**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 02:59:58 2009 Feb 16 03:41:25 Hey jury Feb 16 03:42:27 still lamenting over the yet to be resolved bug reports? Feb 16 04:29:40 hi juri_ Feb 16 04:29:46 :D Feb 16 04:39:52 burrp Feb 16 04:40:06 these 6410's are definitely better than the 2442 Feb 16 04:40:15 but omap3 still beats the pants off it Feb 16 04:40:51 hells yeah! Feb 16 04:40:54 roflkd8 Feb 16 04:41:41 * raster goes back to his new toy Feb 16 04:41:56 OooOooOoooh! Feb 16 04:42:28 raster: new toy? Feb 16 04:42:34 toy Feb 16 04:43:23 for now let me just pretend that its a 6410 dev board with lots of interesting devices attached Feb 16 04:43:32 but it doest look like a dev board Feb 16 04:44:05 more like a shiny black fits-in-the-palm case with a miniature one inside... and screen etc. attached :) Feb 16 04:44:22 anything else and i'd have to kill you if i told you :) Feb 16 04:46:49 ah, that'd be why mickey just checked in a gta03 machine config to OE then ... Feb 16 04:47:05 I was wondering if it was a Palm Pre or something ... Feb 16 04:47:06 ooooh damn - he beat me to it Feb 16 04:47:11 no Feb 16 04:47:15 palm pre is omap3 based Feb 16 04:47:20 i have... something else Feb 16 04:47:45 its a fair way ahead of the gta03 in development as well as specs Feb 16 04:48:30 hmm Feb 16 04:48:38 how's the graphics bus speed? Feb 16 04:48:39 rwhitby: do u have unwired down there south? Feb 16 04:48:51 unwired? Feb 16 04:49:08 www.unwired.com.au Feb 16 04:49:34 wireless broadband Feb 16 04:49:55 as for gfx bus Feb 16 04:49:58 there is no "bus" Feb 16 04:50:00 gfx is in ram Feb 16 04:50:04 ie memory bus speed Feb 16 04:50:33 aah ok Feb 16 04:50:42 only sydney and melbourne atm Feb 16 04:50:45 raster: seems unwired is nsw and vic only so far Feb 16 04:50:46 yeah Feb 16 04:50:53 aah well Feb 16 04:51:31 i guess i'll need to find out more info on how it works... Feb 16 04:51:34 anyway Feb 16 04:52:36 is it wimax or something else? Feb 16 04:53:16 6410 in compute power seems about 1/2 that of the omap3 @ 500mhz (vs 6410 @ 533) Feb 16 04:53:26 unwirted is mobile wimax Feb 16 04:53:35 wimax basic cant handle motion Feb 16 04:53:35 http://www.airspan.com/PR_Downloads/2004%20Aus.pdf Feb 16 04:53:43 ie u cant drive down the road using it Feb 16 04:53:46 wimax mobile can Feb 16 04:53:55 looks like it's 802.16a Feb 16 04:54:22 hmmm Feb 16 04:54:28 3.4ghz Feb 16 04:54:37 i think i may have the wrong spectrum... boo Feb 16 04:55:06 * rwhitby wonders what other new device has a 6410 and could be a nice toy for raster ... Feb 16 04:55:17 2.3-2.4ghz Feb 16 04:55:46 rwhitby: if i cant tell u what it is.. chances are.. it doesn't exist yet... in public Feb 16 04:55:52 * rwhitby thinks mwc09 should be open by now ... Feb 16 04:56:19 i need to see about cominb up with a ubifs based build for a 65410 tho Feb 16 04:56:59 ah, lots of flash then ... Feb 16 04:57:07 tho now i have scored myself an i780.. n4eed to ditch winmo and throw linux onto it Feb 16 04:57:18 err for a 6410 Feb 16 04:57:25 the i780 is pxq310 based tho Feb 16 04:57:30 so not too hard Feb 16 04:58:45 err pxa Feb 16 04:59:38 http://www.wmexperts.com/tags/mwc09 Feb 16 04:59:47 wow... that.. loooks... familiar... Feb 16 05:00:43 damn Feb 16 05:00:51 scarily familiar... Feb 16 05:00:57 http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/02/09/samsung-to-revamp-touchwiz-for-mwc09/ Feb 16 05:02:50 i do have to say Feb 16 05:03:03 the gta0'2 resistive ts is pretty poor .. compared to some others Feb 16 05:08:27 i wonder if they will get gl-es working Feb 16 05:08:37 in time for gta03 Feb 16 05:12:49 raster: I'm working with someone on i780 Feb 16 05:13:13 we had a zylonite kernel booting and are now working on getting a better board implementation Feb 16 05:16:05 tmzt: i may be able to help... Feb 16 05:16:55 hey lama Feb 16 05:17:04 hey Feb 16 05:17:33 what's up Feb 16 05:18:40 aaah bugger Feb 16 05:18:42 sorry - no Feb 16 05:18:57 dont have anythng useful (at the moment) Feb 16 05:19:55 actually... Feb 16 05:19:59 i can... Feb 16 05:20:09 but... i am missing src Feb 16 05:20:15 oh, sorry, we don't know anything about the optical mouse I think the keyboard is matrix but we haven't done much with that Feb 16 05:20:52 keyboard is matrix and most of it works now Feb 16 05:21:03 i have played with an it8 with a full working linux sys on it Feb 16 05:21:08 err i780 Feb 16 05:21:31 i can see if i can get some help Feb 16 05:21:36 what do u need the most atm? Feb 16 05:21:38 kernel src? Feb 16 05:22:17 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481144 Feb 16 05:23:09 here is link for kernel with keyboard support, no src afaik Feb 16 05:23:52 raster: do you own i780? Feb 16 05:25:05 lama: yes. and a few other goodies besides that Feb 16 05:25:58 I see :) Feb 16 06:23:36 raster: hey, welcome back :-) read you have interesting new stuff to play with... Feb 16 06:24:11 raster: just one question... you somewhere wrote that if icons don't show up in illume launcher it might be the fault of wrong menu files Feb 16 06:24:34 what do I have to put there? With newer EFL versions I lost icons... Feb 16 06:26:55 juri_: thanks for the ophonekitd output... wanted to ask fo that today :-) Feb 16 06:27:08 will take a look into it later Feb 16 06:27:21 ummmm Feb 16 06:27:24 works for me Feb 16 06:27:28 /etc/xdg/menus Feb 16 06:27:33 put in an applications.menu Feb 16 06:27:40 forst with latest efl for me here Feb 16 06:27:55 (not openembedded tho.. but that doesnt make a difference) Feb 16 06:29:27 raster: strange... Feb 16 06:30:00 raster: what are e-wm-utils needed for? or better... what will fail if they aren't there? Feb 16 06:43:32 mrmoku: utils are the init splash for e, thumbnailer for fiulemanager and file selector widget, the filemanager backi-end process, the e-sys hook (That manages suspsend/shutdown etc.) generically Feb 16 06:43:42 its a bunch of small executable utils e builds and uses Feb 16 06:45:48 raster: so... a missing thumbnailer might make the icons disappear? Feb 16 06:46:17 * mrmoku thinks he built newer efl with the patch to remove e-wm-utils from install needed for the old efl Feb 16 06:46:41 * mrmoku is rebuilding without that patch now :-) Feb 16 06:48:25 hmm Feb 16 06:48:26 no Feb 16 06:48:33 that'd screwe with thumbnailing jpg's etc. Feb 16 06:49:04 it all works with latest efl for me Feb 16 06:49:06 so beats ms Feb 16 06:50:27 hmm, rebuilding now. because one of the symptoms was a not working sys menu. no poweroff. no suspend. Feb 16 07:00:16 that would be a missing e-utils for sure Feb 16 07:30:09 oooh of course Feb 16 07:30:10 yes Feb 16 07:30:16 icons missing woudl also be missing utils Feb 16 07:30:19 as the icons are the fm Feb 16 07:30:23 and the fm reauires its backend Feb 16 07:30:27 requires Feb 16 07:30:57 raster: ok.. thanks :-) Feb 16 07:31:33 another issue I had was Keyboard flap up not working... keyboard is there but I can't change it to another layout, because it shows no menu with the keyboards... Feb 16 07:31:37 any idea about that? Feb 16 07:31:43 i know Feb 16 07:31:53 there are changes i made to ilist to queue adds over time Feb 16 07:31:59 as some uses of it really abuse it Feb 16 07:32:02 and make it slow to come up Feb 16 07:32:12 but now it cant calculate the size because items are not added yet Feb 16 07:32:19 and thus its 0 height Feb 16 07:32:22 as nothng is there.. yet Feb 16 07:32:23 just queued Feb 16 07:32:34 hehe :-) Feb 16 07:32:55 will be fixed some time soon? Feb 16 07:33:12 sometime soon Feb 16 07:33:15 in the next few weeks Feb 16 07:33:33 ok Feb 16 09:34:38 g'morning Feb 16 09:39:27 morning Feb 16 09:40:01 good morning projektdotnet Feb 16 09:40:49 good morning indeed Feb 16 09:41:05 although it's pretty early in the mountain time zone right now lol Feb 16 09:41:44 is that gmt-8 ? Feb 16 09:42:34 -7 I thought, it's 2:42am right now Feb 16 10:25:33 mickey|zzZZzz: ping... is GetPowerStatus supposed to work on gta01? Feb 16 10:28:01 PaulFertser_: I know why ophonekitd is segfaulting :-) Feb 16 10:28:07 Ainulindale: ping Feb 16 10:29:01 yes Feb 16 10:29:19 Ainulindale: libframeworkd-glib uses g_error in various places... this is wrong, no? Feb 16 10:29:23 mrmoku: well :) it looked like non-working GetPowerStatus was guilty from the beginning. But segfault is bad anyway ;) Feb 16 10:29:31 mrmoku: I don't know Feb 16 10:29:37 thing is g_error does abort() Feb 16 10:29:49 mrmoku: I'm a bit numb today, I have difficulties to think straight Feb 16 10:30:23 Ainulindale: a library doing abort is wrong... me thinks :-) Feb 16 10:30:49 I agree Feb 16 10:32:16 Ainulindale: ok... will fix that and use g_warning instead then Feb 16 10:32:16 Nonetheless I'm not able to decide or act today and for a long period of time I think Feb 16 10:32:16 My girlfriend left me yesterday after two weeks of "I don't know what to do" Feb 16 10:32:16 :( very sorry for that Feb 16 10:32:16 So I'm a bit numb and waiting for things to happen Feb 16 10:32:41 Yeah, sorry to say that too, I just don't know what to do and what you guys should expect of me, I'd rather be frank Feb 16 10:33:38 Ainulindale: take your time to get your thoughts straight... we're missing you... but real life has more importance Feb 16 10:34:27 :-/ Feb 16 10:34:40 :( Feb 16 10:34:42 Ainulindale: btw. I was wrong... it's not lfg doing g_error... ophonekitd instead Feb 16 10:35:18 PaulFertser_: is GetPowerStatus supposed to not work on gta01? Feb 16 10:35:48 mrmoku: well I don't expect much about real life these days Feb 16 10:36:32 mrmoku: i think it's supposed to work, but it wasn't according to what juri_ said. Feb 16 10:40:32 Ainulindale: I remember how it feels to be in your situation... though it was quite long ago. But be sure that better things are supposed to come along. Feb 16 10:42:15 well I bet that some other went through that Feb 16 10:42:23 it's just that this time it's me, and I don't know how to handle it Feb 16 10:42:53 Plus my car is parked right besides hers, and we were living together, in her parents' building Feb 16 10:42:58 So it's not easy on me Feb 16 10:43:10 (and it's her birthday wednesday) Feb 16 10:43:29 ouch :( Feb 16 11:22:35 raster: building an image with e-wm-utils brings back the icons in illume :-) though brings back cpu usage also :( somehow related to it... Feb 16 11:26:38 using the latest SHR image (unstable) when I attempt to launch openmoko-contacts I get an error stating the resource device is not enabled Feb 16 11:27:27 seems to happen on the call ogsmd_sim_retrieve_messagebook_callback() Feb 16 11:28:09 projektdotnet: hmmm, latest from last night? and do you have pin and/or reflashed gsm firmware? Feb 16 11:28:48 no pin but I did update the firmware a few months ago Feb 16 11:29:03 back around the time where they said the firmware would fix the calipso bug IIRC Feb 16 11:30:00 projektdotnet: there is a new firmware from some days/weeks ago... maybe you just have to wait a little longer... for the sim to get ready Feb 16 11:30:20 ok the firmware i updated to was in november (moko10) Feb 16 11:30:54 projektdotnet: there is moko11b which is interesting (fixes resume on incoming call) Feb 16 11:31:00 but not related to your problem... Feb 16 11:31:36 what other interesting fixes show up in that one? Feb 16 11:31:47 openmoko-contacts does not check if the resource is up and ready... does it work if you retry later Feb 16 11:32:11 hardware handshaking for calypso talking with SoC... which fixes some overruns Feb 16 11:32:16 phone has an uptime of 10 min so far and still has disabled for now Feb 16 11:32:27 maybe i'll update the gsm later out of boredem Feb 16 11:32:52 hmm, that is wrong then... could you pastebin /var/log/ophonekitd.log? Feb 16 11:33:33 sure, one min Feb 16 11:36:02 http://pastebin.com/m7df77f56 Feb 16 11:36:35 wait, on SHR when it registers it should show the name of the GSM provider correct? Feb 16 11:38:17 projektdotnet: when did you install the image? looks like it is not latest... Feb 16 11:38:47 sometime around midnight UTC-6 or so Feb 16 11:39:07 should i run an opkg upgrade? Feb 16 11:40:01 projektdotnet: try update & upgrade if you get something new... Feb 16 11:40:02 brb Feb 16 11:40:09 ok Feb 16 11:41:55 looks like there is definitly updates I hadn't installed, will try again if it fails after the updates are applied Feb 16 