**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 20 02:59:57 2009
Jan 20 04:14:18 * vininim is going to try cross-lfs on freerunner
Jan 20 08:49:21 <mw|> e using 20% cpu on 2.6.28, considered to test 2.6.28.1 (including git patch 62568510b8e2679cbc331d7de10ea9ba81ae8b3d)
Jan 20 08:51:56 <Ainulindale> mw|: what's weird is that if you change the theme
Jan 20 08:51:59 <Ainulindale> it goes away
Jan 20 08:52:13 <Ainulindale> strace told me it was stating the default theme on and on
Jan 20 09:00:59 <mw|> Ainulindale: true, just throwing out suggestions
Jan 20 09:01:13 <mw|> I can try to investigate some myself the next days
Jan 20 09:01:20 <mw|> just needs to reflash my moko
Jan 20 09:01:53 <beniwtv>  hi all... so I still have not been able to solve the compilation problem of dbus-hlid :( Maybe I need to update my valac? Anyone from the fso team can comment on this error: "src/obj.vala:51.9-51.48: error: class creation methods only allow property assignment statements<new line>debug( "introspection object created" );" ?
Jan 20 09:02:12 <mrmoku> last thing I tried yesterday was a manually compiled, most current andy-tracking kernel with defaultconfig
Jan 20 09:02:15 <mrmoku> no go :(
Jan 20 09:03:19 <mw|> I don't know vala
Jan 20 09:03:29 <mw|> mrmoku: okey
Jan 20 09:03:43 <beniwtv> mw|: me neither :(
Jan 20 09:04:06 <mw|> got a link for a cool gtk module today: http://chipx86.github.com/gtkparasite/
Jan 20 09:04:54 <beniwtv> mw|: seems handy
Jan 20 09:06:03 <beniwtv> My valac version is 0.3.4 so I think that's the problem. According to vala's home, it's now at 0.5.6 :/
Jan 20 09:08:44 <mw|> find the valac*.bb file, and try to write a version for 0.5.6 of it
Jan 20 09:09:06 <mw|> if that works, file a bugzilla request for it on OE
Jan 20 09:09:41 <beniwtv> mw: I'm currently installing valac 0.5.6, to see if that works first
Jan 20 09:10:23 <beniwtv> using debian anyway, so the bug report should go there :)
Jan 20 10:04:08 <Ainulindale> Where's raster, gnmgmngn
Jan 20 10:07:50 <spaetz> mmh, new SHR image works fine. I can't connect via wifi now, eth0 "no wireless extensions" which is bullshit
Jan 20 10:07:56 <spaetz> rebooting...
Jan 20 10:09:17 <Ainulindale> that's mostly kernel
Jan 20 10:12:30 <spaetz> omnewrotate is kind of fine, although when turning it to the left the screen goes all white and unresponsive, need to investigate
Jan 20 10:13:05 <spaetz> I think, I'll need to hack an app that allows to execute (series of) command line strings with a finger press
Jan 20 10:13:17 <Ainulindale> There is already one
Jan 20 10:13:20 <spaetz> to efficiently start all the stuff 
Jan 20 10:13:22 <Ainulindale> Can't recall its name though
Jan 20 10:13:23 <spaetz> Ahh, there is?
Jan 20 10:13:27 <Ainulindale> I think Hire told me about it
Jan 20 10:13:38 <spaetz> where would I start looking around, is opkg.org any good?
Jan 20 10:13:44 <spaetz> Hire: ping
Jan 20 10:13:45 <Hire> uhm?
Jan 20 10:13:46 <Ainulindale> OM Wiki
Jan 20 10:13:49 <Hire> i am here
Jan 20 10:14:04 <spaetz> do you know about an app that allows to configure command line commands?
Jan 20 10:14:19 <spaetz> to be executed with a finger press or somesuch?
Jan 20 10:14:36 <Hire> ah...
Jan 20 10:14:42 <spaetz> otherwise it will be a good execise to get going (programming in python and etk or gtk)
Jan 20 10:15:10 <Ainulindale> spaetz: there are tons of other stuff to do you know :-)
Jan 20 10:15:43 <Hire> http://www.opkg.org/package_28.html?
Jan 20 10:15:46 <Hire> shortom?
Jan 20 10:15:54 <Hire> NOOO GTKKKK
Jan 20 10:15:56 <Hire> NOOO
Jan 20 10:16:03 <Hire> use python and elementary
Jan 20 10:16:10 <Hire> for the chuthulu sake
Jan 20 10:16:26 <spaetz> cool, thanks. just what I was looking for
Jan 20 10:16:34 * spaetz googles elementary
Jan 20 10:16:39 <Hire> no
Jan 20 10:16:44 <Hire> spanks morphis
Jan 20 10:16:49 <Hire> and talk with him :)
Jan 20 10:16:59 <Hire> or dos1 / yoo
Jan 20 10:17:01 <Hire> *yoyo
Jan 20 10:18:02 <Hire> ohh another french guy
Jan 20 10:18:56 <Ainulindale> Hey ptitjes 
Jan 20 10:18:58 <Ainulindale> Two things
Jan 20 10:19:21 <Ainulindale> First) Don't ever use goto in my code or I'll kill you
Jan 20 10:19:31 <Ainulindale> Second) Read the docs! :-)
Jan 20 10:20:38 <Hire> nooo
Jan 20 10:20:39 <alphaone> heh
Jan 20 10:20:41 <ptitjes> hello
Jan 20 10:20:50 <Hire> ptitjes use the goto !!!
Jan 20 10:20:52 <ptitjes> :)
Jan 20 10:20:54 <Hire> the goto!!!
Jan 20 10:20:59 <Hire> goto is a GOOD thing
Jan 20 10:21:22 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Please add exceptions in C and you won't never be unhappy of my code
Jan 20 10:21:43 <spaetz> darn: eth0      no wireless extensions.
Jan 20 10:21:46 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: Nah! I don't want goto! :-)
Jan 20 10:21:51 <Ainulindale> goto is bad! goto is evil!
Jan 20 10:21:52 <spaetz> even after a reboot with the latest SHR unstable image
Jan 20 10:21:56 <Ainulindale> No matter what mwester will whine about :-)
Jan 20 10:22:04 <Ainulindale> spaetz: check modules
Jan 20 10:22:16 <ptitjes> I miss exceptions and I'm used to them, so sorry I'm not used to nasty C reutrn error code
Jan 20 10:22:16 <ptitjes> and try to do with it
Jan 20 10:22:22 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: no problem I was joking
Jan 20 10:22:26 <Ainulindale> I fixed it though
Jan 20 10:22:32 <Ainulindale> Though you used sqlite3_free
Jan 20 10:22:36 <Ainulindale> And you shouldn't have
Jan 20 10:22:43 <ptitjes> arf
Jan 20 10:22:45 <Ainulindale> It's an explicit free for sqlite3_malloc'ed stuff
Jan 20 10:22:54 <Ainulindale> Had you read the doc for the errmsg getter
Jan 20 10:22:55 <ptitjes> like errmsg
Jan 20 10:23:00 <Ainulindale> You would have seen that it frees itself
Jan 20 10:23:14 <Ainulindale> And that you can't use sqlite3_free for that kind of stuff
Jan 20 10:23:23 <ptitjes> arf
Jan 20 10:23:33 <Ainulindale> That's what was triggering a segfault in ophonekitd
Jan 20 10:23:35 <Ainulindale> I removed it
Jan 20 10:23:36 <Ainulindale> Next issue is
Jan 20 10:23:39 <ptitjes> BTW for the database lock
Jan 20 10:23:41 <Ainulindale> Sometimes the database is busy
Jan 20 10:23:42 <Ainulindale> not locked
Jan 20 10:23:44 <mw|> *pets Ainulindale* :-)
Jan 20 10:23:50 <ptitjes> same thing
Jan 20 10:23:58 <ptitjes> can someone that has this use fuser
Jan 20 10:23:58 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I know, but the error code is different
Jan 20 10:24:06 <Ainulindale> I checked with TAsn 
Jan 20 10:24:11 <ptitjes> to tell me who is using the db
Jan 20 10:24:13 <Ainulindale> and no reason that pyphonelog would modify the db
Jan 20 10:24:19 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I checked
Jan 20 10:24:25 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: only pyphonelog was using it
Jan 20 10:24:33 <Ainulindale> so either there's a way to open "read only" a db
Jan 20 10:24:37 <Ainulindale> or something went wrong
Jan 20 10:24:39 <Ainulindale> terribly wrong
Jan 20 10:24:41 <Ainulindale> utterly wrong
Jan 20 10:24:46 <ptitjes> pfff
Jan 20 10:24:47 <Ainulindale> like mw| walking around in his panties
Jan 20 10:25:02 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: how's life, apart from that?
Jan 20 10:25:13 <ptitjes> heu day free today :)
Jan 20 10:25:13 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I'm going to a concert in march you might be interested by
Jan 20 10:25:22 <mw|> that might be very disturbing, even for a phone
Jan 20 10:25:25 <Ainulindale> (free concert, at maison radio france)
Jan 20 10:25:32 <ptitjes> (no please no don't say ahh cool you'll code so... ;))
Jan 20 10:25:36 <Ainulindale> (orchestral versions of Yes, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Zappa, King Crimson)
Jan 20 10:25:47 <ptitjes> Nice ! free ?
Jan 20 10:25:50 <Ainulindale> yep
Jan 20 10:26:03 <Ainulindale> it's a saturday
Jan 20 10:26:05 <ptitjes> can I come too ?
Jan 20 10:26:17 <Ainulindale> your choice
Jan 20 10:26:34 <Ainulindale> You still have your CDs at home by the way
Jan 20 10:26:45 <mw|> just asked my co-worked I share office with about sqlite... he used it before a year ago or so
Jan 20 10:26:47 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I'll commit projects in the git not project content. Is that OK ?*
Jan 20 10:26:52 <Ainulindale> I scratched them with a knife to be sure they were not readable anymore
Jan 20 10:27:07 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: what do you mean?
Jan 20 10:27:18 <mw|> if two apps do stuff to the db at once, one of the apps will be blocked, and the app that gets "busy" signal is responsible to retry later itself
Jan 20 10:27:22 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Ouh yeah CDs, I must see you to talk either way
Jan 20 10:27:31 <mw|> (it uses flock())
Jan 20 10:27:38 <Ainulindale> mw|: Ok, that's good to know
Jan 20 10:27:44 <Ainulindale> And easy to fix.
Jan 20 10:27:55 <ptitjes> mw|: no I think I should use sqlite_set_busy_timeout()
Jan 20 10:28:07 <mw|> and RO access probably locks the file, to avoid file changes while it queries and stuff
Jan 20 10:28:08 <ptitjes> :)
Jan 20 10:28:25 <Ainulindale> mw|: anyway
Jan 20 10:28:32 <Ainulindale> Our main problems today are with distribution
Jan 20 10:28:38 <Ainulindale> We can't have a stable kernel, stable e
Jan 20 10:28:41 <Ainulindale> It's hell
Jan 20 10:28:48 <mw|> either play with timeouts, or retry 3-4-5 times with some sleep between
Jan 20 10:28:50 <Ainulindale> I need people to regularly test e
Jan 20 10:29:10 <mw|> Ainulindale: I'll see if I can look at E tonight
Jan 20 10:29:19 <mw|> (just need to flash my phone)
Jan 20 10:29:45 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Isn't this the reason of the fixed rev. thing ?
Jan 20 10:30:04 <Ainulindale> Yes but right now we have a problem with e
Jan 20 10:30:11 <mw|> I don't know much about e internals, but I'll find out (also 2.6.28 had a inotify bug aswell I saw in the changelogs)
Jan 20 10:30:15 <Ainulindale> In fact two problems
Jan 20 10:30:24 <Ainulindale> if we don't use 2.6.28 we have problems with frameworkd
Jan 20 10:30:32 <Ainulindale> if we use 2.6.28 we have problems with e
Jan 20 10:30:41 <ptitjes> oula!
Jan 20 10:30:44 <Ainulindale> the current rev of e doesn't handle dictionnary properly
Jan 20 10:30:45 <mw|> 2.6.28 gives cpu-load
Jan 20 10:30:46 <ptitjes> too bad!
Jan 20 10:30:52 <Ainulindale> ulterior revs give segfaults in elementary
Jan 20 10:30:54 <mw|> (which is bad, but not a crash-stopper)
Jan 20 10:31:04 <Ainulindale> former revs give no UTF8
Jan 20 10:31:27 <ptitjes> what does raster thinks about it ?
Jan 20 10:31:39 <mw|> Ainulindale: are you able to get a backtrace of the segfault and pastebin it? (and leave me a PM about it)?
Jan 20 10:31:40 <Ainulindale> He thinks he's not here
Jan 20 10:31:45 <ptitjes> :)
Jan 20 10:31:48 <Ainulindale> mw|: no but mrmoku did
Jan 20 10:31:55 <mw|> *ping mrmoku*
Jan 20 10:33:00 <mw|> and for work, I need to find out what the heck X2 and Y2 caps actually are, besides from beeing caps
Jan 20 10:37:32 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: for the git thing, I meant I have two projects yet, libxsb-frontend the XSB vala front-end (that is a C wrapper for around their XSB C API and a vala vapi), and ologicd the deamon itself
Jan 20 10:37:40 <mw|> that are for safety *aha* how much burst voltage can they survive:-p
Jan 20 10:38:28 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Would you have some time (some hours) these days to help me do the two bb recipe (native and host) for XSB ?
Jan 20 10:41:13 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: no problem
Jan 20 10:41:40 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: no problem for the multi-project git ?
