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Oct 28 08:54:48 <[g2]> ka6sox yeah very GL with the surgery, I hope it's not anything big
Oct 28 10:17:03 <mithro> anyone know a good cheap FP processor?
Oct 28 10:17:24 <lennert> mithro: like, you mean, an athlon?
Oct 28 10:17:30 <lennert> mithro: what do you mean with 'FP processor'?
Oct 28 10:17:53 <mithro> a processor which does Floating Point
Oct 28 10:18:59 <mithro> thinking more DSP style
Oct 28 10:19:41 <lennert> oh.. dunno then
Oct 28 10:20:59 <mithro> actually i need something like a GPU which I can pull stuff out of easy enough
Oct 28 20:05:19 <lightbulb> anyone got their ears on?  :)
Oct 28 20:08:25 <[g2]> hey
Oct 28 20:08:35 <[g2]> hitek146_ welcome
Oct 28 20:08:52 <[g2]> a bunch of the guys are in Europe
Oct 28 20:10:27 <lightbulb> so a lot of people asleep!
Oct 28 20:12:05 <[g2]> nod
Oct 28 20:12:33 <[g2]> so who have you been ?
Oct 28 20:12:39 <[g2]> s/who/how/
Oct 28 20:13:56 <lightbulb> great actually.  and you?
Oct 28 20:14:29 <[g2]> very good thx
Oct 28 20:14:47 <[g2]> nslu2-linux has been a hell of a great ride
Oct 28 20:15:15 <hitek146_> [g2]: ^^^thanx!
Oct 28 20:15:33 <[g2]> thanks for what ?
Oct 28 20:20:34 <[g2]> hitek146_ what kind of hw do you do ?
Oct 28 20:21:06 <[g2]> we've got a few FPGA programmers in here but could use some more :)
Oct 28 20:25:52 <hitek146_> [g2]: sorry, thanx for the welcome!
Oct 28 20:26:24 <hitek146_> [g2]: to answer your other question, I mostly work with low-level circuitry when I get the chance
Oct 28 20:27:28 <hitek146_> [g2]: because designing higher level circuitry is mostly copying reference designs, and does rely alot on proper firmware, and my programming talent is slightly out of date...
Oct 28 20:28:23 * hitek146_ hasn't coded asm in 15 years...
Oct 28 20:28:25 <[g2]> what do you mean by "low-level circuitry" ? microcode, ?
Oct 28 20:28:49 <hitek146_> [g2]: transistors, gates, and op-amps... :)
Oct 28 20:29:05 <[g2]> analog circuitry
Oct 28 20:29:22 <hitek146_> no, really I hate analog, it was just an example of the level of design...
Oct 28 20:29:24 <[g2]> rf or mixed-signal
Oct 28 20:29:30 <ka6sox-office> mmmmm analog yum!
Oct 28 20:29:37 <hitek146_> I do design microprocessor circuits, but it is boring...
Oct 28 20:29:55 <[g2]> floor planning and layout
Oct 28 20:30:15 <[g2]> at the gate level
Oct 28 20:30:23 * hitek146_ doesn't ever want to try to calculate capacitance of a PCB trace, ever again... :)
Oct 28 20:30:43 <hitek146_> [g2]: yea....
Oct 28 20:31:34 <[g2]> yeah but you've gotta deal with reflections when your signals go off chip
Oct 28 20:32:20 <hitek146_> [g2]: only at high frequencies in digital circuitry, and decoupling capacitors carefully placed help out alot here..
Oct 28 20:33:05 <[g2]> hitek146_ neat so you might actually do the on-chip portion of the JTAG :)
Oct 28 20:33:32 * hitek146_ has actually just started experimenting with JTAG in the last few months...
Oct 28 20:34:49 <hitek146_> I tried to decipher the JTAG connector on the Netgear WGT634U board, and had some luck, but it seems their PCB layout placed the TRST signal in some unlocatable location..