11:43:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r6f74f4e55752 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: add Cinterion mc75i commands to command-line-completion and make it a set Feb 16 11:45:42 Ainulindale: if you need some distraction... I built an image for gta01 which might be interesting to test Feb 16 11:45:47 juri_: ping Feb 16 11:47:17 mrmoku: well I don't have the heart to do anything Feb 16 11:47:29 Ainulindale: ok Feb 16 11:51:51 mrmoku: thanks, the upgrade resolved the issue Feb 16 11:52:00 :-) Feb 16 11:52:18 getting a lot of screen blanking now though Feb 16 11:53:39 projektdotnet: you can adjust screen blanking in shr-settings app under Power Management Feb 16 11:53:49 was actually headed there Feb 16 12:02:00 mrmoku: which setting actually blanks the screen in shr-settings? Feb 16 12:03:05 mrmoku: nm figured it out Feb 16 12:03:08 idle_dim dims... don't know if idle_prelock or idle_lock blanks... Feb 16 12:03:10 ahh,ok Feb 16 12:03:20 idle dim blanks the screen out Feb 16 12:03:53 is there plans to add multiple power profiles (ex: charging vs discharging?) Feb 16 12:03:55 ahh, yeah. idle_dim is the time it stays in dimmed state Feb 16 12:04:22 it does behave differently when charging... it should not suspend Feb 16 12:04:44 ok so the display will just dim while connected to USB or charger Feb 16 12:05:26 yep. but you should be able to adjust that by creating some nice rules for frameworkd Feb 16 12:05:52 search for rules.yaml in /etc/freesmartphone Feb 16 12:06:16 ok I have seen that file mentioned a few times on the community list Feb 16 12:11:45 mrmoku: is there an equivelant in SHR to a .bashrc file? Feb 16 12:12:19 projektdotnet: /etc/profile Feb 16 12:13:03 thanks, I keep forgetting that I should look at the OM distros as a single-user env not multiuser Feb 16 12:14:48 projektdotnet: is SHR an OM distro? Feb 16 12:15:24 mrmoku: idle_dim activates the screensaver nowadays (on gta02) Feb 16 12:15:26 projektdotnet: ah you mean openmoko the hardware and not openmoko the company Feb 16 12:15:34 lindi-: exactly Feb 16 12:15:46 mrmoku: but so does the illume power setting gadget. Feb 16 12:16:10 spaetz_: the illume power gadget didn't properly update the settings Feb 16 12:16:21 projektdotnet: then debian is OM distro too, and i run debian as multiuser :) Feb 16 12:16:24 but I haven't found out how to disable illume default settings 8or how to remove the illume power gadget altoghether Feb 16 12:16:55 projektdotnet: I know, shr-settings (ie frameworkd and illume power settings currently work totally independent of each other) and overlap/conflict Feb 16 12:17:51 spaetz_: not a problem, I don't usually use my FR as my daily phone so I don't run into these issues usually but I like to play around with it to see how usable they are becoming Feb 16 12:19:12 rate it is going I might be able to start using this as my daily phone actually Feb 16 12:20:35 mrmoku: i received answer from ken young (athor of orrery) Feb 16 12:20:43 and he says he does not know how to make a bitbake recipe Feb 16 12:23:06 Zorkman: ok... will try it myself then Feb 16 12:25:53 mrmoku: he also asked a few shr-fso specific questions Feb 16 12:26:05 can i forward the mail to you? (since i'm not able to answer them) Feb 16 12:26:14 yep Feb 16 12:26:32 or better still... forward it to shr-devel list Feb 16 12:36:20 mrmoku: do you have any ideas why we don't receive mails from the shr-devel list until the 12/02 ? Feb 16 12:39:38 resolvconf is failing to fetch :x Feb 16 12:56:27 mrmoku: do you have an shr image with the changes available? mine are over 300mb and im having trouble getting them to the phone Feb 16 13:01:23 toggles_w: 300mb? ouch ;) yep build.shr-project.org has them Feb 16 13:01:41 lite-image only though... Feb 16 13:04:23 toogles_w have you limited locales? GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = XXX or disabled ;) Feb 16 13:05:21 mrmoku thanks for fixing ophonekitd, i was in trouble after flashing new firmware :) Feb 16 13:05:46 von_fritz: hehe, me too :-) Feb 16 13:06:13 ptitjes: hmm... right you are... don't know though Feb 16 13:09:48 ptitjes: if somehow possible we should move the list somewhere else... Feb 16 13:10:03 I do believe the same Feb 16 13:10:43 mrmoku: thanks mate Feb 16 13:14:24 mrmoku: (ml) om? if so you need to complain at roh Feb 16 13:15:57 mrmoku: what make target do you use to get the lite image? is it a make target or a config, im loogin at the config on build.sh-project and not seeing a achnage Feb 16 13:18:35 docscrutinizer2: yep... projects ml admin-trac? Feb 16 13:18:55 toggles_w: shr-lite-image Feb 16 13:19:00 yup admin trac sounds good Feb 16 13:19:03 mrmoku: thanks Feb 16 13:19:28 docscrutinizer2: thanks Feb 16 13:19:37 mrmoku: no rule to make target Feb 16 13:19:41 np Feb 16 13:20:06 hmm.. i guess it is there from the top level make Feb 16 13:24:21 toggles_w: IMAGE_TARGET in conf/auto.conf Feb 16 13:24:54 mrmoku: yeah, in unstable there is only IMAGE_TARGET = "shr-image" Feb 16 13:25:40 ok, changes that to lite and it's off Feb 16 13:25:41 thansk Feb 16 13:27:58 ptitjes: I reported to admin-trac Feb 16 13:29:11 mrmoku: anybody know what the new GSM firmware provides? Is it worth upgrading? Feb 16 13:29:24 mrmoku: i reported to roh ;D Feb 16 13:29:45 hehe... give him some pressure :D Feb 16 13:29:45 roh: hi Feb 16 13:29:49 re Feb 16 13:30:31 roh: shr-devel list broke... Feb 16 13:30:36 which list Feb 16 13:30:38 roh is immunised against pressure ;) he needs info Feb 16 13:30:43 i need some mailaddr. Feb 16 13:30:45 shr-devel@projects.openmoko.org Feb 16 13:30:50 aaaah. Feb 16 13:31:07 this explains why i couldnt find it anywhere Feb 16 13:31:16 * mrmoku thinks its a good thing to have people that are immune to pressure and open for info :-) Feb 16 13:32:47 well.. last mail on the 10th... Feb 16 13:34:13 and whats the problem? Feb 16 13:34:23 sending mail borked? Feb 16 13:34:32 mrmoku: ??? Feb 16 13:34:36 ptitjes: ??? Feb 16 13:35:01 it was ptitjes reporting its broken... and 6 days without mail is indeed strange for shr-devel Feb 16 13:35:21 and there were some trac mails that go the list too me thinks Feb 16 13:35:32 got them directly... normally I get duplicates Feb 16 13:35:51 trapped by statistics ;) Feb 16 13:35:55 * mrmoku tries Feb 16 13:38:37 mrmoku as who are you subscribed? Feb 16 13:38:55 roh: mok@mnet-online.de Feb 16 13:39:11 * mrmoku is not frightend of spam :P Feb 16 13:39:32 all looks good.. so far Feb 16 13:39:39 budfive: moko11 fixes resume deadlock, and possible uart fifo overflow Feb 16 13:40:09 roh: hmmm. so you saw my test mail? Feb 16 13:40:09 hmm Feb 16 13:40:27 docscritinizer2: where can i find moko11? Feb 16 13:40:37 see readme Feb 16 13:40:44 it went in Feb 16 13:40:45 2009-02-16 14:36:35 1LZ3eF-0006t7-MN <= mok@mnet-online.de H=mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.9] P=esmtp S=1500 id=20090216133629.GA24155@fluxnetz.de Feb 16 13:40:45 2009-02-16 14:36:35 1LZ3eF-0006t7-MN => shr-devel R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport Feb 16 13:40:45 2009-02-16 14:36:35 1LZ3eF-0006t7-MN Completed Feb 16 13:41:06 DocScrutinizer: were these faults manifested in common bugs? is it likely i've been bitten by these previously? Feb 16 13:41:08 people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_fw Feb 16 13:41:10 now i have moko8 Feb 16 13:41:12 ;] Feb 16 13:41:22 docscrutinizer2: thx Feb 16 13:41:30 np Feb 16 13:42:13 budfive: no resume on inbound call might well have hit you Feb 16 13:42:15 muha Feb 16 13:42:25 restarted mailman and it started spewing messages Feb 16 13:42:32 lol Feb 16 13:42:33 docscrutinizer2: I see. Thanks. Feb 16 13:42:34 roh: :-) Feb 16 13:42:49 * mrmoku is waiting for the flood ;) Feb 16 13:43:07 ok, bye fellas. really time for my coffee now Feb 16 13:43:08 roh: thanks :-) Feb 16 13:43:19 roh: thnx Feb 16 13:45:49 budfive: be aware the fixed fw seems to trigger a bug in some userland phone app. So maybe you want to update this one as well same time Feb 16 13:46:58 please can someone take over from here? ;-) Feb 16 13:47:07 docscrutinizer2: go and get your coffee :-) Feb 16 13:54:45 mrmoku: 22min response time. Still think you need to move list? Feb 16 13:56:49 *mumble* ... ok.. now i know what happened Feb 16 13:57:48 shakti (downloads) got a _huge_ rsync of stuff after the buildhost was up again and basically filled up the fs on the 10th.. we fixed that, but mailman didnt die, still acceptes messages, just didnt send them out from there it seems Feb 16 13:58:11 [x] unix sw still sucks in error-handling and proper recovery without restart ;) Feb 16 13:58:56 roh, some people partition their file systems to prevent that sprt of thing ;) Feb 16 13:59:04 sort* Feb 16 13:59:06 that's true for all sw not being written by myself ;-) Feb 16 13:59:24 hehe Doc++ Feb 16 13:59:26 * DocScrutinizer is king of error management in sw Feb 16 13:59:48 docscrutinizer2: response time is good... yeah :-) though devel@shr-project.org would be the nicer address ;) Feb 16 14:00:30 roh: ouch :-) Feb 16 14:00:56 the frontier line is somewhere near setting up a watchdog for a fopen() Feb 16 14:01:39 mrmoku: you made a note on bug #232, saying that it should be fixed in the latest image. Did you mean the shr-unstable image that's on the server now? Thanks a lot. Feb 16 14:02:00 in my progs it's not unusual >50% are error catching and recovery Feb 16 14:02:27 counted by srccode lines Feb 16 14:02:45 budfive: yeah... should be fixed. if not please bug me :-) Feb 16 14:03:25 * mrmoku is going to stuff some error handling into libframeworkd-phonegui-efl now :P Feb 16 14:03:28 mrmoku: ok. thank you very much for dealing with this one. Feb 16 14:03:36 budfive: np Feb 16 14:07:14 hi, im having some problems on building shr image. is this the place to ask for help? Feb 16 14:07:38 it fails when compiling gcc-cross-initial Feb 16 14:07:59 husku: huh... in the very beginning :-) Feb 16 14:08:14 what system are you building on Feb 16 14:08:15 ? Feb 16 14:08:59 mrmoku: its an Linux 2.6.25-hardened-r11 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Feb 16 14:09:15 mrmoku: gentoo Feb 16 14:09:56 husku: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OEandYourDistro#Gentoo_instructions Feb 16 14:10:38 the error starts like: checking for library containing strerror... /bin/sh: line 17: 15984 Segmentation fault CONFIG_SITE=no-such-file /bin/sh ${libsrcdir}/configure --cache-file=../config.cache --build=x86_64-linux --host=x86_64-linux --target=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi Feb 16 14:11:55 mrmoku: thanks for the url, looks like i've done all those parts already Feb 16 14:12:05 husku: I'm afraid I won't be of much help with that... you could try #oe Feb 16 14:12:13 this looks like an oe problem Feb 16 14:12:21 mrmoku: thanks Feb 16 14:12:52 husku: np, sorry that I can't help you... Feb 16 14:21:22 ptitjes: got your mail - ml is working again :-) Feb 16 14:21:28 fluid hangs on "Bootloader: (reset target)" Feb 16 14:21:28 fine Feb 16 14:21:50 dos1: it takes its time there IIRC Feb 16 14:24:01 mrmoku: oh, it was my fault Feb 16 14:24:14 mrmoku: typo - "FLUD_PORT" instead of "FLUID_PORT" :D Feb 16 14:24:18 :-) Feb 16 14:27:22 mrmoku: yeah great! did you read it ? Feb 16 14:28:01 ptitjes: yep. and I while take a look at your .bb's today... I think we're real close to a new testing image now Feb 16 14:28:28 ahh... and you should take a look at the SimReady fixes I did to ophonekitd Feb 16 14:29:53 mrmoku: cool thanks Feb 16 14:30:08 mrmoku: release soon ? is the e bug fixed ? Feb 16 14:30:11 :p Feb 16 14:31:17 mrmoku: and the sms messages bug ? Feb 16 14:31:41 (sorry I didn't follow those issue quite well :D) Feb 16 14:32:55 hmm Feb 16 14:33:17 with new firmware there is another regression Feb 16 14:33:30 SIM module in shr-settings doesn't work Feb 16 14:34:43 oups Feb 16 14:35:03 ouh Feb 16 14:35:05 now it works Feb 16 14:35:09 interesting Feb 16 14:37:25 ptitjes: neither is fixed ;) Feb 16 14:37:40 the sms thing doesn't matter though as long as we keep the old efl Feb 16 14:38:12 mrmoku: but with old efl there is slow dictionary prolem Feb 16 14:38:18 s/prolem/problem/ Feb 16 14:38:18 dos1 meant: mrmoku: but with old efl there is slow dictionary problem Feb 16 14:38:18 mrmoku: so what the status is on this ? do we keep old efl ? Feb 16 14:38:20 dos1: thats with new