**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 03 02:59:57 2008
Dec 03 03:23:17 <Sargun> hi
Dec 03 03:27:28 <lewis> yo
Dec 03 03:27:38 <lewis> I Installed 1130 testing image
Dec 03 03:27:48 <lewis> sometimes when it is in suspend and rings the screen still in black
Dec 03 03:27:57 <lewis> and I am not able to answer
Dec 03 03:28:13 <lewis> just to report
Dec 03 03:28:32 <lewis> thank you
Dec 03 03:28:45 <Grarg> have you filed a bug report?
Dec 03 03:28:53 <lewis> nope, how?
Dec 03 03:29:15 <Grarg> I think this is the correct page
Dec 03 03:29:16 <Grarg> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/newticket
Dec 03 03:29:25 <lewis> thanks
Dec 03 03:29:34 <Grarg> np
Dec 03 03:32:36 <Dave> :)
Dec 03 03:32:41 <lewis> done :)
Dec 03 03:32:59 <Dave> Grarg!
Dec 03 03:33:19 <Grarg> Dave! (?)
Dec 03 03:34:29 <Grarg> My next question after I got SHR to build an image, was to see if anyone had any suggestions of something on that list I could attack
Dec 03 03:34:30 <Dave> heehee
Dec 03 03:34:34 <Dave> I know you :p
Dec 03 03:36:17 <Grarg> hmm
Dec 03 05:13:48 <Sargun> PaulFertser.
Dec 03 07:34:08 <gurugentoo> how do you bring up the shutdown menu in the current shr?
Dec 03 07:34:46 <gurugentoo> I had it pop up randomly and I don't know what I did
Dec 03 07:51:02 <mrmoku> gurugentoo: if you're in the home screen - tap on the illume bar and then on the X
Dec 03 07:53:02 <mani|work> hi there, i try to compile openmoko makefile with SUSE 11.0, but at opkg i got this error: http://pastebin.ca/1274711
Dec 03 07:58:50 <gurugentoo> mrmoku: ah! that was not obvious
Dec 03 08:26:20 <richy> good morning
Dec 03 08:30:00 <gurugentoo> any recommendations for a mail reader? (with a usable GUI other than the terminal)
Dec 03 09:26:18 <kd8ikt> darn i was gonna say mutt ;)
Dec 03 09:28:58 <CM_work> gmail?
Dec 03 10:03:56 <Ainulindale> Grarg: the diff is there because it is applied on openembedded and not SHR
Dec 03 10:26:19 <richy> Ainulindale: thanks for enna. The Theming doesn't work for the freerunner though. I'm trying to unterstand the edj-file to adjust it to the small display
Dec 03 10:27:08 <richy> but not now, got to go
Dec 03 10:44:04 <vishalbhoj> does anyone know which url for google maps on tangogps. i tried the one given on site it did not work ?
Dec 03 11:13:57 <kd8ikt> slowday
Dec 03 11:14:27 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS
Dec 03 11:14:31 <kd8ikt> at the bottom
Dec 03 11:14:45 <kd8ikt> only the streetmap one works for me
Dec 03 12:28:21 <mani|work> i found in the wiki for bugs i should write to rwhitby, but he doesn't answer, is it a bot, if not, does someone know when he normal is online?
Dec 03 12:28:53 <methril> morning
Dec 03 12:49:49 <rwhitby> mani|work: is it a MokoMakefile bug, or is it a bug in the OpenMoko OE recipes?
Dec 03 12:51:14 <rwhitby> mani|work: http://pastebin.ca/1274743 shows a bug in the opkg-native recipe - you should report it on the openmoko Trac.
Dec 03 13:07:33 <mani|work> rwhitby: okay, i will report it, thank you :) (but i'm still wondering about this bug, the header with the declaration of the function is included at the top)
Dec 03 13:20:03 <mato> hi all
Dec 03 13:20:25 <mato> any OE expert here who can help me with patching evas to build on debian etch x86_64?
Dec 03 13:20:52 <mato> i have a fix, just need to figure out the magic incantations to get it into my fso-unstable tree
Dec 03 13:21:13 <Ainulindale> well, patch -px or git apply =)
Dec 03 13:22:15 <mato> sorry, i've not used OE before at all, i can see that e.g. the glibc bb files have a SRC_URI with a .tar.gz and bunch of patches
Dec 03 13:22:23 <mato> but i can't figure out how this is done for evas-native
Dec 03 13:22:40 <Ainulindale> it inherits e
Dec 03 13:22:45 <Ainulindale> so it's in classes/e.bbclass
Dec 03 13:23:00 <Ainulindale> What do you want to do exactyl?
Dec 03 13:23:04 <Ainulindale> s/yl/ly/
Dec 03 13:23:18 <Ainulindale> There should be a e package for debian anyway, IIRC
Dec 03 13:23:30 <mato> see here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/151
Dec 03 13:24:20 <mato> at the very least I need to add #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 600 before including pthread.h in evas_pipe.c
Dec 03 13:24:21 <Ainulindale> Well if you try to build a version without even knowing if it's stable, that's what you're going to get
Dec 03 13:24:57 <Ainulindale> On SHR we use rev 37812
Dec 03 13:24:58 <mato> this is not an evas problem as such, it's etch not exporting pthread_barrier_t
Dec 03 13:24:59 <Ainulindale> Which is stable
Dec 03 13:25:11 <Ainulindale> Then this has nothing to do with OE, to me
Dec 03 13:25:37 <Ainulindale> If you truly want to patch it nonetheless
Dec 03 13:25:37 <mato> well technically it's a upstream (e) problem
Dec 03 13:25:50 <Ainulindale> Put the patch in the evas subdir
Dec 03 13:25:59 <Ainulindale> (subdir relative to the working dir where the bb file is)
Dec 03 13:26:02 <mato> yup
Dec 03 13:26:17 <Ainulindale> and add SRC_URI+="file://yourpatch.patch;patch=pnum" to the bbfile
Dec 03 13:26:23 <Ainulindale> pnum being the X in patch -pX
Dec 03 13:26:29 <mato> thx, i'll do that
Dec 03 13:26:35 <mato> in the mean time the e guys may fix it
Dec 03 13:26:52 <mato> if you read my comments in the ticket it happens with latest trunk on debian etch also...
Dec 03 13:27:02 <Ainulindale> Well, it builds fine here
Dec 03 13:27:08 <mato> on Debian etch?
Dec 03 13:27:10 <Ainulindale> And I don't like debian anyway
Dec 03 13:27:15 <Ainulindale> So bad distro, change distro =)
Dec 03 13:28:07 <mato> distrowars are OT, will add the patch to my OE tree, thx
Dec 03 13:28:24 <Ainulindale> I was not trying to do a distrowar, just trolling =)
Dec 03 13:28:34 <mato> :)
Dec 03 13:28:37 <Ainulindale> Though as told
Dec 03 13:28:47 <Ainulindale> It builds fine here, my bet is your SRCREV is wrong
Dec 03 13:29:30 <Ainulindale> On gentoo and on sid
Dec 03 13:35:54 <mato> well, i can't get a trivial test program using pthread_barrier_t to build on etch unless i define _XOPEN_SOURCE=600
Dec 03 13:56:44 <Ainulindale> Anyone here has an account on SHR trac?
Dec 03 13:59:58 <Hire> me not :)
Dec 03 14:00:18 <Ainulindale> Well, could you try something for me?
Dec 03 14:00:40 <Hire> sure :D
Dec 03 14:00:52 <Ainulindale> Register and tell me if you can create a ticket
Dec 03 14:01:00 <Ainulindale> I removed the anonymous ticket creation permission
Dec 03 14:01:07 <Ainulindale> I was bored with anonymous reports
Dec 03 14:01:12 <Ainulindale> At least that way I can mail the user
Dec 03 14:02:01 <Hire> ok
Dec 03 14:02:03 <Hire> registration works
Dec 03 14:02:14 <Ainulindale> and do you have the "new ticket" feature?
Dec 03 14:02:25 <Hire> yeah
Dec 03 14:02:28 <Ainulindale> ok perfect then
Dec 03 14:02:33 <Ainulindale> Thanks a lot
Dec 03 14:02:37 <Hire> np :)
Dec 03 14:02:45 <Ainulindale> sicu: too late =)
Dec 03 14:02:57 <Ainulindale> sicu: you registered ten seconds after him :-p
Dec 03 14:03:29 <Hire> Ainulindale: however
Dec 03 14:03:44 <Hire> an italian guy, furester, does a nice todo app for SHR
Dec 03 14:04:02 <Hire> it is called FIDO ( furester illume do )
Dec 03 14:04:07 <Ainulindale> todo?
Dec 03 14:04:12 <Ainulindale> Todo as in what?
Dec 03 14:04:12 <Hire> note app :)
Dec 03 14:04:15 <Ainulindale> Oh
Dec 03 14:04:25 <Ainulindale> He did that for SHR or he did that for everyone?
Dec 03 14:04:28 <Ainulindale> (Link?)
Dec 03 14:04:36 <Hire> he did for everyone
Dec 03 14:04:43 <Ainulindale> (fido is a dog name in France)
Dec 03 14:05:08 <Hire> the same is in italy :D
Dec 03 14:05:17 <Hire> it is a tricky name
Dec 03 14:05:26 <Hire> http://xenos.altervista.org/files/projects/fido_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Dec 03 14:05:38 <Ainulindale> I won't install an ipk
Dec 03 14:05:40 <Hire> it is in C and evas
Dec 03 14:05:43 <Ainulindale> I want sources, and a bb recipe
Dec 03 14:05:44 <Hire> argh
Dec 03 14:05:52 <Ainulindale> I don't want to bork my phone
Dec 03 14:06:40 <Hire> 1 minutes :D
Dec 03 14:06:44 <sicu> Ainulindale: damn ... i wanted to be first ;p
Dec 03 14:06:52 <Hire> however it is a simple ipk without dep
Dec 03 14:07:20 <Hire> ainulindale: http://xenos.altervista.org/files/projects/fido-0.1.tar.gz
Dec 03 14:07:20 <Dave> SICU
Dec 03 14:07:24 <Ainulindale> Hire: that's the problem
Dec 03 14:07:26 <Ainulindale> Deps are here.
