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Sep 30 05:40:01 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbafec1ed6af6 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: implement closing the modem.
Sep 30 06:11:01 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc0a11270ffd4 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: Added the WaitFileReady tasklet
Sep 30 06:45:02 <alphaone> mickey|tw: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/134
Sep 30 06:45:34 <mickey|tw> thanks
Sep 30 06:45:36 <mickey|tw> interesting
Sep 30 06:45:39 <mickey|tw> need to think about that
Sep 30 06:47:08 * mwester patched that because the messages in the log were annoying.
Sep 30 06:47:45 <mwester> But sven's patch is much nicer.
Sep 30 07:02:53 <mickey|tw> HMM
Sep 30 07:02:56 <mickey|tw> ok, i like that
Sep 30 07:03:03 <mickey|tw> (returning empty list there)
Sep 30 07:05:47 <mickey|tw> although i don't think it's purely calypso
Sep 30 07:05:57 <mickey|tw> so I will add support for this as a possible way to react in the abstract modem
Sep 30 07:13:38 <methril> G'Morning
Sep 30 07:13:47 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r77955c070629 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (om.py ubx.py): 
Sep 30 07:13:47 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: GTA02Device: Sleep after turning on the chip
Sep 30 07:13:47 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Make sure the GPS is ready to accept commands after powering it on
Sep 30 07:26:02 <write_erase> hi
Sep 30 07:28:20 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r11392b1d2ee3 10/src/zhone: fix missed method renames
Sep 30 07:29:26 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdf84c48ba7b1 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
Sep 30 07:29:26 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Supress org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotFound as a possible response to
Sep 30 07:29:26 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook -- instead send an empty list.
Sep 30 07:30:23 <methril> write_erase how is going the splash?
Sep 30 07:30:49 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07specs * rb58bb46167b7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Usage: document new signal ResouceAvailable and changed method RequestResource
Sep 30 07:34:56 <write_erase> methril, kernel is patched now... .config work in progress ... There is some bootsplash dependendancy on VESA_FB. I have to fix that ... Hope I can compile this kernel tomorrow 
Sep 30 07:40:16 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc1c9e312a1ec 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: 
Sep 30 07:40:16 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: sms.py: Don't encode the last 7 bit if they are padding
Sep 30 07:40:16 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: This fixes a bug where the end of the message had a '@' character
Sep 30 07:40:16 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: appended to it. This would always happen when the message was of such a
Sep 30 07:40:17 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: length that the last bit of the character was encoded in a new byte. The
Sep 30 07:40:19 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: remaining 7bit would then also get decoded (all zero -> @).
Sep 30 10:10:55 <quickdev> Hey
Sep 30 10:37:28 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r09ac291c8885 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: Cleaned code a little
Sep 30 11:10:00 <Hire> hello
Sep 30 11:17:00 <write_erase> hi Hire 
Sep 30 11:33:18 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd30387c091df 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/abstract/unsolicited.py objects.py): 
Sep 30 11:33:18 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: send org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.MemoryFull on corresponding
Sep 30 11:33:18 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: incoming CMS ERROR 322
Sep 30 11:45:37 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r86a660108f98 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: Added simple messages mechanism between tasklets
Sep 30 12:16:32 <quickdev> Ainulindale, have you had your lunch? :)
Sep 30 12:25:47 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes but I have to call a customer
Sep 30 12:38:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rdae7be57cae6 10/src/ogsmd/ (7 files): 
Sep 30 12:38:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Applied patches from quickdev :
Sep 30 12:38:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: - fixed marshalling
Sep 30 12:38:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: - Added dbus error
Sep 30 12:38:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: - fix incomingmessage signal
Sep 30 12:38:22 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Thanks quickdev !
Sep 30 12:55:31 <quickdev> Ainulindale, will you have time to do some work on ousaged today? If not, I'm going to try it ;)
Sep 30 12:59:56 <Ainulindale> Unfortunately right now I think I won't be able to
Sep 30 13:00:07 <Ainulindale> If you do that could you first try to build an abstract for dbus in general ?