efl too Feb 16 14:38:31 mrmoku: oh. so that is not fixed now? Feb 16 14:38:41 didi someone tried running clutter demos ? Feb 16 14:38:57 I might do a phonegui-clutter in the futur :D Feb 16 14:39:17 ptitjes: if we don't fix the sms bug... I want to try and use elementary lists in the sms app... maybe it gets fixed by that :P Feb 16 14:39:28 dos1: nop... not yet fixed... and no fix in sight Feb 16 14:55:48 mrmoku: pong! Feb 16 14:56:03 juri_: hey... there is some new stuff to try out :-) Feb 16 14:57:07 yay! images available in the usual place, i presume? Feb 16 14:57:28 juri_: yep... you might even try to opkg update & upgrade Feb 16 14:59:55 * juri_ tries. Feb 16 15:00:27 * mrmoku is crossing fingers Feb 16 15:03:27 ran out of disk space. earth shattering kaboom. Feb 16 15:04:18 you know, for a 'lite' image, this has a lot of crap thats not needed to be A PHONE. ;) Feb 16 15:05:29 juri_: ouch :( Feb 16 15:06:04 too far gone. Feb 16 15:06:08 time to re-flash. Feb 16 15:06:28 so, who do i beat about the head reguarding default package selection for a GTA01? Feb 16 15:06:42 do i really need htop to be a cellphone? Feb 16 15:06:58 juri_: yep... we still have to trim down the packages for gta01... Feb 16 15:07:19 ok, my phone is now brick-like. reflash time! Feb 16 15:07:37 (btw, i needed to use this thing, to help keep a 'friend' out of jail. thanks for the excuse. ;) Feb 16 15:08:07 I remember Ainulindale had a hard time to make it even fit on a gta01 Feb 16 15:09:46 yes, but a GPS application? Feb 16 15:10:05 juri_: it has GPS... no? ;) Feb 16 15:10:06 who thought that belongs on the GTA01, since theres no 'legal' way to run the GPS? Feb 16 15:10:17 * juri_ has gilin, but thats besides the point. ;) Feb 16 15:10:29 juri_: why that? I know people use GPS on the gta01 Feb 16 15:11:21 i would think you'd install a GPS app on the microsd, not in the unit. Feb 16 15:11:45 since we're having major problems in making it make phone calls using just the built-in flash... Feb 16 15:12:32 meh. its first thing in the morning, and my phone just became bricklike. pardon my complaining. ;) Feb 16 15:12:41 juri_: why not use SD card only? split stuff between flash/SD is difficult Feb 16 15:44:04 haha juri :P Feb 16 15:49:42 mrmoku: no good reason. only that the directions i have for 'flashing the device' do not tell you how to do that. ;) Feb 16 15:50:28 :-) don't know how to do that for gta01 Feb 16 15:51:09 well then. here we are. ;) Feb 16 15:51:22 * mrmoku shudders in fear Feb 16 15:58:57 juri_: so.... how is it? Feb 16 16:00:01 yay, mails arriving Feb 16 16:00:30 mrmoku: seen the mail with re to avahi breaking wifi? Feb 16 16:00:55 * spaetz_ still votes for removing if no aboslute hard dependency :) Feb 16 16:01:37 spaetz_: the wifi not working thread? Feb 16 16:03:17 Re: [Shr-devel] Wifi not working on 2009 01 29 Feb 16 16:03:28 mail by scholbert@web.de Feb 16 16:03:47 yep... hmm never tried wifi on the neo Feb 16 16:03:52 * mrmoku powers up the AP Feb 16 16:04:08 I guess this is the crucial line "On my device avahi hooks up on eth0, so this might be the reason why udhcpd Feb 16 16:04:11 requests fail. Feb 16 16:04:12 * juri_ runs to work. late. Feb 16 16:04:24 After i disabled the service completely and prevented udhcpc to start Feb 16 16:04:25 avahi-autoipd (/etc/udhcpc.d) Feb 16 16:04:25 my freerunner was able to obtain a valid IP form my AP. Feb 16 16:20:33 mrmoku, hey Feb 16 16:27:39 about GPS on SHR. sometimes I can't read ubx binary response data after writing polling data. It works well before 2.6.28 kernel Feb 16 16:28:12 Sharwin_F: flash it :-) Feb 16 16:28:29 mickeyl: I was laughed at when people hear Arkanoid :) seriously Feb 16 16:28:46 i don't question that Feb 16 16:29:05 there are many people who passed the 80s without being involved in IT Feb 16 16:29:12 *shrug* Feb 16 16:29:55 I love tech of the 80s :), just not a ringtone that sounds like static noise Feb 16 16:30:14 well Feb 16 16:30:22 i happen to be the author of a certain program Feb 16 16:30:31 and guess what the #1 requested feature is Feb 16 16:30:37 convert a sid to ringtone Feb 16 16:30:52 mickeyl, hey, just a thought.. i was wondering, for some dbus methods which return nothing, i was thinking may be a boolean True or False for success and failure? Feb 16 16:30:59 but nevermind, SHR will just provide a nice graphical ringtone selector and all will be happy :) Feb 16 16:31:18 mrmoku, (I'll better flash tomorrow, no time today) I opkg upgraded last changes yesterday, and have a bug with suspend Feb 16 16:31:23 sudharsh: to be honest, i don't like that. dbus errors are there for a reason. Feb 16 16:31:36 true/false is so limited, i'd rather have explicit "speaking" errors Feb 16 16:31:39 Sharwin_F: yeah? Feb 16 16:31:59 mrmoku, when I press the button to launch the quit/suspend menu, it does it but it also suspends without pressing the screen button after Feb 16 16:32:02 mickeyl, doh, ok.. i totally forgot about a thing called 'Exceptions'.. bleh to me Feb 16 16:32:05 :) Feb 16 16:32:21 we use them a lot in FSO, you should read our docs ;) Feb 16 16:32:26 by the way Feb 16 16:32:26 mrmoku, so sometimes after suspending automatically I resume, it just suspends automatically because I pressed before the screen button from the menu Feb 16 16:32:42 can you give me an update? how's your classes running? Feb 16 16:32:53 * mrmoku checks rules.yaml Feb 16 16:33:05 mickeyl, yeah i did.. but all i can do is throw a generic vala exception Feb 16 16:33:17 mickeyl, was that for me? Feb 16 16:33:19 mrmoku, I'll flash the image to see if it gets solved Feb 16 16:33:20 sudharsh: right, i already complained about that with jürg Feb 16 16:33:22 sudharsh: yeah Feb 16 16:33:57 mickeyl, gets over.. this may.. semesters were delayed a bit owing to some political problems here... we are late by about 20 days Feb 16 16:34:09 Sharwin_F: check rules.yaml first... Feb 16 16:34:25 sudharsh: uh oh. hope you're all right. Feb 16 16:34:33 mrmoku, path? what i should look for? Feb 16 16:35:09 Sharwin_F: /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml Feb 16 16:35:09 mickeyl, hehe.. the colleges were closed thats all.. :D, all institutions in my state were indefinitely closed.. things are normal now Feb 16 16:35:23 comment out the first rule... don't know how that got back in :( Feb 16 16:35:27 ok Feb 16 16:36:09 mrmoku: probably me, I updated to later upstream as t had obsolete rules with regard to screen blanking. Feb 16 16:36:13 * spaetz checks the first rule Feb 16 16:36:16 spaetz: yeah just found it ;) Feb 16 16:36:22 mickeyl, thank you for your concern :) Feb 16 16:36:34 you updated to new rules.yaml (which is good) and left that rule in :P Feb 16 16:36:49 sudharsh: np, you know I still would love to have you on board, but i think you should finish your studies not being distracted by us Feb 16 16:37:14 mrmoku, "trigger: InputEvent()" line? Feb 16 16:37:17 mrmoku: should I remove 2st rule? Feb 16 16:37:21 1st? Feb 16 16:37:22 Sharwin_F: yep Feb 16 16:37:31 just that line? Feb 16 16:37:32 spaetz: uncomment it Feb 16 16:37:40 Sharwin_F: no the whole rule Feb 16 16:37:46 ok, will comment out and commit Feb 16 16:37:52 from trigger to actions Feb 16 16:37:56 mickeyl, point taken.. :D Feb 16 16:38:31 mrmoku, should I restart anything then? Feb 16 16:38:34 Sharwin_F: you have to restart frameworkd after that Feb 16 16:38:57 mickeyl: it is still necessary to restart frameworkd when fiddling with rules.yaml directly? Feb 16 16:39:41 mrmoku: i'm afraid so, yeah. we should have inotify watches for that Feb 16 16:40:02 mickeyl: would be cool, yeah :-) Feb 16 16:40:25 at least an explicit reload call would be better than nothing Feb 16 16:40:53 let me cook something up Feb 16 16:42:18 ok git wizards, how do I debug a push conflict: Feb 16 16:42:19 ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast forward) Feb 16 16:42:19 error: failed to push some refs to 'git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay.git' Feb 16 16:42:30 spaetz: pull pull pull :-) Feb 16 16:42:39 I git-fetched Feb 16 16:42:42 * spaetz pulls Feb 16 16:42:45 you better Feb 16 16:42:46 git pull --rebase Feb 16 16:43:04 yay, pull is better than fetch Feb 16 16:43:08 success Feb 16 16:43:13 spaetz: git pull = fetch + merge Feb 16 16:43:22 mrmoku: try now (untested) Feb 16 16:43:26 if you don't pull the new stuff won't get into your worktree Feb 16 16:43:39 mrmoku: that is weird, as I issues "git-fetch" and "git-merge" and both succeeded Feb 16 16:43:51 but pushing had still failed, "pull" on the other hand worked Feb 16 16:44:08 anyway, fixed rules.yaml. Shame on me Feb 16 16:44:25 mickeyl: you pushed something? no CIA bot around? Feb 16 16:44:32 bot seems to be hanging Feb 16 16:46:42 :D Feb 16 16:46:44 mickeyl: ok... will try. Have to build it first Feb 16 16:47:32 well, it's a four liner Feb 16 16:47:38 you can just edit the .py file Feb 16 16:47:48 hehe, ok Feb 16 16:53:50 mickeyl: it reparses the rules... but does not reload the file, possible? Feb 16 16:54:11 is suspend from illume menu "compatible" with frameworkd? Feb 16 16:54:27 dos1: i'm afraid not. it should call a dbus function Feb 16 16:54:30 dos1: it was... and will be again ;) Feb 16 16:54:30 alternatively install fso-apmd Feb 16 16:54:35 err Feb 16 16:54:36 fso-apm Feb 16 16:54:53 mrmoku: no idea, to be frank. i've not much experience with this subsystem. I'll take a closer look when i have a chance Feb 16 16:55:03 mickeyl: ok... not that important :-) Feb 16 16:55:39 mickeyl: regarding illume and suspend... we have a shell script with mdbus call for that Feb 16 16:56:15 mrmoku: where? Feb 16 16:56:15 oh, good Feb 16 16:56:25 dos1: /etc/enlightenment/suspend.sh Feb 16 16:56:29 although fso-apm is probably useful anyways Feb 16 16:56:32 for command line folks Feb 16 16:56:42 it mimicks the apm command line Feb 16 16:56:44 and understands -s Feb 16 16:56:52 as well as shows the battery capacity Feb 16 16:57:31 should work with lots of apm client programs too then... Feb 16 16:57:42 do you use it in FSO? Feb 16 16:58:26 we don't ship it yet, but only because we don't know how to do it in oe Feb 16 16:58:35 it's the same problem as with gpsd/fso-gspd Feb 16 17:00:20 but we'll work that out Feb 16 17:00:28 resolvconf 1.28 is deleted from debian mirrors Feb 16 17:00:31 mickeyl: we have +RCONFLICTS_${PN} = "gpsd" Feb 16 17:00:31 +RREPLACES_${PN} = "gpsd" Feb 16 17:00:41 yeah, you can do that Feb 16 17:00:44 but it's not suitable for oe Feb 16 17:00:44 as patch to fso-gpsd... and it seems to work Feb 16 17:00:55 since with that you can no longer install gspd, even if you want to Feb 16 17:01:08 ahh, ok Feb 16 17:01:12 and this is -- unfortunately -- not acceptable for OE :) Feb 16 17:01:14 and now fetch fails in make image Feb 16 17:01:19 as not all folks are using FSO ... yet Feb 16 17:01:25 but we're working on world domination Feb 16 17:01:38 * mrmoku does not understand how that can be possible ;) Feb 16 17:02:36 not the world domination... the people not using it part :-) Feb 16 17:02:57 * juri_ is using SHR. and making mrmoku regret it. ;) Feb 16 17:03:14 juri_: fails again? Feb 16 17:03:37 downloading a new flash image. and the site is slooooow. Feb 16 17:04:22 in the time it takes me to download a 54 meg jffs2 image, i've downloaded a gig of sailor moon specials. ;) Feb 16 17:12:11 2.6.28 has nice bug Feb 16 17:12:21 kernel panic when clicking on AUX while suspending Feb 16 17:12:39 or releasing AUX Feb 16 17:17:50 * mrmoku --> eating Feb 16 17:31:10 mrmoku: wahzzup??? Feb 16 17:31:31 :o Feb 16 17:31:42 mrmoku: thanks, after a day and a half of messing around, my phone can now recieve an sms and make phone calls again Feb 16 17:31:55 mrmoku: thanks for all your help! Feb 16 17:32:17 Praise be to the moku! Feb 16 17:32:39 * toggles_w seconds that! Feb 16 17:33:11 now if only someone would tell me why the display come up upside down and all the text backwards, i'd be happy ;-) Feb 16 17:33:35 you're holding the phone upside down, you silly person!! Feb 16 17:33:40 :P Feb 16 17:34:00 :D Feb 16 17:34:19 * Sharwin_F finally flashes the new image Feb 16 17:34:40 mrmoku, suspend problem still there with new image ;) Feb 16 17:34:51 and can recieve ussd! :D Feb 16 17:34:58 Sharwin_F: which suspend problem? Feb 16 17:35:38 dos1, have to comment first lines on /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml Feb 16 17:35:48 if not, when pressing power button, it suspends automatically Feb 16 17:35:56 Sharwin_F: ah, it's fixed Feb 16 17:36:01 it shows the menu and suspends, so it triggers 2 events Feb 16 17:36:04 Sharwin_F: but no in image yet Feb 16 17:36:13 dos1, opkg upgrade? Feb 16 17:36:29 Sharwin_F: yes, if only mrmoku updated feeds ;] Feb 16 17:44:37 hey, i want to compile a fltk programm with the toolchain, but it doesnt work. i installed fltk by configure prefix=... host=... and make make install. is this wrong? do i need any bb recipe? Feb 16 17:51:15 and now, wait for it to crash... Feb 16 17:52:25 ok, the ophonekitd in the latest image still crashes. performing an update, after trimming unnecissary software... Feb 16 17:56:15 mrmoku, reinstalling fbreader with new image.. I get the old package without the patches ;) Feb 16 17:57:45 anyone want to actually fix this? :" Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404" Feb 16 17:58:30 1 Feb 16 17:58:38 mrmoku: its official. still broken. Feb 16 17:58:57 hmm... still crashed here too on sms Feb 16 17:59:01 * juri_ heads to lunch. Feb 16 18:33:36 hi, I am trying to cross-compile a program for the freerunner, but it doesn't work. Feb 16 18:33:36 Using the toolchain as described in the wiki. Feb 16 18:33:36 "./configure --host=arm-linux" succeeds Feb 16 18:33:36 but "make" gives the following error: Feb 16 18:33:36 /usr/lib/libz.