**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009
Jan 13 03:33:46 <AntonTakk> hrm, the layout gets jacked when i pull a elm layout containing an edje object into a swallow part in another edje part in another elm layout
Jan 13 03:35:19 <AntonTakk> at some point my code will create a digital black hole and suck all the bits out of my rig  :)
Jan 13 03:38:53 <Dave> blech, edje
Jan 13 03:39:05 <Dave> did you ever get that widget situation under control, anton?
Jan 13 03:39:34 <AntonTakk> yeah, but that led to the curent situation
Jan 13 04:16:42 <Dave> oh great :)
Jan 13 04:16:56 <AntonTakk> ok, looks like it is displaying properly now, but the window gets small  :-)
Jan 13 04:17:08 <AntonTakk> and can't be resized
Jan 13 04:17:15 <Dave> uh oh
Jan 13 04:18:05 <AntonTakk> well, getting to tired to work on it any more tonight
Jan 13 04:18:08 <AntonTakk> goin to bed
Jan 13 04:18:20 <Dave> Goodnight then, Mr. Anton :)
Jan 13 04:18:36 <AntonTakk> night
Jan 13 06:42:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ping
Jan 13 06:42:52 <Ainulindale> pong
Jan 13 06:43:11 <Ainulindale> (I'm already at work, amazed? :-) )
Jan 13 06:43:16 <tordo> good morning!
Jan 13 06:43:32 <Ainulindale> 'morning!
Jan 13 06:43:44 <mw|> Ainulindale: gratulations :-p
Jan 13 06:43:54 <mw|> going to leave for work in 5-6 minutes :-p
Jan 13 06:44:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep, amazed ;)
Jan 13 06:44:06 <mrmoku> two things....
Jan 13 06:44:11 <Ainulindale> mw|: o/
Jan 13 06:44:39 <raster> work schmork
Jan 13 06:44:40 <mrmoku> a) is there a gitosis way to enable regulare repo packing?
Jan 13 06:44:48 <Ainulindale> I don't think so
Jan 13 06:44:55 <Ainulindale> You mean like angstrom does?
Jan 13 06:45:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: calling git gc
Jan 13 06:45:21 <mrmoku> I mean git's own packing
Jan 13 06:45:21 <Ainulindale> Well we can do that ourselves, I can ask for cron permissions
Jan 13 06:45:30 <Ainulindale> Yes but the question was: what for?
Jan 13 06:45:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep... would be very good
Jan 13 06:45:45 <mrmoku> because cloning via http is getting endless
Jan 13 06:45:47 <Ainulindale> Same thing ansgstrom does to pack things to speed up the download process?
Jan 13 06:45:59 <Ainulindale> Sheesh, you're exaggerating :-)
Jan 13 06:46:04 <mrmoku> should speed up a lot with a cleaned up repo
Jan 13 06:46:12 <mrmoku> yep exaggerated... but still true ;)
Jan 13 06:46:22 <Ainulindale> It's slow, it's not that long
Jan 13 06:46:43 <Ainulindale> In fact I didn't even notice it was slow as I don't really care about the slowness (of the download)
Jan 13 06:46:43 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: but it's not necessary
Jan 13 06:46:57 <Ainulindale> What was the second thing?
Jan 13 06:47:35 <mrmoku> the second thing is... how do I get him to include the correct versions into the image :(
Jan 13 06:47:49 <zsircusr> moinmoin
Jan 13 06:47:50 <mrmoku> somehow I managed to build with a mixed up EFL_SRCREV
Jan 13 06:47:54 <Ainulindale> Heh
Jan 13 06:48:04 <mrmoku> so the libs are newer EVL_SRCREV than the rest
Jan 13 06:48:05 <Ainulindale> That's raster's, mickey|zzZZzz's, and bitbake's fault
Jan 13 06:48:09 <mrmoku> no good
Jan 13 06:48:19 <Ainulindale> So what I'd suggest is to remove every package in tmp related to e
Jan 13 06:48:34 <Ainulindale> (That'll be boring)
Jan 13 06:48:48 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: already did that for all packages with the wrong revision
Jan 13 06:48:49 <Ainulindale> But thinking about it
Jan 13 06:48:56 <Ainulindale> This problem shouldn't happen with svn
Jan 13 06:48:58 <Ainulindale> just with git
Jan 13 06:49:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: bitbake -c clean your image first
Jan 13 06:49:28 <Ainulindale> Then show me the testlab somewhere if possible
Jan 13 06:49:49 <raster> *i* havent bumped any srcrevs for e/efl anywhere
Jan 13 06:49:51 <tordo> oh.. seems i'll be flashing my phone again durin physics today
Jan 13 06:49:55 <raster> except in my own patches and tree
Jan 13 06:50:02 <raster> and i bump the srcrev universally for all of it
Jan 13 06:50:04 <raster> always
Jan 13 06:50:04 <raster> :)
Jan 13 06:50:11 <mrmoku> tordo: hehe, might be :-)
Jan 13 06:50:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw. we have an ultraunstable image now :P
Jan 13 06:50:42 <Ainulindale> raster: I know, my sentence was just about the packaging :-)
Jan 13 06:50:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yeah I trust you on that
Jan 13 06:51:13 <mrmoku> what happens if you change EFL_SRCREV _during_ the build?
Jan 13 06:51:22 <Ainulindale> You're doomed
Jan 13 06:51:30 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: delete the cache
Jan 13 06:51:33 <Ainulindale> delete the ccache
Jan 13 06:51:33 * mrmoku is doomed :-)
Jan 13 06:51:38 <Ainulindale> (both)
Jan 13 06:51:48 <Ainulindale> then rm the stamps on e-wm
Jan 13 06:51:57 <Ainulindale> and pretty much on everything using EFL_SRCREV
Jan 13 06:52:03 <Ainulindale> then rebitbake your image
Jan 13 06:52:06 <tordo> it might be appropriate if you wan ultraunstable to live up to its name though
Jan 13 06:52:08 <Ainulindale> but don't forget to remove the cache and ccache
Jan 13 06:52:19 <tordo> sant*
Jan 13 06:52:25 <tordo> want*, oh please
Jan 13 06:52:38 <mrmoku> tordo: hehe :-)
Jan 13 06:55:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: .ccache in home?
Jan 13 06:55:18 <Ainulindale> wherever your ccache is
Jan 13 06:55:24 <Ainulindale> I just had too many problem with ccache
Jan 13 06:55:28 <Ainulindale> +s
Jan 13 06:55:34 <mrmoku> I'm on buildhost - so home i guess
Jan 13 06:57:38 <Ainulindale> Ah you built the image directly on the buildhost?
Jan 13 06:57:50 <Ainulindale> And that's where you forked the libraries?
Jan 13 06:58:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: in a subdir, yeah
Jan 13 06:59:57 <Ainulindale> what do you mean in a subdir?
Jan 13 07:00:28 <mrmoku> I started from scratch with our Makefile in build subdir
Jan 13 07:00:39 <mrmoku> didn't touch the old build
Jan 13 07:00:40 <Ainulindale> A new subdir, not available for public & such?
Jan 13 07:01:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: initially no... now it's linked as ultraunstable
Jan 13 07:01:21 <mrmoku> had to install gdb to debug a segfault when trying to write new SMS
Jan 13 07:01:36 <mrmoku> which led me to find out I borked the EFL_SRCREV thing ;)
Jan 13 07:01:52 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 13 07:02:01 <Ainulindale> Well now you kno
Jan 13 07:02:02 <Ainulindale> +w
Jan 13 07:02:05 <Ainulindale> Don't fiddle with a build
Jan 13 07:02:42 <mrmoku> not while building... no good :-)
Jan 13 07:03:43 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: regarding the git repo packing... it is not just, because it's taking a long time to clone
Jan 13 07:04:09 <mrmoku> too much output on screen ;)
Jan 13 07:04:49 <Ainulindale> meh :-)
Jan 13 07:04:54 <dcordes-mid-of-n> Ainulindale is there frameworkd-devel-glib?
Jan 13 07:04:57 <dcordes-mid-of-n> hi
Jan 13 07:05:32 <Ainulindale> dcordes-mid-of-n: Yes thanks to mrmoku 
Jan 13 07:06:11 <mrmoku> well no... there is stabilization/milestone4 lfg ;)
Jan 13 07:06:29 <mrmoku> dcordes-mid-of-n: frameworkd switched back to master, though...
Jan 13 07:08:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: if the buildhost says sh: rm: command not found
Jan 13 07:08:13 <mrmoku> should I be worried?
Jan 13 07:08:23 <Ainulindale> let's screen together will you?
Jan 13 07:08:53 <mrmoku> ???
Jan 13 07:08:53 <Ainulindale> ok ?
Jan 13 07:09:15 <mrmoku> screen together?
Jan 13 07:09:35 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: screen -x
Jan 13 07:09:39 <Ainulindale> on the buildhost
Jan 13 07:10:20 <mrmoku> ok and then
Jan 13 07:10:20 <mrmoku> ?
Jan 13 07:10:23 <Ainulindale> Then do your stuff and we'll both look at it
Jan 13 07:10:29 <Ainulindale> but in this screen rm works :-)
Jan 13 07:10:57 <Ainulindale> you're seeing what I wrote?
Jan 13 07:11:21 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no... have to give your session as parameter to screen -x?
Jan 13 07:11:34 * mrmoku was using screen only alone until today...
Jan 13 07:11:51 <Ainulindale> yeah give my session
Jan 13 07:12:44 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok saw you were trying to execute figlet ;)
Jan 13 07:13:04 <mrmoku> the missing rm output was from some e package though
Jan 13 07:13:16 <Ainulindale> Ok, so start again what you were doing in the screen please :-)
Jan 13 07:13:36 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: the build is still running...
Jan 13 07:13:59 <Ainulindale> Oh
Jan 13 07:14:06 <Ainulindale> Then tell me when you're ready to go
Jan 13 07:14:07 <mrmoku> we have just that one window in common? if I switch it won't switch for you?
Jan 13 07:14:32 <Ainulindale> yep
Jan 13 07:15:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok. I did what you said... rm cache ccache and all timestamps regarding e (hope it were all;)
Jan 13 07:15:12 <mrmoku> restarted the build then
Jan 13 07:15:35 * Ainulindale whistles a stupid song
Jan 13 07:16:34 <mrmoku> I have to go to the office now...
Jan 13 07:16:42 <mrmoku> when its finished you can admire the result in http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-ultraunstable/
Jan 13 07:16:46 <mrmoku> ;=)
Jan 13 07:16:49 <Ainulindale> Ok then keep me in touch
Jan 13 07:17:00 <Ainulindale> (damn how stupid this song is)
Jan 13 07:17:08 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hehe like it though :_)
Jan 13 07:17:19 <Ainulindale> mrmoku :-)
Jan 13 07:17:19 <mrmoku> makes me feel young :-)
Jan 13 07:17:23 <Ainulindale> Too bad I can't speak german
Jan 13 07:18:21 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw. the fastboot stuff is upstream now...
Jan 13 07:19:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: at least your english is good :D
Jan 13 07:19:19 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yeah I know (fastboot)
Jan 13 07:19:28 <Ainulindale> And for my english, well, I make some mistakes here and there
Jan 13 07:19:30 <Ainulindale> It bothers me
Jan 13 07:19:51 <Ainulindale> But sad to say, a fellow french fluent in english is something rare
Jan 13 07:19:58 <Ainulindale> So I guess I'm luccky
Jan 13 07:20:00 <Ainulindale> s/cc/c/
Jan 13 07:20:01 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: So I guess I'm lucky
Jan 13 07:20:04 <Ainulindale> (CCC!)
