**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 26 02:59:57 2008
Nov 26 03:13:31 <mwester> Weiss:  yes -- opkg has no knowlege of what you may have done to force the original install, or force removal of a dependent package, so it can do no better than to assume that if it is currently installed, it must be safe to upgrade.  Opkg is somewhat limited...
Nov 26 03:40:51 <Spanska> Ainulindale: I didn't realize you're one of the main developers of SHR ;)
Nov 26 06:17:27 * CM tries the latest shr-lite
Nov 26 06:24:09 <CM> Magic bitmask not found...
Nov 26 08:27:25 <methril> morning
Nov 26 08:30:52 <lindi-> anyone seen "touchscreen sometimes forgets to report a release?" -- http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2134 before?
Nov 26 08:45:32 <sakkara_> lindi-: when scrolling up in terminal it happened that it didn't stop scrolling, but not sure if it's the same problem
Nov 26 08:48:25 <lindi-> sakkara_: which terminal app?
Nov 26 08:50:41 <sakkara_> vala-terminal
Nov 26 09:03:33 <lindi-> sakkara_: does it have a button for scrolling?
Nov 26 09:03:36 <lindi-> sakkara_: or scrollbar?
Nov 26 09:05:19 <sakkara_> both
Nov 26 09:05:38 <lindi-> sakkara_: which one did you use? ;)
Nov 26 09:05:46 <sakkara_> the button
Nov 26 09:06:17 <lindi-> sakkara_: ok, then it might be the same issue
Nov 26 09:06:21 <lindi-> sakkara_: which kernel are you using?
Nov 26 09:06:53 <sakkara_> always latest shr
Nov 26 09:07:30 <lindi-> sakkara_: but what was that at that time?
Nov 26 09:07:47 <lindi-> or are you still seeing it?
Nov 26 09:09:48 <sakkara_> i think nov 17 kernel
Nov 26 09:12:13 <lindi-> sakkara_: any idea where the sources are for that? http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=tree does not seem to list linux
Nov 26 09:17:40 <sakkara_> no idea...
Nov 26 09:17:53 <lindi-> Ainulindale: any idea what kernel SHR was using around nov 17?
Nov 26 09:22:09 <sakkara_> lindi-: it was the uImage.bin from nov17, it was latest until yesterday i think
Nov 26 09:22:25 <lindi-> sakkara_: not very descriptive name :)
Nov 26 09:22:45 <lindi-> sakkara_: how do i get it?
Nov 26 09:23:24 <lindi-> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ has uimages from 25th
Nov 26 09:24:16 <sakkara_> i can upload it somewhere if you want
Nov 26 09:24:19 <richy> lindi-: is it recommended to use them? instead of mwester unstable?
Nov 26 09:24:34 <richy> good morning, btw
Nov 26 09:24:53 <lindi-> richy: i have no idea, i am only trying to narrow down where a particular bug occurs
Nov 26 09:25:11 <lindi-> sakkara_: only the version number would be enough
Nov 26 09:25:51 <sakkara_> lindi-: do i get it out of a a bin without flashing it?
Nov 26 09:29:07 <lindi-> sakkara_: $ scangzip 0 < uImage.bin | strings | grep "Linux version"
Nov 26 09:29:07 <lindi-> 0: found potential gzip header at offset 0x3454
Nov 26 09:29:07 <lindi-> Linux version 2.6.24-20081103.git7172ec57 (gismo@agricola) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1) ) #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 12 23:54:02 UTC 2008
Nov 26 09:35:19 <sakkara_> lindi-: Linux version 2.6.24
Nov 26 09:35:43 <sakkara_> Linux version 2.6.24 (shr@opmbuild) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Mon Nov 17 17:13:49 CET 2008
Nov 26 09:35:45 <lindi-> sakkara_: it does not mention anything about which git commit it is?
Nov 26 09:35:57 <lindi-> hrm, that is pretty much useless
Nov 26 09:36:26 <lindi-> richy: do you know how i could get the source code of the kernel SHR used on nov 17? ;)
Nov 26 09:37:57 <richy> lindi-: sorry no idea. I suppose it's to be found in git somehow
Nov 26 09:46:11 <Ainulindale> lindi-: the same it uses today
Nov 26 09:47:21 <lindi-> Ainulindale: 'uImage-2.6.24+r10+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin  25-Nov-2008 09:28 1.8M'
Nov 26 09:47:42 <Ainulindale> Same git rev for the 17th
Nov 26 09:48:13 <lindi-> ok
Nov 26 09:48:14 <lindi-> thanks
Nov 26 09:48:18 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Nov 26 09:48:28 <lindi-> Ainulindale: any idea how i could have found this information?
Nov 26 09:48:36 <lindi-> i tried looking around the shr.git
Nov 26 09:49:49 <Ainulindale> The kernel version?
Nov 26 09:49:58 <Ainulindale> We use the latest stable declared in sane-srcrev from OE
Nov 26 09:55:19 <Hire> with the lastest update
Nov 26 09:55:24 <Hire> i get the "old" illume theme
Nov 26 09:57:14 <richy> where can I find the improved keyboard- files again? Will they be included someday?
Nov 26 10:01:42 <lindi-> richy: for what keyboard program?
Nov 26 10:02:13 <richy> lindi-: for the "default" and "numbers" keyboard in SHR
Nov 26 10:02:26 <richy> gotta jet, cya 
Nov 26 10:02:40 <Ainulindale> Hire: that's normal, it's replaced
Nov 26 10:02:49 <Ainulindale> I'll figure out a way to fix that with raster though I have an idea
Nov 26 10:02:50 <Hire> i know 
Nov 26 10:02:54 <lindi-> raster: which keyboard app is that?
Nov 26 10:03:01 <Ainulindale> raster: If you're there...
Nov 26 10:03:08 <lindi-> sorry, i meant richy which just parted(?)
Nov 26 10:04:40 <Ainulindale> Hire: To me this is a matter of providing illume config instead of illume
Nov 26 10:04:46 <Ainulindale> Kind of what I did with frameworkd-shr-config
Nov 26 10:04:49 <Ainulindale> Which I didn't test yet
Nov 26 10:05:26 <Hire> eheh in fact with that is much better :)
Nov 26 10:05:35 <Ainulindale> With what?
Nov 26 10:06:00 <Hire> with illume config :D
Nov 26 10:07:27 <Hire> the point is you can provide more than one package for illume with several theme or e.cfg 
Nov 26 10:07:29 <Ainulindale> Ok, I know how to do that.
Nov 26 10:07:37 <Ainulindale> Yes, I was checking that.
Nov 26 10:07:39 <Ainulindale> I'll do that.
Nov 26 10:10:33 <Ainulindale> Oh, I'm happy, my frameworkd-shr-config package went in as needed
Nov 26 10:10:49 <Ainulindale> Though fso-gpsd didn't.
Nov 26 10:11:32 <Hire> eheh :D
Nov 26 10:11:51 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz?
Nov 26 10:12:04 <Ainulindale> or alphaone
Nov 26 10:14:44 <Ainulindale> I'll package the theme for our stuff too
Nov 26 10:15:01 <Hire> ok :)
Nov 26 10:15:51 <Hire> a bad issue
Nov 26 10:16:25 <Hire> is that blanking that i can't disable via frameworkd
Nov 26 10:17:11 <Ainulindale> There are two blanking time
Nov 26 10:17:15 <Ainulindale> illume and frameworkd
Nov 26 10:18:33 <Hire> i disabled the blanking time of illume too
Nov 26 10:18:57 <Ainulindale> Show me your frameworkd.log 
Nov 26 10:19:01 <Ainulindale> (with a blanking)
Nov 26 10:19:09 <Ainulindale> I'll try to fix that today, it's a pain and I know that
Nov 26 10:19:21 <Ainulindale> Is navit working properly?
Nov 26 10:19:32 <Ainulindale> Do you want commit access to the overlay to bump the rev?
Nov 26 10:19:42 <Hire> if you want, yes :)
Nov 26 10:19:49 <Ainulindale> Ok I'll put you there too then
Nov 26 10:19:55 <Hire> but you don't have passed that flag 
Nov 26 10:20:05 <Hire> --enable svg2png etc etc
Nov 26 10:20:09 <Ainulindale> Yes i have
Nov 26 10:20:15 <Hire> uhm
Nov 26 10:20:22 <Hire> ok, don't worry, i will work on that 
Nov 26 10:20:24 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/openembedded-shr-git.diff <=
Nov 26 10:20:34 <Ainulindale> That's the diff
Nov 26 10:20:36 <Ainulindale> The flag is there
Nov 26 10:21:18 <Ainulindale> (ah, the diff isn't up to date, let me regenerate it)
Nov 26 10:21:25 <Hire> +EXTRA_AUTORECONF = " -I m4 --enable-svg2png-scaling-flag=32"
Nov 26 10:21:30 <Hire> you are right
Nov 26 10:21:33 <Hire> this is weird
Nov 26 10:21:41 <Hire> i will talk about it with cp15
Nov 26 10:21:51 <Ainulindale> Done
Nov 26 10:22:08 <Ainulindale> Hmmmm
Nov 26 10:22:11 <Ainulindale> Weird
Nov 26 10:22:16 <Ainulindale> It shouldn't be in AUTORECONF
Nov 26 10:22:19 <Ainulindale> but in OECONF
Nov 26 10:22:33 <Hire> mmm
Nov 26 10:23:45 <Ainulindale> wait a minute
Nov 26 10:23:53 <Ainulindale> There's a package from UPS
Nov 26 10:24:15 <Hire> log level: you prefer info or debug?
Nov 26 10:24:48 <Hire> your books has been arrived :D
Nov 26 10:29:53 <Ainulindale> Yeah :-)
Nov 26 10:29:58 <Ainulindale> My Sandman and my DVDs :-)
Nov 26 10:30:09 <Ainulindale> Put debug in the log level
Nov 26 10:31:07 <Ainulindale> Ok the patch is good
Nov 26 10:31:42 <Ainulindale> Hey stefan_schmidt :-)
Nov 26 10:32:16 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I've some stuff for you to change in task-fso-compliance :-)
Nov 26 10:32:22 <Ainulindale> Or to add to the image
Nov 26 10:32:28 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: As expected. :)
Nov 26 10:32:39 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Why did we give you commit access? ;)
Nov 26 10:32:42 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: hi
Nov 26 10:33:01 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I don't know if I have commit access yet :-)
Nov 26 10:33:03 <Ainulindale> But anyway
Nov 26 10:33:13 <Ainulindale> You should put PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gpsd = "fso-gpsd" somewhere
Nov 26 10:33:27 <Ainulindale> It doesn't get in the image now
Nov 26 10:33:38 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Why should you not? You got acked on the ml and mickey should have cared about your key
Nov 26 10:33:46 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: and I started to produce a diff patch of our OE tree on shr.bearstech.com
Nov 26 10:33:52 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: No idea, I'll check :-)
Nov 26 10:34:13 <Ainulindale> But I'd rather bug you
Nov 26 10:34:18 <Ainulindale> Heh :->
Nov 26 10:34:18 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 26 10:34:23 <stefan_schmidt> As expected. ;)
Nov 26 10:34:23 <Ainulindale> Well anyway
Nov 26 10:34:31 <Ainulindale> I cleaned our build process, cleaned our OE tmp dir
Nov 26 10:34:34 <Ainulindale> And now it's working fine
Nov 26 10:34:45 <Ainulindale> I ended up yesterday making, at last, a frameworkd-shr-config package
Nov 26 10:34:47 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, the gpsd stuff comes from the fact that we have removed the REPLACE in fso-gpsd
Nov 26 10:35:10 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: a PREFERRED_PROVIDER should be nice
Nov 26 10:35:16 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: in fact, a image-fso.bbclass should be nice too
Nov 26 10:35:21 <Ainulindale> with all the necessary tasks
Nov 26 10:35:38 <Ainulindale> (and PREFERRED_*)
Nov 26 10:36:24 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: for navit, by the way, I locally disabled the speech-dispatcher pulseaudio flag
Nov 26 10:36:24 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: I thought mickey|zzZZzz used task-fso-compliance for this? Why would we need a real bbclass?
Nov 26 10:36:30 <Ainulindale> Don't know if this is of interest to you
Nov 26 10:36:30 <stefan_schmidt> Any python magic involved?
Nov 26 10:36:40 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: oh just to inherit image-fso
Nov 26 10:36:47 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: (navit) faster then?
Nov 26 10:36:49 <Ainulindale> and have IMAGE_INSTALL +=" task-fso-compliance" in it, etc
Nov 26 10:36:57 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: faster, I don't know
Nov 26 10:37:04 <Ainulindale> Not deadlocking frameworkd, I know
Nov 26 10:37:17 <stefan_schmidt> That is also a good reason :)
Nov 26 10:37:27 <Ainulindale> (speech-dispatcher with pulseaudio was deadlocking oeventsd/gst)
Nov 26 10:37:39 <stefan_schmidt> I leave bbclass for mickey
Nov 26 10:37:46 <Ainulindale> I'm currently in the process of making e-wm-config-illume-shr
Nov 26 10:37:49 <stefan_schmidt> Can put PREFFERED in now
Nov 26 10:37:59 <Ainulindale> Put PREFERRED then
Nov 26 10:38:01 <Ainulindale> It'll be better
Nov 26 10:38:03 <Ainulindale> (than PREFFERED)
Nov 26 10:38:27 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Own config? We had trouble with this for FSO. Illume is a fast moving target...
Nov 26 10:39:24 <Ainulindale> We've been using our own config for a month now
Nov 26 10:39:33 <Ainulindale> And I'm willing to threat raster if too many changes get in
Nov 26 10:39:57 <Ainulindale> Though I just want to do that to allow the users to change our config
Nov 26 10:40:08 <Ainulindale> And to get past updates
Nov 26 10:40:14 <Ainulindale> (updates are killing the conf, indeed)
Nov 26 10:40:56 <Hire> Ainulindale: now it is weird... i restarted frameworkd and the screen is always up 
Nov 26 10:41:31 <Ainulindale> I bet you didn't restarted it before
Nov 26 10:41:37 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: If you feel confident dealing with changes from upstream you have to take care off in the config, go ahead.
Nov 26 10:41:48 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I don't feel confident dealing with that
Nov 26 10:41:50 <Ainulindale> I just feel it's necessary
Nov 26 10:41:56 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 26 10:42:02 <Hire> i restarted it previously :|
Nov 26 10:42:11 <Ainulindale> Hire: seems you didn't :-)
Nov 26 10:42:18 <Hire> but I did it :(
Nov 26 10:55:24 <raster> muhahahah
Nov 26 10:57:52 <Hire> oi raster
Nov 26 10:58:06 <Hire> Ainulindale pings you before ...
Nov 26 10:58:38 <Ainulindale> Hey raster :-)
Nov 26 10:58:38 * raster pongs
Nov 26 10:58:48 <Ainulindale> raster: currently doing a package for the illume SHR config
Nov 26 10:58:54 <Ainulindale> Just wishing to be sure
Nov 26 10:59:05 <Ainulindale> I just have to use eet and keep the config/ dir right?
Nov 26 10:59:17 <raster> yes
Nov 26 10:59:37 <raster> also it alldepends what other config profiles you want to ship
Nov 26 11:00:26 <Ainulindale> I don't want to ship any
Nov 26 11:00:28 <Ainulindale> But mine
Nov 26 11:00:31 <Ainulindale> (for now)
Nov 26 11:00:39 <Ainulindale> I'm tired to answer 'which profile should I use?'
Nov 26 11:00:45 <Ainulindale> +to
Nov 26 11:01:39 <raster> then ship only default + shr
Nov 26 11:01:47 <raster> default is for the wizard setup
Nov 26 11:02:04 <Ainulindale> THat's what I do :-)
Nov 26 11:02:10 <raster> you could ship multiple each with different theme/wallpaper/etc. config setups
Nov 26 11:02:18 <raster> if you want
Nov 26 11:02:26 <raster> i like to give the users choice
Nov 26 11:03:03 <Ainulindale> Yes, in the end I'll do that
Nov 26 11:03:21 <Ainulindale> What should I do to ship a profile, in particular?
Nov 26 11:03:28 <Ainulindale> Just adding a directory with the good structure will be enough?
Nov 26 11:03:42 <raster> yup
Nov 26 11:03:48 <raster> all e does is scan that dir tree
Nov 26 11:03:53 <Ainulindale> Ok that's great then
Nov 26 11:03:56 <Ainulindale> i'll build illume-shr :-)
Nov 26 11:03:59 <raster> the .desktop file can provide a description and lable
Nov 26 11:04:05 <Ainulindale> Yep, I guessed that much
Nov 26 11:04:06 <raster> with icon etc. etc.
Nov 26 11:04:35 <Ainulindale> That way I'll ship with illume, default, and illume-shr
Nov 26 11:04:39 <raster> i've tried to make it easy for "integrators" to ship things they like and present them to the user
Nov 26 11:04:46 <raster> ytou could even modify default if you want
Nov 26 11:04:54 <raster> though i wouldn't recommend it at this stage
Nov 26 11:05:13 <raster> standard/scalable/netbook etc. are not for the FR
Nov 26 11:05:17 <raster> or "unlikely"
Nov 26 11:05:21 <Ainulindale> I removed them already
Nov 26 11:05:32 <raster> if you really want your phone to be a desktop on a tiiiny screen
Nov 26 11:05:37 <raster> then u could want "standard"
Nov 26 11:05:42 <raster> but.. i find it very strange
Nov 26 11:06:19 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 26 11:06:20 <Hire> strange is cool
Nov 26 11:06:29 <raster> in general SHR probably wants to be very similar to the ilume config
Nov 26 11:06:32 <raster> with a few changes
Nov 26 11:06:46 <Ainulindale> raster: By the way
Nov 26 11:06:56 <Ainulindale> It seems exquisite generates problem
Nov 26 11:07:01 <Ainulindale> It's twice slower to boot with it
Nov 26 11:07:02 <raster> ?
Nov 26 11:07:08 <Ainulindale> (based on user comments)
Nov 26 11:07:33 <raster> that's interesting
Nov 26 11:07:50 <raster> i know it will force loading of shared libs and other things early in boot
Nov 26 11:08:04 <raster> thus be a bigger gap between kernel start + exquisite ui
Nov 26 11:08:20 <Ainulindale> raster: when I say twice the time
Nov 26 11:08:22 <raster> but that shared lib loading would be done later anyway
Nov 26 11:08:22 <Ainulindale> It's huge
Nov 26 11:08:26 <Ainulindale> 1m30 to 3m
Nov 26 11:08:34 <Ainulindale> In order to have the icons
Nov 26 11:08:39 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_ did the witnessing
Nov 26 11:08:41 <Ainulindale> I didn't test it myself
Nov 26 11:08:47 <raster> thats very odd
Nov 26 11:08:56 <raster> unless exquisite is eating cpu
Nov 26 11:09:03 <raster> which i'd find very strange
Nov 26 11:09:49 <raster> maybe the pulsating glow really does have a big impact
Nov 26 11:09:55 <Ainulindale> No idea
Nov 26 11:10:07 <raster> what theme do you use?
