**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 16 02:59:57 2008 Dec 16 03:48:17 guessing it has to do with rastor graphics ;] Dec 16 06:29:33 sicu, ping? what did you need? leave me a pm... Dec 16 06:33:11 TAsn: Dec 16 06:33:33 just thought i'd let you know i did a couple icons before going to work Dec 16 06:34:15 TAsn: pm Dec 16 07:41:41 weemoko Dec 16 07:49:03 Oh, yay, I found a bug Dec 16 07:54:13 bugmoko Dec 16 08:47:54 morning Dec 16 10:17:52 viq: wrt. marc.info Dec 16 10:17:56 Hi, everybody. I'm having an inability to enter suspend with FSO atm and i think i can provide some semi-useful logs. Dec 16 10:17:57 I won't add it now Dec 16 10:18:13 With projects removal, we will migrate Dec 16 10:18:13 Any particular reason? Dec 16 10:18:18 PaulFertser: did you upgrade to rev 802? Dec 16 10:18:23 If not, you won't be able to suspend or make calls Dec 16 10:18:29 (stabilization/ms4) Dec 16 10:18:44 Project's removal? Dec 16 10:18:49 Ainulindale: no, i'm running ms4 as packaged by Debian FSO team. Dec 16 10:18:49 projects.openmoko.org Dec 16 10:18:53 the ML is hosted there Dec 16 10:18:57 PaulFertser: check the revision then Dec 16 10:19:07 PaulFertser: I had this problem yesterday Dec 16 10:19:09 No suspend, no calls Dec 16 10:19:29 oh Dec 16 10:19:45 Ainulindale: I've read about it. I didn't update to that broken revision anyway. I had the problem when i'm sometimes after a day of usage unable to suspend weeks before. Dec 16 10:19:59 It's just i see now what's going wrong. Dec 16 10:20:06 I'm interested in that :-) Dec 16 10:20:07 Shoot :-) Dec 16 10:21:33 Ainulindale: AT+CTZU=0 times out. And it seems it's actually does, i have debugging enabled in gsm0710muxd and i think they correspond to what's going on the wire. Dec 16 10:21:53 Interesting Dec 16 10:21:59 Ainulindale: i'll paste the relevant part to some bin in a minute. Dec 16 10:22:14 well, feel free to do a Dec 16 10:22:23 mickey|zzZZzz, alphaone: Piiiiiing. Dec 16 10:22:26 And a Dec 16 10:22:29 !summon stefan_schmidt Dec 16 10:22:44 I hit that thing myself Dec 16 10:22:47 But couldn't reproduce it Dec 16 10:24:20 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m63360fc6 Dec 16 10:26:46 TAsn? Dec 16 10:27:17 PaulFertser: unfortunately I won't be of help with that, but that's good to know you found out about it Dec 16 10:29:12 Ainulindale: it'd be good if i found a root cause, not symptomps... :( Is mickey|zzZZzz the only GSM modem expert here? Dec 16 10:30:45 raster: ping Dec 16 10:31:14 raster: are you there? Dec 16 10:32:22 Ainulindale: anyway, no i'm able to easily keep logs long enough with my new shiny 8Gb uSD (after struggling for a day with Qi) ;) Dec 16 10:32:35 s/, no/, now/ Dec 16 10:32:35 PaulFertser meant: Ainulindale: anyway, now i'm able to easily keep logs long enough with my new shiny 8Gb uSD (after struggling for a day with Qi) ;) Dec 16 10:38:46 Ainulindale: pong Dec 16 10:39:00 But I'm gone now, need to pick something up from customs Dec 16 10:43:48 Heh :-) Dec 16 10:44:03 Ainulindale: I have to make/receive some calls... Does the 15/12 snapshot can do it ? Dec 16 10:44:10 hello BTW Dec 16 10:46:09 Also could you tell me what is the problem with the /var/db directory and how you solved it ? I don't work today so I'll have a little time to make it better. Dec 16 10:46:52 ptitjes: yes Dec 16 10:47:00 I didn't solve it Dec 16 10:51:19 ptitjes: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/blog/WhatsNew-2008-12-15 Dec 16 10:51:21 Comments, etc. Dec 16 10:53:01 Ainulindale: nice work!! Dec 16 10:54:36 Hey mrmoku Dec 16 10:54:39 hi Dec 16 10:54:42 I had to learn how to write your name Dec 16 10:55:02 I had the same problem with your name :-) Dec 16 10:55:33 Heh :-) Dec 16 10:56:47 Ainulindale: I fixed the newlines in the message list :-) Dec 16 10:56:54 will take a look at message view today Dec 16 10:57:21 Nice :-) Dec 16 10:57:25 Ainulindale: should I go testing or unstable ? Dec 16 10:57:31 ptitjes: your choice Dec 16 10:57:37 (to make my calls ? :)) Dec 16 10:57:40 Then testing Dec 16 10:57:50 mrmoku: please read my post and tell me what you think about it Dec 16 10:57:58 i.e. comments, suggestions Dec 16 10:59:44 Ainulindale: I had something strange on the 14/12 see that logs : http://pastebin.com/m5d309049 Dec 16 11:00:10 What does the calling exit_cb() mean ? who calls that ? Dec 16 11:00:20 Ainulindale: good writing :-) Dec 16 11:00:25 Because then I close the database in the exit_callback() Dec 16 11:00:35 ptitjes: exit cb is from the UI Dec 16 11:01:11 I was using unstable phonegui-efl, so that might explain the problem ? Dec 16 11:01:36 That's not a problem Dec 16 11:01:45 If you see a message "formatting your brain" Dec 16 11:01:49 That does not mean it's actually doing it Dec 16 11:01:56 :-> Dec 16 11:02:03 eeeuh ??? Dec 16 11:02:34 IIRC exit_cb is triggered when a screen in exiting in the new UI Dec 16 11:02:36 Nothing more Dec 16 11:02:58 So I shoudn't close the database in it! Dec 16 11:03:10 I though this was called when ophonekitd ends Dec 16 11:03:22 Which one are you talking about? Dec 16 11:03:36 exit_callback Dec 16 11:04:04 Ah, yes. I see. Dec 16 11:04:07 No, you shouldn't. Dec 16 11:04:20 Is there a callback when ophonekitd ends ? Dec 16 11:04:20 I was wondering why the database was opened/closed so many times. Dec 16 11:04:34 Why would there be? Dec 16 11:04:39 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=ophonekitd/src/ophonekitd-main.c;h=956f0ef3cfc36a47f41281c9cae3e3eda2051345;hb=HEAD Dec 16 11:04:44 94 Dec 16 11:04:57 It lacks a free outgoing calls too Dec 16 11:04:59 So please add it Dec 16 11:05:54 Ok! thanks!! Dec 16 11:06:10 You're welcome Dec 16 11:06:17 Maybe the comment on line 413 should be changed so! Dec 16 11:06:40 It is not clear for me that it is for a gui front-end Dec 16 11:06:50 Well Dec 16 11:06:51 I though it was for the whole ophonekitd Dec 16 11:06:56 In fact Dec 16 11:07:04 I don't have the slightest idea about what quickdev did whit that Dec 16 11:07:07 s/whit/with/ Dec 16 11:07:07 Ainulindale meant: I don't have the slightest idea about what quickdev did with that Dec 16 11:07:28 This is launched on C^C on phonegui Dec 16 11:07:36 So I'm wondering why it's there Dec 16 11:07:53 COmment seems wrong to me Dec 16 11:08:02 Please ask confirmation to him Dec 16 11:08:11 quickdev: ping Dec 16 11:08:18 (he's not here) Dec 16 11:08:22 :) Dec 16 11:09:27 Ainulindale: I want to do cosmetics in ophonekitd-main.c Dec 16 11:09:50 Remove some g_debug, etc... Dec 16 11:10:07 in call_add, call_remove, etc... Dec 16 11:10:25 Why? Dec 16 11:10:59 If you don't think it's too much then I'll let them Dec 16 11:11:08 Well we're in debug, not in stable Dec 16 11:11:20 However the g_debug of ophonekitd_call_get_unique_id is wrong Dec 16 11:11:23 :( Dec 16 11:11:36 T'es trop dispersé Didier =) Dec 16 11:11:50 Maiss euuuhh!!! Dec 16 11:12:32 bah c'est vrai :-) Dec 16 11:12:36 Well anyway, back to english Dec 16 11:12:47 I'd rather see you work on features than correcting minor g_debug thingies :-) Dec 16 11:12:55 BTW, my best friend (that I spoke to you about) ordered his fr on sunday Dec 16 11:13:06 nikolaish? Dec 16 11:13:09 Or something like that Dec 16 11:13:10 He might have it during the week as shops seems to have some Dec 16 11:13:16 yeah* Dec 16 11:13:19 He bought it from bearstech? Dec 16 11:13:23 Yeah Dec 16 11:13:32 Well he could go and pick it up Dec 16 11:13:35 It's in Paris Dec 16 11:13:44 Oh, I'll tell him Dec 16 11:13:51 Well anyway Dec 16 11:13:57 I'm interested in seeing people work on that rule manager thingy Dec 16 11:13:58 That would be cool cause he goes to Berlin at the end of the week Dec 16 11:14:09 Aren't you interested? *deer eyes* Dec 16 11:14:12 I'll talk to him about that Dec 16 11:14:19 Me ??? Dec 16 11:14:34 If I do that, I might change the rule format Dec 16 11:14:41 You know how I am!!! Dec 16 11:14:57 Maybe that is too dangerous to give me control over such a beast Dec 16 11:15:10 ;) Dec 16 11:15:24 Well, let's use the current one before talking about changing the format Dec 16 11:15:35 If you do it modular enough, anyway, it'll be ready for that Dec 16 11:15:45 In fact, I'm currently reading the vala tutorial Dec 16 11:15:56 I would do an abstraction for rules anyway Dec 16 11:16:10 So would use the current rule format as an interim Dec 16 11:16:39 No definitive answer: maybe :) Dec 16 11:16:54 Ainulindale: I'll think about it Dec 16 11:17:11 However, I've sketched a API design for adatad Dec 16 11:17:21 s/adatad/odatad/ Dec 16 11:17:22 ptitjes meant: However, I've sketched a API design for odatad Dec 16 11:17:32 adatad? Dec 16 11:17:35 or odatad? Dec 16 11:17:40 what's that? Dec 16 11:17:40 odatad Dec 16 11:17:51 a more generic opimd :) Dec 16 11:17:56 Ah Dec 16 11:18:20 That could also serve as a core for the current opimd Dec 16 11:18:38 if there are already people using those opimd APIs... Dec 16 11:18:48 I don't think there is Dec 16 11:18:57 But you shouldn't do that now Dec 16 11:19:09 THere will be a discussion about opimd status/way to go this week Dec 16 11:19:11 Would you like that I pastebin what I sketched Dec 16 11:19:12 ? Dec 16 11:19:31 Right now I'm kind of busy, maybe later =) Dec 16 11:19:40 Yeah I registered to fso-standards in order to participate Dec 16 11:19:51 to the discussion Dec 16 11:20:19 The discussion won't be on the ML Dec 16 11:20:29 mwester: Is it possible that it's you who can shed a light on FSO unable to suspend modem (and therefore the phone as a whole) problem? The log shows that unsolicited %CSQ are coming from a channel, but AT+CTZU=0 sent to it is ignored. Please take a look at gsm0710muxd log at http://pastebin.com/m4038b01d when you have time. Dec 16 11:20:45 Ainulindale: So where ? Dec 16 11:21:09 "Braunschweig" Dec 16 11:22:23 Could we remove the comment about suspend in main.c as it is working well now ? Dec 16 11:22:41 In germany!!?? Dec 16 11:25:45 ptitjes: please do not remove anything from ophonekitd without explicitely telling me what you want to remove Dec 16 11:25:48 ANd again Dec 16 11:25:54 This *isn't* the priority Dec 16 11:25:58 Please focus on priorities Dec 16 11:26:20 Asking you is what I am currently doing! Dec 16 11:27:18 Anyway forget it Dec 16 11:28:02 Yeah but I'm telling you, do not remove this kind of stuff :-) Dec 16 11:29:23 So corrected the problem of database closing (currently flashing 15/12, will package source-local, test it and then commiting along to autorev fix) Dec 16 11:29:36 What about the problem of the /var/db directory Dec 16 11:30:11 will check that later Dec 16 11:39:53 Ainulindale: Should I recreate my shr tree by moving to the new makefile, or can I continue developing on my current tree ? Dec 16 11:42:29 Your "SHR tree"? What do you mean? Dec 16 11:42:47 Putting the makefile on your topdir and doing make update will work, I think. Dec 16 11:42:54 Ask mrmoku Dec 16 11:43:54 ok Dec 16 11:46:42 ptitjes: I did not try that Dec 16 11:47:21 I'll tell you Dec 16 11:47:21 you have to replace the common subdir with the shr-makefile Dec 16 11:49:26 Ainulindale: nice the blog section! :) Dec 16 12:03:20 \o/ Dec 16 12:07:03 raster: ping Dec 16 12:08:29 blog section? Dec 16 12:08:33 where is it?!?!?!? Dec 16 12:08:50 Mr. Moku, what are you up to today? Dec 16 12:09:01 How do I get the current git revision ? Dec 16 12:09:02 ptitjes: i am working for you... a bit... because now I have my real work * stucked in office * Dec 16 12:09:13 Hire :) Dec 16 12:09:28 Hire: you work for us all! ;) Dec 16 12:09:29 ptitjes: you are my real lover Dec 16 12:09:35 Dave: fighting newlines Dec 16 12:09:41 uh oh Dec 16 12:09:47 Hire: the blog http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/blog/WhatsNew-2008-12-15 Dec 16 12:10:54 thx dude Dec 16 12:12:19 Is git rev the thing in .git/refs/heads/master ? Dec 16 12:12:39 wow Dec 16 12:12:42 great work ainulindale Dec 16 12:16:04 guy! is there a git command to get the git revision without looking into .git/refs/heads/maste ? Dec 16 12:16:42 git push git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr.git Dec 16 12:17:13 i am flashing shr-unstable however Dec 16 12:17:44 ptitjes: git rev-parse HEAD Dec 16 12:18:04 ahh Dec 16 12:18:05 argh Dec 16 12:18:10 i am wrong Dec 16 12:18:20 thanks mrmoku Dec 16 12:41:44 roh: thanks :-) Dec 16 12:42:15 SHR Blog now on planet :-) Dec 16 12:46:07 Ainulindale: database closes correctly now on unstable Dec 16 12:46:23 does work ok on stable tough BTW Dec 16 12:46:30 s/tough/though/ Dec 16 12:46:31 ptitjes meant: does work ok on stable though BTW Dec 16 12:47:03 ptitjes: bump up the rev then please Dec 16 12:47:12 ptitjes: hint Dec 16 12:47:14 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3961977c3c2b3ce8fabded3a7cbea9115b4ca6f Dec 16 12:47:17 See h=? Dec 16 12:47:27 (though it's autorev, anyway) Dec 16 12:47:47 Ah, no you fixed it, good Dec 16 12:47:54 Then please bump the rev to b3961977c3c2b3ce8fabded3a7cbea9115b4ca6f Dec 16 12:55:50 Done Dec 16 13:03:04 Ainulindale: Could there be any reason that phone call quality changes with the new gui ? Dec 16 13:03:20 This shoudn't as frameworkd is the same, am I wrong ? Dec 16 13:03:31 You're wrong Dec 16 13:03:44 Did you flash unstable? Dec 16 13:03:49 Or did you upgrade to unstable? Dec 16 13:04:06 Stable + unstable libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 Dec 16 13:04:19 Then phone audio quality isn't different Dec 16 13:04:30 Were you to upgrade to frameworkd-devel it may be different, but I can't tell Dec 16 13:04:49 However it is different Dec 16 13:05:07 I called a friend first with old gui, then with new and it is different Dec 16 13:05:17 but maybe I was lucky with first call Dec 16 13:06:15 However Ainulindale call works ok with new gui Dec 16 13:06:24 ptitjes: there's a new modem-setup AT%N0175 that may or may not be found in newer gui/rootfs. Aslo the alsa.state files may differ. other reasons for changed quality don't come to mind Dec 16 13:06:48 Only some minor problems that I don't know if they are bug or not : Dec 16 13:07:15 - Dialer closes when calling (call occurs as expected but dialer is not there anymore after call) Dec 16 13:08:07 - Contacts appear inside the Dialer app when click on "Click to get the contact list". I think it should open the Contacts app instead Dec 16 13:08:27 DocScrutinizer: should I update to unstable frameworkd ? Dec 16 13:09:11 Ainulindale: I think this could be moved to testing Dec 16 13:09:51 ptitjes: quality also depends on your correspondent Dec 16 13:10:14 And your two bugs aren't bugs but features Dec 16 13:10:27 And no, this won't be moved to testing Dec 16 13:10:33 There are still bugs Dec 16 13:10:36 And quickdev is handling that Dec 16 13:10:49 ptitjes: I don't know which rootfs image has new modem setup. So I can't recommend on this. Alsa.states probably need an adjustment to meet your particualr preferences anyway Dec 16 13:10:50 He'll decide when it's stable enough. Dec 16 13:14:11 Ainulindale: I don't find those to be features Dec 16 13:14:26 Well, that's your opinion Dec 16 13:14:38 You get two contact list when you have contacts appearing inside dialer Dec 16 13:14:56 What do you mean by two? Dec 16 13:15:17 Also Dialer don't close when calling from the contact list which is not coherent with the dialer closing when you type a number and call Dec 16 13:16:33 [Contacts inside Dialer] For instance: Open Contacts app, then open Dialer app, click to get contact list, look at the illume app list and you have two Contacts list (one with the Contacts app icon, the other with the Dialer app icon) Dec 16 13:16:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r001f5426d595 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: audio: try harder to escape spaces in filenames Dec 16 13:16:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r41216b7057ec 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: spawn processes asynchronous in CommandAction. Closes FSO #235 Dec 16 13:17:11 I would like the Dialer to open Contacts app when click to get contacts Dec 16 13:17:38 That's not possible. Dec 16 13:17:39 This is more coherent I think with the current application-way of view Dec 16 13:17:48 Why ? Dec 16 13:18:00 Because that's not the way it is, right now Dec 16 13:18:09 However it should Dec 16 13:18:27 And I seriously think you're focusing on things that aren't a matter of extreme importance ptitjes Dec 16 13:18:37 Sure, minor things like that should get fixed Dec 16 13:18:47 But there're far more important issues :-) Dec 16 13:18:50 Try with a full sim Dec 16 13:18:52 try to add a contact Dec 16 13:19:00 these two simples things borked with latest UI here Dec 16 13:19:03 -s Dec 16 13:19:10 (latest, i.e. yesterday) Dec 16 13:19:22 Ainulindale: You know we have not the same point of view on these things Dec 16 13:19:27 KaZeR: Hey, just answered you Dec 16 13:19:31 Which things? Dec 16 13:20:26 I think messages should be backed up in database, and SIM card automatically managed (alwas one free message storage when a message is received) Dec 16 13:21:25 Anyway, I stick to unstable phonegui :) Dec 16 13:21:31 Well, as I told you before Dec 16 13:21:35 I won't do this in SHR Dec 16 13:21:41 This isn't the purpose of SHR Dec 16 13:21:45 This is the purpose of FSO Dec 16 13:22:14 indeed Dec 16 13:22:25 ptitjes: you have to talk with micheyl about that Dec 16 13:22:43 And I won't accept any kind of modification which would do that except if it encompasses all the functionnalities expected from a PIM Dec 16 13:23:03 yeah I will work on this :) Dec 16 13:23:05 Because it's too much work, it implies too many tests Dec 16 13:23:11 And we can't do that right now Dec 16 13:23:14 We have other issues Dec 16 13:23:19 Doing everything at the same time is plain dumb to me Dec 16 13:23:24 We should focus on small steps Dec 16 13:23:30 Delivering a working & stable UI is one of them Dec 16 13:23:44 We are near to that Dec 16 13:24:04 What do you think is missing now ? Dec 16 13:24:17 I mean after the work of quickdev Dec 16 13:24:23 Well, stability. Dec 16 13:24:45 ok I can't help here except by testing (which I do :)) Dec 16 13:25:03 So let me work on the next step Dec 16 13:25:06 :) Dec 16 13:25:57 Next step is a settings app, ptitjes Dec 16 13:26:05 You could work on modules for shr-settings Dec 16 13:26:12 A full power settings module would be of interest Dec 16 13:26:19 And a rule editor Dec 16 13:26:27 To prevent screen dimming for instance Dec 16 13:26:37 Sorry won't work on python Dec 16 13:26:41 Learning vala Dec 16 13:27:08 Remember what I told you this morning? Dec 16 13:27:48 heu you told me lots of things - what topic exactely ? Dec 16 13:28:09 I told you were buzzing around looking at everything, trying to do everything at once Dec 16 13:28:13 "Tu es trop dispersé" =) Dec 16 13:28:29 You just put your hands in C, after trying to do python on frameworkd and now you're looking upon vala Dec 16 13:28:36 Seriously, settle down for a while =) Dec 16 13:29:16 If you want to do something useful, I could use a hand on the huge number of tickets which are on trac Dec 16 13:29:21 There are bb files to create too Dec 16 13:29:30 You could fix ophonekitd bb file for instance Dec 16 13:29:41 Tons of stuff to do Dec 16 13:29:45 None of them imply vala Dec 16 13:30:00 (hi mickeyl by the way) Dec 16 13:30:29 hi Ainulindale Dec 16 13:30:39 How's life, stab breaker? :-) Dec 16 13:30:43 heh Dec 16 13:30:58 the life is a bad thing Dec 16 13:31:00 it is sux Dec 16 13:31:01 can't see how i missed that Dec 16 13:31:06 and it is a lot bugged Dec 16 13:31:11 guess i should do less Dec 16 13:31:13 more concentrated Dec 16 13:31:18 we need to make some diff to fix some things .. Dec 16 13:31:23 anyways, meeting with Mr.opimd in two hours Dec 16 13:31:37 interesting Dec 16 13:31:40 mickeyl: I see how you missed that Dec 16 13:31:42 You were tired Dec 16 13:31:45 That's all Dec 16 13:31:51 true Dec 16 13:31:51 Happens to the best Dec 16 13:31:58 Ainulindale: Don't know what to do for the ophonekitd.bb - I do have a /var/db directory and if it don't comes from the ophonekitd package, then I don't know where it comes from Dec 16 13:32:08 ptitjes: it'll come f rom ophonekitd on install or reinstall Dec 16 13:32:11 not on image install Dec 16 13:32:46 To tell the truth I don't know how to do that properly, your way may be the one, but it's obviously missing something in order to make the image work Dec 16 13:32:54 (according to mrmoku) Dec 16 13:33:43 I can see that lots of packages are configured on image first boot Dec 16 13:34:03 But as there is no syslog, I can't see whether ophonekitd is configured Dec 16 13:34:16 Well, I can't tell you that either Dec 16 13:34:27 But that's worth working for Dec 16 13:34:28 However it should Dec 16 13:34:36 Because without that, your work is, sorry to say, incomplete :-) Dec 16 13:35:00 Don't think it pleases me to do the boring job of packaging things, testing stuff Dec 16 13:35:05 I'd like to develop and don't worry about that :-) Dec 16 13:35:59 is there a place in the image bb definition to tell what package should be configured at boot or is it processed automatically by oe ? Dec 16 13:36:10 s/boot/first boot/ Dec 16 13:36:10 ptitjes meant: is there a place in the image bb definition to tell what package should be configured at first boot or is it processed automatically by oe ? Dec 16 13:36:12 No idea, you should ask in #oe Dec 16 13:37:23 alphaone|gone: I'm pleased to see you're "gone" a lot these days Dec 16 13:37:34 Good to know you're eventually working on your stuff (I hope you do) Dec 16 13:46:41 Ainulindale: Is the log for the image build by the buildhost is accessible womewhere ? Dec 16 13:47:57 Yes, on tinderbox Dec 16 13:48:04 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/ Dec 16 13:48:28 Ainulindale: heh Dec 16 13:49:01 Ah, no, it isn't Dec 16 13:49:04 well ptitjes Dec 16 13:49:09 build an image and see for youself Dec 16 13:49:10 +r Dec 16 13:57:19 Ainulindale: directory creation problem resolved :) Dec 16 13:59:04 What was it then? Dec 16 13:59:43 * mrmoku whishes logs would be preserved over reboots... Dec 16 14:00:01 they are I think Dec 16 14:00:22 hmm, just had an incoming call that did just vibrate and not ring Dec 16 14:00:30 and did not stop vibrating ;) Dec 16 14:00:41 so in lack of my notebook around a rebooted Dec 16 14:00:55 and frameworkd.log and ophonekitd.log are reset Dec 16 14:01:04 Ainulindale: postinst() may be processed by oe at image creation (OE black-magic) but this is not done in chroot Dec 16 14:01:23 so 'mkdir -p -m 755 ${D}/var/db' will work Dec 16 14:02:29 DocScrutinizer: there? Dec 16 14:02:43 Ainulindale: mrmoku: they should be preserved but we should change the ophonekitd xsession call to use >> and not > Dec 16 14:03:03 logs I mean Dec 16 14:03:21 DocScrutinizer2: (ping