**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 17 02:59:57 2008 Nov 17 08:32:20 morning Nov 17 09:06:58 mrmoku: any news about SHR compilation? Now I get an error about libframeworkd-phonegui Nov 17 09:09:22 ï»żGoodmorning! Nov 17 09:16:06 Hi shr guys ! Nov 17 09:17:03 I would like to know if it is possible to install mplayer on the freerunner under the last shr ? Nov 17 09:27:50 kimaidou: why wouldn't it be? Nov 17 09:28:31 shr doesn't work for me, but one can install mplayer on FSO and I don't see any major differences between the two Nov 17 09:29:39 I dont know, but I canoot install it by opkg install mplayer, and when I try to install eg deforaos player, I got the error "cannot satisfy depency : mplayer" Nov 17 09:31:17 Good morning! Nov 17 09:31:55 is there a package for mplayer ? It is not present in the repos of shr Nov 17 09:32:29 I'm trying to build Openmoko image using Mokomakefile (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakeFile), but I get this error: Nov 17 09:32:56 kimaidou: maybe you could just add the FSO repository to your /etc/opkg Nov 17 09:33:00 http://www.pastebin.ca/1255978 Nov 17 09:33:11 Yes, I will try that ! Nov 17 09:35:15 How can I solve it? Nov 17 09:35:58 SteBud86: manually edit the illume_svn.bb, get it to pull the latest sources? Nov 17 09:36:32 just look at the names of the files available here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/ Nov 17 09:36:41 I've already tried to edit it, with no success... Nov 17 09:37:04 hmm.. I have no further ideas Nov 17 09:37:17 SteBud86, have you seen these instructions? http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR Nov 17 09:37:34 furester: hey Nov 17 09:37:36 I have to admit I haven't even tried using the mokomakefile in the past few months Nov 17 09:37:41 I can help you with your issue Nov 17 09:37:56 polz: what do you mean SHR doesn't work for you? Nov 17 09:37:58 the last time I did try to use it, it took about 2 days to build Nov 17 09:38:08 BTW: FSO images are available at http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/framework/ until the mp3 issue is sorted out. Nov 17 09:38:09 SteBud86, oops Im sorry, was you trying to build SHR? Nov 17 09:38:35 Ainulindale: I can't make / recieve calls on my Neo 1973. Also, some apps seem to randomly crash Nov 17 09:38:54 polz: is the pin dialog appearing? Nov 17 09:39:01 alphaone: you have a mp3 issue? Nov 17 09:39:03 Ainulindale: at least once, yes. Nov 17 09:39:17 Ainulindale: OM has Nov 17 09:39:20 No, I don't, but if this I will not solve this problem I think I will...:) Nov 17 09:39:22 polz: I'm interested in logs if you can produce them Nov 17 09:39:28 alphaone: huh? Nov 17 09:39:29 Ainulindale: I mean.. the first time I ran it, it didn't. After a reboot, it did. Nov 17 09:39:31 furester: welcome to the club (wtf to frameworkd-phonegui heh) Nov 17 09:39:33 *wrt Nov 17 09:39:37 polz: it may take time to appear Nov 17 09:39:37 Ainulindale: that's why the images are gone from downloads.om.org Nov 17 09:39:53 Ainulindale: Licensing issues, legal stuff Nov 17 09:39:59 polz: And some fixes in frameworkd are included in later things Nov 17 09:40:01 alphaone: Huh? Nov 17 09:40:02 the stupid time-wasting boring kind Nov 17 09:40:06 you mean om-sounds? Nov 17 09:40:31 Ainulindale: No, I mean libraries that are capable of decoding mp3 Nov 17 09:40:38 That's weird Nov 17 09:40:57 yeah, I was a bit too impatient the first time and had started another instance of the dialer before the pin dialog appeared Nov 17 09:41:17 That's not a problem polz Nov 17 09:41:22 There's an architecture diagram on the wiki Nov 17 09:41:27 To explain how our stuff works Nov 17 09:41:40 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/SHR_Architecture Nov 17 09:41:42 SteBud86, well, I've never tried to build anything but shr, so I don't think I can help you, sorry Nov 17 09:41:45 Ainulindale: I can't flash the phone right now, but I can do it later (in about 6h from now). Which image should I use, how do I get it to record some logs? Nov 17 09:41:55 Ainulindale: look for Subject: IMAGE/MP3 licensing issue. on community Nov 17 09:41:57 polz: I'm regenerating an image now Nov 17 09:42:06 alphaone: Ok I'll look into that thanks :-) Nov 17 09:42:54 Ainulindale: btw, I think the "full" shr image is too large to be flashed to an 1973 Nov 17 09:43:02 http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html Nov 17 09:43:31 polz: There is two images Nov 17 09:43:36 polz: standard and lite Nov 17 09:43:57 yeah, I know, the lite one was the one that I was able to boot and didn't work Nov 17 09:44:13 Ok then we'll look into that :-) Nov 17 09:44:14 the standard image was too large, so dfu-util just failed to upload it Nov 17 09:44:20 raster? Nov 17 09:44:48 Ainulindale: hi, bearstech up again? Nov 17 09:44:59 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035618.html Nov 17 09:45:07 oops, download it. The terminology here almost always confuses me. Nov 17 09:45:14 mrmoku: yes Nov 17 09:45:22 ??? Nov 17 09:45:36 fine :) Nov 17 09:45:39 raster: Could you tell me which sane srcrev I should set to the rev you told me about yesterday? Nov 17 09:45:57 (37681) Nov 17 09:46:45 btw, is anyone working on getting uboot to load a kernel from an SDHC card on the Neo 1973? Nov 17 09:47:04 37687i built today Nov 17 09:47:08 and works Nov 17 09:47:20 tho elementary entry widgets seem to have an issue with the initial text set Nov 17 09:47:22 desktop is ok Nov 17 09:47:24 but oe build is not Nov 17 09:47:29 i have been investigating Nov 17 09:48:50 raster: But which package should I set ? e-wm ? Nov 17 09:49:00 all of efl Nov 17 09:49:10 EFL_SRCREV ?= "37687" Nov 17 09:49:11 SRCREV_pn-edb-native ?= "${EFL_SRCREV}" Nov 17 09:49:11 SRCREV_pn-edb ?= "${EFL_SRCREV}" Nov 17 09:49:11 ... Nov 17 09:49:16 Eeek Nov 17 09:49:20 (eina, eet. etc.) Nov 17 09:49:22 It'll take some time to find them all :-) Nov 17 09:49:30 Do you have an example somewhere? Nov 17 09:50:03 of what? Nov 17 09:50:13 haven't u ever looked at sane-srcrevs.inc ? Nov 17 09:50:41 Indeed I looked there, but I didn't know it was up to date Nov 17 09:51:26 theres just 1 line u need to change Nov 17 09:51:30 the EFL_SRCREV Nov 17 09:51:33 then let it build Nov 17 09:52:11 Yep saw that Nov 17 09:52:18 I'll overload it in my s ane srcrev file Nov 17 10:02:03 Hmmm Nov 17 10:02:06 Now that I'm thinking about that Nov 17 10:02:08 alphaone, raster Nov 17 10:02:17 ? Nov 17 10:02:19 If I overload EFL_SRCREV in my own shr-autorev file Nov 17 10:02:23 ? Nov 17 10:02:28 Will bitbake be able to handle that ? Nov 17 10:02:33 Or will it still have the old value Nov 17 10:02:38 Ainulindale: sure Nov 17 10:02:41 (Is it interpreted at parsing or at runtime?) Nov 17 10:02:44 dunno Nov 17 10:02:52 alphaone: sure what? :-) Nov 17 10:03:08 EFL_SRCREV ?= "37687" means set it to that value if it's not already set Nov 17 10:03:15 = is set it regardless Nov 17 10:03:32 hmm Nov 17 10:03:43 yes but if my file sets it after Nov 17 10:03:45 That also depends on the parse order Nov 17 10:03:50 yeah Nov 17 10:05:13 depends on yo momma Nov 17 10:05:41 Ainulindale: Well, conf/distro/openmoko.conf requires conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc Nov 17 10:06:17 This file in turn requires conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc which has EFL_SRCREV Nov 17 10:06:37 So you need to make sure that EFL_SRCREV ist set to something else befor Nov 17 10:06:38 e Nov 17 10:07:09 We don't load openmoko.conf alphaone Nov 17 10:07:10 By the way alphaone Nov 17 10:07:19 I updated fso-makefile ad nauseam this week end Nov 17 10:07:23 Ainulindale: If you require shr-autorev in your local.conf that should be parsed before all Nov 17 10:07:28 fso-makefile? Nov 17 10:07:29 Seems you may need to use my modifications Nov 17 10:07:31 never used it Nov 17 10:07:31 alphaone: yep Nov 17 10:07:36 It's shared SHR/FSO Nov 17 10:08:08 Not going to use any makefile to control bitbake if I can help it Nov 17 10:08:28 * alphaone is using gentoo, likes the bare metal feeling :-) Nov 17 10:08:54 Ainulindale: I know you're not using openmoko.conf, but I assume you have a similar structure Nov 17 10:09:05 yep Nov 17 10:09:05 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07fso-makefile * r5bd2ee830083 10/Makefile: Inverted the inclusion of order of sane srcrev files to put shr-autorev first. Nov 17 10:09:15 alphaone: same here but I was thinking about the others :-) Nov 17 10:09:18 heh Nov 17 10:09:25 Ainulindale: :-) Nov 17 10:09:39 damn, inclusion of order Nov 17 10:09:43 can't even do a proper message Nov 17 10:09:48 goid damn hal is broken for the freerunner Nov 17 10:09:52 at least for reporting battery Nov 17 10:10:01 alphaone: by the way Nov 17 10:10:07 we talked about oeventsd last week with ptitjes Nov 17 10:10:10 He had very interesting ideas Nov 17 10:10:20 Regarding rules parsing and pluggability Nov 17 10:10:25 * raster wonders Nov 17 10:10:32 shoudl hal be fixed Nov 17 10:10:38 or should i just make it an optional config Nov 17 10:10:42 and use batget... hmmm Nov 17 10:10:48 at least batget works Nov 17 10:10:49 :) Nov 17 10:11:00 Ainulindale: I'm all ears Nov 17 10:11:11 raster: heh Nov 17 10:11:26 why was i so silly as to write hal support for something Nov 17 10:11:30 we all know how broken hal is... Nov 17 10:11:38 raster: :-) Nov 17 10:12:05 there come times Nov 17 10:12:10 alphaone: well Nov 17 10:12:19 when i go ans say "hmm let me use some existing library or service" Nov 17 10:12:23 sometiems i'm mad enough to do it Nov 17 10:12:39 alphaone: I quite agree with him on the fact that it's stupid to build a parser and use some specific grammar when we should reuse existing (and optimized) stuff Nov 17 10:12:42 then i am reminded why i am very cautious of depending on other things Nov 17 10:12:49 There are built-in solutions for rule decision Nov 17 10:12:49 they end up being broken so often! Nov 17 10:12:52 :) Nov 17 10:12:54 Such as JRules for Java for instance Nov 17 10:12:56 Ainulindale: but which? Nov 17 10:13:07 Ainulindale: We want to be language agnostic Nov 17 10:13:09 alphaone: he told me names (and called me names too), I'll ask him Nov 17 10:13:17 alphaone: This doesn't have to be language specific Nov 17 10:13:22 alphaone: use lua Nov 17 10:13:30 In my opinion, oeventsd should have a "plugin" system Nov 17 10:13:35 i.e. raster should be able to reimplement oeventsd in C if he needs to Nov 17 10:13:35 lua actually is a pretty interesting config parser... Nov 17 10:13:43 and its small Nov 17 10:13:47 (compared to python) Nov 17 10:13:49 and its simple Nov 17 10:13:50 raster: Yeah, we thought about lua Nov 17 10:13:54 i.e. the rules decision system should give him the info of what it wants to listen to Nov 17 10:14:00 if u insist on having complex config Nov 17 10:14:05 raster: actually we thought about just using edje :-) Nov 17 10:14:06 with the ability to have rulkes and logic Nov 17 10:14:09 and oeventsd should give it the event when needed Nov 17 10:14:13 u end up reproducing a language Nov 17 10:14:16 so pick a simple one Nov 17 10:14:17 :) Nov 17 10:14:19 That way, whatever is underneath is of no interest Nov 17 10:14:26 Or I thought about it, briefly. Not sure how much sense that makes Nov 17 10:14:32 alphaone: edje! eek! all edje is data structs flattened out in c! Nov 17 10:14:35 err text Nov 17 10:14:37 but look c-ish Nov 17 10:14:45 alphaone: the core of oeventsd should be, IMHO, micro oriented Nov 17 10:14:56 i.e. just listening to events and giving them to the rules decision system Nov 17 10:14:59 which should be external Nov 17 10:15:03 (from frameworkd) Nov 17 10:15:04 alphaone: actually embryo would also work Nov 17 10:15:08 smaller than lua Nov 17 10:15:15 but it'd suck for strings Nov 17 10:15:18 Ainulindale: We agreed that oeventsd needs some serious looking at Nov 17 10:15:36 it's broken way too often and way too important Nov 17 10:16:14 alphaone: that's why I think it's a necessity to keep it to the strict minimum Nov 17 10:16:18 This is a complex thing Nov 17 10:16:22 Ainulindale: yeah Nov 17 10:16:33 THat's why I thought ptitjes idea was interesting Nov 17 10:16:48 Ainulindale: him calling you names? :-) Nov 17 10:16:51 Plugging rules decision system, simple or complex, should be the choice of the user Nov 17 10:16:55 :-) Nov 17 10:17:08 remember Nov 17 10:17:10 the more complicated Nov 17 10:17:16 or stricter the engine Nov 17 10:17:27 the harder it is to implement and then re-implement in another language Nov 17 10:17:51 if u re-cycle something u then eithe rforce a re-implement of that compelx thnig u recycle if its not available for your language Nov 17 10:17:57 or veto the use of a language Nov 17 10:18:03 its a nasty world :( Nov 17 10:18:28 raster: indeed :-) Nov 17 10:18:33 raster: to me oeventsd should be as simple as Nov 17 10:18:38 "check from rules system what to listen to" Nov 17 10:18:42 "listen to events" Nov 17 10:18:46 "pass events to the rules decision system" Nov 17 10:18:48 Nothing more Nov 17 10:18:59 Well, first I will work on ogsmd sms handling. Nov 17 10:19:06 alphaone: outgoing signaaaaaaal Nov 17 10:19:16 Maybe after that I'll think a bit about oeventsd Nov 17 10:19:36 Ainulindale: That mickey should know about Nov 17 10:20:06 okay, lecture's over Nov 17 10:20:07 later Nov 17 10:20:51 Ainulindale: sure. makes sense Nov 17 10:22:33 raster: In any case I don't think oeventsd should trigger stuff by itself Nov 17 10:22:53 That's what causes failure Nov 17 10:23:18 raster: well, put yesterday build number to test Nov 17 10:23:23 I'll tell you if this works Nov 17 10:23:41 raster: did you see the theme Hire was working on, for SHR, by the way? Nov 17 10:23:54 And sicu's? Nov 17 10:24:23 hmm no Nov 17 10:24:48 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cb247f8d70308d5fec6a479c329e75f3.png <= BluesLee's Nov 17 10:24:53 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/63de3d2282521c13d0b3db6169047685.png <= Hire Nov 17 10:24:58 hmm Nov 17 10:25:05 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c768863097df0cfa4c45411737b0845.png <= The Twilight Zone Nov 17 10:25:05 icons. interesting. not sure. but ok Nov 17 10:25:08 (or sicu) Nov 17 10:25:15 wallpaper is nice Nov 17 10:25:17 thumbs up Nov 17 10:25:18 :) Nov 17 10:25:22 raster: we ship with Hire's icons now Nov 17 10:25:29 Though now they're in png Nov 17 10:25:33 he switched them to svg Nov 17 10:25:39 Which looks great Nov 17 10:25:40 (and simple) Nov 17 10:25:46 u can have them svg Nov 17 10:25:51 Yep Nov 17 10:25:53 if u have eva'ss svg loader it should work Nov 17 10:26:02 but u will load much more slowely Nov 17 10:26:02 What amazes me Nov 17 10:26:10 u pay a price Nov 17 10:26:15 Is the sheer number of SHR pictures on scap.linuxtogo.org Nov 17 10:26:31 raster: Is it that slow? Nov 17 10:26:35 svg icons are loaded+rendered at 90dpi Nov 17 10:26:50 yes Nov 17 10:27:00 svg is slower to load/render than a png Nov 17 10:27:00 Hmmm then I'll package two themes :-) Nov 17 10:27:10 also will increas memory footprint for e Nov 17 10:27:11 etc. Nov 17 10:27:30 raster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png <= this is awful to me :-) Nov 17 10:27:36 it may introduce instability too Nov 17 10:27:40 You shouldn't allow this kind of colour association Nov 17 10:27:47 It should be forbidden in e code :-) Nov 17 10:27:49 yeah Nov 17 10:28:02 thats... too much Nov 17 10:28:13 i can understand the idea Nov 17 10:28:15 color-coding is good Nov 17 10:28:27 but just aesthetically - it makes me go "ewwww" Nov 17 10:28:45 multi-colored lego (duplo) is fine for 5-year olds Nov 17 10:28:49 i think we're adults now Nov 17 10:28:50 :) Nov 17 10:28:54 raster: You should see my desktop Nov 17 10:29:11 raster: the old one : http://www.calaquendi.org/tofs/ssdunedain.jpg Nov 17 10:29:17 (3 or 4 years ago) Nov 17 10:29:22 imho color should be uses sparingly and only for very specific purposes Nov 17 10:29:46 i have very much comt to believe in toned down monocrhomatic-like colors Nov 17 10:29:51 it seems to make everyone happy Nov 17 10:29:55 eg Nov 17 10:30:01 ubuntu's brown - thoug a statement Nov 17 10:30:09 really gets up a lot of people's noses Nov 17 10:30:14 ooh Nov 17 10:30:16 u like small fonts Nov 17 10:30:17 :) Nov 17 10:30:32 I have a big screen Nov 17 10:30:39 I might as well have fonts related to the size of it Nov 17 10:30:43 I'm not blind (yet) Nov 17 10:31:04 raster: ah while I'm at it Nov 17 10:31:11 You talked about "folders" in illume a while ago Nov 17 10:31:16 I didn't quite follow your point about that Nov 17 10:31:25 Icon folders, I mean Nov 17 10:31:32 To launch applications Nov 17 10:31:50 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/Get%20Started/shr.png <= see that Nov 17 10:32:12 Did you intend to do anything about that? Nov 