**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 16 02:59:56 2008
Nov 16 03:18:36 <skbohra> hi everybody
Nov 16 03:18:57 <skbohra> I have been trying to install qemu for openmoko
Nov 16 03:19:10 <skbohra> but ending up with some fancy errors
Nov 16 03:19:15 <skbohra> help me~
Nov 16 03:20:30 <skbohra> getting errors : Please wait, programming the NAND flash...
Nov 16 03:20:30 <skbohra> openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: /home/best/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or directory
Nov 16 03:21:03 <skbohra> I am following this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU#Manual_setup
Nov 16 03:26:37 <skbohra> help me
Nov 16 05:52:43 <ysakaed> anyone around?
Nov 16 05:53:22 <ysakaed> i have tried SHR but after selecting the languages, i am stucked in the page asking me to select application menu
Nov 16 05:53:36 <ysakaed> and i am not too sure what to do afterward..
Nov 16 05:53:55 <sicu> what options are there ?
Nov 16 05:54:02 <ysakaed> system default
Nov 16 05:54:27 <sicu> if that's the only one there ... then just keep going ;]
Nov 16 05:54:45 <ysakaed> how do i proceed to the next step? there is a button at the end but i cannot seem to click on that
Nov 16 05:56:27 <sylar[ZzzzZ]> you need to click "Illume"
Nov 16 05:57:05 <ysakaed> where can i click that?
Nov 16 05:57:10 <ysakaed> i only see a faded next button
Nov 16 05:57:17 <ysakaed> which cannot be clicked
Nov 16 05:57:35 <sicu> try selecting 'system default' and then try 'next'
Nov 16 05:58:06 <ysakaed> its already selected by default..even thought i try to select it again, i still cannot click on the next button
Nov 16 05:58:30 <sicu> and what language did you select ?
Nov 16 05:58:43 <ysakaed> english
Nov 16 05:59:14 <sicu> and that's the only two pages you've seen so far ?
Nov 16 05:59:24 <ysakaed> i am using shr-image-om-gta02.tar.gz from shr-testing
Nov 16 05:59:42 <ysakaed> yap, the first page is the language selection, and this is the 2nd page that i am stucked with
Nov 16 06:00:02 <sicu> weird ... it worked fine for me :/
Nov 16 06:00:12 <sicu> you installing on SD then >
Nov 16 06:00:38 <ysakaed> yes.. i put it on SD
Nov 16 06:01:34 <sicu> havn't tried that myself, i put it on internal flash
Nov 16 06:02:31 <sicu> sorry i cant help you ... Ainulindale or quickdev might be able to, but they're not here atm
Nov 16 06:03:24 <ysakaed> thanks :) i will try on internal flash and see if it works
Nov 16 06:07:28 <sylar[ZzzzZ]> I installed shr on sd
Nov 16 06:07:34 <sylar[ZzzzZ]> and I haven't those problems...
Nov 16 06:10:42 <sicu> you could try a reflash and see if it works, or on internal flash
Nov 16 06:11:18 <sicu> but since sylar got it going on sd, then i can't really see why you souldn't
Nov 16 06:12:51 <sylar[ZzzzZ]> wow! the last profile is really fine!
Nov 16 06:14:10 <sicu> last profile ?
Nov 16 06:14:21 <sicu> you mean the image on scap ?
Nov 16 06:15:38 <ysakaed> i will try on internal flash now
Nov 16 06:15:41 <ysakaed> flashing ..
Nov 16 06:16:14 <sylar[ZzzzZ]> sicu: no, the standard E profile
Nov 16 06:16:16 <sylar[ZzzzZ]> on neo
Nov 16 06:16:21 <sicu> ok ... good luck =]
Nov 16 06:16:34 <sylar> it is really usable and fast!
Nov 16 06:16:50 <sicu> good good =]
Nov 16 06:18:30 <ysakaed> which one is usable and fast?
Nov 16 06:18:53 <sylar> illume....... but also all others profiles...
Nov 16 06:20:38 <sicu> ysakaed: still flashing?
Nov 16 06:21:15 <ysakaed> yes...still going
Nov 16 06:30:36 <ysakaed> booting up
Nov 16 06:31:12 <ysakaed> now the second page is the profile page
Nov 16 06:31:26 <ysakaed> different to the one showing in SD
Nov 16 06:31:27 <ysakaed> hmm
Nov 16 06:31:54 <ysakaed> now its working :)
Nov 16 06:32:05 <sylar> ok , good :P
Nov 16 06:32:12 <ysakaed> seems like I cannot select the profile on the one in SD Card 
Nov 16 06:38:38 <ysakaed> what's the speed on loading an item in the menu? it takes around 3 seconds to go to calculator
Nov 16 06:38:46 <ysakaed> is this normal? 
Nov 16 06:39:25 <ysakaed> around 8 seconds to see Mofi window
Nov 16 06:41:52 <sylar> it is normal
Nov 16 06:42:10 <ysakaed> i see
Nov 16 06:42:18 <sylar> this happends also with all other distributions (no with android/qtopia)
Nov 16 06:42:35 <ysakaed> i just got free runner last week so i am still not too familiar with it yet
Nov 16 06:43:20 <ysakaed> but SHR seems more stable than others
Nov 16 06:43:36 <sylar> it is "slow" to load because we have serverx on a mobilephone and python scripts
Nov 16 06:43:59 <sylar> there is an optimization team that is working to make the python-loader load faster
Nov 16 06:45:00 <ysakaed> ic i have seem that in the mailing list
Nov 16 06:45:39 <ysakaed> i am trying to get shr to connect to wifi
Nov 16 06:45:44 <ysakaed> is it working yet?
Nov 16 06:45:58 <sylar> sometimes ^^
Nov 16 06:45:58 <ysakaed> its been a while after i click onncect to selected button
Nov 16 06:46:40 <ysakaed> hmm
Nov 16 06:46:47 <sylar> shr isn't released yet. it is in testing so there are many things to be fixed yet...
Nov 16 06:48:39 <ysakaed> i will try using usb networking fast..seems mofi is not working still
Nov 16 06:48:41 <ysakaed> :)
Nov 16 06:53:16 <ysakaed> hmm cannot ssh 
Nov 16 07:31:19 <soken> Anyone know the status of the .bb-files updated to use shr git? 
Nov 16 07:38:35 <vininim_> all I know is that I've been trying to build for 3 days with no success :3
Nov 16 08:22:57 <furester> soken, it seems that mrmoku|sleeping is compiling shr-lite image
Nov 16 08:25:08 <BluesLee> who did this mods, Hire? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png
Nov 16 08:30:37 <BluesLee> furester: do you know what changes are contained in the new lite images?
Nov 16 08:31:45 <furester> lite images doesn't contain midori and other applications .. you find documentation here: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started
Nov 16 08:32:31 <BluesLee> i know that but in the new one, what is fixed ...
Nov 16 08:32:54 <furester> new one?
Nov 16 08:33:14 <furester> the original probelm is that webkit-gtk doesn't compile properly
Nov 16 08:33:27 <furester> and someone doesn't like midori
Nov 16 08:33:28 <BluesLee> furester: you wrote that mrmoku is compiling the shr-lite image
Nov 16 08:33:37 <furester> so they bring out midori from image
Nov 16 08:33:43 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 16 08:34:38 <furester> methril|gone, mrmoku and soken have problem compiling shr .. one error was compile webkit-gtk
Nov 16 08:34:49 <furester> so we try an image without that deps
Nov 16 08:37:09 <soken> furester, right now its libframeworkd-phonegui that is failing
Nov 16 08:37:57 <furester> for me shasum-native fails so i can't get that passage
Nov 16 08:38:49 <soken> furester, I think that should work, what error do you get?
Nov 16 08:40:03 <furester> http://pastebin.com/m3cc09d4a
Nov 16 08:40:19 <furester> error logs are empty
Nov 16 08:41:38 <soken> well, empty logs aren't very useful :)
Nov 16 08:42:41 <furester> yeah, I try also to run bitbake -v but there's nothing real usefull
Nov 16 08:46:22 <furester> soken, you know how I could get a builded shasum-native and put it in my srcs?
Nov 16 08:51:03 <soken> furester, no I have no idea
Nov 16 08:51:55 <soken> you could attempt to build the package using standard ./configure && make just to see whats going on, but I don't know how to do that either :)
Nov 16 08:54:31 * mrmoku is not compiling any longer because of vala problems
Nov 16 09:01:29 <mrmoku> furester: you have problems with shasum-native?
Nov 16 09:02:17 <furester> yes
Nov 16 09:02:43 <mrmoku> for me it buillds - how does it fail?
Nov 16 09:02:46 <mrmoku> -l
Nov 16 09:03:02 <furester> i don't know: error log is empty
Nov 16 09:03:17 <furester> ERROR: Task 8 (/home/igor/work/shrbuild/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/shasum/shasum-native.bb, do_compile) failed
Nov 16 09:03:17 <furester> NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 6 tasks of which 6 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed.
Nov 16 09:03:17 <furester> ERROR: '/home/igor/work/shrbuild/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/shasum/shasum-native.bb' failed
Nov 16 09:03:17 <furester> NOTE: build 200811161003: completed
Nov 16 09:04:27 <mrmoku> hmm... and logs are all empty?
Nov 16 09:05:15 <furester> if you mean the "see log file at.." files, yes they are empty
Nov 16 09:06:01 <furester> now i'm trying to compile it directly without bitbake
Nov 16 09:06:26 <furester> i change shasum.inc file to get all information i need with some echoes
Nov 16 09:06:56 <furester> but i don't know if this is a real error:
Nov 16 09:06:58 <furester> ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
Nov 16 09:06:59 <furester> NOTE: Runtime target 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' is unbuildable, removing...
Nov 16 09:07:14 <furester> and it could be the cause of all other problems
Nov 16 09:08:16 <furester> i need that version of gcc?
Nov 16 09:08:44 <mrmoku> I also get this error when starting the bitbake, but it built fine
Nov 16 09:08:49 <mrmoku> until openmoko-terminal :(
Nov 16 09:09:00 <soken> mrmoku, does libframeworkd-phonegui build for you?
Nov 16 09:09:11 <mrmoku> soken: yep
Nov 16 09:09:55 <soken> mrmoku, do you have a git .bb file?
Nov 16 09:10:25 <furester> ok, i manage to compile shasum-native handly
Nov 16 09:10:35 <furester> naturally a new problem appear: quilt-native
Nov 16 09:10:37 <furester> :)
Nov 16 09:10:57 <mrmoku> soken: I made me one ;)
Nov 16 09:11:33 <mrmoku> soken: you have to rename the .bb to *_git.bb and change the revision from svnr to gitr
Nov 16 09:11:38 <mrmoku> inside the bb
Nov 16 09:11:59 <mrmoku> I thought quickdev has done it in the repo though
Nov 16 09:12:42 <soken> mrmoku, I did an make update this morning and I still have svnr bb's
Nov 16 09:12:43 * mrmoku checks the repo
Nov 16 09:14:05 <mrmoku> yep
Nov 16 09:14:40 <mrmoku> it's easy to do though
Nov 16 09:15:04 <mrmoku> just rename the .bb and change PV inside the .bb
Nov 16 09:16:10 <mrmoku> maybe you have to do bitbake -c mrproper after that
Nov 16 09:17:20 <BluesLee> are the echo supression commands included to shr?
Nov 16 09:21:16 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: awake?
