**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 05 02:59:57 2008
Nov 05 08:07:54 <methril> G'morning
Nov 05 09:24:10 <TAsnn> hey
Nov 05 09:24:25 <TAsnn> where can i read if anywhere some documentation about shr
Nov 05 09:25:18 <Ainulindale> shr.bearstech.com/trac/
Nov 05 09:25:27 <Ainulindale> And you can ask questions here to me or quickdev
Nov 05 09:25:44 <TAsnn> cool, btw for some reason i can't get the code
Nov 05 09:25:58 <TAsnn> make setup doesn't work.
Nov 05 09:26:04 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Nov 05 09:26:13 <TAsnn> Initialized empty Git repository in /tmp/fso-milestone3/openembedded/.git/
Nov 05 09:26:13 <TAsnn> fatal: cannot create directory at packages/freesmartphone/frameworkd/om-gta02
Nov 05 09:26:13 <TAsnn> error: Untracked working tree file 'COPYING.MIT' would be overwritten by merge.
Nov 05 09:26:13 <TAsnn> make: *** [setup-fso-milestone3] Error 1
Nov 05 09:26:13 <Ainulindale> Anyway I have to go now, I'll be there in half an hour, real urgent work
Nov 05 09:26:19 <TAsnn> enjoy.
Nov 05 09:26:22 <TAsnn> im out as well.
Nov 05 09:26:30 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: delete your open embedded directory
Nov 05 09:26:51 <TAsnn> the make file created it
Nov 05 09:26:54 <TAsnn> but whatever
Nov 05 09:27:26 <TAsnn> omg it worked.
Nov 05 09:27:30 <TAsnn> thanks.
Nov 05 09:58:16 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: You're welcome
Nov 05 09:59:41 <tomboy64> Ainulindale: why has shr been migrated to your repo?
Nov 05 10:49:31 <Hire> sigh
Nov 05 11:01:41 <Ainulindale> tomboy64: projects failed two weeks
Nov 05 11:01:58 <tomboy64> oh!
Nov 05 11:02:18 <tomboy64> Ainulindale: btw, what am i supposed with the modules tarball?
Nov 05 11:04:10 <Ainulindale> I don't know, never used them :-)
Nov 05 11:04:42 <rwhitby> if you flash a kernel with dfu-util, you need to untar the corresponding modules in your userspace
Nov 05 11:04:51 <rwhitby> (if you don't also flash the userspace)
Nov 05 11:05:27 <Hire> Ainulindale: i am working on more icons for mediaplayer, sketchbook, htop and mediaplayer
Nov 05 11:06:00 <Hire> and vagalume
Nov 05 11:06:16 <Hire> but i don't know if i need to make an index.theme or not ...
Nov 05 11:09:01 <tomboy64> ahh
Nov 05 11:09:04 <tomboy64> thx rwhitby
Nov 05 11:32:37 <Hire> Ainulindale?
Nov 05 12:44:56 <Ainulindale> Hire: yes ?
Nov 05 12:45:33 <Hire> Hire> but i don't know if i need to make an index.theme or not ...
Nov 05 12:45:56 <Ainulindale> Neither do I
Nov 05 12:46:08 <Ainulindale> You should have a look at the bb recipes of the other icon packages
Nov 05 12:46:43 <Hire> I see
Nov 05 12:46:45 <Hire> i will see
Nov 05 12:46:52 <Hire> now is pappa time
Nov 05 12:47:34 <Ainulindale> by the way Hire 
Nov 05 12:47:38 <Ainulindale> Even if we didn't release SHR yet
Nov 05 12:47:51 <Ainulindale> You can tell there's a non official testing image for developers and such
Nov 05 12:48:01 <Ainulindale> As long as we don't talk about it out loud
Nov 05 13:01:40 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 05 13:05:03 <Hire> if someone want to test it 
Nov 05 13:05:13 <quickdev> hey Hire, to test what?
Nov 05 13:05:45 <Hire> them are free to test it and i will say always shr isn't released yet
Nov 05 13:05:58 <Hire> quickdev: about SHR
Nov 05 13:30:09 <Ainulindale> Hire: I agree
Nov 05 13:30:12 <Ainulindale> That's my point :-)
Nov 05 13:30:22 <Ainulindale> If they want to test something that may be unstable, let them do it
Nov 05 13:30:26 <Ainulindale> Just mention the known problems
Nov 05 13:30:33 <Ainulindale> (i.e. GSM Resource unstability, no icons)
Nov 05 13:30:34 <Hire> fiu
Nov 05 13:31:13 * Hire is safe
Nov 05 13:32:21 <Ainulindale> Safe? Why? :-)
Nov 05 13:50:13 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I just modified the buildhost configuration
Nov 05 13:50:21 <quickdev> changed back to org.openembedded.dev branch
Nov 05 13:50:34 <quickdev> checked out rasters patches folder in patches/
Nov 05 13:50:47 <quickdev> and applied them with ./oe-patches.sh
Nov 05 13:50:52 <quickdev> just for information
Nov 05 14:11:32 <Ainulindale> quickdev: nice :-)
Nov 05 14:11:40 <Ainulindale> quickdev: did you take your exams ?
Nov 05 14:11:49 <quickdev> Ainulindale, yesterday and tomorrow
Nov 05 14:11:56 <Ainulindale> How did it go ?
Nov 05 14:11:59 <quickdev> computer sciences is done, and physics will follow ;)
Nov 05 14:12:03 <Ainulindale> Brrrr
Nov 05 14:12:05 <Ainulindale> Physics
Nov 05 14:12:05 <quickdev> quite good 
Nov 05 14:12:23 <Ainulindale> quickdev: what was it about ?
Nov 05 14:12:40 <quickdev> databases
Nov 05 14:12:51 <Ainulindale> Is this you first year ?
Nov 05 14:12:59 <Ainulindale> +r
Nov 05 14:13:11 <quickdev> no, it's my last year on high school
Nov 05 14:13:42 <Ainulindale> High school ? And you have IT classes ?
Nov 05 14:14:15 <Hire> high school?
