**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 31 02:59:58 2008 Dec 31 04:59:32 Hi, I need a little help. My SIM card isn't registering in my phone, what should I do? Dec 31 05:01:12 panic! Dec 31 05:01:39 massive freakout Dec 31 05:03:09 well, I'm not so much panicking but there was a slight sinking feeling that I bought a go phone plan Dec 31 05:06:19 jhass840: oh, I use that too Dec 31 05:06:25 sometimes it takes more than one try to register Dec 31 05:06:36 you can ask them for a different type of SIM card to get a more reliable connection Dec 31 05:06:43 it's all on the wiki Dec 31 05:06:46 Or just upgrade the GSM firmware Dec 31 05:07:10 cjb: can you link me? Dec 31 05:07:24 mwester: that doesn't work for the AT&T problem; it's an electrical contacts problem. Dec 31 05:07:29 (oddly shaped SIM card) Dec 31 05:07:37 jhass840: not without doing the search Dec 31 05:08:06 cjb: Okay, but the SIM card eventually works right? Dec 31 05:08:08 hmmm.. I thought that was debunked as a false diagnosis of the problem... Dec 31 05:08:18 mwester: oh, maybe Dec 31 05:08:45 jhass840: there might be some SIM cards that don't work at all and require replacement. I don't have one of those. Dec 31 05:08:47 Anyway, I was going to note that I use a go-phone SIM as well, and it works fine -- but mine is very old. Dec 31 05:09:04 yeah, the problem is with the 3G ones Dec 31 05:09:05 I just got mine in the mail today Dec 31 05:09:15 Damn, that's the one I have Dec 31 05:10:39 Upgrading the GSM firmware fixes this problem? Dec 31 05:10:58 dunno, I haven't done that Dec 31 05:11:01 is it easy to upgrade? Dec 31 05:11:25 I don't even know how to do that. Never owned a GSM phone before Dec 31 06:36:31 GSM is funny. Dec 31 07:14:42 mickey|away: Hi there. Do you have any opinion on the following use-case: user starts Zhone (or any other phone application), but doesn't wait enough for the full sim readiness and tries to suspend the phone. Should frameworkd prevent suspending at all? It'd too restrictive. But if it doesn't, it can miss the sim ready response (does calypso issue it during suspend? Will it fit its buffer while waiting for resume so framework Dec 31 07:27:56 Sargun: Hi. Joerg told me yesterday that atm their best guess about #1024 is the 220k R, supposedly they still didn't get the answer from the guy who placed it there (OM-the-company has strange inter-communication failures, it seems :( ). And they weren't able to reproduce it at CCC. I'm not experiencing it either, so i can't really try. What do you think about it? ;) Dec 31 07:58:49 shr need help Dec 31 07:59:03 mqy: go Dec 31 07:59:09 I just upgrade it from testing to unstable Dec 31 07:59:19 by editing /etc/opkg/* Dec 31 07:59:28 then I enter configuration Dec 31 07:59:45 adjusted several configs Dec 31 08:00:03 now, now configuration on top bar Dec 31 08:00:11 cannot find it Dec 31 08:00:45 I guess the cause is gadets? Dec 31 08:00:47 you can choose it as a module in slipshelf Dec 31 08:01:00 I clicked on some items Dec 31 08:01:14 can not enter that menu Dec 31 08:01:21 okay Dec 31 08:01:27 rm -rf .e Dec 31 08:01:29 no icon on top left Dec 31 08:01:33 in your home dir Dec 31 08:01:41 ok Dec 31 08:01:42 and restart x Dec 31 08:03:08 back :) Dec 31 08:03:37 go to slipshelf Dec 31 08:03:42 thanks Dec 31 08:04:13 there you can choose the gadgets to be loaded on the hidden and non hidden part of the topshelf Dec 31 08:04:36 do you mean that one can be poll left <-> right? Dec 31 08:04:39 i guess you have removed the settings there Dec 31 08:04:47 