**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 24 02:59:57 2008 Dec 24 04:48:26 raster, you need to make your email display name less intimidating. Dec 24 04:55:11 ? Dec 24 05:58:46 raster, "The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler" -- Sounds like some guy who goes and rasterizes people, and never lets them out. Dec 24 06:10:34 but isn't that what raster does?-) Dec 24 07:50:54 haha Dec 24 08:05:13 there is zhone in the unstable feed? Dec 24 08:43:27 Sargun: but thats what i do! Dec 24 08:47:31 but I don't want to be rasterized! Dec 24 08:48:17 yes you do! Dec 24 08:48:28 you just don't know it yet! Dec 24 08:51:14 * PaulFertser_ tried to avoid using u-boot for a long time successfully and now he's forced to use it on his new LPC2478-based board. Not only to use, but to actively hack because of NXP's sillyness. One can't escape his destiny, indeed. Dec 24 08:51:29 lol Dec 24 08:51:47 all your base are belong to u-boot Dec 24 08:54:09 hi * Dec 24 08:57:04 raster: hi, do you have different examples for illume themes? i want to modify the top shelf ... Dec 24 08:57:59 no - i just do the default Dec 24 08:57:59 :) Dec 24 08:58:39 i understand Dec 24 09:41:20 Hey Dec 24 09:41:36 hey Dec 24 09:43:48 merry christmas..hehe ;) Dec 24 09:46:40 Ainulindale, here? Dec 24 09:46:44 BluesLee, good morning Dec 24 09:46:58 good morning quickdev Dec 24 09:47:18 it was a bad idea to get me a new sim card Dec 24 09:47:36 why? Dec 24 09:47:43 as it does not register Dec 24 09:48:05 sim auth pops up but i get "no service" Dec 24 09:48:37 sorry Dec 24 09:48:41 here we go:-) Dec 24 09:48:53 it registered Dec 24 09:49:12 fine :) Dec 24 09:49:26 now i can do some buzz tests Dec 24 10:01:34 hey ptitjes Dec 24 10:02:59 hahah Dec 24 10:04:57 quickdev: well yes Dec 24 10:04:58 quickdev: do i need to add the unstable feed to opkg confs or is it sufficient to reinstall libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 Dec 24 10:05:07 still in bed but yes Dec 24 10:05:38 quickdev: and how is this package improving, any problems? Dec 24 10:06:11 BluesLee, I just compiled the most recent images with a proper feed. Anyway, you can update your confs and then fetch the lib Dec 24 10:06:18 Ainulindale: i saw zhone in the unstable feed, why it was added? Dec 24 10:06:42 hello (just awoke...) Dec 24 10:06:55 hello quickdev Dec 24 10:07:06 BluesLee: Because someone asked me to Dec 24 10:07:10 Why wouldn't it be here? Dec 24 10:07:24 its okay Dec 24 10:07:34 i just wondered Dec 24 10:09:25 quickdev! Dec 24 10:09:38 Ainulindale? Dec 24 10:09:48 Should I try the Christmas unstable ? Dec 24 10:10:12 I do not work today so can put my SIM back in my fr Dec 24 10:10:32 ptitjes, you can get all changes with opkg upgrade if you have already the unstable one. The only thing beside that: Correct opkg feeds in /etc/opkg/ Dec 24 10:10:40 Cristmas unstable should have jingle bells as ringtone XD Dec 24 10:10:50 christmas Dec 24 10:10:51 hehe :) Dec 24 10:10:55 :) Dec 24 10:11:52 quickdev: I already upgrade from local so I have to reflash Dec 24 10:12:05 s/upgrade/upgraded/ Dec 24 10:12:05 ptitjes meant: quickdev: I already upgraded from local so I have to reflash Dec 24 10:12:25 :] Dec 24 10:13:09 what's that bzzbot? Dec 24 10:14:21 quickdev: you had a question Dec 24 10:15:18 admiral0: this is an IRC bot :) Dec 24 10:15:20 Ainulindale, yeah, I had - don't know anymore :) Dec 24 10:15:26 ok :-) Dec 24 10:15:40 quickdev: by the way, GTA01 is on its way and GTA02 will be there next week I think Dec 24 10:16:28 Ainulindale, which version of gta02? :) Dec 24 10:16:41 v9, he's purchasing from the future. Dec 24 10:16:41 buzz fixed Dec 24 10:16:45 good news :) Dec 24 10:16:53 well supposedly Dec 24 10:16:54 we'll see Dec 24 10:17:29 what ?? Dec 24 