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format Feb 16 18:33:38 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Feb 16 18:33:40 Hope you can help, I just don't a clue ... Feb 16 18:35:12 stophi, i have a similiar problem. did you install the lib the right way? with opkg or did you compile it? Feb 16 18:36:05 with opkg Feb 16 18:36:51 did you also install all these libs which were mentioned in the english wiki? Feb 16 18:37:01 no Feb 16 18:37:07 so, do it ; ) Feb 16 18:37:18 you mean libedje-dev etc.? Feb 16 18:37:29 this will install a lot of things, also pkgconfig, which you need to link. yes i mean this Feb 16 18:38:00 oh, would be just too stupid if this was the problem. Thanks, I will try it Feb 16 18:38:35 it took me also long, because its not mentioned in the german wiki. dont know whats about the other languages Feb 16 18:44:58 no, still the same problem Feb 16 18:45:44 but thanks anyway Feb 16 18:47:42 though building the sample-application works Feb 16 18:48:47 then look if there is a .pc file in /...../usr/lib/pkconfig for your lib, if not you can try to make one and hope that it will work Feb 16 18:48:55 Sharwin_F: suspend is not supposed to be fixed with todays image... the next one Feb 16 18:49:05 and yes... might be I'm silly and re-borked fbreader :P Feb 16 18:49:26 juri_: shit... the same way? Feb 16 18:49:43 btw. the error message might still be in the log... but ophonekitd should not crash Feb 16 18:52:47 juri, still crashes? Feb 16 18:52:53 mrmoku, why aren't you fixing everything!? Feb 16 18:52:53 :\ Feb 16 18:54:38 Dave: I like people being dependent ;) if I fix everything today... there will be nothing to fix tomorrow :P Feb 16 18:54:51 and what would I do then? Feb 16 18:55:53 root_at: I will try it. Will take some moments, I am new to all this openmoko stuff :-) Feb 16 18:56:28 but I thought a package config file is optional Feb 16 18:56:56 i am not really into all this autoconf, automake, libtool, linking stuff Feb 16 18:57:54 but i play around with the toolchain for about a week now, and i still cant compile my fltk program -.- but i am trying the shr toolchain now Feb 16 18:59:07 Hi ! Feb 16 18:59:48 hi Feb 16 19:00:16 I just want to know if fso-gpsd has a sort of cache ? I went to spain it any applications worked there, back in belgium it restart to work after about 1 minute Feb 16 19:00:17 this is all so frustrating. I am just trying to get a Java VM working on the freerunner ASAP and then i will gladly delete all this toolchain stuff :-) Feb 16 19:01:05 Think-Free: fso-gpsd has nothing to say here; if so, that will be frameworkd and ogpsd subsystem Feb 16 19:01:57 oh ok, and my problem is normal ? Feb 16 19:03:32 mrmoku: same way. Feb 16 19:03:34 if so, i can make a sort of timeout but i don't know where to look at Feb 16 19:03:41 exactly the same behavior. Feb 16 19:03:51 need a new log? Feb 16 19:03:56 juri_: and ophonekitd is really gone? Feb 16 19:04:10 yes, i get my controlling terminal back. Feb 16 19:04:22 let me re-do my tests.. Feb 16 19:04:30 its pretty easy to test, thankfully ;) Feb 16 19:06:27 again, this is todays image, after an opkg update. Feb 16 19:07:00 so, a fresh flash. Feb 16 19:07:07 juri_: there should not have been any updates for todays image though Feb 16 19:07:42 problem was (is) there were g_error calls in ophonekitd... g_error makes it abort()... Feb 16 19:07:59 right. no ophonekitd updates for todays image. Feb 16 19:08:01 so the error should still be there... but ophonekitd should not segfault (abort) Feb 16 19:08:32 tks, bye Feb 16 19:08:41 and, crash! Feb 16 19:08:48 it broke. you want the pieces? :) Feb 16 19:09:00 need some glue? Feb 16 19:09:01 i'll append this log (with the sim working) to the ticket. Feb 16 19:09:40 ok, thanks... and I will go back to the code to find out why its still segfaulting :( Feb 16 19:10:56 attached to the ticket. Feb 16 19:11:35 thank you. its nice having a responsive distro for my openmoko. ;) Feb 16 19:12:04 even if it does not work... we try our best to respond :P Feb 16 19:22:45 hmm Feb 16 19:22:58 mrmoku, in particular :P Feb 16 19:30:26 mrmoku: So ophonekitd obviously doesn't crash for juri_, does it? Feb 16 19:31:10 PaulFertser_: ?? it crashes still (or did I miss something in the 10 mins I was disconnected?) Feb 16 19:31:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * r0f64979a11d6 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): release as 0.2.0 Feb 16 19:31:38 mrmoku: i look at http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/318#comment:2 and see no crash Feb 16 19:32:16 PaulFertser_: but it quits... stops running :( Feb 16 19:33:44 mrmoku: can't call it crash. Why not start it from gdb, set a breakpoint to exit(), _exit(), abort() and get a backtrace? Feb 16 19:33:47 you see the prompt afterward? or the lack of a ophonekitd when i login to the machine? Feb 16 19:34:23 juri_: crash means segfault. If the program terminated itself, i can't call it crash. Feb 16 19:34:25 paul: if you want better debugging, point the way. :) Feb 16 19:34:35 nod. i can get that. it self-terminates. Feb 16 19:35:05 juri_: I think you can "start it from gdb, set a breakpoint to exit(), _exit(), abort() and get a backtrace", seems like a reasonable way, at least worth trying, i guess. Feb 16 19:35:21 sure. 1 sec. Feb 16 19:35:47 how would i set those breakpoints? Feb 16 19:37:10 juri_: break exit\nbreak _exit\nbreak abort should work... Feb 16 19:37:12 there doesn't appear to be an _exit Feb 16 19:37:14 PaulFertser_: what makes you think its not a segfault? Feb 16 19:37:18 shit think I found it... Feb 16 19:37:34 mrmoku: absence of "Segmentation fault" message ;) Feb 16 19:37:47 breakpoints set.. running.. Feb 16 19:37:48 juri_: let it to resolve it later Feb 16 19:37:55 right. Feb 16 19:38:03 sorry, didn't think it'd be that easy. ;) Feb 16 19:38:20 yay! this time, it decided i have a sim. Feb 16 19:38:44 mrmoku: btw, there can be some sense to not strip function names from all shr executables to get meaningfull backtraces. Feb 16 19:38:49 juri_: miracle :) Feb 16 19:38:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7134620d6b21 10/docs/ogsmd/cinteron/modem: start documenting cinterion specifics Feb 16 19:38:54 waiting for death... Feb 16 19:39:24 hmm. Feb 16 19:39:51 its worth noting, that if i run it from a remote ssh session, the whole going to sleep code never gets entered, as the unit is already in its level 5 sleep. Feb 16 19:39:58 so, tapping the screen to awaken.. Feb 16 19:41:27 ok! crashed, bt, what else? Feb 16 19:41:34 juri_: bt full Feb 16 19:41:57 no symbol tables. ;) Feb 16 19:42:08 i'll attach this to the ticket. Feb 16 19:43:13 juri_: sorry if this exercise was a waste of time in this particular case. OTOH, i think it's a good example for mrmoku why he shouldn't strip SHR applications ;) Feb 16 19:43:54 PaulFertser_: sorry... me is stripping nothing ;) but isn't that what -dbg packages are for? Feb 16 19:43:56 attached. Feb 16 19:44:05 paul: no problem. i'm currently idle. :) Feb 16 19:45:56 * mrmoku thinks problem is accessing char * in dbus callback while dbus call gives an error and thus char * should not be accessed ;) Feb 16 19:46:10 mrmoku: otoh, i see this particular BT is useful. And honestly i don't know what those -dbg packages are, probably i'm too used to compiling stuff i'm trying to debug myself ;) But if you can clarify how -dbg should be used, i'll be happy to remember it to suggest to other users. Feb 16 19:47:44 mrmoku: you see the backtrace attached to the ticket? Looks like libframeworkd-glib is doing nasty things in dbus_handle_internal_errors function. Feb 16 19:48:07 PaulFertser_: well... I'm quite new to debugging on the moko too... but opkg install libframeworkd-glib0-dbg... Feb 16 19:48:24 PaulFertser_: as I said... it is accessing an char * it should not access :-) Feb 16 19:48:39 fixed it... have to commit and build Feb 16 19:48:46 mrmoku: and that provokes a call to lose_gerror? Feb 16 19:49:13 lose_gerror is called _before_ accessing the char * Feb 16 19:49:29 mrmoku: remember, that is a clean exit, not a segfault. Exit is obviously called from lose that is called from lose_gerror. Feb 16 19:50:14 damn... you're right ;) Feb 16 19:50:43 I was only looking for calls to g_error... not the obvious exit one... why in hell would one calle exit in a lib? :( Feb 16 19:51:19 mrmoku: why the hell would one not look at useful backtrace? ;) Feb 16 19:51:34 juri_: Thanks a lot, backtrace _is_ useful :) Feb 16 19:51:47 paul: oh, good. ;) Feb 16 19:52:00 PaulFertser_: because mrmoku is tooo stupid to read them :P Feb 16 19:52:12 if i weren't doing this, i'd be digging through a 3x3x3 foot box full of motherboards. ;) Feb 16 19:52:30 uuhh, so we saved you :-) Feb 16 19:53:03 you saved my fingers. :) Feb 16 19:54:25 anyways.. back to the box. :) Feb 16 19:54:28 juri_: just for the kicks, can you install libframeworkd-glib-dbg and repeat the exercise? Feb 16 19:54:47 * mrmoku would be interested too Feb 16 19:54:56 So that mrmoku knows how useful it really is :) Feb 16 19:55:10 sure. 1 sec. Feb 16 19:55:59 I think with this -dbg (if i understand it right), we should get a more meaningfull bt full, so we know dbus_error->domain and stuff like that. Feb 16 19:56:53 whoops. Feb 16 19:57:01 ran out of space. my device is hosed. Feb 16 19:57:33 re-flash time. Feb 16 19:58:05 and that was after removing what packages i knew i could safely. Feb 16 19:58:26 flash on gta01 is way too small :( Feb 16 19:58:42 OS image of SHR is way too big. ;) Feb 16 19:58:43 SHR is too big ;) Feb 16 19:58:56 * PaulFertser_ high fives juri_ Feb 16 19:59:17 juri_: i forgot, why don't you run from uSD? Feb 16 19:59:19 * mrmoku hides in a corner and trolls ;) Feb 16 19:59:22 i believe we started the morning on this note. ;) Feb 16 19:59:32 paul: no directions for how. Feb 16 19:59:40 juri_: ehm? Feb 16 20:00:04 * Sharwin_F hides behind mrmoku and trolls about fbreader not being updated Feb 16 20:00:09 in addition.. it just feels wrong. Feb 16 20:00:14 juri_, that's actually easier, ;] look in the wiki for booting from sd. Feb 16 20:00:27 juri_, about the feels wrong, I can relate to that ;] but it's a must ;] Feb 16 20:00:27 juri_: GTA03 will boot only from SD, btw. Feb 16 20:00:38 TAsn: juri_ has gta01 though... Feb 16 20:00:45 mrmoku, what's the main diff? Feb 16 20:00:48 paul: good for it. ;) Feb 16 20:00:58 i'll be on the GTA01 for the time being. Feb 16 20:01:02 juri_: i just can't see why booting from SD "feels wrong Feb 16 20:01:03 mrmoku, I got a gorgeous fr ;] Feb 16 20:01:04 i have two of them already Feb 16 20:01:12 TAsn: no nand... just nor flash... that once borked is borked until you get a debug board in your hands Feb 16 20:01:37 juri_: so, why do you want to struggle with small amount of NAND when you can buy a cheap large useful uSD instead? Feb 16 20:01:43 PaulFertser_, you take space from SD storage Feb 16 20:01:44 paul: a phone should be able to place phone calls, without an optional SD. Feb 16 20:01:53 PaulFertser_, because you can replace uSD's and you don't always want to switch your os. Feb 16 20:01:53 oh, i have some 2gig SD cards. ;) Feb 16 20:02:01 those are for applications, and media. ;) Feb 16 20:02:06 Especially considering that uSD on GTA01 is supposed to be much faster than on GTA02. Feb 16 20:02:06 yeah Feb 16 20:02:25 juri_: why can't you declare an SD mandatory? ;) Feb 16 20:02:35 plus, i'm from the RMS camp. i won't be moving to the GTA02 or 03, at this point. Feb 16 20:02:36 mrmoku, that's odd. I like the nand bootloader! Feb 16 20:02:40 space on SD is always handful Feb 16 20:02:48 silly images, music, wikipedia, you know Feb 16 20:02:53 maps Feb 16 20:02:56 more silly images Feb 16 20:03:10 basically, the gps going from attached, to having a microcontroller with dedicated firmware that i don't have source for, is a nogo. Feb 16 20:03:12 still have to try silly videos Feb 16 20:03:18 TAsn: bootloader on uSD? ;> Feb 16 20:03:39 juri_: turn off your Calypso then NOW Feb 16 20:03:46 s/.