**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 22 02:59:56 2008
Aug 22 03:33:48 <johnsu01> paulproteus: using zhone or something else?
Aug 22 04:31:35 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r096677b2b81c 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/ (__init__.py otimed.py): [otimed] Creation of the subsystem
Aug 22 04:34:48 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc45f168c54d7 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
Aug 22 04:34:48 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: [oeventsd] Added trigger for time change events
Aug 22 04:34:48 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: * Added the Time(hour, minute) trigger in the rule file
Aug 22 04:34:48 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: * Added the Debug(msg) action
Aug 22 05:07:52 <paulproteus> johnsu01, Zhone, ya.
Aug 22 05:10:45 <johnsu01> paulproteus: cool, I was poking around a bit earlier trying to figure out how to import contacts to the zhone phonebook..
Aug 22 05:36:29 <paulproteus> In Zhone! on Debian, how can I put the phone into suspend?
Aug 22 05:41:39 <lindi-> paulproteus: 1) apt-get source zhone 2) grep -r "apm -s" zhone* -B10
Aug 22 05:42:07 * paulproteus grins
Aug 22 05:44:38 <paulproteus> For some reason, mine wasn't suspending when I was holding down power for >1s.
Aug 22 05:44:52 <paulproteus> Nice to see there are logs.
Aug 22 05:44:55 <paulproteus> I'll check 'em out tomorrow.
Aug 22 05:45:42 <lindi-> paulproteus: you forgot to install apm?
Aug 22 05:46:02 <paulproteus> Er, it's not installed by default?  Okay then!
Aug 22 05:46:04 <paulproteus> SO awesome - my phone is fscking.
Aug 22 05:46:07 * paulproteus sighs dreamily
Aug 22 05:46:49 <lindi-> paulproteus: you didn't read install.sh? ;)
Aug 22 05:47:01 <paulproteus> lindi-, Oops, guess not!
Aug 22 05:47:02 <lindi-> paulproteus: anyways, the wiki mentions you probably want to install apmd
Aug 22 05:47:30 <paulproteus> BTW, my mmc clock is set to something crazy small.
Aug 22 05:47:35 <paulproteus> 2.5 Mhz.
Aug 22 05:47:51 <paulproteus> From the default of 16 Mhz.
Aug 22 06:01:46 <aleix> morning
Aug 22 06:02:08 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: ping
Aug 22 07:02:48 <aleix> rwhitby: hi, i've created a simple shell script to check for dpkg-list.txt (not installed and diferent versions)
Aug 22 07:03:08 <aleix> rwhitby: i'm not sure if there is already some debian tool for this...
Aug 22 07:03:16 <aleix> rwhitby: http://hacks-galore.org/aleix/files/scripts/dpkg-check.sh
Aug 22 07:25:35 <dbmoodb> hi ah... debian fso works  great on one sim... but the other its a broken ... can't get the dialing pad or anything... -- any ideas ?
Aug 22 07:25:57 <dbmoodb> rwhitby: one is a optus sim the other a vodafone...
Aug 22 07:26:47 <lindi-> dbmoodb: put output of frameworkd online
Aug 22 07:28:03 <dbmoodb> lindi-: ah .. how ?
Aug 22 07:28:20 <dbmoodb> lindi-: might be a null contact or something else on that sim ?
Aug 22 07:28:41 <lindi-> dbmoodb: stop it and start it so that you can read its stdout
Aug 22 07:29:37 <dbmoodb> lindi-: how ? last time i tried that failed...
Aug 22 07:29:42 <lindi-> dbmoodb: how did it fail?
Aug 22 07:30:08 <dbmoodb> well i stoped the daemons.. want to give me the commands i will try a bit later -- going out quickly
Aug 22 07:31:14 <dbmoodb> because it would be ultra cool to solve the minor problem and then have debian as my phone
Aug 22 07:34:12 <lindi-> dbmoodb: 1) /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop
Aug 22 07:34:19 <lindi-> dbmoodb: 1) /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop
Aug 22 07:35:04 <lindi-> dbmoodb: 2) add 'log_level = DEBUG' to '[ogsmd]' in /etc/frameworkd.conf
Aug 22 07:35:27 <lindi-> dbmoodb: 3) run "frameworkd" and watch the output
Aug 22 07:51:30 <dbmoodb_> lindi-: does gprs work from debian ?