Nov 26 11:10:07 <Ainulindale> Have a look at the shr-devel list raster 
Nov 26 11:10:10 <Ainulindale> He talked about it
Nov 26 11:10:18 <Ainulindale> Same you use
Nov 26 11:10:20 <raster> i'm not on it
Nov 26 11:10:27 <raster> i'll have to dig through archives
Nov 26 11:10:30 <raster> hmm
Nov 26 11:10:30 <Ainulindale> It's recent
Nov 26 11:10:33 <Ainulindale> mail form yesterday
Nov 26 11:10:34 <raster> then it might be the glow
Nov 26 11:10:36 <Ainulindale> s/for/fro/
Nov 26 11:10:46 <raster> well. - i can't really reply :)
Nov 26 11:10:50 <Ainulindale> Yes you can
Nov 26 11:10:52 <Ainulindale> I'm the moderator
Nov 26 11:10:53 <raster> not susbscribed
Nov 26 11:10:58 <Ainulindale> I'll add to the white list
Nov 26 11:11:01 <Ainulindale> +you
Nov 26 11:11:07 <Ainulindale> By the way my config package seems to work nicely
Nov 26 11:11:12 <raster> cool
Nov 26 11:11:31 <raster> well exquisite slowing things only makes sense for:
Nov 26 11:11:42 <raster> 1. its animating so much that its using valuable cpu cycles slowing boot
Nov 26 11:11:52 <raster> 2. its doign so much extra IO that this is taken from boot
Nov 26 11:12:00 <Ainulindale> This may be due to boot from SD
Nov 26 11:12:04 <raster> 3. something totally bizarre
Nov 26 11:12:17 <Ainulindale> 4. you drank too much beer that day
Nov 26 11:12:19 <raster> 1. might be true
Nov 26 11:12:33 <raster> but i kept the animation very small hoping it'd use maybe 10-15% cpu at most
Nov 26 11:12:34 <Hire> ok... i tested deforoas and it is nice and works. i tested it with a raster's avi but it is soooo slow, the glamo sux pretty bad
Nov 26 11:12:38 <raster> and thus you pay a small price
Nov 26 11:13:02 <Ainulindale> raster: Well I was wondering about removing it altogether
Nov 26 11:13:12 <raster> 2. - only "Extra" io would be for the exquisite binary (tiny) and the theme (also very small)
Nov 26 11:13:14 <Ainulindale> At least for testing purposes
Nov 26 11:13:29 <raster> the rest of the IO needs to be done anyway - either at start of boot or later when x starts
Nov 26 11:13:35 <raster> sure
Nov 26 11:13:42 <raster> its there just to pretty up the boot
Nov 26 11:13:58 <raster> you can use psplash too
Nov 26 11:14:03 <raster> but thats harder to theme
Nov 26 11:14:18 <raster> and much less adpatable to different resolutions/targets
Nov 26 11:14:31 <raster> if you can get the kernel to leave the fb alone
Nov 26 11:14:33 <raster> until x starts
Nov 26 11:14:40 <raster> then you can just rely on the uboot splash
Nov 26 11:15:19 <Ainulindale> Well I'll check that after lunch
Nov 26 11:15:29 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: wrt fso-gpsd. There is already a RDEPENDS on it in task-fso-compliance. What makes you think that we need a preferred provider?
Nov 26 11:17:05 <sakkara_> Ainulindale: could you change line 10 in /etc/mofi/connect.sh to "udhcpc eth0 -H `hostname`"  so you can ssh root@om-gta02 and not only ip
Nov 26 11:17:50 <raster> Ainulindale: is this before the fontconfig  changes?
Nov 26 11:18:08 <raster> ie move fontconfig cache to a persistent disk location
Nov 26 11:18:25 <raster> i timed fontconfig font scanning + cache generation to take about 20 seconds
Nov 26 11:22:52 <stefan_schmidt> raster: This change is already in OE upstream
Nov 26 11:22:56 <stefan_schmidt> raster: yo
Nov 26 11:23:14 <stefan_schmidt> raster: How do you like to process with your outstanding patches?
Nov 26 11:23:17 <raster> thats what i thought
Nov 26 11:23:33 <raster> stefan_schmidt: i thoght they are waiting review from mickey
Nov 26 11:23:52 <stefan_schmidt> raster: All E stuff is in. See my last mail to this topic
Nov 26 11:24:13 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Only some local hacks and non-E stuff is not in yet.
Nov 26 11:24:32 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I was waiting for a reply from you on this before doing more work. :)
Nov 26 11:25:11 <raster> aaah i need to rebase
Nov 26 11:25:24 <raster> i need to do that
Nov 26 11:25:30 <raster> i've kind fo ignored it the last week or 2
Nov 26 11:26:00 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Sure, take your time
Nov 26 11:26:15 <raster> let me rebase to see whats left
Nov 26 11:26:32 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Just ping me when you are ready and have all of your stuff wokring again. Than we can start to sort out the latest patches
Nov 26 11:26:45 <raster> yeah
Nov 26 11:26:57 <raster> right nwo thats probably most of my "main" stuff
Nov 26 11:27:03 <raster> future will be smaller
Nov 26 11:27:08 <raster> but who knows
Nov 26 11:27:16 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I will have no time for it until the weekend anyway
Nov 26 11:27:18 <raster> i may find more oe-stuff to fix/hack/break
Nov 26 11:27:19 <raster> :)
Nov 26 11:27:23 <raster> don worry
Nov 26 11:27:30 <raster> me neither.
Nov 26 11:27:30 <stefan_schmidt> raster: For sure you will. :)
Nov 26 11:28:11 <stefan_schmidt> I think the xmodmap for palm treo should be next. Getting better device support for it. Then we can try to kill the other patches one by one
Nov 26 11:29:03 <raster> yeah
Nov 26 11:29:14 <raster> i think i'd probably be one of the primary users for the treo650 stuff
Nov 26 11:29:19 <raster> i dont know of that many who do
Nov 26 11:29:26 <raster> considering how much was actually broken for it
Nov 26 11:29:30 <raster> it hasnt gotten much love at all
Nov 26 11:30:19 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Yup, that sadly happens often. People put it in, use it some time, loose interest, OE changes, machine breaks
Nov 26 11:30:25 <stefan_schmidt> Normal software life
Nov 26 11:30:28 <raster> yeah
Nov 26 11:30:28 <stefan_schmidt> bitrot :)
Nov 26 11:30:40 <raster> so chances are anything i do for treo650 is probablky "necessary"
Nov 26 11:30:48 <raster> but defintiely review in case i do things wrong
Nov 26 11:30:54 <raster> i may not do things the "oe way"
Nov 26 11:31:01 <raster> as i just am trying to find a solution and i found one
Nov 26 11:31:05 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Sure, we will have a look
Nov 26 11:31:19 <raster> for efl stuff tho i probably will generally know what i'm doing :)
Nov 26 11:31:36 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Most of your patches were fine without any change. Pretty good quality.
Nov 26 11:31:38 <raster> (as packaging changes are made because of source changes and should reflect the intended usage)
Nov 26 11:31:44 <stefan_schmidt> :)
Nov 26 11:31:44 <raster> cool
Nov 26 11:31:49 <raster> so my commit comments were fine?
Nov 26 11:32:04 <stefan_schmidt> raster: yes
Nov 26 11:32:23 <stefan_schmidt> raster: style wise and verbose wise.
Nov 26 11:32:34 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I was pleases compared to the one I read in E svn ;)
Nov 26 11:32:44 <stefan_schmidt> just kidding
Nov 26 11:33:00 <raster> hahahaha
Nov 26 11:33:23 <stefan_schmidt> Lecture is calling. Later guys
Nov 26 11:33:26 <raster> i normally just go "read the diff!"
Nov 26 11:33:27 <raster> :)
Nov 26 11:33:30 <raster> ciao!
Nov 26 11:34:09 <Hire> ciao ehe
Nov 26 11:35:20 <DocScrutinizer> raster: Hi :-)))
Nov 26 11:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> stefan_schmidt schon wieder weg :-(
Nov 26 11:35:55 <Hire> ainulindale: i tested deforoas... it is nice and works. i tested with a raster's avi but because the glamo sucks pretty bad mplayer shows the video pretty slow
Nov 26 11:36:09 <Hire> now I want to test a mp3
Nov 26 11:37:00 <raster> DocScrutinizer:  joooergz!
Nov 26 11:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> moin!!
Nov 26 11:37:22 <Weiss> mwester: thanks for the reply. just wondered whether i should file a bug report or not, but it seems not
Nov 26 11:37:40 <Weiss> mwester: it confused me a lot trying to get the packaging right for the latest version of OpenMooCow :)
Nov 26 11:37:51 <raster> Hire:  never heard of deforoas
Nov 26 11:38:16 <DocScrutinizer2> ich mach edz feierabend ;-)
Nov 26 11:38:27 <Hire> raster: it is a simple frontend for mplayer
Nov 26 11:39:27 <raster> aah
Nov 26 11:41:39 <DocScrutinizer2> raster: how's living, what about new house?
Nov 26 11:41:49 <raster> havent moved yet
Nov 26 11:41:55 <DocScrutinizer2> ohh
Nov 26 11:41:58 <raster> will early decenber
Nov 26 11:42:09 <raster> well lease starts dec 6
Nov 26 11:42:17 <raster> will probably do the full move dec 11
Nov 26 11:42:53 <DocScrutinizer2> still in tpe on 11, can't come to help ;-)
Nov 26 11:43:54 <raster> hahahaha
Nov 26 11:43:55 <raster> thats ok
Nov 26 11:43:59 <raster> i'll survive
Nov 26 11:44:00 <raster> :)
Nov 26 11:59:22 <Ainulindale> Here I am again
Nov 26 11:59:30 <alfa21> me too :D
Nov 26 12:01:07 <Ainulindale> raster: my profile works well, I just have to use our "old" profile and it'll be good
Nov 26 12:01:15 <Ainulindale> raster: is there a way to decompile cfgs?
Nov 26 12:01:40 <Sup3rkiddo> i still dont get the "small penis" joke
Nov 26 12:01:51 <Ainulindale> Nevermind :-)
Nov 26 12:02:28 <raster> Ainulindale:  eet -d file.cfg config output.txt
Nov 26 12:02:50 <Ainulindale> Nice :-)
Nov 26 12:02:55 <Ainulindale> ANd by the way
Nov 26 12:03:04 <raster> you can re-encode similarly
Nov 26 12:03:05 <Ainulindale> Is edje-utils truly necessary on the device?
Nov 26 12:03:14 <raster> yes
Nov 26 12:03:32 <raster> if you ever want to decompile.recompile a theme on the device
Nov 26 12:03:36 <raster> (and dont have a desktop)
Nov 26 12:03:40 <raster> AND for settign wallpapers
Nov 26 12:03:47 <raster> whihc right now you dont use from e's config
Nov 26 12:03:51 <raster> as the ui isnt that usable
Nov 26 12:03:55 <raster> but i'm going to work on that
Nov 26 12:03:59 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Nov 26 12:04:14 <Ainulindale> Then if I don't want to decompile/recompile on the device it's not necessary
Nov 26 12:04:25 <raster> wallpapers build a .edj file to store the image (optional) and the scaling/tiling/filling options
Nov 26 12:04:32 <Ainulindale> Is there a way to do otherwise?
Nov 26 12:04:36 <raster> no
Nov 26 12:04:44 <raster> e only accepts edj files for wallpapers
Nov 26 12:04:44 <Ainulindale> Too bad
Nov 26 12:04:51 <Ainulindale> edje-utils implies cpp
Nov 26 12:04:56 <Ainulindale> I don't like having cpp on my device
Nov 26 12:05:09 <raster> as basically that also encodes the display params
Nov 26 12:05:22 <raster> whihc a .jpg does not
Nov 26 12:05:58 <Ainulindale> Do you happen to know the package name of eet? :-)
Nov 26 12:06:03 <pb__> Ainulindale: cpp doesn't have to be as huge as all that.  you should be able to find some old cpp implementation that's a tolerable size.
Nov 26 12:06:08 <raster> and yes
Nov 26 12:06:10 <raster> you need cpp
Nov 26 12:06:11 <raster> BUT
Nov 26 12:06:16 <pb__> it's just an implementation quirk of modern gcc that you have to haul in the whole compiler to get cpp.
Nov 26 12:06:16 <raster> cpp can be split FROM all of gcc
Nov 26 12:06:18 <raster> easily
Nov 26 12:06:28 <raster> in fact most desktop distros have a specific cpp package
Nov 26 12:07:01 <Ainulindale> pb__: Interesting
Nov 26 12:07:40 <pb__> Ainulindale: I can't remember exactly when gcc's cpp was refactored but I'm pretty sure that 2.95 had a standalone cpp.  maybe early 3.x did as well.
Nov 26 12:07:58 <raster> i've build a specific cpp before just for e
Nov 26 12:08:01 <Ainulindale> (by the way, can't seem to find eet on my device or packages)
Nov 26 12:08:16 <raster> in fact
Nov 26 12:08:24 <raster> in e16's src tree is a cpp
Nov 26 12:08:30 <raster> in e/epp
Nov 26 12:08:34 <pb__> there's also something called 'mcpp' in debian which seems to be a standalone cpp, no idea how well it works though
Nov 26 12:08:35 <raster> its < 10k lines fo c src
Nov 26 12:08:39 <raster> stand-alone
Nov 26 12:08:41 <raster> only need libc
Nov 26 12:08:46 <raster> binary is tiny
Nov 26 12:09:02 <Ainulindale> If you can package that raster I'm interested :-)
Nov 26 12:09:14 <raster> well its part of e16's build tree
Nov 26 12:09:15 <Ainulindale> Hire?
Nov 26 12:09:16 <raster> its not split out
Nov 26 12:09:25 <raster> but its just an example of a cpp that doesn tneed all of gcc
Nov 26 12:09:29 <Hire> yeah?
Nov 26 12:09:31 <raster> cpp is really just a text processor
Nov 26 12:09:39 <Ainulindale> Hire: I'm going to build a illume-theme-shr
Nov 26 12:09:44 <raster> can strip ouit comments and handle #define and #include etc. stuff
Nov 26 12:09:47 <Ainulindale> If you wish to work on that
Nov 26 12:09:55 <raster> there are many choices for stand-alone cpp's
Nov 26 12:10:07 <raster> which you choose - i don't know
Nov 26 12:10:16 <raster> but i used cpp because x alreayd uses it
Nov 26 12:10:18 <Hire> Ainulindale: for me it is ok
Nov 26 12:10:45 <raster> xrdb (x resource database) uses cpp to pre-process your .Xdefaults
Nov 26 12:10:47 <raster> for example
Nov 26 12:11:04 <raster> so as such u'd be needing a cpp for x generally anyway
Nov 26 12:11:10 <Ainulindale> raster: I'm just trying to remove useless stuff in fact
Nov 26 12:11:15 <raster> yeah
Nov 26 12:11:19 <Ainulindale> I still didn't figure out a way to ship locales properly either
Nov 26 12:11:20 <raster> but edje-utils isnt useless
Nov 26 12:11:23 <raster> it is needed
Nov 26 12:11:38 <Ainulindale> pb__: if you have ideas about that I'm interested in some :-)
Nov 26 12:11:49 <Ainulindale> wrt the image generated
Nov 26 12:12:06 <pb__> Ainulindale: can you remind me where you got to so far?
Nov 26 12:12:14 <Ainulindale> well
Nov 26 12:12:26 <Ainulindale> I wiped out tmp, rebuilt everything using tasks
Nov 26 12:12:28 <Ainulindale> It's working fine
Nov 26 12:12:40 <Ainulindale> lite image is built with LINGUAS='en-us'
Nov 26 12:12:45 <Ainulindale> non lite with LINGUAS=""
Nov 26 12:12:59 <Ainulindale> In both cases
Nov 26 12:13:06 <Ainulindale> I ship with all the glibc binary locale data
Nov 26 12:14:19 <Ainulindale> (damn can't find the eet package on the buildhost)
Nov 26 12:18:53 <Ainulindale> pb__: and I'm interested in comments on http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/e-wm-config-illume-shr/e-wm-config-illume-shr.bb;h=a958c9575eed68c1158f4a3c02ed203ee9b7a056;hb=HEAD
Nov 26 12:19:02 <Ainulindale> (Is there a way to do that in a cleaner way?)
Nov 26 12:31:14 <pb__> Ainulindale: I have to go out for lunch now but I'll look at that when I get back.
Nov 26 12:31:18 <pb__> probably about 1 hour
Nov 26 12:31:18 <Ainulindale> Thanks :-)
Nov 26 12:36:01 <Ainulindale> raster: for themes, is it the same to build?
Nov 26 12:36:03 <Ainulindale> edje-cc etc?
Nov 26 12:36:10 <Ainulindale> Is it truly necessary to have data/themes/fonts?
Nov 26 12:47:18 <raster> same
Nov 26 12:47:19 <raster> edje_cc
Nov 26 12:47:22 <raster> no need for fonts
Nov 26 12:47:31 <raster> its optional - you can encode fonts into the .edj if u want
Nov 26 12:50:35 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Nov 26 13:08:49 <mmp_> Hello, is there any repository containing python-glib bindings?
Nov 26 13:09:33 <Ainulindale> SHR or FSO
Nov 26 13:11:35 <Ainulindale> Hire: theme package is here
Nov 26 13:12:17 <Hire> yes I see
Nov 26 13:14:18 <Ainulindale> It'll be easy to copy for other themes
Nov 26 13:20:02 <mmp_> hmm, or any gnome-vfs packages available? :)
Nov 26 13:20:30 <mmp_> argh, bindings for python
Nov 26 13:21:28 <Ainulindale> mmp_: AS I told you, python-glib bindings are on the SHR buildhost
Nov 26 13:21:36 <Ainulindale> gnome-vfs too IIRC
Nov 26 13:22:17 <mmp_> Ainulindale: hmm, I didn't notice where/when you told me...
Nov 26 13:23:24 <mmp_> Ainulindale: but thanks a lot; that's one piece missing to have my python app working properly :)
Nov 26 13:24:29 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Nov 26 13:24:52 <Ainulindale> Hire: Regenerating an image, with hopefully everything
Nov 26 13:25:15 <bumbl> Ainulindale: do you know when we will see opimd in maingit?
Nov 26 13:25:20 <Hire> i will test it :)
Nov 26 13:25:22 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 26 13:26:04 <mickey|ezx> morning
Nov 26 13:26:04 <Ainulindale> Hey mickey|ezx o/
Nov 26 13:26:25 <Ainulindale> mickey|ezx: if you're interested in a patch for elementary-alarm, it's on shr.bearstech.com
Nov 26 13:26:33 <Ainulindale> It's also where I'll keep our diff from OE tree in the future
Nov 26 13:26:39 <mickey|ezx> ok
Nov 26 13:26:43 <mickey|ezx> i'll take care about your oe access now
Nov 26 13:26:48 <Ainulindale> I'm not in a hurry
Nov 26 13:27:08 <Ainulindale> I generated these packages we were talking about
Nov 26 13:27:13 <Ainulindale> (conf packages)
Nov 26 13:27:20 <mickey|ezx> what's your full name again?
Nov 26 13:27:57 <Ainulindale> Julien Cassignol
Nov 26 13:28:00 <mickey|ezx> ok
Nov 26 13:28:26 <Ainulindale> (See? Initials make JC.)
Nov 26 13:38:16 <mickey|ezx> got mail
Nov 26 13:39:04 <Ainulindale> Hahaha "The award winning" :-)
Nov 26 13:39:22 <Ainulindale> mickey|ezx: Am I allowed to patch elementary-alarm?
Nov 26 13:39:40 <mickey|ezx> sure
Nov 26 13:39:49 <Ainulindale> Ok then, will do that later
Nov 26 13:39:54 <mickey|ezx> no kidding, we received an award some years ago
Nov 26 13:40:10 <mickey|ezx> i can't remember which one though
Nov 26 13:40:20 <Ainulindale> Award of outdated introduction message?
Nov 26 13:40:26 <Ainulindale> (see point 6)
Nov 26 13:40:30 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 26 13:41:07 <Ainulindale> Thanks anyway :-)
Nov 26 13:41:26 <Ainulindale> mickey|ezx: by the way
Nov 26 13:41:35 <Ainulindale> Is the multitude of tasks in SHR good?
Nov 26 13:41:44 <Ainulindale> Or should I put that in a single .bb?
Nov 26 13:42:07 <mickey|ezx> how many task recipes do you have?
Nov 26 13:42:17 <mickey|ezx> i'd say everything less than 10 is ok
Nov 26 13:42:20 <mickey|ezx> if it starts to get more
Nov 26 13:42:26 <mickey|ezx> you should package them from one .bb
Nov 26 13:42:26 <Ainulindale> One per package, just to be sure :-)
Nov 26 13:42:28 <Ainulindale> (I'm joking)
Nov 26 13:42:31 <mickey|ezx> heh
Nov 26 13:42:50 <Ainulindale> 11
Nov 26 13:43:09 <Ainulindale> So I guess I'll build one .bb one of these days
Nov 26 13:43:20 <Ainulindale> I want to stabilize the image before doing anything weird
Nov 26 13:43:28 <mickey|ezx> *nod*
Nov 26 13:43:35 <Ainulindale> mickey|ezx: by the way for speech-dispatcher/navit/pulse audio
Nov 26 13:43:45 <Ainulindale> Disabling pulse for speech-dispatcher works well
Nov 26 13:43:53 <Ainulindale> (wrt oeventsd)
Nov 26 13:43:56 <Ainulindale> Though I was wondering
Nov 26 13:43:59 <Ainulindale> How to reflact that in OE?