*// Feb 16 20:03:51 paul: its an evil i'm aware of. Feb 16 20:03:51 dos1, ;] Feb 16 20:04:04 dos1: yes, bootloader on GTA03 is loaded from uSD. Feb 16 20:04:07 wtf, the bot doesn't support regex? Feb 16 20:04:11 when i have a MORE free gsm chipseton a different phone, i'll move to it. Feb 16 20:04:20 bot has connection trouble :P Feb 16 20:04:21 juri_: as well as all SD cards ;) Feb 16 20:04:29 PaulFertser_: i know; i was telling it to TAsn ;] Feb 16 20:04:42 juri_: building a new image... just for you :D Feb 16 20:05:05 juri_: btw, the GPS chip in GTA01 requires usage of proprietary code running on SoC, while GTA02 gets raw NMEA or UBX over serial. Feb 16 20:05:06 are there any pictures of the gta03 mockups ? ;] Feb 16 20:05:22 paul: i know. ;) Feb 16 20:06:13 Sharwin_F: after that you will get your fbreader :P Feb 16 20:06:15 at least i can reverse engineer the proprietary code running on the SoC. been there, done that. Feb 16 20:06:37 juri_: and RMS said himself that firmware running on the aux device itself is not a big problem, should be treated like hardware. The point is to not use non-free code on main CPU. So moving to GTA02 would be beneficial for you because you'll be able to use GPS in a RMS-koshier way. Feb 16 20:06:39 on the other side of an embedded controller? that makes things more difficult.. Feb 16 20:06:55 me and richard sometimes disagree. ;) Feb 16 20:07:12 juri_: nah, don't pretend you're more religious than him Feb 16 20:07:16 * juri_ is from the 'batshit crazy' camp of free software. ;) Feb 16 20:07:25 Paul: i'm not pretending. :) Feb 16 20:07:27 juri_: he even doesn't use interactive browsers Feb 16 20:07:46 he's not as 'from the trenches' as i. Feb 16 20:08:36 i'd rather have the code running on cpu, so i can reverse engineer it, than past an embedded controller. Feb 16 20:08:44 juri_: what assemblers do you know? Feb 16 20:08:50 yes, i teach classes in reverse engineering. :) Feb 16 20:08:51 juri :o Feb 16 20:09:13 R3000, R4000, x86, x86_64... my arm isn't so good... Feb 16 20:09:47 i spend more of my time on mips accesspoints than arm SOCs. Feb 16 20:09:59 hot Feb 16 20:10:01 juri_: and for sure you will never touch IDA even if it is a more straight-forward way to disasm something? ;) Feb 16 20:10:15 IDA? whats that? :) Feb 16 20:10:46 juri_: you can surely disassemble the code running inside calypso Feb 16 20:11:02 lindi: maybe. for the time being, i don't have to. Feb 16 20:11:02 juri_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Disassembler Feb 16 20:11:26 PaulFertser_: that's proprietary software Feb 16 20:11:36 lindi-: i know Feb 16 20:11:45 then by definition, i don't touch. Feb 16 20:11:46 lindi-: but some people find it mad useful Feb 16 20:11:58 haha Feb 16 20:12:06 the openmoko i run is enough of a compromise. Feb 16 20:12:07 juri_: and even refuse to look if someone shows how to use it? Feb 16 20:12:16 yep. Feb 16 20:12:40 its not a hard decision. if its a tool worth using, than the opensource world needs to write one. full stop. ;) Feb 16 20:12:40 juri_: do you keep JS always disabled? Feb 16 20:12:51 hahaha Feb 16 20:12:56 Paul, can't you two play nice :P Feb 16 20:13:19 Dave: remember, i'm not nice, everybody pretty much agrees on that. :p Feb 16 20:13:21 i'm playing nice. i know i'm a zealot, and from the view of most people, completely insane. ;) Feb 16 20:13:32 I think you're nice :p Feb 16 20:13:34 :D Feb 16 20:13:44 juri_: have you tried to disassemble a firmware from your washing machine? Feb 16 20:13:44 juri, clearly everyone here is a blasphemer :D Feb 16 20:13:57 paul: my washing machine has no CPU. ;) Feb 16 20:14:09 Juri, if what you say is true, you'll fit in quite well here :D Feb 16 20:14:13 i have done some 6809 programming, which is whats in my microwave... Feb 16 20:14:44 but, i have enough opensource battles, i don't need to pick more. Feb 16 20:14:46 juri, you might be interested in my washer/dryer as well as my coffee maker then ;) Feb 16 20:14:48 juri_: ok, what free tool would you suggest for disassembling? Feb 16 20:14:56 hexdump. ;) Feb 16 20:15:03 * Dave bombards juri with several household appliances Feb 16 20:15:06 Dave: and my CRT monitor :) Feb 16 20:15:19 So you're hardcore, juri? Feb 16 20:15:21 Dave: hard drive firmware Feb 16 20:15:27 pfft Feb 16 20:15:30 start more exciting Feb 16 20:15:34 paul: seriously, i usually end up using objdump. Feb 16 20:15:49 paul: i'm still looking hard at hard drive firmware. Feb 16 20:15:55 * dos1 sits, reads and starts to eat popcorn Feb 16 20:15:55 :O Feb 16 20:16:05 being that i have one machine running firmware-free, other than that... Feb 16 20:16:07 * Dave eats some of dos1's popcorn Feb 16 20:16:08 juri_: objdump? mad hard :( Feb 16 20:16:34 getting objdump to recognise section boundaries is interesting, some times. Feb 16 20:16:58 but clearly you possess the mental stability to do so, right juri? :P Feb 16 20:17:04 i did successfully compile my BIOS yesterday. and even more supprising, it worked. Feb 16 20:17:19 kinky Feb 16 20:17:24 now i'm fighting my chipset. :) Feb 16 20:17:28 juri_: but you bought a supported motherboard in advance, so that doesn't count ;) Feb 16 20:17:31 Bwahahahahahahahha Feb 16 20:17:41 Paul, hey, come on now :P Feb 16 20:17:56 paul: yes, i pay for freedom. and , technically, this is a 'work in progress' motherboard. Feb 16 20:18:05 i didn't go with just any board. Feb 16 20:18:20 nice Feb 16 20:18:31 so I take it juri isn't into tentacles... :p Feb 16 20:18:46 juri_: btw, do you use any LGPL software? It's free, but it's a compromise, don't you think so? Feb 16 20:18:52 i'm working on the ram detection, as well as the superio support. at the moment, the keyboard doesn't work. Feb 16 20:19:04 paul: i worry more about the GNU FDL. Feb 16 20:19:18 juri_: even without additional clauses? ;) Feb 16 20:19:43 i expressed my opinion about that in private, during my job interview with the FSF. to get blindsighted by a 'defend your position' with the entire FSF present later. :) Feb 16 20:20:07 oy Feb 16 20:20:12 so yes, i'm a little crazier than RMS and company. Feb 16 20:20:20 Paul, not this again -_- Feb 16 20:20:38 and i code all day, to defend that position. how are you doing, in that respect? :) Feb 16 20:20:48 haha Feb 16 20:20:54 juri_: so, to get corebios working on your MB you're objdumping BIOS from it and search for the various init code? Feb 16 20:21:14 paul: nope. so far, i'm just documenting hacks that make things work. Feb 16 20:21:32 Hacker! Feb 16 20:21:36 i believe in cleanroom reverse engineering things, just in case, so that i don't accidentally taint someone's codebase. Feb 16 20:21:51 juri_: no, i don't code anything, just chatting on IRC instead. Not religious enough to be even like RMS, not talking about you ;) Feb 16 20:21:53 if i have to reverse engineer it, i write specs. Feb 16 20:22:12 i may impliment code that matches those specs, but i don't check it in. Feb 16 20:22:24 as my brain may be 'tainted'. Feb 16 20:22:29 YES Feb 16 20:22:45 * dos1 ate whole popcorn Feb 16 20:22:56 * eolson looks for more popcorn Feb 16 20:23:10 * beniwtv thinks this channel needs cookies Feb 16 20:23:21 * Dave starts the oven Feb 16 20:23:22 I'm calling Grandma :P Feb 16 20:23:23 juri_: please don't think i'm trying to offend you but can you show me any public specs you wrote? Feb 16 20:23:28 i'd show you my site, but its currently in network embargo mode, due to a non-paying customer, whos bandwidth i was leeching off of. ;) Feb 16 20:23:43 * dos1 waits for eolson to get more popcorn Feb 16 20:23:45 sorry, i've been down since last tuesday. Feb 16 20:24:00 however, you can likely get google caches of the linuxpmi.org website. Feb 16 20:24:05 * dos1 likes cookies Feb 16 20:24:06 * eolson got the popcorn, but is worried about the mention of brains in Dave's presence Feb 16 20:24:08 juri_: coreboot should have a script that would detect which one of the 40+ machines at work is most likely to work with it Feb 16 20:24:18 where i've written a 2200 line commentary on the GPLV2 openmosix codebase. Feb 16 20:24:28 juri_: my hw knowledge is so weak that i don't want to go through the dmidecode dumps myself Feb 16 20:25:09 i have another developer who helps on linuxPMI, but i won't let him touch the V2 codebase, and instead, am having him work from my documentation, to write V3+ compatible code. Feb 16 20:25:28 just in case we end up dropping the 'linux' from 'linuxPMI'. ;) Feb 16 20:25:56 juri_: still can't find any specs there... Feb 16 20:26:19 paul: keep looking. ;) Feb 16 20:26:27 juri_: any idea if it would be possible to find such a script for coreboot? Feb 16 20:26:36 Probably google cache lacks those pages... Feb 16 20:26:38 lindi: no, and for some good reasons. :) Feb 16 20:26:55 juri_: too difficult? too experimental? Feb 16 20:26:59 paul: i think the page you're looking for is "OpenMosixPatchCommentaries". Feb 16 20:27:06 but, don't quote me on that. Feb 16 20:27:19 lindi: not enough information from userspace. Feb 16 20:27:44 for instance, various vendors pair various flash parts with their boards, and they don't stick to using the same part for the whole run. Feb 16 20:27:52 some flash parts are supported, some aren't. Feb 16 20:28:13 traces are run differently on newer revisions of the same board... Feb 16 20:28:17 juri_: but it could give a heuristic? Feb 16 20:28:29 GPIO lines might mean something different... theres lots of things that can go wrong. Feb 16 20:28:45 juri_: so that i could rule out those that don't definitely work Feb 16 20:29:06 as a rule, rule everything out. :D Feb 16 20:29:18 juri_: i'd like to avoid having to open up those 40 machines and look inside the markings on the chips Feb 16 20:29:39 lindi: running flashrom in verify-detect mode will tell you about the flashrom issue. Feb 16 20:29:43 other than that... Feb 16 20:30:08 writing one tool for detecting all the boards, would require someone to HAVE all the boards, which is likely space limiting. Feb 16 20:30:21 juri_: so it can be detected from userland? Feb 16 20:31:10 lindi: this is really off topic for this channel. try #coreboot. ;) Feb 16 20:31:26 juri_: heh, true Feb 16 20:32:31 also, looking at your dmidecode isn't going to help much, as your DMI tables are put together by your bios, and may change if you upgrade bioses. Feb 16 20:33:16 on my board, only certain dimm timings are supported. and i don't know what they are, i only figgured it out by trying over a hundred dimms. Feb 16 20:33:38 i'm worried i might eventually overuse the dimm socket. ;) Feb 16 20:33:56 bioses? Feb 16 20:34:28 eolson: BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEESSSSS Feb 16 20:38:04 * mrmoku wonders if Dave is finished with the cookies and in the meantime opens a bottle of red wine Feb 16 20:38:31 i'm not that entertaining, people. ;) Feb 16 20:38:54 well... go ahead until the image is finished ;) Feb 16 20:40:57 mrmoku: new image again? Feb 16 20:41:47 BLUESLEE! Feb 16 20:41:56 hi dave;-) Feb 16 20:42:02 Greetings :] Feb 16 20:42:06 BluesLee: gta01 only ;) Feb 16 20:42:30 mrmoku: good to hear ... Feb 16 20:42:36 Man, that would be hot... Feb 16 20:42:46 in some sick twisted way however I believe it to be true... Feb 16 20:42:50 the