**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 02:59:57 2009 Mar 07 05:58:46 thanks billk Mar 07 06:46:03 Dave ! Mar 07 06:46:12 :D Mar 07 06:48:44 isn't it strange how traffic dies to absolute zero on Fri night CET Mar 07 06:49:18 almost as if folks have real lives... unlike me. :p Mar 07 06:50:00 :) Mar 07 06:50:09 and me :D / ;( Mar 07 06:50:50 No you just have a strange clock -- it doesn't seem to be aligned with standard daytimes! :D Mar 07 06:51:11 that's freaking true Mar 07 06:51:35 Somewhere there's a timezone that matches! Mar 07 06:51:54 maybe a planet :P Mar 07 06:52:13 my day is sth like 28h Mar 07 06:52:28 where are u from guys? Mar 07 06:52:32 You're from the distant future, when earth's rotation has slowed. Mar 07 06:52:50 with a 30h off every 8 cycles Mar 07 06:53:02 me is from CST Mar 07 06:53:08 hard to find a matching planet Mar 07 06:53:26 That's an irregular orbit/rotation Mar 07 06:54:00 maybe a big moon on close orbit in plane with central star Mar 07 06:54:57 CET here Mar 07 06:56:00 mwester: I always fight for much more tide driven powerplants ;-) Mar 07 06:56:35 :) Mar 07 06:57:01 Anyway, it's time I got some sleep, so I can go do some useful work in the morning. later! Mar 07 06:57:09 me too CET Mar 07 06:57:45 mwester: enjoy your snooze :) Mar 07 07:31:09 That's follow_nick and it will change your nick upon your request. But if i set ignore_first_nick, it will ignore the first request from the client upon connection. Are you ok with me to try it now? Mar 07 07:31:48 (i should give up typing before fully awake) Mar 07 09:15:06 PaulFertser: talking about bip... how do I correctly use irssi away with bip? Mar 07 09:36:44 <|Leto|> i want to create my own packages for shr-testing Mar 07 09:37:00 <|Leto|> but "make image" as described in the wiki failed Mar 07 09:37:07 <|Leto|> cause mofi misses some deps Mar 07 09:37:17 <|Leto|> is it possible to just create the toolchain somehow? Mar 07 09:37:38 <|Leto|> and from there onwards build one's own ipk's? Mar 07 09:42:40 |Leto|: it seems to me that both are possible Mar 07 09:43:39 you should provide some more complete information for the "as described in the wiki failed"... Mar 07 09:43:49 <|Leto|> aye aye Mar 07 09:43:50 <|Leto|> just a sec Mar 07 09:44:16 As for creating the toolchain, do 'bitbake devshell' Mar 07 09:44:44 <|Leto|> in which directory? Mar 07 09:44:55 <|Leto|> and where can iread up about creating ipks? Mar 07 09:45:27 <|Leto|> http://dpaste.com/8609/ Mar 07 09:45:50 <|Leto|> ^ dependency error when executing "make image" Mar 07 09:46:17 then you'll have a shell script generated in the tmp/deploy/glibc/addons/ directory Mar 07 09:46:45 |Leto|: "in which directory ?" the one you are building your image in... Mar 07 09:47:03 <|Leto|> ah, k Mar 07 09:47:14 I can't point you to specific link but google is your friend here :) Mar 07 09:47:33 in the openmoko wiki ? Mar 07 09:47:41 in the bitbake documentation ? Mar 07 09:49:23 <|Leto|> looking already Mar 07 09:49:30 |Leto|: I think the error in your pastebin is quite explicit. I can't tell your more but you should track down the problem to the python-wifi recipe ? Mar 07 09:49:43 <|Leto|> yes Mar 07 09:49:51 <|Leto|> been doing so, too Mar 07 09:50:17 <|Leto|> just thought it might be something "very-easy-to-fix-for-the-experienced-dev" Mar 07 09:55:49 shr-testing.. Maybe need to update a DEPENDS or someting to get it to use the other wifi. ERROR: '['/home/johan/dev/openmoko/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/packages/mofi/mofi_0.02.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'python-wifi' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables Mar 07 10:03:33 <|Leto|> TeLLuS, was that in reply do me? Mar 07 10:03:36 <|Leto|> *to Mar 07 10:15:23 Just the same error, I don't know how to go back i revisions in git yet to undelete that python-wifi dir Mar 07 10:19:46 <|Leto|> TeLLuS, funny thing is, i have the python-wifi dir Mar 07 10:20:52 TeLLuS, |Leto|: give me a minute... Mar 07 10:23:41 ok... make update-shr and try again... should work now Mar 07 10:24:38 <|Leto|> hmm Mar 07 10:24:39 <|Leto|> running now Mar 07 10:25:07 spaetz: it made a difference ;D Mar 07 10:25:11 <|Leto|> what means "ERROR: Please set the 'PERSISTENT_DIR' or 'CACHE' variable." when i run "sh ./setup-env" and then "bitbake -c somepackage" Mar 07 10:26:31 ssomething wrong with your site.conf Mar 07 10:27:05 ehh.. bitbake -c clean somepackage you mean? Mar 07 10:27:55 |Leto|: have you got conf/topdir.conf? Mar 07 10:27:57 <|Leto|> actually i meant "compile" Mar 07 10:28:05 <|Leto|> just checking site.conf Mar 07 10:28:06 <|Leto|> sec Mar 07 10:28:26 <|Leto|> yes, i do have Mar 07 10:28:29 <|Leto|> topdir.conf Mar 07 10:28:31 site.conf defines CACHE... and depends on topdir.conf Mar 07 10:29:42 <|Leto|> hmmm Mar 07 10:30:00 <|Leto|> http://dpaste.com/8637/ Mar 07 10:30:05 <|Leto|> that's weird Mar 07 10:30:13 <|Leto|> there's ${TOPDIR} all over Mar 07 10:30:21 <|Leto|> just cache needs ${TMPDIR} Mar 07 10:30:27 <|Leto|> might that be the problem? Mar 07 10:30:51 no... TMPDIR is TOPDIR/tmp Mar 07 10:30:52 <|Leto|> topdir.conf only defines ${TOPDIR} Mar 07 10:31:05 <|Leto|> grml Mar 07 10:31:12 <|Leto|> head -> table Mar 07 10:31:15 <|Leto|> of course! Mar 07 10:31:28 :-) Mar 07 10:33:10 <|Leto|> ok Mar 07 10:33:14 |Leto|: topdir contains the _full_ path ? Mar 07 10:33:25 <|Leto|> yes Mar 07 10:33:45 <|Leto|> the full path to SHR/shr-testing Mar 07 10:33:56 <|Leto|> TOPDIR='/home/tboy/dev/SHR/shr-testing' Mar 07 10:34:59 hmm... that is correct.. oh wait... sh ./setup-env is wrong Mar 07 10:35:04 just . setup-env Mar 07 10:35:42 <|Leto|> does it hurt to do something there while "make image" is runnign? Mar 07 10:36:05 hehe.. good question... depends on what you're doing ;) Mar 07 10:36:18 <|Leto|> :-D Mar 07 10:36:29 <|Leto|> bitbake -c compile somepackage Mar 07 10:36:52 <|Leto|> (btw, that creates the necessary ipk for installation, right? Mar 07 10:37:20 <|Leto|> ) Mar 07 10:37:56 no... without -c compile it would Mar 07 10:39:47 <|Leto|> ahh, ok Mar 07 10:40:54 <|Leto|> ah Mar 07 10:41:00 <|Leto|> since you're a dev ... Mar 07 10:41:02 <|Leto|> :-D Mar 07 10:42:09 * mrmoku` feels more like an infrastructure monkey :P Mar 07 10:42:22 <|Leto|> well Mar 07 10:42:37 <|Leto|> the only reason i set this up was to get a running copy of navit again Mar 07 10:43:05 <|Leto|> basically i have this very same error: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2430332 Mar 07 10:44:45 <|Leto|> if you tell me to try to fix it myself i will tinker around with bitbake and the likes Mar 07 10:45:12 <|Leto|> but if you have any ideas on how to fix for downloaders - i guess that would be even better :-D Mar 07 10:45:40 yeah... if that is a problem with our package we have to fix it Mar 07 10:46:17 <|Leto|> i just found it funny cause the reporter beat me to it by one hour - and yet it came up in google Mar 07 10:46:21 <|Leto|> quite impressive Mar 07 10:47:09 hehhe... google is.... hmm... impressive... and dangerous ;) Mar 07 10:47:39 <|Leto|> hah! Mar 07 10:47:42 <|Leto|> indeed! Mar 07 10:49:39 <|Leto|> hummmm Mar 07 10:49:45 <|Leto|> libsdl-native fails Mar 07 11:04:13 <|Leto|> sheeeesh Mar 07 11:04:22 <|Leto|> config.log exits with 0 Mar 07 11:04:31 <|Leto|> but no build.log to be found Mar 07 11:04:35 <|Leto|> now that's annoying Mar 07 11:24:22 <|Leto|> libtool: link: `build/SDL_yuv_sw.lo' is not a valid libtool object Mar 07 11:24:25 <|Leto|> ok Mar 07 11:24:31 <|Leto|> and now how to fix it :] Mar 07 11:34:21 <|Leto|> sheeesh Mar 07 11:42:13 morning Mar 07 11:46:58 would anyone else but me being interested in wrapping EFL w/ vala? Mar 07 11:47:06 if so, we should launch something like that Mar 07 11:47:44 mickey|ICE595: EFL with vala should be great stuff Mar 07 11:48:10 I am very interessted Mar 07 11:48:25 awesome, i need some company on such a project Mar 07 11:48:26 until python is not as fast as possible to write applications Mar 07 11:48:32 yep Mar 07 11:48:36 mickey|ICE595: if i will learn vala, i would be interested in EFL ;) Mar 07 11:48:51 i desperately want to do some light GUI work again Mar 07 11:48:58 I don't have much experience with vala, only taken a short look Mar 07 11:49:04 you'll love it Mar 07 11:49:08 :) Mar 07 11:49:08 it's like a mixture of Python and C# Mar 07 11:49:26 with the speed of C Mar 07 11:49:29 :D Mar 07 11:49:31 *nod* Mar 07 11:49:41 i'm on vacation for one week, so i'll take the chance to think about this project and come up with an announcement when I'm back Mar 07 11:49:59 ok, tell me when you started the project and need help Mar 07 11:50:09 great, will do Mar 07 11:50:34 great Mar 07 11:50:56 is there easy way to compile vala programs on freerunner? :D Mar 07 11:51:19 i love to write some apps on FR (in train, waiting for dentist ;D) Mar 07 11:51:33 now i'm writing in that way in python (shr-settings) Mar 07 11:51:44 (last GUI change was from dentist :DD) Mar 07 11:51:51 hehe Mar 07 11:55:33 well Mar 07 11:55:33 the problem is you need a c compiler Mar 07 11:55:33 valac works fine on the Neo Mar 07 11:55:34 but it calls gcc Mar 07 11:55:36 so you need a full toolchain Mar 07 11:55:40 (no problem if boot from SD) Mar 07 11:56:49 is it enough to tell valac with --cc to use another compiler? Mar 07 11:57:35 do you have something better than gcc? Mar 07 11:57:48 morphis: on shr-unstable with latest EFLSRC_REV: ImportError: cannot import name Frame Mar 07 11:58:43 mickey|ICE595: If I have no symlink for arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc Mar 07 11:58:53 dos1: which rev of python-elementary do you use? Mar 07 11:59:33 morphis: python-elementary - 0.1+svnr39379-ml0 - Mar 07 12:00:21 morphis: ah right, in that case try -cc Mar 07 12:00:35 mickey|ICE595: ok Mar 07 12:00:50 ls -la Mar 07 12:00:50 oops Mar 07 12:00:55 dos1: I am recompiling elementary ... wait a moment Mar 07 12:01:27 morphis: libelementary0 - 2:0.0.0+svnr39392-r3 Mar 07 12:04:04 dos1: I forgot to include the file for elementary.Frame .... Mar 07 12:06:34 does anyone know which Vala 'vala' refers to? Mar 07 12:06:43 (as in origin of the name for the language) Mar 07 12:07:18 dos1: try rev 39406 Mar 07 12:07:43 ok, will try Mar 07 12:08:00 mickey|ICE595: dont know Mar 07 12:14:33 dos1: does it work? Mar 07 12:15:12 morphis: package has just built, wait a second :) Mar 07 12:15:18 ah ok :) Mar 07 12:17:31 mickey|ICE595, is there a reason why not to use fso stable? Mar 07 12:17:36 hello Mar 07 12:17:42 I mean, I do care about packages, though I don't care about cutting edge Mar 07 12:17:57 I need fso-console for a project I'm doing ;] Mar 07 12:18:21 i want to use an gta01 battery in my gta02 , but it will not charged . any ideas ? Mar 07 12:21:21 TAsn: well, we fixed a few bugs after ms5.1, but then again probably added some new ones ;) Mar 07 12:21:23 ms5.1 should be reasonably stable Mar 07 12:31:26 TAsn: then ms5.1 should be ok Mar 07 12:31:45 pwgen_8: it will be charged, it will just not display as being charged Mar 07 12:32:22 mickey|ICE595, I won't be missing anything, right? Mar 07 12:33:06 morphis: yes, it works Mar 07 12:33:10 thanks ;) Mar 07 12:33:52 : then hopefully the same for nokia bl-5C battery .. Mar 07 12:34:13 dos1: no problem Mar 07 12:34:30 TAsn: probably not. there's just no UI stuff in there Mar 07 12:34:53 mickey|ICE595, yeah, that's why I picked that one ;] Mar 07 12:35:02 I don't need a ui Mar 07 12:35:05 I need battery life. Mar 07 12:35:46 TAsn: yea .. thats what i am missing for gta01/gta02 .. Mar 07 12:36:14 well, i'm comfortable with 70h standby Mar 07 12:36:22 pwgen, ;] Mar 07 12:36:24 many other phones have less Mar 07 12:36:29 mickey|ICE595, I'm as well. Mar 07 12:36:46 I use shr as a daily phone, and it's great. Mar 07 12:36:55 glad to hear Mar 07 12:37:02 ya, shr is going the right way Mar 07 12:37:05 how can i adjust the battery applet , i will never display a full battery , Mar 07 12:37:55 you can't Mar 07 12:38:02 there's no driver support for TH batteries in gta02 Mar 07 12:38:03 so, byebye everybody Mar 07 12:38:09 hence userland can't do anything Mar 07 12:38:11 cu morphis Mar 07 12:38:11 mickey|ICE595: do you know if it's possible to charge gta02 battery in gta01? Mar 07 12:38:28 RedDog: read a couple of lines before Mar 07 12:38:34 ah wait Mar 07 12:38:38 vice versa Mar 07 12:38:44 that's a good question Mar 07 12:38:46 i never tried doing that Mar 07 12:39:00 but since dumb chargers charge a gta02 battery as well i would think it works Mar 07 12:39:29 because my battery is puffy ... Mar 07 12:39:48 what kind of battery life should i get with shr testing btw? Mar 07 12:39:49 but i can't read the temp from gta02 battery using gta01? Mar 07 12:46:55 there's no way to talk to the HQD battery on 01 Mar 07 12:49:21 So i might get some problems loosing the TH port on Gta01? Mar 07 12:58:55 mickey|ICE595: can you take a look at this traceback: http://pastebin.com/m6a11dab2 ? Mar 07 13:17:58 gta02 bat on gta01 might trigger temp-control cutout. 02bat is missing the NTC (or PTC) to probe temp, and 50606 is wired to check for this. Depends on 50606 reg settings I suppose Mar 07 13:28:37 DocScrutinizer, I'm lost. ;[ I can't get recording to work Mar 07 13:28:41 no matter what I do. Mar 07 13:29:10 TAsn: are you basing your state file on voip.state? Mar 07 13:29:23 PaulFert`, I wish I got to this point Mar 07 13:29:29 I can't even record from that. Mar 07 13:29:45 TAsn: hm, can't record from internal mic with voip.state? Mar 07 13:29:57 ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:805:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream Mar 07 13:31:08 TAsn: and the arecord command you're using is? Mar 07 13:31:29 DocScrutinizer: then maybe it's not a good idea to use the gta02 bat as gta01 bat replacement... Mar 07 13:31:36 PaulFert`, I tried a bunch Mar 07 13:31:48 starting from a blank arecord Mar 07 13:31:59 to a lot of stuff I found in the ML Mar 07 13:32:13 tried adding the -D hw:0.0 Mar 07 13:32:16 still, nada. Mar 07 13:32:31 TAsn: arecord -D hw:0,0 Mar 07 13:32:34 I'm on fso-console atm, though I have tried it on shr as well. Mar 07 13:32:38 sec. Mar 07 13:33:04 omg. Mar 07 13:33:07 ;] Mar 07 13:33:18 Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono Mar 07 13:33:18 arecord: set_params:901: Sample format non available Mar 07 13:33:20 progress! Mar 07 13:33:21 thanks. Mar 07 13:34:01 TAsn: switch to voip.state before starting arecord. And add -f S16_LE for the sample format thing. Mar 07 13:35:21 Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono Mar 07 13:35:21 arecord: set_params:906: Channels count non available Mar 07 13:35:23 adding -c 1 Mar 07 13:35:26 does nothing. Mar 07 13:35:26 ;\ Mar 07 13:35:45 TAsn: add -c 2 then ;) Mar 07 13:36:11 lol? ;] Mar 07 13:36:14 it works. ;] Mar 07 13:36:21 man, THANKS!!! Mar 07 13:36:28 how come there are two channels? Mar 07 13:37:47 TAsn: I don't know why but it works with stereo :) Now you can go back to the audio wiki page and look at the diagrams to route incoming GSM signal to the ADC. Don't be shy to ask if you have any questions ;) Mar 07 13:38:30 PaulFert`, thanks a lot. Mar 07 13:38:38 I actually did an all nighter trying to figure this out. Mar 07 13:38:45 Hifi ADC in 8753 *is* stereo Mar 07 13:38:46 ;] Mar 07 13:39:06 DocScrutinizer, but where does it get it's audio in stereo from? Mar 07 13:39:23 depends on mux settings Mar 07 13:39:37 that's your next step ;-) Mar 07 13:43:09 ;] Mar 07 13:43:52 TAsn: to record GSM I suggest to start with a gsmhandset.state. Make a diff to voip.state and copy the settings from voip to gsmhandset after checking each if it matches what you would expect for right mux, left mux etc Mar 07 13:44:30 well you can't exactly copy, you need to setup some slightly different routing Mar 07 13:44:38 DocScrutinizer, thanks, I'm still playing with something else after this great discovery ;] Mar 07 13:44:49 ok ;-) Mar 07 13:45:12 bbl... breakfast now. for real Mar 07 13:46:31 TAsn: btw, there's another possibility: you can take the bluetooth headset file prepared for FSO recently and just switch DAI mode to "10". You won't be able to talk via the mic, but you'll be able to easily record the other side. Mar 07 13:47:03 PaulFert`, that's all I need ;] Mar 07 13:47:12 I don't mind talking into the mic Mar 07 13:47:29 I want to be able to playback music to the gsm call, though even that's not highly important. Mar 07 13:49:08 TAsn: but watch for the bug with Capture Left Mixer - Capture Right Mixer. After touching Capture Right Mixer (and loading alsa state does that) you must set Capture Left Mixer again. Otherwise with the correct DAI setting bt headset file will do all you need (record the other side, and with some small effort playback audio to the other side). Mar 07 13:49:33 s/Otherwise/Other than that/ Mar 07 13:49:33 PaulFert` meant: TAsn: but watch for the bug with Capture Left Mixer - Capture Right Mixer. After touching Capture Right Mixer (and loading alsa state does that) you must set Capture Left Mixer again. Other than that with the correct DAI setting bt headset file will do al... Mar 07 13:49:41 cool. Mar 07 14:12:07 what could be the reason making bitbake generating only dbg and dev packages for a certain recipe? (not a regular ipk) Mar 07 14:28:50 hi, I have a problem with shr. In the settings' app the "mass storage" usb option doesn't run correctly... anyone could help me please? Mar 07 14:29:28 sylar91: "mass storage" and "ethernet" in shr-settings now don't work Mar 07 14:29:55 i forgot to remove it for shr-testing release :x Mar 07 14:30:21 sylar91: i mean - that toggle isn't programmed ;) it's only non-functional GUI element Mar 07 14:30:24 dos1: doh... and isn't it possible to activate it ? Mar 07 14:30:41 so is there anywhere the code? Mar 07 14:30:57 sylar91: code for changing "mass storage" and "ethernet"? no Mar 07 14:31:04 that's why it doesn't work :P Mar 07 14:31:23 mm ok Mar 07 14:36:47 I saw that shr unstable is now aviable and I tought that maybe my calculator (better than the default one in gtk) and screenlocker could be useful to be integrated by default in shr unstable Mar 07 14:37:16 dos1 :P Mar 07 14:37:20 Back for more, eh? Mar 07 14:37:42 Dave: ? Mar 07 14:39:16 progress? Mar 07 14:40:56 mrmoku! Mar 07 14:45:23 * mrmoku has a body full of pain and a free mind now :P Mar 07 14:46:52 mrmoku: I saw that shr unstable is now aviable and I tought that maybe my calculator (better than the default one in gtk) and screenlocker could be useful to be integrated by default in shr unstable Mar 07 14:47:29 sylar91: where are they? Mar 07 14:48:53 mrmoku: here you can found some unupdated versions -> http://code.google.com/p/sylar-stuff/downloads/list (I have to build the ipk for new versions I have made) Mar 07 14:51:23 mrmoku: http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/ecalc_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk Mar 07 14:52:22 sylar91: well... I'm interested in source code and bb files ;) Mar 07 14:53:03 :) Mar 07 14:53:04 the source code is included in the ipk but if you want I can send you the last code with some bugfix Mar 07 14:53:17 now I'm looking for how to create bb files Mar 07 14:55:37 sylar91: well... if you want them in SHR we need a .bb recipe and some place to get the source from Mar 07 14:56:02 ok Mar 07 14:56:17 mrmoku: have you tried ecalc