**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 24 02:59:57 2009 Feb 24 03:27:41 if writing python apps for FSO/SHR what is the best gui toolkit to use? Feb 24 03:30:43 projektdotnet: i prefer efl personally, but that's just my preference Feb 24 03:31:57 thx Feb 24 03:46:02 Anton :) Feb 24 04:01:07 hey dave Feb 24 04:01:17 how you been? Feb 24 04:53:51 night Feb 24 04:57:38 :) Feb 24 06:01:08 missing modules.dep :-/ Feb 24 06:01:14 fs ro Feb 24 06:01:24 USB not found Feb 24 06:01:45 on MS5-console with SD Feb 24 06:03:49 any hints, except "take a nap"? Maybe I'm missing sth? Feb 24 06:18:33 DocScrutinizer: known problem with MS5; must boot from uboot with "rw" instead of "ro" command line option. Feb 24 06:18:56 (it has a bug that makes it fail to remount rootfs rw during init, and then everything goes wrong) Feb 24 06:19:16 yup Feb 24 06:19:26 looks like. how to fix that Feb 24 06:19:28 ? Feb 24 06:19:47 in the image, or in u-boot? Feb 24 06:20:14 image Feb 24 06:20:49 it's tgz on SD. so np to edit a file or the like Feb 24 06:21:09 fstab? Feb 24 06:21:47 untar image to sd card, then the easiest thing to do is to edit /etc/init.d/rc and find the line that reads Feb 24 06:21:52 *.sh) Feb 24 06:22:07 k Feb 24 06:22:09 and change it so that case will never match, something like Feb 24 06:22:13 *.shxxxxxxx) Feb 24 06:22:19 k Feb 24 06:22:34 that's it? Feb 24 06:22:59 That will fix at least one bug, and I think that fix will "ripple" out to fix the rootfs so it gets remounted rw. Feb 24 06:23:27 I'll give it a shot Feb 24 06:28:31 let's see Feb 24 06:29:28 fix looks strange anyway Feb 24 06:29:45 woohooo, configuring **** Feb 24 06:31:38 Listening on LPF/usb0/0a:3b:a1:20:0b:b6 Feb 24 06:31:55 DHCPDISCOVER on usb0 to 255.2 Feb 24 06:32:01 looks good Feb 24 06:32:06 thanks mwester Feb 24 06:33:19 The "fix" is nothing but a hack that removes an optimization to the boot process --- that optimization breaks some shell redirection, and causes the mountall.sh startup script to fail before it remounts the rootfs. The real fix is a lot more typing, and more error-prone. (But it's fixed in OE so FSO 5.5 shouldn't have this problem). Feb 24 06:34:50 anyway i can ssh in now. Thanks a lot Feb 24 06:35:43 take a nap now. cya Feb 24 06:43:38 Funny, i wanted to check the issues i see with registration loss after using the subway and set calypso_deep_sleep = always instead of never :) Feb 24 06:43:56 :-) Feb 24 06:44:21 * DocScrutinizer asleep, sleeptyping :P Feb 24 06:47:10 what to do after make image? Feb 24 06:54:40 hm Feb 24 07:01:11 nobody knows? Feb 24 07:04:25 PaulFertser_: so much for excel sheet ;-) night Feb 24 07:23:42 morning Feb 24 08:22:28 I was look at Edje as a front end for my application, but it is required to show some dynamic data in tabular form. Can Edje handle that? I have looked at the documentation but cannot seem to find any information on this. Feb 24 08:29:46 some moko11 beta testers here? Feb 24 08:48:18 methril: i am Feb 24 08:48:46 PaulFertser_: what image do you use to update the firmware? Feb 24 08:48:52 methril: any Feb 24 08:48:58 ok Feb 24 08:49:00 methril: i use Debian Feb 24 08:49:06 methril: what distro are you using? Feb 24 08:49:12 i see with moko10 they recommend a stand-alone image Feb 24 08:49:13 fso Feb 24 08:49:21 i didn't test debian yet Feb 24 08:49:35 and i tested some early versions of shr Feb 24 08:49:37 methril: it doesn't matter moko10 or moko11. With fso killing Zhone is enough. Feb 24 08:49:50 and frameworkd? Feb 24 08:50:02 methril: not really needed Feb 24 08:50:07 ok Feb 24 08:50:13 thanks for the advice :) Feb 24 08:50:16 methril: just ensure, that gsm0710muxd is not running Feb 24 08:50:32 methril: don't forget to "cd /usr/sbin" before starting fluid.exe Feb 24 08:50:44 well, maybe i stop