10:18:27 buzz? how? should i get my Lil' electronic kit? Dec 24 10:18:52 admiral0, look at the ML Dec 24 10:18:56 Ah, the GTA01 is at orly Dec 24 10:19:11 That's funny Dec 24 10:19:35 It did San Francisco -> Willmington -> New York -> Leipzig -> Paris Dec 24 10:19:55 Here's a good way to go all around the earth Dec 24 10:20:06 Ainulindale, where did you order it from Dec 24 10:21:02 The GTA01? Well it's from the USA. Dec 24 10:21:10 yeah... Dec 24 10:21:17 Is ophonekitd in shr-testing broken? Dec 24 10:21:18 Why did you order a GTA01? Dec 24 10:21:19 Trying to build shr I get http://pastebin.com/mebb9673 Dec 24 10:22:22 Sargun: because I need one to test SHR. Dec 24 10:22:37 hehe AndreasD Dec 24 10:22:39 AndreasD, you need latest libframeworkd-glib Dec 24 10:22:40 that's quickdev's fault Dec 24 10:23:13 should I do, bitbake -c mrproper libframeworkd-glib or how is that done? Dec 24 10:23:23 Ainulindale, my fault? What should I have done to prevent that? Dec 24 10:23:30 quickdev: I was joking :-) Dec 24 10:23:40 AndreasD: bitbake -c clean libframeworkd-glib; bitbake lfg Dec 24 10:23:44 hehe ;) Dec 24 10:23:50 Ah forgot a tab Dec 24 10:23:52 thanks! Dec 24 10:24:02 quickdev: isn't it nice? lfg gives libframeworkd-glib Dec 24 10:24:12 I also have http://shr.bearstech.com/trac http://shr.bearstech.com/git http://shr.bearstech.com libframeworkd-phonegui Dec 24 10:24:27 Unfortunately I'll have to change the shr ones :-/ Dec 24 10:24:31 So much work to do. Dec 24 10:24:40 Ainulindale, SHR doesn't need testing. Dec 24 10:24:46 Real men release their code without testing Dec 24 10:25:01 Sargun: Then I'm not a real man :-) Dec 24 10:25:18 Sargun, he's french ;) Dec 24 10:25:24 Ah, makes sense. Dec 24 10:25:31 lol Dec 24 10:25:48 humhum! Dec 24 10:28:14 alphaone, could you have a look at a frameworkd error? Dec 24 10:28:52 quickdev: Sure Dec 24 10:28:54 alphaone, http://rafb.net/p/FrqWoA61.html (I'm trying to run frameworkd on my neo and ophonekitd, the client on my host) Dec 24 10:29:07 quickdev: Did I introduce it tonight? Dec 24 10:29:18 alphaone, no, it's probably not your fault Dec 24 10:29:27 yay Dec 24 10:29:36 So I haven't been naughty :-) Dec 24 10:29:41 I just want to have someone who looks over it...who can give a hint ;) Dec 24 10:30:32 alphaone, the interesting thing: On client side, it says "USER DOES NOT EXIST / USAGE ERROR" and on the neo side, it says "DBUS SECURITY EXCEPTION" Dec 24 10:31:15 yeah Dec 24 10:31:52 ah Dec 24 10:32:06 muxer.AllocChannel( name ) fails - why does it do? Does it connect to gsmmuxd via dbus? Dec 24 10:32:18 s/it do/it fail/ Dec 24 10:32:19 quickdev meant: muxer.AllocChannel( name ) fails - why does it fail? Does it connect to gsmmuxd via dbus? Dec 24 10:32:20 that happens when ogsmd tries to request the gsm7010muxd channels via dbus Dec 24 10:32:31 yep Dec 24 10:32:42 quickdev: You need a service file. Dec 24 10:32:57 alphaone, for gsm0710muxd? Dec 24 10:33:08 usually gsm0710muxd is started via dbus-activation Dec 24 10:33:21 yeah Dec 24 10:33:44 alphaone, there already is a gsm0710muxd service file on my neo Dec 24 10:33:49 or as a workaround start the muxer manually Dec 24 10:33:52 hmm Dec 24 10:33:58 I started it manually :) Dec 24 10:34:03 as you can see in my log Dec 24 10:34:18 are you starting frameworkd as root? Dec 24 10:34:32 yes Dec 24 10:34:38 okay, saw it sorry Dec 24 10:35:06 Maybe some additional acls are needed for TCP forwarding? Dec 24 10:35:15 acls? Dec 24 10:35:44 dbus access stanzas Dec 24 10:37:10 hm..it already worked a few weeks ago Dec 24 10:39:24 strange Dec 24 10:39:29 Did you update dbus? Dec 24 10:39:51 alphaone, no - same dbus package Dec 24 10:39:53 cli-frameworkd Dec 24 10:39:53 >>> usage.RequestResource('GSM') Dec 24 10:39:54 ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on