**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 24 02:59:56 2008 Aug 24 07:35:52 morning Aug 24 07:39:05 erm Aug 24 08:39:41 hi i want to know how i can install a cross compiled library onto the neo? Aug 24 08:39:55 i have the library installed in the toolchain Aug 24 08:40:09 now i want it to install on my neo Aug 24 08:40:43 newb: which distro? Aug 24 08:44:06 lindi: im using OM2007.2 Aug 24 08:48:12 newb: then you probably should use bitbake to package it? Aug 24 08:48:46 lindi- ok... Aug 24 08:49:11 lindi- but ur using debian if i'm not mistaken? :) Aug 24 08:49:38 newb: currently yes Aug 24 08:50:00 lindi-: hmmm... that's why the ? :) Aug 24 11:49:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4d2f21364cee 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: increase robustness. closes #23 Aug 24 12:43:10 i just had an interesting thought on using openmoko for handwriting application training... Aug 24 12:43:48 have a program that unlocks by having you write a word Aug 24 12:44:39 you don't have to necessarily have the thing recognize the word, just give it a sample of your handwriting Aug 24 13:00:37 Who controls APM in FSO ? I get ""PM: Preparing system for mem sleep" every 15-20s . My freerunner then goes to sleep and wakes up immediatly .. Aug 24 13:03:02 w_erase: i am not entirely sure how much that differs from debian with fso tools Aug 24 13:03:09 w_erase: stop processes one at a time to see Aug 24 13:03:53 let't try that Aug 24 13:07:15 what is a good list to be on for fso development? Aug 24 13:11:35 sirkha_top: smartphone-standards Aug 24 13:16:32 nomeata: many thanks Aug 24 13:17:15 sirkha_top: you’re welcome. both for that and on the list :-) Aug 24 13:17:58 shoragan: are you going to notify when there is a good point to package a new git snapshot of zhone and frameworkd? Aug 24 13:18:20 shoragan: for example, when guillaume’s changes to the event system are complete and in a working state again? Aug 24 13:24:12 i can ping you when I update the gitrev in OE Aug 24 13:24:19 probably within the next 96hours Aug 24 13:25:46 mickey|sofa: i got connman (ICM) to compile, after a bit more playing i might get it to actually work (this is on my laptop, not my free runner) Aug 24 13:27:22 oki, cool Aug 24 13:28:28 it does seem to have a decently nice interface, and introspection worked, unlike network manager Aug 24 14:06:52 mickey|sofa: that would be great. are you going to hand out proper version numbers for the packages then? Aug 24 14:35:35 lindi-, xset -s activate fixed the problem. No more suspend on ram every 15s, now only backlight off. Aug 24 14:58:20 hi Aug 24 14:58:30 I'm using zhone on Debian Aug 24 14:59:01 I have seen that the first time zhone received power button event, zhone puts FR in suspend Aug 24 14:59:13 then, I wake up FR Aug 24 14:59:27 and then, zhone do not respond to power button Aug 24 14:59:56 I restart zhone, and then I can suspend another time, etc... Aug 24 15:00:35 I haven't found a bug in fso bugtracker, but I do not have an official fso to test that Aug 24 15:01:50 TeXitoi: interesting Aug 24 15:02:00 TeXitoi: what version of zhone and fso-frameworkd? Aug 24 15:02:26 zhone: Installed: 0-git20080809-4 Aug 24 15:02:38 aha, i have -3 Aug 24 15:03:00 lindi-: I had the same problem before today's upgrade Aug 24 15:03:14 fso-frameworkd: Installed: 0.2.0-git20080805-7 Aug 24 15:04:24 * lindi- apt-get upgrade Aug 24 15:04:30 +s Aug 24 15:04:42 I have also seen that eth0 do not like resume : before any suspend, I work great (well, lots of lost packets, but I think it is my router's pb), but it never work after Aug 24 15:05:01 one issue at a time please :) Aug 24 15:05:06 ;-) Aug 24 15:05:10 shure Aug 24 15:06:37 TeXitoi: can you read the "sniff the bus:" part from http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt and see if you see events generated by the power button in both cases? Aug 24 15:07:15 How are GPS and GSM accessed ? Are there some daemon that