Nov 16 09:26:25 <quickdev> hey
Nov 16 09:26:55 <BluesLee> hi quickdev
Nov 16 09:27:03 <BluesLee> your keyboards are finished
Nov 16 09:27:25 <quickdev> are there screenshots? :)
Nov 16 09:27:32 <mrmoku> quickdev: hey
Nov 16 09:27:40 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fddef197a3dfb37d9812bc05638c89a1.png
Nov 16 09:27:50 <quickdev> hey mrmoku 
Nov 16 09:27:57 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0e6d8dff7fbdfcf747ce56708362f6f0.png
Nov 16 09:28:06 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/92f7f59f283819d3d666bb480b58cfeb.png
Nov 16 09:28:13 <mrmoku> how about the change to git?
Nov 16 09:28:44 <BluesLee> the numbers kbd is the one from fdom did by tommyb
Nov 16 09:28:44 <mrmoku> I mean reflecting it in the .bb files ;)
Nov 16 09:29:24 <BluesLee> quickdev: but there is a general problem with umlauts etc in shr, open bug
Nov 16 09:29:54 <quickdev> BluesLee, I think there's a ticket in trac, right?
Nov 16 09:30:01 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 16 09:30:15 <quickdev> mrmoku, I had problems yesterday with building shr stuff. Have run it one scratch. Will continue that now.
Nov 16 09:30:27 <mrmoku> ok
Nov 16 09:30:47 <mrmoku> my build went fine up to openmoko-terminal2
Nov 16 09:30:54 <mrmoku> that failed because of vala
Nov 16 09:31:24 <BluesLee> quickdev: i will paste the files, so that you can feel it;-
Nov 16 09:31:44 <quickdev> BluesLee, yeah, I'm curiuos :)
Nov 16 09:33:09 <BluesLee> http://pastebin.ca/1257524 and http://pastebin.ca/1257526
Nov 16 09:33:25 <BluesLee> Default.kbd and Numbers.kbd
Nov 16 09:34:45 <soken> mrmoku, I can't get it to work, I get the same error as with the svn bb's
Nov 16 09:35:36 <mrmoku> hmm, have some logs?
Nov 16 09:35:51 <BluesLee> who did this mod http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png ?
Nov 16 09:36:57 <quickdev> maybe Hire did it
Nov 16 09:37:18 <BluesLee> it fits more the colored icons he did
Nov 16 09:38:53 <quickdev> mrmoku, "make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop." is what I'm getting. How did you fix that?
Nov 16 09:39:25 <soken> mrmoku, do_install fails and leaves this package log: http://pastebin.com/m76f8f768
Nov 16 09:39:55 <quickdev> soken, have you renamed svn things to git?
Nov 16 09:40:39 <soken> yes
Nov 16 09:41:39 <furester> starting from scratch, there is something to rename?
Nov 16 09:42:00 <quickdev> furester, yes..till I committed changes
Nov 16 09:42:19 <soken> I haven't edited all the shr packages though, but that shouldn't be neccessary for one of them to build, right?
Nov 16 09:42:23 <furester> so .. what?
Nov 16 09:43:50 <mrmoku> quickdev, soken: this is a git diff, of my shr-overlay: http://zamora.homelinux.org/overlay.diff
Nov 16 09:45:18 <mrmoku> S = "${WORKDIR}/git/${PN}"
Nov 16 09:45:22 <mrmoku> might be the missing part
Nov 16 09:45:36 <quickdev> yeah, hopefully ;)
Nov 16 09:45:40 <mrmoku> quickdev: got this from you or Ainulindale yesterday
Nov 16 09:45:51 <soken> yes, I think so, because I didn't edit that
Nov 16 09:45:54 <quickdev> S= is probably from Ainulindale 
Nov 16 09:47:19 <quickdev> mrmoku, great, that was the missing part!
Nov 16 09:47:23 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 16 09:47:27 <quickdev> furester, I commit changes in a few minutes
Nov 16 09:47:43 <quickdev> eventually things are building :)
Nov 16 09:47:53 <soken> ok, running mrproper, lets see how it works out :)
Nov 16 09:48:25 <mrmoku> quickdev: I ran into problems with openmoko-terminal2 though
Nov 16 09:48:49 <furester> mmh, sorry, which version of gcc are you using?
Nov 16 09:49:16 <quickdev> mrmoku, is shr-autorev.inc in your local.conf?
Nov 16 09:51:08 <mrmoku> yep, shr-autorave.inc and sane-srcrevs.inc
Nov 16 09:51:27 <mrmoku> heh, autorave :)
Nov 16 09:51:27 <quickdev> shr after sane-srcrevs?
Nov 16 09:51:36 <mrmoku> yes
Nov 16 09:52:10 <mrmoku> and bitbake is complaining about vala-native not available in version 1.5
Nov 16 09:52:23 <mrmoku> which would be the version in sane-srcrevs
Nov 16 09:53:33 <mrmoku> eh, shr-autorev
Nov 16 09:54:25 <mrmoku> what was the parameter to let it continue on erros? -k ?
Nov 16 09:54:52 <mrmoku> yep -k
Nov 16 09:55:15 <soken> ok, somewhere along the way I seem to have lost a bunch of packages in shr/openembedded/packages. Any way to repair it?
Nov 16 09:55:46 <mrmoku> in there are only the shr packages
Nov 16 09:55:51 <mrmoku> what is missing?
Nov 16 09:57:00 <soken> confusing... It looks like everything is there again :S
Nov 16 09:57:05 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 16 09:59:08 <quickdev> mrmoku, I think terminal went fine during build
Nov 16 10:06:15 <soken> mrmoku, I confusing myself with my git noobiness :) However, for me applying the diff deletes the libframeworkd-phonegui-* shr* and openmoko* packages
Nov 16 10:08:02 <quickdev> the diff does not contain the new _git.bb packages
Nov 16 10:10:09 <soken> I see :) I would have seen that had I just bothered to look a little closer...
Nov 16 10:14:48 <quickdev> Ainulindale, here?
Nov 16 10:14:55 <quickdev> http://rafb.net/p/QSiMtf62.html
Nov 16 10:16:05 <mrmoku> heh, or me to add the new files :)
Nov 16 10:17:28 <quickdev> Ainulindale, unfortunately I'm not able to push changes. error: unable to create temporary sha1 filename ./objects/6c: Read-only file system
Nov 16 10:22:48 <mrmoku> soken: I updated the diff to include the new ones
Nov 16 10:23:25 <mrmoku> if you applied the first one, you might want to do a 'git reset --hard' before applying the new one
Nov 16 10:23:35 <mrmoku> inside shr
Nov 16 10:24:31 <soken> ok, thanks mrmoku
Nov 16 11:01:12 <Ainulindale> quickdev ?
Nov 16 11:01:22 <quickdev> Ainulindale, ah :)
Nov 16 11:01:26 <quickdev> I tried to push my changes
Nov 16 11:01:32 <quickdev> but somehow the git is screwed up
Nov 16 11:01:40 <quickdev> ssh into the server and go to /src, then do ls
Nov 16 11:01:47 <quickdev> Input / Output error occurs
Nov 16 11:02:00 <quickdev> Ainulindale, no src, I meant /srv/
Nov 16 11:02:20 <Ainulindale> It's working well quickdev here
Nov 16 11:02:54 <Ainulindale> quickdev: git push git@shr.bearstech.com:shr-overlay.git
Nov 16 11:04:10 <quickdev> Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/AAX3DC60.html
Nov 16 11:04:24 <quickdev> shr@opmbuild:/srv$ ls
Nov 16 11:04:24 <quickdev> ls: reading directory .: Input/output error
Nov 16 11:04:24 <quickdev> shr@opmbuild:/srv$ 
Nov 16 11:06:21 <Ainulindale> Ok, problem is here too.
Nov 16 11:07:00 <quickdev> could you inform bearstech?
Nov 16 11:09:40 <Ainulindale> Already did
Nov 16 11:09:49 <quickdev> at last we need a working git ;)
Nov 16 11:09:57 <Ainulindale> quickdev: same thing for them with root
Nov 16 11:09:57 <quickdev> or we won't make any progress
Nov 16 11:10:15 <quickdev> yeah, have a look at the logs
Nov 16 11:10:21 <quickdev> hopefully no hard drive damage
Nov 16 11:10:23 <Ainulindale> Which logs?
Nov 16 11:10:31 <quickdev> kernel
Nov 16 11:10:47 <Ainulindale> Impossible
Nov 16 11:11:14 <quickdev> not you..bearstech with root ;)
Nov 16 11:11:27 <Ainulindale> quickdev: That's what I meant
Nov 16 11:11:34 <Ainulindale> 12:09:44 < lukhas> -bash: /bin/dmesg: Permission denied
Nov 16 11:11:46 <Ainulindale> And so on
Nov 16 11:14:00 <quickdev> great..hehe
Nov 16 11:15:06 <Ainulindale> Seems the host computer of our VM is failing again
Nov 16 11:15:35 <quickdev> again? :)
Nov 16 11:18:32 <Ainulindale> quickdev: temporary http://shr-trac.bearstech.com/trac
Nov 16 11:22:53 <quickdev> Ainulindale, why that? ;)
Nov 16 11:24:46 <Ainulindale> Apparently the host is failing again
Nov 16 11:24:53 <Ainulindale> Our VM is going to be moved (again)
Nov 16 11:28:38 <quickdev> ok, please inform me when I can try to push again
Nov 16 11:28:57 <Ainulindale> Seems we're doomed, though
Nov 16 11:29:00 <Ainulindale> It fails now and then =)
Nov 16 11:30:03 <mrmoku> any alternatives?
Nov 16 11:30:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Not right now
Nov 16 11:31:01 <mrmoku> openmoko does not offer something usable?
Nov 16 11:31:14 <Ainulindale> We moved from OM to something stabler
Nov 16 11:31:19 <Ainulindale> We won't do it the other way around :-p
Nov 16 11:31:32 <mrmoku> heh, sad though :(
Nov 16 11:31:38 <Ainulindale> We just have to wait one day, this isn't that difficult
Nov 16 11:31:56 <BluesLee> hey, whats going on?
Nov 16 11:32:23 <BluesLee> release date ...
Nov 16 11:32:39 <Ainulindale> Release datE?
Nov 16 11:32:46 <BluesLee> no no
Nov 16 11:32:55 <BluesLee> there is no release
Nov 16 11:32:58 <BluesLee> i know
Nov 16 11:33:09 <BluesLee> pre pre testing alpha one
Nov 16 11:33:34 <Ainulindale> That does not change the fact that in the end there will be a release though =)
Nov 16 11:34:38 <BluesLee> it will take some time to solve the shr issues
Nov 16 11:34:46 <Ainulindale> Not that long if we're plenty
Nov 16 11:35:48 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: here are some quick notes i made yesterday http://pastebin.ca/1257581
Nov 16 11:36:10 <bumbl> Ainulindale: how many work on shr at the moment?
Nov 16 11:36:15 <Ainulindale> bumbl: two.
Nov 16 11:36:22 <Ainulindale> quickdev and me.
