**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 01 02:59:57 2009
Jan 01 04:03:45 <mbuf> anyone has had a recent successful build?
Jan 01 04:03:54 <mbuf> with MokoMakefile
Jan 01 10:53:16 <bumbl> hi everyone
Jan 01 11:11:48 <mrmoku> bumbl: hi
Jan 01 11:12:05 <viq> Happy new year :)
Jan 01 11:12:31 <mrmoku> yeah, let's make it a happy year :-)
Jan 01 11:13:32 <viq> :)
Jan 01 11:14:56 <Hire> develop 
Jan 01 11:14:58 <Hire> develop
Jan 01 11:15:00 <Hire> develop
Jan 01 11:15:02 <Hire> develop
Jan 01 11:15:11 * Hire is likes ballamer
Jan 01 11:15:22 <Hire> *ballmer
Jan 01 11:16:08 <bumbl> please don't throw seats into the chan
Jan 01 11:16:08 <viq> blamer? ;)
Jan 01 11:16:11 <BluesLee> any news from zune?
Jan 01 11:16:16 <bumbl> haha
Jan 01 11:16:29 <Sargun> BluesLee, it's fixed.
Jan 01 11:16:32 <bumbl> yeah Happy New Year to all of you
Jan 01 11:16:50 <BluesLee> Sargun: what was the wproblem?
Jan 01 11:16:52 <Hire> happy chtulhu year
Jan 01 11:17:06 <BluesLee> yeah happy new year to all mokos
Jan 01 11:17:10 <Sargun> BluesLee, issue with the last day of the leap year
Jan 01 11:17:31 <Sargun> wasn't Sean Moss Pultz supposed to send out an ML post today? with the answer to a bunch of questions?
Jan 01 11:18:09 <BluesLee> Sargun: the xbox users had similar issues, hehe
Jan 01 11:18:41 <Sargun> hehe
Jan 01 11:19:09 <viq> zune issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7806683.stm
Jan 01 11:19:18 <bumbl> BluesLee: it s on heise
Jan 01 11:19:39 <bumbl> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Zune-Nutzer-klagen-ueber-Ausfall-ihres-Musikplayers-Update--/meldung/121027
Jan 01 11:49:38 <king> I am using SHR on my Freerunner the latest images. GSM is not working. The messages app also crashes. Would someone assist me please?
Jan 01 11:51:50 <admiral0> king
Jan 01 11:52:00 <admiral0> have you got a PIN for your sim?
Jan 01 11:52:29 <BluesLee> king: did you flashed shr unstable?
Jan 01 11:52:30 <king> admiral0, No, it doesn't for PIN. When I used FDOM / Om2008.12 I didn't have to put any PIN and GSM worked out of the box.
Jan 01 11:52:48 <king> BluesLee, No, I am using the latest uImage and rootfs from shr-testing
Jan 01 11:53:05 <BluesLee> king: can you see your provider name on the topshelf?
Jan 01 11:53:09 <admiral0> then don't touch anything till you have GSM signal 
Jan 01 11:53:22 <king> BluesLee, It says No Service.
Jan 01 11:53:29 <admiral0> restart and do as i say
Jan 01 11:53:34 <BluesLee> yes
Jan 01 11:53:55 <king> admiral0, I have used this phone for many many hours now, rebooted it 6-7 times. I haven't ever got a service.
Jan 01 11:54:04 <king> The settings panel says unknown for GSM - always!
Jan 01 11:54:24 <BluesLee> king: i have similar problems with the unstable version
Jan 01 11:54:26 <admiral0> start ophonekitd from console
Jan 01 11:54:35 <king> Right now, and 4/6 times all (GSM, Bluetooth, Brightness, Profile and Suspend) say UNKNOWN. I can't tap to change it.
Jan 01 11:54:55 <admiral0> king that's why error handling is absent
Jan 01 11:55:22 <admiral0> s/why/because/
Jan 01 11:55:22 <bzzbot> admiral0 meant: king that's because error handling is absent
Jan 01 11:55:36 <BluesLee> king: forget the settings app. first step should be to get a gsm signal
Jan 01 11:56:04 <king> admiral0, A hell of a bot you got trained!
Jan 01 11:56:15 <king> admiral0, ps aux brings of ophonekitd as running
Jan 01 11:56:21 <king> BluesLee, All right, let us work on that.
Jan 01 11:56:34 <king> admiral0, How do I start it?
Jan 01 11:56:38 <admiral0> i love this bot
Jan 01 11:56:57 <king> admiral0, Sure!
Jan 01 11:57:00 <admiral0> killall ophonekitd
Jan 01 11:57:10 <admiral0> then start it from console
Jan 01 11:57:18 <admiral0> ophonekitd
Jan 01 11:57:33 <king> no process killed
Jan 01 11:57:43 <king> ophonekitd 
Jan 01 11:57:46 <king> ** (process:1159): DEBUG: phonegui_init()
Jan 01 11:57:46 <king> ** (process:1159): DEBUG: Entering ecore loop
Jan 01 11:57:46 <king> ** (process:1159): DEBUG: Phonegui initiated
Jan 01 11:57:46 <king> ** (process:1159): DEBUG: Phonelog database initiated
Jan 01 11:57:46 <king> Segmentation fault
Jan 01 11:58:07 <admiral0> damn it
Jan 01 11:58:14 <king> admiral0, What is the other thing that ophonekitd brings up? Yesterday someone asked me to check its log.
Jan 01 11:58:25 <admiral0> quickdev your fault?
Jan 01 11:59:00 <admiral0> ophonekitd is the phone part
Jan 01 11:59:14 <admiral0> it is above frameworkd
Jan 01 11:59:39 <admiral0> and handles phone functions at superior level for the SHR apps
Jan 01 11:59:56 <king> admiral0, ok, you need some part of that log? frameworkd?
Jan 01 12:00:14 <admiral0> i am not a SHR dev :)
Jan 01 12:00:44 <king> admiral0, :-|
Jan 01 12:00:49 <king> admiral0, Have you faced this problem?
Jan 01 12:00:58 <admiral0> yes
Jan 01 12:01:04 <king> admiral0, Were you able to solve it?
Jan 01 12:01:05 <admiral0> i flashed qtopia
Jan 01 12:01:09 <king> !
Jan 01 12:01:11 <BluesLee> :-)
Jan 01 12:01:20 <admiral0> that solved everything
Jan 01 12:01:20 <king> :,(
Jan 01 12:01:26 <BluesLee> i face this problem with shr unstable
Jan 01 12:01:38 <king> BluesLee, shr-testing GSM works for you?
Jan 01 12:01:43 <BluesLee> king: yes
Jan 01 12:02:01 <king> BluesLee, Did you have to do anything specific?
Jan 01 12:02:36 <king> Wolud pasting | grep GSM from /var/log/frameworkd help?
Jan 01 12:02:45 <Sargun> Bah, my phone randomly stopped working
Jan 01 12:02:58 <BluesLee> king: flash the latest files from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
Jan 01 12:03:00 <king> Sargun, That is a feature :-)
Jan 01 12:03:26 <admiral0> <Sargun> Bah, my phone randomly stopped working
Jan 01 12:03:31 <BluesLee> king: untar the modules from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ and flash the kernel from there
Jan 01 12:03:35 <admiral0> ops
Jan 01 12:04:00 <Sargun> admiral0, ?
Jan 01 12:04:06 <admiral0> you may be happy that it randomly stops working and not regularly Sargun
Jan 01 12:04:17 <BluesLee> maybe its the same issue as the zune 30 gb players have?
Jan 01 12:04:27 <BluesLee> :-)
Jan 01 12:04:33 <king> BluesLee, Did it only yesterday, Specifically, http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin. I even got the kernel from images/om-gta02. It doesn't solve anything. And I doubt it is that same as the one in images/neo1973 as the name uUmage-om-gta02-latest.bin is same.
Jan 01 12:04:41 <king> admiral0, :-D
Jan 01 12:05:41 <BluesLee> king: no, not the same files there!
Jan 01 12:06:09 <king> BluesLee, Have you noticed the kernel name is some in both the repos - neo1972 and om-gta-02?
Jan 01 12:06:32 <BluesLee> BluesLee: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
Jan 01 12:06:46 <BluesLee> and the other http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r1-om-gta02.bin
Jan 01 12:06:57 <king> BluesLee, Plus, om-gta-02 doesn't have the rootfs. One has to go to neo1973/ anyways to get the rootfs so I doubt that people put the kernel from om-gta-02 there also.
Jan 01 12:07:00 <admiral0> anybody knows in what state is SHR settings?
Jan 01 12:07:04 <BluesLee> r0 and r1?
Jan 01 12:07:33 <admiral0> ?
Jan 01 12:07:35 <king> BluesLee, I was told yesterday that the latest-* are the latest ones. Are the ones with all the *git the latest? Also the latest-* files have the highest date.
Jan 01 12:08:00 <admiral0> *latest* are just symlinks
Jan 01 12:08:22 <king> admiral0, See, they map to the latest files so it works, right?
Jan 01 12:08:29 <admiral0> yes
Jan 01 12:09:05 <BluesLee> king: reflash testing using only the files in neo1973 and do an opkg upgrade 
Jan 01 12:09:24 <king> BluesLee, Have done the same thing on my phone.
Jan 01 12:10:05 <king> Could you tell me the difference between openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk* and shr-image-om-gta02?
Jan 01 12:10:45 <BluesLee> king: have you ckecked your sim card?
Jan 01 12:11:26 <king> BluesLee, Do you still think http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin are different? They are the same size. The former says 14 dec, the later says 24th Dec.
Jan 01 12:11:33 <bumbl> raster: ping
Jan 01 12:11:36 <king> BluesLee, Yes it works on my Nokia phone, and it worked on Om2008.12
Jan 01 12:12:00 <BluesLee> okay
Jan 01 12:12:25 <BluesLee> king: to be sure that the files are the same you shouldnt look at the size of files
Jan 01 12:12:52 <BluesLee> king: check with md5sum (or diff)
Jan 01 12:13:04 <BluesLee> king: but it shouldnt matter here
Jan 01 12:13:21 <BluesLee> king: the testing files worked for me for more than 2 weeks
Jan 01 12:15:37 <bumbl> admiral0: shr settings is kind of finished
Jan 01 12:15:51 <bumbl> afaik
Jan 01 12:16:20 <bumbl> they have most of the functionality done they wanted to have for the first release
Jan 01 12:16:33 <bumbl> but they wait for another rev of python-elementary
Jan 01 12:16:53 <admiral0> it's python?
Jan 01 12:17:00 <admiral0> damn
Jan 01 12:17:17 <bumbl> yes it is in python
Jan 01 12:17:21 <bumbl> why damn?
Jan 01 12:17:42 <Sargun> I like Bill's point
Jan 01 12:17:49 <admiral0> i was thinking it was C
Jan 01 12:17:55 <Sargun> I'd like to buy mickey a beer.
