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Nov 29 03:03:37 <kd8ikt> think i know why its called homework
Nov 29 03:12:12 <Sargun> kd8ikt, it's the epoch.
Nov 29 03:15:18 <Dave> epocholypse? ;p
Nov 29 03:19:24 <kd8ikt> should i worry about udev lookup_group scanner something error
Nov 29 03:23:25 <mwester> Yes.  It indicates extreme sloppyness on the part of the developers or packagers of udev.
Nov 29 03:28:46 <Dave> YEAH!
Nov 29 03:28:51 <Dave> kd8ikt: that's what I got earlier!
Nov 29 03:29:08 <Dave> I was spammed with a page of that, and X never started
Nov 29 03:29:09 <Dave> :P
Nov 29 03:29:12 <Dave> incidentally
Nov 29 03:53:51 <kd8ikt> how can i use netcat as a gpsd
Nov 29 03:58:16 <kd8ikt> eh fuckit
Nov 29 04:11:42 <Sargun> haha
Nov 29 04:27:39 <DocScrutinizer2> kd8ikt: complete sourcecode redesign? ;-)
Nov 29 08:01:17 <BluesLee> some python specialist here?
Nov 29 08:02:13 * mrmoku does not like snakes ;)
Nov 29 08:02:46 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 29 08:03:32 <mrmoku> what is your problem though?
Nov 29 08:04:02 <BluesLee> a problem with shortom http://www.opkg.org/images/screenshots/launcher_0.2_shr.png
Nov 29 08:04:37 <BluesLee> the buttons there are too small to hit with fingers
Nov 29 08:05:00 <BluesLee> (besides i try to get everything finger friendly)
Nov 29 08:06:00 <BluesLee> that should be the relevant code part:  http://pastebin.ca/1270079
Nov 29 08:06:26 <BluesLee> as i dont know anything about python i asked;-)
Nov 29 08:11:14 <BluesLee> i think its about gtk notebook ...
Nov 29 08:13:05 <mrmoku> you want the buttons bigger, or the tabs, or everything
Nov 29 08:15:31 <mrmoku> BluesLee: I think for the buttons in the launcher you should look inside launcher = Launcher(myConfigFile)
Nov 29 08:17:02 <BluesLee> thats correct, everything is too small, so there will be a general method setting the notebook properties "size"
Nov 29 08:17:53 <BluesLee> http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/sec-Notebooks.html
Nov 29 08:20:33 <mrmoku> which would be done in the gtk theme me thinks
Nov 29 08:22:59 <BluesLee> will try in the launcher.py http://pastebin.ca/1270081
Nov 29 10:02:40 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r1a0933dfc564 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/sierra/modem.py: 
Nov 29 10:02:40 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix sierra modem
Nov 29 10:02:40 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: The channel now needs to be passed the modem object
Nov 29 10:07:35 <BluesLee> HiRe
Nov 29 10:08:49 <Hire> ehy
Nov 29 10:09:45 <BluesLee> do you know who did the illume improvements, shr or raster ...
Nov 29 10:12:03 <Hire> raster
Nov 29 10:24:32 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: That depends on which
Nov 29 10:27:59 <sicu> Ainulindale: gotten any further in your investigation of X and key events ?
Nov 29 10:29:09 <Ainulindale> Do you mean "Did I start ?"
Nov 29 10:29:19 <Ainulindale> To which the answer would be "no I didn't"
Nov 29 10:29:29 <sicu> hehe ... point taken ;p
Nov 29 10:29:30 <Ainulindale> Mind, I just woke up
Nov 29 10:29:38 <Ainulindale> I'm mainly trying to pull my head out of my ass
Nov 29 10:30:08 <sicu> heh ... i normally just leave it in there, saves a lot of hassle =]
Nov 29 10:30:31 <Ainulindale> Well, I have stuff to do today
Nov 29 10:31:16 <sicu> paid work? or brokenmoko work?
Nov 29 10:31:29 * Ainulindale slaps sicu 
Nov 29 10:31:35 <Ainulindale> Don't say "brokenmoko"
Nov 29 10:31:43 <Ainulindale> Same thing than saying "M$"
Nov 29 10:31:49 <sicu> haha
Nov 29 10:33:30 <sicu> you're right, it's becoming less of a brokenmoko every day ... it's looking good =D
Nov 29 10:34:55 <sicu> plus i've been using it as my daily phone since july, which is longer than i ever dreamed of
Nov 29 10:35:30 <sicu> it's dolf!
Nov 29 10:35:32 <sicu> morning
Nov 29 10:35:38 <dolf1074> hi
Nov 29 10:37:48 <alfa21> hello
Nov 29 10:41:55 <sicu> well, i'm off to play some ice hockey ... time to see if the FR is as good a puck as it looks
Nov 29 10:42:11 <alfa21> I wonder... why qtopia 4.3.2 does not have almost any echo problem but any other OM distro have this problem?
Nov 29 10:42:15 <sicu> + it will make for some interesting track logs in tango
Nov 29 10:43:07 <dolf1074> alfa21: qtopia hasn't because it's patched. The om testing is also patched. And the framework relatives should be patches, but still have the echo on some devices
Nov 29 10:43:22 <dolf1074> so actually they are all patched, only they aren't all already released ;)
Nov 29 10:43:25 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i tried to install fbreader, this was possible last week, now its not as gtk deps are missing
Nov 29 10:43:56 <Ainulindale> Thats because I cleaned the image
Nov 29 10:43:58 <Ainulindale> +'
Nov 29 10:44:22 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: I'm compiling it on the buildhost
Nov 29 10:44:30 <Ainulindale> So wait a minute
Nov 29 10:44:48 <Ainulindale> And please open a ticket BluesLee 
Nov 29 10:44:54 <alfa21> do you have echo on your fr? why do you say "on some device"?
Nov 29 10:44:59 <Ainulindale> Enhancement in SHR Feed, please add "fbreader" to the feed :-)
Nov 29 10:45:01 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: take your time
Nov 29 10:45:13 <Ainulindale> I have plenty of time
Nov 29 10:45:20 <dolf1074> alfa21: I have echo, but can remove it by adding 2 line to the framework conf
Nov 29 10:45:43 <alfa21> mh... telll meeee yum yum!!
Nov 29 10:46:04 <dolf1074> alfa21: http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-M4---nice-GSM-sound-td1486414.html#a1518726
Nov 29 10:46:57 <alfa21> oh ok!! the famous N0187
Nov 29 10:47:26 <dolf1074> yup
Nov 29 10:47:33 <alfa21> I tought it was allready inside shr
Nov 29 10:47:53 <dolf1074> nope, but it should be 
Nov 29 10:47:59 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 29 10:48:05 <Ainulindale> I won't patch frameworkd.
Nov 29 10:48:10 <Ainulindale> This is too sensitive
Nov 29 10:48:17 <Ainulindale> This may have side effects and such
Nov 29 10:48:26 <Ainulindale> This is the responsability of the FSO team
Nov 29 10:48:41 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: it should be in frameworkd ;) So not your responsibility
Nov 29 10:48:43 <alfa21> i agree... but..
Nov 29 10:48:50 <BluesLee> the sound quality is not perfect on shr
Nov 29 10:49:10 <Ainulindale> The sound quality is dependent on frameworkd
Nov 29 10:49:17 <BluesLee> as you said
Nov 29 10:49:35 <BluesLee> then mickey should add it
Nov 29 10:50:01 <BluesLee> resp the fso team
Nov 29 10:50:14 <BluesLee> and he told me that he did it
Nov 29 10:50:31 <BluesLee> so i do not understand what is going on here ...
Nov 29 10:51:36 <Ainulindale> Maybe it's not on the stab branch.
Nov 29 10:51:48 <dolf1074> btw. Ainulindale, I already have changed my libframeworkd-phonegui so it can handle multiple libraries and is still compatible with the old ones :) Now I'm making the first library: libframeworkd-phonegui-messages
Nov 29 10:51:53 <Ainulindale> (How lazy I am, I just created completion words for irssi to spare some time)
Nov 29 10:52:05 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: nice :-)
Nov 29 10:53:46 <dolf1074> And I expect libframeworkd-phonegui-messages to be done around monday :) (It depends on how hard edje is)
Nov 29 10:53:59 <Ainulindale> What the link with edje?
Nov 29 10:54:08 <Ainulindale> You were talking of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-messages, didn't you?
Nov 29 10:54:14 <Ainulindale> If that's the case then stop right now
Nov 29 10:54:21 <Ainulindale> There's a huge amount of uncomitted changes
Nov 29 10:54:34 <Ainulindale> You'd better wait for them a little
Nov 29 10:54:35 <dolf1074> eej
Nov 29 10:54:49 <Ainulindale> First thing is :
Nov 29 10:54:55 <Ainulindale> Be able to load a library through LFP
Nov 29 10:55:01 <Ainulindale> And adapt the underlying programs to manage that
Nov 29 10:55:03 <Ainulindale> (i.e. ophonekitd)
Nov 29 10:55:16 <Ainulindale> Then package the change
Nov 29 10:55:42 <alfa21> dolf1074, have you uncommented the "deviceMediator" line also?
Nov 29 10:55:43 <Ainulindale> Damn I forgot
Nov 29 10:55:48 <Ainulindale> I can complete libframeworkd-phonegui now
Nov 29 10:55:51 <Ainulindale> (lfp <tab>)
Nov 29 10:56:20 <BluesLee> i am not able to install fbreader to see which gtk deps are missing, forgot the name ... 
Nov 29 10:56:28 <alfa21> or I need just to add the n0187 line?
Nov 29 10:56:36 <md2k7> <3 u guys for fixing my echo
Nov 29 10:56:40 <md2k7> works great
Nov 29 10:57:29 <BluesLee> shr has frozen
Nov 29 10:57:35 <BluesLee> :-( 
Nov 29 10:57:41 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: opkg update/upgrade for fbreader
Nov 29 10:57:49 <Ainulindale> And stop trying to install stuff from other repositories
Nov 29 10:57:53 <Ainulindale> This will only lead to some bad stuff
Nov 29 10:57:55 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: I need to build a libframeworkd-phone-gui-messages library bfore I can adapt openmoko-messages3?
Nov 29 10:58:08 <BluesLee> apropos bad stuff
Nov 29 10:58:10 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: forget about messages
Nov 29 10:58:12 <Ainulindale> It'll change
Nov 29 10:58:20 <BluesLee> the blue power led is on 
Nov 29 10:58:22 <Ainulindale> It'll be calling dbus methods
Nov 29 10:58:30 <BluesLee> and the screen is grey?!
Nov 29 10:58:48 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: Right now, you can't do naught about that without quickdev's code
Nov 29 10:58:58 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: ok
Nov 29 10:59:00 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: and just so you know, the plan was to make a dbus service provider out of ophonekitd
Nov 29 10:59:04 <Ainulindale> Which I did
Nov 29 10:59:08 <Ainulindale> And then preload the libraries in ophonekitd
Nov 29 10:59:15 <alfa21> Ainulindale, I've installed some ipk from opkg.org... do u like to know which so u can add them to shr feed?
Nov 29 10:59:18 <Ainulindale> And strip of the code of the openmoko-s* apps
Nov 29 10:59:31 <Ainulindale> Then just make them call dbus methods on ophonekitd
Nov 29 10:59:35 <Ainulindale> such as launch dialer and such
Nov 29 10:59:41 <Ainulindale> which is way closer of your idea dolf1074 
Nov 29 10:59:48 <Ainulindale> (and which allows preloading and such)
Nov 29 11:00:00 <Ainulindale> alfa21: open a ticket attached to SHR feed as a component
Nov 29 11:00:04 <Ainulindale> And put a list of what you'd like
Nov 29 11:00:11 <Ainulindale> the url for the ticket is here http://shr.bearstech.com/trac 
Nov 29 11:00:13 <dolf1074> I'm not totally with you
Nov 29 11:00:15 <Ainulindale> (testing my shrtrac completion alias)
Nov 29 11:00:19 <bumbl-afk> Ainulindale: the problem is, you don't have all the stuff which is interesting in your repos
Nov 29 11:00:25 <Ainulindale> bumbl-afk: then ask for it
Nov 29 11:00:31 <Ainulindale> Last time I checked
Nov 29 11:00:35 <Ainulindale> I wasn't up on my ivory tower
Nov 29 11:00:39 <Ainulindale> LAughing on you all guys
Nov 29 11:00:48 <Ainulindale> Tell me you want something I'll try to make it available :-)
Nov 29 11:00:56 <Ainulindale> (fbreader is, BluesLee)
Nov 29 11:01:05 <alfa21> Ainulindale, i know that url very well ;P
Nov 29 11:01:22 <Ainulindale> alfa21: yeah but I did want to use my completion alias :-p
Nov 29 11:01:28 <alfa21> ;P
Nov 29 11:01:35 <bumbl-afk> Ainulindale: duke3d
Nov 29 11:01:40 <Ainulindale> Is there a bb package?
Nov 29 11:01:44 <Ainulindale> s/package/recipe/
Nov 29 11:01:44 <BluesLee> ist the wsod a grey screen?
Nov 29 11:01:59 <BluesLee> restarting x didnt helped
Nov 29 11:02:10 <BluesLee> ohh
Nov 29 11:02:14 <alfa21> Ainulindale, I like your skils in s/ regex
Nov 29 11:02:18 <alfa21> ^_^
Nov 29 11:02:20 <bumbl-afk> Ainulindale: that might be the problem
Nov 29 11:02:41 <Ainulindale> bumbl-afk: Point me on some documentation on how to build it and I may be able to build a recipe
Nov 29 11:02:44 <Ainulindale> alfa21: meh :-)
Nov 29 11:03:06 <Ainulindale> bumbl-afk: and FYI
Nov 29 11:03:11 <Ainulindale> Building a bb recipe is easy
Nov 29 11:03:18 <Ainulindale> You should try it =)
Nov 29 11:03:38 <bumbl-afk> Ainulindale: i know, making a bb is as easy as making an ebuild
Nov 29 11:04:07 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: So you want to place a dbus thing between the Gui library and the applications (openmoko-messages3). And that Dbus thing will be integrated in ophonekitd. Do I understand correctly?
Nov 29 11:04:11 <Ainulindale> Then build one for duke3d bumbl-afk :-)
Nov 29 11:04:17 <Ainulindale> I'll be more than happy to give you commit access
Nov 29 11:04:27 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: that dbus thing is already in ophonekitd
Nov 29 11:04:37 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: Though right now we didn't make the object for the UI
Nov 29 11:04:47 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: So I'm interested in your thoughts about that
Nov 29 11:04:51 <Ainulindale> i.e. the methods, the objects
Nov 29 11:04:58 <Ainulindale> What you'd like to see
Nov 29 11:05:01 <Ainulindale> (hey quickdev=)
Nov 29 11:05:07 <quickdev> hey Ainulindale 
Nov 29 11:05:09 <BluesLee> does someone know this issue? blue led is on, screen white/grey, restarting x and shutdown does not work
Nov 29 11:05:18 <dolf1074> I don't know much about dbus, so I can't comment on that
Nov 29 11:05:32 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: Don't care about dbus
Nov 29 11:05:36 <dolf1074> but I know which functions I want to see in messages
Nov 29 11:05:36 <Ainulindale> Just tell me
Nov 29 11:05:41 <Ainulindale> If you're an external user
Nov 29 11:05:49 <Ainulindale> If you want to launch specific part of an UI
Nov 29 11:05:50 <dolf1074> I didn't thought about other gui's
Nov 29 11:05:54 <Ainulindale> What would you like?
Nov 29 11:05:58 <Ainulindale> That's my question
Nov 29 11:06:04 <Ainulindale> If you're able to write specs, such as
Nov 29 11:06:18 <Ainulindale> "GetMessageFolders" should display the message folders, args, outputs, etc
Nov 29 11:06:26 <Ainulindale> That will be good
Nov 29 11:06:31 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: ok, will do that ;)
Nov 29 11:06:34 <dolf1074> on the wiki?N
Nov 29 11:06:49 <dolf1074> c or jave style?
Nov 29 11:06:52 <quickdev> dolf1074, are you working on a UI?
Nov 29 11:07:06 <dolf1074> not yet
Nov 29 11:07:09 <dolf1074> wanted to
Nov 29 11:07:19 <quickdev> dolf1074, a new one?
Nov 29 11:07:35 <dolf1074> Wanted to make libframeworkd-phonegui-messages
Nov 29 11:08:04 <quickdev> I'm revamping that atm..maybe you can then base on my new code
Nov 29 11:08:06 <dolf1074> that would split the different gui's that now are located in the libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/messages.h
Nov 29 11:08:16 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 29 11:08:22 <Ainulindale> quickdev: we were talking about a more logical separation of the library
Nov 29 11:08:35 <dolf1074> quickdev: I heard it and therefor I must wait from Ainulindale ;)
Nov 29 11:08:35 <Ainulindale> quickdev: i.e. libframeworkd-phonegui-messages-efl, etc
Nov 29 11:08:44 <quickdev> yes
Nov 29 11:14:23 <Ainulindale> quickdev: how is the revamping going?
Nov 29 11:14:51 <quickdev> not too much left
Nov 29 11:15:03 <Ainulindale> So today?
Nov 29 11:15:13 <quickdev> maybe this evening, maybe..
Nov 29 11:15:17 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Oh, by the way
Nov 29 11:15:24 <Ainulindale> Did you see the shutdown menu?
Nov 29 11:15:30 <quickdev> no, I didn't
Nov 29 11:15:35 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 29 11:15:45 <Ainulindale> There's one now on illume
Nov 29 11:15:48 <Ainulindale> Which I adapted for FSO
Nov 29 11:15:53 <quickdev> through AUX?
Nov 29 11:15:53 <Ainulindale> opkg ugprade should push it
Nov 29 11:16:00 <Ainulindale> Through the cross on the home scren
Nov 29 11:16:01 <Ainulindale> +e
Nov 29 11:16:06 <Ainulindale> (I'd like to bind it to power)
Nov 29 11:16:15 <Ainulindale> (but I'd have to check why there's no keystroke in X for that)
Nov 29 11:17:07 <md2k7> btw: (shr) how can I switch to landscape mode? what do apps like numpty do?
Nov 29 11:17:13 <Ainulindale> xrandr
Nov 29 11:17:48 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: hehe =)
Nov 29 11:17:57 <dolf1074> yeah :s
Nov 29 11:18:09 <BluesLee> md2k7: you may use shortom for that and put them to some tabs "xrandr -o 3" and "xrandr -o 0"
Nov 29 11:18:34 <BluesLee> thats the way i do it
Nov 29 11:18:48 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Did you manage to get fbreader or not?