Dec 03 14:07:30 <sicu> Dave! =]
Dec 03 14:07:43 <Ainulindale> Hire: too tired to build a bb recipe for now
Dec 03 14:07:45 <Hire> for a test... it is a simple app :D
Dec 03 14:07:57 <Ainulindale> Seriously guys, learn how to do it
Dec 03 14:07:58 <Ainulindale> It's simple
Dec 03 14:08:06 <Ainulindale> I can't build all the bb recipes you need all by myself
Dec 03 14:08:06 <Hire> yes i know how to do it
Dec 03 14:08:09 <Hire> wait 2 seconds
Dec 03 14:08:21 <Ainulindale> And furthermore it uses autotools
Dec 03 14:08:30 <Ainulindale> It would take approximatively ten seconds to do a bb recipe for that!
Dec 03 14:08:31 * sicu goes to read bb docs
Dec 03 14:08:48 <Dave> :D
Dec 03 14:08:51 <Hire> i know it
Dec 03 14:09:05 <Hire> but i don't do that because i have only the ipk
Dec 03 14:09:24 <Hire> if you wait 2 seconds i will put the bb into pastebin :D
Dec 03 14:09:40 <Ainulindale> You might as well test it and commit it if it works
Dec 03 14:09:54 <Hire> sure :)
Dec 03 14:11:07 <Hire> http://xenos.altervista.org/files/projects/fido_0.1.bb
Dec 03 14:12:27 <Ainulindale> RRECOMMENDS and EXTRA OE are unecessary
Dec 03 14:12:39 <Ainulindale> You told me it used evas, there's no dep on evas
Dec 03 14:12:47 <Ainulindale> The section isn't openmoko/pim
Dec 03 14:13:02 <Ainulindale> the SRC_URI should mention ${PV}
Dec 03 14:13:11 <Ainulindale> the appends/prepends are unecessary
Dec 03 14:13:22 <Ainulindale> And I can't see why you're staging
Dec 03 14:13:25 <Ainulindale> Any question? :-)
Dec 03 14:14:15 <Hire> i see, we had to fix it
Dec 03 14:15:06 <Hire> staging because it needs to automake Makefile
Dec 03 14:15:11 <Hire> it's the only way I found to do that
Dec 03 14:15:25 <Hire> i wrote it with vim and run autotools by hand
Dec 03 14:15:32 <Hire> ( from furester :D )
Dec 03 14:16:06 <Hire> second time i use autotools, i don't have enough knowledge to do it better
Dec 03 14:18:42 <fer> hi all1
Dec 03 14:19:16 <fer> Ainulindale: Hire is boring you with my little todo\notes manager?
Dec 03 14:19:54 <Hire> fer and furester is the same person
Dec 03 14:20:05 <Ainulindale> fer: he's not boring me :-)
Dec 03 14:20:51 <Dave> :)
Dec 03 14:21:17 <fer> great!
Dec 03 14:21:32 <Ainulindale> So, fer, two questions
Dec 03 14:21:34 <fer> i'm telling him that this is my first attempt with bitbake
Dec 03 14:21:35 <Ainulindale> Do you need binconfig?
Dec 03 14:21:42 <Ainulindale> Do you need to stage your headers?
Dec 03 14:22:17 <fer> two answer in one: yes :)
Dec 03 14:22:46 <Ainulindale> Why do you need to stage your headers?
Dec 03 14:22:50 <Ainulindale> And why do you need binconfig?
Dec 03 14:23:10 <Ainulindale> main.o: In function `my_entry_bt_1':
Dec 03 14:23:10 <Ainulindale> main.c:(.text+0x198): undefined reference to `elm_entry_select_all'
Dec 03 14:23:21 <Ainulindale> Bad, bad fer.
Dec 03 14:23:26 <Ainulindale> Let's spank you
Dec 03 14:23:57 <fer> mmh .. where you get that error?
Dec 03 14:24:18 <Ainulindale> Compilation.
Dec 03 14:24:29 <fer> wow
Dec 03 14:24:39 <fer> elm_* come from elementary
Dec 03 14:24:56 <fer> and in bb i mention elementary dep
Dec 03 14:25:13 <Ainulindale> Which revision are you using?
Dec 03 14:26:03 <fer> the latest..i suppose
Dec 03 14:26:20 <fer> i'll control it right now
Dec 03 14:26:38 <fer> latest because i run update quite every day
Dec 03 14:26:56 <Ainulindale> Well then it won't work
Dec 03 14:27:01 <Ainulindale> We're using rev 37812
Dec 03 14:27:20 <fer> ach .. 37837
Dec 03 14:28:11 <Ainulindale> You simply can't do that, sorry to tell you =)
Dec 03 14:28:21 <Ainulindale> You should follow stable versions
Dec 03 14:28:42 <Ainulindale> Even in SHR, 37812 isn't stable
Dec 03 14:28:43 <fer> oks
Dec 03 14:28:49 <Ainulindale> But let me update my rev locally
Dec 03 14:28:54 <Ainulindale> I'll tell you if it works with ours
Dec 03 14:29:11 <Ainulindale> Though you didn't ansswer me about that
Dec 03 14:29:15 <Ainulindale> 15:22:47 < Ainulindale> Why do you need to stage your headers?
Dec 03 14:29:15 <Ainulindale> 15:22:50 < Ainulindale> And why do you need binconfig?
Dec 03 14:29:44 <fer> sorry, i'm thinking about compilation error
Dec 03 14:30:28 <fer> and studying deep about binconfig it seems useless for me
Dec 03 14:30:39 <Ainulindale> WEll if you don't know what you put it there
Dec 03 14:30:40 <Ainulindale> It's useless
Dec 03 14:30:46 <Ainulindale> And do you really need to stage your headers?
Dec 03 14:30:52 <Ainulindale> Will your headers be useful for anyone?
Dec 03 14:31:22 <Ainulindale> Ok, here it seems my elm rev wasn't up to date, will retry fer 
Dec 03 14:31:30 <fer> no, only for this prog
Dec 03 14:31:49 <Ainulindale> Then you don't need to stage your headers
Dec 03 14:32:09 <fer> ya :$
Dec 03 14:32:10 <Ainulindale> Staging your headers is useful when another software needs to include them for instance
Dec 03 14:32:14 <Ainulindale> fer: then look at that
Dec 03 14:32:44 <Ainulindale> http://pastebin.com/m31deff44
Dec 03 14:32:49 <Ainulindale> That's your recipe. Clean. :-)
Dec 03 14:32:52 <fer> Ainulindale: if the only problem with sources is *_select_all we can put it out
Dec 03 14:33:18 <Ainulindale> It worked with 37812 it seems
Dec 03 14:33:52 <fer> why evas?
Dec 03 14:34:00 <fer> thanks!
Dec 03 14:34:00 <Ainulindale> Because you use it.
Dec 03 14:34:27 <Ainulindale> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(DEPS, elementary evas ecore)
Dec 03 14:34:38 <fer> isn't a dep of elementary in first instance?
Dec 03 14:34:49 <Ainulindale> No idea, hence I added it.
Dec 03 14:34:57 <fer> ok :)
Dec 03 14:35:07 <Ainulindale> My bb file is commited in SHR
Dec 03 14:35:11 <Ainulindale> Currently building it on the buildhost
Dec 03 14:35:47 <fer> great!
Dec 03 14:36:55 <fer> i correct my bb too
Dec 03 14:38:06 <mani|work> if tick is in this channel, he can write me for information about ticket #2155
Dec 03 14:39:26 <Ainulindale> fer: package is here
Dec 03 14:39:42 <fer> good :$
Dec 03 14:39:58 <Ainulindale> I will tell you how many times it segfaults :-)
Dec 03 14:40:16 <Ainulindale> oooh nice icon
Dec 03 14:40:25 <fer> i hope never .. but who can say?
Dec 03 14:40:27 <Ainulindale> Hmpf
Dec 03 14:40:29 <Ainulindale> Italian
Dec 03 14:40:35 <fer> icons is come from Hire naturally
Dec 03 14:40:47 <fer> doh! where?
Dec 03 14:41:06 <Ainulindale> "inserire qui la "...
Dec 03 14:41:20 <Ainulindale> And it's impossible to delete the text by selecting it
Dec 03 14:41:28 <fer> correct! i forgot it
Dec 03 14:42:55 <fer> i can correct easily, there's no gettext right now
Dec 03 14:43:05 <Ainulindale> What is the backend for the notes?
Dec 03 14:44:02 <fer> a bad csv file 
Dec 03 14:44:07 <Ainulindale> Yuk
Dec 03 14:44:13 <Ainulindale> You should use sqlite or things like that
Dec 03 14:44:14 <fer> stored in ~/.fido
Dec 03 14:44:32 <fer> I know
Dec 03 14:44:44 <fer> but i'm still waiting to understand how opimd will work
Dec 03 14:44:59 <fer> because in the page of de wiki
Dec 03 14:45:11 <fer> it mention also todo\task lists
Dec 03 14:45:11 <Ainulindale> Well if you wait for opimd
Dec 03 14:45:15 <Ainulindale> You'll wait for a long time
Dec 03 14:45:17 <Ainulindale> And anyway
Dec 03 14:45:22 <Ainulindale> it'll use dbus services
Dec 03 14:45:29 <Ainulindale> which we'll abstract in libframeworkd-glib 
Dec 03 14:45:37 <Ainulindale> so if you have a method to write a task somewhere
Dec 03 14:45:46 <Ainulindale> you'll be able to easily replace it with a call to libframeworkd-glib 
Dec 03 14:46:02 <fer> this is my idea
Dec 03 14:46:22 <fer> i have the method and i wrote the most easy thing to store data
Dec 03 14:46:40 <fer> but i can use sqlite in the meanwhile
Dec 03 14:46:59 <Ainulindale> sqlite is easier than CSV V:-)
Dec 03 14:47:57 <fer> thought .. my first idea was an XML file
Dec 03 14:48:22 <Ainulindale> This implies developing a grammar and such
Dec 03 14:48:30 <Ainulindale> For stuff which will be mostly doing the same thing as a database
Dec 03 14:48:38 <Ainulindale> You might as well use sqlite for that
Dec 03 14:48:45 <Ainulindale> XML isn't a good solution for this kind of stuff IMHO
Dec 03 14:50:08 <fer> for such a simple program XML i a too eavy solution
Dec 03 14:50:28 <fer> but there are times that i think XML is the solution for every world problem
Dec 03 14:50:43 <Ainulindale> I can only disagree.