and the screenlocker? Mar 07 14:57:30 I wonder, is there a text based gsm registerer ? ;] i.e zhone in text? Mar 07 14:57:33 sylar91: no... my FR is downstairs :P Mar 07 14:57:33 this is ecalc-> http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/ecalc1.png http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/ecalc2.png Mar 07 14:57:39 ah ok Mar 07 14:57:59 and this is the screenlocker -> http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/ecalc2.png http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_android_like_v0.3.0_2.png Mar 07 14:58:13 screenies look nice though... definitely more appealing than the gtk one :D Mar 07 14:58:27 :) Mar 07 14:59:18 and this is another screenlocker that I'm developing-> http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_android_like_v0.3.0_2.png http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_android_like_v0.3.0_2.png Mar 07 14:59:36 (it supports plugins for the central content that could be switched clicking in the middle) Mar 07 15:05:23 sylar91: ?? (all the same links) ?? Mar 07 15:06:05 sylar91: yes, you sended us only three screens :P Mar 07 15:06:06 looooooooool sorry Mar 07 15:06:59 http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_android_like_v0.3.0_2.png Mar 07 15:07:01 http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_android_like_v0.3.0.png Mar 07 15:07:10 http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_with_plugins_support.png Mar 07 15:07:17 http://www.thomasbertani.it/res/screenlocker_with_plugins_support_2.png Mar 07 15:07:19 ok :) Mar 07 15:07:43 sylar91: btw... just /res might not be what you want :P Mar 07 15:08:08 mmm? /res? Mar 07 15:08:33 leave the .png file from the url... just /res Mar 07 15:09:09 ah ok Mar 07 15:09:25 now you have viewed them? Mar 07 15:10:06 yep... I love the calc Mar 07 15:10:28 nice :) Mar 07 15:20:49 <|Leto|> would someone be able to help me out with this error of building libsdl-native? this is what i got http://dpaste.com/8816/ Mar 07 15:28:39 PaulFert`, here? Mar 07 15:31:22 Hi Tasn Mar 07 15:31:29 hey Dave sup? Mar 07 15:36:52 TAsn: here Mar 07 15:37:03 hey. Mar 07 15:37:17 hm.. is it possible that answering a call changes the alsa state? Mar 07 15:38:52 TAsn: sure, frameworkd does that usually Mar 07 15:38:59 i c. Mar 07 15:39:22 TAsn: just rename gsmhandset.state to something other to avoid that temprorarily. Mar 07 15:39:27 that sounds awful Mar 07 15:39:41 Who designed this crap? :D Mar 07 15:39:49 PaulFert`, I can just symlink gsmhandset.state to my state file then ;] Mar 07 15:39:51 thanks. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 15:56:47 2009 Mar 07 16:08:01 Dave: nobody. it's an exhibition-showoff-botch Mar 07 16:09:40 Dave: "Messehack" Mar 07 16:11:28 :o Mar 07 16:13:47 statefiles always have been, the way they're put to purpose in OM Mar 07 16:14:29 Dave: that's not entirely new though Mar 07 16:14:35 Yeah -_- Mar 07 16:21:31 Joerg, what do you think of Eten? ;) Mar 07 16:21:52 hmm, ... Mar 07 16:22:19 .oO( null ) Mar 07 16:22:47 no particular opinion Mar 07 16:22:52 okay Mar 07 16:24:25 the M800 though isn't a device I might love eventually Mar 07 16:24:29 DocScrutinizer: Where did Andy read about effect of the latest Werner's drive strength patch on image distortion of gta03's camera, is it on some internal ML? Mar 07 16:24:41 no idea Mar 07 16:24:57 maybe gta0e-internal - yeah Mar 07 16:24:58 * PaulFert` suspecting some stupid consipracy again Mar 07 16:25:08 03 Mar 07 16:25:10 :D Mar 07 16:26:12 PaulFert`: (conspiracy) nah, usual TPE enigma syndrome Mar 07 16:26:39 ack for stupid though Mar 07 16:26:45 * PaulFert` still wonders how a smartphone without WiFi (_and_ without 3G) can make sense... Mar 07 16:27:14 dunno Mar 07 16:27:43 at least it won't kick GTA02 out of business ;-) Mar 07 16:27:58 :P Mar 07 16:28:15 (camera) I guess they don't want to have discussions about Mpixs all over community ML, probably that's the reason. Mar 07 16:28:18 Gloooooooooooofiiiiiiiiiiiish Mar 07 16:28:33 PaulFert`: 03 won't have wifi? Mar 07 16:28:34 Klo-Fish Mar 07 16:28:37 Joerg, I just saw the DX900 Mar 07 16:28:48 lindi-: judge by yourself: Mar 07 16:29:20 lindi-: Andy told there won't be any problems with Wifi firmware a month ago. A week ago he removed wireless stack from config. Mar 07 16:29:57 03 without wifi and with capacitive screen... Mar 07 16:30:07 didn't he remove GPS stack as well? Mar 07 16:30:27 Can't say about GPS, because it's not kernel stuff. Mar 07 16:30:44 ahh, I see Mar 07 16:30:45 nice... i'm glad i hadn't waited for gta03 and i bought gta02 :D Mar 07 16:30:58 <|Leto|> is there a design-example available of gta03? Mar 07 16:31:07 I told ya ;D Mar 07 16:31:29 |Leto|: that's all topsecret, to avoid some nasty-osborne-or-smth effect ;) Mar 07 16:31:29 nope!!! maximum NDA Mar 07 16:31:44 <|Leto|> awww Mar 07 16:31:56 <|Leto|> a pity Mar 07 16:32:09 <|Leto|> considered how early gta1-examples were available Mar 07 16:32:31 <|Leto|> :-D Mar 07 16:32:34 <|Leto|> btw ... Mar 07 16:32:37 <|Leto|> would someone be able to help me out with this error of building libsdl-native? this is what i got http://dpaste.com/8816/ Mar 07 16:32:38 honestly, the rate of changes wouldn't even allow a honest preview Mar 07 16:32:40 |Leto|: I think i've read on community that gta03 will have the screen more easily accessible (like on iphone). Mar 07 16:32:48 Maximum NDA? Mar 07 16:32:50 hahaha Mar 07 16:32:59 PaulFert`: capacitive screen... Mar 07 16:33:05 PaulFert`: which i really don't like Mar 07 16:33:09 QUAD DAMAGE! Mar 07 16:33:17 dos1: just like mythic OM ui designers like Mar 07 16:33:38 lol Mar 07 16:33:43 <|Leto|> what's the difference between capacitive and resistive screen - apart from multi-touch and pricing? Mar 07 16:34:06 can't use decent sylus on capaci Mar 07 16:34:08 |Leto|: you can't use stylus or fingernail with capacitive Mar 07 16:34:19 <|Leto|> dos1, huh? Mar 07 16:34:21 <|Leto|> why not? Mar 07 16:34:29 |Leto|: Summer? Is it possible you have some old libtool version installed on host? Mar 07 16:34:31 |Leto|: cause it won't be registered Mar 07 16:34:49 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, is this system-libtool you're talking about? Mar 07 16:35:03 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, i installed the shr-toolchain via make setup Mar 07 16:35:12 <|Leto|> dos1, ah, it needs skin-contact? Mar 07 16:35:16 |Leto|: no, talking about libtool installed by your distro Mar 07 16:35:36 capacitive == conductive * area Mar 07 16:35:36 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, hardly likely - i'm running gentoo Mar 07 16:35:38 |Leto|: it needs some object with enough capacitance, i think Mar 07 16:35:39 |Leto|: yes. that's why i don't want it Mar 07 16:35:56 fingernail / stylus has none Mar 07 16:36:23 neither area nor conductive one Mar 07 16:36:46 Not even enough capacitance but an area enough to produce a capacitor between the screen and object, i think Mar 07 16:37:06 nope Mar 07 16:37:22 well theoretically Mar 07 16:37:26 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, sys-devel/libtool-1.5.26 <--- i doubt this is outdated? Mar 07 16:37:41 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, but i could try with libtool-2.2.6a? Mar 07 16:38:03 the crossing area tween rows and cols of c-ts is larger though Mar 07 16:38:25 |Leto|: ask those who has OE running. I'm a debian on freerunner user ;) Mar 07 16:38:26 gta03 with capacitive screen won't be phone for developers (programming in train or waiting for dentist on capacitive screen? wtf?)... so who will produce phones for developers? :( Mar 07 16:38:58 buy a GTA02 Mar 07 16:38:59 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, :-P Mar 07 16:39:20 whats a capacitive screen? Mar 07 16:39:27 DocScrutinizer: why can't i take a metal pointed stylus then? Combined with my hand it will be of enough capacitance and conductivity, no? Mar 07 16:39:42 no Mar 07 16:39:47 DocScrutinizer: i have gta02 :P Mar 07 16:39:58 as it's all about coupling rows to cols Mar 07 16:40:02 pabs3: touchscreen used in iPhone, G1 and in future in GTA03 Mar 07 16:40:11 pabs3: which i really don't like Mar 07 16:40:19 ugh, the iPhone touchscreen is crap Mar 07 16:40:23 <|Leto|> pabs3, a touchscreen that offers recognition of multiple touch-points at the same time Mar 07 16:40:34 pabs3: google / wikipedia is your friend Mar 07 16:40:48 leto: nope Mar 07 16:40:58 <|Leto|> huh? Mar 07 16:41:14 <|Leto|> i thought that was the reason for switching to a capacitive screen? Mar 07 16:41:26 that's a feature commonly found but not inherent to c-ts Mar 07 16:41:35 <|Leto|> ahhh! Mar 07 16:41:39 <|Leto|> gotcha Mar 07 16:42:03 <|Leto|> pabs3, why is the iphone's touchscreen crap? only had one in my hands for a brief moment Mar 07 16:42:11 can't use a stylus Mar 07 16:42:16 you can even do limited mt on a r-ts Mar 07 16:42:30 or a wooden stick whatever Mar 07 16:42:53 <|Leto|> yup, that we were just discussing Mar 07 16:43:11 try doing a sketch on a c-ts ;P Mar 07 16:43:28 try programming in python on a small c-ts :P Mar 07 16:43:32 <|Leto|> ;) Mar 07 16:43:44 <|Leto|> gta02 ftw then Mar 07 16:44:25 yup Mar 07 16:44:30 which type of touchscreen does GTA02? Mar 07 16:44:31 for me Mar 07 16:44:38 ymmv Mar 07 16:44:43 * pabs3 hopes they revert this decision for GTA04 Mar 07 16:44:46 pabs3: resistive (pressure based) Mar 07 16:46:16 optical looks like the best touch type Mar 07 16:46:45 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, no, it wasn't the libtool version. 