maybe Dec 31 08:05:13 there you can choose clock, battery ... Dec 31 08:05:30 some dialog is so terrible Dec 31 08:05:57 I can not see whole view Dec 31 08:06:11 i know Dec 31 08:06:32 the good thing is that you will not need may dialogs Dec 31 08:06:38 maybe wallpaper Dec 31 08:06:42 Anyway, this is the best one I've ever tried Dec 31 08:07:06 the dialog settings are from desktop Dec 31 08:07:17 Android, openmoko 2008-08/09/12/testing, debian + LXDE, etc Dec 31 08:07:24 within 3 weeks Dec 31 08:07:39 forget abdroid Dec 31 08:07:50 s/abdroid/android Dec 31 08:08:08 its not ready yet Dec 31 08:08:11 the UI is mobile friendly enough than, say debian Dec 31 08:08:43 sure Dec 31 08:08:56 before I get fr, I spent quit a lot time on android Dec 31 08:08:58 but that was clear Dec 31 08:09:16 mainly VM Dec 31 08:09:36 i also tried googles emu Dec 31 08:10:00 config dialogs need squeezing into lower resolutions Dec 31 08:10:01 android is not quit open as expected Dec 31 08:10:09 did the normal config panle that u see listing items Dec 31 08:10:09 ast least no real shell Dec 31 08:10:12 hi raster Dec 31 08:10:13 but not every dialog yet Dec 31 08:10:18 :) Dec 31 08:10:23 Sargun: looking at the component placement pdf i see the R1050 (at the upper corner of U1001), but... It seems it is inside a can soldered to the board in too many places (haven't looked at the real board yet). Changing it might get tricky... Dec 31 08:10:52 I'd like to do more tests Dec 31 08:11:13 One things is about i18n Dec 31 08:11:15 raster: i am pretty sure that you can help me with the high cpu usage of e, i observed the following Dec 31 08:11:56 contacts does not show CJK correctly Dec 31 08:12:06 I mean in edit control Dec 31 08:12:09 raster: cpu usage > 15%. then i did rm -rf .e and copied my theme to .e/e/themes, restartet x -> cpu usage 0% Dec 31 08:12:33 concat names, sms messages are display correct and nice Dec 31 08:12:41 raster: i removed dropshadows dir and e asked me to unload it Dec 31 08:12:43 doesnt help me Dec 31 08:13:01 raster: the problem is that after a reboot i am back at 15% Dec 31 08:13:11 still doesnt help me Dec 31 08:13:15 i never see the problem Dec 31 08:13:23 not on desktop nor laptop nor phone Dec 31 08:13:27 and its the same wm Dec 31 08:13:36 its even the same theme (pretty much) Dec 31 08:13:41 others also have a high cpu usage of e here Dec 31 08:13:53 what about backgound daemons? Dec 31 08:14:00 i'm wating until peolpe send me something that tells me what the cpu usage is Dec 31 08:14:06 mqy: can you start htop and have a look at the cpu usage of e? Dec 31 08:14:11 I can confirm frameworkd eats about 10% cpu Dec 31 08:14:19 ok Dec 31 08:14:32 ie get oprofile Dec 31 08:14:34 vmstat 3 ... Dec 31 08:14:36 put on debug packages Dec 31 08:14:39 and get a profile dump Dec 31 08:14:47 so i have actual function calls being run Dec 31 08:15:00 an strace of e with full output may be mildly handy Dec 31 08:15:01 94~95% idel Dec 31 08:15:10 otherwise a gdb attahc with strpping thru all calls Dec 31 08:15:15 %s/idel/idle/g Dec 31 08:15:19 and a dump of the stepping Dec 31 08:15:28 an ltrace may work too Dec 31 08:15:35 (enlightenment is using 30-35% here doing nothing right now) Dec 31 08:16:36 something is going wrong here in shr Dec 31 08:16:51 i dont see any of what you guys do Dec 31 08:16:54 ever Dec 31 08:17:07 raster: the cool thing, if e takes only 0% its fast, really fast:-) Dec 31 08:17:16 :) Dec 31 08:17:19 yeah, i guess we have to debug it Dec 31 08:17:25 i need you to basically tell me what e is doing