Jan 13 07:20:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep :-)
Jan 13 07:20:53 <Ainulindale> Beat on the brat! Beat on the brat! Beat on the brat with a baseball bat!
Jan 13 07:21:11 <Ainulindale> (FYI if you don't know it's "The Ramones", we're playing that with my boss when we're doing music)
Jan 13 07:21:48 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: looks like your job is real fun :-)
Jan 13 07:21:57 <Ainulindale> Well, yeah
Jan 13 07:22:12 <Ainulindale> I never was someone able to include myself in a group that well
Jan 13 07:22:21 <Ainulindale> Mostly because I'm unbearable and prompt to anger
Jan 13 07:22:31 <Ainulindale> It's the first company where I felt at ease
Jan 13 07:30:17 <mrmoku> arggh will it finish or not... that testlab is quite expensive... thought I could wait
Jan 13 07:30:29 <mrmoku> have to run now though. see you later.
Jan 13 07:30:29 <Ainulindale> is it in a screen?
Jan 13 07:30:33 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 13 07:30:38 <Ainulindale> Ok, will monitor it then
Jan 13 07:31:01 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I closed the other window and will detach now
Jan 13 07:31:13 <mrmoku> ok, cu
Jan 13 07:31:39 <Ainulindale> See you
Jan 13 07:57:40 <morphis> heyho
Jan 13 07:59:09 <Sargun> What's stefan's IRC nickname?
Jan 13 07:59:17 <Sargun> mickey|zzZZzz, wake up.
Jan 13 07:59:18 <Sargun> Grr.
Jan 13 08:02:38 <Ainulindale> Sargun: stefan_schmidt
Jan 13 08:02:51 <Ainulindale> Sometimes nakedwurtz89
Jan 13 08:03:01 <Sargun> Seriously?
Jan 13 08:03:36 <Ainulindale> For the former, yes
Jan 13 08:10:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: arggh... still has the wrong packages in it :(
Jan 13 08:11:24 <morphis> hm anybody knows about prefetching the source with bitbake?
Jan 13 08:13:14 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: confirmed in the testlab?
Jan 13 08:13:52 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 13 08:14:15 <mrmoku> (just by the testlab... did not install it)
Jan 13 08:19:38 <Ainulindale> Give me a package name as an example please
Jan 13 08:21:11 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: libelementary-tests_2:0.0.0+svnr38537-r3_armv4t.ipk
Jan 13 08:21:22 <mrmoku> practically all libs regarding e
Jan 13 08:21:27 <Wonka> hm, just looked into /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/frameworkd/subsystems/otimed/ - nothing there about GPS or NTP. in current SHR unstable. why? where has it gone?
Jan 13 08:21:41 <mrmoku> wanted (and set) SRCREV is 38521
Jan 13 08:21:42 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: heh
Jan 13 08:21:49 <Ainulindale> you didn't remove the packages
Jan 13 08:21:57 <Ainulindale> check the screen
Jan 13 08:21:59 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you didn't tell me to ;)
Jan 13 08:22:09 <Ainulindale> well bitbake will take the latest no matter what
Jan 13 08:22:31 <Ainulindale> damn
Jan 13 08:22:33 <Ainulindale> you disconnected me
Jan 13 08:22:47 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hehe
Jan 13 08:22:51 <mrmoku> sorry for that
Jan 13 08:23:18 <mrmoku> I have a force reconnect/disconnect in my connection script
Jan 13 08:23:35 <Ainulindale> Seems everything was removed
Jan 13 08:23:41 <Ainulindale> though you shouldn't have done what you did
Jan 13 08:23:53 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: the disconnect is when you do screen -r
Jan 13 08:23:59 <Ainulindale> if you do screen -x it doesn't disconnect
Jan 13 08:24:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: now the problem is, you have to figure which packages are using EFL_SRCREV
Jan 13 08:24:17 <mrmoku> yep... usually I use screen sessions on my own and I want it that way
Jan 13 08:24:33 <mrmoku> look at build/pkgs
Jan 13 08:24:42 <mrmoku> that were all wrong packages from my last install
Jan 13 08:25:27 <Ainulindale> Too bad you deleted the packages
Jan 13 08:25:32 <Ainulindale> Now you won't know which one there was
Jan 13 08:27:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: keep me in touch but here you'll have to remove every stamp related to a package tied to EFL_SRCREV
Jan 13 08:28:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: i could also rm -rf tmp ;)
Jan 13 08:29:01 <Ainulindale> Well you could also hang yourself
Jan 13 08:29:01 <Ainulindale> But you wouldn't like that would you?
Jan 13 08:29:16 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: depending tasks are those who depend on e-module
Jan 13 08:29:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: depends on the circumstances :P
Jan 13 08:29:47 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: just that I'm at work and can't do much right now...
Jan 13 08:30:17 <Ainulindale> But I'm not sure
Jan 13 08:32:07 <mrmoku> about what?
Jan 13 08:33:39 <Ainulindale> what I just said
Jan 13 08:33:45 <Ainulindale> well I deleted a bunch of stamps
Jan 13 08:34:19 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: while doing what you do... you could keep a list with all EFL depending packages
Jan 13 08:34:33 <Ainulindale> Or I could hang myself too =)
Jan 13 08:34:34 <mrmoku> and then have a script to do that 
Jan 13 08:35:09 <mrmoku> lets meet somewhere and hang ourselves :P
Jan 13 08:35:20 <Ainulindale> yay
Jan 13 08:39:43 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: image is being written
Jan 13 08:40:00 <mrmoku> :-)
Jan 13 08:41:42 <Ainulindale> I hope they won't be problems with staging
Jan 13 08:41:46 <Ainulindale> Did you see what I did?
Jan 13 08:44:05 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: just glanced... have to concentrate on other stuff :(
Jan 13 09:17:52 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: heh, finished... and lots of stuff missing
Jan 13 09:19:46 <Ainulindale> Such as?
Jan 13 09:22:25 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: libevas? and all other e-libs? 
Jan 13 09:25:53 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: that's weird
Jan 13 09:27:13 <mrmoku> yup
Jan 13 09:27:36 <Ainulindale> We need to find the names of the libs
Jan 13 09:27:54 <Ainulindale> Nevermind
Jan 13 09:27:58 <Ainulindale> I deleted everything related to e
Jan 13 09:28:23 <Ainulindale> It'll be easier =)
Jan 13 09:33:54 <Hire> raster will be cry on the corner when you have deleted anything related to E
Jan 13 09:34:23 <Ainulindale> He can't, he has no emotion
Jan 13 09:34:34 <Ainulindale> Hire: I have a little job for you if you're up to it
Jan 13 09:34:36 <Hire> he is a robot? 
Jan 13 09:34:39 <Ainulindale> (graphical job)
Jan 13 09:34:43 <Ainulindale> two of them in fact
Jan 13 09:34:43 <Hire> sure
Jan 13 09:34:47 <Ainulindale> query
Jan 13 09:34:55 <Hire> a query, you still love me !
Jan 13 09:36:06 <mrmoku> ahh this is why raster is torturing us with his stuff... missing emotions ;)
Jan 13 09:36:16 <raster> MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Jan 13 09:38:24 <polz> Ainulindale: could you suggest a working shr image for my gta01? Please? Pretty please?
Jan 13 09:38:37 * polz gets some sugar & cream ready, just in case
Jan 13 09:38:41 <Ainulindale> Sorry but I can't
Jan 13 09:38:45 <Ainulindale> I didn't have time to test
Jan 13 09:38:48 <polz> drat & double drat
Jan 13 09:38:50 <Ainulindale> Please bug me about it tonight and I'll try it :-)
Jan 13 09:38:56 <Ainulindale> (I don't like cream or sugar)
Jan 13 09:38:57 <polz> Ainulindale: gladly.
Jan 13 09:39:16 <Ainulindale> But you could try it yourself you know :-)
Jan 13 09:39:23 <Ainulindale> Currently mrmoku is trying to rebuild an image
Jan 13 09:39:31 <Ainulindale> If it works for GTA02 we'll compile it for GTA01
Jan 13 09:39:47 <polz> Ainulindale: well, I've tried installing the unstable image from jan. 06
Jan 13 09:39:57 <polz> and ophonekitd kept crashing
Jan 13 09:40:04 <Ainulindale> Why?
Jan 13 09:40:07 <Ainulindale> If this is a failed assertion
Jan 13 09:40:08 <Ainulindale> Spank quickdev
Jan 13 09:40:12 <Ainulindale> If this is power status
Jan 13 09:40:20 <Ainulindale> Spank either me or any FSO team member
Jan 13 09:40:25 <Ainulindale> Though this has been fixed
Jan 13 09:40:33 <polz> well, it was actually GSM Antenna power
Jan 13 09:40:43 <Ainulindale> Tell me about that :--)
Jan 13 09:41:05 <polz> well, I tried telling you about it yesterday night :P
Jan 13 09:41:15 <Ainulindale> I was busy reading
Jan 13 09:41:35 * polz is going to browse the logs now
Jan 13 09:41:56 <polz> Ainulindale: btw, Raster has a really small cpp somewhere
Jan 13 09:42:08 <polz> which could be used to replace the one used now
Jan 13 09:42:19 <polz> and save about 1.5M of diskspace
Jan 13 09:42:43 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: power status is fixed :-)
Jan 13 09:42:50 <Ainulindale> polz: I know, read this
Jan 13 09:43:00 <polz> sweet :)
Jan 13 09:43:10 <Ainulindale> Could you try to package it?
Jan 13 09:43:20 <Ainulindale> I'm sure you're bursting with eagerness to contribute
Jan 13 09:44:19 <polz> hehe, I could _try_
Jan 13 09:44:25 <Ainulindale> Don't worry it's easy
Jan 13 09:44:29 <Ainulindale> There are plenty of examples
Jan 13 09:44:33 <polz> but not before late in the evening
Jan 13 09:45:06 <polz> I know, I've already written a .bb file for hello world from somewhere
Jan 13 09:45:32 <polz> ** (process:1127): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback()
Jan 13 09:45:34 <polz> [Mon Jan 12 2009] [23:52:28] <polz>     Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
Jan 13 09:45:42 <polz> that's what I got yesterday
Jan 13 09:45:53 <polz> that was after the pin had been accepted
Jan 13 09:47:57 <tordo> mrmoku: are those ultraunstable images autogenerated, or are you just ubereffective?
Jan 13 09:48:00 <polz> unfortunately, I can't get you the whole ophonekitd.log and frameworkd.log because I've left them back home
Jan 13 09:48:10 <polz> Ainulindale: so, who should I file this bug with?
Jan 13 09:49:06 <mrmoku> tordo: right now it's Ainulindale building ultraunstable stuff :-)
Jan 13 09:49:26 <polz> oh, and are all the encodings really neccessary for python?
Jan 13 09:49:26 <tordo> :)
Jan 13 09:49:32 <mrmoku> SHR is manually handtuned ;)
Jan 13 09:49:39 <polz> couldn't we get by just with utf8?
