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Nov 15 03:00:07 <quickdev> great..I wish you good success :)
Nov 15 03:00:12 <raster> i have othere things for illume that are more important
Nov 15 03:00:15 <quickdev> Have a good day
Nov 15 03:00:17 <raster> like a power-menu
Nov 15 03:00:19 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 15 03:00:23 <raster> and a universal menu
Nov 15 03:00:40 <raster> (ie press power and u get the menu where u can close an app, get a kbd, shut down or suspend etc.)
Nov 15 03:01:07 <quickdev> yeah..that's fine
Nov 15 03:01:07 <raster> so fullscrene apps no longer hog the ui - u have a "power button always brings up a control menu"
Nov 15 03:01:09 <raster> thing
Nov 15 03:01:23 <quickdev> however...see you the next days ;)
Nov 15 03:01:26 <raster> i need to  split up illume - like launche rneeds to become a gadget on its own
Nov 15 03:01:29 <raster> need to use gadman
Nov 15 03:01:35 <raster> and so on...
Nov 15 03:05:18 <sicu> quickdev: i was thinking about how Hire is doing the icons, wouldn't it be possible to programatically give desktop icons a specific backround/outline colour depending on what category is specified in the .desktop files ?
Nov 15 03:05:38 <sicu> argh .. he's gone
Nov 15 03:05:43 <sicu> ah well
Nov 15 03:15:44 <raster> it would be
Nov 15 03:15:51 <raster> eg "phone" are pink
Nov 15 03:15:54 <raster> games are green
Nov 15 03:15:55 <raster> etc.
Nov 15 03:15:59 <raster> can be done in the launcher
Nov 15 03:16:02 <raster> it has all that info
Nov 15 03:19:27 <sicu> raster: ah, great
Nov 15 03:22:16 <sicu> raster: where is this launcher?
Nov 15 03:23:29 <mwester> pink and green?
Nov 15 03:24:22 <sicu> mwester: not happy with the example colours :p
Nov 15 03:24:31 <raster> illume
Nov 15 03:24:33 <raster> it CAN be done
Nov 15 03:24:37 <raster> u'd have to write code
Nov 15 03:24:47 <raster> as i said
Nov 15 03:24:48 <raster> CAN be done
Nov 15 03:24:51 <raster> :)
Nov 15 03:25:08 <sicu> gives me something to do then =]
Nov 15 03:25:10 <sicu> thx raster
Nov 15 03:26:32 <sicu> just have to brush the dust of my limited programming skills
Nov 15 03:27:19 <sicu> too many years doing 3d and design
Nov 15 03:31:04 <raster> :)
Nov 15 03:31:16 <raster> be prepared for a bit of a deep end
Nov 15 03:31:25 <raster> illume is rather messy
Nov 15 03:31:30 <raster> i know - needs cleaning
Nov 15 03:31:35 <raster> and its efl
Nov 15 03:31:42 <raster> u'll find tonens hidden under abstractions in libs
Nov 15 03:32:03 <sicu> raster: might be a problem since in many of the .desktop files there are more than one category assigned
Nov 15 03:32:37 <sicu> heh, through me straight into the deep end why don't you ;p
Nov 15 03:32:47 <sicu> s/through/throw
Nov 15 03:32:51 <raster> then u need a way to pick a primary one
Nov 15 03:32:52 <raster> :)
Nov 15 03:33:05 <raster> u might want to... try something simpler first
Nov 15 03:33:06 <raster> :)
Nov 15 03:33:55 <sicu> yeh, will deal with it if i get that far ... for now i'll read some messy illume code =]
Nov 15 03:34:11 <raster> hehehe
Nov 15 03:34:18 <raster> dont judge e by illume
Nov 15 03:34:21 <raster> :)
Nov 15 03:34:39 <sicu> hehe, will try not to ;p
Nov 15 03:36:01 <sicu> i have e17 on my desktop, but havn't been thrown into the deep end of its code yet =p
Nov 15 03:36:36 <sicu> i'm in love with the new b&w theme =]
Nov 15 03:38:04 <raster> :)
Nov 15 03:38:11 <raster> i see that that's doing its job then
Nov 15 03:38:53 <sicu> yeh, great job
Nov 15 03:39:00 <raster> its nto complete
Nov 15 03:39:04 <raster> but complete enough to use
Nov 15 03:39:08 <raster> icons everywhere need attention
Nov 15 03:40:07 <sicu> hey, you're speaking to a fellow openmoko customer ... so it's more than complete in comparison
Nov 15 03:40:34 <raster> hahahahahaha
Nov 15 03:41:04 <sicu> well, it's pillow time for me now ... cya!
Nov 15 03:42:18 <raster> nite!
Nov 15 03:43:05 <raster> ok
Nov 15 03:43:12 <raster> hal support for battery is done
Nov 15 03:43:28 <raster> wont run/use batget if hal is running/available
Nov 15 09:23:33 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 15 09:26:56 <mrmoku> morning
Nov 15 09:30:23 <mrmoku> quickdev: anything I can do to make the SHR parts build again?
Nov 15 09:30:40 <quickdev> mrmoku, what's wrong with them? :)
Nov 15 09:30:53 <mrmoku> svn-->git conversion problems me thinks
Nov 15 09:31:34 <quickdev> mrmoku, yes, there is
Nov 15 09:31:40 <quickdev> Ainulindale updated the makefile yesterday
Nov 15 09:31:57 <quickdev> go to the root directory where the makefile is located
Nov 15 09:32:10 <quickdev> then do: make update-common
Nov 15 09:32:11 <mrmoku> the link to the Makefile you mean?
Nov 15 09:32:18 <mrmoku> ah ok
Nov 15 09:32:39 <quickdev> It should say something about a change
Nov 15 09:32:44 <mrmoku> ok this worked
Nov 15 09:32:53 <mrmoku> started build now
Nov 15 09:33:03 <mrmoku> thank you
Nov 15 09:33:03 <quickdev> stay in that directory level
Nov 15 09:33:10 <quickdev> mv shr /tmp/
Nov 15 09:33:12 <quickdev> and then
Nov 15 09:33:14 <quickdev> make setup-shr
Nov 15 09:33:20 <quickdev> it should download the git repositories
Nov 15 09:33:36 <mrmoku> heh, that part I did manually
Nov 15 09:33:52 <mrmoku> cloned the two repos and linked the overlay into the right place
Nov 15 09:34:04 <quickdev> yeah...makefile is doing all stuff for you now :)
Nov 15 09:34:26 <mrmoku> have to bring our old fridge to the waste disposal now
Nov 15 09:34:27 <quickdev> try to continue compiling
Nov 15 09:34:31 <mrmoku> will be back in an hour
Nov 15 09:34:35 <quickdev> hehe..ok :)
Nov 15 10:18:57 <BluesLee> is it a bad idea to opkg upgrade?
Nov 15 10:22:38 <ptitjes> hi all!
Nov 15 10:23:23 <ptitjes> I was wrong
Nov 15 10:23:24 <BluesLee> hi
Nov 15 10:24:39 <ptitjes> The gui for releasing call does not show up when you are called too on SHR
Nov 15 10:25:37 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: could you do a test call to me please ?
Nov 15 10:32:58 <rwhitby> raster: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2037038.txt
Nov 15 10:33:03 <rwhitby> (fso-testing)
Nov 15 10:36:22 <raster> rwhitby: oooh
Nov 15 10:36:33 <raster> ewl doesnt seem to have moved to using eina in its build
Nov 15 10:36:52 <raster> nup
Nov 15 10:36:53 <raster> it hasnt
Nov 15 10:36:59 <raster> :)
Nov 15 10:37:11 <BluesLee> oh, raster is also here, i have a lot of questions;-)
Nov 15 10:37:55 <raster> uh oh
Nov 15 10:37:58 * raster runs
Nov 15 10:37:59 <BluesLee> first: its cute! the fit to screen option does not work well
Nov 15 10:38:17 <BluesLee> my aim is to have a finger friendly profile
Nov 15 10:38:47 <BluesLee> i like that it is highly configurable
Nov 15 10:39:45 <BluesLee> can i reconfigure all apps so that they fit the screen
Nov 15 10:40:01 <BluesLee> or should e do this job automatically?
Nov 15 10:41:08 <Kensan> raster: G'day sir
Nov 15 10:42:44 <raster> errrr?
Nov 15 10:42:46 <raster> umm...
Nov 15 10:42:46 <raster> ?
Nov 15 10:42:49 <raster> Kensan:  yo
Nov 15 10:43:31 <Kensan> raster: what's up? How's your "moving" project going? Found a new place?
Nov 15 10:43:51 <raster> Kensan:  95% there for new place
Nov 15 10:44:05 <raster> unless of couse crap gets in the way
Nov 15 10:44:24 <Kensan> raster: well that's always the problem... too much crap in the way...
Nov 15 10:45:16 <raster> BluesLee:  be more specific?
Nov 15 10:45:19 <Kensan> raster: oh and did you ever get a mail because of the panny refund/reorder?
Nov 15 10:45:28 <raster> Kensan:  havent seen one
Nov 15 10:45:35 <raster> i havent had time to check
Nov 15 10:45:41 <raster> been travelling most of the week
Nov 15 10:46:39 <Kensan> raster: yeah, you said... well at least I hope you got to eat some fantastic korean "yakiniku"
Nov 15 10:47:06 <raster> i did
Nov 15 10:47:13 <raster> now i'm doing some elementary work
Nov 15 10:47:20 <raster> fixing up scaling so it works on the fly
Nov 15 10:47:22 <raster> dynamically
Nov 15 10:47:26 <raster>  whihc... it's beginning to do
Nov 15 10:47:39 <BluesLee> raster: i found a post on the ml concerning scaling factors, i will read it
Nov 15 10:48:08 <Kensan> raster: nice
Nov 15 10:49:26 <Kensan> raster: i'll finally kick the debugboard again today.
Nov 15 10:49:34 <BluesLee> raster: a window (at least the configuration windows) should start in a 480x(640-x) mode and the fonts should be scaled properly so that one can read them
Nov 15 10:49:42 <quickdev> raster, you gave me the hint to use a user's startup folder. Is there a way to add a startup file globally to all users? I'd like to create a package that enables itself to launch at startup
Nov 15 10:49:53 <Kensan> raster: maybe i'll get a bootgraph for the kernel part.
Nov 15 10:50:39 <BluesLee> raster: the is-situtation is different, in illume i cannot rescale the windows and i cannot move to the left or right to do configurations
Nov 15 10:50:56 <raster> BluesLee:  u mean e17's config dialogs?
