**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 30 02:59:57 2008 Nov 30 03:01:34 udev is broken. where did that come from, and is the version used in shr from OE or a custom shr version? Nov 30 03:04:22 Ainulindale, I will try an illume image for now Nov 30 03:05:15 dcordes: well, SHR illume will be more recent Nov 30 03:05:24 mwester: we use udev 124 Nov 30 03:05:39 stock, as-is, direct from OE? Nov 30 03:05:46 Yes Nov 30 03:05:55 Why? What's broken? Nov 30 03:06:47 Then I shall bother the OE mailing list. :) (It ignores the creation of the static nodes before generating the tarball; it also is sloppy about the tar permissions when it extracts) Nov 30 03:07:03 Then yeah, complain :-) Nov 30 03:07:04 So we're missing the ppp /dev device, most notably. Nov 30 03:07:11 Hence the GPRS issue Nov 30 03:07:13 Interesting Nov 30 03:07:13 gprs won't work without it. Nov 30 03:07:17 Yep Nov 30 03:07:27 Keep me in touch with that, will you? Nov 30 03:07:31 will do. Nov 30 03:07:35 Thanks Nov 30 03:07:50 BTW, a new busybox will build next build you do, fixes the seg fault on fdisk. Nov 30 03:08:04 nice Nov 30 03:08:06 Well, I included util-linux-fdisk to fix that Nov 30 03:08:23 So the issue doesn't touch us anymore Nov 30 03:08:31 Even if it'd be great if it worked as is Nov 30 03:08:34 :) eh, ok. Nov 30 03:08:41 mwester: well you know the thing Nov 30 03:08:48 I don't care about replacing as long as it works Nov 30 03:08:56 And well, we do want stuff to work, don't we? Nov 30 03:09:22 That's the whole point! Nov 30 03:09:30 make it work!! Nov 30 03:09:31 :) Nov 30 03:09:32 Well, guys, going to sleep Nov 30 03:09:35 It's 4h10 here Nov 30 03:09:41 I had a crazy poker night Nov 30 03:09:44 yikes. Sleep well, however breifly Nov 30 03:09:54 Which is unusual as I don't like games with randomness Nov 30 03:10:05 So see you Nov 30 04:36:17 is phone vibrating controllable with FSO? Nov 30 04:41:12 omfg i still havent gotten a lock Nov 30 05:02:55 well I got my first WSOD just now...twice Nov 30 05:03:25 I didn't change the image so I'm not really sure what's different Nov 30 05:04:29 how is the current SHR working for people? Nov 30 05:19:46 gurugentoo, if the temperature goes down Nov 30 05:20:30 if it gets too cold you can get a WSOD. Nov 30 05:21:43 that would explain exactly why, b/c it was cold at the time Nov 30 06:00:00 Sargun, and if it gets too hot? Nov 30 06:00:45 who knows? Nov 30 06:01:07 I had an issue where if I introduced my FR to like about 40 degree weather Nov 30 06:01:12 it would lock up, or WSOD. Nov 30 06:01:15 nasty stuff Nov 30 06:02:09 :O Nov 30 06:25:45 Sargun, celsius or farenheit? Nov 30 06:27:38 F Nov 30 06:27:46 Obviously F Nov 30 06:28:03 oh..ok Nov 30 06:28:54 hahahahah Nov 30 06:28:56 :P Nov 30 06:29:25 well, its 35 C, here...so was a little wtf Nov 30 06:29:40 gah Nov 30 06:32:38 google me Nov 30 06:36:32 gives this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Me Nov 30 06:36:38 :P Nov 30 06:37:19 ok..that was lame Nov 30 06:37:42 40C wold be like 70F Nov 30 06:37:58 something like that Nov 30 06:38:26 104 actually Nov 30 06:38:31 ask a european what they set the thermostat to Nov 30 06:39:20 dude my phone sucks it wont get a lock Nov 30 06:48:28 dunno why openmoko-agpsui can get a lock but framework/fso-gpd Nov 30 06:48:31 wont Nov 30 06:58:23 40F = ??C Nov 30 07:00:45 http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm Nov 30 07:01:07 4.4 Nov 30 07:01:21 oh. Nov 30 07:01:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_conversion_formulas Nov 30 07:02:17 I'm lazy Nov 30 07:22:42 Sargun: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001731.html Nov 30 07:29:13 .oO((farenheit... somehow i feel the same about it like for inches, feet, yards, etc... *yuk* thats why spaceships crash!) Nov 30 07:43:50 finnaly got a lock i feel so much better now Nov 30 07:45:58 roh: space-oddity on ariadne was for feet/meter IIRC ;-) some mars probe got lost for same reason :O Nov 30 07:47:38 * kd8ikt isnt suprised Nov 30 07:58:23 so whats up Nov 30 09:16:53 BluesLee: did you manage to enlargen your buttons? Nov 30 09:17:11 mrmoku: yes Nov 30 09:17:24 via gktrc? Nov 30 09:17:26 mrmoku: i edited gtkrc Nov 30 09:17:29 yeah Nov 30 09:17:29 :') Sorry, it's early and that sentence looks really weird..) Nov 30 09:17:37 nio_: hehe Nov 30 09:18:00 mrmoku: sans size from 5 to 7 i think Nov 30 09:18:58 mrmoku: no, size 6! Nov 30 09:19:04 BluesLee: somebody should fix gtkrc for SHR Nov 30 09:19:13 it is referencing an uninstalled theme Nov 30 09:19:20 and the scrollbars are finger-unfriendly Nov 30 09:19:26 mrmoku: i had to change it to 6 afterwards because of tangogps Nov 30 09:19:40 mrmoku: open a ticket for that Nov 30 09:19:53 BluesLee: heh, ok will do Nov 30 09:20:57 BluesLee: somebody else already did :) #105 Nov 30 09:21:33 mrmoku: okay Nov 30 09:21:44 wher do i get scaredy cats theme? Nov 30 09:24:07 mrmoku: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/32344f95b49e57b79c4d02ea19cc29b4.png Nov 30 09:27:53 BluesLee: yeah, looks better Nov 30 09:28:28 i will open a ticket for rotation Nov 30 09:33:00 hey speaking of rotation whats that neat lil FDOM desktop app that swaps display Nov 30 09:33:12 i need to make a lil script like that Nov 30 09:33:29 hi Nov 30 09:33:48 about rotation I use shortom Nov 30 09:34:18 with 2 commands defined: one for normal, one for rotate left Nov 30 09:34:26 ah Nov 30 09:34:38 know what would also be cool Nov 30 09:34:50 you know how it has a lil slot for a lanyard Nov 30 09:35:20 what's a "lanyard"? Nov 30 09:35:24 flip the display upside down and hang on your rear view mirror (with tangogps running) Nov 30 09:36:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard :P Nov 30 09:36:11 = rotate 180°? Nov 30 09:36:41 "inverted" Nov 30 09:36:45 xrandr -o inverted Nov 30 09:37:14 ok i get the meaning of lanyard :D Nov 30 09:37:24 you can Nov 30 09:37:45 it's possible to define as many commands you like in shortom Nov 30 09:38:34 it will shows a new button for your new command Nov 30 09:39:13 (near a label you choose) Nov 30 09:46:59 mmmh is shr feed still broken? Nov 30 09:54:23 i'm quite familliar with it Nov 30 09:55:30 :) Nov 30 09:56:02 yes... but it's since yesterday Nov 30 09:56:35 i'm familiar with 1~2 hour downs Nov 30 09:56:38 ;) Nov 30 09:57:21 anyway i know there are a lot of big changes Nov 30 09:57:22 BluesLee: I found the theme and tried it... Nov 30 09:57:29 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1293/replacement-openmoko-theme.tar.gz Nov 30 09:57:40 hi mrmoku ! Nov 30 09:57:49 ciao alfa21 Nov 30 09:57:57 m Nov 30 09:58:07 mrmoku, are u italian? Nov 30 09:58:16 no, tedescho Nov 30 09:58:30 aah! i love ramstain :D Nov 30 09:59:00 rammstein obviously Nov 30 10:01:05 yep :) Nov 30 10:01:19 e a me piace Vasco Rossi ;) Nov 30 10:02:03 me too :) but only old songs like "vita spericolata" "alba chiara" "bollicine" and such Nov 30 10:02:38 my wife is italian, so I have to know them all :) Nov 30 10:02:45 maybe "liberi liberi" is the latest album i like from him Nov 30 10:03:16 lol... poor you :D an italian wife ^_^ Nov 30 10:03:37 mrmoku: can you upload a screenshot? Nov 30 10:03:40 and then there is Rino Gaetano, which I even prefer... died tooooo early, purtroppo Nov 30 10:03:49 BluesLee: tangogps? Nov 30 10:04:16 mrmoku: for instance ... Nov 30 10:04:33 BluesLee: installing is very easy though... just get the tarball and unpack it into /usr/share/themes Nov 30 10:04:41 After that start up tangogps Nov 30 10:04:53 mrmoku: i will also make a screenshot for comparision Nov 30 10:05:40 do u know if it's technically possible to add routing engine to tango? Nov 30 10:05:58 i guess now that everything is in order i could start playing with odeviced.idlenotifier settings, improve batt and not WSOD Nov 30 10:06:17 alfa21: no Nov 30 10:06:53 because it's based on tiles and not vectors, right? Nov 30 10:07:21 ;D Nov 30 10:07:47 mrmoku: and how do i tell the system to use it? Nov 30 10:08:12 BluesLee: you don't have to :) Nov 30 10:08:36 the SHR gtkrc is referencing it - though it does not exist Nov 30 10:09:42 thats true Nov 30 10:09:57 FATAL: oe_runmake failed Nov 30 10:10:04 :s Nov 30 10:11:05 mrmoku: "wrong" colors:-) Nov 