Oct 28 20:35:26 <[g2]> well you in the right spot then
Oct 28 20:35:34 <[g2]> you're
Oct 28 20:36:05 * hitek146_ didn't know this channel existed until now... :)
Oct 28 20:36:19 <[g2]> what's the processor on the WGT634U?
Oct 28 20:36:46 <hitek146_> It's a BCM5364, and it is very fast...
Oct 28 20:37:04 <hitek146_> MIPS, Little Endian..
Oct 28 20:37:14 <[g2]> 64 bit ?
Oct 28 20:37:18 <ka6sox-office> BCM == Broadcom
Oct 28 20:37:32 <[g2]> aka "the devil" ;)
Oct 28 20:37:46 <hitek146_> yea, Broadcom...  I think it's a 32 bit processor...
Oct 28 20:37:46 <ka6sox-office> give them your firstborn under NDA
Oct 28 20:37:54 <ka6sox-office> 32bit mipsel
Oct 28 20:38:01 <hitek146_> Yea, that's the prob... no sources for specs...
Oct 28 20:38:15 <ka6sox-office> welcome to broadcom.
Oct 28 20:38:24 <hitek146_> no new news here... :D
Oct 28 20:38:41 <[g2]> yeah that's something sweet about the Intel processor
Oct 28 20:38:45 <hitek146_> Same thing(unrelated) when I try to get specs from Atheros...
Oct 28 20:38:57 <[g2]> just download the BSDL file and read about the commands
Oct 28 20:39:03 <hitek146_> Atheros SBC...
Oct 28 20:39:14 <ka6sox-office> Atheros! w00t
Oct 28 20:39:29 <[g2]> I've got 2 to 4 miniPCI slots on my board
Oct 28 20:39:31 <hitek146_> Yea, great, if we could get good docs...
Oct 28 20:39:39 <[g2]> I'm bringing up some CM9s now
Oct 28 20:39:55 <ka6sox-office> hitek146_, they have an opensource driver already
Oct 28 20:39:56 <hitek146_> Well, with an arbiter, you can get as many slots as you want, if you want to design an adapter.
Oct 28 20:40:17 * ka6sox-office writes bus arbiters in VHDL
Oct 28 20:40:32 <hitek146_> yea, but atheros still uses closed HAL....
Oct 28 20:40:38 <[g2]> hitek146_  http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/hw-4533
Oct 28 20:40:56 <hitek146_> hardware bus arbiter...
Oct 28 20:41:42 <hitek146_> [g2]: yea, I checked it out already, and looks good...
Oct 28 20:42:13 <[g2]> I didn't know if I gave you the link to the pics
Oct 28 20:42:29 <[g2]> that's not a public link
Oct 28 20:42:41 * hitek146_ double checks...
Oct 28 20:43:37 <hitek146_> Nice..
Oct 28 20:43:38 <hitek146_> but..
Oct 28 20:43:41 <hitek146_> :)
Oct 28 20:43:44 <hitek146_> Intel...
Oct 28 20:43:55 <hitek146_> how expensive?
Oct 28 20:44:12 <ka6sox-office> [g2] what is the connector on the backside near the Serial Cable?
Oct 28 20:44:34 <hitek146_> integrated NAND memory, or depends on CF?
Oct 28 20:44:36 <[g2]> $269
Oct 28 20:44:53 <[g2]> there will probably be 8MB NOR
Oct 28 20:45:28 <[g2]> but you really only need like 1.5MB for the bootloader and kernel
Oct 28 20:45:49 <[g2]> the kernel doesn't need to be there either
Oct 28 20:45:59 <[g2]> I currently boot from a microdrive
Oct 28 20:46:25 * ka6sox-office waits until orders are being taken.
Oct 28 20:46:31 <[g2]> and Redboot loads the kernel from /boot/zImage in an ext2 partition on the microdrive
Oct 28 20:46:48 <[g2]> very soon
Oct 28 20:47:03 <hitek146_> hmm... looks good, but there are competitors in that price range...
