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Aug 23 07:00:23 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r300aeb3d67c2 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/ (accelerometer.py idlenotifier.py info.py input.py): odeviced: fix import breakage introduced by me
Aug 23 07:21:52 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * reb275232dd61 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 23 07:21:52 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: oevents: bring back AudioScenarioAction (first try)
Aug 23 07:21:52 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: FIXME: leads to a audio scenario stack underflow if a call never reaches 'active'
Aug 23 09:28:55 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz: so working on this scenario thing I see :-)
Aug 23 09:52:03 <Ainulindale> Hey MarcOChapeau :-)
Aug 23 09:52:18 <MarcOChapeau> Hi
Aug 23 10:50:28 <ieatlint> does sqlite load the entire database into ram when it uses it?
Aug 23 11:40:45 <trupheenix> hi can anyone point me to the source code of the openmoko dialer?
Aug 23 11:44:06 <ike> trupheenix: i am not sure but i think this is it: https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/
Aug 23 11:57:31 <trupheenix> Ainulindale: will u b able to answer any queries i might have related to the dialer?
Aug 23 15:33:24 <Laibsch> I managed to brick the freerunner I have here.  I hope it's only temporary
Aug 23 15:33:54 <Laibsch> I wanted to flash an image, so I pushed the secondary button, held it and then pushed the main button
Aug 23 15:34:13 <Laibsch> the freerunner turned on briefly, but powered off quickly after that
Aug 23 15:34:21 <Laibsch> I assumed the battery was flat
Aug 23 15:34:43 <Laibsch> I tried to charge it over USB, but I am not sure it indeed took a charge (how do you tell?)
Aug 23 15:35:05 <Laibsch> No matter which one of the two buttons I press now, no reaction
Aug 23 15:35:10 <Laibsch> What do I do?
Aug 23 15:36:44 <lambda> unplug the usb wire
Aug 23 15:36:53 <lambda> remove the battery for a while (30s°
Aug 23 15:37:19 <Laibsch> I already tried that
Aug 23 15:37:22 <Laibsch> I'll try once more
Aug 23 15:42:59 <Laibsch> I put the battery back in now
Aug 23 15:43:03 <Laibsch> no reaction
Aug 23 15:43:11 <Laibsch> I wonder if the battery isn't flat
Aug 23 15:45:55 <ike> Laibsch: use another battery. Most nokia's batteries will do.
Aug 23 15:46:20 <ike> Just boot the system and plug ac charger.
Aug 23 15:46:33 <Laibsch> I only have the device
Aug 23 15:46:33 <ike> You can swap batteries while on charger.
Aug 23 15:46:39 <Laibsch> none of the auxiliary items
Aug 23 15:46:56 <Laibsch> I tried booting again with the device plugged in to USB
Aug 23 15:47:03 <Laibsch> and apparently that does work now
Aug 23 15:47:16 <Laibsch> I wonder if the thing is charging now
Aug 23 15:47:40 <Laibsch> how do you tell?
Aug 23 15:48:30 <ike> Well you can't if it's off.
Aug 23 15:48:47 <Laibsch> bummer
Aug 23 15:52:31 <lindi-> nomeata: did you hear about issues with new fso-frameworkd? i was told < Jozo> NameError: global name 'sys' is not defined
Aug 23 15:53:27 <lindi-> Laibsch: run powertop on your computer to measure power consumption
Aug 23 15:53:29 <nomeata> lindi-: uh, I thought I tested that. Embarrassing. I’ll do another release right away.
Aug 23 15:53:35 <lindi-> Laibsch: you'll notice if it draws 500mA
Aug 23 15:53:49 <Laibsch> cool, thanks
Aug 23 15:54:03 <lindi-> nomeata: < Jozo>     print >>sys.stderr, "Unknown number type %i when reading number \"%s\"" % (ntype, nstring)
Aug 23 15:54:30 <lindi-> Laibsch: assuming laptop :P
Aug 23 15:54:38 <Laibsch> yes
Aug 23 15:57:27 <nomeata> lindi-: oh, stupid interpreted languages. of course it won’t complain until I actually hit such an unknown number :-)
Aug 23 15:57:45 <Laibsch> lindi-: where do I see that?  I can hear the speaker active when jacking in the USB cable
Aug 23 15:59:45 <lindi-> nomeata: heh
Aug 23 16:00:00 <lindi-> Laibsch: never used powertop?
Aug 23 16:00:18 <Laibsch> yes, I've used it a couple of times
Aug 23 16:00:24 <Laibsch> only to play around, though
Aug 23 16:00:41 <Laibsch> last time's been a couple of months or a year ago
Aug 23 16:01:42 <nomeata> lindi-: new version uploaded
Aug 23 16:02:35 <lindi-> i'll notify the user :)
Aug 23 16:06:05 <Tanuva> lindi-: qemubuilder doesn't seem to see the armel-rc in ~/.pbuilder...
Aug 23 16:10:08 <lindi-> Tanuva: .pbuilderrc works for me
Aug 23 16:10:13 <lindi-> Tanuva: strace please?