17 10:32:27 ewwwww Nov 17 10:32:29 the colors! Nov 17 10:32:35 neon! Nov 17 10:32:40 Heh :-) Nov 17 10:32:40 Ainulindale: i am working on edje too :) Nov 17 10:32:52 raster: too bright for me, I told him so Nov 17 10:32:59 Hire: cool :-) Nov 17 10:33:04 raster: but you see the bottom icons Nov 17 10:33:07 do you like that wp? Nov 17 10:33:30 http://www.okiwii.net/images/4nl3q5qi96venam7ooh.png <-- I mean this Nov 17 10:33:49 quickdev likes that Nov 17 10:34:05 Ainulindale: yes. b otom icons are a bit off the screen Nov 17 10:35:51 btw now the commits works on shr beartech? Nov 17 10:36:12 i want to commit my theme and navit wants to bump the version of navit to 0.1.0 Nov 17 10:36:23 and quickdev : Nov 17 10:36:27 :| Nov 17 10:39:49 raster: so did you plan to include something to handle this kind of situation? Nov 17 10:39:55 Hire: yes it works Nov 17 10:40:02 ummm Nov 17 10:40:03 scroll? Nov 17 10:40:08 raster: for instance Nov 17 10:40:17 Hire: do you have access to git? Nov 17 10:41:06 no :) Nov 17 10:45:22 Hire: could you please mail me your public key? Nov 17 10:45:24 hrrrrm Nov 17 10:45:50 ehi Nov 17 10:46:02 but I don't want the access to git :( Nov 17 10:46:18 That'd be easier for you to put your changes out there for everyone to see Nov 17 10:46:30 You'd just have to commit the icons Nov 17 10:49:06 i don't know Nov 17 10:49:23 DOn't know what? Nov 17 10:50:19 Hire: If you're more used to svn, this might help: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html Nov 17 10:50:56 the problem is simple: responsibility :/ Nov 17 10:52:30 Responsibility? For icons? Nov 17 10:52:33 Don't worry Nov 17 10:52:37 We'll be there to help you out Nov 17 10:52:40 Heh, I know that feeling. Don't want to promise something you're not sure you can deliver on Nov 17 10:53:23 Meh :-) Nov 17 10:55:53 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m644b4fe3 Nov 17 10:56:23 Oooh that's nice, he's all grown up :-) Nov 17 10:56:55 however in the past I had work with svn, git and cvs Nov 17 10:57:17 Hire: your key looks weird Nov 17 10:57:20 so I know a bit that thing :o Nov 17 10:57:23 sure :) Nov 17 10:57:33 Why is there a hash thingy before ssh-rsa? Nov 17 10:59:48 ops :D Nov 17 11:00:54 the first part is ssh-rsa, next ad awful wall of text and at last username@host Nov 17 11:01:07 an Nov 17 11:07:21 Ainulindale: 37B0F0A2 Nov 17 11:07:40 Ainulindale: that's the hashed hostname? Nov 17 11:35:47 Hi, i just flashed SHR again, now from 10.11. But my Pin disabled sim wont register again. there was a timeout to set to 7 secs but i dont know the file pls Help (btw why isnt that fixed know, since quickdev helped me find this bug) Nov 17 11:36:50 anybody know a python file in shr with gsm realted timeouts? Nov 17 11:37:17 hackbert131: can you put online all traffic between the gsm chip and the main processor? Nov 17 11:38:02 mhm i dont exactly know how to do that but we found the bug some days ago, quickdev helped me Nov 17 11:38:11 hackbert131: That's a timeout in ogsmd. Could you paste me the output of opkg show frameworkd Nov 17 11:38:19 ok Nov 17 11:38:52 hackbert131: New frameworkd has that timeout problem fixed Nov 17 11:39:19 root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list frameworkd Nov 17 11:39:20 frameworkd - 0.8.4.2+gitr2+4f39364bcbfe09c0b8bdeadb1c9069da13d3554f-r0.1 - Nov 17 11:39:25 show didnt work Nov 17 11:39:31 sorry, list Nov 17 11:40:54 hackbert131: update / upgrade Nov 17 11:41:07 alphaone: how about adding support for logging all at commands with timestamps to a file? Nov 17 11:41:10 Ainulindale: Is that frameworkd from master or from stabilization/ms4? Nov 17 11:41:16 ok thx (and sry if THAT will work) Nov 17 11:41:16 Hire: could you please regive me your key? Nov 17 11:41:18 alphaone: stab Nov 17 11:41:32 lindi-: Well, you can change loglevel to debug Nov 17 11:41:40 alphaone: yes i can but it won't include timestamps? Nov 17 11:41:47 That will give you everything sent/received plus more Nov 17 11:41:55 lindi-: It will Nov 17 11:41:55 alphaone: and it will have lots of extra stuff Nov 17 11:41:59 really? Nov 17 11:42:04 ogsmd DEBUG : got 20 bytes from: '\r\n%CSQ: 30, 99, 3\r\n' Nov 17 11:42:04 yes Nov 17 11:42:09 log to file Nov 17 11:42:11 does not have timestamps here Nov 17 11:42:18 Ainulindale: 37B0F0A2 Nov 17 11:42:18 Damn, webkit-gtk doesn't c ompile anymore Nov 17 11:42:23 Hire: full url please =) Nov 17 11:42:36 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m644b4fe3 Nov 17 11:42:38 :/ Nov 17 11:43:01 lindi-: has here. They were included some time ago Nov 17 11:43:08 Ainulindale: restab Nov 17 11:43:14 Hire: SO what was the 37B0F0A2 then? Nov 17 11:43:18 alphaone: good Nov 17 11:44:31 a gpg :D Nov 17 11:44:43 Hire: I just want a ssh public key please Nov 17 11:44:44 a public key created with gpg Nov 17 11:44:48 No time to think here Nov 17 11:44:52 alphaone: is there even a configuration option to log to file? Nov 17 11:45:02 lindi-: log_to = file Nov 17 11:45:05 log_destination = /path Nov 17 11:45:17 http://pastebin.com/m644b4fe3 <--- here, this is the ssh public key Nov 17 11:45:25 (I still can't understand why there're two options for that) Nov 17 11:45:25 hackbert131: You need at least this version: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=2428ff1029bdae825ea77a18d6e7effca9e3be8d Nov 17 11:45:55 Ainulindale: One of life's mysteries :-) Nov 17 11:46:10 alphaone: thx just testing the upgrade, will check if versions fit Nov 17 11:46:33 Hire: key is there Nov 17 11:46:45 Hire: git clone git@shr.bearstech.com:shr.git Nov 17 11:48:28 alphaone: well anyway it seems webkit-gtk from OE doesn't build anymore :-/ Nov 17 11:49:12 Ainulindale: How new is your OE? Nov 17 11:49:25 Fairly recent I'd say Nov 17 11:49:26 Ainulindale: It may be the thumb mode that does not work for it Nov 17 11:49:34 the thumb mode? Nov 17 11:49:45 Ainulindale: ARM thumb mode. Let me check Nov 17 11:49:53 METADATA_REVISION = "c2d2755c1b1f8835a59057f0ef8e6a4c55f27a92" Nov 17 11:49:56 Ainulindale: I'm busy with rebuilding an improved and mp3 free MS4 image at the moment Nov 17 11:50:02 Ok then :-) Nov 17 11:50:08 After that I can look at oe HEAD again :-) Nov 17 11:50:22 Ainulindale: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builds/56478/ Is this your problem? Nov 17 11:50:24 Unless stefan_schmidt beats me to it Nov 17 11:50:33 Which I don't mind :-) Nov 17 11:50:38 Ainulindale: If yes, 4ba0b063f104b9ef775b3dbcac5d4fdd5c8f85d8 should fix it Nov 17 11:50:45 alphaone: :) Nov 17 11:50:53 alphaone: You have enough stuff to do Nov 17 11:51:03 alphaone: Especially with re-building MS1-3 ;) Nov 17 11:51:06 stefan_schmidt: My thought exactl Nov 17 11:51:12 stefan_schmidt: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2080065.txt Nov 17 11:51:14 ehm, well... Nov 17 11:51:23 Not sure how I should tell you, but... Nov 17 11:51:25 no Nov 17 11:52:21 Ainulindale: Your OE from 12th, the fix from 15th :) Nov 17 11:52:24 If anyone wants to have redistributable MSn, n<4 images they'll have to build them on their own Nov 17 11:52:27 Well stefan_schmidt Nov 17 11:52:37 Problem is, if I update, I'm afraid it'll bork raster patches Nov 17 11:52:50 Hey guys regarding this mp3 issue Nov 17 11:52:59 is gst-plugin-ugly still usable? Nov 17 11:53:09 Ainulindale: usable yes Nov 17 11:53:18 Permission denied (publickey). Nov 17 11:53:22 Ainulindale: (update) ok, then wait until I completely merged them. Half way through atm. Need more review from mickey Nov 17 11:53:35 alphaone: thx, after an update/upgrade now my phone part seems to work, although there is no icon for it in the status bar Nov 17 11:53:35 But we (read OM) wont distribute any more images with mp3 libraries inside.. Nov 17 11:53:37 Hire: then your key isn't valid Nov 17 11:53:50 hackbert131: oh, no icon? Nov 17 11:53:52 alphaone: because of the patents and such? Nov 17 11:54:06 You can add the shelf gadget through the configuration Nov 17 11:54:10 Ainulindale: exactly Nov 17 11:54:34 Ainulindale: They had quite some trouble, I don't think they want to go through it again Nov 17 11:54:41 Ok then I'll remove it from ours too Nov 17 11:55:06 alphaone: alright thx, most important was getting a phone, and i got. SHR is best distro for freerunner by now i think Nov 17 11:55:07 alphaone: we removed the GSM gadget because of some issue with it Nov 17 11:55:14 uhm Nov 17 11:55:16 weird Nov 17 11:55:17 hackbert131: glad to hear that :-) Nov 17 11:55:28 Ainulindale: Doesn't segfault any more :-) Nov 17 11:55:38 Ok then I'll ask quickdev to redo our default configuratio Nov 17 11:55:39 +n Nov 17 11:55:53 alphaone: oh and Nov 17 11:55:58 I susbscribed to oe-devel Nov 17 11:56:06 Ainulindale: cool Nov 17 11:56:06 i don't get why Nov 17 11:56:08 ssh here works nice Nov 17 11:56:52 Hire: as I told you, your key looks weird Nov 17 11:56:57 the part before ssh-rsa shouldn't be there Nov 17 11:57:03 (Or I think so) Nov 17 11:57:38 uhm Nov 17 11:58:15 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m77d585ae try this one Nov 17 11:58:26 hackbert131: if you're interested in working with us (SHR guys), you're welcome Nov 17 11:58:58 Ainulidale: i would love to, but me coding skills are pretty low Nov 17 12:00:10 alphaone: by the way, do you know why there's no sftp-server on SHR? Nov 17 12:00:15 Is there a specific package? Nov 17 12:00:28 Ainulindale: what distro? Nov 17 12:00:53 Gentoo has an sftp USE-flag for ssh I believe Nov 17 12:01:05 I would assume debian has an extra package Nov 17 12:01:06 alphaone: SHR indeed Nov 17 12:01:13 There's no sftp-server on SHR :-) Nov 17 12:01:30 Ainulindale: Ah, then because it's dropbear :-) Nov 17 12:01:36 alphaone: sftp is part of openssh-server and lsh-server Nov 17 12:01:44 alphaone: so no separate package for sftp Nov 17 12:02:07 Ainulindale: Not sure if dropbear has sftp support Nov 17 12:02:09 lindi-: thanks Nov 17 12:02:14 So what should we do? Nov 17 12:02:40 alphaone: apt-get source dropbear && grep -r SFTP . returns ./dropbear-0.51/options.h:#define SFTPSERVER_PATH "/usr/libexec/sftp-server" Nov 17 12:03:05 nice colours http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png Nov 17 12:03:25 and ./dropbear-0.51/debian/rules: CFLAGS='$(CFLAGS)'' -DSFTPSERVER_PATH="\"/usr/lib/sftp-server\""' \ Nov 17 12:03:30 Ainulindale: I think lindi- wants to help you find the root cause ;-) Nov 17 12:05:38 opkg files dropbear doesn't list any sftp-server Nov 17 12:06:42 DPThough: i don't like so much :) Nov 17 12:07:10 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m77d585ae <-- this is a right public key Nov 17 12:07:53 This is not a ssh public key Nov 17 12:08:46 furester? Nov 17 12:09:13 here Nov 17 12:09:18 http://pastebin.com/m4866e947 Nov 17 12:09:38 the first one is in rsa Nov 17 12:09:53 Ah this is better Nov 17 12:10:33 Retry Nov 17 12:10:48 stefan_schmidt: same error here Nov 17 12:11:00 stefan_schmidt: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2080402.txt Nov 17 12:11:04 With latest OE Nov 17 12:11:13 Ainulindale: hmm Nov 17 12:11:20 Ainulindale: I'll take a look later Nov 17 12:11:28 Thanks :-) Nov 17 12:11:34 This is weird because I can't see any change Nov 17 12:11:53 Ainulindale: Must not be webkit Nov 17 12:12:31 Though this is weird Nov 17 12:12:35 sane-srcrev mentions a rev Nov 17 12:12:45 ANnd it tries to compile another rev Nov 17 12:13:02 Damn Nov 17 12:13:05 That's my fault stefan_schmidt Nov 17 12:13:08 Forget about what I said Nov 17 12:13:29 Ainulindale: Already gone. Who are you btw? :) Nov 17 12:14:16 Who am I? Nov 17 12:14:27 What do you mean, who am I? Nov 17 12:14:37 elara /home/alphaone # whoami Nov 17 12:14:37 root Nov 17 12:14:46 alphaone: dumbass :-) Nov 17 12:14:58 Ainulindale: It was a joke regarding forgetting what you said Nov 17 12:15:05 Oh Nov 17 12:15:08 Didn't follow :-) Nov 17 12:15:09 Ainulindale: :-) Nov 17 12:15:12 This must be german humour Nov 17 12:15:28 Germans don't have humour Nov 17 12:15:31 When you don't talk about pâté or baguettes Nov 17 12:15:33 I can't understand Nov 17 12:15:35 You know that Nov 17 12:16:35 Ainulindale: now works Nov 17 12:17:03 Told you =) Nov 17 12:17:28 yippee shr phone apps run since last upgrade. nice Nov 17 12:17:42 i'm pretty impressed Nov 17 12:20:22 Ainulindale: can you bump the version of navit to 0.1.0? Nov 17 12:22:29 I'll do that Nov 17 12:22:37 nice :) Nov 17 12:22:41 Though it'll probably fail Nov 17 12:23:29 naahh.. yesterday quickdev has build navit 0.1.0 rev 1730 without problem :) Nov 17 12:23:45 and quickdev is interested to make an UI with efl for navit Nov 17 12:27:50 He should focus on delivering a stable telephony library first =) Nov 17 12:28:55 just for the record: When my FR battery was completely dead I have always managed recharging it by plugging it into the wall charger from OM. Nov 17 12:29:33 Don't know if the backup battery in the FR was dead as well, though Nov 17 12:29:52 Ainulindale: you too :D Nov 17 12:30:13 do you are interested on working on opimd? Nov 17 12:30:29 Still am, yes Nov 17 12:30:52 do you have talked about it with micheyl Nov 17 12:30:57 +? Nov 17 12:43:08 Hire: indeed Nov 17 12:46:21 Hire: rev 1730 is the git|svn rev? Nov 17 12:48:45 Ok, svn Nov 17 12:48:47 Will try Nov 17 12:59:48 mickey|zzZZzz: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2080839.txt <= that's weird Nov 17 13:00:02 (rev 4604) Nov 17 13:09:02 Hmmm can't find how to set a preferred version to svn Nov 17 13:10:54 alphaone, stefan_schmidt: do you happen to know how to do that? Nov 17 13:11:56 Ainulindale: First for webkit: NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.1+svnr36540: completed Nov 17 13:12:13 Yep, here it worked with the correct srcrev Nov 17 13:12:34 I commited it someday with AUTOREV, I don't know why Nov 17 13:12:44 Ainulindale: ah, ok Nov 17 13:12:51 Though now it's openmoko-terminal2 which is failing Nov 17 13:13:14 Ainulindale: Let me test Nov 17 13:13:58 hi all, how do I turn of the accelerometers in frameworkd.conf? Nov 17 13:14:19 Ainulindale: package openmoko-terminal2-3.0.0+svnr4782: completed Nov 17 13:14:44 Ok may be coincidental then Nov 17 13:15:04 stefan_schmidt: next thing I don't know how to do is to set the PREFERRED_VERSION to svn Nov 17 13:15:17 (leaving to grab a smoke, be back soon) Nov 17 13:17:19 Ainulindale: What do you mean? Using a fixed SRCREV? Nov 17 13:20:58 yay, kitchen is clean again! Nov 17 13:21:35 Now if nobody cooks here anymore it'll stay that way :-) Nov 17 13:22:11 Ainulindale: openmoko-terminal2 has been renamed to vala-terminal some time ago Nov 17 13:25:22 stefan_schmidt: I put a fixed SRCREV but I'd like to use the svn version for that Nov 17 13:25:39 alphaone: ok then Nov 17 13:26:53 Ainulindale: Where do you draw the line between SRCREV and svn version? Nov 17 13:27:14 Huh? Nov 17 13:27:25 stefan_schmidt: SRCREV_pn-navit = "1730" Nov 17 13:27:45 PREFainu@calaquendi ~/shr/shr-testing $ grep navit openembedded/conf/distro/include/* Nov 17 13:27:48 openembedded/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc:PREFERRED_VERSION_navit ?= "0.0.4" Nov 17 13:27:58 Ainulindale: aah Nov 17 13:28:03 What I'd like to do is use the navit_svn.bb file Nov 17 13:28:05 and my SRCREV Nov 17 13:28:14 Ainulindale: ok Nov 17 13:28:55 Ainulindale: Good question, indeed Nov 17 13:29:11 stefan_schmidt: It happens from time to time Nov 17 13:29:12 Ainulindale: Comment out the line in preferred version would work Nov 17 13:29:14 (Good questions from me) Nov 17 13:29:20 stefan_schmidt: I can't, indeed Nov 17 13:29:25 Ainulindale: Also overriding it in local.conf Nov 17 13:29:34 That's why I'd like to override it/unset it Nov 17 13:30:08 ?