Nov 05 14:14:41 <quickdev> yeah, my school has a very broad ranges of courses
Nov 05 14:14:45 <Hire> so you are young then me
Nov 05 14:14:59 <quickdev> Hire, probably ;)
Nov 05 14:15:10 <Hire> interesting 
Nov 05 14:15:32 <Ainulindale> Hire: he's a teenager
Nov 05 14:15:39 <Ainulindale> That's why he does fancy UIs
Nov 05 14:15:50 <Ainulindale> If he was as old as I am he would be doing CLI stuff
Nov 05 14:16:20 <Hire> i think he uses gnome and kde
Nov 05 14:17:02 <Hire> when I am using fvwm :o
Nov 05 14:17:06 <quickdev> Hire, only on my phone :)
Nov 05 14:17:22 <Hire> i don't think so 
Nov 05 14:17:59 <Ainulindale> Hire: fvwm ? Pfff ! youngster !
Nov 05 14:18:01 <Ainulindale> You should use mwm
Nov 05 14:18:05 <Ainulindale> or twm
Nov 05 14:18:27 <Hire> i used only vtwm as nerdy-wm
Nov 05 14:18:43 <Hire> i can't go crazy for anything :D
Nov 05 14:19:34 <Hire> btw, now I am using kde 4.18something from SVN
Nov 05 14:19:51 <Hire> because I love unstable thing :)
Nov 05 14:23:16 * Hire is studying network security
Nov 05 14:31:50 <sicu> so what's SHRs direction these days?
Nov 05 14:31:59 <Ainulindale> sicu: this way =>
Nov 05 14:32:33 <sicu> Ainulindale: haha ;p
Nov 05 14:32:44 <Ainulindale> sicu: more seriously
Nov 05 14:32:50 <Ainulindale> Stabilization, packaging, and release
Nov 05 14:33:08 <sicu> Ainulindale: you going for the everything-agnostic thingy you discussed with raster yesterday?
Nov 05 14:33:21 <Ainulindale> I think I will in the end
Nov 05 14:33:30 <sicu> cool =]
Nov 05 14:33:32 <Ainulindale> I had this idea in mind before this discussion
Nov 05 14:33:37 <Ainulindale> We didn't agree on the means
Nov 05 14:33:46 <Ainulindale> It helped clarifying things
Nov 05 14:34:07 <sicu> hehe ... i was an interested bystander ;p
Nov 05 14:34:50 <Ainulindale> Will you be an interested actor of the development then ?
Nov 05 14:37:07 <sicu> yes i will =]
Nov 05 14:37:45 <Ainulindale> Then you'll help us to develop that ? :-)
Nov 05 14:40:24 <sicu> work is always terribly hectic with the holidays coming up ... but as soon as things calm down there'll be more time for FR playing/developing =]
Nov 05 14:40:29 <sicu> looking forward to it =]
Nov 05 14:52:20 <Hire> holidays coming up?
Nov 05 14:52:28 <Hire> when? O_o
Nov 05 16:47:16 <Hire> this msg is for tcpdump
Nov 05 19:12:53 <thseiler> quick question: what do i have to build to get a gst-plugin-mad ipk ?
Nov 05 19:13:14 <thseiler> i can see the packages/gstreamer dir, but it does not have a gst-plugin-mad
Nov 05 19:13:24 <thseiler> yet it is referenced in the images/X.bb files
Nov 05 19:13:29 <quickdev> thseiler, that was my problem same ours ago, too
Nov 05 19:13:35 <thseiler> ;-)
Nov 05 19:13:44 <thseiler> i like the "was" ;-)
Nov 05 19:13:44 <quickdev> I don't know where the package is gone :) but haven't inspected it much yet
Nov 05 19:13:55 <quickdev> *some hours ago
Nov 05 19:14:00 <quickdev> hehe ;)
Nov 05 19:15:50 <thseiler> quickdev: thanks, i will try to investigate some more...
Nov 05 19:16:08 <quickdev> ok, would be great :)
Nov 05 19:19:11 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: mad plugin should be in gst-plugins-ugly
Nov 05 19:19:27 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Do you get the error during the rootfs build?
Nov 05 19:19:31 <thseiler> hi stefan! thanks a lot !
Nov 05 19:19:41 <stefan_schmidt> hi thseiler  :)
Nov 05 19:19:42 <thseiler> no, no error, the rootfs build finishes just fine
Nov 05 19:19:52 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Ah, ok
Nov 05 19:20:06 <thseiler> is there a magic command that i can invoke to find which .bb file provides which ipk ?
Nov 05 19:20:14 <thseiler> or just expirience ? 
Nov 05 19:20:24 <thseiler> s/pi/pe/
Nov 05 19:20:38 <emdete> --graphviz?
Nov 05 19:21:37 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: hmm, no idea if bitbake have something for this. At least a grep for PROVIDES should work
Nov 05 19:21:58 <emdete> thseiler: try --graphviz - it saves a deoendency graph
Nov 05 19:22:34 <thseiler> emdete: really useful option, thanks!
Nov 05 19:23:04 <emdete> you can read it with an texteditor but those visualizers are just great :)
Nov 05 19:26:02 <emdete> gdk-pixbuf does not build... any hints? it says "reduce-dependencies.patch does not apply "...
Nov 05 19:27:25 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: That is already a hint, no?
Nov 05 19:27:37 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: What about refresh the patch or disable it?
Nov 05 19:27:45 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: not really - i did not add that patch
Nov 05 19:28:03 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: i dont know - i just fire off mokomakefile ;)
Nov 05 19:28:16 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: But it is listed as patch for the package and does not apply.
Nov 05 19:28:52 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Haven't seen this problem yet
Nov 05 19:28:57 <Kensan> thseiler: hi, quick question about u-boot/xyssl. Do you know what happened to XySSL?
Nov 05 19:28:58 <emdete> strange
Nov 05 19:29:13 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: As I said. Try to refresh the patch, sometimes it is easy, or comment it out.
Nov 05 19:29:18 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: do u use om git repo or oe's?
Nov 05 19:29:23 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: oe
Nov 05 19:29:34 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: how do i 'refresh' a patch?
Nov 05 19:30:17 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: my repo is oe too and updated minutes ago
Nov 05 19:30:19 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Change it so that it applies again. I would try this in the working dir of the package.
Nov 05 19:30:39 <thseiler> Kensan: no? anything wrong ?
Nov 05 19:31:03 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Sometimes you just have to change a line. In other cases it is total messed up and you won't be able to refresh it within hours
Nov 05 19:31:14 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: sounds wierd that it is needed to change files in a build system like mokomakefile/bb
Nov 05 19:31:46 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt, emdete: we have here a tar.gz of an openembedded tree that builds 50% of the time
Nov 05 19:31:48 <Kensan> thseiler: I can't seem to access the upstream website... it's gone "dark" a couple of months ago afaik.