Nov 15 10:51:04 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 10:51:15 <raster> quickdev:  unfortunately - no there isn't
Nov 15 10:51:17 <raster> :(
Nov 15 10:51:22 <raster> its a users personal setup
Nov 15 10:51:24 <raster> like all things in e
Nov 15 10:51:36 <raster> and its set up the first time u run
Nov 15 10:51:44 <raster> so u never get any srupriseds just by installing stuff
Nov 15 10:52:03 <raster> BluesLee:  yeah. i know that. i have to fix them :)
Nov 15 10:52:06 <BluesLee> my workaround is to use a tiny font and to switch back later:-) 
Nov 15 10:52:18 <raster> thats just a "thats not done yet" thing
Nov 15 10:52:20 <quickdev> raster, how would you solve my problem? Create a profile?
Nov 15 10:52:22 <quickdev> brb
Nov 15 10:52:22 <raster> along with a lot of other stuff
Nov 15 10:52:26 <raster> some of the dialogs work fine
Nov 15 10:52:33 <raster> they are ones i specifically made sure would work
Nov 15 10:52:35 <BluesLee> yeah i know
Nov 15 10:52:42 <raster> quickdev:  or just use elementary from svn?
Nov 15 10:52:54 <raster> it dynamically adapts scaling to e's property on the fluy not
Nov 15 10:52:55 <raster> its not perfect
Nov 15 10:52:58 <BluesLee> this stuff is very promising and impressing raster
Nov 15 10:52:58 <raster> i'm fixing that up
Nov 15 10:52:58 <quickdev> raster, back in half an hour
Nov 15 10:53:12 <raster> but soon u can test it - the windows fonts, widgets - everything just resizes as u change scaling
Nov 15 10:53:24 <raster> i just need to put in some hooks in most widgets
Nov 15 10:53:34 <BluesLee> raster: thank you for your work
Nov 15 10:53:36 <quickdev> great, I'll test it later
Nov 15 10:54:24 <raster> cool
Nov 15 10:54:27 <raster> working like a charm
Nov 15 10:54:30 <raster> morew widgets...
Nov 15 10:54:38 <BluesLee> which ones?
Nov 15 10:54:55 <raster> well need to fix more
Nov 15 10:55:04 <raster> right now butotn, label, icon, frame all scale properly
Nov 15 10:55:05 <BluesLee> where is the difference between a module and a widget?
Nov 15 10:55:13 <raster> widgets are in a widget set
Nov 15 10:55:16 <BluesLee> clock is a widget?
Nov 15 10:55:16 <raster> eg gtk
Nov 15 10:55:17 <raster> or qt
Nov 15 10:55:18 <raster> or etk
Nov 15 10:55:19 <raster> or ewl
Nov 15 10:55:21 <raster> fltk
Nov 15 10:55:34 <raster> modules are just plugins for e (or the krenel or something)
Nov 15 10:56:07 <BluesLee> clock, battery, panel, app back-forward and so on are plugins
Nov 15 10:57:41 <BluesLee> okay, know i see widgets are not impemented yet
Nov 15 10:57:53 <raster> yeah
Nov 15 10:58:02 <BluesLee> there are some gadgets
Nov 15 10:58:02 <raster> widgets exist in e too
Nov 15 10:58:09 <raster> it has its own internal widgets
Nov 15 10:58:19 <raster> gadgets are just objects u plug in somwhere that do something
Nov 15 10:58:22 <raster> they can be anything
Nov 15 10:58:33 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 15 10:59:47 <ptitjes> someone knows where I can find a french word list for illume keyboard ?
Nov 15 11:00:15 <ptitjes> or package names to install one on my desktop I copy to my fr ?
Nov 15 11:00:23 <BluesLee> ptitjes: i dont know, but someone gave me hint with a german one
Nov 15 11:01:00 <BluesLee> ptitjes: you can search for wngerman-20070829.deb
Nov 15 11:01:29 <BluesLee> ptitjes: maybe you find a similar french package
Nov 15 11:02:46 <ptitjes> I don't have w* packages on gentoo
Nov 15 11:03:32 <raster> ptitjes:  /usr/share/dict/words
Nov 15 11:03:33 <raster> :)
Nov 15 11:04:09 <BluesLee> ptitjes: okay, you should copy it to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts
Nov 15 11:04:18 <BluesLee> someone told me
Nov 15 11:04:56 <ptitjes> I know that guys but my /usr/share/dict/ directory is empty
Nov 15 11:05:15 <BluesLee> maybe its a symbolic link?
Nov 15 11:05:22 <raster> ptitjes:  on your desktop?
Nov 15 11:05:36 <ptitjes> yes
Nov 15 11:05:39 <ptitjes> :(
Nov 15 11:05:44 <BluesLee> hmm
Nov 15 11:05:50 <raster> check with gentoo on finding a french dict package
Nov 15 11:07:06 <ptitjes> okay found a track: app-dicts/sword-* packages :)
Nov 15 11:07:38 <BluesLee> http://rpmseek.com/rpm/wfrench_1.2.3-1_all.html?hl=de&cs=french:PN:0:0:2:0:3268339
Nov 15 11:07:53 <BluesLee> there are wfrench packages out there
Nov 15 11:08:58 <BluesLee> i can ssh to the neo but i cannot do an sftp?!
Nov 15 11:09:00 <BluesLee> sftp root@openmoko
Nov 15 11:09:00 <BluesLee> Connecting to openmoko...
Nov 15 11:09:00 <BluesLee> root@openmoko's password:
Nov 15 11:09:00 <BluesLee> sh: /usr/libexec/sftp-server: not found
Nov 15 11:09:00 <BluesLee> Connection closed
Nov 15 11:09:26 <BluesLee> any ideas?
Nov 15 11:09:49 <rebelThor> why don't you scp ?
Nov 15 11:10:33 <mrmoku> quickdev: still no go :(
Nov 15 11:10:42 <quickdev> mrmoku, what's the problem?
Nov 15 11:10:47 <BluesLee> rebelThor: okay, that will do it. in general i use sftp in konqueror so that i can move around
Nov 15 11:10:48 <Weiss> BluesLee: probably there's something you have to install on the Neo to support SFTP. opkg list | grep -i sftp ?
Nov 15 11:11:04 <mrmoku> libframeworkd-phonegui bails out
Nov 15 11:11:31 <quickdev> mrmoku, on compilation? give me the log please :)
Nov 15 11:11:39 <BluesLee> Weiss: gnome-vfs-plugin-sftp - 2.22.0-r0.1 -
Nov 15 11:12:19 <mrmoku> if I look at the workdir I see a libframeworkd-phonegui and a git subdir
Nov 15 11:12:34 <mrmoku> the libfframeworkd-phonegui subdir has just the patches in it
Nov 15 11:12:37 <mrmoku> is this correct?
Nov 15 11:12:43 <Weiss> BluesLee: hmm, ok - alternatively you could install the OpenSSH server on the Neo instead of the Dropbear one, but that might be a bit drastic
Nov 15 11:13:06 <BluesLee> Weiss: yeah, it should be something different, one moment
Nov 15 11:13:09 <mrmoku> and the compile log says nothing to compile :-)
Nov 15 11:13:15 <quickdev> mrmoku, make update-shr <- does that update something?
Nov 15 11:13:32 <mrmoku> did that, it cloned the overlay repo
Nov 15 11:13:53 <Weiss> BluesLee: related but i think different: i had trouble with SCP when i set my default shell on the Neo to bash
Nov 15 11:14:18 <quickdev> mrmoku, please show me the log :)
Nov 15 11:14:27 <mrmoku> which one ;)
Nov 15 11:15:20 <BluesLee> reboot from ssh terminal does not work
Nov 15 11:15:26 <BluesLee> shutdown -h now also
Nov 15 11:15:33 <quickdev> mrmoku, the main one..terminal log
Nov 15 11:16:04 <Weiss> BluesLee: erk.. how did you manage that?
Nov 15 11:16:34 <BluesLee> Weiss: power+aux:-)
Nov 15 11:22:52 <mrmoku> quickdev: http://pastebin.com/d3cc16a8e
Nov 15 11:23:16 <mrmoku> clearly it has the source in the wrong place I think
Nov 15 11:23:57 <quickdev> mrmoku, #
Nov 15 11:23:57 <quickdev> ERROR: see log in /flux/data/privato/openmoko/shr-testing/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libframeworkd-phonegui-0.0.1+r5-svnr473+ebc7d74cf2a7f4a6db88a2303b8c7d123af00f6b-r5/temp/log.do_install.16706
Nov 15 11:24:05 <quickdev> could you paste that, too?
Nov 15 11:25:05 <mrmoku> it's at the bottom :)
Nov 15 11:27:19 <quickdev> mrmoku, yeah, seems to be the wrong directory
Nov 15 11:28:04 <mrmoku> I tried copying the source from the git subdir to libframeworkd-phonegui and did a bitbake -c compile - does not work either
Nov 15 11:29:00 <quickdev> mrmoku, could I see your conf/local.conf?
Nov 15 11:30:03 <mrmoku> quickdev: http://pastebin.com/d5505a14e
Nov 15 11:30:24 <BluesLee> i copied a german dict to the correct path where do i tell the keyboard that it should use it
Nov 15 11:30:25 <quickdev> mrmoku, there's the evil :)
Nov 15 11:30:54 <quickdev> mrmoku, BBFILES += "${TOPDIR}/shr-overlay/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb"
Nov 15 11:31:04 <quickdev> replace the BBFILES var there
Nov 15 11:31:13 <mrmoku> BluesLee: when the keyboard is open you can select the language with the arrow on the top left of the keyboard
Nov 15 11:31:32 <BluesLee> mrmoku: i know that but it does not appear
Nov 15 11:32:04 <mrmoku> BluesLee: where did you put the dict?
Nov 15 11:32:17 <mrmoku> quickdev: hmm, I don't have an shr-overlay dir
Nov 15 11:32:26 <BluesLee> as you told me /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts
Nov 15 11:32:34 <quickdev> <mrmoku> did that, it cloned the overlay repo
Nov 15 11:32:49 <mrmoku> but into shr and not shr-overlay
Nov 15 11:32:56 <quickdev> shr is not the overlay
Nov 15 11:32:58 <quickdev> shr are the apps
Nov 15 11:32:59 <BluesLee> mrmoku: should it fit some naming conventions?
Nov 15 11:33:08 <quickdev> http://shr.bearstech.com/git/
Nov 15 11:33:13 <quickdev> mrmoku, have a short look there
Nov 15 11:33:23 <mrmoku> I named it Deutsch.dic
Nov 15 11:33:45 <quickdev> mrmoku, go to your toplevel, rm -rf shr, rm -rf shr-overlay, make setup-shr
Nov 15 11:34:20 <BluesLee> mrmoku: ok works now
Nov 15 11:34:36 <mrmoku> BluesLee: :)
Nov 15 11:34:58 <BluesLee> mrmoku: the first one in the list is the defualt one?
