**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 16 02:59:57 2009 Jan 16 08:03:59 alright can someone point me to which build date has working gsm and gps, I can't find my good image Jan 16 08:21:56 hmm the problem seems to be bad kernel Jan 16 08:22:01 a* Jan 16 09:19:30 heyho Jan 16 10:22:01 Hey stefan_schmidt o/ Jan 16 10:22:57 hey Jan 16 10:23:12 i am in office Jan 16 10:23:16 the life is a shit Jan 16 10:23:18 Hey Hire :-) Jan 16 10:23:19 etc etc etc Jan 16 10:23:32 ah and the works suck pretty bad Jan 16 10:23:44 DocScrutinizer? Jan 16 10:24:06 hey Ainulindale Jan 16 10:24:12 someone here Jan 16 10:24:17 * stefan_schmidt just finished an article about FSO for LTR, pretty exhasut now. Break. Jan 16 10:24:22 a stupid sys admin ( not me ) Jan 16 10:24:34 INSTALLED UBUNTU ON A FUCKING SHIT server Jan 16 10:24:47 jesus christ... UBUNTU on a server Jan 16 10:25:13 we have suse, rhcp, debian ... not... ubuntu Jan 16 10:25:42 Well Jan 16 10:25:49 Crap is crap, you seem to install only crap Jan 16 10:25:58 If you installed gentoo it would be better I suppose Jan 16 10:26:26 gentoo? i don't want become crazy Jan 16 10:27:05 Then why do you install suse rhcp or debian? :-) Jan 16 10:27:46 because I used them for... 8 years Jan 16 10:28:01 and however my boss will kill me if I install gentoo here :D Jan 16 10:28:31 ( and is right ) Jan 16 10:28:39 it is always a good point to kill me Jan 16 10:30:30 however Jan 16 10:30:32 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ad1de642ca91073e521bc1b74cb090fc.png Jan 16 10:30:37 do you like it? Jan 16 10:30:41 i did it some days ago Jan 16 10:31:52 what's different? Jan 16 10:31:56 the background? Jan 16 10:32:01 yes Jan 16 10:32:11 well I didn't notice it at first Jan 16 10:32:15 .. Jan 16 10:32:16 And to tell the truth Jan 16 10:32:19 I don't care that much about backgrounds Jan 16 10:32:22 Usually I don't look at them Jan 16 10:32:39 but the fancy-user will care about that Jan 16 10:33:03 probably Jan 16 10:34:12 and Jan 16 11:35:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rca1afd2371c9 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: odeviced: add missing variable in constructor Jan 16 11:35:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0be860bbc94f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogpsd: don't try to shutdown a channel that doesn't exist Jan 16 11:35:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r83c2b0a9d260 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: opgsd: fix bogus indention Jan 16 11:36:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r30d25a78695b 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogspd: another bogus indent Jan 16 11:58:18 Ainulindale: ping Jan 16 12:01:23 yeash Jan 16 12:02:00 mrmoku_: because ainulindale has the same sense of graphics of my toaster Jan 16 12:02:25 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ad1de642ca91073e521bc1b74cb090fc.png <-- do you like it? Jan 16 12:04:17 Hire: sorry to say so... but I'm more like Ainulindale ;) the background doesn't matter that much to me Jan 16 12:04:20 its nice though Jan 16 12:04:46 decent and not distracting :-) Jan 16 12:05:00 argh Jan 16 12:05:09 (not to say that I feel like a toaster ;) Jan 16 12:05:15 so you too, we have two toaster Jan 16 12:05:38 no, you are :D Jan 16 12:05:51 so why am I suffering the cold then? Jan 16 12:06:16 anyway... talking about toasters... have to eat now :D Jan 16 12:06:48 *toasters Jan 16 12:06:59 me too Jan 16 12:07:06 but i ate 10 minutes ago Jan 16 12:09:06 mrmoku_: pong Jan 16 12:16:57 i LOVE nick cave Jan 16 12:25:15 Hire: i would prefer a lighter background :P it should mood me up beside the crashes and segfaults and other not working stuff XD Jan 16 12:26:15 :/ Jan 16 12:28:39 :o) Jan 16 12:34:46 someone wants to see my butt scarred? Jan 16 12:34:52 *scarred butt Jan 16 12:40:39 Ainulindale: hey, are you sure unstable contains latest frameworkd ? ;) Jan 16 12:41:29 (not yet me thinks) Jan 16 12:42:14 Well maybe we didn't build it Jan 16 12:42:18 but that's where it will be Jan 16 12:42:27 (please update, I'm finalizing a proposal, don't have time) Jan 16 12:44:03 does not build... ping me when you have some time Jan 16 12:44:11 what doesn't build? Jan 16 12:44:38 frameworkd Jan 16 12:44:41 in unstable Jan 16 12:44:48 huh? Jan 16 12:44:54 due to some cython error about non existing _md5 Jan 16 12:45:07 that's not a problem Jan 16 12:45:27 Hmmm Jan 16 12:45:33 Yes that's a problem Jan 16 12:45:36 But I don't know which Jan 16 12:45:42 