**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 16 02:59:57 2009 Mar 16 03:16:26 heh... everyone is asleep... ok - will buzz mailing list ;) Mar 16 07:24:57 * PaulFert` got a defective nvidia videocard with plenty of 0402 Rs and Cs. Guess what i will use it for. Mar 16 07:41:33 HEhehe Mar 16 07:44:50 boo! Mar 16 07:46:04 alphaone: how goes? Mar 16 07:46:28 Hey raster Mar 16 07:46:48 Fine here, will learn for University in a bit. Mar 16 07:47:16 How was bossa? Mar 16 07:47:27 study pants on. working pants off Mar 16 07:47:27 :) Mar 16 07:47:30 bossa was good Mar 16 07:47:34 yet another.. good bossa Mar 16 07:47:35 :) Mar 16 07:47:49 :-) Mar 16 07:48:32 too short though Mar 16 07:48:36 but no time for the wicked Mar 16 07:48:38 err Mar 16 07:48:41 no rest for the wicked Mar 16 07:48:45 need to do stuff Mar 16 07:51:26 :-) Mar 16 07:51:32 Make it nice and shiny :-) Mar 16 07:51:49 Well, gotta go. Bye Mar 16 07:54:06 ciao! Mar 16 08:14:50 morning Mar 16 08:53:29 methril|work: burrp Mar 16 08:55:17 raster: burrp?? Mar 16 08:56:00 how better to greet someone than with a sign of satisfaction Mar 16 08:56:00 :) Mar 16 09:02:14 building shr-unstable I bump into: http://zub.lamer.la/linux-openmoko-2.6.28.log Mar 16 09:02:28 i.e.: shr-unstable/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/install-sh: ./-m0644 does not exist. Mar 16 09:02:53 anybody experienced this? Mar 16 09:03:11 looking into the file, I don't even see "0644" string, so... :-/ Mar 16 09:03:33 aaa must have been an arg (?) Mar 16 09:14:25 Wow, Dale Maggee is a magnitude meaner than me. When somebody will accuse me of rudeness again, i'll tell 'em: "Look at Dale and fuck off". Mar 16 09:19:40 who's Dale Maggee? Mar 16 09:21:41 spaetz: are you available on the 1,2,3 of may ? Mar 16 09:22:31 raster: and you ? Mar 16 09:22:46 spaetz: are you european ? Mar 16 09:22:50 btw Mar 16 09:23:46 through and through Mar 16 09:24:18 ? Mar 16 09:24:24 European Mar 16 09:24:28 spaetz: he personally attacks Lorn Potter on community mailing list because he find Qtopia input methods to be utter crap. Mar 16 09:24:51 but I am traveling this year a lot to conferences already, so I promised my wife no more travels than necessary Mar 16 09:25:07 but IT is necessary! Mar 16 09:25:10 Chicago, Vienna, Hamburg, Copenhagen, Hawaii, PAdova Mar 16 09:25:16 you can add Berlin Mar 16 09:25:19 and all those jsut this year :) Mar 16 09:25:26 Would be fun. Mar 16 09:25:35 * spaetz has cousins in Berlin) Mar 16 09:26:04 PaulFert`: ahh, ok Mar 16 09:26:14 ptitjes: ummm... good q Mar 16 09:26:26 ptitjes: available how? Mar 16 09:26:33 PaulFert`: I found the most effective criticism is that with a patch included Mar 16 09:26:43 (or a pay cheque :-)) Mar 16 09:27:02 just bashing people for design decisions doesn't work well in open source Mar 16 09:28:11 raster: can't remember from where you are ? Mar 16 09:28:20 sydney Mar 16 09:28:21 ptitjes: I will argue with my wife, but I doubt it will be possible to come to Berlin Mar 16 09:28:57 raster: sure that may be a bit hard to come to europe, but if you are there by that time you are very welcome at the FSOSHRUCON09 Mar 16 09:29:22 ptitjes: can we make sure to have online accessibility for those that want to participate virtually? Mar 16 09:29:30 IRC logs, or speech recordings? Mar 16 09:29:35 aaah "be in a specific place" kind of available Mar 16 09:30:05 unfortunately right now my schedule has me in korea at that time Mar 16 09:30:54 close enough to Berlin to pop in ;) Mar 16 09:31:00 :D Mar 16 09:31:33 spaetz: we may organize some means indeed almost for the talks Mar 16 09:31:42 may 2 - 10th in .kr Mar 16 09:32:12 spaetz: where are you from ? Mar 16 09:32:19 mp3's of talks might be nice. I'm in Zurich Mar 16 09:32:26 so what is this FSOSHRUCON09? Mar 16 09:32:40 it's an attempt to break your tongue Mar 16 09:32:45 a "fso + shr on openmoko" conference for all the euro homies working on it? Mar 16 09:33:04 spaetz: you are not very far from Berlin. you may almost attend the party!! Mar 16 09:33:21 ptitjes: .-P I know. tell my wife and kid Mar 16 09:33:23 zurich is close Mar 16 09:33:26 :-P Mar 16 09:33:44 raster: FSO/SHR Users and Developers conference :D Mar 16 09:33:50 @ mrmoku Mar 16 09:33:51 and now, they won't be willing to join in on the fun :-) Mar 16 09:33:55 and no... Mar 16 09:34:03 * spaetz has a broken keyboard, it seems Mar 16 09:34:05 © mrmoku Mar 16 09:35:22 the fso-standards ml is much fast than the shr-devel one Mar 16 09:35:27 that is not fair: Mar 16 09:35:28 ! Mar 16 09:35:35 ptitjes: aha. as i thought Mar 16 09:35:50 move shr-devel? Mar 16 09:36:34 this is one thing we requested from Angus - please ask om to help the community : provide server processing and bandwith Mar 16 09:36:35 :p Mar 16 09:37:17 * raster wonders where mickey|zzZZzz is Mar 16 09:37:47 ptitjes: talked with mickey about this conf recently? Mar 16 09:38:37 I had added pyefl-sudoku into OM-dev branch. Mar 16 09:38:44 quote from a mail... Mar 16 09:38:56 sounds interesting for the shr-full image Mar 16 09:39:18 raster: yes Mar 16 09:39:45 ptitjes: cool. ping him again today. Mar 16 09:39:58 just in case... Mar 16 09:40:02 raster: why ? Mar 16 09:40:07 i'd love to come - but i'm in korea Mar 16 09:40:26 ptitjes: is there already a date for the conference? Mar 16 09:40:26 ptitjes: just... ping him :) Mar 16 09:40:41 morphis: I propose the 123 of may Mar 16 09:40:55 ptitjes: if u had another time - i was considering a trip to europe this year to pretty much do sommunity meetups, and what not Mar 16 09:41:11 ptitjes: I might see mickey beginning of April though, at openexpo in Switzerland Mar 16 09:41:35 oooh openexpo is back on Mar 16 09:41:50 not going to make that Mar 16 09:43:07 ptitjes: if i scheduled around early or late oct.. that might work well for a lot of people Mar 16 09:43:24 mid-october is CELF-europe Mar 16 09:48:24 mid-october is far Mar 16 09:49:55 raster: pity. I'd love to bug you personally about more elementary stuff ;-) Mar 16 09:50:11 :D Mar 16 09:50:42 * spaetz hasn't any pressing elementary issues currently though. Mar 16 09:51:18 spaetz: hahahah Mar 16 09:51:54 spaetz: well.. early may just happens to be my next scheduled trip overseas... so that just chose bad dates :( Mar 16 10:00:32 raster, late september will be a second openexpo near zurich.. Mar 16 10:01:41 just in case you consider visiting switzerland.. Mar 16 10:02:01 emmentaler: i am considering coming to .ch Mar 16 10:02:04 never been Mar 16 10:02:12 but i hear its rather pretty Mar 16 10:02:19 i'd consider living in .ch Mar 16 10:03:25 really?? cool.. switzerland is pretty openminded against opensource .. Mar 16 10:03:53 i have heard Mar 16 10:04:13 since i am a german citizen - it means i get "easy entry" into .ch these days Mar 16 10:04:24 (no need to apply for a visa and get sponsorship) Mar 16 10:04:47 i just like the idea of living in a chalet on a ski slope myself :) Mar 16 10:05:02 yes.. "personenfreizuegigkeit" changed a lot.. Mar 16 10:05:18 ja - genau Mar 16 10:05:57 hehe.. according to swiss law the telcos have to provide you a broadband internet connection.. so connectivity is no problem .. even in a chalet on top of a mountain Mar 16 10:06:17 hahahhaa Mar 16 10:06:19 awesome Mar 16 10:06:19 they have to provide you satellite connection if there is no other connection Mar 16 10:06:26 one problem less for me :) Mar 16 10:06:31 same in .au Mar 16 10:06:34 jup.. Mar 16 10:06:39 problem is .au is bigger than western europe Mar 16 10:06:55 so.. if u arent in one of the few cities.. chances are you get satellite Mar 16 10:06:58 and latency blows Mar 16 10:07:07 you DONT want to be stuck on satellite Mar 16 10:07:25 jop latencz is a problem.. and you dont want to use VOIP over that connection Mar 16 10:07:35 yup Mar 16 10:08:01 but still - the idea of wintertime being able to ski mornings - come back @ lunch and work the rest of the day sounds awesome to me Mar 16 10:08:02 :) Mar 16 10:08:33 also in the summer.. if you like mountainbiking or hiking - switzerland is great for you.. Mar 16 10:08:55 nah - just skiing :) Mar 16 10:09:33 in summer i'll just happily have a bbq on my balcony Mar 16 10:09:47 and enjoy the cool air and scenery Mar 16 10:10:28 .. and a tasty swiss beer.. weizen.. Mar 16 10:10:35 hahahah Mar 16 10:12:19 spring is almost here.. we have around 15 degrees near berne.. sun is shining.. the bbq season can start ;-) Mar 16 10:12:30 :) Mar 16 10:12:38 how hot does it get in summer? Mar 16 10:12:51 (normal summer day) Mar 16 10:13:35 2003 was a very hot summer then we had around 40 deg... but usually its 