Nov 16 11:36:23 <quickdev> too few
Nov 16 11:36:28 <Ainulindale> quickdev: heh :-)
Nov 16 11:36:36 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: hire does a good job concerning  a theme, i can do some more keyboard mods
Nov 16 11:36:49 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: but there are too few hackers
Nov 16 11:36:49 <Ainulindale> Yes, hire worked on the theme :-)
Nov 16 11:36:54 <Ainulindale> That's te problem
Nov 16 11:36:55 <Ainulindale> +h
Nov 16 11:37:21 <quickdev> BluesLee, I'll test your keyboards as soon as possible ;)
Nov 16 11:37:26 <quickdev> maybe we can include them into SHR
Nov 16 11:37:30 <quickdev> to make it more usable
Nov 16 11:37:33 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i modified the default keyboard and there was one of tommyb for the numbers, more finger friendly
Nov 16 11:37:45 <bumbl> hmm 2 are not that many :( but at least: shr is the first image which succeeded in my "daily use" test case
Nov 16 11:37:55 <BluesLee> quickdev: nice idea
Nov 16 11:38:27 <Ainulindale> bumbl: then come and help us :-)
Nov 16 11:38:33 <BluesLee> quickdev: those two keyboards are easy to handle, the terminal one is hard, i will not touch that one
Nov 16 11:38:43 <quickdev> BluesLee, yeah..that's ok
Nov 16 11:39:11 <BluesLee> quickdev: i think its okay to take a stylus for that
Nov 16 11:39:19 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 16 11:39:40 <BluesLee> i have more ideas on the keyboard stuff
Nov 16 11:39:48 <BluesLee> but i have to talk with raster
Nov 16 11:40:11 <quickdev> what's your problem? :)
Nov 16 11:40:24 <BluesLee> using colored keys would improve a lot
Nov 16 11:40:31 <Hire> why?
Nov 16 11:40:36 <Ainulindale> Colored keys?
Nov 16 11:40:40 <Ainulindale> Do you want my eyes to burn?
Nov 16 11:40:41 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 16 11:40:43 <Hire> i don't like it ...
Nov 16 11:40:44 <BluesLee> no
Nov 16 11:40:49 <Ainulindale> Yuuuk =)
Nov 16 11:40:49 <BluesLee> not so much colored
Nov 16 11:40:59 <BluesLee> a little bit
Nov 16 11:41:10 <Hire> why?
Nov 16 11:41:13 <BluesLee> only for some special keys
Nov 16 11:41:19 <Hire> the illume theme is "grey"
Nov 16 11:41:20 <BluesLee> for instance the shift one
Nov 16 11:41:34 <BluesLee> then a dark gray or light grey will do
Nov 16 11:41:47 <BluesLee> okay, colored was the wrong expression
Nov 16 11:42:05 <BluesLee> Hire: to "gain" more space
Nov 16 11:42:26 <BluesLee> will explain it later
Nov 16 11:43:45 <BluesLee> we get the most of space with a raster, keys are strictly ordered like the default numbers.kbd
Nov 16 11:43:48 <bumbl> Ainulindale: /me throws a bad word into the room: python
Nov 16 11:43:58 <Ainulindale> bumbl: python yourself
Nov 16 11:44:06 <BluesLee> problem there: not good enough for the eyes
Nov 16 11:45:23 <bumbl> Ainulindale: then I can't help you with the core apps :(
Nov 16 11:45:57 <BluesLee> Hire: when we shift the second line, we loose some space
Nov 16 11:46:41 <bumbl> BluesLee: hmm a bit "color" can be good if it fits to the theme; i have no problem with using the termial keyboard without a stylus though
Nov 16 11:46:51 <BluesLee> Hire: using different shades for special keys like the shift one will solve this
Nov 16 11:47:18 <BluesLee> no colors
Nov 16 11:47:21 <BluesLee> some shades
Nov 16 11:47:38 <BluesLee> cu
Nov 16 11:47:44 <quickdev> bumbl, familar with python?
Nov 16 11:47:51 <bumbl> quickdev: a bit yes
Nov 16 11:47:59 <quickdev> you could improve the settings application
Nov 16 11:48:29 <quickdev> it's not too difficult, but nonetheless some work :)
Nov 16 11:48:49 <bumbl> not a pro ... just for hobby - i can have a look at it after i read the edje ebook
Nov 16 11:49:08 <quickdev> bumbl, you don't need th edje ebook
Nov 16 11:49:34 <bumbl> quickdev: I need it for another project of mine
Nov 16 11:49:44 <quickdev> ok :)
Nov 16 11:49:57 <Ainulindale> bumbl: I was joking with python yourself by the way
Nov 16 11:50:02 <Ainulindale> bumbl: I had the same idea than quickdev 
Nov 16 11:50:13 <Ainulindale> The settings apps need work
Nov 16 11:50:17 <quickdev> what has to be done in shr-settings: Introduce a setting for suspend time ( 30 seconds, 5 minutes, off  for example)
Nov 16 11:50:24 <Ainulindale> quickdev: nope
Nov 16 11:50:33 <Ainulindale> quickdev: This has to be done in illume IMHO
Nov 16 11:50:40 <quickdev> ah, right.
Nov 16 11:50:51 <quickdev> but illume requires some more skill
Nov 16 11:51:14 <Ainulindale> Yep but I think raster is interested in handling that himself in illume
Nov 16 11:51:45 <bumbl> hmm settings app needs a way to set the clock
Nov 16 11:51:53 <Ainulindale> bumbl: First thing, yes
Nov 16 11:52:16 <Ainulindale> bumbl: Then it'll be great to modify pynetworkmanager to "add" it to settings
Nov 16 11:52:21 <Ainulindale> It's currently not working that well
Nov 16 11:52:28 <Ainulindale> (this is a separate project)
Nov 16 11:52:30 <Ainulindale> (not SHR related)
Nov 16 11:56:51 <bumbl> Ainulindale: is it possible to clone the shr git repo at the moment?
Nov 16 11:57:00 <ptitjes> hello!
Nov 16 11:59:30 <ptitjes> having all the settings available trhough the illume settings would be great
Nov 16 11:59:42 <bumbl> yep
Nov 16 12:00:35 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: did you have any success with networkmanager
Nov 16 12:00:37 <ptitjes> ?
Nov 16 12:00:52 <ptitjes> I can't even make it run on my desktop... :(
Nov 16 12:01:14 <ptitjes> in fact, it does run but the nm-applet shows no UI in my systray
Nov 16 12:01:24 <ptitjes> I must have missed something...
Nov 16 12:01:54 <bumbl> ptitjes: start the applet from konsole/teminal for debugging
Nov 16 12:07:14 <ptitjes> okay it is here but as there is no icon it is only 2 or 3 pixels wide :) but it does not see any wireless network
Nov 16 12:08:06 <bumbl> hmm distribution, de? anyway: haven't i mentioned: networkmanager sucks :p
Nov 16 12:08:18 <ptitjes> héhéhé
Nov 16 12:08:25 <ptitjes> gentoo
Nov 16 12:09:43 <bumbl> ptitjes: use networkmanager 0.7_rc1 (you find it in some overlays)
Nov 16 12:10:02 <bumbl> the default gentoo networkmanager ebuilds are outdated and suck even more
Nov 16 12:12:35 <Ainulindale> bumbl: it seems possible yes
Nov 16 12:14:26 <bumbl> Ainulindale: and which is the right url: shr.bearstech.com/git/ or daria.forty-two.fr/shr/trunk
Nov 16 12:15:23 <Ainulindale> bumbl: git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git for the sources
Nov 16 12:19:53 <bumbl> thank you
Nov 16 12:44:55 <bumbl> quickdev: without digging into the code: what colour combinations do you use: white and which grey?
Nov 16 13:39:11 <beniwtv> ok neng,..
Nov 16 13:42:11 <beniwtv> oups... sorry, wrong window :p
Nov 16 13:47:07 <beniwtv> bah.. still getting the bouncing calypso issue on MS4 :(
Nov 16 13:51:50 <BluesLee> should i be able to kill sms notifications, known issue?
Nov 16 13:52:04 <BluesLee> how do i check the battery status?
Nov 16 13:52:52 <BluesLee> battery applet  shows me 100% all the time
Nov 16 13:53:26 <BluesLee> apm does not give any values from terminal
Nov 16 13:55:51 <BluesLee> more /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity
Nov 16 14:11:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what do I have to do to build Packages.gz
Nov 16 14:40:25 <dcordes> somebody made a video of the fhr?
Nov 16 14:41:44 <dcordes> or whatever the new frontend is called
Nov 16 14:53:12 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: bitbake package-index
Nov 16 14:53:35 <mrmoku> thanks
Nov 16 14:59:08 <bumbl> dcordes: look at scap
Nov 16 14:59:19 <bumbl> it is flooded by shr photos
Nov 16 14:59:56 <dcordes> I would like a video where one can see how fast/reactive it is
Nov 16 15:01:13 <BluesLee> dcordes: its fast enough for me
Nov 16 15:05:13 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: which programming language do you use?
Nov 16 15:05:24 <Ainulindale> Whatever language is handy
Nov 16 15:06:46 <BluesLee> and you conecntrate on the gsm apps, dialer, message tools ..
Nov 16 15:07:04 <Ainulindale> I myself concentrate on the invisible part of the stuff
Nov 16 15:07:06 <Ainulindale> Libraries, daemons
Nov 16 15:08:12 <BluesLee> and quickdev with the ui
Nov 16 15:08:51 <Ainulindale> In truth, he corrects stuff in my work and I do the same for his
Nov 16 15:11:15 <sicu> ping Hire!
Nov 16 15:11:36 <sicu> how's your theme coming along ?
Nov 16 15:14:06 <BluesLee> emdete: ping
Nov 16 15:56:31 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: have you ever seen opkg: Invalid gzip magic?
Nov 16 15:58:18 <mrmoku> doing opkg update from my locally apache served repo...
Nov 16 15:58:29 <sicu> i'm having problems installing OMview on SHR, anyone have any ideas: http://pastebin.com/d3ea77f2b
Nov 16 15:59:17 <sicu> meh, too tired ... figured it out
Nov 16 15:59:44 <sicu> i'm either blind or stupid
Nov 16 16:01:23 <Hire> sicu: i don't know :)
Nov 16 16:01:30 <Hire> i have finished the dialer theme :D
Nov 16 16:01:35 <Hire> but... boooh :)
Nov 16 16:01:39 <Hire> i don't like so much
Nov 16 16:03:34 <sicu> Hire: any previews ?
Nov 16 16:03:40 <Hire> no :)
Nov 16 16:03:49 <sicu> thought not ;p
Nov 16 16:03:56 <Hire> today I want to finish the icon set
Nov 16 16:04:29 <sicu> you changing the icon set a lot then ? or just converting it to svg ?
Nov 16 16:06:36 <Hire> it is just svg :D
Nov 16 16:06:44 <Hire> i convert them in 85x85 png
Nov 16 16:06:56 <Hire> because illume uses that size :)
Nov 16 16:24:06 <bumbl> Hire: what part of the dialer theme do you change
Nov 16 16:24:15 <Hire> all
Nov 16 16:24:18 <bumbl> the buttons? the way they are grouped
Nov 16 16:25:22 <sicu> the way they are percieved by a blind person ?
Nov 16 16:25:42 <bumbl> :)
Nov 16 16:26:23 * sicu goes back to killing OMview for not working on SHR
Nov 16 16:26:28 <bumbl> because the default now looks not that bad (there is room for improvement but I fear that more effects mean a slower neo)
Nov 16 16:27:15 <sicu> i'm sure he's just theming everything to go with the design of the icons
Nov 16 16:28:02 <bumbl> ah ok
Nov 16 16:28:19 <sicu> hire: is it you testing stuff on scap ... or is it someone else ?
Nov 16 16:29:03 <Hire> sicu i don't have tested it :)
Nov 16 16:29:20 <Hire> yet
Nov 16 16:29:26 <sicu> hmmm, have you seen the pics then ?