Jan 01 12:18:10 <Sargun> budfive, Python > A lot of stuff for rapid prototyping
Jan 01 12:19:13 <bumbl> python = fast enough
Jan 01 12:20:41 <bumbl> + easy and fast to program
Jan 01 12:24:06 <Sargun> yup
Jan 01 12:25:46 <Sargun> My phone is setting its signal status to 0
Jan 01 12:26:37 <admiral0> raster: ping
Jan 01 12:27:20 <Sargun> I'm seeing #1024 with ti_deep_sleep = never
Jan 01 12:27:38 <BluesLee> Sargun: are you sure?
Jan 01 12:27:46 <Sargun> BluesLee, looks like it.
Jan 01 12:28:25 <BluesLee> Sargun: i flashed unstable yesterday and i often had "no service"
Jan 01 12:28:37 <Sargun> BluesLee, I have T-mobile
Jan 01 12:28:49 <Sargun> it only happens in one specific area 
Jan 01 12:28:51 <BluesLee> Sargun: can you turn on logging there?
Jan 01 12:28:54 <king> bumbl, Do you know if  http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin are different files?
Jan 01 12:28:57 <king> BluesLee, Does http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin incorporate the git updates that you posted above (http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r1-om-gta02.bin)?
Jan 01 12:29:01 <king> BluesLee, How does one decide which git* file to get?
Jan 01 12:29:07 <Sargun> BluesLee, working on it
Jan 01 12:29:46 <BluesLee> king: take the one from the latest date
Jan 01 12:30:11 <king> BluesLee, I got disconnected. Sorry.
Jan 01 12:30:20 <BluesLee> king: you should be fine with those in  http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
Jan 01 12:30:30 <king> BluesLee, ok.
Jan 01 12:30:49 <Sargun> BluesLee, uhm, It's definitely a BTS side issue
Jan 01 12:31:07 <king> BluesLee, Are the image-glibc-ipk-* files similar to shr-image-om-gta02?
Jan 01 12:31:18 <king> Does the later symlink to the latest git file?
Jan 01 12:32:02 <Sargun> also:
Jan 01 12:32:09 <Sargun> >>> gsm_network_iface.Register()
Jan 01 12:32:09 <Sargun> Segmentation fault
Jan 01 12:32:50 <BluesLee> king: yes
Jan 01 12:33:03 <king> BluesLee, Do you have any leads on how to get GSM working?
Jan 01 12:33:08 <king> BluesLee, yes to both questions?
Jan 01 12:33:28 <BluesLee> yes yes
Jan 01 12:33:30 <BluesLee> :-)
Jan 01 12:33:49 <BluesLee> king: i have the same problem here with unstable
Jan 01 12:34:12 <king> :)
Jan 01 12:34:29 <king> BluesLee, Do you also get the segmentation fault in ophonekitd?
Jan 01 12:35:36 <king> Do I need this?
Jan 01 12:35:39 <king> Add the following to the ogsmd section of /etc/frameworkd.conf file:
Jan 01 12:35:39 <king> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
Jan 01 12:35:39 <king> This fix is deployed by default on SHR. 
Jan 01 12:37:33 <Sargun> BluesLee, FSO (GSM) is supposed to reregister when registration is down, correct?
Jan 01 12:37:44 <Sargun>  [SIGNAL]    org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SignalStrength    from :1.1835 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
Jan 01 12:37:44 <Sargun> (dbus.Int32(93),)
Jan 01 12:37:44 <Sargun>  [SIGNAL]    org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SignalStrength    from :1.1835 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
Jan 01 12:37:44 <Sargun> (dbus.Int32(0),)
Jan 01 12:37:45 <Sargun>  [SIGNAL]    org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SignalStrength    from :1.1835 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
Jan 01 12:37:48 <Sargun> (dbus.Int32(70),)
Jan 01 12:38:12 <Sargun> it looks like the behaviour Dieter was describing as the underlying cause to #1024.
Jan 01 12:39:08 <Sargun> king, what distribution are you running
Jan 01 12:40:06 <BluesLee> Sargun: there is a log option in freesmartphone.log
Jan 01 12:40:21 <Sargun> you mean frameworkd.log? 
Jan 01 12:40:26 <Sargun> er, conf
Jan 01 12:41:07 <BluesLee> log_level = DEBUG
Jan 01 12:41:09 <BluesLee> yes
Jan 01 12:41:30 <Sargun> It's 424MB, this is going to take a bit to transfer
Jan 01 12:44:14 <king> someone?
Jan 01 12:44:54 <Sargun> king, what distribution are you running
Jan 01 12:45:39 <Sargun> king, can you see this?
Jan 01 12:47:42 <Sargun> guess not
Jan 01 12:51:35 <king> Sargun, Oh back, had gone out to get GPS fix :).
Jan 01 12:51:38 <king> Sargun, SHR
Jan 01 12:51:52 <Sargun> oh, don't know anything about SHR
Jan 01 12:52:05 <Sargun> BluesLee, restarted FSO (again), and problem disappeared.
Jan 01 12:52:26 <Ainulindale> king: on which occasion do you have a segfault?
Jan 01 12:52:58 <king> Ainulindale, I have never got GSM working on SHR-latest. Whet I greped /var/log/frameworkd for GSM it said a segmentation fault.
Jan 01 12:53:06 <king> Ainulindale, Do you know how to get GSM working on SHR?
Jan 01 12:53:20 <Ainulindale> If the segfault is is frameworkd.log, then you have a big problem.
Jan 01 12:53:44 <Sargun> I've seen python segfault a lot in OM distributions. No idea why
Jan 01 12:53:56 <Ainulindale> Restart from scratch, put frameworkd in debug (log_level = DEBUG in frameworkd.conf), restart your device, and wait until it segfaults
Jan 01 12:54:04 <Ainulindale> THen open a ticket on trac.freesmartphone.org
Jan 01 12:54:18 <Ainulindale> And attach the log
Jan 01 12:55:27 <king> Ainulindale, I restarted now and there is no segfault either in frameworkd or ophonekitd.log.
Jan 01 12:55:32 <Sargun> Ugh, I hate GSM.
Jan 01 12:55:48 <Sargun> I hate mobile technology. It's so fucking complicated.
Jan 01 12:56:05 <king> Sargun, :-/
Jan 01 12:56:17 <Ainulindale> king: then it should popup a pin screen after a short while
Jan 01 12:56:17 <king> Ainulindale, Do you have GSM working on SHR?
Jan 01 12:56:27 <Ainulindale> king: Arey ou sure you repeated that question enough?
Jan 01 12:56:30 <Sargun> king, I got GSM working, for the most part.
Jan 01 12:56:37 <Ainulindale> s/rey o/re yo/
Jan 01 12:56:37 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: king: Are you sure you repeated that question enough?
Jan 01 12:56:46 <Ainulindale> king: Are you sure you repeated that question enough?
Jan 01 12:56:47 <Ainulindale> king: Are you sure you repeated that question enough?
Jan 01 12:56:49 <Sargun> king, Install a zhone/FSO distro.
Jan 01 12:56:56 <Ainulindale> Sargun: SHR is FSO.
Jan 01 12:56:58 <Ainulindale> Plus apps.
Jan 01 12:57:03 <Ainulindale> So if SHR isn't working for him, FSO won't.
Jan 01 12:57:10 <Sargun> Ainulindale, No, I mean bare-bones FSO
Jan 01 12:57:15 <Sargun> Ainulindale, Are you sure you repeated that question enough?
Jan 01 12:57:17 <king> Ainulindale, My SIM card never pops up for a pin. It just works. It worked in Om2008.12. I don't need to put a PIN in my nokia phone.
Jan 01 12:57:40 <Ainulindale> king: There's a known problem with sim with no PIN, which is recurrent
Jan 01 12:57:50 <king> Ainulindale, You never once answered it though.
Jan 01 12:57:55 <king> Ainulindale, Is the problem that it doesn't work?
Jan 01 12:58:05 <Sargun> king, he's the developer of SHR, I think he has GSM working.
Jan 01 12:58:14 <Sargun> Ainulindale, SHR, right?
Jan 01 12:58:14 <Ainulindale> king: that's because I'm waking up, it's the 1st of january, my head is up my ass
Jan 01 12:58:16 <king> Sargun, ok. Thanks.
Jan 01 12:58:33 <Sargun> Ainulindale, Step 1) Take it out of your ass
Jan 01 12:58:36 <Sargun> Step 2) Sniff.
Jan 01 12:58:44 <Ainulindale> Sargun: I'm not "the" developer, we are several, but yeah
Jan 01 12:58:49 <king> Ainulindale, Is the problem that SIM cards that which don't for a PIN don't work?
Jan 01 12:58:54 <king> *no that
Jan 01 12:58:57 <king> *ask
Jan 01 12:58:58 <Hire> he is the "cook"
Jan 01 12:59:17 <Ainulindale> king: "Don't work" means nothing.
Jan 01 12:59:18 <Sargun> Hire, And you're the contract killer, that's why you're name is "hire"
Jan 01 12:59:29 <Ainulindale> IIRC it wasn't registering properly.
Jan 01 12:59:36 <Sargun> king, can you stop zhone?
Jan 01 12:59:45 <Hire> double joke
Jan 01 13:00:15 <king> Ainulindale, Another question, is the http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin same as http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin?
Jan 01 13:00:25 <Sargun> king, Stop zhone, stop FSO. Setup FSO logging to debug level. start FSO. start python. manually make a call using python.
Jan 01 13:00:41 <Sargun> king, no
Jan 01 13:01:04 <Sargun> neo1973 != GTA02
Jan 01 13:01:10 <Ainulindale> Sargun: That has nothing to do with that
Jan 01 13:01:11 <Ainulindale> Again
Jan 01 13:01:13 <king> Sargun, You didn't read the whole link.
Jan 01 13:01:27 <Ainulindale> That's just where OE wrote his image
Jan 01 13:01:30 <Ainulindale> +s
Jan 01 13:01:34 <Ainulindale> It has changed recently
Jan 01 13:01:37 <Sargun> Ainulindale, ah.
Jan 01 13:01:37 <Ainulindale> Hence the artifacts
Jan 01 13:01:47 <king> Sargun, I would have to be explained a little more how to do all that, the zhone and FSO part. Is zhone there on SHR?
Jan 01 13:01:56 <king> Ainulindale, Which of the kernels should I use? Any?
Jan 01 13:02:05 <Sargun> king, I don't know, I tired SHR, and it wasn't optimal for development
Jan 01 13:02:10 <Ainulindale> king: gta02, I'll delete the neo1973 one
Jan 01 13:02:15 <Ainulindale> just pick latest on a date base
Jan 01 13:02:39 <Sargun> king, do you have an SD card?
Jan 01 13:02:50 <king> Ainulindale, I tried the kernel in om-gta02 also. It didn't solve the GSM problem.
Jan 01 13:02:54 <king> Sargun, Yes 512MB.
Jan 01 13:03:06 <Ainulindale> king: Yes, zhone is available. Don't install FSO over your SD, it's dumb, and will make you lose time.
Jan 01 13:03:15 <Ainulindale> king: This has nothing to do, at all, whatsoever, with the kernel
Jan 01 13:03:31 <king> Ainulindale, ok.