Dec 03 14:50:58 <Ainulindale> XML has been far too many times considered as a grail
Dec 03 14:51:00 <Ainulindale> It isn't
Dec 03 14:52:29 <fer> i noticed using it, but i found also it is very "free"
Dec 03 14:53:34 <fer> you can use XML in a wide range of applications
Dec 03 14:53:41 <Ainulindale> To me, XML is only necessary for some exchanges (our some specific version such as SAML or SPML), or for configuration
Dec 03 14:53:45 <Ainulindale> In your case, it's storage
Dec 03 14:53:56 <Ainulindale> Storage = database in my dictionnary :-)
Dec 03 14:54:19 <fer> or a temp CSV file ;)
Dec 03 14:54:27 <Ainulindale> That might be considered as a database
Dec 03 14:54:47 <Ainulindale> But it needs really heavy processing
Dec 03 14:54:52 <Ainulindale> And that's not a good thing IMHO
Dec 03 14:54:56 <fer> so asap i'll use a real database
Dec 03 14:56:14 <fer> 'cause i noticed a lot of problems with the csv i'm using
Dec 03 14:56:41 <Ainulindale> There will be problem inevitably
Dec 03 14:57:32 <mato> Ainulindale: quick question, I have made my patch to evas, but it's to configure.ac (long story ...), anyhow, if I do "make fso-unstable-image" it doesn't redo the autoconf for the evas-native task, how do I tell it to do that?
Dec 03 14:57:32 <Ainulindale> Heh
Dec 03 14:57:35 <Ainulindale> I made your software bork
Dec 03 14:57:44 <Ainulindale> mato: bitbake -c clean evas
Dec 03 14:57:49 <Ainulindale> Then remake
Dec 03 14:58:02 <Ainulindale> (evas or whatever the package is called)
Dec 03 14:58:21 <Ainulindale> fer: 
Dec 03 14:58:22 <Ainulindale> rtesfesg,fghht,Wed Dec  3 15:57:54 2008,logo_small,Inserire qui la propria nota<br>,
Dec 03 14:58:27 <Ainulindale> And that's why you don't want to use CSV
Dec 03 14:58:43 <Ainulindale> My note now says "logo_small" =)
Dec 03 14:58:53 <Ainulindale> with a date equal to fghht
Dec 03 14:59:04 <Ainulindale> Which may be a date spelled by C'thulhu
Dec 03 14:59:11 <Ainulindale> But I can't read it properly :-)
Dec 03 14:59:44 <fer> mmh, so you have a comma in your date .. 
Dec 03 14:59:53 <Ainulindale> A comma in my note
Dec 03 15:00:11 <Ainulindale> And I couldn't figure out a way to edit the content of the note
Dec 03 15:00:20 <Ainulindale> And the title itself shows scrollbar sometimes
Dec 03 15:00:28 <Hire> Ainulindale: c'thu'lhu
Dec 03 15:00:33 <Hire> :D
Dec 03 15:01:44 <fer> mmh .. i can parse note text before entering it, but it's easyer use sqlite without any sort of doubts
Dec 03 15:01:57 <Ainulindale> Yep =)
Dec 03 15:02:09 <fer> i don't stress the code enought
Dec 03 15:03:48 <fer> i'll go to code!
Dec 03 15:04:48 <fer> sqlite version 3 is ok?
Dec 03 15:05:36 <Hire> no
Dec 03 15:05:52 <Hire> you have to build the lastest snapshot
Dec 03 15:06:14 <Hire> ( i am kidding :D )
Dec 03 15:07:11 <mato> Ainulindale: yay, it's all building now, thanks a lot!
Dec 03 15:08:39 <Ainulindale> you're wecome
Dec 03 15:08:40 <Ainulindale> +l
Dec 03 15:16:43 <Dave> The masses demand more code!
Dec 03 15:25:07 * Zorkman gets his pitchfork :)
Dec 03 15:28:56 <Ainulindale> Aaaah.
Dec 03 15:29:04 <Ainulindale> I managed to do what I want with the SHR bb recipes.
Dec 03 15:29:53 <Ainulindale> And it works.
Dec 03 15:29:59 <Ainulindale> Now I just have to do a bunch of resetting.
Dec 03 15:39:12 <quickdev> Hey
Dec 03 15:39:20 <quickdev> alphaone, do you have some time? :)
Dec 03 15:39:52 <sicu> argh!!! if the upstairs neighbour doesn't stop pneumatic drilling his floor (my roof) ... i will give him a colonoscopy with said drill before i throw him off the balcony
Dec 03 15:41:07 <Ainulindale> quickdev: hey
Dec 03 15:41:12 <Ainulindale> I'll commit a big thing on shr-overlay
Dec 03 15:41:15 <Ainulindale> It'll piss you
Dec 03 15:42:45 <quickdev> Ainulindale, why should it piss me?
Dec 03 15:42:55 <Ainulindale> quickdev: check http://shr.bearstech.com/git 
Dec 03 15:43:06 <Ainulindale> "ATTENTION FOLKS!" =)
Dec 03 15:43:21 <Ainulindale> I was pissed with this local/remote thing
Dec 03 15:43:35 <Ainulindale> Ah damn I uploaded it as local
Dec 03 15:45:02 <Ainulindale> Ah it borks on libhito and such. Will modify them too.
Dec 03 15:48:29 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Though this may be useful. 
Dec 03 15:48:31 <Ainulindale> =t
Dec 03 15:48:32 <Ainulindale> +t
Dec 03 15:48:41 <quickdev> yeah, thanks
Dec 03 15:48:58 <Ainulindale> I had a little look at your sources
Dec 03 15:49:07 <Ainulindale> ANother bad thing I noticed
Dec 03 15:49:10 <Ainulindale> Your static prototypes
Dec 03 15:49:21 <quickdev> why is it bad?
Dec 03 15:49:24 <Ainulindale> It's weird seeing them here
Dec 03 15:49:34 <Ainulindale> (in contact edit view)
Dec 03 15:50:48 <Ainulindale> quickdev: by the way don't know if you looked at the diff
Dec 03 15:50:56 <Ainulindale> I changed every bb recipe to remove the OM related stuff
Dec 03 15:51:02 <Ainulindale> It bored me
Dec 03 15:51:44 <quickdev> yeah
Dec 03 15:52:19 <Ainulindale> Ok, everything is good now
Dec 03 15:52:48 <Ainulindale> mickey|flu|zzZZz: you might be interested in my solution, don't know if you have a better one
Dec 03 15:59:47 <fer> i'll go home. see you this evening!
Dec 03 16:10:17 <Hire> bricode?
Dec 03 16:10:30 <Hire> argh he isn't here ..
Dec 03 16:14:53 <bumbl> the echo is back
Dec 03 16:14:53 <bumbl> the echo is back
Dec 03 16:15:03 <bumbl> what log should I poste
Dec 03 16:15:10 <bumbl> -e
Dec 03 16:15:22 <bumbl> does it help to post logs?
Dec 03 16:15:42 <Dave> rut roh
Dec 03 16:17:49 <Hire> hi chan
Dec 03 16:17:51 <Hire> hi chan
Dec 03 16:18:25 * Hire is building android for fun
Dec 03 16:20:25 * bumbl wonders why the echo is back
Dec 03 16:20:26 * bumbl wonders why the echo is back
Dec 03 16:26:14 * mrmoku_ wonders what fun it is to build android
Dec 03 16:29:03 <bumbl> mrmoku_: any progress with new images?
Dec 03 16:29:36 <Hire> mrmoku_: ehhh
Dec 03 16:29:47 <mrmoku_> heh, I checked this morning and it stopped with an error at python-etk
Dec 03 16:29:50 <Hire> now i get another problem 
Dec 03 16:29:55 <mrmoku_> still busy with day job though :(
Dec 03 16:30:08 <Hire> http://pastebin.com/m676a30d4
Dec 03 16:31:10 <Ainulindale> alphaone?
Dec 03 16:31:18 <Ainulindale> or mickey|flu|zzZZz 
Dec 03 16:32:48 <mato> Ainulindale: can I bug you with one more OE question?
Dec 03 16:32:53 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Dec 03 16:33:46 <mato> say I wanted to trim down the fso-unstable image to a minimalist image that just boots into Illume+Zhone
Dec 03 16:34:11 <mato> where can I find the "master list" of packages that bitbake decides need to go into the image?
Dec 03 16:34:16 <mato> i.e. the root of the dependency tree
Dec 03 16:34:48 <Ainulindale> packages/images/nameoftheimage.bb
Dec 03 16:35:11 <mato> aha
Dec 03 16:35:13 <mato> thx
Dec 03 16:35:18 <Ainulindale> Dolby
Dec 03 16:43:09 <sicu> ;p
Dec 03 16:43:33 <mrmoku_> Ainulindale: my build failed at python-etk... shall I update and retry with your current changes?
Dec 03 16:43:52 <Ainulindale> no
Dec 03 16:43:54 <Ainulindale> bitbake eina
Dec 03 16:43:57 <Ainulindale> bitbake -c clean python-etk
Dec 03 16:43:59 <Ainulindale> bitbake pythony-etk
Dec 03 16:44:02 <Ainulindale> -y
Dec 03 16:44:13 <mrmoku_> ahh, thanks
Dec 03 16:57:36 * Ainulindale is listening to punk loudly at his office
Dec 03 16:57:39 <Ainulindale> I'm pissed today
Dec 03 16:59:13 <mrmoku_> uhh, maybe you should listen to some french chanson instead - to calm down ;)
Dec 03 16:59:43 <Ainulindale> Currently listening to "Idiots are Taking Over" (NOFX)
Dec 03 17:00:12 <mrmoku_> sad but true title
Dec 03 17:00:47 <bumbl> Ainulindale: am I allowed to dare to ask why you are pissed?
Dec 03 17:01:09 <bumbl> anyway: "Idiots are Taking Over" <- they have already taken over :(
Dec 03 17:01:34 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r67bdfbbceb38 10/framework/patterns/daemon.py: fix SIGTERM handler in daemon support code
Dec 03 17:05:25 <Ainulindale> bumbl: well, just like that
Dec 03 17:05:27 <Ainulindale> I'm pissed
Dec 03 17:05:29 <Ainulindale> No specific reason
Dec 03 17:07:19 <bumbl> ah then
Dec 03 17:07:44 <bumbl> have fun listening to punk music in office and enjoy that you are allowed to
Dec 03 17:08:50 <Ainulindale> (I have an he adset)
Dec 03 17:11:40 <BluesLee> hire: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f3544ef2bac43efcf72c1c047fe696be.png
Dec 03 17:14:20 <Ainulindale> BluesLee...
