**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 18 02:59:57 2008 Sep 18 03:01:32 rwhitby: I have been digging around in some thin threads to get a clue here. Sep 18 03:02:44 rwhitby: I havn't done anything (that I can think of) out of the ordinary. I just pulled the source, and didn't even modify the code.. Some people are saying, ignore the errors the ipkg is still generated.. This not the case for me.. Sep 18 03:03:17 Any hints would be great.. Sep 18 03:20:31 scarlson: is TEMP being set in the chroot? Sep 18 03:23:35 ack.. not sure Sep 18 03:25:38 tmzt_ where is the chroot set? Sep 18 03:28:54 How can I check this.. man I\m still on the steep end of the learning curve Sep 18 03:29:39 not sure, I looked through the python before and some of the stuff that sets up the environment, but I don't know where it is set Sep 18 03:31:42 I have no environment variables called TEMP or TMPDIR Sep 18 03:32:24 But the paths in these .pc filess that it complaining about, appear exist and are legit. Sep 18 03:32:59 Back at, the QA ERROR.. Build Failed , no package. heh Sep 18 03:35:04 you don't have anything for echo $TEMP at your standard bash prompt? Sep 18 03:46:42 nope its empty Sep 18 03:49:17 did a make update-makefile Sep 18 03:50:15 and a bitbake -c build xserver-kdrive-glamo Sep 18 03:50:33 643 tasks.. Maybe it will be fixed.?1 Sep 18 03:54:12 argh Sep 18 03:54:23 its too late Sep 18 03:54:26 good night Sep 18 04:02:36 Durn. Well, that kinda tells it all, doesn't it: Sep 18 04:03:49 Sent a text message to my Neo while I was watching the debug logs. The message to debit my AT&T account for the incoming text message showed up immediately. The text message itself lagged by almost ten minutes... Sep 18 05:27:01 scarlson: sorry, it would normally be /tmp, bitbake clears most environment variables but I think it leaves TEMP alone (??) Sep 18 08:33:00 Crap, I'm so tired I can't even remember the path of the git repository for push/pull on freesmartphone Sep 18 08:35:27 Ainulindale : git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework.git :) Sep 18 08:37:56 that's what I was using Sep 18 08:38:01 (Temporary failure in name resolution) Sep 18 08:38:16 (with git@ Sep 18 08:38:34 (and without, connection refused) Sep 18 08:38:38 (I'm tired, it seems) Sep 18 08:38:53 ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework.git Sep 18 08:38:57 try this one then Sep 18 08:39:16 Ah, well Sep 18 08:39:20 I should have tried Sep 18 08:40:05 this is the ssh access logged as 'git' :) Sep 18 08:40:32 Yes, I know Sep 18 08:40:34 but as I stated Sep 18 08:40:41 I'm m ainly trying to stick my head out of my ass Sep 18 08:40:46 ahah Sep 18 08:40:53 (Coffee is helping in the process) Sep 18 08:41:02 I woke up late to go to work (9:30) Sep 18 08:46:01 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r78772850cd32 10/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Sep 18 08:46:01 freesmartphone.org: Included patches from quickdev and Andrease. Thanks to you both ! Sep 18 08:46:01 freesmartphone.org: These patches do the following : Sep 18 08:46:01 freesmartphone.org: - Update of the Call specs. Sep 18 08:46:01 freesmartphone.org: - Fix of segfault for misplaced free(). Sep 18 08:46:04 freesmartphone.org: - Fix of a typo for release/released Sep 18 08:46:46 My turn to spam Sep 18 09:32:47 I'm trying to set up a development environment on kubuntu (with KDE4.1, if that matters). following the guide at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain. I'm getting told that gconf2 and libmokoui2 are not found when running the om-conf project_name step. Sep 18 09:33:33 they ARE installed. I've tried setting the PATH variable to include /usr/lib/libmokoui2 but I still get told the package is missing. Sep 18 09:38:57 by the way charlie137 Sep 18 09:39:01 profiles aren't working Sep 18 09:39:36 Ainulindale: what's the problem ? Sep 18 09:44:20 charlie137: it's not working :-) Sep 18 09:44:26 in silent and default I still have the ringtone Sep 18 09:44:39 I didn't even look at the default parameters Sep 18 09:44:46 So either they're wrong or there's a bug Sep 18 09:44:49 (ms3) Sep 18 09:54:05 Ainulindale: I