Jan 20 10:41:55 <Ainulindale> for the bb recipes
Jan 20 10:42:02 <Ainulindale> for the projects I'll add projects when you'll request them
Jan 20 10:42:15 <ptitjes> arf no please!
Jan 20 10:42:39 <Ainulindale> No, several projects are necessary
Jan 20 10:42:40 <ptitjes> would like that to be in the same git
Jan 20 10:42:44 <Ainulindale> As they are nothing to do
Jan 20 10:42:52 <Ainulindale> (with each other)
Jan 20 10:43:07 <ptitjes> I can open a sourceforge the frontend stuff
Jan 20 10:43:47 <Ainulindale> Nah, let put that on shr git
Jan 20 10:43:51 <Ainulindale> It'll be better IMHO
Jan 20 10:43:56 <ptitjes> but anyway I would like to have modules that use ologicd but not be in the source of ologicd
Jan 20 10:44:00 <Ainulindale> Better visibility
Jan 20 10:44:10 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I'll add repositories
Jan 20 10:44:15 <Ainulindale> Seriously it's better this way
Jan 20 10:44:17 <Ainulindale> Trust me for once =)
Jan 20 10:44:22 <ptitjes> but this unmanageable for me!
Jan 20 10:44:26 <Ainulindale> Why ?
Jan 20 10:44:52 <ptitjes> too much clones
Jan 20 10:44:59 <Ainulindale> ?!
Jan 20 10:45:10 <Ainulindale> I don't think you know how to use git properly
Jan 20 10:45:35 <ptitjes> THAT is an euphemism!! ;)
Jan 20 10:45:41 <ptitjes> anyway
Jan 20 10:45:57 <ptitjes> you have multiple projects in shr-apps git!
Jan 20 10:46:14 <ptitjes> and ologicd and modules for ologicd are correlated
Jan 20 10:46:49 <ptitjes> aren't they ?
Jan 20 10:46:50 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: yes we have multiple projects in shr-apps and it 's bad
Jan 20 10:46:59 <ptitjes> pfffffff
Jan 20 10:47:00 <Ainulindale> for ologicd and modules I don't care
Jan 20 10:47:04 <Ainulindale> for ologicd and libs this is different
Jan 20 10:47:12 <Ainulindale> the XSB thingy should be separated
Jan 20 10:47:23 <Ainulindale> for the modules, it has a meaning although it should be two repos, ologicd and ologicd-modules
Jan 20 10:47:29 <Ainulindale> But it's a detail
Jan 20 10:50:57 <ptitjes> 2sec work phone
Jan 20 10:53:03 <ptitjes> back
Jan 20 10:53:15 <ptitjes> working on saturday :)
Jan 20 10:54:48 <ptitjes> let me explain my problem: I use Eclipse
Jan 20 10:55:15 <ptitjes> and Eclipse does only have projects at the root of the workspace
Jan 20 10:55:47 <ptitjes> so either all the projects are in separated gits or they are all in the same git
Jan 20 10:56:05 <ptitjes> else I would have .git/ collisions
Jan 20 10:56:15 <ptitjes> I believe
Jan 20 10:56:50 <Ainulindale> No.
Jan 20 10:56:54 <Ainulindale> I'll explain that later on.
Jan 20 10:56:58 <Ainulindale> For now I'm going to eat
Jan 20 10:59:12 <mrmoku> mw|: pong
Jan 20 11:00:18 <ptitjes> have a nice lunch
Jan 20 11:02:29 <Hire> arh
Jan 20 11:02:34 <Hire> the FR is so slow !
Jan 20 11:02:37 <Hire> fucking jesus
Jan 20 11:02:49 <mrmoku> e sucking all its power ;)
Jan 20 11:03:00 <Hire> we need xorg
Jan 20 11:03:03 <Hire> and not kdrive
Jan 20 11:03:37 <ptitjes> Hire: +1
Jan 20 11:03:43 <mrmoku> Hire: +2
Jan 20 11:03:47 <ptitjes> :)
Jan 20 11:03:48 <lindi-> Hire: xorg with fbdev is much slower
Jan 20 11:03:58 <ptitjes> gl! gl!
Jan 20 11:03:59 <Hire> why fb?
Jan 20 11:04:04 <Hire> we have a driver for xorg
Jan 20 11:04:07 <Hire> we can use it 
Jan 20 11:04:12 <lindi-> Hire: it is not in debian
Jan 20 11:04:20 <Hire> debian?
Jan 20 11:04:21 <lindi-> that's why fb
Jan 20 11:04:26 <Hire> we are on OE
Jan 20 11:04:30 <beniwtv> mickey|zzZZzz: ping?
Jan 20 11:04:38 <lindi-> Hire: i'm not :)
Jan 20 11:04:53 <Hire> we can try to build an experimental SHR with xorg + driver
Jan 20 11:05:06 <Hire> and see how much is slow 
Jan 20 11:05:24 <ptitjes> Hire: the driver you speak about is xglamo, right ?
Jan 20 11:05:31 <ptitjes> I though it was not stable...
Jan 20 11:06:12 <Hire> we can test it :D
Jan 20 11:06:15 <Hire> yes, is it
Jan 20 11:07:09 <beniwtv> lindi-: hey lindi, remember the d-bus issue you sent me the conf file? It seems there are much bigger problems to solve than just adding that line :/ For some reason, I can't get the Display or Leds or bat interfaces, even not with dbus-hlid. Hope mickey is around soon so I can check with him :) 
Jan 20 11:07:37 <lindi-> beniwtv: fortunately I don't use those interfaces :-)
Jan 20 11:08:11 <lindi-> Hire: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xglamo.git;a=summary should have it?
Jan 20 11:10:08 <lindi-> git.openmoko.org does not respond
Jan 20 11:10:15 <lindi-> $ git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6
Jan 20 11:10:15 <lindi-> fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
Jan 20 11:10:15 <lindi-> fetch-pack from 'git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git' failed.
Jan 20 11:10:43 <Hire> yes, that
Jan 20 11:11:46 <ptitjes> TAsn: ping
Jan 20 11:11:52 <lindi-> Hire: unless you have a copy it doesn't seem to be available right now :)
Jan 20 11:16:01 <mrmoku> Hire: are you sure there is a recipe for xglamo in OE?
Jan 20 11:21:17 <Hire> no
Jan 20 11:21:22 <Hire> doesn't exist
Jan 20 11:21:30 <Hire> lindi-: i don't know
Jan 20 11:27:40 <Hire> however we can give a try ...
Jan 20 11:27:54 <lindi-> Hire: not without the source :)
Jan 20 11:28:45 <Hire> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/gitweb?p=xglamo.git;a=tree
Jan 20 11:28:49 <Hire> go on "snap"
Jan 20 11:28:58 <Hire> *snaphost
Jan 20 11:29:05 <Hire> arrrhrahrehfdae
Jan 20 11:29:08 <Hire> SNAPSHOT
Jan 20 11:29:10 <Hire> damned
Jan 20 11:29:31 <lindi-> Hire: how?
Jan 20 11:29:47 <Hire> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/gitweb?p=xglamo.git;a=snapshot;h=HEAD
Jan 20 11:30:13 <lindi-> Hire: does that return data for you?
Jan 20 11:30:34 <Hire> yes
Jan 20 11:30:35 <Hire> you have to wait
Jan 20 11:31:05 <lindi-> a year? ;)
Jan 20 11:31:15 <Hire> it seems so :D
Jan 20 11:32:41 <lindi-> Hire: it starts with <!DOCTYPE 
Jan 20 11:34:03 <Hire> sounds bad
Jan 20 11:34:20 <Hire> ainulindale, mrmoku: I find an error on /etc/opkg
Jan 20 11:35:11 <Hire> someone has put two slash ( // ) in every url 
Jan 20 11:35:26 <mrmoku> Hire: you mean armv4-feed.conf?
Jan 20 11:35:33 <Hire> yes
Jan 20 11:35:48 <mrmoku> Hire: // does not disturb :P
Jan 20 11:37:14 <Hire> Collected errors:
Jan 20 11:37:14 <Hire>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for navit:
Jan 20 11:37:14 <Hire> 	 *  gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) * 
Jan 20 11:37:16 <Hire> why? 
Jan 20 11:37:23 <Hire> doesn't exist on shr repo?
Jan 20 11:38:00 <Hire> mirko-paroli: hi, the navit team is interesting on integrate navit into paroli for a default navigator on om2009
Jan 20 11:38:17 <mirko-paroli> Hire, sounds nice
Jan 20 11:38:18 <Ainulindale> Hire: because we didn't recompile it recently
Jan 20 11:38:21 <Ainulindale> Hire: going to
Jan 20 11:38:27 <mirko-paroli> Hire, I am all in favor and ears :)
Jan 20 11:38:50 <Hire> mirko-paroli: do you want to talk with them? join into #navit and talk with cp15 and kazer
Jan 20 11:39:04 <mirko-paroli> Hire, will do thx
Jan 20 11:39:09 <Hire> nice :)
Jan 20 11:39:24 <Hire> because I think a nav app for openmoko is pretty important 
Jan 20 11:39:25 <mw|> mrmoku: see PM
Jan 20 11:39:52 <Hire> and for now navit is the best opensource nav that exist
Jan 20 11:42:24 <Ainulindale> Hire: currently building navit
Jan 20 11:42:47 <Hire> i have a problem with the dep
Jan 20 11:42:53 <Hire> i have the right rev of navit :)
Jan 20 11:44:25 <Ainulindale> Hire: you won't have if we don't build it in our repo
Jan 20 11:44:34 <Ainulindale> here it's rev 1757
Jan 20 11:44:36 <Ainulindale> Better rev?
Jan 20 11:45:10 <Hire> wow, it is pretty old
Jan 20 11:45:16 <Hire> 1957 is the lastest
Jan 20 11:45:33 <Hire> 1959 sorry :D
Jan 20 11:46:22 <Ainulindale> Ok
Jan 20 11:48:08 <spaetz> are there docs for python-elementary? or examples?
Jan 20 11:48:41 <spaetz> I'm browsing the source right now, but I'm a but lost about how and where to start
Jan 20 11:48:55 <Hire> spank morphis
Jan 20 11:49:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku?
Jan 20 11:49:04 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 20 11:49:25 <mrmoku> (have to pick up my son very soon now)
Jan 20 11:50:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: can I update OE on the buildhost and repatch it?
Jan 20 11:50:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep... I updated the patches yesterday
Jan 20 11:50:36 <mrmoku> so just do an make update :-)
Jan 20 11:50:37 <Ainulindale> Cool, thanks a lot (again)
Jan 20 11:50:38 <mrmoku> -n
Jan 20 11:52:11 <Ainulindale> You regenerated e too based on the rev online?
Jan 20 11:53:44 <spaetz> Hire: ok will contact him
Jan 20 12:25:19 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I just set the rev in git... did not regenerate e
Jan 20 12:27:53 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Jan 20 12:34:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: just noticed... if I remove all modules (apart illume and settings) and restart x the cpu usage drops
Jan 20 12:34:44 <mrmoku> (have to eat now)
Jan 20 12:45:43 <Hire> i know 
Jan 20 12:45:46 <Hire> i am a little bitch
Jan 20 12:45:53 <Hire> but I need navit today :(
Jan 20 12:46:15 <Hire> but i don't find gtk fastscaling and I am a bit lazy to compile it
Jan 20 12:46:32 <Hire> and navit on the shr repo isn't avaiable 
Jan 20 12:47:46 <Ainulindale> Oh sorry forgot to regenerate package index
Jan 20 12:47:49 <Ainulindale> It's going now
Jan 20 12:48:13 <Hire> thx honey
Jan 20 12:48:41 <Ainulindale> Dolby, my little banana.
Jan 20 12:49:24 <Ainulindale> There it is
Jan 20 12:50:00 <Hire> little but thick
Jan 20 13:07:06 <Weiss> Hire: you know the difference between normal GTK and GTK-fastscaling?
Jan 20 13:07:06 <mw|> mrmoku: try to reboot aswell, just to be sure the cpu drops
Jan 20 13:07:14 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: looks like its the battery module
Jan 20 13:07:18 <mrmoku> mw|: rebooting now
Jan 20 13:07:48 <beniwtv> mrmoku: I observed that too... If I enable the bat module, CPU goes havoc :-/
Jan 20 13:07:50 <mw|> GTK+-fastscaling is on its way out I think, since the patch isn't needed yet (patch was for fixing a theme issue?)
Jan 20 13:08:03 <mw|> s/yet/anymore/
Jan 20 13:08:03 <bzzbot> mw| meant: GTK+-fastscaling is on its way out I think, since the patch isn't needed anymore (patch was for fixing a theme issue?)
Jan 20 13:08:09 <Weiss> Hire: it's just the same, but with a cheaper default method for scaling images. you should be fine just to force the dependencies..
Jan 20 13:08:28 <Weiss> hmmm... i assumed it was just to speed things up a bit
Jan 20 13:08:43 <mw|> I too until I saw some messages about the theming issue
Jan 20 13:08:53 <mw|> think I might have been on the shr-devel ML
Jan 20 13:09:27 <Weiss> http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/gtk%2B/gtk%2B-fastscaling_2.10.14.bb;h=cb79d66301c9673638e0044f51a853e4ae222a0a;hb=HEAD
Jan 20 13:10:49 <Weiss> where the only difference is this: http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/gtk%2B/files/lower-quality-scaling-in-pixbuf-engine.patch;h=6cf1c14991feab6a5959bce15e7a172503daccf0;hb=HEAD
Jan 20 13:11:17 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03sadov 07zhone * rbf214cdf857e 10/src/zhone: localization support for zhone
Jan 20 13:11:18 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r600a7471f2af 10/src/zhone: make zhone more usable for xgettext
Jan 20 13:11:19 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r20faecc28e46 10/data/locale/ (update.sh zhone.pot): add simple script to update translation files and generate new pot file
Jan 20 13:11:20 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03sadov 07zhone * reed2edc112b3 10/data/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.po: add russian localization
Jan 20 13:11:22 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf5963dbb87ad 10/setup.py: update setup.py to install the .mo file
Jan 20 13:11:59 <mw|> If you ask me, gtk+-fastscaling.bb should never have been created.. Should have been a local.conf option for selecting this patch in or not
Jan 20 13:12:21 <mw|> and all packages would depend on gtk+, always, no matter who builds them
Jan 20 13:13:14 <Weiss> yes, i think i'd agree with that
Jan 20 13:13:39 <mw|> see what you can find of bugreports about it on OE?