Could you pastebin the log? Jan 16 12:45:54 wanted to wait for the python update from mickey|bbl Jan 16 12:45:59 see if it autosolves ;) Jan 16 12:46:36 Ainulindale: right now I'm trying to build an updating testing (still in the build subdir with the new makefile) and some revs set to auto Jan 16 12:47:25 Ok :-) Jan 16 12:48:21 Ainulindale: is there some pastebin service where you can upload files? Jan 16 12:48:39 No idea Jan 16 12:49:35 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/d5611d72e Jan 16 12:50:47 brb Jan 16 12:50:54 heyho Jan 16 12:51:17 morphis: huhu Jan 16 12:52:20 bumbl: hey Jan 16 12:53:48 morphis: good work on py elm Jan 16 12:53:53 :) Jan 16 12:54:00 bumbl: I know :) Jan 16 12:54:20 haha Jan 16 12:55:38 mickey|bbl ? Jan 16 12:56:44 stefan_schmidth: some time for me? Jan 16 12:57:28 morphis: Not right now. Will you be around later today? Jan 16 12:59:07 stefan_sc: I am back home from work around 17.30, ok? Jan 16 13:00:44 mickey|bbl: please check mrmoku_'s pastebin when available (frameworkd build issue) : http://pastebin.com/d5611d72e Jan 16 13:01:40 this is an artefact of the openssl changes Jan 16 13:01:57 together with packaged staging Jan 16 13:02:02 should rebuild python-native Jan 16 13:02:03 So we'd have to regenerate md5 ? Jan 16 13:02:08 Ok that's what I thought Jan 16 13:02:23 openssl was upgraded, hence the python in staging no longer has its libs Jan 16 13:02:32 mickey|bbl: too bad there's no way to fix that Jan 16 13:02:38 Something like revdep-rebuild in portage Jan 16 13:02:47 yeah, that's a problem in the packaged-staging Jan 16 13:02:53 but you can disable it :) Jan 16 13:03:07 although packaged-staging has its merits Jan 16 13:03:10 Yep Jan 16 13:04:05 * mrmoku_ rebuilt python but not python-native :-) Jan 16 13:04:15 a full rebuild is due anyways Jan 16 13:04:25 python 2.6 changes have just been merged into mastr Jan 16 13:04:28 mrmoku: will you do it then? Jan 16 13:04:38 full rebuild including rm -rf /tmp? Jan 16 13:05:03 morphis: Perhaps a bit later from my side. Will ping you Jan 16 13:05:24 after so many changes, i'd advise rm -rf, yes, but it's not a necessity Jan 16 13:07:02 stefan_sc: great Jan 16 13:08:19 Ainulindale: ok, will do a full rebuild then... What EFL_SRCRV? Jan 16 13:08:31 mrmoku: your choice Jan 16 13:08:40 * mrmoku has no idea Jan 16 13:08:58 mrmoku: do you have time to spend watching it? :-) Jan 16 13:09:00 with the one from ultraunstable I can make the elementary_test segfault ;) Jan 16 13:09:09 Ainulindale: the build? yes Jan 16 13:09:21 Ok then do it :-) Jan 16 13:09:26 And leave the EFL_SRCREV as is I think Jan 16 13:09:47 ok... and remove the ultraunstable link then Jan 16 13:10:30 As is = the old one Jan 16 13:10:32 not the ultraunstable one Jan 16 13:10:56 Ainulindale: ahh, old unstable. with the old makefile then Jan 16 13:11:20 why the old makefile? Jan 16 13:11:25 Can't follow you here Jan 16 13:12:04 I started my build in build subdir with the new Makefile Jan 16 13:12:14 the 'old' builds have still the FSO Makefile Jan 16 13:13:25 You could replace the old makefile by the new one Jan 16 13:13:30 And still keep the same EFL_SRCREV Jan 16 13:13:52 Ainulindale: and exchange the common subdir Jan 16 13:13:58 Indeed Jan 16 13:14:25 ok, will do. What about the links in /var/www? Jan 16 13:14:55 what do you normally do with them when doing a complete rebuild? Jan 16 13:15:08 remove them first? just leave them? Jan 16 13:15:25 mv tmp tmp.old Jan 16 13:15:27 rm link Jan 16 13:15:29 ln -s etc Jan 16 13:16:20 ok Jan 16 13:43:20 mrmoku: does it still refuse to compile? Jan 16 13:44:06 bumbl: hope not... just started a complete rebuild some minutes ago :-) Jan 16 13:44:20 so maybe we can have a new unstable image by today Jan 16 13:44:28 and drop the ultraunstable stuff :( Jan 16 13:47:36 hehe Jan 16 13:47:46 ultraunstable is useless Jan 16 13:48:00 we don't need another pre unstable branch Jan 16 13:48:04 we need a stable release Jan 16 13:49:01 hmm, normally I would agree... Just that right now testing is useless Jan 16 13:49:11 most people (at least I think) use unstable Jan 16 13:49:23 so if an unstable update would break even booting... Jan 16 13:49:46 it was just ment to test out new frameworkd and new kernel Jan 16 13:52:10 yeah i know Jan 16 13:52:18 move unstable to testing Jan 16 13:52:29 and ultraunstable to unstable Jan 16 13:54:13 yep... if the current build goes fine we have a new unstable equal to ultraunstable and can drop that Jan 16 13:54:23 next step will be to have a new (working) testing