Nov 29 11:18:54 <BluesLee> but a top sheld gadget for rotation and rotation back would be nice
Nov 29 11:18:58 <Ainulindale> I compiled it ten minutes ago
Nov 29 11:19:07 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: there is no fbreader in the feed
Nov 29 11:19:10 <Ainulindale> yes there is
Nov 29 11:19:30 <Ainulindale> Ah, I see :-)
Nov 29 11:19:35 <Ainulindale> It's arch dependent
Nov 29 11:19:38 <Ainulindale> And I was in GTA01 mode
Nov 29 11:19:41 <BluesLee> now it is
Nov 29 11:19:42 <Ainulindale> Wait until I switch that =)
Nov 29 11:19:58 <md2k7> is there a way to stretch the keyboard in landscape? would be nice to have bigger buttons
Nov 29 11:20:13 <BluesLee> Collected errors:
Nov 29 11:20:14 <BluesLee>  * ERROR: Package fbreader (parent fbreader) is not available from any configured src.
Nov 29 11:20:14 <BluesLee>  * Failed to download fbreader. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'?
Nov 29 11:20:23 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: DId you read what I just told? =)
Nov 29 11:20:48 <BluesLee> yeah, now i read
Nov 29 11:20:55 <BluesLee> but before you told me ...
Nov 29 11:20:56 <BluesLee> ;-)
Nov 29 11:21:04 <BluesLee> dictator!
Nov 29 11:21:10 <Ainulindale> T-t-t :-)
Nov 29 11:21:15 <Ainulindale> Work on your theme, lazy ass
Nov 29 11:21:18 <Ainulindale> I'm waiting for it
Nov 29 11:21:26 <BluesLee> you want get it!
Nov 29 11:21:31 <Ainulindale> To try it, yes
Nov 29 11:21:41 <BluesLee> its for the people not for dictators
Nov 29 11:21:56 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Nov 29 11:22:02 <BluesLee> and there is a theme from hire
Nov 29 11:22:09 <Ainulindale> He didn't end it yet
Nov 29 11:22:14 <BluesLee> and as you told me
Nov 29 11:22:16 <Ainulindale> And I'm also waiting for his
Nov 29 11:22:32 <BluesLee> we should concentrate on missing and not working things;-)
Nov 29 11:22:39 <Ainulindale> I'd like to see a theme downloader in SHR one of these days
Nov 29 11:23:02 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: good start? http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/libframeworkd-phonegui
Nov 29 11:23:45 <bumbl-afk> BluesLee: praise our benelovent dictator for livetime
Nov 29 11:23:46 <bumbl-afk> :p
Nov 29 11:24:24 <dolf1074> BluesLee: I like to have a good base before building things on it ;)
Nov 29 11:24:29 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: That's a bit more than that, but anyway :-)
Nov 29 11:24:35 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: see the page on the architecture
Nov 29 11:25:00 <alfa21> #165 added
Nov 29 11:25:22 <Ainulindale> alfa21: pythm is already there
Nov 29 11:25:24 <Ainulindale> thanks to mrmoku_ 
Nov 29 11:25:34 <Hire> tu entra sul chan italiano
Nov 29 11:25:48 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: how do you mean it's more than that?
Nov 29 11:25:49 <BluesLee> bumbl: hehe, i have no problem with him, he may think he is the king unless i will strike him from his thrown
Nov 29 11:26:07 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: don't mind what I'm telling
Nov 29 11:26:11 <bumbl> do you know when morphis usually is on?
Nov 29 11:26:14 <Ainulindale> Please write your thoughts
Nov 29 11:26:20 <alfa21> oops :P
Nov 29 11:26:23 <Ainulindale> And we'll talk about it
Nov 29 11:26:29 <dolf1074> ok
Nov 29 11:26:39 <BluesLee> dolf1074: you are working on the echo suppresion stuff?
Nov 29 11:26:45 <dolf1074> no
Nov 29 11:26:50 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: And I don't think I'm the king =)
Nov 29 11:26:57 <Ainulindale> (I'd rather be the emperor)
Nov 29 11:27:03 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 29 11:27:31 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: package-index regenerating
Nov 29 11:27:36 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, there's just one emperor! guess who...
Nov 29 11:27:37 <Ainulindale> In one minute, update and install
Nov 29 11:27:41 <Ainulindale> And for now
Nov 29 11:27:44 <Ainulindale> I'm going to read for a bit
Nov 29 11:27:50 <Ainulindale> (Hi Joerg)
Nov 29 11:27:51 <BluesLee> ok
Nov 29 11:28:05 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: hi :-)
Nov 29 11:28:37 <bumbl> hi DocScrutinizer2 
Nov 29 11:28:44 <alfa21> what's new in the new index?
Nov 29 11:28:47 <bumbl> we are emperor
Nov 29 11:28:57 <alfa21> package-index
Nov 29 11:29:16 <DocScrutinizer2> I'm anarchist
Nov 29 11:29:22 <bumbl> baeh
Nov 29 11:29:32 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: diff for frameworkd-phonegui, http://pastebin.com/m28d5112c (it should not regress, I checked, but I didn't do a full check)
Nov 29 11:31:26 <md2k7> and while i'm at basics: how do u tell fso NOT to turn off the backlight?
Nov 29 11:31:53 <DocScrutinizer2> anarchism isn't bad, if you got a strong anarcheror to rule. That's meeee ;-)
Nov 29 11:32:54 <DocScrutinizer2> so far for Saturday silliness
Nov 29 11:33:27 <alfa21> oh yeah... it'd be cool to configure indipendently: display dimmer time, backlight of, suspend
Nov 29 11:35:20 <DocScrutinizer2> seen linux-journal 176 december? Pah, 180g, pah #666, ok not that bad otherwise 
Nov 29 11:40:01 <BluesLee> dolf1074: and how do we get this echo supression thing into shr, makinf pressure on mickey? waiting taht it gets into the stable branch?
Nov 29 11:40:59 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/478d591b8070eb26432058e668fab69b.png
Nov 29 11:41:12 <Hire> i did something in the wrong way ...
Nov 29 11:45:28 <bumbl> anywone using kde4?
Nov 29 11:45:34 <bumbl> s/w//
Nov 29 11:47:42 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, 666 has been fixed by moko10.
Nov 29 11:50:29 <DocScrutinizer2> Sargun: tell me more XD  (yeah!)
Nov 29 11:50:31 <bumbl> Ainulindale: would this compile? http://rafb.net/p/zrXYBa86.html
Nov 29 11:51:26 <DocScrutinizer2> Sargun: where to download MOKO19? ;-)
Nov 29 11:51:38 <Sargun> haha
Nov 29 11:51:42 <DocScrutinizer2> err s/9/0/
Nov 29 11:52:54 <DocScrutinizer2> Sargun: also did you ever put your FR on a scale?
Nov 29 11:53:03 <Sargun> no, why would I do that?
Nov 29 11:53:32 <DocScrutinizer2> dunno which moron created this hoax with "180g"
Nov 29 11:56:23 <DocScrutinizer2> OM is so smart on creating devices, but I actually had to go to a shop to place FR to scale, to find it's ~130g, nobody else ever checked that inside OM it seems
Nov 29 11:57:00 <Sargun> uhm, look at the bug report. 
Nov 29 11:57:16 <Sargun> why does it matter what the FR weighs
Nov 29 11:57:20 <DocScrutinizer2> ok, forgiven. We don't have any scale here in TPE office :-D
Nov 29 11:57:25 <Sargun> TPE?
Nov 29 11:57:41 <DocScrutinizer2> bugreport?????
Nov 29 11:57:47 <DocScrutinizer2> which one??
Nov 29 11:57:55 <Sargun> uhm
Nov 29 11:57:57 <DocScrutinizer2> Taipei
Nov 29 11:58:03 <Sargun> oh, you work for OM
Nov 29 11:58:09 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Nov 29 11:58:13 <Sargun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing
Nov 29 11:58:38 <Sargun> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666
Nov 29 11:58:43 <Sargun> Look at the bug, it's closed.
Nov 29 11:58:45 <Sargun> meaning FIXED
Nov 29 11:58:46 <Sargun> :-DDD
Nov 29 11:58:55 <Sargun> What do you do for OM?
Nov 29 11:58:56 <DocScrutinizer2> *I* should know, I closed it
Nov 29 11:58:59 <Sargun> oh.
Nov 29 11:59:06 <Sargun> I thought you said it was still borken.
Nov 29 11:59:39 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, it's fixed, and linuxmag doesn't know
Nov 29 11:59:51 <Sargun> oh
Nov 29 11:59:54 <DocScrutinizer2> thats what I was going to say
Nov 29 12:00:04 <Sargun> Well, then again the issue was published several weeks ago. 
Nov 29 12:00:12 <DocScrutinizer2> sure
Nov 29 12:00:28 <Sargun> you should write in to them. 
Nov 29 12:00:42 <DocScrutinizer2> but 180g is another size of nonsense than 666
Nov 29 12:01:08 <DocScrutinizer2> I fixed all wikipages ~5months ago
Nov 29 12:01:39 <DocScrutinizer2> (write) that's what I'll actually do
Nov 29 12:03:04 <md2k7> is it even possible to create a keyboard layout spanning the full width?
Nov 29 12:03:31 <md2k7> it always scales mine down
Nov 29 12:03:57 <DocScrutinizer2> handling FRs every day, then they tell me it's 180g. resembles me to a joke on women and parking
Nov 29 12:04:27 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer2: it's not 180g?
Nov 29 12:04:45 <DocScrutinizer2> put on scale and tell me
Nov 29 12:04:53 <bumbl> I'll complain :P I bought a phone weighing 180g and not 130g
Nov 29 12:04:56 <DocScrutinizer2> !
Nov 29 12:05:06 <DocScrutinizer2> lol
Nov 29 12:05:14 <Sargun> haha
Nov 29 12:05:19 <DocScrutinizer2> so we owe you another 50
Nov 29 12:05:26 <Sargun> Yeah, I'm using my phone as a weight
Nov 29 12:05:31 <Sargun> to calibrate all my machinery
Nov 29 12:05:42 <Sargun> but I thought all of the hardware design was done in HK
Nov 29 12:05:54 <DocScrutinizer2> let me find  some lead to place inside for you
Nov 29 12:06:06 <Sargun> lol
Nov 29 12:06:20 <DocScrutinizer2> duh, HK???
Nov 29 12:06:38 <Sargun> HK = hong kong
Nov 29 12:06:39 <DocScrutinizer2> ftw?
Nov 29 12:06:55 <DocScrutinizer2> this is TPE calling
Nov 29 12:07:01 <Sargun> yeah, 
Nov 29 12:07:06 <DocScrutinizer2> use traceroute
Nov 29 12:07:09 <Sargun> wait, is it it done in the HK
Nov 29 12:07:13 <Sargun> traceroute lies
Nov 29 12:07:16 <Sargun> or is it now?
Nov 29 12:07:21 <Sargun> er s/now/not/
Nov 29 12:07:43 <DocScrutinizer2> actually fab is mainland china
Nov 29 12:07:43 <Sargun> couldn't you just call them?
Nov 29 12:07:53 <DocScrutinizer2> whom?
Nov 29 12:07:59 <Sargun> one of the hardware engineers
Nov 29 12:08:24 <DocScrutinizer2> damn, which one?
Nov 29 12:08:30 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer2: yep you owe me another 50g
Nov 29 12:08:37 <DocScrutinizer2> why call them, they call me!
Nov 29 12:08:43 <Sargun> one who knows how much it weighs
Nov 29 12:09:02 <DocScrutinizer2> I'm the only one I guess
Nov 29 12:09:06 * md2k7 has overwritten his Default.kbd
Nov 29 12:09:10 <md2k7> where to get a fresh one?
Nov 29 12:09:32 <bumbl> wait for an opkg upgrade
Nov 29 12:09:37 <md2k7> :D
Nov 29 12:09:46 <Sargun> lol
Nov 29 12:10:05 <dolf1074> or reinstall the package
Nov 29 12:10:10 <md2k7> which?
Nov 29 12:10:37 <dolf1074> something with keyboard in it
Nov 29 12:10:42 <DocScrutinizer2> as I told you, my colleagues here in TPE seem to have no access to any scale ;-)
Nov 29 12:13:13 <DocScrutinizer2> btw: fab in mainland != HK, it's Suzhou, near Shanghai IIRC
Nov 29 12:14:14 <roh> olah
Nov 29 12:14:26 <Ainulindale> bumbl: this isn't like that
Nov 29 12:14:36 <roh> 180g? wtf?
Nov 29 12:14:47 <bumbl> hi roh 
Nov 29 12:14:57 <Ainulindale> bumbl: if there's autotools, you have to inherit autotools
Nov 29 12:15:03 <Ainulindale> bindir and such are computed automatically
Nov 29 12:15:19 <Ainulindale> And the do_* things are invoked automatically too if you inherit autotools
Nov 29 12:15:19 <DocScrutinizer2> yup, roh
Nov 29 12:15:49 <roh> Doc just holler if you find it somewhere where you don't have rw access ;)
Nov 29 12:16:02 <roh> openmoko is a wiki *ducks*
Nov 29 12:16:12 <DocScrutinizer2> roh: what, 180?
Nov 29 12:16:37 <roh> if you know better and can proove it, fix it, don't cry.. that takes just longer than just fixing
Nov 29 12:16:48 <DocScrutinizer2> roh: should be fixed since months
Nov 29 12:16:50 <TAsn> for some reason with the new shr I can't register to network ;\
Nov 29 12:17:02 <roh> Doc i hope so.. just in case you see it somewhere else
Nov 29 12:17:16 <DocScrutinizer2> sure
Nov 29 12:17:23 <TAsn> wtf, just when I wrote this
Nov 29 12:17:25 <TAsn> it connected.
Nov 29 12:17:32 <TAsn> after 17hrs of not.
Nov 29 12:17:39 <bumbl> Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/KKTKeK80.html you mean so
Nov 29 12:18:10 <DocScrutinizer2> roh: actually I saw in linux journal. Can't fix it there ;-)
Nov 29 12:18:23 <bumbl> TAsn: lol
Nov 29 12:18:45 <DocScrutinizer2> will write a complaint to the author
Nov 29 12:18:49 <TAsn> bumbl, that's more than an amazing coincidence.!
Nov 29 12:18:57 <roh> hrhr.. well.. press.. i am happy when they don't try to sell it to unknowingly customers without any proper explaining
Nov 29 12:19:04 <TAsn> well im off taking a shower and fill a lottery form ;]
Nov 29 12:19:12 <bumbl> actually shr connects damn fast to network here
Nov 29 12:19:24 <bumbl> TAsn: good luck
Nov 29 12:19:30 <TAsn> bumbl, previous shr version connected fast here as well.
Nov 29 12:19:39 <DocScrutinizer2> roh: actually the article was pretty fair on that
Nov 29 12:19:40 <TAsn> bumbl, j/k im aint gonna fill the lottery. ;]
Nov 29 12:19:51 <TAsn> cya.
Nov 29 12:20:01 <alfa21> do you know if someone has a fr with revision >0360 ?
Nov 29 12:20:05 <TAsn> I wish I will have good luck in the shower...? ;]
Nov 29 12:20:25 <DocScrutinizer2> alfa21: me! ;-)
Nov 29 12:20:30 <bumbl> alfa21: how to find out?
Nov 29 12:20:45 <alfa21> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Nov 29 12:21:06 <alfa21> DocScrutinizer, which rev do u have??
Nov 29 12:21:20 <DocScrutinizer2> at least it *should* report a higher version
Nov 29 12:21:25 <bumbl> but as mine was produced 21/06/08 I don't think I have
Nov 29 12:21:35 <DocScrutinizer2> never checked, sorry
Nov 29 12:21:44 <alfa21> try it now ;)
Nov 29 12:21:45 <bumbl> Revision        : 0350
Nov 29 12:22:08 <DocScrutinizer2> seems it's at the office ATM. so can't check right now
Nov 29 12:22:15 <alfa21> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#History
Nov 29 12:22:25 <dolf1074> mine is 360 and has the hardwarefix of gps
Nov 29 12:23:10 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer2: is there an end report on the gps causa?
Nov 29 12:23:27 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, I think we didn't bother to increase hw-version coding :-/
Nov 29 12:23:29 <alfa21> mine has been fixed too for gps... but I'm trying to understand if there is any fr with hardware echo fix aroundo
Nov 29 12:24:04 <dolf1074> is there a hardware fix?
Nov 29 12:24:05 <DocScrutinizer2> bumbl: spread over wiki and HW-ML I'd guess
Nov 29 12:24:09 <roh> hm.. who's driving shr atm?
Nov 29 12:24:22 <roh> as in developing actively
Nov 29 12:24:30 <dolf1074> Ainulindale and quickdev, I think
Nov 29 12:24:43 <DocScrutinizer2> alfa21: (echo) won't fix in HW
Nov 29 12:25:05 <alfa21> no, i think there is not any hw fix... but someone says he never had any echo problem
Nov 29 12:25:13 <dolf1074> and I'm a wannabe driver of shr ;)
Nov 29 12:25:15 <DocScrutinizer2> yup, Ainu
Nov 29 12:25:56 <dolf1074> alfa21: that depends on which provider you have. Some networks doesn't have problems with any echo
Nov 29 12:26:20 <alfa21> oh really?? dolf1074 ??
Nov 29 12:26:26 <dolf1074> yes
Nov 29 12:26:28 <DocScrutinizer2> alfa21: read all the ml and wiki on it. depends on your provider, and may fix with AT cmd
Nov 29 12:26:37 <roh> anyways.. i just walked by that 'communitydevels' group in docs trac config an was wondering if i should add somebody
Nov 29 12:26:56 <roh> hives TICKET_MODIFY permissions (edit fields and close tickets)
Nov 29 12:27:04 <roh> eh s/hiv/giv/g
Nov 29 12:27:15 <alfa21> I never get the "depends on provider" point, sorry
Nov 29 12:27:37 <Ainulindale> roh: well why would you want to know that?
Nov 29 12:27:49 <DocScrutinizer2> roh: may I close tickets? ;-)
Nov 29 12:27:59 <Ainulindale> (shr drivers)
Nov 29 12:28:15 <roh> Ainulindale just if there are other devels which aren't in that group yet
Nov 29 12:28:31 <Ainulindale> roh: Errr, which group? :-)
Nov 29 12:28:35 <roh> shr was just one prominent one i came by in my thinking.. thats not a limit
Nov 29 12:29:23 <roh> Ainulindale permission group in trac. we limited normal users privs to 'open new tickets' and 'append to existing ones' since too many people were playing with the fields
Nov 29 12:29:36 <Ainulindale> Oh, that
Nov 29 12:29:44 <Ainulindale> Well, OM trac you mean, I guess.
Nov 29 12:29:48 <roh> yes
Nov 29 12:30:05 <Ainulindale> We have our own trac anyway, but if you want to put some specific permissions, put quickdev and me it'll be enough I think
Nov 29 12:30:20 <roh> you are in there already i think
Nov 29 12:30:25 <Ainulindale> Oh?