moko feeds on brains Feb 16 20:42:53 juri_: image has finished Feb 16 20:43:03 this may explain why all the devs here have been losing their sanity over time :p Feb 16 20:43:31 mrmoku: downloading... Feb 16 20:45:00 So, Juri, what do you think of OpenMoko so far? Feb 16 20:51:41 juri_: btw... would be interested to know how much free space on an unmodified SHR Feb 16 20:51:47 +you have Feb 16 20:52:12 juri_: and feel free to propose apps to remove from the lite image to save space :) Feb 16 20:53:34 well, let me start with htop. sure, its a prettier top, but top is already installed. wtf? ;) Feb 16 20:53:55 i'm also colour blind. colour applications in a text world annoy me quickly. ;) Feb 16 20:54:08 juri_: for htop you have my vote... using itself lots of cpu ;) Feb 16 20:54:32 don't know how much that saves though Feb 16 20:54:47 77K every K is sacred. ;) Feb 16 20:55:05 juri_: colour blind? Omg, you're really a rare kind of human. Feb 16 20:55:51 haha Feb 16 20:55:52 mplayer and pythm could be removed from lite-image maybe... Feb 16 20:56:04 paul: and left handed. Feb 16 20:56:09 evil! Feb 16 20:56:10 mplayer is the biggest one with 3460k Feb 16 20:56:35 hells yeah! Feb 16 20:56:58 mrmoku: i could get behind that reasoning. Feb 16 20:57:10 assuming we figure out how to install apps to the SD. Feb 16 20:57:39 i'd rather have a built in GPS app than a built in sound player. you'll need an SD to store music, anyways. Feb 16 20:58:35 juri_: problem is... that is not feasible easily Feb 16 20:58:56 soooooooooo Feb 16 20:58:59 get an eeepc? :P Feb 16 20:59:01 its more feasable than trying to fit this all in the internal flash. Feb 16 20:59:14 functionality first. Feb 16 21:01:30 mokofail Feb 16 21:02:00 hmm... and what would be the correct way to do that? any ideas? Feb 16 21:02:15 mrmoku: you have my vote for removing mplayer and htop from shr-lite Feb 16 21:02:25 and pythm :) Feb 16 21:03:00 spaetz: yep... we should start with trimming the lite-image to be phone only Feb 16 21:03:10 huhu Feb 16 21:03:26 agree. But send a mail to the list first, or you'll get reprimanded by Ainulindale :) Feb 16 21:03:44 :-) Feb 16 21:04:23 mrmoku: i can get behind 'hardware support only'. which would include bare minimum GPS capabilities. (you are here, plus waypointing and compas). Feb 16 21:04:50 mrmoku: i know ipkg supported install to non-default location, should be possible with opkg as well... Feb 16 21:05:32 compasses? Feb 16 21:06:10 I find it a total waste of resources to support "split" installations Feb 16 21:06:48 PaulFertser_: yep... and then? won't changes programs assumptions about where to find stuff me thinks Feb 16 21:06:52 people crazy enough to wanting several partitions should either just copy /usr to sd card and mounnt that or install to /usr/local on sd card Feb 16 21:06:56 s/changes/change/ Feb 16 21:06:57 mrmoku meant: PaulFertser_: yep... and then? won't change programs assumptions about where to find stuff me thinks Feb 16 21:07:09 juri_: btw, a task for a real GTA01 low-level hacker: improve tricky linker that allows to use OABI binaries on EABI system, it was working with gllin for some time, but was abandoned for some reason. Feb 16 21:07:20 haha Feb 16 21:07:34 paul: i have enough projects right now. didn't you get the memo? :) Feb 16 21:07:48 just buy a 8GB sd card and you've plenty of space for both OS and music on it Feb 16 21:08:17 and your phone stops being a phone when you hand the card to your friend, to swap music... Feb 16 21:08:40 juri_: ok, ok. You win, i'd better go back to my oopses. Feb 16 21:08:49 juri_: it stops working anyway since you need to remove the battery :) Feb 16 21:08:56 lol, coz you're phone will keep working when you pull your sim out.. Feb 16 21:09:23 lindi: half a point. Feb 16 21:09:29 juri_: better use usb stick Feb 16 21:09:38 or wlan/bluetooth/usb cable Feb 16 21:09:40 you can always turn it off, pull the memory out, hand it off, and turn it on. Feb 16 21:09:45 fail Feb 16 21:09:53 maybe gta03 will have a removable usd Feb 16 21:10:11 I think we need two uSD slots *wink* Feb 16 21:10:23 kinky Feb 16 21:10:32 on of which hot swappable Feb 16 21:11:26 go fish Feb 16 21:11:35 slot loader Feb 16 21:14:09 something changed concerning phone sounds Feb 16 21:14:30 new ringtone? Feb 16 21:14:35 no Feb 16 21:15:07 i edited /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/default.yaml Feb 16 21:15:13 to use my own sounds Feb 16 21:15:22 i have my own sounds too Feb 16 21:15:22 but the system ignores them Feb 16 21:15:26 (radio from portal :D) Feb 16 21:15:37 hmm. still working... Feb 16 21:15:37 BluesLee: have you restarted frameworkd? Feb 16 21:15:54 bah Feb 16 21:16:04 hore :p Feb 16 21:16:05 rebooting Feb 16 21:16:16 i restarted x Feb 16 21:16:30 it also restarts the pin dialog Feb 16 21:16:41 so i thought i was on the secure side Feb 16 21:17:01 I don't think x restart would restart frameworkd Feb 16 21:17:16 nop Feb 16 21:17:26 the sounds are awful, who chosed them? Feb 16 21:17:52 someone retarded of course Feb 16 21:17:57 sean maybe? :D Feb 16 21:17:59 or deaf Feb 16 21:18:14 mickeyl likes Arkanoid theme Feb 16 21:18:15 ;] Feb 16 21:18:28 heh Feb 16 21:19:07 BluesLee: all it takes is a mail to the mailing list with some prooposals of legal ringtones and a voting facility :) Feb 16 21:20:08 hmm. Feb 16 21:20:24 PERSUASION WITHIN THE CABAL Feb 16 21:20:59 OK! Feb 16 21:21:09 it officially no longer kills itsself. Feb 16 21:21:23 mind you, there are the ugly warnings and such... but no death. Feb 16 21:22:02 one step ahead :-) Feb 16 21:23:14 openmoko should come with more warnings Feb 16 21:23:21 at least some sort of sanity waiver :p Feb 16 21:24:57 NOTE: Running task 2763 of 6891 Feb 16 21:25:12 i swear gentoo is faster... Feb 16 21:26:30 toggles_w: prepare for a long night :) Feb 16 21:28:31 Sharwin_F: ok... fbreader is there... opkg update & upgrade Feb 16 21:28:40 three phone calls in a row. Feb 16 21:28:45 how cool is that? :) Feb 16 21:29:44 mrmoku: thanks for the effort. its nice to get a bug fixed, on occasion. ;) Feb 16 21:29:50 spaetz: ;-) Feb 16 21:29:56 juri_: do you know that new GSM firmware is available (moko11beta)? and it fixes quite an important bug, especially for GTA01. Feb 16 21:30:23 Paul: neat. i'll have to try that, when i get back. Feb 16 21:30:44 in the mean time.. where are the directions for doing a GSM firmware upgrade from within SHR again? :) Feb 16 21:30:45 juri_: really, it worth it. Feb 16 21:31:16 juri_: no one needs any. Wiki directions are distribution-independent. Feb 16 21:32:06 anyone here experiencing WSOD on resume? Feb 16 21:33:55 Paul: from reading the directions, i beg to differ. but, i'll joust with you point-by-point later. Feb 16 21:35:12 juri_: Why do _you_ care at all? Such an experienced hacker can get by without any directions whatsoever ;) Feb 16 21:35:18 Dave: ;) Feb 16 21:36:21 paul: in the last two years, i've switched from heavy hacking, to documenting. and i insist its done right. ;) Feb 16 21:36:31 anyways, gone! Feb 16 21:38:25 :D Feb 16 21:38:40 Hooray for pedants! Feb 16 21:39:17 juri_: np, thanks for your help in debugging it Feb 16 21:40:04 Any gta01 owners using .29? I guess sound is broken there. Feb 16 21:46:48 mrmoku: why have you deleted all the task-shr-minimal-* files on Jan 18th? Feb 16 21:47:01 DESTROY THE EVIDENCE! Feb 16 21:47:02 they are still needed/used aren't they? Feb 16 21:47:20 at least they are still referred to from image-lite etc Feb 16 21:49:29 how about an idea to run ogsmd as one of firsts subsystems in frameworkd? Feb 16 21:50:22 mrmoku: what gets pulled in when we depend on ${PN}-base in openembedded/packages/tasks/task-shr-minimal-gtk.bb Feb 16 21:52:08 err, they are pulled in from task-shr-minimal.bb (the -gtk one was deleted) Feb 16 21:52:52 how about closing tickets, which i reviewed? Feb 16 21:53:01 mrmoku: do you want a list of tickets to close? :D Feb 16 21:53:09 spaetz: did it on Ainulindale demand... get closer to get our stuff into OE Feb 16 21:53:29 it is more OE style like that me thinks to have understood :-) Feb 16 21:54:03 dos1: in a moment please Feb 16 21:54:35 dos1: yep, Feb 16 21:54:39 I can close tickets Feb 16 21:54:45 spaetz: thanks :-) Feb 16 21:54:55 np Feb 16 21:55:07 * mrmoku is doing the bb files for ptitjes now Feb 16 21:55:14 spaetz: ok, one moment please, i have to find it in logs Feb 16 21:55:39 btw. with new kernel pingus is working faster Feb 16 21:58:27 PENGUINS Feb 16 22:01:27 spaetz: #217, #304, #296, #250, #198, #210, #194, #205, #212, #211, #224, #233, #251, #266 Feb 16 22:01:27 spaetz: #153 has patch, #244 is a duplicate of #223 Feb 16 22:02:03 * mrmoku thinks dos1 will be voted SHR dev of the month :P Feb 16 22:06:10 dos1: can #304 really be closed? Feb 16 22:06:49 lindi-: default ringtone is changed, as proposed in ticked Feb 16 22:07:21 dos1: you are talking about bugs.openmoko.org bugs? Feb 16 22:07:31 I usually prefer testing myself if the bugs are fixed, buut I have no new image around Feb 16 22:07:33 looks like #223 can be closed too due to latest mrmoku patches ;] Feb 16 22:07:43 lindi-: no, SHR Feb 16 22:07:46 so I'll trust you and just close the ones you specify Feb 16 22:07:59 dos1: ah, i checked that list against trac.freesmartphone.org :) Feb 16 22:08:44 lindi-: http://shr-project.org/trac/ Feb 16 22:09:01 spaetz: you can think about #211 and #212 - in ticket it is about warning Feb 16 22:10:07 after closing that tickets i will review others ;) Feb 16 22:11:06 mickey|dinner: any idea why GetPowerStatus does not exist on gta01? Feb 16 22:12:39 dos1: I kinnd of disagree on 198. The "No Status" is not the same as a disabled GSM icon. I also get "nostatus" when I boot it up. But will close for now. Feb 16 22:14:35 spaetz: after booting up there is another icon Feb 16 22:14:42 spaetz: and there is no text Feb 16 22:14:54 spaetz: after disabling gsm, text changes Feb 16 22:15:01 ok Feb 16 22:15:20 dos1: I think No Service means no available network... at least thats what I would think Feb 16 22:15:27 disabled would be something different Feb 16 22:16:10 mrmoku: hmm, ok. you're right. Feb 16 22:16:11 mrmoku: that's what I thought too. No Service could be an area without coverage too IMHO Feb 16 22:17:14 that gsm widget should be rewritten to support fso correctly anyways... you don't see if ophonekitd is gone for example Feb 16 22:17:24 or when the sim gets ready... Feb 16 22:17:38 it should listen to dbus signals from frameworkd Feb 16 22:17:43 it's code is in enlightenment svn, right? Feb 16 22:17:49 yes, it should Feb 16 22:17:51 think so, yeah Feb 16 22:20:02 someone understands #319? Feb 16 22:20:40 no :-) Feb 16 22:21:56 hmm, i think #315 should be owned by dos :D Feb 16 22:22:19 illume keyboard has visual feedback on clicking a key, hasn't it? Feb 16 22:22:29 spaetz: yes, it has Feb 16 22:22:32 I have my FR not around, Feb 16 22:22:43 yours now ;) Feb 16 22:22:45 ok, then I will close that bug (319) Feb 16 22:23:06 yep Feb 16 22:23:16 mrmoku: thanks ;] Feb 16 22:23:59 mrmoku: in trac i'm dos, not dos1 :x Feb 16 22:24:23 dos[1], confusing you are :) Feb 16 22:24:32 uhh Feb 16 22:24:45 spaetz: dos was registered on freenode before i was registering :( Feb 16 22:25:08 fixed :-) Feb 16 22:25:13 hmm Feb 16 22:25:22 why owner can't close ticket? Feb 16 22:25:41 is this expected? Feb 16 22:25:50 spaetz: can you open another one to figure out why the great pause on the second key stroke? Feb 16 22:25:51 mine nic was registered too -- turns out it doesn't seem to matter (?), maybe if no one else is currently using it. Feb 16 22:26:30 to #319 the keys of the illume keyboard key gets bigger when it is pressed, so there is some visual feedback from the keyboard as wiched in this ticket... Feb 16 22:26:36 toggles_w: not in SHR trac please... enlightement problem Feb 16 22:26:50 toggles_w: it is in SHR trac already Feb 16 22:28:06 i want to implement #311! :D Feb 16 22:29:20 how do you think, where code for that should be placed? Feb 16 22:29:33 in oevents rule? Feb 16 22:29:41 in ophonekitd? Feb 16 22:30:52 #297 can be closed ;] Feb 16 22:32:00 #294 looks like fixed in latest build of kernel Feb 16 22:32:45 toggles_w: it's in SHR (search for slow predictive keyboard or so). Feb 16 22:33:53 yep (#294) just tried it and rotated my screen two times around (1-2-3-0) Feb 16 22:34:03 