30 10:11:30 mrmoku: but for instance the calculator looks much better Nov 30 10:11:53 let see let seee let seeee Nov 30 10:18:05 mrmoku: what are you talking about? Gtkrc thingie? Nov 30 10:19:26 Ainulindale: yeah Nov 30 10:20:12 Ainulindale: but scaredys theme does not fit to the rest Nov 30 10:20:17 hi Ainulindale :) Nov 30 10:20:23 I was looking for a more complete answer BluesLee :-) Nov 30 10:20:30 That is to say what's missing Nov 30 10:20:45 Ainulindale: yeah, the gtkrc Nov 30 10:20:46 Ainulindale: finger friendly applications Nov 30 10:21:10 Ainulindale: overall harmony:-) Nov 30 10:21:44 alfa21: Did you see my hilight? Nov 30 10:21:59 for instance the calc, big buttons but very small result field Nov 30 10:22:04 mmh maybe not? where? Nov 30 10:22:08 Here Nov 30 10:22:13 I told you yesterday I compiled sqlite Nov 30 10:22:29 Ainulindale: scrollbars at the borders which cannot be hit with fingers etc etc Nov 30 10:22:51 oh! tnx... but right now i cannot update ;) feeds are down :P Nov 30 10:23:00 What are you talking about? Nov 30 10:23:02 The feeds aren't down Nov 30 10:23:25 uh? mmmh Nov 30 10:23:36 let me analyze Nov 30 10:23:48 installed pingus, nice ... Nov 30 10:27:31 fuck! wrong firewall policy on my host!!!!!! fixed now, tnx Ainulindale !!! Nov 30 10:28:07 You're welcome Nov 30 10:29:29 BluesLee: currently compiling it on the buildhost, by popular request :-) Nov 30 10:29:41 Or more correctly, trying to find it Nov 30 10:30:11 Ainulindale: good Nov 30 10:30:41 Ainulindale: i had to remove fbreader Nov 30 10:31:02 Why? Non working? Nov 30 10:31:08 If it is, it's maybe just a problem with the version Nov 30 10:31:25 Ainulindale: i dont know why but the shr version didnt allowed me to navigate via tapping on left/right side of touchscreen Nov 30 10:31:27 So it'd be nice if you could tell me which version is on the buildhost, which you'd like Nov 30 10:31:44 I've installed phonelog :) Nov 30 10:31:52 Ainulindale: the version number is the same Nov 30 10:32:42 Ainulindale: i installed this one opkg install http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/openmoko/fbreader_0.8.2a-r7+elleopatches_om-gta02.ipk Nov 30 10:32:55 Ainulindale: now i see Nov 30 10:33:02 Ainulindale: it is patched! Nov 30 10:33:26 Seems it is. Nov 30 10:33:52 no wonder Nov 30 10:34:32 can i force reinstall of some packages, for instance those who are needed by pingus? Nov 30 10:34:49 Are you the one who opened the ticket by the way? Nov 30 10:34:55 yeah Nov 30 10:34:57 Then Nov 30 10:35:03 1) create a user Nov 30 10:35:07 2) please be precise Nov 30 10:35:10 the pingus ticket? Nov 30 10:35:14 Your ticket is totally not precise Nov 30 10:35:27 I thought there was a recipe in OE Nov 30 10:35:28 There isn't Nov 30 10:35:41 Login, and use sentences to describe your problem Nov 30 10:35:48 Far more easier on people who just woke up =) Nov 30 10:35:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander Nov 30 10:36:06 It also lacks an URL for pingus Nov 30 10:36:19 ... submitted patches and recipe to OpenEmbedded ... Nov 30 10:36:22 it says Nov 30 10:36:32 submitted, not commited Nov 30 10:37:31 i tried to be, believe me Nov 30 10:37:52 its due to a lack of knowledge;-) Nov 30 10:39:32 who does the process from "submit" -> "commit"? Nov 30 10:39:40 People and such Nov 30 10:39:55 the same who submitted? Nov 30 10:40:12 Nope Nov 30 10:40:27 i guess "comitting" is something like a control instance Nov 30 10:40:37 that the package is okay ... Nov 30 10:42:09 can someone point me to the oe comittments? Nov 30 10:42:25 git.openembedded.net Nov 30 10:42:30 so i can choose from a valid list next time Nov 30 10:42:38 And also Nov 30 10:42:43 Mind the categories Nov 30 10:42:48 You're posting systematically on SHR Image Nov 30 10:42:51 This is related to the SHR feed Nov 30 10:43:02 (I'm not grumpy, just telling you how to help me more :-) ) Nov 30 10:43:17 thats correct, it was early in the morning Nov 30 10:43:20 :-) Nov 30 10:43:30 How is your theme going? Nov 30 10:43:38 hmm Nov 30 10:43:45 Ainulindale: I tried your tip with deleting the task packages Nov 30 10:43:48 didn't help Nov 30 10:43:53 mrmoku: did you delete the ipk? Nov 30 10:43:59 I think I forgot to tell you to do so Nov 30 10:44:00 yep Nov 30 10:44:18 Then I have no clue Nov 30 10:44:23 What you can do as a workarounbd Nov 30 10:44:25 -b Nov 30 10:44:32 Is adding the glibc binary locales to the image Nov 30 10:44:50 koen ... Nov 30 10:45:05 bitbake -b the shr image? Nov 30 10:45:52 Ainulindale: next time i will be more precise! Nov 30 10:46:00 mrmoku: yeah Nov 30 10:46:04 BluesLee: cool =) Nov 30 10:46:33 Ainulindale: ok, started it. If it does not work I will have to wipe tmp :( Nov 30 10:47:05 mrmoku: let's check together Nov 30 10:47:09 Errr stop Nov 30 10:47:11 Do not bitbake -b image Nov 30 10:47:15 bitbake image Nov 30 10:47:19 -b skips the dependencies Nov 30 10:48:09 If it still doesn't work, we'll look together mrmoku Nov 30 10:51:08 hmm, I have ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in my local.conf Nov 30 10:51:26 hmm Nov 30 10:51:27 hi Nov 30 10:52:45 Ainulindale: concerning the icon theme ... hires is not enough for you? i think he is also struggling here and there ... Nov 30 10:53:02 how do I call rasters keyboard automagically? Nov 30 10:53:06 (python) Nov 30 10:53:09 BluesLee: Hire theme is nice, but not suited for me =) Nov 30 10:53:33 mrmoku: hmpf =) Nov 30 10:53:34 Ainulindale: to be honest i dont know how it works Nov 30 10:53:57 Ainulindale: :( Nov 30 10:54:06 Hire: too much colors :-) Nov 30 10:54:14 Ainulindale: i see the icons in the fs how do they get there? Nov 30 10:54:20 s/much/many/ Nov 30 10:54:37 i will only provide a theme with the help of hire Nov 30 10:54:40 BluesLee: You need a PhD in black magic to do that Nov 30 10:54:44 Or simply a bb recipe Nov 30 10:55:07 ohhh ... hard stuff Nov 30 10:55:39 very hard stuff:-) Nov 30 10:56:44 Hire: what do you think? Nov 30 10:56:55 on what? Nov 30 10:57:08 Ainulindale, do u know something about quickdev tasks status? yesterday he said he finished lots of ticket... but I do not see them closed in timeline Nov 30 10:57:08 on the concurring themes thing Nov 30 10:57:18 alfa21: he'll close them when he'll commit Nov 30 10:57:21 in particular I'm interested about #159 Nov 30 10:57:32 ah k Nov 30 10:59:34 Hire: i think its sufficient if one works mainly on that (you) and the others like me help Nov 30 10:59:44 sure Nov 30 10:59:53 if you want to help me BluesLee Nov 30 11:00:01 Hire: please be sure that I don't think your theme is bad, or bad looking or anything :-) Nov 30 11:00:06 why don't you study how an edc file works? Nov 30 11:00:09 It's just that there are too many colors for my own taste :-) Nov 30 11:00:25 Ainulindale: don't worry, i am kidding Nov 30 11:00:53 Hire: where do you need edc files? Nov 30 11:01:23 illume, shr apps Nov 30 11:01:42 if I modify "ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never" to something else... do I improove the discharge time? Nov 30 11:01:44 BluesLee: the illume theme is an edc thingy Nov 30 11:01:54 alfa21: you improve the battery life Nov 30 11:02:00 But you expose yourself to the recamping bug Nov 30 11:02:11 yep i knw Nov 30 11:02:15 Hire: where is the edc file located we are talking about ... Nov 30 11:02:21 BluesLee: on git Nov 30 11:02:24 shr-overlay.git Nov 30 11:02:25 but I'd like to test Nov 30 11:02:27 e-wm-theme-illume Nov 30 11:03:14 BluesLee: http://shr.bearstech.com/git Nov 30 11:03:34 (I love my completions, saves a lot of my time) Nov 30 11:04:23 e-wm-theme-illume or e-wm-theme-illume-shr? Nov 30 11:04:29 -shr Nov 30 11:04:35 There's only one on the repo anyway BluesLee Nov 30 11:04:43 what format are the ipk? tar? tar.gz? because tar complains an ipk is not a tar filee Nov 30 11:04:48 bumbl: ar Nov 30 11:04:53 ar x youripk Nov 30 11:10:35 hire: okay, i think i understood some basics. illume-shr.edj is the compiled version of illume-shr.edc which you want to edit ... the icons themself must be provided by the rootfs or an opkg, something like that? Nov 30 11:12:01 Hire: this one? openembedded/packages/e-wm-theme-illume-shr/e-wm-theme-illume-shr/illume-shr.edc ... 