**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 27 02:59:57 2008 Dec 27 04:07:59 Yay, it seems mickey fixed the fso build Dec 27 05:00:48 hey guys Dec 27 09:09:51 25c3 start yet? Dec 27 09:30:57 ... its really like playing lottery Dec 27 09:31:05 i mean building shr Dec 27 09:31:14 now i disabled all locales and get the following error Dec 27 09:31:15 http://rafb.net/p/M82Umd99.html Dec 27 09:31:28 python-etk failed Dec 27 09:31:40 Hahah Dec 27 09:54:40 is http://svn.openmoko.org down? Dec 27 09:55:40 it seems so Dec 27 09:55:52 O_o Dec 27 09:59:45 We're off to 25c3 now Dec 27 10:00:29 ? Dec 27 10:00:39 ah. okay not the server Dec 27 10:07:39 Ainulindale: package build in progress ? Dec 27 10:11:46 jhello guys! what's with svn? I can't update from it now: Dec 27 10:11:53 svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/opkg': could not connect to server (http://svn.openmoko.org) Dec 27 10:19:06 yeha seems to be down Dec 27 10:19:56 Man. Dec 27 10:20:02 So not cool Dec 27 11:27:41 tifereth: did you read the troubleshoot section of the SHR wiki? Dec 27 11:27:50 alphaone: have fun! Dec 27 11:28:06 Kensan: yeha i did and my error isnt there Dec 27 11:28:07 ... Dec 27 11:28:07 Kensan: Thanks Dec 27 11:28:45 but seems that i found the solution but i can't try because svn.openmoko.org is down Dec 27 11:29:54 bumbl, I think you may have some internal info, just a couple of hours after you asked me about the bombing on Israel cities The Israeli Airforce attacked gaza and the hamas. Dec 27 11:31:46 really Dec 27 11:31:58 the moko eightball has zhe powa Dec 27 11:32:58 hehe yeah. ;] Dec 27 11:33:04 tifereth: Then you misread it. Dec 27 11:33:08 Because it is there. Dec 27 11:33:27 If python-etk fails building, try this: Dec 27 11:33:27 $ bitbake -c clean python-etk; bitbake eina; bitbake python-etk Dec 27 11:33:33 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR Dec 27 11:33:40 O_o so i read over it Dec 27 11:34:27 * mrmoku_ wonders why svn.openmoko.org is pointing to et.2.16.rs3k34.rz6.hetzner.de Dec 27 11:35:20 svn.openmoko.org is not pointing anywhere Dec 27 11:35:23 due its down Dec 27 11:37:53 tifereth: but you can browse svn (via projects.openmoko.org) Dec 27 11:38:24 ah.. okay, but that doesnt helps if all the build scripts point to svn.openmoko.org Dec 27 11:38:25 -_- Dec 27 11:39:26 tifereth: but you are right it does not point anywhere else... got confused from ping output :-) Dec 27 11:42:19 bumbl, anyhow, you brought a war upon us :{ this sucks!!! ;] Dec 27 11:42:30 anyone here at ccc? Dec 27 11:43:23 mato: yes Flyser|berlin is Dec 27 11:43:34 TAsn: I am sorry Dec 27 11:43:49 * mato is wondering where all the GSM ppl are :) Dec 27 11:44:05 no big antennas anywhere i can see here Dec 27 11:44:11 bumbl, you should be! ;] Dec 27 11:44:17 I don't like wars. Dec 27 11:44:27 especially if they are done before the elections Dec 27 11:44:37 because the politicians are doing all or nothing Dec 27 11:45:42 well I don't like wars either Dec 27 11:45:56 I was lucky to never participate in any though Dec 27 11:48:41 I have already participated in one ;[ Dec 27 11:48:53 with the same prime minister there is now. Dec 27 11:49:23 now it's not yet a war but only an "incident" Dec 27 11:49:38 or at least that's what they say in the news. Dec 27 11:50:14 todays newspaper tells us Dec 27 11:50:28 what? Dec 27 11:50:29 Israeli prime minister grants hamas a last chance Dec 27 11:50:37 i c.\ Dec 27 11:50:51 bumbl: and then? Dec 27 11:51:02 well we don't get newspapers on saturdays (jewish and shabas) so what I read I read online. Dec 27 11:51:32 well we are not that strict - we get newspapers even on sunday Dec 27 11:52:17 BluesLee: well then they write that the Israeli prime minister and his government told that they are ready to do anything which is needed to stop the threat Dec 27 11:53:09 bumbl, jews are strict about shabas. Dec 27 11:53:21 its a vicious circle Dec 27 11:53:25 they don't drive cars/cook/turn on the light Dec 27 11:53:27 etc etc etc Dec 27 11:53:32 neverending story Dec 27 11:53:39 they also don't write. Dec 27 11:54:00 they are fucking crazy! (the religious jews) and unbelievably strict. Dec 27 11:54:06 TAsn: yeah i was on a conference with a russian living in israel he told me such thing Dec 27 11:54:18 it's fucking crazy. Dec 27 11:54:30 lucky me, I'm agnostic ;] Dec 27 11:54:57 honestly, i also understand the other side Dec 27 11:55:06 what other side? hamas Dec 27 11:55:09 ? Dec 27 11:55:09 i would call myself a liberal catholic (i know this seems to be an oxymeron) Dec 27 11:55:10 TAsn, no work? maybe they are just relaxating... Dec 27 11:55:13 not hamas Dec 27 11:55:21 or religious guys? Dec 27 11:55:24 the palestinian Dec 27 11:55:30 BluesLee, I do as well. Dec 27 11:55:54 booxter, they are a bunch of bums ;] all they do is read the torah. Dec 27 11:55:55 imagine what would you do if you were a palastenian Dec 27 11:56:16 Flyser|berlin: yo Dec 27 11:56:20 BluesLee, it's a complicated situation. Dec 27 11:56:21 if you do not have the high tech war machinery Dec 27 11:56:27 TAsn, reading fiction? yeap, that's relax indeed :D Dec 27 11:56:39 Flyser|berlin: you have any idea if mickey, harald or any of the other FSO guys are at bcc yet? Dec 27 11:56:48 harald is here Dec 27 11:56:57 where can i find him? :) Dec 27 11:57:03 booxter, I don't think you have ever read biblical hebrew, Man, THAT IS HARD!!! Dec 27 11:57:14 mickey: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/12/27/visiting-25c3-for-one-day/ Dec 27 11:57:38 TAsn, of course not: I try to keep my brain clean and polished :D Dec 27 11:57:48 mato: uh, no idea. Dec 27 11:57:49 Flyser|berlin: emdete and DocScrutinizer shold be also there Dec 27 11:58:14 I saw him yesterday all the time Dec 27 11:58:20 BluesLee: I know Dec 27 11:58:25 Flyser|berlin: i don't know what he looks like :) Dec 27 11:58:36 I will visit the PyNeo table in the hackcenter later Dec 27 11:59:04 mato: http://ubuntuarte.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/220px-haraldwelte23c3.jpg Dec 27 11:59:29 so... when will openmoko svn be up and running? It's down in a bad way: I just wanted to hack a little and then... boom... no svn server. I'm currious if it's me who killed the svn... Dec 27 11:59:43 Flyser|berlin: ta... d'you have some coordinates for the pyneo table? Dec 27 12:00:02 like, which o'clock when i walk in to the hackcenter :) Dec 27 12:00:03 unfortunately not^^ I wasn't able to find it yesterday Dec 27 12:00:11 ok, i'm gonna go hunt around Dec 27 12:00:35 the GSM project should d also be around somewhere Dec 27 12:00:35 booxter: well, you'll get used to it. each time I make space in my schedule to hack shr, SVN goes down, or something else goes wrong... Dec 27 12:00:36 have fun :) Dec 27 12:00:38 thx Dec 27 12:03:21 BluesLee, it's complicated, a bunch of crazy patriotic jews believing they have a right for this country came between 1900-1945, many ran away from the holocoast and had no where else to go, many just believed this is their holy land. anyhow, they came to a wasteland no one wanted and started developing it. When they got it to be decent people started wanting it (including the rightful owners, the palestinians) and the began fight Dec 27 12:03:21 ing on this. The british that controlled israel at that time suggested a split, the jews agreed the arabs didn't. The UN voted and decided israel (a small