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Mar 06 19:34:46 <flyback> http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Storage/hdd_station/blacx/blacx.asp <-- I like this
Mar 06 19:36:13 <sn9> flyback: i've seen that before -- ick
Mar 06 19:36:36 <sn9> serious waste of space
Mar 06 19:37:28 <sn9> i have a $20 dongle that plugs directly onto the drive and does the same thing
Mar 06 19:37:47 <flyback> dude
Mar 06 19:38:02 <flyback> for computer consultants that need to pull data or image a lot of drives
Mar 06 19:38:05 <flyback> this is awesome
Mar 06 19:38:08 <flyback> YOU STUPID CANUCKS
Mar 06 19:38:10 <flyback> YOU STUPID CANUCK
Mar 06 19:41:49 <sn9> flyback: this is awsomer: http://www.wiebetech.com/products/firewiredrivedock.php
Mar 06 19:42:03 <flyback> dude
Mar 06 19:42:06 <flyback> firewire is fucked
Mar 06 19:42:13 <sn9> it has usb2 too
Mar 06 19:42:15 <flyback> I am going to disable the port for good on many customer machines
Mar 06 19:42:19 <flyback> they fucked up big time
Mar 06 19:42:31 <flyback> firewire dma allows reading and writing of the entire pc memory spacew
Mar 06 19:42:33 <flyback> without limits
Mar 06 19:42:41 <flyback> oh yeah and I told people at work already
Mar 06 19:42:53 <flyback> this is going to shit can blueGAY in the next few days
Mar 06 19:42:54 <flyback> you watch
Mar 06 19:43:09 <flyback> you can own any os with a 50 cent microcontroller
Mar 06 19:43:27 <sn9> CVE link?
Mar 06 19:43:36 <flyback> CVE ?
Mar 06 19:44:15 <sn9> http://cve.mitre.org, you stupid canuck
Mar 06 19:44:30 <flyback> http://www.matasano.com/log/695/windows-remote-memory-access-though-firewire/
Mar 06 19:46:48 <flyback> i'm going to play with this also
Mar 06 19:46:54 <flyback> seems like a nice cheap debugger :)
Mar 06 19:47:12 <sn9> oh, so it's an ohci problem, not firewire-specific
Mar 06 19:48:26 <flyback> oh?
Mar 06 19:48:53 <sn9> that's what it says at your link
Mar 06 19:49:21 <flyback> "all your memory are belongs to us"
Mar 06 19:49:22 <flyback> hahhaaha
Mar 06 19:49:42 <sn9> IOW, half the usb chipsets around are just as vulnerable
Mar 06 19:49:52 <sn9> but i already knew that
Mar 06 19:49:56 <flyback> NO i THINK USB has limits to it's dma range
Mar 06 19:50:06 <sn9> i just never saw it applied to firewire as well
Mar 06 19:50:22 <sn9> ohci is ohci
Mar 06 19:50:41 <sn9> it might be uhci that has limits
Mar 06 19:50:58 <flyback> yeah cause it sux
Mar 06 19:51:12 <sn9> which?
Mar 06 19:51:27 <flyback> uchi
Mar 06 19:51:36 <flyback> that's the intel one that is more sw than hw
Mar 06 19:51:51 <flyback> anyways bbl
Mar 06 19:51:59 * flyback bbl
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