will have a look at this Sep 18 09:54:23 (used to work, but there has been changes in the event system) Sep 18 10:11:09 Ainulindale: ok i see Sep 18 10:11:26 the ring-volume is not considered in the ring_tone event Sep 18 10:11:51 I remember, when I coded it the first time i didn't know how to set the volume using the Audio interface Sep 18 10:12:12 so i just used to cases : volume =0 or volume != 0 Sep 18 10:12:25 mickey removed this part Sep 18 10:14:30 how can we set the volume of the audio without dealing with alsa scenario ? Sep 18 10:14:36 need to check that... Sep 18 10:17:43 sgrover: Did you try the deb file? Sep 18 10:23:35 AndreasD: from the "5 minute" link? That looked out of date - seemed to be targeting 2007.2. I have 2008.8 on my FR. Sep 18 10:24:08 well it is a bit outdated, but it should be easy to get started Sep 18 10:24:15 (though I'm new at the dev end like this - I'm a web dev) Sep 18 10:24:29 I've just updated the link to a new version of the deb Sep 18 10:24:47 I'll update the rest of the guide in the weekend Sep 18 10:25:46 Thanks. Didn't realize that was YOUR page... :) Sep 18 10:25:58 grabbing the .deb now Sep 18 10:27:17 hmm seems like I wasn't quite finished be sure to get: http://smartere.dk/openmoko/openmoko-toolchain_0.20080521-ubuntu6_i386.deb Sep 18 10:28:02 should be updated now Sep 18 10:35:43 Thanks AndreasD - that om-conf step is working fine now. Sep 18 10:35:58 I'm sure I'll hot another wall soon. But that's for tomorrow. :) Sep 18 10:36:07 (4:30 am here.. time for bed...) Sep 18 11:10:02 charlie137: I posted about that Sep 18 11:10:08 I don't think volume is relevant Sep 18 11:10:15 Because setting volume isn't precise enough Sep 18 11:10:23 You ought to load scenarii Sep 18 11:10:53 Ainulindale: yes, but should it be one scenario per volume level ? Sep 18 11:11:42 or is there a way to dynamically create scenario for different volume with optimal parameters ? Sep 18 11:12:25 What I suggested is the following Sep 18 11:12:40 We should define events which are intended to trigger a change in audio scenario Sep 18 11:13:01 And then define exhaustively the different type of scenarii Sep 18 11:13:12 E.g. : "Talking", "Default", "Ringing" Sep 18 11:13:29 On the events possibly triggering a scenario Sep 18 11:13:44 We indicate in opreferencesd/oeventsd : AudioScenario : pathofthescenario Sep 18 11:13:55 right Sep 18 11:13:56 That way the user can precisely custom the scenario according to his needs Sep 18 11:14:00 And it's pretty simple to implement Sep 18 11:14:04 i agree Sep 18 11:14:12 And I'm willing to work with you on that if you wish Sep 18 11:14:17 sure Sep 18 11:14:27 I don't know alsa scenario very much Sep 18 11:14:50 I think scenario loading should be handled in odeviced Sep 18 11:14:56 so you mean we should remove the volume configuration parameter ? Sep 18 11:15:03 Exactly Sep 18 11:15:29 The other option is to build a grammar to be able to modify sound settings Sep 18 11:15:33 yes Sep 18 11:15:37 i was thinking about this Sep 18 11:15:38 Because devices can have different audio inputs/outputs Sep 18 11:15:49 And we won't be able to tell which one is the one to modify Sep 18 11:15:51 isn't there by chance any library to edit alsa scenario ? Sep 18 11:16:00 An alsa scenario is pretty simple Sep 18 11:16:04 It's mostly a text file Sep 18 11:16:37 charlie137: in fact I think the user should be able to define in a simple way these things Sep 18 11:16:56 First thing I would build a file to map inputs/outputs to name Sep 18 11:17:14 I.e. : map the speaker output to "Speaker" for example Sep 18 11:17:20 And the mic input to "Microphone" Sep 18 11:17:26 ok Sep 18 11:17:32 Then build a descriptive grammar for the user Sep 18 11:17:42 To allow him to write text configuration (xml, whatever) of his scenarii Sep 18 11:17:46 i.e. : Talking Sep 18 11:17:52 "Microphone : 100" Sep 18 11:17:55 "Speaker : 0" Sep 18 11:18:00 "Hearphone : 100" Sep 18 11:18:12 for that we can use the preference system Sep 18 11:18:22 That way we define a short list of outputs/inputs we need Sep 18 11:18:28 And we map them according to the audio device Sep 18 11:18:38 And we just tell to odeviced : load this scenario Sep 18 11:18:52 And odeviced maps the inputs/outputs to the right settings in alsa Sep 18 11:19:05 It's either that or ship custom alsa scenarii per device Sep 18 11:19:22 The descriptive grammar should also allow "moving" scenarii Sep 18 11:19:39 e.g. fading in ringtones Sep 18 11:20:00 thoughts ? Sep 18 11:20:34 need to read about alsa and alsa scenarii Sep 18 11:20:46 There's no real thing to know Sep 18 11:20:49 It's quite simple Sep 18 11:20:59 If you just want to do it easily you can wrap alsactl at first Sep 18 11:21:14 how can you do a sound fading out ? Sep 18 11:21:22 fading in, not out Sep 18 11:21:28 just setting a timer modifying the volume Sep 18 11:21:31 There's no other way Sep 18 11:21:39 ok :) Sep 18 11:22:11 I thought about that because I think, and I think mickey|zzZZzz agreed with me on that some time ago, that it would be difficult to ship scenarii for each type of audio device Sep 18 11:22:31 And the way I describe it, we only ship one set of scenarii, and mapping between inputs/outputs for each device Sep 18 11:22:32 what about a way to create alsa scenarii "on the fly" Sep 18 11:22:44 To what end ? Sep 18 11:23:02 so that we can modify the volume in real time Sep 18 11:23:05 User-initiated events such as "speaker" ? Sep 18 11:23:23 charlie137: pretty easy once what I described is implemented Sep 18 11:23:42 If you defined a "Speaker", "Hearphone", and "Microphone" volume Sep 18 11:23:54 Which are abstract and not related to an actual device Sep 18 11:24:23 You can just try to lower the volume you want to lower and odeviced will make the actual opperation Sep 18 11:24:26 -p Sep 18 11:24:37 hu Sep 18 11:24:43 So as an example a software using frameworkd will display a slider for hearphone out Sep 18 11:24:49 If you twiddle with this slider Sep 18 11:25:02 IT will call frameworkd to tell "change the value of hearphone" Sep 18 11:25:14 odeviced will then do the mapping "Hearphone" => "Wave out" Sep 18 11:25:14 ok Sep 18 11:25:20 and modify the value Sep 18 11:25:36 modify the value in the scenario file then ? Sep 18 11:27:07 found this : http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/node/14 Sep 18 11:27:30 not in the scenario Sep 18 11:27:42 but realtime on the device Sep 18 11:27:48 there's no need to edit a scenario at first Sep 18 11:28:04 only reason you have to modify a scenario is if you want to modify the default values Sep 18 11:28:08 and we can build a gui for that Sep 18 11:28:25 ok i get it now Sep 18 11:28:50 I could explain it to you in french if needed :-) Sep 18 11:28:54 ahah Sep 18 11:29:07 no no thanks, my french spelling is getting bad Sep 18 11:29:46 did you check the link Sep 18 11:29:48 I can sum up what we told here on the mainling list if you want Sep 18 11:29:53 yes please Sep 18 11:30:11 because I know mickey though a litlle about this already Sep 18 11:33:12 but anyway you are right, we need this kind of abstraction of the device Sep 18 11:44:30 charlie137: mail posted Sep 18 11:44:42 feel free to answer and add what you told if I forgot something Sep 18 11:47:22 Ainulindale: sure Sep 18 11:47:39 I want to hear what mickey thinks about it too Sep 18 11:52:28 Ok :-) Sep 18 12:04:15 Hello Sep 18 12:07:47 Ainulindale, you committed some minutes ago? Sep 18 12:13:55 quickdev: yawhol ! Sep 18 12:14:01 sorry for the delay Sep 18 12:14:37 Ainulindale, thanks :) I just sent you an email..could you have a look? It's quite simple Sep 18 12:20:49 How do I add a package in shr OpenEmbedded? I want fuse for quick development on the phone with editing on my pc Sep 18 12:21:07 quickdev: I'll do that Sep 18 12:22:08 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rc05c0282fbb0 10/src/frameworkd-glib-device.c: Applied auto-fix patch from quickdev, thanks again. Sep 18 12:22:20 quickdev: done Sep 18 12:22:31 Ainulindale, thanks :) Sep 18 12:32:45 Ainulindale, sometimes I get InvalidIndex error from the functions sim_send_auth_code() and sim_unlock(). Do you know why this happens? Sep 18 12:34:04 Check the debug log from ogsmd Sep 18 12:34:12 It may be a SIM related error Sep 18 13:24:32 Anyone uses mickeyterm for the GSM mux access? I