Jan 01 13:03:49 <Ainulindale> And if it's not, you juste have to ask either quickdev, mrmoku, or me
Jan 01 13:03:53 <Ainulindale> (I'm checking)
Jan 01 13:04:09 <king> Ainulindale, Would you like to look at either of my logs for ophonekitd or frameworkd? I am using a plane default install.
Jan 01 13:04:14 <king> Ainulindale, I didn't get you. What is not?
Jan 01 13:04:25 <Ainulindale> zhone on the repository
Jan 01 13:04:50 <Ainulindale> king: listen, open a ticket on http://shr.bearstech.com/trac 
Jan 01 13:04:57 <Ainulindale> Attach both your logs
Jan 01 13:05:01 <king> Ainulindale, Would you also put a root.fs in the images/om-gta02 dir?
Jan 01 13:05:02 <Ainulindale> with frameworkd log in debug
Jan 01 13:05:22 <Ainulindale> and I'll see when I'm aware enough
Jan 01 13:05:29 <king> Ainulindale, Should I flash to the kernel from om-gta02 and restart?
Jan 01 13:05:36 <king> Ainulindale, Before attaching those logs?
Jan 01 13:05:44 <Ainulindale> No, it's the same anyway
Jan 01 13:06:08 <Ainulindale> king: no, attach the logs, upload them, change log level in debug, then don't use the log you just produced which would have given me valuable information =)
Jan 01 13:06:23 <Ainulindale> (this is my first sarcasm of 2009)
Jan 01 13:06:28 <Ainulindale> (yay)
Jan 01 13:07:00 <Ainulindale> king: Man you're a question firing machine ! Let me have my coffee! :-)
Jan 01 13:07:13 <Ainulindale> And ask Hire 
Jan 01 13:07:14 <Ainulindale> :-p
Jan 01 13:09:48 <Hire> wat?
Jan 01 13:09:52 <bumbl> ainu: what must be done that the new ui hits unstable?
Jan 01 13:10:13 <Ainulindale> Mostly nothing, just make sure that it's stable enough
Jan 01 13:10:21 <Ainulindale> Which it is, I think, now
Jan 01 13:10:30 <bumbl> ok
Jan 01 13:10:31 <Ainulindale> So I'd suggest, ask quickdev his thoughts
Jan 01 13:10:42 <Ainulindale> If he's confident enough
Jan 01 13:10:44 <Ainulindale> we'll push it
Jan 01 13:10:44 <Hire> king: if you don't leave Ainulindale alone with his coffe he will be very angries... he bites
Jan 01 13:10:47 <king> Ainulindale, I changed the log_level to debug in frameworkd.conf. Will I have to restart to generate those logs again?
Jan 01 13:10:54 <king> Hire, I noticed :-|
Jan 01 13:10:56 <Ainulindale> king: yes
Jan 01 13:11:00 <Hire> so
Jan 01 13:11:05 <Ainulindale> king: I'm just pissed the morning
Jan 01 13:11:08 <Ainulindale> And it's chilly here
Jan 01 13:11:21 <Ainulindale> (ah by morning, I obviously meant mine)
Jan 01 13:11:25 <Ainulindale> (It's 14h here)
Jan 01 13:11:25 <king> Ainulindale, Never mind. I hope coffee makes you better ;-)
Jan 01 13:11:29 <Ainulindale> (But I woke up half an hour ago)
Jan 01 13:11:37 <Ainulindale> (Went to bed at 9)
Jan 01 13:11:45 <Hire> Ainulindale: here too
Jan 01 13:13:38 <king> Will I have to register to open a ticket?
Jan 01 13:13:44 <Ainulindale> Yes
Jan 01 13:14:27 <king> Ainulindale, Summary, description?
Jan 01 13:14:31 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: he is not the only one with that problem ... we suffer from the 2k9 shr issue;-)
Jan 01 13:14:39 <Ainulindale> king: well describe your problem
Jan 01 13:14:50 <Ainulindale> sim with no pin, no registration apparent
Jan 01 13:14:57 <Ainulindale> But make sure you really aren't registered
Jan 01 13:15:17 <BluesLee> same here with unstable and sim with pin
Jan 01 13:15:30 <Ainulindale> BluesLee?
Jan 01 13:15:34 <BluesLee> yes
Jan 01 13:15:36 <king> Ainulindale, Is the component SHR image, ophonekitd
Jan 01 13:15:48 <Ainulindale> (phone)
Jan 01 13:16:03 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: admiral0 had similiar problems
Jan 01 13:16:43 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: is yours working or not?
Jan 01 13:16:59 <Ainulindale> king: well, if it doesn't suit the component I'll change it anyway
Jan 01 13:17:10 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: by the way IIRC dolf has no PIN and it works for him
Jan 01 13:17:26 <Ainulindale> There was initially a timeout problem in frameworkd 
Jan 01 13:17:41 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: from time to time ... pin dialog is okay (pin correct) but i get "no service" 
Jan 01 13:17:43 <Ainulindale> king: if you opkg update you should be able to opkg install zhone
Jan 01 13:17:53 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: and ophonekitd dies?
Jan 01 13:18:13 <king> Ainulindale, Why do I need zhone? Would zhone solve the GSM not working problem?
Jan 01 13:18:27 <Ainulindale> king: No, just to test the behavior of the GSM with another app.
Jan 01 13:18:33 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i guess so, didnt checked as i didnt had a pc in the near yesterday ... 
Jan 01 13:18:50 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: please try to reproduce the problem and open a ticket
Jan 01 13:18:57 <Ainulindale> But I fear this is frameworkd :-/
Jan 01 13:19:16 <BluesLee> hehe
Jan 01 13:19:41 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i am on testing branch since 30 minutes;-)
Jan 01 13:20:16 <Ainulindale> king: logs, please
Jan 01 13:20:26 <Ainulindale> on your ticket
Jan 01 13:20:28 <king> How do I copy the logs from SSH to my desktop.
Jan 01 13:20:36 <king> Ainulindale, I am doing it. Please bear with me.
Jan 01 13:20:37 <Ainulindale> scp
Jan 01 13:20:50 <Ainulindale> On your desktop
Jan 01 13:21:01 <Ainulindale> scp root@192.168.0.202:/var/log/* .
Jan 01 13:21:24 <BluesLee> king: you may also use sftp with konqueror, so you can navigate ...
Jan 01 13:21:51 <king> BluesLee, sftp doesn't work in gftp. Someone told me it is not enabled by default.
Jan 01 13:21:57 <king> *on the openmoko.
Jan 01 13:24:08 <king> Ainulindale, Done.
Jan 01 13:24:30 <king> Ainulindale, Should the priority be critical? :-)
Jan 01 13:26:02 <Sargun> no
Jan 01 13:26:20 <Ainulindale> king: whatever should it be, you can't change it
Jan 01 13:26:46 <king> Ainulindale, I can't even edit my description and comment now. I hope it is enough.
Jan 01 13:26:50 <Ainulindale> Ok king 
Jan 01 13:26:57 <Ainulindale> Are you sure your SIM is in?
Jan 01 13:27:04 <Ainulindale> And properly inserted
Jan 01 13:27:13 <Ainulindale> Because I would have like if you told me
Jan 01 13:27:18 <Ainulindale> ** ERROR **: SIM card not present.
Jan 01 13:27:19 <bumbl> ainu: where can one subscribe to the shr devel list?
Jan 01 13:27:29 <Ainulindale> bumbl: right now on projects
Jan 01 13:27:37 <king> Ainulindale, Sure. Sure. The sim card slot is 'locked'.
Jan 01 13:27:52 <Ainulindale> king: where here frameworkd (FSO) doesn't see your card
Jan 01 13:28:57 <king> Ainulindale, I switched off the phone And am reinserting the card.
Jan 01 13:29:15 <bumbl> Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/u4dOkN63.html
Jan 01 13:29:17 <king> Ainulindale, Do you think it is worth installing zhone if the top shelf says no service?
Jan 01 13:29:43 <Ainulindale> king: the top shelf is subordinated to ophonekitd
Jan 01 13:29:48 <Ainulindale> if ophonekitd crashes with SIM not present
Jan 01 13:29:53 <Ainulindale> Then it won't display service
Jan 01 13:30:39 <king> Ainulindale, Does it say in the log that it doesn't find any SIM?
Jan 01 13:30:57 <Ainulindale> bumbl: Hmmmm not enough information here, and I'm afraid to talk about kernel :-)
Jan 01 13:31:09 <Ainulindale> bumbl: could I bug you with that in a week or so?
Jan 01 13:31:21 <king> Ainulindale, This SIM worked with Om2008.12 (I wanted to put this in the description in the ticket, but anyways). Does that means the SIM is compatible?
Jan 01 13:31:23 <bumbl> bug me with what?
Jan 01 13:31:25 <Ainulindale> I'd like to do that on a bi mensual basis :-)
Jan 01 13:31:26 <Ainulindale> bumbl: text
Jan 01 13:31:44 <Ainulindale> bumbl: I'd like to post that kind of thing beginning of next week
Jan 01 13:31:54 <bumbl> ah ok
Jan 01 13:31:57 <Ainulindale> I meant news
Jan 01 13:32:03 <polz> Ainulindale: are any of the unstable images supposed to work?
Jan 01 13:32:04 <Ainulindale> I even have a draft
Jan 01 13:32:09 <bumbl> i just thought 1.1.2009 would be a nice date
Jan 01 13:32:16 <Ainulindale> bumbl: heh :-)
Jan 01 13:32:23 <Ainulindale> polz: no idea, I don't use them
Jan 01 13:32:28 <Ainulindale> Oh, correction
Jan 01 13:32:33 <Ainulindale> I have an unstable installed currently
Jan 01 13:32:34 <Ainulindale> It works
Jan 01 13:32:37 <polz> Ainulindale: who tests them, then? :)
Jan 01 13:32:47 <Ainulindale> Well, the whiny-boring-users
Jan 01 13:32:54 <bumbl> as all the important organisations, governments,... give a kind of overview over the next year today
Jan 01 13:33:03 <Ainulindale> king: it says so in ophonekitd.log, for your problem
Jan 01 13:33:10 <polz> hmm.. I'm asking because when I tried installing it, the PIN was never accepted...
Jan 01 13:33:14 <Ainulindale> king: and yes this should mean it's compatible
Jan 01 13:33:20 <king> Ainulindale, Restarted after checking the SIM, still no service. Would you want me to grep something out of it, to check whether it still doesn't see my SIM.
Jan 01 13:33:24 * polz whines boringly
Jan 01 13:33:31 <Ainulindale> polz: accepted or asked for?
Jan 01 13:33:54 <Ainulindale> king: no, try to install and launch zhone, and see if it fails again please
Jan 01 13:33:55 <king> Ainulindale, All my settings options are unknowns, is this a related or is it a common issue?
Jan 01 13:34:01 <Ainulindale> king: Yes
Jan 01 13:34:06 <polz> Ainulindale: accepted. I did get the pop-up and entered a pin...