Nov 16 16:29:35 <sicu> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png
Nov 16 16:29:57 <sicu> looks like someone's playing with a theme of their own
Nov 16 16:30:55 <Hire> yes :)
Nov 16 16:31:10 <Hire> but i don't like so much the style :)
Nov 16 16:31:14 <sicu> i will play too then
Nov 16 16:31:38 <sicu> well. .. it's good to have a choice though ... ppl have different tastes
Nov 16 16:31:58 <sicu> like Ainulindale likes the cli look ;)
Nov 16 16:32:14 <Ainulindale> The point of a CLI is that it has no look
Nov 16 16:32:34 <Hire> sure
Nov 16 16:33:27 <sicu> oh, i'm not so sure ... even cli's have their own looks by use of various fonts and colours ;p
Nov 16 16:33:48 <sicu> even if it is minimalistic
Nov 16 16:38:46 <bumbl> cli rocks
Nov 16 16:38:55 <bumbl> but it's not that usable on the moko :(
Nov 16 16:39:21 <lindi-> it's surprisingly usable
Nov 16 16:39:39 <bumbl> openmoko + builtin keyboard (like for example htc kaiser) would be faster
Nov 16 16:40:12 <bumbl> but one can't have everything
Nov 16 16:45:59 <sicu_> OMview crashes on startup, x.log shows this: omview: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libewl.so.1: undefined symbol: ecore_string_shutdown
Nov 16 16:46:06 <vininim> mmm... how do I ssh into 20081010 shr?
Nov 16 16:46:08 <sicu_> anybody know what that means?
Nov 16 16:46:18 <vininim> *1110
Nov 16 16:46:32 <Hire> http://n2.nabble.com/Calling-interested-Glamo-OpenGL-developers-%28was%3A-The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL%29-td1505667.html <-- someone is interested?
Nov 16 16:46:58 <sicu_> can it have something to do with the exec command in .desktop: Exec=omview --ewl-evas-xrender-x11 --ewl-theme ewl_om
Nov 16 16:47:02 <sicu_> running SHR btw
Nov 16 16:47:06 <Hire> i am not care about opengl but i want a driver's rewrite with a better 2d accel
Nov 16 16:49:15 <sicu> anyone know about any other image-apps appart from OMview then ?
Nov 16 16:50:31 <Hire> sicu: mmm.. you have to see the gpe project 
Nov 16 16:51:00 <Hire> http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/
Nov 16 16:52:02 <sicu> Hire: thx
Nov 16 16:52:27 <Hire> http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/gallery/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Applications&id=port_22574
Nov 16 16:52:32 <Hire> try gpe-gallery
Nov 16 16:53:04 <vininim> mmm maybe dropbear is only accepting connections from 192.168.0.200 but I changed that
Nov 16 17:02:38 <sicu> Hire: thanks, gpe-gallery worked like a charm
Nov 16 17:03:15 <Hire> np
Nov 16 17:03:19 <sicu> Hire: but it didn't have true fullscreen mode ... it had scrollbars and buttons
Nov 16 17:03:38 <sicu> Hire: but hey, can't be picky now can we ;p
Nov 16 17:04:03 <Hire> in the future someone can do a shr-gallery
Nov 16 17:10:02 <vininim> ok, now I'm in. shr looks good so far. 
Nov 16 17:59:51 <vininim_> mmm e is segv'ing and then not responding to touchscreen for undimming
Nov 16 18:12:20 <bumbl_> hmm edje drives me crazy - it lacks good documentation - core things are quite easy but doing a whole program sucks
Nov 16 18:14:29 <sicu> hmmm, i thought there were plenty of documentation online?
Nov 16 18:15:26 <bumbl_> sicu: yep
Nov 16 18:15:37 <bumbl_> but all spread around
Nov 16 18:15:44 <sicu> raster said that just looking at elm should provide a more than sufficient starting point
Nov 16 18:15:51 <bumbl_> elm?
Nov 16 18:17:00 <vininim_> uh.. which package provides sftp?
Nov 16 18:17:04 <sicu> bumbl_: hehe, sorry, not sure what it is ... just quoting what i've heard beeing said in here
Nov 16 18:18:35 <sicu> bumbl_: you could have a look at what raster's done: http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/st/
Nov 16 18:19:04 <sicu> the alarm app is at least functional, not sure about the other ones, think they are WIP
Nov 16 18:20:25 <bumbl_> sicu: elm != edje
Nov 16 18:20:40 <sicu> bumbl_: what are you looking into doing? creating a theme ?
Nov 16 18:20:52 <sicu> bumbl_: sorry ... misunderstood
Nov 16 18:21:01 <bumbl_> sicu: yes, creating a gui interface for my app
Nov 16 18:21:24 <bumbl_> cli + openmoko sucks
Nov 16 18:21:37 <bumbl_> i have buttons and they more or less work
Nov 16 18:21:50 <bumbl_> and now i am gathering information
Nov 16 18:21:59 <bumbl_> to get the next step done
Nov 16 18:22:16 <sicu> making it look purdy ;]
Nov 16 18:23:09 <bumbl_> sicu: no, making it usable
Nov 16 18:23:15 <bumbl_> beside the main screen
Nov 16 18:23:26 <bumbl_> s/main screen/buttons/
Nov 16 18:23:46 <sicu> i see
Nov 16 18:26:42 <sicu> bumbl_: i take it you've already seen?: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Development_with_Edje:_Introduction
Nov 16 18:27:58 <bumbl_> yes
Nov 16 18:28:15 <sicu> i'll leave you to it then ;]
Nov 16 18:28:30 <bumbl_> yep
Nov 16 18:58:36 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3861be4aef67 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py objects.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] report GSM | GPRS cipher status
Nov 16 19:02:36 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1cec6049b6e7 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document new signal org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.CipherStatus(gsm, gprs)
Nov 16 19:14:48 <Hire> a preview: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/30107b7c518222f1d09271cfee0342b1.png I have to redo alarm, htop and term
Nov 16 19:15:04 <Hire> and gpe-scap too
Nov 16 19:17:07 <bumbl> looks good
Nov 16 19:17:37 <quickdev> Hire, I like the backgroudn..curious how that looks on my phone
Nov 16 19:17:40 <quickdev> url for that? :)
Nov 16 19:18:28 <quickdev> Hire, the icons for contacts, messages, and the dialer are not in high resolution?
Nov 16 19:18:33 <quickdev> the other are looking great
Nov 16 19:20:07 <Hire> quickdev: no, them aren't in hires
Nov 16 19:20:13 <Hire> do you want that wp?
Nov 16 19:21:09 <Hire> quickdev: http://www.okiwii.net/images/4nl3q5qi96venam7ooh.png
Nov 16 19:25:14 <sicu> Hire: yes ... it's looking good
Nov 16 19:26:09 <sicu> Hire: do you design the icons yourself? or are they gpl icons that you modify for the theme ?
Nov 16 19:26:57 <Hire> the second you have told :)
Nov 16 19:27:11 <Hire> but I have do a new icon for tangogps
Nov 16 19:27:35 <lindi-> bumbl: what's wrong with cli?
Nov 16 19:27:56 <bumbl> lindi-: the on screen keyboard on the moko
Nov 16 19:28:01 <sicu> hire: ahh ... i was bored last night, so i did some designing myself
Nov 16 19:28:09 <lindi-> bumbl: is there "the keyboard"?
Nov 16 19:28:13 <lindi-> bumbl: i use xvkbd
Nov 16 19:28:29 <bumbl> i use rasters keyboard
Nov 16 19:28:29 <sicu> Hire: yes, the TangoGPS was really low-res, so had to redraw that one too
Nov 16 19:28:53 <sicu> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c768863097df0cfa4c45411737b0845.png
Nov 16 19:29:06 <bumbl> but anyway cli is not fingerfriendly - the app i want to make has to be fingerfriendly :(
Nov 16 19:29:08 <Hire> yeah it is nice
Nov 16 19:29:32 <quickdev> Hire, thanks. I like that wallpaper :)
Nov 16 19:29:59 <Hire> if you want you can add it as default wp for SHR
Nov 16 19:30:14 <Hire> but however i am working on another wp too 
Nov 16 19:30:38 <quickdev> sicu, another theme beside hire's that I like
Nov 16 19:30:44 <Hire> are you working on SHR? :)
Nov 16 19:30:46 <quickdev> both themes are fine :)
Nov 16 19:31:01 <sicu> quickdev: good to hear =]
Nov 16 19:31:27 <quickdev> Hire, atm not. Learning with my girlfriend ;)
Nov 16 19:31:45 <Hire> ohhhh I see
Nov 16 19:31:46 <Ainulindale> bumbl: CLI can be fingerfriendly
Nov 16 19:31:55 <bumbl> Ainulindale: show me
Nov 16 19:31:55 <Ainulindale> bumbl: I have a template library for mouse aware curses
Nov 16 19:31:59 <Ainulindale> Which works very fine on the neo
Nov 16 19:32:07 <bumbl> ah ok
Nov 16 19:32:28 <Ainulindale> I intended to do a curses library for SHR but it's too gadget to be of real use right now
Nov 16 19:32:56 <lindi-> bumbl: just typing short commands can be quite finger friendly
Nov 16 19:33:11 <bumbl> lindi-: sure
Nov 16 19:33:20 <quickdev> hey Ainulindale 
Nov 16 19:33:27 <lindi-> and using emacs is even easier
Nov 16 19:33:27 <Ainulindale> Yeah?
Nov 16 19:33:31 <Ainulindale> lindi-: heh :-)
Nov 16 19:33:35 <quickdev> Ainulindale, could be another theme: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c768863097df0cfa4c45411737b0845.png
Nov 16 19:33:50 <Ainulindale> Argh
Nov 16 19:34:00 <Ainulindale> Looks like a Doctor Who episode
Nov 16 19:34:06 <Ainulindale> Or the Twilight Zone
Nov 16 19:34:10 <Ainulindale> Makes my head hurts
Nov 16 19:34:14 <sicu> Hire: i borrowed your idea of colour-categories for the icons ... just to make it a recurring thing for SHR
Nov 16 19:34:14 <Ainulindale> -s
Nov 16 19:34:35 * sicu is proud of having made Ainulindale's head hurt ;p
Nov 16 19:35:47 <Hire> sicu: now I feel more useful :)
Nov 16 19:36:23 <sicu> Hire: at least your theme isn't causing Ainulindale pain ;p
Nov 16 19:36:53 <Hire> i don't know :)
Nov 16 19:38:19 <vininim_> uhh.... which opkg has gdb?
Nov 16 19:38:25 <vininim_> (in shr)
Nov 16 19:38:37 <Hire> i have almost finished
Nov 16 19:39:01 <sicu> Hire: well i have quite a way left to go ... mine is just a mockup so far
Nov 16 19:39:46 <Ainulindale> sicu: I don't like colours that much :-)
Nov 16 19:39:56 <Ainulindale> Sorry but my taste is kind of unusual
Nov 16 19:41:04 <sicu> Ainulindale: i might make another one in black, white and greytones just for you ... if i find myself being bored again =]
Nov 16 19:41:09 <Hire> sicu: if you want you can play with edje :)
Nov 16 19:41:18 <Hire> or wp :)
Nov 16 19:41:27 <Hire> or icons for gsm, wifi, battery etc
Nov 16 19:42:21 <vininim_> or I should use gdb remotely?
Nov 16 19:42:42 <sicu> Hire: sure .. will do more next weekend ... just need to get through the following 5 days of work and stress :p
Nov 16 19:43:20 <Hire> me too.. as always I have problem with my rl :D
Nov 16 19:43:58 <sicu> Hire: have you started playing with edje yet ?
Nov 16 19:44:16 <Hire> yes
Nov 16 19:44:23 <Hire> i have do a "simple" theme for dialer
Nov 16 19:45:01 <sicu> ah... that's right you told me earlier ... i have a short term memory that would make a goldfish proud
Nov 16 19:45:39 <Ainulindale> sicu: no problem with a less flashy one :-)
Nov 16 19:45:45 <Ainulindale> But this one is far too flashy for me
Nov 16 19:45:57 <Hire> me and furester we are playing on edje
Nov 16 19:46:02 <Ainulindale> Though I'm disposed to package it :-)
Nov 16 19:47:25 <sicu> Ainulindale: well then the default b&w e17 theme should be right down your alley
Nov 16 19:47:38 <sicu> Ainulindale: or is that also too much bling-bling ?
