**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 10 02:59:57 2009 Mar 10 04:20:53 Sargun. Mar 10 04:21:01 dave Mar 10 04:24:59 Yes Mar 10 05:32:46 aha. reading include/asm-i386/processor.h restored my sanity. Mar 10 06:40:05 lpotter: Hello :) Can you please explain one your mailing list post where you say that Bluetooth will never work properly on GTA01? Mar 10 06:42:15 lpotter: this one: http://markmail.org/message/dlti2ldnhcsskw23 Mar 10 06:53:36 Ainulindale: Li Yong on the kernel mailing list says RNDIS worked for him after he replaced usb/gadget directory with the one from .26. So that's probably a good opportunity for bisecting. Mar 10 07:49:46 *yawn* Mar 10 07:50:35 PaulFert`: ljp not that responsive, eh? Mar 10 07:51:09 DocScrutinizer: I guess he's busy at work and didn't see my previous pings. Mar 10 07:51:31 morning Mar 10 07:51:57 *cough* Mar 10 07:53:25 mmh, linux-openmoko failed Mar 10 07:55:34 DocScrutinizer: mirko-paroli is teaching me how to treat people fairly, i should assume they are all non-evil (with good intentions) unless _really_ proven otherwise. I'm thinking about it lately again, no kidding. Mar 10 07:55:56 lol Mar 10 07:56:07 yeah he's right Mar 10 07:56:41 at least it makes live easier (and nicer) Mar 10 07:57:29 though at 08:55 in the morning I'm not inclined to ponder this ;-> Mar 10 07:58:31 spaetz: probably unless the person you trusted appears to be bad in the end... I'm still not sure, that's too religious/philosophycal to have a definite answer. Mar 10 08:02:36 Also some people tend to misrepresent themselves, causing bias in perception by some unrelated emotional thing. E.g. when i see a girl in a fur coat, i'm already against her, though she's probably did much more good than me. Mar 10 08:04:04 :-) Mar 10 08:05:45 The same when i see a person defending (directly or indirectly) "OM's ui design department". Mar 10 08:05:57 :) Mar 10 08:06:15 I like orange Mar 10 08:06:29 PaulFert`: seems you're in the mood to write "Neo-UeberIch" for the ones needing guidance ;-D Mar 10 08:06:40 I see you point. Still I find that live is much more agreeable if you assume people are nice Mar 10 08:07:19 which doesn't imply trusting everyone naively Mar 10 08:07:36 * spaetz needs a cup of coffee before doing philosophy. Mar 10 08:07:56 * DocScrutinizer acks on that Mar 10 08:09:18 but first I need my 30min coughing, otherwise drinking coffee is no fun Mar 10 08:10:16 hehe Mar 10 08:10:27 * spaetz diagnoses too many cigarettes Mar 10 08:11:01 DocScrutinizer: i sometimes think i shouldn't give anybody any kind of guidance because though it seems to me that the way i propose is "true", it somehow makes me sad far too often, and i don't want the same to happen for other people... Mar 10 08:11:05 yup, and cronic flu made things much worse Mar 10 08:11:39 outch, no fun. I had my 4 weeks of flu ths year already. Know how it feels Mar 10 08:11:42 * PaulFert` is also not fluent in Freud terminology Mar 10 08:12:24 PaulFert`: curse of the intelectuals Mar 10 08:14:03 DocScrutinizer: or in more ironic interpretation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woe_from_Wit Mar 10 08:33:56 ok, forgot my FR at home. Won't be able to do anything on it today... Mar 10 08:35:00 spaetz: tztztz Mar 10 08:35:14 :) Mar 10 08:35:35 remote login? Mar 10 08:45:32 now, if I had left wifi on and the FR on power... :-) Mar 10 08:47:26 is that QEMU FR emulator any good? Mar 10 08:53:34 never used it Mar 10 08:54:43 think it doesn't emulate the calypso at least (which was a mission impossible after all ;D ) Mar 10 08:56:55 hehe, I guess so Mar 10 08:57:09 * DocScrutinizer remembers how three guys from all over the world logged in to a FR located TPE to debug a problem ;D Mar 10 08:57:17 :) Mar 10 08:57:29 remote X? Mar 10 08:57:37 to TPE? Mar 10 08:57:39 nope Mar 10 08:57:44 console Mar 10 08:57:46 ahh, ok. Mar 10 08:59:22 echo "hi there"|write root pts2 Mar 10 09:01:54 spaetz: btw X couldn't manage multiple remote connections Mar 10 09:03:43 I see Mar 10 09:18:12 freaking angstrom-distribution.org seems more down than up. I can't download stuff Mar 10 09:26:37 DocScrutinizer: YOU ARE JOERG, RIGHT? Mar 10 09:26:42 oops caps-lock Mar 10 09:27:02 nice pictures for the hardware gsm buzz fix with a microscope Mar 10 09:27:03 where's bzzbot??? Mar 10 09:27:16 on the support and community mailing lists Mar 10 09:27:47 duh? pointer? Mar 10 09:28:01 i find the images used in the Mar 10 09:28:01 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Mar 10 09:28:01 quite rather _small_ therefore please find some of my pictures done via Mar 10 09:28:01 microscope here: http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/A Mar 10 09:28:21 ahh ok Mar 10 09:28:30 subject rework, sender Petr Vanek Mar 10 09:29:14 hmm, nonprintable chars :-/ Mar 10 09:29:16 ignore the stuff after .../SOP/ Mar 10 09:29:20 pasting error Mar 10 09:29:21 k Mar 10 09:30:02 he states: Please feel free to use them to improve your manual. Mar 10 09:31:04 wooohoooo! what a freaky way to place the C :-)) Mar 10 09:36:18 great Mar 10 09:37:43 still I would not recommend this way for SOP Mar 10 09:38:43 needs even more soldering skills than standard way Mar 10 09:39:26 and there's a lot more failure possibilities in this placement of C Mar 10 09:40:31 also due to not placed flat on PCB surface C easily can break on mechanical force, e.g. when closing case Mar 10 09:41:49 nevertheless for the really savy this probably is optimum way from EE pov - short (no) wires Mar 10 09:43:46 well, for improved ruggednes I had soldered the C to *both* pads Mar 10 09:44:12 on http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/tn/p1010034.jpg.html Mar 10 09:45:02 and maybe place a small drop of 2k-glue under the C Mar 10 09:46:32 spaetz: many thanks for pointing me to this Mar 10 09:46:47 it's really cute Mar 10 09:48:10 spaetz: could you point me to a mail or sth stating those pics are free of (C) Mar 10 09:48:33 DocScrutinizer: hi what iron are you using? Mar 10 09:48:37 I tried yesterday to solder on a cap using a 0.4 mm tip on a weller tcp. Mar 10 09:48:41 so I could use them to improve SOP Mar 10 09:48:44 It is very tricky Mar 10 09:49:03 yup Mar 10 09:49:12 I know Mar 10 09:49:42 basically special flux is most important Mar 10 09:50:53 anttna_: I'm trying to find best soldering tip myself. not satisfied by the ones I tested so far Mar 10 09:51:35 * anttna_ wants to know if hardware topics are ok here Mar 10 09:51:43 I've only just joined Mar 10 09:52:26 is it the right place to ask for support about SHR? Mar 10 09:52:30 humm, would think yes they are ok here Mar 10 09:52:35 DocScrutinizer: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2009-March/004914.html Mar 10 09:52:54 ahh, ok. many thanks Mar 10 09:53:47 DocScrutinizer: I find it difficult to keep the tip clean (wetted) when using leadfree solder Mar 10 09:54:02 KaZeR: Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mar 10 09:54:25 KaZeR: from the header on #openmoko Mar 10 09:54:49 anttna_, thanks. then #openmoko is probably a better place Mar 10 09:57:34 spaetz: instead of 2k2 a 2 pcs 80R are used??? huh? Mar 10 09:58:31 KaZeR: well... questions about SHR are welcome here too :-) Mar 10 09:59:00 good :) Mar 10 09:59:08 Xglamo is eating 96% of cpu.. Mar 10 09:59:43 huh? we have e eating 30% of cpu... but xglamo eating 96%... Mar 10 09:59:51 DocScrutinizer: it's not my description, I have no clue what happened. :-) But that reads like a typo Mar 10 10:00:07 yup Mar 10 10:00:23 mrmoku`, any tip about this Xglamo issue? Mar 10 10:00:36 (e : 4%) Mar 10 10:00:37 KaZeR: you're using shr-unstable from shr-project.org? Mar 10 10:00:44 mrmoku`, testing Mar 10 10:01:15 KaZeR: hmm... what apps are running? or just without doing nothing it consumes 96%? Mar 10 10:02:54 http://pastebin.com/d375ec58d -> broken openmoko-messages? Mar 10 10:03:21 mmm, nop, process isn't there anymore.. Mar 10 10:03:49 well the rework itself is cool. all the description is kinda freaky. I don't follow a single point in there Mar 10 10:04:05 KaZeR: hmmm.. one problem I see is speech-dispatcher... it will bork audio on resume... you should de-install it Mar 10 10:04:15 opkg -foce-depends remove speech-dispatcher Mar 10 10:04:26 mrmoku`: does Xglamo stop using cpu time if e disconnects? Mar 10 10:04:29 speech-dispatcher IIRC Mar 10 10:04:50 we should modify it to stop using pulse Mar 10 10:05:41 pulse is EVIL Mar 10 10:05:59 mrmoku`, ok thanks, speech-dispatcher uninstalled Mar 10 10:06:09 KaZeR: have too reboot now :-) Mar 10 10:06:20 already rebooting :) Mar 10 10:06:34 DocScrutinizer: so are you :-) Mar 10 10:06:48 :P blaaaah Mar 10 10:07:12 how's life? Mar 10 10:07:24 hehe Mar 10 10:07:48 got up too early today ;-) Mar 10 10:07:54 mwester-road: you should