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Aug 26 06:58:33 <methril> morning
Aug 26 11:08:40 <Ainulindale> mickey|tv ?
Aug 26 11:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: all: For EMI-Noise see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/noise_stopped_by_cut_pin4/ for a rework actually stopping noise
Aug 26 11:48:12 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Will you marry me ?
Aug 26 11:48:23 <Ainulindale> I'm heterosexual and almost married but I don't care :-p
Aug 26 11:48:32 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Aug 26 11:48:40 <Ainulindale> Though
Aug 26 11:48:43 <Ainulindale> You put a .doc there
Aug 26 11:48:47 <Ainulindale> Could you put a .odt ?
Aug 26 11:48:54 <DocScrutinizer> mompl
Aug 26 11:48:56 <Ainulindale> :->
Aug 26 11:49:13 <Ainulindale> Did you eventually figured how this would be managed regarding warranty ?
Aug 26 11:49:26 <Ainulindale> Because I'm as skilled with that kind of stuff as a racoon
Aug 26 11:49:30 <ike> His nick says it all. If he had nick like OdtScrutinizer.. or PdfScrutinizer...
Aug 26 11:49:41 <CM_work> Or pdf :)
Aug 26 11:50:02 <DocScrutinizer> mpffff
Aug 26 11:50:21 <Ainulindale> Yeah, I knew Joerg was a microsoft zealot !
Aug 26 11:54:30 <DocScrutinizer> what you're talking about? look again!
Aug 26 11:55:26 <Ainulindale> haha :-)
Aug 26 11:55:52 <Ainulindale> Well, in any case DocScrutinizer 
Aug 26 11:56:18 <Ainulindale> Did you figure how end users should get that rework given that it's proved effective ?
Aug 26 11:56:21 <Ainulindale> +out
Aug 26 11:57:24 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: nope, under progress. Just want to keep you updated as soon as possible. This is no rework recommendation!!!
Aug 26 11:58:39 <Ainulindale> I understand that
Aug 26 11:59:38 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: as long as a viable solution is found :-)
Aug 26 12:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: also desoldering of JK4401 probably needs tools and skills we find at very few of our customers. It probably has to be done at a decent EE-bench equipped for SMT
Aug 26 12:03:49 <Ainulindale> I was pretty sure about that kind of thing
Aug 26 12:03:58 <Ainulindale> I'm sure we'll figure out a solution
Aug 26 12:04:00 <torindel> SMD you mean
Aug 26 12:04:13 <Ainulindale> Right now it's my biggest problem because I *want* to use my freerunner as a day to day phone
Aug 26 12:04:29 <Ainulindale> If I don't I won't be able to pinpoint the problems and needed modifications I want to do
Aug 26 12:08:06 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: Surface Mount Technology
Aug 26 12:08:55 <Ainulindale> (I wasn't the one asking the question)
Aug 26 12:09:03 <Ainulindale> (I'm as fluent in electronics as in german)
Aug 26 12:09:22 <Ainulindale> (though I did a bit of numerical electronic stuff)
Aug 26 12:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> oh, sorry
Aug 26 12:17:06 <torindel> SMD's have 3 names: SMD (device) = SMC (component) = SMT (technology) -__-
Aug 26 12:17:59 * torindel didnt even known, as here we call them SMD only
Aug 26 12:42:43 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: (warranty) that's a job for Steve (I guess). I'm *just* hw-wizard ;-)
Aug 26 12:43:13 <rwhitby> morning
Aug 26 12:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Aug 26 13:43:41 <thexception> hi
Aug 26 13:45:02 <thexception> i've problems  with booting the kernel on freerunner. first boot runs fine then i need to remove and insert the battery that i can boot again otherwise he's stuck at "Starting kernel ..."
Aug 26 14:22:15 <thexception> or perhaps somebody can help me with the gsm problem that i only can make exactly one call on om2008 and then i only can receive calls until i log again into gsm
Aug 26 14:36:52 <RPStudent09> Hello, how is everyone?
Aug 26 14:37:48 <thexception> hi, thx fine and you?
Aug 26 14:38:48 <RPStudent09> I'm good, except I need a little bit of help compiling openmoko....
Aug 26 14:40:43 <RPStudent09> I keep getting this error with gcc-cross-initial.
Aug 26 14:41:41 <thexception> i'm struggling with a gsm problem but seems like the wrong time for asking for help...