org.freesmartphone.ousaged:/org/freesmartphone/Usage: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ousaged was not provided by any .service files Dec 24 10:40:22 quickdev, did you enable ogsm Dec 24 10:40:33 quickdev: Well, it seems that the root problem lies in ogsmd... Dec 24 10:40:47 trying to get the muxer channels Dec 24 10:42:12 quickdev: But I can't really say much about the error, sorry Dec 24 11:01:02 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rfb4e9c7ab03c 10/ChangeLog: Update ChangeLog Dec 24 11:11:55 somebody happen to know how to make fbcon use colors in angstrom? Dec 24 11:20:43 dcordes: check TERM Dec 24 11:29:26 tmzt_: hi. TERM = 'linux' Dec 24 11:32:47 dcordes: hi, did the image work out? Dec 24 11:36:55 Kensan: didn't find time to test it yet. been busy playing with kaiser kernel sdcc. hope I can make openmoko-dialer3 work tomorrow Dec 24 11:37:06 does it have keybindings? Dec 24 11:37:12 dcordes: ah ok Dec 24 11:40:06 dcordes: it's the full shr image with latest frameworkd-devel and openssh instead of dropbear... Dec 24 12:01:07 dcordes: that should be right then Dec 24 12:23:04 i'm disappointed with my shr Dec 24 12:23:09 it is boring Dec 24 12:23:31 only problem with it is with fso, which play ringtone after release Dec 24 12:23:40 hack it Dec 24 12:23:41 and no other problems! Dec 24 12:23:49 so it isn't boring Dec 24 12:24:04 ;) Dec 24 12:24:51 i'm joking Dec 24 12:25:00 it is actually really stable Dec 24 12:25:18 sure it is Dec 24 12:29:03 is there a way to make Illume window (whick pop-ups after clicking power button) pop-ups only after short click (not pressing)? Dec 24 12:29:33 s/whick/which Dec 24 12:31:06 Doesn't it already? Dec 24 12:35:59 viq: no, when i'm pressing power button for few seconds, window appears when i release it Dec 24 12:37:45 dos1: I just 'click' it and it works Dec 24 12:38:28 viq: yes, but i want to do some other things with frameworkd (oeventsd) when i'm pressing longer power button Dec 24 12:38:37 and then i don't won't illume window Dec 24 12:43:07 So the question is not how to make the power-menu window work, but how to make it work differently, how to make it two separate things depending on how long you hold it Dec 24 12:43:33 viq: exacly Dec 24 12:43:59 s/cl/ctl/ Dec 24 12:44:00 dos1 meant: viq: exactly Dec 24 12:45:11 viq: i asked "is there a way to make illume window (...) pop-ups *only* after short click (not pressing)?" Dec 24 12:45:13 :] Dec 24 13:20:00 hey guys did someone tried Epris (http://code.google.com/p/epris/) ?? Dec 24 13:20:25 this is a music player as a dbus service (and it is based on gstreamer) Dec 24 13:20:45 that would be an ideal candidate for openmoko, isn't it ? Dec 24 13:22:38 quickdev: found a music player as a dbus service (and it is based on gstreamer) Dec 24 13:22:55 ptitjes, sounds interesting Dec 24 13:23:00 Epris (http://code.google.com/p/epris/) Dec 24 13:23:28 written in vala BTW Dec 24 13:25:56 mickeyl: hey there Dec 24 13:26:02 hi alphaone Dec 24 13:26:03 weird Dec 24 13:26:07 shr-unstable works Dec 24 13:26:10 alphaone: please catch up the specs if you cahnge AIP Dec 24 13:26:12 mickeyl: I broke ogsmd API tonight, hope you don't mind Dec 24 13:26:12 argsh Dec 24 13:26:17 merry christmas :-) Dec 24 13:26:20 hehe Dec 24 13:26:21 just seen it Dec 24 13:26:28 mickeyl: Well, look harder Dec 24 13:26:33 I already did Dec 24 13:26:39 even better Dec 24 13:26:41 Though I might have missed some Dec 24 13:27:12 what do you return if the modem does not provide the ACT info? Dec 24 13:27:27 Hire: gps does not Dec 24 13:27:38 i get no gps found in tangogps Dec 24 13:27:41 You're right, I missed changeing the signature Dec 24 13:27:48 bumbl|afk: run fso-gpsd and it will work Dec 24 13:27:50 fso-gpsd