Aug 22 07:55:41 <lindi-> dbmoodb_: just replied to mailing list
Aug 22 08:13:44 <dbmoodb_> lindi-: what ?
Aug 22 08:13:56 <lindi-> dbmoodb_: that it works
Aug 22 08:14:03 <dbmoodb_> oh it works ?
Aug 22 08:14:08 <lindi-> yes
Aug 22 08:14:25 <dbmoodb_> using what kind of config ? manual or does .. diald work ?
Aug 22 08:14:40 <lindi-> see mailing list :P
Aug 22 08:25:06 <dbmoodb_> which mailing list tho rofl
Aug 22 08:34:37 <dbmoodb> ok i added that info the  debian manual discussion page btw -- (debugging info)
Aug 22 08:36:30 <lindi-> dbmoodb: i don't remember which mailing list it was :)
Aug 22 08:46:03 <dbmoodb> lindi-: can one copy / paste on the debian xterm haven't worked out how to do that yet
Aug 22 08:47:01 <dbmoodb> ...just because there isn't any commend out key... (hash #..)
Aug 22 08:51:01 <dbmoodb> mmmm lindi- i dont' have /etc/init.d/framework (rofl)
Aug 22 09:03:49 <dbmoodb> mmm odd works now
Aug 22 09:04:05 <dbmoodb> -- to get to the dialing pad
Aug 22 09:05:32 <dbmoodb> http://pastebin.com/d4c0f1faa
Aug 22 09:06:17 <lindi-> dbmoodb: fso-frameworkd
Aug 22 09:06:41 <lindi-> dbmoodb: yes that error is known and there is a fix
Aug 22 09:06:50 <dbmoodb> lindi-: really ?
Aug 22 09:06:51 <dbmoodb> where
Aug 22 09:06:59 <lindi-> dbmoodb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=frameworkd
Aug 22 09:07:09 <lindi-> i reported it almost a week ago :)
Aug 22 09:07:19 <dbmoodb> ok really ... must have missed it 
Aug 22 09:07:47 <dbmoodb> there is a fix...
Aug 22 09:08:51 <dbmoodb> lindi-: where ? 
Aug 22 09:15:23 <dbmoodb> still... it is odd that debian can't read.. the contacts / past smses no ?
Aug 22 09:19:24 <lindi-> dbmoodb: it's not debian specific
Aug 22 09:19:49 <lindi-> dbmoodb: just edit that assert to allow also type 255 and add a comment about it
Aug 22 09:20:41 <dbmoodb> what ?
Aug 22 09:21:31 <dbmoodb> to allow type 255 ? how does one do that ? ... just odd.... mmm lindi- does one have to reboot to change sims ?
Aug 22 09:22:51 <balrog-kun> pong, abraxa_ 
Aug 22 09:25:50 <lindi-> dbmoodb: do you know C?
Aug 22 09:26:06 <dbmoodb> lindi-: c++
Aug 22 09:26:20 <dbmoodb> so... edit it and recompile or ?
Aug 22 09:26:45 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: oh, i got the mail, will read and respond
Aug 22 09:26:48 <lindi-> dbmoodb: it's in python
Aug 22 09:26:51 <dbmoodb> (knows not that much of c++ but can get by)
Aug 22 09:27:01 <dbmoodb> lindi-: haven't checked the file yet... so
Aug 22 09:27:08 <dbmoodb> ok ...
Aug 22 09:39:29 <TeXitoi> hi
Aug 22 09:39:43 <TeXitoi> do you have apm -s working on debian?
Aug 22 09:40:10 <dbmoodb> not me personally lindi does apparently 
Aug 22 09:40:30 <TeXitoi> after resume, the system die in a fwee minutes here
Aug 22 09:41:10 <dbmoodb> lindi-: can you post your damn things on the wiki / debian pages / google able mailing lists rofl like your going cool and good things but... its hard for some of us to follow
Aug 22 09:41:22 <dbmoodb> + if the bug is solved / fixed it should be marked as such on debian...