Nov 26 13:44:02 <Ainulindale> s/fla/fle/
Nov 26 13:44:16 <Ainulindale> As it's frameworkd specific, one could say
Nov 26 13:45:18 <Ainulindale> I'll also apply some of OM fastboot patches
Nov 26 13:45:23 <Ainulindale> I guess this won't be appliable in OE either
Nov 26 13:45:42 <mickey|ezx> (disabling pulseaudio) can't we check @ runtime?
Nov 26 13:46:01 <mickey|ezx> (fastboot) that stuff touches core files, hence needs to be discussed exhaustively
Nov 26 13:46:15 <Ainulindale> Yeah, for fastboot I guess it does, so I'll apply them locally
Nov 26 13:46:23 <Ainulindale> For pulseaudio, I have no idea, I'll check
Nov 26 13:46:30 <Ainulindale> Though I guess it would be logical
Nov 26 14:39:26 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: removed exquisite from latest images
Nov 26 14:39:31 <Ainulindale> will tell you when they're there
Nov 26 14:39:51 <mrmoku_> :) I'm doing some tests with udev right now
Nov 26 14:40:10 <Ainulindale> Thanks a lot for your work, it's truly interesting
Nov 26 14:40:48 <mrmoku_> Maybe someone could try if the speedup is the same when running from flash
Nov 26 14:41:10 <mrmoku_> could be me also ;)
Nov 26 14:41:12 <Ainulindale> I'll do that
Nov 26 14:41:17 <mrmoku_> Ahh, ok
Nov 26 14:41:52 <mrmoku_> I'm running from SD because I have strange hard-locks when running from flash
Nov 26 14:42:05 <mrmoku_> If I tap arround to fast it freezes
Nov 26 14:42:42 <Ainulindale> eh :-)
Nov 26 14:43:26 <mrmoku_> or dragging the map in tangogps too much :(
Nov 26 14:43:32 <mrmoku_> from SD everything seems to work fine
Nov 26 14:43:35 <Ainulindale> That's too bad indeed
Nov 26 14:43:44 <Ainulindale> Hire: rev 1757 of navit online
Nov 26 14:54:14 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 26 14:54:46 <Hire> oi
Nov 26 14:55:43 <mrmoku_> Ainulindale: to package something with setup.py I need to DEPEND on python-distutils?
Nov 26 14:55:55 <mrmoku_> Hi quickdev 
Nov 26 14:56:07 <quickdev> hey mrmoku_ 
Nov 26 14:56:21 <Ainulindale> Hey quickdev 
Nov 26 14:56:22 <quickdev> hey Ainulindale 
Nov 26 14:56:25 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: no
Nov 26 14:56:31 <Ainulindale> you need to inherit distutils
Nov 26 14:56:34 <Ainulindale> see python-wifi.bb
Nov 26 14:56:45 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I'll be away for a while but I'll talk to you, stay here !:-)
Nov 26 14:56:54 <mrmoku_> Ahh, thanks
Nov 26 14:57:00 <Hire> quickdev runs! it is a trap  !
Nov 26 14:57:13 <quickdev> Ainulindale, will be here the whole day...although I have to do some other things :)
Nov 26 14:59:18 <alfa21> i've a problem launching navit from shr...
Nov 26 14:59:28 <alfa21> anyone else with same problem?
Nov 26 14:59:38 <alfa21> navit
Nov 26 14:59:40 <alfa21> Enabling low-mem workaround...
Nov 26 14:59:41 <alfa21> navit:vehicle_new:invalid type 'gpsd'
Nov 26 14:59:43 <alfa21> navit:speech_new:wrong type 'cmdline'
Nov 26 14:59:45 <alfa21> navit:navit_init:no gui
Nov 26 14:59:47 <alfa21> navit:main:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml'
Nov 26 14:59:48 <alfa21> navit:main:No instance has been created, exiting
Nov 26 15:00:58 <Hire> no gui?
Nov 26 15:01:10 <alfa21> I cannot start it :(
Nov 26 15:01:12 <Hire> what are you using? internal gui? gtk?
Nov 26 15:01:16 <alfa21> gtk
Nov 26 15:02:39 <Hire> <gui type="gtk" font_size="350" icons_xs="60" icon_s="70" icon_l="70" /> <--- is it so? 
Nov 26 15:02:39 <alfa21> I could show you my configuration xml or if you have a working one ... could you pass it to me by a pastebin?
Nov 26 15:03:34 <Hire> http://pastebin.com/m79fcf020
Nov 26 15:03:45 <mokel> are the shr programs using the fso dbus bindings?
Nov 26 15:04:08 <mickey|ezx> yes
Nov 26 15:04:10 <alfa21> <gui type="gtk" font_size="350" icons_xs="60" icon_s="70" icon_l="70" /> ...seems the same
Nov 26 15:04:25 <quickdev> hey mickey|ezx 
Nov 26 15:04:34 <mickey|ezx> hi quickdev 
Nov 26 15:04:41 <mickey|ezx> hmm, CIA-59 has a day-off today...
Nov 26 15:04:45 <mickey|ezx> ~prod CIA-59 
Nov 26 15:04:48 <mokel> interesting. i watched with dbus monitor and sent a sms to ne mobilephone. on the monitor there was no message, bus the sms window popped up from shr
Nov 26 15:05:00 <mickey|ezx> mokel: did you listen on system bus?
Nov 26 15:05:03 <mokel> yes
Nov 26 15:05:09 <mokel> i saw incomings calls
Nov 26 15:05:11 <Hire> alfa21: weird
Nov 26 15:05:11 <mickey|ezx> try mdbus -s -l
Nov 26 15:05:16 <Hire> look to my pastebin
Nov 26 15:05:31 <alfa21> tnx for ur pastebin... now i'll try it
Nov 26 15:06:25 <mokel> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.IncomingStoredMessage is called, but not sms.incomingmessage
Nov 26 15:07:26 <mokel> thats mysterious
Nov 26 15:13:12 <mickey|ezx> that's expected
Nov 26 15:13:19 <mokel> ?
Nov 26 15:13:22 <alfa21> Hire: it's working!!! wow :D
Nov 26 15:13:26 <mickey|ezx> if you want IncomingMessage, you need to disable SIM buffering SMS
Nov 26 15:13:33 <mickey|ezx> see docs for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device
Nov 26 15:13:42 <Hire> yeah
Nov 26 15:13:43 <Ainulindale> Latest lite image is there, if someone's interested
Nov 26 15:13:54 <Hire> but I want to fix a bad issue with the street
Nov 26 15:14:21 <mokel> mickey|ezx: oh, thanks
Nov 26 15:14:36 <Hire> argh
Nov 26 15:14:49 <mickey|ezx> mokel: np. yes, we need more docs, but i'm glad we have reference docs at least
Nov 26 15:14:55 <mokel> :)
Nov 26 15:14:56 <mickey|ezx> step by step
Nov 26 15:15:00 <mokel> yes
Nov 26 15:17:56 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: latest lite is working
Nov 26 15:18:08 <Ainulindale> without exquisite
Nov 26 15:18:19 <alphaone> yeah, that's expected
Nov 26 15:18:21 <alphaone> as the modem is configured to buffer the SMS on the SIM
Nov 26 15:18:37 <Ainulindale> It's quicker indeed
Nov 26 15:18:41 <mickey|ezx> alphaone: working on Seminararbeit? if not, i have a problem on ezx
Nov 26 15:19:32 <bumbl> hmm alphaone or Ainulindale or mickey|ezx: gps does not work on shr (is this a known problem?)
Nov 26 15:19:45 <Ainulindale> bumbl: it works on latest
Nov 26 15:19:56 <Ainulindale> If you don't want to reflash, though you should
Nov 26 15:19:57 <bumbl> ah ok
Nov 26 15:20:06 <Ainulindale> Just do opkg remove --force-depends gpsd; opkg install fso-gpsd
Nov 26 15:20:09 <bumbl> I have to reflash anyway
Nov 26 15:20:19 <Ainulindale> Reflash will please you
Nov 26 15:20:21 <Ainulindale> it now boots in half the time
Nov 26 15:20:27 <bumbl> wow
Nov 26 15:20:43 <Ainulindale> Will be better as soon as mrmoku_ will patch stuff :-)
Nov 26 15:21:10 <bumbl> + qi it might be usable
Nov 26 15:21:29 <Ainulindale> "usable"
Nov 26 15:21:32 <Ainulindale> mind your adjectives
Nov 26 15:21:35 <Ainulindale> Or I shall spank you
Nov 26 15:22:18 <bumbl> bah
Nov 26 15:22:53 <Ainulindale> quickdev?
Nov 26 15:22:57 <soltys> ;)
Nov 26 15:23:00 <quickdev> Ainulindale, mh
Nov 26 15:23:03 <quickdev> mh?
Nov 26 15:23:07 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I packaged theme & config for illume
Nov 26 15:23:16 <quickdev> great...alreayd wanted to do that
Nov 26 15:23:16 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Including your changes of course
Nov 26 15:23:27 <Ainulindale> We ship now with default + SHR
Nov 26 15:23:37 <quickdev> perfect
Nov 26 15:23:41 <quickdev> thansk
Nov 26 15:23:46 <Ainulindale> And without scaleable and such
Nov 26 15:23:50 <Ainulindale> Without exquisite too
Nov 26 15:24:05 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Do you know how to enable the sysmenu of e?
Nov 26 15:24:09 <quickdev> exquisite was the startup bar, wasn't it?
Nov 26 15:24:15 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 26 15:24:22 <quickdev> no clue..ask raster ;)
Nov 26 15:24:30 <quickdev> or read some code :)
Nov 26 15:24:33 <Ainulindale> when he'll be there I will :-)
Nov 26 15:24:39 <Ainulindale> What about UTF support quickdev ?
Nov 26 15:25:01 <quickdev> for what? my apps?
Nov 26 15:25:04 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 26 15:25:23 <quickdev> I'll do that, but not today :)
Nov 26 15:25:28 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 26 15:25:35 <Ainulindale> We're so close
Nov 26 15:26:50 <quickdev> Ainulindale, close to release? :)
Nov 26 15:27:00 <quickdev> let's wait till I get my functions done
Nov 26 15:27:33 * mrmoku_ is trying to bitbake pythm first
Nov 26 15:29:17 <soltys> hm i should run opkg update && opkg upgrade or reflash my neo ?
Nov 26 15:31:25 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes
Nov 26 15:31:31 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: bitbake -b might be quicker
Nov 26 15:31:36 <Ainulindale> soltys: right now, I'd say reflash
Nov 26 15:31:46 <Ainulindale> I repackaged some stuff
Nov 26 15:31:49 <Ainulindale> And removed some other stuff
Nov 26 15:32:33 <soltys> Ainulindale: mhm 
Nov 26 15:33:48 <TAsn> haha, today's xkcd is rather funny ;]
Nov 26 15:34:08 <Hire> close?
Nov 26 15:34:14 <Hire> how much close? :D
Nov 26 15:43:04 <Ainulindale> Hire: well there's not that many ticket left
Nov 26 15:43:12 <Ainulindale> Hire: is navit working?
Nov 26 15:43:16 <Ainulindale> (bumped rev to 1757)
Nov 26 15:44:11 <mrmoku_> Ainulindale: would it be easy to add a symlink for the kernel to satisfy Qi?
Nov 26 15:44:20 <mrmoku_> it is looking for /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin
Nov 26 15:44:21 <Hire> Ainulindale: yes i tested it and it works
Nov 26 15:45:23 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: yep
Nov 26 15:45:38 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: do you have an OE tree to test locally?
Nov 26 15:46:26 <mrmoku_> not completely uptodate, but yes
Nov 26 15:46:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: then try to generate an image with a ln in openembedded/packages/images/shr-image or shr-lite-image
Nov 26 15:47:04 <Ainulindale> I don't know if it'll work but it should
Nov 26 15:47:27 <mrmoku_> how do I determine if it's building for gta01 / 02?
Nov 26 15:47:42 <lindi-> could somebody please nanddump /dev/mtd2 -o -b -f env.orig  and send me the uboot configuration file to me? i managed to break my uboot configuration somehow
Nov 26 15:47:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: grep MACHINE conf/*
Nov 26 15:48:05 <mrmoku_> ok
Nov 26 15:48:08 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: and with mokomakefile, make setup-machine-om-gta0x
Nov 26 15:48:52 <mrmoku_> Ahh, I was not clear. I ment for the kernel link
Nov 26 15:49:02 <mrmoku_> for GTA01 it is /boot/uImage-GTA01.bin
Nov 26 15:49:14 <Ainulindale> I know
Nov 26 15:49:21 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: check shr-image.inc
Nov 26 15:49:25 <Ainulindale> In the postprocess tasks
Nov 26 15:49:29 <Ainulindale> You can create a ln there
Nov 26 15:49:53 <Ainulindale> (there's append and such)
Nov 26 15:49:57 <Ainulindale> (depending on arch)
Nov 26 15:50:18 <mrmoku_> should have looked in the file before asking ;)
Nov 26 15:50:22 <mrmoku_> it's quite obious
Nov 26 15:50:25 <mrmoku_> +v
Nov 26 15:51:25 <Ainulindale> By the way
Nov 26 15:51:28 <Ainulindale> Did I gave you access?
Nov 26 15:51:30 <Ainulindale> (to git)
Nov 26 15:51:45 <Ainulindale> If not, send me your key, and you'll be able to commit that
Nov 26 15:52:03 <mrmoku_> ok, will do so
Nov 26 15:59:28 <bumbl> who did this? ,10]
Nov 26 15:59:28 <bumbl> [#openmoko-cdeve] who did this?
Nov 26 15:59:30 <bumbl> ,10]
Nov 26 15:59:30 <bumbl> [#openmoko-cdeve] who did this?
Nov 26 15:59:38 <bumbl> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/8500b2e3bd5e64a1edf9811ca2118671.png
Nov 26 16:01:05 <jmichel__> HI all, I don't know if I'm on the right channel but I'm trying to build native applications for Android on the FreeRunner
Nov 26 16:02:12 <jmichel__> I found a procedure and it works for the hello world example but I wanted to build busybox and the resulting binary is not working on the phone
Nov 26 16:02:22 <jmichel__> This is the procedure I followed: http://honeypod.blogspot.com/2007/12/dynamically-linked-hello-world-for.html
Nov 26 16:04:40 <Ainulindale> bumbl: BluesLee
Nov 26 16:05:40 <Ainulindale> quickdev: adding mrmoku to shr/shr-overlay. Objections?
Nov 26 16:06:07 <quickdev> Ainulindale, what for? :)
Nov 26 16:06:24 <Ainulindale> fastboot and such
Nov 26 16:08:16 <Ainulindale> quickdev: so?
Nov 26 16:08:25 <Ainulindale> (he also wants to package pythonm)
Nov 26 16:08:26 <quickdev> yeah, ok
Nov 26 16:08:29 <quickdev> great :)
Nov 26 16:08:37 <bumbl> Ainulindale: is this already included into shr?
Nov 26 16:08:56 <bumbl> or will it be included
Nov 26 16:11:51 <Ainulindale> bumbl: what?
Nov 26 16:12:12 <bumbl> the larger key buttons
Nov 26 16:12:12 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|eating: you now have access
Nov 26 16:13:31 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: so... i tried to reboot, kernel wouldnt mount vfs root as it's ext3 on the sd card, but said it would do ext2, i reformatted and put yesterdays image on, rebooted sms works fine..
Nov 26 16:13:51 <toggles_w> i have just reformatted and put todays light on, rebooting now, will let you know
Nov 26 16:14:23 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Nov 26 16:16:03 <Ainulindale> polz: currently generating latest for gta01 if you're interested
Nov 26 16:23:00 <Ainulindale> The log is fine toggles_w 
Nov 26 16:31:20 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: it'll be better here
Nov 26 16:31:39 <alfa21> Ainulindale: if I keep pressed the power button >10sec, does the OM off by the kernel (unclean) or by SHR with an "halt" command? it seems to be an hard poweroff to me...
Nov 26 16:31:58 <toggles_w> ok
Nov 26 16:32:33 <Ainulindale> alfa21: hard poweroff?
Nov 26 16:32:37 <Ainulindale> s/?/./
Nov 26 16:33:01 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: back in 30
Nov 26 16:33:02 <alfa21> ok, so how I'd power it off in clean mode?
Nov 26 16:33:11 <Ainulindale> You don't, now.
Nov 26 16:33:31 <alfa21> (by now I use a terminal and write "poweroff" or "reboot")
Nov 26 16:33:35 <sicu> shutdown -h now
Nov 26 16:33:53 <quickdev> Ainulindale, for that a sysmenu would be great (illume)...let'S ask raster this night
Nov 26 16:34:15 <Ainulindale> quickdev: already did
Nov 26 16:34:18 <sicu> it will take forever (read: 40 - 70 secs), but will eventually shutdown
Nov 26 16:34:19 <Ainulindale> And I already know there is
Nov 26 16:34:22 <Ainulindale> I just down't know how to trigger it
Nov 26 16:34:27 <quickdev> ok
Nov 26 16:34:32 <quickdev> then I'll have a look
Nov 26 16:34:33 <quickdev> one moment
Nov 26 16:34:43 <Ainulindale> quickdev: in /etc/enlightenment/sysconv.conf
Nov 26 16:34:49 <Ainulindale> there's the conf file for suspend and such
Nov 26 16:36:19 <Ainulindale> by the way quickdev, exposure won't start if I kill it, modify it
Nov 26 16:36:21 <Ainulindale> Know about that?
Nov 26 16:36:41 <quickdev> what do you modify? hehe..
Nov 26 16:36:46 <Ainulindale> Trying some stuff
Nov 26 16:41:16 <soltys> do i have to reflash again or update && upgrade will work ? ;)
Nov 26 16:41:31 <soltys> for the new illume stuf?
Nov 26 16:46:22 <Ainulindale> reflash
Nov 26 16:46:45 <Ainulindale> mickey|bbiab, alphaone?
Nov 26 16:46:51 <Hire> rm -rf .e
Nov 26 16:46:57 <Ainulindale> Hire: no, reflash
Nov 26 16:47:02 <Hire> :(
Nov 26 16:49:12 <Hire> Ainulindale: http://n2.nabble.com/About-me-td1572911.html <--- invite him on irc
Nov 26 16:49:51 <Hire> he is a dev
Nov 26 16:58:05 <sicu> Ainulindale: could be an idea to add you own profile description to the two illume profiles
Nov 26 16:58:39 <sicu> Ainulindale: i know it's not important, but you might end up not having to answer so many questions from ppl flashing ;p
Nov 26 16:58:40 <quickdev> Ainulindale, the solution is to assign a key binding to it
Nov 26 16:58:41 <Hire> but raster isn't working on a home module for illme?
Nov 26 16:58:53 <Hire> illume, jesus
Nov 26 16:58:54 <quickdev> but I don't know how to do that with AUX
Nov 26 16:59:56 <Ainulindale> quickdev: power
Nov 26 16:59:57 <Ainulindale> not aux
Nov 26 17:00:10 <Ainulindale> sicu: I did
Nov 26 17:00:17 <sicu> =]
Nov 26 17:00:17 <Ainulindale> Check the description, you'll see.
Nov 26 17:00:20 <quickdev> Ainulindale, then frameworkd shouldN't suspend on power anymore, but yes.
Nov 26 17:00:33 <Ainulindale> quickdev: already built something to allow us to do that
Nov 26 17:00:35 <Ainulindale> (frameworkd-config-shr)
Nov 26 17:00:47 <Ainulindale> currently building a GSM enabler/disabler for exposure
Nov 26 17:01:17 <quickdev> Ainulindale, http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td793191
Nov 26 17:02:00 <Ainulindale> could you sum it up? =)
Nov 26 17:02:03 <Ainulindale> I have other things to do
Nov 26 17:02:03 <sicu> Ainulindale: hmmm, i just flashed 10 mins ago, and both descriptions were the same ( jadi jadi jada embedded device jadi ja )
Nov 26 17:02:10 <Ainulindale> sicu: scroll down
Nov 26 17:02:48 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/e-wm-config-illume-shr/e-wm-config-illume-shr/profile.desktop;h=7810d1246748be294f0eadda98a9a725bd93c1e3;hb=HEAD
Nov 26 17:02:53 <Ainulindale> Or check here.