3000 lines of configuration ... hmmm Nov 30 11:12:47 the wrench still isn't back? Nov 30 11:13:24 BluesLee: no Nov 30 11:13:27 you have the icons Nov 30 11:13:32 and the edc files Nov 30 11:13:38 Zorkman: here i have a wrench Nov 30 11:13:38 you have to edit the edc file Nov 30 11:13:45 because it contains the configuration Nov 30 11:14:31 thats what i also understood, but there are no edc files in fs Nov 30 11:14:34 bumbl did you play the update and upgrade game? :) Nov 30 11:14:50 yes Nov 30 11:16:11 in that case that is very strange... Nov 30 11:16:21 heard from at leat one other person he also lost the wrench Nov 30 11:18:37 Hire: okay, you are not playing with the desktop icons, you modify all the other icons top shelf ... Nov 30 11:19:37 Hire: the desktop icons thing is a simple fs thing ... hmmm Nov 30 11:20:13 now i got it, hope so Nov 30 11:24:36 Hire: where can i help with the edc file? Nov 30 11:27:01 i want to know Nov 30 11:27:21 how can I change the size and position of gsm, battery, wifi Nov 30 11:27:34 ? Nov 30 11:27:35 ;D Nov 30 11:28:38 huh? Nov 30 11:29:18 Hire: edit the edc Nov 30 11:30:22 hire: scale factor? Nov 30 11:30:42 don't know Nov 30 11:30:53 you have to test iw Nov 30 11:30:53 it Nov 30 11:30:57 change POV? Nov 30 11:31:26 hire: look at line 422 Nov 30 11:31:52 * DocScrutinizer2 wonders what "change size of GSM" might mean Nov 30 11:32:17 Hire: in the group "e/modules/slipshelf/controls/default" Nov 30 11:32:44 blueslee Nov 30 11:32:45 test it Nov 30 11:33:06 i should? how?:-) Nov 30 11:33:30 change it Nov 30 11:33:35 and recompile it Nov 30 11:33:41 i guess i have to change it and transform it to an edje Nov 30 11:34:05 edje_cc $@ -id . -fd . illume.edc -o illume.edj Nov 30 11:34:13 woops Nov 30 11:34:32 edje_cc illume-shr.ed -o illume.edj Nov 30 11:35:12 i thought its illume-shr... Nov 30 11:35:26 illume-shr.edj Nov 30 11:35:27 okay, i may try it Nov 30 11:35:28 yes, sorry :D Nov 30 11:37:16 * mrmoku wonders how long one has to wait for qemu-native to compile before thinking it will hang forever :( Nov 30 11:38:01 Hire: you want it bigger correct? Nov 30 11:38:41 edje_cc: Error. Unable to load image for image "vgrad_dark.png" part entry to illume-shr.edj. Missing PNG or JPEG loader modules for Evas or file does not exist, or is not readable. Nov 30 11:39:23 do you have all the pngs into the dir? Nov 30 11:39:30 Hire: i guess i will run into some problems Nov 30 11:39:41 Hire: i am working in the neo Nov 30 11:39:47 ^on Nov 30 11:39:48 uh Nov 30 11:39:52 you need Nov 30 11:39:57 all the icons Nov 30 11:40:04 and the edc file Nov 30 11:40:09 okay no problem Nov 30 11:40:12 onto a dir Nov 30 11:41:12 it does not find the wallpaper Nov 30 11:41:36 all in one dir? Nov 30 11:41:38 okay Nov 30 11:43:09 yeah Nov 30 11:45:07 okay, scaling does not change anything Nov 30 11:45:25 restarting x for testing is okay? Nov 30 11:45:36 pr do i need more to do Nov 30 11:46:10 sure Nov 30 11:46:15 you have to restart X Nov 30 11:49:38 mrmoku: so you did bitbake without -b ? Nov 30 11:50:00 BluesLee: check the bb recipe for the theme Nov 30 11:50:02 For the right command Nov 30 11:53:53 :) Nov 30 11:54:24 Ainulindale: spec is ready http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/libframeworkd-phonegui Nov 30 11:56:35 Ainulindale: how is the work on the fastboot patches going? Nov 30 11:56:39 are they included? Nov 30 11:57:50 Hire: google for lossy Nov 30 11:59:58 bumbl: ask mrmoku Nov 30 12:00:07 dolf1074: will have a look in an hour or so :-) Nov 30 12:00:19 mrmoku: how is the work on the fastboot pathches going? Nov 30 12:00:21 Will you have time to talk about it? Nov 30 12:00:24 okay, but then I will be gone for a couple of hours Nov 30 12:00:33 but after that I have time Nov 30 12:00:36 plenty of time Nov 30 12:00:37 ok then Nov 30 12:00:43 so for now, I'm off, see you Nov 30 12:00:49 cu Nov 30 12:02:16 Ainulindale: is restarting x sufficient if i want to test edc mods? i overwrite the corresponding edje files no more Nov 30 12:04:20 BluesLee, what kind of edc mods? Nov 30 12:04:35 illume-shr.edc Nov 30 12:05:14 :D Nov 30 12:05:21 pimp your theme? Nov 30 12:05:32 Dave: i have no theme Nov 30 12:05:37 :( Nov 30 12:05:40 aw Nov 30 12:05:47 Dave: there are only some icons Nov 30 12:05:55 Do you think you ever will? Nov 30 12:07:15 i dont know why we put efforts in that stuff. the idea should be something like "we take what e provides as default and change what we do not like" Nov 30 12:07:33 but we try to modify everything Nov 30 12:09:13 Dave: do you have a bb account or whatever it is called?;-) Nov 30 12:09:48 hmm? :) Nov 30 12:10:30 Hire: we are speaking about this file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume-shr.edj, no success Nov 30 12:10:44 Blueslee, yes, I agree with that mantra, but then we want to wrap or encapsulate everything we've done into something neat, tidy, and packageable for distribution :D Nov 30 12:12:13 Dave: i only wanted to do some basic mods and now i am lost in a kind of swamp:-) Nov 30 12:13:05 Dave: and there is a big problem with the icons, i cannot handle those which are outside /usr/share/icons/shr/ Nov 30 12:13:20 hmm I might do an oxygen theme Nov 30 12:13:44 :) Nov 30 12:13:54 Dave: in some cases the apps make their own dirs in ../pixmaps and put their desktop icons into that for instance fbreader Nov 30 12:14:13 and why can't you handle that? Nov 30 12:14:19 I don't see the difficulty. Nov 30 12:14:36 how should i know which apps will be installed Nov 30 12:14:53 Ainulindale: yep, without -b and BINARYLOCALES thing commented out Nov 30 12:15:16 bumbl: I'm struggling to get a image build that I can test Nov 30 12:15:25 Dave: the user installs some new apps and has a totally different icon Nov 30 12:16:03 Dave: for the default ones, lite or not, no problem ... Nov 30 12:16:24 Dave: we would need a software tool to do the job!!! Nov 30 12:16:59 Dave: where you can choose for each app the position at the desktop and can choose an icon from the fs ... Nov 30 12:17:13 Dave: something like that Nov 30 12:18:46 Dave: what would you want to change besides the desktop icons and the wallpaper for a better look? Nov 30 12:20:24 Ainulindale: the build is still hanging on qemu-native for more than one hour now Nov 30 12:20:53 I don't think this is normal and was the reason do not build locales Nov 30 12:21:03 maybe I'm missing something on my buildhost? Nov 30 12:21:06 Create a new tool! Nov 30 12:21:33 Dave: you think i am a geek?;-) Nov 30 12:21:40 maybe? :D Nov 30 12:21:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9e3fd27960b1 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (device.py modems/__init__.py): ogsmd: refactor modem creation logic into modem factory method Nov 30 12:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r915393853264 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: timeouts are now per-modem Nov 30 12:21:54 Dave: no .. Nov 30 12:21:58 Aha ^^ Nov 30 12:22:51 Dave: so i have some starting problems with bb, edje, git and so ... Nov 30 12:23:32 Ainulindale: eveything which builds from http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages;h=7fc36c9cdbf6cd0c481499e89929a33499c254cd;hb=HEAD can be choosen for a "wishlist"? Nov 30 12:25:56 Ainulindale, hey, are you busy at the moment?.... Nov 30 12:26:20 Sup3rkiddo, he is off for some hours I think :) Nov 30 12:27:19 quickdev, oh, ok..how about you?...i guess you are good with gobjects... Nov 30 12:27:20 quickdev: Ainulindale spoke of oe comittments. is it possible to choose apps from the above link for shr? Nov 30 12:28:08 BluesLee, yeah, possible, if the dependencies are ok Nov 30 12:28:18 quickdev: okay, thanks Nov 30 12:28:29 Sup3rkiddo, not really, sorry :) Nov 30 12:28:43 quickdev, oh ...mwahaaa Nov 30 12:29:01 mrmoku, do not build locales, yes Nov 30 12:29:07 Sup3rkiddo: A bit but shoot :-) Nov 30 12:29:09 that solves the qemu problem afaik Nov 30 12:29:26 mrmoku: stop and bitbake -c clean qemu-native and retry Nov 30 12:29:38 BluesLee: yes for your question Nov 30 12:30:15 Ainulindale, hi, actually...its sort of a design issue am stuck at...so need advice....do you know of any simple method by which you can introspect gobjects within python? Nov 