**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 27 02:59:57 2009 Feb 27 03:42:49 :\ Feb 27 08:53:11 flashmoko11.tar.gz ALPHA! untgz, dd to uSD (multiple partitions, so to basic raw device, not to a partition!). Boot from uSD. Filesize 86MB, ETA for flash ~6min. could be 3min..some15min though Feb 27 08:53:34 ETA for upload 1:08 Feb 27 08:53:50 GTA02 only! Feb 27 08:54:12 NO RECOMMENDATION! Feb 27 08:55:56 green means: take out bat - it's done Feb 27 08:56:14 recommendation to NOT insert SIM Feb 27 09:09:34 If you dare to test, please report :-) Feb 27 09:13:53 ETA absolute: 10:00AM GMT Feb 27 09:15:55 hi~ Feb 27 09:16:35 I am harry..I need your help to fill my survey http://www.t0ny.net/harrytsai/index.php?sid=45769&lang=en Feb 27 09:17:17 this is a 8MB vfat kernel paririon, plus a 256MB ext3 rootfs based FSO-MS5 with /sys gsm node patch Feb 27 09:19:06 tested to boot with uboot1.3.2-NOR May 9 2008, and recent fab env Feb 27 09:43:48 http://www.t0ny.net/harrytsai/index.php?sid=45769&lang=en Feb 27 09:44:08 Need your support to finish the survey!!! Feb 27 10:03:09 TsaiHarry: seen our very similar survey? Feb 27 10:03:12 http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics.html Feb 27 10:04:11 * spaetz is glad that 804 openmoko community members filled it in Feb 27 10:05:11 . Feb 27 10:11:40 mib_94k9gfgf: , Feb 27 10:11:49 he is gone :( Feb 27 10:12:17 :) Feb 27 10:19:07 spaetz: That's a lot Feb 27 10:19:15 804 I mean Feb 27 10:24:46 yep, we were quite happy. 2606 sent out emails (which I apologize for) Feb 27 10:26:40 CM_work: and 429 replies from the maemo community... Feb 27 11:05:37 DocScrutinizer:" mmcblk0p2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features" using uboot1.3.2-moko12 NAND , NOR panics unabel to mount root on (179,2) Feb 27 11:05:43 trying to redo the µSD now Feb 27 11:19:42 DocScrutinizer: tar'ed the contentsof your image, mkfs.ext2 on µSD (so ext2 instead of ext3) ; untarred contents and tried again. Now it's flashing Feb 27 11:21:33 DocScrutinizer: green now :-) Feb 27 11:22:12 DocScrutinizer: antoher small note: screenblanking is annoying, any way to disable it while flashing ? Feb 27 12:10:32 I see we are not following frameworkd and frameworkd-shr-settings anymore Feb 27 12:11:10 which reminds me, we should put out some version as testing pretty soon. Feb 27 12:11:27 people still use testing although it is basically unmaintained ATM Feb 27 12:11:34 yep... wanted to fix the RequestResource problem in ophonekitd first... Feb 27 12:12:00 * mrmoku is missing dbus foo though :( Feb 27 12:12:00 what problem? Feb 27 12:12:15 Request a resource twice and ophonekitd exits Feb 27 12:12:25 I've been experimenting with dbus-glib in C yesterday Feb 27 12:12:32 mmh, that is weird. Feb 27 12:13:02 I'd love to try that from a small python test app now, but I don't have a FR currently ;) Feb 27 12:13:25 the noblank/nosuspend wrapper? Feb 27 12:13:28 what's frameworkd's reaction when you request the same twice? Feb 27 12:13:30 yep Feb 27 12:13:50 well... wanted to ask mickey|zzZZzz exactly that Feb 27 12:13:53 spaetz: new testing would be great Feb 27 12:14:05 looks like a client requesting a resource twice gets an dbus error Feb 27 12:14:24 mrmoku: I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, it might be a reasonable reaction Feb 27 12:14:36 yep... and should be handled in ophonekitd :-) Feb 27 12:14:41 * spaetz digs in frameworkd's code Feb 27 12:14:41 hi Feb 27 12:14:49 Deubeuliou: hi Feb 27 12:15:12 Deubeuliou: are you experienced with dbus-glib? Feb 27 12:15:12 ptitjes: did you receive my email ? Feb 27 12:15:21 not at all, sorry