Jan 01 13:34:10 <Ainulindale> ophonekitd crashes =>> unknown
Jan 01 13:34:16 <Ainulindale> polz: and then poof?
Jan 01 13:34:21 <Ainulindale> bumbl: for the date
Jan 01 13:34:30 <Ainulindale> Sad to say, it needs more information :-)
Jan 01 13:34:36 <Ainulindale> But I appreciate the effort
Jan 01 13:34:46 <polz> Ainulindale: pretty much, yeah. The logs just showed that the authentication wasn't accepted... and ophonekitd died.
Jan 01 13:34:48 <Ainulindale> That's why we should "wait" until next monday
Jan 01 13:34:59 <Ainulindale> polz: well then give us the logs you swine!
Jan 01 13:35:11 <polz> Ainulindale: oink!
Jan 01 13:35:22 <polz> Ainulindale: OK, I'll re-flash it two more times :)
Jan 01 13:35:49 * polz is starting to seriously consider abandoning his openmoko as a daily phone
Jan 01 13:36:05 <Ainulindale> polz: well
Jan 01 13:36:06 <king> polz, You must have a lot of wall outlets on the streets.
Jan 01 13:36:10 <Ainulindale> Don't use unstable if you want a daily phon
Jan 01 13:36:14 <Ainulindale> +e
Jan 01 13:36:42 <Ainulindale> polz: and the point of SHR is to give the user enough QA to be able to use it as a daily phone :-)
Jan 01 13:37:49 <Ainulindale> bumbl: and I may want to do some stuff for the next news
Jan 01 13:38:03 <Ainulindale> bumbl: i.e. annoucing formal teams
Jan 01 13:38:08 <Ainulindale> I can't cope with everything on that
Jan 01 13:38:11 <Ainulindale> tickets, support, etc
Jan 01 13:38:23 <Ainulindale> So I'll call for help :-)
Jan 01 13:40:22 <bumbl> Ainulindale: ok
Jan 01 13:41:00 <king> Ainulindale, My top shelf still says No Service, Zhone says GSM: Failed to read authentication status
Jan 01 13:41:52 <king> Ainulindale, Now the message is gone. But the dialer is in grey-scale.
Jan 01 13:44:29 <Ainulindale> king: Could you reboot and retry ?
Jan 01 13:44:42 <Ainulindale> And if it still doesn't work at that time
Jan 01 13:44:57 <Ainulindale> Please add that it didn't with zhone on the ticket
Jan 01 13:45:08 <Ainulindale> And I'll assign it to the good person
Jan 01 13:45:17 <Ainulindale> (i.e. alphaone|gone :-p)
Jan 01 13:45:46 <Ainulindale> ah mickey|sofa 
Jan 01 13:46:00 <mickey|sofa> happy new year
Jan 01 13:46:18 <Ainulindale> Happy "oh my god, 2009? I didn't even know we weren't in 2001 anymore!"
Jan 01 13:46:34 <Sargun> happy new year
Jan 01 13:46:45 <Ainulindale> (Me, realizing, at 8 this morning
Jan 01 13:46:47 <Ainulindale> )
Jan 01 13:46:50 <mickey|sofa> hehe
Jan 01 13:47:02 <Ainulindale> mickey|sofa: I have a nice case of whatsit for you if you're available
Jan 01 13:47:09 <Ainulindale> king here can use his phone on 2008.12
Jan 01 13:47:15 <Ainulindale> But with frameworkd
Jan 01 13:47:17 <Ainulindale> it's SIM not present
Jan 01 13:47:50 <Ainulindale> debug logs available here http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/238
Jan 01 13:47:57 <king> Ainulindale, If all of us the same hardware and the same images. Shouldn't it be the case for all people?
Jan 01 13:48:03 <mickey|sofa> k, will take a look soon
Jan 01 13:48:06 <Ainulindale> king: you wish :-)
Jan 01 13:48:09 <Ainulindale> mickey|sofa: thanks :-)
Jan 01 13:48:42 <Ainulindale> king: most of the things depend on 3rd party factors
Jan 01 13:48:45 <Ainulindale> king: type of SIM
Jan 01 13:48:52 <Ainulindale> provider (buzz & echo)
Jan 01 13:48:56 <Ainulindale> temperature (wsod)
Jan 01 13:49:01 <viq> anyone knows what is the difference between pyneo "zad" and "epydial" images?
Jan 01 13:49:17 <king> Ainulindale, ok.
Jan 01 13:50:12 <Ainulindale> (and my coffee was very good)
Jan 01 13:50:33 <Ainulindale> But I'm going to take a second and smoke outside to breathe some polluted air for a while
Jan 01 13:50:39 <Ainulindale> So see you
Jan 01 13:50:53 <king> see you :)
Jan 01 13:52:18 <Sargun> someone from OM: how's dieter doing on the reverse engineering of the GSM firmware? Also, will he stay on after #1024 is "fixed"
Jan 01 13:55:05 <king> I installed zhone and rebooted. Now the zhone screen shows no icons. It is just a plain wallpaper, nothing happens on tapping.
Jan 01 13:56:08 <king> Ainulindale, On reboot, the "no service" no longer appears in the top shelf, and zhone as you see has stopped responding. And the option in Settings > GSM is set to unknown, tapping it and setting it to On just reverts it back.
Jan 01 13:57:23 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * rc8209c1b2719 10/ (configure.ac src/dbus-hlid.vala): cosmetics
Jan 01 13:57:47 <king> How do I set the time in SHR?
Jan 01 13:58:04 <viq> rdate host
Jan 01 13:58:09 <viq> easiest way ;)
Jan 01 13:58:16 <king> viq, Do I run that on ssh?
Jan 01 13:58:32 <viq> "on ssh"?
Jan 01 13:58:46 <king> viq, I mean in the ssh of the Neo?
Jan 01 13:59:00 <king> viq, Anyways running it gave me rdate: timeout connecting to server
Jan 01 13:59:06 <viq> or in terminal, if you feel like it. but you need a network connection yes
Jan 01 13:59:18 <king> viq, I can ping google from the SSH.
Jan 01 13:59:38 <viq> you could try "rdate pool.ntp.org"
Jan 01 13:59:42 <viq> or install ntp
Jan 01 14:00:13 <king> viq, If I rdate it to pool.ntp.org, who will set the timezone?
Jan 01 14:00:26 <king> viq, Even that command gave timeout.
Jan 01 14:00:27 <viq> you will
Jan 01 14:02:14 <king> viq, rdate timesout.
Jan 01 14:02:29 <viq> anyway, I'm off
Jan 01 14:02:52 <king> viq, thanks anyways.
Jan 01 14:06:34 <king> Anyone, how does zhone work? It just sits there not responding to any of my inputs.
Jan 01 14:10:26 <mqy> [root@om-gta02:~]# date -output-> Wed Oct 18 18:41:38 BST 2023
Jan 01 14:11:02 <king> mqy, I need to reset it.
Jan 01 14:11:05 <mqy> can freerunner always get the correct datetiem?
Jan 01 14:11:32 <king> mqy, It gets the correct time via GPS. I don't know how to set the time zones.
Jan 01 14:11:42 <mqy> king, If I remember correctly, every time I start it, I get incorrect datetime
Jan 01 14:11:53 <mqy> timezone?
Jan 01 14:11:59 <king> mqy, You would get UTC / GMT. Don't you even get that?
Jan 01 14:12:09 <mqy> ok, I have a idea
Jan 01 14:12:15 <mqy> ls /etc/localtime
Jan 01 14:12:36 <mqy> it may soft link to /usr/share/zoneinfo/...
Jan 01 14:13:13 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * ra10b337e8421 10/configure.ac: yank dependency on gtk+, this is not a GUI app
Jan 01 14:13:22 <mqy> if not, delete it (backup is better), then soft link one of timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo/... to /etc/localtime
Jan 01 14:14:52 <mqy> My setup is /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Shanghai
Jan 01 14:15:07 <king> mqy, What if my Timezone is not there in zoneinfo?
Jan 01 14:15:12 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r103e9148c9ab 10/po/Makefile.in.in: add po/Makefile.in.in
Jan 01 14:15:54 <mqy> You can create one by yourself, I can remember this way when I compile LFS years ago
Jan 01 14:16:16 <mqy> try google? hehe 
Jan 01 14:16:41 <king> mqy, That is a blind alley for me.
Jan 01 14:16:45 <mqy> king, can you select one that is the same with yours?
Jan 01 14:17:14 <mqy> for me, I live in Beijing, but I have to select Shanghai, since they are same
Jan 01 14:17:24 <king> mqy, There is no file which contains my timezone. (no similar file)
Jan 01 14:18:02 <mqy> king, do you mean you can not find a zone that's not same as yours?
Jan 01 14:19:23 <king> mqy, I can find lots that are not same as mine. I can't find one that is same as mine :)
Jan 01 14:19:48 <mqy> I see :)
Jan 01 14:19:57 <mqy> I'll google an answer for you
Jan 01 14:20:11 <king> mqy, Shouldn't I be able to edit a closed timezone file?
Jan 01 14:20:19 <king> mqy, what would be the search query?
Jan 01 14:20:43 <king> mqy, *I mean edit a location in a nearby timezone.
Jan 01 14:21:53 <mqy> king, what about: LFS zoneinfo
Jan 01 14:22:23 <mqy> since those guys build linux from scratch they should touth this problem
Jan 01 14:23:03 <mqy> what about backup your currect /etc/localtime on HOST machine
Jan 01 14:23:17 <mqy> then setup zone in HOST environment
Jan 01 14:23:33 <mqy> then copy /etc/localtime to your FR /etc/localtime?
Jan 01 14:23:42 <mqy> deserve a try
Jan 01 14:24:14 <king> mqy, I will try that, this has some info http://www.linuxjunkies.org/html/Linux-From-Scratch-HOWTO.html, unfortunately I can't understand it well.
Jan 01 14:24:15 <mqy> in HOST environment, you have at least one way in GUI
Jan 01 14:24:51 <king> mqy, How do I setup zone in host environment?
Jan 01 14:25:26 <king> mqy, what program can read / open those timezone files?
Jan 01 14:25:38 <mqy> tzselect
Jan 01 14:25:45 <mqy> run it in console
Jan 01 14:26:06 <mqy> it will ask you questions
Jan 01 14:26:40 <mqy> but I'm afraid it fits you need
Jan 01 14:27:20 <king> mqy, tzselect ran fine, I selected my time zone from the options. Will it have updated /etc/localtime?
Jan 01 14:27:22 <mqy> king, the result should be same as manually select a file from /usr/share/zoneinfo/...
Jan 01 14:27:43 <mqy> king, you can ls -l /etc/localtime
Jan 01 14:27:53 <mqy> verify the last modified time
Jan 01 14:28:24 <king> mqy, I get a date, but it is a month ago.
Jan 01 14:29:03 <mqy> king, you are lucky
Jan 01 14:29:15 <mqy> king, mine is 2023
Jan 01 14:29:18 <king> mqy, Though I tookup a backup and a new localtime has been placed there somehow. The modifiend access time are a month ago of this new file.
Jan 01 14:29:28 <king> mqy, How come I am lucky? What is 2023?