all the services (to be sure nothing acces the gsm modem) :D Feb 24 08:50:58 ok Feb 24 08:51:01 methril: and i advice you to go to "Troubleshooting method" after Phase1 directly, as it's more sane method. Feb 24 08:51:16 let me check :) Feb 24 08:51:47 methril: if fluid.exe stays at (reset target), just power-cycle the modem once more (without killing fluid), it will most certainly work. Feb 24 08:52:06 well, i read carefully the instructions Feb 24 08:52:31 if it dead you dont have any option to recover the firmware, isn't it? Feb 24 08:53:19 methril: it can't be dead Feb 24 08:53:36 methril: it's impossible to really brick the modem. Maximum harm you can do is damage calibration data but it needs some dedication to be done Feb 24 08:54:23 PaulFertser_: you have experience damaging calibration data? :) Feb 24 08:54:29 methril: though damaging calibration data will most certainly render the modem useless. Feb 24 08:55:32 methril: nobody achieved so far to best of our (OM's) knowledge Feb 24 08:55:34 PaulFertser_: well, if you could flash another firmware is not bad, you didn't brick and you could recovery the calibration data Feb 24 08:55:51 to mess calib that is Feb 24 08:56:20 it's a way to backup the calibration? or varies with different firmwares? Feb 24 08:56:22 you can't recover calib data Feb 24 08:56:35 if it's deleted it's gone Feb 24 08:56:41 methril: just don't mess with fluid and don't think about calibration Feb 24 08:56:52 ok Feb 24 08:56:57 methril: nevermind calib Feb 24 08:56:58 i'll check it later Feb 24 08:57:35 methril: follow advice at gsm/flashing and it will work Feb 24 08:57:57 i'm looking at it :) Feb 24 08:58:19 thanks to you PaulFertser_ and joerg_42 for the advices Feb 24 08:58:54 uSD will come in a few days. so if you feel uncomfortable, wait some more days Feb 24 09:01:05 no, i'm ok Feb 24 09:01:38 i was only guessing if it was safe, and i see your mail about beta testers feedback, and i'd like to see if it's ok Feb 24 09:02:13 sorry for all the and's Feb 24 09:03:55 methril: np Feb 24 09:03:58 cya Feb 24 09:05:27 we're going moko11beta->moko11 (release) in a few days. no changes other than version-string though ;-) just to let you know Feb 24 09:07:37 i see the mail in the hw and dev ml Feb 24 09:12:41 whats the interest of updating gsm firmware? Feb 24 09:16:48 sakkara: bug fixing Feb 24 09:23:32 I wonder whether they'll ever stop fucking messing the Reply-To header on community mailing list. Feb 24 09:42:45 http://git.shr-project.org/ - nothing green :( Feb 24 09:43:34 dos1: you like green? :P Feb 24 09:44:56 mrmoku: i like hot new stuff ;] Feb 24 09:45:03 mrmoku: but i have one Feb 24 09:45:17 mrmoku: shr_currentprofile.py with ability to change ringtone :) Feb 24 09:45:23 commit soon Feb 24 09:45:39 gui still needs some love, but it's usable i think ;) Feb 24 09:49:51 dos1: looking forward to it :-) Feb 24 09:50:45 next it will have ability to change message-tone, but before that i want to support gstreamer options :x Feb 24 09:50:59 as ;tune=3 in arkanoid theme ;] Feb 24 09:53:33 Hm, if a HW engineer uses Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) and Excel, does it say anything about qualification? I don't think so. Feb 24 09:55:29 mrmoku: commited; screens on scap Feb 24 10:02:53 Hm, can anybody explain how on earth am i supposed to reply to community mailing list properly if it has Reply-To set incorrectly? Feb 24 10:05:49 mrmoku: hello! Feb 24 10:06:06 dos1: btw... you could try to set back to Software... remove the GSM gadget... reboot... and readd it and see if CPU usage is down Feb 24 10:06:38 other than the Software16 artifacts it looks great :P Feb 24 10:06:40 ptitjes: hi Feb 24 10:06:58 mrmoku: it seems to me that git behaves better when lines with no code contains no