Nov 15 11:35:07 <mrmoku> quickdev: did, and after that I have shr and not shr-overlay
Nov 15 11:35:09 <BluesLee> mrmoku: i remove the other thats simpler
Nov 15 11:35:09 <MarcOChapeau> good morning
Nov 15 11:35:17 <mrmoku> BluesLee: don't know how to make the german one default :(
Nov 15 11:35:43 <quickdev> mrmoku, try it again please
Nov 15 11:35:46 <BluesLee> mrmoku: remove the others then he has no choice;-)
Nov 15 11:35:59 <mrmoku> quickdev: the makefile does: git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr-overlay.git shr
Nov 15 11:36:04 <mrmoku> so shr is correct
Nov 15 11:36:10 <ptitjes> raster: do you know if the illume keyboard can work with the myspell (oo.o) dictionnaries ?
Nov 15 11:36:25 <quickdev> mrmoku, ahh..ok, one moment
Nov 15 11:36:59 <mrmoku> BluesLee: I don't write many messages, so I don't care :-)
Nov 15 11:37:01 <raster> ptitjes: no idea
Nov 15 11:37:04 <raster> i've never looked
Nov 15 11:37:08 <raster> as such
Nov 15 11:37:08 <mrmoku> instead I might have to add an Italian one...
Nov 15 11:37:09 <raster> it cant
Nov 15 11:37:15 <raster> u'd have to write code to make it use them
Nov 15 11:37:36 <raster> it works with standard unix /usr/share/dict/words stuff
Nov 15 11:37:46 <raster> i believe myspell (and aspell/ispell0
Nov 15 11:37:54 <raster> make binary optimised files somewhere
Nov 15 11:38:02 <quickdev> mrmoku, you're right. Have you already tried bitbake -c mrproper libframeworkd-phonegui ?
Nov 15 11:38:16 <ptitjes> in fact there is a .idx file in it. it looks like this :
Nov 15 11:38:20 <mrmoku> mrproper, no not yet. will do now.
Nov 15 11:38:37 <ptitjes> Afrique,680
Nov 15 11:38:37 <ptitjes> Amati,714
Nov 15 11:38:37 <ptitjes> Amériques,724
Nov 15 11:38:37 <ptitjes> Angélus,758
Nov 15 11:38:37 <ptitjes> Antarctique,776
Nov 15 11:39:04 <ptitjes> i'll try to replace commas with space and try it
Nov 15 11:39:16 <raster> no idea what the numebrs mean
Nov 15 11:39:23 <raster> but the dict format (currently)for illume is
Nov 15 11:39:28 <raster> word freq
Nov 15 11:39:32 <raster> word freq
Nov 15 11:40:10 <raster> aardvark 3
Nov 15 11:40:10 <raster> aardvark's 1
Nov 15 11:40:10 <raster> aardvarks 1
Nov 15 11:40:10 <raster> Aaron 5
Nov 15 11:40:10 <raster> Aaron's 1
Nov 15 11:40:11 <raster> abaci 2
Nov 15 11:40:13 <raster> aback 5
Nov 15 11:40:15 <raster> etc.
Nov 15 11:40:28 <raster> freq is optional
Nov 15 11:45:59 <BluesLee> which repos can i use with shr besides the default ones?
Nov 15 11:47:10 <MarcOChapeau> quickdev: hey quicky :-) is everything done on git now ?
Nov 15 11:50:38 <mrmoku> quickdev: ok, now his actually doing something - have to eat now, will tell you afterwards
Nov 15 11:56:39 <BluesLee> where are the ringtones located?
Nov 15 11:57:07 <ptitjes> raster: i removed the numbers and it behaves quite well :)
Nov 15 11:58:06 <raster> ptitjes: u can just replace the , with a space too
Nov 15 11:58:09 <raster> also note
Nov 15 11:58:16 <raster> utf8 chars will make the kbd code unhappy
Nov 15 11:58:19 <raster> in theory it should handle it
Nov 15 11:58:25 <raster> but the dict parser isnt quite up to it
Nov 15 11:58:28 <raster> so it makes mistakes
Nov 15 11:58:38 <raster> so u'll have to stick to ascii to make it work
Nov 15 12:20:47 <Ainulindale> quickdev: hey
Nov 15 12:20:53 <Ainulindale> The overlay is downloaded as "shr"
Nov 15 12:20:56 <mrmoku> quickdev: no, did not work :(
Nov 15 12:21:03 <Ainulindale> And the makefile does not download the sources anymore, and that's normal
Nov 15 12:21:16 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Tell me what you did and which problem you have
Nov 15 12:21:47 <mrmoku> bitbake libframeworkd-phonegui does not work
Nov 15 12:21:58 <Ainulindale> Ahem
Nov 15 12:21:59 <Ainulindale> Again
Nov 15 12:22:06 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Tell me what you did and which problem you have
Nov 15 12:22:18 <Ainulindale> "Does not work" isn't a problem but a state of fact
Nov 15 12:22:22 <Ainulindale> Bad boy !
Nov 15 12:22:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: terminal output http://pastebin.com/d3cc16a8e
Nov 15 12:22:51 <Ainulindale> This is better :-)
Nov 15 12:22:56 <mrmoku> it does not find sources - let's see who is the bad boy ;)
Nov 15 12:23:12 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 15 12:23:16 <Ainulindale> That's not the problem
Nov 15 12:23:23 <Ainulindale> It can't install 
Nov 15 12:23:37 <mrmoku> yup, because it did not configure and compile
Nov 15 12:23:45 <mrmoku> because it has no sources :)
Nov 15 12:24:01 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Nov 15 12:24:03 <Ainulindale> Wait a minute
Nov 15 12:24:19 <mrmoku> if i look at the workdir I see a libframeworkd-phonegui and a git subdir
Nov 15 12:24:35 <Ainulindale> I can't understand why bitbake does things differently everytime
Nov 15 12:24:36 <mrmoku> inside the git subdir is the complete shr.git repo
Nov 15 12:24:39 <Ainulindale> THis is truly crappy
Nov 15 12:24:39 <mrmoku> and inside the other just a patches subdir
Nov 15 12:24:41 <mrmoku> no sources
Nov 15 12:24:47 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 15 12:25:11 <mrmoku> crap and hinders us doing something usefull...
Nov 15 12:26:00 <Ainulindale> My problem here is I don't know how to do that properly if it's different from SVN
Nov 15 12:26:14 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: if you want to try things, you have to check the shr.bbclass file
Nov 15 12:26:46 <mrmoku> ok, will poke around - maybe fso bb stuff is a good place to look at?
Nov 15 12:28:10 <Ainulindale> Maybe
Nov 15 12:36:16 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: weird
Nov 15 12:36:20 <Ainulindale> Here it can't even fetch the sources
Nov 15 12:36:24 <Ainulindale> It was working yesterday
Nov 15 12:36:28 <Ainulindale> error: pick-rref: HEAD not found
Nov 15 12:36:32 <Ainulindale> Here's what I have
Nov 15 12:49:46 <mrmoku> that might explain something :)
Nov 15 12:50:09 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: that's weird that you don't have that
Nov 15 12:50:17 <quickdev> Ainulindale, mrmoku, sorry, was eating
Nov 15 12:50:45 <mrmoku> youngsters are also allowed to eat :_)
Nov 15 12:50:45 <Ainulindale> quickdev: per the git fetcher doc of bitbake, we can't do module=${PN} as we did on svn
Nov 15 12:50:48 <Ainulindale> This is so dumb
Nov 15 12:51:06 <quickdev> yeah...wondered but thought it was ok
Nov 15 12:51:43 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: git clone works fine though and after mrproper I saw him cloning
Nov 15 12:52:03 <mrmoku> so it's getting the sources, just not to the correct place
Nov 15 12:52:07 <Ainulindale> Yes but after that
Nov 15 12:52:11 <Ainulindale> It's unable to pull it seems
Nov 15 12:52:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: in between to fix your issue
Nov 15 12:52:53 <Ainulindale> S = "${WORKDIR}/git/${PN}"
Nov 15 12:52:57 <Ainulindale> In shr.bbclass
Nov 15 12:53:11 <Ainulindale> "should" work
Nov 15 12:53:38 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: the phone does not wake up from a call every time
Nov 15 12:54:07 <BluesLee> once more
Nov 15 12:54:35 <Ainulindale> Do you use wifi?
Nov 15 12:54:54 <BluesLee> i resumed manually and he does not stop to vibrate:-)
Nov 15 12:55:07 <Ainulindale> Do you use wifi?
Nov 15 12:55:19 <BluesLee> no
Nov 15 12:55:29 <Ainulindale> There's a known problem with wifi/GSM
Nov 15 12:55:31 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: will try
Nov 15 12:55:32 <Ainulindale> On frameworkd
Nov 15 12:56:04 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Put frameworkd in DEBUG (/etc/frameworkd.conf => log_level = DEBUG), restart frameworkd and reproduce the problem
Nov 15 12:56:16 <Ainulindale> If you can reproduce it, please open at ticket on trac.freesmartphone.org with it
Nov 15 12:56:27 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: someone in the neo1973 channel has the same problem with ms4
Nov 15 12:56:42 <Ainulindale> Yep I heard about that several times
Nov 15 12:56:49 <Ainulindale> But without logs
Nov 15 12:56:51 <Ainulindale> I can't do a thing
Nov 15 12:56:59 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 15 12:57:13 <Ainulindale> Are you on gta01 or gta02 again?
Nov 15 12:57:20 <BluesLee> gta02
Nov 15 12:57:25 <Ainulindale> Ok
Nov 15 12:58:44 <BluesLee> where can i find the logs
Nov 15 12:58:58 <BluesLee> i hope i can reproduce this behaviour
Nov 15 12:59:04 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: this is written in /etc/frameworkd.conf
Nov 15 12:59:12 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 15 12:59:15 <Ainulindale> on SHR the default is /tmp/frameworkd.log
Nov 15 12:59:19 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 12:59:28 <Ainulindale> But you have to put frameworkd in debug first
Nov 15 12:59:31 <Ainulindale> then restart it
Nov 15 12:59:37 <Ainulindale> In fact restarting your neo will be easier
Nov 15 12:59:46 <BluesLee> waiting for the suspend
Nov 15 13:00:20 <Ainulindale> Restart your device first
Nov 15 13:00:29 <BluesLee> oh, okay
Nov 15 13:01:40 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i wrote something down, notes, issues, remarks, will post that later somewhere
Nov 15 13:02:18 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: maybe you find something useful in that notes
Nov 15 13:02:37 <BluesLee> examples
Nov 15 13:02:43 <BluesLee> htop: crashes when zoom in+zoom out
Nov 15 13:02:51 <BluesLee> media player: execution error when a song is double clicked
Nov 15 13:02:53 <beniwtv> hi all.. anyone got the newest upstream frameworkd (ms4) to work on Debian?  I got it almost, but _ctypes seems missing on the armel package of python. So far I found out it seems to be an issue compiling it, hence the debian package is without it. Anyone ran into this? Should I file a bug @ Debian?