Jan 16 13:54:38 * bumbl is looking forward to andy-tracking s&r Jan 16 13:54:52 although it has some problems too :( Jan 16 13:55:05 rotating screen for one Jan 16 13:57:52 * bumbl wants opimd Jan 16 13:57:56 :p Jan 16 13:58:39 my old 6230i is dying Jan 16 13:58:54 not yet dead though Jan 16 13:59:59 keep it alive for another month ;) Jan 16 14:06:43 haha yeah Jan 16 14:06:57 i try that for more than half a year now Jan 16 14:09:35 are there any FSO devs online? Jan 16 14:09:47 bumbl: use akonadi Jan 16 14:09:48 mrmoku: the fact that people use unstable is because we don't update testing Jan 16 14:09:55 I asked quickdev several time to update the srcrevs Jan 16 14:10:08 And we should rebuild regularly the testing images Jan 16 14:11:14 Flyser_: akonadi is not supported by the phone applications Jan 16 14:12:22 bumbl: well^^ _thats_ the problem which should be solved Jan 16 14:12:36 instead of writing yet another pim software Jan 16 14:12:45 s/software/framework/ Jan 16 14:12:45 Flyser_ meant: instead of writing yet another pim framework Jan 16 14:13:09 Flyser_: well true Jan 16 14:13:18 bzzbot: if you say so Jan 16 14:13:26 Ainulindale: I know Jan 16 14:13:29 but then they had to include akonadi into the framework Jan 16 14:13:42 What's the purpose of building an abstraction framework and break this abstraction by using non abstracted things? Jan 16 14:13:46 so? Jan 16 14:13:50 which would mean c++ stuff mixed with python and vala stuff Jan 16 14:13:51 Especially KDE stuff Jan 16 14:14:13 We threw away eds, that's not to fall in another pit of doom Jan 16 14:14:15 bumbl: so?^^ Jan 16 14:14:26 bumbl: they would just have to integrate it properly Jan 16 14:14:35 it is maintained elsewhere Jan 16 14:14:39 (It's great to see my comments ignored) Jan 16 14:14:55 Flyser_: is akonadi capable to read the contacts from my SIM? Jan 16 14:15:35 mrmoku: I am not sure, but I think one could write a plugin for this Jan 16 14:15:59 Flyser_: one could also just get opimd finished and have the perfect phone solution :-) Jan 16 14:16:17 Sigh Jan 16 14:16:47 mrmoku: And waste manpower by duplicating code which has been written a hundred times before Jan 16 14:17:29 Flyser_: its not that I could 'opkg install akonadi' and have a working solution Jan 16 14:17:37 manpower also needed there Jan 16 14:17:41 I've got a few problems running recent framework http://pastebin.com/m4d1479e5. Am I doing something wrong here? Jan 16 14:17:44 mrmoku: right Jan 16 14:17:57 Flyser_: i am not that fond of akonadi (although i love kde4) because the kde devs decided that it has to use mysql Jan 16 14:18:34 well, thats a good point ... Jan 16 14:19:08 * mrmoku does not want mysql on his phone ;) Jan 16 14:19:39 sqlite/flatfile backend is enough Jan 16 14:19:41 dagger|work: never seen that... how recent is it? Jan 16 14:19:47 at least for me Jan 16 14:19:52 mrmoku: current git Jan 16 14:20:29 mrmoku: 0.4 works ok Jan 16 14:22:48 current git does not have objects.py Jan 16 14:22:57 looks like you have a mixed installation of 0.4 and master Jan 16 14:23:06 200 numbers in contacts + between 0 and 150 sms (before i delete them) + some calender entries don't need mysql (they would not even need sqlite) Jan 16 14:23:56 thats right, Jan 16 14:24:18 mickey|bbl: it might happen i didn't remove all files than. I will check it out Jan 16 14:24:24 does anyone know if it is possible to switch the backend Jan 16 14:24:37 Flyser_: it seems to be quite hard Jan 16 14:24:54 as amarok decided to use mysql for similar reasons Jan 16 14:25:32 About pim, do you guys really read what was the intent of opimd and FSO? Jan 16 14:25:46 Because it's nice and good to try to reinvent the wheel without actually knowing what a weel is Jan 16 14:25:50 =h Jan 16 14:25:52 Damn keyboard Jan 16 14:26:39 Ainulindale: can you skip this wheel analogy and say what you mean? :D Jan 16 14:27:04 ainulindale: i prefer a cube, not a whell Jan 16 14:27:08 I already said what I meant some lines ago, although none of you bothered to read or answer it Jan 16 14:27:12 *wheel Jan 16 14:27:17 Hire: go and put cubes on your alfa ;) Jan 16 14:27:19 http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F Jan 16 14:27:30 mrmoku: my poor alfa :( Jan 16 14:27:44 *you* said you prefer cubes ;) Jan 16 14:27:48 AHaha, using mysql on a freerunner Jan 16 14:27:49 Haha Jan 16 14:27:50 Let me laugh Jan 16 14:27:54 ahah Jan 16 14:27:56 mysql Jan 16 14:27:58 AHAH Jan 16 14:28:01 oh my god ... Jan 16 14:28:22 my fr wants to commit a suicide if I put a dbms on him Jan 