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Nov 13 03:30:29 <raster> ssweeny: he's run away.... :)
Nov 13 03:30:35 <raster> BobOfDoom:  dabob!
Nov 13 03:32:23 <ssweeny> that's too bad
Nov 13 03:32:32 <ssweeny> i wanted to thank him for fixing my bug
Nov 13 03:32:42 <ssweeny> my thanks to anyone else involved too
Nov 13 03:56:58 <Wranched> i was thinking about it and my freagging phone runs udev
Nov 13 03:57:02 <Wranched> thats just crazy
Nov 13 06:27:12 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I think I solved this 'patches not applying' problem
Nov 13 06:27:33 <mrmoku> looks like older git does not like the patches to be in one file
Nov 13 06:28:04 <mrmoku> so I did split them and uploaded another tarball / updated the wiki
Nov 13 06:28:23 <mrmoku> for me it works now on the machine it didn't before
Nov 13 06:32:48 <gurugentoo> ah so that was the problem
Nov 13 06:49:05 <mrmoku> gurugentoo: you could try to confirm :-)
Nov 13 06:51:13 <gurugentoo> mrmoku: I'm currently messing with fso4
Nov 13 06:51:21 <gurugentoo> but I will soon
Nov 13 06:51:33 <mrmoku> ok
Nov 13 06:57:55 <gurugentoo> but why won't gps work?!?
Nov 13 06:59:01 <gurugentoo> I thought that was a fixed problem
Nov 13 07:04:08 * mrmoku does not get a fix either :(
Nov 13 07:25:28 <mickey|ICE972> *yawn* cheerio
Nov 13 07:27:58 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r54472a2e7b6b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: 
Nov 13 07:27:58 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] send %CBHZ if told to listen for home zone channel broadcasts
Nov 13 07:27:58 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Does not survive a suspend/resume cycle yet. Need to enhance the channel's
Nov 13 07:27:59 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: suspend/resume command handling a bit beforehand (allow sending a callable
Nov 13 07:28:01 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: in addition to a static string).
Nov 13 08:30:14 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r323 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (TODO elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx tests/test01.py): Add canvas support
Nov 13 08:35:14 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r324 10/trunk/python-elementary/setup.py: Fix setup.py
Nov 13 09:00:14 <furester> mrmoku, I have a suggestion: could you write on the wiki against which version you write you patches?
Nov 13 09:00:53 <mrmoku> furester: hmm, how do I know which version?
Nov 13 09:01:31 <furester> the git-version given from make update (if you do this) for example
Nov 13 09:01:54 <furester> I suppose something like this
Nov 13 09:03:34 <mrmoku> problem I see is, that the patches will still work with new versions, if nothing relevant changed....
Nov 13 09:05:32 <furester> mmh .. i know, but we can use (and specify cleanly on the wiki) that that version is only approximate
Nov 13 09:06:07 <furester> if someone encounter a problem compiling (like you and me yesterday) he could try a previous version
Nov 13 09:06:45 <mrmoku> something like definitely supposed to work version :-)
Nov 13 09:07:12 <furester> exact! It's not a "must-have" but a suggestion
Nov 13 09:08:08 <mrmoku> ok, will to later
Nov 13 09:08:12 <mrmoku> do
Nov 13 09:08:30 <mrmoku> or you could do it, if you want :-)
Nov 13 09:16:36 <furester> I finish to compile and if it work cleanly I wrote the version
Nov 13 09:19:22 <furester> good work!
Nov 13 09:24:04 <mrmoku> furester: hey it compiled - you're some step ahead of me :-)
Nov 13 09:26:50 <furester> We don't compile all yet, I just finished glibc .. I'm far from complete compilation
Nov 13 09:30:35 <mrmoku> Ahh, ok
Nov 13 09:32:37 <furester> good work beacuse for the first time patches apply cleanly (only a couple of warning) but yesterday you went away before I could tell you
Nov 13 09:33:10 <furester> and this morning I found the "alternativa patch" but I don't update: src from yesterday and patch from the same time ;)
Nov 13 09:33:15 <mrmoku> the patches from yesterday worked for you?
Nov 13 09:34:02 <furester> I'm using that, but I'm still compilating (I power off my pc this night)
Nov 13 09:36:04 <mrmoku> heh, me too.
Nov 13 09:36:13 <mrmoku> have to go know, will be back later
Nov 13 09:48:16 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r325 10/trunk/python-elementary/setup.py: Fix setup.py
Nov 13 10:57:58 <Hire> i am alone?
Nov 13 11:27:20 <ajuonline> Hire: no. this world is full of idiots. I am one.
Nov 13 11:27:21 <ajuonline> :)
Nov 13 12:38:25 <mbuf> the two screws near the GSM antenna in the FR are the ones to be removed?
Nov 13 12:41:26 <lindi-> mbuf: no, that's the self-destruction mechanism
Nov 13 12:43:51 <mbuf> lindi-, i need to connect the debug strip;
Nov 13 12:48:29 <mbuf> lindi-, how do I unscrew the FR so I can connect the debug board to it
Nov 13 12:48:44 <mbuf> i only see pictures for the Neo1973 here, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973
Nov 13 12:49:19 <lindi-> i would actually want to unscrew the FR so that i could realign the invisible shield better
Nov 13 12:58:49 <mrmoku> furester: how's your build going?
Nov 13 12:59:43 <furester> cairo! :)
Nov 13 12:59:47 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 13 12:59:54 <mrmoku> at least it's still going :-)
Nov 13 12:59:59 <furester> yeah!
Nov 13 13:00:07 <furester> geatr! yours?
Nov 13 13:00:22 <mrmoku> did not restart one
Nov 13 13:00:43 <mrmoku> will do soon though
Nov 13 13:01:23 <furester> task 1627 of 6166
Nov 13 13:01:51 <furester> if you want to wait until I end I'll tell you if it compile asap
Nov 13 13:07:48 <mrmoku> ok, I still have enough other stuff to do :-)
Nov 13 13:20:24 <rwhitby> mbuf: exactly the same disassembly procedure for 1973 and FR
Nov 13 13:43:05 <mbuf> rwhitby, but, which are the Torx screws?
Nov 13 13:43:24 <mbuf> rwhitby, the two small screws near the GSM antenna?
Nov 13 13:46:16 <mbuf> i am trying to unscrew them (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_white.jpg), but, the screws just keep rotating;
Nov 13 14:28:58 <mbuf> which are the two Torx screws (T6x40) on the FR?
Nov 13 14:54:38 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: ping ?
Nov 13 15:07:28 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: do you know any way of disabling debug logging of touchscreen events in syslog ? it's a bit messy...
Nov 13 15:11:57 <mbuf> rwhitby, ok, i have the Glede GD-500 T6x50mm CRV screwdriver; anyone knows how to use it?
Nov 13 15:13:44 <mbuf> it doesn't stay put on the Torx screws
Nov 13 15:16:55 <mbuf> yay! done
Nov 13 15:18:02 <chrysn> i'm having problems with using the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM dbus api; is this the appropriate place to ask?
Nov 13 15:18:41 <lindi-> chrysn: better just ask. i have very little knowledge but i might know
Nov 13 15:20:10 <chrysn> i'm trying to write a simple gtk based phone application (calling, writing sms, that stuff), and get stuck with authentication to the phone.
Nov 13 15:20:45 <chrysn> i can send the sim code, but when i want to power up the antenna (either before or after authentication), i get a "org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.AuthFailed: SIM PIN required" error
Nov 13 15:22:57 <mwester> MarcOChapeau:  they are from the kernel, right?
Nov 13 15:25:09 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: yup
Nov 13 15:25:29 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: compile time option ?
Nov 13 15:25:36 <Wranched> so i got one of the new 80GB solid state disks from intel, supposed to get the other one tomorrow
Nov 13 15:25:58 <MarcOChapeau> Wranched: for your neo ?
Nov 13 15:26:08 <Wranched> hmm
Nov 13 15:26:11 <mwester> Ok.  They are logged at a specific level; the only thing you can do is change the loglevel on the boot command line to set the threshold, or if you are using readlog I think you can filter the level out with readlog.
Nov 13 15:26:15 <Wranched> right now its actually in my mac mini :)
Nov 13 15:26:19 <Wranched> running linux of course
Nov 13 15:26:22 <lindi-> chrysn: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/kapula is my simple gtk based phone
Nov 13 15:26:26 <mwester> Other than that, you need to disable the messages in the kernel config.
Nov 13 15:26:56 <Wranched> a RAID NAS box would certainly have been a lot bigger and probably have more features :)
Nov 13 15:26:58 <lindi-> chrysn: first try to start antenna, if it fails, inquire sim status and if it says that sim pin is needed, send sim
Nov 13 15:27:02 <lindi-> s/sim$/pin/
Nov 13 15:27:47 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: ok. but that's a problem for SHR. we don't really develop kernel stuff, and the kernel logs give enough pollution to hide the frameworkd debug stuff, unless one logs to a file and not the buffer
Nov 13 15:27:49 <chrysn> lindi-: tried both, none worked.
Nov 13 15:28:00 <lindi-> chrysn: does my program work for you? (change pin from source code first)
Nov 13 15:28:33 <mwester> MarcOChapeau:  I haven't noticed the noise, honestly.  I've looked at the logs too.
Nov 13 15:29:05 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: well, one click on the screen generates about 30 lines :-p
Nov 13 15:29:28 <mwester> I would have seen that.  Are you sure you're running the kernel from the recent images?
Nov 13 15:30:48 <mwester> What's the logread command line you are using that gets all that noise?
Nov 13 15:31:29 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: I used to do  logread -f. now I log to /var/log/messages
Nov 13 15:31:35 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 13 15:32:01 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Oct 31 12:40:13 CET 2008
Nov 13 15:32:16 <mwester> Ok, so no special log levels specificed.  That's very odd; I've not seen a lot of touchscreen stuff in my log.  (that kernel line doesn't say much :( )
Nov 13 15:32:17 <MarcOChapeau> quickdev: hi :-)
Nov 13 15:32:43 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: I'll try again after a kernel update
Nov 13 15:32:45 <chrysn> lindi-: i'll have to add usage to it. (i think i didn't mention it so i'll now: the uses framework version is milestone 4)
Nov 13 15:33:11 <lindi-> chrysn: ?