Nov 15 13:08:07 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I have the solution - want to know ? ;)
Nov 15 13:09:08 <mrmoku> I renamed the .bb from _svn to _git and changed the revision nameing from svn to git
Nov 15 13:09:15 <quickdev> mrmoku, arggh :)
Nov 15 13:09:20 <mrmoku> after that I did a mproper and than it built cleanly ;)
Nov 15 13:09:27 <mrmoku> -a+e
Nov 15 13:10:34 <quickdev> mrmoku, Ainulindale, I rename the recipes
Nov 15 13:10:43 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 15 13:11:03 <mrmoku> and don't forget the revision name :)
Nov 15 13:14:47 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Weird, tried that and it didn't work
Nov 15 13:16:09 <mrmoku> hmm, maybe somebody should verify then...
Nov 15 13:17:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: the revision naming you changed was in the package bb file ?
Nov 15 13:17:16 <Ainulindale> svnr to gitr?
Nov 15 13:17:38 <lindi-> beniwtv: yeas i have heard about ctype issues
Nov 15 13:19:52 <beniwtv> lindi-: I found a bug report, here: http://bugs.python.org/issue4303
Nov 15 13:20:04 <quickdev> Ainulindale, will commit renamings in a few minutes
Nov 15 13:20:17 <Ainulindale> Renaming isn't enough
Nov 15 13:20:22 <Ainulindale> Well anyway I have to go
Nov 15 13:20:48 <beniwtv> lindi-: Now, on other images, they do use Python 2.5 also, so are they applying some patches?
Nov 15 13:22:03 <lindi-> beniwtv: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2008-November/000327.html
Nov 15 13:22:19 <quickdev> Ainulindale, why haven't you fixed the git SRC_URI yet?
Nov 15 13:22:25 <Ainulindale> I did
Nov 15 13:22:35 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I commited it on git
Nov 15 13:22:56 <quickdev> locally? :)
Nov 15 13:23:04 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 15 13:23:39 <quickdev> SRC_URI = "${SHR_MIRROR}/shr.git;module=${PN};protocol=http" <- didn't you say module is not ok here?
Nov 15 13:23:39 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blobdiff;f=openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass;h=09f3e27609cbc3cb05616f8dbfbc0683a4ce6f1f;hp=e5ec40c96554c92756319b8613d5353989acb69b;hb=f8d1140d245d00fb6810876a79d713d1ce8e21ab;hpb=065df01ab8685545f3dccae90856c2f66f22d8c5
Nov 15 13:23:50 <Ainulindale> It's not ok but it does nothing
Nov 15 13:23:53 <Ainulindale> So no point to recommit it now
Nov 15 13:24:11 <quickdev> ok
Nov 15 13:25:47 <beniwtv> lindi-: Thanks. It seems there is some discussion starting already :)
Nov 15 13:30:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep changed svnr to gitr for PV in the bb file
Nov 15 13:31:45 <Ainulindale> Didn't work here then.
Nov 15 13:31:57 <mrmoku> and did a mrproper
Nov 15 13:33:21 <Ainulindale> quickdev: wait before committing
Nov 15 13:33:36 <quickdev> yeah, and I'll test it before
Nov 15 13:33:50 <Ainulindale> This is so weird, yesterday I tested this stuff and it was working
Nov 15 13:34:16 <Ainulindale> quickdev: replace SVNREV by GITREV in shr.bbclass too
Nov 15 13:34:23 <Ainulindale> And while you're at it
Nov 15 13:34:52 <Ainulindale> In the packages
Nov 15 13:34:58 <quickdev> do we really need GITREV? I think it was used once in PV = ${SVNREV}...but we changed it to ${SRCREV}
Nov 15 13:35:02 <Ainulindale> don't forget to change svnr in gitr
Nov 15 13:35:15 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I have no idea
Nov 15 13:35:41 <Ainulindale> Too tired now to think properly, have to eat
Nov 15 13:54:11 <quickdev> Ainulindale, we cannot use git with http protocol: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitbake-dev@lists.berlios.de/msg00494.html
Nov 15 13:54:33 <Ainulindale> Yes we can
Nov 15 13:54:36 <Ainulindale> This bug was fixed a while ago
Nov 15 13:57:58 <quickdev> yeah, you're right
Nov 15 14:00:37 <quickdev> Ainulindale, which git version are you using?
Nov 15 14:01:06 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 15 14:01:22 <Ainulindale> (1.5.6.5)
Nov 15 14:01:31 <mwester> re
Nov 15 14:01:44 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i could not reconstruct the vibration issue, tried 20 times, logging goes on
Nov 15 14:01:56 <Ainulindale> Keep that logging then BluesLee 
Nov 15 14:02:00 <Ainulindale> When you'll have the issue
Nov 15 14:02:03 <Ainulindale> You'll be good to go
Nov 15 14:03:09 <BluesLee> in some cases the screen stays dimmed when a call comes in
Nov 15 14:09:17 <quickdev> Ainulindale, bitbake has revision 1118. But I still get those git errors.
Nov 15 14:13:45 <Ainulindale> quickdev: did you modify every gitr ?
Nov 15 14:15:41 <quickdev> Yes: http://rafb.net/p/gFMho283.html
Nov 15 14:16:29 <Ainulindale> And what's the error ?
Nov 15 14:17:19 <Ainulindale> To me this is because we have no HEAD on our repo, that's all
Nov 15 14:17:28 <Ainulindale> So there's something more to do
Nov 15 14:17:30 <Ainulindale> But I don't know what
Nov 15 14:17:38 <Ainulindale> You should ask mickey|brkfast or alphaone 
Nov 15 14:18:03 <mrmoku> for me it works fine :)
Nov 15 14:18:23 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: what did you do exactly ?
Nov 15 14:18:36 <Ainulindale> rename, s/svnr/gitr/ ?
Nov 15 14:18:39 <Ainulindale> And that is all ?
Nov 15 14:18:40 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 15 14:18:53 <mrmoku> no I renamed the bb files _svn.bb --> _git.bb
Nov 15 14:18:57 <Ainulindale> quickdev: mrproper then clean then retry
Nov 15 14:19:02 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: that's what I was telling
Nov 15 14:19:56 <mrmoku> 14:09 < mrmoku> I renamed the .bb from _svn to _git and changed the revision nameing from svn to git
Nov 15 14:20:17 <Ainulindale> That's exactly what I did
Nov 15 14:20:23 <Ainulindale> I do hope that's not another git issue
Nov 15 14:20:37 <Ainulindale> Ok quickdev 
Nov 15 14:20:42 <Ainulindale> After a mrproper and a clean here
Nov 15 14:20:43 <Ainulindale> It works
Nov 15 14:20:47 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 15 14:20:53 <Ainulindale> Ah
Nov 15 14:20:53 <Ainulindale> not
Nov 15 14:20:57 <mrmoku> :(
Nov 15 14:21:02 <Ainulindale> NOTE: package libframeworkd-phonegui-0.0.1+r5-gitr0+ebc7d74cf2a7f4a6db88a2303b8c7d123af00f6b-r5: task do_fetch: failed
Nov 15 14:21:08 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 15 14:21:10 <quickdev> do_fetch ;)
Nov 15 14:21:16 <quickdev> Ainulindale, git problem?
Nov 15 14:21:18 <Ainulindale> quickdev: it works on ophonekitd
Nov 15 14:21:25 <Ainulindale> Ah, no
Nov 15 14:21:29 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Nov 15 14:21:36 <Ainulindale> It stepped through the fetch twice
Nov 15 14:21:50 <Kensan> Ainulindale: which bb are you trying to build?
Nov 15 14:21:55 <Ainulindale> Ours
Nov 15 14:21:58 <mrmoku> I don't think it's a git problem. I'm using 1.5.6.5
Nov 15 14:23:06 <quickdev> error: pick-rref: HEAD not found
Nov 15 14:23:07 <quickdev> No such ref HEAD at http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git
Nov 15 14:23:07 <quickdev> NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed
Nov 15 14:23:09 <Ainulindale> To me this issue is because of our git
Nov 15 14:23:16 <Ainulindale> I must have forgotten something there
Nov 15 14:23:33 <quickdev> Ainulindale, what's your error?
Nov 15 14:23:35 <Ainulindale> same
Nov 15 14:24:01 <quickdev> Ainulindale, why not using protocol=git?
Nov 15 14:24:09 <Ainulindale> Because there's no git-daemon
Nov 15 14:25:34 <quickdev> http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git/HEAD
Nov 15 14:26:20 <mrmoku> quickdev: looks good
Nov 15 14:26:30 <quickdev> yeah, and it's there
Nov 15 14:26:51 <Kensan> SRC_URI = "${SHR_MIRROR}/shr.git;module=${PN};protocol=http;branch=HEAD"
Nov 15 14:26:54 <Kensan> maybe
Nov 15 14:26:54 <Kensan> :)
Nov 15 14:27:16 <mrmoku> and while bitbaking libframworkd-phonegui I saw him http-walking just fine
Nov 15 14:28:48 <quickdev> Kensan, I already tried branch=master
Nov 15 14:32:07 <quickdev> Ainulindale, get a git daemon, heheh ;)
Nov 15 14:32:11 <Kensan> ehm protocol should be git
Nov 15 14:32:34 <Kensan> branch defaults to master so that should be ok
Nov 15 14:32:38 <Kensan> try
Nov 15 14:32:47 <Kensan> SRC_URI = "${SHR_MIRROR}/shr.git;module=${PN};protocol=git"
Nov 15 14:33:11 <Kensan> SHR_MIRROR should be http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/ in that case
Nov 15 14:37:28 <quickdev> Kensan, atm we have not git daemon. So protocol = git does not work
Nov 15 14:37:56 <Kensan> quickdev: did you try?
Nov 15 14:38:06 <quickdev> yes
Nov 15 14:38:11 <quickdev> Connection refused
Nov 15 14:47:53 <TAsn> hey, do anyone know there to get the python libmokoui2 bindings from? (i.e what package)
Nov 15 14:53:37 <vininim> mmm does parallel building cause problems? because curl is failing to be build for me.
Nov 15 14:53:44 <vininim> (context shr)
Nov 15 14:55:07 <quickdev> vininim, sometimes, yes
Nov 15 14:57:34 <mrmoku> vininim: if you have $MAKEFLAGS set to j8 or something... problems
Nov 15 14:58:13 <vininim> I have PARALLEL_MAKE = '-j 4'
Nov 15 14:58:28 <mrmoku> you have to setup parallel building via local.conf
Nov 15 14:58:51 <vininim> (in local.conf)
Nov 15 14:58:52 <mrmoku> the MokoMakefile does _not_ support parallel building
Nov 15 14:59:18 <mrmoku> in local.conf it should be ok - but have not tried myself
Nov 15 15:01:05 <sirkha_top> on milestone 4 in zhone, for some reason, i can make calls from the address book, but not just any random number (it won't let me into the dialpad)
Nov 15 15:01:54 <bumbl> Flyser: kanst du ja einfach wiederbekommen, den mp3 support15:58 < mrmoku> the MokoMakefile does _not_ support parallel building
Nov 15 15:02:10 <bumbl> grr I have to buy a mouse for my laptop
Nov 15 15:02:23 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 15 15:02:29 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: how can i stop vibrating?