Oct 28 20:47:30 <hitek146_> I have ideas for a 4 MiniPCI slot MIPS board, for about $100...
Oct 28 20:47:36 <hitek146_> Just no time... :)
Oct 28 20:47:55 <ka6sox-office> I'm working on a 8241 board with 2 miniPCI
Oct 28 20:48:03 <hitek146_> BOM only adds up to about $45 US ....
Oct 28 20:48:17 <[g2]> doesn't PC Engines make the WRAP boards that are Mips ?
Oct 28 20:48:28 <ka6sox-office> I think so
Oct 28 20:48:41 <hitek146_> WRAP=i386, AFAIK
Oct 28 20:48:53 <hitek146_> something new?
Oct 28 20:50:02 <[g2]> hitek146_ what kinda volume are you thinking with a $45 BOM ?
Oct 28 20:51:02 <hitek146_> LOL... I wasn't, that's why I haven't done it... :)
Oct 28 20:51:16 <hitek146_> Oh... sorry misunderstood
Oct 28 20:51:30 <hitek146_> for $45 BOM, Qty 1000....
Oct 28 20:52:08 <[g2]> well I'd love to see the BOM :)
Oct 28 20:52:46 <hitek146_> It's just an estimate, as I was having a difficult time obtaining actual numbers for some parts
Oct 28 20:53:26 <[g2]> yeah there's the theory and practice thing
Oct 28 20:53:42 <[g2]> some ppl think they are the same and some don't :)
Oct 28 20:53:45 <ka6sox-office> 266mhz Geode 128MB ram 2 miniPCI + CF $140 USD
Oct 28 20:53:51 <hitek146_> like I said, SoC systems typically require nothing more than a slightly modified reference design, so BOM would be very close to the mfg's own
Oct 28 20:54:01 <ka6sox-office> yep
Oct 28 20:54:05 <ka6sox-office> like the 8241
Oct 28 20:54:54 <[g2]> I don't think the 266Mhz Geode holds a candle to the 533Mhz IXP
Oct 28 20:55:04 <ka6sox-office> of course not
Oct 28 20:55:20 <ka6sox-office> is the $269 with 128MB of RAM?
Oct 28 20:55:22 <ka6sox-office> :)
Oct 28 20:55:26 <hitek146_> the fact is, in qty, the PCB only cost $10-$15.. and CPU about $20, plus $4 for NAND, another $4 for MiniPCI slots, and ? for glue components...
Oct 28 20:56:04 <hitek146_> and, given, those prices would require oriental sourcing...
Oct 28 20:56:20 <ka6sox-office> o0oohyeah
Oct 28 20:56:21 <[g2]> right and compliance cost $5-10 and the cases cost $20-50
Oct 28 20:56:36 <hitek146_> cases?!?!? :)
Oct 28 20:57:03 <[g2]> yeah I'm selling an SBC with a metal case and it's complied
Oct 28 20:57:08 <[g2]> FCC/CE etc..
Oct 28 20:57:41 <hitek146_> Don't get me wrong, when I designed laptops for TI, I got all the fill of FCC certs that I could handle...
Oct 28 20:57:46 <[g2]> unless you dad's an injection mold guy
Oct 28 20:57:51 <hitek146_> this would be for commercial use only...
Oct 28 20:58:03 <hitek146_> you can injection mold for $800...
Oct 28 20:58:19 <hitek146_> not counting dies, of course..
Oct 28 20:59:18 <hitek146_> and I mean $800 to own you own injection molding equipment
Oct 28 20:59:26 <hitek146_> s/own/build  :)
Oct 28 20:59:56 <[g2]> and you make your own die ?
Oct 28 21:00:10 <hitek146_> If you build your own milling machine...
Oct 28 21:00:47 <[g2]> the question to me is what does it cost to do 500-1000 cases
Oct 28 21:01:22 <hitek146_> Also, in Mexico, you can get plastic cases molded and finished(limited finishing) for ~$3 ea. after tooling of $1-$2K
Oct 28 21:02:28 <[g2]> that sounds very reasonable
Oct 28 21:02:32 <hitek146_> I won't argue, it's hard to do "big mfg" type stuff by yourself...
