**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 17 02:59:57 2009 Mar 17 03:21:24 :-D Mar 17 03:22:41 time for brinner in my timezone ;) Mar 17 03:23:15 * DocScrutinizer heads to his bakery Mar 17 03:31:22 juri_: not zombies. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089869/plotsummary Mar 17 03:39:18 does anybody know how to get the gps running again with the latest shr-testing. I couldn't get a fix in weeks Mar 17 07:00:51 raster: here for a small question? Mar 17 07:02:57 ja Mar 17 07:03:56 raster: :-) about Evas_Object *.... when I add a layout with elm_layout_file_set Mar 17 07:04:06 and store the Evas_Object * pointer for it... Mar 17 07:04:18 still have to use elm_layout_edje_get to use it later? Mar 17 07:05:13 its a good idea to do it Mar 17 07:05:19 in case it changes Mar 17 07:05:57 hmm... ok. is that for layout only? or other widgets too Mar 17 07:37:21 mwester: What's wrong with your kernel? :) Mar 17 07:38:36 morgen Mar 17 07:39:25 I'm still not dissuaded enough from using libframeworkd-glib from doing sync calls to FSO Mar 17 07:39:49 i.e. doing it like this http://zub.lamer.la/fso-test.c.txt is (seemingly) ok Mar 17 07:40:19 still, being dbus & glib newbie... maybe it's wrong; anybody comments are welcome :) Mar 17 07:54:07 raster, one more question. How would I go about to embed a little graph in elementary. dynamically created, not in a file Mar 17 07:54:30 Otherwise, I would just load it as an icon. Mar 17 07:55:13 hmm Mar 17 07:55:18 well create a smart object Mar 17 07:55:21 in that do whatever u like Mar 17 07:55:26 put a polygon in it Mar 17 07:55:34 or use an image and play with argb data Mar 17 07:57:26 mrmoku: the object handle u get back from adding a widget wqill stay until it or a parent of it is deleted Mar 17 07:57:28 so its save Mar 17 07:58:50 raster: answer to your msg in private Mar 17 07:59:47 smart object, ok will try to find out more Mar 17 08:08:24 Ainulindale: seeing you as one of the authors of libframeworkd-glib, what do you think about using the lib for synchronous calls? Mar 17 08:08:36 I hacked together http://zub.lamer.la/fso-test.c.txt Mar 17 08:08:44 I wonder if/how is that wrong Mar 17 08:08:44 Bad thing. Mar 17 08:08:53 sigh... :) Mar 17 08:09:04 Why would you want to do synchronous calls? Mar 17 08:09:18 a simple console app... no gui Mar 17 08:09:33 What's the difference? Mar 17 08:09:43 Let say you're listing your SIM contacts and you have a call Mar 17 08:09:45 what will it do? Mar 17 08:10:14 well, I expect the ophonekitd/gui/whoever to handle that Mar 17 08:10:38 And ophonekitd handles that asynchronously Mar 17 08:10:41 Based on libframeworkd-glib Mar 17 08:10:46 yeah, and I'm all for that Mar 17 08:10:56 but what is my simple app wants just...s ay, send a sms Mar 17 08:11:00 As libframeworkd-glib is *the* link between framework and ophonekitd Mar 17 08:11:03 and it's all it cares for Mar 17 08:11:10 If you don't use the asynchronous calls in libframeworkd-glib Mar 17 08:11:15 you won't be able to in ophonekitd either Mar 17 08:11:29 but you can "synchronize" your asynchronous calls in your C software Mar 17 08:11:35 huh? now I'm confised Mar 17 08:11:36 doing so isn't that hard Mar 17 08:11:46 Why are you confused? Mar 17 08:12:06 well... I'm not arguing libframeworkd-glib should be all sync, or ophonekitd should do it synchronously Mar 17 08:12:19 all I'm saying is: I want to do it synchronously in my simple stupid app Mar 17 08:12:30 the question is why? :-) Mar 17 08:12:36 and q is: should I use libframeworkd-glib and sync it myself somhow, ir I gain nothing then and should use something else Mar 17 08:12:38 what would it bring to your software? Mar 17 08:12:54 (i.e. sync vs async) Mar 17 08:13:20 well... imagine: you want an app that just dumps your contacts to stdout... Mar 17 08:13:54 uf, I guess I'm not expressing it well Mar 17 08:14:25 I mean: I can sync the call -> have in my app something like get_phonebook(params, SomStruct *output) Mar 17 08:14:38 that does it synchronously, because it's easy to use it that way in a dumb console app Mar 17 08:14:44 that anyway just waits for the result Mar 17 08:15:10 well there's no point to do it sync instead of async in terms of potential problems & exceptions which could show up Mar 17 08:15:25 and you can do pretty much the same Mar 17 08:15:27 see ophonekitd code Mar 17 08:15:32 it's really simple to grasp Mar 17 08:16:34 well... now what do you meanby doing it async? Having the callbacks trigger other stuff + having a g_main_loop in main? Mar 17 08:16:50 yep Mar 17 08:16:54 nothing more Mar 17 08:17:12 but then what is it different from http://zub.lamer.la/fso-test.c.txt ? Mar 17 08:18:33 I mean: if I wait for result + trigger stuff from callback, or doing a sync wrapper around a call, it looks quite the same for me, as for the result Mar 17 08:18:53 well none but that's not sync anyway Mar 17 08:20:14 not sync as for glib-dbus point of view, but that I can't do with libframeworkd-glib afaik... and not pushing for it Mar 17 08:22:00 Ainulindale: ok, thanks for your time; I stop bothering you for now :) Mar 17 08:22:30 You weren't bothering me :-) Mar 17 08:22:55 good, so I might come up with other stuff eventually :-P Mar 17 08:23:03 Ive had this for a couple of days now - how can I fix it? Mar 17 08:23:07 wdk@moriah /home/moko/SHR $ make update-openembedded Mar 17 08:23:07 ( cd openembedded ; git pull ) Mar 17 08:23:07 You are in the middle of a conflicted merge. Mar 17 08:23:07 make: *** [update-openembedded] Error 1 Mar 17 08:24:14 crappy frameworkd! Mar 17 08:24:18 I issue mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartp Mar 17 08:24:19 hone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetSimInfo Mar 17 08:24:33 so obey and return info and just don't freeze indefinitely Mar 17 08:30:49 Ainulindale: reding through our converstion, could you please expand on: Mar 17 08:30:52 09:11:10 < Ainulindale> If you don't use the asynchronous calls in libframeworkd-glib Mar 17 08:30:56 09:11:15 < Ainulindale> you won't be able to in ophonekitd either Mar 17 08:32:19 (and to weed out any possible misunderstanding: by sync I mean: calling the async calls in libframeworkd-glib and then "syncing" it somehow on my side; i.e. still async from glib-dbus pov) Mar 17 08:34:20 dent: as long as you don't customize libframeworkd-glib Mar 17 08:34:22 It doesn't matter Mar 17 08:34:36 that's what I wanted to hear.. thX! :) Mar 17 08:34:39 My point was: do not use a sync customized libframeworkd-glib Mar 17 08:34:47 Just that :-) Mar 17 08:35:14 cool... as I didn't feel like losing libframeworkd-glib and doing it "all on my own" Mar 17 08:35:42 still... I might a small patch suggestion for libframeworkd-glib :-P - but unrelated Mar 17 08:36:09 the lib can't be used from C++(missing extern "C"), to fix it, there should be G_BEGIN_DECLS/G_END_DECLS macros in headers Mar 17 08:36:25 unless you totally don't care about c++, that is :) Mar 17 08:40:37 We care :-) Mar 17 08:40:45 Send me a patch which works and I'll commit it ! Mar 17 08:40:58 oki, I will Mar 17 08:54:01 juri_: Hey! Can you please verify if updated instruction on the GSM/Flashing page work for you? Mar 17 09:14:46 * dos1 is testing GPRS with shr-settings :) Mar 17 09:20:14 * spaetz experiments with sliders for timeout settings Mar 17 09:29:10 dos1, spaetz: have you already flashed your GSM? ;) Mar 17 09:34:10 beta11, yep Mar 17 09:34:32 what kinds of callbacks do I get from sliders when a value changes? Mar 17 09:34:46 I hate code without documentation Mar 17 09:36:50 What is the documentation use? :-) Mar 17 09:36:58 PaulFert`: yep, moko11beta1 Mar 17 09:37:03 When you write nice code, properly structured, you don't need doc :-p Mar 17 09:37:27 I don't wantdoc for my own code. Using elementary without code is impossible Mar 17 09:37:35 Ah, i wanted to beta-test the revised GSM/Flashing wiki page on you :) Mar 17 09:38:08 the python bindings just hand stuff to evas_python which just hands stuff to the C version Mar 17 09:38:37 so I have 3 SVN checkouts open just to see if it needs an int or a string passed Mar 17 09:38:51 PaulFert`: is the current page the revised one? Mar 17 09:38:57 Azog: yes Mar 17 09:39:11 dos1: ever used sliders? Mar 17 09:39:41 spaetz: no... Mar 17 09:40:00 dos1: by the way Mar 17 09:40:03 sliders for profiles is dumb Mar 17 09:40:08 dropdown menu should be used Mar 17 09:40:25 Ainulindale: yep, i know Mar 17 09:40:52 dos1: I know you know, I just like to criticize Mar 17 09:41:26 Ainulindale: but when we wrote profile module, there wasn't any bindings for anything better Mar 17 09:41:52 dos1: I don't care! Get to it or I shall spank you! :-) Mar 17 09:41:53 true, one constantly upgrades stuff as the underlying framework progresses Mar 17 09:42:34 dos1: BTW the SIM information box seems broken on mine. But the underlying GetSimInformation mdbus call also never returns anything Mar 17 09:42:51 so its not shr-settings fault, just in case you were wondering Mar 17 09:45:06 spaetz: it works for me Mar 17 09:45:36 weird. Mar 17 09:45:51 the dbus call just times out for me after quite some time Mar 17 09:46:00 * spaetz spanks SIM card Mar 17 09:46:24 look