there too) Dec 16 14:03:35 DocScrutinizer2: Wolfgang called me, phone wasn't up, it is now. If you can tell him to call me back :-) Dec 16 14:03:51 mrmoku: However frameworkd.log is preserved already Dec 16 14:04:35 hmm, not for me :( Dec 16 14:08:05 Ok just had him. Dec 16 14:10:29 mickey|meeting: send abraxa my best :-) Dec 16 14:10:50 * mrmoku might have found the reason: log -> /var/volatile/log Dec 16 14:12:05 argh Dec 16 14:12:34 that must be changed! Dec 16 14:14:17 Well, I'd rather see user do that by themselves Dec 16 14:15:24 really ? Dec 16 14:15:53 who cares about frameworkd.log (if one day all works nicely) ;) Dec 16 14:16:03 ptitjes: yes Dec 16 14:16:09 Because some users install loads of apps Dec 16 14:16:20 And if flash gets full because of the logs Dec 16 14:16:23 It may go awry Dec 16 14:16:44 BTW could I change 'ophonekitd > /var/log/ophonekitd.log 2>&1 &' to 'ophonekitd > /var/log/ophonekitd.log 2>>&1 &' in 80ophonekitd ? Dec 16 14:17:07 Ainulidale: but we have logrotate Dec 16 14:17:55 An anyhow there seems to be not much apps that logs into /var/log Dec 16 14:18:22 frameworkd does Dec 16 14:18:28 logrotated Dec 16 14:18:32 And frameworkd debug logs an awful lot of thing Dec 16 14:18:39 600K over two hours here with gps Dec 16 14:18:54 logrotated already (and with compression of logs) Dec 16 14:19:10 that doesn't change the fact that I don't want to fill the flash with that kind of thing Dec 16 14:19:12 I can rotate daily if you think it is better Dec 16 14:19:16 than weekly Dec 16 14:19:28 This should be discussed on the ML Dec 16 14:19:34 Post your ideas there Dec 16 14:19:42 shr-devel ? Dec 16 14:19:43 Though I stand firm Dec 16 14:19:49 I don't think this should be done as a default Dec 16 14:20:00 This should be done by the users themselves IMHO Dec 16 14:20:05 yes, shr-devel Dec 16 14:20:31 But testing and unstable distros are meant to be for testers/debuggers and logs are mandatory for them Dec 16 14:22:00 hi all... eh i was just hoping that someone would lend a bit of guidance Dec 16 14:22:05 That's a language abuse, ptitjes Dec 16 14:22:13 testing is more a stable thing than a testing thing Dec 16 14:22:19 It's testing because I don't want to release, nothing more Dec 16 14:22:43 Ainulindale: you did not answer me for the ophonekitd >> /var/log/ophonekitd.log Dec 16 14:23:07 i'm a programmer and own on of these lovely openmokos.... but i have pretty much 0 experience in embedded devices.... Dec 16 14:23:08 Well, test it first then commit it :-p Dec 16 14:23:09 ok for /var/log - this does just add to the long lists of things I have to do first when I reflash :) Dec 16 14:23:23 ptitjes: wurp2 has a script to do such things Dec 16 14:23:26 You should do the same Dec 16 14:23:29 I do that too Dec 16 14:23:36 real_ate: ask your question =) Dec 16 14:23:38 is there a list of junior programmer jobs anywhere Dec 16 14:23:46 want to get involved Dec 16 14:23:50 but don't know where to start Dec 16 14:23:59 Well that would depend on your abilities Dec 16 14:24:04 :P Dec 16 14:24:06 i have many Dec 16 14:24:32 final year computer scientist in Trinity College Dublin ;) Dec 16 14:24:34 lol Dec 16 14:25:04 hope quickdev won't get angry, but me fixed the damn newlines ;) Dec 16 14:25:04 well that just mean you may have a diploma Dec 16 14:25:12 Not that you can do this or that Dec 16 14:25:13 but not much stuff on embedded development, my college has been very much into the "Science" part of Computer Science Dec 16 14:25:24 So two questions Dec 16 14:25:38 Which language can you develop with, and what are you interested in as a developer? Dec 16 14:25:51 i mostly do C++ myself Dec 16 14:26:04 C? Python? Dec 16 14:26:06 * mrmoku likes real_ate :-) Dec 16 14:26:11 i can do C, C++, Eiffle, Haskal Dec 16 14:26:20 eh... there is a few more in there Dec 16 14:26:36 but i did an Google Summer of Code last year Dec 16 14:26:49 implementing GPS on Marble for kde 4.0 Dec 16 14:26:57 worked pretty well ;) Dec 16 14:27:26 so i'm pretty ok with QT, but like i said i've never done the embedded stuff :P Dec 16 14:27:41 Well you answered part of my question Dec 16 14:27:59 well the interested part is very much so GPS Dec 16 14:28:17 Well then you might want to talk to quickdev Dec 16 14:28:17 but right now i have been getting into usability and Human Computer Interactions Dec 16 14:28:20 (he's not here at the moment) Dec 16 14:28:33 he's currently working on an EFL ui for navit Dec 16 14:29:49 eh... well i was hoping to go more general right now Dec 16 14:30:00 what do you do Ainulindale? Dec 16 14:30:14 Well, I'm the lead whatsit on SHR Dec 16 14:30:17 does everyone really have a section that they mostly work on? Dec 16 14:31:59 that is a good question :) Dec 16 14:32:13 (sorry I shut up) Dec 16 14:32:19 :P Dec 16 14:32:53 * ptitjes hides so that Ainulindale doesn't shot him Dec 16 14:32:54 real_ate: A good start might be to get familiar with oe Dec 16 14:32:55 just had a look at SHR there... is that the most stable release so far for openmoko Dec 16 14:32:57 ? Dec 16 14:32:57 what do you mean by section, real_ate ? Dec 16 14:33:06 real_ate: well that's a matter of taste Dec 16 14:33:46 Ainulindale: ;) i don't mean to cause contraversy or anything... i just mean having most of the major bugs fixed Dec 16 14:34:08 i.e. echo on call, resume problem etc. Dec 16 14:34:16 well, I use SHR on a day to day basis Dec 16 14:34:20 But that's biased Dec 16 14:34:27 as I'm working on it :-) Dec 16 14:34:50 brb Dec 16 14:35:34 Hire? Dec 16 14:38:22 real_ate: I am only a shr user Dec 16 14:38:43 but to me it seems as if everybody has their own section Dec 16 14:38:46 quickdev - ui Dec 16 14:38:54 back Dec 16 14:38:56 well, quickdev doesn't do just UI Dec 16 14:39:00 Ainulindale - oe, low level Dec 16 14:39:01 He does his UI because he likes that Dec 16 14:39:08 I worked on his UI too, and on other UIs Dec 16 14:39:12 I also adapted settings Dec 16 14:39:16 Ainulindale: i think thats what he means ;) Dec 16 14:39:30 It's just that I generally don't like UIs Dec 16 14:39:31 everyone does what they like to do, or are familliar with Dec 16 14:40:17 real_ate: i would say: get the shr makefile and read a bit about the efl Dec 16 14:40:52 efl isn't mandatory Dec 16 14:41:07 Ainulindale: just another question... say things like the problems with suspend and the echos Dec 16 14:41:24 we use frameworkd Dec 16 14:41:28 So if frameworkd doesn't have echo issues Dec 16 14:41:30 We don't Dec 16 14:41:33 do they get solved upstream or do you guys fix them in your distro Dec 16 14:41:36 (I don't know the state of implementation of that) Dec 16 14:41:42 (But I personally don't have echo) Dec 16 14:41:48 hmm... Dec 16 14:42:24 so then maybe the real question is more like " is there an upstream and a downstream" ? :P Dec 16 14:42:43 Kind of Dec 16 14:42:50 bumbl, CM_work: whats oe? Dec 16 14:42:58 The teams are separate, but we work kind of hand in hand like a couple Dec 16 14:43:04 (stefan_schmidt is the wife) Dec 16 14:43:07 :P Dec 16 14:43:42 Ainulindale: From where you know? Until now I was able to cheat everybody. Dec 16 14:44:24 real_ate: openembedded Dec 16 14:44:34 hmm... ok so i'm ginda getting a picture of everything now Dec 16 14:44:39 bumbl: thanks for that Dec 16 14:44:52 ... and i think i know where i want to help out Dec 16 14:45:01 stefan_schmidt: the lack of penis made me think Dec 16 14:45:24 real_ate: and this "where" is? :-) Dec 16 14:45:32 ... i want to be a worker drone so i can just help out Dec 16 14:45:35 ya know Dec 16 14:45:45 i want openmoko to be my everyday phone Dec 16 14:45:55 that would be really cool for me Dec 16 14:46:15 but the bugs that i was having with all the other distros were really pissing off my friends Dec 16 14:46:33 so i want to help make openmoko more useable, for everyone Dec 16 14:46:54 well Dec 16 14:46:58 For starters you could install SHR Dec 16 14:47:06 even non tech savy people, the kind that don't even know what an IRC channel is :P Dec 16 14:47:17 Ainulindale: is it your everyday phone? Dec 16 14:47:21 real_ate: long way to go then Dec 16 14:47:22 Yes Dec 16 14:47:22 just curious Dec 16 14:47:29 For 5 months Dec 16 14:47:52 bumbl: but every journey starts with just a step ;) Dec 16 14:48:06 ok... well i guess i'll have to install SHR Dec 16 14:48:15 I used openmoko + shr as a daily phone too (i would do now too but I have to rely on good battery live and stable calls at the moment) Dec 16 14:48:59 bumbl: stable calls? Dec 16 14:49:27 SHR is better than Om2008.8 and anything that is based on it - it is better than fso because zhone sucks - and it is better than qt extended because x11 is a must have Dec 16 14:50:10 real_ate: sometimes I lost some calls + there was the echo bug + i usually test unstable which tends to brake stuff Dec 16 14:50:20 bumbl: This is your opinion. I personnaly prefer SHR because I'm in love with Ainulindale :D Dec 16 14:50:20 s/usually/at the moment/ Dec 16 14:50:21 bumbl meant: real_ate: sometimes I lost some calls + there was the echo bug + i at the moment test unstable which tends to brake stuff Dec 16 14:50:39 ptitjes: haha Dec 16 14:50:48 I bet that's because of the beard Dec 16 14:50:51 invite me to your marriage Dec 16 14:50:57 :p Dec 16 14:51:13 real_ate: no really SHR is really good - I use it as ma day-to-day phone too Dec 16 14:51:23 :D Dec 16 14:51:36 (ok sometimes there is a bug but this is going more and more better) Dec 16 14:51:46 i'll have to crack out the openmoko again so... Dec 16 14:51:56 ah and SHR has a nice default look Dec 16 14:52:03 and i want to help get at some of those bugs! Dec 16 14:52:31 Ainulindale: i know i'm a noob to the framework but is there anything that i can do to help out Dec 16 14:52:47 For the framework, not right now Dec 16 14:53:04 real_ate: I can give you a good pointer to start from http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/report/1 :D Dec 16 14:53:04 cool Dec 16 14:53:12 A good first step is to install SHR, try to see what it feels like, and give your comments Dec 16 14:53:58 Ainulindale: is it possible to get the press power button -> suspend behavior back Dec 16 14:53:58 ptitjes: had a look at that... but i am always more interested in milestone tickets ;) http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/report/3 Dec 16 14:54:20 bumbl: yes Dec 16 14:54:28 Ainulindale: well then i will have to accept this as my task ;) Dec 16 14:54:32 lol Dec 16 14:55:09 real_ate: I'd say some of those tickets are invalid Dec 16 14:55:10 Ainulindale: could you recall me where datadir and sysconfdir are defined ? Dec 16 14:55:28 bumbl: invalid? Dec 16 14:55:52 non-existent problems Dec 16 14:56:50 so the trac is not up to date then? Dec 16 14:57:16 Ainulindale: maybe i could try and update some of the trac posts? Dec 16 14:57:23 sound good? Dec 16 14:57:58 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/136 <- i never had that bug for example Dec 16 14:58:46 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/167 some like this one are upstream problems Dec 16 15:01:13 ok found it Dec 16 15:02:37 Work alert here, sorry. Will be back later. Dec 16 15:02:59 eh... how do you flash SHR ? Dec 16 15:03:08 download the image Dec 16 15:03:09 which images etc... Dec 16 15:03:27 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started Dec 16 15:03:28 dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D image.jffs2.summary Dec 16 