Jan 20 13:13:44 <mw|> (and probably shr)
Jan 20 13:20:07 <mrmoku> reboot ---> cpu usage up again :(
Jan 20 13:21:59 <mw|> what listens on dbus btw ??
Jan 20 13:22:12 <mw|> ConsoleKit?
Jan 20 13:23:16 <mrmoku> frameworkd?
Jan 20 13:24:22 <tordo> good morning!
Jan 20 13:25:13 <mrmoku> tordo: interested to do some debugging? :-)
Jan 20 13:25:34 <mw|> mrmoku: got yourself a victim?
Jan 20 13:25:42 <tordo> mrmoku: sure!
Jan 20 13:25:45 <tordo> i'm bored
Jan 20 13:26:00 <mrmoku> have you flashed the new unstable?
Jan 20 13:26:26 <tordo> the 19.jan one?
Jan 20 13:26:30 <mrmoku> we have a problem with enlightenment consuming 20% cpu without any reason
Jan 20 13:26:36 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 20 13:26:41 <tordo> yes, and yes i heard about that
Jan 20 13:26:55 <tordo> software_16 worksforme(tm) thogh
Jan 20 13:26:57 <tordo> though*
Jan 20 13:29:45 <mrmoku> tordo: even after you restarted x?
Jan 20 13:30:33 <tordo> 2 sec
Jan 20 13:30:38 <tordo> gotta connect my shizzle
Jan 20 13:31:23 <tordo> oh,ok, it's back at 20%
Jan 20 13:36:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: confirmed for the battery module?
Jan 20 13:37:12 <mrmoku> no :(
Jan 20 13:37:33 <mrmoku> after reboot it was up again
Jan 20 13:38:11 <mw|> I just feel it itches in my fingers, at work with no moko
Jan 20 13:38:21 <mw|> and I love to play with strace, gdb, etc
Jan 20 13:38:22 <mw|> :-p
Jan 20 13:38:40 <mrmoku> mw|: so tomorrow take it with you :P
Jan 20 13:40:34 <mw|> hehehe
Jan 20 13:40:47 <mw|> It has to be flashes etc. first
Jan 20 13:41:08 <mw|> (haven't done that since cristmast or something, and PIN dialog didn't work back then)
Jan 20 13:41:17 <mrmoku> if you're ashamed... hide it in your pocket ;)
Jan 20 13:43:17 <root_at> hey, i am using shr and i would like to know if i could use the angstrom repo? in the wiki is written that i shouldnt add a feed which is not for my distribution
Jan 20 13:43:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: the one thing bringing the cpu usage down is switching to SOFTWARE_16 :(
Jan 20 13:43:49 <Ainulindale> Nein
Jan 20 13:43:58 <Ainulindale> root_at: yep you shouldn't
Jan 20 13:44:03 <Ainulindale> you should ask us to add apps
Jan 20 13:44:25 <root_at> i just thought...cause the angstrom repo is much bigger
Jan 20 13:44:46 <root_at> i already wrote a ticket..but its not because of this ticket
Jan 20 13:45:04 <Ainulindale> what was the app?
Jan 20 13:45:17 <mrmoku> tordo: is cpu usage still up?
Jan 20 13:45:31 <tordo> yup
Jan 20 13:45:46 <root_at> Ainulindale: accelges for gestures, but i need libnotify for it
Jan 20 13:45:53 <tordo> it's lower than with SOFTWARE, but still 20%
Jan 20 13:45:53 <mrmoku> hmm, this is strange... I switched to SOFTWARE_16 and rebooted
Jan 20 13:46:03 <mrmoku> cpu usage is down to 0.something
Jan 20 13:46:08 <mrmoku> rebooted again... still down
Jan 20 13:46:32 <tordo> i haven't rebooted in a while
Jan 20 13:46:50 <root_at> Ainulindale: and more things, but he did only fail at this point...maybe he skipped the other, or the other are available
Jan 20 13:46:51 <mrmoku> tordo: are you looking at cpu usage of enlightenment only? or complete cpu usage?
Jan 20 13:47:02 <tordo> enlightenment
Jan 20 13:47:06 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 20 13:47:15 <tordo> could it be suspend related?
Jan 20 13:47:24 <mrmoku> (trying that now)
Jan 20 13:47:31 <Ainulindale> tordo: nope
Jan 20 13:47:33 <Ainulindale> as it's on boot
Jan 20 13:47:52 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no, I have low cpu usage with software_16 after boot
Jan 20 13:48:01 <mrmoku> tordo has high cpu usage after x restart
Jan 20 13:48:16 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: that's normal, I had a low cpu usage with software 16 every time
Jan 20 13:48:20 <tordo> i'll reboot now to see if it isn't just something i borked
Jan 20 13:48:39 <tordo> hum, then something is really weird  on my phone :D
Jan 20 13:48:40 <Ainulindale> root_at: I'll compile accelges immediately
Jan 20 13:48:58 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep, but tordo has high cpu usage with it
Jan 20 13:49:03 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you please add it to the feed?
Jan 20 13:49:05 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: then strace
Jan 20 13:49:09 <root_at> Ainulindale: nice, thanks in advance : )
Jan 20 13:49:37 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: accelges?
Jan 20 13:50:05 <tordo> accelometer gestures
Jan 20 13:50:35 <mrmoku> tordo: i figured that :-) if I have to add that to the feed was the question 
Jan 20 13:50:47 <tordo> ^^ 
Jan 20 13:50:55 <mrmoku> btw. after resume cpu usage is up to 10.7%
Jan 20 13:51:02 <mrmoku> (with software_16)
Jan 20 13:51:28 <mw|> mrmoku: hehe, with an usb-cable dangling around from my pocket :-p
Jan 20 13:51:38 <tordo> i removed ~/.e now
Jan 20 13:51:57 <mrmoku> mw|: make some photos... would like to see that :P
Jan 20 13:52:04 <mw|> is the cpu load while the "e first time welcome" dialog is up?
Jan 20 13:52:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: have to go for an hour... after that.
Jan 20 13:52:29 <tordo> what the.. now e CPU usage 0.7
Jan 20 13:52:31 <tordo> with SOFTWARE
Jan 20 13:53:18 <Ainulindale> tordo: that's normal
Jan 20 13:53:22 <Ainulindale> if you change the engine or the theme once
Jan 20 13:53:24 <Ainulindale> it does that
Jan 20 13:53:36 <tordo> ok..
Jan 20 13:54:02 <tordo> yes, after restart it's back up on the usage
Jan 20 13:54:38 <tordo> x restart*
Jan 20 13:56:18 <root_at> Ainulindale: btw the ticket number would be #270, its not necessary anymore when u compile the whole accelges
Jan 20 13:56:35 <Ainulindale> Ok.
Jan 20 14:04:17 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: ping
Jan 20 14:06:36 <joerg_42> ptitjes: got my mail?
Jan 20 14:07:09 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: pong
Jan 20 14:10:05 <ptitjes> joerg_42: arf no! but on what mail ?? (I have very hard junk filters! :))
Jan 20 14:10:19 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: okay for multiple repos...
Jan 20 14:10:21 <joerg_42> envelope
Jan 20 14:10:28 <joerg_42> snailmail
Jan 20 14:10:36 <ptitjes> joerg_42: oh! yes!!
Jan 20 14:10:43 <ptitjes> I forgot to thank you!
Jan 20 14:10:52 <Ainulindale> Pfff!
Jan 20 14:10:55 <ptitjes> Oh no I thanked you!
Jan 20 14:10:55 <Ainulindale> Impolite frog.
Jan 20 14:11:08 <ptitjes> And told you thanks alos for the spare battery
Jan 20 14:11:09 <joerg_42> :D
Jan 20 14:11:11 <root_at> is there any nice mail client for shr?
Jan 20 14:11:18 <Ainulindale> Spare battery? Lucky guy :-)
Jan 20 14:11:23 <ptitjes> :)
Jan 20 14:11:24 <Ainulindale> root_at: the one you'll tell me to compile
Jan 20 14:11:29 <Ainulindale> (I have 3 batteries)
Jan 20 14:11:43 <Ainulindale> (three phones...)
Jan 20 14:11:47 <Ainulindale> (I'd like a fixed GTA02 though)
Jan 20 14:12:03 <Ainulindale> joerg_42: by the way
Jan 20 14:12:11 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: joerg_42 sent me three caps and three resistors
Jan 20 14:12:11 <Ainulindale> I'm thinking to modify a tad your rework
Jan 20 14:12:15 <Ainulindale> To include a switch
Jan 20 14:12:26 <Ainulindale> to simulate a "I can't talk to you, bad reception" excuse
Jan 20 14:12:26 <ptitjes> 1 for you, 1 for Nicolaich, and 1 for...
Jan 20 14:12:27 <ptitjes> you
Jan 20 14:12:28 <root_at> actually i am not using any mail client, i use the webapp from gmail. but cant visit the site and i think on the freerunner would it be nicer with a mail client. is there no mail client yet?
Jan 20 14:13:58 <joerg_42> Ainulindale: do that in software. it's easy ;-)
Jan 20 14:14:40 <Ainulindale> joerg_42: A switch is fancier :-)
Jan 20 14:14:43 <ptitjes> joerg: on January, the 16th :
Jan 20 14:14:45 <ptitjes> (20:16:37) ptitjes: DocScrutinizer: Received the enveloppe! Thank you very much for the spare battery! (And nice card by the way :))
Jan 20 14:15:16 <joerg_42> duh?
Jan 20 14:15:47 <joerg_42> (card) I don't remember anymore
Jan 20 14:15:58 <ptitjes> business card :)
Jan 20 14:16:07 <ptitjes> your openmoko one
Jan 20 14:16:11 <joerg_42> ah, yeah :-/
Jan 20 14:16:12 <Ainulindale> Heh
Jan 20 14:16:46 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: are you jalous ? ;)
Jan 20 14:16:52 <Ainulindale> No :-)
Jan 20 14:16:57 <Ainulindale> I have naked pictures of joerg_42 
Jan 20 14:16:58 <ptitjes> we will do SHR cards!! ;)
Jan 20 14:17:18 <Ainulindale> well I already made my hierarchial boss scream with my linkedin page
Jan 20 14:17:23 <ptitjes> wow!!! is this a must have ?
Jan 20 14:17:28 <Ainulindale> I once added "Openmoko - SHR"
Jan 20 14:17:34 <Ainulindale> He thought I was doing two jobs
Jan 20 14:17:41 <Ainulindale> (kind of in fact :-p)
Jan 20 14:17:42 <joerg_42> ptitjes: he uses these pictures when he eaten something bad ;)
Jan 20 14:17:50 <Ainulindale> joerg_42: meh :-)
Jan 20 14:17:51 <ptitjes> héhéhéhé
Jan 20 14:18:12 <Ainulindale> joerg_42: I have other ways to feel sick
Jan 20 14:18:20 <joerg_42> lol
Jan 20 14:18:29 <joerg_42> me too
Jan 20 14:18:47 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: so can you open a libxsb-frontend.git ?
Jan 20 14:18:52 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
Jan 20 14:18:53 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 20 14:20:02 <Ainulindale> Added.
Jan 20 14:20:06 <ptitjes> gracias
Jan 20 14:20:09 <Ainulindale> Now you have to init and do the initialcommit
Jan 20 14:20:12 <ptitjes> will commit in the day
Jan 20 14:20:14 <Ainulindale> And I'll add it to everything else
Jan 20 14:20:24 <Ainulindale> Please commit now else I have to add myself to the group and commit a dumb file
Jan 20 14:20:28 <joerg_42> well if those cards were bigger, they'd last longer ;-)
Jan 20 14:20:30 <ptitjes> add it to everything else ?
Jan 20 14:20:35 <Ainulindale> joerg_42: meeeh :-)
Jan 20 14:20:42 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: gitweb among others
Jan 20 14:20:42 <ptitjes> okay
Jan 20 14:20:58 <ptitjes> 2 minutes
Jan 20 14:21:18 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: git init
Jan 20 14:21:32 <Ainulindale> git remote add origin git@git.shr-project.org:libxsb-frontend
Jan 20 14:21:41 <Ainulindale> git push origin master:refs/heads/master
Jan 20 14:21:51 <Ainulindale> and between the add and the push
Jan 20 14:21:51 <joerg_42> otoh the russian natural gas is coming again...
Jan 20 14:21:54 <Ainulindale> some commit
Jan 20 14:22:00 <Ainulindale> tell me when it's done
Jan 20 14:23:37 <ptitjes> Ainulindale the content of my libxsb-frontend must be at the root of the git, right ?
Jan 20 14:27:06 <alphaone> mickey|zzZZzz: Take a look at my last comment on http://trac.freesmartphone.org/attachment/ticket/316
Jan 20 14:27:25 <joerg_42> breaking news: "gas reaching EU". ok, I got friends who have special use for business cards ;-)
Jan 20 14:28:51 <AntonTakk> it should be fairly easy to compile my app on the fr is it only requires e libs at the moment, right?