Nov 16 20:01:17 <Hire> vagalume is a last.fm radio?
Nov 16 20:01:56 <sicu> mhmmm
Nov 16 20:02:56 <sicu> http://vagalume.igalia.com/
Nov 16 20:03:25 <Hire> ok
Nov 16 20:03:29 <Hire> a client for last.fm
Nov 16 20:03:45 <sirkha_top> what was the terminal program in milestone 3, and why did we move away from it?
Nov 16 20:05:58 <von_fritz> org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext( s:apn, s:user, s:password ) its not possible to make it org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext( s:apn, s:user, s:password, s:proxy )?
Nov 16 20:06:30 <von_fritz> i need to set proxy ;)
Nov 16 20:07:18 <vininim> oh.. task-openmoko-devel
Nov 16 20:08:05 <Hire> ok
Nov 16 20:08:14 <Hire> i have to do only the icon for tangogps ...
Nov 16 20:08:22 <vininim> mmm
Nov 16 20:08:25 <quickdev> Hire, how to enable svg icons? Compile evas with svg? Nothing more?
Nov 16 20:09:12 <Hire> yeah, you have to enable it but...
Nov 16 20:09:37 <Hire> ... i have do pngs as 85x85 
Nov 16 20:09:42 <Hire> 86x86
Nov 16 20:26:12 <quickdev> Hire, you have done them 86x86? Where's the prob?
Nov 16 20:26:28 <Hire> nothing :)
Nov 16 20:26:35 <Hire> now it works nice 
Nov 16 20:26:49 <Hire> because illume scales icons 86x86
Nov 16 20:26:55 <quickdev> Hire, it's working for you? Without compiling evas with svg?
Nov 16 20:27:04 <Hire> sure 
Nov 16 20:27:08 <Hire> but them are png :)
Nov 16 20:27:32 <quickdev> ah, ok
Nov 16 20:27:34 <Hire> if you want to put the support for svg ( useful ) you have to enable svg support on evas
Nov 16 20:27:43 <Hire> into shr
Nov 16 20:28:12 <quickdev> Hire, http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/efl1/evas_svn.bb;h=35192b7ed349ac6fe22de48325d8b03bd45ca703;hb=c2d0b40006e68aff0b27314bf3085ae7ece5a202
Nov 16 20:28:40 <Hire> mmmm
Nov 16 20:28:49 <Hire> it seems to be enable ...
Nov 16 20:28:54 <quickdev> yes, exactly
Nov 16 20:29:16 <quickdev> Hire, btw., it's enabled, enable is the verb ;)
Nov 16 20:29:20 <Hire> but when I have tested some svg icons it doens't work
Nov 16 20:29:31 <Hire> yes, sorry :)
Nov 16 20:34:11 <Hire> hurray
Nov 16 20:34:16 <Hire> icons set finished
Nov 16 20:36:12 <Hire> http://www.hiretto.altervista.org/shr-icons.tar
Nov 16 20:36:14 <Hire> here is it
Nov 16 20:37:01 <Hire> i forgot to rename the icons :(
Nov 16 20:44:07 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7d1d0215b52e43b5b6906751d96011c0.png <-- do you like it?
Nov 16 20:44:36 <BluesLee> good job hire!
Nov 16 20:46:19 <sakkara> Hire: looks very nice!
Nov 16 20:46:31 <Hire> thx
Nov 16 20:46:33 <Hire> BUT...
Nov 16 20:46:41 <Hire> i have do a *little* error
Nov 16 20:46:50 <BluesLee> the background is very simple but it fits very well
Nov 16 20:48:39 <Hire> i don't like so much :)
Nov 16 20:48:47 <Hire> but now i want to fix htop and term
Nov 16 20:51:08 <BluesLee> a dark one is good
Nov 16 20:51:33 <BluesLee> i tried several light nature wps, dont fit to the icons
Nov 16 20:52:32 <BluesLee> Hire: /usr/share/enlightenment/data/icons/ is the right place for the icons?
Nov 16 20:52:46 <Hire> no
Nov 16 20:52:57 <BluesLee> where?
Nov 16 20:53:07 <Hire> the right path is /usr/share/icons/shr/48x48/apps
Nov 16 20:53:08 <Hire> :)
Nov 16 20:53:25 <BluesLee> ohh
Nov 16 20:55:18 <quickdev> Hire, great
Nov 16 20:55:37 <quickdev> Hire, why not distributing png icons?
Nov 16 20:56:09 <quickdev> Hire, still everything GPL? alarm, vagalum etc?
Nov 16 20:56:26 <Hire> yeah yeah
Nov 16 20:56:31 <Hire> all gpl, don't worry
Nov 16 20:56:58 <Hire> i have do a little error with term and htop
Nov 16 20:57:17 <quickdev> Hire, it's "I have done"
Nov 16 20:57:33 <Hire> oops 
Nov 16 20:57:33 <quickdev> Hire, why not distributing the png icons?
Nov 16 20:57:53 <Hire> wait before that i want to fix a icon :D
Nov 16 20:57:59 <Hire> an icon
Nov 16 20:58:27 <quickdev> yeah, but you haven't answered yet :)
Nov 16 21:01:23 <Hire> yes quickdev, when i finished i will upload them for you so you will can update the package
Nov 16 21:02:00 <quickdev> *so you can update the package
Nov 16 21:02:11 <quickdev> *so you will be able to update the package :)
Nov 16 21:03:04 <sicu> quickdev: was that a png vs svg question?
Nov 16 21:03:19 <quickdev> sicu, yes
Nov 16 21:03:28 <sicu> Hire: so svg support was enabled already then, but didn't work ?
Nov 16 21:03:34 <quickdev> exactly
Nov 16 21:03:37 <Hire> eheh my english is pretty bad
Nov 16 21:03:54 <Hire> but you are right 
Nov 16 21:04:18 <mrmoku> quickdev: how is your setup to develop locally?
Nov 16 21:05:04 <mrmoku> do you develop directly in you OE tree?
Nov 16 21:05:33 <mrmoku> +r
Nov 16 21:05:54 <BluesLee> Hire: yours? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c768863097df0cfa4c45411737b0845.png
Nov 16 21:06:22 <quickdev> mrmoku, I'm changed the shr.bbclass to take SHR sources from a local directory. Additionally, for developing ophonekitd, I'm using a little deploy script: http://rafb.net/p/5KPCsu80.html
Nov 16 21:06:26 <Hire> no, it is a sicu's thing
Nov 16 21:06:35 <quickdev> in shr-testing/make_ophonekitd.sh for example
Nov 16 21:06:37 <BluesLee> sicu: hi
Nov 16 21:06:39 <quickdev> the best setup would be local
Nov 16 21:06:40 <BluesLee> :-)
Nov 16 21:07:36 <quickdev> but I haven't been able to run frameworkd reliably on my host (you need to pipe commands to the modem on the neo to make it work)
Nov 16 21:07:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: if I do that in shr.bbclass I get some parsing errors
Nov 16 21:07:49 <quickdev> we should get that running in future
Nov 16 21:08:01 <quickdev> mrmoku, yes...because you have to remove SRCREV
Nov 16 21:08:05 <mrmoku> something about SRCREV used but no scm url
Nov 16 21:08:15 <quickdev> if you specifiy things local, SRCREV is not there...because it's no git/svn
Nov 16 21:08:21 <quickdev> yeah, exactlay
Nov 16 21:08:26 <mrmoku> ah, from all .bb files for the packages I want to build?
Nov 16 21:08:38 <BluesLee> sicu: your icons are not svg ones?
Nov 16 21:09:28 <quickdev> mrmoku, yes
Nov 16 21:10:10 <sicu> BluesLee: nope, for now they are just PNG
Nov 16 21:10:39 <BluesLee> but they are transparent?
Nov 16 21:10:48 <quickdev> PNG supports transparency
Nov 16 21:11:01 <mrmoku> quickdev: have you ever tried to use the toolchain instead?
Nov 16 21:11:15 <quickdev> mrmoku, yes, possible, too
Nov 16 21:11:31 <BluesLee> sicu: did you make them yourself?
Nov 16 21:11:49 <sicu> BluesLee: no point wasting time in making them SVG if edje doesn't support them even if it's enabled in evas
Nov 16 21:11:50 <BluesLee> transparency is also cool
Nov 16 21:12:17 <sicu> BluesLee: yes, png has excellent transparency support
Nov 16 21:12:26 <BluesLee> because of the wp
Nov 16 21:12:50 <BluesLee> one can see more of the chosen wp
Nov 16 21:13:06 <BluesLee> both are very good
Nov 16 21:13:29 <sicu> BluesLee: i made most of them myself, but some of them are part of another project I have that's not GPL, wo I will make new ones when I find the time
Nov 16 21:15:01 <Hire> quickdev: you can bump the version on navit to 0.1.0?
Nov 16 21:15:06 <Hire> of navit
Nov 16 21:17:48 * sicu will ask Santa yet again for 48hr days, but the scent of disappointment in the air is eminent
Nov 16 21:18:58 <Hire> quickdev: http://www.hiretto.altervista.org/shr-theme.tar
Nov 16 21:19:21 <quickdev> Hire, till tomorrow I can't do anything. You know, git is not working.
Nov 16 21:19:45 <Hire> ok :)
Nov 16 21:20:13 <quickdev> make a ticket for both :)
Nov 16 21:20:59 <quickdev> Hire, haven't tried navit yet. Is it working?
Nov 16 21:21:03 <quickdev> is it usable?
Nov 16 21:21:18 <Hire> sure :)
Nov 16 21:21:21 <Hire> it is quite usable
Nov 16 21:22:32 <quickdev> Hire, where to get that package?
Nov 16 21:22:33 <Hire> i used it as a navigator for 140 km and it works very well 
Nov 16 21:22:41 <Hire> if you want
Nov 16 21:22:49 <Hire> you can test an "old" ipkg
Nov 16 21:22:53 <Ainulindale> A patch is necessary to handle autosuspend
Nov 16 21:22:55 <Hire> http://www.kazer.org/navit/FreeRunner/
Nov 16 21:24:11 <Hire> next you can use openstreemaps or other ( and closed ) maps as marco polo grosser reiseplaner ( uses tele atlas map ) and others
Nov 16 21:24:15 <Hire> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/European_maps
Nov 16 21:24:41 <quickdev> Ainulindale, autosuspend while navigating? We could improve the settings app to temporarily set the suspend timeout there.
Nov 16 21:24:42 <Hire> i used marco polo grosser reiseplaner 2007/2008 :)
Nov 16 21:24:59 <Hire> Ainulindale: i have disabled it 
Nov 16 21:28:23 <quickdev> Hire, 
Nov 16 21:28:24 <quickdev>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for navit:
Nov 16 21:28:24 <quickdev>          *  gtk+ (>= 2.12.11) *  libgps16 (>= 2.34) * 
Nov 16 21:28:29 <quickdev> where did you get those from?
Nov 16 21:28:43 <Hire> from om's repo :)
Nov 16 21:30:10 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/63de3d2282521c13d0b3db6169047685.png <--- it seems to be finished
Nov 16 21:30:51 <quickdev> Ainulindale, force the bearstech people to make git work..it's quite essential :)
Nov 16 21:33:06 <Hire> yeah, 
Nov 16 21:37:47 <sicu> Hire: do you provide just the one set of 86x86 icons, or also a bigger set for those who change size ?
