**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 19 02:59:56 2008 Oct 19 07:47:58 Hey Oct 19 08:22:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd00451a09fa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: move 'assert' to logger.warning, if unknown GSM number type found Oct 19 08:23:18 mickeyl, morning Oct 19 08:25:42 morning Sup3rkiddo Oct 19 08:25:47 long time no see Oct 19 08:25:49 how's life? Oct 19 08:26:38 mickeyl, life is good..was having practical exams at college Oct 19 08:26:51 cool, how did it go? Oct 19 08:27:06 mickeyl, so was a bit tied up trying to cram in Java and UMLs in 2-3 days Oct 19 08:27:12 went goood Oct 19 08:27:40 excellent Oct 19 08:27:43 you're still studying, right? would you have time/be interested in doing paid work on freesmartphone.org/FSO ? Oct 19 08:28:19 mickeyl, right now?.. Oct 19 08:28:43 well, lets say starting in a couple of weeks Oct 19 08:28:54 not fulltime (i know you're still studying), but part-time Oct 19 08:29:06 if that's interesting drop me a mail and we talk a bit Oct 19 08:29:08 mickeyl, semester starts in a couple of weeks... Oct 19 08:29:19 how many semesters until you're done? Oct 19 08:29:33 mickeyl, just 2 more, i will be passing out next march Oct 19 08:29:45 good! Oct 19 08:29:53 FSO is hiring ;) Oct 19 08:30:05 (Openmoko, that is) Oct 19 08:30:07 mickeyl, ah, if march is ok, then i am in Oct 19 08:30:08 :D Oct 19 08:30:24 great. lets talk more soon, leaving for squash soon Oct 19 08:30:36 mickeyl, yeah..cool, thank Oct 19 08:30:38 s Oct 19 08:30:41 np Oct 19 08:35:29 * raster squashes mickeyl Oct 19 08:36:07 morning Oct 19 08:36:20 just came from a meeting w/ Andy Green Oct 19 08:36:43 (who was on his way to .tw) Oct 19 08:36:50 * mickeyl thinks 03 is in good hands Oct 19 08:37:02 hardware-wise, that is. no idea 'bout design ;) Oct 19 08:38:09 mickeyl, tell us more ;) Oct 19 08:38:24 what should i say Oct 19 08:38:32 the specs are pretty much disclosed by now Oct 19 08:38:50 (looking at the wiki) Oct 19 08:39:20 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 looks decent Oct 19 08:39:57 once my lab PSU arrives, I'll to some tests with the new modem Oct 19 08:41:37 mickeyl, looks very promising :) Oct 19 08:42:26 yeah. i think it's going to be the first competitive (minus the modem) design we do Oct 19 08:43:18 mickeyl, have you seen the case yet? Oct 19 08:43:42 or the case design Oct 19 08:43:51 i have seen a plastic mockup, ya Oct 19 08:44:10 it looks... interesting :) Oct 19 08:44:14 organic Oct 19 08:44:20 slightly assymetrical Oct 19 08:44:27 definitely not apple-linke :) Oct 19 08:44:30 s/linke/like/ Oct 19 08:44:37 ok, need to run now Oct 19 08:44:39 ciy Oct 19 09:18:28 AinuFallback, here? Oct 19 11:10:48 hi Oct 19 11:35:23 hmm - organic and slightly assymetrical. I reckon GTA03 is gonna look like a lopsided pear ... Oct 19 12:11:03 :D Oct 19 12:11:24 i like the current form, fits snugly in my big palm Oct 19 12:19:43 hi Oct 19 12:19:54 hi akus Oct 19 12:20:02 hi methril|laptop Oct 19 12:20:55 exist a python module to work in bluetooth in openmoko ? Oct 19 12:21:42 it depends on the distro version you are using Oct 19 12:21:57 om 2008.9 Oct 19 12:22:39 but need another distro i can install it Oct 19 12:22:41 i know FSO (freesmartphone) has a dbus API for bluetooth Oct 19 14:41:39 Ainulindale! Oct 19 14:53:50 hi room Oct 19 14:54:46 has anyone tried to boot openmoko on a rokr e6 Oct 19 19:15:04 Hey Oct 19 19:27:29 hey Oct 19 19:38:34 quickdev: hello Oct 19 19:45:28 hey nikolajsheller Oct 19 19:45:54 quickdev: hey Oct 19 19:46:02 Ainulindale, hey Oct 19 19:46:07 Ainulindale, let's talk about a thing Oct 19 19:46:10 time? Oct 19 19:46:30 What would you like to talk about ? Oct 19 19:46:43 I will tell you if I have time if I know what you want to talk about :-) Oct 19 19:46:59 Ainulindale, about the incoming sms -> exit problem.. Oct 19 19:47:01 hi. I'v been fooling around with a SHR and FSO image Oct 19 19:47:08 quickdev: yes ? Oct 19 19:48:16 And I would like to take you up on the offer of working on the SHR release Oct 19 19:48:30 Ainulindale, atm there's one ui thread in ophonekitd for all kind of user interface interactions(incoming