2.2.6a yields the same result Mar 07 16:46:56 pabs3: not exactly. Mar 07 16:47:05 |Leto|: try to regenerate/fetch the offending file Mar 07 16:47:10 it has it's own limitations Mar 07 16:47:43 PABS! Mar 07 16:47:47 :) Mar 07 16:47:49 yeah Mar 07 16:47:51 probably a combination would yield best results Mar 07 16:48:01 * pabs3 waves to Dave Mar 07 16:49:24 :) Mar 07 16:49:54 though it's rather useless to layer a c-ts and a r-ts ;-) lol Mar 07 16:50:01 <|Leto|> PaulFert`, bitbake -c clean libsdl-native && bitbake libsdl-native? Mar 07 16:50:13 still I know of such a design Mar 07 16:50:29 :_) Mar 07 16:51:17 |Leto|: probably yes. I'm don't know much about the OE magic. Mar 07 16:51:32 <|Leto|> ;) Mar 07 16:51:34 <|Leto|> me neither Mar 07 16:51:43 <|Leto|> i much prefer my cozy portage *snuggles* Mar 07 16:51:59 <|Leto|> *WHOA!* Mar 07 16:52:02 <|Leto|> it built! Mar 07 16:52:23 <|Leto|> *unrealtournamentvoice* IMPRESSIVE! Mar 07 16:53:23 <|Leto|> thanks for holding my hand there, PaulFert` Mar 07 16:53:40 pabs3: optical is cheap and doesn't reduce light from display. but it's rather unexact Mar 07 16:53:44 |Leto|: why aren't you compiling your stage3 for FR now then? ;) Mar 07 16:54:05 <|Leto|> :-D Mar 07 16:54:20 <|Leto|> i will, as soon as the shr-support in gentoo is decent Mar 07 16:54:26 <|Leto|> right now it's very hackish Mar 07 16:56:19 <|Leto|> yach! Mar 07 16:56:21 <|Leto|> glibc! Mar 07 16:56:23 <|Leto|> sheeeesh Mar 07 16:58:39 pabs3: try nokia N810 before you decide on your fav ts-technology Mar 07 16:59:05 ok Mar 07 16:59:26 <|Leto|> hmmm Mar 07 16:59:32 <|Leto|> i can ping my freerunner Mar 07 16:59:41 <|Leto|> but i can't hear it, i set it to silent Mar 07 16:59:47 <|Leto|> -.- Mar 07 16:59:52 <|Leto|> pwnd Mar 07 16:59:55 a r-ts as smooth as a capa one, but exact as r-ts are by design Mar 07 17:00:36 k, it does no mt Mar 07 17:01:18 i happily trade that for a high resolution and stylus Mar 07 17:03:11 cool design: fluid separation of r-foils instead of mechanical spacers Mar 07 17:05:22 reacts on the touch of a feather Mar 07 17:06:23 damn. Mar 07 17:06:25 I had it for a sec Mar 07 17:06:29 and lost it ;] Mar 07 17:07:06 huh? no recording again?? Mar 07 17:07:21 Wow, the latest mirko-paroli letters looks like something i've already seen! Mar 07 17:07:52 letters like news or like font? Mar 07 17:07:59 To deactivate questionable fullscreen behaviour he needs to publish a document with description on reactivation old behaviour instructions. Mar 07 17:08:18 lol Mar 07 17:08:25 The Wrench story again? Mar 07 17:08:38 looks like Mar 07 17:08:41 yeah Mar 07 17:09:48 I asked him recently what does this whole fullscreen story mean and whether the "designers" that were abusing Raster are still there. He refused to answer. Mar 07 17:10:28 XD Mar 07 17:10:39 rotfl Mar 07 17:14:13 TAsn: so, you did it but then lost the state? Do you still remember my warning about Capture Left Mixer and Capture Right Mixer? Mar 07 17:14:19 hmm, i have socat in a state where even root cannot strace it Mar 07 17:14:34 Epic strace fail :) Mar 07 17:14:43 hmm, ignore previous line, it kept changing pid too fast Mar 07 17:15:25 PaulFert`, something about having to restart it when putting it on together, I can't recall, I had it in an open gedit window though I accidentally pressed ctrl+alt+bksp ;[ Mar 07 17:15:55 $ sudo strace -p `pidof socat` Mar 07 17:15:55 attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted Mar 07 17:16:03 PaulFert`, hm I still have the state file, it just that I don't remember the parameters I used with arecord Mar 07 17:16:14 kernel prints '[ 145.510000] rxerr: port=0 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c' sometimes Mar 07 17:16:47 TAsn: the idea is: Those 2 controls should be identical. Once you change one control, the other will change itself to the same value. But! Touching Right will make Left channel unusable and you'll need to touch left again after that. Mar 07 17:17:03 TAsn: arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 Mar 07 17:18:11 PaulFert`, why should they be identical? and what do you mean by touching? Mar 07 17:18:23 mmaybe even -D plughw:o,o Mar 07 17:19:00 plughw might work with -c 1 Mar 07 17:19:10 TAsn: they're designed to work like that. But some bug exists that turns off the Left channel after you touch the right control. By touching i mean any way of setting the control. Mar 07 17:19:22 PaulFert`, btw, got any tips about how to read those schematics? I'm really having a hard time. Mar 07 17:19:37 PaulFert`, I see. so you have to first change the right and then the left? Mar 07 17:20:14 weird, if they suppose to be the same thing, how can I get both mic audio and gsm audio at the same time? (said to be possible in the wiki) Mar 07 17:20:14 TAsn: if you don't need to change the right, then don't. Just change the left. But upon statefile loading the right changes automatically, so beware. Mar 07 17:20:42 TAsn: (read schem) hard to give general advice Mar 07 17:20:42 PaulFert`, so I should just verify I change the left after I change the right. Mar 07 17:20:44 TAsn: (tips how to read) i can't see what is unclear, try to formulate a question :) Mar 07 17:21:28 PaulFert`, where to start at? I mean, I see INs and OUTs and I see lines connecting, going through other numbers Mar 07 17:21:32 and that's where it ends ;] Mar 07 17:21:34 TAsn: the change should be an actual change, not the statefile edit, of course ;) Mar 07 17:21:43 PaulFert`, ... ;] Mar 07 17:21:45 TAsn: (get same time) right. that's a little fuzzy still Mar 07 17:22:09 PaulFert`, wouldn't it be better to just work on the right? Mar 07 17:22:25 TAsn: you start at looking at the first diagram where you see which devices are connected to which input/output. Then you look at the "fancier" diagram with ALSA control names printed in RED. Mar 07 17:23:00 and how does that help me? I mean so what if I see the mic here and an alsa name sampling in the middle? Mar 07 17:23:06 is it a gate? a sampler? Mar 07 17:23:08 amplifier? Mar 07 17:23:14 I'm really clueless.. ;] Mar 07 17:23:28 TAsn: if it has an arrow, then it's an amp you can set gain of. Mar 07 17:23:31 hmm, that's a tough one Mar 07 17:23:42 TAsn: (sort of) Mar 07 17:24:01 PaulFert`, the sort of is what giving me a hard time ;] Mar 07 17:24:36 btw are all the plughw: and hw: formats s16_le? Mar 07 17:24:38 TAsn: maybe sth like this might help: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Schaltzeichen_(Elektrik/Elektronik) Mar 07 17:24:51 TAsn: you can route audio from GSM to the right channel, yes Mar 07 17:24:59 plughw converts Mar 07 17:25:23 DocScrutinizer, and it always converts to that? Mar 07 17:25:37 TAsn: to something appropriate :) Mar 07 17:26:00 so it's supposed to know which format "hw" needs and "plug" converts from the format/samplingrate/#chan you requested to the one the "hw" supports Mar 07 17:26:04 TAsn: i'd say go via hw: directly, as it works. Why add another layer? Mar 07 17:26:21 PaulFert`, cool. Mar 07 17:26:25 I agree. Mar 07 17:26:25 TAsn: s16_le means that samples are signed 16-bit values in Little Endian. Mar 07 17:26:30 PaulFert`, I know. Mar 07 17:26:36 PaulFert`: ack Mar 07 17:26:38 and that's exactly what I asked Mar 07 17:26:43 are they always s16_le? Mar 07 17:26:53 TAsn: to record audio from the card you're supposed to give matching parameters (that hardware supports). Mar 07 17:26:54 yup Mar 07 17:30:13 PaulFert`: are we talking about MONOMIX for the strange right-first bug? Mar 07 17:30:29 PaulFert`: (sorry, forgot) Mar 07 17:30:30 DocScrutinizer: yes Mar 07 17:30:32 k Mar 07 17:31:17 "arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 > test1.wav" hangs my terminal, bah, I can't believe I lost it ;] Mar 07 17:31:39 hw:0,0 is the left and 0,1 is the right? Mar 07 17:32:09 TAsn: no Mar 07 17:32:35 TAsn: are you sure you've set a proper DAI mode before starting arecord? Mar 07 17:33:31 TAsn: 0 is the first subdevice of a sound card and 1 is the second. The second subdevice is the interface to the bluetooth chip that you can't record or playback to obviously. Just don't think about it. Mar 07 17:33:57 so I only care about 0,0? cool, thanks. Mar 07 17:34:31 yeah, I just double checked Mar 07 17:34:35 DAI mode is 2 Mar 07 17:34:50 so what means "hang termnal"? Mar 07 17:34:50 left and right are line & rtf or what ever this is Mar 07 17:34:58 DocScrutinizer, I can press keys Mar 07 17:35:01 though it'll do nothing Mar 07 17:35:12 sigint doesn't free it as well Mar 07 17:35:18 recording is supposed to "hang" Mar 07 17:35:24 until you abort it Mar 07 17:35:32 ahh ok Mar 07 17:35:38 and you abort it by pressing ctrl + i ;] Mar 07 17:35:48 TAsn: dmesg |tail has any oops info probably? Mar 07 17:35:49 huh? Mar 07 17:36:12 DocScrutinizer: the driver is not that stable, it can still hang somtimes. Mar 07 17:36:21 jbt6k74 spi2.0: **** jbt6k74 unblank Mar 07 17:36:22 ctrl-i is a quite unusual key-assignment Mar 07 17:36:27 is it related? Mar 07 17:36:35 TAsn: no Mar 07 17:36:36 nope Mar 07 17:36:37 DocScrutinizer, huh? it's td. Mar 07 17:36:41 std* Mar 07 17:36:50 so nothing in dmesg Mar 07 17:36:52 TAsn: we stop processes by ^C usually ;) Mar 07 17:37:07 that's what I thought as well Mar 07 17:37:14 PaulFert`, hehe yeah, oops Mar 07 17:37:18 I'm using dvorak Mar 07 17:37:22 TAsn: i'm too Mar 07 17:37:24 lol Mar 07 17:37:26 and c is mapped on the i button Mar 07 17:37:35 so I naturally said ^I Mar 07 17:37:35 ;] Mar 07 17:37:39 TAsn: but it's still c, isn't it? :))) Mar 07 17:37:43 PaulFert`, it is. Mar 07 17:37:48 I'm just wasted ;] Mar 07 17:37:56 foooools alarm Mar 07 17:37:59 ;D Mar 07 17:38:01 ^^ Mar 07 17:38:09 TAsn: DVORAK rules! Mar 07 17:38:14 PaulFert`, aye! Mar 07 17:38:23 Hi, How can I make the phone vibrating with dbus? Mar 07 17:38:27 does it Mar 07 17:39:35 one more question, it'll