15:03:41 take the gta02 lite image Dec 16 15:03:58 (latest image + latest kernel in that directory) Dec 16 15:04:18 bumbl: any perticular reason why lite? ;) Dec 16 15:04:35 I was asked the same question yesterday :p Dec 16 15:04:40 because lite is lite Dec 16 15:05:06 i don't need any of the apps which are provided by the "fat" image Dec 16 15:05:07 but what if you like big an beefy? Dec 16 15:05:11 :D Dec 16 15:05:12 lol Dec 16 15:05:35 and if you need one or too you could easily opkg install them Dec 16 15:05:54 ... eh where is the link? Dec 16 15:06:08 on the wiki it says http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ Dec 16 15:06:24 but the freerunner isn't 1973 :S right? Dec 16 15:07:13 yes Dec 16 15:07:23 but the freerunner images are in that directory too Dec 16 15:07:44 they are labeled gta02 wheras the neo1973 images are labeled gta01 Dec 16 15:07:51 gta2... sure Dec 16 15:08:02 this is where i start to show my ignorance Dec 16 15:09:08 the uImage is the kernel right? Dec 16 15:09:34 yes Dec 16 15:10:00 and the latest one is the one i take Dec 16 15:10:02 uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Dec 16 15:10:14 instead of the one with the crazy long name Dec 16 15:10:39 ( sorry for stupid questions, just don't want to f*** up ) Dec 16 15:10:50 yes Dec 16 15:12:22 what are the .dot files in those folders? Dec 16 15:14:07 ignore the folders Dec 16 15:22:53 real_ate: if you need an idea for a project: shr/openmoko needs a home/today screen (like om 2007.2 had, qt extended has, most phones have) Dec 16 15:24:52 I wish there was a commit bot for shr' gits Dec 16 15:25:44 ptitjes: well couldn't be that hard to set one up Dec 16 15:26:56 bumbl: home screen... sounds like a must have ;) Dec 16 15:27:07 real_ate: yep Dec 16 15:27:25 but i was thinking... is there any talk of a syncml implementation in any of the distros Dec 16 15:27:26 ? Dec 16 15:27:50 displaying time, missed calls, fastlauncher for the most important apps (dialer, contacts, messages) Dec 16 15:27:53 ptitjes: well we could ask for that Dec 16 15:28:37 real_ate: haven't heard of that one - but this should be implemented in the framework imho Dec 16 15:29:04 s/that/any talk about syncing/ Dec 16 15:29:04 bumbl meant: real_ate: haven't heard of any talk about syncing one - but this should be implemented in the framework imho Dec 16 15:29:16 ah -one Dec 16 15:29:57 and framework is the... eh... Dec 16 15:30:07 still getting used to this :P Dec 16 15:30:15 is it the open embedded framework? Dec 16 15:30:34 real_ate: freesmartphone.org Dec 16 15:30:43 grr :P Dec 16 15:30:47 thanks Dec 16 15:32:02 openembedded ... used for cross compiling + packaging Dec 16 15:32:36 fso = framework = implementation of smartphone standards with the help of dbus Dec 16 15:33:32 you guys have all been very helpful :P Dec 16 15:34:58 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/blog/WhatsNew-2008-12-15 <- have you already read this one? Dec 16 15:35:24 Ainulindale: yeah but then that should be on another channel... Dec 16 15:35:35 Can we ask for that ? Dec 16 15:36:07 Well, we'll see that later on, again, that's not a priority Dec 16 15:36:47 Well, for developing I think this is Dec 16 15:37:16 Do you know there's a gitweb on which you can view all the commits? Dec 16 15:37:37 Yeah but I'm tired to go to the browser and refresh Dec 16 15:37:46 Now I git pull every minute :) Dec 16 15:37:49 Well, don't say it's a priority just because you're lazy then =) Dec 16 15:37:56 héhéhé sorry Dec 16 15:38:51 anyway that would be more efficient to see it on IRC when you always have that window on top Dec 16 15:41:18 Ainulindale: we could set up a git hook to send a mail to ptitjes on commits ;) Dec 16 15:42:06 argh! Dec 16 15:42:57 seriously, might be interested in that too :-) Dec 16 15:43:36 though I agree with Ainulindale that we should focus on getting a stable image first Dec 16 15:44:45 Well, I just think we can't buzz around doing this or that out of convenience Dec 16 15:44:48 This is a wild chase Dec 16 15:45:41 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r81dc88aa7842 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ericsson_F3507g/ (__init__.py channel.py mediator.py modem.py unsolicited.py): Merge commit 'origin/stefan-F3507g' Dec 16 15:45:42 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9e4966d35572 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Dec 16 15:45:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: First working ericsson F3507g modem driver Dec 16 15:45:42 freesmartphone.org: SIM access is working, PDP fails at the moment because the connect Dec 16 15:45:44 freesmartphone.org: script sends an ATZ which the F3507g responds to with ERROR. Dec 16 15:45:46 freesmartphone.org: It seems that changing CSCS has an effect on *all* strings, even CSCS Dec 16 15:45:48 freesmartphone.org: itself and COPS. This will need to be worked around later. Dec 16 15:48:59 ptitjes: Throw this at your favorite RSS reader: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=rss Dec 16 15:49:50 or the one from the SHR repo Dec 16 15:50:16 does anyone here know a thing or two about gtk+? Dec 16 15:50:24 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=rss Dec 16 15:56:12 TAsn: what kind of thing? Dec 16 15:56:17 TAsn: ping Dec 16 15:56:20 TAsn: call doesn't work Dec 16 15:56:32 Users request refresh at runtime Dec 16 15:56:37 (easy to do) Dec 16 15:56:42 (you just have to listen to call status) Dec 16 15:56:47 (and refresh) Dec 16 15:57:24 Ainulindale, I know, refresh when I get a call release Dec 16 15:57:28 mrmoku: see Helge comment Dec 16 15:57:38 ml? Dec 16 15:57:40 Ainulindale, call works here, check if you have the "" bug, if so, update the GUI Dec 16 15:57:44 mrmoku: yes on pythml Dec 16 15:57:45 (nice) Dec 16 15:57:56 TAsn: well, I'll do that then Dec 16 15:58:05 Weiss, I'm trying to make the notebook's tab homogeneous Dec 16 15:58:09 Ainulindale, update the GUI? Dec 16 16:00:10 Ainulindale: yep, will do Dec 16 16:01:19 TAsn: yeah Dec 16 16:01:21 Weiss, for some reason setting the homogeneous property doesn't work. Dec 16 16:01:39 Ainulindale, cool. I currently added icons instead of tab names thanks to sicu. Dec 16 16:03:25 Ainulindale: Good blog post, thanks for the update :) Dec 16 16:07:30 Ainulindale: nice -15 pushes mplayer to consume between 40 and 50% CPU... but I guess that is wanted (needed) Dec 16 16:08:19 Ainulindale: just a quick comment: Not having suspend connected to the power button just sucks. Is this somehow managed in a yaml file so I can change that? Dec 16 16:08:46 mrmoku: well, yeah Dec 16 16:09:01 Flyser_: The power button should trigger the power menu of illume, which can be used to suspend Dec 16 16:09:16 You can unmap that in illume and remap that in rules.yaml (/etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd) Dec 16 16:09:43 Ainulindale: Yes thats what I mean ;-) it sucks not having one button for quick suspend Dec 16 16:10:01 well then I'd suggest you put that in rules.yaml Dec 16 16:10:10 okay Dec 16 16:10:11 You can even put that for a specific delay Dec 16 16:10:31 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml;h=74bc6efc89beb34a2efa8ee5853e592b9de6cdde;hb=HEAD Dec 16 16:10:41 line 31 Dec 16 16:11:13 okay :) thanks Dec 16 16:12:15 ptitjes, here? Dec 16 16:13:48 SHR looks very nice ;) Dec 16 16:14:01 and i've already had my first crash of something ;) lol Dec 16 16:15:15 real_ate: what crashed? Dec 16 16:15:23 Ainulindale: sms Dec 16 16:15:32 Why did it crash? Dec 16 16:15:40 Did you have the pin dialog before clicking on messages? Dec 16 16:15:43 TAsn Dec 16 16:15:50 ... it hasn't asked me for my pin Dec 16 16:15:58 Ainulindale: ha! thats exactly it Dec 16 16:16:13 DocScrutinizer: ping Dec 16 16:16:27 ptitjes, read in pm. Dec 16 16:16:45 TAsn: nice icon for pyphonelog, Hire's? :-) Dec 16 16:16:53 aye ;] Dec 16 16:17:05 Ainulindale, check out http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Dec 16 16:17:18 there are the now tab icons Dec 16 16:17:23 Shiny Dec 16 16:17:26 Ainulindale: can one force a pin read> Dec 16 16:17:27 ? Dec 16 16:17:30 and I added show duration support, tell me what you think. Dec 16 16:17:35 what do you mean by pin read real_ate? Dec 16 16:17:59 the pin dialog hasn't come up... can i force it somehow? Dec 16 16:18:15 check /var/log/ophonekitd.log and pastebin the result please Dec 16 16:18:41 TAsn: sqlite3.OperationalError: Could not decode to UTF-8 column 'number' with text 'ð@-é' Dec 16 16:18:46 BluesLee: pong Dec 16 16:18:48 Meh :-) Dec 16 16:19:01 Ainulindale, weird, I never got that one ;\ Dec 16 16:19:14 I'm doomed, that's why Dec 16 16:19:15 it seems there's a broken column in your sqlite db . Dec 16 16:19:21 Well I just removed it Dec 16 16:19:29 good enough. Dec 16 16:19:32 I'll tell you what it does Dec 16 16:19:38 And complain afterwards no matter what Dec 16 16:20:02 Ainulindale, did you look in scap? Dec 16 16:20:05 Yes Dec 16 16:20:08 Looks nice, as I told Dec 16 16:20:13 what do you think about the duration button? Dec 16 16:20:23 does it "sit" right? Dec 16 16:20:45 Well, there is no duration button here Dec 16 16:20:50 But yes Dec 16 16:20:51 DocScrutinizer: hi, i have a very old sim card Dec 16 16:20:59 It's good enough Dec 16 16:21:10 mmm Dec 16 16:21:24 DocScrutinizer: i guess there is no impact concerning buzz or echo issues Dec 16 16:21:31 nope Dec 16 16:21:42 okay Dec 16 16:21:55 that would be too easy:-) Dec 16 16:22:04 Ainulindale: for some reason dbus is not available :s Dec 16 16:22:07 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/d12e31c5d Dec 16 16:22:15 Known issue Dec 16 16:22:18 Did you download latest? Dec 16 16:22:21 you know, you could call 911 without any simcard, but still you would get same buzz and echo Dec 16 16:22:29 Ainulindale, I just added it... Dec 16 16:22:33 Ok :-) Dec 16 16:22:33 I didn't even commit it. Dec 16 16:22:47 Oh ok :-) Dec 16 16:23:00 Ainulindale: well i think i downloaded latest Dec 16 16:23:11 which one did you download? Dec 16 16:23:19 DocScrutinizer: will there be some statement how om will treat the buzz issue Dec 16 16:24:24 Ainulindale: shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 updated on 15-Dec Dec 16 16:24:29 Ok then Dec 16 16:24:31 Please reboot and retry Dec 16 16:24:39 probably Steve will come up with some suggestion eventually. Not my duty to manage those marketing things Dec 16 16:24:39 This may happen on first boot Dec 16 16:24:56 DocScrutinizer: it makes no sense for me to call my seller and say "i want a new one" as the new one may also fail Dec 16 16:25:13 WILL also fail, for now Dec 16 16:25:42 who is the guy called steve, where can i find him?:-) Dec 16 16:26:06 read the ML Dec 16 16:26:15 just a joke Dec 16 16:26:25 you learn to know Steve there Dec 16 16:27:14 some guys do not have any gsm problems Dec 16 16:27:31 * DocScrutinizer remembers to pack steve's left things to a bag and take it to the office Dec 16 16:28:51 there was a statement that therre will be a statement, but nothing happened Dec 16 16:29:05 hmm steve Dec 16 16:31:11 i don't like what he thinks on certain topics Dec 16 16:31:36 That is to say? Dec 16 16:31:51 e.gkeyboard issue Dec 16 16:31:56 in 20-30 percent of all my calls the neo is unreliable "whats that sound? i will lay up", "thats funny, i like my voice" Dec 16 16:32:07 TAsn: hmm, never seen that i'm afraid (never needed that