does not want to start Dec 24 13:27:57 mickeyl: In listproviders at the moment I return GSM Dec 24 13:28:12 But I thought about just leaving it blank? Dec 24 13:28:17 dos1: it should run on startup anyway Dec 24 13:28:34 And just not including the key in the hashmaps Dec 24 13:29:03 Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- P <--- why? Dec 24 13:29:34 mickeyl: Is that okay with you? Dec 24 13:29:37 initscript is broken Dec 24 13:30:01 Unfortunately listproviders doesn't have an a{sv} to include optional stuff. Dec 24 13:30:40 "GSM" sounds good Dec 24 13:30:54 i considered a{sv}, but it would be kind of ugly Dec 24 13:31:00 like... aia{sv} Dec 24 13:31:15 a(ia{sv}) Dec 24 13:31:25 and that's tough to unpack for low level folks Dec 24 13:31:58 yup Dec 24 13:32:01 mickeyl: hey Dec 24 13:32:05 Quick question :-p Dec 24 13:32:17 Echo fix, deployed or not? Dec 24 13:32:23 you should do it as it's most logical, even if it's unconvenient for low level ppls ;) Dec 24 13:32:24 (Loads of people asked me that) Dec 24 13:32:28 okay, so I'll change the specs to follow the "default is GSM" Dec 24 13:32:33 (And I still don't know) Dec 24 13:32:48 mickeyl: Should act be mandatory then in GetStatus for example? Dec 24 13:32:55 i.e. also default to GSM? Dec 24 13:33:07 alphaone: yes, i think so Dec 24 13:33:21 okay, will change that then as well Dec 24 13:33:47 Ainulindale: hi Dec 24 13:34:26 Ainulindale: i'll do the customizable thing soon Dec 24 13:34:33 right now we're using -6db suppression Dec 24 13:34:38 which still results in echo for some people Dec 24 13:34:49 but sounds less artifical to my ears Dec 24 13:34:58 Ok :-) Dec 24 13:35:07 Now I can check "know about that" then :-) Dec 24 13:35:08 will add ti_calypso_dsp_mode = Dec 24 13:35:14 ... Dec 24 13:35:35 mickeyl: how's life then? :-) Dec 24 13:35:55 ptitjes, could you try epris? Dec 24 13:36:25 quickdev: Still trying to build a shr image, now I get http://pastebin.com/m3b1cc559 Dec 24 13:36:54 i am going to smoking Dec 24 13:37:18 AndreasD, you need the latest libframeworkd-glib (again :)) Dec 24 13:37:29 quickdev: btw. I have followed Getting started developing SHR Dec 24 13:37:54 but I did git pull and ran bitbake -c mrproper lfg and ophonekitd Dec 24 13:38:02 ophonekitd now builds Dec 24 13:39:15 AndreasD, try bitbake -c mrproper openmoko-contacts3 Dec 24 13:39:17 and then again Dec 24 13:39:41 okay thanks, again :-) Dec 24 13:42:05 Ainulindale: ok, so far. my wife has a severe cough which makes the nights short, but other than that looking forward to a couple of calm days Dec 24 13:42:12 Ainulindale: how 'bout you? Dec 24 13:43:16 uff Dec 24 13:43:21 init is borked on shr-unstable Dec 24 13:43:26 this makes me sad :/ Dec 24 13:44:17 mickeyl: so it is a good time to explain to her why you need the x200s? ;) Dec 24 13:44:58 mickeyl: so you can work AND take care of her while she is in bed. Dec 24 13:45:45 indeed Dec 24 13:46:07 now micheyl works on ogmsd *whips* Dec 24 13:46:11 who did shr icons? Dec 24 13:46:14 me Dec 24 13:46:24 btw, anybody knows what the latest is on opimd/abraxa? Any news? Dec 24 13:48:11 Hire: can you do one for fbreader and second one for games from oh-puzzles? :) Dec 24 13:48:54 and by the way: can someone put oh-puzzles into shr repo? ^^ Dec 24 13:48:55 i am working on navit, weather app, wp and pjetis app Dec 24 13:49:00 so ... a little busy Dec 24 13:49:36 Hire: ok Dec 24 13:50:20 Kensan: heh, good point Dec 24 13:50:52 Kensan: i would have to justify why i can't do the same with the x60s though... Dec 24 13:51:14 mickeyl: hm... it's always the old stuff that bites you in the ass Dec 24 13:51:28 mickeyl: and that's true not only for hardware but also software Dec 24 13:51:41 mickeyl: too noisy fans perhaps? Dec 24 13:52:01 mickeyl: well