at log and spanks FSO ;D Mar 17 09:46:33 :-) Mar 17 09:46:40 s/spanks/spank/ Mar 17 09:46:41 dos1 meant: look at log and spank FSO ;D Mar 17 09:47:04 just being curious, is anyone working on opimd-integration in shr right now? Mar 17 09:47:45 Azog: are you going to provide any feedback wrt wiki page? ;) Mar 17 09:48:59 PaulFert`: the method with the mu-card-image looks quite easy for me Mar 17 09:49:34 PaulFert`: is there a advantage making the commands all by myself? Mar 17 09:50:01 Azog: yes, there is :) No need to download 100M, backup your SD contents, reboot etc. Mar 17 09:50:49 PaulFert`: hm, ich read through it and give it a try Mar 17 09:53:38 Azog: I have lots of uncomitted opimd stuff in my libframeworkd-glib tree Mar 17 09:55:00 heh :-) Mar 17 09:55:11 mrmoku: you can commit them and fix the rev Mar 17 09:55:13 yeah Mar 17 09:55:36 yep, do it Mar 17 09:55:38 Ainulindale: well... no. You will spank me if I commit untested stuff :P Mar 17 09:56:30 not if you fix your revisions Mar 17 09:56:33 do micro commits Mar 17 09:56:56 But keep alphaone and mickeyl in touch Mar 17 09:57:12 (though I could fix the rev myself in fso branch I think) Mar 17 09:57:48 if it has branch=master in the uri... I could do a new branch Mar 17 09:58:19 yep... it has Mar 17 09:58:30 I will do an opimd branch then... Mar 17 09:59:31 PaulFert`: why do i need "stty 0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 -F /dev/ttySAC0" two times? Mar 17 09:59:50 Azog: the first time fails with "not all parameters set" Mar 17 10:00:22 Azog: the second works. Without stty it doesn't work for sure. I don't know if issueing it twice is really needed. Mar 17 10:00:24 PaulFert`: it worked for me Mar 17 10:00:46 Azog: what kernel are you using? Mar 17 10:01:20 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 3 from shr-unstable Mar 17 10:07:13 PaulFert`: "+CGMR: "GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11" Mar 17 10:07:21 this line did not show up Mar 17 10:07:37 Azog: doesn't matter. As soon as fluid didn't report any errors. Mar 17 10:08:28 PaulFert`: is there a way to show the current version of the gsm-firmware? Mar 17 10:09:10 Azog: start frameworkd and ophonekitd again. Then you can start mickeyterm and issues AT+CGMR there. Mar 17 10:11:08 PaulFert`: "+CGMR: "GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11"" so everything seems to be ok Mar 17 10:12:19 Azog: sure. Thanks for your testing. Can you also try if instructions for "modern" kernel work for you (as you're using "old" kernel)? Mar 17 10:17:34 PaulFert`: hard to say, there is no feedback with the two echo-commands Mar 17 10:20:16 Azog: but if the "modern" way of powering the modem on/off fails, then fluid will be stuck at (reset target), so one can tell for sure if it works or not. Mar 17 10:21:23 Azog: i think i know why there's no feedback with those two echo commands. Try to do "stty crtscts -F /dev/ttySAC0" before them. Mar 17 10:23:17 Azog: at least it works for me that way. Mar 17 10:25:45 PaulFert`: fluid is now at (reset target) Mar 17 10:25:53 with just the two echo-commands Mar 17 10:26:23 PaulFert`: is that enough? Mar 17 10:27:17 ok, I am done. The only thing missing is that I cannot get the current value from the Slider Mar 17 10:27:21 fucking thing Mar 17 10:28:15 elm_slider_value_get(slider); Mar 17 10:32:04 ok, python-elm thing then. there is value_set but not value_get Mar 17 10:32:08 PaulFert`: "s3c24xx-gpio b7=1" does not produce any output in fluid; is it save to ctrl-c fluid now? Mar 17 10:32:17 there is a .data structure that is empty Mar 17 10:32:24 Azog: i have to reread the backlog, i was disconnected. Mar 17 10:32:37 PaulFert`: do you need a paste? Mar 17 10:32:39 thanks raster, browing the C and corresponding python versions now Mar 17 10:32:48 what is the span_set given in? Mar 17 10:32:55 Azog: i fixed the verification instructions (added proper stty call), now they should work. Mar 17 10:32:55 span_size or so Mar 17 10:33:03 pixels, unit formats? Mar 17 10:33:17 setting it to 300 makes it wider than the scree, at leat :) Mar 17 10:33:36 Azog: with the "modern" way you don't need gpio utility at all. Just echo 0 > power_on to power off the modem and echo 1 > power_on to power it on. Fluid will see it as soon as it's powered. Mar 17 10:34:28 spaetz: span is pixels Mar 17 10:34:34 but then multiplied by scale factor Mar 17 10:34:39 PaulFert`: ok, i tried the modern way, and fluid seems not to make anything after "s3c24xx-gpio b7=1"; is it save to kill fluid after that? Mar 17 10:34:54 Azog: i'm not sure how to put it on the wiki more clearly. The old method works for gta01 and gta02 regardless of kernel version. The modern method is much better but works only on gta02. Mar 17 10:34:56 so on a gta02 u'd have a scale of 2.0 Mar 17 10:35:11 Azog: with the modern way you don't turn on the modem with b7=1, you do echo 1 > power_on instead! Mar 17 10:36:32 raster thanks. Mar 17 10:36:44 will have to ask morphis to add a value_get binding then Mar 17 10:36:56 no way to get at the value from python currently Mar 17 10:37:26 PaulFert`: yes, but that was not my actual question; i tried the modern way with a old kernel, which didn't work, now i have a fluid running at (reset target), can i simple kill fluid, or is that somehow dangerous? Mar 17 10:37:32 and Slider.data unfortunately doesn't contain the value wither Mar 17 10:37:35 either Mar 17 10:38:04 Slider.value ? Mar 17 10:38:07 Slider.val ? Mar 17 10:38:08 ? Mar 17 10:39:33 Azog: so you did echo 0 > power_on, started fluid, then echo 1 > power_on, but fluid didn't react? Hm, weird, i hoped it works. Let it be like that... Killing fluid can't be dangerous, especially if it stays at (reset target). Mar 17 10:40:11 PaulFert`: no, i did echo 0; echo 1; then started fluid Mar 17 10:40:25 Azog: surely it's wrong Mar 17 10:40:56 Azog: the correct sequence: power off the modem; start fluid; power on the modem. Mar 17 10:41:02 raster. Unfortunately not. I checked all 184 properties of the objects Mar 17 10:41:07 Azog: how can i make it obvious? Mar 17 10:41:26 also reading the python binding, there is a value_set but nothing to get it Mar 17 10:41:35 spaetz: :( Mar 17 10:41:41 aaah ok Mar 17 10:41:47 well.. lack of bindingzzz Mar 17 10:41:54 and this time not my fault! Mar 17 10:41:55 :) Mar 17 10:43:06 hehe Mar 17 10:43:31 no, definitely not your fault. At least this time :) Mar 17 10:44:06 PaulFert`: i think place a Hints-caption above "Never downgrade" and `now you can start fluid as described above' above `To "start the modem"' Mar 17 10:44:09 ... this time Mar 17 10:44:19 * PaulFert` wonders why the wiki doesn't have "git commit --amend" Mar 17 10:45:59 mickeyl: ping Mar 17 10:46:36 * mrmoku wonders why people don't use git gui Mar 17 10:54:58 alphaone: ping Mar 17 10:55:24 mrmoku: pong Mar 17 10:55:57 alphaone: hey :-) I have some opimd stuff in libframeworkd-glib which people want me to put :P Mar 17 10:56:14 don't wont to break FSO builds though... it is enought breaking the SHR ones ;) Mar 17 10:56:17 -t Mar 17 10:56:31 if I do that in an extra branch everybody will be happy? Mar 17 10:57:56 * mrmoku thinks his english sucks :-) Mar 17 10:57:59 s/wont/want/ Mar 17 11:01:10 mrmoku: So are you committing to frameworkd repo or libframework-glib? Mar 17 11:01:24 alphaone: libframework-glib Mar 17 11:01:38 In any case I personally don't care if you commit to master. Mar 17 11:01:55 As long as you don't break other subsystems than opimd :-) Mar 17 11:02:10 mrmoku: Shouldn't be a problem FSO wise. Mar 17 11:02:17 well... it might break image builds by not compiling? Mar 17 11:02:26 Don't know if the SHR guys will kill you though :-) Mar 17 11:02:39 Well, it should compile :-) Mar 17 11:02:41 hehe... that might happen one day :P Mar 17 11:02:50 Can't you fix that? Mar 17 11:02:54 And commit then? Mar 17 11:03:14 well... it compiles :-) just was an example. Mar 17 11:03:25 * mrmoku wants to be extra carefull when pushing stuff to freesmartphone.org Mar 17 11:04:42 alphaone: will do an extra branch in any case... just to be able to not have to use it immediately for SHR Mar 17 11:04:59 want to push though for people to be able to do critics Mar 17 11:05:17 and as Ainulindale likes critics... I'm expecting lots of that :-) Mar 17 11:05:33 mrmoku: okay, sounds fine Mar 17 11:05:39 alphaone: thanks Mar 17 11:06:55 np Mar 17 11:14:47 Ainulindale: pushed it ... expecting critizism now :P Mar 17 11:47:39 Azog: i think you didn't have to issue stty command twice because you didn't interrupt fluid.exe before that (and i did, because it looks like it's the worst-case scenario). Mar 17 12:17:02 hi there. Mar 17 12:17:28 i have shr-testing, but i get modem does not respond to AT commands since i upgraded to moko11 (and it works under android) Mar 17 12:17:35 can anyone help? Mar 17 12:21:03 KaZeR: Qi user? Mar 17 12:21:57 yep Mar 17 12:22:56 mrmoku: cool, looking forward to opimd Mar 17 12:22:57 KaZeR: either use a more recent kernel or switch to a more recent Qi version (which was broked on purpose to be compatible with old kernels). Mar 17 12:22:59 is it bad? Mar 17 12:23:12 paulfert ah ok thanks Mar 17 12:23:19 just committed a first