property). how did you set it? Dec 16 16:32:16 raster: Can we make the illume modules regular e modules? Dec 16 16:32:29 set_property('homogeneous', True) Dec 16 16:32:32 (pytgk) Dec 16 16:32:38 notebook.set_property('homogeneous', True) ... Dec 16 16:32:58 raster: So I can load the GSM module on my laptop without illume active Dec 16 16:33:01 cu Dec 16 16:33:09 Or are there any objections? Dec 16 16:37:07 Ainulindale: yea the pin came up there Dec 16 16:37:10 that would be nice Dec 16 16:37:23 Ainulindale: i have to say, this is a VERY nice distro Dec 16 16:37:30 raster: is it possible to make the position of the keyboard button configurable over e's settings app? Dec 16 16:38:08 real_ate: good to hear :-) Dec 16 16:38:18 (hidden or not hidden by default) Dec 16 16:40:30 Ainulindale: how do you bring up a keyboard in terminal? Dec 16 16:41:25 real_ate: tap on the top bar, it will flap down and there is a qwerty button on the right side Dec 16 16:43:51 btw Ainulindale I really think http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/python-mokoui2_0.1.0+svnr4342_armv4t.ipk is important Dec 16 16:43:58 you should add it to the repos! Dec 16 16:44:22 I think I'mm off. Dec 16 16:44:38 I'm already here for 3 hrs now, and I don't have too much spare time these days. Dec 16 16:44:39 cya. Dec 16 16:50:09 ehi Dec 16 16:50:13 EHI Dec 16 16:50:19 nothing at all Dec 16 16:50:27 heh ;p Dec 16 16:54:23 I'm really happy with my phone! Dec 16 16:54:27 :D Dec 16 16:55:45 me too =] Dec 16 16:56:16 :p Dec 16 16:57:48 you happy with you herd Dave? ;p Dec 16 16:58:42 baaaaah Dec 16 16:58:42 or is it perhaps flock, or maybe just stick with gang Dec 16 16:59:21 gaggle? Dec 16 16:59:21 :D Dec 16 16:59:28 Let's ask raster. Dec 16 17:11:36 btw, solved the tab icons issue Dec 16 17:11:56 already committed that. Dec 16 17:11:58 cya. ;] Dec 16 17:12:17 oh and hire, please make a theme ipk Dec 16 17:12:27 i.e, a wall paper and stuff ;] Dec 16 17:12:30 cya. Dec 16 17:12:43 theme ipk? Dec 16 17:15:36 ah, oh, I see Dec 16 17:17:55 hello, does SHR have known wifi problems, mine often disconnect Dec 16 17:21:45 SHR has little to do with the wifi. Dec 16 17:21:51 That's handled by the kernel. Dec 16 17:22:08 And, yes, wifi with the stable kernels is barely functional. Dec 16 17:22:37 mwester: pleaaaaase package your kernel pleaaaaase Dec 16 17:22:54 no mwester Dec 16 17:22:56 please Dec 16 17:22:59 don't do that Dec 16 17:23:22 RUN!!!! MWESTER RUNN!!111!!!1!!one Dec 16 17:25:35 :P Dec 16 17:32:20 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Dec 16 17:33:03 yeah nice!! Dec 16 17:33:08 rebuilding Dec 16 17:38:58 ah, you got the tabs packed TAsn, nice =] Dec 16 17:39:20 TAsn: you should keep git rev in the package bb Dec 16 17:39:29 that way you wouldn't need to bump PV all the time Dec 16 17:39:52 Ainulindale, please do it, I have no clue how ;] Dec 16 17:39:56 I'll do that. Dec 16 17:43:17 Ainulindale: is it still an issue booting up with usb plugged in, or has this been fixed ? Dec 16 17:46:33 nm, works now .. Dec 16 17:49:08 No idea =) Dec 16 17:55:39 mickey|meeting, Dec 16 17:55:43 Any FSO guys here? Dec 16 18:00:34 How I learned to stop complaining, and love FSO. Dec 16 18:05:33 hehe Dec 16 18:06:03 enjoy some OpenVibe ;p Dec 16 18:07:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe Dec 16 18:09:10 mwester, the thing is that I used SHR's wifi Dec 16 18:09:15 s/wifi/kernel Dec 16 18:09:31 mwester, should I use 2.6.28? Dec 16 18:14:29 good evening ! Dec 16 18:26:24 mmm...2.6.28 changes things in /sys... Dec 16 18:28:10 mabe i should try it? Dec 16 18:28:27 GNUtoo: andy-tracking? Dec 16 18:28:32 yes Dec 16 18:28:42 i am testing it right now Dec 16 18:28:46 wow!!! Dec 16 18:28:56 cause wifi is so unreliable with SHR's kernel Dec 16 18:29:36 lindi-, are you using uboot or qi? Dec 16 18:30:01 GNUtoo: uboot Dec 16 18:30:06 ok Dec 16 18:30:12 i prefer uboot too Dec 16 18:31:10 well, i need the menu Dec 16 18:32:43 me too...by the way if i flash a newer uboot do i still have to enter bootloader commands to load a kernel that is more than 2MB? Dec 16 18:33:41 heyho Dec 16 18:35:44 * MarcOChapeau is actually browsing the docs... wow ! Dec 16 18:36:58 which docs? Dec 16 18:38:23 Ainulindale: wiki Dec 16 18:38:28 OM or SHR? Dec 16 18:38:42 Ainulindale: I figuring out how the boot process works (before init) Dec 16 18:38:53 working on some splash tricks here and there Dec 16 18:39:06 Ainulindale: OM Dec 16 18:39:12 Heh Dec 16 18:39:36 Ainulindale: I want to see if we can have a fb splash without loosing boottime Dec 16 18:40:14 MarcOChapeau: Watch out! Dec 16 18:40:19 Don't speak about that out loud Dec 16 18:40:23 Or mwester will curse you Dec 16 18:40:28 hehe Dec 16 18:40:37 GNUtoo: I use 2.6.28 for like 4 days now. With Qi, of course. Tested WiFi with WPA, it works ok. After resume wpa_supplicant automacitally reestablishes the connection. Dec 16 18:40:47 don't worry, I wear my curse-proof vest Dec 16 18:41:01 PaulFertser_, wow Dec 16 18:41:09 PaulFertser_, i think i'll use it with uboot Dec 16 18:41:34 GNUtoo: why? What don't you like about Qi, really? Dec 16 18:41:45 PaulFertser_, it has no menu Dec 16 18:42:28 GNUtoo: It's not a work of a bootloader to have a menu. Also it has some rudimentary UI, you can skip the kernel it loads atm and it indicates the loading with the red LED. Dec 16 18:42:33 if I flash this uboot: http://people.openmoko.org/andy/u-boot-gta02v5v6-stable_650149a53dbdd48b.udfu will i still need to type uboot command for kenrel >2MB? Dec 16 18:42:49 PaulFertser_, ok Dec 16 18:42:59 Ainulindale: the tough part is finding out what is responsible for the screen blinks... I'd love to have a smooth boot process Dec 16 18:43:13 but that's a problem even on PCs Dec 16 18:43:29 PaulFertser_, what distro do you use? Dec 16 18:43:44 GNUtoo: it'd be really good if someone who needs menu, prepared a decent initramfs with menu and kexec. It's confirmed kexec works ok with zImage, btw. Dec 16 18:43:48 GNUtoo: you can change the uboot env Dec 16 18:43:49 GNUtoo: Debian Dec 16 18:43:52 anybody in here using OMnewRotate? Dec 16 18:44:04 me not Dec 16 18:44:07 PaulFertser_, ok Dec 16 18:45:02 Hire, yes i can but it's not something that i'd like to do evryday because you have to type and you see what you typed after,and you can't paste...at least in minicom Dec 16 18:45:27 GNUtoo: u-boot sucks, get used to it ;) Dec 16 18:45:28 GNUtoo: why not paste? Dec 16 18:45:39 lindi-, cause it doesn't work Dec 16 18:45:41 GNUtoo: just ^a : slowpaste in gnu screen Dec 16 18:45:51 GNUtoo: and you want to use picocom anyway Dec 16 18:46:00 ok i'll use picocom Dec 16 18:55:00 raster, Hey, are there any plans to allow users to change the order of files on the illume desktop? Dec 16 18:55:08 lindi-: I see you're actively testing andy-tracking and filing bug-reports. Have you tried to disable WiFi using FSO's method (which basically performs SIOCGIWTXPOW ioctls)? It doesn't work for me. Dec 16 18:55:20 argh ladies Dec 16 18:55:32 I am still busy with my real work :( Dec 16 18:55:36 PaulFertser_: i prefer FSO to do only GSM Dec 16 18:55:41 PaulFertser_: i have disabled all other subsystems Dec 16 18:56:04 lindi-: How do you control wifi power? Dec 16 18:56:25 Hire, hehe, real work is important, without real work there's no money => no internet => no icons ;] Dec 16 18:56:35 PaulFertser_: i was under the assumption that 'ip link set eth0 down' would cut power Dec 16 18:56:44 Hire, but please, if you can pack a theme (just wallpaper and coloring ;] ) Dec 16 18:56:56 btw guys, any suggestions for gtkrc s? Dec 16 18:57:19 TAsn: yes, I will do it Dec 16 18:57:21 don't worry Dec 16 18:57:29 however... I did it Dec 16 18:57:30 before Dec 16 18:57:34 cool, cause my friends are laughing @ my theme ;\ Dec 16 18:57:47 because they are gay Dec 16 18:59:18 haha ;] Dec 16 18:59:59 Hire, well, they are right. Dec 16 19:00:07 ;] Dec 16 19:00:22 I use the default gtk theme Dec 16 19:00:24 i.e, no theme. Dec 16 19:00:32 and I have a gray background Dec 16 19:00:35 and gray illume bar ;\ Dec 16 19:00:41 i see Dec 16 19:00:51 you can change it to make a bit better Dec 16 19:00:56 how? Dec 16 19:00:57 as om2008.12 does Dec 16 19:01:05 for now, I don't know :) Dec 16 19:01:13 I know I can manually change the wallpaper Dec 16 19:01:18 and change the gtkrc Dec 16 19:01:19 etc etc Dec 16 19:01:28 but I want a complete streamlined theme ;] Dec 16 19:01:41 you can't Dec 16 19:01:48 because it sucks resource Dec 16 19:01:56 and we don't want that Dec 16 19:02:06 yeah we don't. Dec 16 19:02:15 but we do want a decent looking phone Dec 16 19:02:19 sure Dec 16 19:02:24 even at the expense of 0.5hr bat life Dec 16 19:02:28 and you can Dec 16 19:02:40 but you have to edit ghe gtkrc Dec 16 19:02:52 you can use the om2008.12 gtkrc as example Dec 16 19:02:59 I don't wanna do what people have already done. Dec 16 19:03:05 Hire, I know how to edit a gtkrc Dec 16 19:03:26 Hire, would you mind upping the 2008.12's gtkrc for me? Dec 16 19:03:27 perfect :D Dec 16 19:03:37 i don't have that :( Dec 16 19:03:42 you can download him Dec 16 19:03:44 Hire, what I'm not good at is designing. Dec 16 19:03:47 Hire, yeah, I will. Dec 16 19:04:00 http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz Dec 16 19:04:04 although I preferred downloading a 12k file Dec 16 19:04:06 et voilà Dec 16 19:04:08 ;] Dec 16 19:04:14 sorry :D Dec 16 19:04:21 hehe no biggie. Dec 16 19:04:25 are you lazy as ainulindale? :) Dec 16 19:04:26 I need to study anyway Dec 16 19:04:35 Hire, this has nothing to do with laziness. Dec 16 19:04:35 ;] Dec 16 19:04:50 i don't know... Dec 16 19:05:13 Hire, btw, when you have free time Dec 16 19:05:27 epdf view ships without an icon Dec 16 19:05:32 if you can, please make it one. Dec 16 19:06:38 lindi-: After 'ip link...' command eth0 is still present in iwconfig. And iwlist scan gives results. Btw, does it produce a correct result for you when no AP are around? Dec 16 19:07:22 TAsn: sure, I will do it Dec 16 19:07:34 but now I am a bit busy with my real work... :( Dec 16 19:07:50 hey guys i'm looking for the source code gor s3c24xx-gpio any of you know of the top of your head the url? Dec 16 19:07:59 PaulFertser_: i have not tested Dec 16 19:08:19 Hire, as I already said, I gotta respect that. Dec 16 19:08:53 sure, don't worry Dec 16 19:17:22 ? Dec 16 19:19:33 anybody in here know where i can get the s3c24xx-gpio_1.0 source code?? Dec 16 19:22:44 it took me 6 month with my freerunner to finaly noticed I didn't have the CDC ACM module installed on my host system...lol Dec 16 19:23:19 LostInSpace: on the s3c24xx-gpio_1.0 website ? Dec 16 19:24:06 :D Dec 16 19:24:59 MarcOChapeau, sarcasm I take it? Dec 16 19:26:26 LostInSpace: sorry... it's my "relax time after work period" Dec 16 19:26:33 lol Dec 16 19:26:36 it's all good Dec 16 19:26:45 I tend to speak bullshit precisely at 20:26 Dec 16 19:29:30 heuheuhe Dec 16 19:31:43 ~splashscreens Dec 16 19:31:49 er, rather Dec 16 19:31:54 ~curse splashscreens Dec 16 19:32:01 stupid bot. Dec 16 19:32:09 ~lart splashscreens Dec 16 19:32:09 * bzzbot hauls splashscreens up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles Dec 16 19:32:18 Not quite the same. :( Dec 16 19:36:18 ~lart myself Dec 16 19:36:18 * bzzbot whips myself with a wet and grimy noodle just because Dec 16 19:36:30 uhm Dec 16 19:36:44 ~lart himself Dec 16 19:36:44 * bzzbot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, himself, this