Aug 26 14:41:44 <RPStudent09> NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1.2-r18: task do_compile: failed
Aug 26 14:41:44 <RPStudent09> ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
Aug 26 14:41:44 <RPStudent09> NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1.2: failed
Aug 26 14:41:44 <RPStudent09> ERROR: Build of /home/Cooldude1922/moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb do_compile failed
Aug 26 14:41:44 <RPStudent09> ERROR: Task 5668 (/home/Cooldude1922/moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb, do_compile) failed
Aug 26 14:41:46 <RPStudent09> NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 322 tasks of which 322 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed.
Aug 26 14:41:48 <RPStudent09> ERROR: '/home/Cooldude1922/moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb' failed
Aug 26 14:41:50 <RPStudent09> NOTE: build 200808260637: completed
Aug 26 14:41:52 <RPStudent09> make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1
Aug 26 14:41:59 <RPStudent09> CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THAT!?!?!?!?!?
Aug 26 14:43:43 <RPStudent09> I'm begging anyone, if you know how to fix that, please don't hesitate to tell me.
Aug 26 15:04:49 <johnsu01> hm, will qtopia really not do anything if there is no sim card in?
Aug 26 15:05:09 <johnsu01> I just get the No Network message and none of the icons work
Aug 26 15:29:16 <thexception> is there a way to see which gsm commands are sent and received?
Aug 26 15:32:49 <lindi-> thexception: strace?
Aug 26 15:35:58 <thexception> if you could help me a bit: i need to know why my calls fail
Aug 26 15:36:20 <thexception> i hoped to see there some error or similiar
Aug 26 16:22:01 <cbrake> has the FSO effort addressed switching between headset and MIC/speaker yet?  Just wondering if any mechanisms/API's defined.
Aug 26 16:24:21 <mickeyl> well, mostly everything is in place, just needs an additional rule in oeventsd and a call to change a mixer control in a scenario in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio
Aug 26 16:24:30 <mickeyl> i guess 2 hours of concentrated work and then it's done
Aug 26 16:24:41 <mickeyl> i'm fighing with poll-free battery notifications atm. though
Aug 26 16:25:01 <mickeyl> i should be able to do this until we release ms3
Aug 26 16:25:07 <mickeyl> please add me a ticket
Aug 26 16:25:12 <mickeyl> (if there is not one already)
Aug 26 16:37:57 <cbrake> done, thanks
Aug 26 16:41:43 <bricode> Any h/w devs kicking around here?
Aug 26 16:47:20 <thexception> cya
Aug 26 17:40:48 <wurp2|working> MarcOChapeau: How are you?
Aug 26 17:41:25 <wurp2|working> Do you know the status on dialer3?  If you've run out of time to work on it I'd like to try to get someone else (possibly me) on it
Aug 26 19:46:26 <MarcOChapeau> wurp2|working: I'm fine. I'd say dialer3 is stalled atm. the package split is done. the urgency would be to get talking.c in libframeworkd-phonegui-gtk to work.
Aug 26 19:47:14 <MarcOChapeau> wurp2|working: this kind of C syntax is too much for me atm, but if you're familiar with it it should be ok
Aug 26 19:47:39 <wurp2|working> MarcOChapeau: OK, thanks much for the update
Aug 26 19:48:29 <wurp2|working> I'm pretty sure I can handle that... if you can tell me the best way to see the problem, I'll get someone started on it or work on it myself
Aug 26 20:41:52 <wurp2|working> write_erase: Hey there - I saw you added yourself to the SHR wiki page
Aug 26 20:41:57 <wurp2|working> Did you sign up at shr-devel?
Aug 26 20:42:03 <wurp2|working> on projects.om.org
Aug 26 21:00:58 <write_erase> hi wurp2|working  ... not yet.... At the moment, I try to understand all the components of SHR and the way it builds ... 
Aug 26 21:01:23 <write_erase> I'll subscribe shr-devel soon 
Aug 26 21:06:24 <wurp2|working> rwhitby: You left tokyo?
Aug 26 21:06:38 <wurp2|working> write_erase: OK... are you Olivier?
Aug 26 21:07:19 <rwhitby-tokyo> wurp2|working: no, couple more days.
Aug 26 21:07:32 <rwhitby-tokyo> seems my IRC bouncer doesn't retain a manually set nick ...
Aug 26 21:08:06 <wurp2|working> ah
Aug 26 21:08:12 <wurp2|working> How are you liking it?