Aug 22 09:44:28 <dbmoodb> lindi-: which file do i add support for type 255
Aug 22 09:50:48 <lindi-> dbmoodb: it is not fixed in the package yet
Aug 22 09:50:54 <lindi-> TeXitoi: do not call apm -s directly
Aug 22 09:51:47 <lindi-> dbmoodb: and since it's not debian specific it really should be fixed by the freesmartphone people so that everybody gets it
Aug 22 09:51:55 <lindi-> dbmoodb: sorry if my answers are short, i'm busy :(
Aug 22 09:52:26 <lindi-> dbmoodb: File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py", line 805, in phonebookTupleToNumber
Aug 22 09:52:29 <lindi->     assert ntype in ( 129, 145, 208 ), "unknown type %i" % ntype
Aug 22 09:52:42 <lindi-> dbmoodb: that assert line there dies unless it sees 129, 145 or 208
Aug 22 09:52:56 <dbmoodb> so just add 255 to it ?
Aug 22 09:53:18 <lindi-> dbmoodb: as a workaround at least it should work
Aug 22 10:23:31 <TeXitoi> lindi-: but the power button do not work, it makes python exceptions
Aug 22 10:23:42 <TeXitoi> lindi-: how I should suspend?
Aug 22 10:24:02 <TeXitoi> (I have update-rc.d -f apmd remove)
Aug 22 10:28:01 <lindi-> TeXitoi: can you put the exception online somewhere?
Aug 22 10:28:31 <TeXitoi> Mmm, I was thinking that I should bush the button 2 sec
Aug 22 10:28:39 <TeXitoi> just push suspend
Aug 22 10:30:08 <TeXitoi> but it do not work better than apm -s
Aug 22 10:30:24 <TeXitoi> I reboot another time...
Aug 22 10:30:45 <lindi-> TeXitoi: zhone does more than apm -s
Aug 22 10:30:53 <TeXitoi> after suspend, fork seems to not work
Aug 22 10:31:25 <TeXitoi> lindi-: maybe, but I have the same symptomes with zhone and with apm (s
Aug 22 10:32:40 <lindi-> TeXitoi: fork?
Aug 22 10:32:48 <lindi-> maybe SD broke?
Aug 22 10:32:54 <lindi-> and reading from filesystem fails?
Aug 22 10:34:00 <TeXitoi> lindi-: possible
Aug 22 10:34:21 <TeXitoi> I can't read from fs without forkin in a shell...
Aug 22 10:34:58 <TeXitoi> I've tryed tail -f /var/dmesg before suspend, but I do not have any results
Aug 22 10:35:15 <TeXitoi> And I've tried with another kernel too
Aug 22 10:37:24 <TeXitoi> I have a sandisk 8GB
Aug 22 10:37:35 <lindi-> TeXitoi: sounds like SD issue indeed
Aug 22 10:40:40 <TeXitoi> my system seems dead... no zhone, no keyboard with aux, no usb network :(
Aug 22 10:40:55 <TeXitoi> just X and my matchbox panel...
Aug 22 10:41:52 <dbmoodb> TeXitoi: i have the same thing --- 8gb scandisk ... old u-boot / stock u-boot
Aug 22 10:42:17 <dbmoodb> TeXitoi: i think the test is if it can wake up from a phone call and if the x and matchbox rings :)
Aug 22 10:42:49 <TeXitoi> dbmoodb: I have latest uboot
Aug 22 10:43:18 <dbmoodb> ah.... will grab id soon
Aug 22 10:44:02 <dbmoodb> mmm how do you turn fso off nicely without issuing a halt ?
Aug 22 10:45:20 <lindi-> /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop?
Aug 22 10:48:47 <TeXitoi> lindi-: if it is a sd card pb, I have no way to resolv it?
Aug 22 10:49:34 <TeXitoi> lindi-: and does the kernel or uboot in falt?
Aug 22 10:50:43 <dbmoodb> TeXitoi: mmm perhaps our cards are slow and ... there should be a wait / sleep introduced before reading from them again ?
Aug 22 10:51:07 <TeXitoi> dbmoodb: I had the "slow" card problem
Aug 22 10:51:11 <lindi-> TeXitoi: i don't know about hardware much :/
Aug 22 10:51:16 <TeXitoi> it do not append like that
Aug 22 10:51:23 <TeXitoi> lindi-: ok ;-)
Aug 22 10:52:11 <TeXitoi> just that the filesystem switch ro with errors in dmesg
Aug 22 11:23:56 <dbmoodb> ah mm lindi- that work around caused other problems...