Nov 26 17:04:01 <sicu> meh .. didn't notice the bit at the end :/ ;p
Nov 26 17:04:12 <sicu> i'll crawl back under my stone now
Nov 26 17:05:02 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: I will go to the cinema tonight, so I will not be finished by tonight. But tomorrow I will do something useful for SHR :)
Nov 26 17:05:10 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: no problem :-)
Nov 26 17:06:09 <Ainulindale> And it woooooorks
Nov 26 17:06:31 <Ainulindale> quickdev: we have now a way to relaunch ophonekitd from settings, yay
Nov 26 17:08:08 <Ainulindale> Now, trying to allow users to set every timeout
Nov 26 17:08:32 <quickdev> great :)
Nov 26 17:09:44 <quickdev> Ainulindale, maybe there's some problem with X...raster already told us about it....10 weeks (or so) ago
Nov 26 17:15:54 <Ainulindale> That is?
Nov 26 17:16:00 <Ainulindale> quickdev: by the way, quick question
Nov 26 17:16:13 <quickdev> mh?
Nov 26 17:16:14 <Ainulindale> I just did the most dirty thing to enable/disable gsm
Nov 26 17:16:22 <Ainulindale> killall -9 ophonekitd that is (in settings)
Nov 26 17:16:29 <Ainulindale> I'd like to communicate with ophonekitd
Nov 26 17:16:35 <quickdev> we should do that with some kind of communication
Nov 26 17:16:37 <quickdev> yes
Nov 26 17:16:38 <Ainulindale> And get the state of the GSM in it.
Nov 26 17:16:46 <Ainulindale> I bet you'd suggest a pipe?
Nov 26 17:16:51 <quickdev> pipes/fifos/domains sockets/sockets
Nov 26 17:17:00 <sicu> ahh, hot-swapping SIM card and restarting ophonekitd worked like a charm
Nov 26 17:17:14 <Ainulindale> sockets may be a bit too much, don't you think?
Nov 26 17:17:15 <quickdev> sicu, hrr ;)
Nov 26 17:17:28 <Ainulindale> I was thinking about a named pipe
Nov 26 17:17:39 <quickdev> Ainulindale, a named pipe is a fifo, isn't it?
Nov 26 17:18:00 <Ainulindale> Can't recall, but we don't care =)
Nov 26 17:18:38 <quickdev> yes, it is
Nov 26 17:18:58 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m6c6fc4c
Nov 26 17:19:11 <Ainulindale> quickdev: see his log
Nov 26 17:19:15 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I implemented it once...for the fast app startup..do you remember?
Nov 26 17:19:29 <Ainulindale> quickdev: where could I find this, then?
Nov 26 17:19:37 <Ainulindale> Though IIRC you used pipe
Nov 26 17:20:08 <sicu> meh ... flashing resulted in my FR now emitting a nasty sound upon SMS retrieval
Nov 26 17:20:14 <quickdev> Ainulindale, no, I used a fifo..named pipe
Nov 26 17:20:14 <sicu> i should've backed up my config
Nov 26 17:20:18 <Ainulindale> sicu: yeah, too bad
Nov 26 17:20:23 <Ainulindale> quickdev: using glib?
Nov 26 17:20:26 <Ainulindale> sources?
Nov 26 17:21:58 <quickdev> Ainulindale, yeah, exactly
Nov 26 17:22:00 <bumbl> Ainulindale: is it wanted that there is no illume bootsplash
Nov 26 17:22:07 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 26 17:22:15 <Ainulindale> quickdev: please give me the sources url :-)
Nov 26 17:23:50 <quickdev> Ainulindale, you got a mail. It's just a proof of concept ;)
Nov 26 17:23:53 <quickdev> so it's quite dirty
Nov 26 17:24:33 <quickdev> Ainulindale, replace "socket" with "fifo" ;)
Nov 26 17:24:46 <Ainulindale> Ah then you already have some code for that
Nov 26 17:24:56 <Ainulindale> WHen will you be able to commit it?
Nov 26 17:25:29 <Ainulindale> I'd like to use it ASAP
Nov 26 17:25:33 <quickdev> Ainulindale, yeah..I have done it already
Nov 26 17:25:49 <quickdev> but I don't know if two way communication works
Nov 26 17:25:53 <quickdev> one should verify that
Nov 26 17:26:24 <quickdev> you know that it isn't multi-user capable, right?
Nov 26 17:26:26 <Ainulindale> Already did? Damn.
Nov 26 17:28:23 <Ainulindale> How come there's no fifo then?
Nov 26 17:28:40 <quickdev> Ainulindale, no fifo? 
Nov 26 17:28:44 <quickdev> what do you mean?
Nov 26 17:29:16 <Ainulindale> You just told me you commited it
Nov 26 17:29:23 <Ainulindale> I guess you didn't
Nov 26 17:29:26 <Ainulindale> When will you be able to?
Nov 26 17:30:10 <bumbl> Ainulindale: fdisk segfaults
Nov 26 17:31:46 <Ainulindale> That's because you're mean
Nov 26 17:32:15 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I already have code for it. That's what I said :)
Nov 26 17:32:28 <quickdev> Ainulindale, you know that it isn't multi-user capable?
Nov 26 17:32:49 <Ainulindale> What?
Nov 26 17:33:22 <sicu> bumbl: do [opkg install build-dep util-linux] and try again
Nov 26 17:33:26 <sicu> or try cfdisk
Nov 26 17:33:40 <Ainulindale> quickdev: what isn't multi-user?
Nov 26 17:34:19 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 26 17:34:34 <quickdev> Ainulindale, the fifo / named pipe
Nov 26 17:34:44 <Ainulindale> What do you mean by multiuser?
Nov 26 17:34:51 <quickdev> imagine two processes are writing / reading simultaneously
Nov 26 17:35:03 <Ainulindale> quickdev: you use a socket, don't you?
Nov 26 17:35:06 <quickdev> that could happen in future
Nov 26 17:35:21 <quickdev> no, it's a pipe. I just took the function names of some socket impmlemenation
Nov 26 17:35:23 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: no love?
Nov 26 17:35:32 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I thought you used a pipe
Nov 26 17:35:34 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: what?
Nov 26 17:35:46 <Ainulindale> quickdev: be clear, please, I can't understand at all what you mean :-)
Nov 26 17:35:52 <Ainulindale> What are you using *now*?
Nov 26 17:35:53 <Ainulindale> Pipe?
Nov 26 17:35:55 <Dave> oh snaps
Nov 26 17:36:05 <quickdev> Ainulindale, a fifo, named pipe
Nov 26 17:36:06 <BluesLee> ähm
Nov 26 17:36:09 <sicu> it's dave?
Nov 26 17:36:14 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Ok, then we should switch to socket.
Nov 26 17:36:21 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 26 17:36:23 <BluesLee> i lost the digital clock due to an upgrade
Nov 26 17:36:32 <Ainulindale> quickdev: How long do you think it'll take you to end your rework?
Nov 26 17:36:35 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: reflash
Nov 26 17:36:38 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m6c6fc4c
Nov 26 17:36:42 <Ainulindale> I modified heavily the image for the last time
Nov 26 17:36:45 <bumbl> hi BluesLee: where can I get the forbumbl keyboard?
Nov 26 17:36:55 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: ask quickdev for that
Nov 26 17:37:05 <BluesLee> bumbl: hi:-)
Nov 26 17:37:06 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: ok
Nov 26 17:37:08 <Ainulindale> It's his segv :-)
Nov 26 17:37:13 <toggles_w> quickdev: http://pastebin.com/m6c6fc4c
Nov 26 17:37:16 <toggles_w> ;-)
Nov 26 17:37:19 <quickdev> toggles_w, there will be a new version in a few days. I hope it's fixed there. Can't promise more atm.
Nov 26 17:37:25 <BluesLee> bumbl: one moment, i will paste it somewhere
Nov 26 17:37:31 <quickdev> if it's still in the new version, I'll try to fix it :)
Nov 26 17:38:53 <toggles_w> quickdev: thanks mate
Nov 26 17:39:18 <quickdev> hey MarcOChapeau 
Nov 26 17:39:32 <MarcOChapeau> quickdev: good evening :-)
Nov 26 17:39:47 <BluesLee> bumbl: backup /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Default.kbd and replace it with http://pastebin.ca/1267736
Nov 26 17:40:54 <bumbl> this will give qwertz + bigger keys? perfect ... and if you then have an german dictionary too i am happy ;)
Nov 26 17:40:58 <Dave> BluesLee!
Nov 26 17:41:09 <Dave> It's you!
Nov 26 17:41:20 <BluesLee> bumbl: sure i have, one moment
Nov 26 17:41:29 <BluesLee> Dave: ???
Nov 26 17:41:41 <BluesLee> Dave: yes, its me
Nov 26 17:41:43 <Dave> I've seen your work on scap :)
Nov 26 17:42:05 <Dave> It's very nice.
Nov 26 17:42:17 <BluesLee> thanx
Nov 26 17:43:02 <BluesLee> bumbl: search for wngerman debian package and extract the german dict
Nov 26 17:43:33 <bumbl> ok
Nov 26 17:43:39 <BluesLee> Dave: i dont know how to package that guy
Nov 26 17:44:59 <BluesLee> bumbl: scp the file Deutsch.dic to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts/ and you will be fine
Nov 26 17:46:46 <quickdev> BluesLee, is the germany dictionary really running with an acceptable speed?
Nov 26 17:47:13 <BluesLee> quickdev: no problems so far, should it be slow?
Nov 26 17:47:34 <BluesLee> quickdev: besides the overall slowness;-)
Nov 26 17:47:55 <BluesLee> quickdev: some simple apps take to much time to fire up
Nov 26 17:48:03 <bumbl> yep
Nov 26 17:48:19 <bumbl> but that's because the freerunner uses desktop software
Nov 26 17:48:22 <bumbl> for some parts
Nov 26 17:49:06 <BluesLee> hmmm
Nov 26 17:49:42 <BluesLee> i think there is an overall slowness
Nov 26 17:49:56 <sicu> Ainulindale: wohoo, shutdown -h now takes 10 secs in the newest test image, as opposed to 75 secs previously =]
Nov 26 17:49:57 <BluesLee> therefore i try to start all apps, maybe i will use a swapfile
Nov 26 17:49:57 <Dave> who uses QWERTZ ?
Nov 26 17:50:11 <Dave> sicu :)
Nov 26 17:50:22 <bumbl> Dave: german speakers
Nov 26 17:50:26 <sicu> or perhaps i just got lucky *shrug*
Nov 26 17:50:36 <BluesLee> sicu: hey, i even thought shutdown -h now wouldnt work!!!
Nov 26 17:51:13 <bumbl> ext3 vs. ext2 for 256MB rootfs on µsd? does it need journaling?
Nov 26 17:51:37 <BluesLee> Dave: you can also use that keyboard, easily switch z and y and you are fine
Nov 26 17:52:20 <BluesLee> bumbl: give me some feedback after you use kbd and dict in messages ,,,
Nov 26 17:52:51 <bumbl> BluesLee: kbd: it seems that the last ~40 pixels are cut
Nov 26 17:53:28 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 17:53:30 <BluesLee> bumbl: what do you mean?
Nov 26 17:53:32 <Dave> cool
Nov 26 17:53:37 <Dave> BluesLee, are you German?
Nov 26 17:53:41 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 26 17:53:58 <Dave> Ah :P
Nov 26 17:53:59 <Dave> Figures
Nov 26 17:54:00 <BluesLee> i am a world citizen
Nov 26 17:54:05 <Dave> hah!
Nov 26 17:54:34 <Dave> BluesLee, how do we get your sexy new theme? ;)
Nov 26 17:55:15 <BluesLee> Dave: the problem is that it is not a theme, i just copied the icons 
Nov 26 17:55:23 <Dave> Oh, I see
Nov 26 17:55:29 <Dave> too bad
Nov 26 17:55:34 <BluesLee> dave: an opkg upgrade may destroy them
Nov 26 17:55:40 <Dave> :(
Nov 26 17:55:50 <Dave> why not simply make it into a formal package then?
Nov 26 17:55:58 <Dave> Btw, I tried this before
Nov 26 17:55:58 <BluesLee> Dave: so someone has to figure out how to package it to a theme, edje stuff
Nov 26 17:56:05 <Dave> yeah
Nov 26 17:56:30 <Dave> For 2007/8 I made a new icon theme, but I ended up doing what you did
Nov 26 17:56:45 <BluesLee> also with background image and maybe other things
Nov 26 17:56:47 <Dave> problem was an opkg upgrade fucked things up, or it complained if you didn't supply the -force-overwrite flag
Nov 26 17:56:54 <sicu> BluesLee: shutdown -h -r now works like a charm, the command only takes 2 secs to comply
Nov 26 17:56:57 <BluesLee> ohh
Nov 26 17:57:00 <bumbl> hmm all of a sudden it changed to correct rendering
Nov 26 17:57:03 <Dave> At least your "theme" is very sexy :D
Nov 26 17:57:14 <BluesLee> sicu: it never worked for me from an ssh console
Nov 26 17:57:49 <bumbl> BluesLee: i think the shr team got an working ipk for their
Nov 26 17:57:51 <bumbl> theme
Nov 26 17:57:56 <bumbl> you could edit this one
Nov 26 17:58:03 <Dave> cool
Nov 26 17:58:27 <BluesLee> Dave: thanx, again, the icons are the black & white one from gnome
Nov 26 17:58:48 <Dave> Yeah I saw ^^
Nov 26 17:58:49 <BluesLee> bumbl: maybe i have time next weekend to do that
Nov 26 17:58:57 <Dave> It's nice that they are apparently GPL'ed ;)
Nov 26 17:59:03 <BluesLee> yes!
Nov 26 17:59:22 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 17:59:34 <Dave> BluesLee, are you going to continue more work/effort in this department?
Nov 26 17:59:37 <BluesLee> bumbl: i read the wiki about edje
Nov 26 17:59:44 <Dave> Making our interface look even sexier?
Nov 26 17:59:59 <Dave> It would be SO nice if we had a simple app to create themes.
Nov 26 18:00:02 <Dave> :|
Nov 26 18:00:23 <sicu> BluesLee: well, it used to take about 70 secs before for me ... and now only 2 secs ... have you tried on latest ?
Nov 26 18:00:33 <BluesLee> Dave: it was not my intention to do that, mwester said something like "stop whining, make it better!"
Nov 26 18:00:47 <BluesLee> sicu: no, but i will do
Nov 26 18:01:03 <Dave> AND YOU DID! :D
Nov 26 18:01:15 <Dave> take that, mwester :p
Nov 26 18:01:55 <BluesLee> Dave: its subjective, i like the hire ones also, he did it correctly
Nov 26 18:02:06 <Dave> hehe
Nov 26 18:02:14 <Dave> true true, but I think you're on to something great ;)
Nov 26 18:02:37 <Dave> Though maybe I don't speak for everyone, but still, it's very nice, I hope it can be continued
Nov 26 18:03:01 <BluesLee> Dave: we will see
Nov 26 18:03:17 <BluesLee> now i will do a reflash
Nov 26 18:03:28 <Dave> Okay :)
Nov 26 18:03:58 <BluesLee> Dave: i can give you a tarball later;-)
Nov 26 18:04:03 <Dave> Yay!
Nov 26 18:04:10 <Dave> It would be much appreciated :)
Nov 26 18:04:25 <Dave> So long as I can conveniently make it a qwerty keyboard again, as you said ;)
Nov 26 18:05:07 <BluesLee> Dave: its very simple to do that, no problem, tarball with icons an kbd, you have to backup the original ones before
Nov 26 18:05:25 <Dave> right :P
Nov 26 18:05:30 <Dave> at least it should be an easy swap
Nov 26 18:05:41 <Dave> I mean, I've done my own icons before, that was easy.
Nov 26 18:05:56 <Dave> I never went so far as to try to figure out how to formalize it into a custome theme though.
Nov 26 18:05:58 <Ainulindale> Damn thing
Nov 26 18:06:00 <Ainulindale> lfp won't compile
Nov 26 18:06:07 <Dave> rut roh
Nov 26 18:06:09 <quickdev> Ainulindale, what prob?
Nov 26 18:06:21 <Dave> A catepillar in your buttermilk, Ainulindale? :p
Nov 26 18:06:41 <bumbl> hmm /me notes: install eightball, make a shutdown button, install omnewrotate, download tangogps maps
Nov 26 18:06:49 <Ainulindale> http://pastebin.com/m3f13216a
Nov 26 18:06:57 <Ainulindale> If you know how to solve this
Nov 26 18:06:59 <bumbl> has someone tested an alternative to navit?
Nov 26 18:07:08 <bumbl> which does not use pulse-audio
Nov 26 18:07:15 <Dave> There's an alternative?
Nov 26 18:07:17 <Ainulindale> bumbl: navit on SHR doesn't use pulseaudio anymore
Nov 26 18:07:23 <DocScrutinizer2> Ah, ainu drings warm beer, no bumi
Nov 26 18:07:26 <BluesLee> bumbl: instead of making a shutdown button you may use shortem for such things
Nov 26 18:07:28 <Ainulindale> I "patched" speech-dispatcher
Nov 26 18:07:31 <Dave> Joerg :D
Nov 26 18:07:46 <Dave> Ah, another shortem user? :)
Nov 26 18:07:47 <DocScrutinizer2> drinks even
Nov 26 18:08:11 * bumbl googles for shortem
Nov 26 18:08:17 <Dave> it's on opkg.org
Nov 26 18:09:02 <BluesLee> bumbl: sorry shortom http://www.opkg.org/package_28.html
Nov 26 18:09:24 <bumbl> BluesLee: yep got it
Nov 26 18:09:25 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 26 18:09:34 <DocScrutinizer2> needs caterpilar to warm it up ;-)
Nov 26 18:10:08 <bumbl> BluesLee: how fast does it start?
Nov 26 18:10:35 <Dave> hah
Nov 26 18:12:17 <DocScrutinizer2> F7cking maemo has built in autoreboot, after some 30h
Nov 26 18:12:18 <Ainulindale> mw|?
Nov 26 18:13:04 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 18:13:05 <BluesLee> bumbl: like the other apps ...:-(
Nov 26 18:13:14 <Dave> Doc, can't you override it?
Nov 26 18:13:15 <bumbl> :(
Nov 26 18:13:35 <bumbl> so I would rather have a shutdown button
Nov 26 18:14:29 <bumbl> Dave: wtf autoreboot?
Nov 26 18:14:43 <bumbl> maemo == windows? ;)
Nov 26 18:14:53 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: today i got me last can of kirin-beer. this one definitely isn't cold enough. I can taste it's not my kind of beer
Nov 26 18:15:41 <DocScrutinizer2> tastes like ricebeer
Nov 26 18:15:53 <Ainulindale> =)
Nov 26 18:16:05 <Ainulindale> Damn dbus stuff, it's truly difficult
Nov 26 18:16:15 <bumbl> damn
Nov 26 18:16:17 <DocScrutinizer2> even when frozen, it's too warm
Nov 26 18:16:18 <bumbl> qi is fast
Nov 26 18:16:49 <bumbl> + shr is now damn fast too
Nov 26 18:16:56 <bumbl> hooray
Nov 26 18:17:42 <DocScrutinizer2> damn user have no idea, what I do to get a decent device for them out the door :-D
Nov 26 18:18:06 <DocScrutinizer2> drink chinese beer even
Nov 26 18:18:16 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: =)
Nov 26 18:21:42 <DocScrutinizer2> well, actually kirin is .jp
Nov 26 18:21:43 <BluesLee> Dave: http://www.file-upload.net/download-1278782/BWIconsAndKbd.tgz.html
Nov 26 18:22:25 <DocScrutinizer2> hi mickey!
Nov 26 18:22:39 <mickeyl> yo
Nov 26 18:22:46 <mickeyl> not sleepy?
Nov 26 18:22:49 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: would you be available for a minute or so?
Nov 26 18:22:50 <mickeyl> pretty late for ya
Nov 26 18:23:03 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: what'sup?
Nov 26 18:23:03 <quickdev> bumbl, qi?
Nov 26 18:23:44 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 18:23:51 <Dave> bumble, you're successfully running qi now?
Nov 26 18:23:52 <DocScrutinizer2> (sleepy) starts
Nov 26 18:23:57 <Dave> Thanks BlueLee :D
Nov 26 18:24:30 <bumbl> Dave: yes
Nov 26 18:24:38 <bumbl> quickdev: uboot replacement
Nov 26 18:24:54 <quickdev> bumbl, what does it change? only the startup time?