Sep 30 13:00:16 <Ainulindale> with dbus_connect_to_ogsmd, dbus_connect_to_ousaged, etc
Sep 30 13:01:29 <quickdev> Ainulindale, that's what I wanted to do
Sep 30 13:03:16 <Ainulindale> That's good then :-)
Sep 30 16:21:06 <Sup3rkiddo> mickey|tw, there, sort of important
Sep 30 16:31:02 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rbc9567781f3d 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/display/Makefile.am: Fix makefile
Sep 30 18:02:48 <edistar> lpotter: ping
Sep 30 18:05:05 <lpotter> pong
Sep 30 18:05:14 <edistar> lpotter: where can I download 4.4?
Sep 30 18:05:36 <edistar> it's been released according to trolltech.com ;)
Sep 30 18:05:49 <lpotter> the open source wil lbe made available a few days after the commercial release
Sep 30 18:06:00 <lpotter> it will be at qtextended.org
Sep 30 18:06:10 <edistar> ah, okey thanks
Sep 30 18:06:18 <edistar> I just want the binary, not the source ;)
Sep 30 18:06:30 <edistar> why do commercial customers get it first?
Sep 30 18:08:36 <lpotter> so it makes them feel better
Sep 30 18:10:24 <edistar> ah
Sep 30 18:10:30 <edistar> and it makes the community feel worse :P
Sep 30 18:11:18 <lpotter> yes, well its always been Trolltech policy to do this
Sep 30 18:11:48 <lpotter> and not much really can be done in 3 days.... I dont understand it myself. but hey, I am just a pawn
Sep 30 18:11:50 <edistar> don't worry :)
Sep 30 18:12:57 <edistar> will it have cool features though?
Sep 30 18:22:28 <lpotter> of course!
Sep 30 18:23:11 <Hire> the ui
Sep 30 18:24:35 <Hire> (20:04:41) lpotter: the open source wil lbe made available a few days after the commercial release <-- when the commercial release?
Sep 30 18:25:39 <edistar> today
Sep 30 18:26:15 <Hire> so...
Sep 30 18:27:05 <Hire> perfect
Sep 30 18:27:45 <Hire> however we need a new ui :/
Sep 30 18:27:51 <Hire> or a theme
Sep 30 18:28:17 <Hire> because the default theme is... ehm... seem too old
Sep 30 18:28:24 <Hire> we need a tango theme style
Sep 30 18:28:29 <Hire> or oxygen style
Sep 30 18:33:38 <edistar> well, there were to themes, right?
Sep 30 18:53:46 <muc3x> morning...
Sep 30 18:55:20 <muc3x> is it true that there's currently a dependency-problem with libcaca0 and libcucul0 or am i doing anything wrong?
Sep 30 18:55:41 <lindi-> muc3x: yes, i have reported a bug
Sep 30 18:55:59 <lindi-> muc3x: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500492
Sep 30 19:00:27 <paulproteus> ieatlint, BTW, I think I *will* see you at tonight's SF OpenMoko meetup.
Sep 30 19:15:27 <lpotter> Hire: yes. I am working on getting the sources available at qtextended.org. once that goes live, it will be available
Sep 30 19:16:02 <Hire> yes yes it is ok :D
Sep 30 19:16:09 <Hire> don't worry, get your time :)
Sep 30 21:34:45 <quickdev> Ainulindale? :)
Sep 30 21:40:54 <Ainulindale> Yes ?
Sep 30 21:41:03 <Ainulindale> You're lucky I just went in
Sep 30 21:41:36 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I implemented ousaged_request_resource() and it calls the callback
Sep 30 21:41:50 <Ainulindale> and ?
Sep 30 21:42:02 <quickdev> but I get a GError without message, with domain = NULL and a random number as code
Sep 30 21:42:06 <quickdev> have you already had that situation?
Sep 30 21:42:18 <Ainulindale> My bet is you didn't use the right marshalling
Sep 30 21:42:25 <Ainulindale> Did you generate the equivalent to my dbus/ dir ?