version of the gps details screen Mar 17 12:23:27 with satellite strength info Mar 17 12:23:44 i'll try to upgrade QI first, caus ei believe that my kernel is uptodate () Mar 17 12:24:01 spaetz: speaking of gps, is it supposed to be broken in the current shr-testing? I can't get a fix anymore Mar 17 12:24:02 2.6.28-e Mar 17 12:24:32 budfive: I don't think so. It definitely works for some. Mar 17 12:24:55 I am no expert, but checking that the timezone is set correctly has helped some Mar 17 12:25:08 as has the deleting of that .pickle file thingie Mar 17 12:26:07 spaetz: ok. thanks Mar 17 12:28:23 budfive: if that doesn't help, powercycling the modem by hand and only activating gpsd afterwards ( there should be a blogpost for this somewhere ) did the magic for me Mar 17 12:28:27 KaZeR: no, your kernel is old Mar 17 12:28:52 PaulFert`: well, it is current for shr-testing Mar 17 12:28:54 hi all Mar 17 12:29:06 but yes, it is old in other respects :) Mar 17 12:29:39 KaZeR: shr-testing uses an old version afaik. And "broken" Qi is bad in the sense it's bad to brake things that work properly. Unfortunately, Andy preferred backwards compatibility this time. Mar 17 12:32:19 PaulFert`, then i should rather update myu kernel instead of qi? which version would you recommend? Mar 17 12:36:07 i'm on shr trying to get gps working with dbus and python, i request the resource and then start the gps device but i can't get a fix, what do i have to do? i've tried to look at zhone but i can't understand where the fix is requested Mar 17 12:37:44 KaZeR: i'm not sure about packaged versions. spaetz, can you tell me what kernel is used in shr-unstable? Mar 17 12:38:15 PaulFert`: afaik it is the same kernel that OE/FSO-milestone5 branch provides Mar 17 12:38:46 sorry if that doesn't really help further Mar 17 12:39:02 spaetz: that's ok. But doesn't help, yes :) Mar 17 12:39:49 hold on, i'll find out Mar 17 12:40:20 spaetz: :) i could have done it myself, OE has a nice webinterface :) Mar 17 12:40:40 kernel-2.6.28_2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26- Mar 17 12:40:52 r3_om-gta02.ipk Mar 17 12:41:11 I guess this is the revision from andy-tracking Mar 17 12:41:20 spaetz: yes, still ancient. Mar 17 12:41:38 spaetz: yes, Date: Mon Jan 5 10:33:31 2009 +0000 Mar 17 12:42:54 i have that kernel, and with a newer Qi, it works now Mar 17 12:43:06 thanks guys for your help Mar 17 12:53:34 PaulFert`: err, btw that above kernel version was shr-testing Mar 17 12:54:03 spaetz: looks like that, yes Mar 17 12:54:23 gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26- Mar 17 12:54:30 is from unstable. Mar 17 12:54:51 * spaetz needs food Mar 17 14:10:34 hello all Mar 17 14:11:34 I tried to install this -> http://www.opkg.org/package_137.html but get opkg install terminated... why? o_O Mar 17 14:13:22 mrmoku: Is zhone available from the repos for SHR users? Mar 17 14:14:04 a21_work: opkg.org packages are often not well packaged Mar 17 14:15:37 PaulFert`: afaik it is not available Mar 17 14:15:40 nice :S Mar 17 14:15:47 but it should not be hard to provide it Mar 17 14:15:56 as .bb are available Mar 17 14:16:58 bumbl: it should be done, i guess, for the sake of isolating problems in frameworkd. Mar 17 14:17:41 yeah Mar 17 14:17:45 and zhone is stabe Mar 17 14:17:50 s/stabe/stable/ Mar 17 14:17:51 bumbl meant: and zhone is stable Mar 17 14:18:03 so even if shr-apps are broken Mar 17 14:18:11 we would have a fallback Mar 17 14:19:15 installing on shr is ok, if you compile the .bb Mar 17 14:19:30 just have to disable the autostarting Mar 17 14:19:43 (is what i have heard) Mar 17 14:20:01 spaetz: i guess it should be included in the default images even. Mar 17 14:20:36 which problems about? Mar 17 14:27:12 PaulFert`: well if it's not available we could compile it anyway Mar 17 14:29:18 Ainulindale: looks like SHR users have problems installing Zhone. And you don't even need to compile anything, it's a python app :) Mar 17 14:31:04 Ainulindale: have you seen the fix for windows RNDIS networking? Mar 17 14:31:11 tried this? http://www.opkg.org/package_109.html Mar 17 14:31:56 ~seen yoyoek Mar 17 14:31:56 PaulFert`: i haven't seen 'yoyoek' Mar 17 14:39:52 http://openttd.projects.openmoko.org/ coooool :D my loved transport tycoon!!! Mar 17 14:51:27 PaulFert`: Well I'm using it Mar 17 14:51:36 PaulFert`: by compile I meant the package Mar 17 14:56:22 * mwester downloaded the Om kernel git repo last night, and is preparing to create his own kernels again... Mar 17 14:56:58 any fso/bluez4 experienced people can help me? (small bt pairing problem) http://pastebin.com/db12704d Mar 17 14:57:15 (need that RNDIS fix; will be travelling again for a couple of weeks and I can't haul multiple laptops with me just because Om crashes my work laptop!) Mar 17 14:57:39 mwester: i agree :) Mar 17 14:58:59 PaulFert`: you need to compile the .edcs Mar 17 15:04:38 mwester: YAY Mar 17 15:04:43 mwester: I wonder why is that by the way Mar 17 15:04:44 :-> Mar 17 15:04:50 mwester: are you ready to package it? Mar 17 15:04:57 Because I'm all for that and you know it Mar 17 15:13:54 Ainulindale: can we haz a new unstable? Mar 17 15:14:18 and a new testing :p Mar 17 15:28:51 bumbl: no... does not build :( Mar 17 15:30:06 bah :( Mar 17 15:30:14 it always fails to build Mar 17 15:30:33 bumbl: for some time... no. built always nicely Mar 17 15:30:39 now it fails on python-ecore Mar 17 15:30:48 ah i am not alone then Mar 17 15:30:53 it fails on my desktop too Mar 17 15:30:56 ecore/evas/ecore.evas.c_ecore_evas.c:19373: error: 'ECORE_EVAS_ENGINE_SDL' undeclared (first use in this function) Mar 17 15:31:07 because damn ECORE_EVAS_ENGINE_SDL is undeclared Mar 17 15:32:34 Zorkman_: me refuses to break testing ;) Mar 17 15:34:13 * mrmoku is away for an hour or so now... will look after the buildhost later Mar 17 15:35:19 mrmoku: rename testing to half-stable and go and break testing too Mar 17 15:38:14 as long as we don't have more developer esources I am against maintaining three branches, with updates on 2 of them Mar 17 15:38:49 testing is the current stable, and we want to keep it that way, until there is a compelling reason to upgrade. Mar 17 15:38:55 (just my personal opinion) Mar 17 15:39:19 spaetz: i agree with you Mar 17 15:39:44 my suggestion does not have to be taken seriously Mar 17 15:39:46 ;) Mar 17 15:47:09 mwester: when you maintain your own kernels - can you implement the power > 20s pressed kills moko the hard and kernel way Mar 17 15:47:35 spaetz: testing isn't the current stable Mar 17 15:47:38 testing is the current testing Mar 17 15:47:43 it will be stable when it will be stable Mar 17 15:47:46 bumbl: Yep. Mar 17 15:49:28 mwester: why do you want that btw? Mar 17 15:49:54 Ainulindale: how is it meant to be, will testing become stable, or will unstable become testing and then stable? Mar 17 15:50:01 mwester: can't watchdog handle the case of lockups? Mar 17 15:50:11 testing will be the sandbox to test to ensure the full stability of the distro Mar 17 15:50:20 when the last remaining bug will be fixed in testing it'll be declared stable Mar 17 15:50:28 (such as the "no suspend on SMS") Mar 17 15:50:33 i think unstable testing stable is intended the debian way Mar 17 15:50:42 bumbl: even though I don't like debian, yes Mar 17 15:50:50 ok Mar 17 15:50:58 (as for this problem I think this is unfortunately related to frameworkd) Mar 17 15:51:04 (I should have a word with mickey|sofa about that) Mar 17 15:51:26 and where is the team working on at the moment? more unstable breaking and new features or more stable bugfixes? Mar 17 15:51:53 s/ stable / testing Mar 17 15:52:06 lindi-: it should, but we don't implement a watchdog yet, do we? Mar 17 15:52:07 the mob (me) demands unstable ;) Mar 17 15:52:13 mwester: we do Mar 17 15:52:25 Hmm. Must be SHR-specific. Mar 17 15:52:31 mwester: 's3c2410_wdt' Mar 17 15:52:41 mwester: is the kernel module. i have been using it for months on debian Mar 17 15:53:22 Ok. I've not yet had SHR lock up on me. But Qt Extended and Android certainly both need a watchdog, or some means of forcible shutdown. Mar 17 15:54:06 i just installed that module and did apt-get install watchdog Mar 17 15:54:46 ok, but I guess my question is if it is enabled and configured by default, out of the box, in SHR? Mar 17 16:00:48 mickeyl: ping Mar 17 16:00:55 at your service Mar 17 16:01:27 mickeyl: kannst du das sms ping script von deiner präsentation nopasten? Mar 17 16:02:06 sms ping? Mar 17 16:02:08 hmm Mar 17 16:02:16 that doesn't work after Daniel's updates Mar 17 16:02:21 :( Mar 17 16:02:24 but let me fix it later tonite Mar 17 16:02:30 and then i'll put it up @ fso wiki Mar 17 16:02:31 ok? Mar 17 16:02:36 yes please Mar 17 16:02:41 no problem Mar 17 16:02:43 i love the idea to have sms ping Mar 17 16:02:53 what's smsping? Mar 17 16:03:05 an example program for FSO Mar 17 16:03:16 DocScrutinizer: you send "ping" to the moko and the moko responds "pong" Mar 17 16:03:54 completely trivial and useless, but very instructive to show the simplicity of dealing with the FSO dbus APIs Mar 17 16:03:55 I utterly disagree. Mar 17 16:03:59 It should send 42 pongs. Mar 17 16:04:03 hehe Mar 17 16:04:11 