handle them ? or every apps can access the hardware ? How can I see GPS frames & GSM AT commands ? Aug 24 15:07:26 w_erase: what distro? Aug 24 15:07:30 FSO Aug 24 15:07:40 w_erase: frameworkd talks to both gps and gsm Aug 24 15:07:51 w_erase: apps talk to frameworkd over dbus Aug 24 15:08:11 w_erase: turn on "log_level=DEBUG" and start frameworkd from terminal Aug 24 15:08:24 nice Aug 24 15:08:26 thx Aug 24 15:08:43 (i hope you found frameworkd.conf) Aug 24 15:08:51 :-) Aug 24 15:08:57 lindi-: I have lanched frameworkd on a terminal, and I always have the power button event. I look your link Aug 24 15:09:15 TeXitoi: even after suspend? Aug 24 15:09:23 lindi-: yes Aug 24 15:09:32 good, then frameworkd should work ok Aug 24 15:09:52 that's why it work another time only restarting zhone and not frameworkd Aug 24 15:10:47 http://rafb.net/p/5YNdcG34.html is what i see too Aug 24 15:12:05 ha, i found a bug :) Aug 24 15:13:02 http://rafb.net/p/l9W0TN95.html Aug 24 15:14:40 I'm new to python. I'm surprised everything is not in C/C++. Is Python a nice alternative for embedded platforms ? Aug 24 15:15:41 w_erase: I don't think so, but it seems great for prototyping (don't bash me! ;-) Aug 24 15:15:55 w_erase: frameworkd is very young. i think it's good to prototype it in python first. with dbus you can rewrite it piece-by-piece in any language you want Aug 24 15:16:54 TeXitoi: can you run zhone from terminal (under screen or something) and see if it prints anything on resume? Aug 24 15:17:02 nothing Aug 24 15:17:25 ok, i'll refresh my memory on python debugging then :) Aug 24 15:17:51 ha, maybe an interesting thing Aug 24 15:18:05 I do not have any sim right now in the telephone Aug 24 15:18:16 that might cause it too Aug 24 15:18:33 but "apt-get source zhone" and grep for "apm -s" if you haven't already Aug 24 15:19:48 nomeata: if I report FSO bugs to upstream should I also report a bug to debian and point to the upstream bug? Aug 24 15:21:05 lindi-: if you don’t mind the extra work, then it’s appreciated Aug 24 15:21:14 but not strictly necessary Aug 24 15:21:27 alternatively, you can just link to it on the FSO-Team-Wikipage Aug 24 15:21:50 nomeata: i can't register to upstream bug tracker so all my bugs will be anonymous (i wonder if I even get an email if somebody comments them) Aug 24 15:22:38 lindi-: you can put your e-mail address in the submitter field, I think Aug 24 15:22:59 lindi-: or bug the fso people to register you. I forgot who it is that hands out accounts, though. Aug 24 15:23:22 mickey|sofa: is there some way to list bugs reported by "timo.lindfors@iki.fi" on trac.freesmartphone.org? Aug 24 15:23:59 i found http://trac.freesmartphone.org/query?order=priority but i can't find any textarea to enter search terms Aug 24 15:24:38 nomeata: at least i don't get email when i report a bug there Aug 24 15:24:51 but maybe it only sends email for other people's comments Aug 24 15:25:21 my bugs are now essentially lost in the system :) Aug 24 15:25:40 Isn't there a hard reset on Freerunner ? mine was stuck. I had to remove battery Aug 24 15:25:54 w_erase: there is one. you found it :-) Aug 24 15:26:01 lindi-: same with mine.. Aug 24 15:26:12 aha http://trac.freesmartphone.org/query?reporter=%7Etimo.lindfors%40iki.fi&reporter=%7E&order=priority Aug 24 15:26:26 powerbutton >30 could to a 'real poweroff' Aug 24 15:26:32 like on any PCs Aug 24 15:26:52 >30sec Aug 24 15:32:53 how can I switch off the wifi chip ? Aug 24 15:34:52 lindi-: I have undersand my bug Aug 24 15:35:18 TeXitoi: i learned to debug python: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/110#comment:1 Aug 24 15:37:07 starting zhone, self.willSuspend = True Aug 24 15:37:46 so, if I release the power button, I will go directly in if self.willSuspend: Aug 24 15:38:14 but after entering in this block, self.willSuspend is set to false Aug 24 15:38:37 then, I have to push the power button one sec to suspend Aug 24 15:38:42 yes Aug 24 15:42:55 TeXitoi: can you start the python debugger? Aug 24 15:43:16 1) DISPLAY=:0 python -m pdb /usr/bin/zhone Aug 24 15:43:32 2) break /usr/bin/zhone:1960 Aug 24 15:43:53 3) continue Aug 24 15:44:21 lindi-: on FR? Aug 24 15:44:23 4) hold power button down for 2 seconds Aug 24 15:44:25 TeXitoi: yes Aug 24 15:44:49 5) you should hit a breakpoint, then type "print self.willSuspend" Aug 24 15:45:18 lindi-: why should I do that ? Aug 24 15:45:31 I have the bug, just doing the patch... ;-) Aug 24 15:45:37 ah :) Aug 24 15:45:47 i was too busy trying to learn to use the debugger Aug 24 15:46:00 (well, a s/True/False/ patch... ;-) Aug 24 15:46:49 TeXitoi: but i still don't understand why it works here Aug 24 15:47:25 lindi-: in fact, the bug is not what I thought Aug 24 15:47:58 the real bug is that, first suspend can be done just pressing power button instead of 1 sec power button Aug 24 15:49:01 true! Aug 24 15:49:05 now i see it too Aug 24 15:49:22 do you want to report it or should i? Aug 24 15:50:05 its ok, I'm doing it Aug 24 15:50:24 please Cc: timo.lindfors@iki.fi and we can check if trac really sends email :) Aug 24 15:53:03 lindi-: ok Aug 24 15:56:17 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r12acae6fb162 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (4 files): process events when idle FIXME: still buggy, does not work when idlenotifier is loaded Aug 24 15:56:18 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r021ed8a4a8f3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h): Aug 24 15:56:18 freesmartphone.org: Fix processing of input events when idle, prolly save from power Aug 24 15:56:18 freesmartphone.org: FIXME: idlenotifier conflicts with input plugin Aug 24 15:56:59 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/111 Aug 24 15:58:58 oups, forgot to change priority... never mind, it should be closed fast Aug 24 15:59:56 hvaen't got any email yet Aug 24 16:02:07 neither do I Aug 24 16:03:37 i feel tempted to just use bugs.debian.org Aug 24 16:06:05 zhone can't send SMS ? Aug 24 16:09:25 mickey|sofa: i just noticed you closed my bug http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/108 Aug 24 16:09:59 mickey|sofa: i did not get any email so i did not notice it. can you please give me an account on trac? Aug 24 16:11:08 seems I was wrong; there doesn't seem to be a way to install zhone without zhone-session? Aug 24 16:11:48 I'm running xfce and start it using gdm, but zhone-session launches an xorg too, so they conflict Aug 24 16:12:22 b0ef: sure Aug 24 16:13:19 lindi-: I should just try apt-get --purge remove zhone-session again? Aug 24 16:13:33 zhone does not depend on zhone-session Aug 24 16:14:57 hmm, wow; I get zhone-session is not installed by apt-get, but still, the /etc/init.d/zhone-session is present Aug 24 16:15:51 b0ef: dpkg -S it Aug 24 16:18:04 right, it prints out:? Aug 24 16:18:07 zhone-session: /etc/init.d/zhone-session Aug 24 16:18:13 nomeata: if you don't mind i'll start reporting bugs only to bugs.debian.org with cc to pkg-fso-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org until i get account on trac.freesmartphone.org. If i don't get email when a bug is fixed it is quite useless for me :/ Aug 24 16:18:44 so, apt-get forgot to remove this file?;) Aug 24 16:19:04 any way to force it to remove it, without just rm it? Aug 24 16:19:08 lindi-: allright. but then, you still have to manually watch the bugs, to see when they are closed :-) Aug 24 16:19:26 b0ef: dpkg -P zhone-session Aug 24 16:19:39 b0ef: Debian treats it as a configuration file, so it’s not removed Aug 24 16:19:50 nomeata: yeah unfortunately Aug 24 16:19:58 b0ef: but it has a bug: if the package has been removed (but not purged), the init script should be a no-op Aug 24 16:20:24 I promise a fix (later) in return for a bug report that makes sure I don’t forget the fix. Aug 24 16:20:28 nomeata: ah, there, got it;), hehe, thanks Aug 24 16:21:15 nomeata: you meant me? Aug 24 16:21:43 lindi-: and when