= means you can override it Nov 17 13:30:18 Yeah, but overriding it with what? Nov 17 13:30:18 Tested to set it in local.conf? Nov 17 13:30:29 Ainulindale: rev? Nov 17 13:30:33 SRCREV_pn-navit = "1730" Nov 17 13:30:33 PREFERRED_VERSION_navit = "0.1.0" Nov 17 13:30:35 ainu@calaquendi ~/shr/shr-testing $ grep navit shr/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc Nov 17 13:30:59 (0.1.0 being the short PV of navit_svn.bb) Nov 17 13:31:35 hmm Nov 17 13:31:57 Hmm indeed :-) Nov 17 13:32:07 I wonder why I did not run into this until now :) Nov 17 13:32:39 I tried to grep into some files, but couldn't see a pertinent answer Nov 17 13:33:41 and indeed Nov 17 13:33:42 NOTE: preferred version 0.1.0 of navit not available (for item navit) Nov 17 13:33:50 I also tried svn, same issue Nov 17 13:34:10 Ainulindale: Better ask mickey|zzZZzz about that. No idea here. Nov 17 13:34:18 Ok then :-) Nov 17 13:36:07 Oh, I see Nov 17 13:36:23 DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1 in the navit bb file Nov 17 13:36:35 Ainulindale: heh, yeah, that breaks it :) Nov 17 13:36:43 That's dumb Nov 17 13:37:03 Hmm and the bb file doesn't take the rev into account Nov 17 13:37:07 (it seems) Nov 17 13:37:26 Ah, no, it works Nov 17 13:37:31 Ok let's see what it does Nov 17 13:38:22 alphaone: is there any known issue with vala-terminal? Nov 17 13:38:28 As there was some with latest vala a while ago Nov 17 13:40:29 Ainulindale: Don't think so. You'd need to ask mickey, though Nov 17 13:40:45 Damn mickey|zzZZzz :-) Nov 17 13:40:54 The one vala issue was fixed, yeah Nov 17 13:41:05 Don't know if new ones surfaced :-) Nov 17 13:41:21 I.e. the issue where the terminal wasn't able to launch its subprocess? Nov 17 13:41:27 (blank terminal, no bash) Nov 17 13:41:35 By the way Nov 17 13:41:35 ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'vala-terminal' Nov 17 13:41:38 Yeah, looks like mickey|zzZZzz is working on his other project at the moment.. Nov 17 13:46:08 i just installed wireshark on shr - works out of http://www.opkg.org :) Nov 17 14:08:03 does any of you run 2008.x with a working settings app? Nov 17 14:08:24 I'm affected by bug 2088 which is seemingly fixed, but I can't find any references to how to solve this. Nov 17 14:08:44 I would be happy to receive some pointers to the right direction Nov 17 14:11:06 stefan_schmidt: can't explain why, but I cleaned and bitbake openmoko-terminal2, and I have the same problem Nov 17 14:11:47 Though now I think I know why Nov 17 14:11:47 NOTE: preferred version 0.1.5 of vala-native not available (for item vala-native) Nov 17 14:12:19 Which version am I supposed to use? Nov 17 14:14:26 mwester-laptop: I'm in the process of regenerating an image, would you try it out? Nov 17 14:14:34 mwester: (double hilight) Nov 17 14:15:47 Hey dolf1074 Nov 17 14:15:49 :) Nov 17 14:15:51 I can do that... Nov 17 14:15:57 Ainulindale: hey all Nov 17 14:16:02 Ainulindale: hmm Nov 17 14:16:04 mwester: I'll keep in touch, and as soon as it's out I'll ping you Nov 17 14:16:12 * stefan_schmidt has his hmm-day today Nov 17 14:16:16 There's a squirrel on my roof... Nov 17 14:16:25 stefan_schmidt: I'll try without the preferred versions Nov 17 14:16:32 and the srcrev for om-terminal2 Nov 17 14:16:49 on my roof there is a jackhammer Nov 17 14:16:59 mwester: you're a nut-casa then :-) Nov 17 14:17:42 mwester: thanks for the great report :-))) Nov 17 14:18:15 Ainulindale: A bitbake vala-native gives me following: NOTE: package vala-native-0.5.1: completed Nov 17 14:18:35 Ainulindale: No idea why you have this ancient version Nov 17 14:19:46 There was some bug a while ago with om-terminal2 Nov 17 14:19:51 What does everybody think of my new mockups of SHR dialer? http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/60 Nov 17 14:20:09 Ainulindale: yeah, we all hope mickey fixed all of it. :) Nov 17 14:22:47 btw. is the echo already fixed in shr? Nov 17 14:23:01 okay, my lesson is done Nov 17 14:23:05 I'm gone :) Nov 17 14:23:07 to home Nov 17 14:23:08 bye Nov 17 14:28:16 stefan_schmidt: latest worked Nov 17 14:28:22 I'll see if it works on the device Nov 17 14:28:34 Ainulindale: ok Nov 17 14:29:30 I have weird issues though with that Nov 17 14:29:31 Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['openzaurus-sa'] Nov 17 14:30:01 Ainulindale: here too. Works anyway. No pressure to fix it. ;) Nov 17 14:30:30 stefan_schmidt: regarding the agenda by the way Nov 17 14:30:36 "*Any chance to sync milestone dates with SHR ones? (Hard due to feature based Nov 17 14:30:39 releases)" Nov 17 14:30:39 We could discuss about that Nov 17 14:30:51 Did you ever thought of intermediary stabilized versions? Nov 17 14:31:11 i.e. a SHR branch? Nov 17 14:31:44 Ainulindale: We have a 2-3 weeks -rc phase for now. :) Nov 17 14:31:48 stefan_schmidt: It's a pity too that I can't attend this kind of meeting Nov 17 14:31:53 Ainulindale: :( Nov 17 14:31:55 I'd really like to meet you guys Nov 17 14:32:18 Ainulindale: .fr ? Nov 17 14:32:21 Yep Nov 17 14:32:33 Ainulindale: Yeah, we should meet some time Nov 17 14:32:37 hmm, not sure if our budget covers a meeting in .fr ;) Nov 17 14:32:54 As long as I know the meeting day in advance I'm open to come to germany Nov 17 14:32:58 hmm, if we can get ~20Eur flight tickets :) Nov 17 14:33:04 It'll be a good occasion to see quickdev Nov 17 14:33:16 Ainulindale: Sure, we can discuss on this Nov 17 14:33:21 After all, SHR is the two guys distribution now :-p Nov 17 14:33:38 I thought about naming MS1 'Double dong' Nov 17 14:33:41 Ainulindale: We normally know the date in advance as we need to plan it in our personal schedules Nov 17 14:33:44 But it might hurt some people Nov 17 14:34:07 Hehe, we could all meet in Frankfurt Nov 17 14:34:15 And I'm quite unhappy by the way, you didn't credit me for the Homework name :-p Nov 17 14:34:18 Where's quickdev located? Nov 17 14:34:25 Ainulindale: We could think about one for next year. Pin a date early so you and qeuickdev can join Nov 17 14:34:31 You'll be thoroughly chastised Nov 17 14:34:47 stefan_schmidt: Any date will suit me as long as I know it in advance Nov 17 14:35:01 Ainulindale: ok, let's keep this in mind Nov 17 14:35:05 Ainulindale: Yeah, I though about crediting, but it would have looked weird in the release notes I think Nov 17 14:35:15 alphaone: indeed ;-) Nov 17 14:35:17 I was joking Nov 17 14:35:21 I don't care Nov 17 14:35:27 Ainulindale: :-) Nov 17 14:35:28 Though now you owe me royalties Nov 17 14:36:16 No, but you can still have my royal gratitude :-) Nov 17 14:36:16 Heh Nov 17 14:36:20 Talking of the devil Nov 17 14:36:29 quickdev: sorry for you but I commited my changes on shr-overlay Nov 17 14:36:30 Ah, that's what dev stands for :-) Nov 17 14:36:31 had to :-) Nov 17 14:36:39 alphaone: meh :-) Nov 17 14:36:43 Ainulindale, great, no problem..thought that one minute ago :) Nov 17 14:36:50 without having a look :) Nov 17 14:36:59 quickdev: currently rebuilding an image Nov 17 14:37:04 quickdev: I also bumped up navit revision Nov 17 14:37:16 quickdev: Are you subscribed to oe-devel? Nov 17 14:37:16 Though we'll need some work on that Nov 17 14:37:22 (he's not) Nov 17 14:37:28 (checked the subscribers this morning) Nov 17 14:37:54 quickdev: we should discuss about the bugfixes to lfp-efl Nov 17 14:38:03 quickdev: and you should check #60 Nov 17 14:38:06 dolf made a pretty good mockup Nov 17 14:38:10 I think he's right Nov 17 14:38:12 I'm subscribing, one moment Nov 17 14:38:26 quickdev: I also bumped up e revision to latest buildable Nov 17 14:38:30 It should fix the font issue Nov 17 14:38:33 (says raster) Nov 17 14:38:36 yeah Nov 17 14:38:40 fine Nov 17 14:38:41 great :) Nov 17 14:38:52 quickdev: Hire also has commit access to shr.git Nov 17 14:38:57 Didn't ask you as you weren't there Nov 17 14:39:02 But I thought you'd agree anyway Nov 17 14:39:06 yes, ack Nov 17 14:39:11 things are going forward, great :) Nov 17 14:39:14 Yep Nov 17 14:39:18 next step, IMHO Nov 17 14:39:25 Is to try and make networkmanager work Nov 17 14:39:32 With a nice UI Nov 17 14:39:40 And to strip down useless stuff from exposure Nov 17 14:39:56 But first, bugfixes on lfp-efl Nov 17 14:40:18 yeah Nov 17 14:40:41 mwester? Nov 17 14:40:48 mwester: I'd like some information from you Nov 17 14:40:52 i.e. latest stable kernel Nov 17 14:41:05 Be it a mwester kernel or a standard kernel Nov 17 14:43:40 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels <-- my opinion Nov 17 14:44:18 if you build the tip of the Openmoko "stable" branch, it will be stable on the GTA01, but it will aggravate the WSoD problem on the GTA02. Nov 17 14:44:43 Hmmm Nov 17 14:44:51 So all in all, what is your advice? Build two different kernels? Nov 17 14:45:00 :( Nov 17 14:45:15 Huh? Nov 17 14:45:56 I don't have a good solution at this time. The GTA01 is easy -- the tip of the Openmoko "stable" branch is good. But the GTA02 is much harder, as the last known stable point is somewhere in the past. Nov 17 14:46:25 So I might as well keep the current kernel Nov 17 14:46:28 (which is from september) Nov 17 14:47:08 If FSO has a way to blank the screen the "old" (non-ioctl) way, then the tip of the Openmoko "stable" branch will work fine for both 01 and 02 devices. Nov 17 14:47:45 mwester: then we might as well modify this way to blank the screen Nov 17 14:48:03 Ainulindale, 30% more power consumption for users that don't use suspend Nov 17 14:48:12 or was it 40%? Nov 17 14:48:13 Yes, significant. Nov 17 14:48:34 Also, not all GTA02's are affected, some seem to be immune to the problem. Nov 17 14:48:51 quickdev: what do you mean 30% more power consumption? using ioctl? Nov 17 14:48:52 user-selected conditional? Nov 17 14:49:28 Ainulindale, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/69 <- what do we do with it? Nov 17 14:49:37 Ainulindale, wihtout using ioctl Nov 17 14:49:58 Damn Nov 17 14:50:21 quickdev: keep it open for now Nov 17 14:50:33 I move it out of MS Nov 17 14:50:37 Ok :-) Nov 17 14:53:33 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=a0171e2c53b13fe3ef4664dda71d2bbe8b0d03f4 Nov 17 14:54:50 Will this suffice for the users that suffer from the WSoD problem on unblank? If so, the tip of the Openmoko "stable" branch will yeild good kernels for both devices, and we keep the speed-ups and efficiency gains that Harald discovered. Nov 17 14:56:34 harald is coming to India ;) yAy! Nov 17 14:57:18 ajuonline: As at least once a year :) Nov 17 14:57:45 lol yes i know he frequents India Nov 17 14:57:51 but i would be meeting for the first time Nov 17 14:58:16 Ainulindale, for me, the most annoying thing is the suspend that cannot be disabled. How do we solve that ? Wait for raster or hacking the settings app? Nov 17 14:59:09 hacking the settings app <-- I prefer this :) Nov 17 14:59:29 stefan_schmidt isn't working on integration of nm into frameworkd? Nov 17 15:00:17 Hire1: well, I fall in hate love with nm on my first try :) Nov 17 15:00:31 Hire1: Networking is my next big task indeed. Nov 17 15:00:46 Hire1: We are thinking more about connman atm. Nov 17 15:00:57 quickdev: wait a moment Nov 17 15:00:59 I'm factorizing the images Nov 17 15:01:48 I'm fed up with these two files Nov 17 15:02:10 I'm making an inc Nov 17 15:02:52 stefan_schmidt: oh, I see :) Nov 17 15:03:59 Hmpf Nov 17 15:04:00 * Cannot find package glibc-binary-localedata-de-de. Nov 17 15:04:03 Etc. Nov 17 15:06:36 quickdev: I'll need your help Nov 17 15:06:41 Just to test the full image Nov 17 15:06:41 tell me Nov 17 15:06:45 I'll test the lite one Nov 17 15:06:51 Or the other way around, as you wish Nov 17 15:06:52 yeah, is it ready? Nov 17 15:06:56 Will be in some minutes Nov 17 15:07:06 Not the rework though Nov 17 15:07:16 I can commit what I did if you want to test it Nov 17 15:07:30 rework means? Nov 17 15:09:22 quickdev: pull Nov 17 15:09:25 quickdev: you'll understand Nov 17 15:09:58 I also properly renamed shr-image-lite in shr-lite-image Nov 17 15:10:10 wow Nov 17 15:10:16 so many updates Nov 17 15:10:20 * Hire1 is a bit scared Nov 17 15:11:41 Seems to work fine here Nov 17 15:11:55 Will tell you in two minutes :-) Nov 17 15:12:10 Ah, the glibc locales are still missing Nov 17 15:12:16 I can't remember how to generate them Nov 17 15:12:24 i don't know yet Nov 17 15:12:34 and navit is still 0.0.4 Nov 17 15:12:38 That's normal Nov 17 15:12:47 Please wait and stop being impatient :-) Nov 17 15:12:57 *sigh* Nov 17 15:12:59 I didn't regenerate package-index yet Nov 17 15:13:17 quickdev: please mind the fact I had to modify OE to get navit to compile Nov 17 15:13:54 Damn I generated a gta01 image =) Nov 17 15:14:48 finished Nov 17 15:14:55 What? Nov 17 15:15:01 to update Nov 17 15:15:23 I didn't regenerate the package Nov 17 15:15:35 You could update as many times as you want Nov 17 15:15:38 It still won't appear Nov 17 15:15:41 i have updated only E packages Nov 17 15:15:56 nono, i am not talking about navit Nov 17 15:16:26 ok, shr is crashed Nov 17 15:16:34 What are you doing? Nov 17 15:16:53 I'm afraid you're currently doing crap :-) Nov 17 15:16:55 weird, fr reboots Nov 17 15:16:58 :/ Nov 17 15:17:03 it isn't so Nov 17 15:17:34 i have launched a simple opkg update && opkg upgrade :\ Nov 17 15:17:53 and it has updated some E packages Nov 17 15:19:05 What did you not understand in "stop being impatient" ? :-) Nov 17 15:19:39 bla bla bla :/ Nov 17 15:19:45 Heh :-) Nov 17 15:19:48 ok, I brought up the fontconfig tweak on oe-devel. Let's see if that can be fixed there. Nov 17 15:20:09 stefan_schmidt: We're already using it, here Nov 17 15:20:14 It works quite well Nov 17 15:21:59 Ainulindale: yeah, let's get this up into OE :) Nov 17 15:29:12 Hire: package-index is here, update again Nov 17 15:29:30 sure Nov 17 15:30:29 Hmmm I think I borked the image :-) Nov 17 15:30:41 urray :D Nov 17 15:31:01 tsk tsk... Nov 17 15:31:07 Ah, no, it's generating Nov 17 15:31:16 Though it might fail later on Nov 17 15:31:34 I'll see Nov 17 15:33:11 uhm Nov 17 15:33:27 I see a nice speedup with ELF Nov 17 15:35:00 damn connection Nov 17 15:35:22 Ainulindale, image ready? Nov 17 15:36:12 Nope =) Nov 17 15:39:18 quickdev: regenerating it as we speak Nov 17 15:39:38 mwester: the shr-lite-image for gta01 is there Nov 17 15:39:44 Totally untested Nov 17 15:39:51 well Nov 17 15:39:59 it works nice Nov 17 15:40:12 With update/upgrade Hire ? Nov 17 15:40:18 yeah Nov 17 15:40:29 Hire: I'll do the navit bit later on Nov 17 15:40:43 Don't worry I'll do it :-) Nov 17 15:41:14 contacts works Nov 17 15:41:26 dialer works but i can't hear any sounds Nov 17 15:41:41 Hmmm Nov 17 15:41:52 messages works but i can't read sms Nov 17 15:41:59 can't means nothing to me Nov 17 15:42:07 Would you please be specific? Nov 17 15:42:22 i noticed a BIG improvement as speed with the lastest E updates Nov 17 15:42:30 sure Nov 17 15:43:12 I open dialer, I do 4916 that usually says to me how many euro I have into my sim Nov 17 15:43:24 That I understood Nov 17 15:43:25 but... I can't hear the bot's voice Nov 17 15:43:29 The messages part I didn't Nov 17 15:43:38 ah ops :D Nov 17 15:43:41 Hire: would you please pastebin frameworkd.log? Nov 17 15:44:14 yeah Nov 17 15:44:36 messages when I do "show" on a sms Nov 17 15:44:43 I can't read the text :) Nov 17 15:44:53 what does that mean? Nov 17 15:45:03 i get only info about who ( the number ), date and status Nov 17 15:45:15 The message text isn't there? Nov 17 15:45:22 Please do a screenshot and pastebin the logs Nov 17 15:45:24 no, i don't get the text :) Nov 17 15:49:01 http://pastebin.com/m7d1e4e92 Nov 17 15:49:15 2008.11.18 15:40:55 odeviced.audio ERROR    can't set alsa scenario from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state <-- audio Nov 17 15:49:24 This isn't the full log Nov 17 15:49:38 Though yes, there's an error with the sound scenario Nov 17 15:50:03 alphaone, stefan_schmidt : heard about that? Nov 17 15:50:38 i know it Nov 17 15:50:42 i cat it Nov 17 15:51:06 now I will give you the full log Nov 17 15:51:12 quickdev: could you please commit an updated version of the E configuration? Nov 17 15:51:16 ( i hate my work :D ) Nov 17 15:51:20 quickdev: with the gsm applet Nov 17 15:51:34 Ainulindale: hmm, not yet Nov 17 15:52:12 Hire: here I have sound Nov 17 15:52:25 http://pastebin.com/m546e6456 Nov 17 15:52:33 here the full log Nov 17 15:52:35 good job shr guys ;) i see a lot of upgraded packages ;) Nov 17 15:52:55 quickdev: failure here Nov 17 15:53:04 oh, no Nov 17 15:53:07 Just some time to wait Nov 17 15:53:12 Ainulindale, I have alreayd done that a week ago? gsm applet disabled....not? Nov 17 15:53:13 mmm Nov 17 15:53:18 Though I received a SMS and didn't get the window Nov 17 15:53:20 quickdev: I'll check that Nov 17 15:53:52 ehi Nov 17 15:55:02 Ah, messages crashed Nov 17 15:55:22 argh Nov 17 15:55:26 me too Nov 17 15:55:48 Failed to handle dbus error: type: Nov 17 15:56:04 ophonekitd crashed with no messages Nov 17 15:56:57 hello guys Nov 17 15:57:06 hello dolf1074 Nov 17 15:57:41 quickdev: still didn't fix the \n thing :-) Nov 17 15:57:50 I haven't got an answer a little while ago, but is the echo bug supposed to be solved? Nov 17 15:58:01 dolf1074: yes Nov 17 15:58:12 I still got him Nov 17 15:58:40 dolf1074: could you try to opkg update/upgrade ? Nov 17 15:58:44 I upgraded a bunch of packages today Nov 17 15:59:14 ah ok. I did one today but without new packages. (probably to early :)) Nov 17 15:59:28 But I will update and report Nov 17 16:03:29 Damn thing, can't use cli-frameworkd properly today Nov 17 16:03:57 Ainulindale: btw. Where do you need the most extra manpower in SHR? So if I can find myself some time, where could I best help? Nov 17 16:04:05 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m1edaee97 a new log with DEBUG enabled Nov 17 16:04:06 dolf1074: oh mostly everywhere Nov 17 16:04:25 dolf1074: but if you could adapt your mockups to quickdev's code I'd be glad Nov 17 16:04:47 Ainulindale: I can adapt it, if you want Nov 17 16:04:48 Hire: Ok, good Nov 17 16:04:51 And for messages? Nov 17 16:04:58 Do it if you feel comfortable with it Hire Nov 17 16:05:02 see the log :) Nov 17 16:05:18 and I don't know... i find it a bit black Nov 17 16:05:19 Yes, what about them? Nov 17 16:05:29 dolf1074: I also need someone for the settings app Nov 17 16:06:16 and is it a settings app like the one in om? or like the one in Illume? or both? Nov 17 16:06:32 Right now we forked exposure Nov 17 16:06:38 (the OM settings app) Nov 17 16:06:39 om-settings Nov 17 16:06:40 It's python Nov 17 16:07:00 dolf1074: i find your mockup nice but it's a bit ... dark :) Nov 17 16:07:09 I have a new mockup Nov 17 16:07:11 i prefer grey Nov 17 16:07:27 if I can see them I can play with edje :) Nov 17 16:07:31 http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr/dialer.jpg Nov 17 16:07:36 Ainulindale: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b046f6eea7ffc25c4389adc4032524be.png Nov 17 16:07:37 http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr/dialer_open.jpg Nov 17 16:07:58 Either way, the color is of no improtance Nov 17 16:08:01 WOW Nov 17 16:08:01 s/pro/por/ Nov 17 16:08:08 The look & feel is Nov 17 16:08:17 quickdev? Nov 17 16:08:22 yeah? Nov 17 16:08:33 quickdev: could you have a look at \n? Nov 17 16:08:37 nice, very nice... but i prefer the buttons a bit more big :) Nov 17 16:08:40 I'm sure it's easy :-) Nov 17 16:08:52 Ainulindale, I know how to fix it but I'm waiting for my bitbake to finish my build environment Nov 17 16:09:05 Hire: could you try to find the messages using mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Devi Nov 17 16:09:09 ce org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook "all" Nov 17 16:09:10 And paste me the result? Nov 17 16:09:11 quickdev: ok :-) Nov 17 16:09:15 sure Nov 17 16:09:42 quickdev: latest upgrade seems good, I'll try the lite image as soon as it hits the buildhost Nov 17 16:09:55 Hire: the buttons are like the home-screen. You have an icon, but you the button itself is a little bit bigger Nov 17 16:10:07 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m6b61de6f Nov 17 16:10:27 quickdev: issue here Nov 17 16:10:38 where exaclty? :) Nov 17 16:10:41 quickdev: message isn't appearing for hire Nov 17 16:10:45 ahh i get it dolf1074 Nov 17 16:10:46 see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b046f6eea7ffc25c4389adc4032524be.png Nov 17 16:10:50 and http://pastebin.com/m6b61de6f Nov 17 16:11:03 i have linked a full log Nov 17 16:11:05 does the shell say something? Nov 17 16:11:11 quickdev: pastebin is Nov 17 16:11:22 (or do you mean DISPLAY=":0" openmoko-messages ?) Nov 17 16:11:26 yes Nov 17 16:11:32 dolf1074: thx, you have give me a nice idea :) Nov 17 16:11:32 run from shell Nov 17 16:11:32 (I have to go for a while) Nov 17 16:11:43 Hire: you're welcome ;) Nov 17 16:12:43 i see if I can implement your idea this night Nov 17 16:12:54 nice ;) Nov 17 16:12:55 btw, you can do a mockup for an incoming call? Nov 17 16:13:00 yes Nov 17 16:13:36 Here I'm going to struggle again with GIMP :p Nov 17 16:14:29 Ainulindale: few packages have md5sum mismatch Nov 17 16:15:04 dolf1074, if you want to develop something..let's talk about it :) Nov 17 16:16:18 quickdev: okay, but I'm first gonna set up my environment (bitbake) and try to do a simple change. Because I still struggle with that :( Nov 17 16:17:19 it isn't funny? :) Nov 17 16:17:31 dolf1074, yeah, first thing to do :) Nov 17 16:18:21 soltys: yes they're being regenerated Nov 17 16:20:03 Ainulindale: okey so I wait untill they regenerate ;) Nov 17 16:23:28 it'll be quick Nov 17 16:26:10 Currently compiling the kernel Nov 17 16:36:51 quickdev: seems my hack for the image is going well :-) Nov 17 16:37:28 great :) Nov 17 16:37:35 tell me when it'S ready Nov 17 16:37:39 It's compiling hal Nov 17 16:37:52 quickdev: please have a look at what I did, just in case you have another idea Nov 17 16:38:08 remind me later...something to do atm :) Nov 17 16:38:39 Ok then Nov 17 16:42:27 Just received a SMS :-) Nov 17 16:42:41 It's working well Nov 17 16:42:54 mmm Nov 17 16:43:21 mwester: did you try latest lite image for gta01? Nov 17 16:47:13 Hire: the mockups for an incoming call (and an active call), see http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr/ Nov 17 16:47:44 uhm Nov 17 16:48:02 i prefer to use all the display :D Nov 17 16:48:06 as iphone does Nov 17 16:48:30 http://www.econectados.com/wp-content/uploads/iphone-call.png <-- a thing like this Nov 17 16:48:55 hmm, yeah Nov 17 16:48:58 maybe Nov 17 16:50:05 It's probably better, because there is now space unused. Will have to rethink my mockups Nov 17 16:51:04 :D Nov 17 17:04:25 Is anyone experiencing problems building ophonekitd? Nov 17 17:05:01 Nope Nov 17 17:05:07 soltys: you should update the makefile Nov 17 17:05:17 I modified it heavily Nov 17 17:06:46 I get a No such file or directory error, see here: http://rafb.net/p/shhtTf25.html Nov 17 17:07:33 Yeah I know that Nov 17 17:07:38 redownload the makefile Nov 17 17:07:48 then rm -rf shr in the root directory where there's a shr-testing directory Nov 17 17:07:53 then make setup-shr Nov 17 17:08:08 quickdev: I also have some messages without text Nov 17 17:08:24 i am not alone :D Nov 17 17:08:44 Ainulindale: So rebuild from the start? *sigh* Nov 17 17:08:51 soken: not at all Nov 17 17:09:01 just remove the shr sources directory Nov 17 17:09:13 quickdev: and now messages crashes Nov 17 17:09:41 Ainulindale: sorry, I read a little wrong... Nov 17 17:14:52 Ainulindale, I need logs.. Nov 17 17:15:16 Hire: I've made a new mockup. (incoming2.jpg and incoming2_open.jpg, http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr/) Nov 17 17:16:43 now it is better Nov 17 17:16:50 quickdev: Are you sure about that? :-) Nov 17 17:17:13 but why you don't put the timestamp of the incoming call? Nov 17 17:17:17 into it Nov 17 17:17:25 hi Nov 17 17:17:26 Ainulindale, huh? of course? :) Nov 17 17:17:29 quickdev: no ophonekitd, no ophonekitd interesting logs either Nov 17 17:17:32 timestamp? Nov 17 17:17:35 yeah Nov 17 17:17:39 Ainulindale, gdb..? Nov 17 17:17:40 quickdev: either killing the window killed ophonekitd Nov 17 17:17:44 Or something went wrong Nov 17 17:17:48 Do you mean the date/time when they begin to call? Nov 17 17:17:52 quickdev: I can't do that now :-) Nov 17 17:18:26 Ah, found it Nov 17 17:18:28 It's a frameworkd issue Nov 17 17:18:29 alphaone: Nov 17 17:18:36 And a known one at that Nov 17 17:18:49 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/69 <= Nov 17 17:19:21 dolf1074: yes and the lenght of time of the call Nov 17 17:19:33 length of time of call is already inserted Nov 17 17:19:43 that's the 12sec Nov 17 17:19:57 quickdev: by the way Nov 17 17:20:07 You introduced a bug with PIN or frameworkd changed something Nov 17 17:20:09 i will do it a bit bigger :D Nov 17 17:20:11 Not that much a bug though Nov 17 17:20:16 It asks f or pin everytime I restart ophonekitd now Nov 17 17:21:03 Ainulindale, of course it asks for pin eveytime on ophonekitd's startup. Because GSM is released and re-requested :) Nov 17 17:21:06 Hire, If you take the call I should do the date/time of the call with the seconds busy (And then it is important) Nov 17 17:21:12 quickdev: but gsm0710muxd isn't Nov 17 17:21:17 So SIM is ready Nov 17 17:21:22 (IIRC) Nov 17 17:21:23 but that's not that important on an incoming call Nov 17 17:21:32 gsm0710 is restarted, too Nov 17 17:21:41 Are you sure about that? Nov 17 17:21:42 Ainulindale: are you still here? Sweet. Nov 17 17:21:51 Indeed, I'm here all the time :-) Nov 17 17:22:03 Ainulindale: I'm home now so where can I download the latest shr for the neo1973? Nov 17 17:22:16 Ainulindale, yeah, pretty sure. There was a thread on the mailing list about completely disable gsm and someone said: "Just let it release. gsmmuxd will be stopped, too." Nov 17 17:22:17 Ainulindale: and how do I get it to capture the logs you need Nov 17 17:22:23 quickdev: ok then :-) Nov 17 17:22:26 Ainulindale: is the echo supression included into shr? Nov 17 17:22:45 polz: I regenerated an image, it's supposed to be available here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ Nov 17 17:22:46 BluesLee: yes Nov 17 17:22:49 oh, and is the echo suppression supposed to work on the neo 1973? Nov 17 17:22:58 Though as I don't have a gta01 I wasn't able to test it Nov 17 17:23:02 BluesLee: yes Nov 17 17:23:10 i wondered as my girlfriend said nothing:-) Nov 17 17:23:13 polz: as of the logs, /tmp/ophonekitd.log and /tmp/frameworkd.log Nov 17 17:23:22 alphaone: using mdbus gives the same result by the way Nov 17 17:23:26 (i.e. ud error) Nov 17 17:23:27 nothing bad about my neo Nov 17 17:23:30 Hire: the mockup of an active call will come tonight (over a few hours) and I will do more polishing on the incoming. (In about 40min I have to be somewhere and I have to eat ;)) Nov 17 17:24:19 Ainulindale and quickdev: i have some issues here in daily use, will come back to you later Nov 17 17:24:53 BluesLee: please mail the ML about that then Nov 17 17:24:58 It'll be easier on/for us Nov 17 17:28:08 dolf1074: nice Nov 17 17:32:24 soken: please keep me up to date regarding your issue Nov 17 17:34:07 Ainulindale: btw, what's the advantage of SHR when compared to FSO supposed to be? Nov 17 17:34:50 polz: well, FSO is, IIRC, supposed to be a demo distro for frameworkd Nov 17 17:34:53 At least zhone is a demo app Nov 17 17:35:04 SHR intends to build "real" apps for the day to day usage Nov 17 17:35:19 And it's something built for and by the community Nov 17 17:35:31 (even if FSO is something similar :-) ) Nov 17 17:35:52 so basically the advantage is that zhone will someday be replaced by something less basc? :) Nov 17 17:35:55 basIc Nov 17 17:36:10 is the SHR version of illume a special SHR thing or did the other distros just not jet upgrade to this layout? Nov 17 17:36:35 They didn't Nov 17 17:36:40 polz: we don't use zhone Nov 17 17:36:45 We already built something less basic Nov 17 17:36:52 Ainulindale: is the SHR SMS app supposed to work ? Nov 17 17:36:55 DPThought: The illume version of SHR is the newest illume version Nov 17 17:37:00 polz: right now there's a frameworkd bug Nov 17 17:37:09 polz: just so you know Nov 17 17:37:17 DPThought: while the illume version of OM is adapted by OM for their special needs Nov 17 17:37:26 the real "goal" of SHR is to give the user the opportunity to use this or that UI, of his choice, based on frameworkd Nov 17 17:37:30 and not the newest Nov 17 17:37:33 Ainulindale: the dialer in the last image didn't seem to have any additional functionality when compared to zhone Nov 17 17:37:49 polz: what would you need in terms of "additional functionnality" ? Nov 17 17:38:11 oh, I don't know, saving the last X sent/received calls Nov 17 17:38:21 That won't be done as long as opimd isn't in frameworkd Nov 17 17:38:26 you know, the bells and whistles noone here expects from their phone ;) Nov 17 17:38:33 polz: I know, I need that too Nov 17 17:38:37 But I don't want to reinvent the wheel Nov 17 17:38:45 when is that supposed to happen? Nov 17 17:38:46 When (and that'll be quick) opimd will be available Nov 17 17:38:49 We'll integrate it Nov 17 17:38:52 MS5 IIRC Nov 17 17:39:00 stefan_schmidt, alphaone: any comments on that? Nov 17 17:39:11 that would be... in about 2 months?? Nov 17 17:39:23 Heh Nov 17 17:39:33 That could be sooner than that Nov 17 17:39:42 Please don't think it's that easy :-) Nov 17 17:39:50 And than we will gonna party with nice things, while FSO will probably abandone zhone, because they have to investigate to much resources in a test app Nov 17 17:39:57 let's hope so. The last FSO has made me all excited about my phone again Nov 17 17:40:08 is opimd the plan[tm]? I had the feeling it would be more wise to stick with the old evolution design. Nov 17 17:40:22 I can ensure you it isn't Nov 17 17:40:27 It's slow, deadly slow Nov 17 17:40:31 and with the upcoming firmware release, I'm actually starting to hope that someday I might get a properly functioning phone Nov 17 17:40:36 And not that functional Nov 17 17:42:22 DPThought: Though, if you're interested in making that available Nov 17 17:42:27 I'll welcome it with open arms :-) Nov 17 17:43:03 Ainulindale: i had the feeling that the ohand pim stuff was already working Nov 17 17:43:11 Ainulindale: where can I find the opimd documentation? Nov 17 17:43:22 polz: There's no doc, no real doc IIRC Nov 17 17:43:37 And there's currently no relation between the other susbsytems and opimd Nov 17 17:43:52 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=tree;f=html;h=86603b97fb8a5f67f41d218f7474ae5560869480;hb=HEAD <= Nov 17 17:44:36 Damn bitbake, why is it so slow Nov 17 17:44:53 probably stupid, but my mind just wandered of to fefes tiny ldap... Nov 17 17:44:57 *g* Nov 17 17:45:09 "of to fefes" ? Nov 17 17:45:28 http://www.fefe.de/tinyldap/ Nov 17 17:45:42 Ainulindale: the stuff there doesn't seem to make sense. Nov 17 17:45:51 polz: That's because there's no doc yet :-) Nov 17 17:46:47 but i know, storing the data is not the issue. And ldap does not much more Nov 17 17:46:58 Yep, the issue is the other stuff Nov 17 17:47:06 Ainulindale: so if there's no way to access the past few calls or the contacts, what is the advantage of SHR supposed to be? Nov 17 17:47:31 polz: Why would the missed call feature be the only useful feature? Nov 17 17:47:53 SHR is built upon this architecture : http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/SHR_Architecture Nov 17 17:47:59 Which gives it a great modularity (in principle) Nov 17 17:48:03 Ainulindale: when it comes to the GUI, I can't think of anything else Zhone is missing. Nov 17 17:48:05 And it's a community project Nov 17 17:48:11 That's the main purpose and avantage Nov 17 17:48:29 If you don't think a community project has an advantage upon any other project, then don't try SHR =) Nov 17 17:48:29 Ainulindale: I thought zhone was the same in that respect Nov 17 17:48:34 polz: not at all Nov 17 17:48:46 zhone is simply a demo app Nov 17 17:49:01 And it's python, which is, according to mickey|zzZZzz, dead slow :-p Nov 17 17:49:34 I thought it was still fast enough and that the perception of slowness was due to the backend Nov 17 17:49:43 I was just being sarcastic Nov 17 17:49:51 Either way, zhone isn't modular Nov 17 17:49:54 ah, well, we'll see in a few moments, my phone is booting into shr already Nov 17 17:49:58 btw regarding PIM. I like to remind you (the person coding it) about my thughts on number cannonification http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/InternationalNumbers Nov 17 17:50:02 polz: to me, the purpose, in the end Nov 17 17:50:11 Is to allow the user to use 2007.2 interface with frameworkd, for example Nov 17 17:50:15 or 2008.9 Nov 17 17:50:19 Or any other UI library available Nov 17 17:50:23 Regardless of the toolkit Nov 17 17:50:28 This is merely an example Nov 17 17:50:32 The fact that it 's a community project Nov 17 17:50:40 And that it allows OM developers and FSO developers to do other stuff Nov 17 17:50:45 This fact speaks by itself Nov 17 17:51:00 international numbers where so wrong in 2007.2 that I felled compelled to gibe my 2 cents Nov 17 17:51:01 Ainulindale: I thought the GUI part of that was trivial and shouldn't take more than a week of coding to accomplish Nov 17 17:51:13 polz: you're sadly mistaken :-) Nov 17 17:51:13 Ainulindale: It failed again, is it supposed to use the .bb-files from shr-testing/shr/openembedded? Nov 17 17:51:26 soken: yes Nov 17 17:51:33 it there any other directory in shr-testing/shr ? Nov 17 17:51:46 Ainulindale: isn't the backend the part that's problematic? And figuring out some set of sane APIs? Nov 17 17:51:50 if there isn't, try cd shr-testing/shr && git pull Nov 17 17:52:00 polz: that has been done, and is being done by the FSO team Nov 17 17:52:12 Ainulindale: Nope, nothing else Nov 17 17:52:17 It still implies that somebody has to develop an UI Nov 17 17:52:32 soken: then try the pull please, and give me the error you have if there's any Nov 17 17:53:24 Ainulindale: I get no error, already up-to-date Nov 17 17:53:28 polz: if what you're looking for is a distribution which allows you some sort of control about its future Nov 17 17:53:35 polz: then SHR seems to be the way, IMHO Nov 17 17:53:42 soken: then bitbake ophonekitd -c clean Nov 17 17:53:45 then bitbake ophonekitd Nov 17 17:53:51 (in shr-testing, after . setup-env) Nov 17 17:54:26 Ainulindale: I thought the zhone developer/s would be more than happy to accept patches. I guess I was mistaken. Nov 17 17:54:49 polz: That is not the point Nov 17 17:54:51 They accept patches Nov 17 17:54:55 I even patched it myself Nov 17 17:54:56 the point is Nov 17 17:55:03 Ainulindale: still the same Nov 17 17:55:04 