25-35 deg.. average 30 i would say Mar 16 10:14:26 hmm ok Mar 16 10:14:36 but thats in berne? Mar 16 10:14:39 it also depends on the region.. in south switzerland eg wallis/tessin it is around 40 deg every summer Mar 16 10:14:44 jop thats in berne Mar 16 10:14:52 thats fairly low Mar 16 10:15:36 its probably cooler in st. moritz Mar 16 10:15:37 :) Mar 16 10:15:46 i mean average.. ask thomas about the temperature in wallis valley.. he is from there.. Mar 16 10:16:16 jop if you build your chalet near a "gletscher" you will always be able to ski.. Mar 16 10:16:23 :) Mar 16 10:17:04 though really - i just prefer cool weather Mar 16 10:17:23 i've spent enough of my ,live in hot summers with 35-47 degrees Mar 16 10:17:31 err enough of my life Mar 16 10:19:40 hmm.. australia is much hotter than switzerland so moving to .ch would change this.. Mar 16 10:19:53 well .au is a big place Mar 16 10:20:01 tasmania is much cooler than.. townsville Mar 16 10:20:48 you are in townsville? Mar 16 10:21:04 like 42degrees south vs 12 degrees for darwin Mar 16 10:21:08 hahaha Mar 16 10:21:11 no sydney Mar 16 10:21:35 sydney is 33 degrees Mar 16 10:21:45 .au is a big big place Mar 16 10:22:33 berne isnt much further north (46 degrees) than hobart is south :) Mar 16 10:22:52 but hobart vs darwin in climate is total worlds of difference Mar 16 10:28:08 DocScrutinizer: would you need 2 hours or 3 hours for the buzzfix workshop ? Mar 16 10:35:42 mickey|zzZZzz? Mar 16 10:43:25 when and where is CELF europe ? i only found CELF@San Francisco.. Mar 16 10:43:40 emmentaler: grenoble, oct 15/16 Mar 16 10:44:09 thx Mar 16 10:46:33 for me it's more of a marketing thing Mar 16 10:46:45 Hey raster o/ Mar 16 10:46:58 raster: How's life? Mar 16 10:47:05 (Don't worry I have no technical question) Mar 16 10:47:11 now i'm on my own.. i need to dangle my sexy bits in front of potential customers :) Mar 16 10:47:21 Ainulindale: not bad. recoverign jetlag Mar 16 10:47:28 Heh Mar 16 10:47:38 By the way would you be interested in the FSOSHRUDCON? Mar 16 10:48:07 i would Mar 16 10:48:11 but just at a bad time Mar 16 10:48:16 i'm in korea that week Mar 16 10:48:21 Too bad :-) Mar 16 11:57:20 Is there a preferred volume control app for shr? slider/radio button/whatever? Mar 16 12:07:53 not that i know of Mar 16 12:09:40 tkx :( Mar 16 12:10:16 on line 33114 in the file /var/lib/opkg/shr-armv4t just add the line Replaces: gtk+-fastscaling anywhere after that (fixes gtk+-fastscaling dependency issue on SHR) Mar 16 12:22:25 mickey|IC79665: here for a short question? Mar 16 12:22:42 alphaone: ping here too Mar 16 12:24:37 Ainulindale: pong Mar 16 12:24:57 A query would be possible? Mar 16 12:25:10 sure Mar 16 12:25:15 query on Mar 16 12:28:55 ptitjes: I have no idea how to do such a workshop. I'm affraid we (very few guys able to do the soldering) are sitiing there the whole day Iron in hand doing buzzfix Mar 16 12:31:57 DocScrutinizer: other people can at least open the cases and protect the LCDs :) Mar 16 12:32:06 DocScrutinizer: and do testcalls for you Mar 16 12:32:26 bah, whatfor testcalls ? ;D Mar 16 12:32:37 DocScrutinizer: to verify that it worked of course? ;) Mar 16 12:32:48 just kidding Mar 16 12:32:59 heh :-) Mar 16 12:33:13 DocScrutinizer: well that's a planning, we can throw the ideas out there and ask for help :-) Mar 16 12:33:24 Although I expect you to fix mine anyway :-p Mar 16 12:34:53 Ainulindale: yup, I'll start with yours. Need more practice ;) Mar 16 12:35:10 Hmpf :-p Mar 16 12:36:08 honnestly, that's a problem. What if anybody of the "Solderman" breaks a device??? Mar 16 12:36:35 Well he will be stoned to death of course Mar 16 12:36:53 DocScrutinizer: everyone pays 10 EUR for the fix and the money is given to those whose devices get broken Mar 16 12:36:55 I'll try to talk with Steven about that Mar 16 12:36:59 lindi-: good idea Mar 16 12:37:07 lindi-: very good idea Mar 16 12:37:16 ahh, ok. That'S a possible way to deal with that Mar 16 12:37:32 DocScrutinizer: There might be a different way as well. Mar 16 12:37:39 mickey|IC79665: ah you're alive then :-) Mar 16 12:37:45 and if no devices get broken the fixer gets N% of it and others get the rest back Mar 16 12:38:08 Don't want to say too much because if it doesn't work out people will be disappointed, but... Mar 16 12:38:09 mickey|IC79665: http://pastebin.com/m21079577 <= template agenda per ptitjes Mar 16 12:38:16 mickey|IC79665: If you want to have a peek Mar 16 12:38:17 everybody should have %Nxxxx already ;D Mar 16 12:39:49 btw, what's the real status of using bluetooth headsets? Mar 16 12:39:59 it's proven to fix echo :) Mar 16 12:40:07 DocScrutinizer: yep but which models work? Mar 16 12:40:12 mickey|IC79665: when you'll have two seconds I'd like to have a private query with you :-) Mar 16 12:41:57 lindi-: I have no idea, but I think BT is kinda standardized so vast majority of headsets should work, if we get it to work at all (what already is true I think) Mar 16 12:42:06 DocScrutinizer: yeah but they don't :) Mar 16 12:42:20 DocScrutinizer: that's why list of known-to-work headsets would be really useful Mar 16 12:42:36 hmm, strange Mar 16 12:42:37 Ainulindale: lets do that when I'm at home, I#m in the IC train atm. Mar 16 12:42:44 Ainulindale: agenda looks good btew. Mar 16 12:42:49 mickey|IC79665: well that wouldn't be long anyway Mar 16 12:42:54 mickey|IC79665: but if you're busy, no problem with me Mar 16 12:43:09 not busy, but it's gprs Mar 16 12:43:10 DocScrutinizer: well, i can't get my BH-203 to work and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan can't get BH-208 to work Mar 16 12:43:11 can be off at any time Mar 16 12:43:14 but just go ahead Mar 16 12:43:17 mickey|IC79665: well agenda looks good but it puts me "in front of" everyone and it feels weird :-) Mar 16 12:43:26 hehe Mar 16 12:44:06 hmm, seems they got quite some commons. BT-20x. Maybe this series isn't that compatible as it should Mar 16 12:44:34 honestly I have no idea. Mar 16 12:45:03 DocScrutinizer: do you know somebody who has made calls with a bluetooth headset? i could ask for the model Mar 16 12:45:13 beyond what's obvious: it depends on BT driver, BT chip in FR, and chip n HS Mar 16 12:45:34 DocScrutinizer: i couldn't get it to work with external BT usb dongle on my PC Mar 16 12:46:04 so it's a problem of the headset, no? Mar 16 12:46:20 DocScrutinizer: but it works with any nokia phone ;) Mar 16 12:47:09 I have a Sony HBH-DS220 here and it works great with quite a number of devices. Never tested with FR though Mar 16 12:47:12 mickey|IC79665: One question though, the buzz fix on the agenda is not officially supported by OM or is it? I would like to get the buzz fixed, but alas, if it voids warranty that will be a problem :-/ Mar 16 12:47:27 it is not supported Mar 16 12:47:30 and will not be Mar 16 12:47:35 that's all i can say Mar 16 12:47:37 it's a private thing Mar 16 12:51:41 DocScrutinizer: can you test with FR? Mar 16 12:52:10 I can do eventually Mar 16 13:02:08 alphaone, mrmoku`, ptitjes: you have a mail Mar 16 13:04:08 (I'd like to hear your thoughts about that) Mar 16 13:04:26 (same for mickey|IC79665 ;-) ) Mar 16 13:04:44 k Mar 16 13:04:56 (private answers are accepted) Mar 16 13:05:03 (as well as money given freely) Mar 16 13:05:06 (or naked pictures) Mar 16 13:05:11 (of your girlfriend, not you) Mar 16 13:05:21 heh Mar 16 13:14:41 yo mirko Mar 16 13:14:44 roh was asking for you Mar 16 13:14:46 join #opie.de Mar 16 13:14:59 mickey|IC79665: have him on another channel Mar 16 13:15:01 thx Mar 16 13:15:06 ah, alerady done Mar 16 13:15:15 was confused about the "unknown" number showing on my phone Mar 16 13:15:19 so even that worked Mar 16 13:15:21 hehe Mar 16 13:15:25 :) Mar 16 13:15:28 paroli rocks Mar 16 13:16:21 yeah i am happy Mar 16 13:18:14 mrmoku`, ptitjes, mickey|IC79665 Mar 16 13:18:23 THought about LXDE as an alternate wm? Mar 16 13:19:32 me not really. i don't need a wm other than for the a virtual keyboard Mar 16 13:20:07 Just wondering about the technical issues w.r.t. the availability Mar 16 13:20:30 mickey|IC79665: And FYI, Python can't rock, keep that in mind! :-p Mar 16 13:24:00 Ainulindale: not if lxde means moving again to a new GUI framework Mar 16 13:24:13 That wasn't the implication Mar 16 13:24:19 I merely was talking about offering an alternative to the user Mar 16 13:24:22 k :-) Mar 16 13:24:24 After all that's what SHR is about Mar 16 13:24:42 was just afraid my new elementary knowledge was in danger of becoming obsolete :) Mar 16 13:24:58 but that FYP screenshot does look nice Mar 16 13:25:00 No, no, I still think that illume