Dec 03 17:14:23 <Ainulindale> C...c...colors...
Dec 03 17:14:40 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: there's a shutdown menu now
Dec 03 17:15:23 <Sargun> Where do the Zhone sources live?
Dec 03 17:15:28 <bumbl> hmm a psp like theme would be nice
Dec 03 17:15:34 <lindi-> Sargun: git.freesmartphone.org
Dec 03 17:15:42 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i know
Dec 03 17:15:55 <bumbl> (icons white, decent background)
Dec 03 17:16:00 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i like the bg of that screenshot
Dec 03 17:16:04 <Sargun> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=summary < this?
Dec 03 17:16:18 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: the tree is fantastic
Dec 03 17:17:08 <Sargun> It's one file?!
Dec 03 17:19:31 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: the shutdown from the menu does not work sometimes ...
Dec 03 17:20:43 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: and the gsm status applet
Dec 03 17:21:05 <lindi-> Sargun: yes
Dec 03 17:26:10 <Sargun> I'm conflicted, how could so little code do so much?
Dec 03 17:27:22 <bumbl> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=tree <- yep that'S more or less it
Dec 03 17:27:29 <bumbl> some .edc and a bit of python
Dec 03 17:27:37 <bumbl> plus the mighty framework
Dec 03 17:29:03 <Sargun> bumbl, That's so odd.
Dec 03 17:29:33 <lindi-> Sargun: it's just UI
Dec 03 17:29:36 <Sargun> the EDC stuff is weird.
Dec 03 17:29:55 <Sargun> lindi-, I've written UIs before, and they've been far less complex than Zhone
Dec 03 17:30:08 <Sargun> and they were at least a dozen files.
Dec 03 17:31:02 <quickdev> Sargun, you have the freedom to split it up if you want ;)
Dec 03 17:31:06 <Sargun> heh
Dec 03 17:31:17 <Sargun> Ok, nevermind, the EDC files define the layout
Dec 03 17:31:25 <Sargun> that's where a majority of the crap went.
Dec 03 17:31:42 <bumbl> yep
Dec 03 17:32:18 <bumbl> i like and dislike edc at the same time
Dec 03 17:33:14 <Sargun> it's definitely not the prettiest thing ever.
Dec 03 17:52:20 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: did you made any test with the newest 2.6.28 kernel?
Dec 03 17:53:15 <Ainulindale> No
Dec 03 17:53:58 <BluesLee> i will give it a try at the weekend
Dec 03 17:56:16 <mrmoku_> BluesLee: sorry, you were gone too fast yesterday :)
Dec 03 17:56:56 <BluesLee> hehe
Dec 03 17:57:13 <bumbl> hi bricode 
Dec 03 17:57:18 <mrmoku_> suspend/resume is supposed to work quite nice in stable-tracking
Dec 03 17:57:26 <bricode> Howdy bumbl
Dec 03 17:57:33 <mrmoku_> and for me it does - just that WSoD is not gone and so I don't suspend
Dec 03 17:58:00 <BluesLee> mrmoku_: you suffer from wsod ...
Dec 03 17:59:38 <BluesLee> mrmoku_: where can i find stable-tracking?
Dec 03 17:59:40 <mrmoku_> yep, very intensely :(
Dec 03 18:00:00 <mrmoku_> git repo from openmoko
Dec 03 18:00:04 <BluesLee> i only see  uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_2d1d9ec0e2d009d0.bin 
Dec 03 18:00:19 <mrmoku_> yep, that one is from people/andy?
Dec 03 18:00:24 <BluesLee> yes
Dec 03 18:00:36 <mrmoku_> that's the one andy tells people to install, yeah
Dec 03 18:00:47 <BluesLee> will try that
Dec 03 18:08:10 <lindi-> BluesLee: git.openmoko.org has stable-tracking branch inside linux-2.6.git or so
Dec 03 18:08:38 <Ainulindale> bumbl: and now punk without headset
Dec 03 18:08:43 <Ainulindale> (with my boss)
Dec 03 18:09:48 <bumbl> cool
Dec 03 18:09:55 <bumbl> nice boss
Dec 03 18:10:33 <Ainulindale> (we play music and play board games)
Dec 03 18:14:10 <faltantornillos> hi
Dec 03 18:14:17 <faltantornillos> I'm developping an app that uses both etk.main() and dbus's mainloop.run() , but they block each other. What can I do? pls
Dec 03 18:14:59 <bumbl> hmm - use only one (might be too easy)
Dec 03 18:18:23 <faltantornillos> yeah, problem is: how to do it without killing the gui thing or the dbus thing
Dec 03 18:19:27 <Ainulindale> faltantornillos: two threads
Dec 03 18:19:35 <Ainulindale> No other solution
Dec 03 18:19:42 <Ainulindale> (That I know about)
Dec 03 18:19:43 <morphis> heyho
Dec 03 18:19:58 <faltantornillos> ouch, yes, I forgot about that XD
Dec 03 18:20:02 <faltantornillos> thx
Dec 03 18:20:04 <Ainulindale> dolby
Dec 03 18:20:25 * mrmoku_ thinks Ainulindale listens too much music ;)
Dec 03 18:20:42 <Ainulindale> dolby? Music?
Dec 03 18:20:46 <Ainulindale> How dare you!
Dec 03 18:20:53 <Ainulindale> (And yes)
Dec 03 18:20:56 <Ainulindale> (I can't work without music)
Dec 03 18:21:04 <morphis> Ainulinda: quickdev ask you about changing the SRCREV of python-evas?
Dec 03 18:21:15 <mrmoku_> yep, music helps focusing
Dec 03 18:21:16 <Ainulindale> I'm usually listening to some Coltrane or Zappa when I'm coding
Dec 03 18:21:19 <quickdev> mrmoku_, yes
Dec 03 18:21:19 <Ainulindale> morphis: can't
Dec 03 18:21:25 <Ainulindale> morphis: I won't change EFL_SRC
Dec 03 18:21:28 <bumbl> hmm /me wouldn't be able to work while listening to punk
Dec 03 18:21:30 <Ainulindale> +REV
Dec 03 18:21:38 <Ainulindale> morphis: because it's highly unstable
Dec 03 18:21:52 * mrmoku_ thinks quickdev should pump up the volume ;)
Dec 03 18:21:53 <Ainulindale> I'll wait for raster to tell me it's ok
Dec 03 18:21:54 <morphis> Ainulinda: I don't mean to change the SRCREV of the whole efl stack, only of python-evas 
Dec 03 18:21:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: pump up the valuum
Dec 03 18:22:05 <Ainulindale> morphis: can't 
Dec 03 18:22:09 <morphis> Ainulinda: ok
Dec 03 18:22:12 <Ainulindale> morphis: Changing a SRCREV means changing everything
Dec 03 18:22:14 <Ainulindale> for e things
Dec 03 18:22:19 <mrmoku_> Ainulindale: you man valium?
Dec 03 18:22:21 <mrmoku_> +e
Dec 03 18:22:27 <Ainulindale> mrmoku_: it was a reference to a NOFX album
Dec 03 18:22:33 <mrmoku_> ahh
Dec 03 18:22:47 <Ainulindale> morphis: let me have a look but as I just told you I think I can't
Dec 03 18:22:49 <morphis> Ainulinda: ok, I will
Dec 03 18:22:54 <morphis> wait
Dec 03 18:23:02 <mrmoku_> because valium definitely is not what quickdev needs :p
Dec 03 18:23:06 <morphis> or I compile it by myself
Dec 03 18:23:17 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Dec 03 18:23:21 <Ainulindale> For python-evas it seems possible
Dec 03 18:23:28 <Ainulindale> Though it'll bork with our efl stack versions
Dec 03 18:23:30 <Ainulindale> (IMHO)
Dec 03 18:23:34 <Ainulindale> Ask raster :-)
Dec 03 18:24:57 <Ainulindale> morphis: I'm not fluent with that so either ask raster or try locally with our tree and our EFL_SRCREV
Dec 03 18:25:06 <Ainulindale> and set in our include file the good revision for python-evas
Dec 03 18:25:10 <Ainulindale> If it works I'll include it
Dec 03 18:25:15 <Ainulindale> I have no time to test that sadly
Dec 03 18:26:06 <Ainulindale> Well, I have to go, see you later
Dec 03 18:26:07 <morphis> Ainulinda: I have another possibility
Dec 03 18:26:29 <Ainulindale> highlight me with that, and I'll tell you if I can later
Dec 03 18:26:32 <Ainulindale> For now I'm away :-)
Dec 03 18:26:36 <morphis> is it ok for you, I make a patch for the stuff I need and you implements only my patch into your oe tree?
Dec 03 18:29:30 <Hire> *sigh*
Dec 03 18:33:02 <bricode> Anyone wanting to build Android?
Dec 03 18:34:06 <bricode> Hire: Saw your post at forum.koolu.org. Android build instructions are at trac.koolu.org
Dec 03 18:34:40 <Hire> bricode: don't worry, I am building it ;)
Dec 03 18:35:20 <Hire> http://pastebin.com/m42c9c872
Dec 03 18:35:23 <bricode> Cool. You can also add a -j command to do a parallel make.
Dec 03 18:35:35 <Hire> that is what I am building right now 
Dec 03 18:35:36 <bumbl> bricode: what was the final desicion for the codec issue?
Dec 03 18:35:40 <Hire> sure, i did it :)
Dec 03 18:35:47 <bricode> Also you can use USE_CCACHE=true to use ccache.
Dec 03 18:36:30 <Hire> i know i know
Dec 03 18:37:58 <bricode> bumbl: We're in the process of tracking down licencing costs and such. A binary image won't be available until one of: a) The codecs are totally removed (a la Sean McNeil's current image),  b) the codecs are licensed or c) someone writes a media library with only free codecs (or removes the ones from the current PacketVideo Opencore.
Dec 03 18:38:29 <Hire> yes i see it
Dec 03 18:38:33 <Hire> damend patent
Dec 03 18:38:47 <bricode> Hire: Did you also download the toolchain located at trac.koolu.org?