Nov 05 19:31:53 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: I pulled ten minutes ago. Let's see if I get the same problem
Nov 05 19:32:11 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Why a tar.gz?
Nov 05 19:32:15 <thseiler> ah! i think we have a copy of the latest source around
Nov 05 19:32:25 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: And why only 50%? :)
Nov 05 19:32:28 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: can you build glib? i had a problem with that too (pb's gatomic patch)
Nov 05 19:32:31 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: we don't update or change it in any way
Nov 05 19:32:37 <thseiler> not git checkout or anything
Nov 05 19:33:03 <thseiler> just the same tar.gz snapshot. build on the same machine, it only works about 50% of the time
Nov 05 19:33:24 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: So you mean you have a snapshot of the mnetadata that sometimes build on the same machine and sometimes not? Without changed config? Just rm-rf tmp?
Nov 05 19:33:46 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Both build machine are running right now. Will try after they finished
Nov 05 19:33:55 <thseiler> yep, which makes me think that there is something non-determninistic going on...
Nov 05 19:34:04 <emdete> fine. have you seen the gatomic problem?
Nov 05 19:34:06 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: That is _not_ good
Nov 05 19:34:14 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Not yet either
Nov 05 19:34:26 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: And I have glib in the image for sure.
Nov 05 19:34:35 <thseiler> emdete: yes, gatomic, that is one place where it stops about 50% of the time for me
Nov 05 19:34:36 <emdete> and i have another weird thing: all the postinsts return 1 and opkg is complaining - seen that?
Nov 05 19:35:02 <thseiler> seen aswell
Nov 05 19:35:02 <emdete> thseiler: there is a workaround - go into it with devshell, do cd glib;make libgau...
Nov 05 19:35:07 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: I think I would need a real error message
Nov 05 19:35:18 <thseiler> i furthermore have no postinst of the mime-shared package
Nov 05 19:35:44 <thseiler> but on some builds its there... strange...
Nov 05 19:35:51 <emdete> is oe currently totally broken? i had several patches myown that don't apply anymore 
Nov 05 19:36:10 <emdete> has there happened something bigger with it?
Nov 05 19:36:15 <thseiler> thanks emdete!, will try that
Nov 05 19:36:28 <stefan_schmidt> Guys, one problem at a time. It brings you nothing to jump from one problem to the next...
Nov 05 19:36:34 <thseiler> agreed
Nov 05 19:36:35 <Ainulindale> Ah
Nov 05 19:36:37 <Ainulindale> Home at last
Nov 05 19:36:47 <thseiler> so lets pick gatomic
Nov 05 19:36:58 <thseiler> hi Ainulindale !
Nov 05 19:37:02 <Ainulindale> Hi :-)
Nov 05 19:37:15 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: For the non-deterministic builds. The best guess I can make is that some packages break on multithread bitbake.
Nov 05 19:37:28 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: You could try with one thread only.
Nov 05 19:37:33 <thseiler> ok, we have in fact used multi threaded builds
Nov 05 19:37:48 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: shure, sry, i just wanted to check if my build is broken or if others have those probs also
Nov 05 19:38:03 <emdete> thseiler: i disabled that completly... didnot work
Nov 05 19:38:30 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: If you have local patches against OE that does not apply anymore then it is your problem, no? Normal life if having local changes. Pulling new stuff in can break it. Nothing special about the OE metadata here
Nov 05 19:38:51 <stefan_schmidt> I'll try glib after my builds finished
Nov 05 19:38:55 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: shure, but it seems ther changed alot
Nov 05 19:38:55 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: is there a way to track down which bb files may cause trouble on multithread builds ?
Nov 05 19:39:05 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Tell me more about the shared-mime problem
Nov 05 19:39:35 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: no preoblem with the breakage i just took it as hint that there changed alot recently
Nov 05 19:39:38 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: OE is active. Means they change a lot recipes everyday
Nov 05 19:39:51 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: hmm
Nov 05 19:40:03 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: I never really had such problem. No idea.
Nov 05 19:40:11 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: PErhaps ask mickeyl 
Nov 05 19:40:38 <thseiler> we build the image of raster (svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe/patches)
Nov 05 19:41:12 <thseiler> for some reason, on some of our images, the .postinst of shared-mime  was missing
Nov 05 19:41:21 <thseiler> this leads to missing icons in illume
Nov 05 19:41:30 <emdete> thseiler: about the postinst: i made a loop to add `exit 0` at the end of all scripts. after that everything installed fine
Nov 05 19:41:32 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: If all you guys do your own patches to OE all the time I can't help you. :)
Nov 05 19:41:51 <thseiler> hehe, i know, sorry
Nov 05 19:41:53 <Kensan> thseiler: what svn revision is that? I am building images with those patches as well.
Nov 05 19:41:57 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Missing icons??
Nov 05 19:42:08 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Hey, that problem I know. :)
Nov 05 19:42:44 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Which scripts exactly?
Nov 05 19:42:59 <thseiler> raster gave me the hint on how to fix that: run update-mime-database /usr/share/mime on gta02
Nov 05 19:43:07 <thseiler> this is what the .postinst would do
Nov 05 19:43:28 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler, emdete: Let me know more about the shared mime stuff. We also have this problem in FSO. If you have ideas/fixes I'm happy to work them into OE
Nov 05 19:44:24 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: trying...
Nov 05 19:44:32 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: no, sry, mine postinst problem was another: opkg complained all postinst return 1 and marked the packages as not configured. even on boot it did the loop to configure them
Nov 05 19:44:48 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: hmm, ok
Nov 05 19:45:01 <Kensan> thseiler: let me rephrase so it makes sense :) "What svn revision of raster's patches are you having trouble with?"
Nov 05 19:45:07 <stefan_schmidt> YOu guys hit all kind of weird problems.
Nov 05 19:45:11 <emdete> maybe the behavior of the shell changed or something?
Nov 05 19:45:16 <stefan_schmidt> For sure OE has a lot to fix all the time
Nov 05 19:45:18 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: sry for that :D
Nov 05 19:45:24 <thseiler> Kensan: you mean svn of e? the patches in lastest SVN /e/trunk/TMP/oe/patches will set some sane-srcrevs right now it's r37395
Nov 05 19:45:26 <stefan_schmidt> I just wonder why we don't get this stuff
Nov 05 19:45:28 <Kensan> thseiler: I also build multi-threaded illume-images with these patches and enver had any issues.