Nov 15 15:02:37 <sicu> hehe
Nov 15 15:03:01 <bumbl> BluesLee: hard reset
Nov 15 15:03:07 <BluesLee> no
Nov 15 15:03:38 <sicu> should be enough to restart frameworkd, shouldnt it?
Nov 15 15:04:13 <sicu> never had that problem, so not sure though :/
Nov 15 15:04:52 <quickdev> BluesLee, shell command
Nov 15 15:05:21 <quickdev> echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-vibrator/brightness <- something like that
Nov 15 15:08:05 <BluesLee> something like that, yes:-)
Nov 15 15:08:11 <BluesLee> i am seraching 
Nov 15 15:08:30 <BluesLee> maybe /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-vibrator ?
Nov 15 15:09:37 <quickdev> yes
Nov 15 15:09:55 <BluesLee> /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-vibrator/bind
Nov 15 15:09:55 <BluesLee> /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-vibrator/neo1973-vibrator.0/
Nov 15 15:09:55 <BluesLee> /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-vibrator/uevent
Nov 15 15:09:55 <BluesLee> /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-vibrator/unbind
Nov 15 15:10:14 <beniwtv> hmpf... Why does frameworkd block when using Command() in a rules file? It seems to wait for the program to finish, and so I can't send commands to framework while executing the command :-/
Nov 15 15:12:24 <BluesLee> reboot
Nov 15 15:12:43 <BluesLee> but i copied the frameworkd log file;-)
Nov 15 15:13:13 <BluesLee> its too big to paste 200k
Nov 15 15:13:45 <Ainulindale> Ok quickdev 
Nov 15 15:13:46 <Ainulindale> Found the problem
Nov 15 15:14:01 <quickdev> BluesLee, /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-vibrator/neo1973-vibrator.0/
Nov 15 15:14:03 <quickdev> beniwtv, append a & to the command
Nov 15 15:14:09 <quickdev> then it will be run in the background
Nov 15 15:14:28 <Ainulindale> quickdev: grep BITBAKE_VERSION Makefile please
Nov 15 15:14:28 <BluesLee> quickdev: too late
Nov 15 15:14:43 <BluesLee> quickdev: you are not quick enough;-)
Nov 15 15:15:02 <beniwtv> quickdev: did that... seems to not work... hmm... :(
Nov 15 15:15:28 <quickdev> tell me :)
Nov 15 15:15:33 <Ainulindale> quickdev: please answer
Nov 15 15:15:42 <mickey|brkfast> beniwtv: open a ticket, please
Nov 15 15:15:44 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: same thing for you
Nov 15 15:15:51 <Ainulindale> Hey mickeyl 
Nov 15 15:15:55 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: which informations di you need in detail?
Nov 15 15:16:10 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: For your call not received in suspend?
Nov 15 15:16:18 <mickeyl> heya
Nov 15 15:16:41 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: open a ticket on trac.freesmartphone.org with the full frameworkd.log, and the results of opkg info frameworkd
Nov 15 15:16:47 <quickdev> Ainulindale, BITBAKE_VERSION = tags/bitbake-1.8.10 <- I changed it some minutes ago from branches/bitbake-1.8
Nov 15 15:16:53 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: incoming call from another phone, laid up, not stopping vibrating
Nov 15 15:16:56 <Ainulindale> quickdev: then make setup-bitbake
Nov 15 15:16:58 <beniwtv> mickeyl: will do
Nov 15 15:17:06 <Ainulindale> quickdev: then bitbake ophonekitd -c mrproper
Nov 15 15:17:09 <Ainulindale> quickdev: then bitbake ophonekitd -c clean
Nov 15 15:17:11 <Ainulindale> then bitbake ophonekitd
Nov 15 15:17:12 <Ainulindale> and it'll work
Nov 15 15:17:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: BITBAKE_VERSION = branches/bitbake-1.8
Nov 15 15:17:25 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: the file is 200k big
Nov 15 15:17:29 <Ainulindale> quickdev: rm -rf bitbake before by the way
Nov 15 15:17:37 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: attach it to the ticket
Nov 15 15:17:37 <Sup3rkiddo> mickeyl, evening
Nov 15 15:18:56 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: there's a bunch of showstoppers issues we ought to talk about :-/
Nov 15 15:19:18 <Ainulindale> The first one being the randomness of the outgoing call signal
Nov 15 15:19:50 <mickeyl> i have yet to see that happening
Nov 15 15:20:00 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: mwester produed logs
Nov 15 15:20:02 <Ainulindale> +c
Nov 15 15:20:09 <mickeyl> good. toss 'em into trac
Nov 15 15:20:15 <mickeyl> + firmware version
Nov 15 15:20:16 <Ainulindale> mwester: can you, please?
Nov 15 15:20:25 <Ainulindale> And another person had it, can't remember who
Nov 15 15:20:39 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I think you had too one day, didn't you?
Nov 15 15:20:54 * mwester is grumpy and mutters that it would probably be just as easy to fix the problem as collect all the detail and stuff it into trac... :p
Nov 15 15:21:28 <mwester> I'll do that when I reflash SHR onto the phone again.
Nov 15 15:21:38 <vininim> is it normal to receive CMS er 321 in response to CMGL=2? (the tickets talk about CMGL=4)
Nov 15 15:21:44 <mwester> It's currently suffering a bad case of "Androiditis"
Nov 15 15:21:49 <mwester> terminal, I'm afraid.
Nov 15 15:21:58 <Kensan> mwester: you tried android?
Nov 15 15:22:07 <Ainulindale> mwester: A good shot in the back of the head to end its life peacefully
Nov 15 15:22:27 <mwester> Not really.  I flashed it. The realized that unless I *ALSO* gave it my entire SD card, it wasn't going to do a danged thing.
Nov 15 15:22:34 <mwester> Talk about user-unfreindly software.
Nov 15 15:22:36 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I had it, too, yes
Nov 15 15:22:50 <Ainulindale> quickdev: could you produce logs and open a ticket on trac for mickeyl ?
Nov 15 15:22:53 <mickeyl> vininim: yes
Nov 15 15:22:57 <mwester> ** I AM ANDROID * I AM GOOGLE * I SHALL OWN YOUR PHONE!
Nov 15 15:23:09 * mickeyl ignores Android completely
Nov 15 15:23:27 * mwester felt he owed it a chance.
Nov 15 15:23:29 <Kensan> mwester: so what's your verdict?
Nov 15 15:23:41 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I got that only 1 time...not able to reproduce it ;)
Nov 15 15:23:49 <mwester> My verdict?  Until they fix that horrible SD card requirement, I have no time to look at Android.
Nov 15 15:24:06 <Ainulindale> quickdev: could you nonetheless open the ticket with your firmware info and so on?
Nov 15 15:24:18 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: problem is, as I told before, this problem looks to be random :-/
Nov 15 15:24:39 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I can't even confirm that it wasn't a oponekitd failure, because it happend only once.
Nov 15 15:24:52 * mwester has too much data on the SD card and not enough time to copy it all and back it all up, just for the sake of a badly-cooperating bit of software
Nov 15 15:25:03 <vininim> I wonder what unsent sms it's trying to send. =P
Nov 15 15:25:25 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * radda6cc7c361 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: Rename featuremap to properties, add type
Nov 15 15:25:26 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r7afd1b712aca 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: 
Nov 15 15:25:26 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Fix o.f.Device.Input.Event pressed and released handling
Nov 15 15:25:26 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: We need subsecond accuracy in the timestamp to accurately detect when
Nov 15 15:25:28 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: one second is over.
Nov 15 15:26:24 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde2139a6c1f4 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 15 15:26:40 <Ainulindale> quickdev: did you try what I just told you?
Nov 15 15:26:45 <Ainulindale> quickdev: about bitbake
Nov 15 15:26:47 <Ainulindale> here it worked
Nov 15 15:26:57 <Ainulindale> quickdev: and I'd also like you to commit the overlay changes
Nov 15 15:27:22 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: it's not that i don't believe it happens. It just makes me very sad to see yet another bug in the firmware that needs a workaround cluttering up my nice code. I _hate_ exceptions
Nov 15 15:27:45 <quickdev> Ainulindale, it did not work. I followed the steps precisely. What version of bitbake are you using? Rember that changed it to 1.8.10
Nov 15 15:27:49 <quickdev> *remember
Nov 15 15:28:20 <quickdev> Ainulindale, run bitbake --veresion
Nov 15 15:29:09 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I know I know :-)
Nov 15 15:29:25 <Ainulindale> ainu@calaquendi ~/shr/shr-testing $ bitbake --version
Nov 15 15:29:25 <Ainulindale> BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.8.11, bitbake version 1.8.11
Nov 15 15:29:31 <quickdev> 11, I'm using 10
Nov 15 15:29:39 <Ainulindale> That's what you're supposed to have if you put branches/bitbake-1.8
Nov 15 15:30:00 <Ainulindale> Same on buildhost quickdev 
Nov 15 15:30:16 <Ainulindale> Are you sure you did rm -rf bitbake && make setup-bitbake ?
Nov 15 15:30:36 <quickdev> yes, I am
Nov 15 15:30:48 <quickdev> now I'm switching back to your version
Nov 15 15:30:55 <Ainulindale> back?
Nov 15 15:30:58 <Ainulindale> You didn't modify Makefile?
Nov 15 15:31:23 <Ainulindale> Oh I misread you before
Nov 15 15:31:29 <Ainulindale> You changed it from branches to 1.8.10
Nov 15 15:31:33 <Ainulindale> I see
Nov 15 15:34:34 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: hmm Missing or invalid form token. Do you have cookies enabled? 
