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Apr 22 10:20:00 <vmaster_> key2: regarding your discussion with prpplague last night:
Apr 22 10:20:16 <vmaster_> in his case, region[] and region* are totally different
Apr 22 10:21:20 <vmaster_> region[] declares a flexible-length array, and is defined since ISO-C99
Apr 22 10:21:36 <vmaster_> on gcc 2.95.x he would have to change it to region[0]
Apr 22 10:22:28 <vmaster_> in both cases, the struct looks like this in memory [magic][apex_start][apex_end][env_start][env_end][env_d_size][region.....
Apr 22 10:22:36 <vmaster_> i.e. the region is directly concatenated to the struct
Apr 22 10:59:22 <key2> vmaster: yep
Apr 22 11:02:16 <key2> http://ronwarez.com/catcher/2006-04/29c958c6e9d3d7e729cdc4b0768a3c03.jpg
Apr 22 11:02:18 <key2> lol
Apr 22 17:45:47 <vmaster> prpplague: did you solve your problems with the region[]?
Apr 22 17:46:38 <prpplague> vmaster: yes and no
Apr 22 17:46:59 <prpplague> vmaster: hehe,, apex hasn't been 2.95.3 compatible for awhile
Apr 22 17:47:08 <prpplague> vmaster: but i was just curious about that particular issue
Apr 22 17:47:19 <prpplague> vmaster: using the region[0] does seem to work
Apr 22 17:47:23 <vmaster> heh, not sure if it's a bad thing being 2.95.3 incompatible
Apr 22 17:48:02 <vmaster> yeah... 2.95.3 lacks support for flexible length arrays
Apr 22 17:48:10 <prpplague> vmaster: agreed, it was more of a "driving me nuts not knowing why" kind of thing
Apr 22 17:49:05 <AchiestDragon> seems to think thats the objective of C 
Apr 22 17:49:19 <prpplague> hehe
Apr 22 17:49:44 <prpplague> @$%@$% its hot today
Apr 22 17:50:11 <vmaster> poor you :-P
Apr 22 17:50:25 <vmaster> at least we had three sunny days at ~20C in a row
Apr 22 17:50:33 <prpplague> hehe
Apr 22 17:51:55 <AchiestDragon> a cool 15C here 
Apr 22 17:52:18 <prpplague> vmaster: i never had any formal education in either the hardware or coding, so there are plenty of gaps in my udnerstanding of things
Apr 22 17:53:03 <AchiestDragon> prpplague:  even if you had there is still always gaps 
Apr 22 17:53:34 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: agreed
Apr 22 17:53:57 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: we hired a junior programmer at work, straight out of college
Apr 22 17:54:04 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: takes him forever to get something done
Apr 22 17:54:48 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: hehe, i think he forgets that we are business and time is money, he's too into doing "perfect code"
Apr 22 17:55:27 <prpplague> just imho
Apr 22 17:56:07 <prpplague> btw, if anyone is interested the arm720t based pixter multimedia is now selling for around $35 , even on ebay
Apr 22 17:57:28 <AchiestDragon> yes , i started codeing using assembly , and i think if you do it that way you learn more about the system your programming and get to learn tricks that make the code compact
Apr 22 17:57:59 <AchiestDragon> rather than have it include a full maths lib  just so you can add 2 numbers 
Apr 22 17:58:22 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: my first language was BASIC, so i'm just screwed 
Apr 22 17:58:43 <AchiestDragon> its amazing what you can do in 1k in assembly 
Apr 22 17:58:57 <prpplague> hehe yea
Apr 22 17:59:15 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: funny thing is i hear alot of people complain about arm asm, but i love it
Apr 22 17:59:29 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: i find it very logical
Apr 22 18:00:57 <AchiestDragon> asm on risc cpus can have some odd rules , but understanding why can let you write verry efficiant and small code 
Apr 22 18:01:33 <prpplague> i have got sooooo much work to do to apex
Apr 22 18:02:46 <AchiestDragon> personaly i find C++ a pain , it never cut the mark and the sintax structure got overly complex , C was ok untill then 
Apr 22 18:03:31 <prpplague> i still have some problems with OO
Apr 22 18:03:33 <prpplague> stuff
Apr 22 18:03:49 <AchiestDragon> i can read and  understand most c and c++ code  but find it dificult to write code in it 
Apr 22 18:04:39 <AchiestDragon> i find writing in python easyer , and it seems just as effective 
Apr 22 18:05:05 <prpplague> hehe
Apr 22 18:05:55 <prpplague> AchiestDragon: i've been hacking and tweaking kernel code for years now, but i'm just now feel comfortable to writing kernel drivers from scratch
Apr 22 18:06:18 <AchiestDragon> kool
Apr 22 18:06:21 <AchiestDragon> bbl 
Apr 22 18:07:02 <AchiestDragon> prgram just starting on tv ,,, dr who   compulsary tv viewing 
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