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Sep 03 17:36:23 <prpplague> drath: ping
Sep 03 17:36:29 <prpplague> drath: give me a shout when you can
Sep 03 18:26:37 <drath> hey prpplague 
Sep 03 18:28:16 <prpplague> drath: i know you stay pretty busy these days, but we are starting work on a new jtag device for use with openocd, any interest in having us send you and early rev of the unit?
Sep 03 18:35:13 <drath> yeah, would be great - can you disclose any details already?
Sep 03 18:39:53 <prpplague> yea, let me message you
Sep 03 18:47:42 <prpplague> drath: check your /msg when you have time
Sep 03 21:38:54 <key2> prpplague: you told me there are a lot of sch available with S3C2440, you know where I could find some ?
Sep 03 21:39:22 <prpplague> key2: littlechips.com and the smdk2440 boards are both available for schematics
Sep 03 21:39:38 <key2> thx
Sep 03 21:40:10 <prpplague> iirc the embest boards are available as well - http://www.armkits.com/Product/sbc2440-II.asp
Sep 03 21:40:20 <prpplague> key2: doing a 2440 design?
Sep 03 21:40:53 <key2> yeah
Sep 03 21:41:10 <prpplague> you done bga work before?
Sep 03 21:44:19 <key2> prpplague: well am not gonna solder it myself
Sep 03 21:44:32 <prpplague> key2: i mean the pcb layout
Sep 03 21:44:44 <key2> mmh
Sep 03 21:44:53 <key2> not much, but achiestdragon is helping
Sep 03 21:44:55 <key2> prpplague: why ?
Sep 03 21:45:16 <prpplague> the layout on the s3c2440 is very tight and does require impedence matching 
Sep 03 21:45:28 <prpplague> key2: mind if i ask what you guys are working on?
Sep 03 21:45:41 <prpplague> key2: i might be able to help with some info
Sep 03 21:45:55 <key2> prpplague: doing an IP phone
Sep 03 21:46:05 <key2> prpplague: the shit is that they put all the data line in the middle of the chip
Sep 03 21:46:10 <key2> instead of gnd/vcc
Sep 03 21:46:57 <prpplague> key2: going to do all of the processor/flash/memory one board , or do a module just for the cpu section?
Sep 03 21:47:13 <key2> prpplague: am thinking about one board
Sep 03 21:47:18 <key2> would be cheaper
Sep 03 21:47:58 <prpplague> cheaper for production, but i can tell you from experience, prototype/early revs are going to eat your lunch
Sep 03 21:48:23 <prpplague> key2: have you done a proof-of-concept yet?
Sep 03 21:48:34 <key2> prpplague: is it possible to route it on 4 layers ?
Sep 03 21:48:37 <key2> prpplague: you've done it ?
Sep 03 21:49:05 <key2> prpplague: i tried with one of those: http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-7-TFT-LCD-w-Touch-Panel_W0QQitemZ120300548725QQihZ002QQcategoryZ55824QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Sep 03 21:49:07 <prpplague> key2: not on 4, 6 will be hard, 8 is more likely the middle ground
Sep 03 21:50:05 <prpplague> key2: yea that is a decent board, but it has everything wired up so to speak
Sep 03 21:50:33 <key2> prpplague: the thing is that the dude that made this one made it on 4 layers !!!
Sep 03 21:50:57 <prpplague> yea fairly big board too
Sep 03 21:51:06 <key2> well I have 150x100
Sep 03 21:51:17 <prpplague> i assume thats mm
Sep 03 21:51:30 <key2> yeah
Sep 03 21:51:31 <key2> ;)
Sep 03 21:51:44 <prpplague> that pretty darn big
Sep 03 21:51:52 <prpplague> this is suppose to be a handheld device?
Sep 03 21:51:52 <key2> its for a touchscreen phone
Sep 03 21:51:53 <key2> :)
Sep 03 21:52:01 <key2> desktop ip phone
Sep 03 21:52:02 <key2> ;)
Sep 03 21:52:10 <key2> not a cellphone
Sep 03 21:52:21 <prpplague> ahh not cellphone type
Sep 03 21:52:29 <key2> noo
Sep 03 21:52:33 <key2> a desktop IP phone
Sep 03 21:52:45 <prpplague> what kind of Z space have you got ?
Sep 03 21:52:54 <key2> hat u call Z space ?