find it rather fragile with some commands being ignored or failing to return a reply Sep 18 13:28:15 Ainulindale, we talked shortly about ophonekitd. What do you think about the flexible solution to define a 'extern void phonegui_display_pin_UI(int status)' for example in order to replace '#include ' ? Sep 18 13:31:13 quickdev: As I told you before Sep 18 13:31:15 There's already that Sep 18 13:31:17 And if not Sep 18 13:31:23 Someone changed what shouldn't be changed Sep 18 13:31:26 Because I intended it that way Sep 18 13:31:48 Oh, there is Sep 18 13:31:52 check frameworkd-phonegui.h Sep 18 13:31:58 in libframeworkd-glib-gtk Sep 18 13:32:02 hmm Sep 18 13:32:05 s/glib/phonegui/ Sep 18 13:32:31 And in ophonekitd Sep 18 13:32:32 #include Sep 18 13:32:53 Though this header should be installed by libframeworkd-glib Sep 18 13:33:13 Ainulindale, don't you see the gtk header? Sep 18 13:33:20 Where ? Sep 18 13:33:46 in ophonekitd - shoudn't ophenkitd be implemented user interface agnostic? Sep 18 13:34:12 THe header is not gtk dependent Sep 18 13:34:20 The culprit is the person who modified the package Sep 18 13:34:28 To install the headers in the wrong place Sep 18 13:34:35 the header should be installed by frameworkd-glib Sep 18 13:35:16 And it seems it's AndreasD :-) Sep 18 13:37:38 ok, then it's more clear. I'm going to build my libframework-phonegui-efl and link it with ophonekitd, right? Sep 18 13:38:15 Exactly :-) Sep 18 13:38:49 And if you're motivated enough to modify ophonekitd to be able to read a conf file and load the library accordingly Sep 18 13:38:56 It will be nice :-) Sep 18 13:40:29 Ainulindale, yes, that would be better. So ophonekitd might be a package and libframework-phonegui-gtk and libframework-phonegui-efl additional ones, which might be changed by a config file. Sep 18 13:41:10 That way we would get two seperate binaries for ophonekitd and phonegui lib Sep 18 13:41:19 Hmmm Sep 18 13:41:21 No Sep 18 13:41:22 One binary Sep 18 13:41:26 Several libraries Sep 18 13:41:44 Either way libframeworkd-phonegui-* things are already isolated Sep 18 13:41:47 Ainulindale, a library is more or less a binary ;) Sep 18 13:41:52 We just have to figure out a way to use them as plugins Sep 18 13:41:57 quickdev: I'd rather distinct that :-) Sep 18 13:42:13 yeah, ok, thing are clear now Sep 18 15:02:55 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rcee8114fe8fa 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.6 Sep 18 15:33:18 mickeyl, where can I find the newest kernel for fso where suspend works? Sep 18 15:34:16 downloads.openmoko.org... Sep 18 15:34:21 framework/releases/milestone3 Sep 18 15:37:09 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfc9343f746ac 10/fsod/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Simplify things a bit. Delete subsystem.vala to simplify things Sep 18 15:37:10 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3acc5080970a 10/fsod/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Sep 18 15:37:10 freesmartphone.org: Subsystem factories should take in the Service object Sep 18 15:37:10 freesmartphone.org: Maintain a hashmap of the loaded objects Sep 18 15:52:09 Ainulindale, we talked about dbus exception/error handling? need to fix that in order to go on with ophonekitd - a few minutes for me? Sep 18 15:53:11 I'm currently on conference Sep 18 15:53:17 But as I told you before Sep 18 15:53:23 It should be handled the same way the other errors are Sep 18 15:55:46 yeah, but there are some differences Sep 18 16:02:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rfc0089aaac15 10/src/zhone: add warning regarding the state of the program Sep 18 16:07:36 which differences ? Sep 18 16:10:54 Ainulindale, could you have a look: http://rafb.net/p/AjEqz438.html ? Sep 18 16:13:33 Ainulindale, a better solution? Sep 18 16:30:16 random question: when running qemu, things about "softmmu" come up in the terminal. is that "softmmu" as in "qemu has to pretend that the emulated hardware has an MMU of its own" or "qemu isn't bothering to emulate an MMU at all so the OS being run has to cope"? Sep 18 16:36:21 Linux doesn't boot without an MMU Sep 18 16:36:35 