Aug 26 21:08:28 <wurp2|working> You're a gaijin, right?
Aug 26 21:08:33 <rwhitby-tokyo> Hai
Aug 26 21:08:58 <wurp2|working> Is prejudice a problem?
Aug 26 21:09:02 <write_erase> wurp2|working, yes I am 
Aug 26 21:09:03 <rwhitby-tokyo> Been here three times before - I like Tokyo.
Aug 26 21:09:08 <wurp2|working> excellent
Aug 26 21:09:27 <wurp2|working> The things I read online about japan seem to imply that there's a fairly significant prejudice against non-japanese
Aug 26 21:09:50 <wurp2|working> s/imply/outright say/
Aug 26 21:10:05 <rwhitby-tokyo> heh - those types of opinions are usually written by people who expect people in Japan to speak American ;-)
Aug 26 21:10:34 <rwhitby-tokyo> (instead of realising that they themselves are the foreigner)
Aug 26 21:13:12 <wurp2|working> Oh, the stuff I was looking at showed pics of signs, with translations like "Japanese only"
Aug 26 21:13:43 <wurp2|working> And prejudices against ethnic groups within Japan
Aug 26 21:13:54 <wurp2|working> But, all of those appeared to be for countryside regions
Aug 26 21:14:05 <wurp2|working> And, I have no real experience at all, just random crap I've read on the web
Aug 26 21:14:23 <wurp2|working> It's nice to hear in-person experience to the contrary
Aug 26 21:14:47 <wurp2|working> write_erase: You're approved for shr-devel
Aug 26 21:19:23 <write_erase> wurp2|working, thx !
Aug 26 21:32:15 <Quadduc> What would be the quickest way to make and test a change in the source code of e.g. openmoko-dialer2? The prebuilt toolchain complains in doesn't find all packages needed, so I'm stuck...
Aug 26 21:45:34 <aleix> hi
Aug 26 21:52:29 <aleix> wurp2|working: hi, i've just read your email about dialer3. about the dev environment, last week i setup an environment based on the FSO Makefile and SHR (with modifications to conform to OE).
Aug 26 21:54:42 <aleix> wurp2|working: i've just seen your answer on my email right now. i'm on holiday this week, but i'm planning to finish the shr build for next week
Aug 26 21:56:17 <aleix> wurp2|working: what is the work that needs to be done for dialer3? (more or less) may be i can help with that
Aug 26 22:00:02 <sirkha_top> how are the fso milestones releases related to the say 2008.8 line, is it a start from scratch sort of thing? (ie going all the way back to openembedded) or was it built on to the 2007.2 line, or what
Aug 26 22:05:37 <pjz> sirkha_top: read the wiki
Aug 26 22:05:55 <pjz> sirkha_top: specifically the Distributions page will help you
Aug 26 22:08:25 <wurp2|working> aleix: Sorry for the slow response
Aug 26 22:08:54 <wurp2|working> aleix: The only info I know is what was in the email (problems w/ talking.c)
Aug 26 22:09:06 <wurp2|working> If you see MarcOchapeau online he may know more
Aug 26 22:09:31 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: FSO milestones are unrelated to 2008.8 for the forseeable future
Aug 26 22:11:38 <wurp2|working> aleix: If I can't get the info about what remains in dialer3 from MarcOChapeau, my plan was just to build & install it, then try it.
Aug 26 22:11:59 <wurp2|working> I'm guessing based on what Marc said that the talking UI either doesn't come up or doesn't work properly
Aug 26 22:12:31 <wurp2|working> aleix: Feel free to contact me with any questions you have.  I know the architecture and plan for dialer3 pretty well
Aug 26 22:12:47 <sirkha_top> right, i know that they are different, i was just wondering *how* different
Aug 26 22:13:04 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: Other than both being based on OE and E17, totally different
Aug 26 22:13:10 <sirkha_top> ok
Aug 26 22:13:14 <sirkha_top> thats what i was wondering
Aug 26 22:13:23 <sirkha_top> (its a good thing, imho)
Aug 26 22:13:39 <wurp2|working> FSO is a mostly python set of services to provide standardized & convenient access to the phone hardware via dbus
Aug 26 22:13:47 <sirkha_top> right
Aug 26 22:13:57 <wurp2|working> with the simplest UI app they could throw together to demonstrate the back end
Aug 26 22:14:04 <wurp2|working> I'm not really sure what 2008.8 is :-)
Aug 26 22:14:17 <sirkha_top> but i was wondering what the milestone releases included for the part on the framework block diagram as "kernel"
Aug 26 22:14:26 <sirkha_top> sort off
Aug 26 22:14:28 <sirkha_top> sort of
Aug 26 22:14:37 <wurp2|working> It seems to be a mixture of an effort to migrate 2007.2 apps to E17 & a new launcher, installer, etc.