Dec 03 18:38:56 <Hire> but i know it is a bit hard to write a media library that supports ogg and kind
Dec 03 18:39:06 <bricode> You'll need it to produce ARMv4 instructions.
Dec 03 18:39:23 <Hire> bricode: i followed the "guide" on source.android
Dec 03 18:39:35 <bumbl> bricode: or d) someone takes the risk and hosts images with included codecs (outside koolu and openmoko of course)
Dec 03 18:39:37 <Hire> but yes, it is the same however :)
Dec 03 18:39:47 <Hire> but I resolved some issue with dep
Dec 03 18:40:00 <Hire> as libz, ncurses, g++multilib and others ..
Dec 03 18:40:19 <bricode> Hire: The Packetvideo stuff already has support for Ogg. It's reworking the code to remove the other codecs.
Dec 03 18:40:27 <Hire> oh
Dec 03 18:40:28 <bricode> Sadly, it's all fairly tightly woven together.
Dec 03 18:40:30 <Hire> oops :)
Dec 03 18:41:08 <bricode> Hire: If you use just the stuff in the prebuilt to build, the image won't work since that toolchain generates ARMv5 specific instructions.
Dec 03 18:41:13 <Hire> bricode: web browser and maps works on Android?
Dec 03 18:41:25 <Hire> i did make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner 
Dec 03 18:41:59 <bricode> bumbl: I can't really comment on that. The other possibility is that it's hosted in a place where said patents don't apply. However, I can't officially condone that.
Dec 03 18:42:11 <bricode> There are no maps installed initially.
Dec 03 18:42:23 <bumbl> bricode: I see
Dec 03 18:42:28 <bricode> Browser should work because I've removed the gears.so which causes issues.
Dec 03 18:42:58 <bricode> bumbl: So, instead we decided to enable people to play with it until all of this stuff is worked out.
Dec 03 18:42:58 <Hire> bricode: gprs doesn't works?
Dec 03 18:43:31 <bricode> Hire: Not sure. I don't have a way to test that. I know that Sean was working on some multiplexing stuff in there.
Dec 03 18:44:25 <Hire> i see
Dec 03 18:50:01 <Hire> bricode
Dec 03 18:50:20 <Hire> i flashed the lastest image of sean with keyboard
Dec 03 18:50:24 <Hire> and i have some issue
Dec 03 18:50:44 <Hire> 1) the keyboard is a bit small
Dec 03 18:50:50 <Hire> 2) web browser crash
Dec 03 18:50:50 <bricode> Okay.
Dec 03 18:51:00 <bricode> Browser doesn't start at all?
Dec 03 18:51:03 <bricode> Or it crashes?
Dec 03 18:51:04 <Hire> no :(
Dec 03 18:51:09 <Hire> doens't start
Dec 03 18:51:27 <bricode> You have to remove the gears.so file. It's causing the crash because it's ARMv5 specific.
Dec 03 18:51:40 <Hire> ah and 3) google maps doesn't exist
Dec 03 18:51:46 <Hire> the rest is pretty good
Dec 03 18:51:56 <bumbl> bricode: how good is the browser?
Dec 03 18:52:20 <bumbl> because at the moment there isn't a good opensource mobile browser
Dec 03 18:52:32 <toggles_w> Hire: suspend?
Dec 03 18:53:45 <Hire> i don't know
Dec 03 18:53:53 <Hire> however the keyboard works and it is cool :D
Dec 03 18:54:08 <Hire> i can accept incoming calls
Dec 03 18:54:13 <Hire> write sms
Dec 03 18:54:20 <bricode> Hire: Google Maps can't be included in the default build because of licensing. 
Dec 03 18:54:24 <Hire> the small issue is a find it a bit small 
Dec 03 18:54:38 <toggles_w> Hire: thx
Dec 03 18:54:51 <bricode> bumbl: I quite like the browser.
Dec 03 18:55:03 <Hire> bricode: oh no :( and we will never see it on FR?
Dec 03 18:55:14 <Hire> or if I can build it 
Dec 03 18:55:22 <bumbl> Hire: google maps sucks anyway
Dec 03 18:55:43 <bricode> You should be able to download it using the browser.
Dec 03 18:55:49 <bricode> It's pretty data intensive.
Dec 03 18:56:04 <bricode> I'd like to see something like Tango be ported to Android so that you can pre-cache maps.
Dec 03 18:56:11 <Hire> bricode: i finished the building http://pastebin.com/m78a15b56
Dec 03 18:56:28 <Hire> but tango it is a simple tile viewer
Dec 03 18:56:38 <Hire> i want something that I can use as navigator 
Dec 03 18:57:08 <bricode> Hire: Okay. To make a flashable image...
Dec 03 18:57:11 <quickdev> Hire, isn't navit usable yet?
Dec 03 18:57:18 <bumbl> quickdev: no
Dec 03 18:57:19 <quickdev> or for android?
Dec 03 18:57:22 <bumbl> it isn't
Dec 03 18:57:25 <Hire> quickdev: i am testing android for bricode
Dec 03 18:57:28 <quickdev> bumbl, what's the problem?
Dec 03 18:57:29 <bricode> There should be a /root and /system in out/target/product/freerunner/ 
Dec 03 18:57:33 <bumbl> slow
Dec 03 18:57:38 <bumbl> uses pulse-audio
Dec 03 18:57:51 <bricode> I use the following script to make a JFFS2 image...
Dec 03 18:57:52 <quickdev> bumbl, get your hands on it :)
Dec 03 18:57:58 <bumbl> :)
Dec 03 18:58:26 <Hire> bricode: android-info.txt  clean_steps.mk  data  obj  ramdisk.img  root  symbols  system  system.img  userdata.img
Dec 03 18:58:29 <Hire> where it is located?
Dec 03 18:58:48 <quickdev> bumbl, as soon as I've time I'll try to fix those two mentioned things
Dec 03 18:59:05 <quickdev> won't be too hard to do
Dec 03 18:59:07 <bricode> mkdir freerunner; cp ./root/* ./freerunner; cp ./system/* ./freerunner/system; mkfs.jffs2 -d freerunner -o freerunner.jffs2 -e 128 KiB
Dec 03 18:59:10 <bumbl> would be cool
Dec 03 18:59:23 <bricode> It's a bit of a hack right now, but will be integrated into the build system shortly.
Dec 03 19:00:13 <bumbl> quickdev: how is your code cleanup going? I heard you wanted to rewrite some parts concerning widget <-> windowmanager
Dec 03 19:00:39 <quickdev> bumbl, it's almost done. Doing the last things right now :)
Dec 03 19:01:19 <bumbl> so we can hope for new images this weekend
Dec 03 19:01:21 <bumbl> perfect
Dec 03 19:01:50 <tifereth> quickdev: could you write an article on how to build the image to the wiki, even if its just quick and dirty
Dec 03 19:01:53 <Hire> bricode: i did it
Dec 03 19:01:59 <Hire> now I will test it :)
Dec 03 19:02:21 <tifereth> so.. this sentence was for you Hire ... :-)
Dec 03 19:02:56 <quickdev> Ainulindale, could you update the build entry in the wiki?
Dec 03 19:02:59 <bricode> Hire: If you used the toolchain contained in Android, don't be surprised it if doesn't work.
Dec 03 19:04:38 <Hire> for me it works
Dec 03 19:11:17 <bricode> Hire: What are your impressions of the build?
Dec 03 19:12:21 <Hire> nothing ..
Dec 03 19:12:30 <Hire> i get the aux blinking
Dec 03 19:12:38 <Hire> a nice blinking red
Dec 03 19:13:16 <bricode> Hire: I thought you said it worked?
Dec 03 19:13:23 <bricode> Which kernel did you install?
Dec 03 19:13:36 <Hire> the sean's kernel
Dec 03 19:13:46 <Hire> i am wrong :(
Dec 03 19:14:25 <Hire> nothing
Dec 03 19:14:39 <Hire> i get the blinking led
Dec 03 19:14:44 <Hire> with a black screen
Dec 03 19:14:51 <Hire> is it a kernel panic?
Dec 03 19:15:01 <mrmoku_> yep :)
Dec 03 19:15:26 <Hire> and why?
Dec 03 19:15:39 <Hire> i used the sean's kernel that works
Dec 03 19:29:28 <quickdev> alphaone, mickey|flu|zzZZz ?
Dec 03 19:35:42 <Hire> bricode: :/
Dec 03 19:35:53 <Hire> se ne è andato..
Dec 03 19:35:53 <Hire> argh
Dec 03 19:35:54 <Hire> ehm
Dec 03 19:36:00 <Hire> he is going away ...
Dec 03 19:36:10 <quickdev> hey stefan_schmidt 
Dec 03 19:36:18 <stefan_schmidt> hi quickdev 
Dec 03 19:37:55 <Hire> hey stefan_schmidt
Dec 03 19:37:59 <Hire> hey stefan_schmidt
Dec 03 19:38:05 <stefan_schmidt> hi Hire 
Dec 03 19:38:12 <Hire> ( italian irony )
Dec 03 19:39:28 <bumbl> so have I read that right: a shift to andy-tracking is evaluated, we get the fastboot patches and some new ui magic concerning the phone apps
Dec 03 19:39:31 <bumbl> perfect
Dec 03 19:40:31 <Hire> and new icons
Dec 03 19:40:39 <Hire> with gsm/wifi/battery signal
Dec 03 19:40:49 <Hire> but sadly I am off for two days
Dec 03 19:40:50 <bumbl> Hire: scap it 
Dec 03 19:40:55 <Hire> 4-5 dic
Dec 03 19:41:04 <Hire> those days I will be to drunk to work :)
Dec 03 19:41:24 <bumbl> hehe
Dec 03 19:41:41 <bumbl> what do you celebrate?
Dec 03 19:42:30 <bumbl> anyway: friday will be nice
Dec 03 19:42:35 <bumbl> maybe sunday too
Dec 03 19:43:28 <mrmoku_> Hire: tutti vanno via prima o poi...
Dec 03 19:43:43 <bumbl> as monday is a feast day which is abused by capitalistc companies to get people to buy their stuff
Dec 03 19:43:52 <Hire> bumbl: nothing :)
Dec 03 19:43:56 <Hire> it is always so :D
Dec 03 19:44:07 <bumbl> Hire: haha
Dec 03 19:44:10 <bumbl> :D
Dec 03 19:44:12 <Hire> mrmoku_: lo parli bene :D
Dec 03 19:44:14 <bumbl> then have fun
Dec 03 19:44:30 <Hire> tomorrow I will commits some changes however
Dec 03 19:46:19 <mrmoku_> Hire: siamo ben misti qua in casa :D
Dec 03 19:46:56 <Hire> mrmoku_: di quale regione italiana è tua moglie?