Oct 28 21:03:19 <[g2]> oh I think there are much more savvy ways to do stuff
Oct 28 21:03:39 <hitek146_> I've got a friend that runs a big time production company making centrifugal type plastics off of a rig he built from a differential from an automobile..
Oct 28 21:03:46 <[g2]> but there's a lot of diferent things to put together
Oct 28 21:03:58 <hitek146_> always alot... I know... :)
Oct 28 21:04:31 <[g2]> I'm trying to kick-start a little industry that can build open boxes
Oct 28 21:04:41 <[g2]> open embedded boxes
Oct 28 21:04:50 <[g2]> like Soren does with Soekris
Oct 28 21:05:07 <[g2]> and the PC Engines guys do with the WRAP
Oct 28 21:06:19 <hitek146_> the problem is, there are too many SoC boards coming out, with no common interface or standard Mini-PCI slots, instead of alot of the other stuff that is out there, like PC-104
Oct 28 21:07:04 <[g2]> well a big difference is there's a huge community already running sw on this SOC platform
Oct 28 21:07:18 <[g2]> and we've got almost 2 full Debian ports
Oct 28 21:07:32 <[g2]> one official LE and one unofficial BE
Oct 28 21:07:51 <[g2]> not to mention a full distro with 2.5K packages for full-on custom work
Oct 28 21:08:24 <hitek146_> Damn, you guy's have put alot of work into that thing...
Oct 28 21:08:31 <[g2]> I'm working on putting a wireless distro together right now
Oct 28 21:08:57 <hitek146_> You could port OpenWrt
Oct 28 21:09:10 <[g2]> I don't need OpenWRT
Oct 28 21:09:14 <hitek146_> soooooo many packages...
Oct 28 21:09:36 <hitek146_> not to offend... :)
Oct 28 21:09:39 <[g2]> I've been running Debian on the box 6 or 8 weeks
Oct 28 21:09:54 <[g2]> oh... no offence
Oct 28 21:10:22 <[g2]> I've to _tons_ of respect for OpenWRT and [mbm]
Oct 28 21:10:23 <hitek146_> I just personally enjoy using a distro that is support by new packages coming out almost daily....
Oct 28 21:10:42 <hitek146_> s/support/supported
Oct 28 21:10:53 <[g2]> but OpenWRT doesn't hold a candle to OE
Oct 28 21:11:11 <hitek146_> in flexibility, or performance?
Oct 28 21:11:38 <[g2]> certainly flexibility
Oct 28 21:11:43 <[g2]> probably performance
Oct 28 21:12:17 <ka6sox-office> hitek146_, the wrt doesnt' have a disk drive and the NSLU2 and other things do.
Oct 28 21:12:19 <[g2]> [mbm] had looked at switching to OE 6-10 months ago
Oct 28 21:12:24 <ka6sox-office> gives us much more that we can do.
Oct 28 21:12:30 <hitek146_> So I could install an asterisk(for example) package right now, or expect to have one avail soon?
Oct 28 21:12:43 <ka6sox-office> on which hardware?
Oct 28 21:12:49 <[g2]> several ppl have run asterisk on the nslu2
Oct 28 21:12:53 <ka6sox-office> yep
Oct 28 21:13:02 <[g2]> months ago
Oct 28 21:13:11 <hitek146_> So where can I look at the packages avail for your distro?
Oct 28 21:13:14 <ka6sox-office> mithro is instersted in making a USB FXS
Oct 28 21:13:18 <[g2]> ipkg 
Oct 28 21:13:24 <ka6sox-office> ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org
Oct 28 21:14:26 <[g2]> note there are very slight differences between the NSLU2 and my board
Oct 28 21:14:29 <hitek146_> Oh, and OpenWrt supports many things, including standard devices that don't(or wouldn't ever, even) be actually added to a crappy router... :)
Oct 28 21:14:46 <[g2]> but basically it's a kernel/device port and extra expandability
Oct 28 21:14:57 <hitek146_> you are correct...