Jan 13 09:49:56 <tordo> nice marketing slogan
Jan 13 09:50:17 <Ainulindale> polz: that may be a problem with the muxer
Jan 13 09:50:22 <Ainulindale> There was a problem with that
Jan 13 09:50:26 <tordo> "handcrafted by hard-working uh.... yeah, whatever"
Jan 13 09:50:32 <Ainulindale> polz: please give me the log asap
Jan 13 09:50:45 <Ainulindale> polz: file this bug on the frameworkd part
Jan 13 09:51:05 <Ainulindale> polz: no idea, about the encodings
Jan 13 09:51:10 <Ainulindale> If you are able to test, keep me in touch
Jan 13 09:51:33 <polz> test what?
Jan 13 09:52:52 <Ainulindale> removing locales
Jan 13 09:56:21 <polz> Ainulindale: well, you seem to have achieved that already. Yesterday, I tried removing the locals which seemed unneccessary, and only got about 0.5M of savings
Jan 13 09:56:33 <polz> so all glory to Ainulindale!
Jan 13 09:56:55 <Ainulindale> Heh
Jan 13 09:56:58 <Ainulindale> That wasn't me anyway
Jan 13 09:57:23 <polz> I'm talking about the encodings directory in /usr/lib/python2.5/encodings
Jan 13 09:57:37 <polz> oh, then all glory to *insert name here*!
Jan 13 10:14:07 * tordo boots the new ultraunstable
Jan 13 10:15:11 <Ainulindale> tordo: don't
Jan 13 10:15:17 <Ainulindale> tordo: it won't work
Jan 13 10:15:23 <mrmoku> and will eat kittens
Jan 13 10:15:24 <Ainulindale> (possibly)
Jan 13 10:16:35 <mrmoku> yeah... no promisses... but it might happen ;)
Jan 13 10:17:38 <tordo> Ainulindale: it didn't
Jan 13 10:18:07 <tordo> :D
Jan 13 10:19:36 <tordo> maybe it's time to wimp out and go regular unstable
Jan 13 10:22:46 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: looks much better now :-)
Jan 13 10:33:26 <Ainulindale> Nice :-)
Jan 13 10:33:46 <mrmoku> installing right now... lets see :-)
Jan 13 10:34:10 <mrmoku> still lots of locales though... another problem to solve ;)
Jan 13 10:48:22 <mirko> raster: hey
Jan 13 10:49:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw. how is your gta02... still alive after the crash?
Jan 13 10:49:15 <mirko> i compiled e17 / illume myself without OE - can you tell how do i now get some fancy icons on my illume-desktop? :)
Jan 13 10:50:22 <mirko> it's totally empty - even when i'm putting some *.desktop-files in /usr/share/applications/
Jan 13 10:50:38 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yes
Jan 13 10:50:48 <mrmoku> fine...
Jan 13 10:51:08 <Ainulindale> Indeed
Jan 13 11:09:46 <morphis> heyho
Jan 13 13:28:18 <Ainulindale> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM <= hahaha =)
Jan 13 13:34:07 <Ainulindale> Well a nice piece of artwork is being done as we speak for SHR
Jan 13 13:34:18 <Ainulindale> Poor, poor artist, he's being bugged by me =)
Jan 13 13:36:38 <mrmoku_> Ainulindale: openmokos installed with SHR fighting Iphones?
Jan 13 13:36:51 <Hire> i...
Jan 13 13:36:53 <Hire> ip....
Jan 13 13:36:57 <Hire> iph...
Jan 13 13:37:00 <Hire> iphones??
Jan 13 13:37:24 <bumbl> bah
Jan 13 13:37:26 <bumbl> mac wins
Jan 13 13:37:29 <bumbl> not realistic
Jan 13 13:39:38 <mrmoku_> Ainulindale: I thought sending messages segfaults because of mixed up EFL_SRCREVs... not so :(
Jan 13 13:39:56 <Ainulindale> heh =)
Jan 13 13:40:53 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: detached you again... I think ;)
Jan 13 13:41:10 <mrmoku> I'm doing screen -S mok -DR
Jan 13 13:41:46 * mrmoku is going to search for a decent screen manual
Jan 13 13:43:18 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 13 13:47:44 <bumbl> Ainulindale: who does a new artwork?
Jan 13 13:58:39 <Ainulindale> That'll stay a mystery until release
Jan 13 13:58:46 <Hire> indeed
Jan 13 13:59:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what is the disadvantage of not detaching before reattaching a screen session?
Jan 13 13:59:58 <bumbl> mrmoku: normally non
Jan 13 14:00:03 <bumbl> e
Jan 13 14:00:16 <bumbl> s/none/no disadvantage/
Jan 13 14:00:28 <mrmoku> ok will drop the D then...
Jan 13 14:02:08 <mrmoku> what time is it in sidney?
Jan 13 14:03:02 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: you need to detach it if it's already attached elsewhere
Jan 13 14:04:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: like when overtaking an open session from another terminal?
Jan 13 14:04:54 <Hire> i don't get why
Jan 13 14:05:11 <Hire> i can't understand why jimi hendrix is famouse
Jan 13 14:05:13 <Hire> *famous
Jan 13 14:05:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yes
Jan 13 14:05:22 <Ainulindale> Hire: because he's good?
Jan 13 14:05:43 <Hire> he is good as guitarist
Jan 13 14:05:44 <Ainulindale> listen to purple haze
Jan 13 14:05:50 <mrmoku> raster: http://pastebin.com/m599d3969
Jan 13 14:05:50 <Hire> but as songwriter... errh
Jan 13 14:05:59 <Hire> i don't like at all
Jan 13 14:06:25 <Hire> i like only foxey lady and purple haze :/
Jan 13 14:06:37 <Hire> but I can't understand why he is a "genius"
Jan 13 14:07:05 <Ainulindale> because he had another way altogether to play the electric guitar
Jan 13 14:07:12 <Ainulindale> it's pretty much the same as Jaco Pastorius for the bass
Jan 13 14:07:58 <bumbl> Ainulindale: what do you say to the idea to mount /dev/µsd1 at /home and not /media/card =
Jan 13 14:08:01 <bumbl> ?
Jan 13 14:08:06 <Hire> yeah, he is very good with an unique way to play the guitar ( as tom morello ) but only for this
Jan 13 14:08:11 <Ainulindale> I'd say it's a bad idea bumbl 
Jan 13 14:08:16 <Ainulindale> Some of us don't have a card
Jan 13 14:08:32 <Ainulindale> Hire: it depends on what you like anyway
Jan 13 14:08:40 <Ainulindale> I'm a huge fan of Zappa & Robert Fripp
Jan 13 14:08:47 <Ainulindale> And I personally think they're geniuses
Jan 13 14:08:57 <bumbl> Ainulindale: one could create the dir /home/root on nand and mount /dev/µsd1 at /home when available
Jan 13 14:09:05 <Hire> I like zappa
Jan 13 14:09:16 <Hire> he is very very very good songwriter as nick cave
Jan 13 14:09:26 <Ainulindale> Composer, more than songwriter
Jan 13 14:09:31 <Ainulindale> Listen to The Grand Wazoo
Jan 13 14:09:37 <Ainulindale> Or Waka/Jawaka
Jan 13 14:10:08 <Ainulindale> bumbl: well it'll generate conflicts if you remove the sd while running
Jan 13 14:10:30 <Ainulindale> Hire: specifically "Big Swifty"
Jan 13 14:10:35 <Ainulindale> From Waka/Jawaka the album
Jan 13 14:10:45 <Hire> waka jasawa..
Jan 13 14:10:49 <Hire> i don't have that album
Jan 13 14:11:04 <Ainulindale> Hire: http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/Julien_Ainulindale/
Jan 13 14:11:07 <Hire> this is bad, very bad
Jan 13 14:11:16 <Ainulindale> See how many zappa I have
Jan 13 14:11:36 <bumbl> Ainulindale: which is not easily possible to do on the freerunner
Jan 13 14:11:57 <Ainulindale> bumbl: which is possible nonetheless
Jan 13 14:12:04 <bumbl> and even worse on the neo1973
Jan 13 14:12:07 <Ainulindale> I know what you mean to do
Jan 13 14:12:16 <Ainulindale> I just think there must be a better solution
Jan 13 14:12:59 <Hire> ahah le orme
Jan 13 14:13:12 <Ainulindale> What? :-)
Jan 13 14:13:24 <Ainulindale> I think it's on my wishlist, I don't own it
Jan 13 14:14:01 <Hire> do you haven't find them?
Jan 13 14:14:18 <Ainulindale> Yes, but there were too expensives
Jan 13 14:14:19 <Ainulindale> -s
Jan 13 14:14:28 <Hire> vinile or cd?
Jan 13 14:14:31 <Hire> argh
Jan 13 14:14:32 <Hire> vinyl
Jan 13 14:14:56 <Ainulindale> CD
Jan 13 14:15:01 <Hire> this is weird... here I can find le orme cds for 2-3 E
Jan 13 14:15:13 <Ainulindale> An average french CD is 15 euros
Jan 13 14:15:16 <Ainulindale> It's way too expensive
Jan 13 14:15:21 <Ainulindale> I buy them using amazon marketplace
Jan 13 14:15:33 <Ainulindale> It costs approximatively 4-5 euros plus shipping
Jan 13 14:15:42 <Hire> well
Jan 13 14:15:47 <Hire> I can find somewhat here
Jan 13 14:16:18 <Hire> *something
Jan 13 14:18:30 <Hire> what do you want from le orme?
Jan 13 14:32:14 * mrmoku is looking if e has some nice updates 
Jan 13 14:33:57 <alphaone> mickeyl: ping
Jan 13 14:34:09 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r45cbd2739234 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add a simple GSM cell monitor
Jan 13 14:34:56 <mickeyl> alphaone: poing
Jan 13 14:35:02 <mickeyl> shoragan: yay!
Jan 13 14:36:24 <alphaone> mickeyl: I have started in making the SMS stuff more fault tolerant.
Jan 13 14:36:55 <mickeyl> alphaone: securing against faults done by whom?
Jan 13 14:37:01 <mickeyl> [please don't say parser]
Jan 13 14:37:24 <alphaone> Among other things, yes
Jan 13 14:37:30 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 13 14:37:32 <alphaone> But mostly against broken SMS
Jan 13 14:37:49 <mickeyl> i'm fine until it does not hide bugs below
Jan 13 14:38:04 <shoragan> mickeyl, what's the maximum rxlev?
Jan 13 14:38:08 <alphaone> mickeyl: See http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/314
Jan 13 14:38:42 <mickeyl> shoragan: i didn't came to it, please change all rxlev in ogsmd
Jan 13 14:38:47 <alphaone> Anyway, as a result and because we can't send an answer to a dbus call and a dbus error I have started adding the "error" keyword in the dbus properties.
Jan 13 14:39:06 <shoragan> mickeyl, to what?
Jan 13 14:39:19 <mickeyl> shoragan: if you open the PDF, you'll see the legend
Jan 13 14:39:28 <mickeyl> i was meaning to change all rxlev to our percentage
Jan 13 14:39:36 <alphaone> I'm not satisfied with that solution, but I don't know how else to deal with that.