reporting bugs, do you use reportbug? in that case, use the built-in feature for CC:, this makes sure the mail to the list can be replied to without opening another bug :-) Aug 24 16:21:52 b0ef: anyone who cares enough :-) Aug 24 16:21:53 file it with reportbug? Aug 24 16:22:07 nomeata: i usually use reportbug to save to file and then send it with my mailer Aug 24 16:22:09 sure, I just wasn't sure you talked to me;) Aug 24 16:22:24 lindi-: sure thing. please send me a login/pw combination. i have no idea how to enable registration via trac 0.10 Aug 24 16:22:31 b0ef: yes. see the section on reporting bugs on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 24 16:22:41 nomeata: right, thanks Aug 24 16:23:10 nice. one possible bug reporter more :-) Aug 24 16:23:27 * nomeata → dinner Aug 24 16:23:30 I've been reluctant to report bugs cause everything is so in flux;) Aug 24 16:24:21 lindi-: added. please try to login Aug 24 16:26:52 mickeyl: after entering my email, should i get an email when a somebody comments my bug? Aug 24 16:27:04 b0ef: apt-get do not purge package by default, and if you do not purge, /etc/init.d is not removef Aug 24 16:27:21 lindi-: i have no idea :/ Aug 24 16:27:26 sorry, i'm a lousy admin Aug 24 16:27:35 and this is my first trac installation Aug 24 16:27:38 mickeyl: since if not then it's horrible, i'd have to poll all the bugs :/ Aug 24 16:27:39 TeXitoi: right, but I'm pretty sure I used --purge and nomeata confirmed I believe that this was a bug Aug 24 16:27:57 perhaps someone who knows about trac knows more Aug 24 16:28:10 we can update to 0.11 if necessary Aug 24 16:28:11 mickeyl: i report at least five bugs every week to different projects, it's not usable for me if i don't get email notifications from upstreams Aug 24 16:28:21 yeah Aug 24 16:28:24 i can imagine Aug 24 16:30:49 i'll open a test bug, can you close it so that i can see if i get email? Aug 24 16:32:57 mickeyl: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/112 Aug 24 16:33:38 done Aug 24 16:36:43 mickeyl: nothing received yet :( Aug 24 16:37:03 do you know whether trac 0.10 can do that at all? Aug 24 16:37:27 aah Aug 24 16:37:28 look here: Aug 24 16:37:29 no i don't Aug 24 16:37:34 Disabled by default, notification can be activated and configured in trac.ini. Aug 24 16:37:43 so i will take a look in that trac.ini Aug 24 16:38:52 shoragan: ping Aug 24 16:44:41 ok Aug 24 16:44:44 you should get one now Aug 24 16:44:49 at least it's gone from trac Aug 24 16:44:55 as per the logs Aug 24 16:45:38 any reason the kernel does not load hci_usb and ohci-hcd and I have to load them everytime I boot? Aug 24 16:46:07 right, maybe it doesn't load them cause the chip is off;) Aug 24 16:46:19 , but it should load them once I switch it on, though? Aug 24 16:47:29 mickeyl: yay! Aug 24 16:48:02 now perhaps i could enable autoregistration as well Aug 24 16:48:07 * mickeyl browses the trac FAQ Aug 24 16:48:27 is there some framework I should use to turn on bluetooth or should I just cat 1 into power_on from a script? Aug 24 16:49:04 try OUsage API Aug 24 16:50:55 mickeyl: where's that hidden?;) Aug 24 16:51:43 hidden? Aug 24 16:51:46 docs.freesmartphone.org Aug 24 16:51:48 Usage Aug 24 16:51:54 ah, of course Aug 24 16:51:56 thanks Aug 24 16:52:22 something like RequestResource("BT") Aug 24 16:52:30 whereas I don't know the names of the resources Aug 24 16:52:33 try ListResources for that Aug 24 16:55:12 hey, the systray for debian that was posted on the list is really good :) Aug 24 16:56:45 hey there Aug 24 17:00:13 does xscreensaver have something similar to that zhone screensaver? Aug 24 17:01:18 mickeyl: AFAIK, trac 0.10 does not allow handling the htaccess file, at least not without a plugin Aug 24 17:05:33 lindi-: does your mail client support adding additional headers? Aug 24 17:06:14 ah Aug 24 17:06:18 bummer Aug 24 17:06:35 lindi-: anyways, for bugs that are both in upstream and Debian bug tracker, please issue a "bts 12345 