Nov 05 19:45:51 <Hire> quickdev: what icons can I use for "media player"?
Nov 05 19:46:07 <Kensan> thseiler: I mean svnrev of svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe/patches
Nov 05 19:46:11 <thseiler> yes, raster did not have any issues as well.
Nov 05 19:46:24 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: heh, as long as they are real OE problems they have to be fixed. It's good to find them. The problem is sometimes to fiond where the problem originally comes from
Nov 05 19:47:01 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: You should really not use the old server from a went down company... ;)
Nov 05 19:47:13 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: shure, i want to help and if i sound offensive its my bad english, nothin more :D
Nov 05 19:47:43 <Kensan> thseiler: what do you mean by "on some of our images"? Building the image on the same machine sometimes shows the issue and sometimes it doesnt?
Nov 05 19:47:53 <thseiler> exactly
Nov 05 19:47:57 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: ok, noted
Nov 05 19:48:00 <tomboy64> uhm
Nov 05 19:48:01 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: :D
Nov 05 19:48:04 <Hire> *sigh*
Nov 05 19:48:07 <Kensan> thseiler: hm and there's no pattern?
Nov 05 19:48:15 <tomboy64> git branch tells me (no branch) is selected
Nov 05 19:48:20 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: You are my hero!
Nov 05 19:48:27 <tomboy64> how can i change back to org.openembedded.dev?
Nov 05 19:48:29 <emdete> thseiler: that really sounds like the problem i had with multithreaded
Nov 05 19:48:30 <thseiler> probably, but i was not yet able to identify it ;-
Nov 05 19:48:38 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: I already spent some hours into illume code to find this stupid icon problem :)
Nov 05 19:48:53 <emdete> brb
Nov 05 19:48:53 <Kensan> thseiler: sounds like some kind of race...
Nov 05 19:49:06 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: hehe, it was raster who gave me the hint.
Nov 05 19:49:20 <thseiler> but in that case, you have the same issue on FSO aswell ?
Nov 05 19:49:37 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Why does he not gave it to me? I asked.
Nov 05 19:49:48 <thseiler> Kensan: we will try again without BB_NUM_THREADS, maybe it gets more reliable...
Nov 05 19:49:52 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: I'll get him, I know where he lives... ;)
Nov 05 19:50:16 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: I have it on my build yes. Sometimes I make sure will get fixed in OE
Nov 05 19:50:19 <thseiler> hehe :-) That info is barely 24h old
Nov 05 19:50:31 <Kensan> thseiler: I have BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "6" and PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 6" and never experienced that issue...
Nov 05 19:50:43 <thseiler> Kensan: we use ="8"
Nov 05 19:50:48 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: pfft, internet is fast and I'm almost always online :)
Nov 05 19:50:52 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: just kidding
Nov 05 19:51:05 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Thanks for the hint. I'll see what goes wrong in OE there
Nov 05 19:51:06 <thseiler> i will try to reduce to 6 and see if that helps...
Nov 05 19:51:18 <Kensan> thseiler: is it multi-cpu?
Nov 05 19:51:30 <Kensan> thseiler: I mean not just multi-core
Nov 05 19:51:46 <Kensan> well never mind, that wouldn't make any sense at all
Nov 05 19:51:52 <thseiler> Kensan: yep, 8 core, quite fast machine, build raster image in about 1h13min
Nov 05 19:52:08 <Kensan> thseiler: nice! It takes me about 2:30 or so
Nov 05 19:52:35 <thseiler> Kensan: 2 cpu X quadcore
Nov 05 19:52:36 <Kensan> only 4 measly cores for me... *hehe*
Nov 05 19:53:11 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Yeah, same here as buildhost. 8 cores + 10G RAM rockz :)
Nov 05 19:53:19 <Kensan> thseiler: I believe rasters machine is single-cpu aswell right?
Nov 05 19:53:56 <Kensan> hmm but that shoudln't have any impact imho...
Nov 05 19:53:57 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: nah, core duo
Nov 05 19:54:07 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: corez rulez!
Nov 05 19:54:10 <Kensan> thseiler: did you sacrifice a rubber chicken?
Nov 05 19:54:13 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: :D
Nov 05 19:55:11 <thseiler> Kensan: no no :-) but i think is has to be something with the multithreading. I Just can't see a way to debug that.
Nov 05 19:55:32 <thseiler> Kensan: would a rubber chicken help there, maybe ?
Nov 05 19:55:47 <Kensan> thseiler: well OE is all voodoo magic to me hence the rubber chicken...
Nov 05 19:56:07 <Kensan> thseiler: for multi-threading bugs you need a real chicken I fear...
Nov 05 19:56:14 <Kensan> ;)
Nov 05 19:56:42 <Kensan> speaking of which, I need to grab some dinner.
Nov 05 19:57:02 <thseiler> Kensan: :) enjoy, then !
Nov 05 19:57:07 <Kensan> thseiler: if you have a way on triggering the issue ping me, I will gladly do some test runs on my machine.
Nov 05 19:57:18 <Kensan> a way to trigger
Nov 05 19:57:24 <thseiler> Kensan: ok, thanks!
Nov 05 19:57:28 * Kensan should go back to school
Nov 05 19:57:32 <Kensan> bbl
Nov 05 19:58:41 <Kensan> thseiler: btw, did you ask C7 (Ben) if he has the same issue? I believe he is building illume-image on the bitbakery-cluster.
Nov 05 19:59:44 <stefan_schmidt> argh
Nov 05 19:59:49 <thseiler> tomboy64: use git checkout org.openmebdedded.dev 
Nov 05 19:59:52 <stefan_schmidt> We have shared-mime-info - 0.22-r1.1 installed
Nov 05 20:00:12 <stefan_schmidt> And only 0.51 has the paostint to update the db
Nov 05 20:00:20 <thseiler> Kensan: good idea, will do...
Nov 05 20:00:28 <stefan_schmidt> The older one just include the inc file which does not have this hook
Nov 05 20:00:46 <stefan_schmidt> The inc also has EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-update-mimedb"
Nov 05 20:01:02 <stefan_schmidt> Which brings us this trouble I guess
Nov 05 20:01:53 <stefan_schmidt> I'll need to find out why it is this way. I'll ask on the ml. Thanks for the pointer guys.