Jan 13 14:39:37 <mickeyl> same way as we do with signal quality 
Jan 13 14:39:37 <shoragan> hmm
Jan 13 14:39:45 <mickeyl> the legend is something lieke +2/2
Jan 13 14:39:55 <mickeyl> and then you need to apply signalStrengthToPercentage
Jan 13 14:40:03 <mickeyl> then the values are comparable and nicely scaled to 0-100
Jan 13 14:40:25 <mickeyl> alphaone: i was tinkering with the parser in e6a8e8105ddc598de64d2b0c4b6feeeabe07fa5c
Jan 13 14:40:36 <alphaone> So whenever SMS PDU parsing fails for some reason it will include the error property with a list of strings indicating what went wrong.
Jan 13 14:40:37 <mickeyl> I'll inspect the logs
Jan 13 14:40:51 <mickeyl> alphaone: [error keyword] yes, that's a good strategy anyways
Jan 13 14:40:52 <alphaone> Like error decoding userdata
Jan 13 14:41:35 <alphaone> okay, just wanted to make sure that's in line with the overall idea
Jan 13 14:41:52 <shoragan> mickeyl, does that also apply to c1 and c2? they seem to relate to rxlev
Jan 13 14:41:53 <mickeyl> phone call, bbiab
Jan 13 14:42:18 <shoragan> i think i'll keep the raw data for now until we understand it better
Jan 13 14:42:23 <mickeyl> ok, np
Jan 13 14:51:21 <AntonTakk> any of you know how to keep an app window from shrinking to an unusable size when you swallow an elm layout containing an edje group into another edje group that is also in an elm layout?
Jan 13 15:02:16 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd9d0a80e5444 10/src/zhone: display some more info in the GSM monitor
Jan 13 15:37:58 <tordo> why oh WHY didn't i read eina_list.h right away instead of wasting this long hunting a stupid bug :(
Jan 13 15:51:59 <mrmoku> tordo: you found the new SMS segfault?
Jan 13 15:53:22 <tordo> no, it was just the wlan thingy i'm writing to learn this shizzle
Jan 13 15:54:29 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what should one do if an OE update brings a new version of openssl-native that does not compile and as a consequence git-native does not work anymore?
Jan 13 15:54:33 <mrmoku> damn crap :(
Jan 13 15:55:46 <tordo> sit down, think long and hard, think a bit more, even until you get bored of thinking. Then fix it.
Jan 13 15:56:21 <mrmoku> hehe, could also switch off all autorevs... problem is I'm lazy ;)
Jan 13 15:56:44 <tordo> so am i
Jan 13 15:56:53 <tordo> which is why i have postponed my dishes until now
Jan 13 15:56:53 <tordo> bbl
Jan 13 15:57:23 <mrmoku> uhh... for that we have Mr Miele :P
Jan 13 17:23:08 <kuzgun> hi
Jan 13 17:23:56 <kuzgun> I get an error when I want to build shr (shr-testing) with makefile, http://pastebin.com/d42fa4850 any idea?
Jan 13 17:27:01 <mrmoku> kuzgun: you're not the only one... don't have an idea thought what could be the cause of that :(
Jan 13 17:27:06 <mrmoku> -t
Jan 13 17:28:33 <kuzgun> bad news, so how can I build an image? Other than just waiting?
Jan 13 17:30:48 <mrmoku> if I only knew... interesting is that it seems to be allways the same object (d3b1136d29f88fa7bfcbedb6a195724e071cad77) that is causing problems
Jan 13 17:31:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: could you call 'git gc' in the shr repo to see if it fixes that problem?
Jan 13 17:31:58 <mrmoku> don't think though... because somebody else could clone just nice... but when cloning while building the image it did bail out with exactly that error...
Jan 13 17:39:07 <mrmoku> interesting is that that object does not even exist... hmmm. And if I clone it via http it works just nice.
Jan 13 17:39:16 <mrmoku> kuzgun: do you use some proxy?
Jan 13 17:39:34 <kuzgun> no
Jan 13 17:40:10 <mrmoku> if you do 'git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git' in a temp dir... does that work?
Jan 13 17:40:29 <kuzgun> wait please, I did not try it
Jan 13 17:40:47 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 13 17:43:34 <kuzgun> it works
Jan 13 17:43:42 <elektranox> illume's launcher is supposed to read *.desktop files from "/usr/share/applications/", isn't it?
Jan 13 17:51:01 <mrmoku> elektranox: yep
Jan 13 17:52:42 <mrmoku> kuzgun: could you try if building shr-unstable gets past that?
Jan 13 17:52:55 <mrmoku> I'm away for about half an hour...
Jan 13 17:54:00 <kuzgun> mrmoku: this error does not occur while building unstable
Jan 13 17:54:11 <kuzgun> only in testing (not tested milestone)
Jan 13 17:54:39 <johnsu01> elektranox: yes, but in my experience it only shows things that have certain categories
Jan 13 17:55:54 <elektranox> johnsu01: ic
Jan 13 17:56:09 <elektranox> any categorie, which is known to be shown?
Jan 13 17:56:51 <johnsu01> elektranox: It seems a little buggy (and I hear some of these bugs may now be fixed), but adding the Utility category has helped me
Jan 13 17:57:01 <johnsu01> that's how I got TangoGPS to show up, at least
Jan 13 17:57:35 <elektranox> k, thx
Jan 13 18:22:36 <mrmoku> kuzgun: found it... so damn stupid....
Jan 13 18:23:02 <mrmoku> in shr/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc
Jan 13 18:23:24 <mrmoku> you will find that d3b1136d29f88fa7bfcbedb6a195724e071cad77 as revision set for libframeworkd-phonegui
Jan 13 18:23:49 <mrmoku> replace it with the one from libframeworkd-phonegui-efl one line above and it should work
Jan 13 18:41:04 <kuzgun> thanks mrmoku, fix  works
Jan 13 19:09:30 <Dave> Blueslee :)
Jan 13 19:09:43 <BluesLee> Dave!
Jan 13 19:10:43 <BluesLee> whats going on here, ultraunstable images ... whats next, apocalypse?;-)
Jan 13 19:10:58 <mrmoku> BluesLee: worlddomination :p
Jan 13 19:11:04 <BluesLee> hehe
Jan 13 19:13:12 <Hire> what has the ultraunstable?
Jan 13 19:14:32 <BluesLee> new kernel
Jan 13 19:14:37 <mrmoku> Hire: less stability than unstable of course ;)
Jan 13 19:15:25 <Hire> well
Jan 13 19:15:29 <Hire> i know that
Jan 13 19:15:57 <mrmoku> Hire: it is the attempt to get the bunch of stuff that changed the last days in shape to have a new unstable image
Jan 13 19:16:24 <mrmoku> we've got the new kernel and current frameworkd and need to sort that out
Jan 13 19:22:50 <Dave> :D
Jan 13 19:23:08 <toggles_w> Dave: !!
Jan 13 19:24:28 <Dave> Yes, hello toggles :P
Jan 13 19:25:02 <toggles_w> Dave: !!
Jan 13 19:25:08 <Dave> Chill out :)
Jan 13 19:25:18 * Dave graces Toggles with his presence
Jan 13 19:28:53 * bumbl sends toggles_w some snow
Jan 13 19:29:43 * bumbl expects kangaroos
Jan 13 19:29:49 <bumbl> *delicious*
Jan 13 19:30:29 <bumbl> mrmoku: how stable is ultraunstable?
Jan 13 19:30:35 * toggles_w hands bumbl a kangaroo wing
Jan 13 19:30:40 <bumbl> worth flashing?
Jan 13 19:31:01 <Dave> :)
Jan 13 19:31:12 <bumbl> now i just need Ainulindale who can cook that thing for me :P
Jan 13 19:33:43 <mrmoku> bumbl: if you don't have to write SMS...
Jan 13 19:34:01 <bumbl> what's wrong with sms
Jan 13 19:34:11 <bumbl> i thought alphaone fixed that
Jan 13 19:34:22 <mrmoku> new sms segfaults... not the framework part
Jan 13 19:34:26 <bumbl> and i need sms
Jan 13 19:34:29 <bumbl> :(
Jan 13 19:34:32 <mrmoku> you tap the new button and BOOM
Jan 13 19:34:37 <bumbl> hehe
Jan 13 19:35:50 <Dave> SIGBOOM?
Jan 13 19:36:41 <mrmoku> Dave: no BOOM BANG BOOM
Jan 13 19:36:47 <mrmoku> not a signal
Jan 13 19:36:58 <mrmoku> incapacity
Jan 13 19:37:10 <Dave> :p
Jan 13 20:07:10 <admiral0> hi
Jan 13 20:07:16 <admiral0> anyone with shrultraunstable here?
Jan 13 20:07:55 <sicu> it's supposedly rather unstable :p
Jan 13 20:09:35 <Slyon> admiral0, i've tried it today. it's the change to linux 2.6.28. but i didn't get gsm, so i'm back at shr-unstable
Jan 13 20:10:13 <mirko> is anyone here who's familiar with the yaml part of the fso framework?
Jan 13 20:10:36 <mrmoku> Slyon: which one did you try?
Jan 13 20:10:47 <bumbl> mirko: mickeyl is
Jan 13 20:11:22 <mirko> mickeyl: ping :)
Jan 13 20:11:27 <mirko> bumbl: thanks
Jan 13 20:11:45 <Slyon> mrmoku, openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090112-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Jan 13 20:14:48 <mrmoku> Slyon: what time was it you downloaded?
Jan 13 20:15:17 <mrmoku> anyway... not yet recommended to use ultraunstable ;)
Jan 13 20:15:38 <mrmoku> there was a problem with /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/networks.tab not being installed
Jan 13 20:15:46 <mrmoku> which caused gsm not to come up...
Jan 13 20:15:51 <mrmoku> that is fixed though
Jan 13 20:15:52 <bumbl> haha
Jan 13 20:16:12 <mrmoku> bumbl: why are you laughing ;)
Jan 13 20:16:29 <bumbl> that sentence should be eternalised
Jan 13 20:16:38 <bumbl> 21:15 < mrmoku> anyway... not yet recommended to use ultraunstable
Jan 13 20:16:46 <Slyon> mrmoku, ah okay thx. i saw the new dir. and had to try it =)... but i'll stay at unstable for now
Jan 13 20:16:58 <admiral0> me too
Jan 13 20:17:02 <mirko> i was told this topic was discussed more than once but i don't find any information: what's the reason why the libc is loaded via ctypes into python?
Jan 13 20:17:20 <mrmoku> bumbl: :-)
Jan 13 20:17:25 <mirko> to avoid confusion: this question is not related to my PyYAML-problem :)
Jan 13 20:18:48 <Dave> pyyaml?
Jan 13 20:18:49 <mrmoku> bumbl: maybe I should rename it to kitteneater... just to make things clear
Jan 13 20:18:57 <admiral0> ahahaha
Jan 13 20:18:59 <Dave> could it get even more failicious than that? :D
Jan 13 20:19:06 <Dave> meow?
Jan 13 20:19:18 <mrmoku> Dave: what about davespanker ;)
Jan 13 20:19:23 <Dave> :o
Jan 13 20:19:27 <Dave> noooooooooooooo
Jan 13 20:19:32 <Dave> How dare you!
Jan 13 20:19:45 <mrmoku> so lets keep it with ultraunstable.. for now :D
Jan 13 20:21:59 <Dave> :D
Jan 13 20:22:07 <Dave> why not call it nitro?