forwarded http://trac.../ticket/456" once you know the debian bug number Aug 24 17:10:37 nomeata: sure it does Aug 24 17:11:20 lindi-: then you can add the X-Debbugs-CC: header manually. This is just what reportbug does Aug 24 17:11:43 copy’n’paste fail in http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/110#comment:3 :-) Aug 24 17:13:21 500 Internal Server Error (Sorry, can not save your changes. This ticket has been modified by someone else since you started) Aug 24 17:13:25 aaaargh Aug 24 17:14:12 lindi-: go back with your browser, your text should still be there Aug 24 17:14:28 fortunately yes Aug 24 17:14:45 now there's more python debugger output Aug 24 17:14:47 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/110#comment:4 Aug 24 17:15:12 nomeata: any idea how should i run reportbug on the device but send the mails later? Aug 24 17:15:29 how do i send a.txt after "reportbug -o bug.txt .."=? Aug 24 17:16:31 lindi-: not sure, it might work with "cat bug.txt | sendmail". or dropping this file in an evolution folder and sending it from there Aug 24 17:16:43 lindi-: you can however also use reportbug on your machine, without having the package installed Aug 24 17:17:25 sure but then it won't do the nice job of getting version numbers for me Aug 24 17:17:38 lindi-: right. you can also install nullmailer or something Aug 24 17:18:32 i must say python debugger on the phone is a nice idea :) Aug 24 17:20:42 * nomeata → AFK Aug 24 17:20:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r99c8433e0069 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Aug 24 17:20:56 freesmartphone.org: oevents: Push/Pull Scenario idea didn't work out, we need to save state between rule invocations for that. Aug 24 17:20:56 freesmartphone.org: Went back to fixed SetScenario (same as we did in oeventd for ms2) for now until we can discuss more. Aug 24 17:27:01 having recent problems where the screen just stays black; everything seems fine when ssh'ing in Aug 24 17:27:13 restarting gdm doesn't help or startx Aug 24 17:27:36 is there some command to turn on the screen?;) Aug 24 17:27:46 b0ef: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness? Aug 24 17:28:09 0 Aug 24 17:28:17 b0ef: echo 63 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness Aug 24 17:28:38 I'll be a monkeys' uncle; there we go;) Aug 24 17:28:42 thanks Aug 24 17:29:35 , but this happens when zhone dies I believe Aug 24 17:29:35 b0ef: pasted it directly from the "good to know" section of my secret notes, http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt :) Aug 24 17:29:45 thanks for that.. Aug 24 17:30:09 I just hear the buzzing from an incoming gsm, but no ring, then the screen is dead; I'll see what happens next time Aug 24 17:30:14 zhone didn't use to die before.. Aug 24 17:30:44 b0ef: ps axuf did not show it? Aug 24 17:31:14 didn't try that; I'll see next time Aug 24 17:35:58 had to restart fso-frameworkd, before zhone would work Aug 24 17:37:57 just complained about missing dbus before that Aug 24 17:38:14 b0ef: maybe frameworkd hit an exception Aug 24 17:40:52 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r274cb07115af 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: input plugin: Fix some memory leaks, make process_event a high priority idle event Aug 24 18:22:46 hi Aug 24 18:23:50 bug : In zhone, I go to sms, everything is empty, and then, I cannot diall (and zhone make exception dbus not responding) Aug 24 18:24:08 In the frameworkd log, I have that : http://pastebin.com/m3a4590b7 Aug 24 18:27:30 nomeata: I have been trying to build xserver-xfbdev for debian armel, since the armel package is not in experimental. It has dependencies on mesa-gl, libgl1-mesa, because of a configure option in debian/rules --enable-glx-ssl. Mesa-gl and gl.h are missing on debian armel. Aug 24 18:28:31 tmzt_mp900c: any reason why you don’t take the version from unstable? Aug 24 18:31:31 packages.debian.org lists xserver-xfbdev only