part) will be a jewish country. All the arab nations attacked israel and eventually lost and israel became a country. A few years later again, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria attacked israel and they lost that war as well, furthermore they also lost a lot of lands (this is the israel w Dec 27 12:03:22 e know today). The palestinians are people that neither Syria, Egypt nor Jordan wanted to accept back (habitants of the conquered lands) so they stayed in Israel as residents. Dec 27 12:03:29 That's the story in a nut shell Dec 27 12:05:29 but today egypt seems to be neutral Dec 27 12:06:17 now of course the palestinians are right, though these lands are the spoils of war, and all is fair in love and war. We were the initial aggressors (though we only took a wasteland no one wanted), and now, a couple of generations after, we are still fighting that stupid war. The palestinians of today never lived here, they try to claim lands that they have lost in war, it's not even reasonable to exile me from my home after I have Dec 27 12:06:17 lived here (and my family) for 60 years, I don't care who owned this land before that... Dec 27 12:06:22 bumbl, half true. Dec 27 12:06:36 Egypt attacked israel many times in the past. Dec 27 12:06:55 after finally they agreed to sign a peace treaty in 1991 iirc Dec 27 12:07:02 or maybe before I'm not sure Dec 27 12:07:12 we have a peace treaty with jordan and egypt Dec 27 12:07:32 the one with jordan seems ok, though the one with egypt isn't so solid. Dec 27 12:07:38 yep but today they want to coordinate peace between Israel ant the Palestini Dec 27 12:08:11 at least that is the story the _media_ presents Dec 27 12:08:23 bumbl, that's mubaracks doings, he is ok Dec 27 12:08:36 though he is old and ill Dec 27 12:08:41 and about to get overthrown Dec 27 12:08:55 and replaced by extremists. Dec 27 12:09:10 TAsn: we don't need a history lesson Dec 27 12:09:25 openmoko, isn't it a moko dev class? Dec 27 12:09:29 *chan Dec 27 12:10:17 haha Dec 27 12:10:23 openmoko, As I said, both sides are terribly wrong in this situation ;] I won't mind concluding in that. Dec 27 12:10:35 openmoko, this is about moko dev. Dec 27 12:10:50 if a war starts tomorrow I won't be able to dev as much as I do now ;] Dec 27 12:10:54 TAsn, are you politician? :-D Dec 27 12:10:57 TAsn: I know what this channel is.. Dec 27 12:11:01 booxter, heck no. Dec 27 12:11:03 ;] Dec 27 12:11:12 openmoko, if a war starts tomorrow I won't be able to dev as much as I do now ;] Dec 27 12:11:20 we are discussing the chances of that to happen. Dec 27 12:11:30 and in order to make educated guesses we need to know the past. Dec 27 12:11:50 Uhm... That we're all screwed unless we work for government contractors? Dec 27 12:12:21 booxter, Isreal's politicians don't know nothing about open source, I can't be a politician. ;] Dec 27 12:12:38 openmoko, don't work for the gov. Big brother is evil! Dec 27 12:12:38 its okay, i read the nutshell Dec 27 12:13:04 TAsn: I think if WWIII strikes, you'll have other problems Dec 27 12:13:22 BluesLee, a couple of facts were of course omitted. (I'm not wikipedia you know) Dec 27 12:13:24 TAsn, who knows... Maybe your prime-minister is a geek who hacks openMoko at night ;) Dec 27 12:13:45 fat chance Dec 27 12:13:52 BluesLee, though you can look for "Yom Kipur War" in wikipedia. Dec 27 12:14:12 booxter, I don't think he even uses a computer. Dec 27 12:14:31 non of our government websites are even a tad standards compliant. Dec 27 12:14:50 its interesting to have people in the channel who are involved in that weird stuff Dec 27 12:15:01 TAsn, you know MS is all about jews :)))) Dec 27 12:15:25 if you don't use IE version 6.3245 you can't surf the gov. web sites. Dec 27 12:15:31 booxter, Money? ;] Dec 27 12:15:50 as we are far away from war, we live in in a luxurious world here Dec 27 12:16:01 TAsn, nop, blood ;) Balmer is just f.e. :D Dec 27 12:16:24 BluesLee, Life is weird around here ;] Dec 27 12:16:33 booxter, f e? Dec 27 12:16:41 for example Dec 27 12:16:51 oh. Dec 27 12:16:51 ;] Dec 27 12:17:21 TAsn: i believe you ... though the people get used to it Dec 27 12:18:01 BluesLee, I actually live in Tel-Aviv Dec 27 12:18:09 it's pretty safe around here Dec 27 12:18:20 macabi! Dec 27 12:18:58 well m$ rules here too Dec 27 12:19:03 maccabi plays good basketbol Dec 27 12:19:06 they don't use suicide bombers anymore (we catch them when they try to infiltrate), so I'm on the rear ;] Dec 27 12:19:09 BluesLee, hehe yeah. ;] Dec 27 12:19:12 not that I have anything against microsoft Dec 27 12:19:28 but their ads are everywhere Dec 27 12:20:04 bumbl, I actually don't like ms that much, though I have nothing but appreciation for them. They did a fucking amazing job. (not programming or designing, but publicity and business wise{ Dec 27 12:20:15 anyhow I gtg. Dec 27 12:20:30 I hope you know appreciate the fact you are european ;] Dec 27 12:20:46 and bumbl please don't start any more wars while I'm away ;] Dec 27 12:20:48 bumbl: Seinfeld ads are awesome! Dec 27 12:22:19 TAsn: do you remember the guy ... he must be a basketball hero, forgot his name Dec 27 12:23:17 TAsn: he played in the 80s, 90s Dec 27 12:23:19 nah today in a normal newspaper: upper austria needs ~4000 IT jobs in the next 3 years - so come and get Microsoft certified professionell and you will get a job immediatley because only they offer what the it world needs and only they have the knowledge to make anyone happy Dec 27 12:23:39 they = ms Dec 27 12:24:46 TAsn: found him Jamchy Dec 27 12:28:47 budfive, let's pray for those who know how to make us happy! Dec 27 12:35:13 what could be the reason if my fr boots up without the usb0 interface enabled (shr)? Dec 27 12:35:38 i do have "auto usb0" in /etc/network/interfaces Dec 27 12:36:08 i have to do "ifup usb0" on the fr to be able to connect to it Dec 27 12:37:14 md2k7: i had such issues when i did an opkg upgrade, the kernel was also updated and i couldnt ssh Dec 27 13:27:44 Ainulindale: ping Dec 27 13:31:51 mrmoku: ping Dec 27 13:33:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82c7c6a4d374 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): ogmsd: Refactor Modem.dataOptions() into "pppd-configuration" attribute in modem data storage. Dec 27 13:33:21 mickey|bbiab: Aren't you at 25c3? Dec 27 13:33:29 not yet Dec 27 13:33:34 still at home Dec 27 13:33:40 taking the train tomorrow Dec 27 13:34:15 i have "stub" of new shr-settings app :) Dec 27 13:34:37 but bugs in actuall version of python-elementary are ratty Dec 27 13:36:52 dos1: scap it Dec 27 13:37:15 bumbl: it doesn't look pretty yet :x Dec 27 13:37:58 because of lacks in python-elementary i had to implement "temporary interface" Dec 27 13:39:39 dos1: well anyway scap it Dec 27 13:39:40 bumbl: my idea is to firstly provide modules loader Dec 27 13:39:54 hi Dec 27 13:42:09 bumbl: scaped Dec 27 13:42:12 it looks ugly ;p Dec 27 13:42:33 specially this black window Dec 27 13:42:49 bug in python-elementary... it should look like first one Dec 27 13:43:13 well that looks good Dec 27 13:43:32 althoug I would use elementary.Layout + an edje file for layouting Dec 27 13:43:55 bumbl: i uploaded third screen Dec 27 13:44:03 bumbl: which shows this bug ;p Dec 27 13:45:00 bumbl: yes, i will use Layout, but firstly i want to write basics Dec 27 13:46:51 haha nice bug Dec 27 13:47:37 i don't know why it is