drive, not be on IRC Mar 10 10:07:59 DocScrutinizer: meh Mar 10 10:08:05 So did I Mar 10 10:08:14 9AM is far too early Mar 10 10:08:22 (given that I played cards all night) Mar 10 10:09:30 lindi-: well... I did not have that problem :P Mar 10 10:09:53 could someone explain to me where's the breakage of D4301 the OP of http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2009-March/004914.html claims to see? Mar 10 10:10:36 it's ill aligned, ok. still it looks ok Mar 10 10:49:40 DocScrutinizer: spaetz: instead of 2k2 a 2 pcs 80R are used??? huh? It says 800R in an A shape - which is why there is a spot of solder where the R should be seen on photo 34 Mar 10 10:50:32 yup Mar 10 10:50:57 though, what's "A shape"??? Mar 10 10:50:58 DocScrutinizer: so looking from the side at the 2 R in series it would look like /\ Mar 10 10:51:16 i suppose Mar 10 10:51:21 so that the 2 R can fit in the footprint of 1 R Mar 10 10:51:53 it is a bit strange to put that in an otherwise clear set of photos Mar 10 11:00:17 yay.. Xgalmo : 94.2% cpu Mar 10 11:01:24 mrmoku, http://pastebin.com/d6ffa6d66 Mar 10 11:01:46 KaZeR: did that happen after resume? Mar 10 11:03:09 lindi-, mmm yes. i rebooted the phone, launched an opkg upgrade, let it run. phone was hanged. i unplugged the usb cable, it came back to life Mar 10 11:03:38 on the shell, i got a 'killed' message on my opkg upgrade Mar 10 11:04:36 KaZeR: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2126 Mar 10 11:04:55 thanks link Mar 10 11:04:57 erf Mar 10 11:05:00 thanks lindi- Mar 10 11:07:25 KaZeR: adding "sleep 4" helps here Mar 10 11:08:01 anttna_: recommended SOP still unchanged ;-) Mar 10 11:11:48 though I have to admit results (i.e. mic sensitivity) might improve with meddling with the 2k2 recommended. That's not been tested completely. so maybe 1k6 yields even better results Mar 10 11:13:16 k, bbl Mar 10 11:41:41 lindi-, thanks Mar 10 11:45:20 lindi-, the file to edit is /usr/bin/frameworkd, right? Mar 10 11:45:31 KaZeR: nope Mar 10 11:45:43 KaZeR: i need to sleep 4 before calling Resume Mar 10 11:46:39 i got that part, but don't see where to apply it Mar 10 11:46:52 the ticket says frameworkd source code.. Mar 10 11:51:00 KaZeR: ah yeah it depends on how you are using frameworkd Mar 10 11:51:32 shr-testing ? Mar 10 11:52:36 KaZeR: i don't know that distro Mar 10 11:55:49 ok thanks anyway Mar 10 11:55:55 Hello all. I would like to know if it is possible to control a part of the GSM module. I would like to control which Cell IDs the phone would connect to. Mar 10 11:55:59 Is that possible? Mar 10 11:56:38 HumpBack: i somehow doubt that Mar 10 11:56:44 HumpBack: you can select operator of course Mar 10 12:45:14 damn this xglamo eating cpu bug makes the phone unusable. it only happens since this morning (i flashed on sunday). can someone from the shr team help me? Mar 10 12:45:58 KaZeR: does adding sleep after apm -s help? Mar 10 12:51:31 lindi-: what frameworkd version are you using? on shr it is doing 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' me thinks... Mar 10 12:56:12 KaZeR: and it happens repeatable after resume? Mar 10 12:57:43 lindi-: looking at your status report it would be ceef20a8780e2abc96d4f68e49ffb11fd208a0e7 ... Mar 10 12:59:37 lindi-, i haven't found yet where to apply the patch Mar 10 12:59:46 mrmoku, repeatble is the word, yes :) Mar 10 13:01:03 * mrmoku can find no relevant os.system in framework source... Mar 10 13:01:34 mrmoku: grep for power/state Mar 10 13:01:56 PaulFert`: yeah... I found the place where frameworkd is doing the suspend (me thinks) Mar 10 13:02:11 subsystems/ousaged/generic.py line 109 Mar 10 13:03:04 KaZeR: if you know how to sleep 4 secs in python you could stuff that after the Good Morning in line 112 Mar 10 13:04:43 PaulFert`: correct place? Mar 10 13:05:16 mrmoku: afaik yes :) Mar 10 13:06:14 can someone tell me a lil bit about the bootprocess of the freerunner? Mar 10 13:10:48 anybody else failing to get a gps fix with tangogps (while openmoko-agpsui does work)? Mar 10 13:10:56 on shr-testing Mar 10 13:12:43 Zorkman: install zhone and use that to test GPS Mar 10 13:12:57 ok Mar 10 13:13:18 Zorkman, i got a fix in a dozen of seconds this morning. Mar 10 13:13:22 openmoko-agpsui and frameworkd are incompatible, you shouldn't use both at the same time. Mar 10 13:13:22 (shr-testing) Mar 10 13:13:43 PaulFert`: but the fact is that when using agpsui i DO get a fix, but not with tango Mar 10 13:13:45 Zorkman: Zhone presents a nice pane with detailed gps information Mar 10 13:13:47 even when feeding agps info Mar 10 13:13:54 i will look into it Mar 10 13:14:09 (i won't break anything by installing zhone?, gsm-wise?) Mar 10 13:14:19 mrmoku, what is the exact path of the file? Mar 10 13:14:32 Zorkman: i don't think so. Think of it as an alternative dialer. Mar 10 13:14:34 Zorkman: that is quite logical... agpsui blocks fso-gpsd... and tango is talking to fso-gpsd Mar 10 13:14:45 mrmoku: i test seperatly Mar 10 13:14:49 not running both at the same time Mar 10 13:14:59 and i can't find zhone in the shr testing repo's... Mar 10 13:15:28 KaZeR: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/frameworkd/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py Mar 10 13:15:37 (out of memory.. might have some typo somehwere ;) Mar 10 13:16:16 Zorkman: no zhone in SHR... you can install the package from FSO though.. should remove the xsession script then Mar 10 13:16:19 I'm currently inside, but when i use openmoko-agpsui, after getting agps info i get the current time after 1-2seconds; when using tangogps i don't even get the time Mar 10 13:16:56 Zorkman: frameworkd takes its time for the first fix (at least for me) after the first fix it gets the fix quite fasyt Mar 10 13:17:00 -y Mar 10 13:17:00 tokans mrmoku Mar 10 13:17:28 Zorkman: if you've never had a fix with frameworkd, it make take 5-10 minutes even. Mar 10 13:17:36 Zorkman: because almanac is not available. Mar 10 13:17:56 PaulFert`: i feed it agps information from ublox Mar 10 13:18:04 PaulFert`: I'm wondering how agpsui does it... Mar 10 13:18:06 it gets info about 12 sattelites Mar 10 13:18:13 but it can't get the gps time Mar 10 13:18:27 Zorkman: after you turn ublox off (by closing agpsui), it loses all the info. Mar 10 13:18:34 i know Mar 10 13:18:40 i "re-feed" it to tangogps Mar 10 13:18:54 How? Mar 10 13:19:08 Zorkman: writing to the gps device? that would be wrong also IIRC Mar 10 13:19:40 PaulFert`: by running the agps program from opkg.org, modified with my login and gps coordinates Mar 10 13:19:47 hey there, I'm trying to bitbake -c loudmouth. It hangs with "no repo" trying to connect to angstrom-distribution.org. Is there a mirror around somewhere? Mar 10 13:20:41 Zorkman: after you start tangogps, it tries to connect to gpsd, that's fso-gpsd by default on SHR, fso-gpsd connects to frameworkd, it grabs the port etc. You can't feed any data that way! Mar 10 13:21:05 mrmoku, in fact this cpu hog seems to happen only when i run opkg upgrade.. this is really weird Mar 10 13:21:08 so there is no way to use assisted gps on frameworkd at the moment?? Mar 10 13:21:24 KaZeR: updating from where to where? Mar 10 13:21:40 Zorkman: fully assisted -- no. Loading previously saved (from ublox) almanac and ephemeris works. Mar 10 13:22:23 so no point in using the u-blox server? Mar 10 13:22:32 too bad, because this really speeds things up Mar 10 13:22:49 Zorkman: will come one day me thinks... Mar 10 13:22:50 mrmoku, only navit has to be upgraded Mar 10 13:22:56 Zorkman: currently, no. But improvements are welcome. Mar 10 13:23:30 KaZeR: ahh.. yeah you said you flashed sunday :) hmmm Mar 10 13:23:39 PaulFert`: if i could code, i surely would :( anyway, thanks for the info Mar 10 13:23:53 you're doing it via wifi and it does not finish? Mar 10 13:23:58 btw: the saved almanac, ephemerides info is that saved in the ogpsd.pickle file? Mar 10 13:24:05 Zorkman: yes Mar 10 13:24:11 or does it suspend while going along (which would surprise me with just one package to upgrade) Mar 10 13:24:23 richy: no angstrom seems down Mar 10 13:24:35 so best to remove it maybe if I try t get a gps fix more than for example a day i got the previous fix? Mar 10 13:25:02 Zorkman: no, almanac is still correct and ephemeris don't hurt, they're discarded automatically by the chip, i think. Mar 10 13:25:08 mrmoku, i'm doing it via usb networking Mar 10 13:25:10 aha Mar 10 13:25:14 thanks for that info Mar 10 13:25:16 opkg eats 81% pcu and 53% mem Mar 10 13:25:18 Zorkman: if you feed it agps data you occupy the serial port, right? Mar 10 13:25:20 Zorkman: but ensure proper system time before trying to obtain a fix. Mar 10 13:25:26 spaetz: yes Mar 10 13:25:38 frameworkd (and therefore fso-gspd) won't be able to connect at the same time