mickey|sofa: talking about pongs Mar 17 16:04:18 mickey|sofa: did you see my hilight? Mar 17 16:04:20 (i would implement a 200 sms/month limit though (as i have "only" 1000 free/month) Mar 17 16:04:26 (about no suspend after a SMS is received?) Mar 17 16:04:33 ahh, mot really any OTA app Mar 17 16:04:36 Not Mar 17 16:04:51 Ainulindale: hmm, no, that's odd. do we have a bug in trac for it? Mar 17 16:04:53 DocScrutinizer: just fun to have Mar 17 16:05:09 mickey|sofa: I have no idea, I didn't have the time to investigate it and was wondering if you had any idea of what could go wrong Mar 17 16:05:11 i'm trying to calm down a bit, but will be in FSO hacking mode again at the end of this week Mar 17 16:05:27 Calm down meaning you overly stressed & tired or overly angry? :-) Mar 17 16:05:29 there's still room for improvement in the "prepare-modem-for-suspend" stuff Mar 17 16:05:33 +'re Mar 17 16:05:41 Ainulindale: more tired than angry Mar 17 16:05:52 why angry? Mar 17 16:06:07 :X Mar 17 16:06:24 bumbl: there's a big mickey-shaped hole in his sofa Mar 17 16:06:25 that's why Mar 17 16:06:56 haha Mar 17 16:07:04 hahaha Mar 17 16:07:04 That's not how the | operator works, though. Mar 17 16:07:31 That would be mickey&sofa, no? Mar 17 16:07:39 (or is my logic all messed up again/) Mar 17 16:07:42 ? Mar 17 16:08:27 hehe Mar 17 16:08:33 it's a nice sofa Mar 17 16:08:33 really Mar 17 16:08:39 and i have austrian coffee Mar 17 16:09:41 Austrian coffee? Mar 17 16:09:44 What is that? Mar 17 16:09:49 Coffee with a tiny angry man in it? Mar 17 16:09:52 Coffee & sausages? Mar 17 16:10:00 Or true austrian beans? Mar 17 16:10:04 Austrian coffee? Mar 17 16:10:05 hahaha Mar 17 16:10:14 austrian coffee rocks Mar 17 16:10:18 = coffe + fags? Mar 17 16:10:23 +e Mar 17 16:10:26 i always take some pounds with me when i'm in austria Mar 17 16:10:26 how does it differ from any proper coffee? Mar 17 16:10:32 it's a bit stronger Mar 17 16:10:36 Do you have a grinder? Mar 17 16:10:37 but not bitter Mar 17 16:10:49 (Just wondering, I could roast you some coffee if you're interested in that) Mar 17 16:11:05 mickey|sofa: what brand? Mar 17 16:11:08 unfortunately not, that would rock Mar 17 16:11:17 * mickey|sofa goes in the kitchen to check Mar 17 16:11:31 (I have a lovely moka sidamo (ethopia) which weirdly tastes like jasmin, some sumatra beans kind of chocolaty, a fairly fruity argentinian kind of bean...) Mar 17 16:11:42 I'm also a coffee geek Mar 17 16:11:53 Ainulindale: sounds tasty! Mar 17 16:11:56 bumbl: GOLD praxmarer kaffee Mar 17 16:12:07 mickey|sofa: when in Austria go to vienna and go to one of those really traditional coffee houses Mar 17 16:12:10 they rock Mar 17 16:12:22 (except for the loads of smoke) Mar 17 16:12:33 never been in vienna Mar 17 16:12:38 should go there Mar 17 16:12:41 "Viennese" (?) coffee is crap Mar 17 16:13:00 First because it's either overly roasted (as the french one) or there is milk & whipped cream in it Mar 17 16:13:04 And that is what the nazis did Mar 17 16:13:10 And you don't want to do that, do you? Mar 17 16:13:13 did they? Mar 17 16:13:17 :-p Mar 17 16:13:39 When we talk about coffee with a fellow friend coffee-geek of mine Mar 17 16:13:54 We often say that we like our coffee as our men : tight, strong & black Mar 17 16:14:04 heh Mar 17 16:14:06 That is the only way to drink a proper coffee Mar 17 16:14:13 well Mar 17 16:14:16 i'm a milky guy ;) Mar 17 16:14:21 no cream though Mar 17 16:14:35 Gosh Mar 17 16:14:47 and unfortunately i have developed a problem with getting sleep after begin exposed too caffeine :/ Mar 17 16:14:53 just recently Mar 17 16:14:54 How can you taste those beans with milk pouring into their substantifical marrow? Mar 17 16:15:12 Seriously, I knew you had no taste given your choice of sounds, but coffee!!! Mar 17 16:15:17 hahaha Mar 17 16:15:18 That is a HOLY thing we're talking about Mar 17 16:15:28 * mickey|sofa hugs Arkanoid.PSID Mar 17 16:15:35 I'll pray for the sake of your soul tonight and ask the Flying Spaghetti Monster to forgive you Mar 17 16:15:44 good thinking Mar 17 16:15:44 (With his noodly appendage) Mar 17 16:16:44 Ainulindale: I guess in austria esp vienna you can get ~100 different types of coffee Mar 17 16:17:01 I don't care :-p Mar 17 16:18:06 Ainulindale: well the coffee house demel rocks Mar 17 16:18:19 mickey|sofa: you have a t~yrolian Mar 17 16:18:39 s/t~yrolian/tyrolian brand/ Mar 17 16:18:40 bumbl meant: mickey|sofa: you have a tyrolian brand Mar 17 16:19:18 isn't demel for tourists? :-P Mar 17 16:20:07 spaetz: as fiegelmueller is Mar 17 16:20:10 i like it too Mar 17 16:20:15 s/too/anyway/ Mar 17 16:20:16 bumbl meant: i like it anyway Mar 17 16:20:32 I was in "Cafe Central", I loved that Mar 17 16:20:36 sacher is for tourists too Mar 17 16:21:00 Too little time for the others Mar 17 16:21:33 hmm, always feeling scared in austria. strange country Mar 17 16:22:06 DocScrutinizer: why? (there are many things that can be scary) Mar 17 16:22:17 bumbl: (tyrolian) is that good or bad? Mar 17 16:22:37 first of all people looking angry at you Mar 17 16:23:16 DocScrutinizer: ypi know that you are supposed to queue at the skiing lifts, just like the others do? :-) Mar 17 16:23:25 heh Mar 17 16:23:29 s/ypi/you/ Mar 17 16:23:29 spaetz meant: DocScrutinizer: you know that you are supposed to queue at the skiing lifts, just like the others do? :-) Mar 17 16:23:46 then executive is like wild west. con do all sorts of nasty things to you just because they had a bad night Mar 17 16:24:08 mickey|sofa: hmm well never had one (i mostly drink coffee from brands of vienna) Mar 17 16:25:01 i see. well it's good Mar 17 16:25:47 DocScrutinizer: hmm well ... too true Mar 17 16:26:18 like put you in prison for sth like 30days for crossing the street Mar 17 16:26:23 then they got haider and similar strange things/notions Mar 17 16:26:53 Ainulindale: with re to the unstable/testing/stable. I understand that scheme. But as long as we don't have a stable and as long as there are only a few developers, *I* don't feel like breaking the only somewhat stable SHR platform we currently have... Mar 17 16:27:02 well you don't get into prison for crossing the street Mar 17 16:27:12 haider's dead Mar 17 16:27:23 but they named a bridge after him Mar 17 16:27:26 at least one Mar 17 16:27:27 as elvis is ;-) Mar 17 16:27:35 posthum Mar 17 16:27:53 (but it is true our xenophobic right wing is extremly popular with the lower working class) Mar 17 16:27:56 spaetz: yeah Mar 17 16:28:00 spaetz: oh but it's not there for that anyway Mar 17 16:28:12 so don't worry :-) Mar 17 16:28:19 :) Mar 17 16:28:36 and they stole the plate displaying the name of the bridge Mar 17 16:28:56 pff. now *taht* is weird Mar 17 16:29:16 they = some of the green party or the commies Mar 17 16:29:16 hehe Mar 17 16:30:00 * mickey|sofa notes that it's getting of increased importance to be able to build more FSO consumers for devices != om Mar 17 16:30:12 so I'd really appreciate getting more of it in OE Mar 17 16:30:53 mickey|sofa: what device would you recommend which runs linux, fso and has working telephony but is not gta0x Mar 17 16:32:47 M800? harald seems to try and get things working on eten Mar 17 16:33:23 bumbl: right now my best bets are Mar 17 16:33:28 OpenEZX family Mar 17 16:33:30 HTC Touch Pro Mar 17 16:33:32 other HTCs Mar 17 16:33:45 perhaps also the eten Mar 17 16:33:49 but this is completely unclear Mar 17 16:33:54 as is Harald's time and devotion Mar 17 16:34:23 if we can get the htclinux community to work on standard kernel interfaces Mar 17 16:34:28 then FSO on HTC has a bright future Mar 17 16:34:31 and these guys have tons of devices Mar 17 16:34:34 with stellar hardware Mar 17 16:34:47 and then they need a UI Mar 17 16:34:59 because they will lough about cli-frameworkd ;) Mar 17 16:35:23 yep Mar 17 16:35:44 but they could help writing an ui Mar 17 16:36:00 indeed. that's why we need to get the basics in a form presentable and usable Mar 17 16:36:15 to show what we have already Mar 17 16:37:21 can anyone recommenda way to test of tangogps is correctly using gps on shr-testing? Mar 17 16:37:35 because i never get a fix with tangogps, but do with openmoko-agpsui Mar 17 16:38:12 run and wait Mar 17 16:38:53 ..and check the log tab to see if it gets data from the gpsd Mar 17 16:39:40 Zorkman, you can run mdbus -s -l in terminal and see next line Mar 17 16:39:59 1. gupsy returns time (in a 1-3 mins) Mar 17 16:40:23 a bit offtopic question, but... does anybody here know of some PDA/phone/"internet tablet"/small enough device running linux that has good opengl/opengles performance? Mar 17 16:40:26 2. get fix [false, xxx, false, xxx, false xxx] in about 5-10mins Mar 17 16:40:54 3. get fix [true, true , true in about 10-60min, depends on open air) Mar 17 16:41:03 dent: psp ;) Mar 17 16:41:17 if count of true > 4, return to tangogps and see your position Mar 17 16:41:30 bumbl: hm... is it possible to run linux on the psp? Mar 17 16:42:03 I'm eyeing the pandora... but it might take yet some time till it's ready + boss finds it too ugly to invest into that :) Mar 17 16:42:16 (if I find something reasonable, I get to play with that at work...) Mar 17 16:42:18 