Jan 13 20:22:15 <Dave> nitroglycerin :p
Jan 13 20:22:21 <Dave> since it too, is highly unstable :P
Jan 13 20:22:24 <Dave> or just call it raster
Jan 13 20:22:30 <Dave> he is similarly highly unstable XD
Jan 13 20:22:34 <mrmoku> hehe, that would be nice though :-)
Jan 13 20:23:04 <mrmoku> actually I'm waiting for the day to call it rocksolid... that is still a long way though :(
Jan 13 20:23:12 <Dave> Yeah :(
Jan 13 20:24:14 <bumbl> rocksolid = om2015
Jan 13 20:24:45 <mrmoku> bumbl: we can do better then that.. i hope :-)
Jan 13 20:24:59 <mrmoku> -e+a
Jan 13 20:25:14 <Dave> :D
Jan 13 20:25:19 <Dave> go moko, go!
Jan 13 20:25:22 <bumbl> mrmoku: you can
Jan 13 20:25:29 <mrmoku> WE can
Jan 13 20:25:30 * Dave cheers for mrmoku
Jan 13 20:25:31 <bumbl> but you have to rely on external resources
Jan 13 20:25:37 <Dave> Mrmoku, lead us to salvation.
Jan 13 20:25:37 <bumbl> Yes we can
Jan 13 20:25:41 <bumbl> Change
Jan 13 20:25:42 <bumbl> Change
Jan 13 20:25:44 <bumbl> Yes we can
Jan 13 20:25:46 <Dave> hahahahahah you sound like Obama now, Bumble.
Jan 13 20:25:50 <Dave> HAHAHAHAHAHA
Jan 13 20:25:57 <Dave> Someone should set Obama up the Freerunner!
Jan 13 20:26:10 <Dave> I just hope it doesn't bring down our country in the meantime ;)
Jan 13 20:26:29 <Hire> mrmoku
Jan 13 20:26:33 <Hire> i need a help
Jan 13 20:26:37 <Hire> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260346058300&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=260346222394&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4
Jan 13 20:26:38 <Dave> :P
Jan 13 20:26:38 <bumbl> Dave: can't be worse than now
Jan 13 20:26:47 <Hire> someone that knows the german
Jan 13 20:26:57 <Dave> bumble D:
Jan 13 20:27:04 <Hire> can tell me if in that page him sells a seal?
Jan 13 20:27:30 <bumbl> it sells screws
Jan 13 20:27:40 <bumbl> Hallo Ebayer,
Jan 13 20:27:41 <bumbl> Sie bieten hier auf eine Schraube.
Jan 13 20:27:42 <Hire> only?
Jan 13 20:27:43 <bumbl> means
Jan 13 20:27:46 <bumbl> no
Jan 13 20:27:52 <Dave> haha
Jan 13 20:27:52 <bumbl> reading further
Jan 13 20:27:59 <Dave> go bumble go!
Jan 13 20:28:10 <Dave> Reveal the truth to us!
Jan 13 20:28:24 <Hire> i want to know what stand motoren getriebe achsen and others
Jan 13 20:28:33 <Hire> i need a seal for the 75
Jan 13 20:28:57 <bumbl> they don't write about seals
Jan 13 20:29:09 <bumbl> but they say that they can sell anything you need
Jan 13 20:29:14 * sicu already finds the FR to be bricksolid
Jan 13 20:29:19 <bumbl> you just have to ask him
Jan 13 20:29:31 <bumbl> sicu: a brick is always bricksolid
Jan 13 20:29:40 * Dave bricks sicu
Jan 13 20:30:08 <Hire> bumbl
Jan 13 20:30:10 <Hire> please
Jan 13 20:30:11 <sicu> Dave: no change needed ;p
Jan 13 20:30:27 <Hire> can you write a text in german? :)
Jan 13 20:30:46 <Dave> Beware the Germans.
Jan 13 20:30:58 <Hire> i want to know if him sell the seal for the roof for an alfa 75
Jan 13 20:31:21 <Hire> wait
Jan 13 20:32:04 <sicu> *everybody waits in tense anticipation
Jan 13 20:32:07 <bumbl> Hire: or at least they say they have any of those for sure: engines, gears, axis, chasis, speedometer, lights, interior decoration, parts of oldtimers
Jan 13 20:32:16 <bumbl> Hire: Yes I can
Jan 13 20:32:20 <Hire> seal for the roof, handle door and trunk
Jan 13 20:32:33 <Dave> What the hell are you buying? a car?
Jan 13 20:32:52 <Hire> no, I have a 75 and i need some parts 
Jan 13 20:33:01 <sicu> he's building one from scratch
Jan 13 20:33:11 <Hire> a sort of :D
Jan 13 20:33:12 <sicu> lego?
Jan 13 20:33:13 <bumbl> Hire: they should understand basic english though
Jan 13 20:33:22 <bumbl> one has to learn that even in germany
Jan 13 20:33:48 <Hire> are you german? :o
Jan 13 20:33:49 <bumbl> no
Jan 13 20:33:50 <Dave> haha what!? :D
Jan 13 20:33:57 <Hire> arrrhhh
Jan 13 20:34:10 * bumbl is from the country between italy and germany
Jan 13 20:34:23 <Dave> I summon the Joerg!
Jan 13 20:34:23 <Dave> Bumble, I was not aware such a country existed :p
Jan 13 20:34:31 <sicu> there's a country there ??? o_O
Jan 13 20:34:36 <Dave> rofl :D
Jan 13 20:34:37 <sicu> haha dave
Jan 13 20:34:37 <Hire> chan
Jan 13 20:34:41 <Hire> I NEED A GERMAN BOY
Jan 13 20:34:57 <bumbl> mrmoku lives in munich
Jan 13 20:35:00 * sicu covers his eyes
Jan 13 20:35:21 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: dont call my name in vain!
Jan 13 20:35:26 * mrmoku hides
Jan 13 20:35:54 <sicu> aww ... mrmoku, don't run, hire is in dire in of a german boy ;p
Jan 13 20:35:57 <bumbl> but I can promise that i can speak and write german even if i am austrian (like the americans think they can speak and write english :p)
Jan 13 20:36:18 * bumbl hides too
Jan 13 20:36:29 <Dave> :D
Jan 13 20:36:32 <Dave> BEHOLD
Jan 13 20:36:56 * sicu is not german, but decides to hide too
Jan 13 20:36:56 <toggles_w> Dave: !!
Jan 13 20:37:05 * Dave blinds toggles with his power
Jan 13 20:37:17 <bumbl> Dave in rage
Jan 13 20:37:17 <Hire> (21:35:58) Hire: i need to know if a sellers sells ( tricky words ) 
Jan 13 20:37:17 <Hire> (21:36:21) Hire: seal for the roof, handle door and trunk for an alfa 75 :D
Jan 13 20:37:24 * toggles_w cowers in terror
Jan 13 20:38:06 <Hire> mrmoku or raster or DocScrutinizer2
Jan 13 20:38:13 <DocScrutinizer2> what's up??????
Jan 13 20:38:58 <sicu> Hire: why don't you just email the seller in english ... i'm sure he'd understand your questions ...
Jan 13 20:39:42 <Hire> no
Jan 13 20:39:48 <Hire> him talks only german :/
Jan 13 20:39:54 <DocScrutinizer2> raster lives in australia, so what t f r u talking bout?
Jan 13 20:40:09 <Dave> HI JOERG
Jan 13 20:40:17 <Dave> We required the presence of a german!
Jan 13 20:40:18 <DocScrutinizer2> gnnnn
Jan 13 20:40:25 <Hire> raster talks german
Jan 13 20:40:25 <Dave> Naturally, I summoned the best one I know ;)
Jan 13 20:40:38 <mrmoku> Hire: you already tried I guess
Jan 13 20:40:44 <Hire> because his father is german
Jan 13 20:40:49 <Hire> yes..
Jan 13 20:40:51 <bumbl> Hire: http://rafb.net/p/rn5FQZ57.html
Jan 13 20:42:25 <Hire> do you have put into that text  seal for the roof, handle door and trunk for an alfa 75? 
Jan 13 20:42:27 <Hire> arrrrr
Jan 13 20:42:43 <mrmoku> Hire: yep, he did
Jan 13 20:42:52 <bumbl> Hire: http://rafb.net/p/rn5FQZ57.html
Jan 13 20:43:14 <Hire> is correct?
Jan 13 20:43:41 <bumbl> i would say so
Jan 13 20:44:09 <bumbl> just to be correct
Jan 13 20:44:22 <bumbl> do you need the seals for the door or only for the door handle cup
Jan 13 20:46:31 <Dave> Dude, what IS going on here?
Jan 13 20:46:40 <Dave> Hire is making a crappy car or something?
Jan 13 20:46:51 <Dave> I seriously hope he doesn't plan on running it on Openmoko :D
Jan 13 20:46:58 <Hire> CRAPPY?!?!?
Jan 13 20:46:58 <Hire> ehi
Jan 13 20:47:02 <Hire> i have an alfa 75
Jan 13 20:47:06 <bumbl> it's a fiat
Jan 13 20:47:09 <Dave> sounds like a salad
Jan 13 20:47:34 <admiral0> Dave lol
Jan 13 20:47:35 <Dave> Hire, what's wrong with it? Are you repairing it? :)
Jan 13 20:47:49 <Dave> COMMENCE PLAN ALFA 75
Jan 13 20:48:02 <Dave> or sounds like a battle plan from star trek or something
Jan 13 20:48:04 <Hire> yes
Jan 13 20:48:09 <Hire> it has 20 years
Jan 13 20:48:09 <Dave> evasive action alfa 75
Jan 13 20:48:12 <Dave> Hire, wow
Jan 13 20:48:13 <Hire> so it is a bit old 
Jan 13 20:48:16 <Dave> Does it look good?
Jan 13 20:48:22 <Hire> sure it is :)
Jan 13 20:48:27 <Hire> i love that car
Jan 13 20:48:30 <Dave> :D
Jan 13 20:48:35 <Dave> cool
Jan 13 20:48:39 <Hire> if I can I want to make sex with her
Jan 13 20:48:44 <Dave> o_o
Jan 13 20:48:51 <Dave> how erotic
Jan 13 20:49:14 <mrmoku> Hire: is that the reason you need new seals?
Jan 13 20:49:28 <zem_> hi
Jan 13 20:49:29 <bumbl_> you want to make sex with the car?
Jan 13 20:49:37 <bumbl_> or have I misunderstood something
Jan 13 20:49:44 <bumbl_> bloody connection problems
Jan 13 20:49:46 <sicu> beware of the rust
Jan 13 20:49:51 <bumbl_> ping >50s suck
Jan 13 20:49:56 <Hire> bumbl_ you are right
Jan 13 20:50:39 <sicu> Hire: i would get a tetanus shot just to be on the safe side
Jan 13 20:50:43 <bumbl_> i can understand the "in the car" but not the "with the car" :p
Jan 13 20:51:08 <bumbl_> (in the car involves some kind of female in it too=
Jan 13 20:51:09 <bumbl_> =
Jan 13 20:51:09 <bumbl_> =
Jan 13 20:51:11 <bumbl_> )
Jan 13 20:51:38 <Hire> WITH the car
Jan 13 20:51:45 <sicu> Hire: do you have a horse for this carriage too ?
Jan 13 20:51:53 <Hire> a female doesn't give to me the same emoction of a 75
Jan 13 20:52:09 <sicu> carsickness ?