30 12:30:42 And by introspect you mean being able to list the methods and such? Nov 30 12:30:50 Ainulindale, eggjactly Nov 30 12:30:50 Why would you need that, out of curiosity? Nov 30 12:31:35 eggjactly? :p Nov 30 12:32:01 Ainulindale, as you know the objects that has to be exported over DBus has to have bus or a connection object to the constructors Nov 30 12:32:30 Sup3rkiddo: well not necessarily Nov 30 12:32:32 For gobjects Nov 30 12:32:40 Ainulindale, oh!... Nov 30 12:32:50 In C, as long as you define a gobject, and an initialize method, then registers the object, you're good Nov 30 12:32:56 s/registers/register/ Nov 30 12:33:24 Sup3rkiddo: well anyway, dir(yourobject) should be good Nov 30 12:33:31 (for introspection) Nov 30 12:33:41 Ainulindale: where i can see the deps of a package on git? Nov 30 12:33:48 BluesLee: it's in the package Nov 30 12:33:51 DEPENDS and RDEPENDS Nov 30 12:33:57 quickdev: do you know an easier way to get rasters keyboard than the way zhone chooses? http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=tree;f=src Nov 30 12:33:59 Sup3rkiddo: well I have a C example if you want Nov 30 12:34:34 bumbl, python / C? Nov 30 12:34:59 python Nov 30 12:35:25 Ainulindale, sure..i would be glad Nov 30 12:35:28 zhone creates a new python module which wraps the C code to python Nov 30 12:35:42 Sup3rkiddo: http://shr.bearstech.com/git Nov 30 12:35:46 See shr.git, ophonekitd Nov 30 12:35:50 ophonekitd-dbus.c Nov 30 12:36:03 great, i have the local checkout Nov 30 12:36:06 thanks Nov 30 12:36:16 What? Local checkout? Nov 30 12:36:19 You... you... Nov 30 12:36:23 bumbl, the ecore python bindings should provide a function: ecore_x_e_virtual_keyboard_state_set Nov 30 12:36:23 Checking out my sources ?! Nov 30 12:36:28 How can you?! :-) Nov 30 12:36:34 ah Nov 30 12:36:34 They're mine! Mine! Nov 30 12:36:46 Ainulindale: #170 is it precise enough? Nov 30 12:36:51 Sup3rkiddo: well anyway the process I used is Nov 30 12:36:53 Sup3rkiddo: request name Nov 30 12:36:55 Ainulindale, heres the code which i am trying to incorporate, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=blob;f=fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py;h=9f688695a8978415fb2cee7a352d3f331849c138;hb=2abcb8d24aff5ef7f19e32d554b602a24d4874c9 Nov 30 12:36:55 if name is good Nov 30 12:36:57 then register object Nov 30 12:37:21 Ainulindale, yes, i tried that, but i am at a loss since i get the mainloop required..something Nov 30 12:37:24 just a sec Nov 30 12:37:48 do we have a simple text editor with a ui in the shr feed? Nov 30 12:37:49 Sup3rkiddo: Well, you have a bunch of examples in frameworkd code Nov 30 12:38:11 now I just have to find the python def Nov 30 12:38:13 BluesLee: please don't open several tickets for that :-) Nov 30 12:38:21 BluesLee: open a big ticket with all your requirements Nov 30 12:38:38 Ainulindale, yeah, but the main loop is python code...here, the mainloop loads a dynamic .so which embeds the python interpreter Nov 30 12:38:48 Sup3rkiddo: hmpf Nov 30 12:38:51 Sup3rkiddo: well anyway Nov 30 12:38:55 You have first to g_type_init() Nov 30 12:39:06 Then g_thread_init Nov 30 12:39:09 then dbus thread initi Nov 30 12:39:13 see ophonekitd-main.c Nov 30 12:39:16 Ainulindale, only once, i guess? Nov 30 12:39:19 hmm..ok Nov 30 12:39:26 Only once, yes Nov 30 12:39:33 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=ophonekitd/src/ophonekitd-main.c;h=fabaf933e8d849fedab4866e3599a7fde68dc421;hb=HEAD Nov 30 12:40:01 init gtypes, init gthreads, init dbus threads Nov 30 12:40:03 then init the mainloop Nov 30 12:40:10 Do your init stuff Nov 30 12:40:13 then run the mainloop Nov 30 12:40:33 Don't forget to add the entry to your policies Nov 30 12:40:42 Or else you'll spent an hour trying to figure out why it outputs an error Nov 30 12:40:55 i wonder how to that from vala since, it calls g_type_init Nov 30 12:41:05 Ainulindale, yeah, i had been bitten by that once... Nov 30 12:41:06 :P Nov 30 12:41:12 the policy stuff Nov 30 12:41:23 Well it doesn't matter if you do the g_type_init twice IIRC Nov 30 12:41:38 Ainulindale: okay, i will make a list and try to find an app from the oe package list which would do the job Nov 30 12:41:39 Don't forget to register your gtype too by the way Nov 30 12:41:46 BluesLee: Nice, thanks :-) Nov 30 12:42:21 Ainulindale: is it possible to remove or close tickets? Nov 30 12:42:59 Blueslee :) Nov 30 12:43:09 Dave: yes? Nov 30 12:43:21 BluesLee: not for you, but if you create an account I can give you the rights Nov 30 12:43:35 ah found it ecore.evas.SoftwareX11.x_window_virtual_keyboard_state_set Nov 30 12:43:36 Ainulindale, i guess, really need not worry about that since vala does that boring stuff for me...its just that i need to find a way to propagate the DBus connection or bus reference to the python scripts somehow..if its done, the startup time is greatly reduced.. Nov 30 12:43:49 Ainulindale: ok, stopped, cleaned qemu-native and re-enabled the BINARYLOCALE=0 thing Nov 30 12:43:58 Dave: did you used the icons tarball? Nov 30 12:43:59 mrmoku: do not reenable that Nov 30 12:44:01 please :-) Nov 30 12:44:10 Sup3rkiddo: what do you mean by propagating the dbus connection reference? Nov 30 12:44:24 ok, but qemu-native won't build - lets see ;) Nov 30 12:44:53 Ainulindale, i mean passing it to some factory function in the python scripts, which will be used to initialise the DBus ifaces Nov 30 12:45:04 Blueslee same one, or is there a new one? :D Nov 30 12:45:05 You mean the gobject right? Nov 30 12:45:07 I also redid the rm various stuff you told me and removed the task ipks Nov 30 12:45:23 mrmoku: oh and also Nov 30 12:45:26 and cleaned openembedded, repatched it with your patch and my patch Nov 30 12:45:29 empty your ccache Nov 30 12:45:35 Ainulindale, no, the ones inheriting dbus.service.Object Nov 30 12:45:39 Ainulindale: hi, there. Where can I post feature requests for the dialer in SHR? Nov 30 12:45:49 polz: trac, under libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Nov 30 12:45:54 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac Nov 30 12:46:00 Dave: thats okay Nov 30 12:46:05 Sup3rkiddo: Gnnn? Nov 30 12:46:08 ok did rm -rf ~/.ccache/* Nov 30 12:46:10 Sup3rkiddo: Please sum up :-) Nov 30 12:46:14 You have a gobject Nov 30 12:46:17 What does it do? Nov 30 12:46:41 you see, there's a trivial feature I could _really_ use that hasn't been implemented. The "+" key. Nov 30 12:46:48 polz: ticket is already there Nov 30 12:48:27 yes, I see. Nov 30 12:48:46 I think it should have remained classified as "defect", though. Nov 30 12:48:48 Ainulindale, wokay..looks like i screwed up real bad...lemme start from scratch....... The mainloop loads the python manager, the python manager is analagous to the controller in frameworkd and executes magic factory functions to initialise DBus objects..but its written in C...Now if i need to pass something like controller.bus to the factory function which in turn initialises the DBus objects. Nov 30 12:49:02 s/if/null/ Nov 30 12:49:09 I'm abroad right now and can't call home because I can't dial the number Nov 30 12:49:25 Sup3rkiddo: So you want to pass the proxy bus object back and forth between C and python? Nov 30 12:49:50 Ainulindale, aye...not forth, just from C -> Python Nov 30 12:49:53 polz: There's a solution for that Nov 30 12:49:57 polz: Don't leave your country Nov 30 12:49:57 i mean not back and forth Nov 30 12:50:10 Sup3rkiddo: Can't you serialize/deserialize stuff for dbus? Nov 30 12:50:15 (Don't know if this is possible) Nov 30 12:50:41 Sup3rkiddo: and anyway, isn't the controller.bus object equal to systembus? Nov 30 12:51:05 what are the allowed keyboard states? Nov 30 12:51:09 Ainulindale: our country is about 300km across in each direction. One could leave it by accident ;) Nov 30 12:51:15 Ainulindale, yes, but i cannot do another _bus = dbus.bus.SystemBus() as its not associated with the mainloop Nov 30 12:51:16 polz: :-) Nov 30 12:51:27 polz:replace + with 00 Nov 30 12:51:34 Sup3rkiddo: Ah, yes, I see. Nov 30 12:51:39 Well this is a tricky problem indeed. Nov 30 12:52:25 polz: that usually works Nov 30 12:52:56 Ainulindale, if its worked out, all we need to do is copy over the python subsystems and it will hopefully just work(tm).. Nov 30 12:53:23 Ainulindale, untimeError: To make asynchronous calls, receive signals or export objects, D-Bus connections must be attached to a main loop by passing mainloop=... to the constructor or calling dbus.set_default_main_loop(...) Nov 30 12:53:32 this is what i get Nov 30 12:53:55 by doing SystemBus() ? Nov 30 12:54:04 session and system Nov 30 12:54:17 and thats a RunTimeError Nov 30 12:54:54 Did you try to use the default mainloop? Nov 30 12:55:14 Ainulindale, to make me weep louder, the exception is getting bubbled from some internel API Nov 30 12:55:59 Ainulindale, theres seems to be no way to pass mainloop to the super(Time, self).