zhone isn't meant to be a full telephony app Nov 17 17:55:06 it's a demo app Nov 17 17:55:17 soken: that is to say ? Nov 17 17:55:23 (full pastebin from bitbake ophonekitd to the error please) Nov 17 17:56:11 Ainulindale: ophonekitd fails, it cannot compile the .d files that don't exists Nov 17 17:56:15 Ainulindale: OK, calling a turned-off phone doesn't work. Nov 17 17:56:23 Please give me the log soken Nov 17 17:56:31 polz: what do you mean? Nov 17 17:56:32 Ainulindale: it says "call active" but there's no busy signal. Nov 17 17:56:48 polz: please pastebin /tmp/frameworkd.log Nov 17 17:56:55 We're utterly dependant of frameworkd Nov 17 17:56:57 If it fails, we'll fail Nov 17 17:57:07 Ainulindale: I have the neo and another phone. If the other phone is turned off, I should get a "busy" or "unavailable" signal. I don't. Nov 17 17:57:08 (damn bitbake shr-image, why are you taking so long?) Nov 17 17:57:27 Ainulindale: FSO works for me here, so I don't think that's the problem. Nov 17 17:57:43 Ainulindale: the problem might lie in the alsa states... Nov 17 17:57:49 polz: please trust me, I know what I'm talking about =) Nov 17 17:57:51 So please give me the logs Nov 17 17:57:57 just let me make another call, with the second phone on :) Nov 17 17:58:01 I did see a alsa scenarii problem there Nov 17 17:58:05 oooohhh ... you guys fixed the small numbers/letters issue :) Nov 17 17:58:06 Ainulindale: package build log: http://rafb.net/p/QcEEhE77.html Nov 17 17:58:10 I just want to see why it's there Nov 17 17:58:18 Hire: you had the no sound problem right? Nov 17 17:58:21 OK, now the app crashed, lemme fetch the logs. Nov 17 17:58:31 soken: full log, from the start Nov 17 17:58:39 polz: /tmp/ophonekitd.log and /tmp/frameworkd.log Nov 17 17:59:11 quickdev: please Nov 17 17:59:13 Help :-) Nov 17 17:59:47 Ainulindale, just helping seeseekey to solve an issue :) frameworkd's timeout probably too low Nov 17 18:00:11 alphaone: did you commit for the ud issue in SMS? Nov 17 18:00:21 (Didn't see a commit, this is a rhetoric question) Nov 17 18:00:36 (I'm juggling with too many people here) Nov 17 18:01:13 Ainulindale: bitbake output: http://rafb.net/p/PFQxn780.html, the packagelog is complete Nov 17 18:01:37 soken: bitbake didn't do setscene Nov 17 18:01:46 Please redo a bibtake ophonekitd -c clean Nov 17 18:01:49 Ainulindale: OK, issuing "reboot" over ssh just kills dropbear but the phone remains on. Nov 17 18:01:51 and if you want to be sure it didn't fail Nov 17 18:02:20 just do a rm shr-testing/tmp/stamps/armv4/ophonekitd* Nov 17 18:02:28 polz: nohup reboot Nov 17 18:02:43 OK, cancel that, it just took about a minute to reboot, with 0 feedback Nov 17 18:02:52 It is possible to add midnight commander to the shr repo? Nov 17 18:03:11 seeseekey: I'll add it as soon as the image gets compiled Nov 17 18:03:25 Though it's taking much longer than what I expected Nov 17 18:03:35 Can't understand why Nov 17 18:05:09 (We need more people for SHR) Nov 17 18:05:17 (I'm overwhelmed by mails, questions, and such) Nov 17 18:05:34 seeseekey: mc is compiling, didn't bother to wait for the image generation Nov 17 18:06:04 Ainulindale: for that we have to release the first ms :) Nov 17 18:06:10 of shr Nov 17 18:06:13 Indeed Nov 17 18:06:25 But I won't release until I can qualify our work "stsable" Nov 17 18:06:26 -s Nov 17 18:07:16 Ainulindale: still the same problem Nov 17 18:07:28 with the same log? Nov 17 18:07:45 yes Nov 17 18:07:50 same compile log too? Nov 17 18:08:51 Well, there are a few more steps: http://rafb.net/p/BdpyZm56.html Nov 17 18:09:13 And what about the compile log? Nov 17 18:09:51 I think it's the same, but I'll repost it Nov 17 18:09:53 (currently trying to compile it myself) Nov 17 18:10:36 Ok, here: http://rafb.net/p/zzWm5T55.html Nov 17 18:10:37 Ainulindale: how am I supposed to hang up the call once it's been established? Nov 17 18:10:51 polz: you don't have a release button then Nov 17 18:10:58 polz: that's another known issue of latest frameworkd Nov 17 18:11:01 no outgoing signal Nov 17 18:11:04 hence the Ui can't pick up the signal Nov 17 18:11:05 heh Nov 17 18:11:08 it's pretty much random Nov 17 18:11:32 why can't you just use the lastest "stable" framework? Nov 17 18:11:33 seeseekey: mc is here Nov 17 18:11:40 polz: and what do you think we use? :-) Nov 17 18:11:50 polz: did you opkg update/upgrade by the way? Nov 17 18:12:10 soken: currently trying to do the same here Nov 17 18:12:19 well, I haven't noticed anything like this with the latest FSO snapshot Nov 17 18:12:28 nope, should I? Nov 17 18:12:44 polz: try to Nov 17 18:13:15 polz: maybe FSO doesn't use outgoing as a signal to display the window Nov 17 18:13:15 we do Nov 17 18:13:19 Because we intended it that way Nov 17 18:15:25 well, opkg upgrade doesn't do anything Nov 17 18:15:36 You flashed the latest image? Nov 17 18:15:43 (1117 ?) Nov 17 18:16:36 polz: sorry if I'm slow to answer by the way, I'm currently working to earn some money :-p Nov 17 18:16:43 yep, like you told me to. Nov 17 18:16:48 Ok then Nov 17 18:16:56 polz: what I'd suggest is Nov 17 18:16:59 change frameworkd to full debug Nov 17 18:17:02 and try to reproduce that Nov 17 18:17:06 hmm, the phone also doesn't react on incoming calls Nov 17 18:17:11 you'll see in the log that there's no outgoing signal Nov 17 18:17:14 Ah, that is another problem Nov 17 18:17:27 and in that case it might be that ophonekitd crashed Nov 17 18:17:38 Why do people have so many problems whereas 90% of the users don't :-) Nov 17 18:17:50 This is the same hardware for god sake Nov 17 18:17:58 polz: Still, please do the following Nov 17 18:18:00 root@om-gta01 ~ $ ps xaf | grep ophone Nov 17 18:18:01 edit /etc/frameworkd.conf Nov 17 18:18:01 1243 pts/3 S+ 0:00 \_ grep ophone Nov 17 18:18:02 fragile Nov 17 18:18:07 heh, I think you're right Nov 17 18:18:09 change log_level = INFO to log_level = DEBUG Nov 17 18:18:14 Then restart frameworkd Nov 17 18:18:21 After that, do DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& Nov 17 18:18:31 And try again to call you as soon as it gets registered Nov 17 18:18:36 +rself Nov 17 18:18:50 root@om-gta01 ~ $ /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart Nov 17 18:18:56 is this supposed to be enough? Nov 17 18:19:04 yep Nov 17 18:19:19 (ophonekitd is started by XSession by the way) Nov 17 18:19:24 Ainulindale: Okay. Nov 17 18:19:28 (just so you know why there's no init script right now) Nov 17 18:19:47 huh? Why?? Nov 17 18:20:14 Because it has been done that way a while ago, and we didn't bother to change that Nov 17 18:20:18 Because it uses X too =) Nov 17 18:21:23 soken: it compiles well here Nov 17 18:21:33 soken: could you please show me your local.conf ? Nov 17 18:22:43 Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/iRYhaC64.html Nov 17 18:23:11 maybe I don't know what ophoned is supposed to do. I thought it was only supposed to talk to the GSM :/ Nov 17 18:23:18 what does it need X for? Nov 17 18:24:37 polz: I gave you an architecture diagram an hour ago Nov 17 18:24:42 ophonekitd doesn't handle the GSM at all Nov 17 18:24:48 it talks with frameworkd to handle the events Nov 17 18:24:55 by the way polz Nov 17 18:24:57 I checked zhone Nov 17 18:25:00 OK, now, dialer crashes consistently Nov 17 18:25:05 It waits for active and not outgoing Nov 17 18:25:10 Err in fact it waits for both Nov 17 18:25:14 hmmm, I just did an opkg update & upgrade and graphic rendering seems a little off :/ Nov 17 18:25:27 should I perhaps have reflashed instead of upgrading ? Nov 17 18:25:31 No Nov 17 18:25:44 Some stuff didn't get regenerated properly, it's still going on Nov 17 18:25:46 (xorg) Nov 17 18:25:47 Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist Nov 17 18:25:54 Ah, this one is known polz Nov 17 18:25:54 and ophoned crashes. Nov 17 18:26:08 That's because there's no abstract device for bat for GTA01 Nov 17 18:26:21 polz: edit frameworkd.conf and in [odeviced] put suspend=0 Nov 17 18:26:29 it won't ask for power status if frameworkd doesn't send the power signal Nov 17 18:26:33 that doesn't mean you won't be able to suspend Nov 17 18:26:33 Ainulindale: ah, ok ... as long as it's known (sorry, didnt bother reading through irc logs ... too much activity) Nov 17 18:26:56 soken: well, please put shr-autorev first in the list of the require Nov 17 18:27:02 Though here, it shouldn't fail Nov 17 18:27:03 i'll leave you to it ... seems you have your hands full Nov 17 18:27:09 good luck =] Nov 17 18:27:12 soken: could you please give me your shr.bbclass file? Nov 17 18:27:22 OK, this time, the call went through fine. Nov 17 18:27:32 soken: shr/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass) Nov 17 18:27:39 polz: in the case of the GTA01 Nov 17 18:27:44 Ainulindale: even if I press the power button? Nov 17 18:27:46 IF frameworkd triggers suspend Nov 17 18:27:48 There *is* an abstract bat device in the GTA01 now. Nov 17 18:27:51 the suspend signal Nov 17 18:27:59 mwester: not in stabilization/ms4 then Nov 17 18:28:03 I was saying Nov 17 18:28:07 If frameworkd triggers a suspend signal Nov 17 18:28:08 furester: sorry, was working whole day long :( Nov 17 18:28:09 Yeah, old kernels.... :p Nov 17 18:28:13 ophonekitd tries to see if there's an active call Nov 17 18:28:20 is your libframeworkd-phonegui problem solved? Nov 17 18:28:27 If not, it tries to see if it's charging Nov 17 18:28:37 And that's where it fails for GTA01 Nov 17 18:28:57 mwester: do you know if I could set two different kernel revisions using bitbake ? (GTA01/GTA02) Nov 17 18:29:02 I guess I can, just don't know how Nov 17 18:29:03 Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/ADPvNb50.html Nov 17 18:29:38 soken: this looks right to me, I can't understand why it works here and doesn't work for you Nov 17 18:31:04 Ainulindale: I'm trying moving the shr-autorev to the top of the list, and we'll see what that gives Nov 17 18:31:23 mrmoku, i update my sources few minutes ago Nov 17 18:31:26 soken: it won't do a thing, IMHO Nov 17 18:31:28 That's just for efl Nov 17 18:31:29 and rerun make Nov 17 18:31:41 so i don't know if that problem is solved or not Nov 17 18:31:51 furester: here the sources are compiling without a hitch Nov 17 18:31:52 it's now working on ecore-native Nov 17 18:31:58 (from scratch) Nov 17 18:32:01 will know in two or three days I guess ;) Nov 17 18:32:23 Ainulindale, there is any dependencies list with version number of packages? Nov 17 18:32:31 furester: what do you mean? Nov 17 18:32:46 Ainulindale: OK, everything seems to be working now. Nov 17 18:33:05 Ainulindale: maybe it might be a good idea to add that option to the config in the image Nov 17 18:33:11 for example: which version of python and which one of gcc .. Nov 17 18:33:18 polz: I would like to use latest kernel for gta01 Nov 17 18:33:24 with python 2.6 we get some warning Nov 17 18:33:25 But I'd have to see how to do that =) Nov 17 18:33:33 furester: for bitbake? Nov 17 18:33:36 Or on the host? Nov 17 18:34:18 Ainulindale: well, I'm using your uImage, I think. Nov 17 18:34:28 polz: yep, but fact is as told mwester Nov 17 18:34:37 WIth our uImage, for GTA01, you won't have bat Nov 17 18:34:47 It's just plain stupid :-/ Nov 17 18:35:17 warning for bitbake Nov 17 18:35:37 furester: that doesn't matter Nov 17 18:35:49 (damn this image generation is far too long) Nov 17 18:35:56 (I don't know what is talking so long but it sounds weird) Nov 17 18:35:58 s/talk/tak/ Nov 17 18:36:33 i listen about three days of compilation Nov 17 18:36:47 Ainulindale: oh, right, sorry, I was looking at the phone and missed your conversation :) Nov 17 18:37:12 Ok that's xorg failing to be packaged Nov 17 18:37:47 alphaone, here? Nov 17 18:38:59 btw, lately, for some reason, my phone has started freezing in the splash screen Nov 17 18:39:12 does anyone have any ideas why that might be? Nov 17 18:39:21 polz: would you please give us good news? :-) Nov 17 18:39:26 I've already tried re-flashing uboot Nov 17 18:39:37 stefan_schmidt: hilight Nov 17 18:39:47 I forgot to add libpng as a dependency of numptyphysics Nov 17 18:39:49 Ainulindale: this is better than what I've grown used to. Nov 17 18:39:50 RDEPENDS Nov 17 18:39:59 polz: 'this', i.e. SHR? Nov 17 18:40:19 Ainulindale: It didn't do a thing :) Nov 17 18:40:37 Ainulindale: anything using frameworkd, actually :) Nov 17 18:41:19 qtextended has a weird bug which causes it to gradually get slower Nov 17 18:42:13 I think it's doing a SIM card lookup for each number in the history Nov 17 18:42:24 but I'm too lazy to check the sources. Nov 17 18:42:40 stefan_schmidt, here? Nov 17 18:43:30 wow, xorg seems to be big Nov 17 18:50:15 God dammit, this number of locales is... Nov 17 18:50:51 i don't want to know it :D Nov 17 18:52:09 It's weird it didn't regenerate it for GTA01 Nov 17 18:55:42 I understand why it was so slow Nov 17 18:57:09 hmmm... maybe I should try to build it, too Nov 17 18:57:34 good luck :D Nov 17 18:57:47 * polz bought a new computer about 1 month ago with that excuse :P Nov 17 18:58:10 Well Nov 17 18:58:11 Going home Nov 17 18:58:13 i'm still at work here Nov 17 18:59:12 Ainulindale: is anyone waiting for you at home? Nov 17 18:59:24 Ainulindale: and do they feed you at work? Nov 17 19:07:08 quickdev: I am now Nov 17 19:07:25 heh. Nov 17 19:07:41 alphaone, have a look here: http://rafb.net/p/rahQgJ72.html Nov 17 19:07:45 Ainulindale: The i fixed a problem that could cause the ud issue, but it's not fixed completely Nov 17 19:07:46 CPIN takes 10 seconds Nov 17 19:07:57 could you increase the SIMAUTH timeout please? Nov 17 19:08:05 to 11 or 12? :) Nov 17 19:08:05 ah, shit Nov 17 19:08:17 I'd say 12 ;) Nov 17 19:08:20 do you guys have to break everything? :-) Nov 17 19:08:32 seeseekey is the root of that evil :) Nov 17 19:08:45 quickdev: the link is not there Nov 17 19:09:10 alphaone, http://rafb.net/p/kZbFfP46.html Nov 17 19:09:29 he changed timeout to 20 to see how long it really takes Nov 17 19:10:17 and? Nov 17 19:10:33 have a look at the timestamps of the request and response Nov 17 19:10:34 ah, nevermind Nov 17 19:10:36 and calculate it :) Nov 17 19:10:45 yeah, just got that, thank you :-) Nov 17 19:10:52 thank seeseekey Nov 17 19:11:27 ^^ Nov 17 19:14:16 Where's that timeout set? Nov 17 19:15:08 mwester, /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py Nov 17 19:15:14 thx Nov 17 19:25:22 well Nov 17 19:25:33 water Nov 17 19:25:44 I received a sms now with SHR Nov 17 19:25:49 incoming sms works :O Nov 17 19:29:34 polz: yes my girlfriend was waiting Nov 17 19:29:42 Which is unusual as she works from 7h to 20h usually Nov 17 19:29:59 (She's in civil engineering) Nov 17 19:30:43 Ainulindale: you mean like in 'not payed by gov' ? ;) Nov 17 19:30:59 hmm.... that's either a long day at work, or a very long commute to get to work. Nov 17 19:31:09 mwester: Without commute Nov 17 19:31:12 ouch. Nov 17 19:31:18 Civil engineering... Nov 17 19:31:58 We don't do civil engineering here anymore. We just let our expressway bridges fall into the river. Nov 17 19:32:06 meh =) Nov 17 19:33:11 hi all... the option to disable the accelerometers seems to be gone in the latest frameworkd.conf on fso ms4. Is it still available? Nov 17 19:33:27 another reason to love the gta01... Nov 17 19:34:05 beniwtv: which one? Nov 17 19:35:09 lindi-: frameworkd in ms3 had the option to diable the polling of the accelerometers on the freerunner. Now in ms4 it's not there, so I'm wondering if it is still available... Nov 17 19:36:27 Ehehehehe Nov 17 19:36:53 Ainulindale: btw, the messaging app seems to crash if the inbox contains an unread message Nov 17 19:39:21 lindi-: because it's causing the framework to go 40% CPU... sigh... :( Nov 17 19:39:57 beniwtv: you mean ignoreinput in [odeviced.idlenotifier] ? Nov 17 19:40:46 mrmoku: Ah! That could be the new option! Maybe it just has been renamed :) Nov 17 19:42:58 Don't know if it changed... But I checked the frameworkd source and with something like 'ignoreinput = 2,3,4' it should ignore /dev/input/[234]... Nov 17 19:43:10 Ainulindale, have you checked polz' issue? Nov 17 19:43:25 ah..that ophonektid thing? Nov 17 19:43:27 without logs? Nov 17 19:43:45 /dev/input/event... Nov 17 19:44:21 quickdev: oh, come on, leave him alone, let him spend some time with his girlfriend Nov 17 19:44:44 quickdev: and... I have many issues :) Nov 17 19:46:13 hmm.. this _is_ weird. Why does my phone freeze during the splash screen? I've just re-flashed the splash image and it didn't help. Nov 17 19:46:48 it boots normally if I press the AUX button and select "Boot" manually Nov 17 19:47:00 polz, try to boot without usb cable Nov 17 19:47:12 and when it crashed..put in the usb cable and try to read those logs :) Nov 17 19:47:46 quickdev: I'm not sure it really crashes - it turns off if I hold the