Feb 27 12:15:23 (c not vala ;) Feb 27 12:15:24 ok Feb 27 12:15:50 ok! i commited my changes, which i wanted to have in new testing Feb 27 12:16:04 now I think only RequestResource error is remaining ;) Feb 27 12:16:57 spaetz: your wrapper... does it use ophonekitd or frameworkd to request the resource? Feb 27 12:17:41 * mrmoku wonders if it is plain wrong to do that in ophonekitd... Feb 27 12:18:06 frameworkd, as I didn't know that ophonekitd also provides that Feb 27 12:18:19 also if a client crashes, my wrapper would Release the resource Feb 27 12:18:26 the ophonekitd solution wouldn't IMHO Feb 27 12:18:42 mrmoku: catching DBUS errors in dbus-glib: Feb 27 12:18:42 yep... and ophonekitd would have to do its own reference counting... Feb 27 12:18:49 yep Feb 27 12:19:07 http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html search for "/* Just do demonstrate remote exceptions versus regular GError */ Feb 27 12:19:18 dbus_g_method_return_error... does it cause the program to exit? Feb 27 12:19:24 it shows how to handle DBUS exceptions Feb 27 12:20:29 doesn't look like it should exit: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-glib/dbus-glib-DBusGMethod.html#dbus-g-method-return Feb 27 12:21:27 anyway.... thinking about it... ophonekitd shouldn't handle that.... instead we should ship your wrapper :-) Feb 27 12:21:55 mrmoku: don't know. It would certainly be easier, and apps wouldn't have to be modified to be SHR specific (like tangogps) Feb 27 12:22:30 as somebody pointed out in ml... there is use for tangogps with and without screen Feb 27 12:22:32 on the other hand, having a C-wrapper that "exec's" the main binary might also not be the most efficient thing Feb 27 12:23:01 so it is not strictly app dependent... more usage dependent Feb 27 12:23:06 mrmoku: yep. that's why it can prevent suspend and/or blanking :) Feb 27 12:23:12 well, I see the point Feb 27 12:23:24 why do you think it is not efficient? Feb 27 12:23:33 but in that case people should just start shr-apps and prevent suspend and or blanking via the policies Feb 27 12:23:54 as no wrapper can decide the correct usage policy Feb 27 12:24:17 but you could have two icons on your desktop... one that prevents screen blanking... Feb 27 12:24:28 mrmoku: no clue about efficiency when calling binaries from C, it starts an additinal shell when I do system("foo") Feb 27 12:24:34 mrmoku: true Feb 27 12:25:00 well... system() would not be the right way to do it... more fork() and exec() Feb 27 12:25:01 two icons might be a possibility. One would just have to call "noblank tangogps" and one "nosusp tangogps" Feb 27 12:25:38 will probably use fork and exec, was just getting something to work quickly. I really wanted to experiment with dbus Feb 27 12:25:50 :-) Feb 27 12:30:47 mrmoku: but what would handle settings in shr-settings about autoblanking and autosuspending? Feb 27 12:30:55 mrmoku: as I see it the only advantage of ophonkitd doing a RequestResource is that I don't have to maintain the dbus while the program lasts. Feb 27 12:31:17 so you can easily request a resource from a wrapper shell script, for example Feb 27 12:32:17 dos1: I still plan to add checkboxes to the powermanagement settings which say "disable screen blanking" and "disable suspend" which would set the ResourcePolicies Feb 27 12:32:38 so you don't always have to modify your timeouts and restore them afterwards Feb 27 12:33:03 David: hello Feb 27 12:33:07 spaetz: but it is there now - it's using ophonekitd to request and release resources Feb 27 12:33:24 spaetz: i wrote it in train ;D Feb 27 12:33:27 ahh, didn't know that. You are really