whitespace... am I right ? Feb 24 10:07:24 mrmoku: now i h ave 0,0% with enlightenment Feb 24 10:07:30 (and surely all scms ?) Feb 24 10:08:09 dos1: mrmoku: did you correct the cpu problem ?? :D Feb 24 10:08:29 ptitjes: no, i don't know why ;D Feb 24 10:09:18 arf Feb 24 10:09:19 ok, now i have to go ;) Feb 24 10:09:24 damned us Feb 24 10:09:26 ptitjes: you can configure git to complain about whitespace problems (like whitespaces in the end) me thinks Feb 24 10:10:25 cu Feb 24 10:10:39 ptitjes: trailing-space treats trailing whitespaces at the end of the line as an error (enabled by default). Feb 24 10:10:48 (quote from man git-config) Feb 24 10:10:57 and is it possible to configure it to remove whitespaces on empty lines Feb 24 10:11:35 ptitjes: no... git will not remove anything, just complain... Feb 24 10:11:51 * mrmoku lets vim remove them when saving Feb 24 10:13:21 yeah Feb 24 10:32:58 VIM! Feb 24 10:33:06 EMACS!!! :) Feb 24 10:33:23 ok, I can return my burnt FR and will get a new one from the dealer Feb 24 10:33:25 pfeww Feb 24 10:33:53 spaetz: Cool :) Feb 24 10:47:41 spaetz: :-) :D Feb 24 10:48:10 PaulFertser: experimenting with some new connection techniques? :P Feb 24 10:49:08 mrmoku: nope, just desperately trying to be online even when my home PC is unavailble for outside connections :( still dreaming about bip-account Feb 24 10:50:20 mrmoku: so, disabling the GSM gadget doesn't solve cpu hogging? Feb 24 10:50:29 PaulFertser: yep... me too is dreaming about bip-account... Feb 24 10:50:47 rwhitby to the rescue :) Feb 24 10:51:00 PaulFertser: well... unclear up to now... Feb 24 10:53:54 bbiab... got to move my ass home :-) Feb 24 11:51:50 What do you think about new "select ringtone" gui? :D Feb 24 11:54:38 Do it work for you? ;) Feb 24 11:56:09 Noone wants to talk with me :( Feb 24 11:56:13 ;) Feb 24 12:48:09 dos1: nah... I already built it... so... :-) Feb 24 12:55:04 PaulFertser: for the record, in follow-up of my last week's question on detecting USB connected or not in kernel 2.6.28, it seems that /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/power_supply:usb/online Feb 24 12:55:04 is the most reliable way. Feb 24 12:58:37 dos1: nice... and seems to work also :P Feb 24 12:59:00 just one thing you could add... the ability to test the selected tone Feb 24 13:10:15 dos1: another thing comes to mind... after all the GPS discussions... the possibility to purge the pickle file Feb 24 13:13:26 dos1: ahh, and cancel button from Providers screen does not work Feb 24 13:47:39 PaulFertser: can the endless ringtone/vibration on incoming call when suspended be related to the gsm firmware thingie? Could that be fixed with the update? Feb 24 13:49:32 mrmoku: when one wants to report a bug like that, it's supposed that he'll provide an ogsmd debug log. Otherwise, any reasonable investigation is impossible, imho. But i'd suggest to upgrade anyway, as i see no reason to use a firmware with known bugs. Feb 24 13:50:16 mrmoku: but this users are so clueless that they don't even know relation between frameworkd and FSO :( Feb 24 13:51:40 mrmoku: it probably can if we assume that the call terminated %CPI unsolicited was lost due to absence of hardware flow control, but i never saw that. I saw a race in oeventsd rules, but that was fixed long time ago. Feb 24 13:54:54 PaulFertser: this is why I'm having a hard time to answer those mails ;) Feb 24 13:56:08 mrmoku: the vibration story is completely weird, as if he can talk over GSM, that means that ogsmd did hear %CPI that the call is initiated and changed alsa state, but it should have notified oeventsd as well. But without frameworkd log (that can contain tracebacks) and even sometimes frameworkd output itself it's hard to say what could have happened. Feb 24 13:56:42 raster, we have a thread