Nov 13 15:34:42 <MarcOChapeau> mwester: http://rafb.net/p/JVf4mV98.html
Nov 13 15:34:50 <chrysn> lindi-: as no app is currently using gsm, it's first turned on when an app requests it, otherwise you get "dbg: cbAntennaPowerError org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled"
Nov 13 15:35:47 <quickdev> Ainulindale, anything new?
Nov 13 15:36:18 <quickdev> lindi-, are you developing an app? :)
Nov 13 15:37:27 <chrysn> lindi-: yeah, works with your app. thanks, i think i'll find the bug in my app by comparing the two.
Nov 13 15:40:22 <lindi-> chrysn: good to know
Nov 13 15:40:42 <lindi-> quickdev: kind of, had to make a call
Nov 13 15:42:35 <DPThought> hi all
Nov 13 15:44:33 <DPThought> i have shr running on gta01. Runs quite nice
Nov 13 15:48:40 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r29d42ea332ae 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: ogsmd: add support for callbacks in addition to static strings
Nov 13 15:48:40 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r497d9feef7d7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py mediator.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] use callbacks for sending +CNMI and %CBHZ
Nov 13 15:48:41 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd68130c6c63d 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: 
Nov 13 15:48:41 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: use gobject.timeout_add instead of timeout_add_seconds, since
Nov 13 15:48:43 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: we need the granularity here. This fixes the power button (hence suspend)
Nov 13 15:48:45 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: seemingly not working always.
Nov 13 15:49:16 <quickdev> DPThought, glad to hear :)
Nov 13 15:51:58 <DPThought> I like how illume has developed. Finally someone has figured out how to make this thing usable with fingers
Nov 13 15:53:11 <Weiss> DPThought: the default Illume theme you mean? i was also impressed. i particularly like having multiple desktops on my phone :)
Nov 13 15:53:14 <quickdev> DPThought, yeah :)
Nov 13 15:53:19 <magbeat> hi
Nov 13 15:54:15 <DPThought> multiple desktops? I was under the impression that these arrows only switch apps
Nov 13 15:54:22 <DPThought> if that is what you mean
Nov 13 15:55:22 <quickdev> afaik, in the new shr releases multiple desktops were disabled
Nov 13 15:55:33 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r5905863112f7 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: 
Nov 13 15:55:33 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: use gobject.timeout_add instead of timeout_add_seconds, since
Nov 13 15:55:33 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: we need the granularity here. This fixes the power button (hence suspend)
Nov 13 15:55:33 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: seemingly not working always.
Nov 13 15:58:35 <Hire> uhm
Nov 13 16:05:46 <sicu> morning =]
Nov 13 16:06:05 <sicu> Hire: you're a man of few words today ;p
Nov 13 16:06:06 <quickdev> hey Hire and sicu ;)
Nov 13 16:06:12 <sicu> hey quickdev =]
Nov 13 16:06:25 <chrysn> lindi-: found the problem -- you really have to fail once at turning the antenna on before you can finally turn it on. doesn't sound too correct...
Nov 13 16:07:12 <chrysn> (writing on a trial-and-error base, i first tried turning the antenna on, saw that it didn't work, and re-wrote the sequence to try later without failing first)
Nov 13 16:07:45 <Weiss> DPThought: in OM-Testing with the profile set to Illume there's a pager in the top right of the top flap-out thing. it's so sick and wrong.. i love it :)
Nov 13 16:09:01 <DPThought> Weiss: ah, that. I had this on fso m4. Yeas, sick and wrong. Loved it too
Nov 13 16:09:24 <DPThought> But unusable with finger. I like the app switcher i have here in shr much better
Nov 13 16:13:18 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r0acb7cdfb382 10/data/themes/toby/ (zhone.edc zhone_suspend.edc): remove suspend part from new theme
Nov 13 16:13:50 <DPThought> i seem to get no gps fix. Which is rather unusual for me. But can not imagine how shr should be responsible for that. Strange...
Nov 13 16:15:19 <quickdev> DPThought, we shouldn't be responsible ;)
Nov 13 16:15:30 <sicu> hehe ;p
Nov 13 16:16:08 <sicu> i had problems getting a fix with SHR a couple of weeks ago, but works fine now
Nov 13 16:17:38 <DPThought> maybe the americans are preparing a premptive strike agains us and have shut down gps...
Nov 13 16:18:48 <DPThought> I usually used zhone for gps debugging. tangoGPS does not show much of a status. Is there something similar which i could use? (gpsd or gypsy api)
Nov 13 16:20:00 <sicu> though i don't believe it was an SHR issue, but a kernel issue
Nov 13 16:21:06 <DPThought> i actually believe it is no software issue at all. gps was always rock solid for me on gta01 for the last month
Nov 13 16:21:34 <DPThought> that's why I'm corious what is received at all
Nov 13 16:28:35 <quickdev> DPThought, download zhone from the fso repository and try it ;)
Nov 13 16:29:36 <DPThought> i have only 1.3 megs left. That's probably more
Nov 13 16:30:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: r u available ?
Nov 13 16:36:42 <chrysn> for sake of completeness, the strange behavior is now documented as http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/223
Nov 13 16:37:21 <ptitjes> My SHR feelings
Nov 13 16:38:09 <ptitjes> I had a two weeks or so version before, already found it my best distro
Nov 13 16:38:49 <ptitjes> I installed the 10/11/2008 version: love the icon theme, sad the pager has gone
Nov 13 16:39:13 <ptitjes> My wishes:
Nov 13 16:39:24 <sicu> it has gone by default, but you can easily re-enable it
Nov 13 16:39:25 <quickdev> ptitjes, pager will be back soon. There was a segfault ;)
Nov 13 16:39:46 <sicu> i thought it was GSM causing segfault ... not pager ?
Nov 13 16:40:01 <quickdev> ptitjes, the desktop pager?
Nov 13 16:40:41 <ptitjes> - better simultaneuous wifi/usb (would like route to wifi if wifi present, but still usb networking if wifi)
Nov 13 16:41:05 <ptitjes> (btw mofi works as is now and its great)
Nov 13 16:41:26 <ptitjes> - better zoom out for midori (so that I can't see a whole page)
Nov 13 16:42:17 <quickdev> ptitjes, we are not developing midori. Maybe there's a better browser around..
Nov 13 16:42:20 <ptitjes> - better arrangement of the illume drawer (but the removal of the down arrow is a great step yet)
Nov 13 16:42:25 <quickdev> ptitjes, and mofi sometimes hangs on my phone ;)
Nov 13 16:43:14 <quickdev> ptitjes, could you add a ticmket for the wifi/usb thing?
Nov 13 16:43:27 <ptitjes> quickdev: I know, just telling that it's close to a distro that could be use as is (no geek tweaking)
Nov 13 16:43:55 <quickdev> ptitjes, we appreciate your feedback :)
Nov 13 16:44:00 <ptitjes> also gsm works with the SIM of a friend (got #666 with my own SIM card) and sound was good on both sides
Nov 13 16:45:22 <ptitjes> quickdev: do you mean as an RFE ?
Nov 13 16:46:08 <quickdev> ptitjes, here: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac
Nov 13 16:46:17 <ptitjes> I think the wifi/usb thing is a problem of Mofi using connman and some rules to be added to oeventd... am I wrong ?
Nov 13 16:46:47 <quickdev> ptitjes, what exactly the problem? is usb disconnected when settupng a wlan connection?
Nov 13 16:47:54 <ptitjes> quickdev: it's what Julien explained in its post on the community ML : When wifi is up usb0 is set down
Nov 13 16:48:14 <ptitjes> maybe a "route del" would be enough
Nov 13 16:48:38 <quickdev> ptitjes, have a look at /etc/mofi/connect.sh and comment out ifdown usb0 :)
Nov 13 16:49:09 <sicu> quickdev: wouldnt it be good to have that commented out by default ?
Nov 13 16:49:11 <ptitjes> I think this is what is done on FSO (but they don't "route add" usb0 when wifi is made down... grrr)
Nov 13 16:49:56 <ptitjes> quickdev: is there a disconnect.sh also ? (I mean called by Mofi when connection is lost or manualy disconnected ?)
Nov 13 16:50:04 <sicu> yeh, would be good if this was all done automagically through rules
Nov 13 16:51:31 <quickdev> done on FSO? Do they have a wifi manager?
Nov 13 16:52:34 <ptitjes> can't remember...
Nov 13 16:52:50 <quickdev> I don't think so
Nov 13 16:53:17 * ptitjes testing too much distros and is confused
Nov 13 16:53:22 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 13 16:53:26 <quickdev> mofi is quite "hacked". One should improve or rewrite it
Nov 13 16:53:34 <Hire1> yes
Nov 13 16:53:59 <ptitjes> I can't find information if there will be a DBus deamon thing for the networking
Nov 13 16:54:19 <quickdev> ptitjes, ther will be. But that's far away in future ;)
Nov 13 16:54:21 <ptitjes> then having rules for this would be easy with oeventd
Nov 13 16:54:42 <Hire1> quickdev: i don't think so. nm will be interegrate into the ms5
Nov 13 16:54:57 <ptitjes> quickdev: do you have links for candidate tools ?
Nov 13 16:55:02 <quickdev> then strip "far" ;)
Nov 13 16:55:15 <quickdev> ptitjes, condiate tools? for wlan management?
Nov 13 16:55:24 <ptitjes> network in general
Nov 13 16:55:43 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4c1025772d6e 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: ogsmd: add support for callbacks in addition to static strings
Nov 13 16:55:43 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rb94ad3ceab15 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py mediator.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] use callbacks for sending +CNMI and %CBHZ
Nov 13 16:55:45 <ptitjes> a network connection manager... what is nm ? (URLs)
Nov 13 16:56:50 <ptitjes> side question: I though mofi was a wpa_supplicant front-end in that it wrote a wpa_supplicant file
Nov 13 16:57:20 <ptitjes> but it means it stores its keys elsewhere and that you must manually launch it and connect to a network
Nov 13 16:57:26 <ptitjes> right ?
Nov 13 16:58:05 <BluesLee> Hire1: take the one with the water ...
Nov 13 16:59:29 <dolf1074> quickdev: bug: If you send a sms to someone, they get it, but there's always a '<br>' at the end of the message. Is this a know bug or should I make a ticket?
Nov 13 16:59:39 <Hire1> mmm
Nov 13 16:59:43 <Hire1> i don't like so much
Nov 13 17:00:07 <BluesLee> Hire1: why?