Nov 05 20:02:23 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: you're welcome :-)
Nov 05 20:03:23 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: thanks for the help in fixing this :-)
Nov 05 20:04:16 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: no worries. we need to work together to get this whole open mobile thing rolling :)
Nov 05 20:04:42 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: I wait for some rocking EFL apps from you guys in the other direction. :)
Nov 05 20:05:48 <stefan_schmidt> I'm using the FR as my primary phone for a week now. And usibility and feature wise zhone really sucks. :)
Nov 05 20:07:19 <thseiler> working on that one... if you have an elementary lib , you might want to take a look at http://downloads.om.vptt.ch/essential/
Nov 05 20:07:31 <thseiler> just the dialer, no sms or anything else yet, but its a beginning...
Nov 05 20:08:29 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: No elementary here until now. Begin of the new semester keeps me busy. Also some OpenEZX hacking recently again.
Nov 05 20:08:42 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Will test for sure. Just not sure when. :)
Nov 05 20:09:11 <stefan_schmidt> OK, I found the commit that broke mime-update, let's ask on the ml how we like to fix this
Nov 05 20:11:22 <thseiler> :) thanks !
Nov 05 20:18:44 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: Here I think I'll settle with a sane-srcrev redefinition
Nov 05 20:19:15 <Ainulindale> (latest works and doesn't have the problem)
Nov 05 20:19:58 * tomboy64 sighs
Nov 05 20:20:20 <tomboy64> NOTE: Resolving any missing task queue dependencies
Nov 05 20:20:22 <tomboy64> ERROR: '['/home/tboy/dev/SHR/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'e-wm-config-netbook' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
Nov 05 20:21:03 <Ainulindale> tomboy64: Are you using oe dev git plus raster patches ?
Nov 05 20:21:06 <Ainulindale> And using our sane srcrevs ?
Nov 05 20:21:16 <tomboy64> ah shiiiit
Nov 05 20:21:21 <Ainulindale> Here you are :-)
Nov 05 20:21:21 <tomboy64> i forgot the raster patches
Nov 05 20:21:33 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Sure, if it works for that is fine. But perhaps there are other distros / targets which like to stay with the old version.
Nov 05 20:21:41 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: Indeed :-)
Nov 05 20:21:47 <Ainulindale> Just saying out loud a quick fix :-)
Nov 05 20:22:07 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: could this be handled in preferred-om-2008-versions.inc in conf/distro/include ?
Nov 05 20:22:18 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Sure. Something we may do here as well
Nov 05 20:22:39 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: I just want to amke sure the bug gets known and OE folks can decide how to fix it.
Nov 05 20:22:39 <tomboy64> Ainulindale: when will hire's icons be available?
Nov 05 20:22:55 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Is there an entry for shared-mime-info?
Nov 05 20:23:00 <thseiler> yep
Nov 05 20:23:10 <Hire> when I will do a package for them
Nov 05 20:23:15 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Good, then bump from 0.22 to .051 and test
Nov 05 20:23:18 <thseiler> line 1716 on mine
Nov 05 20:23:35 <thseiler> says PREFERRED_VERSION_shared-mime-info ?= "0.22"
Nov 05 20:23:40 <Ainulindale> tomboy64: when it's done :-)
Nov 05 20:23:43 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Will also save you 1MB of flash space as the mime-db gets generated on the host and a unneeded file removed
Nov 05 20:23:53 <tomboy64> Ainulindale: :(((
Nov 05 20:24:01 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: yup, exactly change this
Nov 05 20:24:01 <Ainulindale> tomboy64: as soon as I have them I'll handle that
Nov 05 20:24:11 <Ainulindale> Probably by this week end I suppose
Nov 05 20:24:15 <tomboy64> nice
Nov 05 20:24:22 * stefan_schmidt will be away for an hour to play Wii :)
Nov 05 20:24:24 <stefan_schmidt> Later guys
Nov 05 20:24:24 <Ainulindale> If Hire agrees of course
Nov 05 20:24:30 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: same here but watching TV :-)
Nov 05 20:24:34 <Ainulindale> (And drinking a beer)
Nov 05 20:24:36 <Ainulindale> (I earned it)
Nov 05 20:24:43 <Ainulindale> So long, see you in a while
Nov 05 20:24:47 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: heh, test Wiifit, better then beer ;)
Nov 05 20:25:32 <Hire> uhm
Nov 05 20:25:38 <Hire> i need to finish skecthbook
Nov 05 20:25:48 <thseiler> ok, cu later...
Nov 05 20:26:17 <Hire> and numphy-something
Nov 05 20:26:20 <tomboy64> :-D
Nov 05 20:26:50 <Hire> so give me 10 minuts
Nov 05 20:26:53 <Hire> minutes
Nov 05 20:27:05 <Hire> but first... i need to get a beer
Nov 05 20:29:08 <tomboy64> :-D
Nov 05 20:29:10 <tomboy64> sure
Nov 05 20:29:34 <tomboy64> Ainulindale: is there a way to apply raster's patchset without git whining at every make update?
Nov 05 20:30:31 <Hire> but
Nov 05 20:30:51 <Hire> how we can make a package?
Nov 05 20:31:00 <Hire> i don't know because I never do it before
Nov 05 20:37:34 <tomboy64> Hire: Ainulindalewants to do it
Nov 05 20:37:57 <tomboy64> 21:23| <Ainulindale> tomboy64: as soon as I have them I'll handle that
Nov 05 20:38:26 <Hire> i see
Nov 05 20:40:48 <Hire> now I will resize them with imagemagick
Nov 05 20:42:29 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 05 20:42:31 <Ainulindale> I don't want to do it
Nov 05 20:42:42 <Ainulindale> I want to apply it on our image
Nov 05 20:42:43 <Ainulindale> I don't even know how to do it
Nov 05 20:43:43 <Ainulindale> Either way, away now
Nov 05 20:45:10 <Hire> tomboy64
Nov 05 20:45:25 <Hire> are you ready? imagemagick has finshed
Nov 05 20:45:28 <Hire> finished
Nov 05 20:45:31 <tomboy64> :-D
Nov 05 20:45:37 * tomboy64 is so ready!
Nov 05 20:46:46 <Ainulindale> Hire: For your package thing, just have a look at the bb recipes of the other packages
Nov 05 20:46:57 <Ainulindale> I know how to make packages for software, but for icons, I don't know what's necessary
Nov 05 20:47:37 <Hire> icon-naming and others thing
Nov 05 20:48:21 <tomboy64> 21:29| <tomboy64> Ainulindale: is there a way to apply raster's patchset without git whining at every make update?