Mar 10 13:25:53 and will not automatically reconnect after you stopped using the serial port Mar 10 13:26:13 so I am not surprised you don't get a tangogps fix after you accessed the serial device Mar 10 13:26:39 KaZeR: and then it hangs and xglamo takes the cpu? or is it opkg now? Mar 10 13:27:01 and don't ask me why 2 process cannot read from that port simultanously, I don't know nothing about that GPS :) Mar 10 13:27:06 mrmoku, the guy I answered in the ML won't leave me alone! ;] he keeps sending mail directly to me and not to the list ;[ Mar 10 13:27:13 spaetz, ok, so I guess I have to wait a little bit Mar 10 13:27:50 TAsn: ouch :( tell him to go on list... or ignore him ;) Mar 10 13:27:58 add him to your killfile :P Mar 10 13:28:06 mrmoku, I already told him twice. ;[ Mar 10 13:28:11 mrmoku, hard to tell. XGlamo doesn't eat cpu right now, onlyu opkg. but when opkg will die, xglamo will come back Mar 10 13:28:13 he did opkg upgrade from opkg.org ;\ Mar 10 13:28:13 tasn, about that fastscaling stuff? Mar 10 13:28:18 spaetz, aye. Mar 10 13:28:29 KaZeR: but before starting opkg everything is normal? Mar 10 13:28:32 just ignore him, you explained it very well and politely Mar 10 13:28:36 here we go. opkg died, load is 12.35, xglamo is 92.3% cpu Mar 10 13:28:45 mrmoku, i'm rebooting to double check Mar 10 13:29:03 spaetz, he has another issue, he opkg upgraded from opkg.org, i tried to explain that that's not a good behavior, I hope he got that ;][ Mar 10 13:29:38 entering unsupported terrain then. Mar 10 13:29:51 that's exactly what I told him. Mar 10 13:30:01 * mrmoku wonders if somebody should either fix or wipe opkg :( Mar 10 13:30:05 we should add a "voids warranty if used" label to opkg.org :) Mar 10 13:30:20 spaetz, mrmoku, ++! (and lol!) Mar 10 13:30:39 well actually i was talking about opkg the binary and not the repo :P Mar 10 13:30:51 * KaZeR may have installed packages from opkg.org :) Mar 10 13:30:59 ouch :-) Mar 10 13:31:17 mrmoku, I actually agree. Mar 10 13:31:21 it's terrible atm. Mar 10 13:31:24 +b KaZeR!*@* Mar 10 13:31:27 ;) Mar 10 13:31:30 * spaetz puts a "warranty void" stamp on KaZeR's FR Mar 10 13:31:41 opkg seems quite fragile, yep Mar 10 13:31:59 TAsn: ahh... another idea... if he still sends you mails... forward them to PaulFert` - he will find the right words ;) Mar 10 13:32:35 Yeah! Mar 10 13:32:47 spaetz, it's terrible, I encountered many bugs. why don't we move to a more stable package management tool? Mar 10 13:32:51 mrmoku, will do. Mar 10 13:33:07 TAsn: N800 uses .deb and apt Mar 10 13:33:45 I just don't know anything about package management, just a user Mar 10 13:34:11 spaetz, shouldn't be that hard to switch. Mar 10 13:34:17 I thought ipkg was kind of stable, I mean openwrt and others use it for years. Mar 10 13:34:23 I mean, shouldn't be hard at all. Mar 10 13:34:30 TAsn: OE has to support it... Mar 10 13:34:35 spaetz, from what I hear it's not actively developed. Mar 10 13:34:43 TAsn: no clue. sentences that start with "it shouldn't be hard to" make me usually cringe Mar 10 13:34:45 mrmoku, makeinstall Mar 10 13:34:48 ... and cry Mar 10 13:34:53 I bet we can hack OE to support it. Mar 10 13:35:05 makeinstall? Mar 10 13:35:44 mrmoku, I mean the way you make packages for normal distros Mar 10 13:35:59 just change the do_package OE routine Mar 10 13:36:07 to make the package in the wanted way. Mar 10 13:36:27 it's only make install to a temp dir Mar 10 13:36:35 and making the package structure Mar 10 13:36:54 iirc ipk's are just .deb files with a different name Mar 10 13:37:19 TAsn: manual states: The package_write task is responsible for taking each packages subdirectory and creating any actual Mar 10 13:37:22 installation package, such as .ipk, .deb or .rpm. Currently .ipk is the only fully supported packing Mar 10 13:37:25 format although .deb packages are being actively worked on. Mar 10 13:37:41 spaetz, well, that's great! Mar 10 13:38:29 TAsn: ahh... normal distros... you mean something like 'rpmbuild --rebuild -ba' then :P Mar 10 13:38:46 mrmoku, yeah. Mar 10 13:40:00 spaetz, not cool ;) Mar 10 13:42:18 mrmoku: seen Helge Hafting mail? Preventing suspend/dim from shr-settings is fragile too Mar 10 13:42:39 I guess that reference counting via ophonekitd might be at fault :) Mar 10 13:43:19 not necessarily ophonekitd's fault though, perhaps just the way shr-settings uses it. Mar 10 13:43:37 * spaetz is still for simply setting the ResourcePolicy with those sliders Mar 10 13:46:56 PaulFert`, I remember you told me I can't channel two completely different stuff in the two different channels of the capture mux, is this true? (just wondering) I can't channel the mic through the right side and the gsm call on the other? Mar 10 13:47:21 TAsn: i think i told you you can :) Mar 10 13:47:51 cool. ;] Mar 10 13:48:10 TAsn: just look at the routing diagram and you'll see all possibilities. Mar 10 13:48:17 spaetz: problem is... shr-settings has no way to find out how many users have requested a resource... Mar 10 13:48:18 cool ;] Mar 10 13:48:28 so releasing once is not always enough Mar 10 13:48:53 mrmoku, isn't there a ref count? Mar 10 13:48:53 mrmoku: why? if the sliders simply set the ResourcePolicy to "enabled" or "auto" all would be well Mar 10 13:49:16 spaetz: was talking about how it is now... with Request/ReleaseResource Mar 10 13:49:34 TAsn: in ophonektid yeah... for users that requested via ophonekitd Mar 10 13:49:48 mrmoku, I'm talking about frameworkd. Mar 10 13:49:52 and then there might also be other users that request the resource directly from frameworkd Mar 10 13:50:25 TAsn: well... it definitely has more than just a ref count ;) it is keeping a list of dbus clients Mar 10 13:50:44 and if all dbus-clients that requested a resource disappeared... the resource will be released Mar 10 13:50:52 (or if all clients released it manually) Mar 10 13:51:36 spaetz: hmm... initially I did not like the idea to set the Policy... feels wrong... but you might be right Mar 10 13:51:44 for the settings app it might be the only way to go Mar 10 13:52:25 thing is that those sliders should work independent of the number of users Mar 10 13:52:35 so that is clearly what the policy settings does Mar 10 13:53:00 a bt pairing ui in the settings would also be nice :) Mar 10 13:53:02 even if you set the policy back to "auto" it will (hopefully) just fall back to the current number of users and do the right thing Mar 10 13:54:15 Zorkman: yeah... we have to bug does for bt pairing and gps info :-) Mar 10 13:54:23 * mrmoku is waiting for dos1 to appear ;) Mar 10 13:54:37 PaulFert`, then just one thing I can't get from the diagram, which of this two: RXP OR LINE1/2 is gsm in? Mar 10 13:54:39 do we want to show GPS info in shr-settings? Mar 10 13:54:46 mmh, would be quite cool, yes Mar 10 13:55:05 spaetz: well we were talking about integrating the zhone gps code int shr-settings yesterday :D Mar 10 13:55:22 ahh, k. never used zhone, so I don't know what it displays Mar 10 13:55:28 are there screenshots? Mar 10 13:55:56 spaetz: don't know, but it is quite nice Mar 10 13:56:39 TAsn: sure you can Mar 10 13:56:50 (mux) Mar 10 13:56:57 TAsn: for that i look at the first diagram and see that GSM is RXP/RXN Mar 10 13:57:21 cool, I couldn't tell if it's line2 or rxp they are both pretty close there ;] Mar 10 13:58:38 huh? Mar 10 13:59:09 why would we need to rip out zhone code? the frameworkd specs for ogpsd look quite simple Mar 10 13:59:16 DocScrutinizer, the text is positioned close to the line 2 part Mar 10 13:59:22 line1/2 is NC, RXP/N is "from GSM" Mar 10 13:59:28 org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position GetPosition Mar 10 14:00:57 TAsn: now you have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_BlockDiagram_GSM_handset.png the GREEN lines Mar 10 14:01:26 well, it seems to convey basically all information but the number of sats in sight or fixed sats (it gives you nofix/2dfix/3dfix though) Mar 10 14:01:41 TAsn: you'll find you can easily route LM to LADC, and RM to RADC Mar 10 14:01:44 DocScrutinizer, I'm currently looking at it. ;] Mar 10 14:02:35 is the uboot also able to boot from a ext4/3/2 partition? Mar 10 14:02:39 you'll probably only want to use LM/LADC though Mar 10 14:03:01 TAsn: as you could use RADC for mic then Mar 10 14:03:29 cool. (I'm still trying to figure stuff ;] as I go...) Mar 10 14:03:31 TAsn: please notice: RED lines in diagram from above are INCORRECT Mar 10 14:04:58 ok. Mar 10 14:05:01 thanks. Mar 10 14:05:19 TAsn: for CORRECT routing of MIC see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/doc/WM8753_control_diag_gsmhandset_mic_std.png Mar 10 14:05:39 :D Mar 10 14:05:52 wait, when I try to playback and record at the same time it has nothing to do with the mux right? (the