Dec 31 08:17:29 and for that i need dumps Dec 31 08:17:37 from that i might be able to infer the trigger Dec 31 08:17:41 as above Dec 31 08:17:50 strace, opforfile dump, ltrace Dec 31 08:17:57 (with symbols) Dec 31 08:18:37 i have to reflash shr, is that also e what i see in 2008.12 images? Dec 31 08:18:54 i dont know Dec 31 08:18:57 i dont follow 2008.x Dec 31 08:19:07 i flashed it Dec 31 08:19:16 i wasnt able to boot it with qi Dec 31 08:19:38 but from nor Dec 31 08:19:49 booting time is incredible good Dec 31 08:20:11 hehehe Dec 31 08:20:13 i guess about 30-40 secs Dec 31 08:20:24 * raster hugs his beagleboard Dec 31 08:20:36 shutdown time is even faster Dec 31 08:20:43 it literally boots in like about 5-10sec Dec 31 08:21:01 fast little fucker Dec 31 08:21:05 wow Dec 31 08:21:10 IO for the sd card is 15-16m/sec Dec 31 08:21:17 ;)) Dec 31 08:21:20 for freerunenr sd io is < 1m/sec Dec 31 08:21:28 nand is about 2-3m/s Dec 31 08:21:43 man omap3530 is a fast little bugger Dec 31 08:23:07 i need to get my images built Dec 31 08:23:22 so i can run the latest evas libs and expedite benchmark Dec 31 08:24:33 2008.12 looks like this http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dcd6e15217511eba7a04844300d80b40.png Dec 31 08:24:47 i guess this is illume or not? Dec 31 08:25:15 yes Dec 31 08:25:32 an old version i guess Dec 31 08:40:56 shr-unstable power management does not work well than shr-testing Dec 31 08:41:25 it suspends even when I actively click the screen Dec 31 10:05:10 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6b3c018a977e1087f28d8c92db88b87c.png <- alpha 2? ipk? Dec 31 10:34:38 hi Dec 31 10:34:49 hi Dec 31 10:43:42 'sup? Dec 31 10:44:30 sup whatß Dec 31 10:45:22 ^^ Dec 31 10:47:00 HiRe Dec 31 10:50:12 I downloaded the latest kernel and rootfs from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/. I am using SHR on my freerunner. When I go to Settings > all options say unknown. Dec 31 10:58:26 king: reboot Dec 31 10:59:30 bumbl, Done that. Still get everything unknown. Dec 31 10:59:44 bumbl, viq, Rebooted, GSM, Bluetooth, Brightness, etc everything unknown. Mofi also crashes. while booting I got a lot messages like udevd (#number) lookup group users '' unknown. Dec 31 11:00:05 yeah the error is that odeviced is started before dbus Dec 31 11:00:20 it is a known bug and should have been fixed afaik Dec 31 11:00:46 try shr-unstable Dec 31 11:01:12 bumbl, I got the latest images from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin. Do I need other files from that site? Dec 31 11:01:40 bumbl, Is it related to me geting the unknown in all those settings options? Dec 31 11:03:38 bumbl, Should I try the shr-unstable to get a more stable version? :) Dec 31 11:03:50 As the name suggests ;) Dec 31 11:04:46 ^^ Dec 31 11:05:03 viq, Which distro do you prefer? Dec 31 11:05:07 king: you could try an opkg update; opkg upgrade before Dec 31 11:05:13 + reboot Dec 31 11:07:56 bumbl, Could it be because I am such a big fool that I got shr from the images/neo1973 folder rather than images/om-gta02?!!! Dec 31 11:08:46 king: if you picked the "gta02" omage, its ok :) Dec 31 11:09:22 is the uImage-latest-* updated to the lates uImage, or do I need to get the uImage-2.6.