won't hurt a bit...." Dec 16 19:36:44 * mrmoku thinks noodle fits Hire ;) Dec 16 19:41:36 who is Zorkman Dec 16 19:41:52 grr goddamn you bzzbot Dec 16 19:42:11 bzzbot: Get apt in here Dec 16 19:45:24 quote FIC Dec 16 19:45:33 bzzbot quote FIC Dec 16 19:45:35 FIC: 13.96 (14.00/13.39), 12/16/2008 2:30pm, Opened 13.40, Volume 207,480, Change +0.74 Dec 16 19:45:48 bzzbot who is Zorkman Dec 16 19:45:48 extra, extra, read all about it, zorkman is the smartest man on earth Dec 16 19:46:00 thank you bzzbot Dec 16 19:46:00 de nada, Zorkman Dec 16 19:46:10 :) Dec 16 19:47:05 openmoko is not even on the products page of FIC: http://www.fic.com.tw/product/default.aspx Dec 16 19:47:08 can andy's kernel mount flash filsystem? Dec 16 19:47:11 they don't want to be associated with it :) Dec 16 19:48:15 because i think i've a kernel pannic because he can't find the rootfs Dec 16 19:48:21 bzzbot what is scap? Dec 16 19:48:21 [scap] a place to post loading-screens Dec 16 19:48:42 [some number] (pannic+0x0/0x140) Dec 16 19:48:53 etc... Dec 16 19:50:07 ah yes it's a kernel pannic...it's flashing red Dec 16 19:51:44 GNUtoo: i booted stock 2007 from NAND with andy-tracking also in NAND, so i assume yes ;) Dec 16 19:52:32 PaulFertser_, so why it kernel pannics...should i put another kenrel command line argument? Dec 16 19:54:15 i'll try qi Dec 16 19:54:40 GNUtoo: i can say what command line i used (hardcoded in Qi): init=/sbin/init ro rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 Dec 16 19:55:04 ok i'll look thanks Dec 16 19:55:13 GNUtoo: with long mtdparts= as well (should be the same in u-boot, i guess) Dec 16 19:55:58 Zorkman: OM isn't FIC, and FIC doesn't wn OM. So why should OM be mentioned on some FIC-page? Dec 16 19:56:39 s/wn/own/ Dec 16 19:56:39 DocScrutinizer meant: Zorkman: OM isn't FIC, and FIC doesn't own OM. So why should OM be mentioned on some FIC-page? Dec 16 19:56:47 ah my bad DocScrutinizer; I thought that OM was a part of FIC, or subsidiesed by it Dec 16 19:57:06 once upon a time, maybe yes Dec 16 19:57:23 so there are no (substantial) ties between them anymore? Dec 16 19:57:29 anyway, those times are gone forever ;-) Dec 16 19:57:34 nope Dec 16 19:57:42 afaik Dec 16 19:59:12 there are some sgareholders, that own FIC share as well as OM share, if I got that right. But FIC is just one of OM's contractors for FAB Dec 16 19:59:39 i have bootargs_base=glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot Dec 16 19:59:41 s/ sg/ sh/ Dec 16 19:59:42 DocScrutinizer meant: there are some shareholders, that own FIC share as well as OM share, if I got that right. But FIC is just one of OM's contractors for FAB Dec 16 19:59:56 so i'll add the init thing Dec 16 20:00:18 ah sorry that was uboot and not kernel Dec 16 20:00:32 DocScrutinizer; you probably can't answer, but it's worth a shot: how many FR are sold? :) Dec 16 20:00:58 I can, but I mustn't ;-) Dec 16 20:01:50 hehe, i meant you're not allowed :) Dec 16 20:01:59 do you have any idea if it will be revealed in the near future? Dec 16 20:02:12 or if we would be amazed by the amount, or rather dissapointed Dec 16 20:02:44 what I can say: I wish it was maore, but then I'm glad we don't have more buzz to fix, and I hope we sell a whole bunch of the new shiny fixed ones ;-) Dec 16 20:03:45 :) Dec 16 20:03:51 is the pdf with instructions final? Dec 16 20:04:02 naer to, i'd say Dec 16 20:04:03 and has there been extensive testing if it really fixes it all, without sideeffects? Dec 16 20:04:22 nope, that's why it's not final ;-) Dec 16 20:04:26 and the audio hardware fix; does this make a big difference? Dec 16 20:04:29 GNUtoo: Just mounted flash on the running system (had to exit X though): /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/flash jffs2 rw,noatime 0 0 Dec 16 20:04:40 Zorkman: huh? Dec 16 20:04:51 the lack of bass Dec 16 20:04:54 PaulFertser_, ok i'll try uboot commands Dec 16 20:04:55 you mean the lowcut issue? Dec 16 20:05:00 yes Dec 16 20:05:01 ah yes Dec 16 20:05:12 is it really a big difference? Dec 16 20:05:26 because i'm thinking of doing (with some help) a little rework in the near future Dec 16 20:05:28 well, it's like the bass speaker of your box is broken Dec 16 20:06:02 GPS is acceptable; but do you have some info of the difference between a only software fix vs softwarefix AND hw fix? Dec 16 20:06:35 actually the sw-fix is way better, as it stops clock completely Dec 16 20:07:34 And when the data is read, it still produces less interference because of lower drive strength, right?+ Dec 16 20:07:37 for the time you actually access sd, the sw reduces drivepower, and the hw even more attenuates the bad freq Dec 16 20:07:59 :-) right Dec 16 20:10:04 PaulFertser_, sould i reflash the root filesystem after the kernel? Dec 16 20:11:24 Hello, Anybody here working on the Glamo 3D driver? Dec 16 20:11:45 GNUtoo: What for? Dec 16 20:12:26 And what's even more interesting about the SW fix is that it slows down the SD card speed by a factor of 8 when the GPS is active ---- but nobody seems to have ever noticed the performance difference! Dec 16 20:12:27 PaulFertser_, i've a question...did the kernel overwriten my rootfs? Dec 16 20:12:57 I'll bring a spoonfull of 100uF to 25C3 :-) Dec 16 20:13:15 which implies that the whole issue of SD card speed is not really a big issue at all, at least once the phone is up and running. Dec 16 20:13:21 GNUtoo: If you did it right, then no. You should have used dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage... command. Dec 16 20:13:37 PaulFertser_, i used that Dec 16 20:14:03 mwester: huh, it does? I never knew :-o Dec 16 20:14:08 GNUtoo: then you should have you rootfs intact, i hope. Dec 16 20:14:42 GNUtoo: can you see bootmessages actually? Add loglevel=8 to the command line. Dec 16 20:14:54 yes i could Dec 16 20:15:03 Hey Dec 16 20:15:04 it was saying something about mount Dec 16 20:15:15 DocScrutinizer: It does! :) I was kinda surprised too when I ported Andy's changes back to the GTA01, but I figured if nobody complained with the GTA02, I'd just make the GTA01 also 8x slower. The result is that I get a signal lock with the GTA01 with it lying on its back on my desk. Awesome. Dec 16 20:16:21 so this /8 is all the time while gps-dev is open() ? Dec 16 20:17:43 Actually the /8 is triggered by the GPS being powered up. Dec 16 20:17:44 or what is it the sd driver is looking for to decide on doing /8 ? Dec 16 20:18:07 ahhhh, and nobody ever noticed?! muahahaaa Dec 16 20:18:29 could it be switched off? Dec 16 20:18:36 (the /8) Dec 16 20:18:40 Yes. Dec 16 20:18:54 /sys ? Dec 16 20:18:56 The divisor is set via commmad line when the kernel is booted Dec 16 20:19:09 gnnn Dec 16 20:19:17 There is also a /sys interface, but I don't know if it works after the driver is initialized or not. Dec 16 20:19:35 ok for boot, but later on i'd expect some /sys access Dec 16 20:19:45 ah, there is /sys Dec 16 20:19:49 Lemme check the code a moment. Dec 16 20:20:07 ah, nevermind. Need to go to sleep anyway Dec 16 20:20:13 Ok, not tested, but the way it's written you shoudl be able to switch on the fly. Dec 16 20:20:20 not that important, just was curious Dec 16 20:20:59 mwester: thanks for spotting this anyway :-) Dec 16 20:21:21 Iit's all part of the bigger picture, especially for those who may think that the hardware fix is the only fix. In fact, like everything else, there's no reason to generate high-power, or high-clock if you don't need it. Dec 16 20:21:44 * DocScrutinizer away, mumbling Dec 16 20:22:25 that's very good news, I was considering if I wanted to have some soldering done Dec 16 20:23:50 gurugentoo: I was wondering too. After my testing, I see absolutely no reason to risk my phone with a soldering iron in my hands! Dec 16 20:24:15 I'm entirely too clumbsy for such small parts. Dec 16 20:24:45 hey Dec 16 20:24:53 ophonekitd: symbol lookup error: ophonekitd: undefined symbol: fwdHandlers Dec 16 20:24:58 I've soldered smd boards before but it's certainly not fun Dec 16 20:25:55 dos1: post a bug on trac ;) or poke quickdev Dec 16 20:26:56 but i think this is my fault, i'm only asking what i did wrong Dec 16 20:26:57 ;] Dec 16 20:27:51 opkg wants all the time to upgrade ophonekitd to non-existent version 0.0.1+r12-gitr5b4f270c066b604457e78e8e37f2211e73cec134-r12.1 Dec 16 20:28:03 ever if i delete all files in /etc/opkg Dec 16 20:34:41 hello is my flash content gone...because i've No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" Dec 16 20:34:52 or is it just my uboot env? Dec 16 20:35:30 i've done a defaultenv Dec 16 20:35:40 mabe that's because of that Dec 16 20:35:44 and of course i sasved Dec 16 20:35:50 s/sasved/saved Dec 16 20:36:32 sd Dec 16 20:37:16 GNUtoo: i get this usually when usb is not plugged in correctly Dec 16 20:37:25 ah ok Dec 16 20:38:17 Who's working on FSO HEAD atm? I decided to live on the edge again and installed it from git. Now i can't see my sms because it seems it doesn't import TP_MTI_INCOMING from ogsmd.gsm.const though it tries to use it. Results in traceback. Dec 16 20:40:04 how does the lock in shr work, read something about aux on planet, but aux doesnt give me anything Dec 16 20:40:48 BluesLee, latest image? have you cleaned ~/.e ? :) Dec 16 20:41:34 quickdev: power button works, aux - not Dec 16 20:41:36 quickdev: hope you like my commits :-) Dec 16 20:41:54 dos1, BluesLee, latest image? Dec 16 20:41:56 what is this, i get sometimes a black screen Dec 16 20:42:12 booting from nor...and flashing qi Dec 16 20:42:12 latest image but didnt cleaned .e Dec 16 20:42:35 quickdev: opkg upgrade from unstable Dec 16 20:42:42 mrmoku, concerning the special chars in messages? Of course I like them ;) Dec 16 20:43:07 quickdev: your package from unstable does not work with the lastest image, outgoing call crashes everytime Dec 16 20:43:26 BluesLee, I'm going to download unstable now Dec 16 20:43:35 dos1, downloading that image now Dec 16 20:43:53 i actually have setted ArteK's app clock&lock on aux button by oevents rules Dec 16 20:44:22 bumbl, no it was u-boot that was messed-up Dec 16 20:44:33 now it boots fine with qi Dec 16 20:47:18 quickdev: do you have plans for folders? especially sent messages? Dec 16 20:47:38 before there was a better effect: power brings up illume suspend/etc screen and auto suspends if nothing is pressed, now i have to choose it Dec 16 20:47:47 mrmoku, I think we should integrate folders, but there's no backend for it atm Dec 16 20:57:43 quickdev: another thing waiting for opimd? Dec 16 20:58:12 mrmoku, probably, yes Dec 16 20:59:25 quickdev: Ainulindale said you're working on a navit efl frontend? Dec 16 20:59:52 yes, but it still needs muuch time ;) Dec 16 21:00:03 heh can imagine that :) Dec 16 21:01:34 Ainulindale isn't happy with that though Dec 16 21:01:58 * mrmoku can imagine also that :-) Dec 16 21:02:06 Happy with what? Dec 16 21:02:12 I'm not happy with anything usually Dec 16 21:02:17 haha Dec 16 21:02:20 I'm old grumpy Ainu Dec 16 21:02:39 Ainulindale: thought you were happy with your guitar ;) Dec 16 21:02:46 yep Dec 16 21:02:51 and with your music Dec 16 21:02:56 + coding Dec 16 21:04:21 Music, woooh Dec 16 21:04:24 That's a big word Dec 16 21:04:29 I'm attempting to play music Dec 16 21:04:35 The result, is, well, quite different Dec 16 21:04:47 * bumbl has given up to make music Dec 16 21:04:56 And I don't have enough time to code