happening, but python implementation of elementary_test has it too Dec 27 13:48:28 hi all Dec 27 13:48:29 with the most simpler test Dec 27 13:51:20 dos1: from where do you get the sources? Dec 27 13:52:06 bumbl: python-elementary i have installed from shr-unstable repo Dec 27 13:52:38 sources i have from linuxtogo Dec 27 13:53:32 ah ok Dec 27 13:53:45 so we have the same source base Dec 27 13:54:01 I want to start using python-elementary this weekend Dec 27 13:57:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7d7d2f8b9ccd 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Dec 27 13:57:34 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] Add TI-Calypso specific configuration option "ti_calypso_dsp_mode" to configure Dec 27 13:57:34 freesmartphone.org: DSP audio enhancements. Documentation for this option has been added to the sample configuration file. Dec 27 13:57:34 freesmartphone.org: (Some lowlevel details can be found in framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py) Dec 27 13:57:38 freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO ticket #274 and #253. Dec 27 13:58:53 can I define default operator ? Dec 27 14:04:52 stable vanilla 2.6.28 released Dec 27 14:06:49 What do I have to do when bitbake stops at 33% with handling Bitbake files? Dec 27 14:09:53 bumbl: pong Dec 27 14:09:54 Ainulindale: do you know the answer? Dec 27 14:11:53 * mrmoku thinks we have to switch to frameworkd-devel just for that commit :-) Dec 27 14:13:37 mrmoku: could you try to build fennec again? Dec 27 14:19:07 bumbl: started it Dec 27 14:20:25 mrmoku: thank you Dec 27 14:20:45 bumbl: /bin/sh: autoconf2.13: command not found Dec 27 14:20:57 Ainulindale: ping Dec 27 14:22:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zvCUmeoHpw Dec 27 14:28:39 dolf1074: 42 Dec 27 14:28:40 ptitjes: pong Dec 27 14:28:43 Will be back in ten minute Dec 27 14:28:46 +s Dec 27 14:28:57 42? Dec 27 14:30:33 dolf1074: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything ;] Dec 27 14:30:34 dolf1074: 42 is the answer to anythig Dec 27 14:30:51 hehe Dec 27 14:31:00 apparently not, because it solves nothing Dec 27 14:31:11 bash: 42: command not found Dec 27 14:31:18 dolf1074: you only think that this solves nothing Dec 27 14:31:36 ;] Dec 27 14:33:12 what's a solution, if the one who needs the solution can't use the solution Dec 27 14:34:07 maybe we need to ask it to a hyperintelligent shade of the colour blue Dec 27 14:35:15 maybe we can wait till God tells the answers Dec 27 14:36:13 dolf1074: usually it does not stop without giving an error message Dec 27 14:36:19 would you mind posting? Dec 27 14:37:32 http://pastebin.com/m5e0d8f1c Dec 27 14:38:59 i would say it is because svn.openmoko.org is down Dec 27 14:43:12 ok.. why we need neod? It stops because it can't download neod from svn.openmoko.org Dec 27 14:43:17 have anyone tried fennec a2? Dec 27 14:44:32 openmoko is moving to 2007.2? :DDD Dec 27 14:47:22 TAsn: it does not bitbake Dec 27 14:47:30 ;\ Dec 27 14:47:50 I see angstrom managed to compile it already (for arm7 though) Dec 27 14:49:23 You know, if it were git, we could simply point to a mirror someone made somewhere and everything would keep working. Dec 27 14:49:46 Using subversion is so last century ;-) Dec 27 14:51:40 ptitjes, dolf1074: here Dec 27 14:52:03 cesarb: :D Dec 27 14:52:11 well shr uses git Dec 27 14:52:23 Ainulindale: solved, I just deleted the neod bitbake file and it builds again :) Dec 27 14:52:24 so don't blame shr Dec 27 14:52:25 bumbl: even for the things from svn.om? Dec 27 14:52:56 cesarb: they can't do anything about the fact that om wants to use evil svn Dec 27 14:53:00 anyway Dec 27 14:53:04 svn does not suck that hard Dec 27 14:53:37 bumbl: it does not suck, but it's so last century ;-) Dec 27 14:54:00 * cesarb actually likes svn, except for the fact that tagging is copying to a directory Dec 27 14:55:10 well doing a local dev branch for quick and dirty hacks sucks with svn (as it can't do that) Dec 27 14:55:21 bumbl: you can use git-svn for that ;-) Dec 27 14:56:12 well I use good old cp for that at the moment Dec 27 14:56:15 cesarb: No, we can't. Dec 27 14:56:27 (wrt svn.om) Dec 27 14:57:27 Ainulindale: ? Dec 27 14:59:03 Well, we use OE. OE is kind of like portage. It defines sources to get and such Dec 27 14:59:09 If the source is unavailable, we can't do naught Dec 27 15:01:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r97bd68d4a2f3 10framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 27 15:01:00 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] Add TI-Calypso specific configuration option "ti_calypso_dsp_mode" to configure Dec 27 15:01:00 freesmartphone.org: DSP audio enhancements. Documentation for this option has been added to the sample configuration file. Dec 27 15:01:02 freesmartphone.org: (Some lowlevel details can be found in framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py) Dec 27 15:01:05 freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO ticket #274 and #253. Dec 27 15:01:07 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Dec 27 15:01:09 freesmartphone.org: ChangeLog Dec 27 15:05:03 Ainulindale: but it's quite annoying that you can't do anything anylonger just because parsing the bb's svn.om is needed :( Dec 27 15:05:33 Tell that to OM :-) Dec 27 15:05:34 just rename the neod bb file for a while and you can do a lot :) Dec 27 15:05:52 dolf1074: but why it needs neod? Dec 27 15:06:11 don't know Dec 27 15:07:58 Someone should create a git-svn mirror of svn.om and change the recipes to point to it instead Dec 27 15:08:21 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fd11f3990ce04ad8cf980283f2c249be.png - do you know who works on this? Dec 27 15:08:56 hiciu: on the settings: dos1 Dec 27 15:09:05 on python-elementary: morphis Dec 27 15:09:18 bumbl: thx Dec 27 15:09:22 right ;) Dec 27 15:11:22 Ainulindale: yo - what are you doing this evening ? will you take some beers ? Dec 27 15:12:34 Well, nothing special Dec 27 15:19:36 Ainulindale: > phone call Dec 27 15:33:32 anybody know wher i can find the module named urllib? Dec 27 15:33:40 * mwester thinks somebody has specified an auto-svn-version for neod; the only reason OE needs access to an svn repo is to find out what is the most recent checked-in-version, and the only time it needs to know that is if someone has not specified a specific version to use. Dec 27 15:34:08 I'm running an up-to-date shr, and i'm getting this error when trying to run mokogeocaching: ImportError: No module named urllib Dec 27 15:34:13 mwester: yep, there is a specific rev set for neod Dec 27 15:34:27 I'm still wondering though why we would need it at all? Dec 27 15:34:46 mwester: err, ment specifically AUTOREV set :-) Dec 27 15:35:00 now I'm confused. Dec 27 15:35:05 What is set for neod? Dec 27 15:35:14 mwester: neod is set to AUTOREV :-) Dec 27 15:35:16 (i already found it, will try) Dec 27 15:35:19 That's the problem then. Dec 27 15:35:28 so it has to look what rev is currently current ;) Dec 27 15:35:31 AUTOREV requires that OE go out and find out what is the latest. Dec 27 15:35:34 but why do we need it at all? Dec 27 15:35:38 Exactly. Dec 27 15:35:54 So specify a version - doesn't matter which. Dec 27 15:36:28 mrmoku: maybe for phonegui-gtk Dec 27 15:36:51 bumbl: i don't think so Dec 27 15:37:08 The problem is that OE can't know that it doesn't matter, because you said "AUTOREV" so it needs to check the most recent version to see if it has anything interesting in it, such as (for a ridiculous example), perhaps someone has modified the latest neod so that it "PROVIDES avahi" Dec 27 15:37:08 bumbl: as far as I understand it is button handling... should be done by X and kernel now Dec 27 15:37:19 bumbl: frameworkd does all what neod was doing Dec 27 15:37:35 mrmok, bumbl: button and power handling Dec 27 15:37:51 but it can be disabled fortunately Dec 27 15:38:06 it locks screen, dims backlight, suspends, controls gsm, bt, gps and wifi radios Dec 27 15:38:40 lindi-: I would like to rip it out completely... do you know how it gets pulled into SHR? Dec 27 15:38:59 It probably doesn't get pulled in. Dec 27 15:39:08 dos1: it controls accels too Dec 27 15:39:12 mrmoku: whole frameworkd? Dec 27 15:39:15 bumbl: no Dec 27 15:39:22 lindi-: no, no... neod Dec 27 15:39:25 bumbl: that was bug Dec 27 15:39:43 dos1: it does becaus accels didn't work with a certain neod version Dec 27 15:40:03 * mwester wonders if he's talking to himself Dec 27 15:40:13 why is svn.om down anyway? Dec 27 15:40:14 mwester: ahh, is OE parsing _ALL_ bbs not just the ones needed? Dec 27 15:40:17 mrmoku: :D Dec 27 15:40:25 mrmoku: DING! Exactly! Dec 27 15:40:42 well remove the neod bb Dec 27 15:41:18 bumbl: no. neod was listening to all /dv/input/event*, to control backlight on touchscreen usage Dec 27 15:41:19 You can just use a fixed svn version for neod. Dec 27 15:41:26 * mrmoku understands that is needed... after switching on brain Dec 27 15:41:36 bumbl: that worked perfect for gta01 Dec 27 15:41:41 If you specify a version for neod, then there is no need for the parsing logic to reach out to the svn serer. Dec 27 15:41:45 so do not remove the bb Dec 27 15:41:53 just change the AUTOREV! Dec 27 15:42:00 bumbl: but gta02 has accels, and in kernel was bug with events layer Dec 27 15:42:09 bumbl: thats why it was blocking accels Dec 27 15:42:28 bumbl: err, sorry, not backlight, but sounds of tapping Dec 27 15:53:29 mwester: looks like it still wants to connect to it... maybe to check if that rev actually exists? Dec 27 15:54:49 http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/shr-settings/ - ugly prototype, this is what you can see on scap. hardcoded loading of gsm module, automatic loading is in todo Dec 27 15:55:26 it's crap now, but it's only beginning ;] Dec 27 15:56:20 hm, interesting, things changed at svn.om. Before it was timing out, now it is getting a host unreachable Dec 27 16:00:44 well not that a progress Dec 27 16:37:25 Somebody with etk knowledge? I want to make a etk_tree with a different theme, but that theme may only be affecting one tree. Is that possible? Dec 27 17:14:44 hej Dec 27 17:15:19 not sure what a tree is but you can specify the theme file and theme used for each individual etk element Dec 27 17:15:48 mirko-paroli: thank, but I found already a way out ;) Dec 27 17:16:06 dolf1074: ah ok, was a bit slow ;) Dec 27 17:16:37 no problem ;) Dec 27 17:18:08 one question about your solution: How you do make a edj file for an individual etk widget? Because if I tried with etk_list, it was bounded to other elements. (like drageble and so on) Dec 27 17:59:33 some fso hippies present? Dec 27 18:11:47 Hey Dec 27 18:11:56 hi Dec 27 18:12:07 BluesLee, is it your theme? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a8b2b3d1d29eb3b5c88979a479777924.png Dec 27 18:12:25 quickdev: yepp Dec 27 18:12:50 BluesLee, why don't you maintain a shr-theme package? Dec 27 18:15:16 quickdev: the used images are proprietary, i tried to package things up and tasn tested it, the result was http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e2a0d3bab3eff827d0c682c1680ba60d.png Dec 27 18:15:44 ah, you already considered that idea Dec 27 18:17:56 quickdev: i/we will experiment with gpl images, the icons are gpl at least Dec 27 18:19:24 quickdev: i was also suprised with the good result in the topshelf;-) Dec 27 18:21:37 BluesLee, here you are Dec 27 18:21:44 I tried to debug it Dec 27 18:21:51 for some reason I get can't extract edje Dec 27 18:21:51 ;\ Dec 27 18:22:54 TAsn: there was a further scpa without the topshelf, it was you? Dec 27 18:23:05 no Dec 27 18:23:10 I upped only one Dec 27 18:23:33 okay, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9c144cf886ab657333cda3abcf2754e9.png Dec 27 18:23:52 there was also the scrollbar Dec 27 18:23:55 not me. Dec 27 18:24:13 TAsn: i did some tests with the roboter Dec 27 18:24:14 anyhow, can you please tar and send me the decompiled edje file you are using? Dec 27 18:24:19 BluesLee, wicked? ;] Dec 27 18:24:33 send me the robot tared (decompiled) Dec 27 18:24:41 for some reason I can't decompile your edje Dec 27 18:24:45 please mail it to me Dec 27 18:24:50 I'm off to get something to eat. Dec 27 18:24:53 thanks a lot. Dec 27 18:28:34 TAsn: the results with the robot are really bad, the wallpaper does not fit well and the idea with the reflection and the sitting robot on the topshelf was only an idea, the result was not good Dec 27 18:30:09 TAsn: i cant decompress it as i am testing pyneo and i cant decompress the edje file on the pc with edje_decc, why? Dec 27 18:43:03 why can't you decompress on the pc? Dec 27 18:43:08 you also get an error? Dec 27 18:45:39 BluesLee, I want the precompiled version (what you edit before you compile...) because I want to modify it myself, and for some reason I can't seem to decompile what you have sent me. Dec 27 18:47:32 TAsn: i cant do it know as i flashed some other distribution, have to restore shr for that Dec 27 18:47:56 TAsn: you have to decompress it on the neo! Dec 27 18:48:06 oh, why is that? Dec 27 18:48:08 TAsn: on the pc i get an error message Dec 27 18:48:15 TAsn: i dont know Dec 27 18:48:23 I clearly remember I decompressed stuff on the pc before. Dec 27 18:48:34 well anyhow, it doesn't decompress on the neo as well. Dec 27 18:48:34 ;\ Dec 27 18:48:45 TAsn: maybe different versions or language specifications Dec 27 18:48:54 hmm Dec 27 18:49:07 i used the build.sh script there Dec 27 18:49:38 what's that? Dec 27 18:49:51 anyhow, the stupid edje doesn't decompress ;\ Dec 27 18:56:32 TAsn: should i resend the files with md5sum, maybe file transfer error? Dec 27 18:57:09 I hardly doubt that Dec 27 18:57:13 since it untarred correctly. Dec 27 18:57:21 okay Dec 27 18:57:24 I just need a decompressed version to debug ;\ Dec 27 18:57:55 one moment, i can try it here in pyneo Dec 27 18:58:58 cool. Dec 27 18:59:02 you know my mail, right? Dec 27 18:59:53 yes Dec 27 19:00:10 it works here Dec 27 19:02:27 mickeyl: I'm very glad you've documented %Nxxxx commands. Thank you :) But the question is: how long do they last? lindi- reports that he has to re-issue the %Nxxxx command after any incoming call. Has anyone else verified it? Dec 27 19:02:27 cool Dec 27 19:02:31 please tar and send. Dec 27 19:02:40 okay Dec 27 19:03:16 PaulFertser_: for me that commands work only on one incoming call Dec 27 19:03:35 dos1: Thanks for the report. I think mickeyl should be interested ;) Dec 27 19:04:03 dos1: Have you decided to stop investigation of your 4Gb uSD card? Dec 27 19:04:23 dos1: I thought you're going to ask about it on kernel-. Dec 27 19:04:26 dos1: ;) Dec 27 19:04:31 im off for an hour Dec 27 19:04:32 cya. Dec 27 19:04:53 PaulFertser_: oh, i forgot about it :D Dec 27 19:05:16 TAsn: file sent Dec 27 19:05:21 