16 14:28:25 You might as well buy a hammer and smash your device and balls at the same time Jan 16 14:28:25 Ainulindale: Hire: see next question Jan 16 14:28:29 It'll give you as much pleasure Jan 16 14:28:46 Hire: you have a dbms (sqlite) Jan 16 14:28:50 mrmoku: yes, but for my alfa I prefer four wheels :D Jan 16 14:29:04 Flyser_: So what? Jan 16 14:29:06 Ainulindale: i know your point and am thus arguing against akonadi - it does not make sense to mix a completly different api implemented in a different way and a different language using the worst database for a phone Jan 16 14:29:19 bumbl: that's one part of my point Jan 16 14:29:30 Ainulindale: if i will say to you what i prefer you will kill me .. Jan 16 14:29:34 Hire: and the (ice) cubes for your martini? Jan 16 14:29:40 My point was also that akonadi is not bad per se but has nothing to do with the FSO initiative and intent Jan 16 14:29:43 afaik these concurrency problems are fixed in sqlite, so it would be possible to adapt akonadi to it Jan 16 14:30:05 mrmoku: martini? i prefer an amaretto :D Jan 16 14:31:26 Flyser_: it would be easier to just write that bloody opimd Jan 16 14:31:35 and faster Jan 16 14:31:40 Hire: sweetheart ;) Jan 16 14:31:49 * mrmoku sends Hire a bottle of Baileys Jan 16 14:32:02 opimd has been written bumbl Jan 16 14:32:03 mhm baileys Jan 16 14:32:15 The problem is that it's neither documented nor tested Jan 16 14:32:30 There are a two test cases, and that's plainly not enough Jan 16 14:32:31 and has no maintainer iirc Jan 16 14:32:37 Wrong Jan 16 14:32:42 huh? Jan 16 14:32:43 Ainulindale: i thought only the api is finnished but the functionality is not yet there Jan 16 14:32:44 who? Jan 16 14:32:51 abraxa Jan 16 14:32:59 abraxa, and me as soon as I'll get info from him (talked to him a couple of days ago) Jan 16 14:33:04 and it misses docs + testapp Jan 16 14:33:05 I thought he does not want to maintain it inside FSO Jan 16 14:33:48 okay Jan 16 14:33:53 interesting Jan 16 14:35:37 I still think that akonadi (with sqlite) would be more valuable for Openmoko, especially if you think of mail and instant messaging programs Jan 16 14:36:51 I mean opimd is okay, but rather small compared to akonadi Jan 16 14:38:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv_TBrD7nk4 <= ha ha ha ha Jan 16 14:39:39 hehe Jan 16 14:39:52 * mrmoku thinks Ainulindale has toooo much time :P Jan 16 14:40:41 I'm trying to calm myself, it's been 8 hours straight of proposal writing for a stupid customer Jan 16 14:41:36 Ainulindale: uuhh paperwork, eek :( Jan 16 14:42:11 mrmoku: yeah right Jan 16 14:43:16 yyy can I write kernel to nand from moko? Jan 16 14:43:25 or I need to use dfu-tool ? Jan 16 14:45:12 Ainulindale: customers are never stupid Jan 16 14:45:14 * bumbl runs Jan 16 14:47:02 how do i bring up the keyboard in SHR? Jan 16 14:48:10 pop down illume and press the button up right Jan 16 14:48:43 pop down ilume? Jan 16 14:48:54 menu on top of the screen Jan 16 14:49:11 settings? Jan 16 14:49:39 on rigth corner there is "qwerty" Jan 16 14:49:47 frankS2: click it Jan 16 14:49:57 yuo Jan 16 14:49:59 thanks =) Jan 16 14:51:52 yoyo: you can with nandwrite Jan 16 14:52:18 mrmoku: :) aaa :) ok some faq? Jan 16 14:52:40 default pidgin in SHR do not support MSN? Jan 16 14:54:17 SHR seems like the right distro for me Jan 16 14:54:19 great Jan 16 14:54:28 and it is so much quicker than the default Jan 16 14:55:10 yoyo: do you have an OE source tree? Jan 16 14:55:18 yes Jan 16 14:55:38 look in packages/linux/linux-openmoko.inc Jan 16 14:55:39 mrmoku: but it don't whant to build Jan 16 14:55:51 yoyo: not to build... just to look :-) Jan 16 14:56:09 how can I change the illume top bar titel: "ILLUME" is there a config file? Jan 16 14:56:59 scheich: if you start some app it change Jan 16 14:57:01 mickey|bbl: I've checked my build log http://dpaste.com/109848/, and indeed I had old file from 0.4. ogsmd starts ok. The other problem is still there http://pastebin.com/md5cee67. Is it something I'm doing wrong, or it's not yet fully implemented? Jan 16 14:58:32 what do SHR have instead of dhclient? Jan 16 14:58:53 yoyo: Yes, I know, is there a way to do that manually? Jan 16 14:59:15 scheich: hyyy I don't know Jan 16 14:59:36 damn, thx Jan 16 15:02:16 switt 50 package to upgrade :...