**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 20 03:00:02 2009 Mar 20 03:05:10 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/ Mar 20 03:05:58 looks like one might have just finished. Mar 20 03:06:46 Well then, time to re-image my phone. Mar 20 03:07:54 meh, i have a gta01, not a gta02. Mar 20 03:08:04 can someone manually kick the build? Mar 20 03:10:35 It should get to it - eventually. Someone with rights to that server might be awake in a couple hours or so. Mar 20 04:03:31 mwester: Did you get an answer to "why python-ecore-0.3.1 fails to build in SHR?" Mar 20 04:03:51 my build died there too ... Mar 20 04:14:22 dunno i havent seen it Mar 20 04:14:40 but i rebuilt oe a week ago or so with whatwas current svn at the time Mar 20 04:33:35 BillK: a fix was checked in some time earlier today; you may have to delete the python-ecore dir in work/arm* and the do_fetch file in stamps/arm*/, do a make update, and try again. Mar 20 04:42:39 mwe: tkx, much appreciated Mar 20 04:43:21 s/mwe/mwester/ Mar 20 04:43:21 BillK meant: mwester: tkx, much appreciated Mar 20 04:56:33 How goes it, Sargun? Mar 20 04:57:03 terrible. Mar 20 04:57:13 finished a math test, which I miserably fucked up. Mar 20 04:57:43 and a political science mid-term which I fucked up pretty bad too. Mar 20 04:58:56 Uggh :( Mar 20 05:25:17 #define HAS_NESTED_COMMENTS /*/*/0 */**/1 Mar 20 05:25:33 int x = really?! no: !yes; maybe.ok(); Mar 20 05:34:14 I quite like the nested comments one... clever Mar 20 06:02:57 99? Mar 20 06:07:15 yay! patch 48 commentaried! Mar 20 06:07:28 Now I've only got 365 patches to go! Mar 20 06:07:38 :D Mar 20 06:08:00 Did i mention its taken me 13 months, and sacrificing two jobs, to get this far? Mar 20 06:08:15 * juri_ stares into the seething abyss. Mar 20 06:08:32 Do you think the patches will still be relevant in 7 years? Mar 20 06:08:35 :O Mar 20 06:09:17 * mwester thinks juri needs to recruit some help. Mar 20 06:09:25 mwester: I don't see a 2.8 branch yet. Mar 20 06:09:31 :-D Mar 20 06:09:34 true Mar 20 06:09:53 * juri_ desperately need help. Mar 20 06:10:00 needs too. Mar 20 06:10:08 And I think nothing actually breaks until they try to go beyond 2.6.255 Mar 20 06:10:36 However, I also need a better phone OS. So I'm not going to recruit help here. ;) Mar 20 06:10:44 hehe! Mar 20 06:10:54 * Dave offers mwester and juri some cookies Mar 20 06:11:10 Kernel hacking is a rare art indeed. Mar 20 06:11:16 ;p Mar 20 06:11:24 You already have your own kernel problems in here. Mar 20 06:11:38 And hardware problems. Mar 20 06:11:44 And userspace problems. Mar 20 06:11:56 We got problems for everyone! :D Mar 20 06:12:19 Honestly, I think userspace and hardware are more junior of problems than kernelspace issues. ;P Mar 20 06:12:29 But I have to go visit another customer tomorrow, so I must get some sleep. later. Mar 20 06:12:31 :) Mar 20 06:13:17 * juri_ eats a cookie. Mar 20 06:13:56 And, back to patches.. Mar 20 06:14:03 :) Mar 20 06:15:05 Today's customer call went well; I hope tomorrow's does too -- customer's only complaint was that he didn't yet have his new support contract number emailed to him... we politely reminded him that he hadn't yet paid the renewal fees. :D Mar 20 06:19:58 teehee Mar 20 06:26:48 Sorry for OT, but can anybody suggest me the best way to ensure i'll always be able to ssh to the server even if there's some runaway CGI hogging all CPU and/or IO? Mar 20 06:27:16 Nicing ssh will probably help a bit, but it's not the default, so i doubt it's a correct solution. Mar 20 06:36:47 PaulFertser: nice apache Mar 20 06:36:55 (and mysqld) Mar 20 06:37:01 just lower their priority Mar 20 06:37:06 that way anything else the server does Mar 20 06:37:31 backups, logins from admins, all the utils u run etc. are always higher pri than the web serviing and assosciated stuff Mar 20 06:37:37 might also want to look at ionice Mar 20 06:37:43 to prioritise IO as well Mar 20 06:37:54 also nice level wil be inherited from parent procs Mar 20 06:38:13 so if u nice apache and mysqld - anything they spawn will also have the same nice level Mar 20 06:39:06 raster: ok, that's a nice advice, thank you indeed :) Mar 20 06:39:22 (pun intended) Mar 20 06:39:33 :-P Mar 20 06:43:03 raster: but this solution doesn't look generic enough. I guess at least server sshd should be less nicer than 0. But it should drop niceness upon connect of an ordinary user, and root rarely connects as root. So i'm lost here, but i believe there should be a more generic solution... Mar 20 06:43:59 u have regular users connecting who are not admins? Mar 20 06:45:03 In this particular case, not exactly. But i'm looking for a generic solution :) Mar 20 06:45:55 raster: morning :-) the efreet commit.... fixes something? :D Mar 20 06:45:56 well u could make the only valid loginshell one you write Mar 20 06:46:03 that is setuid root Mar 20 06:46:10 actually no need for tjat Mar 20 06:46:14 regular app Mar 20 06:46:21 and it checks UID Mar 20 06:46:24 if UID != 0 Mar 20 06:46:32 then renice() itself to a lower priority Mar 20 06:46:37 and then execute a REAL shell Mar 20 06:46:54 (execv/whatever it to replace the wrapper process) Mar 20 06:47:03 u can even do it in a shell script Mar 20 06:47:21 /etc/shells will ONLY list this as the shell Mar 20 06:47:28 so no user can go change their shell to any other than this Mar 20 06:47:31 or even better Mar 20 06:47:38 provide a list of scripts Mar 20 06:47:58 ie /bin/bash is a script that runs /bin/bash-real Mar 20 06:48:07 and /bin/zsh runs /bin/zsh-real Mar 20 06:48:21 so all "real valid shells" listed in /etc/shells that u can use as a user Mar 20 06:48:33 are really a wrapper that checks your UID Mar 20 06:48:41 if 0 - exec shell as normal Mar 20 06:48:51 if anyting else, renice itself then exec real shell Mar 20 06:48:54 hi, does openmoko has SDL support? is there any link for it? Mar 20 06:49:02 in fact root could have /bin/bash-real as its shell anyway Mar 20 06:49:07 zwj: yes Mar 20 06:49:13 just install sdl libs Mar 20 06:49:14 use sdl Mar 20 06:49:43 thanks, there is a link for sdl libs for openmoko? Mar 20 06:49:48 no Mar 20 06:49:58 i want port the rockbox to openmoko Mar 20 06:49:59 it should be part of the repository if set up Mar 20 06:50:06 depends on what distro u use Mar 20 06:50:09 if it uses openembedded Mar 20 06:50:12 etc. Mar 20 06:50:24 but sdl is in openembedded Mar 20 06:50:24 i use the shr Mar 20 06:50:33 its probably in the shr package repository Mar 20 06:51:22 ok, i try to find it Mar 20 06:56:46 raster: about your efreet commit... comment sounds like I would want to build it, right? Mar 20 06:57:45 mrmoku`: yes Mar 20 06:57:53 it killed some features in e until i fixed it Mar 20 06:58:08 ie listing settings config tools in e's settings dialog Mar 20 07:06:43 raster: thanks for the suggestions Mar 20 