always come with two channels, right? Mar 07 17:40:00 TAsn: start arecord wit -vv Mar 07 17:40:08 TAsn: unless you're using plughw, yes Mar 07 17:40:12 additional parameter Mar 07 17:40:21 PaulFert`, cool. Mar 07 17:40:30 I'm starting to get the hang of it. ;] Mar 07 17:41:46 nothing. Mar 07 17:41:49 hangs as usual. Mar 07 17:42:03 no single log to STDOUT? Mar 07 17:42:12 nope. Mar 07 17:42:16 duh Mar 07 17:42:28 ;\ Mar 07 17:42:36 try -c 8 Mar 07 17:42:53 should throw error at least Mar 07 17:43:19 wath syslog Mar 07 17:43:24 just hangs. Mar 07 17:43:25 watch Mar 07 17:43:43 switch DAI mode back and forth Mar 07 17:43:51 TAsn: or reboot ;) Mar 07 17:44:01 PaulFert`, I actually thought about that. Mar 07 17:44:02 sec. Mar 07 17:44:16 lol, yeah or that. or at least restart alsa Mar 07 17:44:16 rebooting. Mar 07 17:45:10 I gave alsa more than it can chew ;] Mar 07 17:46:07 do U say it works ow? ;) Mar 07 17:46:13 Now Mar 07 17:46:19 sec Mar 07 17:46:22 just went up Mar 07 17:47:10 TAsn: btw you always should use -vv Mar 07 17:47:43 I think Om pretty much works "ow" ... that's actually a good way to phrase it. ;-) -D Mar 07 17:47:57 and please DON'T use ">file" but only " file" Mar 07 17:48:21 ;] Mar 07 17:48:33 :) Mar 07 17:48:38 cleaning up my mess? ;] Mar 07 17:49:03 what's the best way to avoid the right left bug? Mar 07 17:49:30 with ">file" you obviously won't see any reasonable STDOUT logs ;D Mar 07 17:50:03 DocScrutinizer, I don't do > when I want to see logs ;] Mar 07 17:50:04 but ok. Mar 07 17:50:29 [2009-03-07 18:31:17] "arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 > test1.wav" hangs my terminal, bah, I can't believe I lost it ;] Mar 07 17:50:40 DocScrutinizer, but when I added -vv Mar 07 17:50:44 I removed the > ;] Mar 07 17:50:48 k Mar 07 17:50:50 busted! Mar 07 17:50:54 (I have no reasonable excuses...) Mar 07 17:52:34 it's working!!! Mar 07 17:52:42 DocScrutinizer, PaulFert`, you rock ;] Mar 07 17:53:00 root@om-gta02:~# arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 xxxxxx Mar 07 17:53:01 Recording WAVE 'xxxxxx' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 8000 Hz, Stereo Mar 07 17:53:05 DocScrutinizer, what's the best way to pipe it somewhere else? Mar 07 17:53:17 pie it! Mar 07 17:53:24 pie? Mar 07 17:53:26 pipe it - lol Mar 07 17:53:32 cool Mar 07 17:53:57 arecord | aplay is perfectly viable Mar 07 17:54:05 cool. Mar 07 17:54:06 thanks. Mar 07 17:54:12 if you ommit -v Mar 07 17:54:16 :D Mar 07 17:54:48 root@om-gta02:~# ls -l xxxxxx Mar 07 17:54:50 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3219500 Mar 7 17:54 xxxxxx Mar 07 17:56:15 I even did sth like ` ssh FR -c arecord | aplay Mar 07 17:56:29 to pipe it through usb to PC and playback there Mar 07 17:57:32 sweet.~! Mar 07 17:57:36 huuuuge latency (aka delay / echo), but works perfectly Mar 07 17:59:32 comes handy to test EMI and other issues relating audio ;) Mar 07 18:00:51 TAsn: need more advice on how to read the mixer diagram? Mar 07 18:01:21 nah, I got everything I needed ;] Mar 07 18:01:27 thanks A LOT!!! Mar 07 18:02:47 I'll deal with injecting sound to a call tomorrow, I'm too tired! ;] Mar 07 18:02:48 Candy still hasn't replied to me btw. And no info about plans on alsa ctl plugin as well. Fuck it! Mar 07 18:05:51 PaulFert`: Candy? replied? ctl plugin? Mar 07 18:06:07 DocScrutinizer: i shouldn't have expected her to reply? Mar 07 18:06:22 I'm missing context Mar 07 18:06:40 subject? Mar 07 18:07:08 DocScrutinizer: remember that excel spreadSHIT and the routing diagram with alsa control names? I posted the message to the community about the work i did and the Andy came and told that Candy is doing something similar. Mar 07 18:07:25 yup. Mar 07 18:07:33 and you asked her sth? Mar 07 18:07:57 when updating gsm firmware with http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz should a sim be inserted or not? Mar 07 18:07:57 And then i said: wtf, she should have told the community about her plans to avoid duplicating efforts. And then Candy suddenly made a post to a community ML. Mar 07 18:08:19 DocScrutinizer: subject: "Wolfson WM8753 alsa mapping" Mar 07 18:08:26 bumbl: doesn't really matter, so I recommend: no Mar 07 18:09:03 [hw]? [devel]? Mar 07 18:09:17 DocScrutinizer: i'd recommend yes, because i had issues with uSD electrical connection without SIM or mechanical equivalent. Mar 07 18:09:20 DocScrutinizer: community Mar 07 18:09:31 eew Mar 07 18:10:08 DocScrutinizer: i posted the reply directly to her, CC'd the community (that FUCKING adds useless Reply-To header that has to be stripped before replying). Mar 07 18:10:08 DocScrutinizer: yeah i would have removed the sim normally Mar 07 18:11:18 still 100% cpu for searching the folder :-( Mar 07 18:11:36 k, 120sec Mar 07 18:11:54 bumbl: when i occasionaly need to boot 2007 from NAND to fix something on my uSD i turn my sim by 180 degrees to avoid sideeffects of 2007 messing with my sim. Mar 07 18:12:09 not really. probably it will segfault again :-((( Mar 07 18:12:33 PaulFert`: well i just removed the sim which should do the same :p Mar 07 18:13:35 DocScrutinizer: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/37203 Mar 07 18:13:48 pheeew, achieved to stop the grep by erasing searchfield Mar 07 18:16:06 PaulFert`: too complicated. TPE staff doesn't understand usually. And Candy is an EE, no SW gal Mar 07 18:16:32 DocScrutinizer: at least she should have answered! Mar 07 18:16:33 so she has not the slightest idea about ctl plugin Mar 07 18:17:03 they never answer "I didn't get your question" Mar 07 18:17:34 anyway I can answer for her: nobody has even thought about that Mar 07 18:19:04 But i told about the idea directly to the OM employee who's very near to that stuff atm, she could have asked Matt or somebody. And yet she simply ignored my question. Moreover, she broke the promise, her spreadshit doesn't seem to be published. Not that i think it can be very useful, but keeping promises is important. Mar 07 18:19:08 and, honestly, ot many of OM staff reads [community] any more Mar 07 18:19:24 The message was sent directly to her and community was CC'd Mar 07 18:20:21 I know. Just expect to see things like this frequently. That's why I "wasn't able to integrate" :-/ Mar 07 18:21:09 I know and understand. I'm stupid enough to get depressed by stuff like that every time. Mar 07 18:21:12 (ask somebody) what do you dream of at night? ;D Mar 07 18:21:52 Most people think: great God will come from the sky. Take away everything, and make everybody feel high. Mar 07 18:21:56 ;) Mar 07 18:22:33 Or about gals that don't screw you. Mar 07 18:22:40 lol Mar 07 18:22:44 yeah Mar 07 18:23:57 anyway, back to MONOMIX Mar 07 18:24:27 Broonie was going to fix it, i think. Mar 07 18:24:31 !seen quickdev Mar 07 18:27:27 ~seen quickdev Mar 07 18:27:27 quickdev was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 10d 3h 52m 7s ago, saying: 'and for you?'. Mar 07 18:27:52 wow this makes a long time Mar 07 18:29:22 yeah Mar 07 18:29:28 thank you mrmoku Mar 07 18:29:43 ~seen yoyo Mar 07 18:29:43 yoyo was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 40d 48m 15s ago, saying: 'dos1: realy'. Mar 07 18:29:43 any plans on building a new unstable image? Mar 07 18:29:46 ~seen yoyoek1 Mar 07 18:29:46 yoyoek1 was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 31d 22h 44m 57s ago, saying: 'upgrade is fuc*** grate :/ '. Mar 07 18:29:57 that's long time... Mar 07 18:30:05 PaulFert`: k, usually you want to set MONOMIX to "stereo" anyway Mar 07 18:30:05 is he dead? Mar 07 18:30:16 or found the door to rl ;) Mar 07 18:30:35 bumbl: hope the second one ;) Mar 07 18:30:43 THAT'S an idea, searching door to RL Mar 07 18:30:47 DocScrutinizer: yes. I'm not sure if it works properly or not. And i don't want to care atm. Mar 07 18:30:59 * mrmoku thought the real life door is just a story... told by parents to scare their children :P Mar 07 18:31:09 lol Mar 07 18:31:19 hmm Mar 07 18:31:28 i just found great enlightenment feature Mar 07 18:31:29 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ba70febdb2b6155fc8ec8e44538aad0d.png Mar 07 18:31:29 :D Mar 07 18:31:43 start to type something on that blank screen? :x Mar 07 18:31:54 man... THAT is real life ;) Mar 07 18:32:13 s/? :x/ :) Mar 07 18:32:22 ;x Mar 07 18:32:24 dos1: it's a bug not a feature :p (or was it the other way round ;) ) Mar 07 18:32:28 * mrmoku checks for e updates... Mar 07 18:32:50 bumbl: no, i was saying about typing text on desktop :D Mar 07 18:32:54 PaulFert`: anyway it's completely nuts to implement TWO controls a` 4 values each, to control two bits of a register Mar 07 18:32:59 ah Mar 07 18:33:10 that would be a nice feature Mar 07 18:33:25 i lack a "formatted text" plasmoid for kde4 Mar 07 18:33:25 bumbl: but it hides after few seconds Mar 07 18:33:28 :x Mar 07 18:33:49 which would be similar to that unimplemented "e feature" Mar 07 18:34:02 mhhh... there were changes in illume/e.src... should take a closer look :D Mar 07 18:34:04 DocScrutinizer: looks weird, i agree. Probably he had some reasoning though... Mar 07 18:34:24 dos1: (scap) lol Mar 07 18:34:31 hmm, or a cloudy moment ;-) Mar 07 18:35:16 :) Mar 07 18:37:31 anyone has time to try to debug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2238 with me? apparently rb_reserve_next_event causes data abort in FIQ mode Mar 07 18:40:33 hmm does raster still work for swisscom? Mar 07 18:44:32 ~seen raster Mar 07 18:44:33 raster was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 1d 3h 32m 30s ago, saying: 'adios!'