is the best, but that's only because raster would hate me if I didn't Mar 16 13:25:08 hehe Mar 16 13:25:13 u'd need lxde to provide vkbd support, ui policies friendly to tiny screens etc. Mar 16 13:25:32 The Fyp guys did that it seems Mar 16 13:25:43 but thats up to you Mar 16 13:25:45 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fyp Mar 16 13:25:49 i dont mind one way or another Mar 16 13:25:54 raster: I'm personally staying with illume :-) Mar 16 13:26:01 I just think that that offering an alternative is a good thing Mar 16 13:26:33 s/that that/that/ Mar 16 13:26:33 Ainulindale meant: I just think that offering an alternative is a good thing Mar 16 13:26:36 fair enough Mar 16 13:26:47 I don't mind not offering an alternative and making illume rock even more Mar 16 13:26:54 as i said - i'm agnostic Mar 16 13:27:04 illume is currently just on a backburner until i get time for it Mar 16 13:27:28 but really no one else is working on illume while i'm off on elementary/evas/edje etc. Mar 16 13:27:59 heh Mar 16 13:32:17 raster: no news about this dictionnary thing by the way? Mar 16 13:36:07 Ainulindale: what thing? Mar 16 13:36:27 what the UTF fix generated as a problem Mar 16 13:36:35 (slow dictionnary matching) Mar 16 13:37:26 i reverted that Mar 16 13:37:28 in svn Mar 16 13:37:36 the fix is no longer in Mar 16 13:37:38 the UTF fix you mean? Mar 16 13:37:42 but utf support is of course borken Mar 16 13:37:44 yes Mar 16 13:37:47 its fast again Mar 16 13:37:52 but dont expect anything more than ascii to work Mar 16 13:37:55 Too bad, UTF is a must have IMHO :-/ Mar 16 13:38:03 no can help Mar 16 13:38:04 (I can't bear writing without accents in french) Mar 16 13:38:04 no time Mar 16 13:38:15 Yep, I understand that Mar 16 13:38:27 You should really throw your life aside and get your hands dirty :-) Mar 16 13:38:54 no - people paying me are paying me to do other things Mar 16 13:39:10 and my priority is those putting a roof over my head and food in my mouth Mar 16 13:39:19 Damn. I thought you were able to live out of sheer coding Mar 16 13:39:46 Don't you have some fat you can burn in order to live without eating food just enough time to fix this thing? :-) Mar 16 13:39:56 no Mar 16 13:40:05 if u have seen todays economy Mar 16 13:40:11 Sheesh, you don't eat enough then Mar 16 13:40:17 if someone is paying.. i'm going to take all the money i can when i can Mar 16 13:40:22 heh :-) Mar 16 13:40:26 so i have fat built up.. for a rainy day when it stops Mar 16 13:40:27 :) Mar 16 13:40:45 well here in France the sky isn't bright but not rainy either Mar 16 13:41:08 I'm paid well enough to settle my bills & enjoy some books and plays and whatnot Mar 16 13:42:19 Too bad you won't be able to attend our meeting I would have liked taunting you face to face :-) Mar 16 13:42:22 i am not paid at all here Mar 16 13:42:27 unless i work for someone Mar 16 13:42:32 Huh? Mar 16 13:43:20 i contract Mar 16 13:43:26 i dont have a job Mar 16 13:43:31 i dont have an employer Mar 16 13:44:00 it means in 2 months my current contract is over and i have no income Mar 16 13:44:34 Independant contracting then? Mar 16 13:44:39 yes Mar 16 13:44:47 and as my girlfiend doesnt pay any rent Mar 16 13:44:49 doesnt pay for any food Mar 16 13:44:50 or bills Mar 16 13:44:53 she pays for nothing Mar 16 13:44:57 i have to support 2 people Mar 16 13:45:08 Well ditch your girlfriend then Mar 16 13:45:17 so - i am going to work my arse off when i can Mar 16 13:45:21 :-) Mar 16 13:45:25 because thats how i will be able to live Mar 16 13:45:38 sad - but it's tempting Mar 16 13:45:38 Well that's only why I'm not an independant Mar 16 13:45:45 (that and the fact that I'm too young for that IMHO) Mar 16 13:45:47 i've been basically paying for her life for years now Mar 16 13:46:18 Heh, everybody tells you're too kind and understanding :-> Mar 16 13:46:30 Did she write some use cases for your life-sharing arrangement? :-p Mar 16 13:47:01 :-P Mar 16 13:47:05 no Mar 16 13:47:20 but every time i strike a deal of "you pay for x, i pay for y" that never happens Mar 16 13:47:23 Then you have an easy excuse to ditch her :-p Mar 16 13:47:34 or it lasts a few months before she just quits her job and decides to bum off me Mar 16 13:48:38 * raster grumbles Mar 16 13:49:30 any insights on using lzo versus zlib for the jffs2-compression? Mar 16 13:49:40 = is the speed-difference noticeable? Mar 16 13:49:54 PaulFert`? Mar 16 13:50:07 Ainulindale: Yes? Mar 16 13:50:28 PaulFert`: saw your mail on community Mar 16 13:50:41 reading it Mar 16 13:50:58 Would it be inappropriate to ask for comments? Mar 16 13:50:58 Ainulindale: which one? Mar 16 13:51:19 well the IRC log Mar 16 13:52:46 Ainulindale: ah, that one. I've thought about why i asked "inappropriate" questions and treated Mirko unfairly for quite some time now. I'm going to write a letter to him (and cc devel) about why i did that. Mar 16 13:53:23 PaulFert`: just start sending patches for the things u want Mar 16 13:53:42 *IF* the patches are rejected or after a long period ignored without a "why" when asked Mar 16 13:53:48 then... you have a good case Mar 16 13:53:50 Ainulindale: i'd prefer you ask for comments here, on semi-public channel though, community has strange reactions. Mar 16 13:54:00 imho - thats the best leg to stand on Mar 16 13:54:38 i replied with some practical advice on how to get what u want Mar 16 13:54:43 its a fairly small patch away Mar 16 13:55:16 raster: I know. But my problem is that i see Mirko like a "collaborator" with those people who abused your talent. He tries to avoid the politics, but for me it's important. Basically that's why i act that way. Mar 16 13:56:59 i understand why he doesnt want to... Mar 16 13:57:03 meat. sandwich. Mar 16 13:57:30 irrespective of whihc side he likes/thinks is right/prefers Mar 16 13:57:36 he is meat in a sandwich Mar 16 13:58:03 Yeah. But he could have hinted from the beginning which side he's on. Mar 16 13:58:06 between peole in om who do not want to participate with community and defend their position to community or whatever Mar 16 13:58:16 and the community Mar 16 13:58:19 he is stuck between Mar 16 13:58:28 you know which side i am on Mar 16 13:58:33 The problem is that Mar 16 13:58:37 when it comes down to "what's right" Mar 16 13:58:38 You can't say a project is a community project Mar 16 13:58:45 Yes, i know. You were there. And we all knew which side you were that time (as now). Mar 16 13:58:46 When the community has little say in it Mar 16 13:58:52 Any decision must be made by and for the community, IMHO Mar 16 13:58:55 if its neither here nor there (blue or green - its just a preference) those that pay bills win :) Mar 16 13:59:04 That's why I'll stand my grounds and keep SHR that way Mar 16 13:59:18 Ainulindale: good call Mar 16 13:59:28 i think the community is a greta resource Mar 16 13:59:38 And if people don't like my calls or judgements, they can fork, I don't mind Mar 16 13:59:46 and a lot of companies get this idea that a community suddenly becomes "free development resources" Mar 16 13:59:51 Or throw me out for that matter Mar 16 14:00:00 When we'll reach enough momentum anyway I plan to do some kind of formal "election" or "board" for the decision process Mar 16 14:00:05 but there is a cost for that Mar 16 14:00:10 you partially lose control Mar 16 14:00:11 raster: yep Mar 16 14:00:23 * spaetz nods Mar 16 14:00:24 you need to engage and have them be able to even negate some decisions of yours Mar 16 14:00:30 raster: well I don't see OM as a "I loose control" company Mar 16 14:00:35 Not w.r.t. the outside anyway Mar 16 14:00:40 ther is ONLY 1 way you get community AND get to make the final call - even if community doesnt like it Mar 16 14:00:42 They loose control all by themselves on the inside :-) Mar 16 14:00:52 you have worked your arse off for so many years and eart their total respect Mar 16 14:00:54 () Mar 16 14:00:58 they may disagree Mar 16 14:01:47 but they know that time after time - year after years, you were "right" in the end. and so rthey may disagree now - but somewhere they have that inking feeling "i am right.. i think... but.. they have bene right so many times.. maybe i will let it go" Mar 16 14:02:21 you dont get that position just by putting up thje "we're an open source/device/whatever" company on your door Mar 16 14:02:22 :) Mar 16 14:02:34 you earn it through years of tough work Mar 16 14:03:08 Well anyway, to me it just feels as if I have no or little say in anything remotely related to the official line Mar 16 14:03:46 reality is.. you don't Mar 16 14:03:46 I have little say