Nov 29 12:30:26 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 29 12:30:30 <Ainulindale> You're going too fast for me
Nov 29 12:31:15 <Ainulindale> (I don't even recall having a login there)
Nov 29 12:31:38 <roh> docs.openmoko.org?
Nov 29 12:31:41 <DocScrutinizer2> :D
Nov 29 12:31:49 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 29 12:32:23 <roh> in case you don't remember your pass.. just click on send it.
Nov 29 12:32:28 <Ainulindale> I just did that :-)
Nov 29 12:32:36 <roh> it knows your email!!1!
Nov 29 12:32:37 <roh>  ;)
Nov 29 12:32:44 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 29 12:33:11 <Ainulindale> Warning: <acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0x87a490c>  
Nov 29 12:33:16 <Ainulindale> Thanks trac, that is very informative
Nov 29 12:33:27 <roh> eek
Nov 29 12:33:38 <Ainulindale> (account tab of the preferences)
Nov 29 12:33:40 <DocScrutinizer2> wuahahaa
Nov 29 12:34:01 <DocScrutinizer2> roh: you borked docs. ?
Nov 29 12:34:23 <roh> not knowingly.. 
Nov 29 12:34:39 <Ainulindale> Well, I'm closing ticket then.
Nov 29 12:35:08 <roh> Ainulindale can you reproduce the error by reloading?
Nov 29 12:35:14 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 29 12:35:23 <Ainulindale> (wait let me try again
Nov 29 12:35:32 <Ainulindale> Not anymore
Nov 29 12:35:45 <DocScrutinizer2> roh fixed it
Nov 29 12:35:51 <roh> mmmmh...
Nov 29 12:36:03 <Ainulindale> Ok, my tickets are closed.
Nov 29 12:36:05 <DocScrutinizer2> fast as lightining :-)
Nov 29 12:36:08 <roh> didnt do anything besides turning up debug
Nov 29 12:36:38 <DocScrutinizer2> yup, this actually fixed a lot of bugs
Nov 29 12:36:47 <DocScrutinizer2> on om-kernel
Nov 29 12:36:50 <roh> we'll see.. down again...
Nov 29 12:37:07 <Ainulindale> Still not there.
Nov 29 12:37:09 <roh> logging on debug setting eats way too much performance
Nov 29 12:37:22 <Ainulindale> Maybe it was due to the fact that something wasn't set for my account roh 
Nov 29 12:38:26 <roh> nup... that group just adds more perms, it doesnt remove any
Nov 29 12:38:39 <roh> that were the bugs i was wondering about https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=in_testing&status=new&status=reopened&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=SHR
Nov 29 12:38:51 <Ainulindale> bumbl: inherit should be set lower than that
Nov 29 12:38:54 <bumbl>  
Nov 29 12:39:16 <Ainulindale> roh: That's totally outdated
Nov 29 12:40:20 <bumbl> alfa21: I don't have any echo anymore
Nov 29 12:40:38 <alfa21> sorry i was afk
Nov 29 12:41:04 <bumbl> so the software fixes work
Nov 29 12:41:05 <roh> if you do everything in that other trac i think that stuff should be closed or moved out with some link or comment?
Nov 29 12:41:06 <alfa21> so u have added n0187 and it's ok?
Nov 29 12:41:48 <alfa21> nice... now I reboot my fr an i try it
Nov 29 12:42:06 <Ainulindale> roh: I'm closing it properly, and we'll handle that stuff on the other trac
Nov 29 12:42:27 <roh> ok
Nov 29 12:43:43 <DocScrutinizer2> bumbl: that's AT%Nxxx for echo-cancellation?
Nov 29 12:46:55 <Ainulindale> roh: Ok, all of them are now closed.
Nov 29 12:47:20 <TAsn> bumbl, since when do the software fixes exist?
Nov 29 12:47:27 <DocScrutinizer2> woohoo, another bunch of closed tickets :-)
Nov 29 12:47:32 <roh> should i just remove the milestone?
Nov 29 12:47:43 <Ainulindale> roh: Let it there, just in case someone can't find our trac
Nov 29 12:47:47 <Ainulindale> Or if it bugs you, remove it
Nov 29 12:47:53 <Ainulindale> Your choice
Nov 29 12:48:20 <DocScrutinizer2> tickets never are removed
Nov 29 12:48:22 <roh> i can close it
Nov 29 12:49:00 <roh> then one can list it with 'display closed milestones' but it vanishes from the dropdown in newticket
Nov 29 12:49:11 <Ainulindale> Do as you wish roh 
Nov 29 12:50:10 <md2k7> is there a reason why the illume keyboard won't accept key presses in the left/right areas?
Nov 29 12:50:23 <md2k7> the areas below the dictionary and keyboard chooser buttons
Nov 29 12:51:06 <md2k7> i nicely hacked some keyboard buttons there with negative X-position, but they won't work
Nov 29 12:51:44 <TAsn> Ainulindale, why did you remove the illume settings from the panel?
Nov 29 12:52:04 <TAsn> and moved the keyboard launcher ?
Nov 29 12:52:09 <DocScrutinizer2> negative X? sounds strange
Nov 29 12:52:14 <TAsn> those were actually pretty good settings.
Nov 29 12:52:42 <md2k7> i don't seem to get the scaling of it
Nov 29 12:52:53 <md2k7> somehow, the terminal.kbd manages to put buttons there
Nov 29 12:54:14 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I didn't
Nov 29 12:54:27 <TAsn> then who raped the panel? ;]
Nov 29 12:54:34 <Ainulindale> TAsn: There was some changes in latest illume
Nov 29 12:54:37 <Ainulindale> If you opkg update upgrade
Nov 29 12:54:39 <Ainulindale> then rm .rf e
Nov 29 12:54:43 <Ainulindale> then restart X
Nov 29 12:54:47 <Ainulindale> And select the illume SHR profile
Nov 29 12:54:50 <Ainulindale> it'll be as it was before
Nov 29 12:55:00 <Ainulindale> Changes in illume equals changes in our theme
Nov 29 12:55:08 <Ainulindale> They just weren't there
Nov 29 12:55:20 <TAsn> even if im using the 27nov version?
Nov 29 12:55:31 <TAsn> and I chose the illume-shr theme?
Nov 29 12:55:38 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 29 12:55:43 <TAsn> I see. ;]
Nov 29 12:55:44 <Ainulindale> update upgrade
Nov 29 12:56:04 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I regenerated an image yesterday for that issue
Nov 29 12:56:15 <TAsn> damn I suck.
Nov 29 12:56:21 <TAsn> I flashed mine yesterday ;]
Nov 29 12:58:25 <TAsn> where's the opkg dev svn at? projects.openmoko? or downloads.openmoko? or where?
Nov 29 12:58:27 <bumbl>  TAsn: some time ago the fso team inclueded the echo-cancellation
Nov 29 12:58:47 <TAsn> bumbl, I wonder if I had that in the previous installation
Nov 29 12:58:53 <TAsn> because I still had echo issues
Nov 29 12:59:16 <TAsn> though I got rid of the buzz. ;]
Nov 29 13:00:03 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 29 13:00:42 <bumbl> I never had the buzz nor the echo but some people complained that they had an echo when I called them / they called me
Nov 29 13:00:58 <TAsn> I never heard the echo
Nov 29 13:01:02 <TAsn> only the buzz
Nov 29 13:01:08 <TAsn> echo influenced the other side ;]
Nov 29 13:01:39 <roh> Ainulindale i added fso and shr to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/wiki/InterTrac
Nov 29 13:01:57 <roh> means one can directly make links in tickets now without lots of typing
Nov 29 13:03:54 <roh> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/milestone/SHR
Nov 29 13:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> bumbl: TAsn: echo and buzz are strictly farend only
Nov 29 13:05:01 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I really think you should get someone to design a theme an make a default nice theme for SHR ;]
Nov 29 13:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> if you hear buzz in FR, it either other side (farend) has a buzzissue too, or you messed up your sidetone setings in FR
Nov 29 13:06:56 <Ainulindale> TAsn: someone is doing that
Nov 29 13:07:04 <Ainulindale> roh: thanks :-)
Nov 29 13:07:15 <TAsn> Ainulindale, COOL ;]
Nov 29 13:07:27 <TAsn> make sure to package that and pm me when it's ready ;]
Nov 29 13:07:35 <Ainulindale> Well you'll see it
Nov 29 13:07:39 <Ainulindale> It's already packaged
Nov 29 13:07:43 <TAsn> really?
Nov 29 13:07:44 <Ainulindale> Though the real theme isn't here yet
Nov 29 13:07:48 <TAsn> how do I get it?
Nov 29 13:07:53 <Ainulindale> We packaged the default plus some stuff
Nov 29 13:07:55 <Hire> you can't
Nov 29 13:07:58 <Ainulindale> As soon as Hire ends his work
Nov 29 13:08:03 <Ainulindale> It'll get into the image
Nov 29 13:08:08 <TAsn> cool
Nov 29 13:08:15 <Hire> :(
Nov 29 13:08:20 <TAsn> Hire, got some sketches on scap?
Nov 29 13:08:29 <alfa21> here i am again... and I can confirm: the echo patch works fine
Nov 29 13:08:43 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/478d591b8070eb26432058e668fab69b.png
Nov 29 13:08:56 <Hire> here you can see what I did 30 minutes ago ...
Nov 29 13:09:02 <Hire> the problem however is the edje files
Nov 29 13:09:54 <TAsn> mofi?
Nov 29 13:10:27 <TAsn> will it include a default icon-set, background and illume bar colors? ;]
Nov 29 13:10:43 <Ainulindale> Hire: why?
Nov 29 13:10:46 <alfa21> TAsn, not mofi
Nov 29 13:10:55 <alfa21> Hire is working on icons
Nov 29 13:10:59 <alfa21> ;)
Nov 29 13:11:11 <Hire> Ainulindale: it is a bit complicated and i can't find docs on them 
Nov 29 13:14:00 <TAsn> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=2
Nov 29 13:14:05 <TAsn> the ones in here look crazy.
Nov 29 13:15:42 <Ainulindale> well Hire you should ask quickdev or raster
Nov 29 13:15:49 <quickdev> mh?
Nov 29 13:16:00 <Ainulindale> He's having trouble with edje
Nov 29 13:16:10 <Ainulindale> (I'm off for a while, have to clean)
Nov 29 13:16:33 <Hire> i want to know how I can link an image ( png ) to an event 
Nov 29 13:16:40 <Hire> into a edc file
Nov 29 13:17:19 <Hire> and I don't know where is the title app into illume-shr ( or default ) into the edc files
Nov 29 13:17:56 <quickdev> the title app?
Nov 29 13:18:44 <Hire> yes into illume bar
Nov 29 13:18:55 <bumbl> are there already dbus calls for setting the time?
Nov 29 13:18:58 <Hire> default is "ILLUME"
Nov 29 13:19:04 <alfa21> hi quickdev 
Nov 29 13:19:18 <bumbl> I am looking into shr-settings at the moment as I can't work on my own app at the moment
Nov 29 13:19:18 <quickdev> hey alfa21 
Nov 29 13:19:58 <Hire> however
Nov 29 13:20:27 <Hire> quickdev why don't you do some E modules for wifi, suspend, gsm and others thing?
Nov 29 13:20:34 <Hire> other things
Nov 29 13:20:41 <Hire> if you have time :D
Nov 29 13:21:52 <quickdev> Hire, there is already one for wifi?
Nov 29 13:22:06 <quickdev> and time is veery rare ;)
Nov 29 13:22:10 <Hire> a module? 
Nov 29 13:22:26 <Hire> i don't see a module for that
Nov 29 13:23:03 <quickdev> maybe it's hidden? look at the settings
Nov 29 13:23:38 <alfa21> i can confirm I see wifi icon when it's on
Nov 29 13:24:03 <Hire> nothing... is my edje fault
Nov 29 13:25:17 <TAsn> "Installing libmp3lame0 (3.96.1-r4.1) to root..." - wasn't there an issue with mp3 in om distros?
Nov 29 13:25:25 <TAsn> something about copyright infrigment.
Nov 29 13:25:55 <alfa21> yep.. i can remember something about that... but not exactly what about
Nov 29 13:25:56 <Hire> the important thing is that isn't installed by default ...
Nov 29 13:26:07 <TAsn> i c.
Nov 29 13:26:10 <Hire> if you installed it into your FR is a your personal problem
Nov 29 13:26:42 <alfa21> let me see what I have in my debian
Nov 29 13:30:02 <alfa21> http://lame.sourceforge.net/ is GPL
Nov 29 13:31:01 <lindi-> alfa21: but affected by mp3 patents
Nov 29 13:32:29 <alfa21> mmh... but it's not in "nonfree"...
Nov 29 13:32:40 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I see the base apps depend on starling
Nov 29 13:32:43 <TAsn> why is that?
Nov 29 13:32:50 <alfa21> talking about debian feeds
Nov 29 13:33:30 <lindi-> alfa21: it's not in main either
Nov 29 13:34:30 <alfa21> wait wait... ur right!! :S
Nov 29 13:35:24 <alfa21> i've it installed but it's removed in any feed
Nov 29 13:35:48 <alfa21> it's no longer a debian package
Nov 29 13:37:14 <alfa21> so... what I should use to be a good guy? both in fr and in my pc?? :P
Nov 29 13:37:35 <alphaone> hey, anyone here using pdp.activatecontext who can test if gprs still works after applying this patch: http://pastebin.com/m337cc33b
Nov 29 13:54:18 <alfa21> http://www.mp3-tech.org/patents.html
Nov 29 13:59:25 <tmzt> alphaone: what is that for?
Nov 29 13:59:42 <tmzt> alphaone: for fso-frameworkd?
Nov 29 13:59:49 <alphaone> tmzt: yeah
Nov 29 14:22:49 <quickdev> dolf1074_away, here?
Nov 29 14:24:48 <TAsn> alphaone, I don't have time to try it, though the command should work on every non pin locked sim cards.
Nov 29 14:24:55 <TAsn> why do you want to removed it anyway?
Nov 29 14:25:19 <alphaone> TAsn: Because it doesn't work on my option UMTS card
Nov 29 14:25:28 <TAsn> i c.
Nov 29 14:25:43 <alphaone> TAsn: It reports SIM PIN2 here
Nov 29 15:05:28 * mrmoku_ is flashing his SHR fastboot image :-)
Nov 29 15:06:44 <alfa21> :)
Nov 29 15:06:53 <alfa21> fastboot=?
Nov 29 15:07:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: yay, yay
Nov 29 15:07:24 <mrmoku_> alfa21: openmoko's fastboot patches included in SHR
Nov 29 15:07:58 <alfa21> mmh... is it officially released or are you testing it as developer?
Nov 29 15:08:07 <Ainulindale> alfa21: testing it
Nov 29 15:08:19 <alfa21> fine :) go on then!!!
Nov 29 15:08:32 <alfa21> fasttest it! :D
Nov 29 15:08:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: did you get my point about adding pythm to the feed?
Nov 29 15:08:58 <Ainulindale> Oh nice you added mplayer as a default
Nov 29 15:09:14 <alfa21> mplayer rocks!
Nov 29 15:09:26 <alfa21> i love that proggy :)
Nov 29 15:09:49 <quickdev> mrmoku, do you know how much fastboot accelerates it? :)
Nov 29 15:09:54 <alfa21> it's my favourite player also at home
Nov 29 15:09:58 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I was just overflying the backlog... was working whole day :(
Nov 29 15:10:39 <Ainulindale> No problem with me
Nov 29 15:10:48 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: don't forget to git pull before git push :-)
Nov 29 15:11:12 <mrmoku> the nice thing with git is that it tells you about it ;)
Nov 29 15:11:26 <alfa21> hey quickdev ... what about your assigned tickets?
Nov 29 15:11:29 <Ainulindale> bumbl?
Nov 29 15:11:59 <quickdev> alfa21, a particular one? :)
Nov 29 15:12:06 <alfa21> i see you have quite a number :D lol
Nov 29 15:12:42 <bumbl> Ainulindale: ?
Nov 29 15:12:55 <alfa21> I'd like to see #159 closed ^^
Nov 29 15:13:10 <Ainulindale> bumbl: what about your bb recipe
Nov 29 15:13:17 <Ainulindale> quickdev: by the way
Nov 29 15:13:20 <Ainulindale> I did a bit of cleaning on trac
Nov 29 15:13:26 <alfa21> it'd improove the usability a lot
Nov 29 15:13:26 <quickdev> great, thank you
Nov 29 15:13:32 <Ainulindale> I reassigned a whole bunch of tickets to you as it's your issues :-)
Nov 29 15:13:33 <quickdev> alfa21, working on them :)
Nov 29 15:13:58 <quickdev> alfa21, first snapshots for example: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/acda88acaca50a0c4abf225f70e3c87d.png
Nov 29 15:14:14 <Ainulindale> Shiny quickdev 
Nov 29 15:14:19 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: about acceleration... my first test showed the initscripts cut 17s from the boottime
Nov 29 15:14:30 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yiiiii :-)
Nov 29 15:14:33 <mrmoku> testing again now to confirm
Nov 29 15:15:00 <alfa21> wow... but i do not understand... letters under numbers??
Nov 29 15:15:24 <alfa21> can i write an sms in old style keyboard?
Nov 29 15:15:36 <quickdev> alfa21, old style = qwerty?
Nov 29 15:15:51 <alfa21> no,, like old phones
Nov 29 15:15:54 <mrmoku> and than there is the udev enhancement giving about another 3s
Nov 29 15:15:59 <mrmoku> -a+e :)
Nov 29 15:16:14 <quickdev> mrmoku, so..where are we now?
Nov 29 15:17:13 <bumbl> Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/3V2DTu89.html
Nov 29 15:17:20 <alfa21> i'm seeing in your .png a 0-9 keypad with letters... is it supposed to be used also for composing sms?
Nov 29 15:17:21 <mrmoku> I think mileage may vary depending on kernel and if you boot from flash or SD
Nov 29 15:17:21 <Ainulindale> I have a problem with that
Nov 29 15:17:29 <Ainulindale> bumbl: sources do not mention version
Nov 29 15:17:47 <bumbl> yep I know
Nov 29 15:17:59 <Ainulindale> And the dependencies aren't right
Nov 29 15:18:05 <quickdev> alfa21, no, it isn't. just for dialing. QWERTY is used for messages
Nov 29 15:18:13 <Ainulindale> you also need libsdl-ttf, libsdl-mixer, libmikmod and livborbis
Nov 29 15:18:17 <alfa21> ah ok ^_^
Nov 29 15:18:21 <bumbl> ah 
Nov 29 15:18:21 <mrmoku> quickdev: the fastest I got booting with Qi from SD was 1 min 34 sec until the icons appear
Nov 29 15:18:28 <Ainulindale> bumbl: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/readme-openmoko.txt
Nov 29 15:18:54 <bumbl> Ainulindale: the src i mean is from a patched site
Nov 29 15:18:57 <bumbl> one moment afk
Nov 29 15:19:06 <Ainulindale> bumbl: Well it should be taken from that site then
Nov 29 15:19:11 <b0ef> I seem to be having the deep sleep issue #1024, no doubt, but is this AT sleep command part of fso-debian?