Jan 13 20:52:39 <bumbl_> hmm well
Jan 13 20:52:45 <bumbl_> we live in free world
Jan 13 20:52:51 <Dave> SINCE WHEN?
Jan 13 20:53:00 <mrmoku> bumbl_: you, but not hire... he lives in italy
Jan 13 20:53:10 <bumbl_> anyone can do anything with anyone and anything he/she/it wants
Jan 13 20:53:25 * sicu goes back to windows, having seen what the free world brings
Jan 13 20:53:45 * bumbl_ slaps sicu for saying that dirty word
Jan 13 20:53:46 <bumbl_> :
Jan 13 20:53:48 <bumbl_> p
Jan 13 20:54:10 <sicu> hey, freedom of speech :p
Jan 13 20:54:25 <Hire> and
Jan 13 20:54:26 <Hire> however
Jan 13 20:54:27 <Hire> dudes
Jan 13 20:54:29 <Hire> THIS
Jan 13 20:54:29 <Hire> http://alfaclub.lu/GRAPHICS/alfa752_gal.JPG
Jan 13 20:54:31 <Hire> is my car
Jan 13 20:54:34 <zem_> Does one of you know how to load my contacts into shr contact manager? 
Jan 13 20:54:36 <Hire> and is the Car
Jan 13 20:54:39 <bumbl_> sicu: freedom of actions
Jan 13 20:55:20 <bumbl_> Hire: it looks like any other italian car 
Jan 13 20:55:43 <Slyon> i'm trying to install python-elementary on my laptop, but i get this error: http://rafb.net/p/33Sbfn18.html does somebody know what i have to do?
Jan 13 20:55:46 <mrmoku> zem_: there is no import (yet)
Jan 13 20:56:44 <zem_> Hire: which distro is it running? 
Jan 13 20:57:02 <mrmoku> zem_: his car?
Jan 13 20:57:06 <Dave> :o
Jan 13 20:57:10 <Hire> bumbl_: AHHHHHHHHH shame on you !
Jan 13 20:57:15 <zem_> mrmoku: yes, the car 
Jan 13 20:57:36 <Slyon> zem_, you mean me? -- archlinux
Jan 13 20:57:57 <Dave> Hire: sexy
Jan 13 20:58:44 <zem_> mrmoku: hmmm, the import thing sounds bad, do you know how the data is stored by the contacts manager? 
Jan 13 20:58:45 <sicu> Dave: nah, sexy == the DeLorean DMC-12
Jan 13 20:59:17 <sicu> zem_: the contacts are storen on the SIM
Jan 13 20:59:35 <sicu> for now, until we get pim
Jan 13 21:01:21 <Alinermedia> http://www.delorean.com/newbuild.asp
Jan 13 21:01:26 <zem_> sicu: oh, ic the problem 
Jan 13 21:02:09 <sicu> Alinermedia: ah, nice =]
Jan 13 21:02:43 <bumbl_> zem_: http://www.microsoft.com/auto/default.mspx
Jan 13 21:02:44 <zem_> what is with GPEs pim? (yes I had never test it) 
Jan 13 21:03:40 <bumbl_> zem_: gpe pim is not compatible with fso
Jan 13 21:03:42 <Alinermedia> sicu: You should see the used sale!
Jan 13 21:04:23 <Alinermedia> http://www.delorean.com/preowned.asp
Jan 13 21:04:39 <mrmoku> zem_: what format do you have your contacts in? you could write a script to import them...
Jan 13 21:04:57 <zem_> mrmoku: vcard 
Jan 13 21:04:58 <Alinermedia> I used to see one everyday on my way to work
Jan 13 21:05:56 <zem_> mrmoku: I thought about a script, too 
Jan 13 21:06:06 <mrmoku> there is a dbus interface and a cli tool...
Jan 13 21:06:35 <mrmoku> zem_: dbus api is here: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD
Jan 13 21:06:47 <sicu> Alinermedia: i've seen a few of them around too, not sure i'd want to own one though
Jan 13 21:07:06 <bumbl_> hmm bye
Jan 13 21:07:14 <Alinermedia> they sell around 20k
Jan 13 21:09:19 <mrmoku> raster: ping
Jan 13 21:11:36 <Hire> see ya
Jan 13 21:12:01 <zem_> mrmoku: yea, I have seen the api. when I probed out the other things on shr I will write a script 
Jan 13 21:12:41 <mrmoku> zem_: good... let us know your results. Could be interesting for others too :-)
Jan 13 21:13:03 <zem_> but first I have to maintain my Washing maschine cluster  
Jan 13 21:13:38 <sicu> washing machine cluster ?
Jan 13 21:13:54 * zem_ is sitting in a Wasching Saloon hijacking an  open Hotspot 
Jan 13 21:14:36 <sicu> hehe
Jan 13 21:14:45 <zem_> there are 10 maschines 8 of them with my clothers, ;-) 
Jan 13 21:14:57 <zem_> now the first of them is ready 
Jan 13 21:15:24 <sicu> so you do your laundry twice a year? ;p
Jan 13 21:15:39 <mrmoku> or change clothes 10 times a day :-)
Jan 13 21:15:46 <sicu> hehe
Jan 13 21:22:31 <admiral0> guys i have a issue on SHR-unstable
Jan 13 21:23:58 <admiral0> i get a PIN correct, i see strength meter ok but no service
Jan 13 21:24:12 <admiral0> and settings all unknown
Jan 13 21:25:40 <admiral0> it gives me: unknown sim error : antenna powered off or sim not unlocked yet, 77(dbus-glib-error-quark) , code 32
Jan 13 21:26:16 <admiral0> ?
Jan 13 21:38:53 <zem_> mrmoku: no, just forgot to wasch while coding ;-) 
Jan 13 21:39:08 <mrmoku> zem_: hehe, good so :-)
Jan 13 22:03:41 <sicu> admiral0: polz was having the same issue, not sure if he got anywhere with it
Jan 13 22:04:15 <polz> nope.
Jan 13 22:04:25 <polz> Ainulindale: where do I put my logs?
Jan 13 22:05:21 <polz> admiral0: I think the problem, according to Ainulindale this morning, might be in the muxer
Jan 13 22:05:36 <admiral0> too bad
Jan 13 22:05:47 <sicu> [090113-105031] <Ainulindale> polz: please give me the log asap
Jan 13 22:05:47 <sicu> [090113-105045] <Ainulindale> polz: file this bug on the frameworkd part
Jan 13 22:06:01 <sicu> polz: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/newticket
Jan 13 22:06:03 <admiral0> tell me when gsm works i'll reinstall SHR
Jan 13 22:06:12 <Dave> :o
Jan 13 22:06:52 <sicu> polz: and select frameworkd/FSO as component
Jan 13 22:07:06 <sicu> pols: and you will have to register if you havn't yet done so
Jan 13 22:10:33 <sicu> polz: and preferrably set log_level = DEBUG in /etc/frameworkd.conf and restart X (/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart)
Jan 13 22:10:55 <sicu> polz: then reproduce the error and post the logs with the ticket =]
Jan 13 22:12:22 <polz> sicu: aww, crap, that means I'd have to reflash
Jan 13 22:12:43 <polz> I know, I'm nuts, but I'm trying to use my gta01 as my daily phone
Jan 13 22:15:45 <polz> aww, crap, I've just created a duplicate
Jan 13 22:18:22 <polz> how do I mark it as a duplicate?
Jan 13 22:18:50 <mrmoku> polz: which number
Jan 13 22:19:30 <mrmoku> I think you need the rights to do that...
Jan 13 22:19:35 <polz> 253 is a duplicate of 232
Jan 13 22:19:51 <polz> my bad, I should have checked the existing tickets before submitting
Jan 13 22:20:57 <mrmoku> polz: np, closed it as duplicate
Jan 13 22:23:54 <tordo> how are the überunstable images now?
Jan 13 22:25:31 <polz> mrmoku: what changed to trigger this bug?
Jan 13 22:25:48 <zem_> cu
Jan 13 22:29:32 <w23> has anyone tried to estimate what would it take to reimplement frameworkd in c? :D
Jan 13 22:29:49 <w23> (just trying to get rid of pyhton here)
Jan 13 22:30:09 <mrmoku> polz: which one?
Jan 13 22:30:14 <tordo> who wants a phone that depends on tabs? :>
Jan 13 22:31:00 <mrmoku> tordo: I'm struggling with a segfault when sending SMS...
Jan 13 22:31:11 <tordo> k..
Jan 13 22:31:17 <mrmoku> no new update... furthermore an OE update of openssl broke building :(
Jan 13 22:31:31 <tordo> ah, right
Jan 13 22:31:41 * tordo has his simcard in another phone
Jan 13 22:31:50 <polz> mrmoku: " sim error : antenna powered off or sim not unlocked yet"
Jan 13 22:32:25 <polz> w23: we need a really working frameworkd first
Jan 13 22:32:47 <yoyo> question: gta01 need some fix for gps ? hardware modyfication??
Jan 13 22:33:00 <mrmoku> polz: I don't know, sorry...
Jan 13 22:33:09 <mrmoku> what was a working version?
Jan 13 22:33:37 <Dave> mr moku
Jan 13 22:33:44 <mrmoku> Dave :-)
Jan 13 22:33:51 <yoyo> on pyneo.org in status there is article about hanging some capacitor
Jan 13 22:33:54 <polz> yoyo: you need to install gllin
Jan 13 22:34:17 <polz> the capacitor fix only applies to gta02
Jan 13 22:37:09 * mrmoku has enough for today
Jan 13 22:37:26 <mrmoku> gnighta ll
Jan 13 22:37:29 <mrmoku> +a
Jan 13 22:37:48 <tordo> gn mrmoku 
Jan 13 22:38:51 <w23> polz: what do you mean by really working? it seems like almost everything there is quite stable, but slow as hell.
Jan 13 22:39:38 <yoyo> w23: realy :)
Jan 13 22:43:20 <polz> w23: there's a race condition in the version I'm using right now
Jan 13 22:43:42 <polz> which causes the phone to ring endlessly if the caller hangs up before ringing starts
Jan 13 22:43:57 * tordo prank calls
Jan 13 22:44:20 <w23> oh yes. well, except that. and no ussd :D
Jan 13 22:48:25 <w23> afair the reason behind using python was development speed, so fso guys would be able to quickly implement dbus interface and debug it.
Jan 13 22:49:00 <lindi-> w23: i wish there was a way to see what happens over the dbus. (dbus-monitor shows calls but not their return values)
Jan 13 22:49:07 * mickeyl nods to w23
Jan 13 22:49:47 <mickeyl> lindi-: why don't you hack libdbus?
Jan 13 22:49:56 <mickeyl> or dbus-daemon, for that matter
Jan 13 22:50:04 <mickeyl> give it a --debug mode
Jan 13 22:50:28 <lindi-> mickeyl: dbus-monitor should support return values but for some reason it doesn't work. i tried to debug it for a while and reported it to dbus mailing list
Jan 13 22:50:57 <lindi-> mickeyl: the source code has code for formatting the return values so it probably has worked sometime in the past
Jan 13 22:51:16 <lindi-> => writing a different debugging method does not sound like a good idea
Jan 13 22:51:26 <w23> lindi-: i know nothing about dbus (except it exists), so i would advise you to printf on both sides.