active with shr-settings :) Feb 27 12:33:30 David: yes I got your mail and tried to contact about it you many times on the channel these last days Feb 27 12:33:39 mrmoku: what is your dbus-glib problem ? Feb 27 12:33:46 settings are for the weak! Feb 27 12:33:53 hello all btw Feb 27 12:33:53 as I said, I think shr-settings could well handle that by setting the ResourcePolicy Feb 27 12:34:20 ptitjes: ophonekitd exits when requesting a resource twice Feb 27 12:34:31 * spaetz hits raster with illume-wrench-settings on the head Feb 27 12:34:33 arf too bad Feb 27 12:34:50 * raster slaps spaetz with a rubber chicken Feb 27 12:35:37 raster: here you are! Feb 27 12:35:53 no... i deny that! Feb 27 12:35:56 i am over there Feb 27 12:35:56 * spaetz hides raster behind the rubber chicken Feb 27 12:35:58 mrmoku: Ainulindale told what is the point of having a layer for this above the one of frameworkd but I can't remember what was the point... Feb 27 12:36:01 * raster points somewhere else Feb 27 12:36:06 mrmoku: do you know about it ? Feb 27 12:36:12 David: ping Feb 27 12:36:16 * dos1 hits raster with questions storm Feb 27 12:36:17 ;) Feb 27 12:36:17 ptitjes: no Feb 27 12:36:29 ptitjes: making it incompatible with every other distro ? :-) Feb 27 12:37:16 * spaetz would prefer if our apps ran on other FSO based distros too Feb 27 12:37:30 ptitjes: the only point I could see is to be able to do what spaetz said... request a resource in a shell script Feb 27 12:37:43 spaetz: that shouldn't be, because SHR is only meant to run above FSO Feb 27 12:37:47 though ophonekitd would have to do its own reference counting... which it does not now Feb 27 12:38:02 mrmoku: and this is a bug Feb 27 12:38:19 mrmoku: Could you add that ? Feb 27 12:38:22 ptitjes: < spaetz> mrmoku: as I see it the only advantage of ophonkitd doing a Feb 27 12:38:26 RequestResource is that I don't have to maintain the dbus while Feb 27 12:38:29 the program lasts. Feb 27 12:38:51 spaetz: oh yes maybe that was it Feb 27 12:39:01 raster: is there posibility to block screen with "simple lock" from console? Feb 27 12:39:08 ptitjes: could try that... Feb 27 12:39:09 raster: some enlightenment_remote command, etc.? Feb 27 12:39:10 no Feb 27 12:39:37 ptitjes: it would make our apps incompatible. Imagine shr-settings uses RequestResource via ophonekitd. No other FSO based distro could use shr-settings as it relies on ophonekitd Feb 27 12:39:53 (simple answer) :) Feb 27 12:39:55 (well bad example, as shr-settings relies on phonekitd in other places too) Feb 27 12:40:05 raster: ok... and another question: how to do with Illume window with alignment and size like that: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/mockup.png Feb 27 12:40:21 mrmoku: that shouldn't be too much. As I remember ophonekitd's code, this is just adding an integer variable (say gsm_request_count) and incrementing and decrementing in the adhoc callbacks Feb 27 12:40:22 raster: ? but it shouldn't be like panel - it would be over other windows Feb 27 12:40:44 ptitjes: yep Feb 27 12:40:48 dos1: basically u cant Feb 27 12:40:52 there is no way to do that Feb 27 12:41:04 illume has a simple policy Feb 27 12:41:08 either window is maximised Feb 27 12:41:18 or its at minimum hiehgt and centered if its a dialog Feb 27 12:41:23 (and maximised to width) Feb 27 12:41:30 it has special handling for kbd win Feb 27 12:41:38 and some code for qtopia softmenu which is a real hack Feb 27 12:41:41 thats it Feb 27 12:41:48 dos1: a dialog would work too, wouldn't it? Feb 27 12:41:53 not as pretty, but ok Feb 27 12:41:57 doalog would be centered and have a titlebar Feb 27 12:42:06 