for experimental, and not for armel Aug 24 18:31:54 tmzt_mp900c: good point :-) Aug 24 18:32:19 also, the debian version doesn't appear to have tslib support enabled Aug 24 18:33:02 tmzt_mp900c: does it relate to this build failure: http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=xorg-server&ver=2%3A1.4.99.906-1&arch=arm&stamp=1217684752&file=log&as=raw Aug 24 18:33:53 we really need an auto-builder for armel in experimental Aug 24 18:34:13 I guess you need to build the new libgl1-mesa-glx on armel first Aug 24 18:37:03 was that for arm or armel? Aug 24 18:42:49 the report was for arm Aug 24 18:43:14 but i think there is a reason for the versioned dependency, so you need to build libgl1-mesa-glx Aug 24 18:48:55 Will the oevents configuration file support using scripts as filters/actions? Aug 24 18:50:12 What I'm after is a way to automatically answer certain numbers and send tone commands for these (and never "show" the call) Aug 24 18:51:11 (The house where I live will give me a call when someone rings the door bell and the door is opened with sending a number) Aug 24 19:02:05 hi guys, I think I just screwed my FPC cable. How can I order for a new one ? Aug 24 19:27:14 mickey|dinner, pong Aug 24 19:48:30 shoragan: ping pong. Aug 24 19:48:39 shoragan: anything new on the e library frontß Aug 24 19:58:23 if I define a keyboard in xorg.conf, my bluetooth keyboard does not work, but it does if I exclude the section Aug 24 20:04:11 right, I removed the "CoreKeyboard" option and it works Aug 24 20:05:11 , but I don't get why in the wiki it says /dev/input/event5; how can you know that the keyboard will get exactly that event? Aug 24 20:22:11 any pointers on how to turn off the screensaver on zhone? Aug 24 20:22:22 and turn off the way it turns off the screen Aug 24 20:35:00 b0ef: by editing source code Aug 24 20:35:06 b0ef: no other way reall Aug 24 20:35:07 +y Aug 24 20:38:19 lindi-: aiight, thanks Aug 24 20:47:40 how dealing with this error as attempting `opkg update` on FSO freshly updated with shr.bearstech.com feeds ? Aug 24 20:47:49 * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/all//Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 24 20:49:02 I'm supposed to file bugs on zhone on the openmoko trac? Aug 24 20:49:13 I find one zhone bug there and it's closed;) Aug 24 20:49:59 anyone know if the lovely awesome gtk dialer is being further developed? Aug 24 20:50:05 ;) Aug 24 21:02:09 b0ef: well, they want to continue using it in the SHR, AFAIK Aug 24 21:03:04 I think I'm never going to understand openmoko;) Aug 24 21:03:18 there isn't some alternative dialer, btw?;) Aug 24 21:03:20 b0ef: it’s not openmoko, it’s some guys from the community Aug 24 21:03:33 but it took me a while to understand the different distributions and groups myself. Aug 24 21:03:52 right, but I don't understand the rationale of f.ex opkg Aug 24 21:04:07 like why didn't the go debian from the first moment?;) Aug 24 21:04:10 someone for pointed me to a way of understanding feed upgrade with FSO ? Aug 24 21:05:05 maybe they had a good idea, but I can't find any rationale for it Aug 24 21:06:53 Dumb dbus question: when you plug in a USB keyboard (with host mode set), is there a dbus event, and assuming there is, what is it? Aug 24 21:08:58 retracile: not without hal at least, with hal there might be some, but you probably have to manually enable host mode first, and all what I’m saying is probably just uneducated guesswork :) Aug 24 21:09:55 nomeata: enabling host mode first is acceptable. Aug 24 21:10:14 retracile: ok, then hal should do what you want. Aug 24 21:10:36 My FR stills go to suspend on ram, even with zhone killed... xset -a activate do the same.... How can I disable this suspend ? Aug 24 21:10:37 Basically, the idlenotifier opens all the /dev/input/event* files on boot, but if you plug in a USB keyboard, it doesn't notice. Aug 24 21:11:27 retracile: good point, I think you can get some nice patch going there Aug 24 21:11:34 w_erase: sorry, no idea Aug 24 21:11:41 well, I’m off. good luck you two Aug 24 21:11:47 * retracile waves Aug 24 21:11:47 thx Aug 24 21:13:10 w_erase: what do you have in /etc/frameworkd.conf, [odeviced.idlenotifier] section for 'suspend = ..'