playback) Mar 10 14:06:03 yup Mar 10 14:06:21 playback has nothing todo with mux Mar 10 14:06:27 record has nevertheless Mar 10 14:08:08 DocScrutinizer, I already got recording to work ;] Mar 10 14:08:12 for playback TO gsm you want to inject audio to monomixer Mar 10 14:08:26 Joerg, I couldn't access one of the schematic pdfs on your site yesterday... is that because it's NDA'ed? Mar 10 14:08:42 nope. which one? Mar 10 14:08:52 maybe permissions were just set wrong then :P Mar 10 14:09:03 which one??? Mar 10 14:09:24 You don't have permission to access /joerg/schematics/GTA02/GTA02-MB-A6(50-71481-00)_assembly silkscreen.pdf on this server. Mar 10 14:09:34 :( Mar 10 14:10:20 fixed Mar 10 14:10:25 Thanks :D Mar 10 14:11:08 happens all the time. sorry Mar 10 14:11:15 Okay :P Mar 10 14:15:27 TAsn: for this (playback to gsm) you might want to enable either LD2MO or RD2MO aka "mono mixer left/right playback switch" Mar 10 14:15:46 yeah, I know. Mar 10 14:15:50 I already had that working Mar 10 14:15:52 though it died. Mar 10 14:15:53 ;] Mar 10 14:16:04 I mean it's not working anymore Mar 10 14:16:08 yet again I lost the right config ;][ Mar 10 14:16:13 joerg, I thought you were going to become the mixer god or something :) Mar 10 14:16:14 so seems you should be happy up and running with your app Mar 10 14:16:52 I'm playing turntable and MIXER ;-) Mar 10 14:17:11 Dave: U know Mar 10 14:18:01 and still there is some project to "translate the bible" so everybody can read err use it Mar 10 14:18:59 TAsn: if it stopped working you probably missed some other setting like DAI mode or DAPM settings Mar 10 14:19:39 what exactly is dapm? Mar 10 14:19:42 i'd be happy if i got recording from mic to digital data working... Mar 10 14:19:45 I mean the acronym Mar 10 14:19:54 e.g. for this "fourier" app Mar 10 14:20:11 TAsn: (DAPM) it's kinda mains power switches for parts of the mixer controls Mar 10 14:20:31 TAsn: I dunno the acro Mar 10 14:20:46 so dapm gsm lineout should be on... I assume. Mar 10 14:20:51 Diagital and Analog Power Management??? Mar 10 14:21:02 correct Mar 10 14:21:32 DAPM settings of gsmhandset.state are matching your needs Mar 10 14:22:48 (arco) dubious Alsa power management?? Mar 10 14:23:17 does the default 2.6.28 kernel from kernel.org support the whole gta02 hardware? Mar 10 14:23:46 I doubt it Mar 10 14:24:10 mrmoku, is there a link somewhere with tips about optimizing shr performances? i remember that it's sometime advised to drop to 5fps, and to software_16, this kind of things Mar 10 14:24:26 Diabolic Alsa Pushed ME there? Mar 10 14:24:32 spaetz, so the kernel which they use for shr isnt the default one? Mar 10 14:25:03 definitely no Mar 10 14:25:05 KaZeR: well... not that I would know of Mar 10 14:25:06 dare admit probably moot Mar 10 14:25:57 mrmoku, ah ok. what would you recommand then? Mar 10 14:26:28 = what software settings.. Mar 10 14:26:48 DocScrutinizer, success! ;] Mar 10 14:27:01 * DocScrutinizer got his silly 5min ;) Mar 10 14:27:15 TAsn: great!!! Mar 10 14:27:21 ;] Mar 10 14:27:51 TAsn: all simple as .... isn't it ;-D Mar 10 14:28:06 actually it is simple when you get the hang of it. Mar 10 14:28:11 I'll update the wiki ;] Mar 10 14:28:18 cool! Mar 10 14:29:09 :D Mar 10 14:29:59 i want to update my pidgin from 2.5.3 to 2.5.5 - i've created an updated bb-file, pidgin_2.5.5.bb, but it insists on still baking 2.5.3 Mar 10 14:30:05 where can i change that behaviour? Mar 10 14:30:14 with bitbake, shr-testing-tree Mar 10 14:31:55 * DocScrutinizer wonders why Tony doesn't do this job. In the end it's him who gets paid for "community support" Mar 10 14:32:01 tomboy64: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc;h=0353051ed166b575d4b45c2a27a6b66de83a83f7;hb=33e252b075d7069be0167661a0a76993e97d89fa Mar 10 14:32:14 see e.g. PREFERRED_VERSION_midori = "0.1.2" Mar 10 14:32:35 sorry OT Mar 10 14:32:40 add pidgin to override OE's default Mar 10 14:33:30 DocScrutinizer: not so much OT... ;-) Mar 10 14:34:22 hmm, lol. it's OT for *me* at least, as I'm not even paid to think about all that anymore Mar 10 14:34:43 SuperJoerg! Mar 10 14:34:58 spaetz, so the api headers aren't the same also? Mar 10 14:35:00 I've been told very clearly it's not my job to do this Mar 10 14:35:26 as it won't sell any additional device :-\ Mar 10 14:35:41 mmh, no comment Mar 10 14:35:48 k Mar 10 14:36:23 root_at: I don't know. SHR uses upstream OE/FSO kernel Mar 10 14:36:33 hmmm Mar 10 14:36:34 k Mar 10 14:36:40 thanks Mar 10 14:36:44 which is some version of andy-tracking Mar 10 14:36:46 was my first thought, too Mar 10 14:36:51 spaetz, thanks...so i will compile the headers with this sources Mar 10 14:36:56 but couldn't find it there, so i started grepping around wildly Mar 10 14:37:15 Joerg, we don't want any additional devices Mar 10 14:37:25 we already have enough plaguing our existence :P Mar 10 14:37:36 Dave: :)) Mar 10 14:37:54 Yeah, I have enough EM interference over here as it is :D Mar 10 14:37:56 :-> Mar 10 14:42:22 spaetz, btw, i'd recommend updating pidgin to version 2.5.5 and to apply the latest icq-patches Mar 10 14:42:37 spaetz, icq locked out old-protocol-users once more Mar 10 14:42:52 tomboy64: SHR would rather not deviate too much from OE upstream Mar 10 14:43:03 so i should file a bug with them? Mar 10 14:43:34 so, if you file an OE bug to update pidgin in milestone 5 /5.5. we would automatically pick it up Mar 10 14:44:17 aye aye Mar 10 14:44:40 damn it. now it doesn't recognize my new sim anymore. old sim ok, new sim worked ealier today, but now i get no sim card Mar 10 14:44:55 KaZeR: well... I use the default settings. There is that anoying 'e consumes lots of cpu cycles' bug... that one you can work around by moving a .desktop file around Mar 10 14:46:21 those tips should be kept in a wiki page or something. i've also seen 2 or 3 other minor tweaks. but it's always a pain to find them back, and you don't even know if they are still needed Mar 10 14:47:56 spaetz, http://dpaste.com/11867/ <--- i got the message with pidgin before, then claiming the same problem with 2.5.3. after i followed your advice it's now changed to 2.5.5 and still wants to build 2.5.3 Mar 10 14:48:20 KaZeR: U know douglas Adams? Mar 10 14:48:36 DON'T PANIC Mar 10 14:48:46 :-) Mar 10 14:49:12 * Dave cowpanics Mar 10 14:49:35 Dave: where's your towel? Mar 10 14:49:39 ahaha Mar 10 14:50:26 tomboy64: where is your 2.5.5.bb file located? Mar 10 14:50:29 spaetz, i am really sorry for annoying you all the time, but where can i find the kernel source? cant find it on the shr site or the toolchain Mar 10 14:51:17 root_at: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.28_git.bb&h=fso/milestone5.5 Mar 10 14:51:57 tomboy64: seems like it isn't picked up by bitbake Mar 10 14:52:06 hah Mar 10 14:52:07 that's it Mar 10 14:52:09 -.- Mar 10 14:52:24 bitbake it! Mar 10 14:52:30 * spaetz should get paid for that shit :) Mar 10 14:52:35 stored it at {build-root}/shr-testing/ Mar 10 14:52:49 yup Mar 10 14:52:51 you should! Mar 10 14:52:56 ask OM for monies :P Mar 10 14:53:05 needs to be in .../shr-testing/openembedded/pacakges/pidgin/pidgin_2.5.5.bb Mar 10 14:53:08 yes Mar 10 14:53:13 pushed it there now Mar 10 14:53:14 or something like that Mar 10 14:53:16 bb is so picky Mar 10 14:53:20 and it's baking Mar 10 14:53:27 :D Mar 10 14:53:28 pickbake Mar 10 14:53:31 ;) Mar 10 14:53:35 Dave, you've never worked with portage, did you? Mar 10 14:53:43 OH GOD NO Mar 10 14:53:46 * Dave runs for the hills Mar 10 14:53:50 you change a file you actually have to digest it to install it ^^ Mar 10 14:54:06 oh no, Dave *emerge's* :-) Mar 10 14:54:11 so he is using portage Mar 10 14:54:12 :-D Mar 10 14:54:33 but on the other hand, portage has some nice features like "--depclean" Mar 10 14:54:35 * spaetz talks nonsense and goes back to paid work Mar 10 14:54:42 which automatically removes all unneeded packages Mar 10 14:55:00 i'd love to have that with opkg :-/ Mar 10 14:55:04 as well as @sets Mar 10 14:55:20 where you can group packages together and install them as one personal meta-package Mar 10 14:55:45 virtual packages \o/ Mar 10 14:55:51 quite useful with pidgin's 5000 plugins, if you ask me Mar 10 14:55:57 YES Mar 10 14:56:08 virtual packages? Mar 10 14:56:23 hahaha pidgin plugins? - optional my ass! Mar 10 14:56:25 What I love abot Gentoo's portage is USE variables that impact on the depedency chains Mar 10 14:56:37 yes Mar 10 14:56:41 that's great, too Mar 10 14:56:50 does lots for gentoo's customizability Mar 10 14:57:01 much better than offering a bunch of package variants (emacs-nox, emacs-gtk, emacs-whatever) Mar 10 14:57:07 and makes distros like sabayon ... unnecessary :-| Mar 10 14:57:17 yup Mar 10 14:57:19 annoying Mar 10 14:57:32 gentoooooooo Mar 10 14:57:40 eew Mar 10 14:58:38 