Sep 30 21:42:40 <yabo> Hello
Sep 30 21:42:40 <Ainulindale> (using dbus-binding-tool -mode=client etc...)
Sep 30 21:42:46 <quickdev> I downloaded the ousaged.xml and used dbus-binding-tool
Sep 30 21:42:53 <quickdev> do I have to use genmarshal?
Sep 30 21:43:06 <Ainulindale> Not if the signature is simple
Sep 30 21:43:30 <quickdev> nothing is returned - is that simple enough? :)
Sep 30 21:43:34 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Sep 30 21:43:36 <Ainulindale> Kind of :-)
Sep 30 21:43:37 <yabo> python on qtopia anyone? I've managed to install the python core, but i also want the most common modules (ie the ones that come with the python.org-package). i reckon i could just copy the .py files to the lib-dir, but how would that work with extended modules (c-wrappers)?
Sep 30 21:43:55 <quickdev> Ainulindale, is there something to debug the message sent through dbus?
Sep 30 21:43:56 <Ainulindale> quickdev: it may be that you didn't turn the antenna on ?
Sep 30 21:44:07 <Ainulindale> I don't know which process has been chosen for initialization
Sep 30 21:44:17 <Ainulindale> quickdev: none that I know of
Sep 30 21:44:26 <quickdev> Ainulindale, requestResource('GSM') should be called befored setAntenna 
Sep 30 21:44:29 <Ainulindale> But you could debug ousaged
Sep 30 21:44:41 <Ainulindale> quickdev: ok I see 
Sep 30 21:44:46 <Ainulindale> Is zhone working with that ?
Sep 30 21:44:57 <quickdev> yes - and mdbus works fine, too
Sep 30 21:45:00 <quickdev> without any error
Sep 30 21:45:04 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Sep 30 21:45:05 <quickdev> root@om-gta02:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.RequestResource "'GSM'"
Sep 30 21:45:06 <quickdev> root@om-gta02:~# 
Sep 30 21:45:07 <Ainulindale> could i see your code ?
Sep 30 21:45:12 <quickdev> of course
Sep 30 21:45:34 <Ainulindale> why did you put "'GSM'" ?
Sep 30 21:45:37 <Ainulindale> And not just "GSM" ?
Sep 30 21:46:05 <Ainulindale> (not that it's relevant but it's weird)
Sep 30 21:46:47 <quickdev> Ainulindale, because the shell removes the ' otherwise..try it ;) mdbus will report a type error
Sep 30 21:47:01 <Ainulindale> weird I didn't notice anything like that before
Sep 30 21:47:05 <Ainulindale> (using mdbus)
Sep 30 21:48:59 <quickdev> Ainulindale, you've got an email
Sep 30 21:50:02 <Ainulindale> is dialer marshal list really useful for usaged ?
Sep 30 21:50:05 <Ainulindale> (I don't think so)
Sep 30 21:50:17 <Ainulindale> (or just for one type)
Sep 30 21:50:43 <quickdev> I haven't cleaned the whole thing yet
Sep 30 21:50:54 <quickdev> and you're right, yes
Sep 30 21:50:59 <Ainulindale> so
Sep 30 21:51:06 <Ainulindale> You'll have to check that your bus exists
Sep 30 21:51:13 <Ainulindale> (could be that it doesn't)
Sep 30 21:51:39 <Ainulindale> And check that it's "RESOURCE" and not "RESOURECE" :-op
Sep 30 21:51:42 <Ainulindale> :-p
Sep 30 21:52:00 <quickdev> just a debug message ;)
Sep 30 21:52:01 <Ainulindale> (it feels as if I was looking at my own debugs)
Sep 30 21:52:12 <Ainulindale> (except that I talk a lot more about bunnies and cucumbers in mine)
Sep 30 21:52:20 <quickdev> hrrr :)
Sep 30 21:52:44 <quickdev> I'll check the bus
Sep 30 21:52:46 <Ainulindale> I guess you should step by step your piece of code to see if ousaged has been rightfully initiated
Sep 30 21:52:52 <Ainulindale> s/initiated/initialized/
Sep 30 21:53:40 <Ainulindale> But I don't see why it shouldn't be
Sep 30 21:54:07 <quickdev> do step by step what?