Aug 23 16:11:43 <Tanuva> argh. reading instructions is difficult. I put armel-rc in ~/.pbuilder/ >.<
Aug 23 16:11:52 <Tanuva> I'm obviously doing too fast
Aug 23 16:20:50 <Tanuva> now here's the trace of the issue I have every time I try to --create now: http://rafb.net/p/ySc8of36.html - qemubuilder downloads all the packages from ftp2.de.debian.org after formatting (mke2fs) the initial image file and then hangs here in a second mke2fs call. the select/nanosleep/read/write block is repeated until I kill the process. Anything I can do about this? :/
Aug 23 16:21:24 <Tanuva> [what I'm actually doing: trying to set up a qemubuilder environment (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner)]
Aug 23 16:22:31 <lindi-> Tanuva: sudo sh -c 'LANG=C strace -f -o strace.out -s256 qemubuilder --create'?
Aug 23 16:33:04 <Tanuva> lindi-: it's working atm - going to get some bread in the meantime
Aug 23 17:15:14 <Tanuva> lindi-: hangs at the same spot again, strace.out is already >130MB...
Aug 23 17:19:46 <lindi-> :)
Aug 23 17:22:14 <Tanuva> should say: I killed the process :)
Aug 23 18:17:03 <retracile> Is there a way to programmatically tell the matchbox window manager to raise zhone to the top?  (Even if it means modifying zhone?)
Aug 23 18:22:25 <lindi-> retracile: matchbox-remote -next
Aug 23 18:23:45 <retracile> lindi-: mmm... that doesn't seem to be having any effect.  And it doesn't necessarily raise zhone, right?  Just the next application.
Aug 23 18:36:55 <lindi-> retracile: yes it's the next app
Aug 23 18:37:45 <retracile> I'm looking for a way to raise a specific application.
Aug 23 19:15:29 <newb> hi can anyone help me get libdb for openmoko? i tried cross compiling it but i'm running into too many errors :(
Aug 23 20:21:24 <nomeata> retracile: you can try with wmctrl, not sure if matchbox supports EWMH though
Aug 23 20:23:13 <retracile> nomeata: thanks for the hint; I'll see what I can find there.
Aug 23 20:25:22 <retracile> Hehe...  ssh'ed in with X forwarding, and I get a list of my laptop's windows :)
Aug 23 20:26:03 <retracile> Ok, matchbox does give a list of windows... that's a good step 1
Aug 23 20:28:07 <retracile> "DISPLAY=:0 wmctrl -a zhone" worked.  Excellent.
Aug 23 20:28:20 <nomeata> retracile: nice
Aug 23 20:29:27 <retracile> nomeata: hopefully I can tie that into zhone's screen locking so when it locks, it brings its screen locker to the forefront, and I don't wind up putting screen taps as input into whatever happens to be running.
Aug 23 20:30:59 <nomeata> retracile: oh, that’s your goal? in that case, rather have a look how to tell the enlightment libs to raise the window (gtk has gtk_window_raise, I think). but wmctrl can be used as a work-around until a proper solution is found
Aug 23 20:31:28 <nomeata> retracile: OTOH, maybe don’t bother too much, with illume installed, AFAIK illume is meant to lock the screen, at least in the long run
Aug 23 20:32:06 <nomeata> retracile: also, switching to zhone will not prevent you from using the keyboard
Aug 23 20:32:20 <retracile> nomeata: I'm afraid I don't know enough to follow all of that yet.  I'm running Debian on the FR.  Which parts of the above apply to that?
Aug 23 20:32:36 <nomeata> retracile: all :-)
Aug 23 20:33:00 <retracile> nomeata: excellent. :)
Aug 23 20:33:00 <nomeata> retracile: short version: "wmctrl to raise zhone is a hack, but sure, why not" :-)
Aug 23 20:33:52 <retracile> nomeata: hacks as a short-term get-this-working-enough-to-replace-my-zaurus are acceptable.
Aug 23 20:34:17 <nomeata> :-)
Aug 23 20:35:42 <retracile> I'm going to have to ramp up on a number of things to get this where I really want it: dbus, python-gtk, matchbox, matchbox-keyboard, zhone (and therefore edje, etc.), and on and on.
Aug 23 20:36:06 <retracile> I want a jumpx keyboard, or a /very/ customizable keyboard.
Aug 23 20:36:39 <retracile> (Like, support for hexagon or circle based keyboards, keyboards on top & bottom of the screen, etc.)
Aug 23 20:36:56 <retracile> ... but that'
Aug 23 20:36:58 <retracile> ll take time.
Aug 23 21:15:05 <sirkha_top> is there a way to get call history in fso?
Aug 23 21:15:15 <sirkha_top> (dbus... frameworkd)
Aug 23 21:22:03 <lindi-> sirkha_top: zhone does not save those anywhere afaik
Aug 23 21:24:48 <sirkha_top> hmm, seems like it would be done in the framework, surprised there is not a place for it on the sim
Aug 23 21:28:59 <lindi-> sirkha_top: what would call history do in sim?
Aug 23 21:30:26 <sirkha_top> let you see the last people that the you called, or who called you?
Aug 23 21:30:38 <sirkha_top> seems like a good thing to carry from phone to phone to me
Aug 23 21:31:38 <lindi-> yeah but space on SIM is usually quite limited?
Aug 23 21:31:50 <lindi-> sirkha_top: but you could encode such information as contacts :)
Aug 23 21:32:17 <sirkha_top> suppose you could, not sure if you would want to do it that way, though
Aug 23 21:53:19 <nomeata> one could also implement logging to /var/log in the frameworkd package, and then use grep :-)
Aug 24 01:22:55 <sirkha_top> whats a good browser for fso?
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