Nov 13 17:00:20 <BluesLee> without water you cant live;-)
Nov 13 17:00:47 <BluesLee> any progress concerning the blurness?
Nov 13 17:00:51 <Hire1> sure
Nov 13 17:00:59 <Hire1> i have resoled it
Nov 13 17:01:03 <Hire1> resolved
Nov 13 17:01:08 <BluesLee> nice
Nov 13 17:01:13 <Hire1> however, i will finish the pack tomorrow
Nov 13 17:01:33 <Hire1> next i want to do a new wp
Nov 13 17:01:35 <BluesLee> i will flash shr at the weekend to the nand
Nov 13 17:01:39 <Hire1> and edit the edje
Nov 13 17:01:58 <dolf1074> Hire1: what do you mean by wp?
Nov 13 17:02:04 <BluesLee> wallpaper
Nov 13 17:02:13 <dolf1074> okay ;) (simple)
Nov 13 17:02:41 <BluesLee> Hire1: there is a big difference between the screenshots on the the pc and the real ones on the freerunner
Nov 13 17:03:01 <BluesLee> for instance the icons look better on the little screen
Nov 13 17:03:05 <Hire1> wp:wallpaper
Nov 13 17:03:20 <Hire1> sure I know it :D
Nov 13 17:03:36 <Hire1> http://okiwii.net/images/l0ixuy66h6avlnv7wgb.jpg
Nov 13 17:04:25 <BluesLee> Hire1: so my first impression "the icons look not so good" is irrelevant
Nov 13 17:04:31 <Hire1> on fr is much better then that screen
Nov 13 17:05:02 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 13 17:05:21 <BluesLee> therefore i will not make any icons;-)
Nov 13 17:14:24 <ptitjes> I've seen that thread http://www.nabble.com/NetworkManager-on-Openmoko:-ioctl-SIOCSIWENCODEEXT-:-Operation-not-supported-td20162033.html
Nov 13 17:14:57 <ptitjes> Does anyone knows where a I could a networkmanager opkg package ?
Nov 13 17:15:03 <ptitjes> what repo ?
Nov 13 17:16:10 <Hire1> i think he using debian on fr
Nov 13 17:16:41 <Hire1> and however mofi works, where is the problem?
Nov 13 17:18:38 <ptitjes> Hire1: would like to try using dbus capabilities of nm with rules of oeventd
Nov 13 17:19:07 <ptitjes> maybe I could cook some quick rules if I had a nm package
Nov 13 17:20:22 <Hire1> you can talk with micheyl about that
Nov 13 17:23:05 <ptitjes> okay. thanks. will ring him when he'll be back from meeting
Nov 13 17:26:58 <Hire1> sure :)
Nov 13 17:27:09 <sicu> ptitjes: havn't been able to find any nm packages, but there are alternatives to mofi though: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications_directory#Settings
Nov 13 17:27:17 <Hire1> you can help him with the integration of nm into frameworkd
Nov 13 17:27:56 <sicu> ptitjes: Lint-wifi certainly has more options than mofi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi
Nov 13 17:28:28 <sicu> sadly nothing concerning network managing as a whole
Nov 13 17:28:50 <bumbl> hmm neither mofi nor lint-wifi worked for me
Nov 13 17:29:02 <bumbl> (wpa2 psk tkip-aes)
Nov 13 17:30:42 <sicu> bumbl: (wpa2 psk tkip-aes) = exactly same as me, and it works fine here
Nov 13 17:30:54 <sicu> have you turned off ssid broadcasting ?
Nov 13 17:31:11 <bumbl> so i hope openmoko/the fso team will focus on that after they have solved most of the core problems
Nov 13 17:32:06 <bumbl> sicu: i have turned it on because I have to share internet access with someone who uses windows (and the windows driver sucks (ssid off = no connection))
Nov 13 17:33:08 <sicu> bumbl: ok, did a retest here with ssid=on, and it works fine
Nov 13 17:33:22 <Hire1> mofi with wpa2 works 
Nov 13 17:33:22 <sicu> weird =/
Nov 13 17:33:42 <bumbl> yes weird
Nov 13 17:34:09 <sicu> which router do you have ?
Nov 13 17:34:12 <bumbl> i have a mac whitelist (i know it is not a real protection) but the freerunner is added to that
Nov 13 17:34:23 <bumbl> linksys wrt54gl
Nov 13 17:34:35 <sicu> bumbl: firmware ?
Nov 13 17:35:18 <bumbl> at the moment
Nov 13 17:35:23 <bumbl> the original one
Nov 13 17:35:41 <bumbl> i might change to openwrt 8.09
Nov 13 17:35:58 <bumbl> sicu: it works if i use ifupdown and wpa_supplicant
Nov 13 17:36:18 <sicu> hmmm, havn't tried with the original, but i know it works fine with openwrt, dd-wrt and now tomato
Nov 13 17:36:43 <sicu> bumbl: ah, so it can't be a router issue then
Nov 13 17:37:00 <bumbl> yep
Nov 13 17:39:02 <sicu> well, i'm using wpa-supplicant anyways ... didnt like mofi
Nov 13 17:39:31 <sicu> and mofi would sometimes just freeze
Nov 13 18:33:30 <alphaone> okay, brace for impact
Nov 13 18:33:41 * alphaone is going to break SMS handling :-)
Nov 13 18:36:06 <mickey|meeting> :D
Nov 13 18:36:12 * mickey|meeting points to 'master' branch
Nov 13 18:53:01 <mrmoku> dolf1074: hi, is the new patchset working for you?
Nov 13 18:53:10 <dolf1074> yup ;)
Nov 13 18:53:13 <mrmoku> :-)
Nov 13 18:53:39 <mrmoku> was a git problem - older git seems not to handle multiple patches in one file...
Nov 13 18:53:56 <dolf1074> that's a stupid bug
Nov 13 18:54:08 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 13 18:54:10 <dolf1074> you have probably long searched after the problem
Nov 13 18:54:45 <mrmoku> heh, no prior to falling asleep I had an inspiration :-)
Nov 13 18:54:59 <mrmoku> and this morning I tried and it worked - so I was lucky
Nov 13 18:55:22 <dolf1074> that's why a human has to sleep. Just to come with the brightest ideas
Nov 13 18:55:28 <mrmoku> yup :-)
Nov 13 19:05:15 <sicu> hmm, i sleep all the time, and still ... nothing
Nov 13 19:07:39 <dolf1074> sicu: some people are born unluckily 
Nov 13 19:09:11 <mrmoku> sicu: or you forget all your splendid ideas until wakeup ;)
Nov 13 19:15:00 <soken> Has anyone made a successful (complete) build today?
Nov 13 19:15:19 <soken> Because webkit-gtk keeps failing for me
Nov 13 19:24:12 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9b86c00f22f4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] prepare for sending org.freesmartphone.GSM.CipherIndication
Nov 13 19:28:19 <sicu> so so quiet .. is everyone sleeping now, trying to come up with those brightest of ideas
Nov 13 19:28:35 <sicu> wakey wakey
Nov 13 19:29:04 <soken> g'morning
Nov 13 19:29:12 <soken> :)
Nov 13 19:29:14 <sicu> =]
Nov 13 19:37:04 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf1eb74a963ec 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: fix SendUssdRequest to use UCS2 encoding
Nov 13 19:37:05 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rba7db159ca13 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (mediator.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: detect forwarding for incoming calls
Nov 13 19:37:05 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6dd79cd0b1b3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 13 19:38:49 <fer> mrmoku, a problem occurs compiling webkit-gtk
Nov 13 19:39:21 <soken> fer, I think it's a problem with webkits makefile
Nov 13 19:39:22 <mrmoku> hmm, what kind of problem?
Nov 13 19:39:35 <soken> make: *** No rule to make target `JavaScriptCore/kjs/create_hash_table', needed by `DerivedSources/Lexer.lut.h'.  Stop.
Nov 13 19:42:17 <soken> mrmoku, that wouldn't be your patches, right?
Nov 13 19:42:42 <mrmoku> no, don't think so.
Nov 13 19:43:53 <fer> I think that is an other problem
Nov 13 19:44:12 <fer> soken, have you got same problem?
Nov 13 19:44:27 <soken> webkit fails, yes
Nov 13 19:45:07 <fer> isn't it possible to ignore this problem?
Nov 13 19:45:31 <soken> I don't know, some packages would probably depend on it
Nov 13 19:45:39 <soken> at least midori does
Nov 13 19:47:38 <soken> still, I'm trying to do a ´bitbake shr-image -k´
Nov 13 19:48:07 <mrmoku> just checked, the patches don't touch webkit
Nov 13 19:48:31 <soken> -k means: keep building as many packages as possible even if some fails
Nov 13 19:49:26 <soken> mrmoku, ok, maybe upstream breakage then
Nov 13 19:50:34 <mrmoku> last commit in webkit was 7/11 'x96 and ppc default to dolt...' :-)
Nov 13 19:51:47 <soken> mrmoku, have you tried to build it lately?
Nov 13 19:52:10 <mrmoku> no, takes too long ;)
Nov 13 19:55:18 <soken> shr-lite doesn't include midori, so it ight not need webkit
Nov 13 19:55:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: here?
Nov 13 19:55:54 <mrmoku> yep, so shr-lite should build - were you building shr-lite?
Nov 13 19:56:25 <soken> no, but I'm currently trying to figure out how to ;)
Nov 13 19:56:59 <mrmoku> heh, can't help you there
Nov 13 19:57:08 * mrmoku is an OE noop
Nov 13 20:00:07 <soken> I can't even find the correct makefile... :(
Nov 13 20:02:46 <fer> me too
Nov 13 20:02:47 <fer> :(
Nov 13 20:03:05 <fer> Ainulindale, where are you? ;)
Nov 13 20:03:33 <soken> fer, found a way: . setup-env && bitbake shr-image-lite
Nov 13 20:03:51 <dolf1074> I find it sad that bitbake makes it damn hard to start developing for SHR. :(
Nov 13 20:03:56 <soken> seems to work so far :)
Nov 13 20:03:57 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 13 20:04:00 <quickdev> Ainulindale, here?
Nov 13 20:04:09 <quickdev> soken, your bug is fixed?
Nov 13 20:04:21 <mrmoku> no, but we need some OE expert ;)
Nov 13 20:04:53 <quickdev> what's the problem?