Dec 24 13:52:03 the usual Dec 24 13:52:11 christmas with the family, soo pretty much horrible Dec 24 13:52:13 if all else fails: Think of the children! Dec 24 13:52:15 (tense relations) Dec 24 13:53:48 i see, sucks Dec 24 13:53:57 Yeah Dec 24 13:54:10 And the GTA01 is in paris Dec 24 13:54:14 and I'm in carcassonne Dec 24 13:54:17 doubly sucks Dec 24 13:54:27 Ainulindale: near toulouse? Dec 24 13:54:40 Ainulindale: good food there :) Dec 24 13:54:48 South of Toulouse yes Dec 24 13:54:59 mickeyl: Do you know what Compact GSM is? Dec 24 13:55:04 As network access type? Dec 24 13:55:13 never heard Dec 24 13:55:47 okay, so I'll include it in the specs, but unexplained Dec 24 13:56:32 [SHR]: hello, i've a libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch what should I do: http://rafb.net/p/V12Eyh28.html Dec 24 13:57:00 alphaone: must be something spooky: http://www.spyreview.co.uk/2007/10/17/compact-gsm-spy-bug-aka-the-sim-card-spy-ear/ Dec 24 13:57:04 *heh* Dec 24 13:58:07 Kensan: I think that's Compact (GSM spy bug) and not (Compact GSM) spy bug :-) Dec 24 13:58:21 quickdev: did you regenerate lfg on testing? Dec 24 13:59:33 alphaone: yeah for sure. the ordering was not clear from your sentece *harrharr* Dec 24 14:01:08 Ainulindale: can you add oh-puzzles to shr-unstable repo? Dec 24 14:01:28 alphaone: a bit unrelated but still interesting maybe: http://www.shapeshifter.se/2008/04/30/list-of-at-commands/ Dec 24 14:02:37 Kensan: That's exactly where I got Compact GSM from :-) Dec 24 14:02:45 Doesn't explain too much, though Dec 24 14:02:55 quickdev: I'll try Epris some latter days :) Dec 24 14:03:00 mickeyl: FYI task-openmoko-feed isn't working anymore :- Dec 24 14:03:09 Would you like we build a gui on top of it ? Dec 24 14:03:17 alphaone: yeah, I just read that there were some non-standard at commands explained that's why I thought it might be remotely helpfull. Dec 24 14:03:36 GNUtoo: retry I updated package-index Dec 24 14:03:44 ok thanks a lot Dec 24 14:04:10 well ainu if relations are tense why bother visiting that part of the family? Dec 24 14:04:12 alphaone: seems like a type of gsm network. Dec 24 14:04:46 bumbl|afk: as if I had a choice :-) Dec 24 14:05:00 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r8867fe47a58a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Dec 24 14:05:00 freesmartphone.org: otapi: Make act attribute mandatory and change defaults Dec 24 14:05:00 freesmartphone.org: Change the default value of the access type to be "GSM" and make act Dec 24 14:05:00 freesmartphone.org: mandatory. Also catch up on the ListProviders signature. Dec 24 14:06:32 well unlucky you then Dec 24 14:12:05 mickeyl: Pdp.NetworkStatus seems to be out of sync Dec 24 14:12:12 with the specs Dec 24 14:12:38 the specs claim there's one string returned Dec 24 14:13:01 though the code looks like there's a{sv} returned Dec 24 14:13:03 ? Dec 24 14:13:18 let me check Dec 24 14:13:41 Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/yd33eq49.html Dec 24 14:14:04 Ainulindale, should I re-flash? Dec 24 14:14:26 alphaone: ya, that's wrong. can you adjust it while you're there? Dec 24 14:14:45 alphaone: the description seems be ok, just the param is bogus Dec 24 14:14:51 "weil heute Weihnachten ist" :-) Dec 24 14:15:52 mickeyl: right Dec 24 14:16:16 mickeyl: I run logread -f right after I called the pdp ? Dec 24 14:16:53 dos1: puzzles are here Dec 24 14:16:54 dcordes_: yes, even better, run it beforehand in a seperate shell Dec 24 14:17:27 ok Dec 24 14:17:33 * mickeyl sighs and considers unsubscribing the support list Dec 24 14:17:45 ? Dec 24 14:17:50 all the whining Dec 24 14:17:54 what's wrong with them? Dec 24 14:17:55 mucho annoying Dec 24 14:19:23 giving a real bad picture of the state of things. we all