call, sim code, incoming sms, outgoing call) Oct 19 19:48:42 nikolajsheller: Heh ! :-) Oct 19 19:48:47 I won't have a lot of time to devote, but I would like to contribute to the project Oct 19 19:48:54 great :) Oct 19 19:48:58 quickdev: yes and ? Oct 19 19:49:26 Ainulindale, imagine two sms arrived..and then exit is pressed...what should happen? Oct 19 19:49:54 alphaone, how do I determine the max chars of a SMS? Oct 19 19:50:08 quickdev: You know what should happen Oct 19 19:50:20 So either you're able to communicate with the existing thread Oct 19 19:50:22 Or you create another one Oct 19 19:50:41 Either way you know as well as me what the result should look like :-) Oct 19 19:51:18 yeah, but I've got a design problem somewhere...mhh ;) Oct 19 19:51:33 nikolajsheller, tell us about your skills :) Oct 19 19:52:44 sicu, thanks for ticket #36, very well documented Oct 19 19:52:51 I've done quite a bit of devlopment and I'm willing to learn :) Oct 19 19:53:05 quickdev: which kind of design problem? Oct 19 19:53:31 Ainulindale, should I created a thread for each user interface thing? Oct 19 19:53:47 s/thing/screen or context/ Oct 19 19:55:05 quickdev: why not ? Oct 19 19:55:11 It could be a good thing Oct 19 19:55:19 I need to learn the basics of the openmoko stack, so I probably need a relatively limited problem to work with initialy Oct 19 19:55:29 If the thread exits unexpectedly, only this thread is impacted Oct 19 19:55:44 yeah..right Oct 19 19:56:14 nikolajsheller, you should ask Ainulindale the upcoming week..because I'll be away Oct 19 19:56:29 nikolajsheller, familiar with C development? Oct 19 19:56:48 yes, Oct 19 19:56:56 C++ as well Oct 19 19:57:03 fine, have you heard of EFL? Oct 19 19:57:05 .net, java Oct 19 19:57:21 been looking into it after we chatted yesterday Oct 19 19:57:22 nikolajsheller: What I would suggest is a simple task Oct 19 19:57:31 I was willing to do it but I'm a bit busy this week Oct 19 19:57:39 quickdev: np, finding and documenting for tickets is a quick and easy task, it's the fixing that takes time =] Oct 19 19:57:49 We're looking for a C module for illume to handle sound scenarii Oct 19 19:58:07 i.e. a module which would list the available profiles for sound Oct 19 19:58:12 very impressive illume image Oct 19 19:58:15 and which would allow the user to change it Oct 19 19:58:18 sicu, I've done some things locally, but they aren't ready so far...I'll upload them the next weekend, it's a pity that I'm not here from monday till friday Oct 19 19:58:21 it's pretty easy Oct 19 19:58:36 The only difficulty resides in the understanding of illume modules Oct 19 19:59:02 Ainulindale, what kind of profiles...silent for example? Is that integrated into illume? really? Oct 19 20:00:26 where can I find Illume documentation? Oct 19 20:01:56 is there a ticket for this issue? Oct 19 20:03:03 quickdev: no, it's in frameworkd (opreferencesd) Oct 19 20:03:18 But it sounds logical to me to put that as a shelf gadget in illume Oct 19 20:03:25 nikolajsheller: no ticket yet Oct 19 20:03:33 nikolajsheller: you should download illume sources Oct 19 20:03:39 And have a look at the gsm module Oct 19 20:03:47 http://shr.bearstech.com/sources/illume_svn.enlightenment.org_.svn.e.trunk_36540_.tar.gz Oct 19 20:03:54 e_mod_gad_gsm.c Oct 19 20:04:02 Ainulindale, why not build a settings application? Oct 19 20:04:19 quickdev: because in the end we'll want to be able to change the sound profile directly Oct 19 20:04:28 And doing that is easier and faster than doing a whole settings application Oct 19 20:04:28 directly means? Oct 19 20:04:30 I'll download the source and take a look. Oct 19 20:04:35 Which will be done in the end Oct 19 20:04:44 quickdev: without having to launch anything Oct 19 20:04:49 just by a quick peek at the phone Oct 19 20:04:59 nikolajsheller, btw...could be viewed online, too http://git.enlightenment.org/?p=e/.git;a=tree Oct 19 20:05:09 quickdev: if you need two or three "clicks" to change your sound profile Oct 19 20:05:14 It's far too difficult Oct 19 20:05:19 svn checkout http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/illume Oct 19 20:05:22 It should be done by one or two Oct 19 20:05:31 