Aug 22 12:18:14 <lindi-> dbmoodb: more assertion error?
Aug 22 12:36:29 <TeXitoi> yeah, found the bug!
Aug 22 12:36:43 <TeXitoi> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1799
Aug 22 12:37:21 <TeXitoi> thus, when I suspend and reload, debian can't find the root partition, and every programs, including mount...
Aug 22 12:37:59 <TeXitoi> so, thanks lindi- to give me the direction ;-)
Aug 22 12:38:17 <lindi-> TeXitoi: very useful feature, that
Aug 22 13:56:52 <dbmoodb> lindi-: wait no... perhaps it was just me.. i thought it doubled my contacts perhaps it didn't
Aug 22 13:56:58 <dbmoodb> that was the only error
Aug 22 13:57:05 <dbmoodb> lindi-: where is your mailing list post / what list for gprs ?
Aug 22 14:01:20 <lindi-> dbmoodb: the post is quite short :) 'See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO'
Aug 22 14:01:49 <lindi-> dbmoodb: if it duplicates your contacts you should also report that to bugs.debian.ogr
Aug 22 14:01:51 <dbmoodb> ah ?
Aug 22 14:02:12 <dbmoodb> ooo
Aug 22 14:02:27 <dbmoodb> but does it work on debian...
Aug 22 14:02:38 <lindi-> dbmoodb: yes
Aug 22 14:03:00 <dbmoodb> :)
Aug 22 14:03:07 <dbmoodb> will test
Aug 22 14:14:52 <dbmoodb> ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.IOError
Aug 22 14:14:57 <dbmoodb> is that meant to happen ?
Aug 22 14:17:23 <dbmoodb> (thinks its my fault)
Aug 22 14:18:15 <lindi-> yeah somebody reported that to mailing list too
Aug 22 14:18:57 <dbmoodb> and there is now only /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext -> 
Aug 22 14:19:03 <dbmoodb> had to install ppp
Aug 22 14:19:12 <dbmoodb> lindi-: what packages did you install to get it working ?
Aug 22 14:19:40 <lindi-> ppp
Aug 22 14:19:53 <dbmoodb> i have that.. i think
Aug 22 14:20:24 <dbmoodb> yeah i have that...
Aug 22 14:20:33 <dbmoodb> well its only the activecontex that is wrong now..
Aug 22 14:22:58 <dbmoodb> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: DeactivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.PDP.NotFound
Aug 22 14:23:01 <dbmoodb> on disconect tho
Aug 22 14:25:03 <dbmoodb> ah so where do i find that file ?
Aug 22 14:26:28 <lindi-> dbmoodb: what file?
Aug 22 14:26:45 <dbmoodb>  ... well what does that refer too... want to see what is good wrong.. there
Aug 22 14:27:17 <lindi-> dbmoodb: it dose not refer to a file
Aug 22 14:27:46 <dbmoodb> so... what does it refer to ... i'm trying to follow what that does ... the script so i can find where it breaks
Aug 22 14:27:50 <lindi-> dbmoodb: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device path to a dbus object
Aug 22 14:28:03 <lindi-> +is
Aug 22 14:28:27 <dbmoodb> ok ... but it refers somewhere to some instructions of what to do yeah ?
Aug 22 14:31:42 <lindi-> dbmoodb: it sends a message over dbus to frameworkd
Aug 22 14:32:03 <dbmoodb> which connects ... with a set of instructions located...
Aug 22 14:32:14 <lindi-> in the source code of frameworkd :)
Aug 22 14:33:32 <dbmoodb> oh ...
Aug 22 14:33:50 <dbmoodb> well ... it works for you ? and you have ppp and you run that script ?
Aug 22 14:34:04 <lindi-> yes
Aug 22 14:34:36 <dbmoodb> mmm ... so why does it fail here ?
Aug 22 14:36:15 <dbmoodb> should i stop gsmd first or .... the framework thing ?
Aug 22 14:36:26 <lindi-> you shouldn't be running gsmd at all
Aug 22 14:36:32 <lindi-> it's not even in debian
Aug 22 14:36:57 <lindi-> probably next step is to configure frameworkd to log more
Aug 22 14:37:23 <dbmoodb> that is a good point ... ah sure ?
Aug 22 14:37:24 <lindi-> dbmoodb: can you add 'log_level = DEBUG' to more categories in frameworkd.conf?
