**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 02:59:57 2006 Jan 26 04:58:47 ka6sox: pong Jan 26 04:59:00 ka6sox: what files? Jan 26 04:59:12 ka6sox: i think my limit is 10MB-ish Jan 26 08:29:43 lennert, the design+ supporting files Jan 26 08:29:58 oh :-/ Jan 26 08:30:00 hm Jan 26 08:30:06 can you put it online somewhere and msg me the url? Jan 26 08:30:17 me too :) Jan 26 08:31:37 g2_lap_: seems like GDB is planning to do something similar to what you suggested yesterday (if i really understood what you want) Jan 26 08:32:46 a "target available features interface" Jan 26 08:38:53 vmaster is that in the GDB roadmap or something ? Jan 26 08:39:17 on the gdb mailing list Jan 26 08:39:55 http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb/2006-01/msg00257.html Jan 26 08:41:21 and that's the may posting daniel is refering to: http://sourceware.org/ml/gdb/2005-05/msg00171.html Jan 26 08:44:42 nod. it does Jan 26 08:44:55 vmaster thx for noticing and the urls! Jan 26 08:50:39 g2_lap_: is your loft already being sold? the website seems a bit outdated Jan 26 08:54:25 vmaster yes it is Jan 26 08:54:41 it is being sold and the website is out of date Jan 26 09:41:19 a lot of mail boxes only allow for a 1mb file limit per email Jan 26 11:23:55 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=606 Jan 26 11:24:03 any of you guys seen that? Jan 26 11:24:09 its suppose to be from olimex Jan 26 11:27:24 yes, it's from olimex Jan 26 11:28:00 and it uses a ftdi ft232 (not 2232) Jan 26 11:28:52 interesting Jan 26 11:28:59 not really sure how the msp430 jtag works Jan 26 11:29:19 but i suspect they're only shifting data in Jan 26 11:30:02 hmm Jan 26 11:30:09 i thought about ordering one Jan 26 11:31:43 vmaster: i assume it would be the BM chip right? Jan 26 11:32:23 yeah Jan 26 11:34:24 interesting, i can't imagin how they have that working Jan 26 11:37:15 just checking that... Jan 26 11:44:09 there driver packages comes with ftdi's ftd2xx, but i can't find the site where someone mentioned the ft232 Jan 26 11:44:14 *their Jan 26 11:44:26 ahh Jan 26 11:47:14 mhh... their avr usb jtag comes with a ft232bm, maybe i was wrong about the msp430 Jan 26 11:48:07 vmaster: well i ordered a couple of the ftdi ft2232 chips Jan 26 11:48:22 vmaster: was planning to tinker around with them with the jtag stuff Jan 26 11:48:51 vmaster: i've got a dual usb->rs232 adapter with the chip which i've been meaning to document for a conversion Jan 26 11:50:45 mhh... how much was the usb->rs232? the dlp modules aren't that expensive Jan 26 11:53:24 vmaster: $40.00 http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-232FT-1.html Jan 26 11:54:15 hmm looks like they have two new models as well Jan 26 11:57:01 vmaster: i had plans to leave one serial port, but convert the second to jtag Jan 26 11:57:19 ah, ok Jan 26 11:58:18 vmaster: the ft2232 chip uses the same commands as the ft232bm according to ftdi Jan 26 11:58:34 vmaster: so its possible that they are using the ft232bm driver with the ft2232 Jan 26 12:02:14 only the ft2232 has the mpsse Jan 26 12:02:25 and there's only one driver Jan 26 12:02:43 could be that the msp430 usb jtag uses a 2232 Jan 26 12:03:10 yea Jan 26 12:03:28 vmaster: ah i didn't know that the ft2232 has mcu bus emulation Jan 26 12:04:04 you could program nand flash with those Jan 26 12:07:34 jeeze, i should have been hacking on the ft2232 stuff instead of the ez-usb chips Jan 26 12:07:59 yeah Jan 26 12:10:11 ho ho ho - http://www.usbgear.com/USB-8COMi-RM.html Jan 26 12:10:21 how about 4 ft2232 chips in one box Jan 26 12:11:03 hahaha Jan 26 12:11:23 320$ Jan 26 12:11:24 nice Jan 26 12:12:01 hehe Jan 26 12:12:16 think i'll hack up my adapter and see if i can get the jtag working Jan 26 12:47:46 bee in the house Jan 26 12:48:15 yo yo yo. Let's pump up the volume Jan 26 12:48:17 [g2]: guess what I got in the mail toda... Jan 26 12:48:19 O Jan 26 12:48:32 I've not got 1,2,3,4,5,6 jtag emulators. Jan 26 12:48:39 s/not/now/ Jan 26 12:48:40 beewoolie-afk meant: I've now got 1,2,3,4,5,6 jtag emulators. Jan 26 12:49:29 [g2]: Do we have documentation on this one from gateworks? Jan 26 12:49:47 beewoolie-afk: hehe and you have one more on the way Jan 26 12:49:56 Yipee! Jan 26 12:50:10 The cool things is that I'll be able to use all of them. Jan 26 12:50:11 beewoolie-afk: iirc there are shipping next week Jan 26 12:50:18 Excellent. Jan 26 12:50:57 There's bupkas on the Gateworks site about this device even though it claims to be REV C. Jan 26 12:52:25 gateworks? Jan 26 12:52:30 not heard of them Jan 26 12:52:32 url? Jan 26 12:52:38 http://www.gateworks.com/ Jan 26 12:53:46 is this a board or a jtag device? Jan 26 12:55:48 they're working on a parallel port dongle that comes with a S3, iirc Jan 26 12:56:09 might even have jtag on it Jan 26 12:56:15 g2_lap_ mentioned