Nov 15 15:34:45 <BluesLee> i added cookies for that site
Nov 15 15:34:47 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: I don't know what you're talking about
Nov 15 15:35:18 <BluesLee> i cannot sent the ticket
Nov 15 15:35:33 <Ainulindale> Can't help you there
Nov 15 15:37:40 <beniwtv1> mickeyl: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/235
Nov 15 15:38:43 <mickeyl> k
Nov 15 15:39:30 <beniwtv1> mickeyl: I did some more testing... it seems while command() is being executed, any other clients also do not get any reply
Nov 15 15:39:35 <beniwtv1> like cli-frameworkd
Nov 15 15:40:11 <BluesLee>  Ticket #236 (new defect)
Nov 15 15:40:11 <BluesLee> Opened 37 seconds ago
Nov 15 16:30:30 <beniwtv> gotta go
Nov 15 16:30:32 <beniwtv> cya
Nov 15 16:57:35 <KaZeR> hi there
Nov 15 17:02:56 <sicu> quickdev: i was thinking about how Hire is doing the icons, it should be possible to programatically give desktop icons a specific backround/outline colour depending on what category is specified in the .desktop files
Nov 15 17:03:09 <sicu> quickdev: or at least create a plain icon template for each category that is assigned automagically as a bottom-layer for the icon, and then add the icons that come with the apps as a slightly smaller layer on top of the category-layer
Nov 15 17:03:21 <sicu> quickdev: because the way it's being done now, whenever a new application is added it requires someone to recreate/redesign a new icon to keep with the icon-theme
Nov 15 17:05:20 <BluesLee> can i distribute the desktop icons over several desktops?
Nov 15 17:08:28 <quickdev> sicu, if you know how to do it, help us doing that ;) sounds fine
Nov 15 17:08:43 <sicu> quickdev: i had a little discussion about this with raster, and he said that it can be done in illume launcher but will require coding ... and after having had a look, i think this might be a little over my head, as my coding skills are somewhat limited ;p
Nov 15 17:09:29 <quickdev> sicu, maybe create a ticket with your precise thoughts ;)
Nov 15 17:10:03 <sicu> quickdev: but at least it's an idea, and i will look into it a little more ... but i'll create that ticket =]
Nov 15 17:11:16 <BluesLee> quickdev: where is the advantage of "Enter your sms here" in the messenger or how can i remove it quickly?
Nov 15 17:12:43 <sicu> BluesLee: remove it quickly by selecting the offending text before you start typing your sms ... the whole line will disappear as soon as you start typing
Nov 15 17:13:15 <BluesLee> but i have too select and to remove it
Nov 15 17:13:33 <BluesLee> with a back in the keyboard ..
Nov 15 17:13:56 <BluesLee> i dont see the advantages of such an information
Nov 15 17:14:16 <quickdev> BluesLee, it's just a placeholder, because the textarea has not border yet. It will be removed in future :)
Nov 15 17:14:25 <sicu> just select and start typing ... no need for a keyboard 'back'
Nov 15 17:14:32 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 15 17:15:18 <BluesLee> but its difficult to select with fingers;-)
Nov 15 17:15:35 <BluesLee> i miss the E:-)
Nov 15 17:16:40 <BluesLee> who wanted to change the keyboard?
Nov 15 17:17:06 <quickdev> BluesLee, the E? mh?
Nov 15 17:17:21 <BluesLee> can i manually configure it somehow? height, distances between the letter ...
Nov 15 17:17:23 <sicu> as in 'E' ... the first letter of the sentence
Nov 15 17:17:43 <BluesLee> quickdev: its hard because of the borders of the neo
Nov 15 17:17:52 <sicu> har to select the whole text because of the raised edges next to the screen
Nov 15 17:17:55 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes, build is fine here
Nov 15 17:17:56 <sicu> *hrsd
Nov 15 17:17:58 <sicu> meh
Nov 15 17:18:00 <sicu> *hard
Nov 15 17:18:09 <sicu> i need a coffee
Nov 15 17:18:12 <BluesLee> okay, i got it
Nov 15 17:18:39 <BluesLee> try yourself
Nov 15 17:18:44 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I should delete my shr dir and try it from scratch ;)
Nov 15 17:18:45 <sicu> BluesLee: you beat me to it ;p
Nov 15 17:18:51 <BluesLee> my quote is 40%
Nov 15 17:18:55 <quickdev> BluesLee, thanks for feedback
Nov 15 17:19:21 <BluesLee> 70%
Nov 15 17:19:38 <BluesLee> its a hidden game;-)
Nov 15 17:19:42 <quickdev> Ainulindale, if we want to fix the font size issue we should use latest EFL svn
Nov 15 17:20:17 <furester> Ainulindale, so shr compile fine now (from scratch)?
Nov 15 17:20:39 <quickdev> hehe..will he promise something? :)
Nov 15 17:21:01 <BluesLee> sicu: yeah i am the fastest
Nov 15 17:21:45 <furester> thre are something dirreferent from the wiki to start the compilation?
Nov 15 17:21:53 <BluesLee> is this keyboard configurable?
Nov 15 17:22:05 <BluesLee> layout, sizes ...
Nov 15 17:22:14 <BluesLee> or something hard compiled
Nov 15 17:22:33 <quickdev> BluesLee, configurable, /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/keyboard <- something like that
Nov 15 17:23:21 <sylar> hi, with vkbd I get a python-error that on the pc I don't get, anybody could help me please?
Nov 15 17:25:41 <lindi-> sylar: vkbd?
Nov 15 17:26:05 <sylar> strangely now it runs oO
Nov 15 17:26:18 <sylar> http://code.google.com/p/barbieri-playground/source/browse/efl-tests/vkbd/
Nov 15 17:26:32 <lindi-> sylar: ah, i thought you meant xvkbd
Nov 15 17:30:11 <BluesLee> quickdev: i dont see any keyboard config file out there
Nov 15 17:30:33 <quickdev> BluesLee, sorry, maybe in /usr/lib/enlightenment
Nov 15 17:32:15 <BluesLee> yeah /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/
Nov 15 17:32:53 <quickdev> BluesLee, I would be interested in a bigger keyboard, too
Nov 15 17:33:19 <BluesLee> quickdev: yeah, there are some numbers i can play with
Nov 15 17:34:03 <BluesLee> Default.kbd 
Nov 15 17:34:05 <BluesLee> kbd 130 45
Nov 15 17:34:05 <BluesLee> fuzz 20
Nov 15 17:34:11 <BluesLee> will change them
Nov 15 17:34:38 <sylar> BluesLee: with these values what changes?
Nov 15 17:34:51 <quickdev> BluesLee, play with the Default.kbd first...because the Default.kbd's "kbd 130 45" settings are used to determined the height of other keyboards
Nov 15 17:34:51 <BluesLee> i dont know yet
Nov 15 17:35:11 <quickdev> restart X after changing them
Nov 15 17:36:24 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 15 17:37:01 <sylar> BluesLee: maybe this link could help you
Nov 15 17:37:08 <sylar> http://code.google.com/p/barbieri-playground/source/browse/efl-tests/vkbd/
Nov 15 17:39:41 <BluesLee> i dont know if raster did this correctly depending of the screen dimensions, what happens if i rotate ...
Nov 15 17:40:08 <quickdev> BluesLee, afaik everything is relative :)
Nov 15 17:40:35 <BluesLee> for instance kbd 145 80 gives me additional space at the bottom
Nov 15 17:40:50 <BluesLee> no advandage there
Nov 15 17:41:05 <quickdev> BluesLee, if you change kbd, you have to change the position of each key!
Nov 15 17:41:25 <quickdev> to move them towards the bottom
Nov 15 17:41:26 <BluesLee> ohh i see
Nov 15 17:41:29 <quickdev> having a shower, brb
Nov 15 17:41:38 <BluesLee> good idea
Nov 15 17:41:46 <BluesLee> that shouldnt be so hard
Nov 15 17:42:55 <BluesLee> okay, i got an idea of it
Nov 15 17:46:37 <BluesLee> i am sure that someone did this before
Nov 15 17:47:45 <beniwtv> "undefined symbol: ecore_evaw gl_x11_direct_resize_get" Someone got this when using zhone on Debian?
Nov 15 17:48:00 <quickdev> BluesLee, I tried it once
Nov 15 17:49:16 <BluesLee> quickdev: bad results?
Nov 15 17:49:37 <quickdev> no, but I haven't had time to finish it. I'd appreciate a bigger alphanumeric keyboard :)
Nov 15 17:50:09 <BluesLee> i will a google before trying
Nov 15 17:54:12 <BluesLee> i dont understand that numbers
Nov 15 17:54:25 <BluesLee> the x dimensions is 480
Nov 15 17:55:12 <BluesLee> the keys fit more or less to that numbers "kbd 130 45"
Nov 15 18:20:54 <vininim_> gah now curl is failing with checksums
Nov 15 18:43:38 <BluesLee> the system says that my sms storage is full, how do i remove them?
Nov 15 18:47:50 <quickdev> BluesLee, open the message app and delete a message ;)
Nov 15 18:50:53 <BluesLee> ohh
Nov 15 18:51:38 <BluesLee> quickdev: i see that the sms app is not korrekt
Nov 15 18:52:09 <mrmoku> quickdev: what keys would you need in a NumbersBig.kbd?
Nov 15 18:52:09 <BluesLee> it doesnt show me the complete sms 
Nov 15 18:53:15 <quickdev> BluesLee, was it a multipart message?
Nov 15 18:53:41 <quickdev> mrmoku, 0-9? :)
Nov 15 18:53:53 <quickdev> for typing numbers..hm
Nov 15 18:53:56 <quickdev> maybe +*#
Nov 15 18:54:31 <mrmoku> ok, have to bring one of the kids to bed and will take a look after that :)
Nov 15 18:54:35 <BluesLee> quickdev: i dont know, i could read more in the default screen than after clicking on show
Nov 15 18:55:13 <quickdev> BluesLee, could you make screenshots and add a ticket? :)
Nov 15 18:55:25 <BluesLee> quickdev: too late, deleted
Nov 15 18:55:31 <quickdev> hrr ;)
Nov 15 18:55:36 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 15 18:55:44 <quickdev> how many messages did you have? 20?
Nov 15 18:56:32 <BluesLee> not much 
Nov 15 18:56:40 <BluesLee> therefore i am suprised
Nov 15 18:57:17 <mrmoku> heh, he was refuting... 
Nov 15 18:57:35 <quickdev> BluesLee, 512mb is almost nothing :)
Nov 15 18:58:03 <sicu> how many ca are there room for on the SIM ?
Nov 15 18:58:07 <Richy> BluesLee, I think it stores them on the SIM, so once the SIM is full
Nov 15 18:58:19 <Richy> 20 on my phone 
Nov 15 18:58:42 <Richy> I can only store 5 Contacts, that bugs me much more..
Nov 15 18:58:54 <BluesLee> ohh no
Nov 15 18:58:56 <sicu> and do you get a notice when it's full ... or do you just not receive any new SMS agter that ?
Nov 15 18:59:06 <BluesLee> why it stores them on the sim?
Nov 15 18:59:07 <Richy> ypu get a notice
Nov 15 18:59:23 <BluesLee> i also
Nov 15 18:59:23 <sicu> because opimd is not implemented yet
Nov 15 19:00:42 <BluesLee> quickdev: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/46dfb28162b480ca377122c5b9b23b7d.png
Nov 15 19:00:48 <furester> sicu, but opimd is or is based on the gSoC projext?