dent, gta03) Mar 17 16:42:49 gta03 will have decent opengl(es)? Mar 17 16:42:53 dent: yes linux runs on the psp Mar 17 16:43:12 though i think there is no accelerated graphic driver available Mar 17 16:43:16 bumbl: I remember having googled for that like half yr ago and din't find much :-/ Mar 17 16:43:23 aha, pity :-/ Mar 17 16:43:28 + Mar 17 16:43:30 we need accelerated openg(el) Mar 17 16:43:35 I mean, opengl(es) Mar 17 16:43:37 psp in theory is damn slow Mar 17 16:43:49 mickeyl: ping Mar 17 16:44:21 mickey|sofa: ping Mar 17 16:44:22 ;) Mar 17 16:44:53 thx anyway Mar 17 16:44:59 I'll what crops up with pandora Mar 17 16:45:03 you have 10 minutes ;) Mar 17 16:45:06 my battery is running out Mar 17 16:45:09 actually... Mar 17 16:45:12 my laptop#s ;) Mar 17 16:45:18 pong Mar 17 16:45:36 mickey|sofa: you could explore the secret land next to your sofa Mar 17 16:46:19 mickey|sofa: haha just saw your headline on some social networking website Mar 17 16:46:29 Ainulindale: ;) Mar 17 16:46:35 subtle hints rock da house Mar 17 16:46:42 *cough* Mar 17 16:46:50 hey guys Mar 17 16:47:02 i've got a segfault in vagalume Mar 17 16:47:12 (shr-unstable) Mar 17 16:47:21 is it a known issue? Mar 17 16:47:45 mickey|sofa: you should put that on the group questions of several groups Mar 17 16:48:15 Ainulindale: correct. Mar 17 16:49:04 admiral0: well unstable is kinda..... unstable... Mar 17 16:50:32 yes, i know Mar 17 16:51:14 but i also know that reporting problems is a good thing Mar 17 16:57:50 * mickey|sofa needs a shower Mar 17 16:57:50 l8er Mar 17 17:20:46 admiral0: i don't think anybody reported a problem with vagaluume before Mar 17 17:21:00 where I could find x2x for shr? Mar 17 17:21:12 is it reproducable? Mar 17 17:28:29 vagalume segfaults here, ldd doesn't report anything missing, is there anything i can do about debugging? vagalume starts, connect, ask the playlist, receive the mp3 file but when it's time to play the file it segfaults Mar 17 17:29:48 no clue abouut vagalume. don't even know which language it is writteen in... Mar 17 17:30:39 m0nt0: can't we just revert to the version that was shipped with the OLD shr-testing? Mar 17 17:30:43 it worked fine there Mar 17 17:30:50 maybe this is a newer version? Mar 17 17:31:06 i've tried with the 0.5 from om but it keep crashing Mar 17 17:31:23 too bad :( Mar 17 17:31:26 not a problem, i know it's testing but if i can help :D Mar 17 17:31:30 it was one of the apps that worked remarcably well :) Mar 17 17:31:37 yeah Mar 17 17:31:56 mbye Mar 17 17:31:58 i've discovered it on the FR and it was love at first sight Mar 17 17:32:06 :D Mar 17 17:52:31 PaulFert`: Is there a new firmware? because if there isn't, I'll just be flashing with the same firmware over again, which will make it difficult to tell if it worked. Mar 17 17:54:12 juri_: which firmware do you mean? gsm? if so, it's moko11 Mar 17 17:59:35 zorkman: moko11beta? Mar 17 17:59:59 * juri_ takes a look. Mar 17 18:00:14 juri_: Hey :) Do you want me to provide feedback from documentation POV on revised GSM/Flashing instructions at OM wiki? ;) Mar 17 18:00:39 s/me to provide/to provide me/ Mar 17 18:00:40 PaulFertser meant: juri_: Hey :) Do you want to provide me feedback from documentation POV on revised GSM/Flashing instructions at OM wiki? ;) Mar 17 18:01:07 juri_: it's no longer beta Mar 17 18:01:15 the image to flash is beta i think, but not the firmware Mar 17 18:01:22 Exactly Mar 17 18:01:39 But the beta firmware differes from the "release" only in version string. Mar 17 18:14:11 paul: as long as there's enough of a difference that i can tell i've flashed it. Mar 17 18:14:28 and, if the version string has changed, then that will do. let me grab my openmoko. ;) Mar 17 18:16:20 Ainulindale: hello Mar 17 18:16:33 mickeyl: what WE would you be available ? Mar 17 18:16:46 anything in may but the first Mar 17 18:16:50 hello btw Mar 17 18:16:57 i have something that has been planned for a year Mar 17 18:16:59 can't move that Mar 17 18:17:04 on the 2nd Mar 17 18:17:14 maybe the next we ? Mar 17 18:17:23 8th/9th would be fine for me Mar 17 18:18:06 mickeyl: what are the irc name for daniel ? Mar 17 18:18:10 alphaone|gone: Mar 17 18:18:12 stefan_schmidt: you here ? Mar 17 18:18:25 ha! ok alphaone|gone = daniel :) Mar 17 18:19:01 yep Mar 17 18:19:06 usually alphaone though ;) Mar 17 18:19:34 and which is the fourth of your crew ? Mar 17 18:19:44 Jan Lübbe = shoragan Mar 17 18:19:44 s/which /who / Mar 17 18:19:46 ptitjes meant: and who is the fourth of your crew ? Mar 17 18:20:02 mickeyl: thanks! you made it clear Mar 17 18:21:31 ptitjes: here for a moment Mar 17 18:21:49 8/9 may would be fine with me Mar 17 18:21:54 are you available on the 8/9 of May ? Mar 17 18:21:58 :D Mar 17 18:22:01 heh Mar 17 18:22:01 heh Mar 17 18:22:03 jeopardy Mar 17 18:22:10 :) Mar 17 18:23:06 * stefan_schmidt_ moves over to the sofa. Reading and thinking about the future Mar 17 18:23:38 paul: to start with, you still only make a recomendation of an image for the GTA02. may i recommend you reccomend SHR for the GTA01? Mar 17 18:24:08 while the rest of the directions look sane, recomending someone just flash a GTA02 image is ignoring us GTA01 users. ;) Mar 17 18:24:32 juri_: hm, in my vision the user shouldn't flash any special image to perform the firmware upgrade. Mar 17 18:24:51 ... except the first thing you do is recomend an image. ;) Mar 17 18:25:14 "Download and install a distribution to your device that gives you SSH access. We recommend the fso-console image:" this one? Mar 17 18:25:57 juri_: i think every person who uses freerunner has already done this step (that is, installed a distro with ssh access). So this step can be obviously skipped, no? Mar 17 18:26:49 *nod*. i think it should be replaced with a note on finding out how to access your openmoko through SSH. Mar 17 18:26:53 juri_: i'll add a link to shr, ok. Mar 17 18:27:15 mainly, that you should find out from your distro vendor, as IPs change. Mar 17 18:28:01 you recomend killing processes, but on SHR, just using the init script to stop frameworkd works.. Mar 17 18:28:18 juri_: the instructions are assuming to be followed by a "sane" user and a sane user knows how to ssh to his device. Mar 17 18:28:38 juri_: (kill/stop) agree Mar 17 18:28:42 * juri_ facepalms. Mar 17 18:29:43 you're also not going through the effort to show the user that yes, these programs access it, you do all the killing/stopping/whatever, and afterward nothing is accessing it. Mar 17 18:29:46 juri_: if somebody asked me to "kill frameworkd", i'd use the init.d script first. Mar 17 18:30:23 you would. a user might just -15 it, and it might not actually die on that signal. Mar 17 18:31:35 so, i'd wrap the killing section with 'this is how you tell whats touching the modem', then the killing/stopping, then 'you check with the same procedure and nothing should be touching the modem'. Mar 17 18:32:17 juri_: are you sure there're many gta01 users who doesn't know that? Because for gta02 owners a uSD image is ready. Mar 17 18:33:15 Paul: I locally support a GTA01 user whos a newb. Mar 17 18:33:54 While this isn't your problem, proper documentation should be reasonably newb friendly. Mar 17 18:34:08 juri_: i'm fucking tired of noobs to be honest. Mar 17 18:34:16 *nod* Mar 17 18:34:27 its easy to get too many of them, and burn out. Mar 17 18:35:10 Remember, I run a clustering project. Do you know how many professors and students I'd like to have cram their entire cluster where the sun doesn't shine? :) Mar 17 18:36:42 i note you have two new stty commands, and you echo the poweroff instruction twice. Mar 17 18:36:44 In the pines, in the pines \ Where the sun don't ever shine \ I would shiver the whole night through Mar 17 18:37:08 I'd accept pine trees, instead of clusters. ;) Mar 17 18:37:45 juri_: yes. stty commands are _sometimes_ necessary to ensure the POFF command will reach the modem. And i send it twice because the first might be ignored because of calypso sleep mode. Mar 17 18:38:10 Ok then, time to update my documentation. ;) Mar 17 18:38:25 juri_: let's better collaborate and move your documentation to the OM wiki, please. Mar 17 18:38:48 and, i'd note that in yours, too. why is as important as how. ;) Mar 17 18:39:15 Ok, i can get behind that. Pardon me while I criticise then. :) Mar 17 18:39:55 juri_: i'd really wish to see only one flashing instructions in the wild, and you know exactly why. Mar 17 18:43:12 juri_: btw, shr has s3c24xx-gpio installed by default already Mar 17 18:45:05 I noticed the last time, but did not know if you required that specific version. Mar 17 18:45:31 juri_: so, who do we proceed? Mar 17 18:45:36 and i know exactly why. ;) Mar 17 18:46:22 s/who/how/ Mar 17 18:46:22 PaulFertser meant: juri_: so, how do we proceed? Mar 17 18:46:35 I'd take the slashes out of the fluid command. its more typing, and more confusing, as the average user doesn't know about \ being a continuation of a shell prompt. Mar 17 18:48:20 Agree, it hurt readability, but i've already seen someone confused about that. Mar 17 18:48:29 I'd also de-entangle the verification step, like i've done in the SHR wiki. to flash, you use two ssh prompts, so why confuse