so it's emulation. Sep 18 16:37:42 cjb: but qemu is emulating a hardware MMU? (i.e. this isn't like the floating point emulation done by the kernel) Sep 18 16:40:27 Weiss: "things about "softmmu""? Sep 18 16:41:15 lindi-: i haven't run qemu for a while, but i think the command to execute qemu was something like "qemu-arm-softmmu". i'm curious because i've been learning about how the FP emulation works, and wanted to know if this was similar Sep 18 16:42:59 ./qemu-0.9.1/configure:289: --disable-system) softmmu="no" Sep 18 16:43:00 ./qemu-0.9.1/configure:291: --enable-system) softmmu="yes" Sep 18 16:44:19 Weiss: read the file with "Software MMU support" Sep 18 16:45:51 will do, thanks Sep 18 16:47:01 Ainulindale, I sent you an email. Please have a look Sep 18 16:57:48 mwester: btw, I definitely don't get the 30 second (or even 2 minute) cycles of losing & reconnecting to the cell network that you do Sep 18 17:00:36 I'm special. Sep 18 17:01:02 BTW, another data point that may be significant: It stopped doing that late last night. Sep 18 17:01:08 It's back again now. Sep 18 17:01:49 Looking at the bug report, those reporting it who also note locations, have cities that I would imagine to have heavy cell traffic. Sep 18 17:03:19 So I am now suspicious that the frequency of the hopping may be related to the device being near to more than one tower with "reasonable" signal quality from each, and the towers being sufficiently busy that something (perhaps on orders from the tower itself?) causes the calypso to move to another tower. Sep 18 17:03:58 intereting theory Sep 18 17:04:02 might want to spice #1024 with it? Sep 18 17:04:11 In other words, we may not have a problem at all; this may be normal functioning of the GSM -- the problem then being that it is erroneously reporting this detail to us when we would rather not know. Sep 18 17:04:38 hmm Sep 18 17:04:41 I'm still gathering data on this, don't want to prematurely get hopes up :) Sep 18 17:04:42 i doubt it's normal Sep 18 17:04:56 as i have several other cell phones right besides Sep 18 17:04:59 and they don't emit the problem Sep 18 17:05:07 How do you know? Sep 18 17:05:07 with the FR i actually miss calls Sep 18 17:05:10 Ah. Sep 18 17:05:17 never had this happening with the others Sep 18 17:05:54 mwester: I lose connection, but I don't see the message you were talking about where it says it has no connection Sep 18 17:05:56 Ok, that is a problem then; I've been testing with SMS messages (cheaper than phone calls), and I've not observed missed calls. Sep 18 17:06:06 sorry, work intervened... let me read the backlog Sep 18 17:07:18 <|FiLiP|> mwester: cell-towers do have the ability to instruct the handset to change tower Sep 18 17:08:04 I wonder if there's a %EM mode command that would indicate the reason for the de-register and register events... Sep 18 17:08:53 <|FiLiP|> not sure what happens when you change band in a dualband network Sep 18 17:10:12 Qtopia is the only distro (I think) that supports band selection; I wonder if I switch to 1800MHz only, if that will alter any of the symptoms. Sep 18 17:12:00 at%band doesn't change things Sep 18 17:12:17 tried that here Sep 18 17:12:18 Doesn't work on the calypso, or doesn't change the symptoms? Sep 18 17:12:24 doesn't change the symptoms Sep 18 17:12:27 works fine Sep 18 17:12:32 Ok. Sep 18 17:13:38 Looking at the logs, it appears that it stayed quiet -- with a few %CSQ reports -- for as long as an hour at a time in the middle of the night. Sep 18 17:13:47 correct Sep 18 17:13:49 observed the same Sep 18 17:13:54 sometimes it stops to oscillate Sep 18 17:13:55 out of the blue Sep 18 17:13:58 stays ok for hours Sep 18 17:14:02 then -- suddenly -- starts again Sep 18 17:14:09 so your theory makes sense to me Sep 18 17:15:52 I need more data... :) this is too tantalizing to leave as-is. I think I'm going to begin to log key events to persistent storage, and see what I can glean from mutliple days of data, maybe even on multiple devices. Sep 18 17:17:05 If my theory is right, I'm still confused as to why it would report the same LAC and CI as the previous registration event so often; I would think that