power button for about 10s Nov 17 19:48:06 polz, try to ssh into it...and type in: logread Nov 17 19:48:19 beniwtv: i am using ms3 still Nov 17 19:48:26 beniwtv: was the option really removed? in what commit? Nov 17 19:48:30 polz: hmm now that you mention it... I'm having the same problem. Sometimes it freezes on the splash image Nov 17 19:48:50 lindi-: I'm trying to find it... Nov 17 19:50:26 quickdev: no errors there Nov 17 19:50:40 quickdev: I have to eat, I'll be here later on Nov 17 19:50:50 Ainulindale: enjoy your meal Nov 17 19:50:52 quickdev: The image generation takes a while without any apparent reason Nov 17 19:50:54 Ainulindale, of course.. :) Nov 17 19:51:04 enjoy year meal ;) Nov 17 19:51:09 and I'm back :) Nov 17 19:51:21 mrmoku: That option has me confused a bit... It seems this is for the idlenotifier only, and it seems to ignore accelerometers. However, my option was under odeviced I think.... (input.py, to be exact)... Since I've enabled ctype, input.py gets loaded and I see the problem Nov 17 19:52:16 beniwtv: [odeviced.accelerometer] disable=1 Nov 17 19:52:46 found that now, because installing todays image finished :) Nov 17 19:53:02 mrmoku: Thanks!, that's it... Nov 17 19:53:36 quickdev: if you have any time to check Nov 17 19:53:43 the buildhost current build is in a screen Nov 17 19:53:55 I don't know why it's spending so much time doing apparently nothing Nov 17 19:54:37 Ainulindale, I see two python shr-image processes running Nov 17 19:54:52 Yep, they've been running for half an hour Nov 17 19:54:58 with no subprocess Nov 17 19:55:07 deadlock? Nov 17 19:55:10 kill both :) Nov 17 19:55:17 Already tried Nov 17 19:55:50 Seems it's xorg do package Nov 17 19:55:54 ERROR: Task 3639 (/home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.3.0.0.bb, do_package) failed Nov 17 19:56:30 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builds/57251/ Nov 17 19:56:42 Relaunched it, will see Nov 17 19:58:58 why does ti_calypso_deep_sleep have to be set to never? Nov 17 19:59:35 polz, http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 Nov 17 19:59:42 read the last comments Nov 17 20:06:07 Haha, GetPowerStatus also seems to be getting called every time I receive an SMS Nov 17 20:06:19 That's not the case actually Nov 17 20:07:08 * beniwtv 's script to launch pingus in 320x240 did not really work out... Nov 17 20:07:27 Anyway to reset the lcd from command line? :p Nov 17 20:07:44 s/Anyway/Any way Nov 17 20:09:05 hmm.. why did it get called, then? Nov 17 20:09:42 quickdev: there's something weird here Nov 17 20:09:55 I was doing some rm -rf in xorg Nov 17 20:10:02 I saw the files being removed Nov 17 20:10:05 Then it recreated it Nov 17 20:10:11 s/d it/d them/ Nov 17 20:10:29 (the locales) Nov 17 20:11:04 Ainulindale: is the SMS app supposed to update the list of messages if a new message is received? Nov 17 20:11:15 polz: it's supposed to but it doesn't now Nov 17 20:11:16 Ainulindale: when the new snapshot for gta02 will be released? Nov 17 20:11:24 It'll do if you relaunch it unfortunately Nov 17 20:11:26 sylar1: when it's done =) Nov 17 20:11:37 Ainulindale, for that, messages would have to launch for the incoming message signal Nov 17 20:11:40 but that's no problem, right? Nov 17 20:11:48 s/launch for/listen to/ Nov 17 20:11:54 But yes Nov 17 20:12:24 quickdev: seems there's a huge issue with xorg Nov 17 20:12:30 It won't stop Nov 17 20:12:59 http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=xorg Nov 17 20:13:00 mh Nov 17 20:13:08 it won't stop? huh? Nov 17 20:13:09 And are we supposed to use xserver-xorg or xserver-kdrive Nov 17 20:13:15 ? Nov 17 20:13:53 quickdev: judging by the comments, gta01 don't usually suffer from this re-registration problem Nov 17 20:14:08 polz: I thought I only added that line to the GTA02 Nov 17 20:14:13 polz: I'll modify the scirpt Nov 17 20:15:35 alphaone, stefan_schmidt Nov 17 20:15:44 Weird xorg problem here, heard about that? Nov 17 20:15:59 Ainulindale: Nov 17 20:16:01 [odeviced] Nov 17 20:16:02 suspend=0 Nov 17 20:16:24 quickdev: ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/xserver (/home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.3.0.0.bb /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.3.0.0.bb). Nov 17 20:16:29 That might be the issue here Nov 17 20:16:33 Ainulindale: no idea, need to know more Nov 17 20:16:36 hmm Nov 17 20:16:40 doesn't help, it's still trying to read the battery status after it reaches idle notifier state handler, id 5 Nov 17 20:17:05 polz: I might have forgotten the real name of the variable Nov 17 20:17:17 2 issues with SHR upgdated a few hours ago. The bug when frameworkd doesn't register when PIN security is off, is back. And I still have the echo bug. Nov 17 20:17:21 Ainulindale: which fine manual should I read? Nov 17 20:17:47 Read the Fucking Alphaone Manual :-) Nov 17 20:18:43 polz: are you sure you restarted frameworkd? Nov 17 20:19:10 suspend=0 sounds okay Nov 17 20:19:24 Ainulindale: But didn't you implement that? Nov 17 20:19:29 Ainulindale: what is the advantage of the new kernel found in the shr download dir? Nov 17 20:19:32 alphaone: nope Nov 17 20:19:41 There's no new kernel Nov 17 20:20:00 Damn, can't understand why I can't compile xorg Nov 17 20:20:09 ? Nov 17 20:20:18 alphaone: in [ophoned] ? Nov 17 20:20:27 uImage-2.6.24+r10+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin 17-Nov-2008 17:29 1.8M Nov 17 20:20:38 polz: No Nov 17 20:21:04 polz: What is your problem? Nov 17 20:21:11 alphaone: it's currently removing the tmp/install dir of xorg Nov 17 20:21:13 when it does that Nov 17 20:21:13 Maybe I should start with that :-) Nov 17 20:21:18 after the actual removal Nov 17 20:21:22 it writes the file again Nov 17 20:21:52 huh? Nov 17 20:21:55 Yep Nov 17 20:21:55 sounds confusing Nov 17 20:22:03 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-testing/tmp$ ls work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/xserver-xorg-1_1.3.0.0-r8/install/xserver-xorg-xprint/usr/lib/X11/xserver/ | wc -l Nov 17 20:22:03 alphaone: where should I set suspend=0 ? Nov 17 20:22:06 639 Nov 17 20:22:09 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-testing/tmp$ ls work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/xserver-xorg-1_1.3.0.0-r8/install/xserver-xorg-xprint/usr/lib/X11/xserver/ | wc -l Nov 17 20:22:12 614 Nov 17 20:22:14 Here it's removing Nov 17 20:22:15 When it'll be done removing Nov 17 20:22:22 It'll keep hanging on the bitbake shr-image Nov 17 20:22:25 Then rewrite the file again Nov 17 20:22:31 With no apparent reasons Nov 17 20:22:33 -s Nov 17 20:22:50 Small question: Is it possible to call to 2 persons at the same time with the freerunner? (I mean hardware-related) Nov 17 20:23:38 alphaone: currently 175 Nov 17 20:23:46 When it'll hit 0 it'll regrow files Nov 17 20:23:56 It's a mutant bb recipe Nov 17 20:24:17 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-testing/tmp$ date Nov 17 20:24:17 Mon Nov 17 21:18:55 CET 2008 Nov 17 20:24:17 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-testing/tmp$ ls work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/xserver-xorg-1_1.3.0.0-r8/install/xserver-xorg-xprint/usr/lib/X11/xserver/ | wc -l Nov 17 20:24:21 8 Nov 17 20:24:21 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-testing/tmp$ ls work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/xserver-xorg-1_1.3.0.0-r8/install/xserver-xorg-xprint/usr/lib/X11/xserver/ | wc -l Nov 17 20:24:24 72 Nov 17 20:24:24 dolf1074: I've placed two calls to myself with the calypso and SHR. Nov 17 20:24:26 shr@opmbuild:~/shr-testing/tmp$ date Nov 17 20:24:29 Mon Nov 17 21:19:07 CET 2008 Nov 17 20:24:36 Ainulindale: xprint takes eons to finish Nov 17 20:24:44 is it really failing for you? Nov 17 20:24:52 And if yes please post the error Nov 17 20:24:54 Well it spends a lot of time doing it stuff Nov 17 20:24:59 accursed splash screen! Nov 17 20:25:06 And by a lot I mean, it spent more than an hour before I killed it Nov 17 20:25:09 mwester: So frameworkd can also do conference call? Or isn't it inserted yet? Nov 17 20:25:57 Ainulindale: Yes, it does that Nov 17 20:26:06 read my discussion with zecke on #oe Nov 17 20:26:06 More than an hour? Nov 17 20:26:09 Weird Nov 17 20:26:10 dolf1074: dunno. I expect it should, but I have no idea if that requires audio handling by the FR (if so, it's probably screwed up until someone creates the correct state files) Nov 17 20:26:18 it's package QA that's slowing things down Nov 17 20:26:28 Damn Nov 17 20:26:35 mwester: thanks for the answer Nov 17 20:26:42 Ainulindale: you can work around that Nov 17 20:26:52 alphaone: how? Nov 17 20:27:13 And I have a fix in testing at the moment that will not build xserver-xorg-xprint Nov 17 20:27:44 What's weird is that it outputs no log, no info at all Nov 17 20:27:50 Well I have to eat Nov 17 20:27:59 Or my girlfriend will castrate me Nov 17 20:28:14 Ainulindale: remove the line INHERIT += "insane" in conf/distro/include/angstrom.conf Nov 17 20:28:31 aaah, it should probably be set in [ophoned.idlenotifier] Nov 17 20:28:41 polz: odeviced Nov 17 20:29:27 Ha! I have conquered the demon of GTA01 prejudice, and beaten the rules file into submission. It no longer spews forth defamatory statements about lack of LEDs or wrong brightness handling. Nov 17 20:29:34 alphaone: Launched it. Will tell you :-) Nov 17 20:30:07 mwester: Great! :-) Nov 17 20:30:29 Ainulindale: that didn't work. Nov 17 20:30:30 mwester: you're using different rules files for gta01 and 02 now? Nov 17 20:30:49 and yes, [odeviced.idlenotifier] Nov 17 20:30:51 Yes. Wish we could figure out how to combine them. Nov 17 20:31:06 maybe a preprocessor? Nov 17 20:31:22 #if GTA01 #elseif #endif Nov 17 20:31:32 mwester: We need to think about oeventsd soon anyway Nov 17 20:31:40 way too fragile at the moment Nov 17 20:34:19 I still need to figure out why ophonekitd segfaults. gdb says its in glib, but can't say any more because I ran out of disk space installing -dbg packages. :( So now I'm in the middle of backing up my SD card, and re-installing everything. Nov 17 20:35:46 alphaone: still the same issue here Nov 17 20:36:20 openembedded/conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc:#INHERIT += "insane" Nov 17 20:37:27 Ainulindale: The complaine to zecke :-) Nov 17 20:39:29 Good day sirs Nov 17 20:47:59 Is it normal for Xglamo to report it's using the fb driver in Xorg.0.log? Nov 17 20:50:08 nah, stupid question... ignore that :P Nov 17 21:07:55 quickdev: see #90 Nov 17 21:08:06 I'm talking with that user atm ;) Nov 17 21:08:33 I guess so :-) Nov 17 21:08:58 Exist a german dictonary for the ilumne keyboard? Nov 17 21:10:13 seeseekey: why would the dictionary need to be specific to some virtual keyboard? Nov 17 21:11:44 lindi-: Okay a general german dictonary usaable by the ilumne keyboard Nov 17 21:12:22 if I want to set an audio alarm at a certain time, how do I do it under SHR? Nov 17 21:12:38 polz: i'll answer when i've in the bus which i need to catch ... Nov 17 21:12:43 s/ve/m/ Nov 17 21:12:52 lindi-: ruuuuuun! :) Nov 17 21:25:39 polz: /dev/rtc1 supports ioctl for setting alarm time Nov 17 21:26:38 illume alarm should work with the right sound too Nov 17 21:26:44 I still have to investigate why it's not here Nov 17 21:27:23 Ainulindale: any way I can help? Nov 17 21:27:49 Is the alarm sound on FSO? Nov 17 21:27:59 If so, try to see from which package it's from Nov 17 21:28:08 s/from which/which/ Nov 17 21:28:32 Ainulindale: I no longer have fso installed :) Nov 17 21:28:50 Then wait until I check =) Nov 17 21:34:01 Hire: are you here? Nov 17 21:34:03 mickey|zzZZzz: What do you think of increasing SIMAUTH timeout to 15 seconds? Nov 17 21:34:19 alphaone: well now it's e-wm who's taking ages Nov 17 21:34:24 after rm_work Nov 17 21:34:35 There's something bad going on here Nov 17 21:35:07 Ainulindale: There's always something :-) Nov 17 21:37:43 Ah, it's still waiting for xserver-xorg in fact Nov 17 21:37:50 NOTE: Waiting for 1 active tasks to finish Nov 17 21:37:51 NOTE: 1: /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.3.0.0.bb, do_package (9368) Nov 17 21:38:12 I have absolutely no clue of what is going on here Nov 17 21:38:13 Hire: Here are my new mockups, http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/ Nov 17 21:39:26 Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist <----- what was the story behind this, again? Nov 17 21:39:36 mwester: no /bat Nov 17 21:39:43 but there is a /bat. Nov 17 21:39:53 Where's this code, I can't find it! :( Nov 17 21:40:03 Then give your gta01 a good hit with this /bat Nov 17 21:40:03 mwester, you need to request /bat Nov 17 21:40:12 cli-frameworkd has an example Nov 17 21:40:45 odeviced DEBUG (read '1' from '/sys/class/power_supply/gta01-battery/present') <----- battery driver Nov 17 21:41:04 So who's asking for what value where? Nov 17 21:41:37 ok. Nov 17 21:42:24 git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git Nov 17 21:42:24 ; cd shr; find . -type f | xargs grep PowerStatus Nov 17 21:42:28 finds nothing. Nov 17 21:45:27 do you have the cli-frameworkd script around? I got the same error, but used the example form it and then it worked Nov 17 21:45:51 is there a way to prevent the screen blanking on fso ms4? i switched it off via settings but it still blanks the screen... Nov 17 21:46:19 q0b: what does the blanking? Nov 17 21:46:26 mwester: mwester that's because it's not there Nov 17 21:46:33 mwester: try power_status in ophonekitd-main Nov 17 21:46:58 (check for org_freesmartphone_odeviced) Nov 17 21:47:27 lindi-: good question .. on fso ms4 i've no idea. (i mean the "usual" screensaver) Nov 17 21:47:35 q0b: zhone? Nov 17 21:47:41 q0b: if you want to disable it permanently, take a look at /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml (comment out the "Idleness Brightness Handling" section Nov 17 21:47:49 though then it never will blank Nov 17 21:47:54 xset s 20 10 Nov 17 21:47:57 to make x blank it Nov 17 21:48:24 beniwtv: thanks. .. i'll try this.. Nov 17 21:48:42 lindi-: thx.. but i already tried xset s off .. and it didn't work.. Nov 17 21:49:02 xset s 0 0 Nov 17 21:49:05 to disable blanking Nov 17 21:49:14 q0b: it of course can't help if something else blanks it Nov 17 21:49:16 lindi-: ahh. ok.. Nov 17 21:50:12 Ok, I guess I can play the game of "hunt for the missing /sys file" but I rather suspect that somebody knows what /sys file specifically, or at least what dbus message, that error is referring to. Nov 17 21:50:29 There's nothing in this source that seems to provide any clues. Nov 17 21:54:51 mwester: try to see what mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced tells you Nov 17 21:55:06 if you see something like /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat Nov 17 21:55:10 Then it's there Nov 17 21:55:31 quickdev: jffs2 currently generating Nov 17 21:55:32 thanks alphaone Nov 17 21:55:37 great Nov 17 21:55:39 dolf1074: now yes Nov 17 21:55:46 Ainulindale: ? Nov 17 21:55:53 alphaone: for your fix Nov 17 21:55:56 :-) Nov 17 21:55:57 np Nov 17 21:56:13 quickdev: there it is Nov 17 21:56:31 Generating the lite image now Nov 17 21:56:40 alphaone, could you increase the SIMAUTH timeout to 12? Nov 17 21:57:05 quickdev: I'd rather increase it to 15 right away Nov 17 21:57:13 quickdev: working on it Nov 17 21:57:16 the log showed 10 Nov 17 21:57:21 so I thought 12, but 15 is ok, too Nov 17 21:58:10 Well, I fear the peaks are even higher Nov 17 21:58:30 at first we though that 5 seconds were enough.. Nov 17 22:00:05 O what the crap! FSO is hardcode to require the that battery driver be literally "bat"???! Nov 17 22:00:18 gah! Nov 17 22:00:32 doh, that is no good Nov 17 22:01:01 ygn Nov 17 22:01:05 argh Nov 17 22:01:08 i am so busy :( Nov 17 22:01:11 mwester: where? Nov 17 22:02:07 That's what I'm being told. I can't find the source for this stuff to save my life. Nov 17 22:02:51 quickdev: are you trying latest? Nov 17 22:03:00 framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py line 163 Nov 17 22:03:20 If that's not the case, then what I need to know is how DOES it determine the battery? the dbus stuff doesn't show anything present, so something is not making it happy. Nov 17 22:03:21 Hire: it's for the new mockups. (Did you already find the link?) Nov 17 22:03:24 maybe= Nov 17 22:03:25 ? Nov 17 22:03:25 mwester: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py;h=b4a5004d9e418d0015af47c7997b7f18335bcb7b;hb=HEAD Nov 17 22:03:36 hire: ??? Nov 17 22:03:39 dolf:link Nov 17 22:03:40 yes? Nov 17 22:03:45 I can't cut and paste from my IRC client, I'm afraid. Nov 17 22:03:47 http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/ Nov 17 22:03:56 oh my god... i am talking with 8 ppl together Nov 17 22:03:58 Hire: you are so busy ... with