spaetz, you know of inputs to openembedded regarding those features? Mar 10 14:59:27 native gentoo on wrist watches Mar 10 14:59:31 \o\ aptitude /o/ Mar 10 14:59:52 cause imo this would help pushing openembedded mainstream and support guis Mar 10 15:00:09 "build your own tailored mobile distro on your pc" Mar 10 15:00:36 hahahaha Mar 10 15:00:45 Joerg - could you imagine OM on wristwatches? ;) Mar 10 15:00:59 The freakin' thing wouldn't even be able to keep the right time :p Mar 10 15:01:35 well Mar 10 15:01:41 come, ask here Mar 10 15:01:52 and people would tell you to install your friggin ntp-client :-P Mar 10 15:01:54 tomboy64: no clue. never worked with OE Mar 10 15:01:59 Dave: nah, but I recently read about native gentooooew on FR Mar 10 15:02:12 DocScrutinizer, it's quite ugly right now Mar 10 15:02:16 other than having mickeyl tellung us that he wants to have all SHR stuff upstream Mar 10 15:02:22 but so was openembedded when i first tried it Mar 10 15:02:39 and right now i'm quite comfortable using it as building environment Mar 10 15:02:48 things *are* progressing after all Mar 10 15:04:22 where is freerunner-menu defined? Mar 10 15:05:13 Joerg, I thought that project pretty much died? Mar 10 15:05:18 is there renewed strength? Mar 10 15:05:23 among the ricers Mar 10 15:05:45 doesn't bother me Mar 10 15:07:35 it's plain ridiculous to install a whole development environment on an embedded system to go retro to the end-90s where you had to do things like build your own customized monolitic kernel to make things work Mar 10 15:07:44 ahh, found root/packages/freesmartphone/menu-freesmartphone.bb Mar 10 15:07:51 spaetz, i need the kernel source, not the bb file. i dont want to bitbake anything. is the link in this bb file the source? this one: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git Mar 10 15:08:38 it's very big, about 500mb Mar 10 15:08:53 the link to the source is in the .bb file Mar 10 15:09:00 KaZeR: U know douglas Adams? -> author of H2G2? Mar 10 15:09:16 DON'T PANIC Mar 10 15:09:27 hm, "btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb c59177c0 submission failed" Mar 10 15:09:34 DocScrutinizer, ahah ok :) Mar 10 15:09:46 42 Mar 10 15:10:33 spaetz, there are only links to patches and this git, but this is as said about 500mb Mar 10 15:12:39 * spaetz shrugs. This is what is being used for kernel building. A specific git id and not HEAD though Mar 10 15:13:08 DocScrutinizer, i don't have my towel. maybe that's why my nes seem isn't working anymore ;) Mar 10 15:18:58 KaZeR: U bet it is :) Mar 10 15:20:21 :P Mar 10 15:23:16 probably it would be a great idea to produce a GTA02-HHGG edition. 4cDON'T PANIC! Mar 10 15:23:59 maybe just a bootsplash Mar 10 15:24:03 what's the name of the gpl sound files web site? Mar 10 15:25:35 anybody to volunteer? Mar 10 15:29:15 TAsn: freesound.org? Mar 10 15:29:30 mrmoku, I guess I thought about that, though this one is cc ;\ Mar 10 15:30:32 cc should be fine too, shouldn't it? Mar 10 15:31:06 * spaetz is not happy about the gstreamer speed with which .ogg/.mp3 start Mar 10 15:32:01 spaetz, no idea. Mar 10 15:32:12 spaetz: CC-sampling isn't free enough for Debian Mar 10 15:32:28 * mrmoku switched back to sid for the ringtone ;) (different one though) Mar 10 15:32:46 mrmoku: would be ok to switch to a different .sid ringtone by default Mar 10 15:32:58 spaetz: well that's what you get when you switch to a ringtone without testing and asking first on the ML Mar 10 15:33:21 Ainulindale: they become slow to start because I didn't ask the ML? :-P Mar 10 15:33:41 I am fine with reverting/changing to a different. Mar 10 15:34:09 spaetz: well that may be a proximal cause of the problem yes :-) Mar 10 15:34:29 I am just puzzled as invoking a gstreamer pipeline manually with tremor is much quicker to start Mar 10 15:34:46 so it *could* be quicker Mar 10 15:36:22 pabs3: I hate incompatible free licenses Mar 10 15:36:47 spaetz: its not incompatible, it just isn't (DFSG) free Mar 10 15:36:53 it makes things so much more complicated when basically all participants want to achieve the same Mar 10 15:37:15 and as shr is not debian, I don't care about the DFSG for a default ringtone Mar 10 15:37:42 debian could always exchange it with RMS singing if they want Mar 10 15:38:17 I doubt that would be DFSG free either ;) Mar 10 15:38:27 hehe Mar 10 15:38:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BH7poMtPVU <- please as default ringtone Mar 10 15:38:59 spaetz: wtf use plain raw format and alay! Mar 10 15:39:07 aPlay Mar 10 15:39:22 DocScrutinizer: tell that FSO for their ringtone mechanism Mar 10 15:39:25 :) Mar 10 15:39:49 spaetz: I'll actually do that Mar 10 15:39:58 :) Mar 10 15:40:31 it's braindead to load a whole MP3 decoding lib to playback a 5..10sec audio sample Mar 10 15:41:38 how much could you gain storage wise by compressing those maybe even 30sec to MP3? Mar 10 15:42:12 make that OGG, no diff Mar 10 15:43:13 well preload tremor on startup Mar 10 15:43:53 nah Mar 10 15:44:50 waste boot time and valuable RAM? what for? Mar 10 15:45:07 DocScrutinizer: well, as our SD card read speeds are not that phantastic either Mar 10 15:45:24 reading a 90% smaller .ogg file might be easier that loading 5MB of .wav Mar 10 15:45:37 than loading... Mar 10 15:46:00 DocScrutinizer: for fast basic funcitonality Mar 10 15:46:01 moot point Mar 10 15:46:29 fast and stable ringtone playback is essential Mar 10 15:46:51 playback of raw may start on successfull load of first longword of soundfile Mar 10 15:46:57 what point has a mobile if you don't notice you are called Mar 10 15:47:36 DocScrutinizer: touche. Mar 10 15:53:06 so for minimum delay at start of playback use an uncompressed audio format and the most basic simple playback mechanism you can find Mar 10 15:53:18 wich is aplay I'd suppose Mar 10 15:56:17 set up aplay to use a softvol plugin so you can adjust ringtone level. Mar 10 15:57:11 use dmixer after softvol so you won't freeze if audio is occupied by sth else that does playback ATM Mar 10 15:57:34 that's it basically Mar 10 15:58:12 would need frameworkd hacking though... Mar 10 15:58:54 that would absolutely be frameworkd stuff Mar 10 15:59:02 frameworkd will have to adopt for new sound-API anyway Mar 10 15:59:33 mrmoku: bitbake complains when applying dos1 patch. It contains a mixture of spaces and tabs. I tried to fix, but had to revert. Mar 10 16:00:09 the mixture of tabs and spaces is in the original source, so it seems it has to be in the patch file too (unless we use soe ignore whitespace options) Mar 10 16:00:12 just FYI Mar 10 16:00:13 spaetz: you mean git? thats just a white space warning... git can be configured to be very picky about whitespaces ;) Mar 10 16:00:32 spaetz: yep... he told me so :-) Mar 10 16:00:38 yep, but that warning is very prominent whenever I do "make update" in the topdir now Mar 10 16:00:46 and looks quite scary Mar 10 16:00:47 the fbreader patch I added had also whitespace errors in the original Mar 10 16:01:14 well... we should clean them up... wanted to do that for the fbreader patch... never came around it though Mar 10 16:01:23 * spaetz checks if we can make the whitespace warnings less scary in do_patches or something Mar 10 16:01:52 --whitespace= Mar 10 16:01:55 as option to git-apply Mar 10 16:01:56 currently do-patch just does "git apply $p" Mar 10 16:02:13 add --whitespace=nowarn and it will be less scary :P Mar 10 16:03:16 865531 Mar 10 16:51 free-software-song.au Mar 10 16:03:22 so, as of a few days ago, t-mobile isn't being recognized as my provider anymore -- I just get "Unknown" Mar 10 16:04:08 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks needs some cleanuplots of theses tweaks are applied in shr Mar 10 16:04:13 however, I still see lines like Mar 10 11:01:11 calvino ogsmd.channel DEBUG : COMPLETED 'AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?' => ['+COPS: 0,0,"T - Mobile"', '+COPS: 0,2,"31026"', 'OK'] Mar 10 16:05:43 mrmoku: ok, will add --whitespace=nowarn Mar 10 16:06:19 at least in unstable aka HEAD branch Mar 10 16:08:46 pushed Mar 10 16:21:32 hmm Mar 10 16:21:45 do i see this right that arch.conf lists the priorities? Mar 10 16:21:58 starting with 1 for the most-preferred mirror/source? Mar 10 16:24:47 spaetz? mrmoku? Mar 10 16:25:56 tomboy64: never touched it ;) Mar 10 16:29:08 :-| Mar 10 16:33:39 hmm Mar 10 16:33:50 how do i change the frames when adding a new contact? Mar 10 16:33:57 e.g. from "name" to "number? Mar 10 16:34:02 "number"? Mar 10 16:37:00 tomboy64: well... that is for experienced users only :P Mar 10 16:37:09 seriously... it is difficult... but possible Mar 10 16:37:24 :-/ Mar 10 16:37:29 why can't it be easy? Mar 10 16:37:29 ol Mar 10 16:37:34 lol Mar 10 16:37:36 * mrmoku tries Mar 10 16:38:12 * tomboy64 goes