07:12:29 morning Mar 20 07:12:48 I'm poking around libframeworkd-glib / dbus Mar 20 07:13:25 and I wonder: where do the *.xml files describing the interface come from? e.g. src / odeviced / dbus / powersupply.xml Mar 20 07:13:51 it is in libframeworkd-glib, but shouldn't this belong more to framework? Mar 20 07:14:03 if I understand it correctly, they specify what frameworkd implements... Mar 20 07:14:09 or did I get dbus wrong? :) Mar 20 07:15:22 (and if I want to have another clienf for frameworkd, I might find those xmls handy) Mar 20 07:17:07 dent: that is what I thought too.... on the other hand you just need what you want to use... and you need it in your sources to build Mar 20 07:17:36 the second part: yeah; the first - I'll think of that :) Mar 20 07:18:32 on a side note, I managed (using a stolen .xml from libframeworkd-glib) to have a hello-world-ish c++ app talk to frameworkd using dbus-c++ :) Mar 20 07:18:45 :-) Mar 20 07:19:06 still, it might be nice to have them in framewrod... and have users pull them from there when they want "refresh" Mar 20 07:19:14 them = the xml descriptions Mar 20 07:19:58 or include them in frameworkd-dev package... and use them directly Mar 20 07:20:09 yeah that was my first though Mar 20 07:20:19 once there's a pool on that, count me in :) Mar 20 07:21:07 ehm, poll Mar 20 07:32:34 hi i'm building shr unstable and i got an error building ecore, it says that the compiler can't find the SDL (cannot find -lSDL collect2: ld returned 1 exit status) can anyone please tell me where bitbake look for the libs? Mar 20 07:34:49 a link is welcome Mar 20 07:44:10 m0nt0: http://www.pokylinux.org/doc/poky-handbook.html#ref-structure Mar 20 07:44:45 althought the naming in SHR is different, s/build/shr-WHATEVER/ afaik Mar 20 07:45:07 as for SDL, I remember overhearing some SDL discussion here in the channel; but don't remember what was it about Mar 20 07:46:03 dent, thanks a lot! Mar 20 07:46:24 n/p Mar 20 08:11:51 morning Mar 20 08:16:52 :) Mar 20 08:19:26 what makes oph think there's not a sim card in my FR, but after ~45 minutes of turning the antenna off/on, it realizes there is a card and registers to the network? Mar 20 08:49:12 :) Mar 20 08:50:48 Blu3: oph? Mar 20 08:53:52 heyho Mar 20 09:06:49 hello Mar 20 09:49:15 Hey there Mar 20 09:51:28 hi Mar 20 09:58:12 mickey|zzZZzz: piiing Mar 20 09:58:16 ptitjes: poooong Mar 20 09:59:44 piiiiiiiiiing Mar 20 10:21:51 According to the a2dp wiki page, bluez4 is supposed to contain "simple-agent" Mar 20 10:22:06 but it doesnt seem to ... any ideas where its hiding? Mar 20 10:25:52 billk: last time I looked at the wiki it said you'd have to manually get simple-agent from the bluez git tree... Mar 20 10:27:52 simple-agent is included in bluez4 source package (test folder) Mar 20 10:30:24 billk: which would be at: Mar 20 10:30:25 http://git.kernel.org/?p=bluetooth/bluez.git;a=blob;f=test/simple-agent;h=0d3dc1f75e465ae83dbe9f7439ef39295a5aa82d;hb=370d874dc420190c91a39a5e12cd0756d9a31d41 Mar 20 10:41:20 mrmoku`: tkx Mar 20 11:21:25 does the serial-console work on gta02 with andy-tracking? Mar 20 11:37:28 help needed with bluez4 and a motorokr S9 headset Mar 20 11:37:41 I was able to get it paired using Mar 20 11:37:59 the miki page - once Mar 20 11:38:15 billk: did it work? Mar 20 11:38:21 now any attempt to re-pair the device says Mar 20 11:38:41 already bonded (prob I am mixing terminology) Mar 20 11:38:58 and the headset doesnt indicate its paired anymore. Mar 20 11:39:09 this state exists through a reboot :( Mar 20 11:39:14 help! Mar 20 11:39:42 men I made a branch on a local clone Mar 20 11:39:54 how to push the branch to the git origin ? Mar 20 11:40:38 git push origin branchname Mar 20 11:41:30 lindi-: I think it would have - by the time I had mplayer ready the headset timed out and now I in Mar 20 11:41:38 mrmoku`: cool thanks Mar 20 11:41:51 the state that it thinks its paired but its not Mar 20 11:41:56 I was trying git push origin refs/branch/gir-support Mar 20 11:41:57 :) Mar 20 11:42:08 root@om-gta02:~# python simple-agent hci0 00:0D:FD:27:60:4F Mar 20 11:42:08 Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists: Bonding already exists Mar 20 11:42:49 billk: ah but were you able to get data from gsm to headset? Mar 20 11:43:13 mickey|zzZZzz: ok first commit done on new gir-support branch Mar 20 11:43:29 I think so - the lights on the headset flash blue/purple on pairing (bonding?) which Mar 20 11:43:42 they did - but after it timed out Mar 20 11:43:48 it no longer does. Mar 20 11:44:14 ah - I see your talking different Mar 20 11:44:33 things :) - I am not even up to gsm yet! Mar 20 12:11:55 spaetz: ping Mar 20 12:13:51 morphis_: ping Mar 20 12:19:20 * tomboy64 pongs mrmoku` Mar 20 12:20:45 icmp storm Mar 20 12:20:56 dent: ping ;) Mar 20 12:21:10 host unreachable :-P Mar 20 12:21:11 friday pingpong semifinals Mar 20 12:21:24 * mrmoku` is chinese :P Mar 20 12:21:41 then we're ...ed :) Mar 20 12:21:56 python-ecore-experts: PING Mar 20 12:23:23 :-D Mar 20 12:23:30 ew Mar 20 12:23:37 i'm happy i got it compiled! Mar 20 12:23:44 cross, even Mar 20 12:23:49 * tomboy64 dances Mar 20 12:26:50 Got the bluetooth headset working - dont know why, just started :) Mar 20 12:27:11 next problem, how do I get pythm to play through it? Mar 20 12:34:19 lindi-: ping Mar 20 12:40:55 Docscrutinizer99: pong (in a bus) Mar 20 12:41:57 lindi-: packing your R atm. Is 10pcs each enough, or would you need more? Mar 20 12:42:52 Docscrutinizer99: should be enough Mar 20 12:42:57 ok Mar 20 12:43:19 ill share those that i dont need/break Mar 20 12:44:03 that's why I ask Mar 20 12:46:09 soon switching to bike so ill be away (can not believe i forgot apostrophe from the keyboard layout) Mar 20 12:56:32 mrmoku`: pong Mar 20 12:59:56 billk: Are you going to use A2DP or SCO to do that? Mar 20 13:01:28 billk: If you want to re-pair your BT device, you need to supply the 3rd dummy argument to simple-agent, so it'll drop bonding first before trying to establish it again. Mar 20 13:02:34 spaetz: still python-ecore problems... (or better again) Mar 20 13:02:40 mmh Mar 20 13:02:52 Blu3: i hope you use the latest gsm firmware, don't you? Mar 20 13:03:25 lots of ecore/x/ecore.x.c_ecore_x.c:7211: error: 'Ecore_X_Event_Key_Down' undeclared (first use in this function) Mar 20 13:04:21 PaulFert1er_: A2DP - its working (turns out I have to wait for the headset to drop out of discovery mode, then it works) Mar 20 13:06:49 billk: Do you enjoy it the sound has some problems? Mar 20 13:07:01 s/it/it or/ Mar 20 13:07:01 PaulFert1er_ meant: billk: Do you enjoy it or the sound has some problems? Mar 20 13:07:30 its ok - some pauses which renice will fix Mar 20 13:08:04 trying to midify pythm to play through it, but failed so far. Mar 20 13:08:16 billk: are you going to try GSM support which was pushed to fso