Aug 22 14:37:50 <lindi-> since here it logs a lot more
Aug 22 14:38:16 <dbmoodb> ugly pastebin coming up
Aug 22 14:38:40 <dbmoodb> http://pastebin.com/d48f1e693
Aug 22 14:39:31 <lindi-> modem not responding does not sound good
Aug 22 14:39:46 <lindi-> dbmoodb: time to reboot? ;)
Aug 22 14:40:04 <dbmoodb> should i rofl :)
Aug 22 14:40:56 <dbmoodb> ok going to try again.
Aug 22 14:43:41 <lindi-> i would do really cold reboot to make sure the gsm chip is reset
Aug 22 14:47:55 <dbmoodb> lindi-: well about that rofl... it goes nope not working right .. then goes no reception then goes only sos then goes oh i got reception
Aug 22 14:48:32 <lindi-> dbmoodb: hmm?
Aug 22 14:48:57 <dbmoodb> its odd
Aug 22 14:49:14 <dbmoodb> ooo i think its up
Aug 22 14:53:32 <dbmoodb> mm can't go anywhere tho
Aug 22 14:54:29 <dbmoodb> i can resolve but not go
Aug 22 15:19:44 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: turns out i have my gta02 here, despite what i said in the mail..
Aug 22 15:31:17 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: hmm i'm getting the stdout flooded with "Too many buffered pts"
Aug 22 15:38:59 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: Any idea what a "pt" is?
Aug 22 15:39:19 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: And I'll try your build in a few
Aug 22 15:42:52 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: nope, but it's something about the demuxer not finding correct "pt"'s soon anough and mplayer running out of buffer
Aug 22 15:45:24 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: Hmm, so something with your file? I encoded mine using mencoder's lavc codec and didn't have that particular issue
Aug 22 15:46:39 <balrog-kun> the ts in pts must be timestamp :)
Aug 22 15:46:57 <balrog-kun> i don't know yet
Aug 22 16:19:40 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: your build prints "libavformat file format detected." at the beginning whlie mine prints "Quicktime/MOV file format detected.", that's probably the important difference
Aug 22 16:20:07 <balrog-kun> the mplayer on my desktop also prints Quicktime/MOV on this video
Aug 22 16:21:29 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: On the same file? I guess I need to revise the configure flags and compare with yours - I only tossed codecs and output plugins until it compiled
Aug 22 16:22:25 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: But do you see the CPU usage issue on your neo as well?
Aug 22 16:30:30 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: yeah, on the same file, but it's weird because the final codec and output driver are the same, only the demuxer differs
Aug 22 16:31:06 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: no, i'm not seeing it with my build, and with your build it won't send anything to the codec because demuxing fails
Aug 22 16:33:01 <balrog-kun> oh, i can force it to use the mov demuxer..
Aug 22 16:35:15 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: cool, it plays and uses 0.0% cpu
Aug 22 16:36:13 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: Which parameter did you use to do that?
Aug 22 16:36:15 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: i had to do dmesg -n 1 to stop the alignment traps flooding the console and littering the screen and killing performance
Aug 22 16:36:31 <balrog-kun> ./mplayer-abraxa -nosound -demuxer +mov -ao null -vo glamo ./the-beat.mp4
Aug 22 16:36:57 <abraxa_> Thanks for the efforts, lemme check over here
Aug 22 16:37:20 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: do you get sound btw?
Aug 22 16:37:42 <balrog-kun> neither oss nor alsa worked for me :(
Aug 22 16:37:50 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: I don't, because alsa fails to recognize the wolfson codec
Aug 22 16:38:06 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: With which build? Both? Or just mine?
Aug 22 16:38:16 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: yes, both
Aug 22 16:38:27 <abraxa_> Oh, bummer
Aug 22 16:38:44 <abraxa_> I'll have a look at that later then as well
Aug 22 16:38:52 <balrog-kun> thanks
Aug 22 16:39:31 <abraxa_> I noticed btw that the glamo sometimes seems to get confused and stops doing video playback altogether
Aug 22 16:39:48 <abraxa_> mplayer plays but no video output shows on screen
Aug 22 16:41:07 <balrog-kun> this didn't happen to me yet, i think
Aug 22 16:41:30 <abraxa_> Playing video.mpeg4.