Jan 20 14:29:05 <AntonTakk> s/is/since
Jan 20 14:29:29 <mw|> AntonTakk: I have "toolchain" that makes you run E stuff on host
Jan 20 14:29:44 <mw|> for debug.. framework-fake however is far far far from done on host
Jan 20 14:30:47 <AntonTakk> mw|: i'm still getting the gui layed out, not even ready to think about adding fso stuff in yet
Jan 20 14:31:15 <mw|> AntonTakk: I'll see if I can make a tar-ball of it during the evening that comes
Jan 20 14:31:33 <mw|> (Single Makefile that pulls down etk from subversion etc.)
Jan 20 14:32:05 <AntonTakk> my app doesn't use etk  :)
Jan 20 14:32:19 <Dave> :D
Jan 20 14:32:31 <AntonTakk> elm is much easier to use with edje it seems, thou it likes to stab you in the back atm  :)
Jan 20 14:33:50 <root_at> which mail client is used on the other distributions?
Jan 20 14:34:40 <yoyo> what gcc I need for shr?
Jan 20 14:34:56 <yoyo> angstrom-linux-gnueabi?
Jan 20 14:35:32 <root_at> opkg install gcc, or do u want to compile something on your pc for the freerunner?
Jan 20 14:35:41 <max_posedon> yoyo, you asks about cross-gcc? or what you need to have on your system?
Jan 20 14:36:27 <yoyo> I'm now writing a small app (c, sqllite) for store contacts for my yphonekitd
Jan 20 14:36:37 <yoyo> yyy I think cross-gcc 
Jan 20 14:37:05 <yoyo> arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi will by ok?
Jan 20 14:37:08 <root_at> isnt there a toolchain?
Jan 20 14:37:49 <Ainulindale> yoyo: yphonekitd?
Jan 20 14:37:59 <yoyo> http://d3p.pl/fb/?subPage=na_tapecie&tag=yphonekitd
Jan 20 14:38:25 <mw|> AntonTakk: I do have edje aswell :-p
Jan 20 14:39:42 <Ainulindale> yoyo: what's yphonekitd?
Jan 20 14:39:52 <Dave> mw!
Jan 20 14:39:55 <Ainulindale> a python replacement of ophonekitd?
Jan 20 14:39:58 <yoyo> yphonekitd is more stable then ophonekitd it is working from yesturday LT(~19:00) and no crash
Jan 20 14:40:14 <Ainulindale> yoyo: my ophonekitd has worked for a week without a hitch
Jan 20 14:40:23 <Ainulindale> So I don't think yours is stabler
Jan 20 14:40:25 <Ainulindale> And anyway
Jan 20 14:40:38 <Ainulindale> I don't think you quite got why ophonekitd has been built that way
Jan 20 14:40:41 <yoyo> ok Ainulindale: can you send sms? or add new contacts ? :)
Jan 20 14:41:02 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 20 14:41:05 <yoyo> hyyy
Jan 20 14:41:26 <yoyo> good for you :)
Jan 20 14:41:31 <root_at> but one thing sucks a lil bit...when someone calls i dont see a name, i just see the number.
Jan 20 14:41:38 <Ainulindale> yoyo: you're trying to build an UI which will be paroli like
Jan 20 14:41:43 <root_at> is this going to be improved?
Jan 20 14:41:50 <Ainulindale> yoyo: ophonekitd has for goal to be only the daemon
Jan 20 14:41:51 <Ainulindale> not the UI
Jan 20 14:42:03 <Ainulindale> it's there to handle things such as the gsm request process and to offer dbus services on top of frameworkd
Jan 20 14:42:15 <Ainulindale> If you want to do a custom UI, you shouldn't do it like that
Jan 20 14:42:20 <yoyo> yphonekitd it is a now 6 apps
Jan 20 14:42:37 <Ainulindale> So what?
Jan 20 14:42:43 <yoyo> one app as demon (replace for ophonekitd) and rest for gui handler
Jan 20 14:43:00 <joerg_42> eeeek
Jan 20 14:43:18 <Ainulindale> Sheesh, back to python discussions again
Jan 20 14:43:23 <root_at> Ainulindale: will paroli show names instead of numbers? and will it be possible to choose contacts in the sms app?
Jan 20 14:43:41 <Ainulindale> yoyo: you know we (at least I) won't include any kind of python daemon of that kind to handle telephony, right?
Jan 20 14:43:42 <yoyo> at present time it working for my ~x2 faster then openmoko-dialer and ophone-contacts
Jan 20 14:43:46 <Ainulindale> root_at: I don't know a thing about paroli
Jan 20 14:43:53 <Ainulindale> yoyo: I doubt that.
Jan 20 14:44:10 <yoyo> Ainulindale: I have gta01 you know that.
Jan 20 14:44:23 <yoyo> for my ophonekitd is unstalbe and unusable
Jan 20 14:44:25 <yoyo> sorry
Jan 20 14:44:33 <Ainulindale> yoyo: that's because you didn't try latest
Jan 20 14:44:37 <Ainulindale> there was kernel issues
Jan 20 14:44:39 <Ainulindale> which has been solved
Jan 20 14:44:45 <yoyo> ophonekitd ( I meand deamon and gui handlers)
Jan 20 14:44:53 <Ainulindale> before forking or replace things you should ask about your issues
Jan 20 14:44:54 <AntonTakk> mw|: is that script for the fr, or the desktop, or can it be run on either?
Jan 20 14:45:05 <Ainulindale> it's useless to start over and repeat things which has been done and are working
Jan 20 14:45:11 <Ainulindale> my ophonekitd doesn't crash
Jan 20 14:45:21 <Ainulindale> (not since I patched ptitjes's code anyway)
Jan 20 14:45:22 <mw|> AntonTakk: desktop
Jan 20 14:45:27 <joerg_42> yeah great! fix kernel issues in userland, by replacing arbitrary deamons
Jan 20 14:45:44 <joerg_42> :(
Jan 20 14:45:47 <yoyo> Ainulindale: you have luck 
Jan 20 14:45:58 <Ainulindale> yoyo: I don't have luck, I worked for that, and tested.
Jan 20 14:46:03 <Ainulindale> And I also have a GTA01, and it's working.
Jan 20 14:46:28 <Ainulindale> And I'd rather see you develop an UI library based on libframeworkd-phonegui for ophonekitd than forking it out of the blue
Jan 20 14:46:34 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I git-added wrong files how to remove them before commit ?
Jan 20 14:46:36 <Ainulindale> It's dumb to fork and fork and refork
Jan 20 14:46:36 <AntonTakk> mw|: and it just pulls in the sources for the libs and etc from oe/om and makes a contained build env?
Jan 20 14:46:39 <yoyo> Ainulindale: Ok. I writing yphonekitd for fun :)
Jan 20 14:46:39 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: no idea
Jan 20 14:46:52 <mw|> AntonTakk: correct
Jan 20 14:47:12 <Ainulindale> (I'm so tired by all of that)
Jan 20 14:47:16 <AntonTakk> cool, no need to wory about the e17 stuff installed on my desktop then  :)
Jan 20 14:47:38 <mw|> AntonTakk: and installes them in a given directory, and when you run them, you simply must add one thing. LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/of/install/lib myprog
Jan 20 14:47:48 <joerg_42> yoyo: ever thought about fixing ophonekitd for fun?
Jan 20 14:48:09 <AntonTakk> hrm
Jan 20 14:48:17 <mw|> but now its time for me to get home from work, find my GF and eat dinner :-p AntonTakk, Dave talk to you later :-)
Jan 20 14:48:23 <yoyo> ophonekitd is in C and I don't anderstend how patch it using bitbake
Jan 20 14:48:29 <AntonTakk> later mw
Jan 20 14:48:51 <mw|> (yoyo, bitbake -c devshell, and you can patch before it compiles)
Jan 20 14:49:05 <yoyo> mw|: :) ok 
Jan 20 14:49:17 <joerg_42> yoyo: great. so reinvent the wheel instead of learning how tires work
Jan 20 14:49:26 <yoyo> I have realy good fun writing it :)
Jan 20 14:49:31 <pwgen> <yoyo>: use an overlay, crate an patch , add it to the files part in .bb file 
Jan 20 14:50:17 <Ainulindale> yoyo: well I understand the fun of it
Jan 20 14:50:19 <Ainulindale> The problem is
Jan 20 14:50:30 <Ainulindale> If we do things for fun, we will fork and refork and never go to the end of one thing
Jan 20 14:50:34 <Ainulindale> And it seriously bothers me
Jan 20 14:50:48 <joerg_42> +1
Jan 20 14:50:57 <Ainulindale> And furthermore I think it would be better if you patched shr-settings to make it run faster
Jan 20 14:51:00 <Ainulindale> because right now
Jan 20 14:51:01 <Ainulindale> it's slow as hell
Jan 20 14:51:04 <Ainulindale> reaaaally slow
Jan 20 14:51:19 <yoyo> Ainulindale: I have filing bying throuing away with my gta01 
Jan 20 14:51:22 <yoyo> sory
Jan 20 14:51:23 <Ainulindale> I don't want to impose or to tell "do this or that"
Jan 20 14:51:34 <Ainulindale> but this is what I think
Jan 20 14:51:42 <Ainulindale> yoyo: I don't understand what you said
Jan 20 14:51:43 <yoyo> Me too
Jan 20 14:51:44 <Dave> Joerg :)
Jan 20 14:51:57 <joerg_42> hi Dave 
Jan 20 14:52:04 <P3T3_nb> hi all
Jan 20 14:52:05 <Dave> I think you guys should stop fighting :)
Jan 20 14:52:15 <P3T3_nb> i wpuld to ask for shr-setting and gprs
Jan 20 14:52:28 <yoyo> Ainulindale: I as a ovner gta01. think that gta01 users are on No.2 
Jan 20 14:52:55 <Zorkman> gta01's seem to be having the faster hardware though (no glamo :))
Jan 20 14:53:00 <Ainulindale> yoyo: No 2? No 2 what?
Jan 20 14:53:08 <Ainulindale> You think that GTA01 users are second in my priority list?
Jan 20 14:53:21 <yoyo> Ainulindale: yes
Jan 20 14:53:28 <Ainulindale> yoyo: then you're wrong
Jan 20 14:53:44 <Ainulindale> there are several people helping me with that, and if we kept latest kernel it's only for GTA01 users
Jan 20 14:53:46 <joerg_42> Ainulindale nagged for weeks to get a GTA01 to test
Jan 20 14:53:48 <Ainulindale> because it causes problem with GTA02
Jan 20 14:54:02 <Ainulindale> yoyo: seriously I would be glad to help you debugging ophonekitd or patching it
Jan 20 14:54:09 <yoyo> Ainulindale: about forks :) http://d3p.pl/fb/?&tag=shr&id=335&subPage=detale some screen lock ?
Jan 20 14:54:19 <Ainulindale> unfortunately I'm almost the only one to do stuff for GTA01 currently
Jan 20 14:54:22 <Ainulindale> (on SHR)
Jan 20 14:54:42 <Ainulindale> yoyo: argh
Jan 20 14:54:46 <Ainulindale> too many colours
Jan 20 14:54:48 <Ainulindale> it burns my eyes
Jan 20 14:54:59 <yoyo> Ainulindale:wallpapers changs
Jan 20 14:55:28 <Ainulindale> yoyo: we have no locking mechanism right now on SHR I'd be glad to have one but we don't know how to properly trigger it
Jan 20 14:55:31 <joerg_42> Ainulindale: eyecancer? :P
Jan 20 14:55:35 <Ainulindale> joerg_42: almost
Jan 20 14:55:44 <yoyo> Ainulindale: it is handler for my moko for rotate screen, low battery monit and suspend govurner
Jan 20 14:56:16 <Ainulindale> yoyo: Yes?
Jan 20 14:56:39 <yoyo> Ainulindale: my moko don't go sleep by it self
Jan 20 14:56:44 <yoyo> and don't lock
Jan 20 14:56:53 <yoyo> pylock make it for my :)
Jan 20 14:57:04 <Ainulindale> I don't understand what you're talking about
Jan 20 14:57:20 <yoyo> Ainulindale: sory for my spelling 
Jan 20 14:58:27 <Ainulindale> yoyo: don't be sorry it's just hard to communicate
Jan 20 14:58:32 <yoyo> back to coding
Jan 20 14:58:46 <Ainulindale> yoyo: we'll talk later when dos1 will be here he'll help us to understand each other
Jan 20 14:58:51 <Ainulindale> but please, work on shr-settings it's slooooow
Jan 20 14:59:14 <yoyo> Ainulindale: it will by
Jan 20 14:59:32 <yoyo> exposure work faster bicouse it make some trick on start
Jan 20 14:59:42 <Ainulindale> That is to say?
Jan 20 14:59:58 <yoyo> exposure forks on start and hide it self 
Jan 20 15:00:15 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: done
Jan 20 15:00:26 <Ainulindale> yoyo: yeah I know
Jan 20 15:00:27 <Ainulindale> yoyo: by the way
Jan 20 15:00:35 <Ainulindale> the plan with ophonekitd / lfp is to be able to preload screens
Jan 20 15:00:40 <yoyo> Ainulindale: shr-setting start when you pres ico
Jan 20 15:00:40 <Ainulindale> this hasn't been done yet but it's planned
Jan 20 15:01:06 <yoyo> Ainulindale: you have gta01 yes?
Jan 20 15:01:15 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 20 15:01:49 <yoyo> maby I will make you a dump of my rootfs and you will try use my "custome distro"?