Jan 01 14:29:43 <mqy> king, my year on FR
Jan 01 14:30:14 <king> mqy, :)
Jan 01 14:30:17 <mqy> king, run command date
Jan 01 14:30:36 <king> mqy, coming back to this tzselect script, it ran fine where would have it placed the file that I can copy over.
Jan 01 14:30:44 <mqy> king, is it the same month as the "last modified time" as your /etc/localtime?
Jan 01 14:30:51 <king> mqy, I am doing all this on my host machine. Do I run command date on HOST also?
Jan 01 14:31:09 <mqy> king, on FR is enough
Jan 01 14:31:27 <king> mqy, I have executed nothing in FR, everything on host!
Jan 01 14:31:31 <mqy> king, you need manually setup local time with command "date"
Jan 01 14:32:07 <king> mqy, You asked me to check the last modified time of the command 'date'? Should I look for it in /bin?
Jan 01 14:32:15 <king> mqy, I am very new. I don't get much of what you say.
Jan 01 14:32:27 <mqy> king, check the /etc/localtime on FR
Jan 01 14:33:08 <mqy> king, since your question is: does "tzselect" write changes to /etc/localtime?
Jan 01 14:33:59 <mqy> king, I have the same question about incorrect datetime
Jan 01 14:34:13 <king> mqy, I haven't run tzselect on my FR, only on host, running it on FR gives:
Jan 01 14:34:16 <king> /usr/bin/tzselect: line 65: syntax error: "do" unexpected (expecting ")")
Jan 01 14:34:19 <king> And the script stops immed.
Jan 01 14:35:16 <mqy> king, that's bad. I get failed too
Jan 01 14:35:42 <king> mqy, Can you look into the line 65 and put a ')' at the app place, and re-execute?
Jan 01 14:35:59 <mqy> after selcting ocean, it fails to ask further questions
Jan 01 14:36:22 <king> mqy, for me, it doesn't ask to select anything it just stops with the above error.
Jan 01 14:36:29 <king> mqy, I am using the latest kernel in SHR.
Jan 01 14:36:35 <mqy> king, let me try, strange
Jan 01 14:36:51 <mqy> king, me too, the latest unstable
Jan 01 14:36:59 <king> mqy, I am shr-testing.
Jan 01 14:37:04 <mqy> king, it is irrelavent to kernel
Jan 01 14:37:44 <king> mqy, Can you give eg of some issues that are caused by a kernel?
Jan 01 14:38:20 <mqy> king, very thing can be affected by kernel.
Jan 01 14:39:13 <king> ALL, I get a syntax error on executing tzselect. Someone please rectify the script.
Jan 01 14:39:14 <mqy> king, since the kernel is the cornerstone. but with this problem of tzselect I'm almost sure that the cause is not kernel bugs.
Jan 01 14:40:21 <mqy> king, here is mine on line 63:     case $(echo 1 | (select x in x; do break; done) 2>/dev/null) in
Jan 01 14:40:46 <king> mqy, What about line 65. That is where it complains in my case.
Jan 01 14:41:16 <mqy> king, sorry. yes 65 not 63
Jan 01 14:41:56 <king> mqy, This line is exact same in mine, what about line 66, it has got some continuing characters?
Jan 01 14:42:46 <mqy> king, 66: ?*) PS3= 67: esca
Jan 01 14:43:50 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * ra8d46ae2769b 10/ (Makefile.am src/dbus-hlid.vala src/main.vala src/obj.vala): split source files, start service only once
Jan 01 14:44:05 <king> mqy, Here 66 is: ?*)  PSC=
Jan 01 14:44:11 <king> and 67: esac
Jan 01 14:44:31 <king> mqy, Does 'while' start for you after line 67?
Jan 01 14:44:42 <mqy> king, mine is ?*) PS3=
Jan 01 14:44:43 <king> mqy, I guess I will edit my script to what is yours to atleast get rid of the syntax error.
Jan 01 14:45:03 <king> mqy, Error, mine to is PS3=
Jan 01 14:45:31 <king> mqy, What about '=67:' I don't have that after PS3
Jan 01 14:47:02 <king> mqy, Thanks for trying. I will go now.
Jan 01 14:47:21 <mqy> king, the 67: is line 67 :)
Jan 01 14:47:37 <mqy> king, line 66: ?*) PS3=
Jan 01 15:00:23 <morphis> heyho
Jan 01 15:00:32 <Ainulindale> mickey|sofa: did you have time to look at #23 on http://shr.bearstech.com/trac ?
Jan 01 15:00:46 <Ainulindale> (just checking to avoid any forgetfulnes :-) )
Jan 01 15:01:06 <mickey|sofa> hmm "port contacts3 to use libframework-glib" ?
Jan 01 15:01:40 <mickey|sofa> or do you mean 238?
Jan 01 15:01:41 <Ainulindale> Woops
Jan 01 15:01:42 <Ainulindale> 238
Jan 01 15:01:46 <Ainulindale> Sorry :-)
Jan 01 15:01:48 <mickey|sofa> ah
Jan 01 15:01:57 <Ainulindale> mickey|sofa: to sum up
Jan 01 15:02:04 <Ainulindale> User says it works with 2008.12
Jan 01 15:02:09 <Ainulindale> And with frameworkd, sim not present
Jan 01 15:02:26 <mickey|sofa> ok
Jan 01 15:02:31 <mickey|sofa> let me check the log
Jan 01 15:02:36 <Ainulindale> Checked with zhone & ophonekitd
Jan 01 15:02:45 <Ainulindale> He also rechecked the sim locking
Jan 01 15:04:59 <mickey|sofa> log looks ok
Jan 01 15:05:06 <mickey|sofa> modem reports SIM not inserted
Jan 01 15:06:25 <mickey|sofa> can't do anything about that
Jan 01 15:06:36 <mickey|sofa> I'd be interested in the qtopia logs, if he flashes 2008.12 again
Jan 01 15:07:59 <mickey|sofa> perhaps the SIM seating 
Jan 01 15:08:24 <Ainulindale> Well I made him double check if the sim was inserted correctly
Jan 01 15:08:30 <Ainulindale> So I can't do more :-)
Jan 01 15:08:40 <Ainulindale> Could you please comment on the ticket?
Jan 01 15:08:46 <mickey|sofa> sure
Jan 01 15:08:49 <Ainulindale> about qtopia logs and such things you would like?
Jan 01 15:09:16 <Ainulindale> user is "king", who was here an hour ago
Jan 01 15:09:23 <Ainulindale> I'll check on him and keep you in touch if he doesn't answer
Jan 01 15:09:24 <mickey|sofa> hmm, creating an account requires a password?
Jan 01 15:09:32 <Ainulindale> no
Jan 01 15:09:45 <Ainulindale> you have to enter the l/p you just asked for
Jan 01 15:10:54 <mickey|sofa> ah
Jan 01 15:10:57 <Ainulindale> Oh and I'll put you admin of our category FSO with daniel :-)
Jan 01 15:11:13 <Ainulindale> That way you'll be able to tag/untag FSO stuff if it's not your problem
Jan 01 15:11:39 <mickey|sofa> right
Jan 01 15:12:40 <PBeck> hi
Jan 01 15:12:58 <PBeck> has anybody gps-problems with shr unstable (2412) ?
Jan 01 15:16:40 <PBeck> http://nopaste.de/p/aTj9JLjBK
Jan 01 15:23:30 <mnagy> hi, sorry for asking here, but I guess I have a higher chance that someone knows.. I need to flash my NOR because of bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568
Jan 01 15:23:50 <mnagy> norwp says my nor is rw
Jan 01 15:24:13 <mnagy> but ./flashnor gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin doesn't work
Jan 01 15:24:35 <mnagy> cat: write error: Input/output error
Jan 01 16:04:28 <king> Ainulindale, Issue resolved, see http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/238#comment:3
Jan 01 16:06:16 <BluesLee> king: testing or unstable?
Jan 01 16:06:44 <king> BluesLee, testing. I have put that in the description.
Jan 01 16:09:31 <king> ticket updated.
Jan 01 16:09:45 <jonkristian> I wish the tappping when screen is blanked wouldn't invoke anything other than unblanking.
Jan 01 16:10:02 <mqy> king, you can copy the zoneinfo file from your HOST to FR
Jan 01 16:10:07 <mqy> I did this
Jan 01 16:10:30 <dolf1074> raster: Is it possible to compile the .edj theme of elementary with an older edje? Because if I do that know, all the elementary widgets stay black
Jan 01 16:10:47 <mqy> then setup datetime as this said http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time
Jan 01 16:12:07 <king> mqy, thanks for informing. Which is the zoneinfo file that should copy from the host (where does tzselect place it)?
Jan 01 16:12:57 <mqy> king, I don't know which one suits your need :(
Jan 01 16:13:05 <mqy> your ocean, then the city?
Jan 01 16:13:23 <mqy> look at dir /usr/share/zoneinfo/
Jan 01 16:14:15 <king> mqy, I have my time zone city HOST /usr/share/zoneinfo/, where do I copy it to on the FR? Same location?
Jan 01 16:14:26 <king> mqy, Then I wouldn't have to run the tzselect script at all, right?
Jan 01 16:14:36 <mqy> yes, same location
Jan 01 16:15:11 <mqy> then remove the /etc/localtime, then ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<yours> /etc/localtime
Jan 01 16:15:42 <king> mqy, is that it? Wouldn't I have to run additional commands from the OM wiki?
Jan 01 16:15:57 <king> mqy, Wouldn't directly running " ssh root@openmoko "date -u -s `date -u +%m%d%H%M%Y.%S`"" work?
Jan 01 16:16:00 <mqy> sync your datetime from HOST to FR
Jan 01 16:16:14 <mqy> change openmoko to 192.168.0.202
Jan 01 16:17:00 <king> mqy, I haven't copied any files, I just ran the above ssh command. I think it would have worked.
Jan 01 16:17:10 <king> mqy, What is the command to find the date on my FR?
Jan 01 16:17:14 <king> mqy, time
Jan 01 16:17:20 <king> admiral0, Did you get GSM working?
Jan 01 16:17:22 <mqy> king, date
Jan 01 16:17:26 <king> mqy, time?
Jan 01 16:17:38 <mqy> date command shows all
Jan 01 16:17:49 <admiral0> sometimes works sometimes not
Jan 01 16:18:13 <king> mqy, just running the above ssh command got me the right GMT / UTC time on FR
Jan 01 16:18:22 <king> mqy, Now do I copy the file and simlink it?
Jan 01 16:18:40 <king> admiral0, look at this http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/238#comment:3
Jan 01 16:18:43 <mqy> king, it's your optional choice for now
Jan 01 16:19:11 <king> mqy, Why I still don't have my local time. It is GMT. Would putting that script give me my local time?
Jan 01 16:19:23 <mqy> king, the zoneinfo file tell system your local time offset, time string format,etc
Jan 01 16:19:25 <king> mqy, Would the FR interface (on the phone) update dynamically as we much around with ssh?