Nov 29 15:19:25 <Ainulindale> And I'm not sure you tested your recipe bumbl :-)
Nov 29 15:19:33 <Ainulindale> As there's no configure.ac in your source package
Nov 29 15:21:52 <Ainulindale> Could someone tell me what's the use of shortom?
Nov 29 15:22:16 <alfa21> i use shortom
Nov 29 15:22:22 <alfa21> it's handy
Nov 29 15:22:35 <Ainulindale> waht for?
Nov 29 15:22:54 <alfa21> u configure it with small batches and u can click on button to launch your command
Nov 29 15:23:58 <alfa21> for example... i use it to rotate the screen
Nov 29 15:24:22 <alfa21> or to launch other programs or script
Nov 29 15:24:43 <alfa21> for example my openvpn batch
Nov 29 15:24:58 <Ainulindale> Would you be able to make a bb recipe out of it? :-)
Nov 29 15:25:24 <alfa21> out of it = shortom?
Nov 29 15:25:26 <Ainulindale> yep
Nov 29 15:26:05 <alfa21> i'm a simple fr user... but if u teach me how to do a recipe... i could help u
Nov 29 15:26:46 <alfa21> (and i'm not the developer of shortom)
Nov 29 15:26:59 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I built a borked image without locales and shr theme :(
Nov 29 15:27:09 <mrmoku> But it boots in 1min 3sec from NOR u-boot and flash :)
Nov 29 15:27:37 <Ainulindale> Meh
Nov 29 15:28:00 <bumbl> Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/53h94164.html including missing deps and $PV
Nov 29 15:28:22 <Ainulindale> bumbl: it won't work anyway
Nov 29 15:28:28 <bumbl> Ainulindale: i don't have bitbake installed so I can't test it here
Nov 29 15:28:29 <Ainulindale> There's no autotools in the source package
Nov 29 15:28:36 <Ainulindale> Only a makefile
Nov 29 15:28:56 <Ainulindale> bumbl: Then I'd suggest you download an OE tree and try :-p
Nov 29 15:29:11 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: without locales? Do you have an old tmp dir?
Nov 29 15:29:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep, old tmp dir
Nov 29 15:29:37 <TAsn> Ainulindale, btw, what have you decided about adding the pyphonelog app to the image?
Nov 29 15:29:54 <TAsn> I really think it can boost shr's usability
Nov 29 15:30:01 <Ainulindale> If yes, then rm -rf tmp/stamps/*/task* tmp/stamps/*/shr* tmp/work/*/task* tmp/work/*/shr* tmp/pkgdata/*/task* tmp/pkgdata/*/runtime/task* tmp/pkgdata/cache
Nov 29 15:30:10 <Ainulindale> (damn didn't end that one)
Nov 29 15:30:26 <Ainulindale> If yes, then rm -rf tmp/stamps/*/task* tmp/stamps/*/shr* tmp/work/*/task* tmp/work/*/shr* tmp/pkgdata/*/task* tmp/pkgdata/*/runtime/task* tmp/pkgdata/*/shr* tmp/pkgdata/*/runtime/shr* cache
Nov 29 15:30:31 <Ainulindale> was I saying
Nov 29 15:30:52 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Yes we did, we're waiting for the patch in ophonekitd
Nov 29 15:30:53 <alfa21> TAsn, what's pyphonelog?
Nov 29 15:31:00 <Ainulindale> Last thing I know ptitjes was working on it but borked the repo
Nov 29 15:31:03 <Ainulindale> I had to revert his commit
Nov 29 15:31:16 <TAsn> working on what? adding pyphonelog?
Nov 29 15:31:23 <TAsn> alfa21, wiki.openmoko.org/PyPhonelog
Nov 29 15:31:30 <TAsn> alfa21, wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPhonelog
Nov 29 15:31:32 <Ainulindale> Feeding pyphonelog sqlite db in ophonekitd TAsn 
Nov 29 15:31:57 <TAsn> cool.
Nov 29 15:32:05 <alfa21> reading wiki
Nov 29 15:33:07 <alfa21> TAsn, it's a nice piece of software!!
Nov 29 15:33:07 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: rebuilding now... by the way in your oe diff is some part that is conflicting with my diff
Nov 29 15:33:27 <mrmoku> the last part in it - is removing two empty lines (xserver stuff)
Nov 29 15:33:47 <TAsn> alfa21, it's actually not that nice/cool/complex, though it works, and works good, and that's all I needed ;]
Nov 29 15:34:04 <TAsn> which reminds me, I should really finish a couple of stuff from the todo ;]
Nov 29 15:34:21 <alfa21> i'm saying nice by the "useful" point of view
Nov 29 15:34:40 <TAsn> I know ;]
Nov 29 15:34:58 <TAsn> it really is useful, though too bad it's necessary, I wish opimd was done already.
Nov 29 15:35:24 <alfa21> me toooo... opimd!!!!
Nov 29 15:35:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: you're not using latest diff
Nov 29 15:37:14 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: i just refetched it to check - the conflicting hunk is still there
Nov 29 15:37:27 <mrmoku> http://shr.bearstech.com/openembedded-shr-git.diff right?
Nov 29 15:37:56 <Ainulindale> Well, yes
Nov 29 15:38:05 <Ainulindale> And there is no difference of that name
Nov 29 15:38:13 <Ainulindale> Check that wget didn't create .1 or .2
Nov 29 15:38:24 <Ainulindale> Or that the file isn't opened somewhere
Nov 29 15:38:29 <Ainulindale> If so, firefox won't open it again
Nov 29 15:39:57 <mrmoku> heh, looks like it was in firefox cache - damn firefox
Nov 29 15:40:04 <Ainulindale> Told you :-)
Nov 29 15:40:06 <mrmoku> wget got something different :)
Nov 29 15:40:33 <alfa21> shift+reload to force the reload without the cache
Nov 29 15:42:17 <alfa21> are u rebuilding the shr feed? I'm not able to opkg update... mhh
Nov 29 15:45:49 <alfa21> Ainulindale, are u rebuilding the shr feed? I'm not able to opkg update... mhh
Nov 29 15:46:14 <Ainulindale> Why are you updating every hour? )à
Nov 29 15:46:15 <Ainulindale> =)
Nov 29 15:46:20 <Ainulindale> Yes, I'm rebuilding stuff.
Nov 29 15:46:28 <alfa21> ^_^ I'm addicted to shr
Nov 29 15:46:54 <alfa21> it's my dope
Nov 29 15:47:07 <Ainulindale> Hmpf mrmoku 
Nov 29 15:47:10 <Ainulindale> http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2294674.txt
Nov 29 15:47:34 <alfa21> i like to see things moving... and revisions growing
Nov 29 15:47:45 <alfa21> ;)
Nov 29 15:48:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: bad, baaaaad, mrmoku
Nov 29 15:48:36 * mrmoku is ashamed
Nov 29 15:48:50 * mrmoku is hiding in a corner
Nov 29 15:48:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: corrected it hopefulyl :-)
Nov 29 15:49:07 <Ainulindale> You should test your stuff more carefully though :-p
Nov 29 15:49:33 <mrmoku> to be honest that one I did not test at all, because my tree was building an image
Nov 29 15:49:41 <mrmoku> and I did not want to interrupt it
Nov 29 15:49:51 <mrmoku> thought it was an obvious change :(
Nov 29 15:49:58 <mrmoku> sorry
Nov 29 15:51:31 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I get Error, DISTRO_PR has changed
Nov 29 15:52:03 <mrmoku> it tells me to rebuild all packages :(
Nov 29 15:52:41 <Ainulindale> no necessity
Nov 29 15:52:48 <Ainulindale> just put DISTRO_PR = ".1" in your local.conf
Nov 29 15:53:05 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: you just forgot to add the file://
Nov 29 15:53:15 <mrmoku> Arghh
Nov 29 15:54:17 * mrmoku promises to never push untested .bb recipes ;)
Nov 29 15:54:24 <mrmoku> again
Nov 29 15:56:04 <alfa21> mh... in this moment nobody is able to get the feed, right? what do u think about rebuilding it in a different directory and only if all is ok move it into the production feed?
Nov 29 15:56:21 <bumbl> quickdev: wie heißt das elementary text input widget (das in C)
Nov 29 15:56:32 <mrmoku> accellerators are still disabled in frameworkd, right?
Nov 29 15:56:41 <quickdev> bumbl, elm_entry
Nov 29 15:57:14 <alfa21> (just my 2cents)
Nov 29 15:57:23 <Ainulindale> alfa21: We'll do that when we'll release
Nov 29 15:57:43 <alfa21> fine
Nov 29 15:57:46 <alfa21> ;)
Nov 29 16:08:51 <Dave> Hello gentlemen
Nov 29 16:09:48 * md2k7 greets his namesake
Nov 29 16:10:06 <Dave> :)
Nov 29 16:35:08 <Zorkman> seems like shr is getting more unstable everyday :(
Nov 29 16:35:35 <Zorkman> it always says gsm is connected, but dialer or messages or contacts don't work, restarting the framework also doesn't work
Nov 29 16:35:53 <kd8ikt> logread |grep gsm
Nov 29 16:36:11 <Zorkman> (already rebooted)
Nov 29 16:36:22 <Zorkman> the requests for the gsm keeps timing out
Nov 29 16:36:30 <Zorkman> (or something like that) when i restart the framework
Nov 29 16:36:31 <kd8ikt> hm
Nov 29 16:40:38 <mwester> Zorkman:  you broke it.
Nov 29 16:41:00 <Zorkman> too bad i can't fix it :)
Nov 29 16:41:33 <mwester> Try pulling the battery.  Powering off the phone doesn't power off the GSM.
Nov 29 16:42:12 <bumbl> just had another phonecall
Nov 29 16:42:14 <bumbl> good work
Nov 29 16:42:53 <bumbl> everything worked perfectly (except I didn't recognize the number of the caller (opimd when do you come))
Nov 29 16:43:03 <Zorkman> mwester: yeah that alwayw works, but the problem is that the gsm dies, without giving any notification
Nov 29 16:43:11 <Zorkman> the gsm gadget still says me i'm connected
Nov 29 16:43:25 <Zorkman> so i have to check every now and then if i can still open messages to see if my gsm is still up
Nov 29 16:43:32 <Zorkman> not very reliable that way
Nov 29 16:49:20 <md2k7> is there a reason why Gestures is so slow with screen orientation? takes ~ 8 s.
Nov 29 17:01:44 <TAsn> alfa21, like I promised, a new version for pyphonelog ;]
Nov 29 17:02:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: disabling the e splash saves about 5 secs... is it possible to have it disabled by default?
Nov 29 17:06:41 <TAsn> http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/screenshots/illume_keyboard.png - nice theme, lol ;]
Nov 29 17:08:01 <alfa21> mmh
Nov 29 17:09:10 <alfa21> TAsn, where i can get the new pyphonelog? or will it being included in shr feed?
Nov 29 17:09:57 <TAsn> about the shr feed I do not know
Nov 29 17:10:03 <TAsn> though you can get it from the wiki page
Nov 29 17:10:05 <TAsn> updated the link there.
Nov 29 17:10:15 <TAsn> wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPhonelog
Nov 29 17:11:05 <alfa21> 040?
Nov 29 17:12:01 <TAsn> aye.
Nov 29 17:12:14 <alfa21> i get a fancy 404 error page
Nov 29 17:12:25 <TAsn> oh
Nov 29 17:12:41 <TAsn> it's also version 0.4.0 ;]
Nov 29 17:12:46 <TAsn> sec I will try to figure that out. ;]
Nov 29 17:13:03 <alfa21> LOL
Nov 29 17:13:08 <alfa21> ROTFL
Nov 29 17:13:19 <alfa21> ROTFLMAO
Nov 29 17:14:14 <TAsn> it seems to be a problem with my server
Nov 29 17:14:21 <alfa21> ROTFLMAOSTC
Nov 29 17:14:33 <TAsn> sec, I'll contact my provider and up it somewhere else in the meanwhile.
Nov 29 17:14:37 <Zorkman> i'll check pyphonelog out
Nov 29 17:14:43 <alfa21> (and I have not any cat!)
Nov 29 17:16:09 <TAsn> http://www.filefactory.com/file/5c063a/n/fso-phonelog_0_4_0_armv4t_ipk
Nov 29 17:16:23 <Ainulindale> pyphonelog will be integrated as a package when we'll replace the daemon
Nov 29 17:17:14 <Dave> Alfa?
Nov 29 17:17:19 <Dave> Have you gone crazy?
Nov 29 17:17:21 <alfa21> dave?
Nov 29 17:17:46 <alfa21> yeah, probably I'm like this by design :D
Nov 29 17:17:57 <TAsn> Ainulindale, rewriting this in c?
Nov 29 17:17:59 <Dave> geeze
Nov 29 17:18:00 <TAsn> *it
Nov 29 17:18:13 <mrmoku> alfa21: like all italians? ;)
Nov 29 17:18:18 <Ainulindale> TAsn: no we already listen for callstatus
Nov 29 17:18:29 <Ainulindale> we just have to feed the info to the sqlite db
Nov 29 17:18:31 <alfa21> no, I'm better :D
Nov 29 17:18:35 <TAsn> Ainulindale, ;]
Nov 29 17:18:36 <TAsn> cool.
Nov 29 17:18:53 <TAsn> btw, the daemon also serves dbus info, the GUI reads from the dbus iface
Nov 29 17:18:58 <TAsn> not straight from the db.
Nov 29 17:19:41 <Dave> hahaha Italians?
Nov 29 17:20:18 <TAsn> Ainulindale, so you must be aware that for the gui to work you need either to have dbus methods available, or to rewrite the pyphonelog app a bit.
Nov 29 17:20:28 <Ainulindale> Are you willing to do a patch for that?
Nov 29 17:20:37 <Ainulindale> I mean, reading the journal from the sqlite db directly?
Nov 29 17:20:50 <Ainulindale> As doing a dbus provider for that is redundant wrt. opimd.
Nov 29 17:21:08 <TAsn> I'm not sure it's the desired way to handle this, but sure.
Nov 29 17:21:18 <Ainulindale> This unfortunately is
Nov 29 17:21:23 <Ainulindale> As when opimd will implement journal
Nov 29 17:21:26 <Ainulindale> It'll have dbus metods for that
Nov 29 17:21:28 <Ainulindale> +h
Nov 29 17:21:55 <TAsn> I know, that's why writing the temp apps in dbus is the desired course of action.
Nov 29 17:22:20 <alfa21> mmmmh
Nov 29 17:22:28 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Agreed
Nov 29 17:22:31 <TAsn> anyhow, when you want, just tell me, and I will write a patch to make it use the db instead of dbus.
Nov 29 17:22:40 <Ainulindale> if you're willing to do that, you could implement the dbus service in C and include it in ophonekitd
Nov 29 17:22:50 <Ainulindale> There's already an example
Nov 29 17:22:50 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I just might ;]
Nov 29 17:22:56 <TAsn> Ainulindale, link?
Nov 29 17:23:16 <Ainulindale> shr.bearstech.com/git
Nov 29 17:24:09 <Hire> ok
Nov 29 17:24:13 <Ainulindale> (shr.git, ophonekitd)
Nov 29 17:24:39 <TAsn> thanks.
Nov 29 17:24:52 <Ainulindale> I'd be more than glad if you helped us on that :-)
Nov 29 17:24:58 <TAsn> Hire, I'm really looking forward for your designs ;]
Nov 29 17:25:08 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9967f4e4f1c72b7c5fa77cc070249b91.png <--- do you like it?
Nov 29 17:25:14 <Hire> it is a stupid preview 
Nov 29 17:25:27 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I also promised i'll port some of 2007's apps to use frameworkd-glib when I find a spare moment.
Nov 29 17:25:39 <Ainulindale> which?
Nov 29 17:25:50 <Hire> who does this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/acda88acaca50a0c4abf225f70e3c87d.png
Nov 29 17:25:53 <Zorkman> hire: yes, but clock is overlapping the battery
Nov 29 17:26:02 <alfa21> Hire, clock and battery overlap is ugly
Nov 29 17:26:04 <Zorkman> hire: heard it was quickdev
Nov 29 17:26:08 <Hire> as I said before it is a stupid preview :D
Nov 29 17:26:09 <Ainulindale> Hire: quickdev
Nov 29 17:26:14 <Hire> cool 
Nov 29 17:26:17 <Hire> however
Nov 29 17:26:31 <Hire> i want to know if you like those icons 
Nov 29 17:26:45 <Zorkman> hire: they seem ok to me
Nov 29 17:26:52 <Ainulindale> Yeah Hire :-)
Nov 29 17:26:53 <bumbl> hmm i found the white version a bit better
Nov 29 17:27:01 <Hire> ok good
Nov 29 17:27:15 <Hire> battery and clock, yes, I know
Nov 29 17:27:31 <bumbl> because for the dark background one would have to change the gardient of the buttons
Nov 29 17:27:58 <quickdev> bumbl, I think I will set white to default
Nov 29 17:28:55 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: some problems with fbreader ...
Nov 29 17:29:19 <Zorkman> hire: why did you choose that particular image for aspetto?
Nov 29 17:30:13 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: 1. from the ui one cannot choose a line spacing > 2pt, so nothing is readable ... in the config file you can change it manually. 
Nov 29 17:30:54 <alfa21> aspetto = look and feel
Nov 29 17:30:58 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: 2. i couldnt navigate. before i could tap on the left and right to get back and forward in an ebook
Nov 29 17:31:09 <alfa21> Zorkman, to me is correct that image
Nov 29 17:31:58 <Zorkman> alfa21: i know what it means, but look and feel doesn't correspond to the image (i feel) but de gustibus et coloribus...
Nov 29 17:32:11 <alfa21> lol
Nov 29 17:32:17 <BluesLee> Hire: do you know ehat kind of icons are used in illumes config screens?
Nov 29 17:32:34 <Hire> no :O
Nov 29 17:32:51 <alfa21> but the magnifier is out of context... imho
Nov 29 17:33:31 <BluesLee> Hire: it could be worth a shot to catch those icons for the rest instead of changing everything
Nov 29 17:34:48 <BluesLee> does someone use starling?
Nov 29 17:34:58 <Zorkman> i did, before it started segfaulting
Nov 29 17:35:04 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 29 17:35:06 <Zorkman> it worked reasonably well
Nov 29 17:35:08 <BluesLee> same here
Nov 29 17:35:20 <BluesLee> segfaults
Nov 29 17:35:28 <BluesLee> is there an alternative?
Nov 29 17:35:34 <Zorkman> you could try mokoko...
Nov 29 17:35:41 <BluesLee> what?