what? Nov 17 22:04:08 Ainulindale, I'm downloading, thanks :) Nov 17 22:04:11 Hire: bravo Nov 17 22:04:30 mwester: git clone the framework repos Nov 17 22:04:32 it's in there Nov 17 22:04:41 BluesLee: with many things :D Nov 17 22:04:46 however, nice mockups :D Nov 17 22:04:56 mwester: why not simply create a symlink for FSO (ln -s battery bat) as a temporary solution? Nov 17 22:04:59 Hire: which one? Nov 17 22:05:08 http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/ Nov 17 22:05:10 Hire: That was the goal :) Nov 17 22:05:14 quatrox: can't create symlinks in /sys Nov 17 22:05:24 ahh Nov 17 22:05:33 dolf1074: I can do that Nov 17 22:05:38 quatrox: only the drivers can do that, and modifying the driver is what I'm trying to avoid. Nov 17 22:05:50 now I will see if I can do it with edje Nov 17 22:06:03 Hire: I hope so Nov 17 22:06:13 Hire: yes, nice, make them cute;-) Nov 17 22:06:21 i like them Nov 17 22:06:34 good work dolf1074 Nov 17 22:06:43 thanks :) Nov 17 22:07:48 Hire: i tried umicons Nov 17 22:08:21 Hire: they look awful Nov 17 22:08:57 Someone who can help my with my bitbake problems? My bitbake -c buid openmoko-dialer3 fails. (see http://pastebin.com/m2b376724) Nov 17 22:09:39 dolf1074: hey, your mockups, nice! Nov 17 22:09:51 BluesLee: thanks Nov 17 22:10:29 the stones are rolling Nov 17 22:11:07 dolf1074: bitbake libframeworkd-phonegui -c clean && cd shr && git pull && cd .. && bitbake openmoko-dialer3 Nov 17 22:11:59 Hire: the more i look on your sharpened icons the more i like them, good idea: colored icons on black seems to be a very good solution Nov 17 22:12:01 wiu Nov 17 22:12:12 BluesLee: yeah :) Nov 17 22:12:15 i think it too Nov 17 22:12:16 however Nov 17 22:12:31 BluesLee, sicu, dolf1074 Nov 17 22:12:38 can we change the grey of the topshelf? Nov 17 22:12:44 why don't you help me with theme? Nov 17 22:12:46 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1aa147923616 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (channel.py const.py): Nov 17 22:12:46 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Increase default timeout to 10 seconds Nov 17 22:12:46 freesmartphone.org: It seems that especially if the calypso is busy the default timeout of 5 Nov 17 22:12:46 freesmartphone.org: seconds wasn't enough and timeouts fired quite often with the response Nov 17 22:12:47 freesmartphone.org: arriving shortly after. Increasing the timeout will hopefully only catch Nov 17 22:12:49 freesmartphone.org: real timeouts. Nov 17 22:12:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4a19453f4b5c 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Increase SIMAUTH timeout to 15 seconds Nov 17 22:12:56 you can try to download edje_editor Nov 17 22:13:04 and playing with edje :) Nov 17 22:13:44 Hire: dont know anything about this e stuff, but i may try Nov 17 22:13:44 Hire: don't ask for sicu's help Nov 17 22:13:44 yeah, the color of the topshelf could change. What color do you think of? Nov 17 22:13:46 Now I'm afraid :-) Nov 17 22:14:17 dolf1074: i dont know, but i think we have to change everything;-) Nov 17 22:14:32 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r08a0cd7fb969 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: Nov 17 22:14:32 freesmartphone.org: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 17 22:14:32 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Nov 17 22:14:32 freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py Nov 17 22:14:45 Ainulindale: this one is for u http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cb247f8d70308d5fec6a479c329e75f3.png Nov 17 22:15:56 its getting winter here, i need some colors otherwise i will get depressive;-) Nov 17 22:15:57 Personally, I don't like the topshelf itself. You have to press twice for shutting something down. You have to press twice to change to another program. You have to press twice to open another program Nov 17 22:16:13 BluesLee: saw that, too sad for me :-) Nov 17 22:16:15 It like a press to much for everything Nov 17 22:16:18 Ainulindale: why? Nov 17 22:16:27 Hire: he's mad Nov 17 22:16:35 BluesLee: you can try, it is funny ;) Nov 17 22:16:36 His choices regarding colors are totally.. well Nov 17 22:16:38 Mad :-) Nov 17 22:16:42 ahhh Nov 17 22:16:45 i see :) Nov 17 22:17:00 but I am mad too :) Nov 17 22:17:06 my choices? Nov 17 22:17:14 BluesLee: sicu's Nov 17 22:17:19 sicu's Nov 17 22:17:28 yes Nov 17 22:17:39 you are right, but i like them Nov 17 22:17:52 the para icons Nov 17 22:19:09 * quickdev is flashing Nov 17 22:19:14 someone that can give me a hint why my bitbake fails? http://pastebin.com/d177009a5 Nov 17 22:19:29 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/gta01_battery GetPowerStatus <---- says: 'full' Nov 17 22:19:33 So that works fine. Nov 17 22:19:37 yay! Nov 17 22:19:40 thanks mwester Nov 17 22:19:40 Now, given this error: Nov 17 22:19:49 Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist Nov 17 22:19:51 Hire: i will join you at the weekend less time before Nov 17 22:20:09 where is that call to dbus, which seems to be missing the battery name? Nov 17 22:20:22 probably in the rules Nov 17 22:20:26 * sicu the mad is here! Nov 17 22:20:35 No, he's talking about ophonekitd there Nov 17 22:20:45 ah Nov 17 22:20:50 mwester: wait a minute Nov 17 22:21:13 mwester: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libframeworkd-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-dbus.c;h=02546e5e48d79dfa52b4698d512588ab669518ac;hb=HEAD Nov 17 22:21:13 Ainulindale: there you go Nov 17 22:21:16 Ainulindale: i will make you a proper colour theme to brighten up your day Nov 17 22:21:20 (I'm going absolutely insane here) Nov 17 22:21:21 ehm, quickdev there yougo Nov 17 22:21:37 thanks Nov 17 22:21:39 sicu: nothing mad there make please a theme Nov 17 22:21:40 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libframeworkd-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-dbus.h;h=31501b7cc645cc577594ab8893e2d4e41ee4c344;hb=HEAD <= and there Nov 17 22:21:40 Ainulindale: you'll feel like you're trippin' Nov 17 22:21:49 mwester: it's hardwired in libframeworkd-glib Nov 17 22:21:56 If it shouldn't, tell me how I should fix that and I'll fix it Nov 17 22:22:00 quickdev: Please report if that fixes the problem Nov 17 22:22:03 BluesLee: will do =] Nov 17 22:22:11 or report new ones, but you do that anyway :-) Nov 17 22:22:22 just need to figure out the edje stuff ... just like you and hire =] Nov 17 22:22:40 mwester: problem is, I don't know how to know the bat type at runtime Nov 17 22:22:45 Hire: can you upload an tar for your sharpened icons or where can i find them? Nov 17 22:23:00 alphaone, yeah - we tried that patch already before ;) Nov 17 22:23:04 Does the bitbake build command also makes the ipkg packages? Nov 17 22:23:17 this edje thing is a kind of container? Nov 17 22:23:18 dolf1074: yes Nov 17 22:23:33 mickey|zzZZzz: You'll fix sid-foo in enterprise distro? Nov 17 22:23:45 quickdev: okay, cool Nov 17 22:23:59 mwester: is that enough for you to call me names? :-) Nov 17 22:24:05 Ainulindale: thank, you're command serie worked ;) Nov 17 22:24:10 Ainulindale: just did another upgrade, but illume graphics is still distorted :/ Nov 17 22:24:11 dolf1074: you're welcome Nov 17 22:24:20 sicu: complain to raster :-) Nov 17 22:24:28 Ainulindale: i'm guessing flashing won't do much good at this point either? Nov 17 22:24:52 Ainulindale: hehe ... will do =/ Nov 17 22:25:00 Wait a minute and I'll tell you that Nov 17 22:25:02 I'm flashing the kernel Nov 17 22:25:07 ah, cool Nov 17 22:25:38 wow, so many people here, really cool Nov 17 22:25:54 mwester? Nov 17 22:25:57 Still alive? Nov 17 22:26:03 Or are you pulling your hair out? :-) Nov 17 22:26:31 Ainulindale: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/216 has regressed with the newest updates Nov 17 22:26:40 Hire: i will read about the edje stuff in the next days Nov 17 22:26:44 sicu: could you please try an opkg update upgrade again? Nov 17 22:26:56 alphaone? See dolf1074's comment Nov 17 22:26:59 Ainulindale: in progress Nov 17 22:27:08 Ainulindale: ? Nov 17 22:27:17 alphaone: regression regarding the no PIN issue Nov 17 22:27:32 so it's fixed? Nov 17 22:27:34 :-) Nov 17 22:28:01 alphaone: No it is reintroduced. Nov 17 22:28:04 hmmm, i was under impression that regression meant a step beck ... ? Nov 17 22:28:10 ah, Nov 17 22:28:13 *sigh* Nov 17 22:28:16 who did thatß Nov 17 22:28:30 but i would gladly be mistaken this time ;] Nov 17 22:29:01 Ainulindale: opkg upgrade (nothing to upgrade) Nov 17 22:29:10 sicu: hmm you're right Nov 17 22:29:12 it does look weird Nov 17 22:29:48 raster: graphical quality seems to be way behind with our build from today Nov 17 22:29:55 What might cause that, in your opinion? Nov 17 22:30:13 Ainulindale: yes ... there a horisontal lines with moderate variations in hue Nov 17 22:30:23 Yep Nov 17 22:30:26 On illume icons Nov 17 22:30:30 quickdev: still no GSM shelf gadget Nov 17 22:30:33 and on the top-bar Nov 17 22:30:38 Ainulindale: define "graphical quality" Nov 17 22:30:47 Ainulindale, do you want to reenable it? Nov 17 22:30:52 quickdev: indeed Nov 17 22:30:54 it has been fixed Nov 17 22:31:00 you are sure? Nov 17 22:31:01 that was my question today Nov 17 22:31:16 alphaone: ya, i'll do it if zecke doesn't Nov 17 22:31:37 quickdev: pretty sure Nov 17 22:31:39 mickeyl: please do, I want to get the new ms4 image out asap Nov 17 22:31:51 Ainulindale: slightly green and purple lines ... i could make them more dominant by choosing crisper colours that make your eyes water with pleasure ;] Nov 17 22:31:58 raster: I'm doing a screen Nov 17 22:32:42 raster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/88ba2627ee96ea33e64f5cf9c23e808a.png Nov 17 22:33:20 Though it feels a lot faster Nov 17 22:33:53 Ainulindale: looks like you started using the software_16 engine Nov 17 22:33:57 which is faster Nov 17 22:34:02 but for 16bpp Nov 17 22:34:07 raster: I used the build you recommended Nov 17 22:34:11 it also has bugs and will cause crashes at times Nov 17 22:34:24 and... it drops quality Nov 17 22:34:31 Meh :-) Nov 17 22:34:36 So what should I do, O master? :-) Nov 17 22:34:45 nothng to do with the build Nov 17 22:34:49 to do with your config Nov 17 22:35:03 Ok then the config is to blame Nov 17 22:35:07 That's cool because quickdev did the config Nov 17 22:35:21 raster: Is there a way to change that with the menus? :-) Nov 17 22:35:24 which config? illume? Nov 17 22:35:39 Ah, saw the entry Nov 17 22:35:55 xrender or software then? Nov 17 22:36:12 yes Nov 17 22:36:26 which one should be used, in your opinion? Nov 17 22:36:38 xrender is dead slow Nov 17 22:37:43 quickdev: there's a sheer number of warning about ecore stuff :-) Nov 17 22:38:02 Does this build command exists? bitbake -c buid libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Nov 17 22:38:07 yes dolf1074 Nov 17 22:38:10 raster, font size is working. Thanks. Nov 17 22:38:12 ok, software looks good Nov 17 22:38:20 quickdev: engine should be changed to use "software" Nov 17 22:38:41 Ainulindale: and now I see that I wrote buid instead of build (and magically my problem is solved :) ) Nov 17 22:38:46 I'm here, and I'm just now (after looking at the logic that uses that) even more confused. Nov 17 22:38:55 actually the illume upstream default is software_16 Nov 17 22:38:56 mwester: why is that? Nov 17 22:39:13 raster: should we switch to software then? Nov 17 22:39:16 I personally don't care Nov 17 22:39:33 for some reason tho... e hasnt been using it even tho its configured :) Nov 17 22:39:37 but thats probabyl a good thing Nov 17 22:39:38 :) Nov 17 22:39:58 Ainulindale: for raw speed - software_16 is better Nov 17 22:40:00 but... Nov 17 22:40:06 It looks quite raw Nov 17 22:40:08 the quality drop is noticable Nov 17 22:40:12 Yep, totally Nov 17 22:40:18 Ainulindale: what did you do for the changes to take affect after choosing software render ? Nov 17 22:40:21 i wouldnt only suggest it for very specific niche case uses Nov 17 22:40:31 sicu: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Nov 17 22:40:38 raster: still no alarm sound by the way Nov 17 22:40:46 yeah, it's pretty fast Nov 17 22:41:01 Ainulindale: do u ship aplay? Nov 17 22:41:10 yep Nov 17 22:41:10 err Nov 17 22:41:17 i WOULD only suggest for niche case uses Nov 17 22:41:21 it doesnt implement everything either Nov 17 22:41:24 so things will segv Nov 17 22:41:33 ok Nov 17 22:41:35 if u hit on an unsupported operation Nov 17 22:41:56 alphaone: I have some bad news Nov 17 22:41:57 AttributeError: 'AbstractSMS' object has no attribute 'ud' Nov 17 22:42:05 This all is triggered by ophonekitd_device_idle_notifier_power_state_handler(), which uses the status to see if it can suspend. No active calls are allowed -- Yay! But the rest of the logic says that we won't suspend if it's either charging or full? Nov 17 22:42:15 mwester: you could have asked me that Nov 17 22:42:21 Ainulindale, that'S the bug we have talked about some hours ago Nov 17 22:42:34 quickdev: yes but alphaone supposedly corrected it Nov 17 22:42:46 spank, spank, spank ;) Nov 17 22:42:58 mwester: it's pretty logic by the way Nov 17 22:43:04 If you're on USB or charging Nov 17 22:43:12 You don't want your device to suspend, do you? Nov 17 22:43:17 on the GTA02, yes. Nov 17 22:43:27 On the GTA02? Not on GTA01? Nov 17 22:43:45 Actually it's not only the hardware, it's also the battery. Nov 17 22:43:55 how can i check the capacity of my battery in shr ? Nov 17 22:44:23 mwester: please be more precise :-) Nov 17 22:44:53 I'm considering. Nov 17 22:45:14 It might actually work on the GTA01, but I have no idea what it will do with a dumb battery on the gta02. Nov 17 22:45:25 A dumb battery? Nov 17 22:46:58 The battery driver talks to the battery to get a lot of the detailed info. A dumb battery can't report anything, so it has to come from the charger instead. There's no signal for FULL on the gta01 chip, but I think it will always stay in CHARGING state, even when capacity = 100%. Nov 17 22:47:28 So what's the problem then? Nov 17 22:47:59 quickdev: is it ok for the conf thingy? Nov 17 22:48:01 I'll have to test what happens to the GTA02 when it gets a dumb battery -- the question is if it will stay in CHARGING all the time, or signal FULL, or simply drop back to that odd state it has where it is not charging at all. Nov 17 22:48:08 quickdev: I'd like to regenerate the image Nov 17 22:48:53 alphaone: I am using latest frameworkd. no attribute ud is systematic. Nov 17 22:49:05 I thought you commited the stuff :-) Nov 17 22:49:43 Ainulindale: yes, not fixed yet Nov 17 22:50:02 But a minor issue; we can sort out non-supported batteries ont eh gta02 some other day. We need to figure out if the battery driver should be named "bat" on the gta01 as well, or if not, how do we handle it... this gets tangled up in the other device-specific stuff that SHR and FSO have to deal with. Nov 17 22:50:48 alphaone: One more strike for spank time then Nov 17 22:51:19 guys: I feel a lot of energy there today so maybe I will be disapointing... Nov 17 22:51:25 Ainulindale: First studies, then om Nov 17 22:51:32 alphaone: agreed :-) Nov 17 22:51:36 what are those crappy graphics ???!!!! Nov 17 22:51:36 That's how it's got to be at the moment Nov 17 22:51:45 ptitjes: switch to software engine and restart x Nov 17 22:52:26 ok I've noticed that u spoke about this earlier Nov 17 22:52:35 also SMS app does not work anymore Nov 17 22:52:47 Yep, frameworkd is borked Nov 17 22:53:19 ok! just wanted to tell in case you did not see that in the urge Nov 17 22:53:46 I saw it Nov 17 22:53:53 I'm just waiting for stefan_schmidt or mickeyl to fix it :-p Nov 17 22:53:59 :) Nov 17 22:54:34 Ainulindale: So the bug was fixed once? Nov 17 22:54:42 alphaone: you just told me to fix it locally Nov 17 22:54:46 But you didn't actually commit the sources Nov 17 22:55:14 Ainulindale, committed config changes for shr-image and shr-lite-image Nov 17 22:55:37 though it is weird alphaone Nov 17 22:55:45 because you seem to have renamed AbstractSMS to SMS Nov 17 22:56:04 Yeah, I did in master Nov 17 22:56:09 I especially like that Nov 17 22:56:12 28 # * AbstractSms (uebernimmt codierung/decodierung) Nov 17 22:56:17 Reminds me of my chinese lessons Nov 17 22:56:21 I've seen cool dialer3 screenshots pass through the channel some minutes ago, what version was it ? Nov 17 22:56:23 heh Nov 17 22:56:50 do you mean those? Nov 17 22:56:52 http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/ Nov 17 22:56:56 yeah Nov 17 22:57:07 That are mockups that Hire will implement Nov 17 22:57:17 Does anyone know why exquisite-theme-illume fails to build for me (SHR)? Nov 17 22:57:18 I think I forgot something, but not sure what. Nov 17 22:57:39 Ainulindale: Where is the log that has