Nov 26 18:25:07 <bumbl> quickdev: yep
Nov 26 18:25:12 <bumbl> more or less
Nov 26 18:25:14 <Dave> Bumble, and it's much faster?
Nov 26 18:25:18 <bumbl> and you can't flash any more
Nov 26 18:25:22 <Dave> :O
Nov 26 18:25:39 <bumbl> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
Nov 26 18:25:48 <bumbl> but for that you have NOR uboot
Nov 26 18:26:00 <bumbl> it just replaces the NAND uboot
Nov 26 18:26:23 <DocScrutinizer2> n8!
Nov 26 18:27:10 <bumbl> gute nacht
Nov 26 18:27:44 <bumbl> hmm dillo fennec or minimo
Nov 26 18:31:55 <Dave> Yeah but not Midori!
Nov 26 18:32:06 <bumbl> midori sucks
Nov 26 18:32:33 <Dave> hahahah
Nov 26 18:32:41 <Dave> Yeah, apparently I had to find that out the hard way :)
Nov 26 18:33:07 <Ainulindale> Dave: it's a dev channel here
Nov 26 18:33:19 <quickdev> bumbl, is it really 44 seconds faster?
Nov 26 18:33:30 <Dave> So?
Nov 26 18:33:37 <bumbl> quickdev: yes approximatly
Nov 26 18:33:45 <quickdev> unbelievable
Nov 26 18:33:49 <bumbl> it's damn fast
Nov 26 18:33:59 <dolf1074> bumbl: is it hard to install?
Nov 26 18:34:03 <bumbl> but shr had boot changes too
Nov 26 18:34:09 <Dave> hei dolf :]
Nov 26 18:34:20 <dolf1074> Dave: hey, I know you :p
Nov 26 18:34:22 <bumbl> dolf1074: dfu-util -a u-boot
Nov 26 18:34:36 <dolf1074> ah ok, will try it soon :)
Nov 26 18:34:38 <quickdev> bumbl, there's no risc to damage anything, right? :)
Nov 26 18:34:58 <bumbl> and mind that your first µsd partition must include a kernel in the /boot/ directory
Nov 26 18:35:03 <Hire> qi isn't ready yet
Nov 26 18:35:09 <bumbl> quickdev: mwester might argue otherwise
Nov 26 18:35:14 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 18:35:23 <Dave> Evidently
Nov 26 18:35:26 <bumbl> but I would say: don't flash with an sim card in
Nov 26 18:35:29 <Dave> Hire :p
Nov 26 18:35:41 <quickdev> bumbl, why not flashing with a sim card in?
Nov 26 18:35:46 <Dave> bumble, evidently, snce it caused major problems
Nov 26 18:35:57 <Hire> oh my god
Nov 26 18:36:01 <Hire> why dave is here?!?
Nov 26 18:36:05 <Hire> kick him
Nov 26 18:36:32 <sicu> o_0
Nov 26 18:37:02 <bumbl> quickdev: the first boot after flash i couldn't boot because i had no µsd partition and as long as I had my sim card inserted I wouldn't get into nor uboot
Nov 26 18:37:11 <bumbl> once the sim card was out 
Nov 26 18:37:16 <bumbl> everything was perfect
Nov 26 18:37:28 <bumbl> i'll stop the next boot
Nov 26 18:37:28 <Ainulindale> well quickdev 
Nov 26 18:37:34 <Ainulindale> my thing will be harder than I thought
Nov 26 18:37:43 <bumbl> *sto the time
Nov 26 18:37:45 <Ainulindale> I have no clue on how to call async methods in a dbus server method
Nov 26 18:37:45 <bumbl> p
Nov 26 18:38:26 <quickdev> Ainulindale, you mean in another thread?
Nov 26 18:38:44 <quickdev> create a new thread and communicate with it via pipes
Nov 26 18:39:09 <sicu> Ainulindale, quickdev: i thought the 'Receiving SMS window won't close' issue was fixed? but my FR tells me otherwise :/
Nov 26 18:39:17 <Ainulindale> quickdev: no, not that
Nov 26 18:39:35 <quickdev> sicu, yeah..thought I fixed it...will be fixed in 2-3 days
Nov 26 18:39:49 <dolf1074> sicu: Tell your FR to obey you
Nov 26 18:40:22 <sicu> dolf1074: haha, i gave up trying =p
Nov 26 18:40:32 <BluesLee> bumbl: but you cant reflash with qi?!
Nov 26 18:40:43 <sicu> quickdev: need more logs, or do you have it under control ?
Nov 26 18:40:45 <BluesLee> bumbl: what does it mean?
Nov 26 18:40:51 <bumbl> BluesLee: get into NOR uboot and you can
Nov 26 18:40:52 <quickdev> sicu, I have it under my control :)
Nov 26 18:40:59 <bumbl> what does mean what
Nov 26 18:41:04 <BluesLee> bumbl: okay!
Nov 26 18:41:34 <BluesLee> quickdev: can you choose booting from partitions?
Nov 26 18:41:40 <quickdev> bumbl, it isn't booting anymore at all ;)
Nov 26 18:43:29 <dolf1074> BluesLee: if you press the power button more than once
Nov 26 18:43:38 <BluesLee> hmmm
Nov 26 18:45:02 <bumbl> BluesLee: you can't choose from booting partitions
Nov 26 18:45:09 <bumbl> you can try to press aux though
Nov 26 18:45:15 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 26 18:45:17 <bumbl> then it will use a different kernel
Nov 26 18:45:29 <BluesLee> please stop the booting time
Nov 26 18:45:33 <bumbl> yep
Nov 26 18:46:16 <quickdev> bumbl, it works now. wrong qi version :)
Nov 26 18:46:20 <DocScrutinizer2> if you stop the time, booting will take veeeeeery long ;-D
Nov 26 18:46:51 <DocScrutinizer2> you won't notice tho ;)
Nov 26 18:47:01 <quickdev> Ainulindale, btw...what about the channel message? "Small penis?"
Nov 26 18:47:32 <Ainulindale> bad joke =)
Nov 26 18:47:42 <quickdev> it confuses some people..ehee
Nov 26 18:47:45 <quickdev> *hehe
Nov 26 18:48:05 * Hire pings small penis
Nov 26 18:48:29 <quickdev> qi is great :)
Nov 26 18:48:35 <quickdev> bumbl, thanks for mentioning
Nov 26 18:49:21 <Dave> o.O
Nov 26 18:52:45 <bumbl> BluesLee: 1:05
Nov 26 18:53:29 <bumbl> from press powerbutton to fully loaded gui
Nov 26 18:53:32 <DocScrutinizer2> not here
Nov 26 18:53:58 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer2: how long does it takes here?
Nov 26 18:53:59 <quickdev> bumbl, fully loaded = illume?
Nov 26 18:54:10 <bumbl> quickdev: jep illume showing all icons
Nov 26 18:54:27 <quickdev> bumbl, so you have additional fastboot patches applied?
Nov 26 18:54:38 <bumbl> quickdev: rootfs from today
Nov 26 18:54:40 * sicu thinks DocScrutinizer2 is having trouble sleeping
Nov 26 18:54:41 <DocScrutinizer2> 02:52, time for bed ;)
Nov 26 18:54:43 <bumbl> kernel from yesterday
Nov 26 18:54:45 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 18:54:48 <Dave> as always
Nov 26 18:55:40 <quickdev> Ainulindale, are fastboot patches already applied?
Nov 26 18:56:39 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 26 18:57:17 <bumbl> hmm does anyone have an icon for rotate?
Nov 26 18:57:56 <quickdev> Ainulindale, but there were some improvements...or how could bumbl boot SHR in 65 seconds?
Nov 26 18:58:09 <quickdev> bumbl, did you mean 2:05 ?
Nov 26 18:58:25 <bumbl> no quickdev one minute 5 seconds
Nov 26 18:58:29 <sicu> it takes me about the same .. just over 1 minute
Nov 26 18:58:30 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I removed exquisite
Nov 26 18:58:37 <quickdev> maybe that's it
Nov 26 18:59:06 <Dave> hot
Nov 26 18:59:24 <sicu> yeh, Ainulindale said earlier that exquisite was hogging the CPU
Nov 26 18:59:46 <bumbl> stopping again
Nov 26 19:00:10 <Dave> Quite a lot too, right?
Nov 26 19:00:27 <quickdev> bumbl, suspend/resume is faster for me...can you confirm that?
Nov 26 19:00:49 <bumbl> have to try again
Nov 26 19:01:04 <quickdev> console messages aren't shown as long as before
Nov 26 19:01:13 <quickdev> or it's just placeboo :)
Nov 26 19:01:58 <bumbl> quickdev: no
Nov 26 19:02:07 <bumbl> console logging is down to nearly nothing
Nov 26 19:02:12 <bumbl> to speed up booting
Nov 26 19:02:22 <quickdev> ah..might be the root
Nov 26 19:02:23 <bumbl> text console is not accelerated
Nov 26 19:03:13 <bumbl> 1:09:93 on the control stop
Nov 26 19:03:30 <bumbl> so booting in under 1 minute 10 seconds can be done
Nov 26 19:03:46 <bumbl> with the fast boot things we will get under 1 minute
Nov 26 19:04:05 <bumbl> quickdev: yes suspend and resume is faster too
Nov 26 19:04:12 <bumbl> by far
Nov 26 19:06:02 <quickdev> Ainulindale, do you know why the bearstech server is quite slow? I'm downloading only with half-speed.
Nov 26 19:06:03 <sakkara_> why isn't there a vim package for shr? =(
Nov 26 19:06:13 <quickdev> sakkara_, vi isn't enough? :)
Nov 26 19:06:38 <sakkara_> vim is nicer...
Nov 26 19:06:52 <dolf1074> sakkara_: and nano also :)
Nov 26 19:07:04 <sakkara_> nano is awful XD
Nov 26 19:07:14 <mwester> emacs rules!
Nov 26 19:07:45 <sakkara_> Ainulindale: ping
Nov 26 19:08:21 <dolf1074> sakkara_: voila that's the reason only vi is inserted. It's the base editor that is included in every linux. emacs nano and vim is not base
Nov 26 19:08:41 <sakkara_> dolf1074: yes, but there could be a package for vim...
Nov 26 19:09:01 <sakkara_> not only for nano and emacs...
Nov 26 19:09:04 <dolf1074> dolf1074: and then the maintainer has to make on for emacs and nano also
Nov 26 19:09:13 <dolf1074> because other people want that
Nov 26 19:09:33 <dolf1074> sakkara_: so maybe later ;)
Nov 26 19:09:43 <sakkara_> i hope so
Nov 26 19:13:24 <sicu> using uboot, my FR takes 01:42 to boot
Nov 26 19:13:38 <sicu> good thing i don't boot often =]
Nov 26 19:13:39 <bumbl> quickdev: I am always downloading with haf speed (unless I use dta)
Nov 26 19:14:09 <quickdev> bumbl, but I've got only a 800 kbits connection
Nov 26 19:14:40 <bumbl> oh
Nov 26 19:15:00 <mwester> Gaaah!  Who let Dave on this channel?!!?!!
Nov 26 19:15:02 <mwester> :p
Nov 26 19:15:14 <bumbl> mwester: you are not the first who said that
Nov 26 19:15:26 <bumbl> sicu: so you gain >30s with qi
Nov 26 19:15:31 <bumbl> which is quite impressive
Nov 26 19:15:38 <sicu> =]
Nov 26 19:15:50 <mwester> That it is -- and you have solved the "won't boot" problem I understand?
Nov 26 19:15:58 <quickdev> bumbl, could you add that to the SHR tweaks page please? :)
Nov 26 19:16:02 <bumbl> mwester: as it seems
Nov 26 19:16:13 <bumbl> mwester: suspend and resume is faster too
Nov 26 19:16:19 <mwester> Hmmm.....
Nov 26 19:16:32 <bumbl> although I don't know why a sim card can interfere with the pmu
Nov 26 19:16:36 * mwester needs another FR for easier testing.
Nov 26 19:16:37 <bumbl> and uboot
Nov 26 19:18:01 <mwester> Yes, that's really most peculiar.  I sure hope Andy looks at that because it might hint at other problems.  The GSM is supposed to remain powered off, and the SIM card is only wired to the GSM -- so it seems that there may be some sort of thing happening as the GSM senses power, or perhaps a glitch on the GPIOs controlling GSM power...
Nov 26 19:18:35 <mwester> In any case, that's a really good find -- nice job :)
Nov 26 19:19:26 <mwester> Have you any figures on how much faster suspend/resume is?
Nov 26 19:20:16 <bumbl> i can stop it how long it takes form button press to suspend and back up
Nov 26 19:20:59 <bumbl> screen black in <2,2s
Nov 26 19:21:19 <bumbl> back up in <2,2s
Nov 26 19:22:08 <bumbl> might be <1,5 because I can't press the stop button as fast as I want
Nov 26 19:22:09 <mwester> That's not too bad, but we need to do better, I think.
Nov 26 19:22:39 <bumbl> it's a little bit faster and one would talk about instant suspend and resume
Nov 26 19:24:38 * bumbl searches his second sim card
Nov 26 19:25:34 <bumbl> I hope moko 11 will be released soon
Nov 26 19:26:11 <bumbl> (not because of bug 666 but because DocScrutinizer said there would be sane default volume settings)
Nov 26 19:28:34 <quickdev> I hope that 1024 is fixed one day...but I doubt :)
Nov 26 19:31:17 <bumbl> actually it seems as i never got that one
Nov 26 19:31:24 <bumbl> possible?
Nov 26 19:34:22 <bumbl> i just suffer from poor gps performance, (sometimes buzzing and echo) [this was replaced by low volume] and some softwarbugs 
Nov 26 19:34:40 <quickdev> bumbl, if you're using SHR, you use a workaround by default. that's probably why your gsm is stable :)
Nov 26 19:35:35 <Ainulindale> sakkara_: pong
Nov 26 19:35:50 <bumbl> quickdev: when was this bug introduced
Nov 26 19:36:01 <bumbl> i never got it with ms2 and ms3 either
Nov 26 19:36:10 <bumbl> (i have not tested ms4)
Nov 26 19:36:27 <Ainulindale> Find me a dbus-glib guru please =)
Nov 26 19:36:42 <quickdev> bumbl, the questions is when the workaround was introduced
Nov 26 19:36:47 <quickdev> in SHR / ms4 I think
Nov 26 19:41:16 <MarcOChapeau> todays hint :
Nov 26 19:41:25 <MarcOChapeau> don't remove the exquisite packages....
Nov 26 19:41:44 <MarcOChapeau> your device will shutdown at boot time
Nov 26 19:41:58 <MarcOChapeau> and you *will* look stupid :)
Nov 26 19:42:10 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: latest image doesn't have exquisite
Nov 26 19:42:25 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: I didn't reflash
Nov 26 19:42:28 <Ainulindale> Then do
Nov 26 19:42:32 <Ainulindale> There's a huge amount of changes
Nov 26 19:42:35 <Ainulindale> You should reflash
Nov 26 19:42:39 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: seems I have no other choise now :-)
Nov 26 19:42:44 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: Do you happen to know a dbus-glib guru by any chance?
Nov 26 19:43:03 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: kind of
Nov 26 19:43:15 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: Then I'm interested in knowing/talking to him
Nov 26 19:43:39 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: ask for nedko on #LAD
Nov 26 19:43:54 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: Could you please ask him to talk to me?
Nov 26 19:43:55 <MarcOChapeau> he did most of the dbus stuff on the JACK server
Nov 26 19:43:59 <Ainulindale> I don't want to intrude or anything
Nov 26 19:44:04 <MarcOChapeau> sure
Nov 26 19:44:52 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'm regenerating a GTA01 image by the way
Nov 26 19:45:16 <Ainulindale> The big one is there
Nov 26 19:46:48 <mwester> the big one has been broken every time I've tried it!? :D
Nov 26 19:46:58 <Ainulindale> Then wait for the lite one =)
Nov 26 19:47:06 <mwester> :
Nov 26 19:47:09 <Ainulindale> mwester: For now I'm lost in dbus considerations
Nov 26 19:47:47 <mwester> dbus is what you catch to get home from watchin' dbear or dcubs game...
Nov 26 19:47:57 <mwester> (Sorry, Chicago joke)
Nov 26 19:48:39 <dolf1074> Hire, still busy with openmoko-dialer, or officially given up?
Nov 26 19:48:59 <Hire> openmoko-dialer3
Nov 26 19:49:08 <Hire> no, i am trying out 
Nov 26 19:49:34 <dolf1074> ok, I will then begin with gui-freshup of openmoko-messages3
Nov 26 19:49:53 <Ainulindale> Dbus is killing me.
Nov 26 19:49:55 <Hire> sure
Nov 26 19:49:57 <bumbl> hmm why not let them die now that we have efl
Nov 26 19:49:58 <dolf1074> (after I have flashed the new shr images :), thanks Ainulindale )
Nov 26 19:50:04 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Nov 26 19:50:25 <Ainulindale> What bothers me is that I have solutions to work around my problem
Nov 26 19:50:28 <quickdev> and I'm continuing to solve the latest segfaults of my new revamped code
Nov 26 19:50:30 <Ainulindale> But I won't do that, it's too dirty
Nov 26 19:50:49 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: what's the problem?
Nov 26 19:51:00 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 26 19:51:04 <Ainulindale> I'm building a dbus service provider
Nov 26 19:51:07 <Ainulindale> And inside some method calls
Nov 26 19:51:17 <Ainulindale> I want to be able to call asynchronously dbus methods
Nov 26 19:51:34 <Ainulindale> My problem is
Nov 26 19:51:41 <Ainulindale> The methods must return a gboolean
Nov 26 19:51:54 <Ainulindale> and if I call an asychronous method within this method
Nov 26 19:52:02 <Ainulindale> I must use some kind of wait for the call
Nov 26 19:52:08 <Ainulindale> Before returning anything
Nov 26 19:52:27 <Ainulindale> So either there's a built in solution
Nov 26 19:52:33 <Ainulindale> For that kind of situation
Nov 26 19:52:41 <Ainulindale> Or I have to wait for some sort of signal, and I don't like that
Nov 26 19:52:54 <Ainulindale> Well anyhow, I'm going to grab a smoke 
Nov 26 19:53:16 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: So you basicly want to change a asychronous dbus call into a not asynchonious method function?
Nov 26 19:54:48 <Ainulindale> no
Nov 26 19:55:15 <Hire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGpH6WZEeQ
Nov 26 19:55:17 <Hire> ehi 
Nov 26 19:55:21 <Hire> what is that?
Nov 26 19:55:46 <dolf1074> You want to build a function that calls an asynchronously dbus method and return the result of that asynchounously call?
Nov 26 19:56:02 <bumbl> Hire: that's by that guarana guy i think
Nov 26 19:58:13 <bumbl> does anyone know how this was encoded?
Nov 26 19:58:15 <bumbl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpX0qHnv1SM
Nov 26 19:58:27 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: no
Nov 26 19:58:31 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: I'm building a dbus service provider
Nov 26 19:58:41 <Ainulindale> This service provider will be called asynchronously
Nov 26 19:58:50 <Ainulindale> But he will also call other dbus methods
Nov 26 19:59:02 <Ainulindale> Which I want to call asynchronously in order to avoid hanging there
Nov 26 19:59:09 <Ainulindale> My point was to know how to do that
Nov 26 19:59:20 <toggles_w> holy crap Ainulindale the new image boots quick!
Nov 26 19:59:25 <mwester> heeh!
Nov 26 19:59:31 <mwester> no bootsplash.
Nov 26 19:59:33 <Ainulindale> As the dbus methods expect a result no matter how they're called
Nov 26 19:59:34 <Ainulindale> mwester: :-)
Nov 26 19:59:40 <toggles_w> hell yeah, nice!
Nov 26 19:59:50 <toggles_w> if only dialer and sms wouldn't crash :-(
Nov 26 20:00:00 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: help is coming :)
Nov 26 20:00:09 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: thanks a lot
Nov 26 20:00:11 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: logs
Nov 26 20:00:13 <quickdev> toggles_w, have you had a look at the frameworkd.log?
Nov 26 20:00:22 <nedko> hi there
Nov 26 20:00:24 <Ainulindale> if it's still segfaulting, that's quickdev's fault
Nov 26 20:00:26 <Ainulindale> nedko: \o/
Nov 26 20:00:28 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: nedko is the one ;)
Nov 26 20:00:30 <Ainulindale> My messiah
Nov 26 20:00:30 <quickdev> hey nedko 
Nov 26 20:00:43 <Ainulindale> nedko: Can I query you in order to avoid some pollution here?