Dec 03 19:47:13 <mrmoku_> TV
Dec 03 19:47:33 <mrmoku_> vicino di Bassano del Grappa
Dec 03 19:47:46 <tifereth> where to get the build-opkg-sh script?
Dec 03 19:48:00 <Hire> oh I see :)
Dec 03 19:48:10 <Hire> i know Bassano del Grappa
Dec 03 19:48:18 <stefan_schmidt> I know that you italian guys talk about me ;)
Dec 03 19:48:40 <bumbl> ah veneia
Dec 03 19:48:50 <bumbl> *venetia
Dec 03 19:50:18 <mrmoku_> stefan_schmidt: yeah, and only bad stuff ;)
Dec 03 19:50:46 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku_: Sure, there is nothing else to talk. As alphaone if in doubt.
Dec 03 19:50:55 <mrmoku_> hehe
Dec 03 19:51:07 <mrmoku_> Hire: do you know Monte Grappa?
Dec 03 19:51:19 <Hire> sure :D
Dec 03 19:51:27 <Hire> bumbl: venezia 
Dec 03 19:51:28 <Hire> :D
Dec 03 19:53:15 <mrmoku_> Hire: Cavaso del Tomba?
Dec 03 19:53:34 <bumbl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetia_(region) as I am an Austrian I hope you will forgive me my mistake
Dec 03 19:54:15 <mrmoku_> Hire: heh, bumbl is sitting between us ;)
Dec 03 19:54:34 <Hire> bumbl: absolutely not :D
Dec 03 19:54:45 <bumbl> :p
Dec 03 19:54:49 <Hire> mrmoku_: no I don't know it :/
Dec 03 19:57:52 <bumbl> Hire: you have to: we Austrians come to Italy each summer, behave bad, torture the environment and leave some money behind us ;)
Dec 03 20:04:54 <quickdev> Ainulindale, ping
Dec 03 20:52:26 <Sargun> Segmentation fault
Dec 03 20:52:30 <Sargun> Gulp.
Dec 03 20:55:21 <Sargun> python segfaulted.
Dec 03 21:02:25 <quickdev> Is anyone willed to test the latest phone stack UI ?
Dec 03 21:02:51 * mrmoku thinks everybody is exactly waiting for that :D
Dec 03 21:03:27 <Hire> quickdev: me
Dec 03 21:03:28 <Hire> :)
Dec 03 21:03:56 <mrmoku> yeah, wipe away that fancy robot.... eh android ;)
Dec 03 21:04:01 <quickdev> don't expect to much. it contains restructured things. not many new functions, but it's easier now to add new ones
Dec 03 21:04:22 * bumbl raises the hand
Dec 03 21:04:36 <quickdev> opkg install http://shr.bearstech.com/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0_0.0.1+r25-r25.1_armv4t.ipk
Dec 03 21:04:45 <quickdev> is that working for you? or does it say: "Will not downgrade"
Dec 03 21:04:56 <quickdev> try -force-downgrade in that case
Dec 03 21:04:56 <soken> I could test too (if I manage to build a new image :))
Dec 03 21:05:01 <PaulFertser> Sargun: i've seen it once with openmoko-panel-plugin. Unfortunately, core was not dumped. Do you have any clues?
Dec 03 21:05:10 <Sargun> No, I turned on core dumps
Dec 03 21:05:44 <Hire> quickdev: ok
Dec 03 21:05:48 <Sargun> PaulFertser, Do you want me to compile your version of gsm0710muxd?
Dec 03 21:05:52 <Hire> but i have to flash shr on FR
Dec 03 21:07:05 <quickdev> maybe you should better wait for a more stable version, there are some bugs in it...2-3 elementary bugs, too.
Dec 03 21:07:30 <quickdev> neo needs to be restarted after installation
Dec 03 21:08:04 <PaulFertser> Sargun: it would be very nice of you ;)
Dec 03 21:09:09 <PaulFertser> Sargun: what's your compiling environment, btw? I decided to try emdebian today, but it was somewhat complicated, all those debian rules, lintian, etc...
Dec 03 21:11:13 <mrmoku> quickdev: downgrade does not work... removing with -force-depends and installing after that now
Dec 03 21:11:26 <quickdev> mrmoku, ok, too
Dec 03 21:12:14 <mrmoku> quickdev: is two times r25 correct? getting 404...
Dec 03 21:12:48 <quickdev> mrmoku, http://shr.bearstech.com/
Dec 03 21:12:50 <mrmoku> ahh, damn nameserver ;)
Dec 03 21:14:30 <mrmoku> no, damn opkg... wants to get it from _my_ server instead... though I gave it the correct url
Dec 03 21:14:36 <mrmoku> wget and local install worked..
Dec 03 21:15:31 <mrmoku> quickdev: nice :D
Dec 03 21:16:09 <quickdev> does it work?
Dec 03 21:17:43 <mrmoku> shows messages... contacts... dialer comes up
Dec 03 21:18:05 <Hire> cool
Dec 03 21:18:11 <Hire> i am flashing
Dec 03 21:18:25 <Hire> how is it seems?
Dec 03 21:18:35 <quickdev> Hire, there's almost nothing new
Dec 03 21:18:36 <quickdev> not yet
Dec 03 21:18:46 <quickdev> but it's much more flexible now
Dec 03 21:18:46 <Hire> i know :)
Dec 03 21:18:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: the dialer is nice, though the number of my mailbox does not fit ;)
Dec 03 21:19:23 <quickdev> mrmoku, it should work nonetheless.
Dec 03 21:19:27 <quickdev> but there's a ticket for it, yes :)
Dec 03 21:20:21 <mrmoku> quickdev: yeah, but i don't trust my fat fingers ;)
Dec 03 21:21:59 <mrmoku> quickdev: made a first call - works :D
Dec 03 21:24:19 <mrmoku> quickdev: opening the contacts directly crashes... via the dialer it works
Dec 03 21:26:24 <mrmoku> quickdev: writing a sms with more than one line is getting funny ;) scrolls up over the ... chars left title
Dec 03 21:26:35 <quickdev> that's raster's fault
Dec 03 21:26:54 <quickdev> does it crash when clicking continue in "sms recipients", too?
Dec 03 21:27:23 <mrmoku> and sending crashes (which I don't think is rasters fault) ;)
Dec 03 21:27:40 <quickdev> yeah, that's mine :)
Dec 03 21:28:23 <quickdev> mrmoku, thanks for your feedback so far. if you want to use your "old" apps, just type: opkg install libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0
Dec 03 21:28:32 <quickdev> and the standard one will be installed, restart necessary
Dec 03 21:28:54 <quickdev> I'll fix that send message segfault temporarily
Dec 03 21:30:15 <Hire> quickdev
Dec 03 21:30:17 <Hire> i tested it 
Dec 03 21:30:18 <Hire> cool
Dec 03 21:30:19 <Hire> it works
Dec 03 21:30:23 <mrmoku> heh, I got used to _not_ having a working phone ;)
Dec 03 21:32:02 <mrmoku> incoming call is ringing - what do we need more :D
Dec 03 21:32:51 <bumbl> quickdev: 
Dec 03 21:32:56 <bumbl> http://rafb.net/p/l5XAYL65.html
Dec 03 21:33:15 <quickdev> bumbl, -force-reinstall
Dec 03 21:35:42 <bumbl> qu
Dec 03 21:35:46 <bumbl> quickdev: http://rafb.net/p/Lrj6uu63.html
Dec 03 21:35:48 <bumbl> doesn't help
Dec 03 21:36:38 <quickdev> bumbl, opkg remove -force-depends libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0
Dec 03 21:36:47 <quickdev> and then install it ;)
Dec 03 21:36:50 <quickdev> hey mickey|flu|zzZZz 
Dec 03 21:36:56 <quickdev> hey mickey|leipzig 
Dec 03 21:36:57 <stefan_schmidt> yo mickey|leipzig 
Dec 03 21:37:11 <mickey|leipzig> nabend
Dec 03 21:37:35 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: slides ready or just using old ones. :)
Dec 03 21:38:11 <mickey|leipzig> stefan_schmidt: hehe, they're ready since long. had to send them in advance :) (that helps...)
Dec 03 21:38:21 <mickey|leipzig> did some new ones though
Dec 03 21:38:26 <mickey|leipzig> more formal ones
Dec 03 21:38:32 <mickey|leipzig> like... bullet points and stuff
Dec 03 21:39:26 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: I liked the many pictures of your Openexpo presentation better :)
Dec 03 21:39:39 <mickey|leipzig> indeed. me too
Dec 03 21:39:43 <Kensan> Hi everyone btw 
Dec 03 21:39:47 <mickey|leipzig> but this is a more academic conference
Dec 03 21:39:53 <mickey|leipzig> and these guys are into bullet points ...
Dec 03 21:40:00 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: what conf?
Dec 03 21:40:06 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: huh, ready in advance. People really do this? ;)
Dec 03 21:40:07 <mickey|leipzig> softwareforen.de
Dec 03 21:40:11 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: I see your *point*
Dec 03 21:40:17 <mickey|leipzig> stefan_schmidt: yeah, they have proceedings
Dec 03 21:40:19 <bumbl> quickdev: doesn't help
Dec 03 21:40:25 <bumbl> opkg seems to hate me
Dec 03 21:40:31 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: Ah, real academic then :)
Dec 03 21:40:35 <quickdev> bumbl, was it removed successfully?
Dec 03 21:40:44 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: I guess on real paper. Dead trees and such...
Dec 03 21:40:52 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: hi there, how's the ezx mainlining effort?
Dec 03 21:40:52 <mickey|leipzig> today was a presentation of a poor LiMo guy
Dec 03 21:41:00 <mickey|leipzig> he had a hard time with his half open stuff
Dec 03 21:41:01 <mickey|leipzig> :D
Dec 03 21:41:20 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: Good news from the connman front. Got it working on my laptop to the state where I can scan and list available APs
Dec 03 21:41:22 <bumbl> quickdev: yes
Dec 03 21:41:33 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, limo still there?