Jan 01 16:19:39 <king> mqy, It is required then. Not optional as I am not in London :)
Jan 01 16:20:50 <mqy> hehe, I think the better ways to sync time (1) GPS (2) from HOST to FR via ssh
Jan 01 16:22:05 <mqy> GPS have problems, you seldom get signals inside doors
Jan 01 16:24:22 <king> mqy, I can't copy the file to FR via scp it says ssh verification failed.
Jan 01 16:24:35 <king> I have tried ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.202, it updates but still scp doesn't work.
Jan 01 16:24:41 <king> normal ssh works though
Jan 01 16:25:31 <mqy> king, what's the error?
Jan 01 16:25:46 <mqy> normal ssh requires key too
Jan 01 16:25:48 <king> mqy, Got it working.
Jan 01 16:26:08 <mqy> king, good
Jan 01 16:26:14 <king> mqy, Thanks :)
Jan 01 16:26:25 <mqy> :))
Jan 01 16:26:38 <king> mqy, should issuing the date command now show my local timezone instead of UTC?
Jan 01 16:26:56 <mqy> king, at your will
Jan 01 16:27:03 <mqy> date; date; date;
Jan 01 16:27:06 <mqy> hehe
Jan 01 16:27:41 <king> mqy, I directly copied my timezone file to /etc and renamed it to localtime.
Jan 01 16:27:46 <king> mqy, Date command still shows UTC
Jan 01 16:28:05 <mqy> logout/login
Jan 01 16:28:18 <king> Leaving now. Catch you later!
Jan 01 16:28:27 <mqy> 8
Jan 01 16:34:54 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r57f536746f8a 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add const file
Jan 01 16:35:45 <Ainulindale> mickey|sofa: the behavior is weird
Jan 01 16:35:53 <Ainulindale> User says if he replaces his SIM by anothero ne
Jan 01 16:35:59 <Ainulindale> Then replace back with the first one
Jan 01 16:36:00 <Ainulindale> it works
Jan 01 16:36:09 <BluesLee> hehe
Jan 01 16:36:13 <admiral0> Ainulindale: Is there no binutils in the repo?
Jan 01 16:36:15 <mickey|sofa> nottoo weird
Jan 01 16:36:17 <mickey|sofa> seating problem
Jan 01 16:36:31 <Ainulindale> mickey|sofa: He managed to reproduce that systematically
Jan 01 16:36:40 <mickey|sofa> which firmware?
Jan 01 16:36:43 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i can switch between 0% and 15% cpu time for e, for no reason;-)
Jan 01 16:36:49 <Ainulindale> Will ask for the details when he's here again
Jan 01 16:36:50 <mickey|sofa> should flash moko10 final to be sure that's not involved
Jan 01 16:38:09 <Ainulindale> Will tell him that
Jan 01 16:50:21 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: the packages of e. How old are they?
Jan 01 16:52:02 <dolf1074> or when will the packages of e (especially edje) will be updated?
Jan 01 16:54:10 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: can I get git access. I have 2 packeges etk-theme-shr-brave and elm-theme-shr-brave that I want to upload to shr-theme.git
Jan 01 16:57:25 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: they were updated on unstable
Jan 01 16:57:32 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: send me your key
Jan 01 16:57:35 <Ainulindale> and you'll need two accesses
Jan 01 16:57:41 <Ainulindale> one for the overlay where the bb should be
Jan 01 16:57:52 <Ainulindale> and one for the data (shr-themes)
Jan 01 16:58:02 <Ainulindale> quickdev: happy new year youngster
Jan 01 16:58:11 <Ainulindale> Meanwhile I have to clean things
Jan 01 16:58:14 <dolf1074> okay, and can you tell me how I make my key?
Jan 01 16:58:18 <quickdev> happy new year guys :)
Jan 01 16:58:25 <dolf1074> happy new year
Jan 01 16:58:33 <bumbl> quickdev: happy new year
Jan 01 16:59:27 <quickdev> Ainulindale, have you had a nice new year's eve?
Jan 01 17:00:31 <Mortak> happy new year everyone :)
Jan 01 17:02:05 * bumbl sends Bresaola della Valtellina to Ainulindale 
Jan 01 17:02:12 <bumbl> cook that will you
Jan 01 17:08:37 <dos2> jonkristian: tapping when screen is blanked doesn't involke anything other than unblanking ;p
Jan 01 17:09:37 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r51c96d80fc96 10/src/obj.vala: ListNames
Jan 01 17:09:55 <jonkristian> dos2: on shr, if i hit an application when tapping, the screen is unblanked, and the application starts.
Jan 01 17:10:20 <admiral0> where can i find ecore,evas & C. apis?  apis
Jan 01 17:10:25 <dos2> jonkristian: i have shr and unblanking doesn't invoke anything ;p
Jan 01 17:10:26 <jonkristian> i must say, if i accidently hit an application.
Jan 01 17:10:46 <dos2> jonkristian: what have you setted in illume power settings?
Jan 01 17:10:57 <dos2> jonkristian: set the same value which is in framework
Jan 01 17:10:59 <mickey|sofa> we need to add eating the first touch event on unblank
Jan 01 17:11:08 * mickey|sofa tries to remember
Jan 01 17:11:09 <dos2> jonkristian: illume is starting xscreensaver
Jan 01 17:11:16 <jonkristian> k
Jan 01 17:11:33 <dos2> jonkristian: and then unblanking wouldn't invoke anything else
Jan 01 17:11:45 <jonkristian> ok, thanks
Jan 01 17:11:56 <dos2> jonkristian: on my shr it doesn't ;]
Jan 01 17:12:21 <jonkristian> what's opkg error 0 ?
Jan 01 17:12:32 <jonkristian> that it didn't find the package?
Jan 01 17:13:20 <sylar91> hi, the functions' tab of ecalc is nearly completed -> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5c022d53963d3e0a539b0f7f197eff20.png
Jan 01 17:14:07 <bumbl> sylar91: nice
Jan 01 17:14:29 <bumbl> you are using the wrong distribution though :p
Jan 01 17:14:43 <sylar91> bumbl: I know but I need it...
Jan 01 17:14:56 <sylar91> bubmbl: thanks, buttons are made by Hire :)
Jan 01 17:15:15 <jonkristian> dos2: yeah, worked now:)
Jan 01 17:15:40 <jonkristian> a non serif font would be better in my opinion.
Jan 01 17:17:35 <dos2> i want to try asu illume theme on shr :x
Jan 01 17:17:46 <dos2> check, if it will work faster etc.
Jan 01 17:18:35 <dos2> probuje skompilowac fenneca
Jan 01 17:18:46 <dos2> pewnie nic z tego nie wyjdzie, ale zawsze ;D
Jan 01 17:19:13 <dos2> jak chcecie jakies paczki to piszcie
Jan 01 17:20:01 <tuju__> how do i start a shell in 2008.12 image?
Jan 01 17:20:56 <jonkristian> tuju__: you need to install a terminal
Jan 01 17:21:35 <mnagy> hi, sorry for asking again, but I'm pretty desparate.. I need to flash my NOR because of bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568
Jan 01 17:21:39 <mnagy> norwp says my nor is rw
Jan 01 17:21:43 <tuju__> jonkristian: i
Jan 01 17:21:44 <mnagy> but ./flashnor gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin doesn't work
Jan 01 17:21:48 <mnagy> cat: write error: Input/output error
Jan 01 17:22:07 <tuju__> jonkristian: i've no net connection (wifi/gprs) since gui does not support it (i guess)
Jan 01 17:22:08 <mnagy> and sorry for asking it here.. but I would bet developers have more experience with this..
Jan 01 17:22:54 <bumbl> mnagy: for writing to nor you need a debug board
Jan 01 17:22:57 <jonkristian> tuju__: ssh into it from your computar
Jan 01 17:23:00 <bumbl> do you have a debug board?
Jan 01 17:23:05 <mnagy> bumbl: I have it
Jan 01 17:23:06 <tuju__> bumbl: nope.
Jan 01 17:23:28 <jonkristian> is bluez-utils built with audio support?
Jan 01 17:23:30 <tuju__> jonkristian: mmm...that sounds good, i guess there are instructions for that
Jan 01 17:24:18 <mnagy> bumbl: norwp doesn't work without it, and it did work for me. I was able to switch to rw and ro and it then correctly showed me the status. but it doesn't really work
Jan 01 17:24:25 <jonkristian> tuju__: there are:) try this, http://rafb.net/p/TomG2892.html
Jan 01 17:24:53 <mnagy> (the writing to nor doesn't work that is..)
Jan 01 17:26:28 <bumbl> mnagy: as I don't have a debug board I can't help you - this was just an idea as some have tried to flash nor without debug board
Jan 01 17:26:36 <jonkristian> man i think there's something wrong with my shr install,  Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/bluez-audio_3.33-r3.1_armv4t.ipk, error 0
Jan 01 17:27:28 <jonkristian> And opkg update/upgrade hasn't fetched any new packages for days
Jan 01 17:28:04 <admiral0> how to put fullscreen an ecore_evas eapp?
Jan 01 17:29:12 <jonkristian> tried wget'ing the package and got wget: bad address 'shr.bearstech.com'
Jan 01 17:33:52 <tuju__> opkg says " * Could not obtain administrative lock"
Jan 01 17:35:45 <jonkristian> tuju__: yeah, kill the package daemon
Jan 01 17:35:52 <tuju__> ah, ack
Jan 01 17:37:24 <jonkristian> hm, http://rafb.net/p/UPp86S16.html
Jan 01 17:39:10 <tuju__> i get that too, signature check failuers
Jan 01 17:39:33 <tuju__> jonkristian: exact the same listing
Jan 01 17:40:01 <jonkristian> those are common
Jan 01 17:40:06 <dos2> jonkristian: can you ping something from freerunner?
Jan 01 17:40:11 <jonkristian> however i think something else is wrong
Jan 01 17:40:30 <jonkristian> dos2: ouch, i can't
Jan 01 17:40:31 <jonkristian> hm
Jan 01 17:40:51 <dos2> jonkristian: /etc/resolv.conf?
Jan 01 17:41:08 <jonkristian> looks correct too
Jan 01 17:41:13 <jonkristian> ill reboot the fr then
Jan 01 17:42:25 <tuju__> # opkg install terminal
Jan 01 17:42:26 <tuju__> An error ocurred, return value: 2.
Jan 01 17:45:16 <jonkristian> tuju__: you need the correct name
Jan 01 17:45:32 <jonkristian> it's all in the openmoko wiki
Jan 01 17:49:08 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r295cd2baa4d5 10/src/obj.vala: query introspection data for root node
Jan 01 17:49:26 <mickey|sofa> l8er
Jan 01 17:49:52 <jonkristian> updates are rare these days huh?
Jan 01 17:51:34 <dos2> hmm... someone needs to run build on buildhost ;p
Jan 01 17:51:51 <dos2> on my shr-unstable tree there are upgrades
Jan 01 17:52:26 <dos2> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/
Jan 01 17:52:42 <dos2> but now i'm testing it
Jan 01 17:52:44 <jonkristian> im on testing
Jan 01 17:53:24 <dos2> on "official" shr-unstable there are no upgrades too
Jan 01 17:55:56 <mqy> anyone knows how to upgrade from local HOST? I've build the shr-unstable tree
Jan 01 17:56:16 <mqy> have to setup a http server?