Nov 26 20:00:54 <nedko> well, i'm not exactly the messiah :P
Nov 26 20:01:01 <nedko> sure
Nov 26 20:01:26 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: lol
Nov 26 20:01:28 <toggles_w> 11:36 < Ainulindale> toggles_w: ask quickdev for that
Nov 26 20:01:53 <quickdev> toggles_w, could you show me your frameworkd.log?
Nov 26 20:03:04 <quickdev> with log_level = DEBUG please
Nov 26 20:03:33 <toggles_w> quickdev: http://pastebin.com/m20a4d5d6
Nov 26 20:03:39 <toggles_w> ok, how do i turn that on?
Nov 26 20:04:18 <quickdev> toggles_w, /etc/frameworkd.log
Nov 26 20:04:44 <bumbl> Ainulindale: is it possible that you include the moko-gtk-theme into the opkg feeds
Nov 26 20:04:58 <Ainulindale> It's there, and installed, IIRC
Nov 26 20:05:01 <bumbl> to get a good gtk theme
Nov 26 20:05:08 <bumbl> which is more fingerfriendly
Nov 26 20:06:46 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I'm having a hard time with SRC_URI for pythm :(
Nov 26 20:06:51 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 26 20:07:07 <mrmoku> it just fetches one subdirectory and not the complete tree
Nov 26 20:07:17 <mrmoku> if I do a manual svn checkout it works
Nov 26 20:07:46 <mrmoku> by the way - git access works :)
Nov 26 20:08:24 <quickdev> mrmoku, module parameter?
Nov 26 20:08:34 <quickdev> tell us what url you use ;)
Nov 26 20:08:40 <quickdev> what value for SRC_URI
Nov 26 20:08:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: tried that. the url for pythm is svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/pythm
Nov 26 20:08:56 <mrmoku> i tried pythm as module - does not work
Nov 26 20:09:33 <mrmoku> SRC_URI = "svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/;module=pythm"
Nov 26 20:10:03 <quickdev> mrmoku, which subdirectory does he check out?
Nov 26 20:10:10 <mrmoku> data
Nov 26 20:10:34 <toggles_w> quickdev: http://www.tommywatson.com/frameworkd.log.gz
Nov 26 20:13:25 <quickdev> toggles_w, "CMS ERROR 314 - SIM busy"
Nov 26 20:13:27 <mrmoku> ahh, just need to look better ;) it's checking out revision 1 :)
Nov 26 20:13:33 <quickdev> probably we did not catch error properly
Nov 26 20:13:42 <quickdev> mrmoku, hrr :)
Nov 26 20:13:43 <mrmoku> trying with rev=HEAD
Nov 26 20:13:55 <mrmoku> yep, works :)
Nov 26 20:14:49 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: don't do that
Nov 26 20:14:55 <Ainulindale> put the rev in shr-autorev.inc
Nov 26 20:15:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok, though now I get error: option --single-version-externally-managed not recognized while running do_install
Nov 26 20:15:48 <mrmoku> and the usage for setup.py
Nov 26 20:15:59 <Ainulindale> I had that with python-wifi
Nov 26 20:16:01 <Ainulindale> Check what I did
Nov 26 20:16:04 <mrmoku> ok
Nov 26 20:16:37 <toggles_w> quickdev: thanks, anything i can do?
Nov 26 20:17:31 <quickdev> toggles_w, yes, but not today...bug me tomorrow / in 2 days please
Nov 26 20:21:04 <mrmoku> hmm, maybe I#
Nov 26 20:21:16 <mrmoku> 'm blind again... can't see what you did
Nov 26 20:21:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Let me have a look again
Nov 26 20:22:17 <Ainulindale> Ok, can't remember
Nov 26 20:22:24 <Ainulindale> did you inherit setuptools?
Nov 26 20:22:37 <mrmoku> yep
Nov 26 20:24:24 <MarcOChapeau> auto-shutdown during an image upload ? wow, wow, WOW !!!
Nov 26 20:24:37 <MarcOChapeau> guys, I found something serious looking
Nov 26 20:25:50 <Ainulindale> I think you're doomed
Nov 26 20:26:52 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: it seems my device shuts down automatically after 10 seconds while in the boot menu. even when an update is in progress
Nov 26 20:27:04 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: push AUX and it won't
Nov 26 20:27:14 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: I tried...
Nov 26 20:27:19 <Ainulindale> Low battery?
Nov 26 20:27:32 <MarcOChapeau> on USB ?
Nov 26 20:27:39 <MarcOChapeau> hmm...
Nov 26 20:27:45 <bumbl> Ainulindale: no i think this was a bug in u-boot
Nov 26 20:27:48 <MarcOChapeau> and I can't charge anyways
Nov 26 20:27:55 <bumbl> have you tried NOR
Nov 26 20:27:59 <bumbl> uboot?
Nov 26 20:28:16 <MarcOChapeau> bumbl: except my uboot didn't change since I had the device
Nov 26 20:28:31 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 26 20:28:50 <bumbl> anyway I read somewehere that somebody had similar problems
Nov 26 20:32:28 <dolf1074> Does anybody knows the docs of evas_object_smart_callback_add ?
Nov 26 20:32:48 <dolf1074> or preferable can point me to some docs
Nov 26 20:36:35 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: is a booted kernel enough to load a battery ?
Nov 26 20:38:08 <bumbl> MarcOChapeau: yes
Nov 26 20:38:25 <MarcOChapeau> cool, should do the trick then
Nov 26 20:41:13 <quickdev> Ainulindale, GPRS does not work on our image. Don't ask me why.
Nov 26 20:41:24 <quickdev> some users complained about it :)
Nov 26 20:41:50 <bumbl> maybe a version mismatch
Nov 26 20:43:03 <bumbl> hmm strange
Nov 26 20:43:26 <bumbl> shr wakes up but I have not pressed the power button
Nov 26 20:43:56 <Hire> you have a crazy event :)
Nov 26 20:44:27 <bumbl> Hire: yep
Nov 26 20:44:36 <bumbl> it seems like it's the rotate daemon
Nov 26 20:44:58 <MarcOChapeau> bumbl: rotating wakes up the thing ? nice :-)
Nov 26 20:46:00 <Hire> sure it does
Nov 26 20:46:01 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you had the problem with configobj? And solved it by explicitely setting DISTUTILS_INSTALL_ARGS?
Nov 26 20:46:55 <dolf1074> Hire: You did make the icons for on the home screen?
Nov 26 20:47:07 <Hire> yeah
Nov 26 20:47:14 <Hire> but quickdev hates them :)
Nov 26 20:47:26 <mrmoku> yep, that helps :)
Nov 26 20:47:27 <dolf1074> that's quickdev it's problem
Nov 26 20:47:52 <dolf1074> Do you want to make more icons, or give me some sort of raw file of one of you icons?
Nov 26 20:48:10 <quickdev> Hire, your icons? I love them..mh? ;)
Nov 26 20:48:11 <dolf1074> I need to make some icons for openmoko-messages3
Nov 26 20:48:15 * mrmoku is getting closer to his first working recipe
Nov 26 20:48:34 <Hire> it isn't the true :/
Nov 26 20:48:41 <quickdev> mrmoku, great :)
Nov 26 20:49:01 <dolf1074> and I want to stay in the same style
Nov 26 20:49:04 <Hire> i have a good book of italian's recipe ...
Nov 26 20:49:09 <Hire> ... ah ah ah ...
Nov 26 20:49:13 <Hire> :|
Nov 26 20:49:22 <quickdev> hehe 
Nov 26 20:49:38 * Hire has a french's humor 
Nov 26 20:52:43 * mrmoku has an italian wife cooking for him ;)
Nov 26 20:53:13 <mrmoku> quickdev: is there an easy way to check the content of the created package?
Nov 26 20:53:52 <quickdev> mrmoku, there is
Nov 26 20:54:12 <quickdev> I've got ubuntu. I'm using: dpkg -c package.ipk
Nov 26 20:54:22 <quickdev> I think an ipk is a zip file
Nov 26 20:54:42 <quickdev> so there are might be more possibilities ;)
Nov 26 20:56:12 <Hire> ipk is a deb-like package
Nov 26 20:56:30 <Hire> in fact it contains two files: data.gz and control.gz
Nov 26 20:59:59 <mrmoku> quickdev: ar vx ...ipk works (for non debian/*buntu users ;)
Nov 26 21:00:13 <quickdev> mrmoku, great
Nov 26 21:05:19 <bumbl> MarcOChapeau: not nice
Nov 26 21:05:22 <bumbl> bad
Nov 26 21:05:39 <bumbl> this means you have to stop the rotate daemon
Nov 26 21:05:45 <bumbl> before going to suspend
Nov 26 21:05:57 <MarcOChapeau> bumbl: that was ironic ;-)
Nov 26 21:06:14 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 26 21:06:20 <bumbl> :)
Nov 26 21:07:04 <bumbl> .ipk is a tar.gz file I think
Nov 26 21:07:49 <Hire> no
Nov 26 21:07:56 <Hire> it is a tar, without compression 
Nov 26 21:08:13 <bumbl> bah
Nov 26 21:08:26 <bumbl> why no compression
Nov 26 21:08:55 <bumbl> ah the contents are compressed anyway
Nov 26 21:17:10 <mwester> ipk is an ar file, containing two tar.gz files 
Nov 26 21:19:10 <quickdev> mwester, could you say something about: ogsmd.pdp DEBUG    got output from ppp: '/usr/sbin/pppd: pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device.\nYou need to create the /dev/ppp device node by\nexecuting the following command as root:\n\tmknod /dev/ppp c 108 0\n\n
Nov 26 21:19:27 <quickdev> if one creates that node...is there something else to do? kernel module missing?
Nov 26 21:19:38 <quickdev> leachim_dot_eu has that bug. GPRS is not working.
Nov 26 21:19:45 <leachim_dot_eu> yes
Nov 26 21:20:59 <pb_> mwester: the original .ipk format was actually two tar.gz files inside another tar.gz file. like bumbl says.
Nov 26 21:21:08 <pb_> but it was changed to tgz-in-ar, the same as deb, some years ago
Nov 26 21:21:13 <leachim_dot_eu> this time i use this script to connect to gprs http://nopaste.com/p/arM2ZHNcD
Nov 26 21:21:38 <pb_> most of the ipkg utilities can still read both formats
Nov 26 21:29:21 <mwester> quickdev:  IIRC that is one of the nodes that is normally manually created (by udev via a config file) as it is not created by probing /sys.  Yes, there is a kernel module associated with it, but the device node needs to be created before it can be useful.
Nov 26 21:29:44 <mwester> pb_: thanks - I did not know that.
Nov 26 21:30:18 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I found my solution thanks to several people
Nov 26 21:30:22 <Ainulindale> I'm going to use an asyncworker
Nov 26 21:30:36 <quickdev> mwester, how to figure out if the module is loaded?
Nov 26 21:32:04 <quickdev> Ainulindale, what ever that is..do it :)
Nov 26 21:38:13 <Ainulindale> I'll do it
Nov 26 21:38:24 <leachim_dot_eu> here is a ticket for my problem http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/152 i hope anybody can understand it ;-)
Nov 26 21:38:26 <Ainulindale> It'll rock your world so hard you won't believe how cool it'll be
Nov 26 21:40:04 <methril|laptop> hi
Nov 26 21:41:59 <quickdev> Ainulindale, could you ask bearstech guys to see why the servers connection is slow?
Nov 26 21:43:06 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Do you know if I can run several mainloops on the same program?
Nov 26 21:43:33 <quickdev> in several threads...afaik yes...in glib at least
Nov 26 21:44:05 <Ainulindale> Not in the same thread then
Nov 26 21:44:35 <quickdev> yes, of course..
Nov 26 21:45:27 <mrmoku> Wow, getting a GPS fix again :-)
Nov 26 21:45:27 <lindi-> pb_: does the order of the files inside ar matter just like in deb?
Nov 26 21:48:01 <Sargun> Where can I find a bugzilla?
Nov 26 21:48:52 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r327 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Update test application
Nov 26 21:49:01 <dolf1074> Hire: do you want to make some icons or do you want to give .xcf file of one of your icons? It would help me a lot
Nov 26 21:49:04 <lindi-> Sargun: for what project?
Nov 26 21:49:12 <Sargun> FSO
Nov 26 21:49:14 <Sargun> nevermind
Nov 26 21:49:15 <Sargun> I found it
Nov 26 21:49:28 <Sargun> how do I search this
Nov 26 21:49:28 <Sargun> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report/1
Nov 26 21:50:06 <dolf1074> with the 'Custom Query' link
Nov 26 21:50:54 <Sargun> bah, I'll just make a workaround in my app.
Nov 26 21:56:57 <Hire> dolf1074: sure
Nov 26 21:57:46 <dolf1074> I need an icon for 'messages inbox' and one for 'new message'
Nov 26 21:58:48 <Hire> http://www.2shared.com/fadmin/4353443/4bed8c9f/new_icons.tar
Nov 26 21:59:41 <KaZeR> can anyone provide me crt1.o from the build environnement?
Nov 26 21:59:42 <dolf1074> thanks :)
Nov 26 21:59:52 <Ainulindale> quickdev: could you help me to find how to configure a dumb program? =)
Nov 26 22:00:01 <quickdev> Ainulindale, of course, tell me :)
Nov 26 22:00:02 <Ainulindale> I can't seem to find the right order of aclocal, autoheader and such
Nov 26 22:00:11 <quickdev> for what?
Nov 26 22:00:13 <Ainulindale> http://live.gnome.org/DBusGlibBindings?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=program-asyncw.tar.gz
Nov 26 22:00:13 <quickdev> what's the problem?
Nov 26 22:01:41 <quickdev> Ainulindale, ./autogen.sh, ./configure, make
Nov 26 22:01:46 <quickdev> for me it says: No package 'oasyncworker-1.0' found
Nov 26 22:01:48 <Ainulindale> (I never remember)
Nov 26 22:02:17 <quickdev> it obvious, you cannot do make before configure and you cannot do configure before autogen.sh if the package is clean
Nov 26 22:02:27 <Ainulindale> obvious, perhaps
Nov 26 22:02:32 <Ainulindale> I never used the autotools
Nov 26 22:02:44 <Ainulindale> Hence I don't know what I should use, anyway
Nov 26 22:05:43 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07zhone * r605686fc96d1 10/ (data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc src/zhone): Show the name from the phonebook (in addition to the number) during call
Nov 26 22:06:49 <quickdev> huh..zhone is still developed? :)
Nov 26 22:07:58 <pb_> lindi-: I don't think any of the ipkg (or opkg) tools care about ordering.
Nov 26 22:10:12 <lindi-> pb_: ok, dpkg wants debian-version to be the first file
Nov 26 22:15:37 <pb_> lindi-: debian-binary, you mean?  yeah, ipkg-build does put that first, for compatibility with dpkg, but I don't think ipkg itself (or any of the other tools) look at it at all.
Nov 26 22:15:53 <lindi-> ah yes
Nov 26 22:16:35 <pb_> I suppose they ought to, really.  But right now, they will accept any ar archive that happens to contain a control.tar.gz, irrespective of what else might be in there.
Nov 26 22:20:50 <dolf1074> Hire, you are using the icons from the tango project?
Nov 26 22:21:27 <dolf1074> for before the background
Nov 26 22:21:35 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: heh, comitted my recipe :)
Nov 26 22:22:50 <dolf1074> recipe for what?
Nov 26 22:24:16 <mrmoku> pythm, the media player
Nov 26 22:24:36 <dolf1074> nice
Nov 26 22:24:51 <mrmoku> at least it does not crash, like starling
Nov 26 22:25:00 <dolf1074> yeah
Nov 26 22:25:08 <mrmoku> needs some gtk guii style tweaking though
Nov 26 22:25:12 <mrmoku> -i
Nov 26 22:25:14 <dolf1074> I will finally be able to listen to music
Nov 26 22:25:22 <Hire> from gnome colors
Nov 26 22:25:39 <mrmoku> and control your mpd home stereo ;)
Nov 26 22:25:58 <dolf1074> Hire, ah ok. I have used some from the tango project. (but it is a white icon, so I don't think there will be much difference)
Nov 26 22:26:12 <Hire> mmm
Nov 26 22:26:14 <Hire> ok ;)
Nov 26 22:32:03 <mrmoku> tomorrow I will continue the fastboot quest... sleeping time now. Have a good night
Nov 26 22:32:41 <sicu> nn
Nov 26 22:52:17 <Sargun> How can I reboot my Modem from FSO?
Nov 26 22:55:42 <Sargun> org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.Reset does a power level reset, or a logic level reset?
Nov 26 23:03:41 <Ainulindale> Hey raster 
Nov 26 23:05:01 * raster hides
Nov 26 23:05:27 <Ainulindale> Tiny tiny tiny raaaaaaaster
Nov 26 23:06:33 <dolf1074> Someone can explain this error: http://pastebin.com/m4f8cbb21 on this file http://pastebin.com/m605171e8 ?
Nov 26 23:09:13 <Ainulindale> raster: if you can tell me how to enable the sysmenu you were talking about
Nov 26 23:09:22 <Ainulindale> I'd be itnerested
Nov 26 23:10:32 <quickdev> raster, I'd be interested too
Nov 26 23:10:35 <quickdev> :)
Nov 26 23:10:39 * raster is still hidden
Nov 26 23:10:52 <dolf1074> btw. Can we remove the to arrows in the top bar and change it into 2 gestures. If you slide from left to right (on the top bar), you get the next app
Nov 26 23:11:14 <dolf1074> and from right to left, the previous
Nov 26 23:11:22 <quickdev> come out of your bush..you are surrounded by french and germans ;)
Nov 26 23:11:43 <Ainulindale> And a dog named Dave 
Nov 26 23:11:49 <quickdev> hrr
Nov 26 23:12:09 * raster sends forth his army of possums to defeat the french and the germans
Nov 26 23:12:24 <Ainulindale> Ach'
Nov 26 23:12:30 <Ainulindale> Vi vill destroy you
Nov 26 23:12:35 <stefan_schmidt> raster: sweet, possums. Give them food...
Nov 26 23:12:54 <quickdev> hey stefan_schmidt 
Nov 26 23:12:56 <Ainulindale> Damn devshell not working
Nov 26 23:13:01 <stefan_schmidt> hi quickdev 
Nov 26 23:13:14 <dolf1074> belgium stays in peasce
Nov 26 23:13:19 <dolf1074> *peace
Nov 26 23:13:24 <quickdev> stefan_schmidt, what going on atm for you? :)
Nov 26 23:13:30 <quickdev> *what's
Nov 26 23:13:30 <raster> Ainulindale: well u'll need a current svnrev to start...
Nov 26 23:13:54 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: Helping out some people in htc-linux for some first steps with ogsmd on the HTC Kaiser
Nov 26 23:14:03 <quickdev> ah, great :)
Nov 26 23:14:15 <Ainulindale> raster: I'm pretty much current
Nov 26 23:14:21 <Ainulindale> 37something
Nov 26 23:14:22 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: Next to this I just booted linux on my M800 and now trying to get ogpsd to work woth the sirfIII chip
Nov 26 23:14:31 <raster> hahahah
Nov 26 23:14:31 <stefan_schmidt> quickdev: As you see, not much is going on. ;)
Nov 26 23:14:39 <raster> well - enable the syscon module
Nov 26 23:14:53 <raster> if you're on latest
Nov 26 23:14:55 <Ainulindale> Is there a way to do that without using the unusable module loading screen?
Nov 26 23:14:56 <raster> when on the home screen
Nov 26 23:15:00 <raster> press the close button int he shelf
Nov 26 23:15:07 <raster> that popup will come up
Nov 26 23:15:24 <Ainulindale>  Here the task popup comes in
Nov 26 23:15:46 <raster> enlightenment_remote -module-load syscon
Nov 26 23:15:51 <raster> enlightenment_remote -module-enable syscon
Nov 26 23:16:02 <raster> aaah then you dont have new enough code
Nov 26 23:16:03 <raster> :)
Nov 26 23:16:13 <Ainulindale> Get me a working srcrev, schnell!