? Aug 24 21:14:35 I have no [odeviced.idlenotifier] Aug 24 21:14:59 w_erase: what distro are you using? Aug 24 21:15:02 FSO Aug 24 21:15:42 Try adding that section with 'suspend = 0', and reboot. No guarantees, but that /might/ help. Aug 24 21:15:46 (built whit mokomakefile Aug 24 21:16:12 w_erase: I'm using Debian which has fso packages, but I don't know how different they are. Aug 24 21:16:59 retracile, if i kill frameworkd and odeviced... the FR might not go to suspend on ram, right ? Aug 24 21:18:01 Hm... I don't see an odeviced on mine. Aug 24 21:18:04 debian use FSOm2, while the FSO used by w_erase seems to be up to date Aug 24 21:18:26 on FSOm2, zhone do the suspend Aug 24 21:18:40 TeXitoi: What are the differences/where are they described? Aug 24 21:18:50 TeXitoi, I killed it, and FR stills go to PM... this is strange Aug 24 21:18:52 in the roadmap, it is sayed that frameworkd will improve syspend Aug 24 21:19:20 so maybe with lastest FSO, frameworkd do the suspend Aug 24 21:19:41 retracile: don't know, should be on the log commit Aug 24 21:19:43 I'll kill them both and see what happens Aug 24 21:28:31 TeXitoi, I killed both zhone and frameworkd... an FR stills go to suspend RAM after 20 secondes idle.. Aug 24 21:28:46 Mmm, strange Aug 24 21:28:51 I don't know Aug 24 21:29:15 Isn't there some X screensaver or thing like that ( see : xset s {on|off} ) Aug 24 21:29:17 maybe you can search in the process running one that can do that Aug 24 21:29:42 I don't think the xserver can do a suspend Aug 24 21:30:18 I'll continue killing processes Aug 24 21:30:22 until that stops Aug 24 21:30:31 maybe a process that is still allive (zhone or frameworkd), or apmd or something like that Aug 24 21:30:35 ;-) Aug 24 21:30:53 (hidden from ps & top then) Aug 24 21:31:00 :( Aug 24 21:31:04 good luck Aug 24 21:32:58 my SDHC card erases itself under FSo milestone2 Aug 24 21:33:25 is there a reported bug somewhere for more detailled information? Aug 24 21:34:16 TeXitoi, what is ompower ? you know this one ? Aug 24 21:34:24 lambda: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 Aug 24 21:34:40 lambda: but there is not so much thing to read :( Aug 24 21:35:06 w_erase: no, but can be the next killed ;-) Aug 24 21:35:20 TeXitoi, solved !! Aug 24 21:35:20 well, I go to sleep Aug 24 21:35:22 by Aug 24 21:35:23 Thx Aug 24 21:35:24 w_erase: :) Aug 24 21:35:48 welcome Aug 24 21:36:31 thx TeXitoi Aug 24 22:49:15 retracile_ still there? Aug 25 00:12:59 roh: am now.... Aug 25 00:13:09 (for a few minutes, anyway) Aug 25 01:22:33 flashed the fso-image for the first time a few minutes ago Aug 25 01:22:36 GUYS! Aug 25 01:22:40 awesome work! Aug 25 01:23:06 sure it rocks Aug 25 01:25:19 anyone using fso-unstable? how's the current state? Aug 25 01:25:29 Not sure what fso-unstable is Aug 25 01:25:36 But I compiled from oe.dev Aug 25 01:25:44 so, I guess that would be unstable Aug 25 01:25:48 http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ Aug 25 01:25:51 i use fso-testing Aug 25 01:26:22 lambda: cool, which day's are you using? Aug 25 01:26:44 24th Aug 25 01:26:46 man, these thousands of different versions sure don't fail to confuse me ;-) Aug 25 01:27:00 how do I atually delete an SMS in zhone? Aug 25 01:27:19 i have 6244 packages available :-O Aug 25 01:27:37 what package is that keyboard in? Aug 25 01:28:04 I'd like to add Japanese input (although I believe that will prove rather difficult) Aug 25 01:28:37 Laibsch, illume-keyboards-default - 0.0+svnr170-r11 - Aug 25 01:28:37 illume-keyboards-numbers - 0.0+svnr170-r11 - ? Aug 25 01:28:50 ok, thanks Aug 25 01:29:02 I'll take a look when I get the chance **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 25 02:59:57 2008