\ Jan 16 15:04:43 ok it seems framework-0.4 didnt require pyyaml to be compiled with libyaml, but current trunk does Jan 16 15:10:50 the last two problems I've got are here http://pastebin.com/m6b1efaf7. I've for gstreamer installed with all codeds and can play ogg/mp3/mp4/wav from command line using aplay, but framework reports error. It is safe to ignore second problem? Jan 16 15:12:02 not sure if that matters, but I'm using andy-tracking kernel (current git) Jan 16 15:18:26 frankS2: opkg install libpurple-protocol-msn Jan 16 15:20:00 frankS2: should get you MSN in pidgin Jan 16 15:21:06 ok I distroy my uboot Jan 16 15:21:09 o.O help Jan 16 15:21:42 mrmoku: nandwrite is not good idea :/ Jan 16 15:22:07 why? Jan 16 15:22:18 just use it correctly ;) Jan 16 15:22:34 my uboot don't download kernel image to wrait it Jan 16 15:22:45 and it look diffrent then usual :/ Jan 16 15:23:13 did you flash_eraseall before nandwrite? Jan 16 15:24:08 mrmoku: I have situation. moko on u-boot menu. not booting from nand (kernel) and canot writ kernel to nand using dfu Jan 16 15:25:04 yoyo: what did you do exactly? Jan 16 15:25:27 nandwrite -m -p /dev/mtd2 /uimage Jan 16 15:27:31 maybe /uimage is not a good kernel? Jan 16 15:27:45 I have biger problem Jan 16 15:28:08 I unable to write correct one Jan 16 15:28:09 :/ Jan 16 15:29:50 mrmoku : help http://pastebin.com/d6b9b77d3 Jan 16 15:30:48 yoyo: are you sure mtd2 was the correct device? Jan 16 15:30:54 yes Jan 16 15:31:05 cat /proc/mtdsomthing Jan 16 15:31:20 hmm... did that quite often (on gta02 though) Jan 16 15:32:40 mrmoku: how can I write new uimage o.O Jan 16 15:34:38 yoyo: what does -m with nandwrite? Jan 16 15:35:13 I can't chk that now bicouse moko is on u-boot Jan 16 15:38:52 sie* I can't send image using ymodem Jan 16 15:41:08 yoyo: can't you just start nor u-boot and reflash nand u-boot? Jan 16 15:42:21 sakkara_: where can I fount some how to ? Jan 16 15:42:28 sakkara_: yoyo has a gta01... no nand-uboot Jan 16 15:43:14 mrmoku: since I have sdhc uimage boot from nand system (rootfs) from cart Jan 16 15:43:15 ah, ok Jan 16 15:43:40 :P I'm able to write uimage to rootfs :P Jan 16 15:43:47 I'will try to boot from it Jan 16 15:58:10 someone from poznan PL with dboard ? Jan 16 16:10:31 yoyo: how big is your kernel? Jan 16 16:10:37 1.8mb Jan 16 16:10:46 hmm, ok then Jan 16 16:11:03 I try to loady no succes :/ Jan 16 16:14:32 yoyo: -m is mark bad blocks Jan 16 16:17:15 It looks like from some reason my kernel partition make it self smaller Jan 16 16:17:46 yoyo: what does dfu-util --list say? Jan 16 16:18:54 mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/d4c904022 Jan 16 16:19:44 uhh :( Jan 16 16:19:55 should be http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_Partitions Jan 16 16:20:11 :| Jan 16 16:20:15 it looks beeed Jan 16 16:21:09 yoyo: are you sure your dfu-util is ok? if you have that partition layout... I don't think the boot menu shoot pop up Jan 16 16:21:13 -t+d Jan 16 16:22:08 freesmartphone.org: 03rdaniellou 07specs * r144691bbb0b3 10/ogpsd/ (5 files): add Gypsy interface documentation for FSO Jan 16 16:22:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra83d4468e165 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): regenerate docs for FSO GPS API documentation Jan 16 16:24:09 moku moku moku Jan 16 16:24:25 dfu-util from download.oponmoko.org same result Jan 16 16:24:42 but you get the boot menu? Jan 16 16:25:09 yes Jan 16 16:25:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r21ce409ba5c1 10/html/index.html: formatting Jan 16 16:27:00 one more time "Error during download" :/ Jan 16 16:28:52 heyho Jan 16 16:31:55 morphis! Jan 16 16:32:03 Dave: jo Jan 16 16:32:09 Hallo :] Jan 16 16:32:12 whats up? Jan 16 16:32:17 can someone help my? Jan 16 16:32:24 Not your code, apparently :P Jan 16 16:32:39 I know it is not brik but almoust :( Jan 16 16:33:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re9604342da10 10/html/index.html: more formatting Jan 16 16:34:09 yoyo: where do you need help? Jan 16 16:34:58 morphis: on dfu-util - level I can't send to my gta01 uimage :/ dfu returns my -110 Jan 16 16:35:09 my uimage file is less then 2mb Jan 16 16:35:23 do you know what -110 means? Jan 16 16:35:37 out off space? Jan 16 16:36:17 hm, I don't know. You looked into the "documentation" of dfu-util? Jan 16 16:36:40 I looked to google Jan 16 16:38:48 "If during flashing of an image using dfu-util you're consistently getting an error -110 message, check that the size of the destination NAND partition is big enough to hold the image." Jan 16 16:39:05 I found on om wiki Jan 16 16:40:06 :) I resized kernel partition :P Jan 16 16:40:15 hehe Jan 16 16:45:38 taraaa :) kernel partition 4mb :P cool 2mb less for rootfs Jan 16 16:46:12 2mb only? Jan 16 16:46:22 