Nov 13 20:05:27 <soken> quickdev, haven't tried yet, but in a desperate attempt to make shr usable I deleted the messages :( I regret it now
Nov 13 20:05:53 <mrmoku> quickdev: webkit-gtk does not build
Nov 13 20:05:57 <quickdev> You didn't need it ;)
Nov 13 20:06:12 <mrmoku> but midori we think ;)
Nov 13 20:07:32 <soken> fer, is shr-image-lite building for you so far?
Nov 13 20:07:39 <fer> soken, yeah! it runs ..
Nov 13 20:07:51 <soken> same here
Nov 13 20:10:04 <fer> you think that this is a bug we have to report?
Nov 13 20:10:54 <soken> don't know, but it's not exactly a user-visible issue
Nov 13 20:13:23 <bumbl> quickdev: why don't you use dillo instead of midori? dillo does not need webkit-gtk and is fast
Nov 13 20:13:40 <quickdev> bumbl, sounds fine :)
Nov 13 20:15:03 <fer> you can also try fennec-alpha ;)
Nov 13 20:15:32 <fer> soken, are you in devel list?
Nov 13 20:15:38 <soken> quickdev, when troubleshooting my issue, someone else had a similar problem, right?
Nov 13 20:15:58 <quickdev> soken, please do opkg update and opkg upgrade
Nov 13 20:16:10 <quickdev> does it upgrade frameworkd? If yes..then try to see if it's fixed
Nov 13 20:17:23 <soken> fer, you mean the maillist?
Nov 13 20:17:35 <fer> yes
Nov 13 20:17:50 <soken> then yes
Nov 13 20:18:14 <soken> why?
Nov 13 20:19:11 <soken> quickdev, no frameworkd updates
Nov 13 20:19:24 <quickdev> soken, have you flashed an image recently?
Nov 13 20:20:07 <soken> not since troubleshooting it last time
Nov 13 20:20:58 <quickdev> soken, opkg list | grep frameworkd please
Nov 13 20:22:01 <fer> to do a bug report there, it's not a user related problem but a dev bug
Nov 13 20:22:21 <soken> quickdev, frameworkd - 0.8.4.2+gitr742+81baa47011a66ad2813f0e8b6e51996827761a00-r0.1 
Nov 13 20:22:31 <soken> do want the entire output?
Nov 13 20:22:55 <quickdev> no, ok
Nov 13 20:23:12 <quickdev> alphaone, have you fixed: AttributeError: 'AbstractSMS' object has no attribute 'ud' ?
Nov 13 20:23:23 <quickdev> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/69 <<- see comment
Nov 13 20:23:38 <quickdev> alphaone, sorry
Nov 13 20:23:42 <quickdev> didn't see your comment
Nov 13 20:23:52 <alphaone> quickdev: No, working on SMS in a second
Nov 13 20:23:55 <quickdev> soken, he said: "Maybe I'll have a chance to look at this during our two day codesprint on Thu/Fri."
Nov 13 20:24:05 <quickdev> alphaone, even better :)
Nov 13 20:24:06 <alphaone> currently going through the tracs and commenting/closing
Nov 13 20:24:17 <quickdev> ok :)
Nov 13 20:25:35 <soken> quickdev, how would I check if it has been fixed if I don't have the messages anymore?
Nov 13 20:25:58 <quickdev> soken, does shr work perfectly for you now?
Nov 13 20:26:32 <soken> I think so :)
Nov 13 20:27:22 <quickdev> damn..then we can't reproduce it anymore ;)
Nov 13 20:29:37 <soken> it's a shame... it seems I was a little quick on the.. ehm delete commands
Nov 13 20:30:00 <quickdev> yeah, hehe ;()
Nov 13 20:30:01 <quickdev> ;)
Nov 13 20:30:13 <quickdev> ssweeny, here?
Nov 13 20:31:09 <alphaone> mickey|meeting: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1825
Nov 13 20:35:34 <soltys> any ideas why screen of my fr becomes off after 30 sec eaven when i'm typing sth? only aux turns it on...
Nov 13 20:35:54 <soltys> (shr)
Nov 13 20:36:47 <soken> soltys, I had this issue and a reboot solved it
Nov 13 20:37:25 <soltys> hm I'll try it but i've done that before afaik
Nov 13 20:38:20 <quickdev> soltys, did you flash the right kernel?
Nov 13 20:38:30 <soltys> yeap
Nov 13 20:38:37 <soltys> yesterday it worked fine
Nov 13 20:39:29 <alphaone> quickdev, Ainulindale: Would you mind adding FSO as a keyword to bugs that are of interest to the FSO team?
Nov 13 20:39:39 <alphaone> that would make sighting the bugs easier
Nov 13 20:40:34 <quickdev> alphaone, done
Nov 13 20:40:44 <alphaone> quickdev: cool, thanks
Nov 13 20:40:52 <bumbl> who is responsible for the ringtone=
Nov 13 20:40:53 <bumbl> ?
Nov 13 20:40:55 <bumbl> :)
Nov 13 20:41:20 <quickdev> bumbl, if you've got a good one..tell us
Nov 13 20:41:27 <quickdev> and bumbl, could you please create a ticket for dillo?
Nov 13 20:41:41 <bumbl> sure
Nov 13 20:42:08 <alphaone> quickdev: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/70 can be closed now?
Nov 13 20:42:15 <bumbl> quickdev: i don't have anything against the ringtone ;) it's a special one
Nov 13 20:42:39 <quickdev> alphaone, let's wait till ssweeny confirms the function
Nov 13 20:42:47 <quickdev> but I think it's fixed now ;)
Nov 13 20:43:13 <alphaone> quickdev: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/70#comment:8
Nov 13 20:43:14 <alphaone> ?
Nov 13 20:45:40 <alphaone> quickdev: ssweeny already commented on the ticket
Nov 13 20:46:28 <quickdev> alphaone, sorry. I have to be more attentive. I closed it. Thanks.
Nov 13 20:46:37 <alphaone> quickdev:  :-)
Nov 13 20:47:00 <alphaone> quickdev: Since you always find so many bugs in the stuff I write I need to pay you back somehow ;-)
Nov 13 20:47:02 <soltys> soken: hm now it's okey
Nov 13 20:47:03 <bumbl> quickdev: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/83
Nov 13 20:47:41 <quickdev> bumbl, we'll think about it
Nov 13 20:47:49 <soken> soltys, great! I wonder what the real issue is though..
Nov 13 20:48:40 <bumbl> quickdev: thank you
Nov 13 20:48:55 <bumbl> dillo is not the best browser for a desktop
Nov 13 20:49:13 <bumbl> but it's the best browser for the moko at the moment (imho)
Nov 13 20:50:37 <ssweeny> quickdev, alphaone really appreciate the effort
Nov 13 20:57:48 <quickdev> alphaone, do you know if mickey talked to abraxa yet?
Nov 13 20:58:54 <sicu> dillo doesnt support ads ... ohnoes, it's a disastor
Nov 13 20:59:08 <sicu> *disaster
Nov 13 20:59:42 <quickdev> hrr ;)
Nov 13 21:08:21 <sicu> quickdev: any idea why filesdir = $(datadir)/alarm/sounds wasn't created for the alarm-app in SHR ?
Nov 13 21:08:36 <quickdev> I don't know
Nov 13 21:08:53 <sicu> meh, nm, already a ticket: #78
Nov 13 21:08:54 <quickdev> ping Ainulindale 
Nov 13 21:08:58 <sicu> i must be blind
Nov 13 21:10:13 <sicu> i do like a silent alarm btw ... makes for really nice sleepy mornings ;]
Nov 13 21:14:39 <soken> what's up with the frameworkd package? ophonekitd fails with a missing file error, it cannot find ophonekitd-main.d
Nov 13 21:22:05 <quickdev> soken, frameworkd package or ophonekitd package?
Nov 13 21:22:23 <soken> frameworkd package
Nov 13 21:22:59 <mrmoku> quickdev: Ainulindale said something about not being able to be here today on the mailing list
Nov 13 21:23:28 <soken> quickdev, it's unable to find ophonekitd-phonegui.d as well
Nov 13 21:23:45 <soken> and note it says .d and not .c
Nov 13 21:24:06 <quickdev> soken, try to bitbake -c mrproper ophonekitd and then build it again
Nov 13 21:25:09 <bumbl> quickdev: what can I do if the sim dialog does not show up?
Nov 13 21:25:31 <quickdev> bumbl, show us /tmp/ophonekitd.log
Nov 13 21:26:33 <bumbl> hmm quickdev it showed up after the third reboot
Nov 13 21:26:51 <quickdev> bumbl, try to reproduce the error and paste the ophonkeitd.log please :)
Nov 13 21:26:53 <bumbl> but i'll paste the log if i can reproduce it
Nov 13 21:27:19 <quickdev> fine :)
Nov 13 21:27:22 <bumbl> and: e segfaults every now and then
Nov 13 21:27:28 <ssweeny> quickdev, bad news
Nov 13 21:28:27 <ssweeny> i'm getting occasional segfaulting in e and in ophonekitd
Nov 13 21:28:29 <soltys> bumbl: restart xserver ;)
Nov 13 21:28:57 <soken> quickdev, it seems to be working now
Nov 13 21:29:13 <soltys> it happens to me sometimes too ;)
Nov 13 21:29:15 <quickdev> ssweeny, is gsm panel applet enabled?
Nov 13 21:29:21 <ssweeny> quickdev: yes
Nov 13 21:29:31 <quickdev> have you enabled it?
Nov 13 21:29:34 <ssweeny> i have
Nov 13 21:29:37 <quickdev> that's the cause
Nov 13 21:29:40 <ssweeny> ahh
Nov 13 21:29:41 <quickdev> that's why it was disabled ;)
Nov 13 21:29:52 <quickdev> soltys, same for you ;)
Nov 13 21:29:53 <ssweeny> so is there another way to know gsm status?
Nov 13 21:30:36 <soltys> quickdev: thats may be it
Nov 13 21:30:46 <soltys> but restarting x also helps ;)
Nov 13 21:30:48 <quickdev> not yet....shell of course...will be fixed soon
Nov 13 21:31:14 <ssweeny> ok, i can live with it for a while
Nov 13 21:31:23 <ssweeny> just have to guess that i can make a call :)
Nov 13 21:31:44 <quickdev> I'm happy without it..gsm is very reliable for me
Nov 13 21:32:28 <ssweeny> i occasionally go out of call range
Nov 13 21:32:31 <ssweeny> (into the boonies)
Nov 13 21:32:54 <ssweeny> so it's nice to see signal strength
Nov 13 21:33:45 <quickdev> ssweeny, where are you living? :)
Nov 13 21:34:14 <ssweeny> quickdev: i live in Pittsburgh, PA, USA but i have family in some of the nearby rural areas
Nov 13 21:34:29 <quickdev> ah, ok :)
Nov 13 21:34:40 <quickdev> it will be enabled again soon
Nov 13 21:34:43 <quickdev> stefan_schmidt, here?