would identify a cell site, and if its switching it would be differnet all th time. Sep 18 17:17:25 Unless the protocol allows the phone to attempt to re-register, and return to the original cell site if it fails. Sep 18 17:17:59 yeah Sep 18 17:18:04 we need operator input on that Sep 18 17:38:33 mwester: I had the same behaviour a while ago Sep 18 17:38:42 mwester: cell disconnection/connection Sep 18 17:38:59 mickeyl: Could you give your thoughts on the audio profile thing on standards ? Sep 18 17:39:07 i try to Sep 18 17:39:14 huge mail backlog here Sep 18 17:39:20 and preparing for the flight on sunday Sep 18 17:39:21 I'm sure you have :-) Sep 18 17:39:31 mickeyl: It's pretty short Sep 18 17:39:41 let me discuss this with Charlie in person Sep 18 17:39:44 meeting him next week Sep 18 17:39:50 I know, I know Sep 18 17:39:54 heh Sep 18 17:39:57 You'll enjoy his french accent Sep 18 17:39:58 you're well informed Sep 18 17:40:00 heheh Sep 18 17:40:22 mickeyl: anyway I thought about this a lot, as in "what would I like" if I was an user Sep 18 17:40:36 And what I described in my mail is the result of what I would like to be able to do and what I think is doable Sep 18 17:40:53 ok, sounds good Sep 18 17:41:08 And also because I can't stand your ringtone Sep 18 17:41:11 hahaha Sep 18 17:41:13 And I'm too lazy to change it Sep 18 17:41:22 And I want this f@~!king silent profile :-) Sep 18 17:41:35 *nod* Sep 18 17:41:56 But for now Sep 18 17:42:00 I'm going to drink beers with friends Sep 18 17:42:04 So see you later :-) Sep 18 17:42:05 good plan. enjoy! Sep 18 17:55:20 <|FiLiP|> mwester: http://pastebin.com/m1899bf69 is my GSM log of this afternoon; not sure if it helps. Some remarks: it starts at the office, drove back home (only 2km), observed it will home: not one single logmessage for hours; while I had several at the office. Home=poor signal (only 1 bar), office is excellent signal. Sep 18 18:02:19 I am trying to build an application withthe latest toolchain (20080916) and it seems I have problem with the STL. I have a lot of errors about iostream and vector. Sep 18 18:02:27 iostream: No such file or directory Sep 18 18:03:31 Also I need a system library which is libusb so how can I link to libus if it is not in the toolchain: "usb.h: No such file or directory" Sep 18 18:49:00 I have been able to install new libraries in the toolchain with opkg-target. But I still have problem compiling everything that involves C++, such as iostreams and STL. Sep 18 18:49:15 Is there a package I could install that includes these? Sep 18 19:56:37 Hey Sep 18 19:56:46 Ainulindale, did you look at it? :) Sep 18 19:57:18 mention if I'm expecting too much activity from you ;) Sep 18 22:31:55 wurp2|gone: you should work more Sep 18 22:32:16 not today, I shouldn't Sep 18 22:32:29 I think I'm gonna quit my job and become a bum anyway Sep 18 22:32:35 What happened ? Sep 18 22:32:46 I'm just tired of working Sep 18 22:32:47 And you're far too competent to become a bum Sep 18 22:32:54 So stop whining Sep 18 22:32:57 hah Sep 18 22:33:02 And get some real job to the extent of your abilities Sep 18 22:33:06 well, I want to stay home and play on what I want to play on Sep 18 22:33:22 instead of doing stupid boring crap for airlines (or pharamaceuticals, or...) Sep 18 22:33:30 I know that feeling Sep 18 22:33:52 I would love to get a real job to the extent of my abilities Sep 18 22:33:55 That's why I do what I have to do as quick as possible Sep 18 22:33:56 But they pay crap Sep 18 22:34:02 And do what I want to do the rest of the time Sep 18 22:34:10 Speaking of doing what I want... Sep 18 22:34:15 g'night :-) Sep 18 22:34:24 'Night to you Sep 18 22:36:47 Hello guys Sep 18 22:37:01 I'm day 2 into my mokobuild.. Sep 18 22:37:14 I finally got xserver-kdrive-glamo to build Sep 18 22:37:27 but, I end up with an OPK instead of a IPK. Sep 18 22:37:30 Is that normal? Sep 18 23:19:01 Is there anyone around tonight? Sep 18 23:54:48 morning Sep 18 23:55:31 mickey|tv: ping - were you going to do an announcement email? Sep 18 23:56:35 * raster announces... that pants are on **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 19 02:59:57 2008