. Mar 07 18:47:22 DocScrutinizer: raster is on a presentation me thinks... Mar 07 18:48:48 mrmoku: what image would you suggest to flash? Mar 07 18:49:29 Drmoku Mar 07 18:49:43 DAVE Mar 07 18:49:58 Bumble! Mar 07 18:50:10 Dave!! Mar 07 18:50:25 bumbl: well... if you need your phone... testing :-) Mar 07 18:50:35 or install them both :D Mar 07 18:50:40 Zomg! Mar 07 18:50:42 Blueslee! :D Mar 07 18:51:12 * mrmoku is building with current EFL now to see if there will be icons Mar 07 18:51:22 at least the syscon menu could be fixed Mar 07 18:55:31 mrmoku: i don't need it as a phone but i need core functions (app launching in any way + apps working) Mar 07 18:56:04 bumbl: well as you might have heard app launching is quite difficult today ;) Mar 07 18:56:11 :D Mar 07 18:56:22 lets see what the new build gives... hope dies last :-) Mar 07 18:58:56 :) Mar 07 18:59:12 I hope they're blueslee's icons :P Mar 07 18:59:22 Dave: you too have still hope... right? Mar 07 18:59:35 not much left Mar 07 19:00:26 Dave: sad... what can we do about that? Mar 07 19:00:38 hope: the last thing to die Mar 07 19:00:42 develop a good device, and send it to me Mar 07 19:00:52 mwester, interesting way of looking at it :) Mar 07 19:01:03 it's the truth, though. Mar 07 19:01:24 it's the bit of insanity that all of us require in order to survive Mar 07 19:01:25 For strong individuals, yes, generally Mar 07 19:01:47 * Dave puts on his "I Survived Openmoko" t-shirt Mar 07 19:01:52 Dave: seen that new Toshiba? Mar 07 19:02:04 (TG01 IIRC) Mar 07 19:02:14 That's a great idea Dave! Someone should design that T-shirt and sell it. I'd buy one! Mar 07 19:02:16 hehe Mar 07 19:02:41 i will also get me a new phone Mar 07 19:03:39 BluesLee: so finaly you can't resist anymore :( Mar 07 19:03:47 ;) Mar 07 19:03:50 one, which can cook spaghetti;-) Mar 07 19:04:19 wow if that one exists, I may buy one too :D Mar 07 19:04:57 ptitjes: i will resist some weeks more ... but thats all ... and its not because of the software;-) Mar 07 19:04:57 only if its open though... who knows otherwise what it will put into your food ;) Mar 07 19:05:00 I just want one that doesn't buzz, doesn't echo, has proper bass response, and good battery life. Mar 07 19:05:16 same here Mar 07 19:05:17 I can make my own spaghetti. Mar 07 19:05:50 so you just all want a (boring) phone... Mar 07 19:06:00 no fun! Mar 07 19:06:03 no, a working one Mar 07 19:06:12 btw, for listening to the music i bought SanDisk Sansa e250 which is supported by Rockbox. I don't think being a portable player is necessary for a phone. Mar 07 19:06:38 working concerning the basics, everything else is luxury Mar 07 19:07:16 PaulFert`: is use rockbox on my ipod nano for about one year Mar 07 19:07:26 PaulFert`: very good distro! Mar 07 19:11:04 PaulFert`, DocScrutinizer, I just came back to thank you both again. Mar 07 19:11:06 :) Mar 07 19:11:29 You really helped sorting everything up in my head, and of course helped me make it run. Mar 07 19:11:30 TAsn: are you going to tell us something pleasant? Mar 07 19:12:02 PaulFert`, just my sincere thanks, nothing more. Mar 07 19:12:03 ;] Mar 07 19:12:30 TAsn: that's already quite cool, thanks :) Mar 07 19:12:47 PaulFert`, thank you. ;] Mar 07 19:13:14 mwester: moko battery life is not that bad compared to other modern smartphones Mar 07 19:13:19 cya, gtg get some sleep, I'm up from ~26 hours Mar 07 19:13:29 btw. i would buy a "i survived openmoko" shirt too Mar 07 19:13:36 TAsn: good luck :) Mar 07 19:13:38 bumbl: it's horriblew. Mar 07 19:13:41 Don't be a fanboi Mar 07 19:13:43 oops Mar 07 19:13:49 I meant ~36 hrs ;] Mar 07 19:13:53 mwester: /me points at the htc dream Mar 07 19:13:59 (g1) Mar 07 19:13:59 * mwester points at the treo Mar 07 19:14:03 * mwester points at the iphone Mar 07 19:14:22 * mwester points at all the things that COULD and SHOULD be done, but Om is too busyh with the gta03 and kernel-chasing. Mar 07 19:14:22 well yeah Mar 07 19:14:29 * mwester is tired of excuses! Mar 07 19:14:30 :P Mar 07 19:14:30 TAsn: don't do this again, sleep deprivation is too dangerous ;) Mar 07 19:14:52 i won't buy gta03 anytime soon Mar 07 19:14:58 PaulFert`, I didn't do it on purpose, it's all because of those damn schematics... ;] Mar 07 19:15:20 as i plan to change to a 3g only provider by beginning of 2010 Mar 07 19:15:35 i won't buy gta03 too... Mar 07 19:15:49 dos1, why? Mar 07 19:16:27 TAsn: because the gta02 should have been mass market ready at first (at least the hardware) Mar 07 19:16:48 but wasn't Mar 07 19:16:50 TAsn: it could be only a toy for me... capacitive screen is really not for me Mar 07 19:16:54 how does that have anything to do with him buying/not buying gta03? Mar 07 19:17:10 and noone knows if gta03 will be gta02 all over again Mar 07 19:17:17 hehe! If it is possible to screw up the design of the gta03 or DHSKHSLK993L (whatever they decide to call it today), Om will find the way! Mar 07 19:17:19 dos1, I think I prefer this touch screen as well. Mar 07 19:17:29 BTW, that's pretty clever marking, don't you think? Mar 07 19:17:40 mwester, say what you want, but I like my FR. Although it has MANY flaws. Mar 07 19:17:43 ;] Mar 07 19:17:51 Change the name, so that it won't be associated with the horrors of the GTA01 and GTA02. Mar 07 19:17:52 i don't want expensive toy which which i can only play doom and masturbate with graphic speed :P Mar 07 19:18:17 and gta03 is going to be another iPhone-like toy for masturbating Mar 07 19:18:29 Hope that when someone googles for the new device, it won't bring up all the pages and blogs about the GTA0x devices! Mar 07 19:18:31 dos1, let's hope you are wrong. ;] Mar 07 19:18:46 mwester, did they kill your cat? Mar 07 19:18:49 because you sound pissed. Mar 07 19:18:49 ;] Mar 07 19:19:03 TAsn: Fanboi, you are. Mar 07 19:19:05 TAsn: i hope that too, but really - capacitive screen is really bad option Mar 07 19:19:09 mwester, I am. ;] Mar 07 19:19:09 :D Mar 07 19:19:23 No wonder he always returns full of hope. Mar 07 19:19:25 dos1, yeah, do you have any idea why they moved to a capacitive? Mar 07 19:19:28 TAsn: so in your fanboi world, the only reason someone has to be upset is if a company kills their cat? Mar 07 19:19:34 hardware keyboard would be even better Mar 07 19:19:40 and non-touch screen Mar 07 19:19:49 :D Mar 07 19:19:55 mwester, no. Mar 07 19:19:59 dos1, stop filling us with more hope :[ Mar 07 19:20:00 worst kind of fanboi: Mar 07 19:20:00 TAsn: I'd like to have you as MY customer! Mar 07 19:20:08 mwester, what are you selling? Mar 07 19:20:09 * bumbl deletes 1. Mac fanboi Mar 07 19:20:11 hahaha Mar 07 19:20:15 I'm a sucker for hackable devices. Mar 07 19:20:19 * bumbl writes 1. Openmoko fanboi Mar 07 19:20:38 TAsn: I have a marvelous automobile to sell you -- brand new, great tires, wonderful fuel mileage -- just send me the money and I'll send you a working car! Mar 07 19:20:53 HAHA Mar 07 19:20:54 TAsn: i think OM wants to have nice, eyecandy toy to masturating by fanboys, because only in that way they can have big sales Mar 07 19:20:54 * mwester goes off to buy a toy plastic automobile.. Mar 07 19:20:59 having a portable small with wifi, bt, gps, accelerometers and gsm linux box is wicked ;] Mar 07 19:21:12 TAsn: with device only for hackers they won't be sales as they want... Mar 07 19:21:13 TAsn: if that's what it had been advertised as. Mar 07 19:21:33 But hey, I've been in this argument so many times before. Mar 07 19:21:33 mwester, I don't need a car. Mar 07 19:21:36 What a waste of time. Mar 07 19:21:50 I just bought new bicycle! ;] Mar 07 19:21:55 mwester, it is. Mar 07 19:22:05 TAsn: MTB or Road? Mar 07 19:22:05 TAsn: enjoy your make-believe phone, and I'm happy that you are happy with it, and that you didn't expect anything you did not get. Mar 07 19:22:12 I agree they had plenty of bad choices in the past. Mar 07 19:22:23 PaulFert`, mountain Mar 07 19:22:38 mwester, I didn't expect the echo/buzz Mar 07 19:22:40 TAsn: but understand that others did purchase the device based on other representations by Openmoko, and that regardless of YOUR situation, those others DO have the right to be angry. Mar 07 19:22:44 i think OM shoudn't even advertise GTAXX as massmarket Mar 07 19:22:46 TAsn: what model? Mar 07 19:22:47 I expected to get a good gps Mar 07 19:22:54 accurate accelerometer Mar 07 19:22:59 s/even/ever/ Mar 07 19:22:59 dos1 meant: i think OM shoudn't ever advertise GTAXX as massmarket Mar 07 19:23:17 I didn't want the stupid panel to block the screen, but still, it's still good. I'm sad it's not perfect though it's not terrible. Mar 07 19:23:29 PaulFert`, company: haro Mar 07 19:23:33 model, I forgot. ;] Mar 07 19:23:44 if only they'll sell massmarket device, it won't be interesting for hackers Mar 07 19:23:52 TAsn: it's like saying i got a land rover. One can't say whether it's a car or a bicycle. Mar 07 19:24:06 re: battery life: iphone is only 5 hours of real use, GTA01 is 4. they might have us on suspend though :) Mar 07 19:24:18 and then openmoko will be open... but who cares about that then? Mar 07 19:24:23 PaulFert`, huh? I think I missed you there. ;] Mar 07 19:24:38 What upsets me about freerunner is only OM-the-company itself. I don't care that much about hardware or software bugs. Mar 07 19:24:51 PaulFert`: your are correct about that! Mar 07 19:24:57 PaulFert`, oh, you reminded me Mar 07 19:25:10 I'm fucking pissed about the wifi firmware. Mar 07 19:25:16 PaulFert`: if OM-the-company had been more forthcoming and honest, then I could even forgive the hardware bugs. Mar 07 19:25:20 that's one of my biggest disappointments. Mar 07 19:25:24 TAsn: Land rover is both some car models and a bicycle. Mar 07 19:25:32 PaulFert`, oh. Mar 07 19:25:33 ;] Mar 07 19:25:33 mwester: what phone would you suggest, that is more or less open, has 3g, good battery life and is not the t-mob g1 Mar 07 19:25:37 I didn't