and fetches mrmoku a cookie jar Mar 10 16:38:32 wasn't it sth like "press number field 97 times"? Mar 10 16:39:00 while FR wrapped into a blanket Mar 10 16:39:02 well.... experienced users like me... do it with 95 times ;) Mar 10 16:39:29 lol Mar 10 16:39:52 tomboy64: hmm... just tap once with the stylus in the number field... works for me Mar 10 16:40:19 DocScrutinizer: a small question: would you recommend flashing to new gsm firmware for users that have a working sim? Mar 10 16:40:28 and don't get iritated by cursors in both fields :P Mar 10 16:40:30 yup Mar 10 16:40:35 definitely Mar 10 16:41:19 hmmmm Mar 10 16:41:22 kk Mar 10 16:41:27 works? Mar 10 16:41:37 in that case i'm gonna flash my gsm on fire! Mar 10 16:41:55 :-) Mar 10 16:42:07 I always get confused, because the cursor in the name field is still visible... Mar 10 16:42:45 DocScrutinizer your image is still listed as beta on the wiki Mar 10 16:42:53 np Mar 10 16:43:19 the image itself is beta. moko11 included isn't beta anymore Mar 10 16:43:44 did the firmware change in the move from beta or is it the same as the beta Mar 10 16:44:03 anyway *my* recommendation is to use uSD image Mar 10 16:44:28 johnsu01: no diff from 11b to 11 Mar 10 16:44:56 yay Mar 10 16:45:02 since I just flashed 11b the other day :) Mar 10 16:45:03 just version string Mar 10 16:45:09 anyone of you ever compiled speex son a openmoko? having some configure issue.. Mar 10 16:45:21 s/son/on Mar 10 16:45:47 you may want to have a look on changelist_all_versions in my people-folder Mar 10 16:46:43 emmentaler: apt-get --build source speex works here Mar 10 16:50:21 ok.. but this will not compile speex with the magic --enable-arm4-asm option, right? Mar 10 16:51:26 johnsu01: Zorkman: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/all_version__CHANGELOG.txt, and just I realize I didn't update it to moko11(non-beta) yet. :-/ sorry Mar 10 16:53:25 really annoying Mar 10 16:54:02 could someone enlighten me to my understanding of frameworkd, (o)gpsd and fso-gpsd? Mar 10 16:54:51 frameworkd, along with ogpsd control the phone and provide the dbus-interface - fso-gpsd provides a compatibility layer to support the traditional gpsd-interface? is this so far correct? Mar 10 16:57:22 kind of Mar 10 16:57:30 ogpsd is a subsytem of frameworkd Mar 10 16:57:43 which just controls the gps interface Mar 10 16:57:56 but gps is controlled by opgsd, not fso-gpsd? Mar 10 16:59:06 yes Mar 10 16:59:42 fso-gpsd is just a wrapper between the frameworkd subsytem ogpsd and the gpsd interface Mar 10 17:00:14 thanks Mar 10 17:01:39 if you write a program just for the moko use the ogpsd interface Mar 10 17:01:54 sure Mar 10 17:02:00 if you write a program for various programs use the gpsd interface Mar 10 17:02:10 Which is actually compatible to the gypsy interface... Mar 10 17:02:10 for various platforms you mean Mar 10 17:02:11 s/programs/plattforms/ Mar 10 17:02:11 bumbl meant: if you write a program for various plattforms use the gpsd interface Mar 10 17:02:17 ^^ Mar 10 17:02:19 :-D Mar 10 17:02:21 But doesn't really seem to be used anywhere else.. Mar 10 17:20:50 hi Mar 10 17:30:19 is somethere listed what you need as software for building a shr distribution? Mar 10 17:30:56 yep on the wiki Mar 10 17:31:02 shr-project.org/trac Mar 10 17:35:03 ah, I was looking at freesmartphone.org @.@ Mar 10 18:04:40 latest SHR booted once, then it died Mar 10 18:04:47 now even the uboot doesn't boot. Mar 10 18:05:40 is zhone deprecated or do I need it? Mar 10 18:08:41 serdar1: My personal answer to your question at the moment is both :-) Mar 10 18:13:02 I need deprecated zhone? :) Mar 10 18:23:55 depends on your distro Mar 10 18:24:04 for shr, no Mar 10 18:25:42 maybe I want shr, but not this e stuff Mar 10 18:29:14 i guess you are better off with a different distro then Mar 10 18:32:30 I am useing gentoo for cross-compileing Mar 10 18:55:23 Anyone know how to get the TangoGPS icon back after the xdg menu problem? I have most icons, but there are some "stragglers" Mar 10 18:57:01 change Applications to Application or the other way round in tangogps.desktop Mar 10 19:10:15 cu guys Mar 10 19:16:49 ARGH!!!! Mar 10 19:17:10 bitbake doesn't automatically purge package-index upon rebuild Mar 10 19:17:18 now that cost me 3 hours to figure out :-/ Mar 10 19:21:18 tomboy,.... I think you've finding out bitbake doesn't work the way you want it to... nor does it do a lot of ideal things automagically... Mar 10 19:25:17 fix it. ;) Mar 10 19:27:48 DaveLab, it's quite crude compared to emerge Mar 10 19:28:06 but it uses git, which i find pleasurable Mar 10 19:29:44 hahahaha Mar 10 19:29:58 Wow, I would have never used those two words in the same sentence... Mar 10 19:31:39 it also uses svn,cvs,hg Mar 10 19:32:09 * DaveLab sweet spaetz under the rug Mar 10 19:32:16 s/sweet/sweeps/ Mar 10 19:32:31 Azog: Thanks, that worked! Mar 10 19:32:46 what would be an alternative to oe? Mar 10 19:32:54 * spaetz shouts 'and tar.gz' from under the rug Mar 10 19:33:01 BAH Mar 10 19:33:08 no one here wants to hear that :P Mar 10 19:33:36 bumpl, debian? Mar 10 19:33:51 apt, etc Mar 10 19:34:45 spaetz: debian on om is not that good (good for packagers, bad for users) Mar 10 19:34:56 as debian installation sucks + is not light enough Mar 10 19:35:18 bumbl: why do you say that? Mar 10 19:35:50 depends on your packages Mar 10 19:36:00 admiral0: because debian install takes ages while flashing an images is quite fast Mar 10 19:36:05 + Mar 10 19:36:26 spaetz: default debian install + x hardly fits into flash Mar 10 19:36:29 bumbl who said that there won't be jffs2 of debian or dd'able images? Mar 10 19:36:54 bumpl, who says you can't produce a dissk image Mar 10 19:36:56 telefoninux.projects.openmoko.org Mar 10 19:37:16 and we're working on it Mar 10 19:38:40 attention: Mar 10 19:38:53 <- uses gentoo on his boxes at home Mar 10 19:39:07 bumbl? Mar 10 19:40:37 yes Mar 10 19:40:48 what do you mean? Mar 10 19:41:11 admiral0: a bit intransparent, the site Mar 10 19:41:20 yes Mar 10 19:41:28 where is your code? Mar 10 19:41:29 spaetz: you're so transparent. Mar 10 19:41:37 admiral0: my judgement is biased Mar 10 19:41:38 :P Mar 10 19:41:49 bumble: clearly! Mar 10 19:42:01 oe is similar to gentoo (just a bit worse) Mar 10 19:42:16 DaveLab: no, i'm still under your dusty rug. no transparency there Mar 10 19:42:20 bumbl, oe is a lot worse Mar 10 19:42:35 it's too complicated Mar 10 19:43:06 i kind of like the flexibility of oe, but it's not comparable with portage Mar 10 19:43:23 if you want to do something you have either to accept what you get or to play with bitbake Mar 10 19:43:35 debian is simpler Mar 10 19:43:59 if portage coould produce installable packages, it would be a cool alternative Mar 10 19:44:22 that is our goal Mar 10 19:44:42 (mind, i am not proposing to commpile on the fr :-)) Mar 10 19:45:17 create something similar to portage and aur but using apt Mar 10 19:47:15 spaetz: it can Mar 10 19:47:28 even crosscompiled Mar 10 19:47:49 although setup of the build machine is a bit nifty Mar 10 19:48:19 i know Mar 10 19:48:32 but i want to be simple to cross-compile Mar 10 19:50:16 bumpl, ahh. cool Mar 10 19:57:39 つまらない人 Mar 10 19:58:21 ? Mar 10 19:59:34 [] [] [] [] [] [] Mar 10 20:01:45 I was soldering on the cap for the buzz fix, I accidentally desoldered the cap I was soldering it to (C403) and lost it Mar 10 20:01:47 Does anyone know which of these I can use? Mar 10 20:01:48 http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProducts&searchTerm=456-8257&x=0&y=0 Mar 10 20:01:49 http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProducts&searchTerm=435-1510&x=0&y=0 Mar 10 20:02:21 If this helps http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf Mar 10 20:02:53 rc2! Mar 10 20:03:02 Wowee! Mar 10 20:03:21 slowly, joerg is revealing the secrets of the universe :) Mar 10 20:03:29 * DocScrutinizer deletes some crap off his folder Mar 10 20:03:39 oh no! Mar 10 20:03:42 But I found it so interesting! Mar 10 20:04:31 I left it there not to break links. was a silly idea Mar 10 20:06:43 ~_~ Mar 10 20:08:47 さようなら皆さん Mar 10 20:08:56 DaveLab, tsumanarai I don't know the last one seems like katakana no ha Mar 10 20:09:51 he said sayoonara to someone called 皆 Mar 10 20:10:38 anttna: those look identical. anyway both seem to match Mar 10 20:12:00 there is a difference in the tolerance of either +-20% or -20% +80% Mar 10 20:12:56 nevermind Mar 10 20:13:09 take whatever you can get Mar 10 20:13:53 those C are totally subcritical Mar 10 20:14:23 great thanks Mar 10 20:14:52 welcome. please keep reporting Mar 10 20:16:54 btw Mar 10 20:17:31 anttna: do you do joerg SOP or the freaky direct C mount? Mar 10 20:20:23 sounds like direct C anyway. That's why we do careful evaluation before we even