But that's only my opinion Oct 19 20:05:33 AinuFallback, for example..click on aux.. -> menĂ¼ appears...and then -> SILENT MODE Oct 19 20:05:43 quickdev: that's an example yes Oct 19 20:05:58 I was more thinking about something in the line of "clic on the shelf gadget, select silent" Oct 19 20:06:04 +k Oct 19 20:06:36 quickdev: I think raster's opinion is valuable regarding this matter Oct 19 20:06:41 should I use the git or svn repository? Oct 19 20:06:51 Ainulindale, yes, I think so, too Oct 19 20:06:53 nikolajsheller: svn Oct 19 20:06:54 http://git.enlightenment.org/?p=e/.git;a=tree or Oct 19 20:06:54 svn checkout http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/illume Oct 19 20:06:57 ok Oct 19 20:06:58 nikolajsheller, no difference Oct 19 20:07:12 nikolajsheller: just take the tgz from bearstech Oct 19 20:07:14 it will be the same Oct 19 20:07:25 ok. familir with svn, so I'll stick to that Oct 19 20:07:28 Then you'll have to check which primitives you have to use from frameworkd Oct 19 20:07:50 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Preferences.html;hb=HEAD Oct 19 20:07:55 And they are there Oct 19 20:08:10 Could we open a ticket for this? It' nice to have some plce to chare information Oct 19 20:08:19 Open the ticket and it will be open :-p Oct 19 20:08:32 ok? no rights and whatnot Oct 19 20:08:38 No rights necessary Oct 19 20:08:52 It will be assigned to quickdev or me but that's not a matter as of now Oct 19 20:09:59 nikolajsheller: as I told before, the main difficulty is with the illume way to build modules Oct 19 20:10:05 But I think the experience is valuable Oct 19 20:13:20 I'll fiddle around with it. And I'll probably ask a lot of quesions ;) Oct 19 20:13:35 I won't be available tomorrow Oct 19 20:13:40 Until 20ish Oct 19 20:13:49 Feel free to mail the SHR ml Oct 19 20:14:00 Or to ask to some people here Oct 19 20:14:16 just playing around with shr, it's nice how fast the apps are compared to the other images Oct 19 20:16:22 Fast but unfortunately not bug free :-) Oct 19 20:16:44 yeah, after i entered my pin the "checking" stays there until some other events happen (incomming call) ;-) Oct 19 20:17:19 Wiedi: That situation happens only on the first boot IIRC Oct 19 20:17:49 hmmm, i rebooted about 5 times now Oct 19 20:18:02 well then, I don't have this problem here :-) Oct 19 20:18:20 Wiedi: this screen should be hidden given a specific signal Oct 19 20:18:24 i'll have framework logs soon ;) Oct 19 20:18:48 Wiedi, there a ophonekitd.log's in /tmpm Oct 19 20:20:06 http://paste.frubar.net/9203 Oct 19 20:25:07 Wiedi: nice, now we have your pin :-) Oct 19 20:26:19 Ainulindale, shr trac is veery slow :( Oct 19 20:26:32 No problem here Oct 19 20:26:41 i don't care much about the pin, the number of my gf already made it into some comments in framework :> Oct 19 20:27:08 :-) Oct 19 20:27:23 Wiedi, thanks for the log :) Oct 19 20:27:33 now I know where the bug is Oct 19 20:27:59 framwork is configured to use syslog, syslogd is running but i don't have /var/log/messages, any hints? Oct 19 20:29:00 Wiedi, logread -f Oct 19 20:29:06 or cut the -f option Oct 19 20:29:24 ah, nice Oct 19 20:29:30 Wiedi, bug should be fixed now, will commit it later Oct 19 20:30:22 thanks for reporting Oct 19 20:30:38 Which version of the SHR is the best to work on? Oct 19 20:31:18 get the last shr image and upgrade the packages ;) Oct 19 20:31:28 opkg update && opkg upgrade...after setting up /etc/resolv.conf Oct 19 20:31:56 (Y) gotcha Oct 19 20:32:19 ok. thanks :) Oct 19 20:32:21 nikolajsheller: just keep in mind that if something doesn't work anymore it should be ophnekitd Oct 19 20:32:41 nikolajsheller: so if you doubt that something borked, killall -9 ophonekitd; DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& Oct 19 20:33:34 Ainulindale: yeh, thx for giving me that one yesterday .... it saved my a lot of frustration with boot-up times ;] Oct 19 20:33:40 Ainulindale: thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I opened issue #42 for this, so is you have additional infomation... Oct 19 20:35:24 Ainulindale, why not posting such information on the wiki? :) Oct 19 20:36:04 quickdev: don't you know