Nov 13 21:34:54 <ssweeny> now that that's sorted... next step is getting doom working
Nov 13 21:35:06 <ssweeny> and i guess my school project too
Nov 13 21:35:31 <quickdev> what's your school project?
Nov 13 21:35:39 <soken> quickdev, I was too quick when reporting success, it failed again
Nov 13 21:35:52 <ssweeny> quickdev: portable heartbeat monitor and diagnosis
Nov 13 21:36:09 <ssweeny> it's supposed to read a ECG signal and sort out the beats and look for trouble
Nov 13 21:36:37 <quickdev> ssweeny, fine :)
Nov 13 21:36:46 <quickdev> ssweeny, how old are you if I may ask?
Nov 13 21:36:50 <ssweeny> 25
Nov 13 21:36:52 <quickdev> soken, please show the log :)
Nov 13 21:36:52 <ssweeny> you?
Nov 13 21:37:00 <quickdev> 19
Nov 13 21:37:26 <ssweeny> cool
Nov 13 21:37:46 <ssweeny> wish i was that involved in OSS at 19
Nov 13 21:38:27 <quickdev> :)
Nov 13 21:39:13 <soltys> ;]
Nov 13 21:40:18 <soken> quickdev: http://rafb.net/p/b0ZZ2K74.html
Nov 13 21:40:53 <quickdev> soken, ah..that .d bug...I don't know :/
Nov 13 21:41:14 <soken> quickdev, is it known since before?
Nov 13 21:41:56 <quickdev> it's unknown
Nov 13 21:42:14 <soken> aha :)
Nov 13 21:42:27 <quickdev> you tried mrproper?
Nov 13 21:42:53 <soken> twice actually
Nov 13 21:43:35 <sicu> mrnotsoproper
Nov 13 21:44:06 <soken> and I have three different missing file variations: ophonekitd-phonegui.d or ophonekitd-main.d or both of them
Nov 13 21:44:41 <mwester> quickdev is just a baby still!  :p
Nov 13 21:44:53 <mwester> You're both making me feel ancient...
Nov 13 21:45:10 <ssweeny> quickdev makes me feel old
Nov 13 21:47:29 <quickdev> hehe :)
Nov 13 21:48:07 <sicu> gah ... raster, your phone.wav in elementary-alarm would drive me crazy, will have to change that one :p
Nov 13 21:48:17 <sicu> raster: hi btw =]
Nov 13 21:48:21 <quickdev> hey raster 
Nov 13 21:50:08 <quickdev> raster, there's one thing I wanted to ask you: Are you working on a system menu (illume) ?
Nov 13 21:51:24 <Hire> system menu...?
Nov 13 21:51:44 <ssweeny> to replace the "settings" UI?
Nov 13 21:52:18 <quickdev> for example to lock the screen...I think I have heard him talking about. But maybe I'm wrong.
Nov 13 21:56:00 * Hire pings raster
Nov 13 21:57:39 * ssweeny wouldn't mind clock and volume mixer UI
Nov 13 21:57:39 <sicu> poor raster, bogged down before he even gets his morning coffee
Nov 13 21:57:45 <mrmoku> locking the screen is one of the things I'm missing most
Nov 13 21:58:13 <sicu> i miss opimd the most
Nov 13 21:58:16 <Kensan> let the man get settled. He's been away for so long the old man has got to get used to this internet thing again ;)
Nov 13 21:58:48 <sicu> =]
Nov 13 21:58:52 <quickdev> mrmoku, same for me ;)
Nov 13 21:59:30 <sicu> no need to lock the screen ... it gets locked when you suspend ;p
Nov 13 21:59:35 <mrmoku> right now I'm opening a terminal before putting it in my pocket ;)
Nov 13 21:59:35 <Kensan> does anybody know how opimd is supposed to move forward? I've heard abraxa is working on integrating it with the rest?
Nov 13 21:59:43 <quickdev> sicu, what if you want to see tangogps running?
Nov 13 21:59:52 <mrmoku> argh, suspend is no option for us WSoD's :(
Nov 13 22:00:24 <quickdev> Kensan, you should ask mickey|meeting about it..he wanted to talk with abraxa
Nov 13 22:00:43 <sicu> quickdev: ah, in that case i do as mrmoku does, only with sketchbook instead of terminal
Nov 13 22:00:57 <mrmoku> :-)
Nov 13 22:01:11 <quickdev> mrmoku, I hopw WSOD will be fixed soon
Nov 13 22:01:40 <mrmoku> if andy would finally switch the kernel to stable-tracking...
Nov 13 22:01:49 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rad6119a9ca57 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: add another %CCCN example
Nov 13 22:01:51 * sicu summons abraxa to his opimd task
Nov 13 22:02:00 <quickdev> mrmoku, he has found a solution?
Nov 13 22:02:43 <mrmoku> his idea is to allways reset the glamo completely on resume
Nov 13 22:03:09 <mrmoku> but there is still some other problem he has to solve
Nov 13 22:03:53 <mrmoku> from time to time I try stable-tracking - and it gives me white screens without even suspending or blanking :-)
Nov 13 22:04:01 <quickdev> hehe :)
Nov 13 22:04:06 <mwester> we really need to get Om working on those last little details.
Nov 13 22:04:45 * Kensan nods frantically
Nov 13 22:05:56 * sicu listens to Kensans brain rattle
Nov 13 22:06:02 <mrmoku> quickdev: how is one supposed to build a lite image? bitbake shr-lite?
Nov 13 22:06:12 <quickdev> I think so
Nov 13 22:06:17 <quickdev> shr-image-lite
Nov 13 22:06:20 <quickdev> shr-lite-image
Nov 13 22:06:23 <quickdev> don't know..ask Ainulindale 
Nov 13 22:06:30 <quickdev> or look it up somewhere :)
Nov 13 22:06:47 <sicu>  . setup-env && bitbake shr-image-lite
Nov 13 22:06:56 <Hire> Ainulindale? are you there?
Nov 13 22:08:10 <Hire> *sigh*
Nov 13 22:08:50 <sicu> what's up Hire ?
Nov 13 22:09:29 * Hire is sad
Nov 13 22:09:36 * sicu hands Hire an openmoocow to cheer him up
Nov 13 22:10:02 <Hire> it doesn't work on my fr
Nov 13 22:10:19 <sicu> hmm, weird
Nov 13 22:10:24 * Hire is more sad then before
Nov 13 22:22:19 <soken> fer, does ophonekitd build for you?
Nov 13 22:23:29 <quickdev> have to go
Nov 13 22:23:31 <quickdev> cya guys
Nov 13 22:23:35 <fer> i'm compiling xorg-server, ophone.. is after or before?
Nov 13 22:23:50 <fer> bye quickdev 
Nov 13 22:24:03 <Hire> bye  quickdev
Nov 13 22:24:29 <fer> NOTE: Running task 4149 of 5835
Nov 13 22:24:31 <fer> NOTE: Checking Package: xserver-xorg-xprint
Nov 13 22:25:22 <soken> fer, check higher up, do you see any errors?
Nov 13 22:26:38 * raster wakes up
Nov 13 22:26:40 <raster> boo
Nov 13 22:27:55 <raster> sicu: i just quickly found some gpl licenses .wav and threw it in
Nov 13 22:27:58 <raster> didnt hunt for anything nice
Nov 13 22:28:05 <raster> hmm
Nov 13 22:28:07 <raster> quickdev gone
Nov 13 22:28:07 <raster> boo
Nov 13 22:29:41 <soken> fer, whats you're threading options? do you build multiple packages at once?
Nov 13 22:30:04 <Richy> My phone is missing calls! And it's not even in suspend
Nov 13 22:30:21 <sicu> raster: well, it gets the job done in waking me up
Nov 13 22:30:24 <Richy> (SHR; opkg upgrade just a few minutes ago)
Nov 13 22:30:53 <Hire> we want moar info on your works :o
Nov 13 22:33:55 <fer> soken, no, just one package at time
Nov 13 22:35:00 <raster> sicu: hahahah
Nov 13 22:35:53 <soken> fer, it has probably not been built yet
Nov 13 22:36:09 <soken> I wish you luck :)
Nov 13 22:36:38 <fer> ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary 
Nov 13 22:36:51 <fer> I get this error some minutes ago
Nov 13 22:36:59 <fer> but it's still compiling
Nov 13 22:37:49 <fer> and i can't find other errors
Nov 13 22:38:06 <soken> I haven't seen that error anywhere related to ophonekitd that I know of
Nov 13 22:38:35 <soken> And it seems some ERRORs aren't fatal
Nov 13 22:41:47 <fer> soken, you upgrade sources before start lite-image compiling?
Nov 13 22:43:12 <soken> fer, not before starting the compile but after I started getting errors
Nov 13 22:43:13 <fer> my sources come from yesterday night check out
Nov 13 22:43:41 <soken> ah, mine are the latest
Nov 13 22:43:53 <fer> and do you get errors again
Nov 13 22:44:06 <soken> I still get errors yes
Nov 13 22:44:32 <sicu> Hire: btw, how come you can't run openmoocow? what happens?
Nov 13 22:45:01 <Hire> black screen
Nov 13 22:45:05 <Hire> i don't know why
Nov 13 22:45:13 <Hire> i have to retry it
Nov 13 22:45:15 <alphaone> Ainulindale: You guys have mickeyterm on your shr-image?
Nov 13 22:45:22 <sicu> Hire: opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/openmoocow_0.1_armv4t.ipk
Nov 13 22:45:52 <Hire> azz..
Nov 13 22:45:54 <Hire> lazyness :
Nov 13 22:46:26 <sicu> alphaone: yes they do
Nov 13 22:46:34 <alphaone> sicu: Cool, thanks
Nov 13 22:46:44 <sicu> alphaone: or at least it runs fine here, and i didnt install it ;]
Nov 13 22:46:49 <Hire> alphaone: Yes we have it
Nov 13 22:46:53 <alphaone> :-)
Nov 13 22:46:54 <soken> fer, latest shange to ophonekitd was made the 11th, so we should have the same sources for ophonekitd
Nov 13 22:47:28 <sicu> argh, what's the command to exit mickeyterm again?