Dec 03 21:41:40 <mickey|leipzig> stefan_schmidt: ah, glad to hear that. that means we can talk serious progress once we meet next time
Dec 03 21:41:42 * stefan_schmidt thought this is all dead after android
Dec 03 21:41:47 <mickey|leipzig> yeah, limo still there with many members
Dec 03 21:41:50 <quickdev> bumbl, rm /var/lib/opkg/*
Dec 03 21:41:52 <mickey|leipzig> only MOTO left yet
Dec 03 21:41:57 <quickdev> and then opkg install filename
Dec 03 21:42:07 <bumbl> http://rafb.net/p/nqUhaq73.html
Dec 03 21:42:15 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: Hope so, yes. They have some nice python snippets as tests. Using them now to build up stuff for onetworkd
Dec 03 21:42:32 <mickey|leipzig> stefan_schmidt: good
Dec 03 21:42:34 <quickdev> bumbl, try the local file name
Dec 03 21:42:36 <stefan_schmidt> heh, but moto was the one dumping code in :)
Dec 03 21:42:36 <quickdev> not the url
Dec 03 21:42:41 <quickdev> and the RM command
Dec 03 21:43:41 <bumbl> quickdev: did all that
Dec 03 21:43:44 <bumbl> didn't help
Dec 03 21:43:47 <bumbl> anyway 
Dec 03 21:43:51 <bumbl> I am off today
Dec 03 21:43:54 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: wrt conf call. It seems alphaone has no time. Not sure if shoragan will show up. Means we can talk a lot about network this time :)
Dec 03 21:43:56 <bumbl> for today
Dec 03 21:44:07 <quickdev> bumbl, ok..have a good day
Dec 03 21:44:10 <bumbl> i have to get up early tomorrow
Dec 03 21:44:13 <bumbl> good night
Dec 03 21:44:14 <quickdev> thanks anyway ;)
Dec 03 21:44:15 <quickdev> gn8
Dec 03 21:45:37 <mickey|leipzig> stefan_schmidt: excellent :)
Dec 03 21:45:43 <mickey|leipzig> stefan_schmidt: so friday 12:00 ?
Dec 03 21:45:53 <mickey|leipzig> shoragan still moving? *sigh*
Dec 03 21:46:03 * mickey|leipzig wants his team back
Dec 03 21:46:35 <mickey|leipzig> oh btw.
Dec 03 21:46:40 <mickey|leipzig> did you read my blog post?
Dec 03 21:46:50 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: 12:00 sounds good to me. Will go x-mas shopping with Nicole at 14:00 so plenty of time
Dec 03 21:46:53 <mickey|leipzig> should be part of the docs eventually
Dec 03 21:47:00 <mickey|leipzig> (12:00) ok
Dec 03 21:47:12 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: (Jan) No idea. Seems more like building an house ;)
Dec 03 21:47:18 <mickey|leipzig> hahah
Dec 03 21:47:19 <mickey|leipzig> right
Dec 03 21:47:29 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: (blog) not yet. X200s kept me busy the last days
Dec 03 21:47:38 <mickey|leipzig> mmh
Dec 03 21:47:40 <mickey|leipzig> *envy*
Dec 03 21:47:44 * stefan_schmidt checks
Dec 03 21:47:44 <Kensan> hm are you guys all going for the X200(s)?
Dec 03 21:47:50 <mickey|leipzig> yeah
Dec 03 21:47:53 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: alphaone Will get his tomorrow :)
Dec 03 21:47:58 <mickey|leipzig> aargh
Dec 03 21:47:59 <Kensan> geez
Dec 03 21:48:02 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Dec 03 21:48:03 * mickey|leipzig more envious
Dec 03 21:48:17 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: We decided on this the last meeting, you remember
Dec 03 21:48:33 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: You need to be faster with the execution ;)
Dec 03 21:48:37 <mickey|leipzig> heh, right
Dec 03 21:48:43 <mickey|leipzig> "expenses"
Dec 03 21:48:45 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: is the X200s standard FSO team equipment?
Dec 03 21:48:50 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: My T40p was 4 years old. It was about time.
Dec 03 21:48:54 <mickey|leipzig> Kensan: ya, mandatory now
Dec 03 21:49:05 <mickey|leipzig> :)
Dec 03 21:49:05 <Kensan> hm ok
Dec 03 21:49:12 <Kensan> I am in the wrong team I guess.
Dec 03 21:49:15 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: I even mentioned it in the meeting minutes :)
Dec 03 21:49:28 * Kensan is still lugging around his T43p with thermal design problems...
Dec 03 21:49:29 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Sadly we have to pay ourself as we are freelancer
Dec 03 21:49:41 <stefan_schmidt> urgs, yeah, T43p was not that good
Dec 03 21:49:42 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: well I have no access to the meeting minutes ;)
Dec 03 21:49:52 <mickey|leipzig> meeting minutes are public
Dec 03 21:49:52 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: it's crap
Dec 03 21:49:54 <stefan_schmidt> I always preferred my T40p
Dec 03 21:50:08 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: Posted them to the list
Dec 03 21:50:12 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: hm ic. I should pay more attention then ;)
Dec 03 21:50:27 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: which list? I am probably not subscribed.
Dec 03 21:50:39 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I have to cut down on ml subscriptions... *sigh*
Dec 03 21:50:57 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: smartphone-standards or -userland I don't remember
Dec 03 21:51:00 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: I don't like to drink from the firehose everyday... lkml is enough by itself.
Dec 03 21:51:15 <stefan_schmidt> Kensan: yeah, I mostly skip all mails there
Dec 03 21:51:39 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: Ah, blogging about modems. good!
Dec 03 21:52:14 <mickey|leipzig> ya... took me an hour yesterday nite
Dec 03 21:52:23 <Kensan> stefan_schmidt: there's no other way. alot of noise but some gems come and go. Plus some people consistently tell the real deal in every mail :)
Dec 03 21:52:29 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: worth it
Dec 03 21:52:35 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|leipzig: People need more details
Dec 03 21:52:48 <lindi-> where do you blog?
Dec 03 21:53:35 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: awesome, have to read that later.
Dec 03 21:54:00 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: btw, any sign of the mokolights pics? ;)
Dec 03 21:55:02 <mickey|leipzig> the systems pics aren't worth it
Dec 03 21:55:13 <mickey|leipzig> quality is too low
Dec 03 21:55:21 <mickey|leipzig> but i have this shiny 16 relais card now
Dec 03 21:55:22 <Kensan> lindi-: openmoko planet or http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/blog/
Dec 03 21:55:27 <mickey|leipzig> just need to grab my vidcam
Dec 03 21:55:29 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: ah
Dec 03 21:55:38 * Kensan hands mickey|leipzig HD camcorder
Dec 03 21:55:42 <mickey|leipzig> when i'm back in FRA
Dec 03 21:55:59 <Kensan> mickey|leipzig: no hurry :)
Dec 03 21:59:51 <Sargun> PaulFertser, Sorry, I had to step out, you still here?
Dec 03 21:59:57 <PaulFertser> Sargun: yes :)
Dec 03 22:00:22 <Sargun> PaulFertser, if you could give me a tarball of what you want to compile (tar.gz preferable, rather than bz2)
Dec 03 22:00:40 <stefan_schmidt> yo raster 
Dec 03 22:00:53 <raster> stefan_schmidt: yo!
Dec 03 22:00:55 * raster hides
Dec 03 22:01:01 * stefan_schmidt uses his chance to poke the him anyway
Dec 03 22:01:07 <stefan_schmidt> raster: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/151
Dec 03 22:01:25 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Like to apply this in E or should I add the patch to OE?
Dec 03 22:01:33 <PaulFertser> Sargun: are you compiling debian packages with qemubuilder?
Dec 03 22:01:38 <stefan_schmidt> raster: mato has some real build troubles without it
Dec 03 22:03:15 <quickdev> hey raster 
Dec 03 22:03:53 <Sargun> PaulFertser, on device. 
Dec 03 22:04:01 <Sargun> :-O
Dec 03 22:04:04 <sicu> i think raster will stay hidden ;p
Dec 03 22:04:30 <Sargun> PaulFertser, So, wanna give me a tarball?
Dec 03 22:04:35 <Sargun> PaulFertser, Also, how would I test it?
Dec 03 22:05:05 <PaulFertser> Sargun: Yes, i do. i'll prepare it in 10 min.
Dec 03 22:05:12 <Sargun> Cool, cool.
Dec 03 22:05:17 <quickdev> raster, I found another elementary bug
Dec 03 22:05:25 <Sargun> what include files do you need, dbus, what else?
Dec 03 22:05:38 <PaulFertser> Sargun: I've ordered today a 8Gb uSD card, so soon i'll be able to compile everything for myself :)
Dec 03 22:06:03 <Sargun> haha
Dec 03 22:06:07 <Sargun> Wait, they have 8GB.
Dec 03 22:06:10 <Sargun> Err, nevermind
Dec 03 22:06:11 * Hire throws a beer on raster's face
Dec 03 22:06:17 <Sargun> the 8 gb was like half the speed of the 4 GB
Dec 03 22:09:59 <PaulFertser> Sargun: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gsm0710_paulfertser.tar.gz it should compile like a regular Debian package, i hope... 
Dec 03 22:11:20 <PaulFertser> Sargun: to test it i'm going to enable debug (-vvv) again and see how my phonebook every time is readed correctly (without a fix and with debug enabled on i can't do it almost every time).
Dec 03 22:11:37 <lindi-> PaulFertser: what is that? new version of gsm0710muxd?
Dec 03 22:11:56 <raster> stefan_schmidt: that is very strange. the pthread support has worked on debian and ubuntu for years now
Dec 03 22:12:18 <PaulFertser> lindi-: I'm talking about a bug in gsm0710muxd for like for days now. And i can't really test my proposed fix as i don't have a compiling environment ready yet (for various reasons).
Dec 03 22:12:29 <mato> raster: hi
Dec 03 22:12:31 <lindi-> PaulFertser: aha, do you have debian?
Dec 03 22:12:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-: s/like for/like four/
Dec 03 22:12:40 <lindi-> PaulFertser: (on the phone)
Dec 03 22:12:44 <PaulFertser> lindi-: Yes, i do.
Dec 03 22:12:48 * mato was going to sleep but will manage another 10 minutes...
Dec 03 22:12:57 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Can't give you details. Working here. But mato can help :)
Dec 03 22:13:05 <Sargun> PaulFertser, compilation instructions?