Jan 13 22:51:55 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Jan 13 22:52:25 <lindi-> w23: that's not very nice with a program like fso-frameworkd where you have hundreds of places that can handle dbus calls
Jan 13 22:52:37 <w23> also, what's the status of fso's dbus interface for basic stuff (gsm, gps, basic device controls..)?
Jan 13 22:53:02 <w23> lindi-: oh, i see.
Jan 13 22:54:24 <mickeyl> pretty much complete
Jan 13 22:54:27 <mickeyl> see docs.freesmartphone.org
Jan 13 22:55:06 <w23> mickeyl: ok, thanks
Jan 13 22:56:00 <w23> the problem i see here is that anyone who'd try to reimplement that interface will face the very same problems, that fso developers are deling with now.
Jan 13 22:57:40 <lindi-> mickeyl: btw, that Suspend trick with ogsmd seems to work quite well and i'm happily running only ogsmd. the only remaining issues are that i need to replace "apm -s" with "apm -s; sleep 3" to avoid some race in kernel/X on resume
Jan 13 22:57:54 <mickeyl> lindi-: glad to hear
Jan 13 22:58:13 <mickeyl> we should patch the kernel to stop touching the VT
Jan 13 22:58:17 <mickeyl> it improves the user experience and speed
Jan 13 22:58:26 <lindi-> mickeyl: any idea how 2008.12 does it?
Jan 13 22:58:29 <mickeyl> i've seen multiple manufacturer doing that
Jan 13 22:58:39 <mickeyl> no idea 'bout 2008.x
Jan 13 22:58:47 <lindi-> since 2008.12 does not show text when it resumes
Jan 13 22:58:59 <lindi-> (i finally managed to compile 2008.12 after several build failures)
Jan 13 22:59:08 <lindi-> mickeyl: ah, and the other irritating thing is ./framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py:        os.system( "ifup %s" % self.default_route )
Jan 13 22:59:16 <tordo> could it be as easy as we do it on desktops?
Jan 13 22:59:28 <tordo> chvt-ing to somewhere nothing happens?
Jan 13 22:59:32 <lindi-> mickeyl: which will do some spurious ifup's here
Jan 13 22:59:36 <mickeyl> lindi-: this is gone
Jan 13 22:59:42 <lindi-> not in debian :)
Jan 13 22:59:45 <mickeyl> well :)
Jan 13 22:59:58 <lindi-> we live at least a months in the past
Jan 13 23:00:01 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 13 23:00:06 <mickeyl> pdp handling has been overhauled
Jan 13 23:00:09 <mickeyl> using netlink sockets now
Jan 13 23:00:11 <mickeyl> polling-free
Jan 13 23:00:24 <lindi-> sounds interesting
Jan 13 23:01:06 <mickeyl> the only missing bit is something like org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phone.StartAutoRegister(pin) 
Jan 13 23:01:10 <lindi-> mickeyl: suppose i wanted to activate PDP context but not change the default route, is this possible without changing source?
Jan 13 23:01:10 <mickeyl> i want something like that for pdp as well
Jan 13 23:01:38 <mickeyl> ppp changes the default route, you would need to patch its options
Jan 13 23:01:50 <mickeyl> and this will break us notifiying the context is active
Jan 13 23:01:51 <lindi-> mickeyl: pppd takes the option "nodefaultroute"?
Jan 13 23:02:12 <lindi-> mickeyl: and ppp-level pings will always work to make sure it knows the link is alive
Jan 13 23:02:25 <mickeyl> i disabled pings
Jan 13 23:02:26 <mickeyl> they're not reliable
Jan 13 23:02:41 <mickeyl> they're not going through if you use the connection with full speed
Jan 13 23:02:43 <lindi-> anyways, i'd like to do my own routing :)
Jan 13 23:02:46 <mickeyl> hence ppp thinks you're off
Jan 13 23:02:49 <mickeyl> and shuts down
Jan 13 23:02:57 <mickeyl> i have a better way now
Jan 13 23:03:00 <mickeyl> listening to the modem
Jan 13 23:03:03 <lindi-> I don't really like that starting gprs connection automatically changes dns settings and changes default route
Jan 13 23:03:06 <mickeyl> which tells you when it has dropped a context
Jan 13 23:03:14 <mickeyl> i see, yes, then you're on your own
Jan 13 23:03:28 <mickeyl> if you have a patch that integrates this with us, i'm all ears
Jan 13 23:03:50 <lindi-> mickeyl: btw, can calypso handle two simultaneous PDP contexts? I read a few gprs books that gave me the impression that it could be possible
Jan 13 23:04:00 <lindi-> mickeyl: ok, i'll think about it
Jan 13 23:04:30 <mickeyl> well, it's in the standard
Jan 13 23:04:36 <mickeyl> i never tried with the calypso though
Jan 13 23:04:36 <lindi-> yep
Jan 13 23:04:51 <lindi-> would that let me get more transmit bandwidth?
Jan 13 23:04:58 <mickeyl> no
Jan 13 23:05:07 <mickeyl> the modem can only allocate so many slots
Jan 13 23:05:20 <mickeyl> opening another context will only half bandwidth for each one
Jan 13 23:05:30 <lindi-> ok and the IP level traffic shaping that my ISP does really only applies to 3G stuff
Jan 13 23:05:44 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 13 23:05:47 <lindi-> gprs is below all their caps
Jan 13 23:05:55 <Dave> Hi mickey
Jan 13 23:05:56 <mickeyl> all that +CGDMIN/MAX/REQ is irrelevant on 2.5g
Jan 13 23:05:58 <mickeyl> yo dave
Jan 13 23:06:06 <mickeyl> they're giving you best effort below 3g
Jan 13 23:06:20 <mickeyl> which makes our pdp configuration pretty easy :)
Jan 13 23:06:24 <mickeyl> apn,login,pw
Jan 13 23:06:25 <mickeyl> that's it
Jan 13 23:06:26 <lindi-> mickeyl: i also tried to experiment with the quality attributes with CGDREQ but did not notice any difference in ping rtt
Jan 13 23:06:33 <Dave> :o
Jan 13 23:06:58 <lindi-> "+CGQREQ"
Jan 13 23:07:23 <lindi-> '+CGQREQ=[<cid> [,<precedence >      [,<delay> [,<reliability.> [,<peak> [,<mean>]]]]]]                     '
Jan 13 23:08:32 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 13 23:08:35 <mickeyl> all that sounds good
Jan 13 23:08:40 <mickeyl> but is moot below 3g
Jan 13 23:09:11 <lindi-> 60 packets transmitted, 60 received, 0% packet loss, time 90193ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 616.793/743.527/908.471/36.677 ms
Jan 13 23:12:08 <mirko-paroli> hej mickeyl
Jan 13 23:12:14 <mirko-paroli> might be an odd question
Jan 13 23:12:25 <mirko-paroli> but is the direction attribute of messages in FSO sth FSO adds?
Jan 13 23:12:34 <Dave> heh, hey paroli!
Jan 13 23:12:36 <mickeyl> which dbus message ?
Jan 13 23:12:43 <mirko-paroli> SMS
Jan 13 23:13:09 <mickeyl> this is something we decode from the SMS
Jan 13 23:13:22 <mickeyl> if we do it wrong, alphaone is your man :)
Jan 13 23:13:27 <mirko-paroli> no no
Jan 13 23:13:41 <mickeyl> we don't make this attr up
Jan 13 23:13:43 <lindi-> mickeyl: if you wonder why i'd want to control routing/dns better an example usage case is as follows: i irc over gprs and walk near a pub that has wlan so i choose to use it download a podcast. when i have downloaded it i want to stop wlan and continue ircing over gprs.
Jan 13 23:13:46 <mirko-paroli> but that means we have to prepare paroli for other SMS input ;)
Jan 13 23:13:48 <mickeyl> it's contained in the SMS 
Jan 13 23:14:36 <mickeyl> lindi-: yes, properly dealing with multiple connections needs more than FSO is prepared for. The reason for that is networking is completely not done yet. We need to tackle this when we have proper connman integration
Jan 13 23:14:41 <lindi-> mickeyl: but since gprs and wlan both want to set default route and overwrite the dns settings of each other i'm in trouble when wlan goes down and resolv.conf still has IP of wlan dns server
Jan 13 23:15:05 <mickeyl> lindi-: yes, i agree. we will revisit this eventually
Jan 13 23:15:16 <mickeyl> on 02 at least we have lots of ways to go "online"
Jan 13 23:15:24 <mirko-paroli> mickeyl http://pastebin.com/d23b64ee5
Jan 13 23:15:36 <lindi-> mickeyl: would be nice if it would be configurable so that I could use my own system for this and not another frameworkd subsystem :)
Jan 13 23:16:03 <lindi-> mickeyl: also kernel needs to be compiled with support for source based routing
Jan 13 23:16:35 <mickeyl> mirko-paroli: oh, cool! you got a deliver report?
Jan 13 23:16:45 <mirko-paroli> hmm?
Jan 13 23:16:47 <mickeyl> lindi-: if you have the right options, please send a patch
Jan 13 23:16:56 <mirko-paroli> mickeyl I can't follow
Jan 13 23:17:05 <lindi-> mickeyl: for kernel?
Jan 13 23:17:06 <mickeyl> what did you wanted to say with the pastebin?
Jan 13 23:17:08 <mickeyl> lindi-: sure
Jan 13 23:17:12 <mirko-paroli> ah
Jan 13 23:17:16 <mickeyl> pastebin looks like a SMS-deliver report sms
Jan 13 23:17:27 <mirko-paroli> it has the text Test
Jan 13 23:17:28 <mickeyl> these things don't contain a direction
Jan 13 23:17:31 <mickeyl> since you won't be able to send something
Jan 13 23:17:34 <mickeyl> ah
Jan 13 23:17:40 <mickeyl> good!
Jan 13 23:17:47 <mickeyl> i need to check the present state
Jan 13 23:18:27 <mirko-paroli> was just curious if fso might produce those, then we'll have to prepare paroli for that
Jan 13 23:18:32 <mirko-paroli> that was my question ;)
Jan 13 23:18:42 <mirko-paroli> sry not good at asking precise understandable questions ;)
Jan 13 23:18:45 <mickeyl> np ;)
Jan 13 23:19:21 <mickeyl> btw., i did get your mail, but need some more days to answers
Jan 13 23:19:28 <mirko-paroli> no worries
Jan 13 23:19:31 * mickeyl always FIFO latency
Jan 13 23:19:54 <mirko-paroli> moving this week so latency is my friend ;)
Jan 13 23:20:03 <mickeyl> ah. from .de to .de or elsewhere?
Jan 13 23:20:11 <lindi-> mickeyl: IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES i think but i'm not sure if it is good to add it before there is any use for it
Jan 13 23:20:14 <mirko-paroli> from swe to swe
Jan 13 23:20:38 <lindi-> mickeyl: 'Normally, a router decides what to do with a received packet based solely on the packet's final destination address. If you say Y here, the Linux router will also be able to take the packet's source address into account'
Jan 13 23:20:48 <mickeyl> mirko-paroli: oh, you're in .SE?
Jan 13 23:21:13 <mirko-paroli> yapp
Jan 13 23:21:20 <mirko-paroli> good, cold .se
Jan 13 23:22:36 <mickeyl> mirko: what's up?
Jan 13 23:22:40 <mickeyl> mirko-paroli: why?
Jan 13 23:22:43 <mickeyl> studying?