Nov 26 23:16:50 <Ainulindale> (meanwhile, I'm trying to build a dbus server)
Nov 26 23:16:56 <Ainulindale> (in C, because I like to suffer)
Nov 26 23:17:04 <raster> 37812
Nov 26 23:17:05 <quickdev> hrr :)
Nov 26 23:17:12 <raster> will have it in it
Nov 26 23:17:20 <raster> it wont have some extra refinements i'm adding
Nov 26 23:18:13 <Ainulindale> Ok thanks, launched the build
Nov 26 23:18:17 <sicu> he's french ... he has more refinement than anyone would need =p
Nov 26 23:19:15 <raster> hahahahah
Nov 26 23:20:40 <Ainulindale> sicu: You killed my father, prepare to die!
Nov 26 23:22:07 * sicu hides
Nov 26 23:22:10 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf7a6730579ac 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: bring SINGLELINE and MUXED4LINE up to speed again
Nov 26 23:28:20 * Hire hides too
Nov 26 23:29:27 * mwester stays hidden.
Nov 26 23:31:05 <Ainulindale> Meanwile, I'm fighting with the autotools, again
Nov 26 23:31:23 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5bef0c8608b1 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): cosmetics
Nov 26 23:31:26 <Ainulindale> It's amazing how much time I can loose on that
Nov 26 23:38:01 <quickdev> raster, I've got a question. Elementary defines a delete callback that has a parameter: Ecore_Evas *ee; why isn't this parameter the evas_object of the elementary window?
Nov 26 23:39:15 <quickdev> raster, do you understand me at all? :)
Nov 26 23:39:51 * raster is still hidden
Nov 26 23:40:41 <quickdev> raster, tell me!
Nov 26 23:41:26 <stefan_schmidt> raster: There is no place in your flat where you can hide. All tables are glass tables. I know it. :)
Nov 26 23:41:47 <raster> quickdev: is this inside elm_win.c ?
Nov 26 23:42:03 <raster> as such the delete-request smart callback event info is NULL
Nov 26 23:42:07 <raster> and the obj is the win evas obj
Nov 26 23:42:18 <raster> stefan_schmidt: damn!
Nov 26 23:42:20 <raster> :)
Nov 26 23:42:32 <stefan_schmidt> raster: :D
Nov 26 23:43:19 <quickdev> raster, you're right. It's a standard smart-callback. I'm really wondering how could have put the Ecore_Evas* as the function parameter, damn :)
Nov 26 23:43:28 <quickdev> raster, hide again :)
Nov 26 23:43:41 <raster> i didn't
Nov 26 23:43:44 <raster> so...
Nov 26 23:43:54 <raster> i'm wondering what you've been smoking today
Nov 26 23:43:57 <raster> it's strong stuff
Nov 26 23:43:57 <raster> :)
Nov 26 23:44:49 <quickdev> yeah, really...but it's coming from your continent...
Nov 26 23:45:07 <raster> we just sell the stuff
Nov 26 23:45:10 <raster> we dont use it
Nov 26 23:45:11 <raster> :)
Nov 26 23:45:38 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  hey.. quick q. does fso have a desktop-test-mode ?
Nov 26 23:46:19 <stefan_schmidt> raster: You can start it there, but without modem it does not make much sense
Nov 26 23:46:29 <stefan_schmidt> raster: What do you like to do?
Nov 26 23:46:41 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Testing your apps against fso I guess?
Nov 26 23:46:49 <raster> just develop apps without having to run/compile/test on the target
Nov 26 23:46:59 <raster> so they will run and start
Nov 26 23:47:06 <raster> and i can "inject" things like "incoming call"
Nov 26 23:47:10 <raster> or "incoming sms"
Nov 26 23:47:20 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I nice method would be GSM passtrough. Not sure if u-boot is broken in ths regard atm
Nov 26 23:47:20 <raster> and sending an sms goes and fakes thngis writign it to a file
Nov 26 23:47:21 <raster> etc.
Nov 26 23:47:36 <stefan_schmidt> raster: hmm, no we don't have such things yet
Nov 26 23:47:48 <raster> buggah
Nov 26 23:47:56 <stefan_schmidt> raster: There was some thinking about using an modem emulator like the one from TT for this
Nov 26 23:48:00 <raster> i need to write me this sms app
Nov 26 23:48:15 <raster> i spotted at least libefso doesnt have much in sms handling
Nov 26 23:48:20 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Find a way to get the device over network to your host?
Nov 26 23:48:59 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Would be a good setup, either passthrough or something in userland that "forwards" the char evice over network
Nov 26 23:49:13 <raster> well i was hoping to do this without spending money on the telco for every test
Nov 26 23:49:20 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I think mickeyl and zecke did something like this...
Nov 26 23:49:38 <raster> ie a virtual-modem mode
Nov 26 23:49:50 <stefan_schmidt> raster: nope, no simulator, fake modem
Nov 26 23:49:56 <raster> bugger
Nov 26 23:50:15 <stefan_schmidt> raster: But if you write big free code it costs you only one SMS. ;)
Nov 26 23:50:21 <quickdev> raster, are you going to write some phone stack apps?
Nov 26 23:50:25 <raster> pfft
Nov 26 23:50:26 <raster> :-P
Nov 26 23:50:30 <raster> quickdev:  yes.
Nov 26 23:50:50 <quickdev> raster, what are you planning? dialer / sms / contacts?
Nov 26 23:50:52 <raster> sms app is on my kill list
Nov 26 23:50:53 <mickeyl> if someone would fix the MUX forwarding...
Nov 26 23:51:00 <mickeyl> ... we could implement everything on the desktop
Nov 26 23:51:02 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Nov 26 23:51:20 <mickeyl> it works a bit
Nov 26 23:51:27 <mickeyl> but once you drop one channel, it's broken
Nov 26 23:51:30 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: But that would still cost money. He is thinking more about a simulator
Nov 26 23:51:36 <raster> yeah
Nov 26 23:51:40 <mickeyl> ah
Nov 26 23:51:40 <raster> so you dont need a sim card
Nov 26 23:51:41 <Sargun> subprocess.call( "killall gsm0710muxd", shell=True ), that's so ghetto.
Nov 26 23:51:41 <raster> account
Nov 26 23:51:42 <raster> or hpone
Nov 26 23:51:45 <mickeyl> hook it up to the qtopia thing
Nov 26 23:51:45 <raster> or phone
Nov 26 23:51:49 <raster> you have a "fake phone"
Nov 26 23:51:51 <mickeyl> on our list of things
Nov 26 23:51:52 <raster> "fake sim"
Nov 26 23:51:52 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: What is zeckes status about the muxer API for qtopia?
Nov 26 23:51:53 <mickeyl> but very low
Nov 26 23:51:55 <raster> "fake network"
Nov 26 23:52:00 <mickeyl> raster: qtopiaphonesim
Nov 26 23:52:04 <raster> yes
Nov 26 23:52:05 <raster> that
Nov 26 23:52:14 <raster> i was hoping u'd have somethnig rudamentary
Nov 26 23:52:15 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: apparantly there's code, but i did not have a chance to test yet
Nov 26 23:52:20 <Ainulindale> Damn autotools. Can't figure why it doesn't build my file.
Nov 26 23:52:20 <raster> even if it is some text files and cmd-line tools
Nov 26 23:52:21 <raster> :)
Nov 26 23:52:22 <mickeyl> no need to reinvent
Nov 26 23:52:25 <mickeyl> qtopiaphonesim is great
Nov 26 23:52:36 <mickeyl> read balrog's blog for some details
Nov 26 23:52:42 <mickeyl> he even contributed a TI Calypso emulation
Nov 26 23:52:53 <Sargun> mickeyl, Quick question, org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX (pyneo/muxer), the functions setPower/GetPower/Reset, why do they require a string?
Nov 26 23:52:54 <mickeyl> it just needs hooking up to fso
Nov 26 23:52:58 <mickeyl> as a virtual modem
Nov 26 23:53:09 <mickeyl> Sargun: for debugging who did what
Nov 26 23:53:14 <stefan_schmidt> raster: If you like to test how far zecke has come: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=zecke/qtopia-muxer.git;a=summary
Nov 26 23:53:16 <Sargun> Ah, ok.
Nov 26 23:53:20 <mickeyl> Sargun: wasn't my idea... i'm going to rip that out eventually ;)
Nov 26 23:53:24 <Sargun> mickeyl, Thanks.
Nov 26 23:53:50 <stefan_schmidt> raster: It ties together the qtopia muxer with fso. That way you could use qtopiaphonesim + balrogs TI port
Nov 26 23:54:06 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Many pieces. Make it a nice bundle ;)
Nov 26 23:54:34 <Sargun> mickeyl, Well, I'm having an issue where my calypso randomly stops working. I can fix it manually by doing a killall gsm0710muxd, but SetPower(False) and then SetPower(True) doesn't really fix it, do you have any better suggestions, or is there a programmatic way of "resetting" the gsmd?
Nov 26 23:55:44 <mickeyl> Sargun: i'd be interested in the logs
Nov 26 23:55:57 <mickeyl> Sargun: if you release the resource, gsm0710muxd should be relaunched automatically these days
Nov 26 23:56:06 <mickeyl> [provided no one else if using the resource]
Nov 26 23:56:46 <mickeyl> the calypso never completely stopped working for me
Nov 26 23:56:49 <mickeyl> at least not in gta023
Nov 26 23:56:52 <mickeyl> 02
Nov 26 23:57:00 <mickeyl> sometimes it breaks completely
Nov 26 23:57:03 <mickeyl> but it will tell ya
Nov 26 23:57:05 <mickeyl> (CMS 512)
Nov 26 23:57:16 <mickeyl> never stopped to be responding though
Nov 26 23:57:24 <Sargun> mickeyl, What logs?
Nov 26 23:57:31 <Sargun> mickeyl, If I release the resource, it doesn't kill gsm0710muxd.
Nov 26 23:57:35 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  ugh. yeah. lots of bits spread around all over needing a bizarre set of deps
Nov 26 23:57:48 <mickeyl> Sargun: latest fso?
Nov 26 23:57:55 <stefan_schmidt> raster: That's all we offer atm
Nov 26 23:57:55 <mickeyl> should be in ms4.1
Nov 26 23:58:03 <raster> let me at least get y app up with its own itnernal simulation pretending...
Nov 26 23:58:09 <raster> yeah thats cool
Nov 26 23:58:13 <raster> i know it sdoesnt exist
Nov 26 23:58:16 <raster> so its either make it,
Nov 26 23:58:18 <raster> live without
Nov 26 23:58:20 <raster> or work around
Nov 26 23:58:41 <Sargun> mickeyl, from like a week ago; using debian.
Nov 26 23:58:53 <mickeyl> that should be reasonably current
Nov 26 23:58:56 <Sargun> mickeyl, where do I find logs these logs? 
Nov 26 23:59:10 <raster> i need to know how on earth sms's get punted around
Nov 26 23:59:11 <raster> ooh
Nov 26 23:59:22 <raster> efso doesnt even implement it
Nov 26 23:59:22 <quickdev> raster, you need a daemon for the sms things (incoming message), right? Have you considered ophonekitd ? Or will you set up something like that for yourself?
Nov 26 23:59:23 <raster> LIES
Nov 26 23:59:23 <raster> :)
Nov 26 23:59:52 <raster> quickdev: target is an fso device
Nov 27 00:00:00 <raster> just a question of what to do in the meantime
Nov 27 00:00:07 <raster> normally i do all my dev on desktop
Nov 27 00:00:07 <mickeyl> Sargun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#How_to_debug
Nov 27 00:00:10 <raster> and just a final "port"
Nov 27 00:00:23 <raster> whihc is generally just a .bb file and thats it
Nov 27 00:00:23 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:00:37 <Sargun> mickeyl, So, if I release the resource, and no one else is relying on it, it should kill gsmd?
Nov 27 00:00:39 <mickeyl> try coupling the qtopia stuff with the singleline modem abstraction
Nov 27 00:00:42 <mickeyl> Sargun: yes
Nov 27 00:00:47 <Sargun> uhm.
Nov 27 00:00:49 <mickeyl> gsm0710muxd
Nov 27 00:00:52 <Sargun> and turn off the modem.
Nov 27 00:00:56 <mickeyl> yeay
Nov 27 00:01:20 <Sargun> What if the process dies? 
Nov 27 00:01:55 <Sargun> (The process requesting GSM)
Nov 27 00:02:04 <Sargun> is there inter-process monitoring? 
Nov 27 00:02:07 <mickeyl> sure
Nov 27 00:02:09 <mickeyl> fso will see that
Nov 27 00:02:11 <mickeyl> will autorelease
Nov 27 00:02:15 <Sargun> let's see
Nov 27 00:02:41 * mickeyl holds up a sign that reads "this feature has been brought to you by dbus"
Nov 27 00:02:56 <Sargun> What if there is an established PDP context (GPRS)
Nov 27 00:03:00 <Hire> *yawn"
Nov 27 00:03:08 <Hire> i have to go guys 
Nov 27 00:03:10 <Hire> good night
Nov 27 00:03:26 <mickeyl> Sargun: resource monitoring does not check for "activity" of a subsystem
Nov 27 00:03:28 <mickeyl> yet
Nov 27 00:03:29 <Sargun> I hate DBUS, I wish we were using something like Erlang, XMPP, or another messaging system. 
Nov 27 00:03:44 <mickeyl> i don't like the particular implementation a lot
Nov 27 00:03:49 <mickeyl> but it's the best thing we have
Nov 27 00:03:54 <mickeyl> as far as a standard is concerned
Nov 27 00:04:03 <mickeyl> i would have voted for CORBA
Nov 27 00:04:14 <mwester> Agggggh!
Nov 27 00:04:28 <mickeyl> very efficient
Nov 27 00:04:31 <mickeyl> and you get remote for free
Nov 27 00:04:32 <mwester> cryptic
Nov 27 00:04:33 <Sargun> XMPP + ASN.1 ;-P
Nov 27 00:04:42 <Sargun> mickeyl, Ok, There are currently no processes using GSM. There is an established PDP context. The modem is still on.
Nov 27 00:04:49 <mwester> and is there an interface to anything except C++ for corba?
Nov 27 00:04:57 <Sargun> mwester, Python.
Nov 27 00:05:28 <mickeyl> mwester: quite a bunch of languages have corba interfaces
Nov 27 00:05:55 <mickeyl> Sargun: usaged running?
Nov 27 00:06:01 <Sargun> I found another bug earlier where if I disconnected a PDP context, it would say released, and then immediately I would reconnect, and it would throw an exception saying that the PDP context is active.
Nov 27 00:06:09 <mickeyl> one process has currently being used the resource?
Nov 27 00:06:26 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: wrt dbus. Have you seen this? Page 21 http://data.guug.de/slides/lk2008/mh_connman-lk2008.pdf
Nov 27 00:06:36 <mickeyl> Sargun: ya, pdp handling is a bit flaky. this is because of ppp handover and back
Nov 27 00:06:47 <raster> what ever happened to nice simple sockets...
Nov 27 00:06:49 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: oh good
Nov 27 00:06:51 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: thanks
Nov 27 00:06:56 <Sargun> mickeyl, I used usaged earlier. Unless it crashed...
Nov 27 00:06:57 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: heh
Nov 27 00:07:00 <mickeyl> raster: stoneages
Nov 27 00:07:00 <raster> when did peolpe decide that the world needed to be so complicated
Nov 27 00:07:01 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:07:01 * mwester has very very bad memories of corba, admittedly from a long time ago.  but bad.  very bad.  cancelled project, give-customer-their-money-back-to-avoid-lawsuit bad.
Nov 27 00:07:19 <mickeyl> well
Nov 27 00:07:21 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Android binder style
Nov 27 00:07:22 <raster> mickeyl: same stuff everything is built on
Nov 27 00:07:23 <raster> dbus
Nov 27 00:07:24 <mickeyl> CORBA brought me my degree
Nov 27 00:07:27 <raster> or the whole internet
Nov 27 00:07:30 <mickeyl> to a certain extent
Nov 27 00:07:33 <mickeyl> :)
Nov 27 00:07:55 * raster also has bad memories of corba.. from the early gnome days of "if microsoft does X - we must instantly mimic it!"
Nov 27 00:08:03 <raster> not sure anything has changed there either
Nov 27 00:08:04 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:09:00 <mickeyl> well
Nov 27 00:09:11 <mickeyl> that was years ago
Nov 27 00:09:16 <mickeyl> people were not educated enough for RPC back then
Nov 27 00:09:25 <mickeyl> things have changed
Nov 27 00:09:50 <mickeyl> s/RPC/OO-based distributed processing/
Nov 27 00:09:53 <mwester> 7 or 8 years ago, IIRC, for the situation I mentioned.
Nov 27 00:09:54 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Nov 27 00:09:58 * stefan_schmidt wonders about what all this old people are talking
Nov 27 00:10:34 <mickeyl> in fact, dbus is much like corba
Nov 27 00:10:43 <mickeyl> just worse
Nov 27 00:10:47 <Sargun> haha
Nov 27 00:10:50 <raster> all an rpc is is sending some bytes somewhere - and maybe getting some back at some time later
Nov 27 00:10:52 <Sargun> Well, corba is ad-hoc.
Nov 27 00:11:04 <raster> what those bytes mean is largely a matter of taste
Nov 27 00:11:05 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:11:32 <mwester> I was afraid of that when I first heard of dbus being used.  And I became even more afraid when I started debugging the C/gtk bindings for SHR.  Scary stuff, and fragile.
Nov 27 00:12:22 * mwester mutters about firstly using unreliable transports, then making it even worse by passing hashes, then complicating even more by having a different process destroy the hash then created it.
Nov 27 00:12:48 <Sargun> Erlang, and XMPP would be awesome.
Nov 27 00:13:18 <raster> xmpp.. no thanks
Nov 27 00:13:23 <dcordes> that CIA guy, he makes a lot of code!!
Nov 27 00:13:33 <Ainulindale> mwester: then be happy
Nov 27 00:13:35 <Ainulindale> i'm adding some more
Nov 27 00:13:40 <mwester> The important bits will go away -- someone will profile things, and implement that as a single process, or shared memory between processes.
Nov 27 00:13:44 <Sargun> raster, why?
Nov 27 00:13:45 <mwester> just for efficiency.
Nov 27 00:13:52 <Sargun> mwester, someone... I mean you
Nov 27 00:13:53 <dcordes> mickeyl, how is single line? anything needs trying?
Nov 27 00:13:54 <raster> unless you want  a decent binary compressed representation
Nov 27 00:14:03 <raster> in whihc case its just a binary data blob
Nov 27 00:14:10 <mickeyl> dcordes: call handling is broken pretty much, but ping me when you're there
Nov 27 00:14:15 <raster> irrepsective of all the labels you stick on it
Nov 27 00:14:17 <mickeyl> dcordes: basic stuff should work
Nov 27 00:14:31 <mickeyl> dcordes: use master branch
Nov 27 00:14:34 <dcordes> mickeyl, well, I am here.
Nov 27 00:14:40 <mickeyl> no
Nov 27 00:14:45 <mickeyl> i mean "there" = everything else works
Nov 27 00:14:57 <mickeyl> then i backport calling 
Nov 27 00:15:12 <dcordes> don't hate me, but what do you mean by everything else?
Nov 27 00:15:16 <mickeyl> no need to talk about calling until Device, SIM, and Network APIs work
Nov 27 00:15:27 <Sargun> wdiadjwa
Nov 27 00:16:00 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: ogsmd talks to the modem. Basic AT -> OK works
Nov 27 00:16:12 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: ATD works
Nov 27 00:16:27 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt, don't see why I couldn't try it right away
Nov 27 00:16:35 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Then we can go and fix callhandling.
Nov 27 00:16:36 <Ainulindale> And iiiit compiles
Nov 27 00:16:42 <Ainulindale> Let's try my neat dbus service provider
Nov 27 00:16:52 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: You can. mickeyl is just saying that the basics are working
Nov 27 00:16:58 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: You can start.
Nov 27 00:16:58 <dcordes> mickeyl, the "Device" works great
Nov 27 00:17:01 <Ainulindale> quickdev: if it works, I'll let you implement the other stuff
Nov 27 00:17:04 <raster> Ainulindale: what dbus service?
Nov 27 00:17:14 <mwester> oooh noooooos! more dbus stuff ;)
Nov 27 00:17:20 <raster> hehehe
Nov 27 00:17:27 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Once you have the basic stuff running he will car about fixing callhandling
Nov 27 00:17:29 <raster> mwester: dbus is the buzzword of choice
Nov 27 00:17:36 <mickeyl> dcordes: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device completed?