what have you done with the rest of the 64mb? Jan 16 16:46:22 Well, I can't congratulate myself enough in having done what was possible at the police station for my accident last friday Jan 16 16:46:40 The other driver (who went away) wrote a complaint saying I ran away Jan 16 16:46:50 morphis: nothing :) I have rootfs on sdhc :P Jan 16 16:48:00 yoyo: ah ok :) Jan 16 16:51:16 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r97bccd7dc342 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: patterns/tasklet: fix bug in WaitDBus w/ timeouts Jan 16 16:51:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd724ab14eb6 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: patterns/tasklet: use timeout_add_seconds to save energy Jan 16 16:51:31 hyhyhy system bootig :) someone is update ? with shr-unstalbe? Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf3f5069187ff 10/tests/sim.py: Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: tests/sim: wait for ReadyStatus signal when a SIMBusy error is raised Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: Otherwise the test was failing every time the SIM was not ready at startup. Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: The solution here assumes that after we receive a ReadyStatus, then we can't get Jan 16 16:52:39 freesmartphone.org: an other SIMBusy error for the next call. Jan 16 16:57:54 Ainulindale: That was good thinking on your part. Jan 16 16:59:03 Well, yes, but I'm a bit scared however Jan 16 16:59:11 (even though I know nothing will happen) Jan 16 16:59:13 how much scared? Jan 16 17:01:28 not that much but still Jan 16 17:01:35 I'm used to anxiety Jan 16 17:03:21 stefan_sc: ping Jan 16 17:08:22 everybody knows where you calibrate the touchscreen? Jan 16 17:09:03 if I remove /etc/pointercal, xtscal starts on next x restart automatically but then I cannot click anywhere Jan 16 17:10:33 calibration is done via xsession Jan 16 17:10:44 check the xsession directory Jan 16 17:11:03 mickey|bb: jepp, there is a script which calls xtscal Jan 16 17:11:20 add new ticket? present shr-unstable not starting on gta01 Jan 16 17:11:57 mickey|bb: but the problem is on the xtscal screen I cannot click everywhere, maybe there is somewhere another problem? Jan 16 17:12:17 btw. yesterday i noticed that latest frameworkd is not starting Jan 16 17:12:28 maybe now it's fixed, i will check Jan 16 17:13:46 I always need tslib filters when having the filters in kernel space? Jan 16 17:19:19 no Jan 16 17:19:49 you only need the specify you're using raw_input Jan 16 17:20:07 ok, then I disabled it in Xserver Jan 16 17:20:09 if the kernel is dumping proper coords, you might as well not use tslig anyways Jan 16 17:20:16 s/anyways/at all/ Jan 16 17:20:17 mickey|bbl meant: if the kernel is dumping proper coords, you might as well not use tslig at all Jan 16 17:20:32 ok Jan 16 17:20:49 and tslib is the only one who uses /etc/pointercal? Jan 16 17:21:51 tslib is using /etc/pointercal, yes Jan 16 17:22:11 ok, then I will remove it and the other stuff Jan 16 17:22:15 i don't know whether you still need the file Jan 16 17:22:26 i didn't follow the put-everything-in-kernel debate Jan 16 17:22:28 *shrug* Jan 16 17:22:55 otherwise on each startup of x the xtscal program popups Jan 16 17:23:08 well, you need to calibrate the ts Jan 16 17:23:16 _how_ you are doing it i don't know Jan 16 17:23:20 but you won't get away without it Jan 16 17:23:27 jepp I know Jan 16 17:25:15 ok, than I have to figure out how I calibrate the in-kernel ts filters Jan 16 17:27:15 good luck :D Jan 16 17:41:04 mickey|bb: in current oe there is any entry missing in conf/checksums.ini for pyrex 0.9.8.5 Jan 16 18:27:37 mrmoku: ping Jan 16 18:32:10 what do SHR have instead of dhclient? Jan 16 18:37:31 udhcp Jan 16 18:54:41 bumbl: pong Jan 16 18:55:41 you know what i want? :p has the build finished successfully Jan 16 18:55:42 ? Jan 16 18:56:42 knew that, yeah... wanted you to ask anyway ;) Running task 3216 of 6909 Jan 16 19:05:49 someone: pong Jan 16 19:05:52 but quickdev? Jan 16 19:06:02 he is quite away from SHR .. Jan 16 19:06:19 mrmoku: uh it takes ages Jan 16 19:06:25 and ainulindale, you are working on integration of opimd into lfg? Jan 16 19:06:31 bumbl: yep... :( Jan 16 19:06:52 Hire: quickdev is busy with school and other stuff... don't think he is away Jan 16 19:07:32 bumbl: at least almost 50% _without_ error :-) Jan 16 19:08:15 hehe yes Jan 16 19:08:18 think positive Jan 16 19:11:43 bumbl: and if it works out.... it will be the best SHR image ever :-) Jan 16 19:13:23 sure? Jan 16 19:13:39 it can still fail starting frameworkd or stuff Jan 16 19:14:29 mrmoku, don't you mean best USHR ever? Jan 16 19:16:04 you're all about the super most unstable images ever, recently :P Jan 16 19:19:45 bumbl: thats why I said... if it works out :P Jan 16 19:39:23 Tom Hacohen in present ? Jan 16 19:39:25 IF Jan 16 19:39:28 in is ? Jan 16 19:39:49 almost sounds like Harkonnen :o Jan 16 19:44:45 DocScrutinizer: Received the enveloppe! Thank you very much for the spare battery! (And nice card by the way :)) Jan 16 19:47:12 You got a card!? Jan 16 19:49:23 He gave me one of his visit card ;) Jan 16 19:49:37 (from openmoko) Jan 16 19:51:57 Ah :P Jan 16 19:52:02 business cards? Jan 16 19:58:09 yes Jan 16 19:58:18 :) Jan 16 19:59:35 bumbl: 4022 Jan 16 20:12:44 openmoko-contacts crash :/ http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/263 Jan 16 20:14:07 unsurprising Jan 16 20:15:33 Dave: why? Jan 16 20:16:50 * mrmoku thinks dave should make an appointment with his therapist to get back some positivism :p Jan 16 20:20:50 Dave just needs a little time away from those miniature black holes of dissapointment called the "Freerunner" and the "Neo1873" Jan 16 20:22:11 no whan says that will by esy Jan 16 20:22:37 yoyo: be easy? ;D Jan 16 20:22:50 mrmoku: good progress Jan 16 20:22:50 ye ye Jan 16 20:24:16 :P Jan 16 20:24:52 mrmoku, mwester: Dave is the living evidence that when the number of freerunners increases sanity indirectly proportional decreases Jan 16 20:25:02 -_-; Jan 16 20:26:01 So the more freerunners you have, the more insane you are, right? Jan 16 20:26:31 * Dave runs Jan 16 20:27:07 And how many freerunners Dave has? Jan 16 20:27:13 o.O python 2.6 Jan 16 20:27:17 ?o? Jan 16 20:27:25 ike: too many Jan 16 20:27:46 Two many? Jan 16 20:27:47 ;-) Jan 16 20:28:18 i would guess he is the one who said at the openmoko survey that he owned 63 freerunners :p Jan 16 20:29:30 63 paperweights! oh my. Jan 16 20:29:39 or a GPS-cluster. Jan 16 20:29:49 hehe Jan 16 20:30:05 GPS - cluster ? for wchat ? Jan 16 20:30:09 nah i think realistically Dave has a dozen in his secret lab Jan 16 20:30:34 yoyo: *shrugs* if you have 63 freerunners you have to think creatively. Jan 16 20:30:38 hiding himself and his babies good from lazylulu Jan 16 20:32:01 somthing like http://www.handhelds.org/cam.html < ? Jan 16 20:33:06 i would use 63 freerunners to do something useful Jan 16 20:33:14 e.g. compiling openoffice Jan 16 20:33:15 :p Jan 16 20:34:06 with 63 freerunners you can play doom II at 24 fps Jan 16 20:34:17 nice thing, isn't? Jan 16 20:34:23 it is Jan 16 20:34:51 accelerometer game - shake the one of your 63 freerunners which played sound Jan 16 20:35:16 if you chosed wrongly, send smses to porn service from every freerunner Jan 16 20:35:50 porn service in meaning "expensive service" ;) Jan 16 20:36:10 * Dave pictures it more along the lines of the grail room from The Last Crusade, and you must "Choose wisely" :P Jan 16 20:36:25 which one will it be? :P Jan 16 20:36:26 One Freerunner to rule them all. Jan 16 20:36:59 Dave: the 64-th one! Jan 16 20:37:14 63 is... not so binary. Jan 16 20:37:20 binarish. Jan 16 20:37:24 ike: it is Jan 16 20:37:29 0..63 Jan 16 20:37:42 it's 2^6 range ;) Jan 16 20:37:43 0 freerunner(s)? Jan 16 20:37:52 -_- Jan 16 20:37:58 ike: with freerunners everythink is possible ;D Jan 16 20:38:03 ike: that's the best number to have. Jan 16 20:38:08 s/everythink/everything/ Jan 16 20:38:09 42? Jan 16 20:38:10 dos1 meant: ike: with freerunners everything is possible ;D Jan 16 20:38:26 Dave: yeah, but what's the question? Jan 16 20:38:28 bzzbot: thanks. Jan 16 20:38:29 bitte, ike Jan 16 20:38:30 Dave: 42 is only the answer Jan 16 20:38:34 question i 63 Jan 16 20:38:35 hahaha Jan 16 20:38:38 is* Jan 16 20:38:39 ;) Jan 16 20:38:40 * Dave high-fives dos1 Jan 16 20:38:52 No, 0. the graph clearly shows that at zero freerunners, one's freerunner-happiness-quotient is maximized. Jan 16 20:38:55 Low five! Jan 16 20:39:00 Too slow. Jan 16 20:39:09 mwester: hey there ;) Jan 16 20:39:10 INSANITY IS ENSURED WITH 0 OR 1 FREERUNNER(S) Jan 16 20:39:12 ;D Jan 16 20:39:43 HOENOES THE UNIVERSE IS DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED Jan 16 20:39:43 * Dave jumps out the nearest windows, taking some of his freerunners with him Jan 16 20:39:43 'allo mr. kensan! Jan 16 20:40:03 * Dave hurls freerunners at Kensan on his way down Jan 16 20:40:06 * mwester shovels the rest out the window after Dave Jan 16 20:40:08 mwester: how's it