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Feb 14 11:48:31 <AchiestDragon> hot air rework station new   55 euros + 40 euro shiping   ebay Item number: 6030752043   new hes got about 90 of them left , but there 230v ones 
Feb 14 11:48:37 <AchiestDragon> just ordred one 
Feb 14 12:22:39 * dyoung-away needs hot air too
Feb 14 12:23:09 <dyoung-away> I'm full of hot air; but that doesnt count...
Feb 14 12:29:06 <AchiestDragon> :)
Feb 14 12:31:27 <dyoung-away> AchiestDragon: I met with ka6sox over the weekend and we spoke at length about the designs.
Feb 14 12:31:36 <dyoung-away> there is a lot of excitement about it!
Feb 14 12:31:43 <AchiestDragon> kool
Feb 14 12:32:03 <dyoung-away> (Its partly my fault that SDR got into his brain.....)
Feb 14 12:32:42 <dyoung-away> You keenly noted that we can easily turn it around.  that will be pretty cool too.
Feb 14 12:32:51 <AchiestDragon> i should be sending the quote request in for the pcb's for the AzTag on thursday
Feb 14 12:33:08 <dyoung-away> that instantly makes it a multi-purpose device.
Feb 14 12:33:38 <AchiestDragon> have you seen the Hat design  im working on atm 
Feb 14 12:33:39 <dyoung-away> Thanks for doing all the hard work.
Feb 14 12:33:50 <dyoung-away> Hmm, Not yet.
Feb 14 12:34:07 <AchiestDragon> np , i need the kit in the end anyway 
Feb 14 12:35:28 <AchiestDragon> the hat ( HsAzTag )   is a pcmcia cardbus version , with a 32bit LA capabilaty and looking at  300mhz sample rate / jtag clock 
Feb 14 12:35:46 <dyoung-away> Aha, is that what its called?
Feb 14 12:35:49 <dyoung-away> yes, I've seen that
Feb 14 12:36:15 <dyoung-away> on that one, is the master DDS Clock going directly to the DDS or through a FPGA/CPLD ?
Feb 14 12:37:13 <AchiestDragon> the clocking options are the dds referance clock and the dds output clock are both avalable to the fpga 
Feb 14 12:37:56 <AchiestDragon> the fpga can then multiply the dds clock for the cpld's if needed
Feb 14 12:38:53 <dyoung-away> I was thinking that if we can clock it from a external source to a high stability clock; then we can drive a external high frequency DDS through the L/A ports turned around as  outputs.
Feb 14 12:39:08 <dyoung-away> that would make a excellent testing tool for another project I'm working on
Feb 14 12:46:21 <AchiestDragon> :) the hat allows for some extra uses , like the 32bit  cpld will opperate in jtag mode , LA mode ( all inputs) and a pio mode ( programable input or output )
Feb 14 12:47:29 <dyoung-away> Yes, its going to be wonderful
Feb 14 12:48:41 <AchiestDragon> still no compleat but for an idea of the functions look at page 8 and 9 http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/pcmcia.pdf 
Feb 14 12:50:56 <AchiestDragon> the 4 cpld's have 16 bits direct data inputs that allow for direct from / to ram burst mode  , ram is 64 bits wide 
Feb 14 12:52:10 <AchiestDragon> there is a alternate 4bit to each cpld data path from the fpga also that will allow for use wihout affecting the ram to fpga data path
Feb 14 12:52:52 <AchiestDragon> and each of the cpld's  drive 8 bits of the 32bit az port 
Feb 14 12:53:44 <AchiestDragon> just working on te fine points of that  section at the moment 
Feb 14 12:53:48 <dyoung-away> It kind of takes me a while to digest drawings like this.
Feb 14 12:54:00 <dyoung-away> but I think I see the basic function
Feb 14 12:54:16 <dyoung-away> direct to ram is your friend
Feb 14 12:54:27 <AchiestDragon> read the text have tryed to descibe it 
Feb 14 13:01:19 <dyoung-away> Yes, thats the only reason I can grasp whats going on. :-)
Feb 14 13:04:00 <AchiestDragon> the big cpld on the pcmcia bus is going to have a jtag port for inital programmingof the unit , the other cpld's and the fpga are programed using the pcmcia bus and that device 
Feb 14 13:04:45 <AchiestDragon> so the pcmcia interface cpld is fixed , and every thing else can be user programmed at any time 
Feb 14 13:05:07 <dyoung-away> yep, therein lies the infinite flexibility.
Feb 14 13:05:11 <dyoung-away> I really like that.