spaetz, toggles_w: #288 Feb 16 22:34:15 dos1: you were right about 297 :). Although we are still using conflicting mechanisms to blank screen... :( Feb 16 22:34:50 hey, 294 would be great, if screen roatation finally worked Feb 16 22:35:13 will verify tomorrow though, before I close this one. Feb 16 22:35:22 anyway, away for the night. bye Feb 16 22:39:35 mrmoku: how do you think about #311? Feb 16 22:45:28 morning Feb 16 22:46:34 night :) Feb 16 22:47:04 dos1: hmm, that could (should) be related to opimd somehow Feb 16 22:47:39 oevents... don't think so... because you might want to have it for some contacts only Feb 16 22:47:51 so ophonekitd could be the right place for it Feb 16 22:48:03 but as said that is somehow related to switch to opimd contacts Feb 16 22:48:37 ok Feb 16 22:48:41 but now i have to go Feb 16 22:48:43 good night Feb 16 22:49:16 me too :-) Feb 16 22:49:20 gnight Feb 16 22:49:30 night here too Feb 16 22:52:38 rwhitby: can i have your advice wrt kernel drivers? Feb 16 23:02:41 hi Feb 16 23:03:12 i'm searching for some libemotion documentation **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:03:53 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:04:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:05:49 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:06:11 2009 Feb 16 23:06:35 :o Feb 16 23:07:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r5b34446c46ef 10/src/frameworkd-glib-dbus.c: Feb 16 23:07:31 freesmartphone.org: do NOT call exit in lose() Feb 16 23:07:31 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Feb 16 23:08:34 PaulFertser_: what advice are you looking for? Feb 16 23:08:37 ze germanz Feb 16 23:09:44 rwhitby: about proper way to create and unregister i2c devices. I can't understand semantics of what and when should be done. Let me describe what how the creation is done. Feb 16 23:10:39 PaulFertser_: /msg dwery here on Freenode (he's in .eu) - he's the kernel RTC subsystem maintainer, and should know all about that. Feb 16 23:10:41 Still struggling with that, Paul? :) Feb 16 23:12:03 rwhitby: but are you familiar with a standard driver model? Old-style i2c didn't use it, but WM8753 is new-style. Feb 16 23:12:23 rwhitby: and thanks for the advice to msg dwery, btw :) Feb 16 23:15:09 PaulFertser_: nope, dwery did the i2c drivers that I needed ;-) Feb 16 23:15:44 rwhitby: cool, i'm talking with him now. Thanks a lot! :) Feb 16 23:16:38 sweet - mention that I sent you. Feb 16 23:18:12 GPS problem, if execute `echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron`, then `cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron`, the output is 1 Feb 16 23:18:27 mqy: known bug Feb 16 23:18:34 this is not the worst thing Feb 16 23:18:54 mqy: echo 1 and then 0? Feb 16 23:19:00 then I can't read any ubx binary data after sending ubx binary polling requests Feb 16 23:19:16 ok, let me try.. Feb 16 23:20:36 rwhitby: yep, i mentioned :) Feb 16 23:20:44 that's really interesting Feb 16 23:20:59 echo 1, the cat output is 1 Feb 16 23:21:09 then echo 0, the cat output is 0 Feb 16 23:22:24 lindi-, thanks alot Feb 16 23:22:51 these days I have to restart SHR often to solve this problem Feb 16 23:23:41 I even suspect it's my bug :) Feb 16 23:29:12 mqy: there's a kernel bug and patch Feb 16 23:32:43 lindi-, your tip helps a lot, could you please give me the link? Feb 16 23:37:55 lindi-, I get this link http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1664172 Feb 16 23:48:30 RASTER Feb 16 23:48:59 * raster hides Feb 16 23:50:41 How's the gang? Feb 16 23:54:58 Hi... I can run qt4 demos on Freerunner's framebuffer , but I don't have mouse ... anyone experienced in QT embedded ? Feb 17 00:03:34 RFC people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA Feb 17 00:03:53 mqy: sorry but that link is javascript-only Feb 17 00:05:55 lindi-, I get that link by google, only several results Feb 17 00:06:21 so, I'm wondering where is the patch you mentioned. Feb 17 00:07:06 mqy: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=lindi%0d%0agps%0d%0apower Feb 17 00:07:37 lindi-, did you say javascript? ha Feb 17 00:10:40 haha Feb 17 00:10:48 got you there ;p Feb 17 00:14:53 Dave: bigd! Feb 17 00:18:33 00:23:12:81:26:4c Feb 17 00:18:35 is the mac Feb 17 00:19:54 big mac Feb 17 00:21:32 haha, wrong channel... that is an evil mac address on this lan that is a fake dhcp server handing out 169 addresses Feb 17 00:21:53 which then confuse people further because they think it was a not found error and such Feb 17 00:23:43 LINT! Feb 17 00:24:12 ieatlint, hot :P Feb 17 00:24:26 hey dave Feb 17 00:24:35 169.254... Feb 17 00:24:36 I'll have to chat you up sometime Feb 17 00:24:48 docscrutinizer2, which ip is the private party at? ;D Feb 17 00:25:02 yeah, i've been gone for a while dealing with personal and legal things (on the civil end of the law) Feb 17 00:25:12 rut roh Feb 17 00:25:35 moving back into the fray now Feb 17 00:26:01 yay? Feb 17 00:26:16 Should we be cheering for you?? Feb 17 00:27:00 sure, but the legal stuff is over Feb 17 00:27:08 :) Feb 17 00:27:21 just issues with crazy women in my life now... oh and employment :P Feb 17 00:27:37 damn Feb 17 00:27:40 tough luck Feb 17 00:27:57 let's just hope I don't have to go to court ;) Feb 17 00:28:44 well, i was the plantiff Feb 17 00:28:56 Figures Feb 17 00:29:00 doesn Feb 17 00:29:06 doesn't it? Feb 17 00:29:13 sure Feb 17 00:29:15 yeah, estate issues... fun stuff Feb 17 00:29:21 bitches be startin' shit Feb 17 00:29:24 typical Feb 17 00:29:48 ieatlint: did u win? Feb 17 00:29:52 so how's things with openmoko? Feb 17 00:30:02 raster, settled out of court Feb 17 00:30:10 in your favor? Feb 17 00:30:35 ieatlint, shitty as usual :) Feb 17 00:31:36 raster, i did a lot better than had i not sued, and a lot worse than if i had won (or if a certain sister didn't take someone with brain cancer and resign documents 4 weeks before his death at a time he couldn't state his name and thought it was 1957) Feb 17 00:32:22 my life has a lot of drama... it's really quite sad and unfortunate Feb 17 00:32:46 :( Feb 17 00:33:10 what the fuck!? Feb 17 00:33:28 lint: sucky :( Feb 17 00:33:40 ieatlint: aaaah happy lucky will fighting time. Feb 17 00:34:00 doesn't seem very happy to me, rasterman. Feb 17 00:34:14 Dave, i'm dropping off the gory details... but they only made me look better and her worse... Feb 17 00:34:19 but it's over Feb 17 00:34:19 lucky for me... i have no siblings to ever visit me with such goop Feb 17 00:34:28 Dave: you nee4d to get out to asia more Feb 17 00:34:36 happy lucky fun == "" Feb 17 00:34:38 and i've got breathing room to find a job and buy a gta04 so that i can complain about how slow it is Feb 17 00:34:51 its just something they throw into names because they think its cool Feb 17 00:34:53 haha Feb 17 00:34:58 that's true though, raster :\ Feb 17 00:35:08 haha lint :) Feb 17 00:35:14 ieatlint: u'll be waiting years for gta04 Feb 17 00:35:18 gta03 doesnt even exist yet Feb 17 00:35:18 raster, oh, I know Feb 17 00:35:20 :) Feb 17 00:35:31 better off just picking up a pandora, right raster? Feb 17 00:35:31 so buy gta02 or.. well buy something else.. or .. dont buy anything Feb 17 00:35:32 :) Feb 17 00:35:42 Dave: actually i'm giving up on panny Feb 17 00:35:50 after they take credit card payments Feb 17 00:35:55 then end up refunding because their bank is fucked Feb 17 00:36:05 they send out info on how to transfer money to them Feb 17 00:36:09 (bank acct details) Feb 17 00:36:09 err, i meant to say a gta03 Feb 17 00:36:12 uh oh Feb 17 00:36:13 which now i find are incorrect Feb 17 00:36:17 hahahaha Feb 17 00:36:17 i have gta02s Feb 17 00:36:18 and my money is stuck not able to be xferred Feb 17 00:36:25 and i have to chase them up on it Feb 17 00:36:33 i'm really beginning to just give up Feb 17 00:36:38 that sucks big time Feb 17 00:36:46 they are just not competent enough to even accept money. Feb 17 00:36:53 i have enough omap stuff now anyway Feb 17 00:37:06 and i have a 6410 toy with touchscreen and all anyway Feb 17 00:37:08 sounds like my university Feb 17 00:37:11 either that, or openmoko :) Feb 17 00:37:17 in a much nicer formfacotr than a panny anyway Feb 17 00:37:24 heh, nice Feb 17 00:38:24 prototype o.O Feb 17 00:39:15 yup Feb 17 00:39:32 so far it has managed to not crash... :) Feb 17 00:39:42 :) Feb 17 00:39:43 so where does the openmoko build stand? Feb 17 00:39:51 has fso even been pushed into it yet? Feb 17 00:40:24 ask Ainulindale Feb 17 00:40:49 even suspends and resumes... Feb 17 00:40:51 reliably Feb 17 00:41:14 how fast? Feb 17 00:41:31 or, is that suspend? Feb 17 00:42:18 resume is roughly instant Feb 17 00:42:26 like < 200ms Feb 17 00:42:38 i press power and screen is on - processes running Feb 17 00:42:51 suspend takes maybe Feb 17 00:43:07 hmm sounds like zeroclk Feb 17 00:43:08 500ms Feb 17 00:43:27 nah Feb 17 00:43:37 its dead to interrupts, serial, etc. etc. Feb 17 00:43:44 until i press power to unsuspend Feb 17 00:43:45 ok Feb 17 00:44:04 playing with the shr unstable feb16 lite img Feb 17 00:44:17 gps doesnt seem to be working though Feb 17 00:44:20 so that's pretty decent Feb 17 00:44:31 1969 Feb 17 00:44:48 docscrutinizer2: yup Feb 17 00:45:00 so theres a basic core os where... the stuff works Feb 17 00:46:28 Raster, what is this? Feb 17 00:46:40 Dave: stuff Feb 17 00:47:47 ¬_¬ Feb 17 00:47:49 glofiish m800 has inadverted shutdown, wsod, slow, noise from speaker, eat bat... even on winmoob6. there has to be sth odd with 2442 Feb 17 00:48:16 hmmm even on winmo? Feb 17 00:48:24 €70 Feb 17 00:48:28 yup Feb 17 00:49:27 (yeah I know winmo isn't any better per se) Feb 17 00:50:03 man winmo is crap Feb 17 00:50:07 but it's kinfa FR's brother even with completely different os Feb 17 00:50:10 ok - let me qualify that Feb 17 00:50:28 1. developing for it sucks as its so stripped down and different from win32 that its just painful Feb 17 00:50:51 2. it has stupid arbitrary limitations like 32 processes max Feb 17 00:51:00 yup. I hate it Feb 17 00:51:01 3. the user interface is abominable Feb 17 00:51:04 it works - sure Feb 17 00:51:12 but its slow, and cumbersome Feb 17 00:52:15 my point is: same hw base, different os, still same issues Feb 17 00:52:31 makes me wonder Feb 17 00:54:47 yeah Feb 17 00:54:55 tho.. did th3e same hw engineers workon both? Feb 17 00:55:04 or.. simply - were there errors in the manual Feb 17 00:55:07 Joerg, yeah :\ Feb 17 00:55:16 and both followed the wrong manual without checking for corrections? Feb 17 00:55:17 no idea. Feb 17 00:55:29 but the 2442 should have died long before gtas02 came out Feb 17 00:55:37 haha, sounds like the chinese stole some bad manuals ;) Feb 17 00:55:39 hell should have switched to a 6400 for gta02 Feb 17 00:55:46 :) Feb 17 00:55:53 raster, yes :( Feb 17 00:58:26 hmm seems M800 and GTA02 share schem partially Feb 17 00:58:38 don't ask me why Feb 17 00:58:49 thats probably why they have the same bugs :) Feb 17 00:58:55 ;) Feb 17 00:59:05 blame china Feb 17 00:59:10 * Dave rolls his eyes Feb 17 00:59:24 yeah hw bugs :(((( Feb 17 01:00:32 your ideas about errors in docs are quite inspiring Feb 17 01:02:00 maybe even chip bugs Feb 17 01:02:15 docs do have errors Feb 17 01:02:27 they have multiple revisions for a reason Feb 17 01:02:27 :) Feb 17 01:02:36 heh Feb 17 01:02:59 sure Feb 17 01:04:09 wsod seems caused by hw component bug e.g. Feb 17 01:05:18 lcm is hiding sth occasionally spoiling things Feb 17 01:09:07 well you both use the same lcm i think Feb 17 01:11:23 yup Feb 17 01:12:05 secrets Feb 17 01:12:27 so no surprise to see wsod on glofiish Feb 17 01:14:52 it may expl.ain why many gta02's in engineering never saw it Feb 17 01:15:02 they probably used different lcm batches Feb 17 01:15:12 like one fromt he "samples for prototyping" pile Feb 17 01:15:17 maybe Feb 17 01:15:23 the other from the "larger volume production" queue Feb 17 01:15:37 oh well Feb 17 01:15:54 isn't sourcing fun? :-/ Feb 17 01:16:02 i like this new screen Feb 17 01:16:09 got the gta02 screen beat for dpi Feb 17 01:16:19 maybe 2442 is sort of similar Feb 17 01:16:23 possibly Feb 17 01:17:35 man winmo6.1 still takes like 1min to boot Feb 17 01:17:45 thats crap Feb 17 01:18:03 well still samsung is the only chip manuf creating income atm Feb 17 01:18:32 1min - lol. more like 90sec Feb 17 01:18:50 25secs for this