Nov 29 17:35:44 <BluesLee> mokoko?
Nov 29 17:35:44 <Zorkman> (or pythm)
Nov 29 17:36:07 <Zorkman> http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/wiki/Mokoko
Nov 29 17:36:21 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: pythm is on the buildhost
Nov 29 17:36:27 <BluesLee> okay, is it in the shr feed?
Nov 29 17:36:32 <Zorkman> but i has some strange quirks, it doesn't show my playlist even if i click on it
Nov 29 17:36:45 <BluesLee> will try both
Nov 29 17:37:01 <BluesLee> it fits to my theme;-)
Nov 29 17:37:01 <Zorkman> yeah but Ainulindale: neither one of those apps are as userfriendly and stable as a 10euro mp3player
Nov 29 17:39:22 <Ainulindale> Build one and I'll ship it
Nov 29 17:40:00 <Dave> BluesLee!
Nov 29 17:40:26 <Dave> Zorkman: Mokoko?
Nov 29 17:41:06 <alfa21> TAsn, I cannot install your program because I need other deps :P
Nov 29 17:41:14 <Dave> :P
Nov 29 17:43:22 <BluesLee> Dave!
Nov 29 17:44:50 <Zorkman> dave: http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/wiki/Mokoko
Nov 29 17:45:41 <BluesLee> Zorkman: hey, mokoko is cool!
Nov 29 17:46:33 <Zorkman> does the playlist work BluesLee?
Nov 29 17:46:38 <Zorkman> here it only did once
Nov 29 17:46:55 <BluesLee> i dont use playlists
Nov 29 17:46:58 <BluesLee> ;-)
Nov 29 17:47:00 <Zorkman> :)
Nov 29 17:47:09 <Zorkman> too bad shr doesn't have something to dim and lock the phone
Nov 29 17:47:12 <BluesLee> its okay for me
Nov 29 17:47:22 <Zorkman> if you suspend mokoko is dead :)
Nov 29 17:47:30 <Dave> Zorkman yeah
Nov 29 17:47:31 <BluesLee> are you sure?
Nov 29 17:47:35 <Zorkman> jups
Nov 29 17:47:37 <Zorkman> try it :)
Nov 29 17:47:41 <Dave> dood
Nov 29 17:47:41 <Zorkman> it also says so on their site
Nov 29 17:47:44 <Dave> :P
Nov 29 17:47:47 <BluesLee> then dim it
Nov 29 17:47:53 <BluesLee> and dont supsend
Nov 29 17:48:12 <Zorkman> and lock?
Nov 29 17:48:15 <Dave> but you need to lock!
Nov 29 17:48:23 <Dave> yeah, and there is no capability for that.
Nov 29 17:48:23 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 29 17:48:26 <alfa21> to workaround the inexistence of a lockscreen i disalbe the singleclick launch for application
Nov 29 17:48:42 <TAsn> alfa21, what deps?
Nov 29 17:48:45 <BluesLee> i think quickdev has some ideas concerning screen lock;-)
Nov 29 17:48:47 <Dave> alfa!
Nov 29 17:48:52 <Dave> What an ingenius idea!
Nov 29 17:49:07 <TAsn> alfa21, just install epdfview and set it to full screen :]
Nov 29 17:49:11 <quickdev> BluesLee, illume should handle screen lock. Or what do you mean?
Nov 29 17:49:12 <Zorkman> why not use a screenlock like in 2008.x? press the aux key, there dim and lock works fine
Nov 29 17:49:12 <BluesLee> alfa21: hey, good idea
Nov 29 17:49:14 <TAsn> though I still can't find a way to exit that. ;]
Nov 29 17:49:34 <BluesLee> quickdev: yeah, in that case its rasters job
Nov 29 17:49:37 <Zorkman> TAsn will write a lock application to use with siglaunchd :)
Nov 29 17:49:46 <Dave> yep
Nov 29 17:49:47 <BluesLee> quickdev: but we should map it on aux or whatever
Nov 29 17:49:48 <TAsn> exactly what I was about to write ;]
Nov 29 17:49:54 <Zorkman> gogo :)
Nov 29 17:49:58 <Zorkman> i'ml off to the restaurtant
Nov 29 17:49:59 <alfa21> TAsn, i need the ipk for sqlite... and right now the shrfeed is offline
Nov 29 17:50:11 <TAsn> alfa21, oh, sucks ;\
Nov 29 17:50:25 <TAsn> try the angstrom/om2008 feeds instead.
Nov 29 17:50:51 <TAsn> it's supposed to be the same.
Nov 29 17:51:08 <TAsn> I should actually map the deps for both siglaunchd and pyphonelog
Nov 29 17:52:19 <alfa21> nono i do not want to get Ainulindale hungry ;)
Nov 29 17:52:27 <Dave> uggh
Nov 29 17:52:30 <Dave> Ainu
Nov 29 17:52:45 <alfa21> i'll never get mix distros again :P
Nov 29 17:52:52 <Dave> :D
Nov 29 17:53:09 <pieterc> Zorkman: wish your mom a happy birthday from us all ;)
Nov 29 17:53:13 <Dave> goddamn, I hate this power charging bullshit
Nov 29 17:53:18 <BluesLee> i wanted to tap my monitor:-)
Nov 29 17:53:53 <alfa21> which bullsh*t, Dave ?
Nov 29 17:55:00 <Hire> argh
Nov 29 17:55:02 <Hire> my head ...
Nov 29 17:55:49 <Dave> Blueslee :P
Nov 29 17:55:57 <Dave> alfa, usb charging issues ~_~
Nov 29 17:56:08 <Dave> I'd rather not get into it further (otherwise read the hw ml from months ago)
Nov 29 17:56:09 <bumbl> is the fastbootimage out already
Nov 29 17:56:14 <Dave> haha
Nov 29 17:56:21 <TAsn> the most irritating bug is the discharging when battery is full. I mean, when connected to power supply it will discharge the battery if it was at any point full while connected ;[
Nov 29 17:57:10 <Dave> yep
Nov 29 17:57:14 <alfa21> uh? maybe I've lost something??
Nov 29 17:57:15 <Dave> yep!
Nov 29 17:57:18 <alfa21> yep
Nov 29 17:57:20 <Dave> Tasn, mine actually DIES
Nov 29 17:57:20 <alfa21> :S
Nov 29 17:57:35 <Dave> it goes below 4% eventually, while happily sitting there having been connected to usb power forever
Nov 29 17:57:39 <Dave> then shuts down \o/
Nov 29 17:57:47 <Dave> sometimes it deeply discharges too - hilarious.
Nov 29 17:57:58 <Dave> I'm swapping batteries every couple days.
Nov 29 17:58:04 <alfa21> are you kidding me?
Nov 29 17:58:23 <Dave> Nope.
Nov 29 17:58:25 <bumbl> no
Nov 29 17:58:26 <Dave> Not in the slightest.
Nov 29 17:58:44 <bumbl> although it didn't happen with shr and qi
Nov 29 17:58:51 <bumbl> it always halted before
Nov 29 17:59:05 <bumbl> deep discharge
Nov 29 17:59:13 <TAsn> bumbl, you use qi?
Nov 29 17:59:29 <TAsn> Dave, that's rather annoying ;]
Nov 29 17:59:33 <TAsn> happens to me as well.
Nov 29 17:59:38 <Dave> It is far beyond annoying.
Nov 29 17:59:43 <TAsn> hehe ;]
Nov 29 17:59:56 <Dave> makes me want to throw exploding lithium cells at openmoko.tw
Nov 29 18:00:10 * Dave eyes Joerg
Nov 29 18:00:19 <TAsn> hehe.
Nov 29 18:00:24 <Dave> also makes me want to retroactively purchase an 810 ;D
Nov 29 18:00:26 <TAsn> am I missing something?
Nov 29 18:00:33 <Dave> yeah
Nov 29 18:00:42 <safire> any X11 developers here?  getting strange return code from XkbGetNames()
Nov 29 18:00:44 <TAsn> Dave, really? (concerning the 810)
Nov 29 18:00:53 <Dave> maybe :P
Nov 29 18:01:14 <sicu> hmm, i thought they already had a patch for trickle-charging a few weeks ago?
Nov 29 18:01:45 <Dave> teh uBoats?
Nov 29 18:02:11 <TAsn> sicu, if you find any proofs, pm me with the link ;]
Nov 29 18:02:15 <quickdev> bumbl, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/834c62a4748f8101ee48d92b20a12942.png
Nov 29 18:02:16 <Dave> UGGH
Nov 29 18:02:20 <Dave> DEEPLY DISCHARGED AGAIN
Nov 29 18:02:25 <Dave> thanks shr
Nov 29 18:02:38 * sicu goes looking for proof
Nov 29 18:02:56 <sicu> absinth, 89 proof
Nov 29 18:03:11 <Dave> bah
Nov 29 18:03:32 <TAsn> quickdev, I don't think this is necessary...
Nov 29 18:03:42 <Hire> i find it a bit plain
Nov 29 18:03:43 <TAsn> I mean, you don't need to open the contact list from the dialer...
Nov 29 18:03:44 <Dave> ute ute ute...
Nov 29 18:04:02 <TAsn> you need to have a 2007 like auto completion though ;]
Nov 29 18:04:25 <sicu> Dave ;]
Nov 29 18:04:36 <sicu> Hire: what's a bit of a pain ?
Nov 29 18:04:37 <quickdev> TAsn, it was easy to implement and now it's there ;)
Nov 29 18:04:37 <Dave> er du full? :P
Nov 29 18:04:47 <TAsn> quickdev, opening the contacts isn't related to the dialer, the contacts menu should just have a call button instead ;]
Nov 29 18:04:51 <alfa21> quickdev, u r not allowed to stay here! go and fix #159! ;P
Nov 29 18:04:52 <TAsn> quickdev, ;]
Nov 29 18:04:54 <Hire> :|
Nov 29 18:04:55 <sicu> Dave: jobber med saken
Nov 29 18:05:00 <Hire> plain I said :|
Nov 29 18:05:00 <TAsn> alfa21, what's 159?
Nov 29 18:05:12 <sicu> Hire: ahh .. sorry ;p
Nov 29 18:05:29 <alfa21> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/159
Nov 29 18:05:35 <quickdev> TAsn, it is related. You want to call someone...you click "Dialer". Then you don't remember the number -> click "Contacts"
Nov 29 18:06:02 <quickdev> alfa21, it's already here in my local changes
Nov 29 18:06:15 <TAsn> quickdev, if I don't know the number I click contacts... ;] though I guess im more self aware than everyone else ;]
Nov 29 18:06:19 <alfa21> ^_^ ok, so you are allowed to stay
Nov 29 18:07:08 <sicu> quickdev: i like it =]
Nov 29 18:07:32 <sicu> TAsn: the ui should always be dummy-proof ;]
Nov 29 18:07:41 <alfa21> yep... but personally prefer the black version
Nov 29 18:07:45 <TAsn> sicu, ;]
Nov 29 18:08:01 <quickdev> alfa21, you can create a "black" theme later
Nov 29 18:08:08 <alfa21> :D
Nov 29 18:08:17 <alfa21> I like this community
Nov 29 18:08:18 <sicu> quickdev: try with black background again, but with white buttons :]
Nov 29 18:08:28 <Dave> ah ;p
Nov 29 18:08:32 <sicu> ah .. ok, will try myself =]
Nov 29 18:08:34 <quickdev> sicu, you could create one, too ;)
Nov 29 18:08:37 <Dave> bear tech?
Nov 29 18:08:39 <TAsn> although I felt stupid doing it, I unplugged and replugged the moko so it'll charge.. ;\
Nov 29 18:08:43 <quickdev> as of now, white keypad is default :)
Nov 29 18:08:44 <alfa21> no, checkered buttons B/W
Nov 29 18:08:47 <alfa21> :D
Nov 29 18:08:48 <Dave> When Bears have tech, you know you had better start running!
Nov 29 18:08:53 <Dave> Time for a new motivational poster?
Nov 29 18:08:57 <TAsn> Dave, lol.
Nov 29 18:09:08 * sicu creates a personal quickdev for everyone to do their bidding
Nov 29 18:09:09 <sicu> ;p
Nov 29 18:09:22 <alfa21> tnx sicu 
Nov 29 18:09:37 <sicu> hehe ... anytime
Nov 29 18:09:51 <BluesLee> can someone help with pythongtk?
Nov 29 18:09:52 <TAsn> Hire, There might be an article in one of the main news sites here about the moko, and I might give them mine to shoot, so I really need your theme!!! Though no pressure ;]
Nov 29 18:09:58 <TAsn> BluesLee, sure.
Nov 29 18:10:03 <TAsn> what do you need?
Nov 29 18:10:16 <BluesLee> TAsn: i need bigger tabs in a notebook
Nov 29 18:10:24 <TAsn> that's gtkrc stuff...
Nov 29 18:10:26 <TAsn> iirc.
Nov 29 18:11:00 <TAsn> though you can check this out: http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtknotebook.html
Nov 29 18:11:08 <sicu> adds a little pressure
Nov 29 18:11:15 <alfa21> oh ... dear friends... I've to go now :(
Nov 29 18:11:20 <Hire> TAsn: what do you want? Some screens?
Nov 29 18:11:31 <TAsn> no, I want a cool looking theme ;]
Nov 29 18:11:35 <sicu> alfa21: cya =]
Nov 29 18:11:36 <BluesLee> TAsn: i know the link
Nov 29 18:11:51 <Hire> TAsn: argh... for that you have to wait :D
Nov 29 18:12:05 <TAsn> they will be shooting the phone, I will of course give em some cool scap mods ;]
Nov 29 18:12:17 <TAsn> BluesLee, as I said, iirc it's a gtkrc setting
Nov 29 18:12:21 <TAsn> which isn't related to pygtk.
Nov 29 18:12:37 <TAsn> though you can easily ask for help about gtkrc in #gtk+
Nov 29 18:12:37 <sicu> TAsn: target practice ?
Nov 29 18:12:47 <sicu> what will they be shooting with ?
Nov 29 18:12:50 <TAsn> sicu, with a BB gun though.
Nov 29 18:13:06 <sicu> owww ... but i still want to join =]
Nov 29 18:13:19 <TAsn> they are trying to see if the screen protector holds...
Nov 29 18:13:33 <TAsn> if it will, we might move to crossbows.
Nov 29 18:13:39 <sicu> haha .. and make sure the touch-screen is sensitive enough ... i'm sure
Nov 29 18:14:38 <TAsn> let's just hope it holds ;]
Nov 29 18:15:03 <sicu> ok guys .. i'm off out for a bit ... before i'm blamed for turning cdevel # offtopic
Nov 29 18:15:06 <BluesLee> TAsn: this simple app http://www.opkg.org/images/screenshots/thumbnails/launcher_0.2_shr.png
Nov 29 18:15:44 <TAsn> is there a someone developing opimd? or it's not going anywhere?
Nov 29 18:16:13 <TAsn> BluesLee, I think you should make the picture larger ;]
Nov 29 18:16:31 <TAsn> btw, I find the default tab buttons size more than suitable for my needs.
Nov 29 18:16:45 <BluesLee> TAsn: its not finger friendly
Nov 29 18:16:57 <BluesLee> TAsn: not at the borders of the neo
Nov 29 18:17:24 <TAsn> BluesLee, I have another suggestion, though it is a little hackish, maybe try to make the label larger, it may be that the notebook is auto resizeable...
Nov 29 18:17:29 <BluesLee> TAsn: and the screenshot does not say anything about reality
Nov 29 18:17:31 <TAsn> (notebook tab button)
Nov 29 18:17:46 <BluesLee> TAsn: okay
Nov 29 18:17:59 <TAsn> BluesLee, I use the default size on shr, and I find it finger friendly, though as you said, not on the borders...
Nov 29 18:18:16 <Dave> hi where i can download teh blueeeeezzzleeeee theme!?!?!?!
Nov 29 18:18:30 <TAsn> Dave, gimme a screenie first ;]
Nov 29 18:18:33 <Dave> i hear it iz teh koolest!111
Nov 29 18:18:36 <BluesLee> TAsn: where do i change it globally?
Nov 29 18:18:52 <TAsn> gtkrc file...
Nov 29 18:18:56 <TAsn> google for gtkrc...
Nov 29 18:19:27 <BluesLee> Dave: hehe, yes it is
Nov 29 18:19:35 <Dave> In other news, new dialer looks sweet :)
Nov 29 18:20:00 <BluesLee> Dave: ask hire, he told me that he will do that also;-)
Nov 29 18:20:04 <TAsn> btw, I found the glade ui manager and the pygtk reference page to be a very good resource for learning about gtk objects/attributes/etc...
Nov 29 18:20:04 <sicu> TAsn: i think they're still waiting for abraxa to continue opimd, and if he decides to not show up, they will enter om-discussion-mode and eventually (read; be patient) find someone to pick up his burden
Nov 29 18:20:21 <TAsn> sicu, abraxa is too busy.
Nov 29 18:20:36 <TAsn> same goes for every non om-employed individual
Nov 29 18:20:44 <Hire> yes but I prefer if quickdev does the new dialer and other things
Nov 29 18:21:04 <TAsn> it's a big project, not code-wise, but design-wise...
Nov 29 18:21:08 <sicu> quickdev already has done the new dialer
Nov 29 18:21:30 <TAsn> it's should be designed perfectly because it's the core for many applications for the moko.
Nov 29 18:21:41 <tuxi> anyone can help me setting up qemu and shr?
Nov 29 18:21:53 <tuxi> i really cant find an reasonable tutorial
Nov 29 18:22:13 <sicu> TAsn: sadly yes .. and i think we'll have to wait quite a while longer
Nov 29 18:22:28 <TAsn> sicu, that's why I hacked together pyphonelog
Nov 29 18:22:42 <TAsn> and will probably hack together a message poller/contacts system
Nov 29 18:22:52 <TAsn> "just for the meantime..."
Nov 29 18:23:08 <TAsn> I don't have enough time to work on a full pim system ;[
Nov 29 18:23:15 <BluesLee> TAsn: thanx, which shr apps do use gtk?
Nov 29 18:23:20 <sicu> but i don't mind, the FR is usable to me anyways, and it's always exciting answering the phone and see who's on the other end ;]
Nov 29 18:23:28 <TAsn> BluesLee, none.
Nov 29 18:23:33 <TAsn> well none of the default ones.
Nov 29 18:23:36 <dolf1074_away> quickdev: now i'm here for a couple of minutes ;)
Nov 29 18:23:37 <TAsn> I write in gtk
Nov 29 18:23:43 <TAsn> minimo is gtk iirc
Nov 29 18:23:44 <BluesLee> TAsn: thats good
Nov 29 18:23:58 <TAsn> oh, almost forgot
Nov 29 18:24:01 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c4f91a2fb7f6ea0a997ef795965ddda.png <--- now it is a bit better
Nov 29 18:24:07 <BluesLee> TAsn:  changed the gtkrc
Nov 29 18:24:26 <TAsn> does anyone remember the name of the app that loads apps to memory so their boot time will be faster?