Nov 13 22:47:37 <alphaone> Ctrl-D
Nov 13 22:47:41 <alphaone> :-)
Nov 13 22:48:00 <sicu> alphaone: thx =]
Nov 13 22:48:01 <fer> yes, but are you sure that the problem isn't an api breackage in some lib?
Nov 13 22:49:00 <sicu> Hire: you have got to be the laziest person i know ;p
Nov 13 22:49:17 <soken> fer, no, I'm not shure, but it feels like there would have been a different message if there were api breakages
Nov 13 22:49:26 <sicu> Hire: and still you manage to get stuff done =]
Nov 13 22:49:46 <Hire> sicu: naah... the laziest person is Ainulindale :D
Nov 13 22:49:51 <sicu> haha
Nov 13 22:50:09 <Hire> sure and i am going to be crazy with that stuff :)
Nov 13 22:53:11 <stefan_schmidt> raster: mickey|meeting and I started to review your OE patches right now. Will push the first batch later and send you a mail about the status of the others later.
Nov 13 22:53:33 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Your numptyphysics stuff should go in as well today
Nov 13 22:53:59 <raster> stefan_schmidt: cool! i'm catching up on stuff right now
Nov 13 22:55:12 <fer> soken, tomorrow morning I'll tell you something even if it compile fine or it crasches
Nov 13 22:57:47 <fer> raster, without pam support we can't use enlightenment_remote -lock-desktop , right?
Nov 13 22:58:32 <fer> how do you (devs) think to implement the lock of the screen?
Nov 13 23:00:25 <raster> fer:  that wont help u a lot as it'll use e's desklock
Nov 13 23:00:33 <raster> whihc will need a password to be entered (the user password)
Nov 13 23:00:36 <raster> and yes needs pam
Nov 13 23:00:42 <raster> anbd desklock will not use the vkbd
Nov 13 23:01:42 <fer> ok, I thought that the use of the password could be dropped with a new pam module ..
Nov 13 23:04:00 <fer> but I can't find pam in repos and that would be a great problem! ;)
Nov 13 23:05:41 <raster> well pam wont help
Nov 13 23:05:53 <raster> as the ui will EXPECT a password to be entered to unlock
Nov 13 23:06:46 <fer> ok, now i understand how lock screen work
Nov 13 23:07:43 <fer> but in this way, for example, if someone has a smart card reader to autenticate it can't use only that with e17?
Nov 13 23:08:10 <fer> or a modern laptop with finger print
Nov 13 23:08:44 <fer> recognition
Nov 13 23:08:54 <raster> right now the code doesnt understand these "ExtendeD" pam systems
Nov 13 23:09:00 <raster> it doesnt know they exust or how to drive/use them
Nov 13 23:09:02 <raster> so it wouldnt work
Nov 13 23:09:10 <raster> i simply dont have one my self
Nov 13 23:09:17 <raster> and havent looked into how it all works
Nov 13 23:10:06 <fer> me too, only a small idea: here is night and my brain get crazy ;)
Nov 13 23:12:08 <raster> sure
Nov 13 23:12:11 <raster> it makes sense
Nov 13 23:12:21 <raster> e's desklock (the default one) is just very old-school
Nov 13 23:12:26 <raster> thats why illume has "simplelock"
Nov 13 23:12:27 <raster> no passowrd
Nov 13 23:12:36 <raster> just block screne from doing anythnig to apps
Nov 13 23:15:20 <Kensan> raster: hi there, been busy?
Nov 13 23:16:43 <Hire> leave raster aloneeeee
Nov 13 23:17:24 <raster> Kensan:  yes. had to travel off to koreaaah land for 3 days
Nov 13 23:17:56 <Kensan> raster: ah, business or pleasure? ;) I though you were also moving.
Nov 13 23:18:41 <raster> business
Nov 13 23:18:42 <raster> and yes
Nov 13 23:18:49 <raster> also have to move ouses at some point soon
Nov 13 23:18:55 <sirkha_top> hi, just put the new image on my free runner... it didn't start zhone, and doesn't have a link to either zhone or the terminal... am i doing something wrong?
Nov 13 23:19:11 <mickey|meeting> sounds like you chose the console or illume image
Nov 13 23:19:15 <mickey|meeting> try fso-image
Nov 13 23:19:20 <sirkha_top> i see
Nov 13 23:19:37 <sirkha_top> i chose the illume image, i sort of thought that included everything
Nov 13 23:19:44 <sirkha_top> and was wondering what the hell the other image was for
Nov 13 23:19:50 <sirkha_top> thanks
Nov 13 23:20:06 <mickey|meeting> guess we'll rename fso-image to fso-image-zhone
Nov 13 23:20:10 <Kensan> raster: ah ic. Btw, did you get an email because of the pandora refund/reorder? I got my money back but I never got an email...
Nov 13 23:20:17 <sirkha_top> illume looks shiney
Nov 13 23:20:47 <raster> Kensan:  i haven't seen an email
Nov 13 23:20:58 <raster> i was expecting one
Nov 13 23:21:21 <raster> need to check my bank detailes/statements
Nov 13 23:21:55 <Kensan> raster: yeah me too... they are taking requests for prototypes btw.
Nov 13 23:33:08 <Kensan> raster: did you catch that: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-November/006415.html ? Potential new member of your gang ;)
Nov 13 23:33:50 <raster> hmm
Nov 13 23:34:02 <raster> ooh already heard about that on the rumor mill
Nov 13 23:34:13 <raster> maybe will snap one up
Nov 13 23:34:14 <raster> maybe not
Nov 13 23:34:14 <Kensan> raster: well it's the same display/res as the openmoko phones so might not be that interesting.
Nov 13 23:34:16 <raster> depends
Nov 13 23:34:34 <raster> i probably will soon have much more interestign hardware
Nov 13 23:34:35 <raster> :)
Nov 13 23:34:39 <Kensan> the interesting part is that it's 3G
Nov 13 23:34:54 <Kensan> raster: ah :) fair enough
Nov 13 23:36:50 * raster whistles a tune and says nothing
Nov 13 23:36:56 <raster> la di da da da la
Nov 13 23:37:17 <Kensan> raster: don't make us beg for more details *heh*
Nov 13 23:38:06 <Kensan> raster: well probably all top-secret nda'd stuff. Just get your job done quickly so all the stuff gets out in the open :)
Nov 13 23:38:08 * stefan_schmidt has one here :)
Nov 13 23:38:11 <raster> u wont get them unfortunately
Nov 13 23:38:20 <stefan_schmidt> Mechanical stuff could be better
Nov 13 23:38:24 <raster> hot me a bag of nda goop
Nov 13 23:38:25 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: ah there you are
Nov 13 23:38:28 <raster> err got me
Nov 13 23:38:29 <stefan_schmidt> I like the keyboard though
Nov 13 23:38:54 <Kensan> raster: hehe well, I trust it we will see the eyecandy soon enough ;)
Nov 13 23:38:56 * stefan_schmidt will now boot a kernel and fso-image on the m800 and show the other fso guys here at the meeting
Nov 13 23:40:01 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: are you working on the M800?
Nov 13 23:40:04 <mickey|meeting> yeeah
Nov 13 23:40:22 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I was just wondering because there's an M810 but I don't know if it's completely different or "close enoug"
Nov 13 23:40:33 <sirkha_top> i am not sure if i shared this thought with yall, but what i would really like to see, (and would work on if i had time) is a totally illume based fso system, with all the home screen stuff happening on illume's desktop in the form of gadgets...
Nov 13 23:40:40 <raster> ugh
Nov 13 23:40:46 <raster> m800 m810, n800, n810...
Nov 13 23:40:50 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Well, a bit. As time permits. Have M800 support for OE here which I will push soon. Will leave kernel for Harald this time though :)
Nov 13 23:40:51 <raster> too close!
Nov 13 23:40:55 <stefan_schmidt> raster: heh
Nov 13 23:41:05 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Well it has a QVGA screen only
Nov 13 23:41:08 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: you three having a fso get together? 
Nov 13 23:41:15 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  i thought it was vga?
Nov 13 23:41:16 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: X800 and M800 are the only ones with VGA
Nov 13 23:41:17 <raster> the glofish?
Nov 13 23:41:33 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I guess you have to pay your debt (mate) to alphaone *hehe*
Nov 13 23:41:43 <stefan_schmidt> The both above have VGA, the exact same screen then GTA01/02
Nov 13 23:41:51 <alphaone> Kensan: He onyl brought three...
Nov 13 23:41:59 <stefan_schmidt> ?
Nov 13 23:42:02 <Kensan> alphaone: tz
Nov 13 23:42:15 <stefan_schmidt> For what to pay?
Nov 13 23:42:46 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I remember you saying/writing to alphaone that you "owe" him mate :)
Nov 13 23:42:58 <Kensan> for whatever reaseon
Nov 13 23:43:00 <Kensan> reason
Nov 13 23:43:10 <Kensan> well there's always a reason
Nov 13 23:43:12 <Kensan> *heh*
Nov 13 23:43:13 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: hmm, I should be more careful with my writings ;)
Nov 13 23:43:30 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: One would be that I normaly drink all of his mate :)
Nov 13 23:43:45 <Kensan> well cheers to you guys! FSO is coming along nicely!
Nov 13 23:43:52 <Kensan> haha
Nov 13 23:44:11 <Kensan> ok I'll not invite you to my place then, gotta remember that
Nov 13 23:44:56 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hm I guess the M810 has a different screen but the rest of the components could be the same as the m800...
Nov 13 23:45:32 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Can't tell you for sure. Feeling says yes. No hard facts for me.
Nov 13 23:46:02 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: yeah, I was looking around and saw one for about 200 Euro.
Nov 13 23:46:28 <Kensan> so I am considering giving it a shot...
Nov 13 23:46:37 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb2f48bef7d64 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: 
Nov 13 23:46:37 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for supplying PDUs in a file on stand-alone operation
Nov 13 23:46:37 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: Put PDUs separated by newlines in two files, one for MO and one for MT
Nov 13 23:46:37 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: messages then call sms.py with the filenames for MO and MT PDUs as
Nov 13 23:46:39 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: parameter.