Oct 28 21:15:24 <[g2]> right we've been doing the same with nslu2-linux
Oct 28 21:15:37 <[g2]> except we've got over 4K ppl on the ml
Oct 28 21:15:41 <[g2]> and over 100+ devs
Oct 28 21:16:02 <ka6sox-office> and 5 distributions under active developemnt
Oct 28 21:16:26 <hitek146_> I was just drawn to the OpenWrt package, because I've always cured those who bloat, and their kernel with basic modules consumes less than 3MB storage...  Can anyone else say that?
Oct 28 21:16:27 <ka6sox-office> 20GB of aggregate traffic per day.
Oct 28 21:16:44 <hitek146_> s/cured/cursed
Oct 28 21:16:59 <[g2]> well the uClibc version runs thumb too
Oct 28 21:17:11 <ka6sox-office> dunno how much space our kernel takes...lemme check
Oct 28 21:17:29 <[g2]> I think the kernel rootfs and all is < 4MB
Oct 28 21:17:45 <hitek146_> sweet!  really?
Oct 28 21:18:04 <[g2]> yeah
Oct 28 21:18:06 <ka6sox-office> yes about 4MB
Oct 28 21:18:11 <[g2]> it might be 4.5
Oct 28 21:18:20 <hitek146_> that's still pretty good...
Oct 28 21:18:25 <[g2]> but we've got 8MB on the nslu2
Oct 28 21:18:26 <ka6sox-office> kernel and modules is just over 3MB
Oct 28 21:18:35 <hitek146_> not bad...
Oct 28 21:18:42 <ka6sox-office> 2.6.12.2
Oct 28 21:18:52 <hitek146_> nice, I do like the new kernel...
Oct 28 21:18:56 <[g2]> and more importantly USB 2.0 host controller
Oct 28 21:19:08 <ka6sox-office> we should have 2.6.14 in the feed tonight.
Oct 28 21:19:11 <[g2]> so plug in a CF or drive
Oct 28 21:20:00 <hitek146_> how long ago did you guys move from 2.4.x, if I may ask without Googling...
Oct 28 21:20:16 <[g2]> depends on the distro
Oct 28 21:20:22 <[g2]> One never moved
Oct 28 21:20:34 <[g2]> One moved 14+ months ago
Oct 28 21:20:45 <hitek146_> So you guys don't have a special distro?
Oct 28 21:20:53 <hitek146_> that would be good...
Oct 28 21:20:54 <[g2]> many
Oct 28 21:21:25 <hitek146_> I mean, one specifically for your hardware, or am I misunderstanding your goal...
Oct 28 21:21:26 <[g2]> The Unslung version stays Linksys compatible and is on the 2.4 kernel and same tool chains for binary comap
Oct 28 21:21:46 <[g2]> The Openslug distro is a full firmware replacment
Oct 28 21:22:13 <[g2]> it's been 2.6 for at least 14-15 months
Oct 28 21:22:20 <[g2]> 2.6.7 was our first
Oct 28 21:22:32 <hitek146_> Hey, you guys are somewhat hardware guys... wanna see the prelim board layout for my MiniUPS?
Oct 28 21:22:43 <ka6sox-office> we are working on 4 different IXP platforms
Oct 28 21:23:34 <ka6sox-office> Linksys NSLU2, Synology DS101, Iomega NAS-100d, Loft
Oct 28 21:24:04 <[g2]> and some non-IXP platforms
Oct 28 21:24:12 <[g2]> that ASUS etc...
Oct 28 21:24:24 <[g2]> all the Optware stuff
Oct 28 21:24:31 <ka6sox-office> ya..and I'm working on the Synology DS101G+
Oct 28 21:24:42 <ka6sox-office> (Freescale 8241
Oct 28 21:24:42 <[g2]> right that's PPC
Oct 28 21:25:07 <ka6sox-office> close to getting 2.6 working on that.