Sep 30 21:54:25 <Ainulindale> step by step debug
Sep 30 21:54:29 <Ainulindale> using gdb
Sep 30 21:54:38 <quickdev> ousagedBus is not null
Sep 30 21:54:39 <Ainulindale> or just try to printf ousagedBus
Sep 30 21:54:48 <quickdev>  ousagedBus: 141656
Sep 30 21:55:05 <Ainulindale> Then you should put the log level to verbose in ousaged
Sep 30 21:55:08 <Ainulindale> and check what it says
Sep 30 21:55:09 <quickdev> I read the frameworkd debug log....the method is actually called!
Sep 30 21:55:16 <Ainulindale> and ?
Sep 30 21:55:28 <quickdev> I did...the only problem is the strange GError
Sep 30 21:55:37 <quickdev> no errors on frameworkd side
Sep 30 21:55:59 <Ainulindale> so you tell me GError != null ?
Sep 30 21:56:08 <Ainulindale> but domain = null
Sep 30 21:56:19 <quickdev> yes, correct
Sep 30 21:56:34 <quickdev> Unknown dbus error: , (null), code 1073874928
Sep 30 21:56:46 <quickdev> lose ("%s: %s, %s, code %d", prefix, error->message, g_quark_to_string(error->domain), error->code);
Sep 30 21:56:52 <quickdev> message, domain, code
Sep 30 21:57:12 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Sep 30 21:57:20 <Ainulindale> that's weird
Sep 30 21:58:21 <quickdev> there could only be two possibilities? ousaged sends the wrong error or libframeword-glib parses not correct
Sep 30 21:58:36 <Ainulindale> if you receive an error with no message that's weird
Sep 30 21:58:40 <Ainulindale> and if you receive an error
Sep 30 21:58:44 <Ainulindale> either dbus-glib is failing to do some stuff
Sep 30 21:58:48 <Ainulindale> or frameworkd sends an actual error
Sep 30 21:59:23 <Ainulindale> because I can't see why dbus_error being not null and error message being null could go together
Sep 30 21:59:30 <Ainulindale> as I know each and every error is typed
Sep 30 22:00:09 <Ainulindale> so if it's weird I guess we could put this on the code reorganization you did
Sep 30 22:00:12 <Ainulindale> maybe you changed some things
Sep 30 22:00:33 <Ainulindale> (I just say that because I spent two days forgetting about a static)
Sep 30 22:01:06 <quickdev> I'll try if the other functions are working..if not, then it's a more general problem
Sep 30 22:02:04 <Ainulindale> Anyway it connects to the interface, right ?
Sep 30 22:02:37 <quickdev> yes
Sep 30 22:02:45 <Ainulindale> Oh
Sep 30 22:02:48 <Ainulindale> weird stuff :-)
Sep 30 22:02:55 <Ainulindale> check frameworkd-glib-ousaged.h
Sep 30 22:03:03 <quickdev> BUS_PATH...and so on are overwritten?
Sep 30 22:03:13 <Ainulindale> I think something will fail there :-p
Sep 30 22:03:28 <Ainulindale> two things in fact
Sep 30 22:03:56 <Ainulindale> BAD NIKLAS ! BAD BAD BAD ! :-)
Sep 30 22:04:10 <quickdev> argh :)
Sep 30 22:04:21 <quickdev> #ifndef FRAMEWORKD_GLIB_OGSMD_DEVICE_H
Sep 30 22:04:22 <Ainulindale> I think it's a linker problem
Sep 30 22:04:38 <quickdev> I'll fix that..