Nov 16 21:38:42 <sicu> Hire: i don't want to do more work than necessary ;]
Nov 16 21:41:15 <Hire> only one :)
Nov 16 21:41:19 <Hire> 86x86 :)
Nov 16 21:41:31 <Hire> but... why?
Nov 16 21:41:33 <quickdev> Hire, I get:
Nov 16 21:41:34 <quickdev> Enabling low-mem workaround...
Nov 16 21:41:34 <quickdev> navit:plugin_load:can't load '/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so', Error '/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
Nov 16 21:41:34 <quickdev> navit:vehicle_new:invalid type 'gpsd'
Nov 16 21:41:34 <quickdev> Error parsing '/usr/share/navit/navit.xml': Failed to open file '/usr/share/navit/maps/*.xml': No such file or directory at line 116, char 52
Nov 16 21:41:45 <quickdev> is there a docu?
Nov 16 21:41:58 <Hire> weird :)
Nov 16 21:42:13 <Hire> but here the problem  Failed to open file '/usr/share/navit/maps/*.xml': No such file or directory at line 116
Nov 16 21:42:30 <Hire> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page
Nov 16 21:42:42 <KaZeR> quickdev, this package has some issues
Nov 16 21:42:51 <KaZeR> i'm the one to blame :)
Nov 16 21:43:08 <Hire> quickdev kazer is a navit dev 
Nov 16 21:43:20 <hackbert130> quickdev:The Route > Destination menu item crashes the software (20071217 and 0.04, but fixed in 0.1.0+svnrev1255). A workaround is to set the LANG variable before calling navit. For example: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 navit Note that a short syntax (e.g. LANG=fr) would not work. If you put an "export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8" into your /etc/.profile file, it will automatically set this environment variable every time you boot up. This way,
Nov 16 21:43:21 <quickdev> KaZeR, didn't know that you are here :)
Nov 16 21:43:26 <KaZeR> the symlinks aren't created with this package
Nov 16 21:43:35 <KaZeR> quickdev, i was hiding in a corner :)
Nov 16 21:43:46 <quickdev> KaZeR, I'm not able to launch navit because of the mentioned errors
Nov 16 21:43:49 <Hire> kazer do you have issue with shr? 
Nov 16 21:43:53 <quickdev> how to fix them? Place a map in there?
Nov 16 21:44:16 <KaZeR> Hire, haven't tested it yet, i was busy on another subject
Nov 16 21:44:30 <Hire> ah :(
Nov 16 21:45:04 <quickdev> KaZeR, do you know how to fix it? Is there a documentation on how to set up navit?
Nov 16 21:46:03 <KaZeR> ln -s /usr/lib/navit/data/libdata_binfile.so.0 /usr/lib/navit/data/libdata_binfile.so
Nov 16 21:46:08 <KaZeR> ln -s /usr/lib/navit/gui/libgui_gtk.so.0 /usr/lib/navit/gui/libgui_gtk.so
Nov 16 21:46:12 <KaZeR>  ln -s /usr/lib/navit/graphics/libgraphics_gtk_drawing_area.so.0 /usr/lib/navit/graphics/libgraphics_gtk_drawing_area.so
Nov 16 21:46:18 <quickdev> yeah, and so on, ok
Nov 16 21:46:21 <KaZeR> you also have to create /usr/share/navit/maps
Nov 16 21:46:30 <quickdev> ok, fine, thanks! :)
Nov 16 21:46:34 <KaZeR> welcome
Nov 16 21:47:29 <KaZeR>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Phobie
Nov 16 21:47:35 <quickdev> Karrde, <plugin path="$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}lib*.so.0"/> works also :)
Nov 16 21:47:52 <KaZeR> ah, good to know
Nov 16 21:48:27 <KaZeR> quickdev, if you are experienced with ipkg building, or if you simply have a build env ready, it might be a good idea to make a new package
Nov 16 21:48:52 <KaZeR> simply bump to latest rev r1730, there has been a lot of fixes
Nov 16 21:48:57 <quickdev> KaZeR, is navit in openembedded?
Nov 16 21:49:08 <KaZeR> yes, but with rev 1255
Nov 16 21:49:38 <quickdev> ah, ok :)
Nov 16 21:49:49 <quickdev> we could include the newest version in shr, we'll see
Nov 16 21:50:22 <quickdev> KaZeR, how to setup maps?
Nov 16 21:50:43 <sicu> Hire: because of distortion/pixelation when upsizing
Nov 16 21:51:05 <KaZeR> quickdev, get a binfile from here : http://maps.navit-project.org/download/
Nov 16 21:51:28 <KaZeR> then echo "<map type=\"binfile\" enabled=\"yes\" data=\"/media/card/navid/yourmap.bin\"/>" > /usr/share/navit/maps/somename.xml
Nov 16 21:51:39 <sicu> Hire: what happens to your icons if someone pics the next size up, like here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ddd13e021a563e0c60166e944d1e755e.png
Nov 16 21:52:57 <KaZeR> Hire, recommanded link for shr download?
Nov 16 21:58:52 <quickdev> KaZeR, I opened the roadbook, it takes veery long, normal? :)
Nov 16 22:05:33 <Hire> sicu: do you have tested my lastest icons? it is pretty weird because png scales good
Nov 16 22:05:57 <Hire> KaZeR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
Nov 16 22:06:14 <Hire> KaZeR: om now releases an app to upgrade the gsm fw
Nov 16 22:06:19 <Weiss> i'm curious: do the GTK problems currently in OM-testing affect SHR?
Nov 16 22:06:35 <Weiss> specifically, the redraw problem described in ticket #1946
Nov 16 22:07:16 <Hire> KaZeR: so if you have problem with gsm it will probably fixed with this upgrade :D
Nov 16 22:09:43 <KaZeR> Hire, i've read about it.. and it's scary :)
Nov 16 22:10:47 <KaZeR> Hire, shr-image-lite-om-gta02.tar.gz ? from 10-Nov-2008 ?
Nov 16 22:11:12 <lindi-> Hire: was it released already?
Nov 16 22:15:26 <quickdev> KaZeR, is navit well written? 
Nov 16 22:15:55 <mrmoku> quickdev: what does the ? in SHR_MIRROR ?= ... mean? (shr.bbclass)
Nov 16 22:16:22 <quickdev> mrmoku, good question. Maybe it's only defined if it isn't defined yet.
Nov 16 22:16:25 <mrmoku> overridable via enironment variable?
Nov 16 22:16:57 <mrmoku> after playing a little with the toolchain I decided to setup a local git daemon
Nov 16 22:17:09 <mrmoku> and I have to set SHR_MIRROR to it
Nov 16 22:17:37 <mrmoku> I know I can just change the .bbclass, but pulling updates will fail when this file changes
Nov 16 22:18:27 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cb247f8d70308d5fec6a479c329e75f3.png
Nov 16 22:18:37 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7b7baa72c75d821c92db73c964bd2d25.png
Nov 16 22:18:40 <quickdev> mrmoku, git daemon is not needed...to what do you change SHR_MIRROR?
Nov 16 22:18:44 <BluesLee> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0933f9e77cc4c16d9d2af26cff0f7d6a.png
Nov 16 22:19:02 <mrmoku> quickdev: git://localhost
Nov 16 22:19:14 <sicu> Hire: nope, will try later ...my gf has run out with my FR to play with gps :/
Nov 16 22:19:32 <BluesLee> Hire and sicu: do you like them?
Nov 16 22:19:47 <sicu> BluesLee: nice, that's the one for Ainulindale, no colours whatsoever =]
Nov 16 22:19:53 <KaZeR> <quickdev> KaZeR, is navit well written?  that's a weird question :)
Nov 16 22:19:57 <sicu> BluesLee: i do ... nice =]
Nov 16 22:20:12 <KaZeR> i would say yes.. it has some crappy parts which needs rework, but i think it's mainly good code
Nov 16 22:20:16 <BluesLee> ice ice baby:-)
Nov 16 22:20:39 <quickdev> KaZeR, maybe in future I get into navit hacking ;) It's a very interesting project for me
Nov 16 22:21:19 <mrmoku> yep, navit would be very appreciated :)
Nov 16 22:21:53 <quickdev> Hire, when clicking a a certain screen place, it acts as if I have touched elsewhere. Do you know this behaviour? Is my touchscreen defect? :)
Nov 16 22:23:09 <BluesLee> sicu: hmm, all gpl but now i found nicer ones:-(
Nov 16 22:23:22 <sicu> haha ... always the case :p
Nov 16 22:23:40 <quickdev> KaZeR, the maps are drawed, right? Takes that most cpu time?
Nov 16 22:25:11 <KaZeR> quickdev, indeed it takes quite some cpu, especially on fpu-less device like the freerunner
Nov 16 22:25:25 <KaZeR> quickdev, if you want to hack, feel free to join #navit, you'll find help to start :)
Nov 16 22:25:38 <Hire> quickdev: i don't know... i don't have that issue
Nov 16 22:26:01 <quickdev> KaZeR, I could do a EFL user interface
Nov 16 22:26:09 <Hire> however quickdev navit is written pretty well and it is the best nav opensource that exist 
Nov 16 22:26:24 <quickdev> Hire, it's nearly the only one? :)
Nov 16 22:26:45 <KaZeR> Hire, thanks :)
Nov 16 22:26:52 <Hire> ah
Nov 16 22:26:53 <Hire> ergh
Nov 16 22:26:54 <quickdev> Is speed acceptable on the freerunner?
Nov 16 22:27:05 <KaZeR> quickdev, would be really nice. guis are plugins, so adding a new gui is quite easy
Nov 16 22:27:19 <Hire> quickdev: yes, it works well :)
Nov 16 22:27:20 <quickdev> yeah, already checked it out :)
Nov 16 22:27:27 <KaZeR> quickdev, it worked faster on my carputer, but it's acceptable
Nov 16 22:27:28 <quickdev> will try to compile it on my host 
Nov 16 22:27:41 <Hire> kazer: you have to download the  shr-image-lite-om-gta02.tar.gz
Nov 16 22:28:55 <KaZeR> Hire, downloading
Nov 16 22:29:39 <quickdev> KaZeR, vehicles type -> gypsy, great :) It could be used with frameworkd directly
Nov 16 22:31:35 <KaZeR> we're mostly using gpsd currently, you might encounter some bugs :)
Nov 16 22:32:25 <quickdev> great, I compiled it and it runs immediately
Nov 16 22:36:53 <quickdev> KaZeR, even with trunk road list does not work. Does it work for you?
Nov 16 22:37:08 <quickdev> The window opens..but it's completely grey
Nov 16 22:40:58 <KaZeR> quickdev, can you share your ipkg? mine is getting ole
Nov 16 22:41:02 <KaZeR> s/ole/old/
Nov 16 22:41:54 <quickdev> KaZeR, I used yours
Nov 16 22:43:34 <KaZeR> ah.
Nov 16 22:43:45 <KaZeR> ensure that position and destination are set
Nov 16 22:43:50 <dolf1074> For the newest SHR, can you do opkg update/upgrade? Or do I have to flash a new jffs2?
Nov 16 22:45:08 <KaZeR> Hire, your screenshot looks way better than OM2008 imo
Nov 16 22:46:28 <KaZeR> quickdev, it's fixed in rev 1531 http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/257
Nov 16 22:46:56 <swen__> Any idea what's wrong if the openmoko in qemu just reboots right after the bootloader? Can't see, whats written there, the message lasts only for ~500ms.