yesterday? Mar 20 13:08:27 actual headset seems good, though not as "bassy" as I'd like Mar 20 13:08:58 gsm: yes eventually as this has a built in mike - music first :) Mar 20 13:09:44 mrmoku`: trying to build python-ecore now Mar 20 13:09:54 spaetz: which EFL_SRCREV? Mar 20 13:09:58 billk: that's prolly all an issue of headset, not FR hw (bass) Mar 20 13:10:00 billk: is it hard to supply the prefered alsa device to pythm btw? Mar 20 13:10:42 no, wiki is good: mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /path/to/file.ogg Mar 20 13:11:28 current unstable EFL_SRCREV = "39503" Mar 20 13:11:59 hmm... problems are in 39599 Mar 20 13:12:09 don't know when they started.... Mar 20 13:12:13 Would someone know an opensource product which would do PeSIT? Mar 20 13:12:45 mrmoku`: but this is not officially updated yet, right? Mar 20 13:12:50 Ainulindale: what's PeSIT? Mar 20 13:13:01 spaetz: not for unstable... want to finish a local build first Mar 20 13:13:21 lindi-: I asked the same question when someone asked me to find that Mar 20 13:13:43 Ainulindale: pesit is finnish for "you washed". it's bit hard to google since i hit those finnish hits :) Mar 20 13:13:44 can't those people keep their bindings updated? Mar 20 13:13:46 * spaetz sighs Mar 20 13:13:57 PROTOCOLE ISSU DE LA PROFESSION BANCAIRE Mar 20 13:14:07 will try to build updated EFL Mar 20 13:15:28 spaetz: need to fiddle with ecore though ;) Mar 20 13:15:41 otherwise that won't build :( Mar 20 13:15:47 making good progress with vala Mar 20 13:16:06 vala seems fun Mar 20 13:16:21 spaetz: but is it stable? Mar 20 13:16:25 spaetz: my new disk arrived... will get it later today... and have space then to play :-) Mar 20 13:18:11 like sh ReasyE17.sh Mar 20 13:19:03 PaulFert1er_: reread the question - no I have not been successful in telling pythm to use bluetooth- time to hit google Mar 20 13:20:23 billk: i'd hit pythm sources ;) Mar 20 13:21:08 PaulFert1er_: i would also be interested in that Mar 20 13:21:25 no help - if I try and add it onto the command args that pythm uses mplayer dies Mar 20 13:21:29 Zorkman_: in a2dp for pythm? Mar 20 13:21:47 I am trying to find if it has to go via the remote interface pythm is using Mar 20 13:21:52 to control mplayer Mar 20 13:22:18 billk: i guess no. It should be supplied on mplayer invocation. How exactly does it die? Mar 20 13:22:23 PaulFert1er_: yes Mar 20 13:22:52 Zorkman_: bt headset is so much more useful, kills buzz and echo reliably ;) Mar 20 13:23:02 root 9809 5.6 13.1 55344 15880 ? SNsl 21:59 0:10 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/pythm-bin Mar 20 13:23:03 root 9821 0.1 0.0 0 0 ? Z< 21:59 0:00 [mplayer] Mar 20 13:23:38 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/mplayer/mplayer.py Mar 20 13:23:49 PaulFert1er_: only problem is that there does not seem to be a list of working bt headsets :( Mar 20 13:24:00 args = [self.exe_name, '-slave', '-quiet', '-idle', '-nolirc', '-ao alsa:device=bluetooth'] Mar 20 13:24:28 Motorola S9 works in A2DP with bluez4 Mar 20 13:24:40 billk: Looks like it exit for some reason. It'd be nice to have its output. Mar 20 13:24:42 lindi-: there is on the a2dp page Mar 20 13:24:44 its the "fine tuning" thats hurting:) Mar 20 13:24:45 i added mine Mar 20 13:25:00 Zorkman_: does it work with gsm? Mar 20 13:25:21 lindi-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/A2DP#6._Devices_that_work Mar 20 13:25:32 billk: you could tweak mplayer with a mplayer.conf.... Mar 20 13:25:34 not tested with gsm, only with music playback Mar 20 13:25:41 i will add it to the wiki, sorry Mar 20 13:25:43 argh, then wiki is really misleading Mar 20 13:25:53 Zorkman_: since gsm is the only want that matters if you want to avoid buzz Mar 20 13:26:06 low bass is also avoided with bt... Mar 20 13:26:13 s/want/thing/ Mar 20 13:26:15 lindi- meant: Zorkman_: since gsm is the only thing that matters if you want to avoid buzz Mar 20 13:26:17 mrmoku`: brilliant ... that will do it I think, more reading, tkx Mar 20 13:26:34 YEAH! My GTA01 is sleeping with Andy-Tracking! ;-) Mar 20 13:26:45 ao = name of the alsa device Mar 20 13:26:46 Did you hit it with a hammer? Mar 20 13:27:20 well... might sleep forever with andy-tracking... even without hammer ;) Mar 20 13:28:18 no, fixed the vibrator bug! ;) Mar 20 13:28:29 ok... time to wake it up! Mar 20 13:29:00 ahh, it was the space: args = [self.exe_name, '-slave', '-quiet', '-idle', '-nolirc', '-ao', 'alsa:device=bluetooth'] Mar 20 13:29:06 which virbator bug? Mar 20 13:29:10 pythm now plays through BT Mar 20 13:29:26 billk: how? Mar 20 13:29:27 but mplayer.conf is a better idea I think Mar 20 13:29:37 hmm ... lots of unknown chars on the console and vibrator runs all the time, but then stops :/ Mar 20 13:29:55 Zorkman_: somebody has add neo1973_vib_priv.pdata->disable_fiq(); to the suspend code .. Mar 20 13:30:00 Ainulindale: hi. Did you get my patch? (asking to know if it is somewhere in your todo stack, of if it was dropped for some reason) Mar 20 13:30:09 Zorkman_: how what? Mar 20 13:30:16 dent: yeah, got your patch :-) Just was busy these days Mar 20 13:30:18 but if i understood correctly this is only available on gta02! Mar 20 13:30:22 ANd still busy today :-) Mar 20 13:30:24 can we get pythm to play bt Mar 20 13:30:34 Ainulindale: oooki, n/p w that... just my first patchs after years :)) Mar 20 13:30:44 dent: please remind it to me tomorrow :-) Mar 20 13:30:53 ok Mar 20 13:30:57 best way will me mrmokos suggestion of speccifying the output device in mplayer.conf, Mar 20 13:30:58 or Mar 20 13:31:15 modify /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/mplayer/mplayer.py with Mar 20 13:31:26 args = [self.exe_name, '-slave', '-quiet', '-idle', '-nolirc', '-ao alsa:device=bluetooth'] Mar 20 13:31:32 - its line Mar 20 13:31:51 35 in the file Mar 20 13:32:10 mrmoku`: btw, what should i do today's evening to move forward wrt kernel and xorg? I was going to be a tester of your generated packages. Mar 20 13:33:07 PaulFert1er_: well... we have to get that damn e to build first... Mar 20 13:33:25 than cherry-pick the recipe for the glamo xorg-driver Mar 20 13:33:34 patch xorg-server Mar 20 13:33:50 and add the kernel patches Mar 20 13:34:22 mrmoku`: can i somehow help? Mar 20 13:35:07 PaulFert1er_: one thing which would help a lot... prepare the two kernel patches Mar 20 13:35:16 would be one thing less for me to take care of :-) Mar 20 13:36:26 billk or better a bluetooth-checkbox in the middle of "random" and "repeat" of pythm UI Mar 20 13:36:36 ;) Mar 20 13:36:43 mrmoku`: ok Mar 20 13:37:18 von_fritz: I agree - choice is where its at :) Mar 20 13:38:43 edit /home/root/.mplayer/config Mar 20 13:38:45 and add Mar 20 13:39:11 ao = alsa:device=bluetooth Mar 20 13:44:59 re Mar 20 13:45:28 :-) Mar 20 13:45:52 Docscrutinizer99: is there an alsa way to specify the BT as default