just because I'm a bit "known" and I can talk to the right people Mar 16 14:03:46 But I'm mostly ignored Mar 16 14:03:46 (As I'm a whiny son of a bitch) Mar 16 14:03:56 you can contribute by doing their work for them Mar 16 14:04:02 yep Mar 16 14:04:02 file bug reports Mar 16 14:04:08 or do your own distro/apps/image Mar 16 14:04:15 raster: let me be a hopeless idealist will you? :-) Mar 16 14:04:20 raster: that's what I did ;-) Mar 16 14:04:24 and totally ignore the "official line" Mar 16 14:04:30 :) Mar 16 14:05:05 om's position is "its open - we made it open just so you could do this - so go do it, but dont tell us how to write/design the software we work on" Mar 16 14:05:07 pretty much Mar 16 14:05:16 and ok - fair enough Mar 16 14:05:34 but in that case - dont try and pretend community is involved at all Mar 16 14:05:46 different case Mar 16 14:06:03 * mwester has found life much better when he began to ignore Om entirely. Mar 16 14:06:12 hahaha Mar 16 14:06:16 * mwester recommends that policy. Mar 16 14:06:21 if i were asking i'd be asking the important question - is community involved - can community simply send patches to make it pink and blue, with all the butotns moved around etc. Mar 16 14:06:24 can they do it? Mar 16 14:06:46 chances are u wiill get evasive answers, none or a "no you cant" Mar 16 14:07:46 mwester: Well I can't, I still need free development samples :-) Mar 16 14:07:59 Plus there are good people working for OM anyway Mar 16 14:08:08 more borken phones, you want??? Mar 16 14:08:39 ahhaha Mar 16 14:09:03 * mwester has decided he doesn't want a 3D874L8445LDS48u4 (aka GTA03), even if it was free -- those things suck the happiness out of one's life. :( Mar 16 14:09:04 mwester: yeah they're doing a great job to level my table Mar 16 14:09:17 Hmm. Now there's a practical use. Mar 16 14:09:36 haha :-) Mar 16 14:10:29 mwester: theres much better hardware probably coming out int he next year from other vendors Mar 16 14:10:35 the problem is.. will it be open/.hackable Mar 16 14:10:39 They're a lot like women, in that way. Despite the fact that they can make your life so miserable, you end up deciding to keep them anyway, despite all the problems. Mar 16 14:10:56 And you don't really understand why Mar 16 14:11:02 hahahahhaa Mar 16 14:11:07 mwester: you mean when you hear what they output it's unbearable, and you can't really understand it? Mar 16 14:11:25 hehe - that's good to. Mar 16 14:11:33 (good thing my wife isn't on IRC) Mar 16 14:11:34 And sometimes they panic with no appearent reason? :-) Mar 16 14:11:49 mwester: thats a good thing about irc.. its a natural filter Mar 16 14:11:51 :) Mar 16 14:11:55 mwester: well she would buzz fix your head with a nice frying pan Mar 16 14:12:15 Nah, they only do that early in a marriage. Mar 16 14:12:32 Later on they discover other ways that leave no marks. Mar 16 14:12:37 :D :P Mar 16 14:12:52 Anyway, good see you again, mr. raster Mar 16 14:12:59 Such as the migraine paradigm? Mar 16 14:13:06 ;-) Mar 16 14:13:30 That's only because you're old mwester, you're not as attractive as you were Mar 16 14:13:43 that's for sure. Mar 16 14:13:44 mwester: likewise :) Mar 16 14:14:11 mwester: As for myself, as I'm young, bearded, overly muscular and good looking, I'm as honey to a fly. Mar 16 14:14:20 * spaetz puts irc log on web page and mails mewester's wife Mar 16 14:14:23 (just kidding) Mar 16 14:14:43 Ah... and you typed that with a straight face, Ainulindale ? :-D Mar 16 14:15:12 haha :-) Mar 16 14:15:26 mwester: well don't worry about that Mar 16 14:15:45 * mwester thinks that's more a description of a soccer player than anyone he's met that works with computers all day. Mar 16 14:15:57 Since my ex-girlfriend dumped me I've been amazed at the fact I was able to catch a nice intelligent blonde Mar 16 14:16:52 Well, again congratulations on that! :-) Mar 16 14:17:21 Yeah I'm quite happy about that Mar 16 14:17:30 _intelligent_ ... _blonde_ ... don't lie will you ;) Mar 16 14:17:39 I don't Mar 16 14:17:46 She's a PhD student in philosophy Mar 16 14:18:18 must be an alien like in Man in Black Mar 16 14:18:24 I've warned you about philosophy students -- don't get into any arguments! Mar 16 14:18:27 * spaetz has an intelligent blonde wife Mar 16 14:18:27 :D Mar 16 14:18:41 Well anyway no wonder I can work again on SHR (or at least say I do) :-) Mar 16 14:18:43 Ainulindale: is she paying for dinner? Mar 16 14:18:52 raster: hmmm right now no :-) Mar 16 14:18:57 tonight? Mar 16 14:18:58 :) Mar 16 14:18:58 But that's only because I'm a gentleman Mar 16 14:19:05 But I conned her into cutting vegetables for the meal Mar 16 14:19:08 Ainulindale: does she cook? Mar 16 14:19:41 * mwester waits for someone to throw something at him Mar 16 14:20:21 mwester: yep Mar 16 14:20:21 mwester: that is not the important question - cooking is fun - does she iron? Mar 16 14:20:28 raster: all this week-end Mar 16 14:20:37 bumbl: I have a cleaning lady for that Mar 16 14:20:49 ah then Mar 16 14:20:49 * mwester agrees that cooking can be a lot of fun... but he doesn't know anything about this thing called "ironing" Mar 16 14:21:36 Ironing is as useful as qtopia. Looks fancy, but real hackers doesn't need it for anything. Mar 16 14:21:50 ooooof!!!!! *smack* Mar 16 14:22:15 * spaetz suspects mwester was hit by an iron from behind Mar 16 14:22:15 * mwester hides his functional GTA01 running qt extended. Mar 16 14:22:39 no, I was hit by a qtopia put-down! :p Mar 16 14:22:44 hehe Mar 16 14:22:52 Ainulindale: she cooks? wow! Mar 16 14:23:12 Yeah but so do I Mar 16 14:23:15 mwester: so you don't consider ironing useful, do you? ;) Mar 16 14:23:26 That's ok. I'm even more evil, in Paul's eyes, I think... I have a gta02 running Android. Mar 16 14:23:33 * Ainulindale kills mwester Mar 16 14:23:48 * raster kills mwester Mar 16 14:23:52 * mwester holds up the other gta02 running SHR and begs for mercy Mar 16 14:24:31 That's not evil, i just don't see any fun or profit from that. Mar 16 14:24:51 And the last gta01 isn't running anything... I tried to load up the latest .29 kernel on it, and it's quite non-useful. :( Mar 16 14:24:52 mwester: NO MERCY Mar 16 14:26:08 PaulFert`: Ah -- but it's all about profit. I have managed to get android involved in my job. So this way I can play with the phones as part of my job. Mar 16 14:26:53 I think I can convince folks that time spend with Nokia/Qt stuff would be worthwhile as well, but that's about as far as I can extend it. Mar 16 14:27:44 mwester: I'm not black-and-white person anymore. I just like to argue. And sometimes i feel a need to support the side of people opposed to money and business. Mar 16 14:29:49 :-) Debating has long be recognized as a healthy means of keeping oneself sharp, and avoiding "thinking in ruts". I too enjoy some arguments. At one time I too was against money and business, but sometime between getting married, and having three kids to put through school, I seem to have become far more practical. Mar 16 14:32:42 mwester: Finding a girl whom i can tolerate and who can tolerate me proved to be a not easy task, so that is not a major concern for me atm. ;) Mar 16 14:46:25 opkg list |grep PaulFert`_compatible_girl Mar 16 14:47:59 opkg sucks i don't count on it. Even the probability of being happy with a /dev/urandom output is more. Mar 16 14:48:26 well... urandom is what you get with *any* girl :P Mar 16 14:48:52 oh my. todays irc logs may never be shown to many wifes... Mar 16 14:48:57 :) Mar 16 14:49:28 And the wind is crying for a love that won't grow cold. My lover, she's lying on the dark side of the globe. If we could just join hands... Mar 16 14:49:30 mwester: do you have more mokos than Dave Mar 16 14:49:31 ? Mar 16 14:50:54 PaulFert`: isn't it that all the russian women emmigrate into other countries? Mar 16 14:53:14 mrmoku`: any upgrades for shr-testing planned? Mar 16 14:53:51 why would there be major upgrades? all the breakng happens in unstable now Mar 16 14:53:59 Zorkman_: nothing planned Mar 16 14:54:17 if unstable stabilizes I guess we will start to move stuff into testing Mar 16 14:54:20 I don't think there are going to be many changes in testing but small bugfixes Mar 16 14:54:25 developers! developers! developers! Mar 16 14:54:32 mrmoku`: might still take some time :) Mar 16 14:54:39 yep :P Mar 16 14:54:40 oh.. this isnt' #ms.. Mar 16 14:54:56 can someone tell me why make update is broken? Mar 16 14:55:04 Zorkman_: Did you test evopedia ? Mar 16 14:55:09 If we only got rid of the e cpu hog bug, that alone would warrant a new testing Mar 16 14:55:13 i keep getting questions about