Oct 28 21:25:19 <hitek146_> I guess I still don't have a grasp of your goal(been watching and typing, and haven't read homepage)
Oct 28 21:25:36 <ka6sox-office> www.nslu2-linux.org
Oct 28 21:25:45 <[g2]> doh! beat me to it
Oct 28 21:26:02 <ka6sox-office> that should get you to the homepage and look at the left hand column for the projects that we are working on.
Oct 28 21:26:29 <ka6sox-office> www.debonaras.org is another wiki that isn't as developed but has the goal of that project.
Oct 28 21:26:50 <ka6sox-office> the armeb port of debian is also being worked on by this group as well.
Oct 28 21:27:03 <hitek146_> I guess, if you can spare me much reading in my buzzed state, what is the benefit of your distro over OpenWrt or one of the other Linksys distros?
Oct 28 21:27:29 <ka6sox-office> depends on what hardware you have/want to use
Oct 28 21:27:46 <ka6sox-office> if you want a router that has extended capability then openWRT is the way to go.
Oct 28 21:27:57 <hitek146_> meaning that your distro runs on hardware that the other won't run on?
Oct 28 21:28:23 <ka6sox-office> if you want a small server appliance that has general purpose uses beyond what the manufacturer had in mind then we are your distro(s)
Oct 28 21:28:48 <hitek146_> and better than other, why?
Oct 28 21:28:56 <hitek146_> s/other/others
Oct 28 21:29:03 <[g2]> ka6sox-office the ds101 and Imoega have wifi right ?
Oct 28 21:29:25 <[g2]> and the ASUS box
Oct 28 21:29:30 <ka6sox-office> dunno about the DS101...I have a 101g+ and an iomega (which does)
Oct 28 21:29:37 <ka6sox-office> the asus is a router.
Oct 28 21:29:41 <ka6sox-office> with usb1.1
Oct 28 21:30:33 <ka6sox-office> we support the packages for that box (somebody else does the firmware for that bos)
Oct 28 21:30:35 <hitek146_> I'm using the Netgear WGT634u, a quite powerful machine that I bought 10 of for $300US...
Oct 28 21:30:38 <ka6sox-office> s/bos/box
Oct 28 21:31:35 <hitek146_> USB 2.0... much RAM and Flash...
Oct 28 21:32:23 <ka6sox-office> but a darned Broadcom unit :P
Oct 28 21:32:30 <hitek146_> It is working so perfectly for me using OpenWrt, that it is almost faster than a celeron600 I have running debian, and I ain't joking..
Oct 28 21:32:50 <ka6sox-office> wouldn't want to run X on it however...
Oct 28 21:33:03 <hitek146_> Yea, I know that the BC chipsets are a pain in the ass, but they are cheap and work well....
Oct 28 21:33:12 <ka6sox-office> okay I gotta run home....
Oct 28 21:33:19 <ka6sox-office> c y'all
Oct 28 21:33:24 <[g2]> hitek146_ the Q is what are you really using the box for ?
Oct 28 21:33:27 <hitek146_> later, and thanx for the convo
Oct 28 21:33:37 <[g2]> ka6sox-office catch you later
Oct 28 21:33:57 <[g2]> hitek146_ questions like what's our SCP throughput to the box ?
Oct 28 21:34:06 <[g2]> s/our/your/
Oct 28 21:34:25 <hitek146_> Well, the ones I am using everyday are used for wireless clients, but I have put them through many tests... Samba, etc...
Oct 28 21:34:49 <[g2]> right what's hdparm performance
Oct 28 21:34:58 <[g2]> what's Samba performance / NFS etc...
Oct 28 21:35:27 <[g2]> I'm getting over 14MBs with my Loft on the USB 2.0 port
Oct 28 21:35:28 <hitek146_> Oh, I can get 80mbps through the network, which is typical of a 100mbps conn
Oct 28 21:36:49 <hitek146_> That's quite good, and there are some problems with one of the usb*.ko modules that only give me about 11...