the way I'd like to code (that is to say well enough) Dec 16 21:05:12 Furthermore little imps like quickdev or ptitjes keep inserting bugs into my code Dec 16 21:05:19 haha Dec 16 21:05:26 Ainulindale: you said you want some bb's - something specific? Dec 16 21:05:33 can make some buggy ones if you want... Dec 16 21:05:39 there's a ticket for that on the wiki mrmoku Dec 16 21:05:41 and little noobs like bumbl are going on your bb nerves Dec 16 21:05:42 look for feed Dec 16 21:05:50 bumbl: on my bumbl nerves Dec 16 21:05:56 Don't worry though =) Dec 16 21:05:58 hehe Dec 16 21:06:02 But anyway Dec 16 21:06:06 I have something to cook Dec 16 21:06:49 snails? Dec 16 21:07:17 eheh Dec 16 21:07:24 he prefers italian food Dec 16 21:07:33 so do I! Dec 16 21:07:40 cool Dec 16 21:07:50 but we know that Dec 16 21:07:56 Heh Dec 16 21:07:57 No Dec 16 21:07:59 :| Dec 16 21:08:02 go away Dec 16 21:08:02 Some kind of tandoori chicken Dec 16 21:08:08 tandoori? Dec 16 21:08:14 Though adapted to my girl's taste Dec 16 21:08:18 what the frack is it? Dec 16 21:08:26 Hire: You filthy twat Dec 16 21:08:32 ahh Dec 16 21:08:34 indian food Dec 16 21:08:46 it's pretty good. Although I don't know what "adapted" might mean ;) Dec 16 21:08:52 Well Dec 16 21:08:54 More vegetables Dec 16 21:08:56 Less spicy Dec 16 21:09:02 I'll add tons of pepper for myself Dec 16 21:09:06 But she doesn't like it Dec 16 21:09:09 nono i know it ... Dec 16 21:09:20 you can put some paprika on it ;) Dec 16 21:09:35 with prezzemolo Dec 16 21:09:42 "Appelez-nous avant de retourner ca produit." Dec 16 21:09:54 * mwester turns the manual over. Dec 16 21:09:54 "ce" Dec 16 21:09:59 not ca Dec 16 21:10:22 Hire: well I made my own tandoori/massala recipe Dec 16 21:10:27 There's no paprika in it Dec 16 21:10:29 marsala? Dec 16 21:10:34 massala, no marsala Dec 16 21:10:39 ah ok :D Dec 16 21:10:39 Even though marsala is good Dec 16 21:10:46 hmm Dec 16 21:10:46 indeed Dec 16 21:10:56 mhhhmmm curry Dec 16 21:11:00 Can't make a good tiramisu without my bottle of marsala Dec 16 21:11:01 It's not confidence-inspiring when the topmost item in the documentation for your new printer is such a notice... Dec 16 21:11:06 + chicken Dec 16 21:11:14 and mascarpone ;) Dec 16 21:11:30 it isn't a tiramisù without him Dec 16 21:12:10 mwester: well ... the most important thing first Dec 16 21:12:16 however I prefer alchermes for tiramisù Dec 16 21:12:47 Hire, tiramisu with curry, checken, mascarpone and Ainu's bottle of marsala? Dec 16 21:12:53 s/checken/chicken/ Dec 16 21:12:54 quickdev meant: Hire, tiramisu with curry, chicken, mascarpone and Ainu's bottle of marsala? Dec 16 21:13:22 oh my god Dec 16 21:13:34 i have to test the tiramisu with the curry ! thx for the idea! Dec 16 21:13:49 argh..what's going on with italians culture :) Dec 16 21:13:57 indeed Dec 16 21:14:31 i am going to ruin the italians culture Dec 16 21:21:11 Ainulindale: hmm, can't close tickets Dec 16 21:25:24 how do you go out of suspend with 2.6.28? Dec 16 21:27:49 Hire: don't forget the alcohol Dec 16 21:28:07 although I bet you won't Dec 16 21:33:05 GNUtoo: just fine ;) Dec 16 21:33:48 PaulFertser_, how do you meant something like HOWTO? Dec 16 21:33:52 s/?// Dec 16 21:33:52 GNUtoo meant: PaulFertser_, how do you meant something like HOWTO Dec 16 21:34:19 GNUtoo: just kidding. I press POWER button or insert usb or receive a call and it unsuspends. Dec 16 21:34:47 because pressing on the suspend button for one sec didn't put the device out of suspend Dec 16 21:35:51 neither does usb Dec 16 21:37:07 GNUtoo: too bad... what kernel rev are you using? Dec 16 21:37:19 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-GTA02_andy-tracking_49cff03d0e867b06-mokodev #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 5 12:05:07 GMT 2008 armv4tl unknown Dec 16 21:37:58 GNUtoo: not found in git. Is it too old with the resume broken? I bet you downloaded it from Andy's directory? ;) Dec 16 21:38:10 yes Dec 16 21:38:23 GNUtoo: Wanna grab mine? Dec 16 21:38:27 yes Dec 16 21:38:47 PaulFertser_, and how do you compile one...i know how to use oe? Dec 16 21:40:14 s/?// Dec 16 21:40:15 GNUtoo meant: PaulFertser_, and how do you compile one...i know how to use oe Dec 16 21:40:24 GNUtoo: i compiled mine without OE, toolchain i downloaded years ago for hx4700 was enough (though beware its libgcc, it's armv5 specific). Dec 16 21:40:59 ok Dec 16 21:41:27 GNUtoo: compiling is easy, adjust build from Andy's sources to your liking and copy defconfig to .config, then ./build Dec 16 21:41:40 ok Dec 16 21:41:50 GNUtoo: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_a-t_c59a8bdc7ca4b547.bin Dec 16 21:42:09 GNUtoo: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/modules-GTA02_a-t_c59a8bdc7ca4b547.tar.gz Dec 16 21:42:20 GNUtoo: you'll need modules for GPRS Dec 16 21:42:30 i don't use gprs yet... Dec 16 21:43:04 thanks a lot Dec 16 21:43:12 And bluetooth doesn't resume in that revision, unfortunately. Dec 16 21:43:28 can bluetooth be desactivated at boot? Dec 16 21:43:47 GNUtoo: not sure. It can be easily deactivated after boot though. Dec 16 21:44:08 yes but desactivating it manually each time it boots could be annoying Dec 16 21:44:57 GNUtoo: do it automatically then ;) Dec 16 21:45:13 that what I meant when I said at boot Dec 16 21:45:21 not at the stage of the bootloadder Dec 16 21:45:23 Ainulindale: whom should i contact to report breakage in sms.py in current FSO HEAD? Dec 16 21:45:27 but somewhere during the boot process Dec 16 21:46:28 GNUtoo: echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-bt/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on should be enough Dec 16 21:46:58 yes but the problem is where to put this line so it's executed each time it boots Dec 16 21:47:13 Well, it depends... Dec 16 21:47:20 I use SHR Dec 16 21:48:42 ptitjes, here? Dec 16 21:50:04 PaulFertser_, in your kernel can wifi be disabled?(that is to say ifconfig eth0 down so it consume less power) Dec 16 21:50:06 ? Dec 16 21:50:09 quickdev: could you please explain, what should i do to report an easily-fixable breakage in sms.py in current FSO HEAD? Dec 16 21:50:51 PaulFertser_, try to bug alphaone, mickey|meeting or stefan_schmidt :) Dec 16 21:50:58 GNUtoo: doesn't seem so :( I was going to either ask Andy or look at sources, but as it doesn't bother me, i've yet to do it. Dec 16 21:51:26 PaulFertser_, but if so it would consume a lot of power Dec 16 21:51:35 PaulFertser_: Please submit a patch Dec 16 21:51:42 or send me one Dec 16 21:52:08 alphaone: i'm not a python programmer and not sure in my skills. I can show it on pastebin atm and you'll decide what to do, ok? ;) Dec 16 21:52:21 GNUtoo: I don't really care. Too many computers around ;) Dec 16 21:52:22 GNUtoo: tell me too if you figure out what is needed to poweroff wifi Dec 16 21:52:34 PaulFertser_: Sure Dec 16 21:53:02 lindi-, i know a little bit C...but i don't know the kernel...so i don't think i would be able to make a patch Dec 16 21:53:03 That breakage was there for a long time... Noone has been using the master branch for a while it seems. Dec 16 21:54:01 alphaone: http://pastebin.com/m24df684f Dec 16 21:54:58 alphaone: should i continue using it then? Dec 16 21:55:41 PaulFertser_: Well, it's just because I'm a lazy ass that it's not fixed yet Dec 16 21:55:43 alphaone: and, could you please tell me, who exactly except mickey|meeting can look at gsm modem logs where i reproduced unable to suspend issue? Dec 16 21:56:33 PaulFertser_: I could if I had time. You could also try shoragan or stefan_schmidt Dec 16 21:57:50 PaulFertser_: The patch doesn't seem to fix the issue I was seeing.. Does SMS work for you with that patch applied? Dec 16 21:58:37 alphaone: I can see all my sms's in Zhone after the sim is ready. And i deleted several and the list was properly reloaded. Dec 16 21:58:59 ptitjes, here? :) Dec 16 21:59:00 okay, sound fine Dec 16 22:02:05 alphaone: And what's the issue you were seeing? I'd like to be ready to face it :) Dec 16 22:02:12 Where can I fetch Ecalc? Dec 16 22:03:17 yo quickdev Dec 16 22:04:23 ptitjes, have you already tested shr-unstable? Dec 16 22:04:32 Ainulindale, here? Dec 16 22:09:54 I've teste stable + unstable (ophonekit+phonegui-efl+pyphonelog) Dec 16 22:10:13 quickdev: And it works very very well Dec 16 22:10:16 :) Dec 16 22:10:30 though I've minor usability griefs... Dec 16 22:12:02 Your work and and the one of TAsn makes for me a phone that I am happy with Dec 16 22:12:15 ptitjes, I just booted unstable and once I wanted to initiate an outgoing call, the last message was from phonlog "new call". Then I checked the processes. Ophonekitd wasn't running anymore and even frameworkd wasn't there. Then I had a look a the recipe. shr-unstable uses frameworkd-devel. I think that's the problem. I'm going to disable frameworkd-devel to only have unstable versions of the shr apps - that's enough unstability I Dec 16 22:12:15 think :) Dec 16 22:12:21 ptitjes, ;] Dec 16 22:12:47 btw, since you already mentioned pyphonelog, I just added refresh on runtime support Dec 16 22:12:58 quickdev: a bit Dec 16 22:13:03 it currently has a possible race condition situation Dec 16 22:13:14 rut roh Dec 16 22:13:16 Ainulindale, just remove frameworkd-devel from shr-unstable - it's too broken Dec 16 22:13:24 quickdev: that is what I'm doing too Dec 16 22:13:33 quickdev: Not right now Dec 16 22:13:39 And I think, not in general Dec 16 22:13:42 Ainulindale, already did it Dec 16 22:13:47 Well then I have to disagree Dec 16 22:13:48 and it refreshes all the lists when a release status is received. Dec 16 22:13:57 tell me why :) Dec 16 22:14:04 Unstable is unstable, you can flash testing and upgrade the package you need from the unstable feed Dec 16 22:14:06 this isn't that bad, it can be better though ;] Dec 16 22:14:16 Unstable is there also to test new functionnalities in frameworkd Dec 16 22:14:32 Ainulindale, there's also fso-unstable Dec 16 22:14:40 fso unstable doesn't come with SHR Dec 16 22:14:55 fso unstable is an autonomous image Dec 16 22:15:00 fso unstable doesn't come with SHR Dec 16 22:15:01 (again ) Dec 16 22:15:07 Listen, we'll talk about that on the ML Dec 16 22:15:25 I strongly think frameworkd-devel is interesting Dec 16 22:15:35 But that's my opinion Dec 16 22:15:49 Nothing forbids you to flash unstable and replace frameworkd, though =) Dec 16 22:16:29 Ainulindale, and nothing fobrids to have frameworkd-stable and then install frameworkd-devel, right? More people want a stable framewrokd than an unstable Dec 16 22:16:42 These people should install testing, not unstable Dec 16 22:16:50 Unstable is unstable, else it's not unstable :-) Dec 16 22:17:13 and what's with people who want only unsable shr apps? shr-unstable should have that meaning ....my opinion Dec 16 22:17:23 I see your point, I just disagree :-) Dec 16 22:17:30 And I'm willing to talk about that, but not here, on the ML Dec 16 22:17:34 To keep track of that Dec 16 22:17:45 We won't find out everyone's opinion here: -) Dec 16 22:18:07 quickdev: but my point in using frameworkd-devel is to be able to work on new features Dec 16 22:18:17 We could work with a fixed frameworkd-devel revision :-) Dec 16 22:18:24 AUTOREV isn't mandatory, to me Dec 16 22:18:43 Point is, let say there's a gap of 1 month between opimd implementation/tests and next MS Dec 16 22:18:45 Ainulindale, fixed frameworkd-devel is ok....if the common