Aug 26 22:14:40 <sirkha_top> but the answer seems to be Open embedded
Aug 26 22:15:11 <wurp2|working> and an effort to make Qtopia work as an app under X, so you can treat it as just another phone app
Aug 26 22:15:16 <sirkha_top> i have wondered if they were planning on porting to things away form python once things are sort of settled
Aug 26 22:15:40 <sirkha_top> i think the next time i will put something new on my phone will be your shr
Aug 26 22:16:13 <sirkha_top> itmt, i am gonna play with some illume-gadgets that work with dbus
Aug 26 22:16:26 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: I think the plan is to port things away from python if they have meaningful performance issues that they can't fix with targeted updates
Aug 26 22:16:27 <sirkha_top> and figure out if i can get a dbus based network manager going on my laptop
Aug 26 22:16:36 <wurp2|working> Otherwise I think the plan is to stay python
Aug 26 22:16:45 <sirkha_top> ah
Aug 26 22:17:00 <wurp2|working> shr seems to be stalled right now... I hope to get it going again
Aug 26 22:17:10 <sirkha_top> saw you talking with marc
Aug 26 22:17:17 <wurp2|working> But my only role on dbus is instigator, cheerleader & documenter
Aug 26 22:17:37 <sirkha_top> i've found that i suck at anything beyond writing UIs
Aug 26 22:17:42 <wurp2|working> It's really Ainulindale and MarcOChapeau's dbus, with help from rwhitby, mwester, and a host of others
Aug 26 22:17:46 <sirkha_top> unless its on the web
Aug 26 22:18:01 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: You have GTK UI experience?
Aug 26 22:18:05 <sirkha_top> no
Aug 26 22:18:08 <wurp2|working> dammit
Aug 26 22:18:16 <wurp2|working> 'cause afaik that's all we're stalled on
Aug 26 22:18:20 <wurp2|working> my problem is lack of time
Aug 26 22:18:22 <sirkha_top> when i say writing UIs i don't even mean in software
Aug 26 22:18:28 <wurp2|working> Ah, design
Aug 26 22:18:42 <wurp2|working> Which is a very nice skill to have, but for now we're just duping the dialer2 design
Aug 26 22:18:48 <sirkha_top> i did write a gtk interface ... maybe 5 years ago?
Aug 26 22:18:53 <wurp2|working> heh
Aug 26 22:18:54 <sirkha_top> yeah
Aug 26 22:19:01 <wurp2|working> I've written gtk interfaces, they're just crap
Aug 26 22:19:25 <sirkha_top> i've done stuff with edje more recently, and i am trying to pick up ewl
Aug 26 22:19:29 <wurp2|working> 'cause I was in a hurry and I don't have the right kind of patience to keep futzing with things to make them prettier/more enjoyable to use
Aug 26 22:20:00 <sirkha_top> though edje has evolved almost beyond recognition since when i last played with it
Aug 26 22:20:17 <wurp2|working> Yeah, I keep toying with the idea of adding the new stuff we need to Zhone rather than working on dialer3
Aug 26 22:20:23 <wurp2|working> There was an evolution to dialer3
Aug 26 22:20:42 <sirkha_top> so what exactly has it stalled?
Aug 26 22:20:51 <wurp2|working> First we thought we could write an adapter.  Julien (Ainulindale) then indicated he was confident that couldn't be done
Aug 26 22:21:02 <wurp2|working> Finishing the UI code for dialer3
Aug 26 22:21:29 <sirkha_top> hmm
Aug 26 22:21:31 <wurp2|working> Pin code entry works (which is actually one of the harder parts, because of the weird event flow) and the dialer
Aug 26 22:21:41 <wurp2|working> But something, I'm not sure what, is wrong with the talking UI
Aug 26 22:22:16 <wurp2|working> Anyway, after we realized we couldn't write an adapter from phonekit to FSO, we decided to switch dialer3 to hit FSO's interface instead
Aug 26 22:22:26 <aleix> wurp2|working: btw, i do have gtk ui experience...not a lot, but i did a gnome applet to control media players (with plugins...)