Nov 05 20:48:33 <Hire> me too, I know how to do it  but I see tomboy64 so happy to make my more lazy :)
Nov 05 20:48:35 <tomboy64> e.g. not completely switching to raster's branch?
Nov 05 20:48:44 <tomboy64> lol
Nov 05 20:48:56 <tomboy64> i'll dump them on my fr and be happy myself :-P
Nov 05 20:49:56 <Ainulindale> tomboy64: I don't know, quickdev did the thing :-)
Nov 05 20:50:01 <Ainulindale> Didn't think about the problem
Nov 05 20:50:09 <tomboy64> quickdev!!!
Nov 05 20:50:19 <tomboy64> -.-
Nov 05 20:50:21 <tomboy64> meh
Nov 05 20:50:25 * tomboy64 annoyed
Nov 05 20:54:47 <Hire> tomboy
Nov 05 20:54:57 <Hire> fdfafdakfda
Nov 05 20:54:57 <Hire> ko
Nov 05 20:54:58 <Hire> faodp
Nov 05 20:54:58 <Hire> fpdafldkdfk
Nov 05 20:54:59 <Hire> dfaofd
Nov 05 20:54:59 <Hire> o
Nov 05 20:55:00 <Hire> dfaf
Nov 05 20:55:02 <tomboy64> yes?
Nov 05 20:55:03 <Hire> calm...
Nov 05 20:55:12 <tomboy64> no?
Nov 05 20:55:21 <Hire> fdafdkadaf
Nov 05 20:55:22 <tomboy64> ^^
Nov 05 20:55:23 <Hire> dfa
Nov 05 20:55:23 <Hire> fsakfsakdfa
Nov 05 20:55:24 <Hire> CALM
Nov 05 20:55:32 <Hire> http://www.megaupload.com/it/?d=PLG6XNVQ
Nov 05 20:55:33 * tomboy64 throws a keyboard at Hire's head
Nov 05 20:55:43 <Hire> sorry, I hate firefox
Nov 05 20:55:44 <mwester> that's not calm
Nov 05 20:57:07 <Hire> tomboy64 takes the link
Nov 05 20:57:19 <tomboy64> did already
Nov 05 20:57:28 * tomboy64 quick
Nov 05 20:57:43 <Hire> i am a bit lazy today and I don't have the right mood to do with bb :)
Nov 05 21:05:32 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: icons seem to work fine with prefered version="0.51" in preferred-om-2008-versions.inc.
Nov 05 21:05:38 <Hire> ehm... so tomboy64? do you like them?
Nov 05 21:07:13 <alexxy> hi all
Nov 05 21:07:26 <emdete> re - stefan_schmidt did glib build okay?
Nov 05 21:07:27 <alexxy> will fso support mms?
Nov 05 21:07:33 <sicu> Hire: he's already selling them on ebay :p
Nov 05 21:07:58 <Hire> ohh
Nov 05 21:07:59 <Hire> I see
Nov 05 21:08:15 <Hire> set min 100$
Nov 05 21:08:21 <Hire> so I can bid 
Nov 05 21:08:32 <Hire> alexxy: for now, no :)
Nov 05 21:09:51 <tomboy64> Hire: how bout naming them shr-something.png?
Nov 05 21:10:00 <tomboy64> so you could distinguish them more easily
Nov 05 21:10:03 <Hire> shr-colors 
Nov 05 21:10:11 <Hire> ah
Nov 05 21:10:12 <Hire> ok O_o
Nov 05 21:10:13 <tomboy64> no, the icons
Nov 05 21:11:38 <Hire> tomboy
Nov 05 21:11:41 <Hire> do as you want
Nov 05 21:11:42 <Hire> :)
Nov 05 21:12:26 <sicu> definition of lazy = hire ;p
Nov 05 21:12:35 <sicu> ^^
Nov 05 21:12:51 <Hire> absolutely yes 
Nov 05 21:12:55 <Hire> I have a good mentor :)
Nov 05 21:13:44 <tomboy64> pffft
Nov 05 21:13:49 * tomboy64 spanks Hire
Nov 05 21:14:04 <tomboy64> but afaics you did an excellent job on those icons
Nov 05 21:15:01 <Hire> afaik :o
Nov 05 21:15:05 <Hire> thx :)
Nov 05 21:15:13 <Hire> i want to do however a custom edje
Nov 05 21:15:25 <Hire> with icons for gsm, bluetooth, wifi and battery
Nov 05 21:18:01 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: One build is already on the way to build the rootfs, so yes, built here
Nov 05 21:18:02 <tomboy64> :)
Nov 05 21:18:31 <tomboy64> hmm
Nov 05 21:18:42 <tomboy64> shr is built upon angstrom, ain't it?
Nov 05 21:18:50 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Thanks for testing
Nov 05 21:18:50 <tomboy64> i just added the angstrom repo
Nov 05 21:19:02 <tomboy64> and opkg-upgrade does LOTS of upgrades
Nov 05 21:19:20 <tomboy64> am i bricking my phone? :-D
Nov 05 21:20:09 <Hire> mmm
Nov 05 21:20:20 <Hire> tomboy64: yes it is based on angstrom
Nov 05 21:20:30 <Hire> and... I don't know but you need to the package 
Nov 05 21:20:38 <tomboy64> hm?
Nov 05 21:20:38 <Hire> or I will slap you
Nov 05 21:21:12 * Hire put stress on the people
Nov 05 21:21:18 <Hire> because it is fun :o
Nov 05 21:21:46 <TAsnn> do the shr apps use etk exclusively or is there a way to get them in gtk? ;]
Nov 05 21:21:55 <Ainulindale> If you code it there is
Nov 05 21:21:59 <Ainulindale> It's quite easy in fact
Nov 05 21:22:13 <Ainulindale> There's even an existing library for that
Nov 05 21:22:24 <Ainulindale> Though no people are working on it anymore out of laziness
Nov 05 21:22:56 <TAsnn> Ainulindale, i saw the phonegui-gtk
Nov 05 21:22:59 <TAsnn> that's why i asked.