* (with the latest date)? Dec 31 11:09:55 The shr-testing branch is more 'stable' than the shr-unstable, or is it the other way round? Dec 31 11:10:12 king: yes Dec 31 11:10:17 Mortak, I just got the shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Dec 31 11:10:24 because the neo1973 images are outdated afaik Dec 31 11:10:25 bumbl, You mean it is_not_the other way around? :) Dec 31 11:10:30 king: that sounds ok for me Dec 31 11:10:41 for "ME" :) Dec 31 11:10:41 Mortak, from the images/neo1973 folder! Dec 31 11:10:49 king: yeah Dec 31 11:10:57 hmm well nothing exceot the kernel in the gta02 folder though Dec 31 11:11:22 hmm Dec 31 11:11:36 bumbl, This folder http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/, just has the kernel, do I use the rootfs shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 from the images/neo1973 folder? Dec 31 11:11:57 Mortak, I don't get you. Do you mean to say that everything should work fine even if I got shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin, from the neo1973 folder? Dec 31 11:12:32 ALL, I have the GTA02/ neo not the 1973! Dec 31 11:13:10 king: i think so, i use the same ones Dec 31 11:14:01 king: I was playing with SHR for a while now. There came out pyneo that looks interesting, and I guess time to look at changes in OM and FDOM Dec 31 11:14:39 Mortak, My guess would be that as there is no rootfs in the images/om-gta02 folder we should use it from the images/neo1973 folder. And that we get the kernel from the images/om-gta02 folder. Dec 31 11:14:46 Does anyone who know better explain this? Dec 31 11:14:47 viq: don't look back at om Dec 31 11:14:59 their om2008 branch really sucks Dec 31 11:15:02 viq, What is pyneo? Dec 31 11:15:47 Ainulindale: any news on the angstrom distribution thing raster said? Dec 31 11:15:54 bumbl: hm, ok Dec 31 11:16:07 bumbl, Where should I get the SHR rootfs and kernel for my Neo? Dec 31 11:16:16 king: http://pyneo.org/ I can't tell you more than that Dec 31 11:17:11 king: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ <- that's what I use Dec 31 11:17:32 pyneo is an alternative "software stack"/backend Dec 31 11:17:40 they have some really nice ideas Dec 31 11:17:49 bumbl, Nicer than FSO's? Dec 31 11:17:55 and do similar things like fso Dec 31 11:18:03 and they were there even before fso Dec 31 11:18:22 does anyone have a goot gprs gui, the howtos i found are outdated, i think Dec 31 11:18:34 bumbl, But OM is putting its weight behind FSO. Does that mean anything? Dec 31 11:18:44 king: kind of nicer than fso Dec 31 11:18:57 king: pyneo was always a community work Dec 31 11:19:13 fso was from the beginning on paid by openmoko Dec 31 11:19:29 bumbl, viq Have you tried the pyneo images? If it is a backend, what frontend do they use in those images? Dec 31 11:19:45 and they saw that something like fso was needed, because pyneo pwned 2007.2 and 2008.8 Dec 31 11:19:50 king: it's backend and frontend Dec 31 11:19:52 ;]] Dec 31 11:19:55 king: 2 frontends: dinge and epydal Dec 31 11:20:01 bumbl, How many times they will reinvent the wheel with different number of spokes I wonder :( Dec 31 11:20:08 epydal: you find some scaps Dec 31 11:20:15 bumbl, scaps? Dec 31 11:20:32 scap.linuxtogo.org Dec 31 11:20:44 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/79f0c163f40562de8190a44891656f6b.png Dec 31 11:21:13 the illume theme is absolutely unstable on 2008.12 Dec 31 11:21:14 How do you backspace on SHR's qwerty keyboard? Dec 31 11:21:36 king: by tapping backspace button? Dec 31 11:21:36 king: right2left move Dec 31 11:21:45 dos1, I don't see one! Dec 31 11:22:05 king: look harder Dec 31 11:22:06 ;p Dec 31 11:22:58 king: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d0b6f1d14b74c7887ec7d5478f4c9215.png - it's pyneo too :x Dec 31 11:23:04 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/8f4f6aede6c59fab50b9510b544189b0.png