about illume and cpu consumption on the community list - can you just confirm that illume <0.2% cpu usage when idle is realistic? Feb 24 13:56:57 mrmoku: so, i guess we have to either educate the users how to provide meaningful logs or just ignore the requests :) Feb 24 13:58:10 PaulFertser: :-) I'm opting for the second for now... too busy to do education work right now ;) Feb 24 13:59:28 mrmoku: somehow i managed to find out a lot about frameworkd, its subsystems, how to enable debugging and stuff just looking at the code and the wiki (despite i never learned Python). So it seems that if one wants to solve the problems, he'll be able to. If not, he'll be of little help :-/ Feb 24 14:00:54 PaulFertser: to be fair... not everybody is as enabled as you are ;) Feb 24 14:01:41 mrmoku: other possible explanation would be is that i have too much free time Feb 24 14:02:10 :-) Feb 24 14:02:17 mrmoku: as i see so many more talented hackers here than i am, i prefer to call myself an end-user. Feb 24 14:03:38 PaulFertser: sophisticated end user though :P Feb 24 14:03:58 mrmoku: yep :) Feb 24 14:04:10 "advanced" Feb 24 14:11:47 Well, a wiki page "how to create useful debug logs" would be a help Feb 24 14:12:08 * spaetz predicts next reply will start with "great, why don't you do it" :-) Feb 24 14:12:33 what's a bip-account? Feb 24 14:12:52 BIP in Germany is "Gross National Product" abbreviated Feb 24 14:15:04 spaetz: bip is an IRC proxy Feb 24 14:15:40 PaulFertser and I want access to a bip server which does not disconnect now and then Feb 24 14:15:55 s/I/me/ Feb 24 14:15:56 mrmoku meant: PaulFertser and me want access to a bip server which does not disconnect now and then Feb 24 14:16:22 never miss when somebody is talking bad about you :P Feb 24 14:32:25 mrmoku: ahh, I see Feb 24 14:33:02 don't you have access to a small vroot at fluxnetz.de where you can run a screen session with irssi? Feb 24 14:33:09 * spaetz does that Feb 24 14:33:39 vroot, err vserver Feb 24 14:35:29 mrmoku: do you use mokos @ fluxnetz? :p Feb 24 14:43:04 :p Feb 24 14:52:11 Dave: !! Feb 24 14:58:05 bumbl: just me Feb 24 14:59:18 my colleague got a SE Xperia some days ago Feb 24 14:59:45 bah Feb 24 15:00:01 noone likes phones that work out of the box Feb 24 15:00:28 well... just because you can't look into it... does not mean it works ;) Feb 24 15:00:57 as soon as the kernel side is ready he will use SHR though :D Feb 24 15:01:26 hehe Feb 24 15:01:39 any major news concerning shr? Feb 24 15:02:19 well... no Feb 24 15:02:32 apart from some fix in ophonekitd Feb 24 15:02:44 which might have happened while you were on the road... Feb 24 15:03:02 ahh, and dos1 and spaetz did some nice work on the settings app Feb 24 15:03:13 with update from today you can set the ringtone :-) Feb 24 15:03:29 ah ok Feb 24 15:03:38 time for trying shr again Feb 24 15:04:03 are async dbus calls for shr settings already implemented? Feb 24 15:04:20 spaetz: yeah... might talk my administrating colleague into it... Feb 24 15:04:34 or finally upgrade my DSL subscription... don't know yet Feb 24 15:05:04 say i want to wake my phone from suspend every 10 mins, whats the best way to do it? Feb 24 15:05:22 cronjob? Feb 24 15:05:34 from suspend? Feb 24 15:05:39 toggles_w: Werner had some small program to do that... Feb 24 15:05:41 * mrmoku looks Feb 24 15:06:01 mrmoku: sweet, thanks.. Feb 24 15:06:08 toggles_w: dunno - there should be a rtc wakeup method Feb 24 15:06:45 * Dave toggles mrmoku Feb 24 15:06:52 bumbl: yeah, i think the cpu is off right, so need to get and off cpu chip to do it Feb 24 15:07:25 toggles_w: elm-alarm wakes the phone so it is possible Feb 24 15:09:09 toggles_w: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/wkalrm/ Feb 24 15:09:19 that might be what you're looking for Feb 