Sep 30 22:04:40 <Ainulindale> with the interface being null caused by the extern thing not being even declared
Sep 30 22:05:09 <Ainulindale> or something like that
Sep 30 22:05:23 <Ainulindale> quickdev: that and the prototypes :-)
Sep 30 22:06:09 <Ainulindale> also known as "how a five letters mistake can be a pain in the ass for a day"
Sep 30 22:08:58 <quickdev> Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/XA2JEe21.html
Sep 30 22:09:14 <Ainulindale> That's better :-)
Sep 30 22:09:22 <Ainulindale> Except there's one mistake
Sep 30 22:09:38 <Ainulindale> Going to let you pinpoint it I think
Sep 30 22:09:42 <Ainulindale> :-p
Sep 30 22:11:36 <Ainulindale> (your name is missing)
Sep 30 22:11:54 <Ainulindale> (I thought I didn't want you to look for a dumb mistake all night long :-p)
Sep 30 22:11:55 <quickdev> hehe ;)
Sep 30 22:12:04 <Ainulindale> Anyway
Sep 30 22:12:11 <Ainulindale> Going to do some stuff for an hour or so
Sep 30 22:12:19 <Ainulindale> I'll check every ten minutes your progress here
Sep 30 22:12:23 <Ainulindale> So feel free to ask any question
Sep 30 22:14:49 <quickdev> ok, fine, I'll highlight you :)
Sep 30 22:15:52 <quickdev> that one header file doesn't solve it...I'll look for other mistakes
Sep 30 22:21:12 <Ainulindale> quickdev: hmpf
Sep 30 22:22:16 <quickdev> Ainulindale, and btw. domain is not null, it's a random number...but g_quark_to_string() is null
Sep 30 22:22:30 <Ainulindale> That's mightly weird
Sep 30 22:22:36 <Ainulindale> Looks like bad marshalling
Sep 30 22:22:41 <quickdev> yes
Sep 30 22:23:29 <Ainulindale> Ah I see
Sep 30 22:23:30 <Ainulindale> That's normal
Sep 30 22:23:35 <Ainulindale> There's a return value
Sep 30 22:23:40 <Ainulindale> typedef void (*org_freesmartphone_Usage_request_resource_reply) (DBusGProxy *proxy, gboolean OUT_ok, GError *error, gpointer userdata);
Sep 30 22:23:45 <Ainulindale> What you have is a gboolean
Sep 30 22:24:03 <Ainulindale> Problem solved. Next ? :-p
Sep 30 22:24:17 <Ainulindale> (documentation is inconsistent)
Sep 30 22:24:22 <quickdev> aah :)
Sep 30 22:24:23 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz !
Sep 30 22:24:26 <Ainulindale> free hilight
Sep 30 22:24:27 <quickdev> mickey|zzZZzz, argh!
Sep 30 22:24:47 <quickdev> I just wanted to ask wether the ousaged.xml might be wrong
Sep 30 22:24:50 <Ainulindale> quickdev: check the prototypes defined by dbus-binding-tool, AND the xml
Sep 30 22:25:05 <Ainulindale> mickeyl often forgets to compile the html version of the xml
Sep 30 22:25:10 <Ainulindale> xml is right
Sep 30 22:25:25 <Ainulindale> otherwise the call wouldn't succeed
Sep 30 22:27:15 <quickdev> Ainulindale, thanks so much :) 
Sep 30 22:27:20 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Sep 30 22:27:34 <Ainulindale> I should thank you, you keep doing the work I'm supposed to do 
Sep 30 22:28:01 <quickdev> I should have a better look at the *.h files generated by the binding tool or the xml specs, hehe
Sep 30 22:28:12 <Ainulindale> About that...
Sep 30 22:28:13 <Ainulindale> I don't :-)
Sep 30 22:28:37 <Ainulindale> What you should do though is compile the documentation locally
Sep 30 22:29:34 <quickdev> mickey|zzZZzz should do that, too :)
Sep 30 22:29:40 <Ainulindale> Yep
Sep 30 22:29:42 <Ainulindale> But he's lazy
Sep 30 22:33:39 <quickdev> Ainulindale, it's working. I learn quite much these days :)
Sep 30 22:33:50 <Ainulindale> That's a good thing
Sep 30 22:34:54 <Ainulindale> quickdev: in the future, when I'll hopefully be available to do some stuff
Sep 30 22:34:55 <quickdev> Ainulindale, one question: http://rafb.net/p/hEtKFd74.html  Is "../" ok?