Dec 31 11:23:37 When I open Midori on SHR, I get warning you are using a SU account! Is it because I am logged in via ssh at the same time? Dec 31 11:24:02 king: it's because the only user on openmoko images is root... Dec 31 11:24:23 on SHR too Dec 31 11:24:55 http://pyneo.org/documentation/622f1697db7853e51f938513e44854bf.png <- dinge Dec 31 11:25:48 dos1, Is there something I can do to make that message bar disappear from Midori? Dec 31 11:25:53 the developer had a lightning talk at 25C3 Dec 31 11:26:02 http://pyneo.org/documentation/slides/25c3/ <- awesome slides Dec 31 11:26:38 bumbl, Which backend / frontend combination would give us the most use out of our devices in the next weeks /months to come? Dec 31 11:27:13 bumbl, pyneo could be taken up and used by any company for its backend work, just like FSO or is it OM specific? Dec 31 11:27:45 bumbl, Is it android? :) Dec 31 11:29:10 PaulFertser, YT? Dec 31 11:29:31 king: pyneo could be taken up by any company Dec 31 11:29:44 and no it is not android Dec 31 11:29:57 king: it's pyneo ;p Dec 31 11:30:09 * Hire hates pyneo Dec 31 11:30:16 bumbl, then? in the next two months? What would be BIG? Dec 31 11:30:26 at the moment I would say shr is the most usable thing for the next months Dec 31 11:30:44 as it unites two sides Dec 31 11:30:52 raster and fso Dec 31 11:31:06 and adds their own awesome apps Dec 31 11:31:16 bumbl, Not FDOM with all its patches? Dec 31 11:31:26 FSO is cool. mickey|away has been working on a lot of neat things. Dec 31 11:31:26 raster = developer of enlightenment Dec 31 11:31:49 I'm working on an extension for FSO that I can use for push. Dec 31 11:31:59 Sargun, push? Dec 31 11:32:11 king: FDOM with all its "patches" will drain your battery faster than you could say "openmoko" Dec 31 11:32:12 king: FDOM is based on om2008, which sucks Dec 31 11:32:36 bumbl, dos1: No one likes FDOM or OM2008.12. Dec 31 11:32:38 fdom is based on om2008 which sucks hard and is even worse that om2008 in terms of performance Dec 31 11:33:00 Sargun: yep fso is cool Dec 31 11:33:04 bumbl, So we arrive by elimination at SHR? Dec 31 11:33:19 i'm using SHR Dec 31 11:33:26 previously i was using 2007.2 Dec 31 11:33:29 bumbl: i am trying out 2008.12 Dec 31 11:33:35 bumbl, Those slides are designed well! Dec 31 11:34:35 when the next SHR-unstable image? Dec 31 11:34:50 you can get the talk over bittorrent Dec 31 11:36:17 king: om2008 sucks, fdom sucks, fso-image-ui is not designed to be used on daily basis, android sucks hard, pyneo has nice concepts but lacks developers, => shr is the only thing at the moment Dec 31 11:37:04 bumbl, Android sucks hard? I was seeing this video with their newly designed keyboard and was hoping google's employees could get something solid out... Dec 31 11:37:15 bumbl, *on-screen kbd Dec 31 11:37:20 king: android on freerunner sucks very hard Dec 31 11:37:28 king: android is not meant for the freerunner Dec 31 11:37:37 use it as phone when gsm is not working ;p Dec 31 11:38:14 king: android is limited more than om2008.12 Dec 31 11:38:29 admiral0, Shouldn't you say it is limited now with the builds we have... Dec 31 11:38:39 you *must* do it the java goddamn way Dec 31 11:38:42 and i hate it Dec 31 11:38:44 i wan't to see final paroli :x Dec 31 11:38:51 you cant :x Dec 31 11:38:55 less chat more coding Dec 31 11:38:58 want* Dec 31 11:39:02 what they will do with it Dec 31 11:39:30 admiral0, With all the new code that Google has come up with, shouldn't it provide a solid / stable experience? It was platform