Nov 05 21:23:17 <TAsnn> i actually found the apps source code hard to understand, too little documentation too much files ;]
Nov 05 21:23:30 <Hire> ah, it's fun
Nov 05 21:23:32 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: Easy reason
Nov 05 21:23:35 <Hire> because the gtk part is by marcochepalue
Nov 05 21:23:44 <Ainulindale> It's a straight copy from the old 2007.2 UI
Nov 05 21:23:51 <Ainulindale> Which has been weirdly realized
Nov 05 21:23:54 <Hire> and he is the famous "lazy pig" :)
Nov 05 21:24:05 <Ainulindale> Hire: MarcoChapeau
Nov 05 21:24:15 <TAsnn> actually, i don't understand why the modify the 2007 apps idea was ditched
Nov 05 21:24:16 <Hire> ops
Nov 05 21:24:34 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: that's strange - can you tell me your sha of oe git?
Nov 05 21:24:36 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: In SHR you mean ?
Nov 05 21:24:49 <TAsnn> yeah.
Nov 05 21:24:51 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: If you mean SHR there's a simple reason
Nov 05 21:24:54 <Ainulindale> This wasn't ditched
Nov 05 21:24:58 <Ainulindale> We ran out of developers
Nov 05 21:25:02 <TAsnn> i see rewritten apps.
Nov 05 21:25:03 <Ainulindale> I'm no GTK developer
Nov 05 21:25:07 <Ainulindale> Because I'm no UI developer
Nov 05 21:25:12 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: moment
Nov 05 21:25:16 <Hire> because it's more easy and polish to create an app instead to port it
Nov 05 21:25:17 <Hire> or i prefer it so 
Nov 05 21:25:20 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: Only thing we rewrote was the interface between frameworkd and the UI
Nov 05 21:25:25 <Ainulindale> because this was necessary
Nov 05 21:25:32 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: c51ce4a258c657dc646bfc01d77f1b71c0c3af4f
Nov 05 21:25:38 <TAsnn> well the gui looks amazingly different.
Nov 05 21:25:41 <Ainulindale> Though we structured the architecture to allow us to do the same work based on new code
Nov 05 21:25:49 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: oups...
Nov 05 21:25:52 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: That's the beauty of the architecture we built
Nov 05 21:25:55 <Ainulindale> you can build as many UI as you wish to
Nov 05 21:25:56 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: No glib fixes noted in the log ...
Nov 05 21:26:06 <Ainulindale> As long as they implement the same primitives
Nov 05 21:26:20 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: I'm all disposed to give you advices if you want to work on the GTK UI
Nov 05 21:26:27 <Ainulindale> But I won't touch the code
Nov 05 21:26:30 <TAsnn> hehe.
Nov 05 21:26:32 <Ainulindale> It'll give me headaches
Nov 05 21:26:36 <Ainulindale> I hate UI stuff
Nov 05 21:27:04 <TAsnn> same here. ;]
Nov 05 21:27:15 <Ainulindale> Then don't complain :-p
Nov 05 21:27:23 <TAsnn> i actually prefer gtk, since there's no rtl support in etk
Nov 05 21:27:39 <TAsnn> Ainulindale, im not complaining, in fact, i love shr the most.
Nov 05 21:27:40 <TAsnn> ;]
Nov 05 21:27:40 <Hire> rtl support?
Nov 05 21:27:44 <TAsnn> right to left.
Nov 05 21:27:47 <Ainulindale> TAsnn: :-)
Nov 05 21:27:50 <Hire> ahhh
Nov 05 21:27:50 <Ainulindale> Thanks for that 
Nov 05 21:27:53 <Hire> I see 
Nov 05 21:27:54 <Ainulindale> And don't worry I was joking
Nov 05 21:27:56 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Like to send me the diff for the version bump and get your first patch into OE? :)
Nov 05 21:27:59 <TAsnn> i talked to raster about it quite some time ago
Nov 05 21:28:05 <TAsnn> and he said they lack rtl devs.
Nov 05 21:28:13 <Ainulindale> Anyway, going to see the end of my show
Nov 05 21:28:18 <Ainulindale> Be back in half an hour
Nov 05 21:29:06 <TAsnn> i won't be here, though thanks. i may try to read the source over the weekend ;]
Nov 05 21:31:18 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: that's strange... i have lots of commit behind that. mostly x11
Nov 05 21:31:45 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: from graeme gregory. dont know why i got that branch
Nov 05 21:31:45 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Can you do a git branch for me?
Nov 05 21:32:00 * stefan_schmidt thinks emdete is on the shared/xorg-7.4 update branch
Nov 05 21:32:09 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: yeah, wrong branch
Nov 05 21:32:26 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: who you or me? :D probably me...
Nov 05 21:32:40 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Of course you :)
Nov 05 21:32:53 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: i have added some files to checksum.ini... after that there starts the other branch
Nov 05 21:32:55 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: That branch is Xoras playground for the new xorg
Nov 05 21:33:02 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Could be broken the whole time
Nov 05 21:33:06 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: can you add my addition to the ini?
Nov 05 21:33:14 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: org.openembedded.dev is the right branch
Nov 05 21:33:41 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Sure, give me a pointer to the patch
Nov 05 21:33:42 <emdete> i thought i am on that branch... let me check
Nov 05 21:33:46 <emdete> http://pyneo.org/downloads/0001-add-various-checksums.patch
Nov 05 21:34:59 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Patch looks fine
Nov 05 21:35:26 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Give me bit time to finish some other stuff and I'll test and commit it
Nov 05 21:35:30 <emdete> shure - git did it :D
Nov 05 21:35:34 <emdete> thnx
Nov 05 21:36:07 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: maybe you want some of my other patches too..? :D
Nov 05 21:36:34 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Depends. :) Give me pointer :)
Nov 05 21:37:09 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: first i have to rebase everything there. takes some time to work git-complient
Nov 05 21:37:10 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: I don't like to commit into stuff that other maintain. But I can of course take a look
Nov 05 21:37:26 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Take your time. No need to do it today.
Nov 05 21:37:46 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: :D shure. first of all i would like to build through again
Nov 05 21:37:59 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Good idea :)
Nov 05 21:38:33 <thseiler> stefan_schmidt: sure, something like http://downloads.om.vptt.ch/shared-mime-info-version-for-om.patch ?
Nov 05 21:39:20 <stefan_schmidt> thseiler: Looks good. Will be in the same push as the one from emdete.