features are working Dec 16 22:18:51 We will want to be able to test these Dec 16 22:18:54 See my point? Dec 16 22:19:15 I agree with you, having a non working version is far too much Dec 16 22:19:18 yeah, of course I do Dec 16 22:19:24 But I disagree with you on the fact that we should stick to SHR unstable Dec 16 22:19:32 Because unstable will be the good path for EFL_SRCREV bumps Dec 16 22:19:36 And that will be HUGELY unstable Dec 16 22:20:03 So let's talk about that over the ML, will you ? :-) Dec 16 22:20:15 What we should do about unstable, wrt third party Dec 16 22:22:04 Hire, what about an icon for pyphonelog? :) Dec 16 22:22:11 He already did that Dec 16 22:22:22 not in unstable yet Dec 16 22:22:27 * fgau prefer pyneo.org :D Dec 16 22:22:37 That's because nobody built it quickdev :-p Dec 16 22:23:25 Ainulindale, have you tested my ui lately? Dec 16 22:23:27 But Hire also told he will create yet a better one... :) Dec 16 22:24:05 Ultimately Phonelog would be accessible from the dialer (in place of the close button) Dec 16 22:24:06 quickdev: yesterday, not today, too much work :-) Dec 16 22:24:14 But that is my view Dec 16 22:24:15 I'll install it tonight for tomorrow, I think Dec 16 22:24:31 PYNEO STRIKES BACK? Dec 16 22:24:43 But I'll keep the older one at hand because I expect a call tomorrow :-) Dec 16 22:24:45 Ainulindale, I'd appreciate that. We should move it to shr-testing soon Dec 16 22:24:56 for me it's working since 3 days Dec 16 22:25:01 DOLF Dec 16 22:25:02 quickdev: well, I'd like some comments on that from other people Dec 16 22:25:04 From dolf1074 for instance :-) Dec 16 22:25:10 heehee Dec 16 22:25:10 quickdev: I trust you when you say it's stable Dec 16 22:25:18 But see, I experienced three bugs in ten minutes Dec 16 22:25:19 hey folks Dec 16 22:25:21 Two of them being segfaults Dec 16 22:25:24 Ainulindale, I didn't say it's stable. I said for me it's stable ;) Dec 16 22:25:32 quickdev: well you got my point anyway :-) Dec 16 22:25:34 Ainulindale, install the debug packages Dec 16 22:25:42 quickdev: I can't do that these days, you know Dec 16 22:25:43 and start it with gdb ;) Dec 16 22:25:43 Dave: you're so uncool Dec 16 22:25:48 * mrmoku is playing pingus :-) Dec 16 22:25:51 Too much work unfortunately Dec 16 22:25:52 hey dolf1074 Dec 16 22:25:56 quickdev: I'd do that if I could Dec 16 22:26:09 quickdev: but my point is, you should stress test it Dec 16 22:26:13 Ainulindale, it would be easier for people to download shr-unstable without frameworkd-devel to test that things :) Dec 16 22:26:16 I'd say, try to add 10 contacts in a row Dec 16 22:26:25 fgau, thanks for your input. Dec 16 22:26:31 Ainulindale, I will :) Dec 16 22:26:38 quickdev: well, adding the unstable feed to testing and updating libframeworkd-phonegui-efl works here Dec 16 22:26:45 It's a two minute job :-) Dec 16 22:26:51 Dave: you're not welcome! Dec 16 22:26:58 jerk :P Dec 16 22:27:03 I want to do a stress test Dec 16 22:27:04 quickdev: try to stress test it, ask for help, you're entitled to help Dec 16 22:27:08 Ah, there you are Dec 16 22:27:11 First guinea pig Dec 16 22:27:44 Ainulindale: just burn the testing image and adding the unstable feed? Dec 16 22:27:54 Add the unstable feed, and just upgrade libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Dec 16 22:28:02 No more no less Dec 16 22:28:13 also if I know my shr is a little outdated? Dec 16 22:28:20 reflash then Dec 16 22:28:28 but reflash testing, I'd say Dec 16 22:28:42 okay Dec 16 22:29:07 quickdev: Anyway, regarding our discussion Dec 16 22:29:25 I won't decide all of that by myself, that's why I think you should open that to ML discussion Dec 16 22:30:01 I'm not egocentric enough to say my opinion is *the* one Dec 16 22:30:05 (although it's like that) Dec 16 22:30:21 (but that's mainly because I rock) Dec 16 22:30:34 That would be too mainstream OM of you :P Dec 16 22:30:41 *cough* Sean *cough* Dec 16 22:30:43 Ainulindale: you watch House? Dec 16 22:30:49 dolf1074: Ahem Dec 16 22:30:51 You know Dec 16 22:30:54 People at work call me House Dec 16 22:31:07 compliment ;) Dec 16 22:31:07 Mainly because I'm a redheaded grumpy bearded bastard Dec 16 22:31:28 dolf1074, I'd appreciate if you test the new libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 Dec 16 22:31:28 Ainulindale: where should application icons be installed to (untill Hire makes some SHR specific one)? Dec 16 22:31:35 Well, I still didn't ponder the good or bad part in this nickname Dec 16 22:31:45 quickdev: I will ;) Dec 16 22:31:45 mrmoku: Hire already did icons for SHR Dec 16 22:31:51 mrmoku: didn't quite get your question there Dec 16 22:32:02 Ainulindale: I know, but I packaged pingus... and he did not yet do a pingus icon ;) Dec 16 22:32:09 Aaaah I love you for that Dec 16 22:32:20 Well, see the mofi package Dec 16 22:32:29 I think it installs the icon somewhere Dec 16 22:32:35 quickdev: just so you know Dec 16 22:32:48 I'm a bit afraid of putting your version into testing for ONE reason :-) Dec 16 22:32:59 You should do tiny commits Dec 16 22:33:03 Not BIG ones like you did :-) Dec 16 22:33:11 I had a wonderful idea : Let's make a stress test party! Dec 16 22:33:14 Do one step at a time, this is easier to track down, easier to switch Dec 16 22:33:28 You should have done your rework before any kind of revamping, for instance Dec 16 22:33:37 yep, have to agree - small commits are IMPORTANT :-) Dec 16 22:33:38 That way people would have been able to test the rework before the revamp :-) Dec 16 22:34:21 quickdev: IMHO, you did that because you want to deliver a "perfect" software with new shiny features and hidden naked pictures Dec 16 22:34:28 But unfortunately that's hard for testers :-) Dec 16 22:34:38 (for the naked pictures try to type in "ainu" on the dialer) Dec 16 22:34:52 i want some quickdev's naked pictures Dec 16 22:35:01 i want to see how much sex is him Dec 16 22:35:03 Ainulindale: I will report a bug if a don't find it Dec 16 22:35:08 Heh :-) Dec 16 22:35:12 I will enjoy closing it then Dec 16 22:35:24 Though if you want a special treat, wait for a minute Dec 16 22:35:24 with a nice wontfix? Dec 16 22:35:28 Ainulindale, the rework was because of the revamp. I could not use the all of the old parts, although I copied many lines of code ;) Dec 16 22:35:42 quickdev: I know, but that's my point Dec 16 22:35:46 You dive into the code Dec 16 22:35:54 Let sit and talk about it first :-) Dec 16 22:36:09 I already have one ptitjes, please don't be the second one :-) Dec 16 22:36:19 quickdev: I know how it feels. Rewriting is sometimes faster/easier. But for the rest of the folks it's easier for doing small steps at a time Dec 16 22:36:25 dolf1074: http://www.ainulindale.net/images/rhps/viol-janet.jpg Dec 16 22:36:35 (My 18th birthday) Dec 16 22:36:44 (I'm not the lovely ass, I'm the guy with the pantyhose) Dec 16 22:36:49 I already though I saw you on the picture Dec 16 22:36:56 what? Dec 16 22:37:13 dolf1074: Here you go, no bug report now :-) Dec 16 22:37:21 And you can blackmail me Dec 16 22:37:32 oh my god... Dec 16 22:37:36 where did you buy that nice white underware ? ;1;2~) Dec 16 22:37:36 black mails, hmmmmmm Dec 16 22:37:48 ~lart Ainulindale Dec 16 22:37:48 * bzzbot wallops Ainulindale with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long Dec 16 22:38:01 (That was for the Rocky Horror Picture SHow, for those wondering...) Dec 16 22:38:12 sure i know it Dec 16 22:38:22 because the dir is named "rhps" Dec 16 22:38:22 Which is slightly different from the Rwhitby Horror Buildhost Show Dec 16 22:38:37 lol :) Dec 16 22:39:05 ainulindale: you aren't virgin now .. Dec 16 22:39:17 do you know that rules, isn't? Dec 16 22:39:23 Which one? Dec 16 22:39:33 if it is the first time Dec 16 22:39:52 that you have joined at an show of rhps Dec 16 22:39:55 Errr Dec 16 22:39:58 you have been "tagged" as virgin Dec 16 22:40:07 I've been, well, approximatively 100 times at the RHPS Dec 16 22:40:15 ahhh ok :) Dec 16 22:40:20 Even done Rocky & Brad loads of time myself Dec 16 22:40:24 (Done as in played) Dec 16 22:40:28 sadly, for me, only one time. viareggio Dec 16 22:40:43 i did the time warp :) Dec 16 22:41:00 ( wow, another rhps' fan :D ) Dec 16 22:41:07 Hire: hehe :) Dec 16 22:41:28 howevere Dec 16 22:41:53 Man, I have truly old pictures on this website Dec 16 22:41:56 ainulindale, you are beautiful Dec 16 22:42:07 I even have pictures back from when I had piercings Dec 16 22:42:27 i want to see it Dec 16 22:42:39 Nein Dec 16 22:43:15 :( Dec 16 22:43:26 Well anyway, I have to leave, tomorrow at 7 I'll be at the airport Dec 16 22:43:32 And I still have to watch a show Dec 16 22:43:50 So be back there intermittently Dec 16 22:44:22 Ainulindale, have a good day then Dec 16 22:44:29 sure Dec 16 22:45:22 i have seen bbt Dec 16 22:45:33 the best ep that I ever seen Dec 16 22:48:28 Why aren't there languages to chose out in the new image of SHR? Dec 16 22:49:23 because ainulindale hates locale Dec 16 22:49:29 and locales hates ainulindale Dec 16 22:49:46 yes, but just showing english or just remove the screen should be enough Dec 16 22:50:32 dolf1074: that's what I aimed for Dec 16 22:50:35 And that's what it did here Dec 16 22:51:03 The language selection screen isn't gone. So you didn't succeeded? Dec 16 22:51:13 What I tested was working Dec 16 22:52:25 It isn't broken, it just shows a language selection screen without any languages in it. And if you press next, it has no problems Dec 16 22:52:36 Well that's weird Dec 16 22:52:42 That means something got broken then Dec 16 22:52:50 And no locales are installed Dec 16 22:52:52 do $LANG Dec 16 22:52:55 gn8 Dec 16 22:53:13 Ah, damn, I know Dec 16 22:53:24 he know Dec 16 22:53:27 +s Dec 16 22:53:35 Yeah, that's my fault. Dec 16 22:53:40 Updated on the buildhost, didn't commit Dec 16 22:53:48 s/me/asshole Dec 16 22:54:07 Regenerating the images. Dec 16 22:54:09 you fail, sometime Dec 16 22:54:13 Meanwhile, I'm away. Dec 16 22:54:17 ok Dec 16 22:54:35 Please remind me to commit IMAGE_LINGUA Dec 16 22:54:36 +S Dec 16 22:58:32 PaulFertser_: (issue I was seeing) Not sure.. Dec 16 22:58:44 What error did you encounter? Dec 16 23:02:08 Nobody still found how to reduce the font size of the text in the illume launcher ? Dec 16 23:03:53 i'm off to bed though ptitjes Dec 16 23:04:04 if you can (I can't while im not awake) Dec 16 23:04:16 nvm Dec 16 23:04:21 I forgot. Dec 16 23:04:22 night. ;] Dec 16 23:04:53 ptitjes, oh I remembered, pm me with more suggestions (I remember the one about the 1/3) Dec 16 23:24:41 TAsn : nvm ? Dec 16 23:25:31 ha! Dec 16 23:56:27 Ainulindale: what Trac plug-in are you using for the blog? Dec 16 23:57:49 trac blog Dec 16 23:57:52 why? Dec 16 23:58:40 (tracfullblog exactly) Dec 17 01:33:15 raster, 'The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler' sounds so weird. Dec 17 01:47:49 so what, it's probably ok then, no? ;-) Dec 17 01:50:04 huh Dec 17 02:10:40 Pinging FSO team, all FSO team Dec 17 02:44:48 mickey|zzZZzz: saw your post on the e mailing list from the 10th, are we going to be seeing Xless e at some point? Dec 17 02:58:49 updated http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing. Enjoy CHANGELOG! ;-) Dec 17 02:59:44 DocScrutinizer, some of the URLs in the CHANGLOG are passworded. Dec 17 02:59:52 mind unpasswording them, or giving us the password? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 17 02:59:57 2008