Jan 13 23:22:47 <mickeyl> or living there
Jan 13 23:22:50 <mirko-paroli> nope, I jsut like it here
Jan 13 23:23:19 <mirko-paroli> well and I have some per forma studies
Jan 13 23:23:24 <Dave> haha fuck, ran out of file descriptors
Jan 13 23:23:26 <mickeyl> cool
Jan 13 23:23:36 <mirko-paroli> but nothing that takes any noticable amount of time
Jan 13 23:24:12 <mirko-paroli> it's not as crowded as GER ;)
Jan 13 23:24:28 <lindi-> hmm, is there some buffered syslogd variant that will only flush logs to disk when it has e.g. one full 4096-byte block to write?
Jan 13 23:24:44 <mickeyl> probably not
Jan 13 23:24:51 <mickeyl> i always use syslogd -C
Jan 13 23:24:57 <mickeyl> circular buffer 
Jan 13 23:25:00 <lindi-> i keep daily backups so it would be useful to have log information stored there too. the current -C buffer is not saved anywhere
Jan 13 23:25:08 <mickeyl> right
Jan 13 23:25:13 <mickeyl> it should save on SIGTERM
Jan 13 23:25:19 <mickeyl> and restore on relaunch
Jan 13 23:25:20 <lindi-> ah
Jan 13 23:25:24 <mickeyl> i mean
Jan 13 23:25:26 <mickeyl> it "should"
Jan 13 23:25:27 <mickeyl> as in...
Jan 13 23:25:29 <lindi-> apt-get source busybo...
Jan 13 23:25:30 <mickeyl> "we should patch it"
Jan 13 23:25:33 <lindi-> ah, it doesn't yet do it
Jan 13 23:25:36 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 13 23:25:41 <mickeyl> but would make a nice addition
Jan 13 23:26:06 <mirko-paroli> mickeyl, sry gotta come back to that message, so those "can" happen or are even supposed to happen when asking the framework for the messagebook? 
Jan 13 23:26:54 <mickeyl> mirko-paroli: there are multiple types of SMSes
Jan 13 23:26:57 <mickeyl> outgoing
Jan 13 23:26:58 <mickeyl> incoming
Jan 13 23:27:02 <mickeyl> delivery reports
Jan 13 23:27:08 <mickeyl> all these can happen
Jan 13 23:28:08 <mirko-paroli> ok
Jan 13 23:28:12 <mirko-paroli> that far I got it ;)
Jan 13 23:28:16 <mirko-paroli> so
Jan 13 23:28:20 <mirko-paroli> what you are saying is
Jan 13 23:28:23 <mirko-paroli> that sms-deliver
Jan 13 23:28:39 <mirko-paroli> means it is a delivery report?
Jan 13 23:29:10 <mickeyl> let me check
Jan 13 23:29:11 <mickeyl> it might not
Jan 13 23:29:15 <mickeyl> i didn't write this code
Jan 13 23:29:21 <mirko-paroli> ah k
Jan 13 23:29:36 <mirko-paroli> the thing is I have several sms here, incoming, outgoing, unsent
Jan 13 23:29:42 <mickeyl> ok, it looks like
Jan 13 23:29:43 <mirko-paroli> none comes with a direction attribute
Jan 13 23:29:45 <mickeyl> sms-submit is outgoing
Jan 13 23:29:54 <mickeyl> sms-deliver is incoming
Jan 13 23:30:15 <mirko-paroli> ok and the framework does not always add the direction attribute
Jan 13 23:30:34 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 13 23:30:42 <mickeyl> where did you read about 'direction' ?
Jan 13 23:30:44 <mickeyl> i can't find it in the docs
Jan 13 23:30:50 <mickeyl> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#RetrieveMessage
Jan 13 23:31:12 <mickeyl> looks like the 'type' indicates the direction
Jan 13 23:32:06 <mirko-paroli> http://pastebin.com/m80904a3
Jan 13 23:32:16 <mirko-paroli> that is another output, on another FR
Jan 13 23:32:24 <mirko-paroli> there is direction :(
Jan 13 23:32:47 <mirko-paroli> k, but you said alphaone is the SMS guru?
Jan 13 23:32:52 <mickeyl> interesting
Jan 13 23:32:53 <mirko-paroli> I just bug him them
Jan 13 23:32:56 <mirko-paroli> then
Jan 13 23:33:00 <mickeyl> that looks like different version of the framework
Jan 13 23:33:05 <mirko-paroli> ah
Jan 13 23:33:09 <mickeyl> i guess the direction attribute was back when we had no PDU mode
Jan 13 23:33:14 <mirko-paroli> I was afraid you'd say that ;)
Jan 13 23:33:15 <mickeyl> now we have more details
Jan 13 23:33:16 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 13 23:33:26 <mickeyl> sorry
Jan 13 23:33:30 <mirko-paroli> no worries
Jan 13 23:33:41 <mirko-paroli> wanted to rewrite our messaging anyhow ;)
Jan 13 23:33:51 <mirko-paroli> ah
Jan 13 23:33:55 <mirko-paroli> while we are talking
Jan 13 23:34:18 <mirko-paroli> does the pim mean at the end of the day that paroli does not need to worry of saving and location at all?
Jan 13 23:34:30 <mirko> mickeyl: i was told you're the man i'm looking for ;) - i'm having weird problems with fso / pyyaml: http://pastebin.com/m62a0efac - do you have any idea ad-hoc?
Jan 13 23:34:51 <mirko-paroli> i.e. I only request all sms and PIM retrieves all from all locations?
Jan 13 23:35:52 <mickeyl> mirko-paroli: exactly. you only deal with the "message db"
Jan 13 23:36:09 <mirko-paroli> ha, music to my ears
Jan 13 23:36:42 <mickeyl> mirko: whew, strange. can you check whether the following works for you:
Jan 13 23:36:43 <mickeyl> python
Jan 13 23:36:45 <mickeyl> import yaml
Jan 13 23:36:49 <mickeyl> type(yaml.Loader)
Jan 13 23:36:53 <mickeyl> should be a class
Jan 13 23:37:19 <mickeyl> try also
Jan 13 23:37:24 <mickeyl> import yaml.CLoader
Jan 13 23:37:25 <mirko> mickeyl: "<type 'type'>"
Jan 13 23:37:34 <mickeyl> that's ok so far
Jan 13 23:38:37 <mirko> mickeyl: "ImportError: No module named CLoader"
Jan 13 23:38:55 <Dave> ogsmd?
Jan 13 23:39:38 <mickeyl> mirko: ok, that looks like the CLoader is not installed on your system. it should fallback to the python loader, but still...
Jan 13 23:39:56 <lindi-> Dave: the subsystem of frameworkd that talks AT
Jan 13 23:40:15 <mickeyl> mirko: try installing libyaml, which is the C implementation, and get a current python-yaml that includes the libyaml wrapper
Jan 13 23:40:52 <mirko> python-yaml is the latest (also tried prior versions - same result)
Jan 13 23:41:05 <mirko> libyaml - will check
Jan 13 23:41:20 <mirko> i think i'll do it tomorrow - need to get some sleep
Jan 13 23:41:37 <mickeyl> g'night
Jan 13 23:42:35 <mirko> good night hackers :)
Jan 13 23:42:43 <mirko> mickeyl: thanks for the hint
Jan 13 23:42:48 <mickeyl> np
Jan 13 23:42:55 <mirko> mickeyl: but that would mean the python implementation is broken anyway, right?
Jan 13 23:43:11 <mickeyl> yes, it should fallback if it can't find the C version
Jan 13 23:43:20 <mickeyl> can you open a bug?
Jan 13 23:43:23 <mickeyl> [trac.freesmartphone.org]
Jan 13 23:43:35 <mirko> mickeyl: sure - will do it tomorrow
Jan 13 23:43:56 <mickeyl> cool,. thanks
Jan 13 23:44:04 <mirko> npnp
Jan 13 23:54:34 <alphaone> mirko-paroli: There are five different types of SMS, the important ones being sms-submit, sms-deliver and sms-submit/deliver-report
Jan 13 23:55:14 <mirko-paroli> when is the new API gonna hit the phones?
Jan 13 23:55:16 <alphaone> sms-deliver is what you get, i.e. a normal incoming (MT, mobile terminated) SMS
Jan 13 23:55:36 <alphaone> sms-submit is what you send (MO SMS)
Jan 13 23:56:37 <alphaone> The reports are sms-submit-report is what you receive if the person you sent the message to sent back an sms-deliver-report
Jan 14 00:00:34 <alphaone> the direction attribute started out as MT and MO, but since we needed to differentiate the messages more it's now called "type" and contains the five different sms types. Four you already know, the other two are sms-command and sms-status-report
Jan 14 00:02:14 <alphaone> huh, new API?
Jan 14 00:02:34 <alphaone> The type attribute should already be there 
Jan 14 00:02:55 <mickeyl> when did we move from direction to type?
Jan 14 00:02:57 <mirko-paroli> on my FR i get http://pastebin.com/m80904a3
Jan 14 00:02:58 <mickeyl> ms4 or later?
Jan 14 00:05:00 <alphaone> looks like after
Jan 14 00:05:06 <alphaone> It's in def440027b0abae8ad1b061c43473df2ae58133a
Jan 14 00:06:09 <mickeyl> k, if mirko-paroli still runs ms4.1 it would explain
Jan 14 00:06:22 <mirko-paroli> ah
Jan 14 00:06:27 <mirko-paroli> what should I run?
Jan 14 00:06:37 <mirko-paroli> which image?
Jan 14 00:06:40 <mirko-paroli> which uboot
Jan 14 00:06:44 <mirko-paroli> want to flash anyhow :)
Jan 14 00:07:29 <alphaone> Well, in the last couple of days I added some stuff that should make SMS parsing much more robust
Jan 14 00:07:45 <mickeyl> alphaone: btw., that +CRING is so funny 
Jan 14 00:07:56 <mickeyl> it's actually the Calypso violating %CUSD
Jan 14 00:08:02 <mickeyl> :/
Jan 14 00:08:28 <alphaone> Yay!
Jan 14 00:08:33 <mickeyl> the calypso should guarantee that no unsolicited response comes in between a request and a response
Jan 14 00:08:38 <mickeyl> so much for guarantees
Jan 14 00:09:55 <alphaone> maybe we can ask dieter for help?
Jan 14 00:14:13 <mickeyl> possible. i'll raise this issue
Jan 14 00:14:18 <mickeyl> i think though they do it on purpose
Jan 14 00:14:28 <mickeyl> or they're bound by v250.ter
Jan 14 00:14:40 <mickeyl> calls.. you know... nothing more important than +CRING
Jan 14 00:15:10 <alphaone> heh, sure
Jan 14 00:21:21 <mirko-paroli> k, me needs sleep
Jan 14 00:21:24 <mirko-paroli> have a nice night
Jan 14 00:21:29 <mickeyl> dito
Jan 14 00:21:43 <mirko-paroli> and alphaone+mickeyl thx and I'll ask for the image again tomorrow
Jan 14 00:21:54 <mirko-paroli> cya
Jan 14 00:22:10 <alphaone> okay, good night
Jan 14 00:39:31 <mickeyl> g'night
Jan 14 02:20:34 <AntonTakk> my app shrinks drastically when i swallow a second layout in to an edje swallow part that is in it's own layout, any ideas?
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