Oct 28 21:37:49 <[g2]> so it all comes down to what you are using it for and what your needs are
Oct 28 21:38:05 <[g2]> we've got lots of different options
Oct 28 21:38:11 <[g2]> and many work well
Oct 28 21:38:18 <[g2]> these are all good choices
Oct 28 21:38:37 <hitek146_> I understand... there are 1000 distros for diff stuff, but I have yet to see one with so many packages available for simple user use..
Oct 28 21:39:02 <[g2]> well you haven't seen nslu2-linux :)
Oct 28 21:39:04 <hitek146_> I know we can compile our own, but I was looking for some distro that could be adapted to my board
Oct 28 21:39:25 <hitek146_> that already has many, many packages available for it, with a huge support force in place
Oct 28 21:39:38 <hitek146_> s/support/contributor
Oct 28 21:39:52 <[g2]> right that's nslu2-inux
Oct 28 21:39:54 <[g2]> linux
Oct 28 21:40:41 <[g2]> many, many is a relative term
Oct 28 21:40:53 <[g2]> I don't think OpenWRT has more the 200-300 packages
Oct 28 21:41:15 <[g2]> but things have probably changed alot in the last year
Oct 28 21:42:10 <hitek146_> exactly...
Oct 28 21:42:22 <hitek146_> 300+ packages...
Oct 28 21:42:43 <[g2]> well that's a far cry from 3K or 13K+
Oct 28 21:44:36 <hitek146_> didn't have a chance to look, but are you telling me(to sum it up) that you have a distro for inexpensive router(or whatever) platforms that already has 3K+ packages ported to it?
Oct 28 21:45:30 <hitek146_> Are you the end to OpenWrt? :)
Oct 28 21:46:13 <[g2]> I'm saying I've to 2 distros. One Debian based that's got 13K+ packages
Oct 28 21:46:29 <[g2]> and another that's OE based which has Ks
Oct 28 21:46:36 <ByronT> I thought there were less than a 1000 packages left
Oct 28 21:46:46 <[g2]> ok 13.5K
Oct 28 21:46:54 <ByronT> :)
Oct 28 21:47:14 <hitek146_> here is my prelim layout for my MiniUPS circuit, btw:
Oct 28 21:47:39 <hitek146_> www.xceltechnical.com/images/miniups.jpg
Oct 28 21:48:58 <hitek146_> It's PoE, and will currently work between 10 and 24 Volts, but could be more with sm changes
Oct 28 21:49:42 <hitek146_> also supports connection(if you didn't hear me in #openwrt) to a serial port for UPS reporting
Oct 28 21:50:45 <hitek146_> I know it is way to simple, but that is the good part...
Oct 28 21:51:25 <hitek146_> btw, the P1 and P2 connectors get a Cat5 pigtail soldered to them...
Oct 28 21:57:07 <hitek146_> silence? :)
Oct 28 21:57:42 <[g2]> hitek146_ I've been scrolling though the OpenWRT package list
Oct 28 21:58:04 <[g2]> I'm more an embedded sw guy than hw guy
Oct 28 21:59:14 <hitek146_> ahh...  out of curiosity, what differences do you notice in the OpenWrt package list?
Oct 28 21:59:29 <[g2]> dyoung-away Tiersten ka6sox-office ep1220 are more the hw types
Oct 28 21:59:37 <hitek146_> I'd still like you to look it over, and tell me what you think
Oct 28 22:02:55 <[g2]> well J1 is the ethernet connection right ?
Oct 28 22:03:01 <[g2]> some of the pins are shorted
Oct 28 22:03:19 <[g2]> or it could just be the way the drawing looks
Oct 28 22:05:03 <hitek146_> well, that depends on what you mean by shorted... the two middle pins(4 and 5) and the two last pins(7,8) are connected to each other, because they supply the power for PoE...