going? Jan 16 20:40:23 * Kensan catches them and sells them to unsuspecting bystanders Jan 16 20:40:32 Kensan: Busy. But well. I feel my happiness rising, perhaps because I'm away from my freerunner more... ;) Jan 16 20:40:44 mwester: haha, good for you. Jan 16 20:40:45 "unsuspecting bystanders" buing freerunners. Jan 16 20:40:47 That's nice. Jan 16 20:40:59 That's really quite evil.. Jan 16 20:41:22 make them believe its hitech ;) Jan 16 20:41:56 Nooooooooooooooooo Jan 16 20:41:58 mwester: well I never said I was a nice guy (tm) Jan 16 20:42:02 * sicu queues up to be a suspected unsuspected bystander Jan 16 20:42:12 * Dave rofls in his grave Jan 16 20:42:35 Oh man, if someone put a freerunner on my grave as tribute, I think I'd have to come back as a zombie and eat their BRAINS Jan 16 20:42:42 Oh, that reminds me... Jan 16 20:42:43 hahaha Jan 16 20:42:46 BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSS Jan 16 20:42:51 :) Jan 16 20:42:59 Hungry? Jan 16 20:43:04 * Dave burps Jan 16 20:43:11 Just ate, actually :D Jan 16 20:44:01 skittne utlendinger Jan 16 20:44:06 >:] Jan 16 20:44:16 is that some kind of fish? Jan 16 20:44:26 Which reminds me - I've just seen the most stupid movie ever. Don't ever watch "The house of the dead 2". Jan 16 20:44:31 rofl :D Jan 16 20:44:40 Okay, thanks ike :) Jan 16 20:44:55 You're welcome. Jan 16 20:45:07 Sköttbular Jan 16 20:45:31 The only swedish dish I ever cooked *hehe* Jan 16 20:45:49 Svedish Meatballs! Jan 16 20:46:03 jätte br°a Jan 16 20:46:09 or something like that Jan 16 20:46:14 dörf dörf? Jan 16 20:46:26 o.O Jan 16 20:46:44 dumbledörf ? Jan 16 20:52:03 is there someone familiar with mofi? Jan 16 20:52:39 :( Jan 16 20:52:42 Mofi Jan 16 20:52:53 The biggest anticipation and failure of openmoko? (besides OM itself) Jan 16 20:54:23 Dave: do you mean gui or connecting part? Jan 16 20:54:48 all of it? Jan 16 20:54:54 but more so the functionality of it Jan 16 20:55:04 yes, that's why i'm asking Jan 16 20:55:24 i'm looking at mofi code to write wifi manager for shr-settings Jan 16 20:55:48 but for me support of WEP networks will be useful Jan 16 20:55:57 and i can't see it in mofi ;x Jan 16 20:56:08 Ah! :) Jan 16 20:56:10 yeah Jan 16 20:56:13 sucky, right? Jan 16 20:56:19 yep Jan 16 20:56:29 better write it from scratch and in c Jan 16 20:56:38 huhu Jan 16 20:56:59 sakkara: shr-settings is in python-elementary, and i'm not rewriting - only looking, how to use python-wifi Jan 16 20:57:19 ah ok Jan 16 20:59:22 well, wep is pretty simple, just iwconfig eth0 key "hex wepkey" essid "essid" and ifup eth0 Jan 16 21:11:19 sakkara: but how to easly detect, if some network is wep powered? Jan 16 21:14:09 detect wep/wpa powered networks? iwlist scan shows that Jan 16 21:14:38 mw|: but in elegant way in python ;) Jan 16 21:15:38 mw! Jan 16 21:17:08 dos1: pyiw? Jan 16 21:17:33 python I don't know Jan 16 21:18:01 bet there exists python extensions that exposes the WLAN user-space api Jan 16 21:18:03 :-p Jan 16 21:18:16 EXPOSURE Jan 16 21:18:44 yes, i know Jan 16 21:18:59 but i know how to detect, if there is an open network or WPA Jan 16 21:19:08 but i don't know how to detect WEP yet :x Jan 16 21:20:39 and if you let the user choose? so you can also connect to hidden ssid Jan 16 21:20:53 passive scans ftw Jan 16 21:20:53 dos1: you can look at wicd. It's written in python afair. Jan 16 21:21:20 active phasers ftw. :> Jan 16 21:21:43 sakkara: yes, i will Jan 16 21:26:58 Joerg, I summon you! Jan 16 21:30:30 bumbl: 5009 :-) Jan 16 21:37:19 mrmoku: hehe it get's nearer and nearer Jan 16 21:53:08 Dave, you called my name.... Jan 16 21:54:39 *shrug* Jan 16 22:19:50 YES Jan 16 22:19:53 I did :) Jan 16 23:20:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2aecfc534145 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ogpsd: fix typo in header Jan 17 01:25:38 I found one more funny today: activating GSM saves about 40mW. < Oh god, that's hilarious Jan 17 01:26:14 _activating_ gsm saves power? Jan 17 01:27:16 Yeah... I know, wtf.. Jan 17 01:28:13 that....seems....rediculous Jan 17 01:38:46 Mr. Anton :) Jan 17 01:39:00 Sargun, wtf!? Jan 17 01:39:14 Look on the hardware ml Jan 17 01:39:23 eww Jan 17 01:39:24 I'd rather not Jan 17 01:39:28 I've had enough of it! :P Jan 17 01:42:40 What? Sick of the moaning and whining, and the predictable response from the foam-at-the-mouth Openmoko fanboys? Jan 17 01:42:58 Who could get tired of that soap opera? Jan 17 01:43:01 :P Jan 17 01:43:47 bah! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 17 02:59:56 2009