Jan 01 17:58:04 <tuju__> after i updated the device, it wont boot anymore
Jan 01 18:05:11 <dos2> tuju__: from what repo?
Jan 01 18:08:58 <PBeck> ping dos2 
Jan 01 18:09:10 <mnagy> ok.. is the NOR flash in /dev/mtd0 or /dev/mtd1?
Jan 01 18:09:44 <mnagy> oh. mtd0
Jan 01 18:16:28 <dos2> PBeck: pong
Jan 01 18:16:46 <PBeck> dos2: where can i find your shr-settings? :)
Jan 01 18:18:36 <bumbl> PBeck: wait until it's packaged
Jan 01 18:18:38 <bumbl> i would say
Jan 01 18:18:42 <dos2> PBeck: i'm testing just compiled package with it
Jan 01 18:19:01 <dos2> PBeck: so wait a minute and i will give you url ;)
Jan 01 18:19:33 <dos2> you can of course fetch it from svn
Jan 01 18:19:48 <PBeck> dos2: where?
Jan 01 18:19:54 <dos2> PBeck: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/shr-settings/
Jan 01 18:20:28 <PBeck> dos2: fine :)
Jan 01 18:20:43 <PBeck> bumbl: :)
Jan 01 18:20:47 <PBeck> dos2: thanks
Jan 01 18:21:12 <dos2> PBeck: but for now gui is little crappy and laggy :x
Jan 01 18:21:56 <dos2> ok, i don't know why illume is displaying shr-settings two times - maybe there is something wrong with .desktop file
Jan 01 18:22:00 <dos2> but package is here:
Jan 01 18:22:29 <dos2> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/shr-settings-new_0.0.1+svnr81-r1_armv4t.ipk
Jan 01 18:22:33 <PBeck> dos2: i think the categories are the problem - perhaps you have testet pyeflsudoku - there is the same
Jan 01 18:22:47 <dos2> PBeck: maybe
Jan 01 18:22:50 <PBeck> *tested
Jan 01 18:23:03 <dos2> PBeck: i will look at it later
Jan 01 18:23:23 <dos2> but on my neo package works ;)
Jan 01 18:23:36 <dos2> can someone test it on other neo? ;x
Jan 01 18:23:59 <king> How do I erase / backspace a character in default keyboard on SHR?
Jan 01 18:24:40 <king> Is any SHR dev present here? I want to ask about finger-friendly plans.
Jan 01 18:25:40 <PBeck> dos2: one moment
Jan 01 18:26:29 <king> I got DC. Any SHR devs here?
Jan 01 18:26:49 <PBeck> dos2: remove office from the desktop-file
Jan 01 18:26:59 <PBeck> Categories=Settings;     <= dos2 thats enough
Jan 01 18:27:04 <king> mqy, I got time working with your assistance.
Jan 01 18:29:00 <dos2> PBeck: ok, thanks, fixed in svn :)
Jan 01 18:30:08 <mqy> king, great
Jan 01 18:30:12 <king> Does any distro think about finger friendliness? I mean it should be an important consideration before putting together software / writing custom apps. If one wants to get finger navigation going (seriously that is the only way forward, esp as iphone does it so elegantly and effortlessly, we he have no excuse, also think about FR's stylus!) one has to keep that in mind right from the start. All the menus, apps, buttons, the functionality that goes
Jan 01 18:30:13 <king>  into apps - even that is limited by the finger friendly approach, as just the most imp features get screen space. Has any distro thought about this?
Jan 01 18:30:35 <mqy> don't forget to run hwclock. I get this hint from PBeck just now
Jan 01 18:30:58 <king> mqy, What does it do? In the SSH?
Jan 01 18:31:16 <mqy> king, in FR, this command has several options
Jan 01 18:31:27 <king> Or are the distro's still trying to get a coherent back-end up so the finger friendly thing is not yet discussed?
Jan 01 18:31:44 <king> mqy, Why do we need it? Now that the clock and timezone is set?
Jan 01 18:31:49 <PBeck> dos2: usbmode => host powered => no function
Jan 01 18:31:50 <mqy> king, the most useful is to show or --systohc
Jan 01 18:32:01 <dos2> PBeck: i know
Jan 01 18:32:22 <dos2> PBeck: all of shr-settings-new is still under heavy development
Jan 01 18:32:36 <mqy> king, I guess it keeps time going after os shutting down
Jan 01 18:32:48 <PBeck> dos2: yes i know - the hostmode works btw :)
Jan 01 18:33:00 <dos2> PBeck: yes, i know :D
Jan 01 18:33:10 <dos2> host powered is only unprogrammed toggle right now
Jan 01 18:33:11 <PBeck> is it alway powered
Jan 01 18:33:16 <PBeck> +s
Jan 01 18:33:31 <king> mqy, what is the exact command that we need to update the hardware clock with current SHR time?
Jan 01 18:33:47 <PBeck> dos2: set time and date => timezone and sync with hwclock would be important
Jan 01 18:34:01 <mqy> king, try: hwclock show;date
Jan 01 18:34:12 <PBeck> king: hwclock --systohc
Jan 01 18:34:12 <mqy> king, can you see any difference?
Jan 01 18:35:19 <mqy> I'm thinking about how to auto sync datetime upon usb0 up on FR
Jan 01 18:36:04 <mqy> If we can do on command line, we will add them to /etc/network/interface
Jan 01 18:36:11 <PBeck> dos2: perhaps you can disable the seconds in the clock
Jan 01 18:36:41 <PBeck> dos2: i think it needs more cpu-time 
Jan 01 18:37:03 <PBeck> so i go now to dinner 
Jan 01 18:37:07 <PBeck> see you later :)
Jan 01 18:38:22 <king> mqy, hwclock is set wrong. after running hwclock --systohc, hwclock advanced one day. still set wrong
Jan 01 18:38:52 <dos2> PBeck: no, we must rewrite dbus using to be asynchronized
Jan 01 18:39:03 <dos2> PBeck: right now dbus request is blocking ui
Jan 01 18:39:52 <mqy> king, can you copy the results from "hwclock show" and "date"?
Jan 01 18:40:12 <mqy> king, paste here?
Jan 01 18:40:55 <king> mqy, see PM
Jan 01 18:50:38 <PBeck> ew
Jan 01 18:50:40 <PBeck> re
Jan 01 19:15:04 <dos1> gimp.org is blocked in telekomunikacja polska (polish telecom)
Jan 01 19:15:19 <dos1> because of irc on this server...
Jan 01 19:17:51 <viq> o.O
Jan 01 19:17:52 <bumbl> dos1: nice telecom you have, haven't you
Jan 01 19:18:00 <viq> They are retarded, really....
Jan 01 19:18:15 <viq> "gods save us from tepsa", as I've been saying for some time now...
Jan 01 19:18:34 <dos1> bumbl: yep... and tp is monopolyst here
Jan 01 19:19:08 <viq> well, a bit less so... but they still think and act as one
Jan 01 19:20:00 <dos1> some freenode server is blocked too
Jan 01 19:20:05 <bumbl> dos1: so you don't have any other isp in poland?
Jan 01 19:20:31 <dos1> bumbl: we have, but in some places tp is the only possible choose
Jan 01 19:20:38 <bumbl> ah ok
Jan 01 19:20:49 <dos1> bumbl: and they are handling almost all of cable infrastructure
Jan 01 19:20:50 <bumbl> that's the same here in at
Jan 01 19:21:02 <bumbl> the telecom has all the infrastructure
Jan 01 19:21:12 <bumbl> and the alternativs are in and around the cities
Jan 01 19:22:12 <bumbl> but at least our telecom hasn't had a data scandal yet
Jan 01 19:22:17 <bumbl> and they are quite cheap
Jan 01 19:29:17 <viq> Gah, scandinavians are depressing...
Jan 01 19:29:22 <viq> "I soon may need some disk space, only 1TB left" ....
Jan 01 19:30:53 <bumbl> viq: wtf
Jan 01 19:31:04 <bumbl> those "filesharers
Jan 01 19:31:05 <bumbl> 2
Jan 01 19:31:06 <bumbl> "
Jan 01 19:32:39 <viq> I guess he's one of those, but not that it changes anything...
Jan 01 19:33:05 <viq> I talked with someone who pays approximately the same amount I do - for a connection only about 30 times faster...
Jan 01 19:33:30 <bumbl> well
Jan 01 19:37:37 <dos1> bumbl: mainly owners of polish telecom are france telecom and orange
Jan 01 19:37:47 <bumbl> aww
Jan 01 19:38:06 <viq> well, AFAIK orange _is_ france telecom
Jan 01 19:38:11 <bumbl> nothing against the french but their telecom incl orange sucks
Jan 01 19:39:34 <viq> "nothing against the french, just their companies" ;)
Jan 01 19:40:49 <dos1> viq: yes, orange is france telecom
Jan 01 19:40:58 <dos1> orange cellular network is also in poland
Jan 01 19:41:15 <dos1> france telecom has 48,56% polish telecom
Jan 01 19:41:18 <bumbl> they bought and rebranded a mobile operator here
Jan 01 19:41:42 <dos1> bumbl: yes, there was "Idea" before
Jan 01 19:41:42 <bumbl> before rebranding they changed the terms of service to something really ugly
Jan 01 19:54:59 <dos1> who was saying that fennec a2 is not compiling?
Jan 01 19:55:39 <TAsn> dunno, but someone have
Jan 01 19:55:40 <dos1> i've just compiled it :)
Jan 01 19:55:47 <TAsn> omg, send me an ipk! ;]
Jan 01 19:55:52 <TAsn> NOW!
Jan 01 19:55:55 <TAsn> :)
Jan 01 19:57:07 <dos1> TAsn: wait a moment, i'll create package index now ;p
Jan 01 19:57:09 <TAsn> ;]
Jan 01 19:57:25 <TAsn> I wonder why angstrom don't have a pkg.
Jan 01 20:02:23 <bumbl> dos1: that was Ainulindale 
Jan 01 20:03:35 <TAsn> dos1, if it's decent enough please make a bb file ;]
Jan 01 20:03:57 <bumbl> TAsn: there already is a bb file
Jan 01 20:04:06 <TAsn> a working one?
Jan 01 20:04:17 <bumbl> i think s
Jan 01 20:04:18 <bumbl> o
Jan 01 20:04:26 <TAsn> hmmm sec.
Jan 01 20:04:52 <TAsn> checking your bold claim ;]
Jan 01 20:05:02 <Ainulindale> bumbl: Maybe the bb file was fixed.
Jan 01 20:05:14 <bumbl> yep
Jan 01 20:05:36 <TAsn> no package named fennec in the shr repos ;\
Jan 01 20:08:33 <Ainulindale> Confirmed, package was fixed.
Jan 01 20:08:41 <Ainulindale> Currently compiling it.