which branch Mar 16 14:55:30 mrmoku`: shaved off 1.4 sec startup time of the GSM screen in shr-settings Mar 16 14:55:37 spaetz: :-) Mar 16 14:55:42 starox_: I couldn't because the kernel of shr-testing doesn't support squasfs Mar 16 14:55:50 dos1 had a debug dbus call left in that I removed. easy fix :) Mar 16 14:55:51 toggles_w: how is your build dir set up? Mar 16 14:55:53 does the new version work with shr-testing? Mar 16 14:56:06 but there is more low hanging fruit with that screen Mar 16 14:56:36 /hacking/moko/shr/... where it attempts to cd into /hacking/moko/shr/openembedded/openmoko and do a git pull, this results in: You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you Mar 16 14:56:37 * Zorkman_ never experienced the e cpu hog bug (not that i know of) Mar 16 14:56:58 Zorkman_: you don't know it if you don't check it Mar 16 14:57:06 toggles_w: cd openmoko? Mar 16 14:57:09 Damn Oracle Identity Manager Mar 16 14:57:12 Gives me too much work Mar 16 14:57:20 Zorkman_: enlightenment uses 12% CPU on my moko with screen saver turned on Mar 16 14:57:24 Ainulindale: you're lazy ;) Mar 16 14:57:36 mrmoku`: sorry cd /hacking/moko/shr/openembedded/ Mar 16 14:57:38 Yep Mar 16 14:57:40 I am Mar 16 14:57:42 mrmoku`: got my mail? Mar 16 14:57:44 spaetz: yeah i'm aware of the bug, but just could never reproduce it Mar 16 14:57:54 Zorkman_: ahh, lucky you Mar 16 14:57:54 Oh by the way spaetz Mar 16 14:58:03 * spaetz expects the whip now Mar 16 14:58:04 Zorkman_: don't know, I will install shr and test it. Did you try "opkg install kernel-module-loop kernel-module-squashfs" ? Mar 16 14:58:05 I have a boring task for you if you're willing to do it :-) Mar 16 14:58:09 mrmoku`: i can reproduce by hand, if i cd, the guit pull fails, any idea what branch and what to update? Mar 16 14:58:14 This would be a nice punishment for the ringtone commit :-) Mar 16 14:58:25 pfeww, now whip. yes master, what task? Mar 16 14:58:26 toggles_w: did you change branch in there? ... anyway... rm -rf openembedded shr-testing/openembedded shr-unstable/openembedded Mar 16 14:58:29 :) Mar 16 14:58:29 and then make setup Mar 16 14:58:34 no whip Mar 16 14:58:35 I'd like someone to summarize the whole "new thoughts" thread and sort it out a bit Mar 16 14:58:41 Would you be up to it or is it too boring? Mar 16 14:58:51 too time consuming ATM Mar 16 14:58:53 mrmoku`: aww.. i was hoping to aviod that.. Mar 16 14:58:56 oh well Mar 16 14:58:59 Ok, nevermind :-) Mar 16 14:59:05 haven't followed mailing list las couple days, really Mar 16 14:59:18 day job intrudes Mar 16 14:59:20 toggles_w: well... it is *not* your tmp... just the openembedded source you have to reclone Mar 16 14:59:30 mrmoku`: ok, thansk Mar 16 14:59:48 Ainulindale: I'd say those ideas should be split out and put into trac Mar 16 14:59:50 starox_: * Cannot find package kernel-module-squashfs. Mar 16 14:59:52 spaetz: what's this mess! I thought you were available! Quit your job at once :-) Mar 16 15:00:09 Ainulindale: btw... will take my time to answer your mail Mar 16 15:00:10 spaetz: well first we want to split them, categorize them, sort them, then priorize them Mar 16 15:00:10 mrmoku`: any way that kernel module could be added to shr? Mar 16 15:00:22 Then discuss their implementation Mar 16 15:00:24 * spaetz agrees. would be nice to capture those stuff Mar 16 15:00:43 Zorkman_: no idea Mar 16 15:00:49 is it in FSO? Mar 16 15:00:55 * mrmoku` does not think so... Mar 16 15:00:58 Did someone say the e-consumes-cpu-cycles-like-the-government-consumes-money problem is fixed? Mar 16 15:01:04 * spaetz will do in next few days, Ainulindale. If nobody beats me to it Mar 16 15:01:07 mrmoku`: it was in the kernel of the OLD shr-testing Mar 16 15:01:08 from december Mar 16 15:01:12 mwester: no :((( Mar 16 15:01:20 mwester: no... we still have some cpu left ;) Mar 16 15:01:31 spaetz: no problem :-) Mar 16 15:01:31 contrary to the govts Mar 16 15:02:10 mrmoku`: ;-) rather like the government's assessment of the economy: it's not totally bad; we still have some people we can increase taxes on! Mar 16 15:02:51 Ok, seriously - what's the plan on that cpu consumption bug? Mar 16 15:02:53 hmm Mar 16 15:02:54 Anyone looking at it? Mar 16 15:03:06 genlist widget isn't in py-elm yet? Mar 16 15:03:30 mwester: nope. raster has no time. mrmoku seems to have given up. Ainulindale has a gf now, I am incompetent Mar 16 15:03:36 :) Mar 16 15:03:57 Hmmm... Mar 16 15:03:58 mwester: I compared theme and config... have no clue how to get at it :( Mar 16 15:04:38 I have no time, I have a family, and I am incompetent. However, I am also extemely stubborn. :D Perhaps I shall look at it... Mar 16 15:04:44 mwester: disabled ugly parts of the theme... which did not help Mar 16 15:05:21 * spaetz cheers mwester Mar 16 15:05:37 If I fix it, can I send the bill to Om? Mar 16 15:06:44 mwester: at least I'm sure you will have many free beers whenever you come to europe :-) Mar 16 15:07:38 Yep Mar 16 15:07:41 I concurr Mar 16 15:07:47 (about the beer thing) Mar 16 15:08:05 mwester: beers are ready in Switzerland too Mar 16 15:08:14 Yeah but they aren't that good Mar 16 15:08:22 Only true beer are belgian anyway Mar 16 15:08:24 +s Mar 16 15:08:24 haha Mar 16 15:08:28 true Mar 16 15:08:33 * spaetz agrees. but don't get me started on the french sugared stuff :) Mar 16 15:08:38 I don't drink that Mar 16 15:08:40 beer in switzerland sucks Mar 16 15:08:56 The only beer from switzerland I ever (tried to) drink is the Samischlauss (?) Mar 16 15:08:57 * mrmoku` wonders if anybody in here ever tried the *real* beer (which is bavarian) Mar 16 15:09:01 * spaetz agrees. as a German in Switzerland I can do that Mar 16 15:09:03 start with b too... but BAVARIAN Mar 16 15:09:05 Tastes like porto on the road Mar 16 15:09:11 yeah Mar 16 15:09:18 Bavarian, Austrian an Czech Mar 16 15:09:23 Nah. Belgian. Mar 16 15:09:26 s/an /and/ Mar 16 15:09:27 bumbl meant: Bavarian, Austriandan Czech Mar 16 15:09:35 bah Mar 16 15:09:38 bad bzzbot Mar 16 15:09:53 You don't have any taste. If you continue like that you'll end up using Android. Mar 16 15:10:06 (Or Paroli :-p ) Mar 16 15:10:28 (How nasty am I, seriously) Mar 16 15:10:46 haha Mar 16 15:10:49 Hi guys! I've installed Debian on my FR... running some version of 2.6.28 (I guess OMs)... but eth0 (wireless) is not available at all... I never asked myself what is the driver needed for it? Mar 16 15:10:56 Ainulindale: could be Mar 16 15:11:57 never drank any belgian beer so i can't assess Mar 16 15:12:21 belgian is the best! ;) Mar 16 15:12:28 laterz Mar 16 15:12:49 hmm /me plans to go to froscon in the next 10 years to try out ;) Mar 16 15:13:01 * mrmoku` remebers having seen a documentary about belgian beer in different colors and flavours... which made me shake my had and say 'Die spinnen die Belgier' ;) Mar 16 15:13:30 haha Mar 16 15:13:33 haha Mar 16 15:13:37 haha Mar 16 15:13:42 mmh, strawberry beer. and triple breed beer Mar 16 15:13:49 * spaetz needs to stop. getting thirsty Mar 16 15:13:53 sounds frightening Mar 16 15:14:03 triple brewed, even Mar 16 15:15:01 eyes on Austria @ cnn world Mar 16 15:17:38 strange, changing `Categories=GTK;Application;Utility;' to `Categories=GTK;Applications;Utility;' in vala-terminal.desktop, then restarting xserver-nodm brought down the cpu-usage of e to >1 % (perhaps i am not the only one...) Mar 16 15:17:40 austria rulz...but its sad how its making its "glory" Mar 16 15:17:50 haha yes Mar 16 15:18:08 i am austrian : ) and i am proud, but sad things happend here Mar 16 15:18:19 Azog: sometimes just moving a desktop file to /tmp and back will fix e cpu consumption Mar 16 15:18:20 not only fritzl, also hitler was austrian : / Mar 16 15:18:45 sometimes just a SIGHUP enlightenment will fix it reportedly Mar 16 15:20:05 i dont know what causes it Mar 16 15:20:06 root_at: well as Mittermeier said: the austrians were genius as they made Hitler a German and Beethoven an Austrian Mar 16 15:20:16 but one particular change in om kernel startyed it happening Mar 16 15:20:20 and it only happens on shr Mar 16 15:20:25 in certain conditions Mar 16 15:20:30 ie - if u have enouhg apps installed Mar 16 15:20:33 * mwester listens to raster Mar 16 15:20:33 spaetz: for me it seems, that e chokes on some .desktop-files Mar 16 15:20:38 raster: how finnished is the genlist widget? Mar 16 15:20:43 which makes it fun to reproduce to debug Mar 16 15:20:49 bumbl, true..are you a german? Mar 16 15:20:49 bumbl: pretty Mar 16 15:20:53 tree should work Mar 16 15:21:02 i have spotted a buglet Mar 16 15:21:04 but it works Mar 16 15:21:06 root_at: no kangaroos in