Sep 30 22:35:03 <Ainulindale> I hope I'll be able to implement the things you want 
Sep 30 22:35:07 <Ainulindale> To let you focus on your gui
Sep 30 22:35:18 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I personnaly don't care
Sep 30 22:35:37 <quickdev> ok
Sep 30 22:36:03 <quickdev> as long as I can implement it myself there's no problem - but there are problem as you've just seen :)
Sep 30 22:36:27 <Ainulindale> Yes but as you can see
Sep 30 22:36:29 <Ainulindale> It's tedious
Sep 30 22:36:34 <quickdev> may I ask you what your job is?
Sep 30 22:36:34 <Ainulindale> And that's why I had you do it :-p
Sep 30 22:36:45 <Ainulindale> IT Security Engineer
Sep 30 22:36:57 <Ainulindale> Mainly I work on Identity & Access Management problematics
Sep 30 22:37:09 <quickdev> very interesting :)
Sep 30 22:37:17 <Ainulindale> it depends on the client
Sep 30 22:37:28 <Ainulindale> I'm supposed to work for EADS these days
Sep 30 22:37:34 <Ainulindale> But I don't speak a word of german
Sep 30 22:37:42 <Ainulindale> It may be harmful :-)
Sep 30 22:37:53 <quickdev> EADS, not bad :)
Sep 30 22:38:08 <Ainulindale> (as in a sub-contractor)
Sep 30 22:38:12 <Ainulindale> (not directly)
Sep 30 22:38:35 <quickdev> what do you do most of the time? Find security problematics or do you implement / setup access management solutions?
Sep 30 22:38:59 <Ainulindale> These days I'm acting as an expert on the Oracle solution
Sep 30 22:39:09 <Ainulindale> To answer specifications for contract proposals
Sep 30 22:39:40 <Ainulindale> And to write down some technical architectures / habilitations model / technical answers
Sep 30 22:39:53 <Ainulindale> Because I'm moving on to a more "management" oriented job
Sep 30 22:40:37 <quickdev> is it exciting in general?
Sep 30 22:40:52 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Sep 30 22:40:54 <Ainulindale> It depends
Sep 30 22:40:57 <Ainulindale> Mostly no
Sep 30 22:41:02 <Ainulindale> Sometimes it is
Sep 30 22:41:08 <Ainulindale> But unfortunately not that often
Sep 30 22:41:14 <Ainulindale> but I guess it's the same with every job
Sep 30 22:41:25 <quickdev> probably, hehe
Sep 30 22:41:26 <Ainulindale> in lfg, duplicating the code I did is plain boring :-)
Sep 30 22:41:44 <quickdev> right :)
Sep 30 22:41:59 <Ainulindale> But investigating bugs, trying to think about some specific problems is far less boring :-)
Sep 30 22:42:51 <quickdev> that attitude is very valuable for coding
Sep 30 22:43:23 <Ainulindale> In fact, I'd rather debug and write down ideas than implement stuff
Sep 30 22:43:33 <Ainulindale> I'm just fed up with development
Sep 30 22:43:45 <Ainulindale> Sometimes I'm having coding frenzies
Sep 30 22:43:49 <Ainulindale> But not that often
Sep 30 22:43:54 <Ainulindale> (lfg being the result of one)
Sep 30 22:44:29 <quickdev> you should have more coding frenzies, hehe
Sep 30 22:45:01 <quickdev> I just remember a question I wanted to ask
Sep 30 22:45:01 <Ainulindale> Unfortunately, for that, a good team/workgroup emulation is necessary
Sep 30 22:45:10 <Ainulindale> And in SHR these days, nothing gets done :-)
Sep 30 22:45:52 <quickdev> openmoko-dialer/messages and ophonekitd atm. all use the same code to load the phonegui library. May I lay out that code into lf-glib?