Nov 16 22:51:18 <quickdev> KaZeR, we will talk to each other. I'm very interested in that project :)
Nov 16 22:51:29 <quickdev> have a day guys
Nov 16 22:52:08 <KaZeR> quickdev, whenever you want. have a good day too
Nov 16 22:53:41 <Hire> KaZeR: thx :)
Nov 16 22:54:28 <Hire> so quickdev wants to contribute with navit? great :)
Nov 16 22:54:41 <Hire> and he wants to do an elf interfaces
Nov 16 22:54:48 <KaZeR> would be really nice
Nov 16 22:55:08 <KaZeR> (both) :)
Nov 16 22:55:08 <Hire> yes
Nov 16 22:55:49 <Hire> how is going the work on garmin map?
Nov 16 23:00:27 <KaZeR> zaxl is back on the business. it's getting better
Nov 16 23:00:48 <KaZeR> if you want garmin maps, might be worth trying, and reporting bugs you might encounter
Nov 16 23:00:53 <KaZeR> SHR is booting
Nov 16 23:00:58 * KaZeR loves the (e) logo :)
Nov 16 23:01:23 <Hire> argh
Nov 16 23:01:27 <Hire> but I am so lazy :\
Nov 16 23:03:39 <KaZeR> hehe :)
Nov 16 23:04:05 <KaZeR> well, shr booted, asked for language, now i'm stuck at select application menu dialog
Nov 16 23:04:09 <KaZeR> can't click next
Nov 16 23:04:24 <Ainulindale> Ah, raster didn't believe me when I told him so
Nov 16 23:06:43 <KaZeR> Ainulindale, so what did you do? gave up?
Nov 16 23:06:49 <Ainulindale> Reboot and it'll be fine
Nov 16 23:06:53 <KaZeR> ok thanks
Nov 16 23:06:58 <Ainulindale> But next time you see raster here
Nov 16 23:07:02 <Ainulindale> Tell him you had that issue
Nov 16 23:07:06 <KaZeR> sure i will
Nov 16 23:07:08 <sicu> Ainulindale: someone else was having that exact problem too
Nov 16 23:07:08 <Ainulindale> Ah
Nov 16 23:07:12 <Ainulindale> Speaking of the devil
Nov 16 23:07:16 <Ainulindale> 00:04:06 < KaZeR> well, shr booted, asked for language, now i'm stuck at select application menu dialog
Nov 16 23:07:19 <Ainulindale> 00:04:10 < KaZeR> can't click next
Nov 16 23:07:20 <KaZeR> :)
Nov 16 23:07:20 <Ainulindale> raster: see the paste above
Nov 16 23:07:27 <Ainulindale> raster: Seems this issue is coming more than once
Nov 16 23:07:37 <Ainulindale> KaZeR: You're sure you selected the illume profile?
Nov 16 23:07:47 <Ainulindale> raster: And hi by the way :-)
Nov 16 23:07:51 <raster> u dont have a system menu
Nov 16 23:08:24 <raster> /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
Nov 16 23:08:30 <raster> you're going to need some menu fiules
Nov 16 23:08:33 <Ainulindale> raster: What would it work partly then?
Nov 16 23:08:38 <raster> thats how e handles its app menu (main menu)
Nov 16 23:08:43 <raster> and illume puts laucnher icons up
Nov 16 23:08:45 <KaZeR> Ainulindale, i had only system default i believe. selected it, but it didn't work
Nov 16 23:08:46 <Ainulindale> raster: Just interested in what makes this work at times and not everytime
Nov 16 23:09:00 <raster> it should be the same every time
Nov 16 23:09:16 <Ainulindale> Then I guess you have no more clue than me about why it isn't :-)
Nov 16 23:09:43 <Ainulindale> raster: In 5 or 6 flashes here, I had the problem only once
Nov 16 23:10:01 <KaZeR> Ainulindale, i didn't flash in my case, only extracted to my uSD
Nov 16 23:10:24 <raster> i've never seen it
Nov 16 23:10:35 <KaZeR> raster, i rebooted then i now have 3 choices
Nov 16 23:10:37 <raster> does it list menus in the list
Nov 16 23:10:40 <raster> or is it blank?
Nov 16 23:10:48 <Ainulindale> There is only System Menu IIRC
Nov 16 23:10:52 <KaZeR> i didn't had them at my first boot
Nov 16 23:10:58 <raster> not sure
Nov 16 23:11:03 <KaZeR> illume is the right choice?
Nov 16 23:11:07 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 16 23:11:12 <KaZeR> ok thanks
Nov 16 23:11:13 <Ainulindale> But that you should have had on first boot
Nov 16 23:11:44 <KaZeR> ah, in fact at my first boot, it skipped menu #2. i wonder if i didn't press next 2 times
Nov 16 23:11:52 <KaZeR> now i have the system default menu..
Nov 16 23:11:55 <Ainulindale> KaZeR: Hmmm I think that was my case too
Nov 16 23:11:58 <raster> wait
Nov 16 23:12:00 <Ainulindale> I hastily clicked on the button
Nov 16 23:12:12 <KaZeR> raster, now it works, i can click next.
Nov 16 23:12:14 <raster> u mean menu selecting
Nov 16 23:12:18 <raster> or profile selection
Nov 16 23:12:21 <Ainulindale> menu
Nov 16 23:12:22 <KaZeR> looks like i missed the illume selection theme
Nov 16 23:12:39 <KaZeR> i didn't saw menu at first boot, but probably because i pressed next on language twice
Nov 16 23:12:46 <Ainulindale> (In my case I didn't, I selected illume and french, just to test, and clicking hastily on next IIRC)
Nov 16 23:12:54 <KaZeR> Ainulindale, you are french?
Nov 16 23:13:03 <Ainulindale> Now and then I am yes
Nov 16 23:13:06 <KaZeR> uh, numbers on pin-unlock dialog are very small
Nov 16 23:13:08 <raster> hehehehe
Nov 16 23:13:13 <Ainulindale> KaZeR: This happens from times to times
Nov 16 23:13:18 <raster> i can't think of any reason for it to "sometimes work"
Nov 16 23:13:19 <Ainulindale> Bug quickdev about that
Nov 16 23:13:20 <raster> and sometiems not
Nov 16 23:13:23 <Ainulindale> raster: Neither do I :-/
Nov 16 23:13:25 <raster> its pretty deterministic code-wise
Nov 16 23:13:26 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:13:50 <KaZeR> raster, i guess it's because of this unwanted double click
Nov 16 23:13:52 <Ainulindale> raster: By the way did your discussion about this font size issue with quickdev leaded somewhere?
Nov 16 23:13:59 <Ainulindale> s/leaded/lead/
Nov 16 23:14:02 <sicu> for me the numbers are always small on certain screens, and always normal on the others
Nov 16 23:14:17 <raster> Ainulindale: i know why
Nov 16 23:14:21 <raster> the app it started before e is
Nov 16 23:14:24 <raster> or a "daemon-app is
Nov 16 23:14:24 <Ainulindale> raster: Is this on your side or on ours?
Nov 16 23:14:30 <raster> that means at start it checks the scaling property on x
Nov 16 23:14:33 <raster> whihc isnt set yet
Nov 16 23:14:33 <Ainulindale> Ok
Nov 16 23:14:39 <raster> so when THAT app displays
Nov 16 23:14:44 <raster> it gets different scaling to others
Nov 16 23:14:45 <Ainulindale> So it's ophonekitd fault then
Nov 16 23:14:51 <Ainulindale> It starts with X
Nov 16 23:14:55 <raster> as elm just had no code to follow/track scaling after init
Nov 16 23:15:18 <Ainulindale> raster: So we just have either to wait until you get this in, or to start our daemon after e
Nov 16 23:15:28 <KaZeR> raster, congrats.. i'm trying shr+illume for the first time, and i'm really impressed
Nov 16 23:15:32 <raster> so "Screens" (windows) created by a process started before e stes the scaling property.. will just fall back to 1.0 scaling
Nov 16 23:15:42 <raster> Ainulindale:  its in
Nov 16 23:15:42 <Ainulindale> Bugger
Nov 16 23:15:44 <Ainulindale> Oh
Nov 16 23:15:46 <raster> in svn already
Nov 16 23:15:48 <Ainulindale> That's nice then
Nov 16 23:15:54 <Ainulindale> Available through OE?
Nov 16 23:15:55 <raster> as of yesterday elementary continually tracks and follows scaling
Nov 16 23:16:04 <raster> change it on the fly and the ui rescales on the fly
Nov 16 23:16:12 <Ainulindale> raster: Did quickdev give you a use case? :-p
Nov 16 23:16:22 <raster> well he told me how he's using it
Nov 16 23:16:27 <raster> it starting stuff before e is started
Nov 16 23:16:36 <raster> and thats how i knew whats was up
Nov 16 23:16:38 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:16:42 <Ainulindale> Great then
Nov 16 23:16:46 <raster> i know i didnt put code in to follow scaling
Nov 16 23:16:53 <raster> just didnt exist
Nov 16 23:17:00 <Ainulindale> Nice to know that
Nov 16 23:17:08 <Ainulindale> I'll regenerate an image asap now
Nov 16 23:17:18 <Ainulindale> There's a lot of changes everywhere
Nov 16 23:17:31 <Ainulindale> raster: By the way, how come alarm doesn't ship with its sound ?
Nov 16 23:17:35 <Ainulindale> Is it our fault?
Nov 16 23:17:40 <Ainulindale> Did we forget something?
Nov 16 23:17:52 <raster> well oe isnt so fast as to keep up with "yesterdays commits to svn"
Nov 16 23:17:53 <raster> u'
Nov 16 23:18:09 <raster> u'll just need to ignore the issue and assume its solved and solutions will just appear in time
Nov 16 23:18:09 <Ainulindale> yesterday commits regarding sane srcrev?
Nov 16 23:18:09 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:18:15 <raster> hmm
Nov 16 23:18:19 <raster> as for alarm - not sure
Nov 16 23:18:25 <raster> i quickly dumped a wav file in
Nov 16 23:18:31 <raster> last i checked it works for me...
Nov 16 23:18:33 <KaZeR> time to go to bed. good night guys
Nov 16 23:18:38 <Ainulindale> KaZeR: night
Nov 16 23:18:39 <raster> hmm no
Nov 16 23:18:45 <Hire> night kazer
Nov 16 23:18:46 <raster> those commits are delayed by weeks
Nov 16 23:18:50 <Ainulindale> raster: I can't understand though why you didn't make a clock out of alarm
Nov 16 23:18:54 <raster> oe is at least weeks behind actual development
Nov 16 23:19:07 <raster> hmm alarm has a clock...
Nov 16 23:19:14 <Ainulindale> raster: But if I modify my sane srcrev I'll be good, won't I?
Nov 16 23:19:19 <raster> i dodnt bother making a clock as i have enough of them in e
Nov 16 23:19:20 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:19:25 <raster> yeah - you shoul dbe
Nov 16 23:19:28 <Ainulindale> Yes it has a clock
Nov 16 23:19:31 <Ainulindale> But we can't set time with it
Nov 16 23:19:36 <Ainulindale> And as the UI is pretty nice
Nov 16 23:19:41 <raster> 37681 builds
Nov 16 23:19:44 <Ainulindale> Why shouldn't we be able to do it?
Nov 16 23:19:46 <raster> i just built one myself for my treo
Nov 16 23:19:54 <Ainulindale> Ok, logged
Nov 16 23:19:57 <raster> ooh SET time
Nov 16 23:19:58 <Ainulindale> I'll put it tomorrow locally
Nov 16 23:20:00 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 16 23:20:01 <raster> not judt display time
Nov 16 23:20:05 <raster> well it wasnt asked for
Nov 16 23:20:06 <Ainulindale> Sorry for the inprecise question
Nov 16 23:20:12 <raster> i was asked to write a demo alarm app
Nov 16 23:20:15 <raster> not set time :)
Nov 16 23:20:18 <Kensan> raster: hi there mate
Nov 16 23:20:20 <Ainulindale> raster: Oh and by the way
Nov 16 23:20:21 <raster> a set time app would be trivial
Nov 16 23:20:25 <raster> Kensan:  yo yo!