Aug 22 16:41:30 <abraxa_> Quicktime/MOV file format detected.
Aug 22 16:41:30 <abraxa_> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open
Aug 22 16:41:32 <abraxa_> Ouch...
Aug 22 16:41:56 <abraxa_> Okay, something really weird must be going on
Aug 22 16:41:56 <balrog-kun> i had several times when experimenting the mplayer hang waiting for glamo to stop being busy
Aug 22 16:42:12 <balrog-kun> and killing mplayer wouldn't help then, but X worked
Aug 22 16:42:23 <abraxa_> I don't have X running actually
Aug 22 16:42:46 <balrog-kun> well, X or text framebuffer
Aug 22 16:44:47 <abraxa_> The config_cmd is the same as in git, right?
Aug 22 16:52:00 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: Your build crashes with signal 11 as well if I force the mov demuxer on my video file
Aug 22 16:52:15 <abraxa_> If I don't force it however, it plays the video with 4% CPU
Aug 22 16:55:06 <quickdev> How do I change the background image in FSO? Didn't find something in the wiki
Aug 22 16:59:01 <abraxa_> quickdev: It's compiled into the edje theme file - you'll have to use edje_cc to compile an altered file. You can find the raw theme in the FSO git
Aug 22 16:59:19 <quickdev> abraxa_, thank you.
Aug 22 17:02:21 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: oh, yes, it's the same file, i didn't realise
Aug 22 17:07:15 <wurp2|working> Anyone know a good tutorial on using E from python?
Aug 22 17:07:53 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: possibly my device being A3 (or around there) makes some difference then
Aug 22 17:08:19 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: What makes you suspect that?
Aug 22 17:08:23 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: i'll look up later which register masks the interrupts and how to do that
Aug 22 17:11:30 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: oh, do you have /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf installed?
Aug 22 17:11:52 <balrog-kun> mplayer may attempt to read from it if it exists
Aug 22 17:23:02 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: Nope, don't have mplayer.conf installed
Aug 22 17:25:20 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: The source of the 30+% CPU is the audio decoding, btw. I didn't use -nosound, unlike you - only -ao null
Aug 22 17:25:40 <abraxa_> With -nosound my build, too, stays at <10% CPU
Aug 22 18:04:10 <balrog-kun> abraxa_: i see
Aug 22 18:05:20 <balrog-kun> the glamo can decode mp3 but it's probably not worth putting much effort in
Aug 22 18:05:45 <balrog-kun> 30% seems a lot though, doesn't madplay use much less than that?
Aug 22 18:07:35 <abraxa_> balrog-kun: I'm a little surprised on that one, actually. mplayer says that an mp3 decoder is not available, which is believable as I haven't focused on that. However, it then goes on to use
Aug 22 18:07:41 <abraxa_> Selected audio codec: [ffmp2] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG layer-1 and layer-2 audio decoder)
Aug 22 18:08:38 <abraxa_> ...which gives me no insight about the engine it uses and if it's even layer 3-capable
Aug 22 18:09:21 <balrog-kun> i think mp3 classifies as MPEG layer-1
Aug 22 18:09:23 <balrog-kun> not sure
Aug 22 18:09:55 <abraxa_> I thought the official name is "MPEG 1 layer 3"
Aug 22 18:10:48 <balrog-kun> oh, may be
Aug 22 18:11:02 <wurp2|working> Yeah, it's such an intuitive naming system
Aug 22 18:23:38 <sirkha_top> ugh, one problem with using gentoo is that if you don't do it for long enough, you forget how to actually build a package
Aug 22 19:46:33 <pete_b> hi
Aug 22 19:46:54 <pete_b> anyone tried the mplayer version from http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ ?
Aug 22 20:01:08 <Fossi> cool
Aug 22 20:01:20 <Fossi> didn't know anyone was actually playing with that atm
Aug 22 20:01:33 * Fossi still wants opengl es support though :(
Aug 22 20:06:19 <wurp2|working> Is that from balrog-kun?  I thought he had done that a couple of months ago...
Aug 22 20:07:06 <wurp2|working> Oh, I see that the post is from a couple of months ago, so it must be his fine work :-)
Aug 22 20:46:52 <b0ef> installing xfce on fr, it seems it removed anything related to zhone and such; is there an all encompassing apt-get to get it back?