Sep 30 22:46:23 <Ainulindale> You already asked that and I already answered yes :-)
Sep 30 22:46:37 <Ainulindale> And actually you're wrong
Sep 30 22:46:47 <Ainulindale> If it's been done as I think it has, it's linked against lfg/lfp
Sep 30 22:46:49 <quickdev> I didn't percept that answer or I forgot about it 
Sep 30 22:46:59 <Ainulindale> so there's no actual loading
Sep 30 22:47:04 <Ainulindale> even if it should
Sep 30 22:47:42 <quickdev> didn't we say that we want to have a ocnfiguration file that specifies the library that should be loaded?
Sep 30 22:47:43 <Ainulindale> My main goal was to identify functional bricks and to be able to configure which brick you wished to use for this or that functionnality
Sep 30 22:47:51 <Ainulindale> e.g. efl for dialer, gtk for messages, qt for whatever
Sep 30 22:48:20 <quickdev> fine idea
Sep 30 22:48:26 <Ainulindale> I don't know
Sep 30 22:48:33 <Ainulindale> I'm just keen on configuration files
Sep 30 22:48:43 <Ainulindale> The more I can do, the more I'll like the stuff
Sep 30 22:49:21 <quickdev> what did you mean by "linked agains lfg" ?
Sep 30 22:49:33 <quickdev> the phonegui library is loaded, not linked..?
Sep 30 22:50:48 <Ainulindale> for messages it isn't supposed to
Sep 30 22:50:57 <Ainulindale> as messages act as a standalone application of some sort
Sep 30 22:51:10 <Ainulindale> if we want to (and we'll want to) tear down that logic
Sep 30 22:51:22 <Ainulindale> we will need the same logic we used on phonegui
Sep 30 22:51:27 <Ainulindale> so we will need what you did
Sep 30 22:51:57 <quickdev> we need to define the loading functions in the applications and not in libframeword-glib?
Sep 30 22:52:11 <Ainulindale> No :-)
Sep 30 22:52:23 <quickdev> I can't follow you :)
Sep 30 22:52:29 <quickdev> what isn't messages supposed to?
Sep 30 22:52:40 <Ainulindale> Right now messages is special
Sep 30 22:52:54 <Ainulindale> Because I didn't do anything related to sms
Sep 30 22:53:19 <Ainulindale> I didn't think receiving messages could be worth it
Sep 30 22:53:27 <Ainulindale> as in the end, it will be transfered into PIM
Sep 30 22:53:34 <Ainulindale> thus loaded into any kind of messaging application
Sep 30 22:53:50 <Ainulindale> so I didn't take the time to defined headers to dynamically call UI from lfg
Sep 30 22:53:54 <Ainulindale> -d
Sep 30 22:54:01 <Ainulindale> for SMS related functions
Sep 30 22:54:12 <Ainulindale> i.e. "incoming message" : phonegui_incoming_message()
Sep 30 22:54:21 <Ainulindale> thus, messages3 is built differently 
Sep 30 22:54:28 <Ainulindale> it merely calls lfg
Sep 30 22:54:41 <Ainulindale> and it doesn't use ophonekitd
Sep 30 22:56:07 <quickdev> so you think about messages as a general message application not constricted to sms. Thus the ui code shouldn't be in libframeworkd-phonegui-* ?
Sep 30 22:56:39 <Ainulindale> I don't care :-)
Sep 30 22:56:45 <Ainulindale> I just thought that way building lfg
Sep 30 22:56:58 <Ainulindale> But I think messages and calls should be treated the same way
Sep 30 22:57:25 <Ainulindale> So the same thing you used for calls should be defined for messages
Sep 30 22:57:48 <quickdev> ok, maybe we will move that later out of libframeworkd-phonegui
Sep 30 22:58:00 <Ainulindale> Arf
Sep 30 22:58:06 <Ainulindale> We don't understand each other
Sep 30 22:58:11 <Ainulindale> But I'm far too tired to be understandable
Sep 30 22:58:22 <Ainulindale> So I'll explain it tomorrow when I'll be less tired :-)
Sep 30 22:58:35 <quickdev> or I'm too tired to understand...but I think I got the point
Sep 30 22:59:46 <quickdev> the same thing I used for calls should be defined for messages: phonegui_call_ui_show(), phonegui_messags_ui_show() - is that what you meant?