thanks. Dec 27 19:05:28 dos1: It's a feature of human memory: to forgot about things you don't like :) Dec 27 19:06:07 PaulFertser_: :D Dec 27 19:06:28 Damn freaking power shortagE. Dec 27 19:08:02 Ainulind2le, hey, had some calm days? Everything fine? Dec 27 19:10:07 Yeah but I'm cooking Dec 27 19:10:11 ptitjes is on his way here Dec 27 19:10:18 We're gonna eat fooooooooooood. Dec 27 19:10:25 ah Dec 27 19:10:26 hey cool Dec 27 19:10:28 (Typical french meal, "tartiflette") Dec 27 19:10:33 (Cheese & potatoes) Dec 27 19:10:34 so you got "friends" Dec 27 19:10:45 after the first problems Dec 27 19:10:46 :p Dec 27 19:11:12 bumbl: There were no problem Dec 27 19:11:16 We first met a while ago :-) Dec 27 19:11:23 It's just that he's a pain in my ass :-) Dec 27 19:11:28 But I can live with it Dec 27 19:11:37 He wants to do stuff, he has idea, and that's sane Dec 27 19:11:42 It's just that he has too many of them :-p Dec 27 19:11:47 haha Dec 27 19:12:40 ehi Dec 27 19:12:50 Ainulind2le, is ptitjes living near you? Dec 27 19:12:54 somone eliminates the ainulindale's clone Dec 27 19:13:00 well the Bon appétit! Dec 27 19:13:11 quickdev: yeah, near Paris Dec 27 19:13:15 I think he lives near Versailles Dec 27 19:13:19 I live in Paris Dec 27 19:14:12 Ainulind2le, what's his age? :) Dec 27 19:14:12 carcassone Dec 27 19:14:20 25 Dec 27 19:14:23 eheh Dec 27 19:14:30 quickdev: about mine, older I think Dec 27 19:14:33 he is pretty young Dec 27 19:14:41 a baby :* Dec 27 19:14:52 ainu, so he's ten years younger? :) Dec 27 19:15:03 what? Dec 27 19:15:12 15 years old? Dec 27 19:15:21 impossibile, I think Dec 27 19:15:34 well Dec 27 19:15:37 He's driving here Dec 27 19:15:44 So it would be surprising Dec 27 19:15:58 hehe Dec 27 19:16:04 Ainulind2le, could you help me quickly? Dec 27 19:16:07 glibc failing here: ERROR: '/home/deluxe/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc_2.6.1.bb' failed Dec 27 19:16:10 do_configure Dec 27 19:16:11 Right now, no, really Dec 27 19:16:12 I can't Dec 27 19:16:15 I'm cooking Dec 27 19:16:18 quickdev: he can't be younger than me so 15 is a bit too young Dec 27 19:16:25 Ainulind2le, something tasty at least? Dec 27 19:16:28 configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check Dec 27 19:16:37 TAsn: no Dec 27 19:16:39 anyone ever encountered that? Dec 27 19:16:41 french things Dec 27 19:17:04 Hire, snails? Dec 27 19:17:08 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartiflette <= Dec 27 19:17:11 probably Dec 27 19:17:24 But mine usually look far better Dec 27 19:17:48 it looks weird as parmiggiana Dec 27 19:17:50 http://www.calaquendi.org/gallery/v/Tartiflette-Binomiale/DSCN1659.jpg.html <= Dec 27 19:18:13 http://www.buttalapasta.it/img/parmigiana3.jpg <-- this Dec 27 19:18:23 parmigiana, sorry Dec 27 19:18:31 Nothing to do with that Dec 27 19:19:02 http://www.ottonedegliulivi.it/cgi-bin/ricette/parmigina.jpg Dec 27 19:19:06 this looks better Dec 27 19:19:18 Hire, you are lucky no doubt about that, eating italian food all day ;] Dec 27 19:19:20 however, i don't like that :) Dec 27 19:19:27 ahah yes :D Dec 27 19:19:30 anyhow, now I'm really off. Dec 27 19:19:35 today i eat fettuccine with ragù Dec 27 19:19:47 s/eat/ate Dec 27 19:19:49 gr.. Dec 27 19:19:55 I ate korn-flakes Dec 27 19:20:26 korn-flakes? Dec 27 19:20:35 GO OUT CHILD OF SATAN Dec 27 19:20:41 this is blasphemy Dec 27 19:20:58 and for lunch I ate toasts and cottage cheese with tomatoes. Dec 27 19:21:11 Hire, that's what people who don't cook do! ;[ Dec 27 19:21:26 oh and I also ate minestrone soup. Dec 27 19:21:32 and who doens't know how to cooks Dec 27 19:21:47 ( see ainulind2le :* ) Dec 27 19:22:20 Hire, I should thank you for the minestrone, you italians know how to handle a pan.! Dec 27 19:22:34 (or actually a pot in this case) Dec 27 19:22:46 minestrone is a bit generic :D Dec 27 19:22:46 well I'm off getting some more delicious soup Dec 27 19:22:53 we had so much soup Dec 27 19:23:03 and go and do some homework. Dec 27 19:23:25 i am going to take a bit of smoke Dec 27 19:23:29 i am tired today Dec 27 19:23:33 Hire, GRR don't patronize me with your italians cooking skills. Dec 27 19:23:37 ! Dec 27 19:23:39 cya. Dec 27 19:23:41 ;] Dec 27 19:23:53 bye lady Dec 27 19:26:43 i had spend 2 months to write you nick Dec 27 19:27:03 without going mad :D Dec 27 19:27:06 Hire: take that http://www.grillen-barbecue.at/blunzn_gr.jpg Dec 27 19:27:19 what the frack is that? Dec 27 19:27:25 Blunzn Dec 27 19:28:28 it scaring me Dec 27 19:28:31 a special kind of traditional Austrian food - similar to blackpudding but better Dec 27 19:29:37 blackpudding? Dec 27 19:29:51 http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2762/blackpudding028nm.jpg <-- this? Dec 27 19:30:39 :D Dec 27 19:30:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding Dec 27 19:31:20 but we do it better than the English (their cooking usually sucks) Dec 27 19:31:33 cooking blood? Dec 27 19:31:38 oh my god Dec 27 19:31:51 my sexual life now is ruined :( Dec 27 19:36:41 Hire: if you don't know what is in it it tastes delicious Dec 27 20:01:25 dos1: so you overcame the bugs? Dec 27 20:02:07 bumbl: bugs are with windows Dec 27 20:02:14 now i have all in one window Dec 27 20:02:43 ah ok Dec 27 20:03:18 bumbl: with toolbar it will be only one window ;] Dec 27 20:03:24 like now Dec 27 20:03:41 but other bugs are still there... Dec 27 20:03:45 yeah Dec 27 20:03:46 ok Dec 27 20:04:27 like changed signal in toggle in python binding is referring to clicked signal i c library Dec 27 20:04:36 in c library* Dec 27 20:22:22 Hi. Any SHR hacker around? Dec 27 20:23:55 nomeata: in which sense? ;] Dec 27 20:24:19 dos1: someone that knows why _hide is missing in src/phonegui-contacts.c Dec 27 20:24:36 nomeata: maybe quickdev Dec 27 20:24:46 yes, but he’s not on right now. I’ll try later Dec 27 20:48:23 Does anybody still have this error on shr? Package libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch. Dec 27 21:14:29 Ainulindale: still got that libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum problem, should i post it to trac? Dec 27 21:15:00 Here are others with the same reporting, http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1802482 Dec 27 21:22:01 jonkristian: what image do you have? Dec 27 21:22:40 mrmoku: latest in testing, shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Dec 27 21:24:13 jonkristian: hmm, don't know in what state the testing repo is... Dec 27 21:24:30 dos1: great work on shr-settings :) Dec 27 21:24:32 it should be updated soon with the new phone gui anyway Dec 27 21:24:34 dos1: looks great :) Dec 27 21:24:44 mrmoku: what are you using? unstable? Dec 27 21:25:08 yep Dec 27 21:25:31 guess ill reflash Dec 27 21:25:40 PBeck: thanks :) later it will be fragmented by tabs on toolbar, like in illume-config Dec 27 21:25:44 I'm quite happy with unstable :-) Dec 27 21:25:49 mrmoku: cool Dec 27 21:26:09 PBeck: but python-elementary has many lacks, so i must wait to new version Dec 27 21:27:44 dos1: email morphis he will fix it :D Dec 27 21:30:03 PBeck: ok, i found his email ;] Dec 27 21:30:33 PBeck: morphis wants to release a new version for days now Dec 27 21:30:59 dos1: morphis has created the python-bindings ;) Dec 27 21:31:22 PBeck: i know, i found his email in python-elementary sources ;D Dec 27 21:32:07 bumbl: to be lenient toward morphis - its christmas :> Dec 27 21:32:18 PBeck: i am Dec 