Nov 13 23:46:46 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: If you feel a bit like adventure buy it and we wil find out :D
Nov 13 23:47:16 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: ah damnit, it's the x800
Nov 13 23:47:23 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I thought it was the M810 :(
Nov 13 23:48:04 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: X800 is quite nice from mechanical point I heard. Still missing keyboard broke it for me.
Nov 13 23:48:15 <Kensan> I think 200 euros is a very good price for a brand new X800..
Nov 13 23:48:40 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I got the M800 for 250Eur
Nov 13 23:48:50 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: yeah... that's why I was quite interested in the M810.
Nov 13 23:48:51 <stefan_schmidt> Also brand new. No idea why the devices are that cheap
Nov 13 23:48:59 <Kensan> oh really?
Nov 13 23:49:00 <stefan_schmidt> But it's good for us :)
Nov 13 23:49:11 <Kensan> They sell for 500 euro here in CH :(
Nov 13 23:49:21 <Kensan> everything is ridiculously expensive around here
Nov 13 23:51:06 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: did you buy it online?
Nov 13 23:52:22 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Give me a moment
Nov 13 23:56:21 <sirkha_top> new zhone looks nice too
Nov 13 23:58:22 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  yo.. are u guys going to use git for pim?
Nov 13 23:58:36 <raster> if you do... i'm all for it
Nov 13 23:58:54 <raster> and even then - dont expose all of the pim via dbus
Nov 13 23:59:05 <raster> but just expose the pim location
Nov 13 23:59:20 <raster> and then if pim is just a directory tree with (for example) 1 contact per file
Nov 13 23:59:38 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: re, just showed the guys booting the device into illume and zhone :)
Nov 13 23:59:41 <raster> and u use git to add/remove and otherwise keep a local branch, push changes when online to a central repo
Nov 13 23:59:42 <raster> etc.
Nov 13 23:59:48 <raster> that'd make perfect sense to me
Nov 13 23:59:58 <raster> contact apps just load contacts from the dir tree and exec some git commands
Nov 13 23:59:59 <raster> :)
Nov 14 00:00:16 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I thought you hate git :)
Nov 14 00:01:14 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: yeah, bought it online
Nov 14 00:01:36 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: https://cdkauf-online.de/ First item
Nov 14 00:01:57 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: awesome thanks!
Nov 14 00:02:17 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  i do :)
Nov 14 00:02:30 <raster> stefan_schmidt: but it doesnt mean it isnt a good solution for the problem space
Nov 14 00:02:30 <raster> :)
Nov 14 00:02:40 <Kensan> raster: yeah, what's with you and the git craziness?!?! ;)
Nov 14 00:02:41 <stefan_schmidt> raster: heh
Nov 14 00:03:02 <raster> Kensan:  because for me - git is always "not working" or fucking up and in the end just wasting mountains of my time
Nov 14 00:03:11 <raster> a lot of that is probably oe's bizarre git world
Nov 14 00:03:18 <raster> where they say u can delete a bracnh
Nov 14 00:03:19 <Kensan> raster: heh
Nov 14 00:03:21 <raster> but u actually cant
Nov 14 00:03:28 <raster> and they say u can commit to a branch this way
Nov 14 00:03:29 <raster> but u cant
Nov 14 00:03:30 <raster> etc. etc.
Nov 14 00:03:34 <Kensan> with "craziness" meant you actually *endorsing* git :)
Nov 14 00:03:38 <raster> and then keep changing git repo/head/whatever
Nov 14 00:04:41 <stefan_schmidt> raster: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/oe/patches/0009-xserver-kdrive-common-fix-xserver-nodm-to-set-HOME.patch
Nov 14 00:04:55 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I guess this one is b0rked on your side?
Nov 14 00:04:58 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: that's ridiculous. Here I pay 799 Sfr which is 799 Swiss Franc =  537.313 Euro
Nov 14 00:05:14 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: :(
Nov 14 00:05:19 <Kensan> bummer
Nov 14 00:05:40 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  hmm looks like a re-gen of the patches just got whitespace
Nov 14 00:05:43 <raster> u fixed it upstream
Nov 14 00:05:55 <stefan_schmidt> raster: ok, droped
Nov 14 00:05:58 <raster> originally it had the 
Nov 14 00:05:59 <raster>        [ -z $LOGNAME ] && export LOGNAME=root && export HOME=/home/root 
Nov 14 00:06:00 <raster> ..
Nov 14 00:06:02 <raster> stuff in it
Nov 14 00:06:06 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hm, they don't sell the M810 there... well it's not being sold in CH either.
Nov 14 00:06:09 <raster> do its now upstream
Nov 14 00:06:31 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: btw, is fso using udev-124 now?
Nov 14 00:06:44 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I never actually talked to mickey about it
Nov 14 00:07:13 <TobiX> Maybe I'm just stupid, but why do some packages show up in E's launcher (Zhone, vala-terminal, tangoGPS) and some don't (Tichy, NavIT), even when both create files in /usr/share/applications?
Nov 14 00:07:41 <raster> categories
Nov 14 00:07:55 <raster> the applications.menu puts only apps wthat are in a set of categories in
Nov 14 00:08:29 <raster> also if the .desktop is in both System and Settings category
Nov 14 00:08:35 <raster> then it is filtered otu
Nov 14 00:08:41 <raster> as it will be in e's config panel
Nov 14 00:09:01 <raster> (it considers anything that has those 2 categories a system config tool and thus should be in another place)
Nov 14 00:09:28 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Can you ping me about udev in one or two days again? I'm in the middle of merging so many stuff that I would prefer it to test it later
Nov 14 00:09:57 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: yeah sure, I was just wondering because I had forgotten about it myself. No hurry from my side there :)
Nov 14 00:10:13 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I can send you "the patch" in the meantime *haha*
Nov 14 00:10:22 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: ok, cool. Let us look into this next week
Nov 14 00:10:49 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: right-io
Nov 14 00:11:07 <TobiX> raster: Ah, changing categories works. Thank you.
Nov 14 00:11:12 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Sure, do that. I'm always committing with --author so that will be your first OE contrib :)
Nov 14 00:11:24 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: you should take care of your guests and drink some more :)
Nov 14 00:11:44 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hm don't know maybe a recipe of mine already made it in but I doubt it
Nov 14 00:11:46 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I'm just a guest here. It's alphaone place
Nov 14 00:11:51 <raster> TobiX: as such your app will need to be ain a cat the .menu includes
Nov 14 00:11:58 <raster> its really just a matter of config
Nov 14 00:12:03 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hehe very well then, let him be a good host and bring you another one ;)
Nov 14 00:12:24 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: let me see if it actually got commited.
Nov 14 00:13:32 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hm no :( nobody touched it I guss http://bugzilla.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4758
Nov 14 00:13:35 <Kensan> guess
Nov 14 00:13:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra737603223ce 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: 
Nov 14 00:13:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Introduce SMSError and use it
Nov 14 00:13:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: SMSError will be raised if SMS parsing/generation fails. Currently only
Nov 14 00:13:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: used if the PDU is malformed (which shouldn't happen, but does - see
Nov 14 00:13:48 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/227)
Nov 14 00:14:26 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Let me look on this also, later :)
Nov 14 00:14:34 <stefan_schmidt> raster: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/oe/patches/0010-checksums.ini-hal-checksum-is-wrong-and-makes-it-no.patch
Nov 14 00:14:45 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Also upstream already
Nov 14 00:15:03 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  cool
Nov 14 00:15:09 <raster> more than happy if they already are
Nov 14 00:15:09 <raster> :)
Nov 14 00:15:24 <Kensan> haha don't worry. you guys have enough more important work to do
Nov 14 00:15:28 <Kensan> real work so to speak
Nov 14 00:16:26 <Kensan> raster: I submitted that patch to you and mwester and mwester put it in with his checksum updates I believe
Nov 14 00:16:46 <Kensan> hm or maybe I'm mistaken.
Nov 14 00:17:22 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9bba84ece35f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Ensure that self.ud is set if we receive a binary SMS/CB
Nov 14 00:17:23 <mwester> That one's old - that should be done.
Nov 14 00:18:10 <Kensan> mwester: yeah, I am just trying to figure out if I actually have contributed to Oe or not *haha*
Nov 14 00:18:29 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r089682bb4d96 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
Nov 14 00:18:29 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: otapi: add missing descriptions and mention org.freesmartphone.GSM.AuthFailed
Nov 14 00:18:29 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: being possibly raised for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower()
Nov 14 00:18:29 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r38128f61e658 10/html/index.html: link docs for org.freesmartphone.Events from main page
Nov 14 00:36:08 <Kensan> I'm off. night all
Nov 14 00:41:20 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r39476e4ff80a 10/tools/makedoc.py: tools: first stab at encoding cross-references
Nov 14 00:41:21 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r41a0c404b898 10/html/ (24 files): regenerate everything as per tools update
Nov 14 00:42:11 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r88d19f0c6232 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: 
Nov 14 00:42:11 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change repr method to __repr__ in SMS and CB classes
Nov 14 00:42:11 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: Add some more output in __repr__
Nov 14 00:43:45 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8c2342b8a2ee 10/ (html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html tools/makedoc.py): use absolute URIs for cross-references
Nov 14 00:45:40 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r236730dff061 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: sms.py: Add some more PDUs and add ACKPDUs for testing
Nov 14 00:57:12 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rfe56a6acf1a5 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): otapi: more cross references
Nov 14 00:57:13 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re8690dba93fb 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): otapi: even more crossrefs
Nov 14 01:01:34 <ptitjes> Is there a formal description somewhere of the rule system and syntax of oeventd ?
Nov 14 01:09:41 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5a8ae5f84691 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): yet more cross references and error descriptions
Nov 14 01:13:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r04e2dadbad81 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): minor spelling and cross-ref fixes
Nov 14 01:19:11 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: still alive I see
Nov 14 01:19:32 <mickey|meeting> falling asleep
Nov 14 01:19:42 <mickey|meeting> developing a cold as wel
Nov 14 01:20:32 <DocScrutinizer2> mickey|meeting: stay well!