Oct 28 22:05:31 <hitek146_> Is that what you meant, or did you see something else, because a second look is really why I was asking..
Oct 28 22:06:15 <[g2]> yeah it looks like 4-5 and 7-8 when numbering from bottom left to top right
Oct 28 22:07:01 <hitek146_> J1 = Ethernet PoE Input....   P1, P2=ethernet/UPS power out.....   J2 = UPS serial connection
Oct 28 22:07:09 <hitek146_> B1 = Battery... :)
Oct 28 22:07:23 <[g2]> C1 cap
Oct 28 22:07:33 <[g2]> D1,2 diodes
Oct 28 22:07:40 <hitek146_> your catching on quickly, grasshopper... :)
Oct 28 22:08:13 <[g2]> the line from R4 look to be floating between pins 2-3 on P2
Oct 28 22:09:11 <hitek146_> yes it is... good eye... but I put that there... :)
Oct 28 22:09:23 <[g2]> the stenciling is wrong for D1 as there are 2
Oct 28 22:10:09 <hitek146_> now that's! what I was hoping for.... an undrunken opinion... :D
Oct 28 22:10:34 <[g2]> I'd guess U1 is a 232 or 3232
Oct 28 22:12:07 <hitek146_> opti
Oct 28 22:12:23 <hitek146_> opto-isolator
Oct 28 22:12:46 <[g2]> I'm not sure where pin 3 from JT ties into P2 
Oct 28 22:13:05 <hitek146_> I'll give you guy's a schematic, if you want, I just don't have one yet...
Oct 28 22:13:59 <[g2]> usually the guys check design first then the layout
Oct 28 22:14:31 <[g2]> but like I said I'm not much for the hw side
Oct 28 22:14:43 <hitek146_> well... haha... Of course I have a schematic, but to be truthful, it is so simple I know it in me head..
Oct 28 22:15:44 <hitek146_> it is just scribbled on paper, and in the engineering software I use, you enter the layout before extruding the schematic...
Oct 28 22:15:57 <hitek146_> sending updated image...
Oct 28 22:17:51 <hitek146_> OK, same link as before, and corrected you previous notice of discrepancy...
Oct 28 22:23:50 <hitek146_> [g2]: ping
Oct 28 22:23:58 <[g2]> ping
Oct 28 22:24:06 <[g2]> I see the LED correction
Oct 28 22:24:31 <hitek146_> hard to fit everyting on a tiny board...
Oct 28 22:24:48 <hitek146_> can anyone use this?
Oct 28 22:24:55 <hitek146_> it's free....  Open!!!
Oct 28 22:25:02 <[g2]> cool
Oct 28 22:25:13 <[g2]> I think the real hw guys will look at it tomorrow
Oct 28 22:25:24 <[g2]> s/tomorrow/later today
Oct 28 22:25:35 <hitek146_> gotcha..
Oct 28 22:25:47 <[g2]> now it's time for me to get some sleep
Oct 28 22:25:56 <hitek146_> it's a very simple design, as simple as it can get
Oct 28 22:26:03 <hitek146_> kewl... me too...
Oct 28 22:26:03 <[g2]> as I'm EST
Oct 28 22:26:09 <hitek146_> CST
Oct 28 22:26:09 <[g2]> well cheers
Oct 28 22:26:15 <[g2]> thx for stopping by
Oct 28 22:26:18 <hitek146_> later 4 u than 4 me...
Oct 28 22:26:25 <[g2]> nod.
Oct 28 22:26:38 <hitek146_> find me on #openwgt if i'm not here....
Oct 28 22:26:51 <[g2]> ok
Oct 28 22:27:01 <[g2]> I'll peek over there for a sec
Oct 28 22:27:10 <hitek146_> s/openwgt/openwrt
Oct 28 22:27:26 <[g2]> I figured :)
Oct 28 22:27:55 <[g2]> well g'nite
Oct 28 22:28:02 <hitek146_> 'nite
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