u are trying to mimic palm-pre ui Feb 27 12:42:14 and frankly illume has no code for that - so answer. no :) Feb 27 12:42:21 raster: i don't know palm-pre ui ;) Feb 27 12:42:42 raster: ohrly Feb 27 12:42:50 unless u've been licing under a rock Feb 27 12:42:56 u've seen it somewhere in screenshots or videos Feb 27 12:43:05 you just dont know it Feb 27 12:43:09 u may know it as webos Feb 27 12:43:58 i was only reading about WebOS, but i've never seen ui Feb 27 12:44:14 it has something much more elegant Feb 27 12:44:20 it has a notification stack at the bottom Feb 27 12:44:30 but currently i am not working on illume Feb 27 12:44:37 i will come back to it some time Feb 27 12:44:44 but i'm being paid to focus on elementary Feb 27 12:44:45 so i am Feb 27 12:47:42 i have a big list of thigns to improve in illume Feb 27 12:47:44 and fix Feb 27 12:47:50 but just not on the table atm Feb 27 12:51:58 dos1: one thing I noctices is that once a module class is loaded it never seems to get released Feb 27 12:52:25 I added some prints to the class'es __del__ methods and they were only called when I exit the shr-settings app Feb 27 12:52:56 which means if I open and close many module windows (and reopen some) we will use more and more memory Feb 27 12:53:03 spaetz: yep, i know; if you want you can fix that ;) Feb 27 12:53:14 spaetz: but do git pull before Feb 27 12:53:20 no idea how :) Feb 27 12:53:44 on destroy event of window? Feb 27 12:54:15 mmh, I tried a "del classobjectwhatever" and it still didn't get relased Feb 27 12:54:25 I assume it is still being references somewhere Feb 27 12:54:38 but I might continue to look into it when I get my FR back Feb 27 13:01:34 dos1: other thing. Do you have some timing on how long it takes to import all the modules in shr-settings? Feb 27 13:02:00 As disk IO is pretty slow on the FR it might make sense to dynamically import the modules only when we need them Feb 27 13:02:12 but I haven't measured the import time yet Feb 27 13:02:16 in git repo was some launcher with timing test Feb 27 13:02:28 mah, you are just too quick for me :) Feb 27 13:02:33 thanks, will have a look Feb 27 13:02:53 and BTW thanks for fixing my recent bug (win2/win typo) Feb 27 13:03:10 * spaetz confesses of having introduced it Feb 27 13:03:51 no problem ;) Feb 27 13:11:38 is there a program/script to read out the sms from the sim-card and save them as textfiles? Feb 27 13:14:09 Azog: if you are using FSO you can easly write it by yourself Feb 27 13:14:25 in python for instance Feb 27 13:14:27 with shr, too? Feb 27 13:14:33 Azog: yep Feb 27 13:14:36 SHR is using FSO Feb 27 13:15:13 dos1: can you give me please a hint Feb 27 13:16:18 Azog: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD Feb 27 13:16:23 org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook( s:category ) Feb 27 13:16:30 :) Feb 27 13:16:55 thanks Feb 27 13:17:31 Azog: it could be as simple as "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM. Feb 27 13:17:42 RetrieveMessage 1" Feb 27 13:18:09 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' Feb 27 13:18:10 ;) Feb 27 13:18:57 i first have to put the sim in the freerunner... Feb 27 13:27:46 ptitjes: pong Feb 27 13:29:14 Didier: pong ? Feb 27 13:30:59 yeah Feb 27 13:31:31 David: I wondered whether you had read the Gtk+ example on Vala's homepage ? Feb 27 13:33:58 hmm Feb 27 13:34:14 i think we should support *#06# command in dialer, shouldn't we? :D Feb 27 13:34:15 yes, I did. but I prefer using the Signal.connect rather than the button.clicked += b => .. syntax Feb 27 13:34:54 because I once tried to connect the "clicked" signal this way, but