Dec 03 22:13:09 <mato> raster: i also found it strange, it looks like a Debian-etch specific bug
Dec 03 22:13:24 <Sargun> sh autogen.sh; ./configure; make
Dec 03 22:13:26 <Sargun> right?
Dec 03 22:13:36 <lindi-> there is debian/
Dec 03 22:14:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser: execution permissions of debian/rules were lost for some reason
Dec 03 22:14:33 <mato> raster: i tried lots of things, including adding #define _GNU_SOURCE in evas_common.h, including <features.h> and then testing if __USE_XOPEN2K was defined, and it wasn't :(
Dec 03 22:14:37 <PaulFertser> lindi-: that's true, that's what i got from git snapshot, i'm afraid.
Dec 03 22:15:14 <mato> raster: the only solution that worked was directly adding -D_GNU_SOURCE to CFLAGS, hence the patch to configure.ac
Dec 03 22:15:40 <raster> that is utterly odd
Dec 03 22:15:45 <lindi-> PaulFertser: odd
Dec 03 22:16:49 <PaulFertser> Sargun: i'm sorry, i don't compile packages too often. It should work with dpkg-buildpackage but i might be missing a .dsc file or something. I have too little Debian experience :(
Dec 03 22:17:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i'll give you commands to do it
Dec 03 22:17:18 <lindi-> i'll just test that they work first
Dec 03 22:18:15 <Sargun> PaulFertser, Ok, building, this might take a while!
Dec 03 22:18:30 <lindi-> qemubuilder is still installing dependencies :)
Dec 03 22:18:30 <PaulFertser> lindi-: Heh, i know the reason why the +x permission got lost. Because of my ignorance i've downloaded the git snapshot and then patched it (with patch) with the info from *.diff.gz. Obviously not the right Debian way...
Dec 03 22:19:06 <PaulFertser> lindi-: My problem with qemubuilder is that it doesn't seem to support http_proxy which is mandatory at my work.
Dec 03 22:19:14 <mato> raster: odd indeed, in any case the -D_GNU_SOURCE shouldn't break anything...
Dec 03 22:19:35 <mato> ok, sleep mode, for real
Dec 03 22:19:42 <raster> mato:  no... but totally odd
Dec 03 22:19:48 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i reported a bug about that
Dec 03 22:19:56 <lindi-> PaulFertser: the solution is to use /etc/apt.d or something to specify proxy
Dec 03 22:20:03 <lindi-> PaulFertser: see bugs.debian.org/qemubuilder
Dec 03 22:20:12 <lindi-> PaulFertser: it was classified as not a bug :)
Dec 03 22:21:36 <raster> nat ok - in upstream
Dec 03 22:21:46 <raster> this means u'd have to update to latest svn head
Dec 03 22:21:55 <raster> rev 37919 +
Dec 03 22:21:58 <PaulFertser> lindi-: I've added the proxy thing to the apt config today to get emdebian working but i didn't test qemubuilder. Anyway, i don't quite like the idea to use a virtual machine for cross-compiling.
Dec 03 22:22:20 <lindi-> PaulFertser: qemubuilder is not cross-compiling
Dec 03 22:22:35 <PaulFertser> lindi-: That's exactly what i don't like about it :)
Dec 03 22:23:20 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i added qemu+distcc instructions to wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_Environment
Dec 03 22:23:41 <lindi-> PaulFertser: qemu + distcc(with real cross-compilers)
Dec 03 22:24:44 <PaulFertser> lindi-: Oh, thanks, i'll give it a try. It is still not exactly what i want though... Qemu is great, indeed, but i'm not sure building packages for whatever arch should require it.
Dec 03 22:25:16 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ./autogen.sh && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && sudo qemubuilder --build ../*.dsc produced http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/
Dec 03 22:25:47 <lindi-> PaulFertser: it's a huge undertaking to make all debian packages build in a cross-compiling environment
Dec 03 22:25:55 <lindi-> PaulFertser: think about all the broken upstream scripts :)
Dec 03 22:26:00 <raster> ooh quickdev left
Dec 03 22:26:02 <raster> bugger
Dec 03 22:26:05 <raster> it was his turn
Dec 03 22:27:25 <Sargun> Oh, well, lindi-'s solution worked. 
Dec 03 22:28:15 <Kensan> raster: evening Mr. raster
Dec 03 22:28:22 <Kensan> or morning rather
Dec 03 22:29:15 <raster> Kensan: yo
Dec 03 22:29:17 <PaulFertser> lindi-: Yes, broken upstream is a real problem here. But somehow it should be fixed anyway. Like it was with the introduction of dash.
Dec 03 22:29:19 <mortenlysgaard> Hi, was just wondering: Is there any daily builds or updated kernel for FSO?
Dec 03 22:29:39 <Kensan> raster: what's happening on your side of the planet? Moved in yet?
Dec 03 22:29:43 <lindi-> PaulFertser: if you see the page you'll see my comment about 'dpkg-buildpackage -aarmel -rfakeroot'
Dec 03 22:29:49 <lindi-> PaulFertser: now go fix packages to work with it :)
Dec 03 22:29:57 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i already fixed one package
Dec 03 22:31:17 <raster> Kensan:  nah. leas starts saturday
Dec 03 22:31:21 <raster> will move next week
Dec 03 22:31:37 <stefan_schmidt> raster: You move?
Dec 03 22:31:41 <raster> i'll be on half-steam while i have to pack, move, unpack and god knwos all the other stuff with moving
Dec 03 22:31:49 <raster> stefan_schmidt: yes. next week
Dec 03 22:31:52 <Kensan> raster: ah ok. but all the "formal"/contract etc part is done then, that's good,
Dec 03 22:31:54 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Where?
Dec 03 22:32:33 <Sargun> The PaulFertser your fix work? 
Dec 03 22:33:03 <PaulFertser> Sargun: I'm trying at the moment. Thanks a lot, Sargun. Big thanks to lindi- :)
Dec 03 22:33:19 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * reb39ce7fb81b 10/fso-apm/apm: fso-apm: show battery status together with capacity
Dec 03 22:33:21 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  just down the road
Dec 03 22:33:35 <stefan_schmidt> raster: ok
Dec 03 22:33:47 <stefan_schmidt> raster: Why? I liked your apartment :)
Dec 03 22:34:10 <Sargun> What's the status of Andy's Kernel? 
Dec 03 22:34:28 <raster> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=188+chalmers+street&sll=-33.867139,151.207114&sspn=0.056444,0.061197&g=sydney&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.889032,151.206606&spn=0.000882,0.000956&t=h&z=20
Dec 03 22:34:31 <raster> to there
Dec 03 22:35:02 <raster> stefan_schmidt: meriton (the apartment building owners - company) is changing apartment into a serviced apartment and gave notice that i have to vacate by dec 15
Dec 03 22:35:25 <stefan_schmidt> raster: ups, bastards.
Dec 03 22:36:25 <PaulFertser> Sargun, lindi- It works :) exactly as i expected :) Now i can see again what's going on with GSM modem communication. Maybe it'll allow me to catch some more bugs during everyday use :)
Dec 03 22:36:29 <stefan_schmidt> raster: next to the train station then
Dec 03 22:36:39 <raster> only 1.5km away or so
Dec 03 22:37:03 <PaulFertser> Sargun: btw, i've just tried to compile andy-tracking. Broken at the moment, unfortunately.
Dec 03 22:37:09 <raster> next to train station in both places
Dec 03 22:37:15 <raster> just the one now is underground
Dec 03 22:37:18 <raster> the other is central
Dec 03 22:37:24 <raster> (hauptbahnhof von sydney)
Dec 03 22:37:57 <lindi-> PaulFertser: -#define gsm0710_buffer_free(buf) ((buf->readp > buf->writep) ? (buf->readp - buf->writep) : (GSM0710_BUFFER_SIZE - (buf->writep-buf->readp)))
Dec 03 22:38:01 <lindi-> +#define gsm0710_buffer_free(buf) ((buf->readp > buf->writep) ? (buf->readp - buf->writep) : (GSM0710_BUFFER_SIZE - (buf->writep-buf->readp)) - 1)
Dec 03 22:38:03 <lindi-> PaulFertser: that one?
Dec 03 22:38:04 <PaulFertser> Sargun: i suppose that before 1e664d4740009ac49c2a2f85ffc994c12ee040bd it worked
Dec 03 22:38:06 <stefan_schmidt> raster: yeah, meant central
Dec 03 22:38:08 <PaulFertser> lindi-: exactly
Dec 03 22:38:20 <Sargun> aww
Dec 03 22:39:10 <PaulFertser> Sargun: somehow even conflict markers got in :-/
Dec 03 22:41:23 <PaulFertser> Btw, what is the proposed plan on migration to the andy-tracking? Is FSO going to support both "stable" and "-tracking"? I think i'll start using andy-tracking everyday soon (as soon as it compiles :) ).
Dec 03 22:41:39 <mortenlysgaard> Is there any daily or updated kernel for FSO around?
Dec 03 23:00:31 <PaulFertser> lindi-: thanks a lot again, i've reported the test result to the mailing list. Gotta sleep now, see you.
Dec 03 23:01:01 <PaulFertser> Sargun: thank you too for your help. Good night :)
Dec 03 23:37:23 <pieterc> hi... If i try to flash the tracking kernel from Sean Mcneils android thing... It return a bad data crc at verifying checksum ...
Dec 03 23:37:25 <pieterc> any idea?
Dec 03 23:48:35 <pieterc> nobody?
Dec 03 23:48:36 <pieterc> pls?
Dec 03 23:53:58 <Grarg> pieterc, bad download?
Dec 03 23:57:07 <pieterc> i tried it 2 times
Dec 03 23:57:11 <pieterc> the download
Dec 03 23:57:12 <pieterc> i mean
Dec 04 00:00:45 <pieterc> hah
Dec 04 00:08:25 <rwhitby> pieterc: kernel too large for your current uboot settings.
Dec 04 00:08:29 <rwhitby> see the email on the lists about it
Dec 04 00:09:35 <pieterc> Oh right... I read about that
Dec 04 00:09:37 <pieterc> ty 
Dec 04 00:10:01 <rwhitby> yw
Dec 04 00:10:05 <pieterc> just changing to QI works?
Dec 04 00:34:47 <Sargun> How long until Qi is going to become "mainstream"
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