austria ;) Mar 16 15:21:24 ah ok Mar 16 15:21:35 so i just have to wait for py-elm integration Mar 16 15:21:36 raster, then should it occur in the full image and not the shr-lite image? Mar 16 15:21:53 with 20 icons vs 12 (or so)? Mar 16 15:22:25 btw. someone familiar with http://rafb.net/p/KELgqA17.html why does python-ecore fail? Mar 16 15:22:29 probably Mar 16 15:22:30 raster: would the strace help you? Mar 16 15:22:40 no - so far it hasnt helped Mar 16 15:22:45 (straces) Mar 16 15:22:49 it is doing gettimeofday and reading/writing to some unix socket like crazy Mar 16 15:22:52 mmh, k Mar 16 15:23:04 (or why is ‘ECORE_EVAS_ENGINE_SDL’ undeclared but used) Mar 16 15:24:26 my straces look like that: http://dpaste.com/15094/ Mar 16 15:26:38 spaetz: is this a strace of e? Mar 16 15:26:46 Azog yes Mar 16 15:27:04 and the file desriptor 4 it reads from and writes to is this according to lsof: Mar 16 15:27:08 enlighten 1402 root 4u unix 0xc7b56680 2706 socket Mar 16 15:27:16 my strace is http://dpaste.com/15096/ Mar 16 15:27:23 a unix socket. But that is as far as I got... Mar 16 15:28:26 raster: I had it on FSO too Mar 16 15:28:51 Azog: looks like its doing much more inbetween, but I see at least 2 ioctl(4, FIONREAD), select...TIMEOUT gettimeofday in your snippet too Mar 16 15:29:39 maybe we shout trace Xglamo instead... see what it is doing Mar 16 15:29:53 s/shout/should/ Mar 16 15:29:54 mrmoku` meant: maybe we should trace Xglamo instead... see what it is doing Mar 16 15:29:58 mrmoku`: is there a way to find out if the unix socket is the X socket? Mar 16 15:31:06 anyone? ;) what should be wifi module for GTA02 on 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 ? Mar 16 15:32:11 yoh, lookup in the network dir? Mar 16 15:32:55 root_at, do you mean /lib/modules/2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26/kernel/drivers/net ? Mar 16 15:33:18 spaetz: don't know... Mar 16 15:35:18 hmmm... no. Xglamo does nothing Mar 16 15:35:29 yoh, yeah something like that Mar 16 15:35:32 yoh: do you think it is compiled as a module? Mar 16 15:35:45 i dont know it exactly Mar 16 15:36:11 lindi-, not sure... that is wy I am just asking which one should be it so I could check config ... does anyone have wifi working on FR to check for me? Mar 16 15:36:21 yoh: i have Mar 16 15:36:26 yoh: on SHR it's built in Mar 16 15:37:40 I just wonder where to look now since I guess it is not pci per se.... may be find /sys -iname *eth0* would help -- there should be 'driver' symlink under directory there Mar 16 15:38:36 yoh: CONFIG_AR6000_WLAN=y Mar 16 15:39:42 damn... that one is loaded... nevertheless ifconfig eth0 says no device... damn Mar 16 15:39:59 iwconfig also finds nothing :-/ Mar 16 15:41:24 I wonder if "ar6000_wow interrupt" in dmesg is smth relevant ;) Mar 16 15:41:56 yoh: is it bound? Mar 16 15:42:15 yoh: echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/bind Mar 16 15:42:32 hmm... why is /var/volatile doubly mounted? Mar 16 15:43:23 lindi-, what are you trying to do with this command? ;) Mar 16 15:43:53 also sys_wlan_driver is not defined... but ok... there is no bind under /sys/module/ar6000 Mar 16 15:46:53 yoh: bind the wlan driver? Mar 16 15:47:31 yoh: it is defined here :-) for example /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi -- depends on your kernel Mar 16 15:49:19 lindi-, pardon my ignorance... but not sure how to accomplish binding... moreover when I do (I am roo) cutting of bind file I get: cat: /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi/bind: Permission denied Mar 16 15:50:00 ah... now I see what you tried to do with that echo ;) Mar 16 15:51:17 ok -- under /sys/bus/sdio/drivers/sdio_ar6000 did echo 's3c2440-sdi' > bind and it said that write error: No such device Mar 16 15:51:51 I guess I better reboot under FSO and look how things look there (if eth0 or wlan0 or whatever is avail there) Mar 16 15:52:05 yoh: can you write to unbind? Mar 16 15:52:18 nope... same Mar 16 15:53:50 unloading/loading ar6000 lead to [15128.505000] HIFInit in dmesg... + when loading few warnings about to be deprecated files under /etc/modprobe.d Mar 16 15:54:03 but that should be irrelevant... Mar 16 15:54:19 yoh: have you written to power_on? Mar 16 15:55:26 hmm from a programmers point of view: does it make sense to use sqlite for config managment when i use sqlite for datastorage anyway (so that i don't have to load configparser module which takes its time too) Mar 16 15:56:04 lindi-, did now... iwconfig empty... unloaded/loaded ar6000... iwconfig empty -- tried to do bind thingie -- same no device :-/ Mar 16 15:56:20 a power_on did via ./devices/platform/gta02-pm-wlan.0/power_on Mar 16 15:56:28 echo "1" Mar 16 16:00:14 anyone knows how to use watchpoints on variables in gdb? Mar 16 16:00:50 eg break if variable != 0x42 Mar 16 16:01:47 meanwhile... if I click on a screen whenever it is in 'SUSPENDED' mode (not really in suspended actually but screen is dark black), I see @@ UNSUSPEND event, but it doesn't bring screen light back on... only if I press AUX button I see IDLE STATE = busy change and it brings light up... I wonder what to fix so it does prings light on UNSUSPEND as well? Mar 16 16:11:06 on FSO seems to be the same story... and also see ar6000_wow interrupt in dmesg... heh heh... Mar 16 16:11:48 on SHR -- what is the kernel? 2.6.28? Mar 16 16:13:35 yoh: 2.6.28-rc4 on SHR testing Mar 16 16:14:00 jhass840, thanks... seems to be the same on FSO Mar 16 16:16:24 which software package is responsible for shutting down the fr on pressing the pwr-button? Mar 16 16:16:42 thanks everyone in any case! I will deal with it later ;) Mar 16 16:17:13 i have a barebone distro running now but when i hit the pwr-button i only see "ONKEY1S held for x secs" Mar 16 16:17:23 politely counting up seconds Mar 16 16:17:28 not doing anything else :-X Mar 16 16:18:20 what distro is this? Mar 16 16:18:24 gentoo Mar 16 16:18:38 oh god, good luck Mar 16 16:18:42 i only need the basic software package so i have a starting point where to look at Mar 16 16:18:44 tomboy64: it once was the kernel doing the shutdown... got removed in the new kernel though Mar 16 16:18:44 :-P Mar 16 16:18:52 ugh? Mar 16 16:18:53 why? Mar 16 16:19:37 because om kernel devs considered it an ugly hack... which should belong to userspace Mar 16 16:19:40 IIRC Mar 16 16:20:17 hm Mar 16 16:20:35 so ... userspace means a simple bash-script should be enough :-D Mar 16 16:20:36 * mwester considers Om badly mistaken on that point. Mar 16 16:20:43 but how do i get it triggered? Mar 16 16:21:02 * mwester is quite convinced that the kernel needs an emergency orderly-shutdown mechanism. Mar 16 16:21:17 * mrmoku` knew mwester would jump in on that topic :-) Mar 16 16:21:35 * mrmoku` remembers the discussions on kernel ml Mar 16 16:21:39 raster you there? Mar 16 16:21:51 tomboy64: that's exactly the problem. Chicken-and-egg --- if your user-space has sufficient ability to run a program to handle that event, then it probably is not in need of a forced emergency shutdown either. Mar 16 16:21:57 can I have an elementary toggle as disabled? Mar 16 16:22:09 so it can't be changed and looks dimmed or similar? Mar 16 16:22:38 I want to make toggles disabled until an async dbus call sets them to the correct value Mar 16 16:23:22 That freaking "show my number [by network]" toggle thingie in shr-settings takes more than 4 seconds to show up Mar 16 16:23:23 * bumbl pokes mrmoku` Mar 16 16:23:35 why does python-ecore not cython correctly? Mar 16 16:23:44 * jhass840 thinks that people should be required to say what distro their program was built for when the upload them to opkg.org Mar 16 16:23:56 jhass840: agreed Mar 16 16:25:20 jhass840, that's exactly why i want my gentoo Mar 16 16:25:25 tomboy64: there was a patch at OM kernel ML recently that added the emergency shutdown back. Mar 16 16:25:27 i just build those friggin packs myself Mar 16 16:25:36 yow Mar 16 16:25:43 now that sounds tasty, PaulFert` Mar 16 16:26:41 mrmoku`: personally, I don't use it. But we shold take a look at that alarm app. Mar 16 16:26:49 it's one of the biggest source of complaints Mar 16 16:27:11 * spaetz has no clue yet how the whole wakerd thing works Mar 16 16:27:42 well... everytime someone complains and I try it... it works :P Mar 16 16:27:48 :) Mar 16 16:27:56 bt it seems very fragile Mar 16 16:27:56 wow, I like how when I try to install this application it fails and just prints "Terminated" giving me no other information Mar 16 16:28:10 waking an hour early or late. or not at all. or without sound. etc Mar 16 16:28:27 one thing breaking the alarm