know that. Mar 07 19:25:43 [s] Mar 07 19:25:45 bumbl: none -- yet. Mar 07 19:25:55 mwester, got any plans? Mar 07 19:25:56 mwester: i'm glad we agree here Mar 07 19:25:58 bumbl: but the market is there, and one will show up. Mar 07 19:27:14 TAsn: yes. My plans are already in effect -- I am monitoring what is happening with the OM software to see if the devices I currently own will ever work at all, I have decided not to spend any more money on OM, and I am redirecting my software development efforts to other hardware. Mar 07 19:27:23 (but not phone hardware, yet.) Mar 07 19:27:42 mwester, ;[ Mar 07 19:27:44 an unlocked pimped (better battery life and various other hardware improvements) g1 with access to the app market i would buy Mar 07 19:27:51 too bad, you contributed a lot. ;] Mar 07 19:28:10 bumbl, nah. Mar 07 19:28:21 http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp <-=--- nothing to do with phones, but really really cool home mini-server, or home automation platform. Mar 07 19:28:23 it'll still lack the wicked power of real not raped linux. Mar 07 19:28:24 ;] Mar 07 19:28:58 mwester, yeah, this one is great. Mar 07 19:29:05 I saw it a couple of weeks ago Mar 07 19:29:47 ok, now, 30mins later than I wanted to, I'm leaving. Mar 07 19:30:06 DocScrutinizer, PaulFert`, gain, Thanks a lot. Mar 07 19:30:11 TAsn: you can use x11 apps with android via vnc Mar 07 19:30:15 s/gain/Again/ Mar 07 19:30:16 TAsn meant: DocScrutinizer, PaulFert`, Again, Thanks a lot. Mar 07 19:30:21 which is enough for my uses Mar 07 19:30:35 bumbl, that's not fun. Mar 07 19:30:53 anyhow, I really got to go, bye. Mar 07 19:31:36 any *simple* way to stop dropbear from asking for empty pw on ssh login? (simpler than copying authorized_keys) Mar 07 19:32:08 Nope. Mar 07 19:32:29 :-/ thnx anyway. expected that Mar 07 19:32:38 IIRC, it specifically disallows that :( Mar 07 19:33:43 (Somebody tried to convince me that was a security feature, but I just can't see how that adds any security, since it allows an empty password anyway) Mar 07 19:33:44 it's not the copying which is simple. But not everybody has a pubkey already generated Mar 07 19:34:04 Especially with a Windows client. Mar 07 19:34:13 mwester: yup, nonsense as usual Mar 07 19:34:16 (oops, I said a bad word!) Mar 07 19:35:06 hmm, I could provide a standard key pair Mar 07 19:35:37 user then copies private key to his PC Mar 07 19:36:12 :-D The security folks would howl! But that would work. Mar 07 19:36:17 or does anybody see any security issues with that? Mar 07 19:36:34 (howl) why? Mar 07 19:36:38 ;D Mar 07 19:37:20 While you're at it, share your private keys with us all :) Mar 07 19:37:28 lol Mar 07 19:37:51 If the user can get the private key, then the security will never be better than whatever protects access to the private key, which makes the key rather ineffective. Mar 07 19:37:54 wouldn't be that interesting at all Mar 07 19:38:35 mwester: it's at least as efective as an empty password ;) Mar 07 19:38:39 As long as the use-case was very specific, and the user was made aware that the private key is not really "private" (rather it is intended to avoid the password prompt), then it might be ok. Mar 07 19:38:42 :D Mar 07 19:39:03 almost as effective as my lab partner telling me about developing a rootkit for the freerunner Mar 07 19:39:10 And hopefully, the user doesn't import that private key overtop of their real one, and start using that as their private key... Mar 07 19:39:22 hahaha Mar 07 19:39:26 slick :P Mar 07 19:39:48 mwester: nah, U could advice ssh to use nonstandard key Mar 07 19:40:14 this way not endangering your real keys Mar 07 19:40:20 I must confess that I may have been tainted by a few years in the security field. So perhaps my discomfort is not warranted. Mar 07 19:40:39 In other words -- ignore me! :D Mar 07 19:40:47 k :) Mar 07 19:41:17 sure a decent patch for dropbear was the neater variant Mar 07 19:41:18 But yes, non-standard key location would avoid problems. Mar 07 19:41:23 Hmm... Mar 07 19:41:33 I wonder how hard such a dropbear patch would be? Mar 07 19:41:56 not that hard, once you got familiar with dropbear src Mar 07 19:42:03 anyway, must run off for a while to run a few errands. Mar 07 19:42:05 Later! Mar 07 19:42:11 cya Mar 07 19:42:45 * DocScrutinizer eliminating some huge heap of pasta now :D Mar 07 19:42:56 bye Mar 07 19:45:26 :D Mar 07 19:56:37 terve Mar 07 20:13:49 i can't undestand why openmoko changed moniker of gta03 Mar 07 20:14:49 dos1: I explained it earlier ;) Mar 07 20:15:19 * PaulFert` can't understand why the fuck they changed kernel when they decided on a "market" name. Mar 07 20:22:33 ~seen rwithby Mar 07 20:22:34 mrmoku: i haven't seen 'rwithby' Mar 07 20:23:22 PaulFert`: that's market name? Mar 07 20:23:31 om 3d7k? Mar 07 20:23:43 sounds like a robot Mar 07 20:23:53 star wars :x Mar 07 20:24:03 would fit the buzz.... Mar 07 20:24:04 in 2007.2 there was matrix theme (neo) Mar 07 20:24:09 my mom can't remember that Mar 07 20:24:26 stick with the matrix theme Mar 07 20:24:31 now there will be r2d2? :x Mar 07 20:24:38 dos1: yes. But they didn't have to change kernel sources after having decided on the name. Mar 07 20:24:46 i hope for god sake not Mar 07 20:25:09 PaulFert`: shitty name... yes, freerunner still has "gta02" in kernel, hasn't it? Mar 07 20:25:20 ok, it's a nerdy phone, but please have a cool name, Neo is cool, people remember that Mar 07 20:25:54 fredrin: gta03 nerdy? nah Mar 07 20:25:59 dos1: it has, that's why i think that spreading that stupid name all over the kernel is unnecessary. Mar 07 20:26:03 capacitive screen makes it non-nerdy :P Mar 07 20:26:18 PaulFert`: i think the same :P Mar 07 20:26:42 dos1: gta03 make sense for the internal people, but people that never have heard or seen the phone, don't care about that Mar 07 20:27:02 for who will be designed gta03? Mar 07 20:27:38 dos1: what do you mean? Mar 07 20:28:09 fredrin: gta01 and gta02 are for hackers Mar 07 20:28:13 I guess if the front end is easy enough, my mom could use it. Mar 07 20:28:32 gta03 isn't with capacitive screen Mar 07 20:28:55 fredrin: but i don't think your mum ever heard about openmoko (except from you :P) Mar 07 20:29:59 dos1, no, but when you show people the phone, they start to ask questions and if openmoko would create a brand for the the future, they should think about the branding. Mar 07 20:31:05 fredrin: but really, who will buy gta03? Mar 07 20:31:22 i don't except nerds, as they won't like capacitive screen Mar 07 20:31:45 i don't except your mum, as she has never heard about it Mar 07 20:32:01 and if not having wifi is true... Mar 07 20:32:12 dos1: eh, it depens on the software.... you can do what ever you want with it. Mar 07 20:32:21 fredrin: don't think so Mar 07 20:32:27 my whole family could use openmokos and I would do the support, hehe Mar 07 20:32:51 i'm happy user of gta02 Mar 07 20:32:56 but i really won't like gta03 Mar 07 20:33:01 me too Mar 07 20:33:04 for me better would be gta01 :P Mar 07 20:33:22 :) Mar 07 20:36:32 really, capacitive screen isn't way to go with phone for hackers Mar 07 20:40:15 dos1: some users really demanded a capacitve screen on mailing list :( Mar 07 20:40:41 bumbl: they will be disapointed i think :P Mar 07 20:40:47 <|Leto|> i have problems bitbaking linux-openmoko-2.6.28 in the shr-testing: http://dpaste.com/9090/ Mar 07 20:40:53 <|Leto|> any ideas? Mar 07 20:42:43 dos1: well (i advocate against capacitive screens) the only point i see are that gestures on a touch screen device can be very handy Mar 07 20:43:55 wow Mar 07 20:43:59 sweden is revolting Mar 07 20:44:25 bumbl: but with resistive screen it isn't so worse... Mar 07 20:44:29 bumbl: revolting? Mar 07 20:45:45 dos1: some people "demonstrated" against israeli politics in sweden and had a quarrel with the police (today sweden played against israel in daviscup) Mar 07 20:46:21 bumbl: what happens in sweden? Mar 07 20:46:58 the pics of the "riots" looked quite bad (e.g. a man staning on a police car trying to damage it) Mar 07 20:47:19 bumbl: but for what? Mar 07 20:49:03 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7930432.stm Mar 07 20:50:07 bumbl: it's just the anti-israel vs randoms/police Mar 07 20:50:24 mrmoku: how about building new e? Mar 07 20:51:31 dos1: almost finished :-) Mar 07 20:51:39 fredrin: yes but a excessive "young people vs. police" riot (the clip our local tv chan broadcasted looked like street war) Mar 07 20:51:51 mrmoku: i see there is something weird with python-elementary Mar 07 20:52:31 dos1: wait a second for the package-index... i had a typo in EFL_SRCEV :P Mar 07 20:52:41 bumbl: if it's something the sweds should riote about it's the economy, but that goes for almost the whole world, lol Mar 07 20:52:42 it is doing the (endless) testlab now Mar 07 20:52:55 after that package-index and then we can upgrade Mar 07 20:53:02 ok Mar 07 20:53:24 dos1: btw... I set python-elementary to the rev morphis said today Mar 07 20:53:42 yay, neew unstable! Mar 07 20:54:05 better than the last? Mar 07 20:54:08 mrmoku: 39406 worked for me; i see in logs 39407 failed; now there is 39408 Mar 07 20:54:10 lets see what broke now ;) Mar 07 20:54:17 fredrin: agreed Mar 07 20:54:32 dos1: worked in the sense of... you had icons? Mar 07 20:55:00 mrmoku: no, i said about python-elementary (worked - builded and shr-settings runed on it) Mar 07 20:55:16 ok... at least something that works again Mar 07 20:55:55 I finished teaching the Makefile about different OE branches Mar 07 20:56:02 have to do that for shr-overlay too now Mar 07 20:56:22 even if we want to get everything upstream... changes in the shr-overlay we do now for unstable Mar 07 20:56:29 cool (different branches) Mar 07 20:56:31 might break testing (which I do not want to) ;) Mar 07 20:56:50 mrmoku: but with new elementary shr-settings looks differently Mar 07 20:56:59 better or worse? Mar 07 20:57:01 thanks foor implementing Mar 07 20:57:18 dos1: scap? Mar 07 20:57:27 mrmoku: sometimes worse, sometimes better Mar 07 20:57:30 buttons are bigger Mar 07 20:57:36 and sometimes it's more finger usable Mar 07 20:57:43 eeek... don't want bigger buttons :P Mar 07 20:57:44 but sometimes there is so much scrolling Mar 07 20:58:07 mrmoku: on main screen buttons are as big as was :) Mar 07 20:58:14 so that's good Mar 07 20:58:27 isn't finger-width some configurable runtime option? Mar 07 20:58:34 (it's about ELM_FINGERSIZE introdused) Mar 07 20:58:37 i think so Mar 07 20:59:32 so, mrmoku can use, =smallpointyfinger and i use =sausage-sized Mar 07 21:00:42 * dos1 is for smallpointyfinger :D Mar 07 21:00:52 spaetz: well... my fingers are sausages too though... but with the nice styles from TAsn... Mar 07 21:01:14 :-) Mar 07 21:01:31 the cable thingy? Mar 07 21:01:53 "kiełbasa sausage"... ;]]]]] Mar 07 21:02:27 mrmoku, ;] Mar 07 21:02:49 I'm glad you like it. Mar 07 21:03:26 mrmoku, spread the word, even people with big fingers are people just like everyone else. (I also have thick fingers...) Mar 07 21:06:04 ok... package-index finished Mar 07 21:06:15 TAsn: yeah :-) Mar 07 21:06:21 * fredrin has sausages too, fat ones Mar 07 21:06:40 I built two styli... on is always in my jacket :-) Mar 07 21:06:43 +e Mar 07 21:06:59 i have small ones Mar 07 21:07:23 but the kbd should be modified Mar 07 21:07:23 BluesLee: well... even for small fingers the stylus from TAsn is great Mar 07 21:07:37 what stylus? Mar 07 21:07:58 BluesLee, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stylus_Alternatives#DIY Mar 07 21:09:20 thats the problem Mar 07 21:09:28 stylus in jacket ... Mar 07 21:09:40 we should use the hole Mar 07 21:09:55 I thought about wrapping it around the hole there. Mar 07 21:10:02 too much of a hassle though Mar 07 21:10:06 I just put it in my wallet ;] Mar 07 21:10:24 well ppl, I'm out. Mar 07 21:10:47 cu TAsn Mar 07 21:10:57 bye Mar 07 21:11:04 see ya Mar 07 21:11:47 mrmoku: is e-wm-utils builded for new EFLSRV_REV? Mar 07 21:12:30 dos1: should be... no? Mar 07 21:12:51 mrmoku: no no, i'm only asking as i remember there was patch for disabling that dependency Mar 07 21:13:08 hmm... Mar 07 21:13:10 * mrmoku checks Mar 07 21:13:26 mmh Mar 07 21:14:25 uuuhhh... dos1 ... that might just be the reason for the missing icons :P Mar 07 21:14:35 mrmoku: how would we now apply patches to unstable but not testing? Mar 07 21:14:40 I always just have machsticks in my pockets :) Works well too Mar 07 21:14:45 spaetz: with branches? :D Mar 07 21:14:50 (or remove a patch) Mar 07 21:14:58 as styluses or toothpicks Mar 07 21:15:09 mrmoku: agsasgasas, i'm an icon hero! Mar 07 21:15:10 :D Mar 07 21:15:15 (maybe :x) Mar 07 21:15:32 dos1: yay for thinking of that Mar 07 21:15:59 deserves a special blog post, honoring you Mar 07 21:16:12 ^^" Mar 07 21:16:17 it might just be that. Mar 07 21:16:32 e-wm-utils Mar 07 21:17:12 so now can someone take a look on non-building locales for shr-settings? :D Mar 07 21:18:30 * mrmoku forgot about that patch but remembers raster saying that one of the things e-wm-utils does is some icon stuff :P Mar 07 21:18:48 right Mar 07 21:18:59 remember that too Mar 07 21:19:32 * dos1 doesn't remember that, but remembers about that patch :D Mar 07 21:20:01 * mrmoku thinks that this is the reason why teamwork rules :D Mar 07 21:22:05 how do we want to handle the 'building breaks updating' issue? Mar 07 21:22:10 mrmoku: failed? Mar 07 21:22:32 * mrmoku wonders if dos1 is watching tinderbox Mar 07 21:22:52 mrmoku: yes, tinderbox is good thing :D Mar 07 21:23:03 do we have a tinderbox? Mar 07 21:23:13 yep Mar 07 21:23:19 spaetz: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/ Mar 07 21:23:22 i have tinderbox too :D Mar 07 21:23:28 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/openmoko.opendevice.org/ Mar 07 21:23:37 ahh, didn't know. cool Mar 07 21:23:59 * spaetz checks if there is a link from shr wiki Mar 07 21:25:10 hehe... no need to build it... it just does not get included in the image (with that patch) Mar 07 21:25:55 hmm... no :( Mar 07 21:26:28 it was until I did bitbake -c clean e-wm ;) Mar 07 21:26:35 (rebuilding) Mar 07 21:26:38 :D Mar 07 21:29:07 mrmoku, spaetz: i'm confirming, icons work now :) Mar 07 21:29:33 YAY! /me updates unstable Mar 07 21:29:51 spaetz: opkg install e-wm-utils ;) Mar 07 21:30:17 Kudos to dos1 ! :) Mar 07 21:30:19 thanks Mar 07 21:30:23 yep... can confirm that too... and the sysconf menu is back too :D Mar 07 21:30:25 * spaetz prepares blog post Mar 07 21:31:13 hehe and CPU is back up again too ;D Mar 07 21:31:55 how to remove mplayer icon? :x Mar 07 21:32:04 ahh.. and my .desktop move trick still works :-) Mar 07 21:33:16 and now instead blank icon there is shit of paper :D Mar 07 21:33:41 mrmoku: but looks like e-wm-theme-illume-shr needs updating Mar 07 21:34:00 buttons looks differently when pressed Mar 07 21:34:43 and it feels faster Mar 07 21:36:00 http://blog.shr-project.org/2009/03/unbreaking-news-for-shr.html Mar 07 21:36:13 :-) Mar 07 21:36:37 ^^" Mar 07 21:37:08 * mrmoku wonders if dos1 is getting red now ;P Mar 07 21:38:20 I added branches for shr to the Makefile... have to test it still though Mar 07 21:38:36 will do that tomorrow morning and add a branch to the overlay Mar 07 21:38:56 and after that I want to switch to mdev :P Mar 07 21:38:59 ok, so do we need to checkout a different branch of the makefile for unstabel vs testing now? Mar 07 21:39:03 (surely that will break something ;) Mar 07 21:39:03 MDEV! Mar 07 21:39:18 even more good news Mar 07 21:39:23 spaetz: no... different branch of shr-overlay Mar 07 21:39:30 ahh, k Mar 07 21:39:43 Makefile has just one branch... if you do make setup it will not just link the toplevel shr Mar 07 21:39:54 our git web interface doesn't show branches, I think. Mar 07 21:39:54 as it did until now... instead it will checkout different branches Mar 07 21:40:10 cgit.openembedded. has a nice branch selector Mar 07 21:40:58 well... maybe because we have now branches? Mar 07 21:41:21 s/now/no/ Mar 07 21:41:21 mrmoku meant: well... maybe because we have no branches? Mar 07 21:41:29 (which is quite different :-) Mar 07 21:41:43 :) that might explain it Mar 07 21:43:44 spaetz: look again now :-) Mar 07 21:44:01 (though I pushed my mrmoku branch which I did not want to :P Mar 07 21:46:29 anyway... I'm off for today... tomorrow I will test and then push my Makefile changes Mar 07 21:46:46 and write instructions about what to change (without doing make setup) to make it work Mar 07 21:46:50 to the ML Mar 07 21:47:19 still don't see a branch selector in the web interface Mar 07 21:47:27 but then I might jsut be too tired :-) Mar 07 21:47:30 dos1: my hero... icon saver :-) Mar 07 21:47:47 thanks for the great work, the 2 of you Mar 07 21:47:47 have to select the repo... click on shr-overlay and on the bottom you see the branches Mar 07 21:48:01 mmh, will look, thanks Mar 07 21:48:10 ok, i removed mplayer :D Mar 07 21:48:19 it was in /home/root/.local/share/applications/ Mar 07 21:48:22 ahh, I see it now Mar 07 21:48:25 cool Mar 07 21:48:38 the mrmoku branch :) Mar 07 21:52:01 i'm building task-openmoko-feed on my server; if someone is interested in some packages from that - http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/ Mar 07 21:52:09 it's shr-unstable ;) Mar 07 21:57:40 DOS DOS DOS Mar 07 21:58:00 Denial-Of-Service? Mar 07 22:11:39 mmh, python-elementary Lists are still not working Mar 07 22:11:44 much closer though. Mar 07 22:11:45 AttributeError: 'elementary.c_elementary.ListItem' object has no attribute 'itme' Mar 07 22:12:10 seems to be some typo (which looks fixed in e-svn) Mar 07 22:21:44 spaetz: with that fix it still doesn't work Mar 07 22:21:49 ok, have to go Mar 07 22:21:51 bye Mar 07 22:21:56 night Mar 07 22:22:02 me too Mar 07 22:25:49 SPATZ Mar 07 22:27:19 DAVE Mar 07 22:27:22 * spaetz sleeps Mar 07 22:40:19 :) Mar 07 22:43:56 mrmoku, is everything still working on unstable after doing the "opkg install e-wm-utils" ? Mar 07 22:44:53 we are all sleeping already. But yes, apart from the e-eats-cpu-liek-crazy issue. everything seems to work just fine Mar 07 22:44:57 night Mar 07 22:45:02 * spaetz is really away now Mar 07 23:28:59 I've the unstable image from 28, do I've to reflash to get the day 7th one or it's ok to opkg upgrade? Mar 07 23:56:19 PaulFert`: U remember the funny issue "alsactl restore wakes screen from suspend"? gues which (two) controls do the same when changing them in alsamixer Mar 07 23:57:59 Sharwin_F try first upgrading, I had an self compiled image and upgrading was OK. Mar 07 23:58:35 von_fritz, yes, It works... at least system part, haven't tried GSM part Mar 08 00:00:06 PaulFert`: btw this one without X, so it has to be sth more basic Mar 08 00:00:59 maybe some IRQ from 8753? Mar 08 00:01:37 logread didn't give me a clue Mar 08 00:04:33 is it possible to use qt extended (qtopia) for cross compiling to the openmoko. is it available in the OM-dist? Mar 08 00:04:37 was the alarm problem fixed by the time shr-unstable moved to shr-testing? Mar 08 00:04:46 is it still broken in both? Mar 08 00:06:49 evening, are there any folks who use python and dbus iabout? Mar 08 00:07:01 s/iabout/about Mar 08 01:55:19 The Doctor is In. Mar 08 01:57:08 is SDL available on OM-dist? Mar 08 02:10:11 Dave: nah, I always acted anticyclic and avoided In/Out hunting ;-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 08 02:59:57 2009