the traceback? Nov 17 22:57:46 arrrrf i was excited by the idea it could not be mockups :) Nov 17 22:57:51 The one about no ud attribute? Nov 17 22:58:12 alphaone: up your ass and there : http://pastebin.com/m368ecdba <= :-) Nov 17 22:58:45 Tss, french people... Nov 17 22:58:48 Heh :-) Nov 17 22:59:00 hephephep Nov 17 22:59:04 That's not french people Nov 17 22:59:06 That's just me Nov 17 22:59:19 You'll forgive me when I'll pay you a beer Nov 17 22:59:58 Sooo.... what are we going to do about these low-level device differences between the gta01 and gta02 -- which will also end up reflected in the gta03, and possibly even be affected by the /sys reorganization Andy did for 2.6.26+ kernels? Nov 17 23:00:10 Ainulindale: Just that I don't drink, but I'll take a Club Mate :-) Nov 17 23:00:15 alphaone: damn Nov 17 23:00:18 You're not funny ! :è) Nov 17 23:00:36 * mwester is going to edit some framework python code to normalize some interfaces right now. Nov 17 23:00:37 Oh, I can be :-) Nov 17 23:01:18 mwester: Huh? Nov 17 23:02:42 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd8a55311c5d2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Nov 17 23:02:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Avoid AttributeError: 'AbstractSMS' object has no attribute 'ud' Nov 17 23:02:42 freesmartphone.org: This makes sure that the ud attribute is always present. Nov 17 23:03:11 Aaah :-) Nov 17 23:03:13 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rbb64b62e42d7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 17 23:03:21 yeah Nov 17 23:03:27 Ok will regenerate the images Nov 17 23:03:35 Ainulindale: I'd still like the PDU of that SMS Nov 17 23:03:39 I'm trying to read the keys of the preferences in 'phone' with cli-framework. I though the command was preferences.GetService("phone").GetKeys(). But that fails Nov 17 23:03:50 alphaone: I'll give you everything tomorrow Nov 17 23:03:53 Ainulindale: to study and put up in my cool/weird PDUs freak show :-) Nov 17 23:03:57 When I'll know you'll have studied something by then Nov 17 23:04:12 Ainulindale: great, also the money we talked about? ;-) Nov 17 23:04:22 Heh :-) Nov 17 23:05:01 Can I pay you with a fresh girlfriend? Nov 17 23:05:06 She doesn't know how to cook though Nov 17 23:05:16 woooow Nov 17 23:05:16 And she can be a mighty pain in the ass Nov 17 23:05:25 money? Nov 17 23:05:28 where is the money?!? Nov 17 23:05:31 Ainulindale: oh, cool Nov 17 23:05:39 Where do you get those? Nov 17 23:05:41 so I can buy beer :) Nov 17 23:05:44 alphaone: I don't know Nov 17 23:05:49 girlfriend? Nov 17 23:05:49 heeh Nov 17 23:05:55 I think I'm so awful I can only find this kind of girlfriend Nov 17 23:05:58 where is the girlfriend? Nov 17 23:06:09 (Though it's been 7 years already) Nov 17 23:06:17 (of pure masochistic pleasure) Nov 17 23:06:26 (damn her) Nov 17 23:06:39 poor girl :) Nov 17 23:06:51 Meh Nov 17 23:07:24 quickdev: will you be able to retry the conf? Nov 17 23:07:32 (i.e. the image) Nov 17 23:07:41 yeah, takes some minutes to download Nov 17 23:07:47 but not to flash Nov 17 23:07:52 takes ages to flash Nov 17 23:08:15 We still need to find a ringtone by the way Nov 17 23:09:05 yeah Nov 17 23:09:10 Ainulindale, link please ;) Nov 17 23:09:19 quickdev: do you flash it by the way? Nov 17 23:09:24 shr-settings? Nov 17 23:09:26 Or do you extract it to your sd? Nov 17 23:09:37 I'm always flashing things :) Nov 17 23:09:45 Someone who know how I can get the keys of preferences.GetService("phone") in cli-framework? Nov 17 23:09:54 the keys? Nov 17 23:09:58 yes Nov 17 23:10:06 Of the hash? Nov 17 23:10:41 dolf1074: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Preferences.html;hb=HEAD Nov 17 23:10:55 no that's a service that has to implement the interface 'service' and the interface service has a function GetKeys() Nov 17 23:10:57 Here's the doc Nov 17 23:11:14 So I thought preferences.GetService("phone").GetKeys(), but that fails Nov 17 23:11:31 quickdev: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081117-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary Nov 17 23:11:42 It's being generated at the moment quickdev Nov 17 23:11:43 wait a minute Nov 17 23:11:54 Here it is Nov 17 23:12:23 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.ca/1259814 <--- Nov 17 23:12:42 mwester: that's quite interesting Nov 17 23:12:48 Yep. Nov 17 23:13:35 in glib -- wonder if there's a bug in there. Nov 17 23:13:45 I bet the bug is my fault Nov 17 23:13:58 I don't think you modified glib! Nov 17 23:14:08 No but I could have freed something I shouldn't have freed Nov 17 23:14:24 g_hash_table_destroy(messagebook_info); <= in the end of lfg callback Nov 17 23:15:31 90mb? argh :) Nov 17 23:15:39 mwester, great Nov 17 23:16:25 Hire: How does it go with implementing the mockups. (or are you doing other stuff?) Nov 17 23:16:41 i am studying edje :) Nov 17 23:17:00 and i am do some "experiment" Nov 17 23:17:19 doing Nov 17 23:17:21 Yeah, it is something totally different from other graphical tools Nov 17 23:18:14 Ainulindale, yes, libframeworkd-glib bug Nov 17 23:18:22 Can't see why though Nov 17 23:18:36 It should only be freed when there's no error? Nov 17 23:18:49 it should be null if an error was set Nov 17 23:18:52 so it shouldn't fail Nov 17 23:19:19 I'll add an ifnull Nov 17 23:19:23 Ainulindale: do you receive the signal twice (resuling in trying to destroy the hash twice?) Nov 17 23:19:45 Ainulindale, g_hash_table_destroy checks for NULL Nov 17 23:19:52 (I haven't look at source code, but one fast way to detect those is to set pointers to NULL after destroy) Nov 17 23:19:56 quickdev: then it shouldn't fail Nov 17 23:20:08 mw|: can't be freed twice in this case Nov 17 23:20:11 yes, evant can happen twice i think... Nov 17 23:20:14 it's local and coming from dbus Nov 17 23:20:25 And it's not a signal Nov 17 23:21:02 Ainulindale: I should get time to look at SHR again sometime in the end of the month :-D Looking forward to that Nov 17 23:21:11 I hope so Nov 17 23:22:43 quickdev: maybe you're freeing the hash on your code Nov 17 23:22:52 I've just starting to catch up on the traffic that has been sent on the mailinglist for the past 2-3 months :-) Nov 17 23:22:52 I have seen that you have moved over to git? Nov 17 23:23:09 yep Nov 17 23:23:29 any magic url's I should need to know about? Nov 17 23:23:50 shr.bearstech.com and shr.bearstech.com/trac a,d shr.bearstech.com/git Nov 17 23:23:57 And you'll be all set Nov 17 23:24:11 new bug: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/95 (Random jitter if you click somewhere) Nov 17 23:24:12 *bookmarking* Nov 17 23:24:13 mwester: still debugging? Nov 17 23:24:39 /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat <---- hehe! A little magic with python in kernel26.py, and the problem goes away. Nov 17 23:24:45 thanks :-) *off to bed* Nov 17 23:25:05 mwester: If you can reproduce this problem everytime Nov 17 23:25:12 I'd be interested in the content of messagebook_info Nov 17 23:25:15 2 out of 3 times. Nov 17 23:25:16 Before the hash_destroy Nov 17 23:25:31 And the content of error too Nov 17 23:25:39 Ok, I'll see if I can figure out how to set a breakpoint without source code. Nov 17 23:25:50 mw| good night Nov 17 23:25:56 if you install the dbg package you should have the symbol information Nov 17 23:28:13 b *someaddr lets you put a brakepoint on any given numeric address Nov 17 23:29:39 Hire: currently compiling navit Nov 17 23:29:45 (rev 1730) Nov 17 23:30:01 Ainulindale: nice :) Nov 17 23:30:29 quickdev seems to be a bit interested on navit Nov 17 23:31:17 What are all the commands bitbake support? compile clean and? Nov 17 23:31:33 configure, install, devshell, build, etc Nov 17 23:31:44 where can you find them? Nov 17 23:31:46 easily Nov 17 23:33:02 bitbake -c listtasks yourpackage Nov 17 23:33:33 thanks Nov 17 23:35:15 Can it happen that you get a call (sound), but that the screen with accept doesn't appear? Nov 17 23:35:37 I've just had it Nov 17 23:36:00 You might mistake that with a SMS Nov 17 23:36:08 Easy to distinguish Nov 17 23:36:14 The ringtone is horrid Nov 17 23:36:17 it was the call sound Nov 17 23:36:22 The message isn't (almost) Nov 17 23:42:50 where does the source file located of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl. I thought in shr/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl but that map doesn't exist Nov 17 23:43:34 shr.bearstech.com/git Nov 17 23:43:40 All is there Nov 17 23:43:52 I mean in the bitbake setup Nov 17 23:46:13 Ainulindale Nov 17 23:46:34 i get a problem with dependecies Nov 17 23:46:40 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for navit: Nov 17 23:46:40 * libgps (>= 2.34) * Nov 17 23:47:38 Hire: you need to install it manually Nov 17 23:49:06 argh Nov 17 23:49:13 i take it from om repo :) Nov 17 23:52:19 argh... it is the bed time Nov 17 23:53:30 unmet dependencies should be release critical bug that will get the package removed :) Nov 17 23:54:03 agreed:) Nov 17 23:54:30 i think it is a my fault Nov 17 23:55:34 hmm, i wonder how accurate i can make the FR clock Nov 17 23:57:13 lindi-: rdate -s ntp.uio.no; hwclock --systohc Nov 17 23:57:25 then you get it very accurate Nov 17 23:57:33 sigh Nov 17 23:57:33 :) Nov 17 23:57:35 i have to go Nov 17 23:57:43 tomorrow I will test navit Nov 17 23:57:48 and i commit the icons Nov 17 23:57:51 :) Nov 17 23:57:51 Gah! that dbus stuff is so convoluted, even gdb can make no sense of it! Sorry, I can get nothing from gdb. Nov 17 23:58:05 bye guys :D Nov 17 23:58:09 good night Nov 17 23:58:29 quatrox: but i want to cancel the systematic drift of rtc Nov 17 23:58:41 quatrox: it seems to be around 42 seconds per day Nov 17 23:59:36 lindi-: I noticed that... I think you can just add 1.8 sec per hour Nov 17 23:59:40 :) Nov 17 23:59:46 quatrox: hwclock supports --adjust Nov 17 23:59:59 nice:) Nov 18 00:01:06 now that i figured out how to periodically wake the phone from suspend i could setup daily ntpdate Nov 18 00:01:21 that would figure out the drift more accurately Nov 18 00:01:31 quatrox: is it around 42 seconds also for you? Nov 18 00:02:14 lindi-: not sure exactly how much it is drifting, but I can measure it Nov 18 00:02:52 quatrox: $ grep 0.000000 /home/scratch/neo/2008-*/etc/adjtime | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 Nov 18 00:02:55 http://rafb.net/p/AeiJ7x26.html Nov 18 00:03:19 I just need to hack my kernel, because the phone stops charging very soon and lets the bat run empty Nov 18 00:03:34 quatrox: odd Nov 18 00:03:45 quatrox: here it stops charging and then stays at 85% Nov 18 00:03:48 forever Nov 18 00:03:51 never goes below that Nov 18 00:03:59 amazing Nov 18 00:04:24 which kernel are you using? Nov 18 00:04:25 same here Nov 18 00:04:50 linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 20081103.git7172ec57-1 Nov 18 00:05:15 thanks. I will try that Nov 18 00:06:30 mickeyl: latest SHR seems to be fine :-) Nov 18 00:06:39 glad to hear Nov 18 00:06:43 Though there are obviously issues with GTA01 Nov 18 00:06:52 what things? Nov 18 00:07:04 i have one here, i can check if it's frameworkd misbehaving Nov 18 00:07:08 power status for instance Nov 18 00:07:20 well that's brandnew Nov 18 00:07:21 I'd like to know which Device I'm supposed to use Nov 18 00:07:23 (kernel support) Nov 18 00:08:41 Damn, how am I supposed to find maps for navit? Nov 18 00:09:47 good night Nov 18 00:14:31 Ainulindale: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ Nov 18 00:15:50 that kind ? Nov 18 00:15:52 Thanks :-) Nov 18 00:17:51 ptitjes: did you try latest? Nov 18 00:18:08 did someone tried to remote debug python on neo with pydev ? Nov 18 00:18:12 yes Nov 18 00:18:15 And? Nov 18 00:18:21 Is it working for you? Nov 18 00:18:28 however maybe not the latest if you made new image ? Nov 18 00:18:44 I made an image tonight yes Nov 18 00:18:47 mickeyl: hey Nov 18 00:18:55 Can you scp to your device? Nov 18 00:18:55 oh yes i update now Nov 18 00:21:19 Ainulindale: how I can shutdown my neo properly through the gui ? Nov 18 00:21:35 You can't, and I can't see why this should be useful Nov 18 00:22:21 Ainulindale: which one? the 02 is currently attached Nov 18 00:22:27 i need to flash new things to the 01 Nov 18 00:22:30 (gathering dust) Nov 18 00:22:32 gta02 Nov 18 00:23:06 going to nand boot Nov 18 00:23:20 Hmmpf Nov 18 00:23:21 navit:map_new:invalid type 'binfile' Nov 18 00:25:22 Why won't it work now Nov 18 00:27:40 Ainulindale, I'm hacked navit a little bit to use efl Nov 18 00:27:50 quickdev: you should focus on lfp-efl =) Nov 18 00:27:55 I know :) Nov 18 00:28:03 And either way I can't seem to find how to use an osm map Nov 18 00:28:05 image is working btw. Nov 18 00:28:47 Ainulindale, http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ Nov 18 00:29:07 quickdev: it doesn't know the type binfile Nov 18 00:29:21 navit? it knows it Nov 18 00:29:34 have to go now...to few hours sleep :) Nov 18 00:29:34 navit:map_new:invalid type 'binfile' Nov 18 00:29:49 do you use 0.1.0 ? Nov 18 00:29:58 Package: navit Nov 18 00:29:58 Version: 0.1.0+svnrev1730-r1.1 Nov 18 00:30:18 abend... is here somebody, who is close to wiki.openmoko.org? There's something odd I see with the wiki, so I'd like to sort out if it on my side, of if the wiki is broken... Nov 18 00:30:24 did you try that else : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Script_to_download_OSM_maps ? Nov 18 00:30:35 Nov 18 00:30:35 Nov 18 00:30:35 Nov 18 00:30:36 If I can't tell him to load binfile, it won't help much Nov 18 00:30:46 include that xml Nov 18 00:30:59 I have no XML under any kind of maps dir Nov 18 00:31:08 you have to create it Nov 18 00:31:12 join #navit Nov 18 00:31:14 for help :) Nov 18 00:31:23 Too tired to do that Nov 18 00:31:24 have to go now...sorry Nov 18 00:31:27 yeah, me too Nov 18 00:31:33 sleep well, night. Nov 18 00:32:11 Sheesh Nov 18 00:32:16 Tired with that dumbness Nov 18 00:33:03 Why can't he load bin files Nov 18 00:35:12 * mickeyl needs to sleep Nov 18 00:35:15 will be here tomorrow Nov 18 00:35:16 g'night Nov 18 00:35:20 night Nov 18 00:39:39 ptitjes: no matter what I do it won't load the map Nov 18 00:40:17 The last time i used navit I followed that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit tutorial Nov 18 00:40:30 Well I compiled the package on the buildhost Nov 18 00:40:34 And it won't load binfile Nov 18 00:40:54 and I had no problem... but that was when I used FDOM Nov 18 00:41:03 ??? Nov 18 00:41:38 Well, that's it Nov 18 00:41:42 navit:map_new:invalid type 'binfile' Nov 18 00:41:47 I don't have more to say Nov 18 00:42:01 why did you say "I have no XML under any kind of maps dir" ? Nov 18 00:42:10 Because I have no maps directory Nov 18 00:42:30 I downloaded a map and put it on the SD card, and tried to add it to the mapset Nov 18 00:42:34 With the results you know Nov 18 00:43:14 did the same... :( Nov 18 00:43:33 With the buildhost package? Nov 18 00:43:39 SHR buildhost? Nov 18 00:44:04 opkg... Nov 18 00:44:15 Then this is different. Nov 18 00:44:59 Ok I'll try HEAD Nov 18 00:45:03 But this is bother me Nov 18 00:45:05 +ing Nov 18 00:45:50 Ainulindale: have you set up navit.xml? Nov 18 00:48:24 * raster make4s a mental note that he has to do the tiled-map widget some time.... Nov 18 00:50:00 is it possible to do remote debugging of python code running on neo ? Nov 18 00:51:54 ptitjes: just ssh there and run pdb locally Nov 18 00:52:30 Ainulindale: The version of osm2navit with which you build the maps should match the version of navit you have. If in doubt, build the maps on the Openmoko. read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Copy the map to the NEO Nov 18 00:53:19 lindi-: and with pydev ? Nov 18 00:54:09 ptitjes: never used pydev Nov 18 00:54:20 is that me that begins to accomodate to the slowness of booting or is it going faster and faster ? Nov 18 00:54:32 :) Nov 18 00:55:40 I found that : http://fabioz.com/pydev/manual_adv_remote_debugger.html Nov 18 00:56:18 lindi-, and I might finaly like python and be helpfull Nov 18 01:01:23 Damn thing Nov 18 01:01:26 It's really annowying Nov 18 01:01:31 invalid type binfile Nov 18 01:01:39 I'll go to sleep, and forget about this Nov 18 01:01:43 I don't even care about GPS... Nov 18 01:03:10 Ainulindale: Nov 18 01:03:18 before you go to sleep :) Nov 18 01:03:54 look at that http://pastebin.com/m277bd54d please Nov 18 01:04:16 I can't even call 123 Nov 18 01:04:17 :( Nov 18 01:05:00 what does this mean ? 2008.11.19 00:49:33 ogsmd    WARNING  : Got unicode input. Trying to convert to plain string... Nov 18 01:05:35 and then it does outgoing and release consecutively... Nov 18 01:05:38 so strange Nov 18 01:14:55 wow I've got also segfault on Messages -- ahhh damned **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 18 02:59:56 2008