Feb 14 13:05:41 * lennert bends dyoung-away 180 degrees -- are you infinitely flexible too? :P
Feb 14 13:06:17 * dyoung-away 's spine shoots outta his a$$
Feb 14 13:06:28 <lennert> whoops, guess not
Feb 14 13:06:43 <dyoung-away> heh :-)
Feb 14 13:07:04 * lennert puts dyoung-away back together
Feb 14 13:07:29 * dyoung-away makes crackling noises
Feb 14 13:08:12 * lennert adds some superglue to finish the job
Feb 14 13:08:26 * dyoung-away sticks to himself.
Feb 14 14:08:34 <lennert> http://www.cargolaw.com/images/disaster2002.RTG1.GIF
Feb 14 14:08:38 <lennert> that's some K-LINE!
Feb 14 18:39:41 <ka6sox-office> velinp, ping
Feb 14 18:43:57 <ka6sox-office> do you know why velnas isn't building anything?
Feb 14 18:46:19 <ka6sox-office> (or is it and the buildd.net doesn't know it.
Feb 14 19:22:08 <ka6sox-office> morning AD
Feb 14 19:25:44 <velinp> ka6sox, hi; sorry I was too late 
Feb 14 19:25:57 <ka6sox-office> np...still here.
Feb 14 19:26:25 <velinp> velnas has some buildd (sbuild) problem; just rebooted it
Feb 14 19:27:16 <velinp> Feb 14 18:00:32 buildd: Assuming all packages unbuilt and adding to REDO:
Feb 14 19:27:29 <velinp> Feb 14 18:00:32 buildd: sbuild now failed 3 times in a row; going to sleep
Feb 14 19:27:53 <ka6sox-office> ah...
Feb 14 19:29:15 <ka6sox-office> I'm making a copy of the chroots for a backup.
Feb 14 19:29:42 <velinp> help? blinkelichten? (http://unstable.buildd.net/index-armeb.html was  stuck to 09jan for ~5 days; don't know what's going on; ); 
Feb 14 19:32:19 <velinp> I could do that as well, but Yoe is not around, doesn't answer mails ... I think I'll wait next buildd-watcher
Feb 14 19:35:34 <ka6sox-office> k
Feb 14 19:37:42 <velinp> velnas is downloading gcj-... now; if sbuild doesn't abort l then ok; else i give up (and ask Yoe for supprt);  fi
Feb 14 19:37:57 <ka6sox-office> yep...
Feb 14 19:38:19 <ka6sox-office> I'm really trying to get my head wrapped around the buildd system.
Feb 14 19:38:21 <ka6sox-office> not easy...
Feb 14 19:38:54 <velinp> no luck; Feb 14 19:43:54 buildd: sbuild now failed 3 times in a row; going to sleep
Feb 14 19:39:16 <ka6sox-office> yep...need Support!
Feb 14 19:39:21 <ka6sox-office> (email yoe)
Feb 14 19:41:52 <velinp> i will; mailied about bob: autogen_1:5.7.3-1 is _obsolete_; 2006-02-14 19:35:22; devel/autogen_1:5.8.3-1: Building by velnas [optional:uncompiled]; no answer (~ a week now) 
Feb 14 19:42:21 <velinp> sorry; build was really about 10feb
Feb 14 19:47:43 <ka6sox> ah
Feb 14 19:51:55 <velinp> mailing Yoe; cc you; ok?
Feb 14 19:52:52 <ka6sox> please (as I think I'm seeing the same thing)
Feb 14 19:53:52 <ka6sox-office> I believe that is why Bob is stopped.
Feb 14 19:54:35 <velinp> done; ask ij, dwery?
Feb 14 19:55:00 <ka6sox-office> I'm not sure who...I might as ij tonight
Feb 14 19:55:32 <ka6sox-office> s/as/ask
Feb 14 19:55:51 <velinp> k; maybe it's transient? (wanna-build?) 
Feb 14 19:56:22 <velinp> haven't seen aba recently, too 
Feb 14 20:14:16 <ka6sox-office> me neither.
Feb 14 20:14:32 <ka6sox-office> not sure about the transient
Feb 14 20:15:10 <ka6sox-office> this is the 3rd time I've seen this problem( things not being built and the buildd machine sitting idle while buildd.net reports things being built)
Feb 14 20:15:32 <ka6sox-office> your problem and both bob/wendy not building.
Feb 14 20:16:15 <velinp> wendy not doing libsoup  ?
Feb 14 20:16:22 <ka6sox-office> yes it is
Feb 14 20:16:50 <ka6sox-office> its building but before sat idle for 2 weeks while I waited for Wouter to show up (I finally rebooted it)
Feb 14 20:17:30 <lennert> libsoup just finished, i got the build log mailed
Feb 14 20:17:55 <ka6sox-office> k
Feb 14 20:18:25 <ka6sox-office> I guess I'm going to have to monitor the system and manage it myself.