it didn't work Feb 27 13:36:30 actually, I was passing a callback as an argument to a class instanciation and the connection (using the += lambdaFunc syntax) didn't compile Feb 27 13:37:40 ("wrong syntax", or sth like that. If I have did so, but directly using the function's name, it would have worked) Feb 27 13:42:33 David: would you like we meet this week ? to talk about this and that ? Feb 27 13:43:19 why not :) Feb 27 13:43:23 today ? Feb 27 13:43:36 j'ai une pause dans un cours super chiant lÃ , je me barre Feb 27 13:43:43 brb Feb 27 13:44:30 * mrmoku wonders if Deubeuliou should take his courses more seriously ;) Feb 27 13:45:27 mrmoku: did you understand what david said ?? Feb 27 13:45:29 :p Feb 27 13:45:50 David: where do you study ? Feb 27 13:45:59 guess not ;) something about a pause in a mega big course... ??? Feb 27 13:46:28 though I'm missing the meaning of barre.... Feb 27 13:46:45 yeah! kind of... a pause a super annoying course :) Feb 27 13:47:05 hehe and me thought chiant --> giant :P Feb 27 13:47:05 je me barre = I'm going off from it Feb 27 13:47:23 so... my coment was justified ;) Feb 27 13:47:27 +m Feb 27 13:47:30 yeah :D Feb 27 13:49:00 mrmoku, : does the latest image work? Feb 27 13:49:24 personally I did not try it yet... did not hear otherwise though Feb 27 13:49:29 i flashed http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090226-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Feb 27 13:49:39 does dos1's image not work? Feb 27 13:49:40 and i get no terminal, shr settings doesn't launch... Feb 27 13:49:44 nope Feb 27 13:49:45 oh! Zorkman! what a masty question!! would you doubt of it working ? Feb 27 13:49:47 :D Feb 27 13:49:55 it boots, but that's about all it does here :) Feb 27 13:49:55 ough Feb 27 13:50:03 arf Feb 27 13:50:06 well... complain to dos1 then ;) Feb 27 13:50:17 packages from my repo works ok :D Feb 27 13:50:24 wow, I even get something entirely new and funky Feb 27 13:50:48 but i didn't tested my images at all... ;] Feb 27 13:50:53 np Feb 27 13:50:57 David: Are you still there ? Feb 27 13:51:17 Zorkman: what does shr-settings say when you're running it from console? Feb 27 13:51:30 in ssh session try DISPLAY=:0 shr-settings Feb 27 13:51:40 i'll try the one from build.shr-project.org then Feb 27 13:51:43 * mrmoku wonders if Deubeuliou took my comment seriously and is attending the course now :-) Feb 27 13:51:53 hÃ©hÃ©hÃ© :D Feb 27 13:52:06 Zorkman: but before that check, what error is it returning Feb 27 13:53:13 s/that check, what/that, check what/ Feb 27 13:53:14 dos1 meant: Zorkman: but before that, check what error is it returning Feb 27 13:53:15 dos1, ok i will Feb 27 13:53:41 it should work, but i didn't tested it so it is only my speculation ;) Feb 27 13:54:39 grrr, i was sshd in and then the terminal just freezed and can't reconnect to it.... Feb 27 13:54:43 will try a reboot Feb 27 13:59:43 re Feb 27 14:00:03 actually, the course was boring and useless Feb 27 14:00:13 so David where are you studying ? Feb 27 14:00:16 (yes, it was giant, but that's not the point :p) Feb 27 14:00:28 ISEP Feb 27 14:00:35 near Montparnasse Feb 27 14:00:48 what's that acronym for ? Feb 27 14:01:00 and where do you live ? Feb 27 14:02:37 (Institut SupÃ©rieur d'Ã‰lectronique de Paris) Feb 27 14:02:49 nice Feb 27 14:02:52 east from Paris (in the 93) Feb 27 14:03:30 (hey, I'm playing with the multimedia box I told you. that's fun.) Feb 27 14:03:35 Montreuil or further ? Feb 27 14:03:35 dos1, i rebooted and trying to ssh in i get ssh root@192.168.0.202 Feb 27 14:03:45 http://www.t0ny.net/harrytsai/index.php?sid=45769&lang=en Feb 27 14:03:45 