is restarting e Mar 16 16:28:40 really? why should that? Mar 16 16:28:43 you will have two wakerd processes then... which causes trouble Mar 16 16:29:02 so wakerd is related to e. didn't know Mar 16 16:29:04 (talked with raster about that... you're supposed to kill it before restarting) Mar 16 16:29:14 the alarm app is unreliable, I missed my morning class three times because it goes off and never makes any sound Mar 16 16:29:26 mmh, shouldn't it be able to detect that it's running already? Mar 16 16:29:27 wakerd is the daemon that wakes up the moko when suspended... sets the actual alarm Mar 16 16:29:37 and it gets started via a x session script Mar 16 16:29:42 but does not get killed on x shutdown Mar 16 16:29:44 I mean even basic init.d scripts can save their pid to a file Mar 16 16:29:47 not strictly e related Mar 16 16:29:55 mmh, I see Mar 16 16:30:11 maybe it should be run as a proper daemon then Mar 16 16:30:15 through init.d Mar 16 16:30:17 might be wrong to start it in a xsession script in the first place Mar 16 16:30:26 don't know if that is needed for some reason Mar 16 16:30:44 yeah... might be needed for the action to take when the alarm triggers Mar 16 16:30:52 might need stuff like DISPLAY and asuch Mar 16 16:31:03 brb Mar 16 16:31:04 you know, this weekend I almost decided to download all of the apps from opkg.org and port them to SHR but I didn't because I was afraid I'd have to take responsibility for all of them Mar 16 16:31:07 bye Mar 16 16:40:07 spaetz: checked the waker source... it is a ecore daemon Mar 16 16:42:11 jhass840: haha - well do it anyway Mar 16 16:43:48 jhass840: The only problem is that I'm worried about the flood of e-mails I'll get whenever something goes wrong. However, if I did do it I'd add the prefix "SHR-" to the name of every app as I fixed it Mar 16 16:44:09 darn, why did I send that to myself? Mar 16 16:44:19 bumbl: ^^ Mar 16 16:48:51 wow, someone finally fixed udhcpc? Mar 16 16:56:05 ecore daemon, mmh Mar 16 16:56:48 should still be able to detect that it is currently running as the same user and reuse to run twice Mar 16 16:57:05 at least that would take away one source of uncertainty Mar 16 17:12:44 OK, shr-settings "phone screen" comes up 3-4 seconds quicker now Mar 16 17:13:11 that bastard call to GetCallingIdentification takes >4 seconds to respond. so making it async helped a lot Mar 16 17:16:14 great :D Mar 16 17:17:53 it's still too slow, though Mar 16 17:18:01 anyway, going home now. bye Mar 16 18:00:17 * dos1 is working on GPRS shr-settings module now Mar 16 18:03:37 dos1, I had some problems with bluetooth one last day, can't turn visibility to ON, it always return to off automatically within a few seconds. Mar 16 18:03:49 Sharwin_F: kernel problem Mar 16 18:03:51 I've to go, I'll give you more info after if I've time today Mar 16 18:03:56 dos1, ok :D Mar 16 18:04:03 Sharwin_F: i had it few times too ;) Mar 16 18:04:07 dos1, is it being solved? Mar 16 18:04:21 Sharwin_F: don't know; i think it's related with suspend Mar 16 18:04:27 it looked like I hadn't bt interface Mar 16 18:04:48 Sharwin_F: bt isn't powered up; even when you send echo 1 to proper sysfs file Mar 16 18:04:55 that's the problem :x Mar 16 18:04:55 dos1, so it works sometimes? Mar 16 18:05:22 Sharwin_F: no, in general it works Mar 16 18:05:33 but sometimes it doesn't ;) Mar 16 18:05:34 dos1, k, thanks, good to know :) Mar 16 18:05:40 * Sharwin_F goes out now Mar 16 18:05:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd053f8390450 10/libfsoframework/ (10 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: plugin is a typemodule now Mar 16 18:05:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re1bf7be5aab4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: catch up with fsoframework changes Mar 16 19:03:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6d8465cadd9f 10/libfsoframework/configure.ac: fsodevice: lower dbus requirement to 1.2.1 Mar 16 19:06:14 hmm Mar 16 19:06:20 what is cornucopia? Mar 16 19:06:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r90d966a94571 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: fsoframework: this was not supposed to be commited yet Mar 16 19:07:02 http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Cornucopia Mar 16 19:08:37 mickeyl: from a programmers point of view: does it make sense to use sqlite for config managment when i use sqlite for datastorage anyway (so that i don't have to load configparser module which takes time) Mar 16 19:08:42 mickeyl: thanks ;) Mar 16 19:09:21 Nice Mar 16 19:10:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8cab892af0cf 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: fsoframework: compile it Mar 16 19:10:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9f28a1302798 10/libfsoframework/ (README fsoframework/subsystem.vala): add note about our vala mirror. Mar 16 19:11:14 bumbl: sqlite for config management is pretty hostile Mar 16 19:11:22 since it prevents hand editing Mar 16 19:11:33 hehe Mar 16 19:11:39 if you need better speed, move to a library that parses ini files faster Mar 16 19:12:30 regedit32 ;-D Mar 16 19:12:36 hehe Mar 16 19:13:33 mickeyl: the idea was to minimise the modules that need to be imported (and do config files storing wether gps was on/off the last time being hand edited)? Mar 16 19:16:57 Yes, but using dbus to avoid config files (as in bluez) is hostile too. Mar 16 19:17:25 yep bluez4 sucks Mar 16 19:17:34 as does networkmanager Mar 16 19:19:11 mickeyl: SafeConfigParser would be the best choice then? Mar 16 19:41:06 i've just connected to gprs with my shr-settings gui :) Mar 16 19:41:24 and now just disconected :D Mar 16 19:45:09 nice :-) Mar 16 19:45:55 nice Mar 16 19:46:15 no, if i only had a data plan Mar 16 19:46:22 now... Mar 16 19:46:36 yep... Mar 16 19:46:42 * mrmoku` wants one too Mar 16 19:47:34 i have prepaid card, and i'm using packets Mar 16 19:48:06 50MB for month, costs 10 złotys; 20MB costs 5 złotys Mar 16 19:48:18 last time I was in Italy I played around with my (old) mobile... Mar 16 19:48:23 bill was over 100 EUR :( Mar 16 19:48:30 outch Mar 16 19:48:43 for just watching some community updates... to know what's happening there :P Mar 16 19:48:54 (om community updates) Mar 16 19:49:03 prepaid, i could get 2 euro/hour Mar 16 19:49:32 with a different sim card :-( Mar 16 19:49:34 * mrmoku` learned the never use gprs while roaming the hard way Mar 16 19:52:28 haha Mar 16 19:53:03 2€ for 50MB are quite expensive Mar 16 19:53:26 the best thing is... the other day my provider called me... they saw that I spent some money on internet access... offered me some flat data plan Mar 16 19:53:43 nice of him though Mar 16 19:53:46 mrmoku`: hi, 4 secs faster than before? Mar 16 19:53:53 call ended when I asked him if he saw *where* I spent my money :P and if the flat data plan is valid there too ;) Mar 16 19:54:14 hehe Mar 16 19:54:16 BluesLee: me or my moko? Mar 16 19:55:06 ok, commiting Mar 16 19:55:10 mrmoku`: our mokos http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commit;h=bfe5140a9fc05557b121e313079032861e7f79ad Mar 16 19:55:41 it never took secs before so i wondered:-) Mar 16 19:55:46 BluesLee: you have to talk with dos1 or spaetz about python stuff ;) Mar 16 19:55:47 ^4 Mar 16 19:55:53 BluesLee: it's spaetz patch Mar 16 19:56:05 BluesLee: yep, it was really slow Mar 16 19:56:15 i know that Mar 16 19:56:53 nice work Mar 16 19:57:12 mrmoku`: any news concerning e-cpu Mar 16 19:58:00 mrmoku`: did raster had a deeper look into that issue? Mar 16 19:58:20 we talked about that today... including raster... no news though Mar 16 19:58:37 gprs commited Mar 16 19:58:39 ;) Mar 16 19:59:11 one thing about shr-settings... not compatible with testing, right? Mar 16 19:59:35 it should be, but i don't know if it really is now Mar 16 20:00:30 but now services window looks strange ;D Mar 16 20:00:44 (as Hover support in python-elementary is strange right now) Mar 16 20:01:47 saw some commits from morphis while pulling updates for e today Mar 16 20:01:55 don't know if they were related to hovers though Mar 16 20:02:01 i think everythink would work in shr-testing in the same way as in shr-unstable Mar 16 20:02:16 s/everythink would/everything in shr-settings should/ Mar 16 20:02:16 dos1 meant: i think everything in shr-settings should work in shr-testing in the same way as in shr-unstable Mar 16 20:02:57 pager, entry and hover is updated Mar 16 20:03:21 well... anyway without testing locally in testing it won't go to testing :P Mar 16 20:03:36 looks like "Add missing function for hover widget" can be interesting