unofficially publish any SOP Mar 10 20:20:26 ;-) Mar 10 20:21:19 DocScrutinizer: I only saw freaky mount today, I think it could be easier Mar 10 20:21:35 obviously not Mar 10 20:22:32 soldering a big fat component on top of a small one isn't easy at all Mar 10 20:23:56 ah no I was trying to use a wire, but I bridged the two caps 403,404 so I ran the iron between them and one of the caps pinged off Mar 10 20:24:17 ah ok. Mar 10 20:25:08 yeah removing shorts by blobs of tin isn't easy as well ;-) Mar 10 20:25:49 Maybe a way might be to glue 403 and big then solder them? Mar 10 20:27:31 nah, just do the "official" rework as mentioned in SOP paper rc2 Mar 10 20:31:12 there's neither any simplification nor any other significant advantage in doing the freaky piggyback mount of big C Mar 10 20:31:54 instead it's more complicated and more fragile Mar 10 20:36:06 I have been trying to desolder with 1.5mm braid without much success. I bought some flux today which should help. Mar 10 20:36:07 I am a little worried I might melt the glue on the pcb if I heat it too much Mar 10 20:36:41 yup Mar 10 20:37:44 try separating (cutting) the tin by some alu or carton Mar 10 20:38:27 or simply use a sharp cutter to cut out cold tin Mar 10 20:38:41 **carefully*c Mar 10 20:39:42 maybe I don't get what you mean?, cut solder! ? Mar 10 20:40:22 yeah mechanically remove the excessive tin between the two pads Mar 10 20:41:03 but you already lost one C. so cleaning the pad should be *much* easier now Mar 10 20:41:15 I think some flux on the braid will work. I use plumbers everflux - it works Mar 10 20:41:39 *cough* Mar 10 20:42:03 I know but I do it beside an open window Mar 10 20:42:59 Zinc Chloride and Ammonium Chloride Mar 10 20:43:17 almost table salt ? Mar 10 20:43:49 NaCl? Mar 10 20:43:59 well I never tested it, cause all I learned was NEVER use this type of "flux" on ANY 3LECTRONICS Mar 10 20:44:17 Why not to use? Mar 10 20:44:24 LOL Mar 10 20:44:34 Yep, never active flux on electronics :) Mar 10 20:44:52 its been tale it etches away the whole circuit Mar 10 20:45:54 ah heck Mar 10 20:46:28 What brand is good? Mar 10 20:46:53 0201 components allegedly dissolve in plain air. So guess what cloride radicals will do to 0402 Mar 10 20:47:35 (dissolve in plain air) lol Mar 10 20:48:02 no kidding. known iPhone issue Mar 10 20:48:21 0201 corroding until they're gone Mar 10 20:49:28 well not confirmed ;) Mar 10 20:49:59 I the area was cleaned straight away with propan-2-ol (IPA) would that remove the flux? Mar 10 20:50:04 *If Mar 10 20:50:35 dunno Mar 10 20:50:43 never used it Mar 10 20:50:43 Why not use C2H5OH? Mar 10 20:52:57 Ethanol Mar 10 20:53:32 methylated spirits has methanol in it Mar 10 20:54:03 I'd prefer not to keep any methylated spirit at home or at work. Mar 10 20:55:32 what ethanol can you buy that hasn't methanol in it? Mar 10 20:56:22 Regular medical spirit? Mar 10 20:57:49 What country are you in PaulFert? Mar 10 20:57:57 anttna: Russia Mar 10 20:59:05 I'm not sure Surgical spirit can be bought in the UK but I will check Mar 10 21:00:03 anttna: "In the UK the equivalent skin preparation is surgical spirit which is always based on an ethyl alcohol-methyl alcohol mixture." So looks like it will be ok to clean the surface but not ok to accidently drink. Mar 10 21:00:23 yes I just saw that, thanks Mar 10 21:00:32 http://www.tutorialsweb.com/smt/chapter4c.htm Mar 10 21:03:35 RA and cleaning by (any) alcohol, or a high quality cleanfree flux recommended Mar 10 21:03:54 anttna: i can tell you that in the USSR the spirits used were usually either denatured alcohol or regular ethanol (the last was often consumed by workers). Mar 10 21:04:59 yay the russians Mar 10 21:05:08 PaulFert: In Northern Ireland they drank it too, all over the world I guess. Methanol will make you blind Mar 10 21:05:38 * anttna goes off to buy some no clean flux Mar 10 21:05:57 anttna: i know. But we had enough ethanol without methanol. Mar 10 21:06:40 ah i've just re read that Mar 10 21:07:08 drinking ethanol is much safer than drinking methanol :) Mar 10 21:07:17 here we need a license to buy it and it costs eur 60 per litre Mar 10 21:07:48 duh, what strange country you're living at?? Mar 10 21:08:30 ireland I guess :) Mar 10 21:09:03 Northern Ireland UK, where are you DocScrutinizer? Mar 10 21:09:11 D Mar 10 21:09:23 Hail to Ireland! Mar 10 21:09:33 It is 99.9% pure ethanol for laboratory Mar 10 21:09:45 Hail to the world! Mar 10 21:10:08 anttna, do you play tin whistle? Mar 10 21:10:13 Hello,world! Mar 10 21:11:27 how's gnome xfce5 and kde working on moko? Mar 10 21:11:35 how are Mar 10 21:12:48 PaulFert: No but I have a recorder which I want to learn. I work with someone who plays uilleann pipes everyday Mar 10 21:13:27 * anttna doesn't want to stray off topic :) Mar 10 21:13:53 anttna: cool, recorder is even somewhat more fancy, because it's chromatic (though not perfect tone). Mar 10 21:14:52 heyho Mar 10 21:15:07 anttna: plastic or wooden? (the last OT question ;) ) Mar 10 21:15:54 morphis: hey... how's money world ? ;) Mar 10 21:15:55 plastic but the man who has the pipe has a (German) wooden one, maybe if I learn to play I will buy one Mar 10 21:16:34 mrmoko: not bad :) Mar 10 21:16:44 :) Mar 10 21:17:10 but there will be no salary raise this year :( Mar 10 21:17:55 hehe... yeah guess though... Mar 10 21:18:22 s/though/so/ Mar 10 21:18:23 mrmoku meant: hehe... yeah guess so... Mar 10 21:18:39 :) Mar 10 21:18:49 hey bzzbot :-) Mar 10 21:18:55 so it is bad working for bank in so bad times :) Mar 10 21:19:07 bzzbot: botsnack Mar 10 21:19:07 thanks, DocScrutinizer Mar 10 21:19:08 bzzbot: how are you? Mar 10 21:19:09 peachy, mrmoku Mar 10 21:19:53 :) Mar 10 21:20:12 mrmoko: current shr unstable is build upon fso/milestone5 ? Mar 10 21:20:15 bzzbot: uptime ? Mar 10 21:20:21 5.5 Mar 10 21:20:24 s/mrmoko/mrmoku/ Mar 10 21:20:25 morphis meant: mrmoku: current shr unstable is build upon fso/milestone5 ? Mar 10 21:20:41 :) spaetz was faster :( Mar 10 21:20:55 morphis: 5.5 with our own SCRREV for e etc Mar 10 21:21:14 bzzbot: so where you've been yesterday? Mar 10 21:21:41 bzzbot: TELL ME, nasty bot! Mar 10 21:22:14 bzzbot: ok then :-D Mar 10 21:22:35 morphis: SRCREV_pn-python-elementary = "39406" Mar 10 21:22:38 EFL_SRCREV = "39408" Mar 10 21:22:45 spaetz: ok Mar 10 21:23:15 some minutes ago I updated python-elementary to 39441 Mar 10 21:23:27 with Lists still not working AFAIK :) Mar 10 21:23:33 ahh, any new cool stuff? Mar 10 21:23:37 jap Mar 10 21:23:42 there are new widgets Mar 10 21:24:04 you can commit data through callbacks Mar 10 21:24:07 some minor fixes Mar 10 21:24:50 I tested everything with elementary 39404 Mar 10 21:25:14 sounds like we want to upgrade then Mar 10 21:25:39 :) Mar 10 21:26:13 mrmoku: I am on a computer without git. Would you miind bumping python-elementary SCRREV to 39441? Mar 10 21:26:17 spaetz: I will fix the support for Lists the next days and bring it together with the GenList Mar 10 21:26:30 or does it need testing first? Mar 10 21:26:49 spaetz: I didnt tested it with oe Mar 10 21:27:12 morphis: great, that would let me continue on pyphonelog-elementary:) Mar 10 21:27:34 spaetz: the lists? Mar 10 21:27:41 yep Mar 10 21:27:43 morphis: did svn up half an hour ago ;) Mar 10 21:27:54 * mrmoku is doing svn up again Mar 10 21:27:58 need lists for call entries Mar 10 21:28:09 mrmoku: I have done the commit some minutes ago :) Mar 10 21:28:19 :) Mar 10 21:28:26 spaetz: would update complete e though... Mar 10 21:29:11 mrmoko & spaetz: you have already something in mind like a python launcher for shr to speedup the startup time for python apps? Mar 10 21:29:45 mrmoku: nope. afaik python elementary is a separate checkout than e. Mar 10 21:29:56 they have different SCREVs Mar 10 21:30:04 spaetz: I know... I meant bump up both versions Mar 10 21:30:09 speed up would be nice:-) Mar 10 21:30:11 ahh,k Mar 10 21:30:28 morphis: no clue how to achieve that Mar 10 21:30:37 I thought about another daemon launcher at startup before any python apps has launched Mar 10 21:30:38 you mean similar to raster's quickstart? Mar 10 21:31:01 * mrmoku is staying away from touching python stuff ;) Mar 10 21:31:04 than we add a symlink for python to another small c programm which sends a dbus call to the daemon Mar 10 21:31:09 spaetz: ratsers quickstart, whats that? Mar 10 21:31:18 morphis: sounds ugly and hacky :-) Mar 10 21:31:21 the daemon than launches the python process through multiprocessing Mar 10 21:31:26 BluesLee: new daemon to speed up start of elementary apps Mar 10 21:31:47 mrmoku: sounds good, is it implemented yet? Mar 10 21:32:03 if python-elementary could take advantage of the running quickstart daemon...:) Mar 10 21:32:04 BluesLee: in c-elementary Mar 10 21:32:11 BluesLee: well it