Aug 26 22:22:53 <wurp2|working> And they decided they really had to rewrite much of dialer2 to do that; they couldn't just alter the calls to phonekit
Aug 26 22:23:02 <wurp2|working> aleix: excellent news
Aug 26 22:23:31 <wurp2|working> I don't know the specifics of why it needed the rewrite, other than how phonekit is embedded in dialer2
Aug 26 22:23:48 <wurp2|working> (the phonekit dbus server is tangled w/ dialer2)
Aug 26 22:23:55 <aleix> wurp2|working: the first thing i wanted to do is having a dev environment common to everyone
Aug 26 22:24:18 <wurp2|working> So the back end of the rewrite, code to conveniently access all of the FSO dbus interface, is all done afaik
Aug 26 22:24:20 <aleix> i think that right now it is possible to merge my work from the last week and fix dialer3 from there
Aug 26 22:24:35 <wurp2|working> rwhitby-tokyo: Is it possible to build SHR from mokomake now?
Aug 26 22:24:50 <wurp2|working> aleix: OK, great
Aug 26 22:25:08 <aleix> wurp2|working: it is possible to build shr with fso makefile
Aug 26 22:25:14 <wurp2|working> If you have a dev process that works, feel free to overwrite the process on the shr development wiki page with yours
Aug 26 22:25:27 <wurp2|working> aleix: That sounds as if it should be the basis of the dev process, then
Aug 26 22:25:47 <aleix> wurp2|working: yep, but i need rwhitby-tokyo to update the makefile, and access to the svn to update shr to use OE layout
Aug 26 22:25:56 <wurp2|working> aleix: But I thought rwhitby-tokyo was creating a target in mokomake that would directly build shr with no significant modifications
Aug 26 22:26:09 <wurp2|working> Update to which svn?
Aug 26 22:26:13 <wurp2|working> shr?
Aug 26 22:26:39 <aleix> wurp2|working: i sent patches to him (rwhitby-tokyo), but i'm not sure if he has had the time to look at them
Aug 26 22:26:45 <aleix> yep, shr svn
Aug 26 22:27:03 <aleix> i already did the changes localy
Aug 26 22:27:09 <wurp2|working> aleix: Did you give your public key to Julien (Ainulindale)?
Aug 26 22:27:37 <aleix> no, i'd rather someone to look at it before commiting... i don't want to break anything
Aug 26 22:27:43 <aleix> :-)
Aug 26 22:28:13 <wurp2|working> aleix: You could still send your public key to Julien, to get your access
Aug 26 22:28:30 <aleix> wurp2|working: ok, then i'll send it to him
Aug 26 22:28:47 <wurp2|working> aleix: Can you email me the diffs?  Or, really... afaik no one is doing anything on shr at the moment
Aug 26 22:29:32 <wurp2|working> Once I see the diffs, if they don't affect lfg, I think you should check them in
Aug 26 22:29:36 <wurp2|working> You're the man :-)
Aug 26 22:29:49 <aleix> well, the diffs are basically directory moves... and some files added (shr-image.bb)
Aug 26 22:30:06 <wurp2|working> If the diffs are all in the UI part, I don't even need to see them
Aug 26 22:30:19 <wurp2|working> Oh, that might be important, then, if you're moving directories
Aug 26 22:30:26 <aleix> wurp2|working: yep
Aug 26 22:30:32 <wurp2|working> Are you just changing it to make it consistent with OE stuff?
Aug 26 22:30:33 <aleix> wurp2|working: to use the OE leyout
Aug 26 22:30:36 <aleix> yes
Aug 26 22:30:43 <aleix> and to be able to build and shr image
Aug 26 22:30:44 <wurp2|working> OK
Aug 26 22:30:55 <aleix> with update to code when things failed
Aug 26 22:31:02 <wurp2|working> In that case, please email the diffs to shr-devel
Aug 26 22:31:07 <aleix> then i can start with the ui part
Aug 26 22:31:14 <sirkha_top> the openmoko toolchain
Aug 26 22:31:31 <wurp2|working> nigelTheBold, Julien, or mw can look at them and see if they break things on their dev env
Aug 26 22:31:33 <sirkha_top> is that compatible with the fso milestone builds? how bout shr?