something about it Jan 26 12:56:22 ahh interesting Jan 26 12:58:40 vmaster: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~bhimebau/ftdi_msp/ftdi_msp.html Jan 26 12:59:13 yeah, saw that Jan 26 12:59:49 vmaster: ahh day late and a dollar short Jan 26 13:42:27 prpplague: that hurts. Jan 26 13:43:27 It's an interesting solution because it shrinks everything down to the two chips. Jan 26 14:04:43 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk Not yet. There's a little bad new on the device Jan 26 14:05:02 <[g2]> It's got a CPLD on board not a S3 Jan 26 14:07:30 [g2]: How is that bad? Jan 26 14:08:29 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk as far as adding lots of logic the CPLD doesn't have anywhere near the gate count as the S3 right ? Jan 26 14:08:38 Sure. Jan 26 14:08:44 <[g2]> well I think that's bad Jan 26 14:09:31 <[g2]> clearly, I think these devices will be a nice set up from the parallel port and possibly the USB intf Jan 26 14:09:54 <[g2]> but I'm not sure it'll work very long-term Jan 26 14:12:22 I'm game to make it work. Jan 26 14:12:42 If you can get documentation about their interface, I'll add a driver to my existing codebase. Jan 26 14:13:05 you might want to have a look at this: http://www.amontec.com/jtag_accelerator.shtml Jan 26 14:13:31 the documentation is quite good Jan 26 14:14:41 vmaster: they mention you. Very nice of them. Jan 26 14:15:28 well, my openocd is the only software supporting it right now (others are working on it), and some of the ideas come from me Jan 26 14:15:50 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk cool... I pinged them earlier today Jan 26 14:17:39 vmaster: looks to be very well documented. Jan 26 14:18:25 effective tck rate is about 2mhz on my system, but it all depends on the speed of your parallel port Jan 26 14:18:36 vmaster: I like the fact that it tells you the TAP state instantaneously. Jan 26 14:19:58 vmaster: are you using EPP? Jan 26 14:20:49 yeah Jan 26 14:20:55 an access takes about 1.5us Jan 26 14:22:13 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk can you point me to where you code is hiding ? Jan 26 14:22:39 [g2]: It hasn't been released. I'm still tinkering with it. Jan 26 14:22:58 When I get the Xscale driver working, I'll publish what I've got. Jan 26 14:23:17 It still needs an interface which will probably look a lot like apex. :-) Jan 26 14:36:42 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk I should get docs later today Jan 26 14:37:03 Excellent. Jan 26 14:38:35 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk did you open it up yet ? Jan 26 14:38:44 No. I can. Jan 26 14:38:49 Should I/ Jan 26 14:38:51 ? Jan 26 14:38:56 <[g2]> no need, just wondering Jan 26 14:39:01 :-) Jan 26 14:39:10 I considered it when it came in, but I've been doing other things. Jan 26 14:39:22 <[g2]> There's a Xilinx standard header on there so we could reprogram the CPLD Jan 26 14:39:40 Hey, that could be cool. Jan 26 14:39:46 Is that a jtag header? Jan 26 14:39:52 <[g2]> but of course :) Jan 26 14:39:55 How recursive. Jan 26 14:40:11 <[g2]> nod Jan 26 14:40:23 <[g2]> self modify FPGA code :) Jan 26 14:40:34 Can the existing code be downloaded? Jan 26 14:41:08 <[g2]> no I don't think so Jan 26 14:41:55 <[g2]> They are a little concerned that if everything is available, then ppl could just clone the device etc... Jan 26 14:42:16 that's what I'd expect from the CPLD manufacturer. Jan 26 14:42:20 It's really a good idea. Jan 26 14:42:31 No one would want to put their devices out there. Jan 26 14:43:02 I'm no FPGA hacker, so I'm comfortable just using their firmware for the time being. Jan 26 14:43:22 <[g2]> nod. I'm with you for now Jan 26 14:43:40 <[g2]> having a higher speed device is what I've been looking for Jan 26 14:44:03 <[g2]> I'm gonna put JTAG / Serial on some other XScale devices :) Jan 26 14:49:24 what cpld is on these devices? Jan 26 14:49:51 Guess that means I need to open it up... Jan 26 14:49:59 heh, maybe g2 already knows Jan 26 14:50:43 <[g2]> XC9572XL Jan 26 14:51:02 thx Jan 26 14:51:25 the amontec chameleon has a xcr3128 Jan 26 16:23:14 This indiana U schmatic isn't as interesting as I though. Jan 26 16:24:05 s/though/thought/ Jan 26 16:24:05 beewoolie-afk meant: This indiana U schmatic isn't as interesting as I thought. Jan 26 17:21:09 thanks purl Jan 26 18:43:57 ka6sox-office: will hopefully get the board on monday Jan 26 18:44:03 ka6sox-office: have to do kernel work first, though Jan 26 18:45:38 lennert, cool Jan 26 20:14:24 okay, i'm off to bed Jan 26 20:14:25 g'nite all Jan 26 20:18:21 nite lennert Jan 26 22:45:40 <[g2]> sweet dreams lennert Jan 26 22:45:44 <[g2]> nite all Jan 26 22:46:19 nite [g2] Jan 26 23:23:15 Hmm. Must be no news on the JTAG dongle docs. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 27 03:00:04 2006