Sep 30 23:07:09 <Ainulindale> What I meant is
Sep 30 23:07:17 <Ainulindale> When I first implemented lfg
Sep 30 23:07:23 <Ainulindale> I didn't intend it to be that way for messages
Sep 30 23:07:26 <Ainulindale> Now I think it should
Sep 30 23:07:44 <Ainulindale> Even if it isn't strictly used that way
Sep 30 23:08:54 <quickdev> ah, ok
Sep 30 23:09:16 <Ainulindale> I just like stuff being done the same way throughout a piece of software
Sep 30 23:09:35 <Ainulindale> When it isn't it's just a crapload of questions waiting to be asked
Sep 30 23:10:42 <quickdev> yeah
Sep 30 23:11:48 <Ainulindale> Well I think I have to sleep 
Sep 30 23:11:52 <Ainulindale> It's 1:10 here
Sep 30 23:11:58 <quickdev> good night, sleep well
Sep 30 23:11:59 <Ainulindale> (and about the same for you I think)
Sep 30 23:11:59 <quickdev> here, too
Sep 30 23:12:04 <quickdev> where are you from?
Sep 30 23:12:08 <Ainulindale> Paris
Sep 30 23:12:23 <quickdev> ah, neighbor, I'm from germany 
Sep 30 23:12:27 <Ainulindale> Are you a student or a happy worker too ? :-)
Sep 30 23:12:28 <Ainulindale> I know :-)
Sep 30 23:12:39 <quickdev> 18 year old student ;)
Sep 30 23:12:47 <Ainulindale> Heh, too young to be honest
Sep 30 23:12:55 <Ainulindale> Just ended my studies last year
Sep 30 23:12:58 <Ainulindale> It was about time
Sep 30 23:13:07 <Ainulindale> Spent too much time to drink and not doing stuff
Sep 30 23:13:22 <Ainulindale> Now I'm paid not to do stuff
Sep 30 23:13:23 <quickdev> how old are you?
Sep 30 23:13:24 <Ainulindale> That's better
Sep 30 23:13:26 <Ainulindale> 25
Sep 30 23:13:56 <quickdev> did you study computer science?
Sep 30 23:14:01 <Ainulindale> Yep
Sep 30 23:14:14 * rwhitby unblocks the fso-testing autobuilder
Sep 30 23:15:15 <quickdev> interesting what folks work for open source projects ;)
Sep 30 23:15:30 <Ainulindale> quickdev: details on http://www.linkedin.com/in/juliencassignol for my experience by the way
Sep 30 23:15:35 <Ainulindale> Even if you don't care :-p
Sep 30 23:15:46 <Ainulindale> Well anyway
Sep 30 23:15:50 <quickdev> I care ;)
Sep 30 23:15:57 <Ainulindale> I feel old, my beer glass just went dry
Sep 30 23:16:10 <Ainulindale> I think I'm going to sleep and wait for a coffee to fix itself for me
Sep 30 23:16:12 <quickdev> time to go to bed, ehehe
Sep 30 23:16:37 <quickdev> do it, thanks again, I would have needed hours to find that bug
Sep 30 23:16:46 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Sep 30 23:16:50 <Ainulindale> See you tomorrow
Sep 30 23:16:55 <Ainulindale> And don't forget to put your names on the headers
Sep 30 23:16:59 <Ainulindale> Else I won't commit the patches
Sep 30 23:17:05 <Ainulindale> s/names/name/
Sep 30 23:17:07 <quickdev> no problem :)
Sep 30 23:17:14 <Ainulindale> Good night
Sep 30 23:17:20 <quickdev> good night.
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