Nov 29 18:24:30 <TAsn> I can't recall the name.
Nov 29 18:24:32 <TAsn> BluesLee, works?
Nov 29 18:24:38 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 29 18:24:46 <TAsn> BluesLee, cool ;]
Nov 29 18:24:53 <TAsn> what are you writing?
Nov 29 18:24:57 <bumbl> TAsn: yes i use qi
Nov 29 18:25:03 <Hire> I said
Nov 29 18:25:05 <bumbl> quickdev: *thumbs up*
Nov 29 18:25:08 <Hire> now it is bit better
Nov 29 18:25:12 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c4f91a2fb7f6ea0a997ef795965ddda.png 
Nov 29 18:25:14 <TAsn> bumbl, man, you are a slow responder ;]
Nov 29 18:25:18 <BluesLee> TAsn: nothing, changed only shortom look, it should be finger friendly
Nov 29 18:25:23 <quickdev> dolf1074_away, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/834c62a4748f8101ee48d92b20a12942.png
Nov 29 18:25:26 <BluesLee> TAsn: i lost my stylus;-)
Nov 29 18:25:29 <bumbl> TAsn: yep
Nov 29 18:25:43 <dolf1074_away> nice nice 
Nov 29 18:25:45 <TAsn> BluesLee, LOL~ ;]
Nov 29 18:25:48 <bumbl> I don't have the time to be on irc all the time
Nov 29 18:25:49 <Hire> I SAID
Nov 29 18:25:50 <TAsn> what's shortom?
Nov 29 18:25:52 <Hire> FOR THE SECOND TIME
Nov 29 18:26:00 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c4f91a2fb7f6ea0a997ef795965ddda.png <-- NOW IS A BIT BETTER
Nov 29 18:26:04 <quickdev> dolf1074_away, there was something I wanted to ask you..but I forgot about it ;)
Nov 29 18:26:05 <TAsn> bumbl, you should find more time then ;]
Nov 29 18:26:06 <TAsn> j/k.
Nov 29 18:26:21 <esa-petri>  what dfu-utl dfu_download error -71 means
Nov 29 18:26:26 <TAsn> anyhow, can someone recall the name of the app i was talking about?
Nov 29 18:26:26 <bumbl> TAsn: I am searching for the 34 hour day since years
Nov 29 18:26:27 <BluesLee> TAsn: http://www.opkg.org/package_28.html
Nov 29 18:26:28 <dolf1074_away> quickdev: you will remember ;)
Nov 29 18:26:37 <Hire> argh
Nov 29 18:27:14 <TAsn> bumbl, with few minor adjustments this may work for you: http://xkcd.com/320/
Nov 29 18:27:24 <sicu> Hire: yes, clearer icons, nice =]
Nov 29 18:27:34 <dolf1074_away> quickdev: did you already looked for the slidebutton, if that is possible?
Nov 29 18:27:46 <quickdev> dolf1074_away, which ticket is it?
Nov 29 18:27:49 <TAsn> BluesLee, sweet ;]
Nov 29 18:27:54 <dolf1074_away> http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/dialer_open.jpg
Nov 29 18:28:04 <dolf1074_away> no ticket, just some thing out my mockup that I like
Nov 29 18:28:10 <BluesLee> quickdev & Ainulindale: is there a general problem with the keyboards if rotated and rotaed back?
Nov 29 18:28:17 <BluesLee> TAsn: its not my app!
Nov 29 18:28:26 <quickdev> dolf1074_away, instead I chose the "options" button
Nov 29 18:28:27 <TAsn> BluesLee, oh.
Nov 29 18:28:29 <quickdev> it's more intuitive
Nov 29 18:28:45 <Hire> i had a bad headache
Nov 29 18:28:56 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, thumbs up!
Nov 29 18:28:58 <dolf1074_away> quickdev: ok, but maybe call it 'more..' and change the Call and options from place
Nov 29 18:28:59 <TAsn> grrr
Nov 29 18:29:02 <dolf1074_away> so the call is in the middle
Nov 29 18:29:05 <TAsn> dolf1074_away,  thumbs up!
Nov 29 18:29:06 <dolf1074_away> more intuitive
Nov 29 18:29:09 <TAsn> that screenie is cool.
Nov 29 18:29:14 <BluesLee> Hire: there is a cool juggling video called headache
Nov 29 18:29:29 <BluesLee> TAsn: do you like my screenshots?
Nov 29 18:29:31 <TAsn> I actually like glade the most though.
Nov 29 18:29:33 <dolf1074_away> TAsn: thanks
Nov 29 18:29:33 <bumbl> hmm TAsn won't work too
Nov 29 18:29:40 <TAsn> bumbl, ?
Nov 29 18:29:57 <TAsn> with glade one can design a working app with a nice gui
Nov 29 18:30:07 <TAsn> and a better designer can modify it
Nov 29 18:30:10 <TAsn> cya.
Nov 29 18:30:13 <TAsn> gtg
Nov 29 18:30:21 <bumbl> because I have to come ready to appointments which would be in the time i would be sleeping
Nov 29 18:30:35 <BluesLee> quickdev: something is missing there
Nov 29 18:31:31 <dolf1074_away> quickdev: I will try to finish my spec tonight and then we can argue. :)
Nov 29 18:34:18 <bumbl> dolf1074_away: the mockup looks good, although I would make the icons bigger
Nov 29 18:43:05 <pieterc> hey, I want a c+ compiler on my freerunner... but whenever i try to compile something, even a hello world script... it gives this error:
Nov 29 18:43:19 <pieterc> g++: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
Nov 29 18:43:27 <pieterc> anyone encoutered the same problem?
Nov 29 18:45:09 <md2k7> i dont think many people want a compiler *on* their phone
Nov 29 18:45:16 <md2k7> usually you cross-compile...
Nov 29 18:45:37 <pieterc> yes... but i want to create simple c++ terminal programs on the train ;)
Nov 29 18:45:56 <md2k7> why not use shellscripts or python?
Nov 29 18:46:06 <bumbl> i want to report a bug
Nov 29 18:46:15 <bumbl> when I am on usb
Nov 29 18:46:20 <bumbl> and i remove the battery
Nov 29 18:46:28 <pieterc> I got c++ at school...
Nov 29 18:46:32 <bumbl> shr tells me that it is on low battary
Nov 29 18:46:39 <bumbl> and goes down after some time
Nov 29 18:46:55 <sicu> bumbl: it would be correct ... very low battery ;p
Nov 29 18:47:03 <bumbl> sicu: yep
Nov 29 18:47:13 <bumbl> but enough to stay up and running
Nov 29 18:48:24 <sicu> bumbl: i can reproduce that here, though the battery icon says it's empty
Nov 29 18:48:53 <md2k7> I just had my keyboard in full width in landscape, but now it is scaled down again :(
Nov 29 18:49:59 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 29 18:50:11 <bumbl> and now the led does not work anymore
Nov 29 18:50:18 <bumbl> usb plugged in
Nov 29 18:50:31 <bumbl> ah now it works
Nov 29 18:50:45 <bumbl> frameworkd takes ages to start
Nov 29 19:02:28 <bumbl> what channel do I have to turn up in order to get a louder "earloudspeaker" during a phonecall
Nov 29 19:17:17 <sicu> yeh, mine is also too low, though i thought that was a echo/buzzing preventative action?
Nov 29 19:19:41 <bumbl> not only
Nov 29 19:20:08 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer2 promised this will get away with moko11
Nov 29 19:20:56 <DocScrutinizer2> what? I never promise things I don't know for sure
Nov 29 19:21:09 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer2: you did
Nov 29 19:21:23 <sicu> me is thrilled about mMoko10, and will be nothing less than extatic with Moko19
Nov 29 19:21:40 <bumbl> you said moko 11 is going to get proper default volume settings
Nov 29 19:21:47 <bumbl> on the ml i think
Nov 29 19:22:36 <DocScrutinizer2> bumbl: probably I said " we are planning to do this"x
Nov 29 19:23:57 <bumbl> anyway I would appreciate it 
Nov 29 19:24:05 <DocScrutinizer2> for now there aren't even plans for a MOKO11, though it might come pretty soon
Nov 29 19:25:38 <DocScrutinizer2> and for sure we will look into having better defaults for this version, if we find the time and there's no urgent need to get out some fixed FW even without them
Nov 29 19:27:15 <DocScrutinizer2> for now it seems pretty much of these settings can be done via AT, so it's not very high priority, as we need some kind of init for calypso anyway
Nov 29 19:27:40 <DocScrutinizer2> also for devices that haven't updated gsm-FW yet
Nov 29 19:27:58 <Dave> Doc!
Nov 29 19:28:33 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: Qu'est?
Nov 29 19:29:02 <Dave> power woes again ~_~
Nov 29 19:29:12 <Dave> They will haunt me for the rest of my days :(
Nov 29 19:29:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: rebuilt my image but still no language selection in e
Nov 29 19:29:34 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: take your pills!
Nov 29 19:29:37 <mrmoku> any idea?
Nov 29 19:31:58 <Dave> :(
Nov 29 19:32:31 <Arg0naut> #openmoko
Nov 29 19:32:31 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: c'mon. smile! :-)
Nov 29 19:33:01 <Dave> J, I might buy an 810
Nov 29 19:33:10 <DocScrutinizer2> tell me if I can help
Nov 29 19:33:11 <Dave> I'm tired of this shit, and I want something I can actually use which is nice.
Nov 29 19:33:58 * md2k7 is another one of these people that thought this phone would actually work
Nov 29 19:34:21 <md2k7> no, you guys are really doing great progress
Nov 29 19:34:48 <DocScrutinizer2> md2k7: actually it starts to do
Nov 29 19:35:10 <DocScrutinizer2> at least my impression
Nov 29 19:43:37 * md2k7 is ready for take off running rasterman's get_e.sh
Nov 29 19:44:07 <md2k7> hope i can figure out why the keyboard is scaled down
Nov 29 19:44:17 <md2k7> it already worked full-width :/
Nov 29 19:46:04 <BluesLee> why there is no loop device on the neo?
Nov 29 19:49:34 <mwester> Because someone forgot to configure udev to create those devices?
Nov 29 19:49:42 <Dave> THere isn't?
Nov 29 19:49:44 <Dave> lo?
Nov 29 19:50:00 <Dave> BL, it's there.
Nov 29 19:50:14 <BluesLee> mwester: how do i do that? mknod /dev/loop b 7 0?
Nov 29 19:50:31 <mwester> something like that.  google for the exact syntax
Nov 29 19:50:42 <mwester> it would be loop0, loop1, etc.
Nov 29 19:50:48 <BluesLee> mwester: and where should i put it into the bootprocess?
Nov 29 19:50:58 <mwester> dunno
Nov 29 19:51:26 <bumbl> BluesLee: modprobe the driver
Nov 29 19:51:30 <mwester> you could start with seeing what might be missing from udev, as it's often udev that does this via a hack.
Nov 29 19:51:32 <BluesLee> is it compiled into the kernel?
Nov 29 19:51:52 <Dave> udev is a hack :[
Nov 29 19:52:03 <BluesLee> bumbl: there is no loop module
Nov 29 19:52:17 <mwester> bumbl:  I don't think the driver creates the nodes -- IIRC it's like the ppp module -- the node needs to be created manually as it cannot be created via sysfs.
Nov 29 19:52:21 <bumbl> ah either it's not compiled at all or it's in the kernel
Nov 29 19:52:38 <mwester> BluesLee:  you'll need to install the module then.
Nov 29 19:52:43 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 29 19:52:52 <Dave> whee moko kernel module building...,
Nov 29 19:53:01 <bumbl> mwester: on my desktop a modprobe loop creates the node
Nov 29 19:53:04 * Dave jumps off a nearby bridge
Nov 29 19:53:12 <bumbl> it is not there without the driver loaded
Nov 29 19:53:20 <BluesLee> mwester: thanx
Nov 29 19:54:07 <von_fritz> Hire, oggi ho comprato un attacco pr il moko da fissare sul manubrio della bici e dunque ....... ;)
Nov 29 19:54:29 <bumbl> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m
Nov 29 19:54:34 <Dave> :)
Nov 29 19:54:36 <von_fritz> ops soory :)
Nov 29 19:54:36 <bumbl> the module should be compiled
Nov 29 19:54:43 <bumbl> but it's not there
Nov 29 19:55:04 <Dave> eh ohs
Nov 29 19:55:04 <bumbl> (output of zcat /proc/modules | grep LOOP on the neo)
Nov 29 19:55:11 <mwester> bumbl:  what distro?   Fedora has the standard udev rules that create it manually; makedev.d/50-udev.nodes
Nov 29 19:55:24 <bumbl> mwester: gentoo on the desktop
Nov 29 19:55:32 <bumbl> it's not there on boot
Nov 29 19:55:40 <bumbl> when i modprobe loop it's there
Nov 29 19:55:41 <mwester> Ah, that's Totally Different Linux (TDL)
Nov 29 19:55:46 <bumbl> yep
Nov 29 19:55:59 <bumbl> linux for users with too much time
Nov 29 19:56:05 <bumbl> lfuwtmt
Nov 29 19:56:09 <mwester> Either modprobe has a rule, or someone modified the loop driver.
Nov 29 19:56:37 <mwester> In any case, it won't be created unless you do it manually on the Om distro -- it's a stock kernel in that respect.
Nov 29 19:56:57 <bumbl> and modprobe -r loop removes the node again
Nov 29 19:59:42 <BluesLee> okay, made an 400 mb osm maps image for tangogps
Nov 29 20:01:37 <Dave> TDL?
Nov 29 20:03:49 <BluesLee> how do i check if a file exists in a shell?
Nov 29 20:04:09 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 29 20:04:19 <bumbl> although I like git more
Nov 29 20:04:33 <bumbl> I have to say that the subversion integration in eclipse rocks
Nov 29 20:05:30 <BluesLee> if ! test -d /dev/loop0 ?
Nov 29 20:06:20 <BluesLee> okay -f
Nov 29 20:12:20 <Dave> Joerg, I summon you!
Nov 29 20:12:30 <Dave> Blueslee, what's all this about anyway?
Nov 29 20:12:33 <Dave> or what is it concrning?
Nov 29 20:12:37 <Dave> concerning
Nov 29 20:15:00 <BluesLee> Dave: instead of having thousands of osm maps i have one container for it
Nov 29 20:21:14 <Dave> duh
Nov 29 20:21:25 <Dave> :)
Nov 29 20:21:37 <Dave> Why would you have it any other way :)
Nov 29 20:22:28 <BluesLee> some image viewers start scanning all pics ... 
Nov 29 20:23:05 <BluesLee> and its crazy to have 60000 files of the same type if you use them only with one app
Nov 29 20:24:03 <BluesLee> but i have a problem
Nov 29 20:24:24 <BluesLee> my tangogps script looks like
Nov 29 20:24:25 <BluesLee> mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0
Nov 29 20:24:26 <BluesLee> mount -o loop -t ext3 /media/card/Documents/osm.img /home/root/Maps/OSM/
Nov 29 20:24:26 <BluesLee> tangogps
Nov 29 20:24:26 <BluesLee> umount /home/root/Maps/OSM/
Nov 29 20:25:55 <BluesLee> the script finishes before umounting if i exit tangogps via illumes X
Nov 29 20:26:46 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: ever thought about creating a new user/group for OSM-files and set them to 700, and join that user to tago's groups?
Nov 29 20:27:26 <BluesLee> and then?
Nov 29 20:27:42 <DocScrutinizer> then only tango can open them ;-)
Nov 29 20:28:08 <BluesLee> i dont care about that
Nov 29 20:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> not the imageviewer
Nov 29 20:28:16 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 29 20:28:25 <BluesLee> now i understand you
Nov 29 20:28:38 <BluesLee> the problem is with qt based distros
Nov 29 20:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> the imageviewer is root
Nov 29 20:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 29 20:29:10 <BluesLee> if i would flash one of those now qt would scan my sd card forever
Nov 29 20:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Nov 29 20:29:54 <BluesLee> yes, by default it scans all media files ...
Nov 29 20:30:08 <BluesLee> mp3s jpgs txt ...
Nov 29 20:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> all it could open
Nov 29 20:30:18 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 29 20:30:31 <BluesLee> you can turn it off
Nov 29 20:30:32 <DocScrutinizer> if it can't even read the directory
Nov 29 20:30:45 <BluesLee> but it makes sense to have one container at least for me
Nov 29 20:31:27 <BluesLee> whats the problem above? i put the commands into a script which is behind the tangogps icon
Nov 29 20:32:01 <DocScrutinizer> problem above seems tango returns with rc!=0, and your script aborts
Nov 29 20:32:09 <BluesLee> the osm image is mounted, tangogps started if i do a regular exit the last line (umount) is dropped
Nov 29 20:32:21 <BluesLee> how do i handle that
Nov 29 20:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> tango||:
Nov 29 20:32:45 <BluesLee> ??
Nov 29 20:32:51 <BluesLee> a pipe
Nov 29 20:32:56 <DocScrutinizer> tangogps || :
Nov 29 20:33:00 <BluesLee> two pipes
Nov 29 20:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> pipe is |
Nov 29 20:33:11 <DocScrutinizer> || is or
Nov 29 20:33:19 <BluesLee> and :
Nov 29 20:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> noop
Nov 29 20:33:40 <DocScrutinizer> also can do 
Nov 29 20:33:46 <DocScrutinizer> tango && true
Nov 29 20:34:30 <BluesLee> didnt worked
Nov 29 20:34:40 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Nov 29 20:34:43 <BluesLee> tangogps && true
Nov 29 20:35:00 <DocScrutinizer> then it's a different problem probably
Nov 29 20:35:03 <BluesLee> maybe false?
Nov 29 20:35:39 <DocScrutinizer> place a 
Nov 29 20:36:07 <DocScrutinizer> echo $?
Nov 29 20:36:23 <DocScrutinizer> next line after tango
Nov 29 20:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> so you see whether it returns
Nov 29 20:36:55 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I'm tired, seems I tell nonsense
Nov 29 20:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> n(
Nov 29 20:36:59 <BluesLee> he doesnt find the loop dev anymore
Nov 29 20:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> n8
Nov 29 20:37:04 <BluesLee> n8
Nov 29 20:46:15 <bumbl> does anyone know if there are plans to abolish the root user?