doing exactly the same as i did before the reboot... Feb 27 14:03:54 Give Harry a hand.... Feb 27 14:04:30 a little further Feb 27 14:04:47 So maybe it would be bettre we meet next week... Feb 27 14:04:59 you live in Montreuil ? I live in Villemomble Feb 27 14:05:28 No I live in Villeneuve-la-Garenne betwen Saint-Denis and Gennevilliers Feb 27 14:06:50 ok Feb 27 14:07:03 dos1, : http://pastebin.com/md472ae1 Feb 27 14:07:52 DocScrutinizer: Have you ever heard that having SIM in affected GSM flashing? Feb 27 14:08:00 On FSO does running opkg upgrade keep me up to date, or do i have to re-flash to have the newest and "best" of everything? Feb 27 14:08:09 Zorkman: hmm, dependency... ok, will fix it Feb 27 14:09:39 do you want me do do other tests? Feb 27 14:11:11 Zorkman: opkg list_installed | grep python Feb 27 14:11:16 k Feb 27 14:11:53 grrrr Feb 27 14:11:56 the terminal froze once again Feb 27 14:12:26 Zorkman: screen is working? Feb 27 14:13:04 Zorkman: autosuspending? Feb 27 14:13:07 i disconnected the usb plug, then replugged it, did a ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 and thensshd in and it did respond this time Feb 27 14:13:23 entered the blank password and now it just hangs there... Feb 27 14:13:29 no, it's not suspending... Feb 27 14:13:34 it's just being weird :) Feb 27 14:14:03 did ctrl-c, can't ssh in again... (maybe it's my pc, just upgraded to f10 a few days ago....) Feb 27 14:14:31 Zorkman: ahh... using NetworkManager? Feb 27 14:14:34 nope Feb 27 14:14:38 only console Feb 27 14:14:40 now i'm in Feb 27 14:14:58 but is NetworkManager started? Because if it is started it will decide to shut down usb after a while Feb 27 14:15:01 had that too :-) Feb 27 14:15:12 oh Feb 27 14:15:28 either use it or don't start it :P Feb 27 14:15:32 dos1, http://pastebin.com/d47425c72 Feb 27 14:15:49 * mrmoku recommends to use it though... got really nice and usable Feb 27 14:16:14 * Zorkman will have to look into how to use it then :) Feb 27 14:17:26 if you're encountering problems... feel free to ask Feb 27 14:23:16 Zorkman: ok, shr-settings should depend on python-shell... but... you should have it, as python-pygtk and frameworkd depend on it... :/ Feb 27 14:25:52 mrmoku, i added usb0 to my network configuration in devices, but it is stated as inactive Feb 27 14:26:15 Zorkman: will be enabled if you connect your FR Feb 27 14:26:22 then you can activate it Feb 27 14:26:39 how do i activate it? Feb 27 14:26:48 i already connected (and dis -and reconnect the fr) Feb 27 14:26:53 Zorkman: cat /var/log/frameworkd.conf Feb 27 14:27:04 left click on the network icon and enable it Feb 27 14:27:23 if you don't have the network icon start nm-applet Feb 27 14:27:42 the network icon is that thingy left of my username on the top of f10? Feb 27 14:27:44 if nm-applet is started and you have no icon... start NetworkManger :-) Feb 27 14:27:50 mrmoku: did you manage to run nm on the fr too ? Feb 27 14:27:58 are you using gnome or kde? Feb 27 14:27:59 ptitjes: no Feb 27 14:28:06 grome Feb 27 14:28:08 grome Feb 27 14:28:10 gn Feb 27 14:28:46 using kde here.. right click and Info should tell you what it is :P Feb 27 14:28:56 dos1, : there is not frameworkd.conf Feb 27 14:29:07 only lastlog ophonekitd.log wtmp Feb 27 14:29:19 conf or log? Feb 27 14:29:41 what do you mean? Feb 27 14:29:54 you said frameworkd.conf but are talking about logs Feb 27 14:30:10 Zorkman, mrmoku: yep, my fault; of course frameworkd.log Feb 27 14:30:21 Zorkman: try to run frameworkd Feb 27 14:30:24 if there is no frameworkd.log... might be it is logging to syslog Feb 27 14:30:41 root@om-gta02 /var/volatile/log $ ls Feb 27 14:30:41 lastlog ophonekitd.log wtmp Feb 27 14:31:01 try logread and see if frameworkd messages are there Feb 27 14:31:15 mrmoku: no, i think he doesn't have frameworkd installed, as he doesn't have python-shell, which is depended by frameworkd package Feb 27 14:31:32 ahh, ok :-) different story then Feb 27 14:31:46 logread |grep frameworkd doesn't return anything Feb 27 14:32:19 Zorkman: run /usr/bin/frameworkd Feb 27 14:32:48 /usr/bin/frameworkd: not found Feb 27 14:33:07 yep, as i supposed Feb 27 14:33:08 but why? :X Feb 27 14:33:35 it's image builded by Makefile Feb 27 14:34:05 i didn't mess anything with frameworkd Feb 27 14:34:22 only libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, but i fixed that :x Feb 27 14:34:42 mrmoku, : you did only build the light image? Feb 27 14:35:08 yep... can build the fat image too... should not take long, because the packages are all built Feb 27 14:35:17 would be appreciated Feb 27 14:35:32 (in the mean time, if you want me to wait with flashing dos1 : no problem, just tell me what to do :)) Feb 27 14:36:00 * mrmoku started the build Feb 27 14:36:33 ok, i've just commited last patches to shr-settings which i would see in new testing :) Feb 27 14:54:05 vmware on a nokia: windows mobile and android http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ Feb 27 14:54:58 could be used for running shr also i think, Windows CE 5.0 en 6.0, Linux 2.6.x, Symbian 9.x, eCos, ÂµITRON NORTi en ÂµC/OS-II are supported Feb 27 14:59:37 Zorkman: image is built Feb 27 15:00:14 yeah i just downloaded it one sec ago Feb 27 15:00:32 dos1, you want me to do any additional test? Feb 27 15:01:26 btw dos1 : i opkg installed frameworkd and now shr settings loads, but when i click internet i do not get the toggle to enable it Feb 27 15:01:45 will try a reboot to see if that fixes it, but i think i will reboot Feb 27 15:03:05 installing vala-terminal also works, but the text/icon before the last one (right of => and left of the refresh button) is displayed as a serie of squares) Feb 27 15:21:01 * Zorkman is flashing it like it's hot Feb 27 15:26:37 mrmoku: ahh it is networkmanager that decides to kill off usb0 from time to time? Feb 27 15:26:40 interesting Feb 27 15:26:52 I attributed it to FR flakiness Feb 27 15:27:13 well you have to either use NetworkManger or old network service on Fedora... Feb 27 15:27:44 * mwester disabled networkmangler on his Fedora system Feb 27 15:27:44 if you plugin the FR and manually give it an IP... after a while NetworkManager removes the IP :-) Feb 27 15:28:13 * mrmoku loves when it mangles my network Feb 27 15:28:22 * dos1 don't have NetworkManager installed on his Debian Feb 27 15:28:30 I hate it when software tries to be smarter than I, and fails. I proves that the software must be very stupid indeed. Feb 27 15:28:34 s/don't/doesn't/ Feb 27 15:28:44 s/I pro/It pro Feb 27 15:29:02 sigh. :) silly bot. Feb 27 15:29:24 test Feb 27 15:29:28 s/est/ost/ Feb 27 15:29:29 dos1 meant: tost Feb 27 15:29:31 ;] Feb 27 15:31:21 well... in the begining NetworkManager was stupid... yeah. but now I really enjoy it Feb 27 15:32:53 mrmoku: I find the lack of configuration tools for it to be very disturbing. Apparently I am not permitted to tell it what to do, rather the software developers of NetworkMangler feel they know my networking needs better than I. Feb 27 15:33:18 It reminds me of the Windows thinking. Feb 27 15:33:34 :-) what configuration are you missing? Feb 27 15:35:23 The most basic missing one is to be able to bring up the USB0 device without regard to the mac address being presented. Feb 27 15:35:51 ifconfig