Nov 14 01:20:38 <mickey|meeting> unfortunately docs carry my name *sigh*
Nov 14 01:20:39 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: :-)
Nov 14 01:20:40 <mickey|meeting> thanks DocScrutinizer2 
Nov 14 01:20:56 <Ainulindale> I was saying that because I was interested in oeventsd
Nov 14 01:21:00 <Ainulindale> And by that I mean
Nov 14 01:21:13 <Ainulindale> Yesterday I was looking forward to be able to address InputEvents on two buttons
Nov 14 01:21:23 <Ainulindale> With two different switches
Nov 14 01:21:30 <Ainulindale> I didn't have time to look at the sources
Nov 14 01:21:37 <Ainulindale> But I was just willing to know if this was doable
Nov 14 01:23:11 <mickey|meeting> i guess so
Nov 14 01:23:22 <mickey|meeting> if these emit regular switch/key codes
Nov 14 01:23:29 <mickey|meeting> just define them as you need in the conf file
Nov 14 01:23:38 <Ainulindale> Problem is
Nov 14 01:23:45 <Ainulindale> The keyword to match an event
Nov 14 01:23:56 <Ainulindale> Is something like HasAttr(switch, 'released')
Nov 14 01:24:03 <Ainulindale> How can I tell this is this or that input?
Nov 14 01:24:42 <mickey|meeting> well, first you define a name
Nov 14 01:24:45 <mickey|meeting> like
Nov 14 01:24:46 <mickey|meeting> report1 = AUX,key,169,1
Nov 14 01:24:55 <mickey|meeting> then you can filter based on this keyname
Nov 14 01:25:04 <Ainulindale> Let me explain myself better
Nov 14 01:25:05 <mickey|meeting> and on the action
Nov 14 01:25:09 <Ainulindale> Let's say I want to match AUX and POWER
Nov 14 01:25:22 <Ainulindale> AUX pushed and short push on POWER (released, 0)
Nov 14 01:25:24 <mickey|meeting> aah
Nov 14 01:25:30 <Ainulindale> That thing isn't doable
Nov 14 01:25:32 <mickey|meeting> yeah
Nov 14 01:25:37 <Ainulindale> And that thing seems quite interesting to me
Nov 14 01:25:38 <mickey|meeting> for that you need a new trigger
Nov 14 01:25:44 <Ainulindale> Ok then
Nov 14 01:25:50 <Ainulindale> I'll try to do that if you don't mind
Nov 14 01:25:58 <Ainulindale> But if you feel this isn't necessary as of the vala migration, won't do
Nov 14 01:25:59 <mickey|meeting> not at all, sounds like a valuable addition
Nov 14 01:26:04 <Ainulindale> Ok then
Nov 14 01:26:11 <Ainulindale> It'll stretch my legs anyway on oeventsd
Nov 14 01:26:15 <mickey|meeting> cool
Nov 14 01:26:35 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: And you should ask raster to implement the link between illume power settings and idle notifier
Nov 14 01:26:38 <Ainulindale> As it's now doable
Nov 14 01:26:42 <Ainulindale> We just need to add persistence on that
Nov 14 01:26:58 <Ainulindale> (Though I don't know how)
Nov 14 01:27:43 <mickey|meeting> yeah, there's a bunch of links between frameworkd and the window manager that have to be done
Nov 14 01:27:51 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: this first thing is quite simple
Nov 14 01:28:11 <Ainulindale> Linking IdleNotifier & illume is easy
Nov 14 01:28:30 <Ainulindale> That would allow us to get rid of the actions on the idle notifier signal
Nov 14 01:28:35 <Ainulindale> And would save us a lot of work
Nov 14 01:28:40 <Ainulindale> And that would please raster, he asked for that
Nov 14 01:28:47 <Ainulindale> (i.e. letting the WM manage the display)
Nov 14 01:29:16 <ptitjes> Does the rule syntax is defined once for all or is it expected to evolve ? Also is there a formal description of it and the engine somewhere ?
Nov 14 01:29:22 <Ainulindale> Hey ptitjes :-)
Nov 14 01:29:29 <Ainulindale> What are you doing tomorrow at noon?
Nov 14 01:29:40 <mickey|meeting> ptitjes: it's evolving. we're not even sure we need the complexity that we have now
Nov 14 01:29:54 <mickey|meeting> i'm still not 100% satisfied w/ the language
Nov 14 01:30:03 <Ainulindale> alphaone: Do you want trac admin ?
Nov 14 01:30:06 <mickey|meeting> but we need to get more experience with it
Nov 14 01:30:09 <mickey|meeting> before refining
Nov 14 01:30:14 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: nothing yet
Nov 14 01:30:15 <Ainulindale> alphaone: I think you should be able to edit anything on this trac as it's as useful for you as it is for us
Nov 14 01:30:23 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: Do you want us to see each other?
Nov 14 01:30:27 <Ainulindale> For this sim problem of yours
Nov 14 01:30:28 <alphaone> Ainulindale: I think I already can
Nov 14 01:30:36 <Ainulindale> alphaone: ok this is great then
Nov 14 01:30:42 <ptitjes> mickey|meeting: I feeling this would need lots of things more and lots of things less
Nov 14 01:30:44 <Ainulindale> Oh by the way, alphaone, mickey|meeting 
Nov 14 01:30:47 <ptitjes> let me explain:
Nov 14 01:30:47 <alphaone> Ainulindale: Yeah :-)
Nov 14 01:30:55 <Ainulindale> Do you know eggertspiele, the company?
Nov 14 01:31:04 <Ainulindale> I just played a board game by them, very nice
Nov 14 01:31:09 <mickey|meeting> never heard
Nov 14 01:31:11 <Ainulindale> (I don't know if you like board games, but you're german)
Nov 14 01:31:16 <mickey|meeting> hehe
Nov 14 01:31:17 <alphaone> Ainulindale: Never heard of them
Nov 14 01:31:24 <mickey|meeting> i enjoy a board game now and then
Nov 14 01:31:31 <Ainulindale> Then try "Antike"
Nov 14 01:31:35 <Ainulindale> Completely determinist game
Nov 14 01:31:36 <Ainulindale> 0 luck
Nov 14 01:31:40 <Ainulindale> True pleasure
Nov 14 01:31:46 <Ainulindale> (and not so long)
Nov 14 01:32:29 <ptitjes> Rules would need variables thus Anuindale would not add a trigger for two simultaneous key pressed
Nov 14 01:33:03 <alphaone> Ainulindale: looks interesting
Nov 14 01:33:10 <ptitjes> Rules would need a uniform way to address DBus triggers and sugar/hardcoded triggers
Nov 14 01:33:16 <Ainulindale> alphaone: I'm a board game geek :-)
Nov 14 01:33:25 <alphaone> hehe
Nov 14 01:34:02 <mickey|meeting> ptitjes: i think we have the latter one already
Nov 14 01:34:06 <ptitjes> Also triggers, filters and actions should be abstracted to a predicate concept
Nov 14 01:34:07 <mickey|meeting> the first one is an inherent problem
Nov 14 01:34:16 <mickey|meeting> on the edge of becoming a programming language
Nov 14 01:34:24 <mickey|meeting> i want it to stay declarative
Nov 14 01:34:31 <mickey|meeting> although that's limiting
Nov 14 01:34:41 <ptitjes> this is why that should be predicate-based
Nov 14 01:35:07 <ptitjes> this can still be declarative
Nov 14 01:35:17 <ptitjes> (wait this is declarative)
Nov 14 01:35:18 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 14 01:35:18 <mickey|meeting> possibly. we need to gather more possible use-cases and rules before moving into that direction though
Nov 14 01:35:19 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: prolog is declarative
Nov 14 01:35:28 <Ainulindale> And it is a programming language :-p
Nov 14 01:35:31 <Ainulindale> (Please hate me now)
Nov 14 01:35:34 <mickey|meeting> prolog is crazy
Nov 14 01:35:45 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: You say that because you're german
Nov 14 01:35:48 <Ainulindale> And python addicted
Nov 14 01:35:52 <mickey|meeting> might be
Nov 14 01:35:55 <mickey|meeting> (both of it)
Nov 14 01:36:00 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: Please remember my language of predilection is camkl
Nov 14 01:36:02 <Ainulindale> caml
Nov 14 01:36:04 <ptitjes> I was thinking about a thing where I would need to have modules of urles
Nov 14 01:36:12 <ptitjes> s/urles/rules/
Nov 14 01:36:51 <ptitjes> A modules would have some rules and an 'enable' and a 'disable' rules
Nov 14 01:37:15 <ptitjes> thus I could package some rule sets that a user could activate/deactivate through a GUI
Nov 14 01:37:37 <mickey|meeting> sounds like our profiles
Nov 14 01:37:42 <mickey|meeting> you can name the rules
Nov 14 01:37:47 <mickey|meeting> and enable/disable them via the profile
Nov 14 01:37:56 <ptitjes> an intermediate approach would be a /etc/freesmartphone/rules.d/ directory but I'm not sure it is sufficient
Nov 14 01:38:12 <ptitjes> mickey|meeting: yes I can enable/disable one rule
Nov 14 01:38:51 <ptitjes> when you have correlating rules you want user to activate them all at once or disable all at once
Nov 14 01:39:13 <ptitjes> sorry s/correlating/correlated/
Nov 14 01:39:46 <Ainulindale> mickey|meeting: see on community?
Nov 14 01:39:50 <Ainulindale> That's why I didn't release
Nov 14 01:39:55 <Ainulindale> I spend time answering mails now
Nov 14 01:40:12 <Ainulindale> Goddamn enthusiat0 people
Nov 14 01:40:16 <Ainulindale> s/0//
Nov 14 01:42:17 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I would be glad to lunch with you tomorow noon
Nov 14 01:42:53 <Ainulindale> Ok then, I'll give you my number
Nov 14 01:42:57 <ptitjes> I test my phone with an Orange SIM card and it worked well though enlightenment crashed at the end of the phone call... :)
Nov 14 02:07:54 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd77e5a83cb57 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py convert.py sms.py): 
Nov 14 02:07:54 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make PDUAddress parsing/generation more robust
Nov 14 02:07:54 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: This adds support for numbers that have *#abd "digits" in them.
Nov 14 02:23:08 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r914dabcf5dc0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): 
Nov 14 02:23:08 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Move {en,de}codePDUNumber to PDUAddress.{pdu,decode}
Nov 14 02:23:08 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: This moves the functions from convert.py to (class) methods of
Nov 14 02:23:08 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: PDUAddress which is much cleaner.
Nov 14 02:33:24 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2a32c9747118 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add parameter to org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetCountryCode() -> ss
Nov 14 02:33:35 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3893dbb08b9a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetCountryCode() -> ss
Nov 14 02:45:34 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9b3f9054f358 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: Rename AbstractSMS -> SMS, make decodeSMS a class method
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