device when connected? Mar 20 13:46:28 mrmoku`: pondering hard about that for last 20min Mar 20 13:46:56 basically default is default;-) Mar 20 13:47:19 :-) Mar 20 13:47:25 means no app should open alsa default device. Mar 20 13:48:21 then you could map e.g. alsamplayerdevice to BT or wm8753 by using an alias in .alsarc or asoundrc Mar 20 13:49:14 otherwise alsarc rules what's default Mar 20 13:49:31 alas that's not app specific Mar 20 13:50:36 switching dynamically is just another problem (switch from speaker to BT e.g., during mplayer playback) Mar 20 13:51:04 seems there's no generic alsa way to do this Mar 20 13:51:53 obviously, as device hw properties are changing, so alsaopen() is going to be void Mar 20 13:53:00 that's still ripening in a dark corner of my brain ;-) Mar 20 13:55:11 lindi-: did you revert both 6bf861ed and 8e075437 to get proper xorg rotation support? Mar 20 13:55:17 mrmoku`: in .asoundrc there's some syntax details about exclamation mark usage (like "pcm default! { bla foo }") that I didn't yet wrap my head all around Mar 20 13:56:45 Docscrutinizer99: hmm... remember that ! from 'getting pulse under fedora to work'... don't remember what it means though Mar 20 13:57:58 mrmoku`: alas alsa docs are that utterly poor, we prolly need to read all the soure to understand correctly and completely Mar 20 13:58:52 anyway "!" seems to be sth like "oveerride" or "lock for redefine" Mar 20 14:01:28 s/lock for/prohibit/ Mar 20 14:01:29 Docscrutinizer99 meant: anyway "!" seems to be sth like "oveerride" or "prohibit redefine" Mar 20 14:02:37 mrmoku`: aaaah wait Mar 20 14:03:24 mrmoku`: .asoundrc can fetch env-vars, so this might be a convenient way to redefine per app Mar 20 14:04:50 mrmoku`: like: 'ALSADEFAULTDEV=bluetooth mplayer' Mar 20 14:05:33 hmm...... Mar 20 14:06:03 mrmoku`: on compileing python-ecore I get: Mar 20 14:06:04 ecore_evas_fb.c:34: error: conflicting types for '_ecore_evas_mouse_move_process' Mar 20 14:06:08 ecore_evas_private.h:330: error: previous declaration of '_ecore_evas_mouse_move_process' was here Mar 20 14:06:15 mrmoku`: then have a .asoundrc that fetches env in "pcm default" definition Mar 20 14:06:38 no clue what to do about it though. C is kind of out my reach... Mar 20 14:06:54 spaetz: I 'fixed' it by disabling ecore_fb Mar 20 14:07:19 pff, good enough for me :-) Mar 20 14:07:21 mrmoku`: and defaulting to some sane standard if that env is unset Mar 20 14:07:39 why so many declaration problems with e lately? do we have version mismatches or something? Mar 20 14:07:58 (these are not the normal problems one gets with OE builds) Mar 20 14:09:29 I *think* we don't use _fb anyway, so disabling it seems fair enough Mar 20 14:10:44 spaetz: have to do so in evas_svn.bb *and* evas-native_svn.bb Mar 20 14:11:30 mmh Mar 20 14:11:46 not pretty, but if they can't manage to keep their bindings working, the best we can do Mar 20 14:22:51 lindi-: be *careful* when taking one component off ribbon. FIRST cut, otherwise all ten pcs will drop and vanish Mar 20 14:24:24 lindi-: especially the 0402 Mar 20 14:25:23 mrmoku`: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/29-andy-patches/ i guess. I'd wait for confirmation from lindi- though. Mar 20 14:26:41 lindi-: and use a large blank paper to work on. Other surfaces like usual wooden desk odds are you can't find a 0402 even when you know where to look for it Mar 20 14:31:51 ooh fucking fuck. My first vala app is doing it's first useful action Mar 20 14:32:01 It can set the display brightness via a slider Mar 20 14:32:08 beautiful Mar 20 14:33:00 congratz spaetz! Mar 20 14:33:09 cooooooool Mar 20 14:33:18 PaulFertser: i don't remember git hashes by heart. but i think only one patch causes the issue Mar 20 14:33:28 * spaetz feels like a proud father Mar 20 14:33:44 PaulFertser: thanks... you're great Mar 20 14:33:50 spaetz: sounds inspirative... alsmost makes me want to try vala :) Mar 20 14:34:02 :) Mar 20 14:34:43 lindi-: that one patch can't be reverted without the other that was later, by Sean. Mar 20 14:34:46 OK, next the idle timeouts... Mar 20 14:34:51 PaulFertser: 8e07543735b1b180ff45993f0e3cc82dad8142ea is the problematic one Mar 20 14:35:01 PaulFertser: yeah i guess i reverted both Mar 20 14:35:23 lindi-: thanks a lot Mar 20 14:36:30 mwester: didn't raster say yesterday that the & issue was something in elm he did fix? Mar 20 14:39:28 oops i may have not committed it yet Mar 20 14:39:57 :-) no hurry... won't build anyway :( Mar 20 14:41:01 mrmoku`: with shr-testing, if i have no credit left on my gsm account, it does not notify me that the sms is not sent$ Mar 20 14:41:09 mwester: afaik you do not liv in dark ages... or if, then I live there too Mar 20 14:41:19 is it a know error, or should i open a trac ticked (fso/shr) Mar 20 14:41:49 mwester: seems to me more like some forgotten effect, rather than delibearate thing Mar 20 14:42:37 Zorkman_: hmm... heard about that for the first time... Mar 20 14:42:55 guess you might open a ticket :P Mar 20 14:43:31 check Mar 20 14:43:34 bes tin fso? Mar 20 14:48:19 Zorkman_: well probably frameworkd handles it nicely... and its just ophonekitd not notifying... don't know though Mar 20 15:03:41 mrmoku`: Perhaps I am jumping to conclusions -- I understood raster to say he had fixed some bug in how HTML-formatted strings are handled; I am questioning why we treat SMS messages as HTML-formatted strings in the first place. Mar 20 15:07:56 mwester: oh no no Mar 20 15:08:01 thats not shr/fso's fault Mar 20 15:08:02 thats efl Mar 20 15:08:40 raster: whom do I have to ping for python-ecore? any idea? Mar 20 15:09:15 enlightenment-devel list Mar 20 15:09:33 mwester: evas textblock uses "markup" (html-like) to define formatting Mar 20 15:09:41 ahh.. ok Mar 20 15:09:42 thus &'s, <'s and >'s need escaping Mar 20 15:10:00 tyhere are little routines to go from play text to markup and back Mar 20 15:10:08 it is a lossy translation Mar 20 15:10:15 but i just forgot to escape & Mar 20 15:10:26 (\n's are converted to
's for example as well) Mar 20 15:10:49 markup is used as u need to be able to provide more than just ascii to the text block engine Mar 20 15:10:58 like color changes, font size/formatting etc. changes Mar 20 15:11:18 internally it doesnt use markup - the textblock has a parser that breaks it down using a markup translation table you provide Mar 20 15:11:23 (ie what tags mean what) Mar 20 15:11:35 you can deal with the textblock at the raw level Mar 20 15:11:46 but then u are manually inserting text runs + format nodes call by call Mar 20 15:11:53 its possible at the direct evas api layer Mar 20 15:12:01 elementary tho doesnt expose that Mar 20 15:12:08 neither does edje Mar 20 15:12:27 naked rasters! Mar 20 15:12:43 not.. yet! Mar 20 15:12:47 :-) Mar 20 15:12:49 but thats what is about to happen.. Mar 20 15:12:51 