agnostic to begin with, so how the argument it is not meant for freerunner counts is beyond me. Dec 31 11:39:42 dos1: shr-settings is finnished? according to the wiki Dec 31 11:39:58 bumbl: according to the wiki it isn't i think ;p Dec 31 11:40:01 king: android lacks: Dec 31 11:40:07 bumbl: and it isn't Dec 31 11:40:09 a good keyboard Dec 31 11:40:29 hardware support Dec 31 11:40:41 (yes it boots but that's not everything) Dec 31 11:40:44 king.. ok platform agnostic... can it run pidgin? can it run qt/gtk/ apps? Dec 31 11:41:23 x11 Dec 31 11:41:29 android uses fb Dec 31 11:41:30 admiral0, Wouldn't better / designed for limited resources / small screen alternatives come up? I mean they are bringing up a whole ecosystem! Dec 31 11:41:37 king: i don't say that it sucks. I say that *I* donn't like it Dec 31 11:41:48 bumbl: only things in "things already done" are done ;] Dec 31 11:41:49 so one is limited to use their fb library which includes window handling Dec 31 11:41:54 s/donn't/don't/ Dec 31 11:41:54 admiral0 meant: king: i don't say that it sucks. I say that *I* don't like it Dec 31 11:42:05 bumbl: you can fetch it from svn repo and see, in which state shr-settings is Dec 31 11:42:59 dos1: well I "investigated" and came to the conclusion that it is far from being perfect Dec 31 11:43:32 bumbl: lags? :] Dec 31 11:44:33 bumbl: right now it is far from being perfect, yes Dec 31 11:44:39 bumbl: but we are working on it ;] Dec 31 11:44:46 dos1: yep I know where to get the source - Dec 31 11:47:27 dos1: By the way Dec 31 11:47:32 I'm still waiting for your key Dec 31 11:47:42 Because doing a shr-settings app goes with SHR Dec 31 11:47:50 If you don't commit on SHR, it's not shr-settings... Dec 31 11:48:20 Ainulindale: ok, wait even few minutes ;) Dec 31 11:48:36 And the other people keys too. Dec 31 11:48:51 And I saw no mail about that, that's sad. Dec 31 11:48:54 Nor blog entry Dec 31 11:49:05 Looks like a submarine job! Dec 31 11:49:46 Ainulindale: right now yoyo and hiciu aren't online - when they are, i will tell they to send keys to you Dec 31 11:49:50 (ech, my english ;x) Dec 31 11:50:11 What I'd like, more than anything Dec 31 11:50:24 Is a "team leader", some formal description of the project, AND a blog entry =) Dec 31 11:56:31 Well, the boar civet soaked all night long, looks pretty nice to me :-) Dec 31 11:57:10 hehe Dec 31 11:57:16 Ainulindale, the cook Dec 31 11:57:39 Ainulindale: did angström, second try build fine? Dec 31 11:57:47 Currenty having a problem with connman Dec 31 11:57:52 But until then it worked ifne Dec 31 11:57:54 s/if/fi/ Dec 31 11:57:54 Ainulindale meant: But until then it worked fine Dec 31 11:58:37 Seems we need a better srcrev for connman Dec 31 11:58:55 hmm why do we need connman (at the moment fso does not yet use it afaik) Dec 31 11:59:07 No idea, I just built as is to see the changes Dec 31 12:00:11 mhhm Dec 31 12:00:19 today a good meat fondue Dec 31 12:00:53 Well here it'll be foie gras, boar civet with potatoes cooked in the foie gras grease, with three or four bottles of wine Dec 31 12:01:16 I expect to die soon after the end of the meal, in fact :-) Dec 31 12:01:25 haha Dec 31 12:01:38 There's 1.5k of meat, and we're 4 Dec 31 12:02:12 i love the pork loin roast with fundue Dec 31 12:02:27 Ainulindale: well not everyday one can celebrate the new year Dec 31 12:03:10 That's a shame Dec 31 12:03:29 so have fun and eat Dec 31 12:03:43 Oh believe me I will. Dec 31 12:03:50 any germans with a "simyo grps 1gb "flat"" here? :) Dec 31 12:04:31 Mortak: there was one in #neo1973-germany Dec 31 12:04:53 BluesLee: thx, didnt knew the channel :) Dec 31 12:04:54 afaik Dec 31 12:05:16 thats the channel of the channels;-) Dec 31 12:05:27 BluesLee: if you mean leachim, he has an arcor flat afaik Dec 31 12:05:40 okay Dec 31 12:05:44 i meant him Dec 31 12:05:48 damn :( Dec 31 12:05:51 shouldn't matter though Dec 31 12:06:19 Gnutoo: didn't know you speak french Dec 31 12:07:10 Ainulindale: any idea when the gpsd-at-start-up will be fixed? Dec 31 12:07:38 Zorkman: the fix is in git Dec 31 12:08:43 Ainulindale: now i have openned blank email with your address in "To" field, topic and attachment with my public key - should i write here something else too? Dec 31 12:08:50 ;] Dec 31 12:09:10 send him a recipe Dec 31 12:09:19 :p Dec 31 12:09:20 Thank you people. I appreciate you welcoming a novice like me here. Dec 31 12:10:34 king: you are welcome Dec 31 12:10:49 bumbl: i'm sending key to commit in shr repo, so actual recipe will be outdated (BTW it haven't even worked :D) Dec 31 12:11:07 dos1: not a bb recipe Dec 31 12:11:18 a recipe of typical polnish food Dec 31 12:11:32 bumbl: :DDD Dec 31 12:11:45 maybe bigos ;D Dec 31 12:11:58 or our good polish kiełbasa :D Dec 31 12:12:14 ;) Dec 31 12:16:19 bumbl: how can i checkout this "gpsd-at-start-up" fix? (is it the script only, or do i have to compile my own image? (because compiling still doesnt work for me)) Dec 31 12:18:09 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46c2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd <- the diff Dec 31 12:18:55 bumbl: thx a lot Dec 31 12:20:39 bumbl: up and running Dec 31 12:21:35 I am glad I was able to help you Dec 31 12:22:20 bumbl: i tried every possible combination for this pid, but i doesnt tried the "--exec" thing :) Dec 31 12:24:53 dos1: I'll create another repo by the way Dec 31 12:25:11 dos1: I'd also like formal description of the team, with the name of the "leader" or referrent Dec 31 12:25:31 And it'd be great if you were to write a short description of what you want to do understandable for end users Dec 31 12:25:34 for the blog Dec 31 12:26:45 ainu: do you know who built the fennec ipk for shr? (scap) Dec 31 12:26:56 No idea, as it doesn't build Dec 31 12:27:03 And I didn't have time to fix it. Dec 31 12:27:46 I'm retrying just to check Dec 31 12:34:41 Ainulindale, yes i do Dec 31 12:35:18 parle vous frances Dec 31 12:35:37 s/parle vous frances/parlez vous le francais Dec 31 12:39:13 I truly have no time for this wesnot/libboost thing but if your patch apply on latest, ask mrmoku to commit it :-) Dec 31 12:39:18 He's the patch guy Dec 31 12:41:07 Ainulindale: ok, i have mine and hiciu's keys, i sended mail to you Dec 31 12:41:42 Ainulindale: on "From" field will be "Johny Tenfinger" :D Dec 31 12:42:30 does anyone knew what http://www.pod.usace.army.mil/images/I-Want-You-Flat.jpg font is used for that? Dec 31 12:43:21 dos1: ping Dec 31 12:43:29 BluesLee: pong Dec 31 12:44:47 dos1: sorry, i thought i found the reason for the high cpu usage of e ...but i was wrong ... Dec 31 12:57:23 heyho Dec 31 12:57:52 morphis: hey! what new you have in python-elementary? :>>> Dec 31 12:58:35 dos1: hehe this question I expected first from you :) Dec 31 12:58:38 * mrmoku is hiding Dec 31 12:58:53 :D Dec 31 13:00:21 dos1: but I must disappoint you. The last two days I spent with my girl friend in hamburg, so I can develop anything Dec 31 13:00:46 I think this until this weekend I will have full support for all current elementary features Dec 31 13:00:55 morphis: ok :) Dec 31 13:00:56