27 21:33:40 has anybody the problem that after a longer time - days / weeks (with reboots) the gps-modem get no fix anymore? Dec 27 21:33:52 PBeck: run fso-gpsd Dec 27 21:33:56 but not from /etc/init.d Dec 27 21:34:06 PBeck: initscript is broken Dec 27 21:34:21 dos1: but it works for days / weeks? Dec 27 21:39:30 days/weeks? Darn good!! You should be delighted! :D Dec 27 21:39:57 mwester: lol Dec 27 21:40:19 mwester: thats not funny ;) From one day to another - no fix or gps-data anymore :p Dec 27 21:40:48 DocScrutinizer2: good news, thanx Dec 27 21:41:40 is it possible to lock the screen through the power menu? Dec 27 21:41:50 enlightenment say => no pam-support Dec 27 21:46:30 BluesLee, here? Dec 27 21:46:59 TAsn: pong Dec 27 21:47:07 BluesLee, I changed your theme to use the digital clock Dec 27 21:47:17 and kept the old icons, I need colors ;] Dec 27 21:47:18 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/964cdce3c90c86dc17cdd8e68c2a683d.png Dec 27 21:47:54 TAsn: dont use the digital one, raster said that it isnt good implemented and costs a lot of cpu Dec 27 21:48:07 oh really? ;[ Dec 27 21:48:13 well I don't like the analog ;[ Dec 27 21:48:23 i also dont like it Dec 27 21:48:40 lol. Dec 27 21:48:43 where do i get that wallpaper? Dec 27 21:48:59 jonkristian, what wall paper? Dec 27 21:48:59 TAsn: you have to exchange the wallpaper there its proprietary afaik Dec 27 21:49:04 1099 root 10 -10 26180 15m 7420 S 0.3 12.2 0:23.48 enlightenment Dec 27 21:49:08 BluesLee, ;\ Dec 27 21:49:11 @ BluesLee Dec 27 21:49:29 btw BluesLee how do I change the width of the background so I'll be able to use a pic? Dec 27 21:49:34 BluesLee: after delete the dropshadows ... Dec 27 21:49:37 tasn & jonkristian: i am not sure, google for android wallpapers Dec 27 21:49:56 BluesLee: with the normal shr-theme Dec 27 21:51:08 TAsn & jonkristian: maybe its a "free" one Dec 27 21:51:32 I hate fucking licenses ;] Dec 27 21:51:47 but we need to be correct here Dec 27 21:51:52 I know. Dec 27 21:52:12 I won't up anything propriety, don't worry. Dec 27 21:52:17 TAsn: what is the problem at the bottom of you scap? Dec 27 21:52:27 it's your background Dec 27 21:52:34 for some reason it doesn't stretch Dec 27 21:52:46 hmmm Dec 27 21:52:49 but it stayed tiled, like in the illume-shr theme. Dec 27 21:53:12 size { Dec 27 21:53:13 relative: 0 1.0; Dec 27 21:53:13 offset: 36 0; Dec 27 21:53:13 } Dec 27 21:53:18 I wonder what those mean Dec 27 21:53:32 (hard to tell, I don't know where the man is at) Dec 27 21:54:54 okay, it didnt load for me also, i picked it by hand settings -> look-> wallpaper Dec 27 21:55:36 pardon me, but that's a fucked up solution. ;] Dec 27 21:55:51 i know Dec 27 22:00:14 haha success! ;] Dec 27 22:00:47 BluesLee, lines 16-17 Dec 27 22:00:51 change to Dec 27 22:00:53 Ainulindale: I’m trying to build SHR on Debian. Any idea where this might come from: Dec 27 22:00:54 ** ERROR **: Loading libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0 failed: /usr/lib/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0: undefined symbol: dialer_view_hide Dec 27 22:00:59 relative: 1.0 1.0; Dec 27 22:00:59 offset: 0 0; Dec 27 22:01:23 i think the digital clock is not the problem Dec 27 22:01:29 the dropshadows eats the cpu-time Dec 27 22:01:43 i removed the module Dec 27 22:01:59 maybe rebooting helps Dec 27 22:02:00 BluesLee, did you see my fix? Dec 27 22:02:09 Ainulindale: oh, nevermind, I created the tarball in a bad way Dec 27 22:02:19 tasn yes, will try it son Dec 27 22:05:27 wait Dec 27 22:05:28 wait Dec 27 22:05:29 wait Dec 27 22:05:40 dos1 Dec 27 22:05:48 i like so much your shr-settings Dec 27 22:05:48 Hire, wanna design something for the shelf? Dec 27 22:05:54 sure i will Dec 27 22:05:59 i have some ideas Dec 27 22:06:22 but i want the shr-settings order by category Dec 27 22:06:33 as "network, display, date, info, etc" Dec 27 22:07:04 Hire: yes, it will be ordered Dec 27 22:07:11 dos1 Dec 27 22:07:25 Hire: if only python-elementary will have Toolbar :] Dec 27 22:07:28 i prefer as illume-config Dec 27 22:07:31 a toolbar Dec 27 22:07:40 where you can drag right to left Dec 27 22:07:49 and choose the category Dec 27 22:07:55 yeah, that thing :D Dec 27 22:07:57 Hire: i exacly want to do this Dec 27 22:08:02 TAsn: can you post cpu and mem for e with htop? Dec 27 22:08:03 i will do something for the topshelf Dec 27 22:08:05 COOL Dec 27 22:08:07 nice Dec 27 22:08:08 Hire: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft%3ASHRSettingsApp?version=6 Dec 27 22:08:09 wonderful Dec 27 22:08:11 wondebar Dec 27 22:08:16 and other words Dec 27 22:08:22 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApp * Dec 27 22:08:38 Hire: if you have some idea, place it here ;] Dec 27 22:08:54 Hire: categories?;-) Dec 27 22:09:04 sure Dec 27 22:09:13 root 1281 15.7 11.0 24704 13864 ? S< Dec26 255:39 enlightenment Dec 27 22:09:17 yes, blueslee Dec 27 22:09:26 dos1: a gsminfo? Dec 27 22:09:36 as network information Dec 27 22:09:39 BluesLee, how's this: http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=61428&file1=61428-1.jpg&file2=61428-2.jpg&file3=&name=Waterfire Dec 27 22:09:40 ? Dec 27 22:09:44 a gps sat viewer Dec 27 22:09:52 as agps-openmoko2 does Dec 27 22:10:36 Hire: all "frames" are in modules, you can write your own module for shr-settings Dec 27 22:10:53 TAsn: really nice, but you have to try them out, for instance the robot didnt fit though i like the guy:-) Dec 27 22:11:07 hehe. Dec 27 22:11:11 yeah the robot sucks ;] Dec 27 22:11:11 Hire: info about gsm is in todo on trac wiki, and in my personal todo ;) Dec 27 22:11:19 nice Dec 27 22:11:22 ah and rotate Dec 27 22:11:28 with accel on/off Dec 27 22:11:39 Hire: place your ideas here: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApp Dec 27 22:11:44 Hire: you mean categories for the desktop icons? games, gsm ... Dec 27 22:11:57 nono :D Dec 27 22:12:03 BluesLee: no, in shr-settings Dec 27 22:12:03 categories for shr-settings Dec 27 22:12:07 okay Dec 27 22:12:25 dos1: i am in office saldy but i will do that Dec 27 22:12:38 dos1: i think settings for illume / enlightenment should be in illume-config Dec 27 22:12:40 Hire: i would say info != settings Dec 27 22:12:43 kiss Dec 27 22:12:51 :* Dec 27 22:12:57 Hire: this is my latest attempt http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a8b2b3d1d29eb3b5c88979a479777924.png Dec 27 22:13:00 nah Dec 27 22:13:05 keep it simple stuipid Dec 27 22:13:09 cool Dec 27 22:13:15 i want your edc file Dec 27 22:13:18 dos1: raster will fix it so it should be usable in the future i think Dec 27 22:13:19 now :D Dec 27 22:13:19 PBeck: i think that too ;] Dec 27 22:14:17 dos1: gprs Dec 27 22:14:36 dos1: perhaps you can integrate mofi into the wifi-part Dec 27 22:15:02 ah ok gprs is on the wiki-list Dec 27 22:15:02 PBeck: yes, i was thinking about integrate mofi Dec 27 22:15:44 hum is it possible that the freerunner act as a mass storage device? Dec 27 22:15:50 how much cpu take enlightenment on you neo? Dec 27 22:15:57 PBeck: yes, but that's not my idea ;] Dec 27 22:17:47 http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=71442&file1=71442-1.jpg&file2=71442-2.jpg&file3=71442-3.jpg&name=Dont+Panik Dec 27 22:17:47 lol Dec 27 22:17:49 dos1: a aux and power menu will be usefull too. For take a screenshot, rotate, other actions ;) Dec 27 22:18:00 dos1: i think raster will program one :> Dec 27 22:18:15 