Mar 16 20:03:41 spaetz: can you take a look on that? Mar 16 20:04:30 having problems to compile current e though... Mar 16 20:04:47 ok, end of developing for today Mar 16 20:04:55 dos1: does ecore cython on your desktop? Mar 16 20:05:33 bumbl: i don't have e installed on my desktop, except some unworking version from some debian repo Mar 16 20:05:46 how do you develop then? Mar 16 20:05:59 with your moko mounted as sshfs? Mar 16 20:06:08 bumbl: worse :P Mar 16 20:06:24 haha Mar 16 20:06:35 bumbl: yes, on moko Mar 16 20:06:59 i should setup some environment on desktop, but i'm really to lazy :D Mar 16 20:07:09 Package 'ecore-input', required by 'ecore-evas', not found Mar 16 20:07:18 damn... saw something about input changes :( Mar 16 20:08:52 * mrmoku` --> trying EFL_SRCREV=39503 Mar 16 20:09:49 hmm i have 39504 running here locally Mar 16 20:10:30 bumbl: yeah... the difficult one is 39505 Mar 16 20:10:41 though I was not interested in * ecore_con_url: Add some constness. Mar 16 20:10:43 ;) Mar 16 20:10:55 (which is 39504) Mar 16 20:16:13 mrmoku`: have you rebuilded shr-settings in unstable? ;) Mar 16 20:28:34 dos1: not yet... shall I bump EFL also? Mar 16 20:29:04 if it's working, i think yes Mar 16 20:29:19 ok... will wait for my local build to finish Mar 16 20:31:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rda33012c982e 10/fsodeviced/configure.ac: fsodeviced: lower dbus requirement to 1.2.1 Mar 16 20:48:38 dos1: i know, hovers in services look really weird. Mar 16 20:49:12 will try to fix and have a look at the pe-elm changes Mar 16 20:49:22 py-elm Mar 16 20:54:11 it's on my list. as well as a gps details section Mar 16 20:54:59 anyway offline time. night Mar 16 20:55:16 night Mar 16 21:00:57 running 'make setup' to build shr for the first time Mar 16 21:06:02 dos1: building now Mar 16 21:11:30 ok, have to go now Mar 16 21:11:36 bye ;) Mar 16 21:39:02 SHR, /etc/network/interface: "up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf" should be "up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf" Mar 16 21:40:02 else, many lines are added to /etc/resolve.conf Mar 16 22:47:14 hm, what is the proper way to access the FSO API from C, when I want synchronous method invocations? Mar 16 22:47:50 I mean... I started playing with libframeworkd-glib Mar 16 22:47:59 but that offers async api only, right? Mar 16 22:48:21 I can synchronize it with glib loop (dunno if it's correct, but it works) Mar 16 22:50:04 libdbus Mar 16 22:50:29 aha... so I should not force libframeworkd-glib... Mar 16 23:02:35 Ainulindale: finally you'll be able to hack on FR on your windows PC. Congrats! ;) Mar 17 00:16:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r45de176c379e 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix typo, thanks Ronan Daniellou Mar 17 00:43:39 mickeyl, shoragan, alphaone, and al: please reply to my mail! Mar 17 00:44:14 * mwester would reply, but nobody emailed him. :( Mar 17 00:44:24 mwester: reply! Mar 17 00:44:26 :) Mar 17 00:44:38 mwester: on the fso-standards ml Mar 17 00:44:40 PaulFert`: fix my kernel! Mar 17 00:44:52 mwester: or the shr-devel ml Mar 17 00:45:05 shr-devel I'm on. Mar 17 00:45:36 mwester: I knew you were In! Mar 17 00:45:36 But I don't recall any emails from "purple" Mar 17 00:45:59 purple ? Mar 17 00:46:36 is this my color on your irc app ? Mar 17 00:46:42 Yes. Mar 17 00:46:44 :D Mar 17 00:46:51 because here you are pink!!! :D Mar 17 00:47:00 and I'm blue Mar 17 00:47:02 Ah, my favorite color. Mar 17 00:47:05 (blue) Mar 17 00:47:09 héhé Mar 17 00:47:25 what irc client do you use ? Mar 17 00:47:32 X-chat Mar 17 00:47:41 (with lots of customized colors and themes) Mar 17 00:47:57 fix my kernel. ;) Mar 17 00:48:02 I use pidgin and in fact AFAIK it is backed by libpurple so maybe that would explain Mar 17 00:48:14 * juri_ is SLOWLY digging through 35,000 lines of patches. Mar 17 00:48:33 * mwester knows the feeling; he gave up and re-ported an app. Mar 17 00:48:37 wow a 35000 line patch Mar 17 00:48:53 but possibly had made that ? Mar 17 00:48:56 * mwester would love to go to Berlin on the 1st of May, but money is a bit short. Mar 17 00:49:10 mwester: where do you live ? Mar 17 00:49:16 Central USA Mar 17 00:49:22 Chicago Mar 17 00:49:23 arf Mar 17 00:49:26 too bad Mar 17 00:49:44 I'm in the state that the FBI called "the most corrupt state in the nation" :) Mar 17 00:49:58 but possibly next year we might organize a more global event :p Mar 17 00:50:08 mwester: michigan? ;) Mar 17 00:50:17 juri_: Illinios! Mar 17 00:50:23 close. ;) Mar 17 00:51:01 Detroit tries, but they can't touch Mayor Daley of Chicago. Daley just doesn't get caught. Whats-his-name in Detroit was just the stupidest corrupt politician around. Mar 17 00:51:43 (and anyone who things that our governor is the worst criminal is quite wrong -- he's a clown compared to the real crooked politicians!) Mar 17 00:52:53 * mwester his quite happy that someone finally identified and fixed the Openmoko-crashes-Windows bug. :) Mar 17 00:53:06 dent: you can also use libfso-glib Mar 17 00:53:14 And I think it's really quite funny and ironic that it was the Koolu Android folks who drove that fix! Mar 17 00:53:22 dent: I think you might succeed in doing synchronous call with it Mar 17 01:23:09 Ainulindale: +1 for your mail! Mar 17 01:23:58 * juri_ scores -5, doesntcare. ;) Mar 17 01:24:18 héhé Mar 17 01:24:32 one jalous that can't read my mailbox... Mar 17 01:24:33 :D Mar 17 01:24:55 juri_: well it is not that fun anyway Mar 17 01:24:57 :p Mar 17 01:25:05 My phone is out of minutes at the moment, so no hacking for me. I'm about 7500 lines through a 35,000 line patch, and its taken me a *year*. Mar 17 01:25:21 so, Four More Years! :P Mar 17 01:25:25 juri_: what is that 35000 patch Mar 17 01:25:26 ? Mar 17 01:26:05 pt: its transparent process migration. serializing a process, running it elsewhere, and returning it home when its done with its work, without it noticing. Mar 17 01:26:26 this is nice! Mar 17 01:26:55 what plateform, what language, what transport, what paradigm ? Mar 17 01:27:36 (héhé! answering my questions will make you a pause in your patch absorbation :p) Mar 17 01:27:44 x86, x86_64, and some ppc code, in-kernel so C, TCP/IP, and.. uh.. what? :P Mar 17 01:28:16 ok so you serialize the process state Mar 17 01:28:29 I mean just the state Mar 17 01:28:32 yep. check it out at linuxpmi.org. Mar 17 01:29:05 Mar 17 01:30:00 anyways, keep hacking here. i use an openmoko every day, so fixing bugs in my phone makes it easier for me to hack on other things. ;) Mar 17 01:30:45 this is a nice project juri_ Mar 17 01:30:55 would like to see that in action in fact Mar 17 01:31:27 I'm working on it. ;) Mar 17 01:34:36 who/how/where do I ask to get zenity (or better gtk-dialog) added to SHR? Mar 17 01:34:59 BillK: what is zenity ? Mar 17 01:35:28 gui that you can drive via a script Mar 17 01:35:46 very useful for simple dialogs - in my case a volume control Mar 17 01:35:57 that just calls amixer with some args based Mar 17 01:36:03 on the zenity slider Mar 17 01:36:16 BillK: 2 means to get this Mar 17 01:36:46 a few apps availble for the FR also use it Mar 17 01:37:37 1. this is already in oe => request it (on the shr-devel ml) to be build in the repo Mar 17 01:38:18 2. this is not already in oe => produce a bb recipe for it and propose it (on the shr-devel ml or the oe one) Mar 17 01:38:48 BillK: does this answer your question ? :D Mar 17 01:39:04 ok, I'll follow it up this evening Mar 17 01:39:18 kimaidou posted to community that Mar 17 01:39:26 zenity that he uses Mar 17 01:39:35 for his apps is failing on shr Mar 17 01:39:46 which reminded me of my own little tasks Mar 17 01:39:55 that cant be done until its fixed :) Mar 17 01:41:01 BillK: is there another name for zenity ? because I can't find anything like this in the openembedded tree Mar 17 01:41:37 maybe you will have to make a bb recipe Mar 17 01:41:45 so gtg now Mar 17 01:41:51 have a nice night Mar 17 01:41:54 zenity is a simplified/lobotomized gtk-dialog Mar 17 01:42:07 Kayin, Mar 17 01:42:28 s/Kayin,/ok/ Mar 17 01:42:28 BillK meant: ok Mar 17 02:23:03 * raster yawns Mar 17 02:23:08 mooornin Mar 17 02:25:18 night Mar 17 02:25:45 nite mate! Mar 17 02:26:00 * raster pokes around to see if anyone is still alive today Mar 17 02:40:55 Nope! Just us zombies. Mar 17 02:41:30 mmmmmmm braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains Mar 17 02:42:20 Isn't that the constant chant of understaffed Free Software Projects? ;) Mar 17 02:57:14 HAHAHHAHAHA **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 17 02:59:57 2009