about my laziness ? :-) Oct 19 20:36:09 nikolajsheller: will do Oct 19 20:44:15 quickdev: new page on wiki Oct 19 20:44:40 it's painfully slow, isn't it? Oct 19 20:45:46 Not at all here Oct 19 20:46:06 Ainulindale, committed some things...I hope there's no major problem with the commit Oct 19 20:46:13 just for info Oct 19 20:50:37 Ainulindale, I'm leaving...perhaps you should add the image generation soon again....I wish you a sucessful week ;) Oct 19 20:52:14 btw ... any of you guys had any success with tangoGPS in SHR ? Oct 19 20:52:52 i can easily get several fixes with agpsui, but tangoGPS nothing Oct 19 20:54:50 i did get a lucky connection once, by firing up tangoGPS when agpsui had been running for a while and had a bunch of sats, but still tango only found one sat :/ Oct 19 20:57:03 strange.. Oct 19 20:57:17 Ainulindale, could you somehow have a look? fso-gspd running.. Oct 19 20:59:43 I won't be able to right now Oct 19 20:59:50 Or tomorrow for that matter Oct 19 20:59:53 But I'll try Oct 19 20:59:58 Anyway I have to get some sleep Oct 19 21:00:07 So good night to you folks Oct 19 21:00:08 no rush ... jsut thought i'd mention it Oct 19 21:00:15 nite Oct 19 21:05:22 seems like phobie is having similar problems Oct 19 21:05:24 [20081019-225007] I wrote a short python script to analyse the problem Oct 19 21:05:24 [20081019-225038] tangogps uses the fso-gpsd over tcp, bit the deamon sens bad nmea data Oct 19 21:05:52 still not sure what distro that was under though Oct 19 21:11:12 [20081019-230903] sicu: it is because the agpsui directly accesses /dev/ttySAC1 but tangogps and gpspipe use the buggy fso-gpsd. Oct 19 21:11:12 [20081019-231003] sicu: fso-unstable 2008-10-08 Oct 19 21:12:15 sicu, looks like a bug in fso-gpsd Oct 19 21:12:30 mhmm Oct 19 21:12:40 in general, /dev/ttySAC1 shouldn't be used directly ;) Oct 19 21:13:59 so this needs to be fixed upstream then =] Oct 19 21:14:41 yeah Oct 19 21:15:14 see you.... Oct 19 21:15:33 cya =] Oct 19 21:19:42 thats openmoko-agpsui fault... Oct 19 21:20:16 how can that be ? Oct 19 21:23:32 because it is accassing /dev/ttySAC1 directly Oct 19 21:24:23 could be that this direct access interfers with the fso-gpsd Oct 19 21:27:46 ahh, i see Oct 19 21:40:23 Is it easy to develop python-based, dbus apps on the last FSO milestone (or testing?) Oct 19 22:17:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * ra8b0308debc7 10/src/zhone: Oct 19 22:17:36 freesmartphone.org: Catch up with new SMS API in zhone Oct 19 22:17:36 freesmartphone.org: This prevented zhone from actually sending the messages. Oct 19 22:59:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO The commands listet first here, do they build a QEMU-file, or files i can flash to my freerunner ? Oct 19 23:00:36 Kagee: I think they build both Oct 19 23:01:05 oh.. sorry, I thought you were talking about mokomakefile... Oct 19 23:01:36 Kagee: they build the files you can flash your phone with. Oct 19 23:04:51 oh, great :) Oct 19 23:05:02 just what i need Oct 19 23:18:11 i want to write a (python) app that does "something" when i recive "some" SMS, is that yet possible? Oct 19 23:20:51 check FSO Oct 19 23:20:59 if u want to do that ever in the future Oct 19 23:21:10 otherwise u're SOL with qtopia i think Oct 19 23:21:13 *that's what i'm doing* :-) Oct 19 23:21:26 which one? Oct 19 23:22:32 fso. building testing-image now, i think Oct 19 23:22:48 SOL? Oct 19 23:23:25 shit out of luck Oct 19 23:37:26 raster: hi there Oct 19 23:37:51 raster: disregard the bootchart ipkg that I sent you, it's broken. Oct 19 23:38:53 Kensan: fair nuf Oct 19 23:39:01 rm'd Oct 19 23:39:02 raster: need to find out why it doesn't work anymore. Oct 19 23:39:43 raster: rather strange. I guess it has to do with some change in oe since I didn't touch the recipe and it worked before. Oct 19 23:40:53 raster: either way. Need to catch some sleep... work is waiting tomorrow :) Oct 19 23:41:10 catch ya zeeees man! Oct 19 23:41:15 nite! Oct 19 23:41:29 take it easy *g* Oct 19 23:41:32 good night Oct 19 23:41:52 nite! Oct 20 01:06:13 this compiling took somewhat longer that i anticipated... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 20 02:59:57 2008