Nov 05 21:40:01 <thseiler> cool! thanks! my first patch ! yupie !! :-)
Nov 05 21:40:12 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 05 21:42:54 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: okay, found where my git timewarp left the path. thnx
Nov 05 21:43:16 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: no worries
Nov 05 21:43:34 <emdete> git is funny... lots to learn with it :D
Nov 05 21:47:57 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I take it you have commit access to oe. Would you consider commiting a patch which bumps udev from 118 to 124?
Nov 05 21:48:20 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I have the oneliner lying around here somewhere ;)
Nov 05 21:50:06 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: It depends for what distro. For OM I could talk with mickeyl and others. For other distros I would not do it. udev can break a lot things. Even "just" a version bump can have nice breakage afterwards :)
Nov 05 21:50:19 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Any special reason why you like to get a newer one?
Nov 05 21:51:04 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: for om
Nov 05 21:51:17 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: ok, any reason?
Nov 05 21:51:26 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: it cuts down boottime considerably
Nov 05 21:51:29 <Kensan> >10 secs
Nov 05 21:51:37 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: hmm
Nov 05 21:51:57 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: or I can talk to mickey directly when he's around
Nov 05 21:52:00 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: For real boottime improvement you want to have a static dev and udev only for hotplug devices anyway :)
Nov 05 21:52:12 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: that's what udev-124 does
Nov 05 21:52:21 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I would prefer if mickey decides this
Nov 05 21:52:32 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: it contains these optimisations. It untars "/dev" on bootup etc.
Nov 05 21:52:36 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I would ask him anyway for udev
Nov 05 21:53:01 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Ah, that is interesting. Didn't know
Nov 05 21:53:08 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: it's basically what Chia did with the fastboot stuff...
Nov 05 21:53:19 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: ok
Nov 05 21:53:31 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: yeah I think hrw or so did these changes when he was optimising boot for poky
Nov 05 21:53:58 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: so it's been used in other distros since august I think.
Nov 05 21:54:12 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: but i'll talk to mickey
Nov 05 21:54:18 <Kensan> mickeyl: ping
Nov 05 21:54:19 <Kensan> ;)
Nov 05 21:54:28 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Sounds like you have some good reasons then. Let's see what mickeyl thinks when he is back
Nov 05 21:55:24 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I've been looking into boottime optimisation lately and the easiest way to speed things up without having to touch a lot of stuff is moving to udev-124.
Nov 05 21:56:24 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: the other things would need some more discussion and testing etc. so that's why I am keeping that stuff in my local branch :)
Nov 05 21:59:22 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: makes sense
Nov 05 21:59:39 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Makre sure you discuss your ideas with olv
Nov 05 21:59:45 <stefan_schmidt> (Chia)
Nov 05 22:05:14 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I did reply to one of his emails to the devel ml where I wrote about udev-124 etc.
Nov 05 22:05:42 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: ok, so you already established a contact
Nov 05 22:05:58 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Keep in mind that asian people are often a bit shy
Nov 05 22:06:22 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: That's really not meant unfriendly if they do not reply or so
Nov 05 22:06:51 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Just update the thread if you have some other results will keep him and other interests in the loop
Nov 05 22:08:32 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I am half japanese and I have been to Japan several times ;)
Nov 05 22:08:58 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: and he did reply actually
Nov 05 22:09:06 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: ok, so you perhaps know what kind of culture shock I got as I was in .tw :)
Nov 05 22:09:19 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: (reply) Even better :)
Nov 05 22:09:30 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hehe yes I can imagine :)
Nov 05 22:09:54 <Hire> tomboy64?
Nov 05 22:10:25 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: good to see that you are still in the project :)
Nov 05 22:10:37 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: despite the "cultural differences" etc
Nov 05 22:10:52 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Well, actually I'm back after a 4-5 months break
Nov 05 22:11:13 <Hire> nice so if want to visit japan I can contact Kensan 
Nov 05 22:11:25 <Hire> good to know
Nov 05 22:11:31 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I'm now in mickeyl's team and work closely together with friends. Easier to not get frustrated this way.
Nov 05 22:12:11 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: And of course it was good to see that OM decided to give FSO a go.
Nov 05 22:13:18 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: yeah, I was very pleased with that. 
Nov 05 22:14:01 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: well working with people from completely different backgrounds can be a unique chance to learn.
Nov 05 22:14:36 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: eventhough it can be very tiring and annoying at times *heh*
Nov 05 22:14:39 <Hire> i want to learn too :(
Nov 05 22:14:45 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I still have my problems with some directions they go and ideas they have. But I learned to deal with this better and working in the FSO team is a pleasure
Nov 05 22:15:21 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Indeed. Learned a lot about asia business culture already
Nov 05 22:15:39 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Need to go there again and spend more time with the real people
Nov 05 22:15:56 <stefan_schmidt> Hire: Just start, the internet is full of it.
Nov 05 22:16:39 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: business is tough... for me it's a bit different since I have family there.
Nov 05 22:16:57 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: plus I speak the language which helps a lot.
Nov 05 22:17:05 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: yeah
Nov 05 22:17:34 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Sometimes we had to call collegues from within a cab to let them give the driver the direction. :)
Nov 05 22:18:53 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: yeah, had to do the same thing too when I was in china *hehe* We called our friends and let the two cabbies talk to eachother, rather funny :)
Nov 05 22:27:28 <quickdev> stefan_schmidt, do you know if there's already someone assigned to pimd? :)
Nov 05 22:28:29 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: We have an offer for someone who would really fit the task. Nothing decided yet.
Nov 05 22:28:46 <quickdev> ah, ok :)
Nov 05 22:29:04 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: Let's see if he likes to work with us :)
Nov 05 22:29:21 <quickdev> stefan_schmidt, may I ask who is it? 
Nov 05 22:30:25 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: You can ask, but I would not tell. :) No offense. It's just still ongoing. We will let you guys know when we have somebody.
Nov 05 22:30:48 <quickdev> yeah, of course, expected that answer :)
Nov 05 22:31:56 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: Then everything is good :)
Nov 05 22:33:17 <stefan_schmidt> http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=151&rb_v=viewtopic
Nov 05 22:33:32 <stefan_schmidt> There is always a way. :)
Nov 05 22:46:08 <emdete> stefan_schmidt: i still get the libgatomic.la error :/
Nov 05 22:46:30 <stefan_schmidt> emdete: Can you pastebin it?
Nov 05 22:46:40 <emdete> shure, mom
Nov 05 22:47:30 <emdete> http://rafb.net/p/fGsLd321.html
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