does it, the fact that NetworkMangler can't indicates that it was deliberately coded to be "smarter than I" Feb 27 15:36:06 yep, this one I have to admit :( Feb 27 15:36:14 But in my case, I want to ifconfig USB0 with a specific IP. What could be more simple? Feb 27 15:37:29 And another big complaint is a very basic one that many of the Windows versions of network management software support -- I wish to tell it that when it connects to a network on eth0 on my laptop, it should not attempt to connect via wifi. Feb 27 15:37:53 Instead, I must manually do that if I don't want to get two IPs on the same network, with all the resulting confusion. Feb 27 15:38:48 Very common situation, esp. with docking stations -- I cannot understand why NetworkMangler does not at least have hooks to permit me to run scripts pre and post ifup and ifdown, where I might be able to do this myself. Feb 27 15:39:20 Hence my conclusion -- the designers once again decided that they know better than I, and deliberately removed functionality that is offered by ifup and ifdown. Feb 27 15:41:38 mwester: hmm.. .just retried that usb0 thing... created http://pastebin.com/d5f0bdce0 Feb 27 15:41:48 and on plugging the FR into usb it comes up Feb 27 15:42:20 reboot FR and try again. Feb 27 15:42:50 * mrmoku reboots Feb 27 15:45:19 http://www.t0ny.net/harrytsai/index.php?sid=45769&lang=en help Harry to fill this survey, Thank you very very much!! :) Feb 27 15:47:04 mwester: worked... I'm sure I was experiencing the problem you described... looks like it got fixed Feb 27 15:47:22 Which fedora version? Feb 27 15:47:29 10 Feb 27 15:47:47 * mwester has 9 installed on his desktop system to which the FR gets connected. Feb 27 15:48:11 * mrmoku wonders if mwester when mwester will update :P Feb 27 15:48:47 mrmoku, : just flashed your image, and when loading the internet tab of shr-settings i get: can't connect to dbus Feb 27 15:48:51 will reboot first and try again Feb 27 15:48:52 s/if mwester// Feb 27 15:49:02 * mwester skips every other release on a given system, but has several Linux servers -- so at any time he has as many as the last three Fedora releases running. :) Feb 27 15:49:20 So that laptop will go to Fedora 11 Feb 27 15:49:35 * mrmoku startet to install CentOS on servers to not have to update them sooo often Feb 27 15:49:40 -t+d Feb 27 15:49:41 grrr Feb 27 15:49:46 The Openmoko build server in the basement is already at Fedora 10. Feb 27 15:50:22 I have a few CentOS VMs running here, but it was so painful to get them to build OE/OM that I prefer to start with Fedora 10. Feb 27 15:50:44 why not Debian? :D Feb 27 15:51:11 dos1: well.... why Debian? :P Feb 27 15:51:12 (The wife has a 4GB quad-core system for her digital photography that is often idle, she doesn't notice a couple of VMs running on it to do OE/OM builds! :D ) Feb 27 15:51:41 :-) Feb 27 15:52:05 * mrmoku wonders when his wife will start some digital photography stuff and get a quad system Feb 27 15:52:14 mwester: why VMs? I thought OE works on any distro out there, and probably on *BSD too? Feb 27 15:52:20 mrmoku: setting up debian is very nice Feb 27 15:52:32 dos1: installing Fedora is very easy Feb 27 15:52:47 PaulFertser: because Windows is a viable operating system for some people! Feb 27 15:53:22 mrmoku: but "***mrmoku startet to install CentOS on servers to not have to update them sooo often" Feb 27 15:53:42 Oh, couldn't have thought of that one. Feb 27 15:54:10 i think debian is better to not have to update so often ;] Feb 27 15:54:27 well CentOS is Fedora in the end... just longer lifecycle Feb 27 15:55:25 and more stable. Feb 27 15:56:13