Nov 29 20:46:53 <DocScrutinizer> bumbl: go ahead. It's considered a comunity task :-/
Nov 29 20:46:59 <bumbl> ah
Nov 29 20:47:46 <bumbl> hmm first startingpoint would be to move /home/root to /root and creating a user
Nov 29 20:48:02 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Nov 29 20:48:03 <bumbl> then adapting the xserver init script to log in as that user
Nov 29 20:48:12 <DocScrutinizer> then set some file permissions
Nov 29 20:48:21 <bumbl> then hoping that the file permissons are correct
Nov 29 20:48:28 <bumbl> add some groups
Nov 29 20:48:34 <bumbl> group telephony
Nov 29 20:48:44 <DocScrutinizer> nah, hoping that the APPs are correct
Nov 29 20:48:45 <bumbl> group gps
Nov 29 20:49:01 <bumbl> and adapting a bunch of apps
Nov 29 20:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> actually if the app is wellwritten, it shouldn't need any adaption
Nov 29 20:49:39 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer: what's the time in taipei?
Nov 29 20:49:49 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer: not all of them are
Nov 29 20:49:55 <DocScrutinizer> So Nov 30 04:49:48 2008
Nov 29 20:50:07 <bumbl> wow
Nov 29 20:50:23 * mrmoku wonders if DocScrutinizer has opened the bottle of champagne ;)
Nov 29 20:50:34 <DocScrutinizer> nahhhhh :-(
Nov 29 20:50:48 * bumbl wonders how the nightlife in taipei is
Nov 29 20:50:49 <DocScrutinizer> wsod==nightmare
Nov 29 20:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> never seen any ;-)
Nov 29 20:51:06 <bumbl> I heard some interesting stuff about the nigthlife in hk
Nov 29 20:51:23 <bumbl> from a friend of mine who is chinese
Nov 29 20:51:45 <TAsn> bumbl, sorry I left earlier in the middle of the sentence
Nov 29 20:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'll go there next thu
Nov 29 20:51:47 <bumbl> and is lucky that his relatives are factory owners
Nov 29 20:51:50 <TAsn> I had a poker game to attend to ;]
Nov 29 20:51:55 <DocScrutinizer> stay 6h tho
Nov 29 20:52:17 <bumbl> nice poker
Nov 29 20:52:33 <DocScrutinizer> n8
Nov 29 20:56:41 <Dave> Joerg, stay awake?
Nov 29 20:58:56 <bumbl> good night
Nov 29 21:03:45 <Sargun> hi
Nov 29 21:19:33 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 29 21:20:06 <bumbl> TypeError: Argument 'evas' has incorrect type (expected evas.c_evas.Canvas, got ecore.evas.c_ecore_evas.SoftwareX11)
Nov 29 21:21:06 <bumbl> i gave the function the equivalent object that worked with another program
Nov 29 21:48:37 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r87a53672b66b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (13 files in 9 dirs): ogsmd: cosmetics
Nov 29 23:55:42 <dcordes> is resolution in shr scalable? can one use it with qvga display?
Nov 29 23:56:47 <pieterc> you mean change the resolution?
Nov 29 23:57:21 <pieterc> i used xrandr -s 240x320 today
Nov 29 23:57:25 <pieterc> in SHR
Nov 29 23:57:27 <pieterc> and that worked;)
Nov 29 23:57:39 <dcordes> cool
Nov 29 23:59:19 <raster> you might want to restart e
Nov 29 23:59:25 <raster> as your dpi would have changed
Nov 29 23:59:32 <raster> but e won't have picked that up
Nov 29 23:59:38 <peelooo> anyone get the solution for the WSoD?
Nov 29 23:59:39 <raster> (it picked up the res change though)
Nov 30 00:05:07 <dcordes> raster, ok
Nov 30 00:18:02 <pieterc> Is it hard to create an ad-hoc wifi network between 2 moko's?
Nov 30 00:26:29 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 30 00:26:33 <quickdev> good morning raster 
Nov 30 00:28:54 <quickdev> raster, do you remember our conversation about the window management?
Nov 30 00:35:48 * sicu remembers
Nov 30 00:35:53 <sicu> ;p
Nov 30 00:38:06 <raster> quickdev:  yo. yes. i do :)
Nov 30 00:40:43 <quickdev> raster, we said opening a new window for each new "context" is a solution. But the windows belong to a process. Which window should stop the process? The first one? Or if all are closed? That's something I thought about
Nov 30 00:41:17 <raster> that's up to you
Nov 30 00:41:23 <raster> normally i'd go for "all windows"
Nov 30 00:42:09 <quickdev> raster, ok, that implies that I have to manage the windows myself, right? In order to know when everything is closed
Nov 30 00:42:32 <sicu> raster: i just updated e17 on my desktop, and there's a noticeable speedup in ui events ... i'm very grateful, whatever was done, as my ancient desktop had a laggy ui
Nov 30 00:42:34 <raster> its as simple as a reference counter
Nov 30 00:42:36 <raster> :)
Nov 30 00:42:44 <sicu> raster: it's like i bought a new computer =D
Nov 30 00:42:47 <raster> sicu:  there was?
Nov 30 00:43:49 <raster> gee
Nov 30 00:43:50 <sicu> well, if nothing was done, i must've at least been struck by good fortune =p
Nov 30 00:43:59 <quickdev> raster, right :)
Nov 30 00:43:59 <raster> and i havent put in my major speedup code into evas yet...
Nov 30 00:44:02 <raster> since it has a leak...
Nov 30 00:44:10 <raster> i did fix an edje leak
Nov 30 00:44:33 <sicu> ah, more good stuff to look forward to ... great work =]
Nov 30 00:44:34 <raster> quickdev: if u really want i could provide stuff in elementary to get # of windows open
Nov 30 00:44:39 <raster> since elm_win does keep a list...
Nov 30 00:44:40 <raster> :)
Nov 30 00:44:58 <raster> sicu:  my tests show a 1200% speedup on some "common" cases
Nov 30 00:45:14 <sicu> o_o
Nov 30 00:45:15 <quickdev> raster, managing that manually would mean code duplication? :)
Nov 30 00:45:16 <raster> (common in the real world usage of efl in widgets and ui's - not common in my testsuite)
Nov 30 00:45:27 <raster> i get 300% speedup on another common case, 100% on another
Nov 30 00:45:34 <raster> and unfortunatly only 17% on a 4th
Nov 30 00:45:42 <raster> the rest is "neither faster nor slower"
Nov 30 00:46:03 <raster> quickdev: code duplication is a fact of life you cant always beat :)
Nov 30 00:46:15 <quickdev> hehe
Nov 30 00:46:22 <sicu> damn, e17 was already lightweight and snappy, and you go ahead and do something like that =D
Nov 30 00:46:24 <raster> but for an app u dont need a list really
Nov 30 00:46:26 <raster> just a #
Nov 30 00:46:29 <raster> a ref counter
Nov 30 00:46:49 <raster> sicu: it is a mem/speed trade tho - use more mem for caching
Nov 30 00:46:50 <raster> get speed
Nov 30 00:47:00 <raster> or it may mean cycling cache more often
Nov 30 00:47:06 <raster> if u keep cache size the same
Nov 30 00:47:22 <quickdev> raster, ok, it's acceptable :)
Nov 30 00:47:58 <raster> yeah
Nov 30 00:48:00 <raster> as i said
Nov 30 00:48:02 <sicu> raster: that's an acceptable tradeoff
Nov 30 00:48:07 <raster> i can expose somethng to get the window list for your app
Nov 30 00:48:15 <raster> tho its not incredibly useful - thus i didnt expose
Nov 30 00:48:45 <raster> sicu:  right now tho - the code doesnt crash for me or seem to cause problems.. it does leak mem
Nov 30 00:48:48 <raster> and that is a problem
Nov 30 00:48:52 <raster> so code wotn go in until i fix that
Nov 30 00:48:57 <raster> other than that its one ugly beast of code
Nov 30 00:49:03 <raster> and i hope never to have to maintain it
Nov 30 00:49:05 <raster> :)
Nov 30 00:49:29 <quickdev> raster, btw...I saw some strange behaviour of an elm_entry in an elm_bubble. When entering multiple lines, the text is moved to the top, even over the top border of the bubble. http://rafb.net/p/S4Ae8066.html
Nov 30 00:49:53 <quickdev> raster, and there seems to be a bug. The elm_entry changed signal is not emitted, when you delete something/everything.
Nov 30 00:50:50 <raster> oooh
Nov 30 00:50:57 <raster> so when the entry changes size inside the bubble
Nov 30 00:51:02 <raster> the bubble doesnt expand
Nov 30 00:51:05 <raster> and thus text overlaps
Nov 30 00:51:40 <quickdev> there's still space in the bubble at the bottom, but apparently it isn't used
Nov 30 00:51:52 <quickdev> if you'd like to have a screenshot I could provide one
Nov 30 00:51:52 <raster> hmm
Nov 30 00:51:58 <raster> child isnt resized...
Nov 30 00:52:00 <raster> yes
Nov 30 00:52:02 <raster> screenie is best
Nov 30 00:52:11 <quickdev> ok, give me some minutes ;))
Nov 30 01:01:04 <quickdev> raster, it even moves to the top without the event of a new line. Just entering somemore chars moves it.
Nov 30 01:03:13 <quickdev> raster, http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8145/bildschirmfotolj6.png
Nov 30 01:04:17 <quickdev> 4 chars are moving the text some pixels up (on my pc)
Nov 30 01:04:54 <quickdev> any further information needed?
Nov 30 01:09:08 <quickdev> raster, I'd like to leave now. Are things clear? "changed" signal on deletion is clear aswell?
Nov 30 01:32:37 <raster> quickdev: hmm how interesting
Nov 30 01:32:40 <raster> nb
Nov 30 01:32:48 <raster> i wouldnt use a bubble to hold something you are editing
Nov 30 01:32:57 <raster> because it isnt scrollable within thte bubble
Nov 30 01:32:58 <raster> :)
Nov 30 01:33:18 <quickdev> raster, I'd like to have a border around my entry :)
Nov 30 01:34:15 <raster> u'll need to put the whole bubble inside somethng scrollable then
Nov 30 01:34:41 <quickdev> although the bubble has much more space than the text actually needs?
Nov 30 01:35:33 <raster> depends how long a message you will write
Nov 30 01:36:02 <quickdev> yeah..but look at the screenshot. That example is quite small .9
Nov 30 01:36:05 <raster> how smalll a screen
Nov 30 01:36:08 <raster> how big the font...
Nov 30 01:36:21 <raster> i know i've written emss that take 4 or 5 sms's to send
Nov 30 01:36:27 <raster> so a few hundred chars at least
Nov 30 01:36:51 <quickdev> yeah..shouldn't the bubble allow it's child to use all the space?
Nov 30 01:37:04 <raster> it can
Nov 30 01:37:20 <raster> or should
Nov 30 01:37:32 <raster> but when the child is too big.. what then.
Nov 30 01:37:33 <raster> :)
Nov 30 01:37:47 <quickdev> then something scrollable, of course :)
Nov 30 01:38:07 <quickdev> ok, would be fine if you improve the two mentioned things
Nov 30 01:38:41 <raster> yeah
Nov 30 01:38:51 <raster> i'll hit the entry changed thing soon enough myself
Nov 30 01:39:34 <quickdev> yes, hehe.. :)
Nov 30 01:43:38 <quickdev> raster, have a good day. I'm off
Nov 30 02:05:00 <Ainulindale> Hey guys
Nov 30 02:05:19 <Ainulindale> Well, this time, I didn't loose playing poker, that's a change
Nov 30 02:06:15 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: regarding your issue
Nov 30 02:06:18 <Ainulindale> I had this one too
Nov 30 02:06:22 <Ainulindale> Did you remove the ipk?
Nov 30 02:06:30 <Ainulindale> (ipk/*/task*)
Nov 30 02:06:36 <Ainulindale> Try my line plus the ipk
Nov 30 02:06:45 <Ainulindale> If there's a task in, say, an arch
Nov 30 02:06:48 <Ainulindale> Like there was before
Nov 30 02:06:59 <Ainulindale> It'll supersede the same task for "all"
Nov 30 02:07:07 <Ainulindale> So remove the stamps, pkgdata, work, and ipk
Nov 30 02:07:18 <Ainulindale> If you still can't manage to make it work
Nov 30 02:07:20 <Ainulindale> Do as I did
Nov 30 02:07:21 <Ainulindale> rm -rf tmp
Nov 30 02:09:06 <Ainulindale> Oï raster, how's life?
Nov 30 02:09:19 * raster hïdes
Nov 30 02:09:29 <Ainulindale> No question for you, you can safely walk around
Nov 30 02:10:13 <Ainulindale> raster: the shutdown menu is indeed a great thing
Nov 30 02:10:27 <Ainulindale> raster: I'm happy to have it (mainly because users are happy)
Nov 30 02:10:47 * raster reappears
Nov 30 02:10:48 <raster> :)
Nov 30 02:10:54 <raster> cool
Nov 30 02:11:02 <raster> just need the power button to be a key :)
Nov 30 02:11:08 <Ainulindale> Yes, just that tiny difficulty
Nov 30 02:11:38 <Ainulindale> My problem though is that everything related to UI is stranger to me
Nov 30 02:11:47 <Ainulindale> I can modify bits of this and that
Nov 30 02:12:09 <Ainulindale> But my tastes taken into account makes a crazy idea out of having me do UIs
Nov 30 02:12:13 <Ainulindale> -s
Nov 30 02:12:25 <kd8ikt> can you get shr latest gps fixed
Nov 30 02:12:33 <Ainulindale> Already did kd8ikt 
Nov 30 02:12:37 <Ainulindale> Three days ago IIRC
Nov 30 02:12:41 <kd8ikt> Nov 29 15:52:47 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1191]: WARNING: org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Server: Create: The name org.freedesktop.Gypsy was not provided by any .service files
Nov 30 02:12:50 <kd8ikt> fresh install
Nov 30 02:12:51 <Ainulindale> Weird
Nov 30 02:12:53 <kd8ikt> 28th
Nov 30 02:12:57 <kd8ikt> image
Nov 30 02:13:02 <Ainulindale> Well, either fso-gpsd is borked
Nov 30 02:13:09 <Ainulindale> and in that case I'd suggest to opkg remove install
Nov 30 02:13:13 <kd8ikt> not to mention  kernel: rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c
Nov 30 02:13:15 <Ainulindale> Or there's a deeper problem
Nov 30 02:13:21 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: Nobody mentioned that
Nov 30 02:13:35 <kd8ikt> i just did ;)
Nov 30 02:13:50 <Ainulindale> Well I have latest, and I have a fix kd8ikt 
Nov 30 02:14:06 <kd8ikt> maybe my phone is broken
Nov 30 02:14:15 <Ainulindale> can you try to request the GPS resource by hand?
Nov 30 02:14:22 <Ainulindale> cli-framework
Nov 30 02:14:29 <Ainulindale> ousaged.RequestResource "GPS"
Nov 30 02:14:59 <kd8ikt> doesnt do anything
Nov 30 02:15:10 <Ainulindale> Check the log (without quiting)
Nov 30 02:15:16 <kd8ikt> syntax error
Nov 30 02:15:22 <Ainulindale> In the log?
Nov 30 02:16:06 <Ainulindale> (wait a minute)
Nov 30 02:16:34 <Ainulindale> Ok my fault
Nov 30 02:16:38 <Ainulindale> usage.RequestResource("GPS")
Nov 30 02:16:41 <Ainulindale> This works here
Nov 30 02:17:24 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: so?
Nov 30 02:17:27 <kd8ikt> huh
Nov 30 02:17:37 <Ainulindale> I guess this works
Nov 30 02:17:38 <kd8ikt> (phonecall) i'm back
Nov 30 02:17:44 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Nov 30 02:18:31 <kd8ikt> that worked but no special output
Nov 30 02:18:44 <Ainulindale> Check /var/log/frameworkd.log now
Nov 30 02:18:56 <Ainulindale> If there's NMEA stuff
Nov 30 02:18:58 <Ainulindale> Then it works
Nov 30 02:19:12 <kd8ikt> 2008.11.29 16:18:25 ousaged  INFO     Releasing GPS for vanished user :1.10
Nov 30 02:19:21 <Ainulindale> You quit cli-framework?
Nov 30 02:19:25 <Ainulindale> 03:15:09 < Ainulindale> Check the log (without quiting)
Nov 30 02:19:41 <kd8ikt> oh
Nov 30 02:19:53 <Ainulindale> The resource is allocated to a "process"
Nov 30 02:19:56 <Ainulindale> It has to stay here
Nov 30 02:22:06 <kd8ikt> lemmie reboot and get a clean log
Nov 30 02:22:43 <Ainulindale> raster: Out of curiosity
Nov 30 02:22:50 <Ainulindale> What do you plan to include in illume, next?
Nov 30 02:24:10 <Ainulindale> alfa21: sqlite is compiled
Nov 30 02:24:28 <raster> Ainulindale: actually i'm taking stuff out of illume
Nov 30 02:24:33 <raster> and merging stuff into core e
Nov 30 02:24:36 <Ainulindale> Oh
Nov 30 02:24:41 <raster> or other e modules that are more generic
Nov 30 02:24:49 <raster> ie that apply to boht desktop and palmtop
Nov 30 02:24:53 <raster> cleaning it up
Nov 30 02:25:02 <Ainulindale> raster: Could I bug you for changelogs for the next revision bump, when it'll be there?
Nov 30 02:25:03 <raster> thats why i dont want to go on a "adding features for you" binge
Nov 30 02:25:08 <raster> as i really am tidying it up
Nov 30 02:25:12 <Ainulindale> I understand
Nov 30 02:25:36 <raster> hmm
Nov 30 02:25:38 <raster> changelog
Nov 30 02:25:40 <raster> too late :)
Nov 30 02:25:46 <Ainulindale> What do you mean? :-)
Nov 30 02:25:50 <raster> u'll already miss changes
Nov 30 02:25:56 <raster> i could just collect every svn commit
Nov 30 02:26:01 <raster> and the logs
Nov 30 02:26:03 <raster> and dump them to a file
Nov 30 02:26:04 <raster> :)
Nov 30 02:26:08 <Ainulindale> What do you mean I'll already miss changes?
Nov 30 02:26:12 <Ainulindale> I already or I'll already?
Nov 30 02:26:19 <raster> well i dont keep a changelog for anythng that is < 1.0.0
Nov 30 02:26:25 <Ainulindale> Oh
Nov 30 02:26:27 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 30 02:26:41 <raster> 1.0.0 on get changelogs
Nov 30 02:26:41 <Ainulindale> If you'd be able just to tell me if I have to mind a specific setting or this or that
Nov 30 02:26:45 <Ainulindale> I'm interested
Nov 30 02:26:46 <raster> (well for e17 fro, 0.17.0 on)
Nov 30 02:27:02 <Ainulindale> (for example, the conf module)
Nov 30 02:27:09 <Ainulindale> (I'd have no idea to check that if you didn't tell me)
Nov 30 02:27:11 <raster> yeah
Nov 30 02:27:14 <raster> i can do that
Nov 30 02:27:18 <raster> give you cothas
Nov 30 02:27:20 <raster> gotchas
Nov 30 02:27:21 <Ainulindale> Great :-)
Nov 30 02:27:30 <raster> as such i'd "advise" not to update until cleaning is done
Nov 30 02:27:36 <Ainulindale> No problem
Nov 30 02:27:54 <raster> at shihc point u'd want to re-sync from upsteram config
Nov 30 02:28:01 <Ainulindale> Did you manage to pinpoint the performance issue with exquisite by the way?