the user with a semi-interactive ssh prompt, backgrounding and such? Mar 17 18:49:15 readability is already a loss on the stty commands. accept it and move on. :D Mar 17 18:51:21 under the notes, you describe a second method for doing poweroffs and powerons of the modem. that should be merged with the poweroff/poweron step above, or removed. AND it should state what is being defined as a 'modern' kernel. Mar 17 18:51:49 juri_: i can't merge them because they're gta02-specific. Mar 17 18:52:08 hmm Mar 17 18:52:11 juri_: it's written in the beginning of the section that stable and andy-tracking as of Feb 26 is modern. Mar 17 18:52:54 * bumbl wonders what the drunken people rate is today in america Mar 17 18:53:20 happy st. patricks day everyone Mar 17 18:53:29 paul: then i'd concider it adding to confusion, and should be dropped. ;) Mar 17 18:53:36 but, i'll leave that on eto you. Mar 17 18:53:45 * mrmoku wonders if he has to dring now.... Mar 17 18:53:49 s/dring/drink/ Mar 17 18:54:15 juri_: they can't be dropped because that's the most sane way to flash using gta02 and modern kernel. And also that's the best way to flash gta02 when the main firmware can't be run. Mar 17 18:54:16 nah Mar 17 18:54:24 alcohol in the middle of the week suck Mar 17 18:54:25 s Mar 17 18:55:44 um, if thats the most sane way, then the directions need to have a 'gta01 specific' and 'gta02 specific' sections. as currently, we're telling everyone to do it the GTA01 way. Mar 17 18:56:05 juri_: because gta02 users can be using an old kernel :) Mar 17 18:56:13 as it is, if they follow the directions from top to bottom, you've got GTA02... Mar 17 18:56:18 you're going in circles. ;) Mar 17 18:57:02 you need to define what is a modern enough kernel to use that method in real hard terms. '2.6.blahblah-blehbleh or greater'. Mar 17 18:57:43 juri_: how is end-user supposed to know if some kernel includes the necessary commit or not? Mar 17 18:58:05 do you know what kernel that commit got into mainline? Mar 17 18:58:16 or, do you know how to tell from userspace if that commit is in the kernel? Mar 17 18:58:31 juri_: moreover i'm sure in most circumstances this "simplified" method will work with older kernels too. Mar 17 18:58:33 i'm assuming you could just 'ls' for the sys entry. Mar 17 18:59:04 juri_: not possibly. Most users are using non-mainline (read Andy) kernel btw. Mar 17 18:59:47 juri_: the sysfs entry present in old kernels too. It's just it doesn't always work as it should. Though most probably it does. Mar 17 18:59:56 so, you can't tell the user what 'modern' is. Mar 17 19:00:06 I'd pull that direction, really. Mar 17 19:00:22 juri_: why not let him tell that by the date? Mar 17 19:00:58 *can* you tell by the date? Mar 17 19:01:14 i mean, what command can you run, in user space, to get a 'this date or greater'? Mar 17 19:05:46 juri_: git log Mar 17 19:06:14 juri_: and compare the dates of the revisions Mar 17 19:06:45 i didn't realise git log showed only the kernel revisions, or that git was installed on *all* of the distros. Mar 17 19:07:09 juri_: the shr kernel includes the revision in its version string. Mar 17 19:07:34 juri_: but really, i think that's something that should distro maintainers do. Mar 17 19:08:00 juri_: to tell their users whether the kernel modern or not. Mar 17 19:08:02 so, you still don't quite have the ability to simply tell the user how to check their unit for a new enough kernel revision. Mar 17 19:09:05 * mrmoku thinks having the same /proc/version for completely different kernels sucks :( Mar 17 19:09:36 personally, i think not getting your patches back into mainline sucks. Mar 17 19:09:40 mrmoku: why is shr-unstable kernel is still old btw? ;) Mar 17 19:09:49 * FilipBE thinks that having soo many kernels for one singe hardware version sucks Mar 17 19:10:07 However, I don't have ANY room to talk about that. Mar 17 19:10:09 PaulFertser: because fso/milestone5.5 has the same? Mar 17 19:10:32 juri_: the patches are mainline. The distro maintainers don't like mainline, that's the problem. And they don't like mainline, because the mainline doesn't release ever. Mar 17 19:10:57 mrmoku: that sucks :( Mar 17 19:11:08 paul: when i say mainline, i'm not meaning mainline-openmoko. i mean kernel.org. ;) Mar 17 19:11:32 Everything sucks, sorry, juri_ , i'll try to improve the wiki instructions with your suggestions tomorrow, not in the mood currently. Mar 17 19:11:44 Paul: no problem. ;) Mar 17 19:11:52 Everything sucks on my side of the world, too. Mar 17 19:12:01 juri_: OM mainline is targeting kernel.org mainline, so it's planned (if nothing nasty happens :( ). Mar 17 19:12:41 I'm 'planned' too. However, at my current rate, it may be 4 years before i have a patch set ready for 2.6.28.7. I'll be a little late. :) Mar 17 19:13:17 juri_: is it really a necessety to have a huge patch instead of small incremental patches? Mar 17 19:13:58 No, its not. Its just a necessity that your small incrementals actually function, and I'm not there yet. Mar 17 19:15:21 That sucks too... Mar 17 19:19:30 PaulFertser: it's 34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26 which is set as fixed rev Mar 17 19:19:50 too old? guess so... Mar 17 19:20:10 what is the current state of stable? Mar 17 19:20:29 Before I read it, I was happy and content. By page 40, I realized that my life really did suck. (Reader's review of 'Why Your Life Sucks: And What You Can Do About It') Mar 17 19:20:58 mrmoku: current stable sucks Mar 17 19:21:19 PaulFertser: so what would *you* recommend (apart from reading page 40) ;) Mar 17 19:21:49 kernel for gta02 has still andy-tracking as branch... and is fixed to that rev Mar 17 19:21:59 mrmoku: i'd recommend to pick the latest andy-tracking, check if there're any regressions, fix that rev. Mar 17 19:22:14 if you tell us a known good rev from andy-tracking... easy to change the rev for shr Mar 17 19:22:51 PaulFertser: well... I'm quite sure *I* won't catch kernel regressions (at least if they're subtle ones) Mar 17 19:23:38 and by taking the rev FSO uses I leave the decision about which rev to use to others :P Mar 17 19:23:53 others that might know better than me :( Mar 17 19:24:50 mrmoku: i can't say it with confidence. There should be some procedure to check new kernel revisions. I'd take the latest after tomorrow/the day after when the windows networking fix will be in. Currently i'd take the today's revision and just use it everyday like usual for a week probably. I'm not sure how to proceed. I'd really suggest to have an "unstable" git HEAD kernel which everybody can easily install at his wish. Mar 17 19:26:14 PaulFertser: which is out of what we can provide right now (unstable git HEAD kernel) Mar 17 19:26:28 we already not manage to do our stuff :P Mar 17 19:26:34 +do Mar 17 19:27:10 mrmoku: and i'd define the procedure as such: if there were some important fixes and users of unstable kernel didn't report any regressions, bump the stable to it and blame users in case of regressions ;) Mar 17 19:27:31 mrmoku: why not add one simple recipe to OE to autobuild git HEAD? Mar 17 19:27:33 meh. you need a kernel patch review team. Mar 17 19:27:44 otherwise, things WILL slip in. trust me. Mar 17 19:27:59 juri_: or we need some weed to stop thinking about stuff that sucks. :-/ Mar 17 19:28:15 stuff always sucks. :D Mar 17 19:31:16 lol@ open source + public mailinglist + flamware, that's something for grand grand grand children Mar 17 19:33:07 Arhuaco: hey :) Mar 17 19:34:32 Hello PaulFertser. What's new? Mar 17 19:35:51 Arhuaco: nothing that you don't know of, i guess... Mar 17 19:36:00 yup Mar 17 19:36:06 fredrin: thank the dieties none of the stuff our ancestors said on the battlefields is recorded. Mar 17 19:36:30 Arhuaco: ah, u-boot for gta01 is getting SDHC support, a good news. Mar 17 19:37:13 yay! that is good news. :) Mar 17 19:37:35 I wasn't even able to *order* decent C for my bassfix array :-( Mar 17 19:37:40 starox_: You're making good news, please go on :) Mar 17 19:38:08 sourcing is a PITA Mar 17 19:38:11 DocScrutinizer: do you want to do it as PoC or to actually use it? Mar 17 19:38:48 thought of offering a few of them at FSOHSRCon Mar 17 19:38:51 PaulFertser: Thanks ! Mar 17 19:39:11 sure first a PoC Mar 17 19:39:13 PaulFertser. I see :-) Mar 17 19:39:14 ;) Mar 17 19:40:39 prolly the cable-out-of-tin solution is better in the end Mar 17 19:40:47 I invite everyone who have a gta01bv4 to test u-boot with sdhc : http://www.starox.org/pub/openmoko/u-boot/ Mar 17 19:40:54 reports are welcome :-) Mar 17 19:41:30 DocScrutinizer: cable-out-of-tin? Mar 17 19:41:51 along the line of your rework Mar 17 19:42:04 Why do you think it can be any better? Mar 17 19:42:05 s/tin/can/ Mar 17 19:42:28 Now that makes some sense. I could hardly imagine cable out of tin :) Mar 17 19:42:29 anough empty space to use decent C Mar 17 19:43:27 seems my american came across here? Mar 17 19:43:34 (tin) Mar 17 19:43:40 heyho Mar 17 19:44:47 (tin) oh, xdict says it's (brit.) Mar 17 19:45:13 so my british am across ;) Mar 17 19:45:24 s/am/came/ Mar 17 19:45:24 DocScrutinizer meant: so my british came across ;) Mar 17 19:46:08 :) Mar 17 19:47:33 bloody british ;) Mar 17 19:47:43 