Feb 14 20:18:31 <ka6sox-office> :(
Feb 14 20:20:02 <velinp> lennert:hi; know something about ${backlog} ?
Feb 14 20:22:37 <lennert> ${backlog} ?
Feb 14 20:23:57 <velinp> ka6sox and were discussing about velnas idling; ka6sox said he's seen it on bob & wendy; i see 'Feb 14 19:43:54 buildd: sbuild now failed 3 times in a row; going to sleep'
Feb 14 20:24:04 <lennert> yeah, i read that, i've been around
Feb 14 20:24:09 <lennert> not sure what's up with the sbuild stuff
Feb 14 20:24:25 <lennert> i don't really get involved with the buildd boxes for fear of 'contaminating' them with my non-DD-ness
Feb 14 20:25:24 <velinp> so we simple folks just wait (: ?
Feb 14 20:25:37 <lennert> yeah :-/
Feb 14 20:25:46 <lennert> us, peasants
Feb 14 20:25:56 <lennert> people from the village
Feb 14 20:26:24 <velinp> ka6sox, lennert: not a problem with me, but i prefer armeb going faster :)
Feb 14 20:26:30 <lennert> me too :-/
Feb 14 20:26:35 <ka6sox-office> me three!
Feb 15 00:48:31 <beewoolie-afk> ~seen epa1220
Feb 15 00:48:41 <purl> beewoolie-afk: i haven't seen 'epa1220'
Feb 15 00:53:06 <ka6sox-office> ~seen ep1220
Feb 15 00:53:09 <purl> ep1220 <n=NN@gate.epatec.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 32d 4h 31m 23s ago, saying: ' I checked the logs at rikers.org but the last days seem quite incomplete.'.
Feb 15 00:54:21 <beewoolie-afk> ka6sox-office: thanks
Feb 15 00:54:41 <beewoolie-afk> I am having only limited success with the FTDI protocol.
Feb 15 00:54:53 <beewoolie-afk> I was hoping that ep1220 has some insights
Feb 15 00:55:47 <beewoolie-afk> ~seen vmaster
Feb 15 00:55:49 <purl> vmaster is currently on #openjtag (10h 9m 4s), last said: 'they're independent, and don't have to be clocked at the jtag clock rate'.
Feb 15 00:56:00 <beewoolie-afk> vmaster: ping?
Feb 15 02:56:56 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk ping
Feb 15 02:57:07 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: hey
Feb 15 02:57:11 <[g2]> howdy
Feb 15 02:57:13 <beewoolie-afk> There's a typo in the GW docs.
Feb 15 02:57:25 <[g2]> there's more than one :)
Feb 15 02:57:28 <beewoolie-afk> Page 4 shows the TCLK signal twice.
Feb 15 02:57:47 <beewoolie-afk> I'm assuming that those signals are in the same order as they're found on the 20 pin header.
Feb 15 02:57:57 <beewoolie-afk> I just finished making an adapter.
Feb 15 02:58:13 <beewoolie-afk> What other typos are there?  Is there a revised document?
Feb 15 02:58:15 <[g2]> way cool
Feb 15 02:58:33 <[g2]> no I'm sure we can get updates etc...
Feb 15 02:58:40 <[g2]> but we should take this offline
Feb 15 06:05:21 <vmaster> beewoolie-afk: pong
Feb 15 06:06:20 <ka6sox> he he
Feb 15 06:06:44 <ka6sox> vmaster: are you using webpack 8.1 yet?
Feb 15 06:13:10 <vmaster> i've installed it, but haven't done anything with it yet
Feb 15 06:13:24 <ka6sox> k
Feb 15 06:13:35 <ka6sox> does it take any different deps?
Feb 15 06:15:03 <vmaster> you don't need that openmotif crap anymore
Feb 15 06:15:07 <vmaster> no more wind/u
Feb 15 06:15:14 <vmaster> it's all native linux/qt
Feb 15 06:15:43 <ka6sox> okay so if I have kde I should be okay.
Feb 15 06:16:02 <vmaster> you probably don't even need that, as it comes with its own qt libs
Feb 15 06:16:32 <ka6sox> k
Feb 15 06:17:57 <ka6sox> this is good news.
Feb 15 06:28:33 <ka6sox> oops...client crashed
Feb 15 06:30:15 <ka6sox> AchiestDragon, you awake?
Feb 15 06:32:32 <ka6sox> I think that I have the flare ucf finished 
Feb 15 06:32:42 <ka6sox> are we going to have different pinouts for the HAT module?
Feb 15 06:32:57 <[g2]> hey beewoolie-afk still up ?
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