Sep 03 21:53:02 <key2> s/hat/what
Sep 03 21:53:16 <prpplague> height
Sep 03 21:53:26 <prpplague> above the pcb
Sep 03 21:53:59 <key2> well the PCB will be right under the touchscreen, and both will be let say at 45deg from the table
Sep 03 21:54:12 <prpplague> ahh
Sep 03 21:54:28 <key2> you have something that is 150mm and 45deg :)
Sep 03 21:55:04 <key2> http://88.191.12.21/phone/IMG_0064.jpg
Sep 03 21:55:46 <prpplague> key2: personal recomendation, take it for you will, if it were mean, i'd find a good s3c2440 cpu board, design the first rev of the board using the module, just leave the area on the pcb where you want to eventually put the cpu/flash/sdram, once you have the i/o completed and working rev the board with the cpu on it
Sep 03 21:55:51 * prpplague looks
Sep 03 21:55:53 <key2> prpplague http://88.191.12.21/phone/IMG_0053.jpg
Sep 03 21:56:17 <prpplague> dandy looking device
Sep 03 21:56:22 <prpplague> gui is really nice
Sep 03 21:56:48 <key2> prpplague: it's using the Winamp rendering engine
Sep 03 21:56:57 <key2> the guy that did winamp is helping...
Sep 03 21:57:01 <prpplague> that neat, i'm more of kernel person soooo
Sep 03 21:57:09 <key2> yeah same here
Sep 03 21:57:29 <prpplague> key2: http://www.armkits.com/Product/SBC2440-III.asp
Sep 03 21:57:39 <prpplague> key2: the same folks that you got your kit from
Sep 03 21:57:47 <prpplague> key2: but the cpu section is on a module
Sep 03 21:58:09 <prpplague> key2: you should really think about using that for the first few revs of the design
Sep 03 21:58:14 <key2> prpplague: http://www.yctek.com/news/view_49.html
Sep 03 21:58:16 <key2> you mean this ?
Sep 03 21:59:08 <prpplague> i can;t read that, but it looks the same
Sep 03 21:59:58 <key2> yctek is the company that makes it
Sep 03 21:59:59 <key2> yeah
Sep 03 22:00:48 <key2> prpplague: is it MII or RMII ?
Sep 03 22:00:51 <key2> for the PHY
Sep 03 22:01:42 <prpplague> sorry don't know the specs that well
Sep 03 22:01:50 <key2> k
Sep 03 22:01:52 <prpplague> for those boards
Sep 03 22:01:57 <prpplague> we generally do our own
Sep 03 22:02:18 <key2> the s3c2440 doenst have a MAC core ?
Sep 03 22:02:23 <prpplague> http://www.elinux.org/M8050
Sep 03 22:02:26 <prpplague> key2: no
Sep 03 22:02:35 <prpplague> key2: no mac or phy
Sep 03 22:02:47 <key2> its your design ?
Sep 03 22:02:57 <prpplague> yea
Sep 03 22:03:01 <prpplague> s3c2440 based
Sep 03 22:03:01 <key2> wow
Sep 03 22:03:05 <key2> not bad :)
Sep 03 22:03:27 <key2> prpplague: its a phone ?
Sep 03 22:03:34 <prpplague> industrial pda
Sep 03 22:04:09 <key2> k
Sep 03 22:04:18 <key2> and you used one of those module for prototyping ? ;)
Sep 03 22:04:45 <prpplague> we designed our own module to assist in prototyping different devices 
Sep 03 22:05:08 <prpplague> http://www.elinux.org/JackHammer_Board
Sep 03 22:05:28 <prpplague> not very good pics, and they don't give you an idea of the size
Sep 03 22:05:54 <prpplague> they are 50x64mm
Sep 03 22:08:36 <prpplague> key2: currently we have 4 devices based on the s3c2440, and another 4 or 5 in the works
Sep 03 22:09:51 <key2> you dont sell those proto board
Sep 03 22:09:53 <key2> do u ? ;)
Sep 03 22:10:38 <prpplague> not currently
Sep 03 22:10:59 <prpplague> there was some discussion about selling them, but i'm not sure where that is at the momment
Sep 03 22:11:37 <key2> k
Sep 03 22:11:46 <prpplague> we have a number of s3c2410 boards that are available, but none of the s3c2440 items
Sep 03 22:12:03 <prpplague> if you want to check with me tomorrow, i'll see if can ask management about them
Sep 03 22:12:07 <key2> well S3C2440 is more worth than 2410
Sep 03 22:12:19 <key2> about S3C2440 ?
Sep 03 22:12:50 <prpplague> yea, i'll ask about the s3c2440 boards
Sep 03 22:12:53 <prpplague> aka M8010
Sep 03 22:12:56 <key2> k
Sep 03 22:12:59 <key2> that would be cool
Sep 03 22:19:24 <key2> http://youtiyou.com/S3C2440.aspx
Sep 03 22:19:28 <key2> same here I think
Sep 03 22:20:02 <key2> http://youtiyou.com/Documents/core2440.pdf
Sep 03 22:21:02 <prpplague> yea pretty close
Sep 03 22:21:10 <prpplague> we are using 80 pin connectors
Sep 03 22:21:16 <prpplague> looks like they are using 84 pin
Sep 03 22:22:11 * prpplague heads home for the day
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