24 15:09:55 I used that for my WSoD tests some months ago... Feb 24 15:12:20 or set the wake-up-on-accel trigger Feb 24 15:12:36 and put your phone on something that vibrates every ten minutes Feb 24 15:12:39 :P Feb 24 15:15:57 hmm ... hard decisions to be made - buy a new dvd drive for my desktop pc or buy a new desktop pc :p Feb 24 15:16:03 PaulFertser: ok... just removing the gsm gadget is not enough :( Feb 24 15:16:26 as the p4 drains quite a lot of power Feb 24 15:17:29 bumbl: that would be my argument to convince wifey ;) need the upgrade to save money :P Feb 24 15:17:55 yeah Feb 24 15:34:52 PaulFertser: doing something like 'mv /usr/share/applications/xyz.desktop /tmp' brings down cpu usage immediately... Feb 24 15:37:16 PaulFertser: restarting X brings it back up... Feb 24 15:41:10 interesting Feb 24 15:43:55 i can confirm that, but i had to move 2 .desktop-files Feb 24 15:44:10 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rda6dd8e07c52 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: Feb 24 15:44:10 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Follow renaming of properties attribute in SMS Feb 24 15:44:10 freesmartphone.org: Fixes bugs 359 and 358 which are duplicates. Feb 24 15:47:07 changing `Categories=Game;' to `Categories=SDL;Applications;Games;' in xlogical.desktop brings down cpu-usage... Feb 24 15:48:57 when my osm-maps are updated i test, if this stays after a x-restart Feb 24 15:50:12 Azog: I'm quite sure it won't :( try anyway though Feb 24 15:50:43 mrmoku: it would be very cool Feb 24 15:52:55 ~09:09 < mrmoku> toggles_w: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/wkalrm/ Feb 24 15:53:02 thanks mate Feb 24 15:53:32 np Feb 24 15:54:19 hm where tangogps stores its config ? Feb 24 15:54:59 .gconf/apps/tangogps/\%gconf.xml Feb 24 15:55:12 ahm Feb 24 17:08:57 hi, where can I found the source of the illume keyboard? Feb 24 17:11:53 enlightenment svn somewhere Feb 24 17:11:56 sylar91 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/src/modules/illume/keyboards ;) Feb 24 17:37:43 * von_fritz boots 39177 :) Feb 24 17:42:38 whats a 39177? Feb 24 17:45:11 EFL_SRCREV = "39177" ;) Feb 24 17:47:36 What's a toggles? :P Feb 24 17:48:07 BluesLee :D Feb 24 17:48:37 hey dave, why the overall speed in shr is so bad? Feb 24 17:49:27 dont tell me thats not your fault;-) Feb 24 17:49:43 Dave's not here Feb 24 17:53:20 okay Feb 24 17:53:42 * Dave stabs toggles Feb 24 17:53:48 he wrote a bot Feb 24 17:54:03 he doesnt exist;-) Feb 24 17:54:13 AFFIRMATIVE. Feb 24 17:54:19 i r teh bot Feb 24 17:54:32 kraftwerk Feb 24 17:54:39 we r the robots Feb 24 17:55:52 a simple app like the calculator should pop up immediately Feb 24 17:56:06 more cpus Feb 24 17:56:47 improvement of the ui feeling is important Feb 24 17:57:12 * von_fritz plays with new elementary tests :) Feb 24 17:57:19 otherwise users will prefer this or that Feb 24 17:57:20 *crash* Feb 24 17:58:04 though e's idle cpu usage is 0 it feels slow Feb 24 18:00:02 Dave: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/94405bab8f94ea9694b10954d5516f25.png Feb 24 18:05:30 Dave's not here Feb 24 18:05:47 BluesLee: you really have it down to 0? Feb 24 18:06:39 in some cases i have but it doesnt matter Feb 24 18:06:51 damn Feb 24 18:07:06 the feeling is the same Feb 24 18:07:24 this was different some months ago Feb 24 18:07:29 boot time was better Feb 24 18:07:32 etc Feb 24 18:07:42 new kernel new luck Feb 24 18:16:31 ok, next bug to report. Feb 24 18:16:56 on one of my GTA01s, the phone log application crashes. on the other one, it runs fine. Feb 24 18:17:13 same GSM firmware (moko11), same SHR release (20080216). Feb 24 18:17:21 i imagine its something in my sim. Feb 24 18:17:36 i'm going to swap sims in the two phones, and see if the bug follows the