Aug 26 22:31:51 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: I think it should be compatible with either
Aug 26 22:31:58 <sirkha_top> k
Aug 26 22:32:14 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: But if your code talks to things that aren't on FSO, you may end up needing to install the world to get your stuff to work
Aug 26 22:32:31 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: And if your code needs phonekit, it's not gonna work on FSO or SHR
Aug 26 22:32:38 <sirkha_top> yeah
Aug 26 22:33:00 <sirkha_top> i was noticing that many dependencies are missing from the fso image
Aug 26 22:33:00 <wurp2|working> OK, I need to become wurp|driving_home
Aug 26 22:33:08 <wurp2|working> sirkha_top: Yeah, it's minimal
Aug 26 22:33:19 <sirkha_top> which is good, i suppose
Aug 26 22:33:21 <wurp2|working> It's very nice to see shr activity starting again :-)
Aug 26 22:33:34 <wurp2|working> Have a good night, everyone!
Aug 26 22:33:38 <aleix> wurp2|working: let's see :-)
Aug 26 22:33:38 <sirkha_top> and fso milestone 3 is supposedly coming up too
Aug 26 22:33:41 <sirkha_top> see you wurp
Aug 26 22:33:44 <aleix> wurp2|working:  good night
Aug 26 22:33:45 <wurp2|working> (or whatever time of day it is you're having where you are)
Aug 26 22:37:24 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r60aa73655142 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: add Charlie's fantastic tasklet module to patterns
Aug 26 22:37:25 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd7bcf13dcdd0 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 26 22:37:25 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: use introspection to implement org.freesmartphone.framework.ListObjectsByInterface(). Closes FSO #2
Aug 26 22:37:25 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: need to cleanup all references to saving the interface in the controller
Aug 26 22:38:12 <sirkha_top> mickeyl: tasklet?
Aug 26 22:38:41 <mickeyl> an amazing module that incorporates some newer python language features to hide the fact that we are calling things asynchronous
Aug 26 22:38:58 <sirkha_top> ah, a python thing
Aug 26 22:39:22 <mickeyl> yeah
Aug 26 22:40:08 <sirkha_top> thats neat, i am gonna start playing with a bluetooth module and app for e17
Aug 26 22:41:44 <mickeyl> cool. the whole network area i did not look at yet
Aug 26 22:42:00 <mickeyl> i hope i have a plan for action once i'm back from .tw
Aug 26 22:42:07 <sirkha_top> fun
Aug 26 22:42:27 <mickeyl> yeah, gsm, device, event, usage, preferences are framework phase 1
Aug 26 22:42:35 <mickeyl> phase 2 would be network and some more esoteric features
Aug 26 22:42:44 <mickeyl> and i hope that phase 2 is merely reusing someone else's code :D
Aug 26 22:43:03 <sirkha_top> you aren't actually planning on doing anything with bluetooth are you? just letting things go through bluez?
Aug 26 22:43:09 <sirkha_top> (other than power control, etc)
Aug 26 22:43:20 <mickeyl> well, lets say i need to do things bluez does not
Aug 26 22:43:38 <mickeyl> i.e. actual things like obex file transfer
Aug 26 22:43:46 <sirkha_top> ah
Aug 26 22:43:58 <mickeyl> and setting up some of the profiles
Aug 26 22:44:02 <mickeyl> (rfcomm/pan)
Aug 26 22:44:09 <sirkha_top> bluez 4 is now out, too
Aug 26 22:44:15 <mickeyl> oh, wow
Aug 26 22:44:16 <sirkha_top> don't know what new it does
Aug 26 22:44:19 <mickeyl> need to look at that
Aug 26 22:45:03 <sirkha_top> they had a big thing about pulse audio integration on their front page, too
Aug 26 22:45:03 <cb22> @topic: buzz issue?
Aug 26 22:45:37 <mickeyl> yeah, bluez and pulse are nicely integrated now
Aug 26 22:45:43 <mickeyl> unfortunately pulse still is a killer for us
Aug 26 22:45:49 <sirkha_top> howso?