other 6410 thing Feb 17 01:18:55 all the way to e17+illume Feb 17 01:19:06 including uboot delay Feb 17 01:21:36 fuck winmo's messeges app is crap Feb 17 01:22:26 as is the gui itself Feb 17 01:22:33 yes Feb 17 01:22:42 i am amazed that people use this crap Feb 17 01:30:52 :D Feb 17 01:32:06 raster, make better. Feb 17 01:32:10 hello Feb 17 01:32:15 raster: are you talking about e failing to be stable ?? Feb 17 01:32:16 :p Feb 17 01:32:19 The distribute it as an winmo update (virus) Feb 17 01:32:23 :D Feb 17 01:32:59 mt works for me Feb 17 01:33:01 stabilly Feb 17 01:35:01 hopefully you don't develop just for yourself, so we might end up being able to make a release once e is fixed Feb 17 01:35:04 :) Feb 17 01:35:27 that's up to you - not me. Feb 17 01:35:48 i get paid by people who are perfectly happy with that they have. Feb 17 01:35:57 and i'm busy Feb 17 01:36:15 if you sit around waiting for me to fix it for free you may be waiting a long time Feb 17 01:36:24 boo. Feb 17 01:36:25 my priority is with those that contribute to my bottom line Feb 17 01:36:32 :\ Feb 17 01:36:40 anything else is "if i feel like it" Feb 17 01:36:43 is money that tight, raster? Feb 17 01:36:44 (and have the time) Feb 17 01:36:49 Dave: no. Feb 17 01:36:49 raster: sorry but I don't sit around, just have work a lot for the community these last weeks Feb 17 01:36:50 :) Feb 17 01:36:56 i'm not worried about money Feb 17 01:37:39 if i was bored with nothnig to do i might work on it Feb 17 01:37:47 right now i am not bored with nothgn to do Feb 17 01:37:57 in fact i am unlikely to ever be bored with nothing to do Feb 17 01:38:27 So basically, that's the end of that. Feb 17 01:38:42 you basically wait until it gets on my priority queue Feb 17 01:38:51 or - you do what all this open source stuff is about Feb 17 01:38:56 you pick up the code and patch it Feb 17 01:39:14 or just pay you to fix it :P Feb 17 01:39:17 i have done so myself many a time Feb 17 01:39:18 but probably isn't worth it :) Feb 17 01:39:22 yeah yeah Feb 17 01:39:31 we have lots of patch whores here, it seems (surprisingly) Feb 17 01:39:32 pay is fine in theory Feb 17 01:39:47 but in practice you need to then slot into my work queue :) Feb 17 01:39:53 haha right Feb 17 01:39:55 yes Feb 17 01:39:55 so fuck that :) Feb 17 01:39:58 so what i'm saying is Feb 17 01:40:03 don't sit and "wait for me" Feb 17 01:40:08 i'm a busy man Feb 17 01:40:09 better off bribing someone here to do it :D Feb 17 01:40:16 open source is about the code being open and free Feb 17 01:40:19 raster: I just do it currently also on many projects, so I don't see the point to getting my hands in yet another project, and even more if it has no roots or no code base shared with what I know Feb 17 01:40:21 u get it for nothing Feb 17 01:40:28 haha I disagree :p Feb 17 01:40:29 so sometimes u need to do a little work too :) Feb 17 01:40:35 it comes with a monster headache sometimes ;) Feb 17 01:40:39 right Feb 17 01:40:42 nt understood. Feb 17 01:40:47 ptitjes: understood Feb 17 01:40:55 then don't complain :) Feb 17 01:41:22 I just complain that you do not even bother about problem people have by using your code Feb 17 01:41:30 I find this not an open source attitude Feb 17 01:41:33 for you to know Feb 17 01:41:33 om pay another e developer to help them Feb 17 01:41:47 who told you I'm from om ? Feb 17 01:41:48 to date he has not done anything on the kbd or anythign else Feb 17 01:41:51 i nd i bet u why Feb 17 01:42:03 he's busy on sean's processing bent Feb 17 01:42:07 instead of making stuff work Feb 17 01:42:18 assy Feb 17 01:42:44 ptitjes: dude. i have tried often enough to reproduce problems Feb 17 01:42:51 i have spent countless hours on getting shr even to work Feb 17 01:42:58 with enough stuff to fix Feb 17 01:43:03 I'm from an open source project, which has more and more nothing to do with om, and which (and this is my personnal opinion) might have made a mistake by chosing to rely on e Feb 17 01:43:11 i am fresh out of time. Feb 17 01:43:38 raster: it is not that complicated to run a makefile and sit on the chair ;) Feb 17 01:43:45 u'd be surprised Feb 17 01:44:00 it didnt build a system with x on it at all Feb 17 01:44:04 tried twice - 2 rebuilds Feb 17 01:44:12 had to get some patches in Feb 17 01:44:13 qemu failed Feb 17 01:44:24 had to repatch (as qemu uses the native gcc not the oe built one) Feb 17 01:44:39 (that i already patched in oe dev) Feb 17 01:44:41 raster: but why did you use qemu Feb 17 01:44:54 because to build requires u build qemu Feb 17 01:45:07 oe builds qemu so it can run some tools under qemu to generate things Feb 17 01:45:13 like locale files for example Feb 17 01:45:25 it builds perfectly in one shot here Feb 17 01:46:15 it didnt for me Feb 17 01:46:25 anyway we are stuck Feb 17 01:46:28 it took several tries and several days Feb 17 01:46:33 i got it to build finally Feb 17 01:46:36 cause this is one of the last blocker Feb 17 01:46:39 and then i had to travel Feb 17 01:46:57 and right now.. i have a queue of work to do for my clients Feb 17 01:47:06 and e's codebase is to huge to retrofit the problem if you don't know e Feb 17 01:47:22 well as i said Feb 17 01:47:32 there's an e dev paid by om. Feb 17 01:47:34 not me Feb 17 01:47:40 but we are not om Feb 17 01:47:46 shr is not om$ Feb 17 01:47:53 om made the mistake of breaking their agreements Feb 17 01:47:55 i know Feb 17 01:48:00 oups the $ was not intended Feb 17 01:48:08 anyway... :) Feb 17 01:48:17 i am not asking for money - dont get me wrong Feb 17 01:48:22 :P Feb 17 01:48:23 i am tryog to tell you that i am busy Feb 17 01:48:34 Okay, sheesh, we get that :) Feb 17 01:48:36 get another e dev interested Feb 17 01:48:44 or just wait Feb 17 01:48:45 GET THEM HOOKED ON E! Feb 17 01:48:47 don't know any other e dev Feb 17 01:48:48 or downgrade Feb 17 01:48:51 #e Feb 17 01:48:54 #edevelop Feb 17 01:48:57 lots of them Feb 17 01:48:59 :) Feb 17 01:49:00 I though for a long time you were alone coding that Feb 17 01:49:13 me too, actually Feb 17 01:49:43 anyway let me get back integrating gobject-instrospection in Vala Feb 17 01:49:57 see you folks Feb 17 01:51:06 no Feb 17 01:51:07 not alone Feb 17 01:51:19 thats why i try and deflect Feb 17 01:51:24 as i'm not the only person to go to Feb 17 01:51:30 i'm possibly the one who knows the most Feb 17 01:51:32 but not all Feb 17 01:51:45 and there are others. Feb 17 01:52:23 * Dave cheers for ptitjes Feb 17 01:52:48 it's just totally strange to me that you would say e is unstable - i use it 24/7 as my desktop- as do lots of people Feb 17 01:52:58 and it marches along happily Feb 17 01:53:09 it's fast as hell Feb 17 01:53:19 illume worked pretty ok- until i put in some intl dict patches Feb 17 01:53:21 dict got slow Feb 17 01:53:31 recently i broke ilist by fixing up abuse of ilist Feb 17 01:53:47 i need to address that Feb 17 01:53:53 it breaks a few things Feb 17 01:54:07 but just in the "well that list is now sized badly" departments Feb 17 01:54:21 yeah, I'm not exactly sure what's wrong, but I know people have been complaining about some breakages lately which drive them away from using it Feb 17 01:54:37 beats me Feb 17 01:54:42 as i said Feb 17 01:54:45 i know of some Feb 17 01:54:55 but like anything - you either sit on a stable old release Feb 17 01:55:00 and live with the fact new features dont exist Feb 17 01:55:09 or u upgrade and take with it the pain of an upgrade Feb 17 01:55:10 or you get your hands dirty on the new one ;) Feb 17 01:55:26 yup Feb 17 01:55:56 my clients use pretty much bleeding edge stuff and have zero complains on stability Feb 17 01:56:00 they have some complaints on speed Feb 17 01:56:07 i fixed them in a few days Feb 17 01:56:49 yes, you are pretty amazing, raster. Feb 17 01:57:00 no. not Feb 17 01:57:07 Oh, no? Feb 17 01:57:07 i just know that issues can turn up Feb 17 01:57:12 and they can be addressed Feb 17 01:57:27 I just thought you must have utilized some sort of super secret powerful magic :) Feb 17 01:57:31 but generally the issues are very simple Feb 17 01:57:37 no Feb 17 02:00:28 but stability for me seems just fine (stability == not crash) Feb 17 02:01:15 there are bugs - it just will take some time to sort thru them Feb 17 02:01:54 as best i know 3 issues exist worth worrying about Feb 17 02:02:05 1. cpu usage for no apparent reason Feb 17 02:02:22 we have 1 for sure Feb 17 02:02:27 (this has never been observerd anywhere except on shr so i had to get a whole shr build to work) Feb 17 02:02:50 2. ilist is at 0 size as itmes are queued for add - just need to add a "force run of queue for up to N items" call and fix up some code Feb 17 02:02:54 thats easy Feb 17 02:03:07 3. slow dict lookup - there's a patch pending but it causes segv's elsewhere Feb 17 02:03:18 thats all i know about Feb 17 02:03:33 we've got 3. as well, AFAIK Feb 17 02:04:01 (oh well a lot of e config dialogs dont fit on the screen - but thats nothing new) Feb 17 02:04:15 maybe we have 2. but I think mrmoku|away is managing this Feb 17 02:04:21 which ones? Feb 17 02:04:57 raster: my numbers were your numbers :D Feb 17 02:05:02 aah ok Feb 17 02:05:02 same Feb 17 02:05:36 #2 and #3 are straightforward as i know just what needs doing Feb 17 02:05:44 #1 will probably have to pend for a while Feb 17 02:05:52 patch is pending for the dict. issue ? that is good news Feb 17 02:05:53 yeah Feb 17 02:05:58 yes Feb 17 02:06:08 but causes more segv's for keys like 'é' Feb 17 02:06:14 I thought that there was some insight into #1, but right, it's still not tracked down entirely (ergo, the issue still exists). Feb 17 02:06:17 not sure if it speeds things up either Feb 17 02:06:19 ick Feb 17 02:06:35 Dave: yes. #1 is just downright confusing as to what it is Feb 17 02:07:02 #1 is our main problem. it seems that three or four people just did try to figure out what happens during days without any (concrete) results Feb 17 02:07:14 i saw Feb 17 02:07:19 right, but they did make some interesting observaqtions Feb 17 02:07:28 like, if I kill blah, or stop blah and blah, the problem ceases Feb 17 02:07:31 and by the time i got sh built and working - i had to do other things Feb 17 02:07:37 though clearly that's not a solution, but nevertheless useful :) Feb 17 02:08:01 I hope we might have solve it before the end of the month... Feb 17 02:08:12 can't guarantee Feb 17 02:08:32 i recommend peole look into it - and try and narrow it down while i'm busy Feb 17 02:08:58 Hey raster, you're kind enough to grant us with your presence and answer questions here and there :) Feb 17 02:09:07 As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty freaking good :) Feb 17 02:09:18 if someone narrows it down nicely Feb 17 02:09:21 yeah do agree Feb 17 02:09:24 right Feb 17 02:09:25 i might be able to go "aha!" Feb 17 02:09:30 and fix it in 3 minutes Feb 17 02:09:41 thanks guys Feb 17 02:09:47 gtg sleeping now Feb 17 02:09:51 buy Feb 17 02:09:53 oups Feb 17 02:09:54 bye Feb 17 02:09:59 but if i have to spend possibly a day or more futzing to narrow it down- it will always be somewhere at the back of my queue as i know i'm just going to lose a day or more Feb 17 02:10:09 and thats a day behind for my clients on their work :( Feb 17 02:10:53 yeah Feb 17 02:11:07 raster, let us be your code monkeys :) Feb 17 02:11:08 problems i know are a few minutes of time Feb 17 02:11:15 or maybe an hr i am probably happy to do Feb 17 02:11:19 great! Feb 17 02:11:23 but the big nasties will sit on queues Feb 17 02:11:37 until we get most of it shaved off Feb 17 02:16:01 nb last week i did some changes to elementary and ecore... scrolling shoudl be smother now Feb 17 02:16:01 :) Feb 17 02:17:11 Oh yeah I heard something about failure in elementary or it blowing up or something Feb 17 02:17:20 works for me Feb 17 02:17:22 but I'm only reiterating vague memories at this point Feb 17 02:17:23 yeah Feb 17 02:17:36 me too Feb 17 02:18:01 of course a chunk of shr apps are using unexported internal api calls to make their own widgets Feb 17 02:18:29 so if things blow up... i am not even going to care if its part of an custom widget that uses unpublished api calls :) Feb 17 02:18:38 they are unpublished for a good reason Feb 17 02:18:39 :) Feb 17 02:18:42 right Feb 17 02:18:44 hehe :P Feb 17 02:30:04 ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 17 02:59:58 2009