acknowledge that it's not perfect, but it's far from being that bad Dec 24 14:19:31 *shrug* Dec 24 14:20:44 i did a wp ... Dec 24 14:22:15 mickeyl: Denial! It's always worse than you think ;-) Dec 24 14:23:18 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/259b94552539a8ed144e7df9630d28d7.png Dec 24 14:23:21 here it is Dec 24 14:23:59 mickeyl: there's a reason I stoped reading the community list a long time ago... Dec 24 14:24:28 mickeyl: all the people putting out requests for hardware for GTA05 and things like that... Dec 24 14:24:59 good thing I am not subscribed to the support list :) Dec 24 14:25:18 Hire: a wp ? Dec 24 14:25:21 yes Dec 24 14:25:44 but what is it ? Dec 24 14:25:57 Hire, it's actually a lot nicer than the default one ;] btw, have you noticed the new shr-themes repo Ainulindale made? Dec 24 14:26:03 (rocks!) Dec 24 14:26:19 oh wallpaper! Dec 24 14:26:33 sadly not Dec 24 14:27:03 i had problems in those days so i don't know anything that ainulindale does Dec 24 14:27:49 Hire, well, now you know. Dec 24 14:27:55 use/abuse it! ;] Dec 24 14:31:20 but that branch is empty Dec 24 14:35:50 so Dec 24 14:35:56 i can't commits my work Dec 24 14:36:04 if that branch is empty Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * red4d21f5e407 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: otapi: Follow AcT changes in org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: GetNetworkStatus also reports the act attribute. Fix NetworkStatus Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: parameter Dec 24 14:42:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc8ff34f7756a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: Catch up with latest act spec changes (make AcT mandatory) Dec 24 14:50:07 mickeyl: did you read ptitjes' mail on smartphone-standards? Dec 24 14:50:11 I was wondering about your opinion Dec 24 14:55:47 briefly read it Dec 24 14:55:49 no opinion yet Dec 24 14:56:07 i need to research more on PIM to create an opinion Dec 24 14:56:24 i really tried to delegate this subsystem Dec 24 14:56:32 but it looks like i need to get involved :/ Dec 24 15:01:08 mickeyl: No kidding? :-) Dec 24 15:01:17 mickeyl: there's more to his mail than PIM Dec 24 15:01:18 what about pim? Dec 24 15:01:23 mickeyl: caching and such, in fact Dec 24 15:01:33 Did you do stress tests on big amount of data? Dec 24 15:01:57 like i said, only briefly read Dec 24 15:02:03 big amount of data is no problem for dbus Dec 24 15:02:10 too many roundtrips are a problem Dec 24 15:02:13 Ok then :-) Dec 24 15:03:08 mickeyl: but the number of roundtrips needed depends on the query language capabilities Dec 24 15:03:36 mickeyl: just so you know Dec 24 15:03:50 I came forward with this as he bugged me a lot yesterday about that :-p Dec 24 15:04:03 And I'm not able to tell if this idea is good or bad :-) Dec 24 15:06:05 me neither at this point Dec 24 15:06:08 hopefully later Dec 24 15:06:12 anyways, need to prepare for church Dec 24 15:06:14 see ya Dec 24 15:06:36 church? Dec 24 15:07:05 dammit i think the plate under my laptop's keyboard just broke Dec 24 15:07:32 mickey|xmas: isn't it a bit early for church? Dec 24 15:08:47 here the first mass starts afaik at 22:00h Dec 24 15:09:24 Hire: church = strange place where people meet Dec 24 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8b81d1bfa048 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py unsolicited.py): Dec 24 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add charset support to more methods and signals Dec 24 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: PdpGetNetworkStatus and NetworksStatus signals Dec 24 15:20:31 okay, I think I'll leave it at that for now Dec 24 15:20:49 The church of FSO maybe? Dec 24 15:21:30 FSM rather Dec 24 15:21:41