Jan 20 15:02:38 <yoyo> Ainulindale: gta01 is your every day phone?
Jan 20 15:02:43 <Ainulindale> yoyo: nope, GTA02 is
Jan 20 15:02:51 <Ainulindale> yoyo: I'd rather you help me to make of SHR a good GTA01 distro
Jan 20 15:02:52 <yoyo> no comments
Jan 20 15:03:11 <Ainulindale> yoyo: though I planned to switch now and then between gta01 and gta02
Jan 20 15:03:17 <Ainulindale> (as a everyday phone)
Jan 20 15:03:59 <root_at> Ainulindale: i really dont want to bother you, but when will i be able to install accelges?
Jan 20 15:05:01 <joerg_42> Ainulindale: how about a coffebreak? ;P
Jan 20 15:05:19 <yoyo> Ainulindale: in what time zone you are?
Jan 20 15:05:44 <joerg_42> or share some porn-urls on #openmoko
Jan 20 15:07:06 <joerg_42> err #openmoko-finland or sth that was?
Jan 20 15:12:17 <Ainulindale> root_at: now
Jan 20 15:12:24 <Ainulindale> yoyo: paris
Jan 20 15:12:32 <yoyo> +0
Jan 20 15:13:02 <yoyo> Ainulindale: I will finish now myn sms handler :) 
Jan 20 15:16:02 <root_at> Ainulindale: how? opkg install accelges doesnt work
Jan 20 15:19:59 <Ainulindale> opkg update first
Jan 20 15:21:22 <root_at> i did, will try it again in 5 mins
Jan 20 15:21:28 <Dave> Joerg :P
Jan 20 15:22:20 <mirko-paroli> hi
Jan 20 15:22:37 <mirko-paroli> anyone here with embryo experience? and I don't mean in a biological sense :)
Jan 20 15:25:39 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: commited to libxsb-frontend and ologicd...
Jan 20 15:25:44 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: nice plan that screen preload thingie :-)
Jan 20 15:27:21 <mrmoku> bumbl|ill: what's up... got the flu?
Jan 20 15:30:22 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: so will you create repos for all the apps in the current shr.git ?
Jan 20 15:30:38 <spaetz> mmh, ok remove omnewrotate. After a few rotations it messes up the X-server.
Jan 20 15:30:59 <spaetz> back to using a shortcut for xrandr...
Jan 20 15:31:28 <bumbl|ill> mrmoku: kind of
Jan 20 15:31:41 <mrmoku> sorry for that
Jan 20 15:31:49 <bumbl|ill> thank you
Jan 20 15:32:39 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: Do you what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/m28f37ec8
Jan 20 15:33:27 <ptitjes> you updated dbus ? you have to update libssl
Jan 20 15:33:44 <bumbl|ill> fucking secondary immune defence should start working and the macrophages and granulocytes should start eating up
Jan 20 15:33:54 <bumbl|ill> the mess
Jan 20 15:34:01 <dolf1074> I just installed the unstable image and replaced libframeworkd-phonegui-efl with a new one (that I compiled)
Jan 20 15:34:20 <dolf1074> but will try to update libssl
Jan 20 15:34:41 <ptitjes> so there is chance that this disappear by updating lfd-pg-efl's deps
Jan 20 15:35:16 <mrmoku> bumbl|ill: put your freerunner on your breast, let I vibrate and sleep... maybe the stimulates the macrophages ;)
Jan 20 15:35:25 <mrmoku> s/the/that/
Jan 20 15:35:25 <bzzbot> mrmoku meant: bumbl|ill: put your freerunner on your breast, let I vibrate and sleep... maybe that stimulates the macrophages ;)
Jan 20 15:36:09 <bumbl|ill> mrmoku: i can't sleep at the moment (i slept two and a half hours straight now)
Jan 20 15:38:02 <bumbl|ill> so i have to take some placebos, do some unpostponable work and then i'll get my freerunner
Jan 20 16:18:55 <Ainulindale> root_at: hey
Jan 20 16:19:00 <Ainulindale> is accelges installable?
Jan 20 16:19:02 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: hey you
Jan 20 16:19:34 <root_at> Ainulindale: i found out why i wasnt able to install it. it was because i use testing
Jan 20 16:19:46 <root_at> i am trying to install it now, but i think it will get conflicts
Jan 20 16:19:52 <mickeyl> hi Ainulindale, how are things?
Jan 20 16:20:05 <Ainulindale> root_at: you should flash unstable
Jan 20 16:20:19 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: bad, we have issues everywhere
Jan 20 16:20:34 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: there's a conflict between e and 2.6.28 it seems
Jan 20 16:20:39 <Ainulindale> 2.6.28 is the harbringer of doom
Jan 20 16:20:45 <Ainulindale> (or andy tracking for that matter)
Jan 20 16:21:01 <root_at> Ainulindale: i will. but atm i need to study. i will switch to unstable this weekend, i will let you know if accelges works(if not anyone else tried it out)
Jan 20 16:21:02 <mickeyl> bummer
Jan 20 16:21:03 <mickeyl> which kind of confllict?
Jan 20 16:21:07 <Ainulindale> root_at: please do
Jan 20 16:21:12 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: 20-30% of cpu usage
Jan 20 16:21:23 <Ainulindale> it seems to stat very often the default theme
Jan 20 16:21:27 <bumbl|ill> can only be a conflict because om borked something
Jan 20 16:21:28 <Ainulindale> it doesn't happen with the old kernel
Jan 20 16:21:30 <mickeyl> interesting
Jan 20 16:21:35 <mickeyl> what does raster say?
Jan 20 16:21:38 <Ainulindale> so if you change the theme back and forth
Jan 20 16:21:41 <Ainulindale> it stops
Jan 20 16:21:48 <bumbl|ill> e17 + 2.6.28/2.6.29-rc1 works good
Jan 20 16:21:48 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: he said something like " "
Jan 20 16:21:53 <Ainulindale> (he isn't here)
Jan 20 16:21:58 <Ainulindale> bumbl|ill: not here.
Jan 20 16:22:09 <bumbl|ill> Ainulindale: talking about desktop
Jan 20 16:22:10 <Ainulindale> Something is wrong, and I don't know what.
Jan 20 16:22:14 <Ainulindale> Ah, yes, indeed.
Jan 20 16:22:20 <root_at> Ainulindale: as i thought...there is a conflict, because of gtk+
Jan 20 16:22:33 <Ainulindale> root_at: try unstable you'll be better off
Jan 20 16:22:35 <bumbl|ill> so it's not an upstream linux problem
Jan 20 16:22:37 <Ainulindale> This unstable will go into testing ASAP
Jan 20 16:23:08 <root_at> ok..fuck this studying..will flash it now
Jan 20 16:23:14 <Ainulindale> haha :-)
Jan 20 16:23:20 <Ainulindale> you can study and flash at the same time root_at 
Jan 20 16:24:05 <root_at> true, but its hard...when this new flashed freerunner lies next to me and i need to study, while i could install all the other things
Jan 20 16:24:25 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I'm bored with all these issues, we fix them and the day after, everything is down again :-/
Jan 20 16:24:48 <Ainulindale> And frameworkd with 2.6.24 won't work properly
Jan 20 16:25:12 <Ainulindale> (and there's a thread for you on community@)
Jan 20 16:25:15 <mickeyl> well, next time before starting a stabilization, you'd better branch
Jan 20 16:25:21 <mickeyl> we will probably do the same
Jan 20 16:25:26 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: branch what?
Jan 20 16:25:28 <mickeyl> oe
Jan 20 16:25:33 <mickeyl> what's wrong with frameworkd on .24?
Jan 20 16:25:40 <Ainulindale> power status and leds IIRC
Jan 20 16:25:43 <Ainulindale> mrmoku tested it
Jan 20 16:25:54 <mickeyl> surprising to me
Jan 20 16:25:58 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: branching OE is difficult, we don't have the manpower to do that
Jan 20 16:26:08 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: it could be interesting to do that as a group, FSO + SHR
Jan 20 16:26:13 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 20 16:26:16 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: but there are issues with e too
Jan 20 16:26:24 <Ainulindale> UTF8 is fixed in a specific revision
Jan 20 16:26:30 <Ainulindale> which borks the dictionnary
Jan 20 16:26:37 <Ainulindale> later revision are including elementary bugs
Jan 20 16:26:41 <Ainulindale> +s
Jan 20 16:26:50 <Ainulindale> So it's reaaally borring
Jan 20 16:26:51 <mrmoku> mickeyl: led was still on, even after I disconnected USB
Jan 20 16:27:53 <mrmoku> if you need some logs I can retry the older kernel
Jan 20 16:28:03 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1e3ead1575d8 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: otimed: add otimed to dbus config
Jan 20 16:28:03 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rc88301d177ea 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/ (clock.py otimed.py): otimed: set the system time directly (closes: #318)
Jan 20 16:30:34 <yoyo> yyy "org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS" signal IncomingMessage don't work :/
Jan 20 16:31:20 <Ainulindale> Yes it works
Jan 20 16:31:24 <Ainulindale> We're using it.
Jan 20 16:31:50 <yoyo> Ainulindale: "bus.add_signal_receiver(my_handler_network.gsm_sms_incomingMessage, dbus_interface="org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS",     signal_name="IncomingMessage")" nothing
Jan 20 16:32:40 <mickeyl> you are aware that you need to switch from SIM-buffering to direct mode?
Jan 20 16:32:40 <Ainulindale> SIM full?
Jan 20 16:32:43 <dcordes_> how can you view the history of one file in git (with differences) ?
Jan 20 16:32:59 <Ainulindale> dcordes_: using gitweb ? :-)
Jan 20 16:33:07 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: you were talking to yoyo?
Jan 20 16:33:13 <yoyo> Ainulindale: I clean sim ~5min ago
Jan 20 16:33:21 <dcordes_> Ainulindale: but I must click on every commitdiff in gitweb
Jan 20 16:34:09 <mrmoku> dcordes_: gitk -- some/path/to/a/file/or/dir shows you all commits touching that file/dir
Jan 20 16:34:09 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: yes
Jan 20 16:34:15 <dcordes_> cool thanks
Jan 20 16:34:15 <Ainulindale> dcordes_: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=history;f=openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc;h=becb3a4e4066cf2aa38ce8e03fd5e4ff6a15c247;hb=HEAD
Jan 20 16:34:28 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: he binds org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS, this won't work without setting to direc-tmode
Jan 20 16:34:34 <dcordes_> Ainulindale: what about that?
Jan 20 16:34:48 <Ainulindale> dcordes_: well you still have to click but that's good enough (to me)
Jan 20 16:34:52 <yoyo> mickeyl: ok how can I set direc-tmode?
Jan 20 16:35:52 <mickeyl> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.html;hb=HEAD#SetSimBuffersSms
Jan 20 16:35:56 <mickeyl> ~me hugs his docs
Jan 20 16:36:04 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 20 16:36:40 <dcordes_> Ainulindale: is there frameworkd-devel-glib ?
Jan 20 16:36:58 <Ainulindale> dcordes_: yes
Jan 20 16:38:49 <mrmoku> no :-)
Jan 20 16:39:04 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: no?
Jan 20 16:39:08 <Ainulindale> I thought you branched it
Jan 20 16:39:16 <Ainulindale> (I'm fuzzy today)
Jan 20 16:39:30 <Ainulindale> Ah, you didn't branch it
Jan 20 16:39:33 <Ainulindale> THat's bad. Baaaad.
Jan 20 16:39:34 <mrmoku> yep, did a branch (stabilization/milestone4) and left the frameworkd-glib on master
Jan 20 16:39:41 <Ainulindale> No branch here
Jan 20 16:39:48 <root_at> Ainulindale: am i allowed to ask why there is an old version of dillo in the repo? even in the unstable...dillo 2.0 uses fltk :D
Jan 20 16:40:06 <mrmoku> hehe, did not push it, because immediately after frameworkd switched back to master
Jan 20 16:40:10 <Ainulindale> root_at: probably because there's no bb recipe for that
Jan 20 16:40:28 <Ainulindale> ok then, but you should have pushed the branch
Jan 20 16:40:40 <Ainulindale> just for the sake of it =)
Jan 20 16:40:52 <Ainulindale> root_at: recompiling it on unstable
Jan 20 16:40:58 <root_at> Ainulindale: sure, i have installed it on my freerunner, got a link form opkg.org
Jan 20 16:41:01 <Ainulindale> 0.8.6
Jan 20 16:41:08 <Ainulindale> root_at: that doesn't mean there's a bb recipe
Jan 20 16:41:22 <root_at> but there is an ipk which worked fine
Jan 20 16:41:29 <Ainulindale> Yes, but no bb recipe
Jan 20 16:41:46 <Ainulindale> And I have no time to do one myself
Jan 20 16:42:33 <root_at> i meaned an opk...isnt there someone who just builds packages and includs them to the repo?
Jan 20 16:43:00 <yoyo> Ainulindale: If I understend - gsm_device_iface.SetSimBuffersSms(0) shoud turn on IncomingMessage yes ?
Jan 20 16:44:08 <yoyo> haha :)) yes 
Jan 20 17:01:29 <mrmoku> mickeyl, Ainulindale: retried the old kernel... two issues:
Jan 20 17:01:39 <mrmoku> a) the led stays on, even if disconnecting usb
Jan 20 17:02:12 <mrmoku> b) ophonekitd crashes because of: "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist
Jan 20 17:02:52 <mrmoku> I have debug logs from frameworkd if interested
Jan 20 17:03:00 <mickeyl> sure
Jan 20 17:04:01 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: is there any QA plan kernel wise that you would know about?