Jan 01 20:09:01 <TAsn> cool! ;]
Jan 01 20:09:10 <TAsn> please tell me when it's done, I wanna give a2 a try ]
Jan 01 20:13:20 <bumbl> yeah me too
Jan 01 20:13:49 <Ainulindale> well it seems it still fails at configure with the OE tree on the buildhost
Jan 01 20:13:54 <Ainulindale> I don't have time to investigate I have to eat
Jan 01 20:14:07 <Ainulindale> Ask mrmoku_ or quickdev if they're available
Jan 01 20:14:08 <bumbl> yeah no problem
Jan 01 20:14:12 <bumbl> we will bug dos1 
Jan 01 20:14:21 <bumbl> dos1: ipk :D
Jan 01 20:14:31 <dos1> Ainulindale: fennec needs some packages to be installed on host
Jan 01 20:14:38 <BluesLee> dos1: ipk :-)
Jan 01 20:14:51 <dos1> autoconf1.2 and something else, i will check what i was installing
Jan 01 20:14:58 <dos1> BluesLee, bumbl: ok ok :D
Jan 01 20:15:03 <Ainulindale> dos1: I don't care, as I won't install them
Jan 01 20:15:06 <Ainulindale> the bb recipe is borked
Jan 01 20:15:10 <Ainulindale> And that's the problem
Jan 01 20:15:20 <Ainulindale> It tries to use autoconf host, and it should use cross autotools
Jan 01 20:15:26 <BluesLee> dos1: ipk for what?:-)
Jan 01 20:15:27 <Ainulindale> NEvermind, I'm off, time to eat
Jan 01 20:15:46 <dos1> ok
Jan 01 20:15:50 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: did you upgraded packages?
Jan 01 20:15:57 <dos1> BluesLee: fennec a2
Jan 01 20:16:07 <BluesLee> okay
Jan 01 20:16:16 <dos1> BlueSLee, bumbl: i must firstly check, if this package works ;p
Jan 01 20:17:05 <bumbl> yeah take yourself time
Jan 01 20:17:19 <BluesLee> okay zhone went to testing
Jan 01 20:17:39 <BluesLee> what about the gsm ui's?
Jan 01 20:18:14 <BluesLee> i miss the good ones from unstable, but it was unstable for me ...
Jan 01 20:26:11 <Ainulindale> They'll go to testing soon
Jan 01 20:28:39 <admiral0> Ainulindale: there is no binutils in the repo
Jan 01 20:30:11 <BluesLee> i am installing zhone, too much dependencies here
Jan 01 20:32:02 <BluesLee> http://pastebin.ca/1297801
Jan 01 20:34:46 <dos1> ok, i'm downloading ipk on neo :)
Jan 01 20:37:35 <BluesLee> is it possible to use zhone and the shr gsm apps?
Jan 01 20:37:45 <dos1> BluesLee: yes
Jan 01 20:38:08 <BluesLee> okay
Jan 01 20:38:38 <BluesLee> waiting for pin dialog ...
Jan 01 20:38:44 <dos1> oh, gtk+ overwriting error :x
Jan 01 20:38:48 <dos1> downloading again
Jan 01 20:48:31 <dos1> ok, it works
Jan 01 20:48:58 <dos1> but it's slooooow
Jan 01 20:49:37 <dos1> fennec a2 is in this repo: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/
Jan 01 20:49:52 <dos1> ipk: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/fennec_0.9+1.0a2-r2_armv4t.ipk
Jan 01 20:49:56 <dos1> 10M
Jan 01 20:50:55 <BluesLee> dos1: i installed zhone but i get no pin dialog ...
Jan 01 21:29:40 <TAsn> dos1, thanks, I'm d/ling it.
Jan 01 21:36:21 <TAsn> dos1, we use gtk-fastscaling on the moko, not gtk+ change the dep.
Jan 01 21:37:09 <TAsn> *please change the dep ;]
Jan 01 21:41:34 <dos1> TAsn: it depends only on cairo and alsa-lib
Jan 01 21:41:42 <TAsn> really? weird
Jan 01 21:41:58 <TAsn> no it doesn't
Jan 01 21:42:05 <TAsn> check the control file in the package
Jan 01 21:42:33 <dos1> TAsn: in .bb recipe there is only cairo and alsa-lib
Jan 01 21:44:22 <dos1> TAsn: ok, i have
Jan 01 21:44:35 <dos1> it is in mozilla.bbclass
Jan 01 21:44:43 <TAsn> ;]
Jan 01 21:45:18 <TAsn> I just manually edited the ipk for myself, though I just wanted you to know ;]
Jan 01 21:45:34 <TAsn> (testing...)
Jan 01 21:47:16 <dos1> TAsn: on my neo:
Jan 01 21:47:17 <dos1>  * ERROR: Package gtk+-fastscaling (parent gtk+-fastscaling) is not available from any configured src.
Jan 01 21:47:22 <dos1> it isn't in shr repo?
Jan 01 21:47:44 <TAsn> I think it should be
Jan 01 21:47:53 <TAsn> anyhow you probably force erased it when you installed fennec
Jan 01 21:48:44 <dos1> TAsn: no. i was watching installation and it doesn't erase anything
Jan 01 21:49:05 <TAsn> weild.
Jan 01 21:49:07 <TAsn> weird*
Jan 01 21:53:06 <dos1> TAsn: i'm compiling it now
Jan 01 21:56:44 <dos1> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk
Jan 01 21:56:54 <dos1> i don't know, what my opkg wants
Jan 01 21:57:04 <TAsn> ;\
Jan 01 21:57:06 <TAsn> same here
Jan 01 21:57:23 <TAsn> for some reason although the deps are different it's still asking for gtk+
Jan 01 21:58:25 <TAsn> where's the opkg pid at?
Jan 01 21:58:34 <TAsn> it's saying it can't get administartive lock
Jan 01 21:58:40 <TAsn> although only one instance is running.
Jan 01 22:00:06 <TAsn> let's try with nodeps ;]
Jan 01 22:00:43 <dos1> oh, i know
Jan 01 22:00:46 <TAsn> ?
Jan 01 22:00:57 <dos1> some time ago i accidentaly upgraded from shr-testing
Jan 01 22:01:07 <dos1> there packages has .1 added to version
Jan 01 22:01:17 <dos1> on unstable they doesn't
Jan 01 22:01:23 <TAsn> so?
Jan 01 22:01:24 <dos1> it's not posiible to reinstall
Jan 01 22:01:31 <TAsn> oh
Jan 01 22:01:40 <TAsn> -force-downgrade
Jan 01 22:01:42 <dos1> we must remove with -force and then install it again
Jan 01 22:02:05 <TAsn> just use the flag I suggested.
Jan 01 22:02:21 <dos1> yep
Jan 01 22:03:45 <TAsn> how is it anyway?
Jan 01 22:03:55 <TAsn> still unbelievably slow?
Jan 01 22:04:51 <TAsn> well it's working
Jan 01 22:04:56 <TAsn> I'll answer myself.
Jan 01 22:05:11 <TAsn> ok it crashed
Jan 01 22:05:15 <dos1> TAsn: yep
Jan 01 22:05:18 <TAsn> let me check what libs I'm missing.
Jan 01 22:05:19 <dos1> with gtk+-fastscaling
Jan 01 22:05:22 <dos1> /usr/lib/fennec/fennec: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/fennec/xulrunner/libxul.so: undefined symbol: gdk_event_request_motions
Jan 01 22:05:30 <dos1> with gtk+ it don't crash
Jan 01 22:06:07 <TAsn> I got a1 working with gtk fastscaling
Jan 01 22:09:14 <TAsn> I wonder how we can get that working.
Jan 01 22:11:56 <morphis> dos1: I fixed the toggle widget state bug
Jan 01 22:12:30 <TAsn> dos1, it seems that this is a newer gtk feature (that function) and it's not yet in gtk+-fastscaling which is way behind. ;\
Jan 01 22:13:29 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r332 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx tests/test.py): Fixed the problem with the state get/set methods of the toggle widget
Jan 01 22:13:38 <TAsn> dos1, only available since 2.12 or something.
Jan 01 22:13:48 <dos1> morphis: thanks! :)
Jan 01 22:14:01 <morphis> no problem
Jan 01 22:14:48 <TAsn> I wonder who's maintaining gtk+-fastscaling.
Jan 01 22:17:15 <TAsn> dos1, anyhow, I'm off to bed, I hope you'll be able to figure this out.... We gotta find out who's maintaining (or more correctly not maintaining) gtk+-fastscaling and have a quick chat with him ;]
Jan 01 22:17:20 <TAsn> cya.
Jan 01 22:17:36 <TAsn> too bad though, I have a beautiful fennec icon on my desktop and I can't use it ;]
Jan 01 22:38:10 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r333 10/trunk/python-elementary/tests/test.py: Extends test.py
Jan 01 22:42:07 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r334 10/trunk/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx: Implement missing Icon.file_set method
Jan 01 22:53:38 <dos1> morphis: bad news
Jan 01 22:53:54 <dos1> toggle state_set now don't work :x
Jan 01 23:08:48 <dos1> i was disconnected
Jan 01 23:08:51 <dos1> morphis: fixed?
Jan 01 23:39:03 <yoyo> raster: can you help my?
Jan 01 23:49:52 <admiral0> 'night
Jan 01 23:50:48 <yoyo> raster: I realy have some problem with elementary
Jan 02 00:17:27 <raster> yoyo: ?
Jan 02 00:18:17 <yoyo> raster: can you send my som examples of using python-elementary where whos use elementary.Icon
Jan 02 00:18:23 <raster> nup
Jan 02 00:18:48 <yoyo> raster: it is wery difficost tu find somting about that library the name :) is weeery good :)
Jan 02 00:18:59 <raster> can't help
Jan 02 00:19:07 <raster> i didnt write python bindings for it
Jan 02 00:19:10 <raster> i dont use python
Jan 02 00:19:22 <yoyo> I see 
Jan 02 00:19:23 <raster> i actually have a pretty distinct dislike of python
Jan 02 00:21:01 <yoyo> ok thx :|
Jan 02 00:21:21 <raster> so i cant tell you anything
Jan 02 00:21:26 <raster> i can tell you how to use the c stuff
Jan 02 00:21:27 <raster> :)
Jan 02 00:21:32 <yoyo> :)
Jan 02 00:21:52 <yoyo> app is write (ed?) in python 
Jan 02 00:22:02 <yoyo> it is little to late to rewrit it 
Jan 02 00:22:15 <yoyo> posible 2.0 :P
Jan 02 00:23:06 <yoyo> my english is purr :/
Jan 02 00:23:28 <raster> hahahaha
Jan 02 00:23:44 <raster> purr is what a cat does
Jan 02 00:23:44 <raster> :)
Jan 02 00:23:44 <raster> well unfortunately i can't help you
Jan 02 00:23:50 <raster> i have no idea what the bindings look like
Jan 02 00:24:10 <yoyo> thx for talk 
Jan 02 00:29:48 <yoyo> happy new year
Jan 02 01:31:18 <tuju_> what SHR images i should use to get booting device?
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