Nov 16 23:20:30 <Ainulindale> raster: I recently commited two primitives on FSO which could be useful to you
Nov 16 23:20:39 <Ainulindale> raster: i.e. primitives to set the idle notifier timeouts
Nov 16 23:20:40 <raster> Kensan:  btw - checked on panny - no refund for me so far. i have the charge, but no refund
Nov 16 23:20:48 <Ainulindale> raster: which you could use to set suspend time and such
Nov 16 23:21:27 <Ainulindale> It'll help us as we'll be able to remove these screen handling things from frameworkd in SHR
Nov 16 23:21:32 <Kensan> raster: weird, I have the refund but no mail.
Nov 16 23:21:33 <raster> Ainulindale: hmmm not sure how that plugs in?
Nov 16 23:21:40 <raster> Kensan:  no mail and no refund for me
Nov 16 23:21:44 <Ainulindale> raster: well
Nov 16 23:21:47 <Ainulindale> In your power settings
Nov 16 23:21:50 <raster> Kensan: so i guess my order is still in :)
Nov 16 23:21:55 <Ainulindale> You just call the primitive with the good timeout value
Nov 16 23:22:05 <Ainulindale> (Though right now, it's not persistent)
Nov 16 23:22:18 <Kensan> raster: or they ran off with your money *heh*
Nov 16 23:22:32 <Ainulindale> raster: e.g. org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetStateTimeout('suspend', 60)
Nov 16 23:23:01 <Ainulindale> And as for the set time feature
Nov 16 23:23:06 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad if you did this :-)
Nov 16 23:23:18 <Ainulindale> Everyone out there using illume is asking for it :-p
Nov 16 23:24:04 <raster> Ainulindale: oh - instead of setting the screensaver timeout
Nov 16 23:24:15 <raster> nb
Nov 16 23:24:16 <raster> \if i do this
Nov 16 23:24:20 <raster> it will break asu 2008.x
Nov 16 23:24:24 <raster> but hey... thats life
Nov 16 23:24:26 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:24:29 <Ainulindale> The power settings?
Nov 16 23:24:48 <raster> well in asu (2008.x) they rely on somethng else to auto-suspend
Nov 16 23:24:54 <Ainulindale> Same in SHR
Nov 16 23:24:55 <raster> ie the screensaver is the trigger for idle
Nov 16 23:24:56 <raster> not fso
Nov 16 23:25:02 <Ainulindale> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.html;hb=HEAD <=
Nov 16 23:25:16 <Ainulindale> SetTimeout/GetTimeouts will be helpful to you
Nov 16 23:25:22 <Ainulindale> I intend to make this persistent
Nov 16 23:25:29 <raster> right now illume has very little fso stuff beyond the gsm gadget
Nov 16 23:25:31 <Ainulindale> (Though I don't know how :-p)
Nov 16 23:25:48 <Ainulindale> I see that
Nov 16 23:25:50 <raster> it has nothng to go set fso config on start
Nov 16 23:26:01 <Ainulindale> raster: What do you mean?
Nov 16 23:26:05 <raster> as such fso may start after e so i need to probably build some infra for this
Nov 16 23:26:07 <Ainulindale> illume has nothing?
Nov 16 23:26:10 <raster> and on fso restart set it again
Nov 16 23:26:14 <raster> nothing
Nov 16 23:26:30 <raster> the only fso interactin it has is getting gsm signal changes
Nov 16 23:26:32 <raster> thats it
Nov 16 23:26:38 <Ainulindale> raster: well, it's pretty much the same thing here
Nov 16 23:26:45 <Ainulindale> At least it'll be as soon as it's persistent
Nov 16 23:26:50 <raster> and even there i need to do some "poll and see when fso finally creates the dbus service"
Nov 16 23:26:51 <raster> etc.
Nov 16 23:27:01 <Ainulindale> I though the gsm gadget did that already
Nov 16 23:27:07 <Hire> night guys :) have a nice chat :D
Nov 16 23:27:13 <Ainulindale> night Hire 
Nov 16 23:27:27 <raster> yes
Nov 16 23:27:30 <raster> thats the only bit
Nov 16 23:27:34 <raster> nothing else
Nov 16 23:27:40 <raster> its supporting both fso and qpe
Nov 16 23:27:45 <Ainulindale> So you already have a "template" then
Nov 16 23:27:48 <raster> its a bit ugly that way actually
Nov 16 23:27:49 <Ainulindale> Yes I saw that in the source
Nov 16 23:27:56 <Ainulindale> "a bit" :-)
Nov 16 23:28:19 <raster> but now this is "when e starts - and illume is loaded, find fso and tell it the timeout. if fso not up, wait for it to come up and tell it."
Nov 16 23:28:28 <Ainulindale> raster: Well anyway, would it be interesting, in your opinion, to be able to do that? (power settings)
Nov 16 23:28:34 <raster> also on config change know that it also has to tell fso of the changes
Nov 16 23:28:53 <raster> imho this is still re-einventing the wheel with x's screensaver and idle handling
Nov 16 23:29:03 <Ainulindale> raster: Wait wait wait
Nov 16 23:29:10 <Ainulindale> I'm just talking about the signal
Nov 16 23:29:15 <Ainulindale> If illume manages the power settings
Nov 16 23:29:18 <raster> imho its done the wrong way around
Nov 16 23:29:26 <Ainulindale> I'll remove the screen management from fso in SHR
Nov 16 23:29:34 <raster> ui handles ui idle
Nov 16 23:29:39 <Ainulindale> I agree with you on that
Nov 16 23:29:39 <raster> tells fso "ui is idle"
Nov 16 23:29:50 <Ainulindale> Apart from that :-p
Nov 16 23:29:51 <raster> after that fso gets to do whatever it likes when it thinks the ui is idle
Nov 16 23:30:08 <raster> (nothing, suspend, go to zero-clock, dance a jig)
Nov 16 23:30:09 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:30:23 <Ainulindale> Issue is, anyway
Nov 16 23:30:36 <Ainulindale> People are wondering why there are two places to change these power settings
Nov 16 23:30:49 <Ainulindale> Which is indeed weird
Nov 16 23:32:17 <raster> yes
Nov 16 23:32:27 <raster> i agree on that
Nov 16 23:32:44 <Ainulindale> That's why I thought this little primitives could be of interest to you
Nov 16 23:32:48 <Ainulindale> s/this/these/
Nov 16 23:32:58 <raster> sure
Nov 16 23:33:00 <raster> it makes sense
Nov 16 23:33:05 <raster> though i am waiting for it to be fixed
Nov 16 23:33:18 <raster> ie ui notifies fso of ui idle
Nov 16 23:33:19 <raster> :)
Nov 16 23:33:29 <raster> saves me doing this
Nov 16 23:33:42 <raster> then ripping it out and changing it again :)
Nov 16 23:33:54 <Ainulindale> I don't think it'll be done that way for a long time =)
Nov 16 23:34:01 <raster> thats a shame
Nov 16 23:34:06 <raster> as thats a design flaw imho
Nov 16 23:34:07 <Ainulindale> raster: Bug mickey|zzZZzz about that
Nov 16 23:34:13 <raster> and will come back to haunt you
Nov 16 23:34:17 <raster> eg
Nov 16 23:34:20 <Ainulindale> But has odeviced is bound to be redone in vala
Nov 16 23:34:28 <raster> i have a game that uses accelerometers for control
Nov 16 23:34:29 <Ainulindale> It'd be a great discussion to have
Nov 16 23:34:46 <Ainulindale> raster: I know you're right, you don't have to convince me =)
Nov 16 23:34:47 <raster> as long as i'm rotating/moving/swizziling the device
Nov 16 23:34:50 <raster> i dont want it to go idle
Nov 16 23:34:55 <raster> but i wont touch a butotn or the screen
Nov 16 23:35:04 <raster> the game/ui knows only what its inptus are
Nov 16 23:35:10 <Ainulindale> Same for GPS software
Nov 16 23:35:15 <raster> (maybe its got a gamepad connected via bluetooth or wifi?)
Nov 16 23:35:18 <raster> yup
Nov 16 23:35:24 <Ainulindale> I'd rather not see a screensaver instead of directions
Nov 16 23:35:28 <raster> the ui layer is the thing that knows when it's bored/idle
Nov 16 23:35:32 <raster> and should tell the back-end
Nov 16 23:35:48 <raster> the way fso does it it has to listen to every concievable input device
Nov 16 23:35:53 <raster> if it is used for inptu or not
Nov 16 23:35:57 <raster> and guess
Nov 16 23:36:08 <Ainulindale> Time/power/resource consuming =)
Nov 16 23:36:12 <raster> yup
Nov 16 23:36:17 <raster> in this case
Nov 16 23:36:21 <raster> if i an watchng a movie
Nov 16 23:36:23 <raster> or playing a game
Nov 16 23:36:31 <raster> the movie player wil turn off x's screensaver
Nov 16 23:36:35 <raster> they generally do
Nov 16 23:36:45 <raster> thus x's idle notification never kicks in and blanks
Nov 16 23:36:51 <raster> for example
Nov 16 23:37:03 <raster> i'd say its simplar for games
Nov 16 23:37:05 <raster> similar
Nov 16 23:37:17 <raster> as they will sometimes have movie sequences for 30 secs ora minute
Nov 16 23:37:33 <raster> (of course this is assuming u have a device big enough to have such fullscale games)
Nov 16 23:37:44 <Ainulindale> =)
Nov 16 23:37:52 <raster> a music player may want the screen to dim/blank
Nov 16 23:38:07 <raster> as its primary output is audio, not video...
Nov 16 23:38:11 <raster> anyway - i'm digressing
Nov 16 23:38:25 <raster> we agree on the better way to do it
Nov 16 23:38:35 <raster> i just was waiting until that actually happens
Nov 16 23:38:49 <raster> tho i have lots of stuff i need to do to illume
Nov 16 23:38:57 <raster> this is one very minor thing
Nov 16 23:41:20 <Ainulindale> Yep though I'd be *really* glad if you handled these power settings :-p
Nov 16 23:42:05 * lindi- has disabled all brightness control from frameworkd
Nov 16 23:42:21 <lindi-> i just have menu entries for 100% and 20% backlight
Nov 16 23:42:54 <sicu> Ainulindale: i shouldn't use icons that are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.5 for SHR, right?
Nov 16 23:43:31 <Ainulindale> I don't know =)
Nov 16 23:43:34 <raster> Ainulindale:  noted down :)
Nov 16 23:43:43 <sicu> hehe .. fair enough
Nov 16 23:45:24 <sicu> Ainulindale: did you see the icons BluesLee found: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cb247f8d70308d5fec6a479c329e75f3.png
Nov 16 23:45:28 <sicu> no colours ;p
Nov 17 00:00:21 <Ainulindale> Too sad sicu :-)
Nov 17 00:00:24 <Ainulindale> But better than yours :-p
Nov 17 00:00:41 <Kensan> night all
Nov 17 00:02:02 <Ainulindale> Night everyone, going to sleep too :-)
Nov 17 00:02:27 * mwester-laptop watches as the lights go out in Europe...
Nov 17 00:02:30 <mwester-laptop> Good night.
Nov 17 00:03:09 <sicu> nite
Nov 17 00:03:30 <sicu> Ainulindale: i hope you dream about lot's of colours ;p
Nov 17 00:08:08 <vininim> anyone managed to build libframeworkd-gui?
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