sim. Feb 24 18:19:48 Someone with commiting access to shr-settings.git? Feb 24 18:21:24 Todays morning has bug which slows down gui and others, but i have not ability now to commit patch :/ Feb 24 18:21:45 s/morning/morning commit/ Feb 24 18:21:45 dos1 meant: Todays morning commit has bug which slows down gui and others, but i have not ability now to commit patch :/ Feb 24 18:45:07 juri_: that or you got a corrupted phonelog on one... Feb 24 18:46:02 mrmoku: its been this way the whole time, i've never seen it work. Feb 24 18:49:37 cd Feb 24 18:49:37 ls Feb 24 18:49:43 lolz Feb 24 18:50:01 passwd Feb 24 18:50:04 iRdum Feb 24 18:50:11 iRdum Feb 24 18:50:13 ;) Feb 24 18:58:41 moin Feb 24 18:59:40 juri_: ok... anything special you have in your phonebook on that phone? Feb 24 19:03:07 mrmoku: hello Feb 24 19:03:31 mrmoku: do you think we should still maintain ChangeLogs as we have git log ? Feb 24 19:06:25 ptitjes: if you ask me... no... we should write good commit messages instead :-) Feb 24 19:07:09 git creates you whatever log you like with git log... so no need for a manual log that no one keeps up to date ;) Feb 24 19:08:27 mrmoku: Cool! Removing all the change logs for SHR's vala projects... Feb 24 19:09:06 I wonder whether autotools will shout: Feb 24 19:10:42 ptitjes: should not... (though I'm as far from being an autotools expert as rasters homeplace is distant to my homeplace) Feb 24 19:11:32 mrmoku: héhéhé! Feb 24 19:11:50 mrmoku: Yeah but you know it needs AUTHORS, COPY, .. Feb 24 19:12:03 anyway ChangeLog has gone Feb 24 19:12:33 mrmoku: very efficient day today : http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libmodulo.git;a=summary :D Feb 24 19:13:03 after one week of pausing :P Feb 24 19:13:24 mrmoku: nanana! was working on Vala Feb 24 19:13:49 mrmoku: here are the results of my week http://bugzilla.gnome.org/describeuser.cgi?login=ptitjes%40free.fr Feb 24 19:13:50 just kidding... did not think you were digging in your nose :-) Feb 24 19:14:11 mrmoku: oh yes in between typing! :p Feb 24 19:14:53 mrmoku: I worked on the end to end integration of gobject-introspection in Vala Feb 24 19:15:27 (end to end meaning Vala to export good gir files and to produce good vapis based on incoming gir files) Feb 24 19:16:25 this was important for me as libmodulo relies on .gir files actually to retrieve modulo's custom vala annotations Feb 24 19:17:13 but it will rely directly on typelibs, as soon as Vala produces good gir files to feed gobject-introspection with Feb 24 19:18:29 mrmoku: typelibs are kind of compiled .gir files, and .gir files are introspection files. they describe what classes and interfaces exists and what methods, properties, signals and ANNOTATIONs they have Feb 24 19:19:11 voilà voilà voilà Feb 24 19:19:26 I just bother everyone with my non-sense Feb 24 19:21:58 mrmoku: i have re-flashed the phone, all state must be in the sim. Feb 24 19:25:52 * mrmoku` will beg his sysadmin for a bip server now... Feb 24 19:42:20 is openmoko going to participate in gsoc2009? Feb 24 20:13:46 shr-settings with x11-16 works really fast! Feb 24 20:13:48 :) Feb 24 20:13:55 hm? Feb 24 20:14:36 engine software-x11-16 bit :P Feb 24 20:14:49 buttons in main menu look ugly Feb 24 20:15:03 but other pages look good Feb 24 20:15:08 and scrolling is fast Feb 24 20:15:24 ELM_ENGINE=x11-16 shr-settings Feb 24 20:15:26 ;] Feb 24 20:16:28 ahm ;) Feb 24 20:16:37 dos1: by setting the renderen to software_16 in the illume config menu? Feb 24 20:16:44 or do you mean something else? Feb 24 20:16:57 Zorkman_: no, with command which i write above :P Feb 24 20:17:02 ELM_ENGINE... Feb 24 20:17:16 with that variable SHR apps works faster too Feb 24 20:17:31 do i just type it in when ssh'd in? Feb 24 20:17:42 Zorkman_: yep Feb 24 20:17:54 you can run