sleepies for me! Mar 20 15:12:58 2:12am Mar 20 15:14:09 heh Mar 20 15:19:58 * mwester translates all that, and hopes that means that the latest unstable SHR will now display SMS messages with & in them. :-) Mar 20 15:24:43 mwester: :) Mar 20 15:31:43 mwester: well... first we have to build the latest ;) and that seems to be problematic :( Mar 20 15:32:23 I've just build SHR, for the first time. And may I say that it is quite... um... "interesting". Mar 20 15:33:19 :-) Mar 20 15:33:36 mwester: what do you mean by interesting? Mar 20 15:33:44 Do I have to rape you in the ass? Mar 20 15:33:51 s/in/up/ IIRC Mar 20 15:33:53 OE is a challenge, with all the updates from every direction. Mar 20 15:34:26 SHR seems to be a mega-add-on to OE. I am having some difficulty finding where what recipes are... Mar 20 15:35:06 mwester: SHR adds shr/openembedded to the bitbake files path... Mar 20 15:35:26 It seems to be based on the FSO 5.1 branch as well. But it overrides and seems to use an older kernel than FSO? Mar 20 15:35:55 Ainulindale: dinner for my birthday this evening - you are very welcome to join - you may come with Genia in case you already planned something with her Mar 20 15:36:01 Anyway, right now my concern seems to be related to e -- it just doesn't want to build very often. Mar 20 15:36:10 shr-stable is based on milestone5 Mar 20 15:36:31 don't know if the kernel changed between 5 and 5.1 Mar 20 15:36:41 IIRC it was just the 'boot with ro' that got fixed Mar 20 15:36:47 isn't 'e' the prefix of error ? Mar 20 15:36:53 * fso/milestone5.5 Mar 20 15:37:10 ^^^ git branch -a , when cd'd to the openembedded dir for shr-unstable. Mar 20 15:37:17 5.5 is shr-unstable... yeah Mar 20 15:37:46 Ok, so then that's correct. Mar 20 15:38:03 * mwester expected unstable to match OE's unstable (aka dev branch) Mar 20 15:38:26 Greetings, friends Mar 20 15:38:33 mwester: well... we might consider that... when we want xorg :-) Mar 20 15:38:42 how stable is it? Mar 20 15:38:56 completely unstable. Mar 20 15:39:38 we prefer to do the 'completely unstabl' part ourselves :P Mar 20 15:39:49 hehe! Mar 20 15:40:32 guess we will stick on 5.5 and add stuff as needed... Mar 20 15:41:50 Why not just create a branch in OE for SHR? That way one doesn't need to deal with overlays, and it's easier to merge between the two... Mar 20 15:44:45 mwester: yep... problem is... from SHR only Ainulindale and quickdev can commit to OE Mar 20 15:44:54 quickdev is somehow lost and ... Mar 20 15:44:58 and I'm there Mar 20 15:45:00 Ainulindale is a lazy ass ;) Mar 20 15:45:10 (or busy :_) Mar 20 15:45:25 T-t-t :-) Mar 20 15:45:35 If I have a working shr tree I will commit it asap Mar 20 15:45:48 anyway... when SHR is in OE... that would mean that neither spaetz, nor dos1 nor me could fix stuff... Mar 20 15:45:59 mrmoku`: we still can supersede it in our overlay Mar 20 15:46:04 And we can ask for commit access for you anyway Mar 20 15:46:36 How's France today? Mar 20 15:46:45 Ainulindale: if there is no abreviated procedure... that would mean to proove worthy, no? Mar 20 15:46:58 Dave: fine thanks Mar 20 15:47:02 mrmoku`: what do you mean? Mar 20 15:47:09 :) Mar 20 15:47:16 well... show the core team members that you won't break everything :P Mar 20 15:47:21 ok, weekend starting now. Going offline. Mar 20 15:47:32 Bye, spaetz :) Mar 20 15:47:44 weekend yet? Mar 20 15:48:31 spaetz: before you leave for your well earned weekend... any findings regarding python-ecore? Mar 20 15:48:42 or should I write to e-devel list? Mar 20 15:48:44 mrmoku`: nope. no clue about python-ecore Mar 20 15:49:05 :( ok... so have a nice weekend then :-) Mar 20 15:49:06 do write to the devel list. I had a brief look but I couldn't find anything obvious Mar 20 15:50:04 mrmoku`: we don't care as we'll commit to a branch Mar 20 15:50:05 * mrmoku` first has to shovel lots of data.... to be able to pop in the new 500GB harddisk in his laptop ;) Mar 20 15:50:12 * spaetz installs vala-settings to the FR to see whether it works Mar 20 15:51:20 how much does on of those cost? Mar 20 15:51:32 usd if possible or euro Mar 20 15:51:36 nice, dimming/suspend Policies nearly work too now Mar 20 15:51:52 usd no idea... it was around 80 EUR (+ VAT) Mar 20 15:52:09 sata? Mar 20 15:52:13 oooh - 500GB on a laptop. wow. Mar 20 15:52:14 sounds cheap Mar 20 15:52:16 yep sata Mar 20 15:52:23 ;D Mar 20 15:52:24 cool Mar 20 15:52:29 terve Mar 20 15:52:41 spaetz: yeah... its just around 20EUR more than an normal 500GB disk :-) Mar 20 15:53:08 * mwester thought his 160GB laptop was a big one... :-D Mar 20 15:53:47 mwester: well... the old one is 80GB... which got small pretty fast when starting to get involved in SHR ;) Mar 20 15:54:38 OK, nearly gone :-) Mar 20 15:54:57 If anyone is interested, just install "opkg install http://sspaeth.de/uploads/tmp/vala-settings.ipk" Mar 20 15:55:15 the github link to your vala stuff is in the backlog? Mar 20 15:55:21 The Display module works, and screen brightness is actually hooked up and working Mar 20 15:55:50 all the code is on github in current version yep. so a bitbake -c build vala-settings will produce that Mar 20 15:57:02 (the binary is just called settings) Mar 20 15:57:06 bbl, gone now Mar 20 16:04:23 fortunately Fedora 11 Beta is not ready yet... might not be able to resist otherwise :P Mar 20 16:10:28 any possibility to add libXaw8.so.8 to the shr testing feeds? Mar 20 16:10:39 need it for xboard (http://www.opkg.org/package_168.html) Mar 20 16:15:25 Zorkman_: might be interested in xboard too... will be out of order till tomorrow though Mar 20 16:15:29 after that I could check Mar 20 16:17:40 nice Mar 20 16:31:30 PaulFertser: about your bt mail, have you actually managed to use bt headset to make a call? Mar 20 16:50:03 hi every one Mar 20 16:50:55 how can I get only the suspend time? Mar 20 16:51:22 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.GetTimeouts Mar 20 16:51:54 gives 6 more informations i don't want. Mar 20 16:52:26 garthps: I guess you can't Mar 20 16:53:29 in fact i am programming a soft in C++/Qt , so i have to make something like a 'grep suspend' but how?... Mar 20 16:54:08 garthps: you're calling mdbus out of a c++ app? Mar 20 16:54:30 boost.regex =X Mar 20 16:55:15 no I will do that with qdbus Mar 20 16:55:49 for the moment i have juste test with mdbus Mar 20 17:11:00 mmmmh Mar 20 17:11:30 yi Mar 20 17:11:31 yo Mar 20 17:14:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdfa86d77ef70 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: fix prefixmap for several free-format commands (spotted on HTC Touch Pro) Mar 20 17:18:04 mickeyl seen the shr-fso wikipage? i talked to cven from cbase yesterday.. he is organizing the WCW09 Mar 20 17:18:22 which one? Mar 20 17:18:37 roh: btw., can you give all of FSO access to git.om.org, please? Mar 20 17:18:46 we need to be able