well raster can't do anything Dec 27 22:18:26 he is just one person with limited time Dec 27 22:18:35 http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=90233&file1=90233-1.png&file2=90233-2.png&file3=90233-3.png&name=Absolutist <= i like that BluesLee :> Dec 27 22:18:56 TAsn: http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=71442&file1=71442-1.jpg&file2=71442-2.jpg&file3=71442-3.jpg&name=Dont+Panik <- that's better Dec 27 22:18:57 not bad Dec 27 22:19:12 bumbl: lol Dec 27 22:19:42 i will try the waterfire Dec 27 22:19:47 PBeck, sweet link, tryiny that out. Dec 27 22:24:42 BluesLee, man, it's hard finding something good ;0 Dec 27 22:26:02 TAsn: i have to find the topshelf wallpaper, it fits neatless to something that is black on the top side Dec 27 22:26:22 yeah. Dec 27 22:26:53 I really think we need a blackish background (clean or as close as possible) and a cool not too crowded shelf. Dec 27 22:29:20 TAsn: black with a logo or something Dec 27 22:29:34 oh no - brighter :p Dec 27 22:29:39 not black ;) Dec 27 22:29:49 the waterfire doesnt fit :-) Dec 27 22:29:59 BluesLee: take mine :p Dec 27 22:30:00 too much ocons Dec 27 22:30:10 we have to much icons Dec 27 22:30:23 so we cant see the beauty of the wallpapers;-) Dec 27 22:30:31 BluesLee: lol Dec 27 22:30:47 we need more desktops with lesser icons Dec 27 22:30:50 hehe Dec 27 22:30:51 BluesLee, I agree. Dec 27 22:30:56 ;] Dec 27 22:31:39 waterfire would be nice for a splash screen or zedlock Dec 27 22:32:20 we need a kind an easy way to switch the virtual desktops (e.g. gestures) Dec 27 22:32:31 + only on one desktop the applications Dec 27 22:33:08 bumbl: the virtual desktops are only for started apps Dec 27 22:33:36 BluesLee: at the moment Dec 27 22:33:44 this could be changed Dec 27 22:34:02 + on shr-theme there isn't a way to change the virtual desktop Dec 27 22:34:20 bumbl: gestures are difficult ... Dec 27 22:34:52 PBeck: the e keyboard has gestures, one can easily do gestures with python,... Dec 27 22:35:00 they can't be that difficult Dec 27 22:35:20 bumbl: how you will use gestures when you for example at the tangogps window? Dec 27 22:35:39 PBeck: you don't use them Dec 27 22:35:49 you use them only when you are on the main screen Dec 27 22:35:52 you have only one option => use gestures at the application or in the system Dec 27 22:36:32 gestures to the applications Dec 27 22:36:43 bumbl: why you need more virtual desktops? Dec 27 22:36:44 but the e desktop is an aplication too Dec 27 22:37:16 PBeck: you know the way android makes use of virtual desktops? Dec 27 22:37:58 bumbl: no Dec 27 22:38:28 well on one "deskop" you have the app launchers Dec 27 22:38:37 on others you have applications and gadgets Dec 27 22:40:08 i think we only need a free today screen Dec 27 22:40:19 where we can place gadgets on it Dec 27 22:40:49 a extr desktop only for applications is useless - the applauncher is a application too ;) Dec 27 22:40:55 *extra Dec 27 22:41:17 i think its important too, to have categories for the applications Dec 27 22:42:16 we have that already Dec 27 22:42:33 TAsn & hire: i foud it, http://s3vendays.deviantart.com/art/A-Dark-Starry-Night-Wallpaper-68945495 Dec 27 22:43:04 bumbl: where? Dec 27 22:43:33 PBeck: under settings go to launcher and use slider Dec 27 22:43:46 bumbl: slider is not realy a alternative ... lol Dec 27 22:43:51 *really Dec 27 22:43:54 *an Dec 27 22:44:06 oh it is Dec 27 22:44:15 if the applications were tagged correctly Dec 27 22:44:26 and if the icons would be changed to fit Dec 27 22:45:19 bumbl: the performance is .... bad ... it shows ugly ... and i search to long for an application Dec 27 22:45:32 bumbl: i like the icons-view Dec 27 22:45:32 performance is good Dec 27 22:45:51 the ugly thing is only because we use the wrong icons (wrong icon resolution) Dec 27 22:45:54 bumbl: but i think it will be usefull to add a layer above the app-icons Dec 27 22:46:00 TAsn: looks like proprietary stuff:-( i will find something cooler;-) Dec 27 22:46:10 but yes you are right you search long for an application Dec 27 22:47:22 bumbl: i have no new information on this topic yet, but raster means for a few weeks - hey works on that Dec 27 22:47:29 bumbl: the same on the aux and power, menu Dec 27 22:47:37 bumbl: today-screen ... Dec 27 22:47:41 bumbl: he works on all :> Dec 27 22:47:55 we get a today screen? Dec 27 22:47:57 cool Dec 27 22:48:36 a guy here wants to replace the default aux by zedlock Dec 27 22:49:11 BluesLee: thats not new - i have tested it Dec 27 22:49:20 BluesLee: a gadget-screen :p Dec 27 22:49:39 PBeck: well still raster is genius but he is one man and he wants to do all that + phone apps + another test app for swisscom Dec 27 22:49:45 PBeck: i have 1% with the illume theme now Dec 27 22:49:52 im off Dec 27 22:49:56 BluesLee, thanks and gn. Dec 27 22:50:00 me too Dec 27 22:50:01 bye Dec 27 22:50:06 PBeck: but 15% with my modified illume shr Dec 27 22:50:16 http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=783&p=8159&hilit=zedlock#p8128 BluesLee Dec 27 22:50:19 TAsn: cu, good night Dec 27 22:50:26 BluesLee, btw Dec 27 22:50:28 http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gartoon+Icon+theme+(v0.4.5)?content=13527 Dec 27 22:50:33 very cool icon theme! Dec 27 22:50:37 BluesLee: hum funny Dec 27 22:50:50 BluesLee, the colors look great with a black background!!! Dec 27 22:51:06 TAsn: nice ones Dec 27 22:51:29 BluesLee: zedlock still exists for fso and the aux-button Dec 27 22:51:36 sec i'll scap a demo. Dec 27 22:51:37 PBeck: no, he wants to modify it so that it unlocks automaticalls for incoming calls ... Dec 27 22:51:54 BluesLee: ah ok Dec 27 22:52:18 BluesLee: i've done it with rules.yaml and ArteK's clock&lock Dec 27 22:52:56 dos1: ArteK's clock&lock? Dec 27 22:53:03 BluesLee, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9d4858281dcad623777725ab8642ab56.png Dec 27 22:53:07 look at the pdf icon Dec 27 22:53:16 it's amazing with the black bg Dec 27 22:53:16 ;] Dec 27 22:53:20 I like the coloring. Dec 27 22:53:36 yeah! Dec 27 22:53:47 TAsn: i think it will be look cooler with a brighter background :> Dec 27 22:53:57 the red pdf icon?! Dec 27 22:54:02 maybe a tad brighter Dec 27 22:54:12 i like it bright :> Dec 27 22:54:17 my main point is the icon theme! ;] Dec 27 22:54:31 http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gartoon+Icon+theme+(v0.4.5)?content=13527 Dec 27 22:54:39 should look amazingly well Dec 27 22:54:47 especially with a black bg. Dec 27 22:54:56 TAsn: i used gant on the zaurus Dec 27 22:55:09 you what? Dec 27 22:55:50 http://www.zaurusthemes.biz/oddpics/gant.jpg Dec 27 22:56:11 so i will go offline now Dec 27 22:56:13 bye bye Dec 27 22:56:13 again, what's that? Dec 27 22:56:15 good night :) Dec 27 22:56:19 I,m also leaving Dec 27 22:56:20 night. Dec 27 22:56:29 TAsn: zaurus? linux pda ... Dec 27 22:56:33 BluesLee, please consider trying out the icon set I linked ya. Dec 27 22:56:44 BluesLee, it rings a bell, nothing more ;] Dec 27 22:57:19 http://www.zaurusthemes.biz/oddpics/mycurrent1.jpg Dec 27 22:57:49 TAsn: did a bookmark Dec 27 22:58:33 TAsn: whats that DESIGN SCIENCE LICENSE? Dec 27 23:00:11 okay, also tired Dec 27 23:00:16 godd night folks Dec 27 23:14:57 Hey Dec 27 23:15:43 quickdev: ah du kommst wie gerufen :> Dec 27 23:15:53 was gibts? ;) Dec 27 23:16:25 wie stehen die chancen ein pybluez paket in die shr repos zu