Jan 20 17:04:07 <Ainulindale> Or any QA plan for that matter? :-/
Jan 20 17:04:50 <mickeyl> i don't know about that
Jan 20 17:05:02 <mickeyl> andy should know
Jan 20 17:05:44 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: by the way, would you have two minutes for harsh talk in private? :-)
Jan 20 17:06:09 <mickeyl> yo
Jan 20 17:06:20 <mickeyl> (if it's not about Om ;)
Jan 20 17:06:22 <mrmoku> http://shr.bearstech.com/tests/frameworkd.log
Jan 20 17:11:43 <pwgen> is the git server at git.openmoko.org actual down ? 
Jan 20 17:11:54 * mrmoku --> nutrition
Jan 20 17:15:35 <Weiss> pwgen: hmm.. i get Connection Refused
Jan 20 17:17:10 <yoyo> hyy somthing is not working correctly in gsmsim (messages) gsmsms 
Jan 20 17:18:22 <pwgen> Weiss: the same i got ... (:-((
Jan 20 17:18:55 <pwgen> Weiss: the web part is up and running 
Jan 20 17:18:59 <Weiss> pwgen: quick email to OM-Support or something?
Jan 20 17:19:11 <Weiss> i'm sure it's only a 2-min job for the admins to start it up again
Jan 20 17:19:40 <root_at> i get "Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :     SET failed on device eth0 ; Input/output error." when i enter "iwconfig eth0 essid <my_essid>" : /
Jan 20 17:20:10 <pwgen> i think someone with access to git.openmoko.org  is in this irc channel .. 
Jan 20 17:27:50 <kuzgun> I get an error while building shr-testing (http://pastebin.com/d11243894)
Jan 20 17:27:55 <root_at> Ainulindale: i am really sorry, but i cant try accelges now,cant connect to wlan. and gsm isnt working either...and i need to study now, also on tomorrow and on thursday. looks like i will try it at the weekend
Jan 20 17:28:28 <bumbl|ill> mickeyl: more rants on the lack of opimd
Jan 20 17:28:49 <kuzgun> I built libframewokd-glib with bitbake -b ... and then it works, but not within 'make image'
Jan 20 17:29:40 <mickeyl> bumbl|ill: *shrug*
Jan 20 17:29:46 <mickeyl> i'm as sad as you are
Jan 20 17:30:11 <mickeyl> some people think stabilzing other issues are more important than PIM though
Jan 20 17:30:15 <mickeyl> :D
Jan 20 17:30:19 <bumbl|ill> hehe
Jan 20 17:30:26 <bumbl|ill> you know i disagree
Jan 20 17:30:32 <Ainulindale> (you're wrong)
Jan 20 17:30:45 <bumbl|ill> it might be i am wrong
Jan 20 17:30:54 <bumbl|ill> but i can bare stability issues
Jan 20 17:30:58 <Dave> oh here we go again -_-
Jan 20 17:31:05 <Ainulindale> bumbl|ill: well, being wrong or not
Jan 20 17:31:08 <bumbl|ill> but i can't bare lack of contacts
Jan 20 17:31:13 <Ainulindale> I just like to tell the contrary of what you tell
Jan 20 17:31:22 <Ainulindale> :-)
Jan 20 17:31:26 <bumbl|ill> Ainulindale is a good man
Jan 20 17:31:36 <Dave> Yes, I agree.
Jan 20 17:31:37 <bumbl|ill> :p
Jan 20 17:32:00 <root_at> Ainulindale: did you read my message?
Jan 20 17:32:23 <Ainulindale> root_at: yes
Jan 20 17:40:29 <mrmoku> mickeyl: connman does not build... know something?
Jan 20 17:40:59 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: known issue
Jan 20 17:41:06 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'll need your help in the days to come
Jan 20 17:41:09 <Ainulindale> I made a dumb promise =)
Jan 20 17:41:15 <mrmoku> ouch ;)
Jan 20 17:41:31 <mrmoku> what do we have to do?
Jan 20 17:41:42 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: end this stab process in shr-overlay
Jan 20 17:41:45 <Ainulindale> rename a bunch of packages
Jan 20 17:41:51 <Ainulindale> produce patches for org.openembedded.dev
Jan 20 17:41:52 <Ainulindale> and commit them
Jan 20 17:41:54 <Ainulindale> (to OE)
Jan 20 17:42:11 <mrmoku> and just keep patches to fix it up ;)
Jan 20 17:42:22 <Ainulindale> well I'll talk about that with mickey|bbiab 
Jan 20 17:42:37 <Ainulindale> But I'd like to produce patch and commit them directly when we'll be in OE
Jan 20 17:42:40 <Ainulindale> +es
Jan 20 17:42:44 <mrmoku> just kidding... good and right move in my opinion
Jan 20 17:43:03 <Ainulindale> well I intended to do that after the release
Jan 20 17:43:08 <Ainulindale> But I think I'll dissociate both
Jan 20 17:55:19 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: we will have our own distro/shr.conf then, I hope :D
Jan 20 18:00:41 <root_at> is this what you call "community driven"? :P
Jan 20 18:00:58 <Ainulindale> root_at: what do you mean? 
Jan 20 18:01:02 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Yep
Jan 20 18:01:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: if you want to give it a start
Jan 20 18:01:28 <Ainulindale> first I want to strip off anything related to "OM"
Jan 20 18:01:36 <Ainulindale> openmoko-contacts => shr-contacts
Jan 20 18:01:49 <Ainulindale> And about that I'd like to build this dbus service provider in ophonekitd
Jan 20 18:01:52 <Ainulindale> To launch the screens
Jan 20 18:01:56 <Ainulindale> and preload them
Jan 20 18:02:05 <Ainulindale> to avoid runtime construction
Jan 20 18:02:17 <Ainulindale> (that would be pleasing for yoyo)
Jan 20 18:02:24 <Ainulindale> this is what phonegui_init is there
Jan 20 18:02:29 <Ainulindale> s/what/why/
Jan 20 18:02:30 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: this is why phonegui_init is there
Jan 20 18:10:35 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: all that before release?
Jan 20 18:10:46 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 20 18:10:46 <Ainulindale> no
Jan 20 18:10:53 <Ainulindale> renaming yes
Jan 20 18:10:59 <Ainulindale> preload unfortunately I don't think we'll have the time
Jan 20 18:11:20 * mrmoku has to read a good-night-story now... bbiab
Jan 20 18:11:22 <mrmoku> yep, ok
Jan 20 18:11:54 <bumbl|ill> mrmoku: have fun
Jan 20 18:19:53 <mrmoku> bumbl|ill: had fun :-)
Jan 20 18:26:01 <Ainulindale> mickey|bbiab: addendum
Jan 20 18:26:06 <Ainulindale> mickey|bbiab: mplayer is slow with new kernel
Jan 20 18:26:13 <Ainulindale> (or we really borked our build)
Jan 20 18:26:26 <Hire> we really borked our build <-- i think is this
Jan 20 18:26:43 <Ainulindale> I don't think so
Jan 20 18:26:48 <Ainulindale> This one has been made from scratch
Jan 20 18:34:35 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: how to plan the journey? What do you think about a shr subdir in patches 
Jan 20 18:34:47 <mrmoku> with the patches we're going to submit to OE
Jan 20 18:35:13 <mrmoku> then move one package after the other into there and build from the OE tree
Jan 20 18:35:17 <Dave> :)
Jan 20 18:35:54 <mrmoku> first patch could be 0001-add-shr-distro-conf :-)
Jan 20 18:36:04 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: why not
Jan 20 18:36:17 <Ainulindale> but first, renaming, and tidying up the classes/packages
Jan 20 18:36:37 <root_at> does the freerunner charge while he is in suspend?(and connect to pc/power supply)
Jan 20 18:38:39 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw... any news from australia?
Jan 20 18:39:37 <lindi-> root_at: yes
Jan 20 18:39:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: none
Jan 20 18:39:44 <Ainulindale> root_at: you didn't answer to me
Jan 20 18:39:53 <Ainulindale> 19:00:41 < root_at> is this what you call "community driven"? :P
Jan 20 18:39:53 <Ainulindale> 19:00:58 < Ainulindale> root_at: what do you mean?
Jan 20 18:40:13 <root_at> Ainulindale: let me think...what did i mean : /
Jan 20 18:40:23 <root_at> i think i just understood something wrong
Jan 20 18:42:25 <root_at> ahh, cause mrmoku talked about "our own distro" but it depends on what he meaned with "our"
Jan 20 18:43:06 <Cybil_> Hi Dave. Did you reached anybody regarding qemu for gat02 since yesterday?
Jan 20 18:43:09 <Ainulindale> well the community's indeed
Jan 20 18:43:27 <mrmoku> root_at: I ment not derived from the openemoko distro configuration (which we cannot change apart from patching it)
Jan 20 18:43:58 <mrmoku> yeah Dave... did you have success with pestering? :P
Jan 20 18:44:52 <root_at> my message wasnt meant seriously
Jan 20 18:51:37 <Dave> Ah, Hi Cybil :)
Jan 20 19:28:50 <tmzt> does anyone have a simple initrd for armv4?
Jan 20 19:34:40 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rdbe8508e07dc 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: add support for bluez 4.x
Jan 20 19:37:39 <lindi-> tmzt: aren't they generated?
Jan 20 19:38:04 <mw|> ***
Jan 20 19:38:05 <Cybil_> why do you need?
Jan 20 19:38:05 <mrmoku> mmmhh... bluetooth :-)
Jan 20 19:38:07 <tmzt> can't find them, we are going to try a debian netwinder netboot
Jan 20 19:38:17 <mw|> how to get sed to match multiple lines?
Jan 20 19:38:18 <lindi-> tmzt: debian generates them at install time
Jan 20 19:38:19 <tmzt> to boot a jorndada
Jan 20 19:38:30 * mrmoku has a mpd server with bluetooth waiting to be remote controlled :-)
Jan 20 19:38:33 <tmzt> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-arm/20070308/images/netwinder/netboot/initrd.gz
Jan 20 19:38:38 <lindi-> tmzt: so that it only has modules that are detected be needed
Jan 20 19:38:38 <dos1> someone wants frozen-bubble ipk for shr-unstable? :D
Jan 20 19:38:43 <dos1> i'm compilling now;)
Jan 20 19:38:50 <lindi-> tmzt: ah, that is initrd of the installer itself
Jan 20 19:39:09 <Ainulindale> dos1: is there a bb recipe?
Jan 20 19:39:15 <lindi-> tmzt: does that have the installer app?
Jan 20 19:39:20 <dos1> Ainulindale: yes :)
Jan 20 19:39:26 <dos1> Ainulindale: in OE
Jan 20 19:39:41 <Ainulindale> Well then I'm compiling it on the buildhost.
Jan 20 19:39:48 <dos1> ;]
Jan 20 19:39:55 <Ainulindale> dos1: I'd rather you tell me something is missing, or even if you added it to the feed yourself
Jan 20 19:40:00 <tmzt> lindi-: we just need a shell to dump cf manf/cardid
Jan 20 19:40:05 <Ainulindale> dos1: it's in shr-overlay
Jan 20 19:40:09 <tmzt> lindi-: I think it does though
Jan 20 19:41:01 <lindi-> tmzt: cf?
Jan 20 19:41:04 <dos1> Ainulindale: should all of shr-overlay packages be in shr/openembedded/packages?
Jan 20 19:41:06 <tmzt> compact flash
Jan 20 19:41:11 <dos1> Ainulindale: if yes, it is in OE :P
Jan 20 19:41:12 <lindi-> tmzt: some other device?
Jan 20 19:41:26 <tmzt> this isn't for openmoko, for jornada, but it's armv4 like gta01
Jan 20 19:41:34 <Ainulindale> dos1: that wasn't what I was telling :-)
Jan 20 19:41:42 <Ainulindale> dos1: if you want a package automatically compiled in the build host
Jan 20 19:41:50 <Ainulindale> Add it to the task-shr-feed in the shr overlay
Jan 20 19:42:02 <Ainulindale> This way when the feed is recompiled it gets compiled too
Jan 20 19:42:14 <dos1> Ainulindale: oh, ok, i didn't get the point :D
Jan 20 19:42:23 <Ainulindale> dos1: this way everybody's happy
Jan 20 19:42:26 <Ainulindale> Ah and
Jan 20 19:42:33 <Ainulindale> Could you tell me why shr settings is so slow?
Jan 20 19:42:39 <Ainulindale> And would you be able to write a nice post for the blog?
Jan 20 19:42:44 <Ainulindale> I'd like you (not me) to talk about it
Jan 20 19:42:49 <Ainulindale> It would publicize your work
Jan 20 19:43:15 <dos1> Ainulindale: right now dbus requests are blocking UI
Jan 20 19:43:28 <dos1> Ainulindale: i think that's why it works slowly
Jan 20 19:43:41 <Ainulindale> dos1: hmm I think you should display a "loading" screen
Jan 20 19:43:46 <Ainulindale> Because it seems unresponsive
Jan 20 19:43:51 <dos1> Ainulindale: yes, we want to do it later
Jan 20 19:44:07 <Ainulindale> dos1: you should formalize a plan and talk about it on the ML and on the blog :-)
Jan 20 19:44:12 <Ainulindale> And I seriously mean that
Jan 20 19:44:20 <Ainulindale> Good visibility = more users :-)
Jan 20 19:44:27 <Ainulindale> More users = more testers!
Jan 20 19:44:37 <dos1> Ainulindale: hehe, i will :)
Jan 20 19:44:45 <Ainulindale> dos1: Do I have your word?