__init__(.... Nov 30 12:56:09 its either DBus bus or connection Nov 30 12:56:17 Tried DBusGMainlopp() with set_as_default=True? Nov 30 12:56:32 s/lopp/loop/ Nov 30 12:57:16 (I see that commented out in your code) Nov 30 12:57:19 Ainulindale, yeah, but...i thought that would conflict somehow with the main mainloop...er...the C loop Nov 30 12:57:27 Why would it? Nov 30 12:57:55 If you already init a mainloop Nov 30 12:57:59 And if you choose the default one Nov 30 12:58:06 Which is the only way possible looking at the docs Nov 30 12:58:16 It seems logical to me that this would work Nov 30 12:58:27 But then, language interaction isn't that much logical :-) Nov 30 12:58:49 Ainulindale, you mean the C -> Python thingy? Nov 30 12:58:53 Yeah Nov 30 13:00:59 Ainulindale, its just to improve the startup time..my gsoc code was the odeviced, so i added this as a subsystem to the C controller...ogsmd is a big monster and mickeyl told me to continue working on it... Nov 30 13:01:21 Yeah I got that Nov 30 13:02:26 Ainulindale, so if i find a way to pass the bus object correct, just move over files and it should just work..;), Nov 30 13:02:35 Yeah got that too =) Nov 30 13:02:47 Try that DbusGmainloop again thingy Nov 30 13:02:50 I'm not sure it's that bad Nov 30 13:02:55 Either way, I have to go for a while Nov 30 13:02:59 Bunch of things to do in the real life :-) Nov 30 13:03:01 Good luck ;-) Nov 30 13:05:59 does projects.openmoko.org do Git? Nov 30 13:07:38 Ainulindale, hallelujah..someone has to spank me with a freerunner..uncommenting that works!..but it missed that since it doesn't seem to register a proper bus name....the object is getting exposed at some :1.545 thingy, which i missed!! Nov 30 13:07:41 bleh... Nov 30 13:07:45 thanks! Nov 30 13:08:07 instead of the org.fso.foo busname Nov 30 13:09:34 Heh :-) Nov 30 13:09:42 (Stop hilighting me it keeps me out of my meal) Nov 30 13:09:50 (bad, bad, Sup3rkiddo! :-) ) Nov 30 13:11:01 * mrmoku is wondering if anybody in here uses Fedora as buildhost and manages to build qemu-native with locales enabled Nov 30 13:11:05 thanks.....though, its a pretty subtle thing to miss Nov 30 13:11:32 mrmoku: check the log, check the process Nov 30 13:11:35 See where it hangs Nov 30 13:11:37 Output the log Nov 30 13:11:43 And wait for the end of my meal :-) Nov 30 13:14:43 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7d51f0a1ef00 10/fsod/src/main.vala: Remove some redundant lines of code Nov 30 13:14:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rec99cb926f08 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: Exposing DBus objects written in python works now. Thanks Ainulindale Nov 30 13:20:54 Ainulindale: have a nice meal :) good idea to take a look in the log - it's still running Nov 30 13:21:02 maybe it's just that slow Nov 30 13:24:32 bahh Nov 30 13:24:39 the buzzzzzz is back again Nov 30 13:24:43 on my side Nov 30 13:25:21 c'est horrible Nov 30 13:25:34 :O Nov 30 13:26:57 what did you do to make it reappear bumbl? Nov 30 13:31:56 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r840cba2a67b6 10/fsod/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Cleanup. We don't need the bindings to fsod now Nov 30 13:32:06 I got called by a friend of mine Nov 30 13:32:28 bumbl, who has got a freerunner, too? Nov 30 13:33:11 quickdev: no she has a motorola razr I think Nov 30 13:33:55 bumbl: razr makes noise... i know Nov 30 13:53:06 Ainulindale, hi I tried your latest build for the gta02 on my blueangel Nov 30 13:53:24 build of SHR that is Nov 30 13:54:58 blueangel? ;) Nov 30 13:57:25 quickdev: ah ok Nov 30 13:58:08 ah sorrry I meant quatrox|away Nov 30 13:58:32 and: we need a way to lock the screen during a phone call Nov 30 13:58:41 quickdev, yes org.oe.dev/conf/machine/htcblueangel.conf Nov 30 13:59:16 ah :) Nov 30 13:59:17 e.g. (un)lock screen -> aux, hang up and unlock screen -> power Nov 30 14:02:56 we need a config menu with a radio btn menu Nov 30 14:03:15 where we can choose what the aux btn sghould do Nov 30 14:03:47 s,sghould,should, Nov 30 14:10:28 woah, Fedora works! Nov 30 14:12:44 why shouldn't it? Nov 30 14:13:17 yep Nov 30 14:13:19 config button Nov 30 14:13:45 aux, aux long, aux extra long, power, power long, power extra long Nov 30 14:14:54 polz: why can't you call home? Nov 30 14:15:32 e.g 0049 123456 should work (123456 not 0123456) Nov 30 14:16:00 it's been a while I didn'T install any distro Nov 30 14:16:11 I'm getting ready to develop for Openmoko actually Nov 30 14:16:23 thumbs up Nov 30 14:16:37 I don't have a phone though Nov 30 14:24:00 dcordes: so? Is it working? Nov 30 14:24:44 Ainulindale, yes. some fonts are too small and illume has some speed glitches. but I hope that will be better when I build for the correct arch Nov 30 14:24:55 Nice :-) Nov 30 14:25:57 Ainulindale: looks like it's hanging on target-sparc/translate.c now Nov 30 14:25:57 Ainulindale, are you planning to merge the outsourced metadata with OE? Nov 30 14:26:09 qemu? Nov 30 14:26:15 is there a way to disable all those unneeded archs? Nov 30 14:26:18 yep qemu Nov 30 14:26:23 dcordes_: Not immediately, but as soon as we release the first milestone, yes Nov 30 14:26:23 ./configure --help Nov 30 14:26:39 mrmoku: no idea Nov 30 14:26:40 spanska: qemu Nov 30 14:27:05 develop with the efl Nov 30 14:27:56 bumbl, btw..what are you working on? :) Nov 30 14:28:11 look at scap Nov 30 14:28:40 http://code.google.com/p/omoney/ Nov 30 14:29:00 nothing big at the moment Nov 30 14:29:12 it might be useless for anyone except me Nov 30 14:30:42 and I had a look into shr-settings Nov 30 14:31:03 if I find time I might do a set time application Nov 30 14:32:12 but the shr-settings code is a bit of a "mess" (unneeded functions commented out/not called and not removed) Nov 30 14:33:58 so quickdev: what states (int) does ecore_x_e_virtual_keyboard_state_set() and where can I read what the state does? Nov 30 14:34:03 bumbl, some days ago I thought about something like that. I'd like to know how much I'm paying for what kind of things Nov 30 14:34:48 bumbl, is qemu enough to develop a lot? Nov 30 14:34:53 bumbl, http://google.com/codesearch?hl=de&q=file:(/|^)Ecore_X\.h%24+show:3aGWIBVDI0A:l-MV3zuqMcM:3aGWIBVDI0A&&cs_p=cvs+:pserver:anonymous:%40anoncvs.enlightenment.org:/var/cvs/e+e17/libs/ewl/debian/control&cs_f=libs/ecore/src/lib/ecore_x/Ecore_X.h Nov 30 14:35:06 bumbl, look for: Ecore_X_Virtual_Keyboard_State Nov 30 14:37:04 quickdev: so 1 is off, 2 is on, 3 is alpha 4 is numeric? Nov 30 14:37:44 bumbl, yes, but have a look at the python bindings. There should be some constants for it. Nov 30 14:38:41 spanska: it should, I haven't used qemu though because a) I own a freerunner and b) my current project is python + efl so I can develop on the desktop easily Nov 30 14:42:32 hmm ok Nov 30 14:42:58 I got it to show up on startup of the whole app Nov 30 14:43:57 now I have to find a way to test whether an entry field has focs Nov 30 14:44:00 focus Nov 30 14:49:49 * mickey|mc75i|mux announces his first successful test with the new modem Nov 30 14:50:09 which new modem? Nov 30 14:50:18 anyway: congrats Nov 30 14:50:53 gta03 modem Nov 30 14:51:02 not on a gta03 Nov 30 14:51:09 but on a standalone modem eval board Nov 30 14:51:37 will it be integrated in gta04? Nov 30 14:52:01 no idea, 04 is so far away... Nov 30 14:52:18 how far away is 03? Nov 30 14:52:22 will gta03 include a new screen? Nov 30 14:52:28 no new screen Nov 30 14:52:31 new case though Nov 30 14:52:31 spanska: hopefully not Nov 30 14:52:39 making the old screen much more usable Nov 30 14:52:43 the screen genius Nov 30 14:52:55 it's a bit too small Nov 30 14:53:03 i like the screen Nov 30 14:53:09 nah dpi ftw Nov 30 14:53:28 it's resolution seems to be more than excellent though Nov 30 14:53:30 yup Nov 30 14:55:05 mickey|mc75i|mux: no more flu? ;) Nov 30 14:56:26 damn, I get so many errors when trying to build dialer3 Nov 30 14:56:46 hmm Nov 30 14:57:03 mickey|mc75i|mux, congrats :) things are going forward :) Nov 30 14:57:36 * bumbl will have to roll his dice in order to evaluate if he buys the gta03 Nov 30 14:57:39 I don't remember missing any step.. Nov 30 14:57:47 spanska, dialer3? openmoko-dialer3? Where is the recipe from?