bekommen? Dec 27 23:16:44 wenn es das in openembedded nicht gibt, ziemlich gut ;) Dec 27 23:17:46 Flyser|berlin, aufm 3C? ;) Dec 27 23:18:12 ja Dec 27 23:19:07 ich verstehe nicht!!! Dec 27 23:19:08 :D Dec 27 23:19:34 quickdev: warum nicht wenn es das in den oe-repos gibt? Dec 27 23:19:46 dos1: events.ccc.de Dec 27 23:20:19 Flyser, wenn es ein oe pybluez package gibt und du das willst, kein problem Dec 27 23:20:30 ich dachte du hättest ein eigenes recipe dafür erstellt ;) Dec 27 23:20:34 achso Dec 27 23:20:42 nein eben noch nicht Dec 27 23:20:50 ich hab mein toolchain zuhause vergessen Dec 27 23:21:06 und bin zu faul n neues aufzusetzen =) Dec 27 23:21:34 ich könnt es auch einfach aufm buildhost kompilieren und du kannst es dir per opkg install holen Dec 27 23:21:45 das wär cool Dec 27 23:21:55 Flyser, shr-unstable? Dec 27 23:22:07 nein, testing Dec 27 23:22:13 to kto chce pogadać ze mnÄ… po polsku? :D Dec 27 23:24:21 damn sry^^ I thought this was neo1973-germany Dec 27 23:24:59 * Flyser|berlin is still not familiar with his new irc client Dec 27 23:33:25 Flyser|berlin, opkg update ; opkg install python-pybluez Dec 27 23:33:42 now thats service :D Dec 27 23:33:49 big thanks :) Dec 27 23:43:53 Flyser|berlin, bastelst du an einer bluetooth app? Dec 27 23:44:29 ja Dec 27 23:44:53 mit der man dateien an andere handies schicken kann? Dec 27 23:44:57 n freund spielt grad mit seiner wiimote rum und ich tue selbiges mit dem neo :) Dec 27 23:45:02 nein Dec 27 23:45:10 achso ;) Dec 27 23:56:14 quickdev: help me Dec 27 23:56:23 ptitjes is trying to convince me Dec 27 23:56:23 Ainulindale, how? ;) Dec 27 23:56:29 :-p Dec 27 23:56:37 give him beer Dec 27 23:56:58 Ainulindale, what is he trying to convince you about? Dec 27 23:57:14 Too many things Dec 27 23:57:35 quickdev: I'll talk about these things later on Dec 27 23:57:41 But I think we'll have a lot to talk about Dec 27 23:57:51 ok, serious things? :) Dec 27 23:57:59 quickdev: ptitjes says to tell you ":-)" Dec 27 23:58:05 With a lot implied Dec 27 23:58:14 hehe Dec 27 23:58:17 what topics? Dec 27 23:58:19 Such as "you're young, I'd like to..." Dec 27 23:58:37 Itake control Dec 27 23:58:57 ptijes: don't losten to Ainu Dec 27 23:58:59 oh, it's really serious Dec 27 23:59:03 ;D Dec 27 23:59:08 He doesn't even know hows to type on my compyter Dec 27 23:59:20 s/yte/ute/ Dec 27 23:59:20 Ainulindale meant: He doesn't even know hows to type on my computer Dec 27 23:59:33 That's just proof how unefficient he is Dec 27 23:59:54 But I'll talk to you about his ideas quickdev Dec 28 00:00:10 yeah, ok - what topics? Dec 28 00:00:10 Which aren't, as usual, dumb Dec 28 00:00:16 quickdev: well Dec 28 00:00:22 replace oeventsd/opimd Dec 28 00:00:38 I think we ought to talk about that with mickeyl too Dec 28 00:00:46 yeah, sounds like that Dec 28 00:00:50 Because I think he'll get crazy Dec 28 00:00:57 hehe Dec 28 00:01:06 But it's interesting Dec 28 00:01:15 wnat Dec 28 00:01:19 erhm Dec 28 00:01:21 what? Dec 28 00:01:30 Because it implies some things about framework design issues we talked about a while ago Dec 28 00:01:36 and I say what what in butt Dec 28 00:01:39 Hire: Get lost ! Dec 28 00:01:53 yeah Dec 28 00:01:59 quickdev: ptitjes says he drank too much beer already by the way Dec 28 00:02:05 i don't get what you are talking about Dec 28 00:02:13 We're off Dec 28 00:02:20 give him more..tilll the ideas are getting dumb again ;) Dec 28 00:02:21 Drinking some more beers Dec 28 00:02:23 and i don't know you want to make sex with ptitjes Dec 28 00:02:33 +why Dec 28 00:02:38 Hire: I'm not italian Dec 28 00:02:46 sadly, not :/ Dec 28 00:03:23 don't put on me the truth... it hurts Dec 28 00:03:57 ptitjes come with me... leave ainulindale alone... i have the cookies Dec 28 00:16:07 there are no updates in unstable for few days! Dec 28 00:16:21 dos1, there will be some soon :) Dec 28 00:16:27 however..gn8 ;) Dec 28 00:29:50 Damn ptitjes Dec 28 00:29:56 I think we're both drunk Dec 28 00:32:02 i am not drunk :( Dec 28 00:32:17 i drink only a stupid peroni ( hi mrmoku ) and a campari mix Dec 28 00:32:28 however i am going out 10 minutes to smoke Dec 28 00:40:02 just getting a bunch of Error 0 for whatever package i try to install, with shr-unstable Dec 28 00:45:30 should there be // in the urls? in /etc/opk/* Dec 28 01:30:29 anyone around? Dec 28 01:30:35 No. Dec 28 01:30:47 okay Dec 28 01:30:53 I was joking Dec 28 01:30:59 i know Dec 28 01:31:36 I just got my freerunner on christmas and I'm wondering how I can help out Dec 28 01:33:36 I'm currently running SHR if that makes any difference Dec 28 01:43:53 what are you good at? Dec 28 01:44:03 there are plenty of bugs to go around... Dec 28 01:49:11 what am I good at? Well, I'm know C++ pretty well Dec 28 01:49:16 *I Dec 28 01:51:48 I'm a comp sci major if that gives you any more detail Dec 28 01:54:47 christian: Basically, I've had a lot of experience with different programming languages and I love writing code Dec 28 01:57:16 do you have a working build environment? That is a challenge in itself Dec 28 02:01:38 I'd suggest you get a working build system, then take a look at the list of active bugs (http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report/1) and find yourself something you like and fix it Dec 28 02:02:01 that's the openmoko official one, only some of that will be relevant to SHR Dec 28 02:02:53 christian: Okay, does the fact that I use SHR effect my ability to help out? Dec 28 02:03:52 depends, I've never used SHR, but I suspect they share a lot of stuff Dec 28 02:04:00 either way, the build system comes with an emulator Dec 28 02:04:12 so unless it's really low level you should be able to fix it in the emulator Dec 28 02:04:53 you may also want to look into what SHR does for bug tracking and fix something there, and let the patches get ported back into the official one Dec 28 02:06:31 okay, I'll check all that stuff out and I'll let you know when I get the build environment working Dec 28 02:08:12 k, take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile Dec 28 02:08:17 they should help a lot Dec 28 02:08:41 christian: I tried two days ago, and mokomakefile wasn't working Dec 28 02:08:55 christian: one branch does not exist, the other fails building Dec 28 02:09:11 yeah, it's broken in at least 3 places when I've run it, I have to keep changing things in the build system Dec 28 02:10:11 first the Ubuntu fortify bug, next the binary-locales bug and lastly the illume-fetch bug Dec 28 02:10:44 I really wish I knew how to submit patches for the build system :( Dec 28 02:11:06 christian: depends on which place the fix is in Dec 28 02:11:15 christian: for the mokomakefile itself, send to rwhitby Dec 28 02:11:37 christian: for the rest, create a bug report on the openmoko trac and attach the patch Dec 28 02:12:05 not the mokomakefile, it's been in conf files mostly Dec 28 02:12:30 christian: unless you are using one of the community distros which come directly from openembedded.org, for these you need to use the openembedded bug tracker Dec 28 02:12:51 nah, I'm using openmoko official Dec 28 02:12:55 * cesarb has sent patches for build problems in the past, back when most people did not even have a GTA01 Dec 28 02:13:45 ...back when it was *bugzilla* instead of trac, in fact Dec 28 02:13:59 * cesarb prefers bugzilla for some reason **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 28 02:59:57 2008