You bugger Mar 17 19:49:16 DocScrutinizer: btw, i don't enjoy the results of the bass fix i did. Looks like i don't need it because i have a rockbox-compatible player and others don't need it for unknown reasons. Mar 17 19:50:09 there's an increasing amount of requests for it Mar 17 19:51:11 and it's the last known big bug that never got/will get fixed :-/ Mar 17 19:52:09 Except for the wired headset mic buzz. Mar 17 19:52:25 might be gone with A8 Mar 17 19:52:49 I forced 3 beads in :) Mar 17 19:53:12 Yeah, that'll hopefully finally fix it. Mar 17 19:53:34 not validated for effecivenes though Mar 17 19:54:16 DocScrutinizer: but if people need it (bass fix), why nobody has reported about their experience of fixing? Mar 17 19:54:58 they are asking for a decent "howto" that's "official" Mar 17 19:55:47 Official? They'd better forget about it... Mar 17 19:56:19 I'm not sure wich amount of "official" I may provide, but anyway... Mar 17 19:57:01 If they're even afraid to follow the buzz fix SOP... Mar 17 19:57:48 hmm, I'm starting to feel the OM-depression... Mar 17 19:58:17 Exactly. Let's better stop talking about OM and get some beer to celebrate St.Patrick's. Mar 17 19:58:19 a very rare and hard to cure desease Mar 17 19:59:42 later beer, now DrHouse ;D Mar 17 20:00:29 depression results from not getting your code into mainlines. FIX IT. ;) Mar 17 20:02:20 haha Mar 17 20:03:08 juri_: live would be much easier, if only I got patch commit permissiions Mar 17 20:03:21 DocScrutinizer: Ainu says you utterly suck, plus House wins in the end. Mar 17 20:03:29 (And anyway I'm always right) Mar 17 20:03:45 And House always wins Mar 17 20:03:56 I decline any responsability for the above words: he pushed me to take control of my keyboard Mar 17 20:04:11 ptitjes1: that's just because ainu thinks HE is docHouse Mar 17 20:04:23 héhé :D Mar 17 20:04:34 I don't Mar 17 20:04:39 Just other people do Mar 17 20:04:41 +es Mar 17 20:04:46 I don't know why Mar 17 20:04:53 house always looses - but everyone thinks he wins - strange Mar 17 20:05:03 Maybe that's because I'm a hopeless cynist-whiny-awful son of a bitch Mar 17 20:05:21 hehe Mar 17 20:05:25 I do confirm the above words (ptitjes) Mar 17 20:05:29 Let's all write letters following Dale Maggee's method and blame UFOs for being stupid motherfuckers who write crappy code and don't let us live in happiness! Mar 17 20:05:45 lol Mar 17 20:06:02 wtf is dale maggee? Mar 17 20:06:05 hi All! is there a way in debian-powered FR disable appearance of 'shutdown/suspend' window whenever I press power button (to get suspended)? Mar 17 20:06:30 The guy who bashed Lorn Potter on community mailing list. Accused of all kinds of sins. Mar 17 20:06:47 hehehehehe Mar 17 20:07:11 yoh: openmoko-panel-plugin? It has some option to disable it. Mar 17 20:07:43 PaulFertser: give me a link for the mailing list thingy Mar 17 20:07:48 PaulFertser, forgotten to mention that I run e17 with illume... still the same? Mar 17 20:07:54 yoh: no Mar 17 20:08:48 PaulFertser, I think I got it! Thanks... sorry for the noise Mar 17 20:09:25 BluesLee: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/38697 and follow the thread Mar 17 20:10:38 in configuration key bindings there was a delayed action for "Execute"... removed part for 0 delay ;) works perfectly now ;) Mar 17 20:12:54 PaulFertser: i know that problem and its easily solve fro qtopia <= 4.3.x Mar 17 20:14:09 BluesLee: it looks like actually Dale is right and the problem is not easily solvable. But his wording is surprisingly offensive: "You really are a shifty motherfucker, I'll give you that." http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/38745 Mar 17 20:14:13 fsck gmane, it sucks Mar 17 20:14:21 Everything sucks today Mar 17 20:14:35 PaulFertser: the issue was introduced with the rotation feature in 4.4, so the kbd depends on the actual width which is hard coded Mar 17 20:15:08 wow hard words:) Mar 17 20:15:47 raster: ping Mar 17 20:16:43 BluesLee: no, it's not a rotation, afaics Mar 17 20:16:49 PaulFertser: i am pretty sure that qtextended died before beeing born Mar 17 20:17:37 re debian on FR - which of rotation scripts would you suggest for FR? I am running with Xglamo (not fbdev) Mar 17 20:17:59 PaulFertser: before it was easy to modify it in some configuration files, i putted some screenshots on scap long time ago and the kbd was really usable and fast with the predictive method Mar 17 20:18:50 then they introduced the rotation and some hard coded stuff so i couldnt change it directly Mar 17 20:19:10 BluesLee: Dale has a valid (as far as i can tell) usecase where he proves that it's not usable for entering non-dictianary words (slang, addresses, phone numbers, long uncommon words etc). Mar 17 20:19:35 i read that there is a guy working on "qt extended improved" Mar 17 20:20:24 BluesLee: i don't care anyway. Mar 17 20:20:44 PaulFertser: ? afaik there is no problem with that, you can push words which are not in the dic directly, hmm Mar 17 20:21:05 i also dont care Mar 17 20:21:13 as i dont use my neo :-) Mar 17 20:21:29 for certain reasons ... Mar 17 20:22:03 Hey guys Mar 17 20:22:08 Please complete this page Mar 17 20:22:20 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON%2709 Mar 17 20:23:04 BluesLee: If you're interested, read Dale's description of the usecase carefully, i guess he's right. Mar 17 20:23:55 there is real hard stuff in there Mar 17 20:25:18 mickey|bbiab, stefan_schmidt_, alphaone|gone, raster, mrmoku, spaetz, Hire1, shoragan, DocScrutinizer, roh: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON%2709 Mar 17 20:25:39 too far for me Mar 17 20:27:04 mrmoku, I flashed the last unstable image today and I skipped the icons part when configuring the system/E the first time you boot. As a result, I've lots of E icons (firefox, xmms, etc.) which I want to remove, but those.desktop files aren'ton /usr/share/applications Mar 17 20:27:23 those icons should be disabled by default isn't it? Mar 17 20:28:07 I think to solve that I need to delete some folder with E config, but don't remember which one, do you? Mar 17 20:29:19 Hell, i'd like to be there (FSOSHRUDCON) Mar 17 20:29:28 ptitjes: cool, doing it right now. Need to register first Mar 17 20:29:32 Sharwin_F: it's on some /home/root/.local/applications folder or something like that Mar 17 20:29:46 dos1, ok, thanks Mar 17 20:30:04 PaulFertser: you are very welcome Mar 17 20:30:11 but it's a pitty having to disable them, I think they should be disabled by default Mar 17 20:30:27 ptitjes: i'm glad to hear that but i'm a bit too far Mar 17 20:31:14 ptitjes: and EU has annoying visa requirements :( Mar 17 20:34:48 PaulFertser: he is right in many cases Mar 17 20:34:49 PaulFertser: you have one month and a half in order to get a visa Mar 17 20:34:54 ptitjes: How do you like to get comments on the schedule? Just put something oin braces behind it or something else? Mar 17 20:34:55 caller: "Man, your phone really really sucks ass. I can't believe you Mar 17 20:34:55 actually paid money for it. And I can't believe it *still* doesn't work! Mar 17 20:34:55 you can usually fix anything! Linux must be really shit." Mar 17 20:35:01 And I'm sure it's easy to have a visa for tourism purposes Mar 17 20:35:33 stefan_schmidt_: (AInulindale speaking) Well do as you wish Mar 17 20:35:41 Anyway I'll debug your wiki code Mar 17 20:35:52 ok Mar 17 20:36:16 In order for me to do proper bug reports, please open a SHR Wiki stefan_schmidt_-itty bugs in the FSO trac Mar 17 20:36:28 +category Mar 17 20:36:45 ptitjes: 8/9/10 no Doc Mar 17 20:37:06 DocScrutinizer: please edit the wiki ! Mar 17 20:37:11 Else I'll spank you hard. Mar 17 20:37:14 You know how it is. Mar 17 20:37:38 (By the way you can usually spot the times when I'm speaking and when ptitjes is speaking due to the difference in punctuation) Mar 17 20:37:45 (That is, I usually put dots in the end.) Mar 17 20:37:50 And regarding dates Mar 17 20:37:54 Please add any as you see fit Mar 17 20:37:56 . Mar 17 20:38:02 O.O Mar 17 20:38:09 (ptitjes just told me to fuck off because he's putting dots too) Mar 17 20:40:53 ainu, you're confusing hell out of innocent ircmembers like tomboy Mar 17 20:42:10 stefan_schmidt_: I was just wondering whether other people would like to start earlyier Mar 17 20:42:23 (because I can talk drunk! ;)) Mar 17 20:42:42 ptitjes: Personally I like to sleep longer, but it does not make much sense for me if we only have 1,5 days. :) Mar 17 20:43:04 Ainulindale concurrs Mar 17 20:43:16 stefan_schmidt_: I do aggre Mar 17 20:43:26 what would be a good start hour ? Mar 17 20:43:30 10h ? Mar 17 20:44:33 9 or 10 I would think Mar 17 20:44:51 ok Mar 17 20:44:57 9h breakfast Mar 17 20:45:04 10h start of activity Mar 17 20:45:07 does that fit ? Mar 17 20:45:08 sounds good Mar 17 20:45:19 I edit Mar 17 20:58:33 PaulFertser: i stopped reading it ... Mar 17 20:59:32 stefan_schmidt_: I modified the planning Mar 17 20:59:38 BluesLee: now you're going to blame me for wasted time? Mar 17 20:59:49 ptitjes: goos. added some more ideas and thought Mar 17 21:00:03 I merged the changes Mar 17 21:00:27 oh, the wiki does not handle this? Mar 17 21:00:45 ptitjes: 14h00: Open session: Exchanges about the futur <- the e is missing Mar 17 21:01:04 stefan_schmidt_: personaly talking I don't mind sleeping on the floor (Ainulindale says the same if he can take a shower= Mar 17 21:01:13 + breakfast brunch and lunch within 4h respect Mar 17 21:01:18 PaulFertser: :-) Mar 17 21:01:22 bumbl: thanks :) Mar 17 21:01:49 PaulFertser: i wasted a lot of time in my life, 30 minutes are nothing Mar 17 21:01:58 BluesLee: same for me... Mar 17 21:02:04 ptitjes: sure, shower is a must Mar 17 21:02:07 my laptop died when trying to make shr-unstable image, got too hot i think :( Mar 17 21:02:12 same for me Mar 17 21:03:53 stefan_schmidt_: your laptop died ? or the shower thing ? Mar 17 21:04:09 fredrin: yeah we call it the desktop killer distro! Mar 17 21:04:15 ptitjes: heh, shower Mar 17 21:04:31 stefan_schmidt_: sure Mar 17 21:04:33 ptitjes: heh Mar 17 21:05:22 fredrin: condoleances anyway (my laptop is near to get down too...) Mar 17 21:05:40 stefan_schmidt_: so what do you think of the planing ? Mar 17 21:06:24 ptitjes: schedule is fine, getting the date and location finished is the urgent topic imho Mar 17 21:07:07 yeah this is why we made the wiki page :) Mar 17 21:07:26 your crew (the four of you) are mandatory for sure Mar 17 21:08:51 mrmoku, Ainulindale are too. I would really like quickdev to be in but we have no news from him for a such long time Mar 17 21:10:19 ptitjes: ok Mar 17 21:10:23 stefan_schmidt_: it seems that spaetz don't want to move his ass! spaetz you cheater! Mar 17 21:10:29 ptitjes: What is quickdev doing? Abitur? Mar 17 21:10:48 ptitjes: How many people do you calculate for? Mar 17 21:10:59 don't know. last news were that he had big exams but since this must have finish and we still don't know Mar 17 21:11:03 ptitjes: More like 10 or more like 30? Mar 17 21:11:25 stefan_schmidt_: I have no idea Mar 17 21:11:35 Ainulindale says 20 to 30 is credible Mar 17 21:11:44 ptitjes: I don't remember what timeframe the abitur (exam) is about. To long ago. Mar 17 21:11:52 :) Mar 17 21:12:11 the same her! Mar 17 21:12:17 +e Mar 17 21:13:17 stefan_schmidt_: isn't quickdev @ university already Mar 17 21:13:23 stefan_schmidt_: we would like DocScrutinizer and raster to be in too but there seems to be a clash in dates Mar 17 21:13:43 bumbl_: I though he was 19? That would mean school for me Mar 17 21:13:48 ah ok Mar 17 21:13:50 but time has changed... ;) Mar 17 21:14:04 could be Mar 17 21:14:05 stefan_schmidt_: about Mar 17 21:14:08 ptitjes: raster would come over? Would be interesting Mar 17 21:14:09 2 months Mar 17 21:14:17 morphis_: ? Mar 17 21:14:22 morphis_: hi, btw Mar 17 21:14:26 hey Mar 17 21:14:45 sorry, I mean abitur dures ca. 2 months Mar 17 21:14:57 :) Mar 17 21:15:01 ah, right Mar 17 21:15:16 well as all the locations are far away from me (~9-xxh with train) you don't have the problem that i will pop over and expect you to buzz fix my device ;) Mar 17 21:15:22 I learned only 3 weeks but thought I could have done more afterwards :D Mar 17 21:15:44 stefan_schmidt_: from what we talked with him it seems he would be interested too! Mar 17 21:15:49 bumbl_: You can send it via mail to alphaone|gone and he can fix it during the party in BS Mar 17 21:15:55 hehe, the same for me :) Mar 17 21:16:27 ptitjes: hmm, really hard to find a date that fits everybody :/ Mar 17 21:16:47 morphis_: abiture dures ~5 months Mar 17 21:16:54 2 months exams Mar 17 21:17:03 3 months too drunk to do anything else Mar 17 21:17:32 bumbl_, sorry I forgot because I cant remember the last 3 months of my abitur :D Mar 17 21:17:41 hehe Mar 17 21:17:45 :) Mar 17 21:17:57 if you remember it - you weren't there Mar 17 21:18:00 bumbl_: we have 7 hours by car to go to Braunschweig (not to say for Berlin)! so please don't use this as an excuse! Mar 17 21:18:58 stefan_schmidt_: yeah we will have to make some choice unfortunately (and the order I told you above is roughly what seems important for us) Mar 17 21:19:28 That reminds me about the snow boarding trip on next thursday. 6 hours to the zugspitze :) Mar 17 21:19:31 ptitjes: well i went to berlin in an ancient toyota bus stuffed with 6 people + all the rest with luggage,... Mar 17 21:19:44 it took 8-9h Mar 17 21:19:50 and it was horrible Mar 17 21:20:00 bumbl_: (AInulindale speaking) If only you lived in a proper place Mar 17 21:20:03 THat would be easier on all of us Mar 17 21:20:06 ptitjes: yeah, makes sense. Still we can see if another date would fit more. Let's see if people move their ass :) Mar 17 21:20:14 Unfortunately you live in the utmostly piece of ass in this world of yours Mar 17 21:20:38 Ainulindale: ping Mar 17 21:20:55 when driving between 100 and 130km/h the resonance of the engine matched the one of the back window and it started vibrating Mar 17 21:21:05 Ainulindale: got the 'extern "C"' patch for libframeworkd-glib: http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/libframeworkd-glib/libframeworkd-glib-extern-c.patch Mar 17 21:21:10 under 100 and over 130km/h there was no problem Mar 17 21:21:13 ;) Mar 17 21:21:28 Ainulindale: well i wish i would live in a proper place Mar 17 21:21:31 but hey Mar 17 21:21:33 trivial, so hopefully doesn't break anything... my simplistic C and C++ programs using it compile well Mar 17 21:21:34 stefan_schmidt_: (ptitjes again - dual usb keyboard) just propose some date - however Ainulindale and me do think that May is the earliest we can do to organize things correctly Mar 17 21:21:54 dent: I'm at ptitjes' so please mail it to me at ainulindale °¡⅛£±¡™4013 ! at °⅛$9234 gmail dot com Mar 17 21:21:57 better than any french banlieues Mar 17 21:22:12 bumbl_: s/banlieues/branleurs/ Mar 17 21:22:16 ptitjes: ok Mar 17 21:22:17 (a.k.a wankers) Mar 17 21:22:40 hehe Mar 17 21:22:52 ptitjes: oh, I'm fine with 8+9. I meant we can wait if someone come up with something better and if not stick with it Mar 17 21:23:32 well this is our fallback solution anyway Mar 17 21:23:54 ok Mar 17 21:23:56 but if we have to plan it later on ptitjes and I (the aforementioned beautiful and strong Ainulindale) are ready to go anywhere and when it's necessary Mar 17 21:24:31 ptitjes just told me I should name myself übermensch Mar 17 21:24:37 I fear that I'm too shy to do that Mar 17 21:25:06 I forgot to tag that Mar 17 21:25:22 * stefan_schmidt_ feels that he got fooled all the time and ptitjes and Ainulindale are the same person Mar 17 21:25:34 as I said Mar 17 21:25:35 :) Mar 17 21:25:46 ptitjes has a split personality Mar 17 21:26:00 or ainu has Mar 17 21:26:40 bumbl_: Nah. Mar 17 21:26:47 If someone had a split personnality that would be me (AInu) Mar 17 21:26:50 Because I'm the smart one Mar 17 21:26:53 haha Mar 17 21:27:31 ok guys, my current book likes to get read a bit further. cu tomorrow Mar 17 21:27:45 yeah gn8t Mar 17 21:27:52 cya stefan Mar 17 21:29:10 cya Mar 17 21:30:45 bye stefan_schmidt_ Mar 17 21:31:07 bye stefan_schmidt_ Mar 17 21:31:24 (and Ainulindale adds : and sorry for the late answer) Mar 17 21:39:43 so, boys I go sleep aswell Mar 17 21:39:45 good night Mar 17 22:44:01 anybody still alive and kicking? Mar 17 22:44:05 know how to fix shr-testing alarm Mar 17 22:44:06 ? Mar 17 22:44:08 i get no sound Mar 17 22:48:05 big thanks to whoever fixed the keyboard dictionary speed in -unstable, you rock! Mar 17 22:49:23 shr-testing pidgin is too old 2.5.3, 2.5.5 is out, I'm unable to connect to the network, it say it is too old.. Mar 17 22:49:36 toggles_: it's fixed?? Mar 17 22:49:37 great! Mar 17 22:50:15 Zorkman_: fixed? not sure, but it's _way_ faster than it was, not real pause on the second letter, much easier to send sms now ;-) Mar 17 22:50:16 yay!! Mar 17 22:50:35 super Mar 17 22:50:36 * toggles_ dances a jig on st. paddy's day, and wants to by the developer a beer! Mar 17 22:50:43 toggles_: actually it's not fixed, it's utf-8 patch reverted. So, no utf-8 but you get speed. Mar 17 22:51:16 PaulFerster: i'm happy, i only use boring old engrish anyway ;-) Mar 17 22:51:20 toggles_: it's not fixed Mar 17 22:51:27 ah PaulFertser was faster Mar 17 22:55:17 PaulFertser: is this normal (you seem to know something about mplayer): http://pastebin.com/d47198c9c (i hear no sound whatsoever) Mar 17 23:02:16 Zorkman_: -ao pcm? what is it for? Mar 17 23:02:40 Zorkman_: i mean why do you use it if you want to hear sound. Mar 17 23:03:06 ah it was just a test, using 'mplayer phone.wav' also doesn't work Mar 17 23:04:03 Zorkman_: inappropriate alsa state? Mar 17 23:04:26 don't think so, playing mp3 files from /media/card/mp3 works fine... Mar 17 23:04:43 Zorkman_: show me the output with wav then Mar 17 23:04:58 what do you mean? Mar 17 23:05:10 Zorkman_: you say that 'mplayer phone.wav' doesn't work. Show the output :) Mar 17 23:05:14 ah ok Mar 17 23:05:56 well i be damned, Mar 17 23:06:00 now it does work... Mar 17 23:06:31 will try the alarm again Mar 18 01:20:28 if anyone is still -minded at this hour: cat /dev/ttySAC1 gives me this: http://pastebin.com/d4a85101a but tangogps still sees 0 sattelites, is this norma? Mar 18 02:59:17 anyone using SHR have a problem with openmoko-messages crashing due a full message box? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 18 02:59:56 2009