Aug 22 20:47:51 <lindi-> b0ef: apt-get install zhone?
Aug 22 20:47:57 <johnsu01> b0ef: I think it's the zhone-session that conflicted with xfce4-session
Aug 22 20:48:57 <b0ef> so apt-getting zhone back will probably do it?, without removing xfce?;)
Aug 22 20:49:28 <johnsu01> I think it's going to want to remove xfce, but you can see :)
Aug 22 20:49:41 <johnsu01> if it does want to do that, then install the xfce packages you want, without installing -session
Aug 22 20:50:09 <b0ef> I see, but I don't remember getting a warning that it would remove zhone* when I apt-getted xfce, though
Aug 22 20:50:14 <b0ef> might have missed it..
Aug 22 20:50:26 <johnsu01> well, because xfce is a package that installs a bunch of other packages
Aug 22 20:51:21 <b0ef> right, I'll try and report back; thanks;)
Aug 22 20:55:04 <b0ef> seemed to work;)
Aug 22 21:00:28 <b0ef> seems I have to install frameword, too
Aug 22 21:00:38 <b0ef> s/frameword/frameworkd/
Aug 22 21:00:59 <b0ef> it prints out: 
Aug 22 21:01:02 <b0ef> Note, selecting fso-frameworkd instead of frameworkd
Aug 22 21:01:11 <b0ef> I guess I should go with fso-frameworkd?
Aug 22 21:02:54 <nomeata> b0ef: fso-frameworkd is the new name of the package, to avoid generic packages names in Debian
Aug 22 21:03:13 <b0ef> right, nice; I did select that
Aug 22 21:07:38 <lindi-> nomeata: did you see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494781#22 (i forgot to CC pkg-fso-maint)
Aug 22 21:08:43 <nomeata> lindi-: it would be good to find a way that makes it easy for people to use the program, while still learning about all the different numbertypes
Aug 22 21:09:05 <nomeata> but we can at least add all the known ones to the package
Aug 22 21:11:08 <lindi-> nomeata: it would be nice if fso-frameworkd could open a popup "congratulations! you've found a new phonebook entry type %d, we don't know yet how to handle this but trying to proceed anyway"
Aug 22 21:11:43 <lindi-> nomeata: people seem to hit new types all the time now that they are finally starting to use frameworkd
Aug 22 21:12:04 <b0ef> now zhone starts up telling me it ain't got no dbus; is there a odbus or something I need?
Aug 22 21:12:04 <lindi-> the GUI does not show the assertion error so they have no idea why it stops working
Aug 22 21:12:24 <b0ef> sorry to bother you with all the packages, but is there a list?;)
Aug 22 21:12:25 <nomeata> lindi-: not that fso-frameworkd could pop up things easily. maybe with proper logging we can tell people to grep their logs once in a while
Aug 22 21:12:45 <nomeata> b0ef: that message should disappear after a short while
Aug 22 21:13:09 <b0ef> nope; it doesn't ask for ping, either
Aug 22 21:13:23 <nomeata> lindi-: but you are right, we should remove showstoppers from the debian packge
Aug 22 21:13:28 <b0ef> dbus-daemon is running, though
Aug 22 21:14:21 <nomeata> lindi-: do you think you’ll find all numbers that have come up so far? if so, just drop a mail at smartphone-standards and I’ll do a new package, probably tomorrow
Aug 22 21:15:06 <lindi-> nomeata: i'm afraid not, i did not keep an accurate log of them
Aug 22 21:15:15 <lindi-> i can find some of course
Aug 22 21:15:56 <lindi-> nomeata: how about changing that assert to an if that will complain about the unknown types but still continue to run?
Aug 22 21:16:47 <nomeata> lindi-: would probably be ok as well. just log at relatively high priority
Aug 22 21:17:00 <lindi-> sure
Aug 22 21:17:02 <nomeata> it’s not the users of the normal FSO image won’t get the assertions and then tell mickey|zzZZzz about it :-9
Aug 22 21:21:38 <nomeata> lindi-: so, I’m going off again, but unless I’ll forget, I’ll take care of it tomorrow. And by an e-mail, you can make sure I don’t forget.
Aug 22 21:21:52 <nomeata> lindi-: or feel free to send a patch against our git repository.