Nov 15 19:01:16 <quickdev> furester, yes
Nov 15 19:01:59 <furester> thanks! i see the doc page but the name opimd is never mentioned
Nov 15 19:02:22 <quickdev> have a nice evening guys
Nov 15 19:02:28 <furester> i was frightened that all that or our work will be wasted
Nov 15 19:03:21 <BluesLee> hey, he left no commenting my kbd mod
Nov 15 19:05:06 <sicu> furester: hehe, no worries. Ainulindale has a policy to re-use code and not re-invent the wheel
Nov 15 19:06:20 <soltys> ;]
Nov 15 19:06:29 <soltys> good policy 
Nov 15 19:07:32 <beniwtv> does frameworkd already have a workaround for the bouncing calypso issue?
Nov 15 19:08:05 <sicu> though i believe opimd is being done by the FSO team
Nov 15 19:15:25 <lindi-> beniwtv: yes
Nov 15 19:15:34 <lindi-> beniwtv: grep -r deep .|grep -i sleep
Nov 15 19:15:41 <furester> yes, I read the ticket in thei timeline .. they plan to put opimd in ms5, but ms5 will come in january 2009!
Nov 15 19:16:19 <beniwtv> lindi-: hmm... ok I've had some reregistrations going on... Now they have stopped. Maybe it was my provider...
Nov 15 19:16:27 <TommyB> hey, does anyone know how to make the ringtone loop in SHR/FSO?
Nov 15 19:16:45 <TommyB> i replaced the ringtone with the simple sound of a ringing phone, but it is played only once
Nov 15 19:17:45 <BluesLee> TommyB: same here
Nov 15 19:18:26 <lindi-> TommyB: afaik not supported
Nov 15 19:19:35 <TommyB> hm, pity... but thanks
Nov 15 19:24:55 <BluesLee> where do i say the system which dictionary it should take as a default?
Nov 15 19:29:22 <mrmoku> quickdev: something like http://zamora.homelinux.org/BigNumbers.kbd
Nov 15 19:34:13 <BluesLee> mrmoku: is this one to bad? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/46dfb28162b480ca377122c5b9b23b7d.png
Nov 15 19:35:32 <mrmoku> BluesLee: not bad, but no numbers ;)
Nov 15 19:36:01 <BluesLee> mrmoku: i can make a similiar with the numbers
Nov 15 19:37:52 <mrmoku> BluesLee: yep, go ahead
Nov 15 19:38:29 <BluesLee> mrmoku: i will play with the default one more
Nov 15 20:08:31 <Hire> hello guys
Nov 15 20:08:43 <Hire> i had problem with my isp
Nov 15 20:09:16 <Hire> but now I am online ( for your bad luck )
Nov 15 20:17:54 <mrmoku> Hire: cosa ti aspetativi della telecom ;)
Nov 15 20:19:10 <Hire> sei italiano? 
Nov 15 20:19:23 <mrmoku> no, ma mia moglie
Nov 15 20:19:34 <sylar> mrmoku: un altro italiano :P
Nov 15 20:20:00 <mrmoku> beh, sono tedescho comunque :p
Nov 15 20:20:08 <sylar> lol
Nov 15 20:20:21 <Hire> ah, tua moglie è italiana 
Nov 15 20:20:27 <mrmoku> si
Nov 15 20:22:48 <mrmoku> how is your artwork proceding, Hire?
Nov 15 20:27:38 <Hire> almost finished :)
Nov 15 20:27:42 <Hire> soon i will post a screen
Nov 15 20:28:59 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 15 20:38:44 <furester> mrmoku, you manage to finish shr compilation cleanly?
Nov 15 20:40:49 <furester> if yes could you send me a pvt message with the right passages or update wiki's page?
Nov 15 20:41:51 <BluesLee> mrmoku: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9f75938823f2d231be770d4480b6d46d.png
Nov 15 20:43:31 <mrmoku> furester: 4105 / 5790 still running :)
Nov 15 20:44:00 <furester> mmh .. i can't manage to start compilation, I wget the makefile linked in the wiki
Nov 15 20:44:17 <mrmoku> BluesLee: I need the .kbd to feel it :)
Nov 15 20:44:21 <furester> then i run make setup
Nov 15 20:44:38 <furester> cd shr-testing
Nov 15 20:44:43 <BluesLee> mrmoku: one mo, i will switch ? an . makes more sense
Nov 15 20:44:49 <furester> vim conf/local...
Nov 15 20:44:50 <mrmoku> ok
Nov 15 20:45:05 <furester> . setup-env
Nov 15 20:45:24 <furester> and .. puff .. it complains that TOPDIR is not set and exit from the shell
Nov 15 20:45:39 <mrmoku> heh, this is because conf/topdir.conf is missing
Nov 15 20:45:51 <furester> then I set a TOPDIR=`pwd` and rerun .setup-env
Nov 15 20:46:02 <furester> make shr-lite-image complain that there is no image
Nov 15 20:46:26 <mrmoku> do: echo "export TOPDIR=`pwd`" > conf/topdir.conf
Nov 15 20:46:35 <furester> and make image stops in the first passages 
Nov 15 20:47:05 <furester> yes, I do that: i found some doc in MokoMakefile openmoko wiki page and set it
Nov 15 20:47:25 <furester> but then make shr-lite-image still not working
Nov 15 20:47:58 <mrmoku> I don't know if shr-lite-image is known by the Makefile
Nov 15 20:48:06 <mrmoku> I do it with bitbake shr-lite-image
Nov 15 20:48:24 <BluesLee> mrmoku: is a pastebin okay?
Nov 15 20:48:37 <mrmoku> yep
Nov 15 20:49:03 <BluesLee> http://pastebin.ca/1257169
Nov 15 20:49:49 <sylar> BluesLee: what's new whith this kbd?
Nov 15 20:50:42 <BluesLee> sylar: more finger friendly i thought by i missed the dictionary choice button
Nov 15 20:51:04 <mrmoku> just need to reboot to get rid of the WSoD :(
Nov 15 20:51:08 <sylar> so it is now possible to disactivate the keyboard prediction?
Nov 15 20:51:29 <furester> mrmoku, so i try with bitbake now
Nov 15 20:51:42 <BluesLee> sylar: i dont know but you could remove the dict files
Nov 15 20:52:09 <BluesLee> sylar: maybe thats my problem, i removed them, so there is no real list
Nov 15 20:52:25 <BluesLee> mrmoku: try it and give me some feedback
Nov 15 20:52:36 <mrmoku> still rebooting
Nov 15 20:52:50 <sylar> BluesLee.: doh
Nov 15 20:54:06 <BluesLee> sylar: the default kbd should be good to write sms with your fingers
Nov 15 20:54:58 <mrmoku> why would one want to deactivate keyboard prediction?
Nov 15 20:54:59 <vininim_> mrmoku: full image or lite?
Nov 15 20:55:10 <vininim_> mrmoku: did you manage to compile curl-native?
Nov 15 20:55:12 * mrmoku is building a lite image
Nov 15 20:55:35 <mrmoku> right now it is building xserver stuff
Nov 15 20:55:44 <mrmoku> don't know if curl-native is before or after
Nov 15 20:56:03 <vininim_> I'm trying now without parallel options
Nov 15 20:56:14 <Richy> I happened to press the back button yesterday a few times, while writing SMS
Nov 15 20:56:19 <Richy> and the sms is lost
Nov 15 20:59:43 <mrmoku> BluesLee: testing now
Nov 15 21:01:07 <mrmoku> BluesLee: one thing.. a little more space before the upper key row would be good
Nov 15 21:01:53 <BluesLee> mrmoku: okay
Nov 15 21:02:34 <mrmoku> furester: is bitbaking the lite bitcake working?
Nov 15 21:03:03 <furester> no
Nov 15 21:03:05 <furester> $ bitbake shr-lite-image
Nov 15 21:03:14 <furester> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'shr-lite-image'
Nov 15 21:03:26 <furester> it give me this error just now
Nov 15 21:04:06 <furester> any suggestion?
Nov 15 21:05:20 <mrmoku> try to do make setup-shr in the rootdir
Nov 15 21:06:23 <mrmoku> duh no, it's shr-image-lite!!!
Nov 15 21:06:51 <furester> what?
Nov 15 21:07:08 <mrmoku> bitbake shr-image-lite (not shr-lite-image)
Nov 15 21:08:12 <furester> rerun and i'll come back in a few minutes
Nov 15 21:09:01 <furester> in shr-testing dir, correct?
Nov 15 21:10:19 <mrmoku> yep, correct
Nov 15 21:12:05 <furester> other question .. is patch still necessary? http://pastebin.com/m65156327
Nov 15 21:12:23 <BluesLee> mrmoku: http://pastebin.ca/1257181 and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2d98196cce0c3e3321910fee4a4a8183.png
Nov 15 21:13:08 <mrmoku> furester: hmm, I heard stefan_schmidt say yesterday, that he stuffed some raster patches in OE...
Nov 15 21:13:16 <Richy> BluesLee, looks good to me
Nov 15 21:13:28 <furester> ok
Nov 15 21:13:31 <mrmoku> maybe some of them are ther now and not applying... don't know.
Nov 15 21:13:34 <mrmoku> +e
Nov 15 21:14:15 <BluesLee> Richy: maybe i move the shift some pixels down depends on the usability on the corners
Nov 15 21:14:22 <BluesLee> ^at
Nov 15 21:15:18 <mrmoku> BluesLee: yep, looks better (have not tried yet - rebooting again)
Nov 15 21:17:24 <BluesLee> you may change the value 45 to 46 in the last line starting with key (shift definition)
Nov 15 21:20:22 <furester> first error I get is this: ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
Nov 15 21:20:47 <furester> but it's not an error that block compilation
Nov 15 21:20:50 <BluesLee> mrmoku and Richy: http://pastebin.ca/1257190 and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fddef197a3dfb37d9812bc05638c89a1.png
Nov 15 21:22:21 <BluesLee> will have a look at the numbers.kbd tomorrow
Nov 15 21:23:28 <Richy> BluesLee, you could move the shift key in the right corner
Nov 15 21:23:50 <furester> build completed: http://pastebin.com/m3cc09d4a :)
Nov 15 21:24:16 <BluesLee> Richy: you mean a bigger one?
Nov 15 21:24:42 <Richy> no, the same, just shift it a few pixels to the right
Nov 15 21:24:43 <BluesLee> Richy: otherwise i cannot hit it with my fingers
Nov 15 21:25:09 <Richy> hm, you have different fingers than ;)
Nov 15 21:25:15 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 21:25:43 <mrmoku> furester: no idea :(
Nov 15 21:25:46 <BluesLee> any ideas for the numbers keyboard?
Nov 15 21:25:53 <lindi-> ?