= Nov 30 14:57:59 Kensan: still flu, but seeing the mc75i answer in MUX mode is so exciting Nov 30 14:58:04 quickdev: *nod* Nov 30 14:58:07 quickdev: thanks Nov 30 14:58:11 I'm just following the steps on the web page to build a devel environment Nov 30 14:58:24 spanska, url :) Nov 30 15:02:14 so Nov 30 15:02:25 how can I reorganize illume settings? Nov 30 15:02:43 quickdev, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Developing%20SHR Nov 30 15:02:44 i want to change the categories and remove some useless ( for FR ) thing Nov 30 15:02:57 +s Nov 30 15:03:29 spanska, ok. which errors are you experiencing? Nov 30 15:05:50 ERROR: while parsing /home/spanska/openmoko-shr/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/packages/openmoko-contacts3/openmoko-contacts3_git.bb Nov 30 15:06:36 I did the change just over that error on the web page.. weird Nov 30 15:07:27 bumbl, why? Nov 30 15:08:20 mickey|mc75i|mux: heh, but despite that you should probably still try to get some rest Nov 30 15:09:20 true Nov 30 15:09:30 i'll rest in a few minutes Nov 30 15:09:33 just one more commit Nov 30 15:09:50 dcordes_: i have a gta02 and it works(TM) and I usually buy a phone every two years Nov 30 15:10:03 mickey|mc75i|mux, will you implement edge, too? :) Nov 30 15:10:18 mickey|mc75i|mux: there is always one more commit... :) but great news of course! Nov 30 15:10:31 quickdev: edge, yes Nov 30 15:10:58 mickey|mc75i|mux, do you already know how many channels are usable? Nov 30 15:11:02 for edge Nov 30 15:11:13 or is that provider dependent? Nov 30 15:11:23 i don't know the specs atm. Nov 30 15:11:47 ah, ok :) Nov 30 15:11:47 it's hardware and provider dependent Nov 30 15:11:54 specs for mc75i are freely everywhere Nov 30 15:12:00 so you can take a look what we can get at best Nov 30 15:15:31 who has a gta03 prototype? Nov 30 15:15:49 iirc there are only 2 working ones Nov 30 15:15:51 both in taiwan Nov 30 15:16:11 2 of 25? Nov 30 15:16:21 25? Nov 30 15:16:29 the 25 first GTA03EVB arrived in office Nov 30 15:16:34 ah Nov 30 15:16:35 EVB Nov 30 15:16:42 no idea about the evbs Nov 30 15:16:57 evaluation board? Nov 30 15:16:57 they're obsolete Nov 30 15:17:15 or what does evb stands for? Nov 30 15:17:15 the EVBs did still use the old cpu iirc Nov 30 15:17:22 okay Nov 30 15:17:32 prototype always means one step further than evb Nov 30 15:17:38 like, first actual pcb Nov 30 15:17:38 i am wondering how they look like with a new case;-) Nov 30 15:18:04 no one knows... ID will take a bit Nov 30 15:18:36 yeah, it took a long time for the gta02, i remember ... Nov 30 15:19:32 mickey|mc75i|mux, ID? Nov 30 15:19:40 industrial design Nov 30 15:34:13 quickdev, do you know how to fix that? Nov 30 15:34:43 spanska, please post the whole log...or at least some more lines Nov 30 15:39:32 mickey|mc75i|mux: You'd better fight the flu than fight modems Nov 30 15:39:56 ainulindale .. Nov 30 15:40:41 i nearly finished "my works" on illume config Nov 30 15:40:59 and i want to reorganize categories and modules of illume config Nov 30 15:41:01 mickey|mc75i|mux: and despite all your hopes and dreams about python, I'm not sure it qualifies as flu medication :-) Nov 30 15:41:09 Hire: nice :-) Nov 30 15:41:17 but to do that I had to change some small things on the source of e17 Nov 30 15:41:55 so, how can I do that? :D Nov 30 15:42:01 Well, don't do that Nov 30 15:42:11 *sigh* Nov 30 15:42:15 Do everything you can do without touching the sources first Nov 30 15:42:17 i know how to make it Nov 30 15:42:23 Then we'll focus on that, and we'll ask raster Nov 30 15:42:28 ok, i get it Nov 30 15:42:49 Let's first try to ship with nice italian eye candy Nov 30 15:43:01 we are bad designer Nov 30 15:43:07 i am a VERY bad designer Nov 30 15:43:11 :D Nov 30 15:43:17 quickdev, http://pastebin.com/d787a15dc Nov 30 15:43:19 I don't care, as long as your stuff looks good Nov 30 15:44:20 Ainulindale, have a look at spanska's paste Nov 30 15:44:36 that shouldn't happen with the instructions in the wiki, or am I wrong? Nov 30 15:46:20 I probably ran the bitbake commands in the wrong dir at first.. could it be the cause of the error? I think I followed everything else correctly Nov 30 15:48:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rab4a24f46524 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): ogsmd: start with support for the CINTERION MC75(i) Nov 30 15:49:01 ok, enough for today Nov 30 15:49:03 * mickey|mc75i|mux back in bed Nov 30 15:49:06 cu Nov 30 15:49:33 quickdev: yep Nov 30 15:50:36 He modified his shr.bbclass class, no other way Nov 30 15:50:58 spanska: grep SRC_URI shr/openembedded/class/shr.bbclass Nov 30 15:51:37 ainulindale:however if you can grant me access on shr-overlay i will commit my works ... Nov 30 15:51:43 Hire: you already have Nov 30 15:51:47 [spanska@laptop shr-testing]$ pwd Nov 30 15:51:47 /home/spanska/openmoko-shr/shr-testing Nov 30 15:51:47 [spanska@laptop shr-testing]$ grep SRC_URI shr/openembedded/class/shr.bbclass Nov 30 15:51:47 grep: shr/openembedded/class/shr.bbclass: No such file or directory Nov 30 15:51:47 [spanska@laptop shr-testing]$ Nov 30 15:52:03 ah... Nov 30 15:52:05 oops :D Nov 30 15:52:19 are you sure? i rembember only shr.git Nov 30 15:52:23 spanska: classes Nov 30 15:52:37 Hire: I gave you access as soon as I put the theme in shr-overlay Nov 30 15:52:48 Ainulindale, in what directory should I do the command? Nov 30 15:52:49 ok Nov 30 15:52:52 spanska: the one you're in Nov 30 15:53:06 classes instead of class, though Nov 30 15:53:13 oh sorry, hold on Nov 30 15:53:53 [spanska@laptop shr-testing]$ grep SRC_URI shr/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass Nov 30 15:53:53 #SRC_URI = "${SHR_MIRROR}/shr.git;protocol=http;branch=master" Nov 30 15:53:53 SRC_URI := "file://${TOPDIR}/shr-apps/${PN}" Nov 30 15:54:17 There you are Nov 30 15:54:20 Why did you modify that? Nov 30 15:54:32 Hold on, I'll find where Nov 30 15:54:54 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR Nov 30 15:55:13 This stuff isn't up to date. Nov 30 15:55:30 I'm new to this, I just followed it;) Nov 30 15:56:01 so you want me to put it back to what it was at first? Nov 30 15:56:03 well, it's not, and I don't have the time as of now to explain how to correct that Nov 30 15:56:12 ok Nov 30 15:56:17 You just have to get rid of the SRCREV in the bb files Nov 30 15:56:26 And WORKDIR without git in it Nov 30 15:56:33 Then put that back Nov 30 15:56:45 I'll figure out a way to do that without having to do that Nov 30 15:56:48 But not now, sorry Nov 30 16:03:42 I don't understand what files I have to change besides the one I changed and shouldn't have to Nov 30 16:04:16 Ainulindale, I'm almost done with my things. Nov 30 16:06:04 sorry quick question: what's events/0 ? Nov 30 16:06:19 it's hogging my cpu Nov 30 16:07:24 I LOVE THIS SENTENCE: quickdev> Ainulindale, I'm almost done with my things. Nov 30 16:10:29 oh well, I'll wait for anyone with some time to help me figure how to setup my development environment. I will surely have some questions at first with my project as well. Nov 30 16:18:39 alfa21: me too Nov 30 16:19:11 but I would rather like that abraxa says that he is done with his stuf Nov 30 16:19:12 f Nov 30 17:33:25 has anyone tethered their neo? What distro is best? Links to how to do it? Nov 30 17:36:06 Hydrant: be more precise Nov 30 17:38:28 I would like to be able to use the GRPS data connection in my freerunner to be able to use SSH on my laptop, to ssh into another system at home Nov 30 17:38:39 I'm not having much luck with google thus far Nov 30 17:41:41 Hey BluesLee :) Nov 30 17:42:14 dave :-) Nov 30 17:42:23 hey Dave :) Nov 30 17:45:30 Hey J :) Nov 30 17:45:46 where's the framework documentation again? Nov 30 17:53:29 Hydrant: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Tethering Nov 30 17:54:16 YES :D Nov 30 18:25:31 Ainulindale: I'm here ;) Nov 30 18:32:16 Hei dolf :] Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb558a7245ad8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add TODO Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add onetworkd and renamed test.py to otimed. Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 3.) Don't load .pyc files Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 4.) Connection Propery no longer visible on DBus Nov 30 18:38:46 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc0ca5d5482cb 10/fsod/ (12 files in 6 dirs): Nov 30 18:38:51 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add TODO Nov 30 18:38:53 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add onetworkd python subsystem and move to otimed/ Nov 30 18:38:55 freesmartphone.org: 3.) Don't load .pyc files. PythonManager can import modules in directory (pretty redundant as of now) Nov 30 18:38:58 freesmartphone.org: 4.) Connection property no longer visible on DBus Nov 30 18:41:03 Dave: hey Nov 30 18:48:52 :) Nov 30 18:53:09 :D Nov 30 19:01:14 Does anyone know why auto-suspend doesn't seem to work in FSOm4? It never suspends automatically even though the illume options say it should. Nov 30 19:09:50 cjb: not sure, but i think the illume options are connected to X's way of doing things (dim, screensaver etc) ... and not frameworkd's suspend Nov 30 19:10:28 ah. Nov 30 19:11:12 is there some way I can hook into frameworkd to make suspend happen at idle? Nov 30 19:11:18 if you want suspend, you should change the settings in frameworkd.conf respectively Nov 30 19:11:39 thanks Nov 30 19:18:10 sicu: hm, not seeing suspend references there Nov 30 19:22:43 I added a suspend=30 to idlenotifier, maybe that'll work Nov 30 19:31:42 augh, didn't work Nov 30 19:31:49 where can i find a gta02 kernel configuration? Nov 30 19:32:06 cjb: http://brokenmoko.pastebin.com/d1ef32c04 Nov 30 19:32:13 try playing around with those settings Nov 30 19:32:19 DieMumie1: top level of your kernel source checkout, or arch/arm/configs/gta-something Nov 30 19:32:55 sicu: I did; I added suspend=30, ad rebooted, and it'snot suspending Nov 30 19:33:38 i believe i am on andys branch Nov 30 19:33:39 hmm k Nov 30 19:34:00 thank you Nov 30 19:48:05 sicu: huh, frameworkd log shows that I'm entering the suspend state Nov 30 19:48:14 cjb: you can't Nov 30 19:48:19 Except if you put a rule on the idle signal Nov 30 19:48:23 Though it's not logical Nov 30 19:48:34 but then nothing happens, it doesn't suspend the phone Nov 30 19:48:34 cjb: You might as well disable idle, idle_dim, idle_prelock, lock Nov 30 19:49:00 Ainulindale: confused, sorry. what can't I do? Nov 30 19:49:04 indeed Nov 30 19:49:11 i am on qi;-) Nov 30 19:49:15 You can't make suspend happen at idle Nov 30 19:49:21 You can disable the preceeding states Nov 30 19:49:27 oh. why not? Nov 30 19:49:30 And you can tie a Suspend action to the idle signal Nov 30 19:49:32 But this is dumb Nov 30 19:49:36 Because this is not meant to be Nov 30 19:49:53 So my advice is, disable the other signals Nov 30 19:50:00 And put a Suspend action on the suspend signal Nov 30 19:50:01 I don't understand. it *is* happeningon idle; I see: Nov 30 19:50:05 2008.11.30 15:50:50 oeventsd INFO Receive IdleState, status = suspend Nov 30 19:50:07 2008.11.30 15:50:50 oeventsd DEBUG trigger IdleState Nov 30 19:50:18 What I see here is that you received a suspend signal Nov 30 19:50:24 Nothing more Nov 30 19:50:33 okay, I'll try. what's a Suspend action? Nov 30 19:50:42 This is an "IdleState", as much as "idle", "idle_dim", "idle_prelock", "lock" and "busy" Nov 30 19:51:02 yup Nov 30 19:52:06 okay, trying with everything except suspend set to 0 Nov 30 19:52:29 who introduced "enter your sms here" again? Nov 30 19:52:32 could you explain the Suspend action part, please? Nov 30 19:53:07 quickdev? Nov 30 19:54:07 BluesLee? Nov 30 19:54:21 it's fixed in the new revision Nov 30 19:54:37 okay Nov 30 19:55:24 Ainulindale: could you elaborate, please? Nov 30 19:57:43 why the sim authentification takes so long? same behaviour with fso/zhone ... Nov 30 19:58:03 30 sec and more here ... Nov 30 19:58:27 BluesLee, frameworkd startup time Nov 30 19:59:28 can you speed up it?;-) Nov 30 20:00:03 people are working on it Nov 30 20:00:15 nice to hear Nov 30 20:00:37 now, qi makes everything faster, i want it superfast;-) Nov 30 20:03:37 BluesLee, ;] Nov 30 20:03:56 I wonder if suspend to card will kill the card fast. Nov 30 20:04:00 * mwester-laptop contends that a phone that stays running is better than one that reboots quickly. Nov 30 20:04:05 i.e hibernation Nov 30 20:04:18 mwester, I have to agree ;] Nov 30 20:05:35 what is suspend to card? Nov 30 20:07:35 What does hibernation buy you? Nov 30 20:09:08 battery life? Nov 30 20:09:29 no Nov 30 20:09:36 mwester, wicked boot time Nov 30 20:09:49 you suspend to ram when you want to suspend (what's being done now...) Nov 30 20:10:04 and hibernate instead of shutting down (mostly) Nov 30 20:10:11 so you will get a wicked boot time... Nov 30 20:10:34 * Hire loves Dolores O'Riordan Nov 30 20:12:07 I gotta know something, do people really use ewallets? I mean wallets on the phone to track their money? Nov 30 20:12:07 this deep suspend thing was removed from the distributions? Nov 30 20:12:41 TAsn: ask bumbl;-) Nov 30 20:12:45 BluesLee, if you are talking about hibernation I don't think it ever existed, though I might be wrong ;] Nov 30 20:12:56 BluesLee, why? Nov 30 20:13:09 I just noticed the app on my nokia and thought about it. Nov 30 20:13:56 is there a big disadvantage of the new bootloader, from a conceptual viewpoint? Nov 30 20:14:45 BluesLee, I also thought about flashing Qi, might be cool. Nov 30 20:14:55 for me its cool Nov 30 20:15:31 since one hour:-) Nov 30 20:15:49 I shold flash Qi on a couple of my phones and benchmark it with real data for you, Mwester. Nov 30 20:16:08 at the very least, a better side-by-side comparison than what's on the wiki (under Qi) Nov 30 20:16:20 it took 1:17 to boot to e here Nov 30 20:17:31 i expected that Nov 30 20:17:50 but i didnt expected a speed up of the system Nov 30 20:18:07 I don't think anyone can beat my record of 7:50. Nov 30 20:18:16 (not that it's a good thing :D) Nov 30 20:20:42 its weird but apps like omview are faster Nov 30 20:21:07 graphics seem to be faster Nov 30 20:22:49 strange Nov 30 20:23:11 how can we test that? Nov 30 20:23:22 has someone an idea ... Nov 30 20:28:07 Dave: I think *everyone* would appreciate some side-by-side tests. Frankly, I am rather worried that "irrational exuberance" may result otherwise. Nov 30 20:28:56 :-) Nov 30 20:31:01 Agreed. Nov 30 20:32:46 Are the instructions on Openmoko's wiki up to date to setup qemu for GTA02 ? Nov 30 20:33:58 hmph, I hooked suspend in but now it won't wake up after suspend. Maybe because the log file on my SD card is open when I suspend.. Nov 30 20:38:36 Aw Nov 30 20:48:02 cjb: open files pose no problem for suspend/resume. Nov 30 20:49:22 yeah, the problem seems like it was instead that the suspend state gets "entered" three times in a row for no good reason Nov 30 20:49:56 and having such immediate suspend/resume cycles was causing a crash Nov 30 20:50:39 so I added some locking to ignore sa suspend that isn't preceded by a busy state Nov 30 20:50:44 s/sa/a/ Nov 30 21:09:10 hm, I wonder where the oeventsd rules live Nov 30 21:11:48 found them Nov 30 21:13:00 : /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml Nov 30 21:13:09 ahh .. you already found them ;p Nov 30 21:13:48 yeah. sigh, still crashes. Nov 30 21:15:27 I don't understand it, power button suspend/resume works, but when I hook up the Suspend action to the suspend state it doesn't come out of suspend afterwards Nov 30 21:19:04 sicu :\ Nov 30 21:19:16 cjb, it seems to be a bit objectionable Nov 30 21:19:44 but why? it's the same