openmoko-dialer, messages and contacts with that too Feb 24 20:18:19 root@om-gta02 ~ $ ELM_ENGINE=x11-16 shr-settings Feb 24 20:18:19 Segmentation fault Feb 24 20:18:34 running shr 09/02, with shr-settings upgraded half an hour ago Feb 24 20:18:38 Zorkman_: but check if you have this commit installed: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commit;h=2f9d5b764dac9da17db90389322f9c8ce3f800d9 Feb 24 20:18:46 Zorkman: export DISPLAY=:0 :P Feb 24 20:19:21 Zorkman_: it's necessary with all X apps runned from ssh :p Feb 24 20:19:22 woops, noob error :) Feb 24 20:19:25 yeah i know :) Feb 24 20:19:32 first menu does indeed look ugly :) Feb 24 20:21:25 i can now also scroll without bluetooth audio becomming garbled Feb 24 20:22:05 ;) Feb 24 20:23:00 lol; i like the kabum :) Feb 24 20:23:00 DEBUG: window destroy callback called! kabum! Feb 24 20:23:44 kabum it's mine ;D Feb 24 20:23:52 s/it's/is/ Feb 24 20:23:52 dos1 meant: kabum is mine ;D Feb 24 20:25:34 i've just set x11-16 in elementary as default in my system Feb 24 20:30:17 hi Feb 24 20:31:03 I compiled now shr-unstable but where are the uboot.bin and the rootfs.jffs2? Feb 24 20:31:50 tmp/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02 Feb 24 20:32:50 aah, thanks Feb 24 20:38:44 btw dos1: are you planning on making that ELM_ENGINE command default? Feb 24 20:39:02 nooooooooooooo pleeeeeeeasssssse not Feb 24 20:39:37 itwhy not? Feb 24 20:39:46 because its UGLY :P Feb 24 20:39:55 choose better layout and colors and it will be nice Feb 24 20:41:52 mrmoku: i think we really should have theme, which doesn't have artefacts on x11-16 Feb 24 20:42:03 mrmoku: cause x11-16 is REALLY faster :P Feb 24 20:42:23 i agree Feb 24 20:42:52 with x11-16 you can make things that are as beautiful as that what we have now Feb 24 20:43:03 and the freerunner REALLY needs a speed-upgrade Feb 24 20:43:10 but somebody has to make that theme.... Feb 24 20:43:22 i will put it on my list to ask the santa! Feb 24 20:43:28 *santa Feb 24 20:43:34 mrmoku: with x11-16 list in openmoko-messages looks the same as on x11, but it's really fast :) Feb 24 20:43:50 s/fast/faster/ Feb 24 20:43:52 dos1 meant: mrmoku: with x11-16 list in openmoko-messages looks the same as on x11, but it's really faster :) Feb 24 20:43:57 hi i've got an error when compiling python-elementary Feb 24 20:43:59 include/elementary/c_elementary.pxd:19:8: 'evas.c_evas.pxd' not found Feb 24 20:44:10 ok, it's still not fast, but really really really faster :P Feb 24 20:44:31 and take a look at the illume settings (wrench tool), when you scroll those display/look/screen... buttons it's also really fast Feb 24 20:44:34 and graying screen with elementary hover widget is faster too Feb 24 20:44:39 i want the fr to be everywhere like that Feb 24 20:45:55 hmm... what about firstly port ASU theme to our rev of e17? Feb 24 20:46:05 with that we can look, how fast it can be :x Feb 24 20:46:31 and after that do same work to make it nicer, but still fast enough Feb 24 20:48:06 and... mrmoku: any progress with messages segfault? Feb 24 20:49:45 dos1: well... I just discovered I can make the elementary-test segfault too ;) Feb 24 20:50:02 so... it might as well be all rasters fault :P Feb 24 20:50:54 mrmoku: is that segfault with lists? Feb 24 20:50:59 arf arf arf Feb 24 20:51:17 hello dos1 Feb 24 20:51:32 ptitjes: hi Feb 24 20:51:36 dos1: that one is fixed in current current elementary Feb 24 20:51:42 it is with the scrolled entry test Feb 24 20:51:54 go wild and scroll around... it will segfault :P Feb 24 20:52:24 mrmoku: but messages are still segfaulting in current current elementary? Feb 24 20:52:57 yep Feb 24 20:54:14 btw. my impression is that current EFL is faster also... Feb 24 20:56:16 should I switch back to uboot if I use shr? Feb 24 20:56:31