Nov 15 21:26:09 <furester> thanks! i'll continue investigating on this problem
Nov 15 21:26:26 <Richy> take out all of the extra signs except for +-*/
Nov 15 21:26:33 <BluesLee> i think that the numbers themself should be bigger than the other symbols there
Nov 15 21:26:39 <mrmoku> an . for ip addresses
Nov 15 21:26:45 <mrmoku> +d
Nov 15 21:27:10 <BluesLee> for writing sms the numbers are central
Nov 15 21:27:27 <BluesLee> maybe two lines?
Nov 15 21:27:45 <BluesLee> first line with the numbers so that we have more place
Nov 15 21:27:59 <Richy> and make them bigger
Nov 15 21:28:02 <BluesLee> will drop [] in the first line
Nov 15 21:28:03 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 21:28:39 <BluesLee> i will drop everything in the last one except the umlauts äöü
Nov 15 21:28:54 <mrmoku> maybe use shift to have those rarely used 
Nov 15 21:29:17 <BluesLee> the shift is there
Nov 15 21:29:21 <BluesLee> hard to decide
Nov 15 21:30:34 <BluesLee> but we have a lot of symbols in the terminal kbd
Nov 15 21:30:47 <BluesLee> will drop those
Nov 15 21:31:17 <Richy> I think it depends on what you are using the keyboard for
Nov 15 21:31:30 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 21:31:59 <Richy> I tried adding contacts yesterday, and it was really annoying that you had to press "shift" to get a plus (+49....)
Nov 15 21:32:16 <BluesLee> i see
Nov 15 21:32:50 <BluesLee> i configured the default one to speed write standard sms
Nov 15 21:33:15 <BluesLee> the 2nd one is now for typing the phone number 
Nov 15 21:33:26 <BluesLee> therefore the numbers will be big
Nov 15 21:33:40 <Richy> yea, it works well, though i'm sometimes accidently hitting the back button, and than the sms is gone :-/
Nov 15 21:34:21 <BluesLee> which back button?
Nov 15 21:34:21 <beniwtv> Maybe there should be an autosave to a "drafts" folder or something... Or ask if you would like to exit
Nov 15 21:34:38 <Richy> the one above the keyboard
Nov 15 21:35:02 <mrmoku> it should not be for phone numbers only though
Nov 15 21:35:37 <Richy> would it be a possibility to add another button above the shift button to access the umlauts, é  etc.. in your new keyboard
Nov 15 21:37:39 <BluesLee> Richy: in the beginning i had a symetric kbd more like a raster, like the number kbd, so i shifted the 2nd line
Nov 15 21:38:16 <BluesLee> Richy: people dont like the mega block;-)
Nov 15 21:38:40 <Richy> BluesLee, i see
Nov 15 21:38:57 <TommyB> i once also made a numbers keyboard, maybe you want to try that one, too: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/030096.html
Nov 15 21:39:09 <TommyB> it's included in FDOM by default, i think
Nov 15 21:41:46 <BluesLee> TommyB: i am fine with that thanks!
Nov 15 21:42:52 <BluesLee> TommyB: will drop . ! ( ) for the umlauts
Nov 15 21:44:07 <BluesLee> and some more
Nov 15 21:45:12 <BluesLee> key   5  25  10  10
Nov 15 21:45:12 <BluesLee>   normal   .. ".."
Nov 15 21:45:12 <BluesLee>   shift    .. ".."
Nov 15 21:45:22 <BluesLee> ???
Nov 15 21:45:45 <BluesLee> i dont understand the third line in the numbers keyboard, cannot find the umlauts
Nov 15 21:45:51 <BluesLee> everything looks the same
Nov 15 21:47:04 <TommyB> hm? what do you mean?
Nov 15 21:47:31 <BluesLee> TommyB: not in yours in the default number kbd of shr
Nov 15 21:47:51 <TommyB> ah, ok ;)
Nov 15 21:51:38 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/22db69e6b36a696de4ab5a445175d73d.png and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/97ba39755914b8f7da6a9380217406a7.png
Nov 15 21:52:07 <BluesLee> i dont need the umlauts and i do not understand whats happening there
Nov 15 21:53:19 <TommyB> you mean in the third row of the default numbers keyboard?
Nov 15 21:53:26 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 21:54:20 <TommyB> well on my system there are lots of different umlauts in that row, once as a small letter and once as a capital letter (when shift is pressed)
Nov 15 21:54:33 <BluesLee> i know
Nov 15 21:54:56 <BluesLee> but if i look in the kbd file i only see the above symbols ..
Nov 15 21:55:12 <TommyB> oh, i see
Nov 15 21:55:18 <TommyB> are you logged in per ssh?
Nov 15 21:55:25 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 15 21:55:38 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 15 21:55:43 <BluesLee> no i understand
Nov 15 21:55:44 <TommyB> that file is probably unicode-encoded, maybe your terminal doesn't support that?
Nov 15 22:00:35 <BluesLee> as far as i can see all your symbols are contained in the terminal kbd
Nov 15 22:01:01 <BluesLee> i will add 2x3 umlauts in the first shift line
Nov 15 22:01:52 <BluesLee> [ and ] are missing in the terminal.kbd
Nov 15 22:03:07 <TommyB> yes, i only copied numbers and some symbols from the default numbers keyboard and rearranged them (so that you don't have to press shift for "+", e.g.)
Nov 15 22:03:24 <BluesLee> + is a good idea there
Nov 15 22:03:29 <TommyB> the intention of that numbers keyboard was just numbers and a handful of number-related symbols
Nov 15 22:08:09 <TommyB> btw, i just read some good news on the devel list: looks like a public GSM firmware update is to be released soon, with hope to fix #666
Nov 15 22:16:25 <BluesLee> TommyB: i dont see the umlauts when typed i configured the kbd file on my pc and did a scp
Nov 15 22:18:13 <TommyB> BluesLee: yes, that probably was an encoding problem
Nov 15 22:18:31 <TommyB> just make sure that the resulting file has the same encoding as the original... i think illume expects utf8
Nov 15 22:20:22 <BluesLee> the original one is saved in kate (utf-8)
Nov 15 22:27:48 <BluesLee> TommyB: maybe its of the dictionary that the umlauts are not accepted?
Nov 15 22:27:58 <BluesLee> i can see them on the keyboard
Nov 15 22:30:23 <beniwtv> what is the correct way of hiding the mouse cursor in illume/enlightenment? 
Nov 15 22:31:30 <TommyB> BluesLee: i'd still rather suppose that it is an encoding problem... i just looked up the default encoding of my SHR, and it is utf8
Nov 15 22:31:46 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/92f7f59f283819d3d666bb480b58cfeb.png
Nov 15 22:32:00 <TommyB> BluesLee: if the default encoding of your pc is different from that, then you will have display issues with umlauts
Nov 15 22:32:41 <TommyB> BluesLee: unless you use an editor that is capable of handling foreign encodings... kate can probably do that
Nov 15 22:33:22 <BluesLee> i use utf8 for kate and now i will also try utf8 in the terminal for the scp command
Nov 15 22:34:12 <BluesLee> otherwise i do not know how to handle
Nov 15 22:35:25 <TommyB> yeah, try that
Nov 15 22:35:52 <BluesLee> doesnt work
Nov 15 22:36:17 <BluesLee> i used the -p switch for scp to preserve things
Nov 15 22:36:34 <BluesLee> he also does not like -
Nov 15 22:36:49 <TommyB> what exactly does not work?
Nov 15 22:37:08 <BluesLee> umlauts, euro symbol and -
Nov 15 22:37:19 <BluesLee> % and [] are okay
Nov 15 22:38:06 <BluesLee> those in "" do not work
Nov 15 22:40:03 <skysurfer_> Does anyone know if all the GTA02s have the same revision of the Glamo?
Nov 15 22:41:01 <skysurfer_> Digging through some of the kernel patches I saw a comment about making the code compatible with the "various
Nov 15 22:41:01 <skysurfer_> -+ * 2MB/4MB/8MB variants of the Smedia chips"
Nov 15 22:41:57 <mwester> there are no product number differences in the glamo or capability differences on any of the shipping gta02's (perhaps there were a few pre-production or prototypes with different chips, but it's never been mentinoed, and there's no evidence in the source code)
Nov 15 22:43:07 <skysurfer_> is it known if they all have 8Mb SDRAM on the Glamo?
Nov 15 22:43:41 <mwester> don't know.  i would expect it should say in the wiki
Nov 15 22:45:17 <skysurfer_> I have looked, the best source I can find is a PDF written by Harald Welte which mentions it having 8MB of internal SDRAM
Nov 15 22:45:46 <skysurfer_> I am trying to find all the information I can to add to the Smedia_Glamo_3362 page of the wiki
Nov 15 22:46:14 <skysurfer_> but it is proving to be difficult to find much information about it
Nov 15 22:46:50 <DocScrutinizer2> mwester: looked at wiki/gsm/flashing lately?
Nov 15 22:47:42 <DocScrutinizer2> some *small* changes ;-)
Nov 15 22:50:23 <DocScrutinizer2> Skysurfer: AFAIK there's no different glamo chips in GTA02
Nov 15 22:52:39 <skysurfer_> I guess I should of phrased that better, is it known which version is used then?
Nov 15 22:53:41 <DocScrutinizer2> ask me again tomorrow, going to sleep now, actually no access to BOM from here ;-)
Nov 15 22:54:12 <skysurfer_> sounds fair =)
Nov 15 22:54:48 <TommyB> ok, i just had a chat with BluesLee, and the problem with umlauts is actually that he can't enter them into the SHR messaging application
Nov 15 22:55:15 <TommyB> i can confirm that: when i try to enter umlauts into a SMS, even with the standard illume keyboard layouts, it doesn't work
Nov 15 22:55:29 <DocScrutinizer2> Skysurfer: better even: send me a mail
Nov 15 22:55:37 <TommyB> can anyone else successfully enter umlauts in SHR?
Nov 15 22:55:57 <skysurfer_> DocScrutinizer, can do, thanks!
Nov 15 22:56:04 <DocScrutinizer2> np
Nov 15 22:58:41 <TommyB> hm, i guess the umlaut problem is already known: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/58
Nov 16 00:05:48 <vininim_> NOTE: make DESTDIR=/home/vininim/devel/openmoko/shrroot/shr-testing/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libframeworkd-phonegui-0.0.1+r5-svnr473+ebc7d74cf2a7f4a6db88a2303b8c7d123af00f6b-r5/image install
Nov 16 00:05:53 <vininim_> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
Nov 16 00:05:53 <vininim_> FATAL: oe_runmake failed
Nov 16 00:21:14 <vininim> uhhh.. rasterpatches don't apply anymore =3
Nov 16 00:21:37 <Ainulindale> That's because some of them has been applied upstream
Nov 16 00:21:48 <Ainulindale> So if it doesn't apply on your repository, it doesn't matter
Nov 16 00:21:58 <Ainulindale> Some will apply, some won't, either way, they're patched
Nov 16 01:02:54 <vininim> wow.. bitbake is such a joke :3
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