call.. Nov 30 21:20:34 what call is that? Nov 30 21:21:31 cjb: that's because it resume then resuspends Nov 30 21:21:42 why'd you guys choose YAML! Nov 30 21:22:24 Ainulindale: yeah.. Nov 30 21:22:58 it seems to be working okay at the moment, actually Nov 30 21:23:46 maybe I should add a rule that says return to busy state straight after suspend state somehow? Nov 30 21:25:07 Sargun, they were eager to fail? Nov 30 21:26:42 cool, seems all good now Nov 30 21:27:09 cjb, what just happened!? Nov 30 21:27:10 for building SHR are the rasterpatches no more needed? Nov 30 21:39:50 von_fritz: nope Nov 30 21:51:06 hey, is there a notes app available for the moko? Nov 30 21:51:36 Notes? Nov 30 21:51:44 Like a notepad? (digital or handwriting) Nov 30 21:51:59 digital, and not like notepad Nov 30 21:52:05 more like a sticky note app... Nov 30 21:52:08 Ah Nov 30 21:52:14 Like a Todo kind of thing? Nov 30 21:52:26 kinda. Nov 30 21:52:41 I just need a place to store tmp short notes Nov 30 21:52:49 that I can easily delete, review and access. Nov 30 21:52:55 Like the Palm memo app Nov 30 21:53:06 exactly like real sticky notes ;] Nov 30 21:53:18 mwester, I don't own a palm, so no idea, I'll google though. ;] Nov 30 21:53:33 something like Sticky Notes for the GNOME Desktop Environment Nov 30 21:53:41 Well, I'd like one that i can search, unlike all the real post-it notes I have stuck all over my office. Nov 30 21:53:53 mwester-laptop, ;] Nov 30 21:54:10 I don't mind having the ability to search because I won't abuse it like you have ;] Nov 30 21:54:47 Even better, I'd like one that automagically does a search when I get an incoming text msg or call -- and offer all the memos related to that phone number, name, or (if SMS) to the text in the SMS. :) Nov 30 21:55:05 ;] Nov 30 21:55:18 I'm less pick than that. Nov 30 21:55:24 all I want is a notes app ;] Nov 30 21:55:59 Me: "Oh hi Mr. Customer! I was just going to call you... (glances at phone screen) .. about that document I promised to send you..." Nov 30 21:56:38 mwester-laptop, hehe Nov 30 21:56:59 I think actually remembering to send your customer the document in the first place is a much better course of action Nov 30 21:57:05 but hey, I'm not you ;] Nov 30 21:57:56 i can definetively see use in that Nov 30 21:59:36 sorry for bursting in with that... Nov 30 21:59:53 feitingen, you are not bursting in ;] Nov 30 22:00:20 where is rasterman, I haven't seen him around for days Nov 30 22:00:33 wanted to ask him about his keyboard... Nov 30 22:00:38 he was around yesterday i think.. Nov 30 22:00:47 quickdev: already commited your changes? Nov 30 22:00:50 mhm maybe i wasn't around then :/ Nov 30 22:00:56 feitingen, he was. Nov 30 22:01:05 well I'm off, night. Nov 30 22:01:12 n8 Nov 30 22:01:17 night Nov 30 22:01:33 Ainulindale: and already looked at http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/libframeworkd-phonegui Nov 30 22:04:55 dolf1074: Sorry but no, I have a headache, it's been 4 hours already, I'm quite exhausted Nov 30 22:05:10 dolf1074: I had a look at a random shot and it seems logical to me, I'll give you my full comments tomorrow Nov 30 22:05:11 Ainulindale: okay no prob, take a good sleep ;) Nov 30 22:05:21 Yes that's what I was going to do Nov 30 22:05:29 Expect my comments tomorrow, then Nov 30 22:05:31 See you Nov 30 22:05:34 bye Nov 30 22:11:18 dolf1074, not yet, sorry. But things are almost ready. Nov 30 22:11:25 okay Nov 30 22:11:59 I will then not bother you ;) Nov 30 22:16:48 quickdev, what's cookin' ? Nov 30 22:16:58 Dave, Eggs, he detonated his F Nov 30 22:16:59 FR Nov 30 22:17:10 and is using the fire it caused to cook eggs. Nov 30 22:17:40 productive :) Nov 30 22:22:26 Dave, some new phonestack apps Nov 30 22:22:42 aha Nov 30 22:28:07 What's the best way to record GPS data? Nov 30 22:28:25 * von_fritz search shr-autorev.inc Nov 30 22:30:01 Sargun, other than cat'ing /dev/ttySAC1? Tango does a fine job. Nov 30 22:30:11 then you can gps-fake it later Nov 30 22:30:14 Dave: tango is horrible Nov 30 22:30:18 Dave: eats 20% cpu time all the time Nov 30 22:30:20 wants X Nov 30 22:30:27 Sargun: echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd Nov 30 22:30:35 Sargun: echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd > gps.log Nov 30 22:30:38 hehe. Nov 30 22:30:47 that's ghetto. Nov 30 22:30:55 anyways, I'm using FSO/Gypsy. Nov 30 22:31:01 Sargun: fso-gpsd Nov 30 22:33:49 yeah Nov 30 22:34:08 lindi :) Nov 30 22:34:23 Sargun: but i don't know if it supports rw command Nov 30 22:34:59 oh, fso-gpsd? Nov 30 22:35:08 yes Nov 30 22:35:34 i use real gpsd so that i can have a manual page that describes the protocol Nov 30 22:35:56 :) Nov 30 22:36:09 Now, if only the wireless would stop dying after an unspecified period of time Nov 30 22:37:31 Dave: it seems to work in stable-tracking Nov 30 22:37:56 ping was running for 10 hours Nov 30 22:38:09 it cannot run for 24hr so far for me Nov 30 22:38:15 ah, but can it move data for 10 hours? Nov 30 22:38:15 or even twelve for that matter Nov 30 22:38:23 mwester, exactly Nov 30 22:38:32 Also USB networking in all the shr for me seems to be fucked up Nov 30 22:38:34 ping is an ICMP message, and a short one at that Nov 30 22:38:49 it similarly and inexplicably drops after an unspecified period of inactivity. Nov 30 22:38:58 and never comes back Nov 30 22:39:11 What does your debug board say? Nov 30 22:39:26 Who me? Nov 30 22:39:30 yep Nov 30 22:39:58 Regrettably, I don't have one at hand :( Nov 30 22:40:06 Why, would I need it? Nov 30 22:40:13 of course. Nov 30 22:40:29 how else can you get access to login to the phone when networking goes awol? Nov 30 22:40:58 good point. Nov 30 22:41:31 usb networking fails after a certain (random) amount of time? Nov 30 22:41:41 How often is FSO .deb packaged? Nov 30 22:42:08 Oh, and Mwester, apparently [and perhaps unsurprisingly] using packages built in early 2007 (for openmoko, possibly even gta01), don't work well for the current system :p Nov 30 22:42:24 no kidding... oabi vs eabi! Nov 30 22:43:06 rut roh? Nov 30 22:43:17 Sargun: $ zgrep "^ --" /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/changelog.Debian.gz |cut -d'>' -f2|tr '\n' ' ' Nov 30 22:43:20 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:26:47 +0100 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:08:31 +0100 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:00:15 +0100 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:56 +0100 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:52:38 +0100 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:48:20 +0200 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:12:44 +0200 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:40:02 +0200 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:48:53 +0200 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:48:24 +0200 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:31:17 +0200 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:48:58 +0200 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:57:54 +0200 Nov 30 22:43:29 You could make it work on the gta01 if you did the same trick as with the gllin package. but oabi is disabled entirely on the gta02 in recent kernels. Nov 30 22:43:42 I hate GUIs. Nov 30 22:44:00 Now now, calm yourself, Sargun Jones. Nov 30 22:44:13 They won't bite ;p Nov 30 22:44:13 Sargun, Ow and what do you use to work on a computer? Nov 30 22:44:24 screen? ;p Nov 30 22:44:26 I use a GUI to use more terminals ;) Nov 30 22:44:33 * Dave looks for a high-five Nov 30 22:44:38 8 toggle switches and 8 red LEDs!!! Nov 30 22:44:41 * kenrem high-fives Dave Nov 30 22:44:43 * kenrem like Nov 30 22:44:57 mwester-laptop: ow yeah, that's easier to work with ;) Nov 30 22:45:14 D8 A9 00 Nov 30 22:45:30 that's easy Nov 30 22:51:51 dolf1074, I hate writing GUIs. Nov 30 22:51:59 I don't mind using them. Nov 30 22:52:03 Sargun: ah so Nov 30 22:52:19 I like my terminal though Nov 30 22:52:23 I almost though you were a weirdo :p Nov 30 22:52:51 haw Nov 30 22:54:47 haha Nov 30 22:56:39 Doesn't discount that fact though ;) Nov 30 22:58:14 Could anyone help me compile a working shr image? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 01 02:59:58 2008