Aug 26 22:45:57 <mickeyl> sloooooooow---aaaaaaaaaas-molasses
Aug 26 22:46:01 <sirkha_top> ah
Aug 26 22:46:16 <sirkha_top> (i thought it was supposed to be fast, isn't that the point? weird)
Aug 26 22:46:16 <mickeyl> i guess someone needs to invest cash to optimize it
Aug 26 22:46:23 <cb22> mickeyl, the solution is obvious, write a perfect lightweight sound daemon :p
Aug 26 22:46:29 <mickeyl> ah yes
Aug 26 22:46:36 <mickeyl> what the world needs is another sound daemon :D
Aug 26 22:46:49 <cb22> yasd - yet another sound daemon
Aug 26 22:46:52 <mickeyl> I'll start tomorrow... doing it in python, of course
Aug 26 22:46:54 <mickeyl> pysd
Aug 26 22:47:02 <sirkha_top> pronounced pissed
Aug 26 22:47:03 <cb22> naturally. what else
Aug 26 22:47:05 <mickeyl> hahaha
Aug 26 22:47:44 <cb22> who needs a sound daemon anyway? cat /dev/random >> /dev/dsp
Aug 26 22:48:12 <mickeyl> heh
Aug 26 22:48:16 <mickeyl> how i'd love to have hardware mixing :/
Aug 26 22:48:29 <mickeyl> all this alsa scenario crap with its 1000 mixer controls is making me really sick
Aug 26 22:48:57 <sirkha_top> yeah, i don't get the thousand mixer controls
Aug 26 22:51:21 <sirkha_top> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_alsamixer
Aug 26 22:51:40 <cb22> don't suppose anyone here plans on attending http://conference.osgeo.org/foss4g/2008 ?
Aug 26 22:52:04 <sirkha_top> where is cape town?
Aug 26 22:52:10 <cb22> south africa
Aug 26 22:52:16 <sirkha_top> then... no
Aug 26 22:52:30 <sirkha_top> my leash is 400 miles around where i am
Aug 26 22:52:37 <cb22> heh, i'm all alone down here :(
Aug 26 22:53:53 <mickeyl> my motivation to travel is exhausted. remaining places to go this year are Berlin (MDD'08), .tw (Openmoko strategic meeting), Munich (SYSTEMS'08). That should be it
Aug 26 22:54:02 <mickeyl> anyways, g'night folks
Aug 26 22:54:09 <cb22> night mickey|zzZZzz 
Aug 26 22:55:47 <Weiss> i still don't quite understand the branches available at http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=summary - is org.openmoko.dev still 2007.2? it seems to be in active development more than expected. which one is the "bleeding edge" state of ASU?
Aug 27 00:11:30 <thexception> hi
Aug 27 00:13:37 <thexception> i've the problem that after the first call no more outgoing calls are possible. incoming calls work. using gsm manually i can make as many calls i want. is this a known bug?
Aug 27 00:56:28 <RPStudent09> hello.
Aug 27 00:56:48 <RPStudent09> I was wondering if someone could help me with an issue I'm having....
Aug 27 00:56:56 <RPStudent09> NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1.2-r18: task do_compile: failed
Aug 27 00:56:56 <RPStudent09> ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
Aug 27 00:56:56 <RPStudent09> NOTE: package gcc-cross-initial-4.1.2: failed
Aug 27 00:56:56 <RPStudent09> ERROR: Build of /home/Cooldude1922/moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb do_compile failed
Aug 27 00:56:56 <RPStudent09> ERROR: Task 5668 (/home/Cooldude1922/moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb, do_compile) failed
Aug 27 00:56:58 <RPStudent09> NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 322 tasks of which 322 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed.
Aug 27 00:57:00 <RPStudent09> ERROR: '/home/Cooldude1922/moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb' failed
Aug 27 00:57:02 <RPStudent09> NOTE: build 200808260637: completed
Aug 27 00:57:05 <RPStudent09> make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1
Aug 27 01:04:19 <RPStudent09> hello?
Aug 27 01:08:08 <RPStudent09> can someone help me?
Aug 27 01:33:31 <Quadduc> In libgsmd_sms.c, there's a function unpacking_7bit_character. How am I supposed to know the length of the resulting string?
Aug 27 01:36:21 <RPStudent09> hello.
Aug 27 01:41:17 <Quadduc> The "i" returned is always == src->length, which might be longer than the resulting string because the function cuts out any header. The null termination is also useless because the message might contain null characters ("@"). So how to get the length?
Aug 27 02:39:26 <tunys> hiya guys!
Aug 27 02:40:09 <tunys> My FreeRunner's on its way, and I wanna help with the OM project
Aug 27 02:40:23 <tunys> so when I get my FreeRunner, what can I do to get started?
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