Nov 30 02:28:04 <Ainulindale> Is it the glow?
Nov 30 02:28:11 <raster> no - i havent looked at all
Nov 30 02:28:20 <raster> but the only thing that makes sense is there is a little subtle glow
Nov 30 02:28:23 <Ainulindale> Because I like exquisite
Nov 30 02:28:24 <Ainulindale> Not for myself
Nov 30 02:28:26 <raster> that pulsates at the end of the progress bar
Nov 30 02:28:28 <Ainulindale> But for users, I think it's great
Nov 30 02:28:51 <raster> thats the only thing i can think of that'd tie up glamo mem bus + cpu enough to cause a "double boot time"
Nov 30 02:28:54 <Ainulindale> Only thing that bothers me now
Nov 30 02:28:58 <Ainulindale> Is the Category:Office thing
Nov 30 02:29:03 <raster> otherwise i do know exquisite will bring forward shared lib loads
Nov 30 02:29:05 <Ainulindale> It's just plain impossible to manage all the desktop files
Nov 30 02:29:11 <raster> so a bigger gamp from init -> exquisite shows
Nov 30 02:29:13 <Ainulindale> One upgrade, and bam, you're dead
Nov 30 02:29:18 <raster> but those libs would be loaded when e starts anyway
Nov 30 02:29:20 <raster> so e starts faster
Nov 30 02:29:27 <raster> otherwise IO is limited
Nov 30 02:29:29 <Ainulindale> Yeah I got that
Nov 30 02:29:35 <raster> and cpu should be basically idle except for animation/updates
Nov 30 02:30:00 <raster> well could be less memory for disk cache
Nov 30 02:30:08 <raster> so more disk io thrashing...
Nov 30 02:30:18 <raster> not much to be done there though
Nov 30 02:30:27 <Ainulindale> Well anyway it is true that the load generate by frameworkd is quite heavy
Nov 30 02:30:27 <raster> as for categories
Nov 30 02:30:31 <Ainulindale> +d
Nov 30 02:30:36 <raster> thats entirely up to the applications.menu
Nov 30 02:30:42 <raster> and the one that is shipped is an oe specific thing
Nov 30 02:30:45 <raster> e upstream has none
Nov 30 02:30:49 <raster> it expects the os to provide a system menu
Nov 30 02:30:54 <Ainulindale> Hmmmm
Nov 30 02:30:58 <Ainulindale> Interesting
Nov 30 02:31:01 <raster> (as is the case with most popular distros these days)
Nov 30 02:31:05 <Ainulindale> So I could totally switch that
Nov 30 02:31:15 <raster> as the "system menu" is a system thing that gnome, kde, e, xfce et.c all share
Nov 30 02:31:15 <Ainulindale> And even allocate categories to pagers?
Nov 30 02:31:49 <raster> u mean each virtual desktop have different apps?
Nov 30 02:32:04 <Ainulindale> For instance
Nov 30 02:33:11 <raster> no
Nov 30 02:33:19 <raster> the app list is the same on all desktops 
Nov 30 02:33:21 <raster> it doesnt change
Nov 30 02:33:23 <raster> but in future
Nov 30 02:33:25 <Ainulindale> (I'm just looking to fullfil popular request)
Nov 30 02:33:32 <raster> when i finally make all of these things gadgets and modules of their own
Nov 30 02:33:36 <raster> yes
Nov 30 02:33:39 <Ainulindale> I personally can't even use one desktop properly anyway
Nov 30 02:33:40 <raster> then u can create 1 per virtual desktop
Nov 30 02:33:43 <raster> eahc set to show all
Nov 30 02:33:48 <Ainulindale> Good to know
Nov 30 02:33:49 <raster> or a particular category only
Nov 30 02:33:54 <raster> its definitely possible
Nov 30 02:33:58 <raster> not a lot in the way code-wise
Nov 30 02:34:06 <Ainulindale> Oh and by the way
Nov 30 02:34:07 <raster> just whats in the way is me wanting to clean it all up
Nov 30 02:34:16 <raster> illume's "launcher" is universally useful for e
Nov 30 02:34:19 <raster> not just for illume
Nov 30 02:34:22 <Ainulindale> Do you think it'd be long to develop a short module to do profile (sound) selection FSO/illume wise?
Nov 30 02:34:32 <raster> so it should become a stand-alone module of its own just used together with illume
Nov 30 02:34:35 <Ainulindale> I assigned this task to someone
Nov 30 02:34:40 <Ainulindale> But that someone seems, well
Nov 30 02:34:42 <raster> oh
Nov 30 02:34:42 <Ainulindale> Not here anymore
Nov 30 02:34:44 <raster> that'd be trivial
Nov 30 02:34:44 <kd8ikt> ok so i run cli and that resource gps and look in  the logs for what exactly? NMEA?
Nov 30 02:34:57 <Ainulindale> raster: please mind the fact that I don't know edje or elm at all
Nov 30 02:35:02 <raster> hmm
Nov 30 02:35:02 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: for instance
Nov 30 02:35:06 <raster> well if its an e module
Nov 30 02:35:09 <raster> u dont need to know edje
Nov 30 02:35:13 <Ainulindale> raster: Though I'm interested in that anyway
Nov 30 02:35:14 <raster> just use e_widget* calls
Nov 30 02:35:21 <raster> all the .h files have the prototypes
Nov 30 02:35:22 <Ainulindale> And there's stuff to manage, say, lists?
Nov 30 02:35:23 <raster> and enough example
Nov 30 02:35:30 <raster> thouhg i am mulling over replacing e
Nov 30 02:35:36 <raster> e_widget* with elementary
Nov 30 02:35:50 <raster> as its aboue 1/2 the usability fo e internal widget already
Nov 30 02:35:51 <kd8ikt> Enabled GPS in 0.6 seconds
Nov 30 02:35:51 <Ainulindale> Well if you have a precise example in mind I'm interested raster 
Nov 30 02:35:55 <raster> and much cleaner
Nov 30 02:36:03 <raster> yes
Nov 30 02:36:09 <raster> e_widget_ilist
Nov 30 02:36:15 <raster> lots of examples
Nov 30 02:36:16 <Ainulindale> Was talking about a module example :-)
Nov 30 02:36:25 <kd8ikt> is that being piped throuh fso-gpsd?
Nov 30 02:36:32 <raster> well mixer module has a conf dialog
Nov 30 02:36:37 <raster> lists output of the sound card
Nov 30 02:36:39 <raster> lists sound cards
Nov 30 02:36:40 <Ainulindale> And if you have some ideas with low priorities on that raster, I'm interested in it too
Nov 30 02:36:40 <raster> etc.
Nov 30 02:36:45 <Ainulindale> As I'd like to make illume more FSO friendly
Nov 30 02:36:59 <raster> has a mixer
Nov 30 02:36:59 <Ainulindale> raster: are you aware of the mixer segv by the way?
Nov 30 02:37:06 <raster> hmm
Nov 30 02:37:10 <raster> no - dont know of any
Nov 30 02:37:11 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: well yes
Nov 30 02:37:23 <kd8ikt> well currently illume and frameworkd fight over suspend/idle/backlight stuff
Nov 30 02:37:33 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: theoritically, launching tangogps should enabled fso-gpsd
Nov 30 02:37:38 <Ainulindale> -d
Nov 30 02:37:51 <Ainulindale> Yes I could tie this settings to FSO
Nov 30 02:37:54 <Ainulindale> The code is already there
Nov 30 02:37:57 <Ainulindale> Well, I put it there =)
Nov 30 02:38:29 <Ainulindale> raster: How would you welcome patches for this kind of stuff?
Nov 30 02:38:33 <Ainulindale> (i.e. power settings => FSO)
Nov 30 02:38:46 <kd8ikt> nc localhost gpsd 
Nov 30 02:38:51 <Ainulindale> It's easy, but I'd really rather use illume for that
Nov 30 02:38:54 <datenmaulwurf> which branch in kernel.git handles kernel version 2.6.27?
Nov 30 02:39:06 <Ainulindale> And strip down the stuff from FSO, brightness related
Nov 30 02:39:07 <kd8ikt> r (raw) i guess shows NMEA data a lot of nulls though
Nov 30 02:39:18 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: so here you are, your GPS is working
Nov 30 02:39:28 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: try to quit your GPS sessions and launch tangogps
Nov 30 02:39:34 <raster> Ainulindale:  sure.
Nov 30 02:39:40 <kd8ikt> they are all running actually
Nov 30 02:39:41 <Ainulindale> Then climb your roof and throw your arms to the sky for a while :-)
Nov 30 02:39:42 <raster> normally i always welcome patches
Nov 30 02:39:52 <raster> only thnig i ask is before you sink a lot of effort into one
Nov 30 02:39:56 <kd8ikt> cli-frameworkd  netcat gpsd and tango
Nov 30 02:40:02 <raster> check that it wont be obsoleted in a short time
Nov 30 02:40:03 <Ainulindale> raster: Here I'm just talking about this more logical way to handle X brightness
Nov 30 02:40:14 <Ainulindale> i.e. handle this settings in illume
Nov 30 02:40:17 <raster> or that you arent re-implementing something already done elsewhere or on the list of things to do
Nov 30 02:40:19 <Ainulindale> and forget about brightness frameworkd wise
Nov 30 02:40:19 <raster> :)
Nov 30 02:40:32 <Ainulindale> as I totally agree with you that these settings are invasive, framework wise
Nov 30 02:40:43 <raster> yeah
Nov 30 02:41:02 <raster> so you'd want a brightness control dialog/gadget/thing
Nov 30 02:41:08 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 30 02:41:12 <Ainulindale> I'd like to use the current gadget
Nov 30 02:41:20 <Ainulindale> And modify it to change the timeouts in frameworkd
Nov 30 02:41:24 <kd8ikt> but the nmea data from fsogpsd isnt changing at all
Nov 30 02:41:27 <Ainulindale> ANd strip down the actions on the timeouts from it
Nov 30 02:41:35 <Ainulindale> Thus, frameworkd would still send its signals
Nov 30 02:41:51 <Ainulindale> But illume would handle idleness (brightness related)
Nov 30 02:41:59 <dcordes> Ainulindale, why do you keep shr out of OE?
Nov 30 02:42:04 <Ainulindale> Though it'd be harmful for accelerometers and such
Nov 30 02:42:08 <Ainulindale> dcordes: Because I have some refactoring to do
Nov 30 02:42:17 <Ainulindale> To be more OE compliant
Nov 30 02:42:52 <Ainulindale> And because there's only two people having commit acceses on OE
Nov 30 02:42:58 <raster> well thats possible
Nov 30 02:43:03 <raster> u dont need to know much to do that
Nov 30 02:43:03 <raster> :)
Nov 30 02:43:08 <Ainulindale> raster: yes indeed
Nov 30 02:43:08 <dcordes> I would like to try it on my blueangel but I don't want to have a whole new OE tree from that makefile
Nov 30 02:43:15 <Ainulindale> That I know
Nov 30 02:43:19 <Ainulindale> dcordes: well you don't need to
Nov 30 02:43:24 <Ainulindale> If you already have one
Nov 30 02:43:33 <Ainulindale> You just have to git clone our repo and add it to your bbfiles
Nov 30 02:43:41 <Ainulindale> that's what the makefile does
Nov 30 02:43:56 <Ainulindale> raster: Though is illume/X handling all the inputs?
Nov 30 02:44:02 <Ainulindale> Accelerometers and such?
Nov 30 02:44:03 <raster> x is
Nov 30 02:44:14 <kd8ikt> kernel: rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c
Nov 30 02:44:15 <Ainulindale> What is the limit then?
Nov 30 02:44:17 <raster> illume is simply repsonding to a "screensaver kicked in" event from x
Nov 30 02:44:31 <raster> and telling x "screensaver idle timeout is N seconds"
Nov 30 02:44:35 <raster> thats all it does
Nov 30 02:44:44 <kd8ikt> might be mwesters kernel
Nov 30 02:44:46 <raster> the rest is x
Nov 30 02:44:56 <Ainulindale> raster: what is the limit for what is input and what isn't?
Nov 30 02:45:06 <kd8ikt> what kernel should i grab for shr's latest
Nov 30 02:45:21 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: it's on the buildhost
Nov 30 02:46:13 <raster> for x thats kbd and mouse
Nov 30 02:46:15 <raster> thats it
Nov 30 02:46:26 <Ainulindale> Ok, so accelerometer is no input
Nov 30 02:46:32 <raster> correct
Nov 30 02:46:37 <Ainulindale> Except if we can define them as keystrokes of some sort
Nov 30 02:46:42 <raster> sure
Nov 30 02:46:46 <raster> or as mouse input of some sort
Nov 30 02:46:48 <Ainulindale> Or more correctly mouse input
Nov 30 02:46:51 <mwester> kd8ikt:  as I mentioned before, that diagnostic is from the serial driver, and indicates a framing error detected by the hardware.  It usually is a perfectly normal and common (temporary) problem that happens when the baud rates mismatch on the port, such as the short moment between the power-up of the GPS and the time the GPS application software on the host starts up, opens the port, and sets the correct baud rate.  There's nothing wrong
Nov 30 02:46:51 <mwester>  with the hardware or the kernel.
Nov 30 02:46:54 <Ainulindale> (kindred spirits, raster :-p)
Nov 30 02:47:02 <raster> hehee
Nov 30 02:47:04 <raster> in facrt
Nov 30 02:47:17 <raster> it'd make a lot of sense to advertise accelerometers as xinput devices
Nov 30 02:47:17 <Ainulindale> raster: then it'd have to be generated events generating mouse inputs/keystrokes
Nov 30 02:47:20 <raster> same with touchscreen
Nov 30 02:47:22 <Ainulindale> And not common events
Nov 30 02:47:26 <raster> xinput devices are extended input
Nov 30 02:47:30 <raster> they can have tonnes of parameters
Nov 30 02:47:31 <Ainulindale> i.e. move X detected => input
Nov 30 02:47:35 <raster> and can be controlled
Nov 30 02:47:39 <raster> eg turned on and off
Nov 30 02:47:46 <raster> tuned and parameters changed
Nov 30 02:47:55 <raster> they can "send core events"
Nov 30 02:47:56 <Ainulindale> That's nice, indeed
Nov 30 02:48:04 <raster> eg wacom tables use that in the wacom driver
Nov 30 02:48:14 <raster> optionally the tablet can eiother just be a stand-alone xinput device
Nov 30 02:48:19 <Ainulindale> There's ton of stuff to do
Nov 30 02:48:25 <raster> that u dont know exists until u query x for xinput devices
Nov 30 02:48:32 <raster> or it can also "Send core mouse events"
Nov 30 02:48:42 <raster> that means it can contro the core mouse pointer when you use the tablet
Nov 30 02:48:54 <raster> this way the tablet can control the normal mouse
Nov 30 02:48:54 <Ainulindale> yeah such as Z axis for page up / page down and such
Nov 30 02:49:08 <raster> but the table can report pressure, angle and all sorts of extended info
Nov 30 02:49:13 <raster> yup
Nov 30 02:49:15 <raster> so as such
Nov 30 02:49:22 <raster> i think a lot of what fso is doing is wrong
Nov 30 02:49:28 <raster> in that it simply is re-inventing x's xinput infra
Nov 30 02:49:35 <raster> and x's xinput infra is portable
Nov 30 02:49:42 <raster> and already works on all platforms
Nov 30 02:49:49 <raster> is well known and documented and supported
Nov 30 02:50:18 <raster> so my suggestion for thngs like "how can we stop the touchsrceen from reporting events when the screen is locked"
Nov 30 02:50:30 <raster> is advertise the ts as an xinput device that ALSO sends core events
Nov 30 02:50:56 <Ainulindale> Is the FSO team aware of that suggestion? (I guess they are, but just ensuring)
Nov 30 02:51:59 <raster> http://www.x.org/wiki/XInputSpec
Nov 30 02:52:02 <raster> XEnableDevice
Nov 30 02:52:10 <raster> for example is in the dev proposal for additions
Nov 30 02:52:26 <raster> so u'd simply XDisableDevice() on the ts device
Nov 30 02:52:28 <raster> and bingo
Nov 30 02:52:42 <raster> it should stop controlling mouse input or doing anything until re-enabled
Nov 30 02:52:57 <raster> but as such fso shouldnt know or care
Nov 30 02:53:01 <raster> the "ui" should just do this
Nov 30 02:53:05 <Ainulindale> Agreed
Nov 30 02:53:09 <raster> fso wants to work without x (and fair enough)
Nov 30 02:53:15 <raster> in the non-x case
Nov 30 02:53:19 <raster> if its a framebuffer app
Nov 30 02:53:30 <raster> the fb app would just need its own internal idea of ui idleness
Nov 30 02:53:36 <raster> with x use xinput to coordinate it with x
Nov 30 02:54:27 <raster> i'd just not want to sink effort into work i think should be done elsewhere in x
Nov 30 02:54:34 <raster> and not in fso itself
Nov 30 02:54:50 <Ainulindale> That's something to talk about
Nov 30 02:54:59 <raster> you could
Nov 30 02:55:11 <Ainulindale> Anyway, doing a fso X "detection" thingy shouldn't be that hard
Nov 30 02:55:12 <raster> also emulate the disable/enaqble by providign a "null" xinput device
Nov 30 02:55:21 <raster> and XChangePointerDevice() to use the null device for input
Nov 30 02:55:28 <Ainulindale> And switch the idle notifiers profile by doing that shouldn't be that hard
Nov 30 02:55:30 <raster> as u can dynamically control what devices control the pointer
Nov 30 02:55:31 <raster> or keyboard
Nov 30 02:55:32 <raster> etc.
Nov 30 02:55:54 <Ainulindale> Well, if this is disabled, how to reenable then? :-)
Nov 30 02:56:09 <raster> set it back to the normal "touchscreen device"
Nov 30 02:56:09 <raster> :)
Nov 30 02:56:15 <Ainulindale> On which event?
Nov 30 02:56:16 <raster> (when you want it enabled again)
Nov 30 02:56:30 <raster> this would need to be a wake-from-suspend signal of some sort
Nov 30 02:56:31 <Ainulindale> Power or AUX? Back to our original issue :-)
Nov 30 02:56:36 <raster> or wak4eup on call/interrupt
Nov 30 02:56:38 <raster> or a hw button press
Nov 30 02:58:40 <Ainulindale> Well, anyway, going to grab a smoke
Nov 30 02:58:45 <Ainulindale> Will give me time to think :-)
Nov 30 02:59:51 <raster> thinking is good
Nov 30 02:59:54 <raster> i need to pack...
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