is implemented yeah... but not included in SHR :P Mar 10 21:32:17 spaetz: I can Mar 10 21:32:20 c-elementary? Mar 10 21:32:34 elementary with C apps Mar 10 21:32:35 everything seems to be new Mar 10 21:32:36 but the showstopper is the launcher of a new python process Mar 10 21:32:37 not python Mar 10 21:32:45 mrmoku: cool! Mar 10 21:32:56 mmh Mar 10 21:33:22 a python daemon... Mar 10 21:33:25 sometime ago sargun posted a similiar solution on the fso ml named odaemond Mar 10 21:33:25 mrmoku: that might speed up everything Mar 10 21:33:36 interesting thought Mar 10 21:33:41 * spaetz googles Mar 10 21:33:45 morphis, yes? Mar 10 21:33:55 :) Mar 10 21:33:55 Oh, yeah, I had that Mar 10 21:34:00 then real life caught up with me Mar 10 21:34:08 and I lost 100% of my time to school and things Mar 10 21:34:10 mrmoku: when you will include it in shr?;-) Mar 10 21:34:11 :-( Mar 10 21:34:15 BluesLee: well if it proves good I guess we will integrate it in the SHR e apps... Mar 10 21:34:28 Sargun: that sounds not good Mar 10 21:34:39 morphis, it is not good. Mar 10 21:34:44 BluesLee: when? don't know that ;) Mar 10 21:34:51 mrmoku: shr needs much more speed ... Mar 10 21:35:26 mrmoku: when i tested shr for the first time end of 2008 it was much faster Mar 10 21:35:30 BluesLess: agreed Mar 10 21:35:53 BluesLee: I would rather remove python stuff... Mar 10 21:35:54 :D Mar 10 21:36:13 but what changed thespeed there? Mar 10 21:36:14 BluesLee: well... it sucks when you're sufferint the cpu bug... But it rocks when not :-) Mar 10 21:36:34 mrmoku: enlightment cpu? Mar 10 21:36:40 BluesLee: yep Mar 10 21:36:54 27% for doing nothing Mar 10 21:36:58 mrmoku: no ... if it drops to 0-1% there is no big change Mar 10 21:37:07 morphis: was it you volunteering to do vala bindings for e? Mar 10 21:37:18 mrmoku: at least for me ... the apps take a lot of time to start Mar 10 21:37:30 BluesLee: hmm... I find it very responsive... Mar 10 21:37:50 mrmoku: maybe, I want to talk with mickey about that when he is back from his vacation Mar 10 21:38:02 mrmoku: maybe i should drop my icons and personal settings... Mar 10 21:38:33 BluesLee: :-) might be involved ;) Mar 10 21:39:06 morphis: I would really like to try out that vala thingie... but I would want to write elementary apps Mar 10 21:39:37 * mrmoku started new unstable build with morphis greatest and latest changes :D Mar 10 21:39:39 mrmoku: but cpu usage has nothing to do with the digital clock implementation? Mar 10 21:40:09 mrmoku: i remember that there was something with that ... Mar 10 21:40:10 BluesLee: yesterday I disabled the themeing for the clock... did not change Mar 10 21:41:04 mrmoku: did you removed the code or disabled the clock only? Mar 10 21:41:49 mrmoku: I even want to write elementary apps :) Mar 10 21:41:49 bye. Mar 10 21:41:51 some time ago I started to write a twitter client with evas&edje, since now it is waiting for be ported to elementary :) Mar 10 21:41:57 Sargun: bye Mar 10 21:42:08 mrmoku: i remember that raster said something like "very bad implementation of the digital clock" Mar 10 21:43:30 mrmoku: but maybe we can temporary speedup python applications (especially shr-settings) with this solution Mar 10 21:43:59 morphis: I find shr-settings start quite quick now Mar 10 21:44:01 morphis: well... I did not want to say that all apps should be ported to vala :P Mar 10 21:44:15 that we don't import all the plugin modules on start Mar 10 21:44:18 and yep... shr-settings got quick (compared to the beginnings) Mar 10 21:44:49 spaetz: jepp, that was great :) Mar 10 21:45:08 mrmoku: Mar 10 21:45:08 [Do Dez 25 2008] [14:36:33] i fixed that mistake long ago int he original asu theme Mar 10 21:45:08 [Do Dez 25 2008] [14:36:50] seems like someone blindly has copied it from an older version and never done any review/checking Mar 10 21:45:09 but if I look on a settings app on some other phones, shr-settings is slow Mar 10 21:45:39 morphis: agreed. but if I look on other phones evry FR app is slow :) Mar 10 21:45:43 morphis: if somebody brings up something that works to speed up python apps... we will integrate it me thinks Mar 10 21:45:45 mrmoku: that will maybe the best solution :) Mar 10 21:45:48 even those in fancy snatchy C Mar 10 21:45:58 spaetz: that is the other point :D Mar 10 21:46:39 mrmoku: great, I have started to write something, when I have done some tests I will ping you Mar 10 21:47:17 will metal tools be esd safe? Mar 10 21:47:19 BluesLee: yeah. the theme for the clock is UGLY... it does sleeps in a theme script (5 s) and then updates the clock... though as I said... I disabled that one and it still consumed CPU as mad Mar 10 21:47:28 * spaetz ponders removing some more imports for the main GUI to make startup quicker Mar 10 21:47:33 morphis: yep, fine :) Mar 10 21:47:38 mrmoku: okay, lets start to conquer the world with efl and vala :) Mar 10 21:47:55 yeah :D Mar 10 21:47:58 mrmoku: okay ... we will find it in the end ... Mar 10 21:47:59 I would need some help here: I'm trying to bitbake a little(not worthy to show, yet) elementary based jabber client. But I always get: shr-testing/tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/Elementary.h:65:18: error: Eina.h: No such file or directory Mar 10 21:48:09 * spaetz somehow doubts that vala will solve all perf problems Mar 10 21:48:11 ptitjes for sure is marching at our side ;) Mar 10 21:48:43 tada! Mar 10 21:48:45 :) Mar 10 21:48:46 richy: you are bitbaking the app only? missing dependencies me thinks Mar 10 21:49:28 spaetz: for sure, this keeps to be C code, so this has to be design with performance in mind too Mar 10 21:49:44 mrmoku, there are only to dependencies. Loudmouth and elementary Mar 10 21:49:55 bitbaking loudmouth worked fine Mar 10 21:50:34 richy: if you bitbake elementary? Mar 10 21:52:24 NOTE: Parsing finished. 6147 cached, 22 parsed, 283 skipped, 0 masked. Mar 10 21:52:24 Nothing to do. Mar 10 21:52:52 the .bb looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m5e2cac27 Mar 10 21:53:51 hmm... guess CFLAGS to not set the correct include paths then... Mar 10 21:53:59 s/to/do/ Mar 10 21:54:01 mrmoku meant: hmm... guess CFLAGS do not set the correct include paths then... Mar 10 21:54:32 how would you do that? Mar 10 21:54:53 (sry for asking easy questions, I have only done programming in eclipse & java before) Mar 10 21:55:03 (which is a little slow on the freerunner ;) ) Mar 10 21:55:33 richy: pkg-config --cflags elementary or something like that... Mar 10 21:56:31 richy: or you could do something like setting CPATH in do_compile Mar 10 21:56:47 export CPATH="${STAGING_INCDIR}/eina-0:${STAGING_INCDIR}/eina-0/eina:${STAGING_INCDIR}/dbus-1.0:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/dbus-1.0:${STAGING_LIBDIR}/dbus-1.0/include Mar 10 21:57:31 which is mrmoku's ugly way ;) Mar 10 22:00:35 * morphis is going to bed Mar 10 22:00:39 good night everybody Mar 10 22:00:42 cy Mar 10 22:00:42 a Mar 10 22:04:04 night everyone Mar 10 22:09:08 yup time to sleep :-) Mar 10 22:09:31 * mrmoku transmmitted the damn UStVA and can sleep in peace now ;) Mar 10 22:09:48 mrmoku, It didn't help, but thanks for your help anyways Mar 10 22:09:51 sleep well Mar 10 22:10:03 thanks and good luck Mar 10 22:10:23 btw. the sane way would be to have a pkg-config aware Makefile and use autotools... Mar 10 22:10:55 I guess I'll have to to a bit reading then^^ Mar 10 22:11:25 yep... but it's not difficult Mar 10 22:19:53 bye all Mar 10 22:23:30 \o/ Mar 10 22:39:40 <|Marco|> PaulFert`: http://pastebin.com/m2e5e6454 Mar 10 23:27:25 so, am I misunderstanding how the PDP methods work? ActivateContext isn't returning anything for me, so I'm not sure how I'm supposed to Deactive it Mar 10 23:33:01 i recall there was a time when there were discussions about alternative input systems Mar 10 23:33:11 like some hexagonal-keyboards and such Mar 10 23:33:23 did any of that actually make it into the illume-keyboard? Mar 10 23:42:17 * tomboy64 gets some ice-cold water and douses the chan in it Mar 10 23:54:37 DocScrutinizer: flashing seems have gone extremely well, thanks for the image Mar 11 00:05:55 :D Mar 11 00:20:14 :D Mar 11 00:45:03 * mwester looks at the puddle of ice-water beneath his firewall, and scratches his head. Mar 11 00:59:15 * Dave giggles Mar 11 01:01:52 <|Marco|> hum, I managed to dump all the contacts I had on my nokia phone to a vcard file (I belive) is there a preffered way of stuffing innto the moko ? Mar 11 01:06:23 |Marco|: i just saved them to sim Mar 11 01:23:46 <|Marco|> lindi-_: there is a block in the damn nokia so I can't do it Mar 11 01:23:54 |Marco|: block? Mar 11 01:25:33 <|Marco|> "restricted memory" or something :( Mar 11 01:28:07 :o Mar 11 02:46:58 oh god **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 11 02:59:57 2009