Aug 22 21:22:28 <lindi-> nomeata: i'll be away tomorrow probably
Aug 22 21:23:08 <nomeata> lindi-: ok. thx BTW for your help with user support in the mailing lists
Aug 22 21:29:25 <b0ef> right, a reboot did it..
Aug 22 21:35:57 <b0ef> is it possible to run zhone full screen?
Aug 22 21:36:32 <b0ef> its screen locker is of no use, since I can hit any panel item
Aug 22 21:48:35 <wurp2|working> b0ef: Yeah, in MS1 that's how it ran
Aug 22 21:48:41 <wurp2|working> There's a command line parameter
Aug 22 21:49:15 <b0ef> ah, damn, nice;)
Aug 22 21:50:08 <b0ef> would be nice to have it toggable with f, f.ex, though;)
Aug 22 22:13:24 <sirkha_top> my continued avoidance of wpa_supplicant has finally come back to bite me in the posterior
Aug 22 22:47:56 <balrog-kun> am i supposed to be able to read from both accelerometers in one program with recent kernels?
Aug 22 22:48:23 <balrog-kun> it doesn't seem to work with the milestone 2 fso kernel :(
Aug 22 23:29:26 <hexarith> I got a new toy to play with (and intograte into the GTA): http://www.global.yamaha.com/news/2006/20060726.html
Aug 22 23:31:44 <hexarith> Now I need some map of local distortions of the geomagnetic field. That way the location obtained with GPS allows to get quite a good bearing.
Aug 22 23:43:39 <hexarith> That could do it: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html
Aug 23 00:18:32 <balrog-kun> yay, i think i nailed the accelerometers bug
Aug 23 00:20:16 <pjz> balrog-kun: woo
Aug 23 00:20:28 <pjz> balrog-kun: that was fast
Aug 23 00:21:57 <cjb> balrog-kun: ooh, which?
Aug 23 00:22:04 <cjb> balrog-kun: oh
Aug 23 00:22:10 <cjb> balrog-kun: X is using the grab ioctl on one of them
Aug 23 00:22:18 <cjb> balrog-kun: if you stop X, you'll get data from both.
Aug 23 00:29:59 <balrog-kun> cjb: ombug #1613, turns out it wouldn't work even without the X grabbing them, except for the five or ten first samples, now it does for me even with X running
Aug 23 00:30:03 * balrog-kun off to bed
Aug 23 00:30:31 <cjb> balrog-kun: cool :) nice job
Aug 23 00:37:40 <sirkha_top> "The name fi.epitest.hostap.WPASupplicant was not provided by any .service files"
Aug 23 00:38:00 <sirkha_top> where do .service files normally live?
Aug 23 00:38:23 <cjb> that's a misleading error
Aug 23 00:38:33 <cjb> it means that WPASupplicant isn't running, basically
Aug 23 00:38:39 <cjb> at least not on that dbus interface
Aug 23 00:38:39 <sirkha_top> ah, but it is
Aug 23 00:38:59 <cjb> so what you want isn't a service file, but for it to listen to that interface.
Aug 23 00:39:13 <sirkha_top> could be true, i can't remember how to make things build except to in /usr/local
Aug 23 00:40:10 <sirkha_top> is there a wpa_supplicant option for making it work with dbus?
Aug 23 00:40:50 <sirkha_top> cause connman *is* showing up on the right bus, but wpa_supplicant isn't
Aug 23 00:40:55 <roh> wpa_supplicant *brrrr*
Aug 23 00:41:11 <sirkha_top> i prefer wireless tools
Aug 23 00:41:49 <sirkha_top> right now i have a bash script that runs iwconfig and dhcpcd on my freerunner
Aug 23 00:42:07 * roh prefers grown up security on transport layer and uncrypted wifi
Aug 23 00:42:25 <sirkha_top> indeed
Aug 23 00:43:20 <sirkha_top> and someday, i'll care about security enough to set up a vpn server
Aug 23 00:44:06 <sirkha_top> but yeah, wpa supplicant because connman needs it
Aug 23 00:44:22 <sirkha_top> and i said i would play with connman for mickey|zzZZzz
Aug 23 01:24:12 <pjz> fso seems to ebe shaping up nicely
Aug 23 01:30:54 <sirkha_top> connman's disadvantages are its dependencies
Aug 23 01:32:53 <sirkha_top> if anything, but i am having problems getting past them to find out what its advantages are
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