Nov 27 00:17:38 <mickeyl> good
Nov 27 00:17:41 <Ainulindale> raster: Some stuff useful to preload libraries in ophonekitd, and act as ophonekitd
Nov 27 00:17:45 <mickeyl> then next stop org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM
Nov 27 00:17:46 <Ainulindale> (release/request GSM for example)
Nov 27 00:17:48 <mickeyl> after that
Nov 27 00:17:51 <mickeyl> then next stop org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network
Nov 27 00:17:58 <mickeyl> after that, ping me
Nov 27 00:18:03 <raster> Ainulindale: oh ok. in c?
Nov 27 00:18:04 * mwester wonders what ever happened to good old-fashioned shared memory, queues, semaphores, and even fifos.
Nov 27 00:18:06 <mickeyl> will keep you busy for a couple of weeks
Nov 27 00:18:07 <Ainulindale> raster: yes
Nov 27 00:18:14 <raster> aaah
Nov 27 00:18:15 <mickeyl> perhaps only days if the msm is standard enough
Nov 27 00:18:16 <raster> good boy!
Nov 27 00:18:16 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:18:23 <Ainulindale> raster: I only do (well mostly) C
Nov 27 00:18:31 <Ainulindale> raster: with a nice and shiny glib
Nov 27 00:18:33 * raster hi-5's Ainulindale 
Nov 27 00:18:37 * Ainulindale throws a glib manual at raster 
Nov 27 00:18:37 <dcordes> mickeyl, as I already mentioned earlier, sim seems as standard as it can get
Nov 27 00:18:41 <raster> pffft
Nov 27 00:18:44 <raster> glib schmeelib
Nov 27 00:18:48 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 27 00:18:51 <raster> at least its c :)
Nov 27 00:19:04 <Ainulindale> Well now let's see if it works
Nov 27 00:19:14 <mickeyl> dcordes: even better
Nov 27 00:19:24 <Ainulindale> Wooouh
Nov 27 00:19:26 <Ainulindale> A nice segfault
Nov 27 00:19:34 <mickeyl> launch fso with the singleline abstraction and try to call the APIs with cli-framework
Nov 27 00:19:36 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Did you already run ogsmd on the device?
Nov 27 00:19:48 <Ainulindale> Now this will be a mess to debug.
Nov 27 00:19:48 <dcordes> mickeyl, and regarding AT communication, network seems very simple 
Nov 27 00:20:00 <Sargun> Ok, now that I turned on logging it isn't happening anymore.
Nov 27 00:20:09 <Sargun> I want to shoot myself in the face. 
Nov 27 00:20:11 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Well, there will be evil details comming up for sure. :)
Nov 27 00:20:16 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt, mickeyl, fso-console-image has everything required, right?
Nov 27 00:20:23 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: yes
Nov 27 00:20:50 <dcordes> ok I need to fix linux-kaiser
Nov 27 00:20:54 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: change frmaeworkd.conf for using signle line
Nov 27 00:21:05 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Make sure it connects to the right device
Nov 27 00:21:17 <dcordes> I want to fix the build first
Nov 27 00:21:21 <mickeyl> [ogsmd]
Nov 27 00:21:31 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Then fire the framework and use cli-framework to test some things. Will take a while to sort this all out
Nov 27 00:21:40 <mickeyl> modemtype = singleline
Nov 27 00:21:45 <dcordes> ok
Nov 27 00:21:50 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Sure, fixed build is mandatory. :)
Nov 27 00:21:59 <raster> i wonder if its just easeir to re-implement some of the fso api's at the high level in a tester daemon
Nov 27 00:22:01 <raster> methnks it is
Nov 27 00:22:03 <mickeyl> my new system tests will come in handy eventually
Nov 27 00:22:19 <raster> at least for my sms stuff...
Nov 27 00:22:48 <raster> hmm
Nov 27 00:22:49 <raster> quick q
Nov 27 00:22:49 <stefan_schmidt> raster: btw, illume with the default theme works fine on VGA and QVGA? Also landscape?
Nov 27 00:23:00 <raster> SendMessage -> for example
Nov 27 00:23:03 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  yes.
Nov 27 00:23:17 <raster> stefan_schmidt: i test illume in everything from qvga to 800x480
Nov 27 00:23:24 <raster> note
Nov 27 00:23:27 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Hardware keyboard detection is on our list but low prio I guess?
Nov 27 00:23:30 <raster> dynamically switching to qvga has a problem
Nov 27 00:23:31 <dcordes> NOTE: fetch http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/git_git.linuxtogo.org.home.groups.mobile-linux.kernel.git_189d8ef416e66c2b9abc848be40400a880776ac7.tar.gz  <-- wtf does that url come from?
Nov 27 00:23:34 <raster> dpi i dont think changes
Nov 27 00:23:38 <raster> thus everytgn is huge
Nov 27 00:23:40 <raster> everything
Nov 27 00:23:45 * stefan_schmidt searches all pieces together to see if illume covers all his phones. :)
Nov 27 00:23:51 <ptitjes> lo
Nov 27 00:23:59 <Sargun> mickeyl, Look at the end: http://pastebin.ca/1268060
Nov 27 00:24:04 <raster> stefan_schmidt: it shoudl cover the whoel range
Nov 27 00:24:08 <raster> below qvga - i havent tried
Nov 27 00:24:17 <raster> but that is probably a matter of fine-tuning
Nov 27 00:24:17 <stefan_schmidt> raster: no need below qvga here
Nov 27 00:24:21 <dcordes> did anything change about SRC_URI handling in bitbake?
Nov 27 00:24:21 <raster> yueah
Nov 27 00:24:34 <raster> i think i can consider from now into the future qvga is a baseline
Nov 27 00:24:41 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Also no real need to change on the fly. GTA0X and M800 support this but it is rarely used
Nov 27 00:24:51 <raster> yeah
Nov 27 00:24:57 <raster> only thing i need tyo do is handle rotates
Nov 27 00:24:59 <raster> and i do
Nov 27 00:25:03 <raster> but vkbd has a few sizing issues
Nov 27 00:25:05 <raster> (bugs)
Nov 27 00:25:14 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Can wait. HW keyboard detection is more needed. But even this has time some months.
Nov 27 00:25:27 <raster> hw kb detection?
Nov 27 00:25:29 <raster> in what way?
Nov 27 00:25:48 <raster> like when one exists
Nov 27 00:25:48 <Ainulindale> quickdev: this will be hard...
Nov 27 00:25:49 <Sargun> mickeyl, Any idea why GSMd is still running? 
Nov 27 00:25:53 <raster> or you slide one out?
Nov 27 00:25:55 <Ainulindale> Nice segv everywhere
Nov 27 00:25:59 <raster> anyway
Nov 27 00:26:02 <stefan_schmidt> Make sure that vkbd does not pop up when hw keabord is present
Nov 27 00:26:04 <raster> SendMessage
Nov 27 00:26:06 <Ainulindale> (entering the mainloop in fact)
Nov 27 00:26:08 <raster> returns a transatiocn index
Nov 27 00:26:12 <stefan_schmidt> But do pop up if not
Nov 27 00:26:14 <raster> how do i know when/if the transation finishes?
Nov 27 00:26:23 <stefan_schmidt> raster: think sliding qwerty keyboard
Nov 27 00:26:34 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  yup. for the glofish
Nov 27 00:26:40 <stefan_schmidt> raster: exactly :)
Nov 27 00:26:45 <raster> as such illumes vkbd code alreayd handles dynamic plug of a kbd
Nov 27 00:26:51 <raster> if u plug one in
Nov 27 00:26:53 <raster> it'll disable the vkbd
Nov 27 00:26:58 <raster> re-enable on unplug
Nov 27 00:26:58 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I like to have both options. And nicely integrated. But as I said. later
Nov 27 00:27:02 <raster> already done
Nov 27 00:27:08 <stefan_schmidt> Just wanna make sur eit is on your agenda :)
Nov 27 00:27:12 <raster> but it checks for hal messages for added/removed devices
Nov 27 00:27:20 <raster> so that is done
Nov 27 00:27:21 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, ok
Nov 27 00:27:26 <mickeyl> Sargun: what does line #58 of ti_calypso/modem.py say?
Nov 27 00:27:34 <raster> so for now u could plug/unplug the kbd on slide out/in
Nov 27 00:27:39 <raster> and it'd work with existing code
Nov 27 00:27:43 <raster> and it kind of makes sense
Nov 27 00:27:44 <stefan_schmidt> would mean we have to inject this into hal
Nov 27 00:27:54 <raster> as the kbd is hidden/useless when slid-in
Nov 27 00:28:17 <stefan_schmidt> ok, will test once other stuff is running better on the device. Will take some months I guess. :)
Nov 27 00:28:21 <raster> if hal would understand the slide in/out
Nov 27 00:28:22 <raster> it'd work
Nov 27 00:28:27 <raster> the logic has to go somewhere
Nov 27 00:28:31 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Sure, when it is slide in I like vkbd
Nov 27 00:28:36 <raster> anyway - the lgoic is there already
Nov 27 00:28:41 <stefan_schmidt> ok
Nov 27 00:28:44 <stefan_schmidt> good to know
Nov 27 00:28:49 <raster> currently its just bound to lookign for hal events and scanning for keyboard devices in hal
Nov 27 00:29:02 <raster> so if you want to do some new mechanism
Nov 27 00:29:06 <raster> it needs hooking in
Nov 27 00:29:08 <Sargun> mickeyl,         AbstractModem.close( self )
Nov 27 00:29:08 <Sargun>         # FIXME ok this is a bit hefty. gsm0710muxd has open/close dbus calls,
Nov 27 00:29:08 <Sargun>         # but last time I checked they weren't working.
Nov 27 00:29:08 <Sargun>         subprocess.call( "killall gsm0710muxd", shell=True )
Nov 27 00:29:13 <Sargun> err, sorry about the paste bomb. 
Nov 27 00:29:16 <raster> i'm just letting you know the current mechansim so you can re-use it
Nov 27 00:29:29 <mickeyl> Sargun: that looks good
Nov 27 00:29:33 <raster> EWWWWWWWWWWW!
Nov 27 00:29:34 <Sargun> mickeyl, Ok.
Nov 27 00:29:35 <raster> EWWWWWW
Nov 27 00:29:36 <mickeyl> now i have no idea why that doesn't work for you
Nov 27 00:29:37 <raster> EWWWW
Nov 27 00:29:40 <stefan_schmidt> raster: ok, we will see how Harald's keyboard driver will handle this. Can be integrated when this one is ready.
Nov 27 00:29:43 <Sargun> raster, what?
Nov 27 00:29:44 <raster> <Sargun>         subprocess.call( "killall gsm0710muxd", shell=True )
Nov 27 00:29:46 <raster> EWWW
Nov 27 00:29:50 * raster ewwwws
Nov 27 00:29:54 <mickeyl> Sargun: perhaps you don't have killall on your device?
Nov 27 00:30:19 <stefan_schmidt> Anyway, only 5 hours sleep left. Have to go. Night all.
Nov 27 00:30:22 <raster> stefan_schmidt: if at the kernel level it literally does a dynamic plug as if u plugged in a usb or such kbd
Nov 27 00:30:23 <mickeyl> n8 stefan_schmidt 
Nov 27 00:30:25 <raster> and then uplugged it
Nov 27 00:30:31 <Sargun> mickeyl, good point. 
Nov 27 00:30:32 <raster> then that'd keep the work in the kernel
Nov 27 00:30:32 <mickeyl> Sargun: this is debian, right?
Nov 27 00:30:34 <quickdev> away too
Nov 27 00:30:35 <quickdev> good night
Nov 27 00:31:14 <mickeyl> a proper kill-patch won't hurt
Nov 27 00:31:18 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Thanks for letting me know. Will dive into the details once the driver is ready. Just wanted to make sure that you have all the bits prepared :)
Nov 27 00:31:26 <raster> yeah
Nov 27 00:31:28 <raster> already prepared
Nov 27 00:31:29 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:31:38 <stefan_schmidt> good, night
Nov 27 00:31:48 <raster> nite!
Nov 27 00:31:54 <Sargun> mickeyl, yeah, I'm going to make a kill patch
Nov 27 00:32:01 <mickeyl> cool, thanks
Nov 27 00:32:14 <raster> mickeyl: q - transaction index
Nov 27 00:32:19 <raster> how do you track them?
Nov 27 00:32:23 <raster> eg for sms send
Nov 27 00:32:28 <raster> how do i know the message was sent?
Nov 27 00:32:39 <raster> i8 know its sent when the transaction index is returned?
Nov 27 00:33:07 <mickeyl> you get the ta means it has been process by the BTS
Nov 27 00:33:16 <raster> ok
Nov 27 00:33:23 <mickeyl> we don't handle report smses yet
Nov 27 00:33:23 <raster> so after that its off int he network somewhere
Nov 27 00:33:30 <mickeyl> alphaone is working on that
Nov 27 00:33:33 <raster> aaah ok
Nov 27 00:33:39 <raster> so thats the intended plan for the ti?
Nov 27 00:33:43 <mickeyl> yep
Nov 27 00:33:48 <mickeyl> we'll get the report sms
Nov 27 00:33:52 <mickeyl> then map that back to the TI
Nov 27 00:33:56 <mickeyl> and send a signal
Nov 27 00:33:57 <raster> coool - i just didnt see it used anywhere and was wondering if i was missing something
Nov 27 00:33:58 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:34:00 <mickeyl> that was the idea
Nov 27 00:34:03 <raster> cool
Nov 27 00:34:10 <raster> so for now its fire-and-forget
Nov 27 00:34:32 <raster> i need to recorde the ti along with my own "sent messaged" data
Nov 27 00:34:55 <raster> and if i inf uture get some signal with that ti i can mark it as failed or succeded
Nov 27 00:34:58 <raster> as opposed to "pending"
Nov 27 00:35:23 <raster> fso for now doesnt seem to support sms's stored on or via sim
Nov 27 00:35:29 <raster> nor any form of sms storage
Nov 27 00:35:31 <Sargun> mickeyl, FSO is designed to run only on Linux, right? 
Nov 27 00:35:32 <raster> correct?
Nov 27 00:35:35 <mickeyl> no
Nov 27 00:35:37 <mickeyl> sms are fully implemented
Nov 27 00:35:39 <mickeyl> just no reports
Nov 27 00:35:49 <raster> hmm
Nov 27 00:36:03 <Ainulindale> Damn gthreads
Nov 27 00:36:03 <raster> so how do i know if the sms comes form my sim card?
Nov 27 00:36:05 <mickeyl> Sargun: well... that would be a bit too extreme
Nov 27 00:36:15 <mickeyl> Sargun: lets say i did not think about other platforms
Nov 27 00:36:16 <raster> and where is my incoming sms list stored
Nov 27 00:36:21 <raster> ie all sms's i've recieved?
Nov 27 00:36:22 <mickeyl> Sargun: but i would not object 
Nov 27 00:36:25 <Sargun> mickeyl, All POSIXy platforms
Nov 27 00:36:29 <raster> (i assume you only handle the comms -not storage atm)
Nov 27 00:36:29 <Ainulindale> raster: will you do your UI modular enough so we'll be able to patch it for ophonekitd? :-)
Nov 27 00:36:30 <raster> ?
Nov 27 00:36:50 <raster> Ainulindale: i want to keep the app small and simple so it doesnt matter
Nov 27 00:36:53 <raster> and it will be
Nov 27 00:36:59 <raster> but i will need to handle storage
Nov 27 00:37:03 <raster> for now
Nov 27 00:37:04 <mickeyl> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html;hb=HEAD#SetSimBuffersSms
Nov 27 00:37:18 <mickeyl> defines whether SMS go through SIM or not
Nov 27 00:37:21 <raster> ooh
Nov 27 00:37:25 <raster> under device
Nov 27 00:37:32 <mickeyl> right now we have no PIM daemon
Nov 27 00:37:34 <mickeyl> (yet)
Nov 27 00:37:39 <mickeyl> so we mostly use buffered mode
Nov 27 00:37:42 <mickeyl> but direct mode is working
Nov 27 00:37:43 <raster> ok
Nov 27 00:37:44 <raster> cool
Nov 27 00:37:54 <raster> hmm
Nov 27 00:38:07 <mickeyl> g'night
Nov 27 00:38:10 * mickeyl zzz
Nov 27 00:38:11 <raster> nite!
Nov 27 00:38:25 <dcordes> mickey|zzZZzz, good night
Nov 27 00:38:39 <Ainulindale> I'm suffering here, this glib thing is a pain.
Nov 27 00:38:41 <mickey|zzZZzz> n8 dcordes. good luck and keep us posted
Nov 27 00:39:14 <dcordes> mickey|zzZZzz, thanks will do
Nov 27 00:39:21 <raster> Ainulindale: and you were just taunting me with your glib! :)
Nov 27 00:40:02 <Ainulindale> Well, it'd be as difficult for me as e
Nov 27 00:40:09 <raster> hehehehe
Nov 27 00:40:17 <Ainulindale> s/'d be/'s/
Nov 27 00:42:10 <Sargun> mickey|zzZZzz, Good night
Nov 27 00:43:44 <Ainulindale> raster: by the way, do you remember which package is necessary to gdb properly ? -dbg or -dev?
Nov 27 00:43:48 <Ainulindale> Or both?
Nov 27 00:44:00 <raster> -dbg
Nov 27 00:44:09 <Ainulindale> Well, I can't seem to be able to breakpoint sources
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Nov 27 00:46:09 <raster> hmmm
Nov 27 00:46:17 <raster> u also need src on the device too for that i think
Nov 27 00:46:25 <raster> to at leats breakpoint a specific file+line
Nov 27 00:46:28 <raster> or list sources
Nov 27 00:47:02 <Ainulindale> It's been a long time, again
Nov 27 00:47:08 <mwester> nfs works well for all that.
Nov 27 00:47:18 <raster> hmm
Nov 27 00:47:29 <raster> at that point its possibly easiest to nfs moutn the srcs
Nov 27 00:47:31 <raster> install gcc
Nov 27 00:47:34 <raster> and build on the target
Nov 27 00:47:40 <Ainulindale> I might as well kill myself
Nov 27 00:47:43 <mwester> I set up the external toolchain, build on the fedora host, and export the whole partition to the neo
Nov 27 00:47:47 <raster> this is why i prefer to do all my dev on desktop
Nov 27 00:47:50 <raster> and foix it there first
Nov 27 00:47:51 <raster> :)
Nov 27 00:48:10 <raster> mwester:  as long as its mounted in the same spot
Nov 27 00:48:12 <raster> that should work
Nov 27 00:48:24 <mwester> Yep.  "/u" on all my devices.
Nov 27 00:48:37 <mwester> different letter for each system's "big" partition.
Nov 27 00:48:53 <mwester> And automounter maps for hosts with autofs to make it all work like magic.
Nov 27 00:49:56 <raster> that works nicely
Nov 27 00:50:13 <raster> i really should do that one day
Nov 27 00:50:43 <raster> at the lease mount my oe rootfs dir onto the target
Nov 27 00:50:46 <raster> and chroot to it
Nov 27 00:51:24 <raster> (this is one way where scratchbox kicks bum)
Nov 27 00:52:34 <Sargun> How do I submit a patch?
Nov 27 00:55:40 <quatrox_sleeping> Sargun: I think you do it in a bug report (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/)
Nov 27 00:56:19 <Sargun> ok.
Nov 27 00:56:21 <Sargun> Fun stuff
Nov 27 01:09:32 <Ainulindale> 35	        GObject *object = g_object_new (object_type, NULL);
Nov 27 01:09:32 <Ainulindale> Current language:  auto; currently c
Nov 27 01:09:32 <Ainulindale> (gdb) print object_type
Nov 27 01:09:34 <Ainulindale> That's fun.
Nov 27 01:09:39 <Ainulindale> o symbol "object_type" in current context.
Nov 27 01:09:42 <Ainulindale> Except that.
Nov 27 01:09:51 <Ainulindale> I must be doing something wrong (again)
Nov 27 01:10:39 <Ainulindale> mwester, raster: any advice? :-/
Nov 27 01:35:58 <raster> advice is to do your debugging on desktop
Nov 27 02:37:06 <Sargun> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2138
Nov 27 02:37:18 <Sargun> Can someone review, and push against trunk? 
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