Jan 20 19:44:49 <Ainulindale> Because I'll bug you everyday for that
Jan 20 19:45:18 <Ainulindale> http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/3138118.txt <= hmpf
Jan 20 19:45:21 <Ainulindale> (failed compilation)
Jan 20 19:46:20 <dos1> Ainulindale: i think yes, i will write something in this week
Jan 20 19:46:33 <Ainulindale> dos1: Thanks a lot
Jan 20 19:46:41 <Ainulindale> dos1: Help me to build this community and make it alive :-)
Jan 20 19:47:38 <dos1> hmm, it's downloading frozen-bubble 1.0
Jan 20 19:47:56 <dos1> but i think there is bb recipe for 2.2
Jan 20 19:48:24 <Ainulindale> Not in OE.
Jan 20 19:53:57 <root_at> if i install qi, does my freerunner boot faster?(noticeable)
Jan 20 20:03:39 * mrmoku saw frozen-bubble commits in #oe today
Jan 20 20:06:23 <mrmoku> hmm, should have checked before babbling... somebody was talking about trying to build it :-)
Jan 20 20:08:34 <mrmoku> though there is: packages/frozen-bubble/frozen-bubble_2.2.0.bb
Jan 20 20:09:01 <dos1> mrmoku, Ainulindale: i have compiled frozen-bubble 1.0
Jan 20 20:09:13 <dos1> now i'm installing it on neo
Jan 20 20:09:14 <johnsu01> hm.. Are there options to compile with that make it run better on the FR?
Jan 20 20:09:31 <johnsu01> that are different from for example the armel debs
Jan 20 20:14:54 <dos1> Can't locate vars.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl   .) at /usr/bin/frozen-bubble line 40.
Jan 20 20:14:54 <dos1> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/frozen-bubble line 47.
Jan 20 20:15:06 <dos1> when starting frozen-bubble on FR :x
Jan 20 20:15:36 <lindi->  /usr/share/perl/5.10.0/vars.pm                                           perl-base
Jan 20 20:15:39 <lindi-> pretty standard stuff
Jan 20 20:15:50 <johnsu01> I had it running on FR, it was just running out of memory
Jan 20 20:16:03 <dos1> johnsu01: i have swap ;]
Jan 20 20:17:14 <dos1> lindi-: i don't have it on shr-unstable
Jan 20 20:17:31 <mw|> I need a holy bible
Jan 20 20:17:51 <mw|> I just hacked together a sed script (first sed script in my life not beeing a single s/a/b/
Jan 20 20:18:27 <mw|> sed -e '/<\/node>/{N;/\n<?xml/{N;/\n<!DOCTYPE/{N;/\n<node/{s/.*//}}}}'
Jan 20 20:18:35 <mw|> that just looks spooky, but it worked
Jan 20 20:19:01 <Ainulindale> mw|: wanna laugh?
Jan 20 20:19:10 <mw|> yeah?
Jan 20 20:19:18 <Ainulindale> http://calaquendi.org/irc/regexps.txt
Jan 20 20:19:28 <Ainulindale> (anti "lol")
Jan 20 20:19:38 <Ainulindale> (part of a script to ban people saying lol)
Jan 20 20:19:43 <Ainulindale> (I upgraded some of the regexps since)
Jan 20 20:20:07 <mw|> That just looks freaky
Jan 20 20:20:17 <Ainulindale> Yeah but it was working nicely :-)
Jan 20 20:20:27 <Ainulindale> (in french at least)
Jan 20 20:21:13 <mw|> Ainulindale: I can see people started to be creative in characters selection when typing lol
Jan 20 20:21:20 <Ainulindale> Yep.
Jan 20 20:21:22 <mw|> ?0?
Jan 20 20:21:33 <Ainulindale> That one never appeared and is unreadable
Jan 20 20:21:39 <mw|> hmm (my terminal is missing a character for GPD)
Jan 20 20:21:44 <Ainulindale> but things like |_0|_
Jan 20 20:21:56 <Dave> :)
Jan 20 20:22:03 <dos1> |__( )|__
Jan 20 20:22:06 <dos1> ;D
Jan 20 20:22:09 <Ainulindale> or even aside chars
Jan 20 20:22:11 <Ainulindale> such as "kik"
Jan 20 20:22:14 <Ainulindale> or "mpm" (in french)
Jan 20 20:22:24 <Dave> dos1, stop being obnoxious :P
Jan 20 20:22:27 <Dave> mpm?
Jan 20 20:22:29 <mw|> time to feed the horses
Jan 20 20:22:32 <Dave> haha
Jan 20 20:22:36 <Dave> neigh?
Jan 20 20:22:40 <Ainulindale> Dave: yeah in french the m is beside the l
Jan 20 20:22:58 <Ainulindale> (it's a republican lol, a lol to the right)
Jan 20 20:23:33 <dos1> Dave: i'm only using imagination ;)
Jan 20 20:23:51 <dos1> Dave: u kN()w1 ;]
Jan 20 20:23:52 <Dave> oh haha
Jan 20 20:23:59 <Dave> Nice one, Ainu :P
Jan 20 20:24:09 <Dave> Dos1, can I strangle you now?
Jan 20 20:25:24 <dos1> Dave: emo-people who are using that "style" of writing don't need strangling
Jan 20 20:26:08 <dos1> Dave: they will cut themselves or something like that :x
Jan 20 20:26:12 <Dave> Because I'll send them to soviet russia, in which they will be killed ... ?
Jan 20 20:26:21 <Dave> soviet russia cuts you?
Jan 20 20:26:25 * Dave rolls his eyes at dos1
Jan 20 20:26:39 <dos1> uh
Jan 20 20:26:41 * dos1 hides...
Jan 20 20:26:41 <dos1> ;D
Jan 20 20:28:17 <Dave> Good call.
Jan 20 20:28:26 * Dave readies a cargo container for dos1
Jan 20 20:29:58 * dos1 runs lightsaber on his neo to defend when it will be needed :x
Jan 20 20:30:48 <Dave> Ready for your transatlantic voyage? ;)
Jan 20 20:31:58 <dos1> uh, lightsaber is not working - pygame-mixer is failing ^^"
Jan 20 20:32:00 * dos1 runs...
Jan 20 20:43:55 <Dave> Bwahahahaha
Jan 20 21:33:44 <StOrM_NW> i m trying to use mplayer version provided at angstron repository considering that somehow mplayer dissapeared from official repository, and i m wondering if there is any -vo that i can use with mplayer to play a mpeg4 video that i m streaming over wifi network. i m always getting problems ... something related with the display, any help really appreciate. Btw is there any front end for mplayer that is stable at om 2008.12, i m in need of one
Jan 20 21:36:52 <yoyo_> how can I disable draging row in gtk.TreeView ?
Jan 20 21:44:51 <mw|> mofasa
Jan 20 21:45:33 * mrmoku wonders if mw| drank something and has problems speaking ;)
Jan 20 21:45:50 <mw|> just wanted to break the ice-silence
Jan 20 21:46:26 <mrmoku> hehe, guess all are staring at their neos watching cpu usage and don't believe it...
Jan 20 21:47:02 * mw| is waiting for cp 
Jan 20 21:47:11 <mw|> doing backup before i try "make distclean"
Jan 20 21:47:37 <mrmoku> if you're trying to build something current... will fail with connman
Jan 20 21:48:00 <mw|> current shr-overlay is broken ?
Jan 20 21:48:10 <mrmoku> current OE is broken
Jan 20 21:48:16 <mw|> aah
Jan 20 21:48:50 <mrmoku> connman got updated (which is good I think) and does not compile yet
Jan 20 21:49:07 <mw|> what is connman ?
Jan 20 21:49:09 <mw|> connection-manager ?
Jan 20 21:49:21 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 20 21:49:27 <mrmoku> networking daemon
Jan 20 21:49:37 <mrmoku> which will be used by frameworkd
Jan 20 21:53:41 <mw|> aaah
Jan 20 21:57:44 <mrmoku> mw|: hmm, maybe its as simple as setting AUTOREV to fix it... trying now
Jan 20 22:01:34 <quickdev> Hey
Jan 20 22:01:42 <mrmoku> hey, quickdev :-)
Jan 20 22:02:38 <mrmoku> quickdev: how's school... hope you did your homework for tomorrow ;)
Jan 20 22:03:23 <quickdev> school is ok, but I've got a project I have to work for these days. It's a pity that I have almost not time for SHR 
Jan 20 22:03:32 <quickdev> mrmoku, and how are things for you?
Jan 20 22:03:47 <mrmoku> well fine... we're having some problems though :(
Jan 20 22:04:33 <mrmoku> we're having a new unstable image... and e sucks 20% cpu
Jan 20 22:05:34 <quickdev> mrmoku, changed e srcrev?
Jan 20 22:05:47 <mrmoku> quickdev: no, changed kernel ;)
Jan 20 22:05:53 <mw|> there, now frameworkd-fake (and ophonekitd) can be tested by others on a desktop
Jan 20 22:05:57 <mrmoku> with 2.6.24 it does not do it
Jan 20 22:06:13 <mw|> (currently only works to init PIN dialog, it stops when going further)
Jan 20 22:06:22 <quickdev> raster should have a look ;)
Jan 20 22:06:35 <quickdev> mw|, frameworkd-fake - sounds interesting :)
Jan 20 22:06:37 <mw|> (can also be used for testing E apps on desktop as a user without writeaccess)
Jan 20 22:06:45 <mrmoku> quickdev: its two days we're waiting for him to appear
Jan 20 22:07:01 <Hire> raster is pretty busy
Jan 20 22:07:13 <mw|> http://mywave.homelinux.org/fake.tar.gz
Jan 20 22:07:20 <mw|> comments are very welcome
Jan 20 22:07:24 <mrmoku> Hire: I know
Jan 20 22:08:01 <mw|> download, extract, read README.FIRST :-p
Jan 20 22:10:56 <mw|> who manages the buildhost ?
Jan 20 22:11:21 <mw|> (never mind)
Jan 20 22:11:29 <Hire> the beartech guys
Jan 20 22:11:34 <mrmoku> the host itself or our builds?
Jan 20 22:11:51 <mrmoku> Hire: its bearStech ;)
Jan 20 22:11:56 <Hire> ehhh
Jan 20 22:12:00 <Hire> sorry sorry :(
Jan 20 22:12:15 <mw|> just wondered if ext3 image could be added, but I can just use .tar.gz *doh*
Jan 20 22:12:26 <mrmoku> Hire: be nice to our sponsor :P
Jan 20 22:15:48 <quickdev> mw|, ext3 could be added by the people who have access to it...mrmoku for example? :)
Jan 20 22:15:53 <mw|> A frenchman downloaded my fake :-p
Jan 20 22:16:04 <mw|> as in it not beeing fake, but named fake :-p
Jan 20 22:19:10 <quickdev> have a good day :)
Jan 20 22:44:23 <mw|> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
Jan 20 22:44:26 <mw|> no 2.6.28 there
Jan 20 22:48:08 <mw|> Ainulindale: *ping*
Jan 20 22:48:11 <Dave> mw!
Jan 20 22:48:17 <mw|> myself!
Jan 20 22:48:20 <Dave> ja :P
Jan 20 22:48:25 <mw|> Dave, where can I find a precompiled 2.6.28 ?
Jan 20 22:48:39 <Dave> precompiled... for?
Jan 20 22:48:58 <mw|> *downloading image now and going to copy it to the sd-card (which I use instead of internal flash)
Jan 20 22:49:10 <mw|> E 20% cpu load issue
Jan 20 22:49:32 <mw|> (Also found a small bug in my Makefile in fake.tar.gz :-( simple to fix then :-) )
Jan 20 22:51:36 <PaulFertser> mickey|bbiab: (and everyone who's interested). I've implemented my ideas in a patch to gsm0710muxd. Now i think channel allocation and deallocation problems are solved. Proper wakeup is not needed because the commands will be retried several times until giving up.
Jan 20 22:52:11 <PaulFertser> mickey|bbiab: First, a patch for upstream version was done, now i backported it to 0.9.x git HEAD.
Jan 20 22:52:25 <PaulFertser> mickey|bbiab: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/0001-Implement-proper-channel-allocation-and-dealloction.patch
Jan 20 22:55:21 <yoyo_> PaulFertser: hi
Jan 20 22:55:27 <PaulFertser> yoyo_: Hey :)
Jan 20 22:56:59 <PaulFertser> mickey|bbiab: i mean a wakeup in frameworkd should not be altered. But for channel allocation/deallocation no special precautions are needed.
Jan 20 23:04:26 <mw|> how cute, my moko with shr, first time ever it asked for pincode with shr :-)
Jan 20 23:04:35 <Dave> :D
Jan 20 23:04:39 <Dave> surprise!
Jan 20 23:04:44 <mw|> but, where do I find 2.6.28 ?
Jan 20 23:04:54 <PaulFertser> mw|: http://people.openmoko.org/andy
Jan 20 23:04:58 <Dave> build it yourself you lazy bum :P
Jan 20 23:05:04 <PaulFertser> mw|: Or build it yourself. ;)
Jan 20 23:05:09 <mw|> on my pentium3m
Jan 20 23:05:18 <mw|> with now a defect usb-plug
Jan 20 23:05:18 <Dave> rofl
Jan 20 23:05:24 <mw|> that will take too long time
Jan 20 23:05:52 <Dave> Mw, you do know, this past summer I tried compiling the linux kernel on freerunners...
Jan 20 23:05:59 <Dave> so don't complain to me about your pentium 3
Jan 20 23:06:02 <mw|> painfull
Jan 20 23:06:15 <PaulFertser> mw|: first time i built the kernel on my 486 i was greatly surprised how fast it was comparing to my 386 with 4M RAM :)
Jan 20 23:06:19 <mw|> *remember those time when I compiled 2.6 kernels on my old mmx
Jan 20 23:06:36 <mw|> 2.6 was so much fatter than 2.4
Jan 20 23:06:40 <mw|> (or even 2.2)
Jan 20 23:07:04 <PaulFertser> mw|: Have you spotted the link to Andy's place for the kernel and stuff?
Jan 20 23:07:23 <mw|> I did now :-p
Jan 20 23:07:38 <mw|> udfu files? :-p
Jan 20 23:08:13 <PaulFertser> mw|: It doesn't matter. That's uImage with a DFU trailer added. Should work :)
Jan 20 23:08:24 <mw|> *downloading*
Jan 20 23:08:32 <mw|> testing them tomorrow
Jan 20 23:08:36 <mw|> bedtime now
Jan 20 23:08:47 <Dave> NO
Jan 20 23:08:56 <Dave> No one excused you!
Jan 20 23:08:56 <mw|> no ?
Jan 20 23:08:59 <Dave> Come back here!
Jan 20 23:09:02 <mw|> *lol*
Jan 20 23:09:04 <Dave> I'm not done with you yet!
Jan 20 23:09:06 <Dave> :P
Jan 20 23:09:06 <PaulFertser> mw|: what udfu are you downloading?
Jan 20 23:09:17 <PaulFertser> mw|: http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_b8b36e5ec3db71d5.bin 
Jan 20 23:09:28 <mw|> that one yes
Jan 20 23:09:33 <mw|> just wondered what udfu was
Jan 20 23:10:07 <PaulFertser> Then i was wrong. I think it's not uImage at all. Just a binary with a DFU trailer.
Jan 20 23:10:36 <Dave> CTHULHU!?
Jan 20 23:10:44 <PaulFertser> uImage is a special format that allows u-boot to test checksum before running kernel and to relocate it if needed.
Jan 20 23:10:59 <mw|> uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_b8b36e5ec3db71d5.bin: u-boot/PPCBoot image
Jan 20 23:11:04 <PaulFertser> DFU trailer is appended to file to allow it to be transfered with DFU protocol.
Jan 20 23:11:05 <mw|> file output :-p
Jan 20 23:11:29 <PaulFertser> Exactly, that's uImage.
Jan 20 23:11:52 <PaulFertser> Qi understands that (as well as zImage).
Jan 20 23:11:59 <Dave> I was just about to ask, Paul :)
Jan 20 23:12:04 <Dave> Okay, cool
Jan 20 23:12:08 <mw|> Still wonders if E shutdown message should be rewritten
Jan 20 23:12:12 <Dave> I recall there was a fucked up format that uboot understands
Jan 20 23:12:21 <PaulFertser> Dave: check Qi wiki page. It was greatly improved recently.
Jan 20 23:12:23 <mw|> "shutting down your computer"... it's a phone!
Jan 20 23:12:31 <mw|> or just "shutting down"
Jan 20 23:12:39 <Dave> and that onetime the image hash was incorrectly generated or syntactically garbled, and all chaos ensued.
Jan 20 23:13:02 <Dave> because uboot choked on it or something
Jan 20 23:16:31 <mw|> *booting 2.6.28*
Jan 20 23:16:51 * Dave threatens mw with his boot
Jan 20 23:17:20 <mw|> *wonders if the boot fits*
Jan 20 23:18:41 <Dave> I'll MAKE it fit... your ass!
Jan 20 23:18:46 <Dave> >:)
Jan 20 23:19:33 <tordo> hm
Jan 20 23:19:42 <tordo> is the busybox tar compiled without -z on purpose?
Jan 20 23:20:44 <mw|> hehehe
Jan 20 23:22:31 * tordo is installing debian to SDcard, since he and his friend is going to build a gta02controlled robot \o/
Jan 20 23:22:49 <mw|> cooooooooooool
Jan 20 23:22:58 <Dave> rofl
Jan 20 23:23:09 <mw|> opkg install gdb
Jan 20 23:23:12 <mw|> :-D
Jan 20 23:23:15 <tordo> :D
Jan 20 23:23:52 <tordo> plans so far: independently rotateable webcam, runs on weels, all the stuff controlled with an i2c-tiny-usb-thingy
Jan 20 23:24:15 <tordo> write a daemon that runs the show and leaves the controls to a socket, connectable over wlan
Jan 20 23:24:31 <tordo> and some feed for the webcam
Jan 20 23:24:37 <tordo> so, like a reallife cargame
Jan 20 23:24:45 <tordo> and a million times nerdier
Jan 20 23:25:07 <mw|> tordo: wanna know how you fast can make a range-finder ?
Jan 20 23:25:28 <tordo> ?
Jan 20 23:26:00 <mw|> use a small laser (5 milliwatt red ones for instance "laserpen"), and mount it so that the dot appears on the webcam
Jan 20 23:26:10 <mw|> and as the range variaes, the dot moves
Jan 20 23:26:20 <tordo> oh jeez
Jan 20 23:26:21 <tordo> that's cool!
Jan 20 23:26:27 <mw|> (try different angles to find one that gives enough movement/range)
Jan 20 23:26:55 * tordo needs to get some serious image interpretation skillz then
Jan 20 23:27:10 <mw|> *I'm curious.. who does enlightenment talk to*....
Jan 20 23:27:44 <tordo> BUT, bedtime now, lots of hacking to do tomorrow it seems
Jan 20 23:27:45 <PaulFertser> CIA
Jan 20 23:28:25 <mw|> ksdioirqd/mmc0   runs on kernel main timer divided by two
Jan 20 23:28:33 <mw|> enlightenment 30 times per second
Jan 20 23:28:47 <Dave> :O
Jan 20 23:28:48 <mw|> Xglamo 30 times per second (looks like the same number.....)
Jan 20 23:28:56 <Dave> rut roh
Jan 20 23:28:58 <mw|> python 10 times per second
Jan 20 23:29:02 <tordo> mw|: there's a setting somewhere in illume where you set the FPS
Jan 20 23:29:06 <tordo> and it's 30 by default
Jan 20 23:29:33 <Dave> hot
Jan 20 23:30:22 <mw|> sounds suspect :-p
Jan 20 23:32:08 <PaulFertser> Battery monitor? Battery's probably the only thing that changed from 2.6.24 that E should care about.
Jan 20 23:32:34 <tordo> but then why does SOFTWARE_16 make the troubles go away?
Jan 20 23:32:41 <tordo> setting the engine to SOFTWARE_16*
Jan 20 23:33:06 <mw|> and changing it back
Jan 20 23:33:27 <tordo> but if you restart X the trouble is there again mw| 
Jan 20 23:33:30 <mw|> *installing ALOT of -dbg ipk files now*
Jan 20 23:33:31 <tordo> but not with software_16
Jan 20 23:33:45 <Dave> dubious
Jan 20 23:34:04 <mw|> could be some loop with XDamage protocol or something ?
Jan 20 23:36:24 <mw|> what is the name of the ipk that provides /usr/bin/enlightenment ?
Jan 20 23:37:11 <mw|> e-wm
Jan 20 23:37:35 <yoyo_> hihi :) I finished :)
Jan 20 23:37:53 <mw|> with?
Jan 20 23:38:11 <yoyo_> add edit del phone book in my yphonekitd :)
Jan 20 23:38:21 <mw|> :-D
Jan 20 23:38:22 <yoyo_> you whana look?
Jan 20 23:38:49 <Dave> Who you gonna call?
Jan 20 23:39:01 <yoyo_> goust busters
Jan 20 23:39:08 <yoyo_> ghost busters
Jan 20 23:39:16 <mw|> e-wm-dbg has WIERD depencies
Jan 20 23:39:36 <mw|> pulls in stuff like libewl-plugins
Jan 20 23:39:44 <mw|> libemotion0 ..
Jan 20 23:39:52 <tordo> mw|: that must be it
Jan 20 23:39:55 <tordo> it's feeling grumpy
Jan 20 23:40:15 <mw|> aaah, it pulls in latest e-wm
Jan 20 23:40:21 <mw|> which ofcourse pulls in stuff
Jan 20 23:43:16 <yoyo_> can you tealmy is it is posible to get cid ? from gsm network ?
Jan 20 23:43:28 <yoyo_> in diffrent way then by signal?
Jan 20 23:43:52 <mw|> I seems to like rendering stuff: http://pastebin.com/m7561d0dc
Jan 20 23:46:26 <mw|> does it keep resizing some widget for every frame?
Jan 20 23:47:47 <mw|> evas_call_smarts_calculate(Evas *e)
Jan 20 23:48:00 <mw|> doesn't to shit, unless need_recalculate gets set
Jan 20 23:48:12 <mw|> so something is resized for EVERY frame (atleast it thinks so)
Jan 20 23:48:46 <mw|> my shot in the dark, some widget is calculating its size wrong
Jan 20 23:49:01 <mw|> when it is resizing itself
Jan 20 23:49:15 <Dave> that sounds highly naughty, mw
Jan 20 23:50:16 <mw|> evas_render_updates_internal(Evas *e, unsigned char make_updates, unsigned char do_draw)
Jan 20 23:50:49 <mw|> doesn't to shit unless Evas->e has changed set to non-zero
Jan 20 23:51:40 <mw|> /usr/lib/libevas.so.0 is compiled with to high optimize-level for gdb to be happy
Jan 20 23:52:28 * Dave finds that questionable
Jan 20 23:58:43 <mw|> -dbg only gives my link-symbols, but no valuable info
Jan 21 00:01:44 <mw|> (if somebody bothers to compile libevas with full gdb support and no -O flags, I would be very happy.. no need for ipk file)
Jan 21 00:01:48 <mw|> going to bed now
Jan 21 00:02:26 <mw|> (in libevas, I can manage to put watchpoints on the widget that fails to settle, causing the 20% cpu usage)
Jan 21 00:02:26 <yoyo_> mw|: can you ansuer my for one think?
Jan 21 00:02:40 <mw|> yoyo_: yes?
Jan 21 00:03:00 <yoyo_> teall my is it posible to open illume-keybord from pygtk?
Jan 21 00:03:21 <mw|> I have no idea, probably, how, I don't know
Jan 21 00:03:36 <mw|> first guess would be, check dbus (use d-feet or something)
Jan 21 00:03:47 <yoyo_> mw|: can you direct me to someone how can know that?
Jan 21 00:03:58 <mw|> raster?
Jan 21 00:03:59 <yoyo_> I'w chk 
Jan 21 00:04:06 <mw|> but now, sleep
Jan 21 00:04:08 <yoyo_> no events 
Jan 21 00:04:26 <lindi-> having to rewrite applications to support a keyboard does not sound nice
Jan 21 00:04:28 <mw|> quatrox: can you build the libevas with full debug?)
Jan 21 00:05:04 <quatrox> mw| maybe
Jan 21 00:05:14 <quatrox> I can try tomorrow
Jan 21 00:05:33 <mw|> quatrox: I need full gdb debug support, and no optimization
Jan 21 00:05:45 <quatrox> got that:)
Jan 21 00:06:31 <quatrox> mw| i got download.openmoko.no rsync with my buildhost:)
Jan 21 00:06:52 <quatrox> it is on gigabit:)
Jan 21 00:07:46 <mw|> nice
Jan 21 00:23:54 <Dave> quatrox!
Jan 21 00:24:05 <quatrox> hey
Jan 21 01:17:32 <johnsu01> rwhitby: Ah, it's already in the tracker actually since yesterday
Jan 21 01:17:38 <johnsu01> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/320
Jan 21 01:22:29 <yoyo_> there is no way to open illume-keyboard from gtk o.O
Jan 21 01:22:31 <yoyo_> siet!
Jan 21 01:27:43 <Dave> yo yo yo
Jan 21 01:27:48 <yoyo_> ?
Jan 21 01:37:24 <thseiler_> yoyo_: i think i once saw some code posted to -devel that allowed to trigger the illume keyboard using nothing but xlib things, but i can't seem to find it now...
Jan 21 01:44:06 <thseiler_> yoyo_: i found this http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg22093.html, maybe installing matchbox-keyboard-im still works ?
Jan 21 01:53:39 <mickeyl> morning
Jan 21 01:54:59 <thseiler_> mickeyl: morning, still working so late ?
Jan 21 01:55:03 <thseiler_> ;-)
Jan 21 01:55:21 <mickeyl> no, actually it's weird
Jan 21 01:55:25 <mickeyl> i just woke up after 4h sleep
Jan 21 01:55:31 <mickeyl> feeling too awake to continue sleeping
Jan 21 01:56:04 <mickeyl> so i thought i might as well go to work early ;)
Jan 21 01:56:23 <thseiler_> yes, the -brilliant-idea-keeps-you-awake-until-implemented problem...
Jan 21 01:56:29 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 21 01:56:30 <thseiler_> ;-)
Jan 21 02:29:26 <thseiler_> good night...
Jan 21 02:37:27 <billk> Hi, can someone tell me what settings the gsm modem tty uses? 115200 and 8n1 or is it 7bit? 
Jan 21 02:37:38 <billk> should be on the wiki but I cant find it
Jan 21 02:37:50 <billk> need it for minicom ...
Jan 21 02:40:45 <mickeyl> 115200 8N1
Jan 21 02:42:28 <billk> mickeyl: tkx, will have to keep looking as to why the thing is reluctant
Jan 21 02:42:46 <billk> to talk to anything, but at least if the settings are right
Jan 21 02:51:39 <mickeyl> might as well run gsm0710muxd and open a mickeyterm 
Jan 21 02:51:52 <mickeyl> it will initialize the modem for you, switch to muxer mode, and give you a terminal
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