to commit to the kernel and qi trees Mar 20 17:18:49 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON'09 Mar 20 17:19:19 ah that one, ya, seen it Mar 20 17:19:22 looking forward to it Mar 20 17:19:54 who is organizing the event? Mar 20 17:20:14 atm. ptitjes and Ainulindale Mar 20 17:20:24 if it's going to happen in .de, they need local help though Mar 20 17:21:40 i can help if there are problems, but atm i do not see me organizing it ;) Mar 20 17:21:45 hehe Mar 20 17:21:54 needs to be coordinated between a couple of us Mar 20 17:23:44 so yeah, send cven an email (at c-base.org) Mar 20 17:26:18 mickeyl: you working on touch pro? I mean you have raph100/300 now? Mar 20 17:26:38 yes, i have a -- i think -- raph100 Mar 20 17:26:49 and will work to improve FSO on it Mar 20 17:26:59 then lateron, try to pursude the UI guys to deal with it Mar 20 17:27:06 i love this device Mar 20 17:27:10 it's vga Mar 20 17:27:11 hardware is superb Mar 20 17:27:15 we just need a great kernel Mar 20 17:27:16 even in wm? Mar 20 17:27:22 no idea about wm Mar 20 17:27:27 it's a bootloader, isn't it? Mar 20 17:27:30 :D Mar 20 17:27:38 ah right Mar 20 17:28:16 I will try to get anything needed for cdma version if possible, the at commands are not too different Mar 20 17:28:40 good to hear Mar 20 17:28:47 my biggest grief are some of the kernel interfaces atm. Mar 20 17:28:51 do we intend to have an asoc driver or is that not known at this point Mar 20 17:28:59 ok Mar 20 17:29:00 android stuff? Mar 20 17:29:15 yeah, the non-standard ways to tweak the hardware Mar 20 17:29:26 are there ioctls for audio routing? Mar 20 17:30:08 there's a patch for libreference-ril on dzo's site with the sysfs entries used on vogue Mar 20 17:30:33 android uses them non standard on /dev/dsp I believe Mar 20 17:30:55 not exactly OSS Mar 20 17:31:03 hmm, bad bad Mar 20 17:31:13 what i'm missing is a central way to coordinate kernel/userland work Mar 20 17:31:19 but it's audio routing I'm refering to Mar 20 17:31:30 we have FSO for userland, but i'm missing a communication point other than IRC for my kernel problems ;) Mar 20 17:31:46 there isn't really, it's upstream android with qualcomm nda docs Mar 20 17:31:54 gpl source out of that Mar 20 17:32:04 but very android specific Mar 20 17:32:28 android-porting on google groups Mar 20 17:32:48 hmm, so do we need htc-non-android mailing list Mar 20 17:32:49 ? Mar 20 17:32:50 :D Mar 20 17:32:55 openhtc-devel Mar 20 17:33:21 when/if swetland comes back to #android he and SanMehat are helpful Mar 20 17:33:35 ok Mar 20 17:33:42 something on linuxtogo.org would be good Mar 20 17:33:51 agreed Mar 20 17:33:59 i think we need a driving force for something like openhtc Mar 20 17:34:09 what i can see is that we have quite a lot of stuff thanks to android kernel Mar 20 17:34:15 but there's still some way to go Mar 20 17:34:25 and we should try to cordinate efforts there Mar 20 17:34:52 they might be interested in asoc if it works, they just don't have time/whatever/resources to write it Mar 20 17:35:06 (android) Mar 20 17:35:14 and X done the right way Mar 20 17:35:55 though one of the reasons android works on this hardware is it uses gles, but that's a closed lib Mar 20 17:36:13 maybe something like -glamo could be done Mar 20 17:36:20 definitely, ya Mar 20 17:36:23 just to get 2d accel Mar 20 17:38:19 ok, i will cowork with dcordes to raise some more attention towards a site and a mailing list where we can discuss more standard-conform kernel works Mar 20 17:38:36 although we could think about just joining efforts with openezx Mar 20 17:38:46 there are some very skilled kernel guys there Mar 20 17:38:49 and we have the same goals Mar 20 17:39:05 just different devices Mar 20 17:42:29 there's also linwizard with omap devices now that a modem driver is working thanks to ali1234 Mar 20 17:43:29 oh, cool Mar 20 17:43:36 never heard about that one Mar 20 17:43:57 linwizard.sf.net and #linwizard Mar 20 17:44:28 cool Mar 20 17:44:33 yet another subcommunity though Mar 20 17:44:43 ok, we need to work on joining forces Mar 20 17:44:44 apparently most at commands are on one csmi channel and a few notifications (signal strength) are on the other Mar 20 17:44:56 sounds simple enough for ogsmd Mar 20 17:45:23 they are both kernel for most omap devices (htc) and a userland for wizard Mar 20 17:55:30 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/3898072.txt - hmm... where is error in that log? :x Mar 20 17:55:40 i can only see Error 1 and Error 2 in make :x Mar 20 17:57:04 oh, ok Mar 20 17:57:05 error: size of array 'arg' is negative Mar 20 17:57:10 dos gib2? Mar 20 17:57:14 glib2 Mar 20 17:57:18 spaetz: fennec b1 Mar 20 17:58:44 hey paroli :) Mar 20 17:58:53 hej Dave Mar 20 17:59:02 all good in da hood? Mar 20 17:59:50 Uhh mostly yes Mar 20 17:59:59 mostly is a start Mar 20 18:00:04 several of us are looking forward to a potential FSOSHRUDCON :P Mar 20 18:00:09 haha true Mar 20 18:00:20 a potential? Mar 20 18:00:24 yes Mar 20 18:00:26 I thought the plan was rather concrete Mar 20 18:00:34 No one exactly knows exactly when and where Mar 20 18:00:37 ah Mar 20 18:00:43 well yeah those things take time ;) Mar 20 18:00:48 Also, we may hold one here in the US Mar 20 18:00:58 mirko-paroli: will you go there? Mar 20 18:01:01 hopefully the europe one is webcast so we can "participate" Mar 20 18:01:12 or at least view the talks :) Mar 20 18:01:30 bumbl: doesn't sound like a bad idea ;) Mar 20 18:01:40 bumbl: I will certainly try to get there Mar 20 18:01:52 whereever "there" might be Mar 20 18:02:09 webcast? really good idea :) Mar 20 18:02:15 I believe there was some mention of a building that houses community events, yesterday. Mar 20 18:02:21 dos, isn't it? :) Mar 20 18:02:40 Dave: yes the c-base in berlin Mar 20 18:02:47 or the linux-hotel in essen Mar 20 18:02:48 I sensed a handful of people here yesterday were even interested in congregating here, in the US Mar 20 18:02:52 bumble, ah yes! Mar 20 18:02:57 which should both have the equippment Mar 20 18:03:03 nice Mar 20 18:03:32 (webcam + Mar 20 18:03:35 upstream Mar 20 18:03:38 + server Mar 20 18:03:40 ) Mar 20 18:03:43 ;) Mar 20 18:03:49 webcast webcast webcast Mar 20 18:04:04 also, if we could have real-time translation, that would be sweet too ;D Mar 20 18:04:20 Dave: sure we'll stream cookies as well Mar 20 18:04:24 haha, unfortunately, even a UT seems a little beyond the Germans at this point in time Mar 20 18:04:29 paroli :) Mar 20 18:04:32 Much appreciated Mar 20 18:04:37 We'll send over some sandwiches ;) Mar 20 18:04:50 Dave: deal Mar 20 18:04:52 ;) Mar 20 18:04:57 Yay Mar 20 18:05:28 Dave: as there are two frenchmen i think that the language will be english Mar 20 18:05:50 haha, good Mar 20 18:06:02 well hey, I kind of just figured the germans would easily overpower them... ;) Mar 20 18:06:24 * mirko-paroli needs serious coffee Mar 20 18:06:33 * Dave hooks it to his veins Mar 20 18:06:42 duh, what makes you think frenchmen know english better than german? Mar 20 18:06:58 * Dave shrugs Mar 20 18:07:17 frenchmen don't know english... Mar 20 18:07:21 yeah Mar 20 18:07:29 nbon c'est pas vrai ca :p Mar 20 18:07:36 LIES Mar 20 18:07:41 try to say english in french shops... Mar 20 18:07:44 they can talk english but they don't Mar 20 18:07:45 yes liers! Mar 20 18:07:53 they know french - sometimes. they think that's quite enough ;-) Mar 20 18:07:59 they're just jerks... Mar 20 18:08:05 nothing new :) Mar 20 18:08:13 * mirko-paroli searches for a clean needle Mar 20 18:08:18 when i was in france, it was easier to communicate in polish than in english :D Mar 20 18:08:30 was a funny thing when i was in england for improving my language Mar 20 18:08:31 rofl Mar 20 18:08:39 bumble, how'd it go? Mar 20 18:08:40 i got into contact with some french Mar 20 18:08:45 Did you get even more confused? Mar 20 18:09:10 and they refused to talk english whenever possible Mar 20 18:09:20 if they were asked something they answered in french Mar 20 18:09:42 ¬_¬ Mar 20 18:09:54 although they could have answered in english Mar 20 18:10:05 as they pretend to know any word of german, even 2km next to german border Mar 20 18:10:12 hahaha Mar 20 18:10:14 yeah Mar 20 18:10:22 oh yeah, bumble, any more snow? Mar 20 18:10:27 Dave: yeah Mar 20 18:10:31 cool :) Mar 20 18:10:34 today in the morn' it snowed Mar 20 18:10:37 :D Mar 20 18:10:38 same here :P Mar 20 18:10:43 just a little though ;) Mar 20 18:10:44 and all of it melted within 2h Mar 20 18:10:47 right! Mar 20 18:10:48 :D Mar 20 18:10:56 nah Mar 20 18:11:18 when i got up there were ~2-3cm in front of my door Mar 20 18:11:24 haha cm Mar 20 18:11:43 well our french guys are good fellas though :D Mar 20 18:11:47 yeah Mar 20 18:11:52 OURS, anyway ¬_ , Mar 20 18:12:05 definitely can't say anything about the rest of 'em ¬_¬ Mar 20 18:12:58 DocScrutinizer: thank you :) Mar 20 18:13:03 haha last holiday in elsas was nice too - people were very unfriendly and pretended to not know german until we slipped that we were austrians Mar 20 18:13:09 after that they were quite friendly Mar 20 18:13:49 ;D Mar 20 18:14:03 people don't like germans :P Mar 20 18:14:10 bumbl: SOP in Elsas Mar 20 18:14:20 i polish too :P Mar 20 18:14:24 lol Mar 20 18:14:27 dos1: I do like Germans! Mar 20 18:14:28 in poland too Mar 20 18:14:29 :D Mar 20 18:14:37 ptitjes: i'm saying about generality Mar 20 18:14:38 ;) Mar 20 18:14:40 but I don't like the German language Mar 20 18:14:50 DocScrutinizer: SOP? Mar 20 18:15:32 ~ sop is standard operating procedure Mar 20 18:15:32 okay, DocScrutinizer Mar 20 18:15:36 dos1: IMHO generality is good thing when designing! Mar 20 18:15:40 but that is all... Mar 20 18:15:40 ptitjes: same as i :D german language is... hmm... macht mir nicht spass :P Mar 20 18:15:41 ah yes Mar 20 18:15:47 haha Mar 20 18:15:55 haha Mar 20 18:16:02 sickerwitz Mar 20 18:16:03 ;) Mar 20 18:20:13 but yeah a good part of the french people do not speak any other language than french... Mar 20 18:20:37 you know... french is a so beautiful language Mar 20 18:20:44 well best in french is their reading right to left (OTAN) paired with occasional legastenics (SIDA) Mar 20 18:20:51 in french even swearing sounds good Mar 20 18:21:12 Unlike in German... Mar 20 18:21:15 haha :D Mar 20 18:21:17 ... where everything sounds like you're swearing :D Mar 20 18:21:17 but is unsuitable for "hard" topics (there german is the better choice) Mar 20 18:21:18 :D Mar 20 18:21:30 as i said ;) Mar 20 18:21:33 German is good for yelling or demeaning people. Mar 20 18:21:34 :P Mar 20 18:21:39 yes, you did say Mar 20 18:22:00 Dave: actually we do ;) (swear) Mar 20 18:22:11 :P Mar 20 18:22:23 hey, can anyone help me with my serial console? Mar 20 18:22:31 heast oida, mei neo is ned deppat Mar 20 18:22:33 ;) Mar 20 18:22:35 on resume the console gets full of character crap :( Mar 20 18:22:43 kinky Mar 20 18:23:18 bumbl: XD Mar 20 18:26:30 RedDog: some junk cars might be normal. if it doesn't get back to normal, maybe you caught a , try restarting terminal Mar 20 18:29:12 terminal is ok, if i restart cu i can see the messages from my host--- Mar 20 18:29:44 huh? Mar 20 18:30:03 if i play with stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 and speed settings, i can turn most chars back to normal (but not all) Mar 20 18:30:20 RedDog: which serial console you are talking about anyway? Mar 20 18:30:23 i have to say: it's a gta01 with andy-tracking Mar 20 18:30:40 the one on the debug board Mar 20 18:31:22 * DocScrutinizer is tempted to say "I knew THAT" Mar 20 18:31:57 are there more serial consoles? Mar 20 18:32:33 RedDog: gta01 is sharing console and modem serial (it's muxed) Mar 20 18:33:28 RedDog: so probably the settings used for accessing modem aren't reset to those of kernel console Mar 20 18:33:28 oh yeah, i commented out the gsm driver registration, so gsm is off all the time! Mar 20 18:34:38 RedDog: anyway I have no idea when and how switching between modem and console is done on GTA01 Mar 20 18:35:01 RedDog: esp wrt suspend Mar 20 18:37:01 RedDog: you see, modem is most important resume irq source Mar 20 18:37:53 wpwrak: ping Mar 20 18:38:13 wpwrak: any additional comments on this topic? Mar 20 18:38:46 (that's been before my time with OM) Mar 20 18:39:58 RedDog: a first aid botch might be setting modem and console to same baudrate Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1b57e0a6bab4 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Do not assume a range of 0-255 for +CLVL, rather Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: query the modem first. If the respective query is not supported, Mar 20 18:47:03 freesmartphone.org: _then_ assume 0-255. [QUALCOMM MSM] uses a range of 0-5. Mar 20 18:50:52 DocScrutinizer: will look at gsm driver Mar 20 18:52:17 RedDog: I guess operating mux isn't exactly done in gsm driver. prolly it's a native kernel function Mar 20 18:52:59 maybe serial dev drivers Mar 20 18:54:34 kernel/printk.c console_stop() Mar 20 18:54:48 but it's also not really muxing! Mar 20 18:55:06 maybe it's muxed in hardware when gsm is on... Mar 20 18:55:45 nah, hw doesn't have any intelligence Mar 20 18:56:28 (at least the mux ;) Mar 20 18:56:59 you mean it is not muxed, so that it is both connected all the time? Mar 20 18:57:20 mickeyl: care to look over this? http://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/patches/FSO/frameworkd-agps.diff Mar 20 18:57:47 Wonka :) Mar 20 18:58:06 oh interesting Mar 20 18:58:11 i think it's violating layers Mar 20 18:58:14 but it's a good start Mar 20 18:58:24 i'll leave it to Daniel though, he's the GPS chef in FSO Mar 20 18:58:28 thanks! Mar 20 18:58:36 np :) Mar 20 18:58:40 RedDog: i mean mux is controlled by a SoC gpio Mar 20 18:59:39 RedDog: gpio is controlled by kernel I's assume Mar 20 19:00:33 GSM_EN ... found it in the schematic Mar 20 19:00:58 i reenabled the gsm driver Mar 20 19:01:01 errrrr Mar 20 19:01:31 now the console show messages till "NET: Registered protocol family 1" Mar 20 19:01:52 the message is "neo1973-pm-gsm neo1973-pm-gsm.0: powered down GTA01 GSM, enabling serial console Mar 20 19:02:14 it seems, that it just disables my console! :( Mar 20 19:02:14 yup, ok. GSM_EN isn't DL_GSM ;-) Mar 20 19:03:43 wasn't there a tool to look what the gpio is set? Mar 20 19:03:46 RedDog: sorry I don't now how to help any further. That's kernel domain, not hw Mar 20 19:04:08 yup, sth like S3C2442-gpio Mar 20 19:04:13 DocScrutinizer: err, the GSM_EN topic ? GSM_EN controls the multiplexer Mar 20 19:04:17 from werner Mar 20 19:04:25 wpwrak: ping Mar 20 19:04:41 ahh, there U are Mar 20 19:04:44 :) Mar 20 19:04:47 isn't werner on the way from TPE to BA ? Mar 20 19:05:42 wpwrak: U know any more details about how and when and by whom muxing is done? Mar 20 19:06:02 wpwrak: (gta01 console mux that is) Mar 20 19:06:43 wpwrak: RedDog finds his console FUBAR after resume Mar 20 19:07:21 oh, he's there Mar 20 19:07:28 wpwrak: obviously baud-settings etc messed up Mar 20 19:07:29 wpwrak: you're back? Mar 20 19:13:06 mickeyl: at home, yes. and badly jet-lagged Mar 20 19:13:33 welcome home Mar 20 19:13:37 DocScrutinizer: and he found that the mux is in the wrong state ? Mar 20 19:13:42 wpwrak: get well soon Mar 20 19:13:45 mickeyl: thanks :) Mar 20 19:13:57 DocScrutinizer: it's the usual one week of sleep :) Mar 20 19:14:07 nah, we're just starting to talk basics Mar 20 19:15:00 GSM_EN is inverted, isn't is? Mar 20 19:16:09 [2009-03-20 19:22:35] on resume the console gets full of character crap :( Mar 20 19:16:22 [2009-03-20 19:30:03] if i play with stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 and speed settings, i can turn most chars back to normal (but not all) Mar 20 19:17:20 wpwrak: so it's obviously not GSM_EN, but some glitch in setting UART parameters Mar 20 19:17:46 RedDog: yup Mar 20 19:18:01 i disabled the pm-gsm driver because it's disabling my serial console ... Mar 20 19:18:29 maybe the pm-gsm driver does some resume clean up? Mar 20 19:18:40 s/eters/eters on resume/ Mar 20 19:18:40 DocScrutinizer meant: wpwrak: so it's obviously not GSM_EN, but some glitch in setting UART parameters on resume Mar 20 19:19:50 DocScrutinizer: hmm, what does the "but not all" mean ? Mar 20 19:20:14 dunno, I'm not RedDog Mar 20 19:21:07 "but not all" could be a mixture of a crap terminal and a working serial... Mar 20 19:24:16 RedDog: more precision and details might help a lot Mar 20 19:24:35 arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gsm.c:gta01_gsm_resume has a discouraging comment: Mar 20 19:24:42 FIXME: resume ordering race with serial driver! */ Mar 20 19:25:33 :-\ Mar 20 19:25:44 though this would seem to break GSM when the console is deselected, not the other way around Mar 20 19:26:17 that can't be the problem because the pm-gsm was complete off... Mar 20 19:27:15 what's the meaning of "complete off"? you removed the module? Mar 20 19:27:35 i commented out the device registering Mar 20 19:28:39 ok gta01_gsm_probe should not do gsm_on_off(&pdev->dev, 0); because this kill the serial console! Mar 20 19:30:00 brrr. the muxer is too much for my head in its present state :) Mar 20 19:30:18 i don't think that the muxer is the real problem ... Mar 20 19:30:25 it was another problem, but not this one! Mar 20 19:30:46 actually i have a crapy console after my last resume... Mar 20 19:30:48 well then... Mar 20 19:31:01 this craped my terminal ... Mar 20 19:31:30 i reset the terminal, but the serial console is still crap Mar 20 19:32:00 no i do: stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 speed 9600 Mar 20 19:32:08 stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 speed 115200 Mar 20 19:32:16 and ... voila ... console is back ;) Mar 20 19:32:45 so i think the kernel missed something.. Mar 20 19:32:52 which were original settings? Mar 20 19:33:05 115200 Mar 20 19:33:43 it seems that the soc forgets the right speed on sleep Mar 20 19:34:16 I'd say it sets the speed to modem presets on resume Mar 20 19:35:06 can you point me to that in the code? Mar 20 19:36:50 or messes around with flowcontrol Mar 20 19:37:21 while trying to handle mux Mar 20 19:39:09 RedDog: if you just do the 115200, it doesn't help ? Mar 20 19:39:18 wpwrak: moment ... Mar 20 19:40:10 only the 115200 helps also Mar 20 19:41:05 RedDog: thanks Mar 20 19:41:17 so maybe it's interesting to find out what's it been set to before resetting to 115k? Mar 20 19:42:11 is also enough to do only "stty -F /dev/ttySAC0" Mar 20 19:43:48 RedDog: hmm... Mar 20 19:43:54 echo >/dev/ttySAC0 ? Mar 20 19:44:36 yeah, works Mar 20 19:45:52 i think i see it ... Mar 20 19:45:54 a simple touch does it, too.. Mar 20 19:47:20 modprobe Mar 20 19:49:51 or a flaw in console driver Mar 20 19:50:36 RedDog: does this patch help ? http://people.openmoko.org/werner/unconfuse-gta01-resume.patch Mar 20 19:53:01 will try it, but what exactly does this patch? Mar 20 19:53:14 or better, why you think it could help? Mar 20 19:54:00 Elm.Toggle.name_get is not implemented ?! Mar 20 19:54:05 first question definitely been the cooler one Mar 20 19:54:23 it switches to gsm if the gpios say that the mux is set to gsm, not if gsm is merely enabled Mar 20 19:54:24 spank mickey Mar 20 19:55:41 isn't it: if modem_on then stop_console ? Mar 20 19:56:23 RedDog: i think if mux_selects_modem then stop_console makes more sense. or so i hope :) Mar 20 19:56:42 yes, it's that what i mean... Mar 20 19:56:57 RedDog: if you want a better answer, give my jet-lag a few more days of sleep :) Mar 20 19:57:10 but in my setup it should ever be mux_selects_serial Mar 20 19:58:40 RedDog: exactly. so it wouldn't stop the console Mar 20 19:59:11 lindi-: Hey, just got back home. The headset i have doesn't work, but shoragan has successfully used his. Mar 20 19:59:13 you mean, it stops the console and by that it's craps it up... Mar 20 19:59:26 * wpwrak is crawling back to bed ... the world is too confusing today Mar 20 19:59:32 Aww, hehe Mar 20 20:00:08 wpwrak: patch doesn't work Mar 20 20:00:28 good night wpwrak and many thanks for your help! Mar 20 20:03:56 RedDog:i guess it would have been too easy :-( sorry. i'll see if i can do better tomorrow or so ... Mar 20 20:04:48 wpwrak: hey, nice dreams to you :) Mar 20 20:05:41 uff, also the 2.6.24 kernel has this issue! Mar 20 20:12:04 Quatrox! Mar 20 20:12:18 Dave Mar 20 20:13:11 how are you Dave? Mar 20 20:13:13 står til Mar 20 20:13:20 ok :P Mar 20 20:13:23 bare bra Mar 20 20:13:26 :] Mar 20 20:13:32 knoter med gentoo Mar 20 20:13:58 shr unstable er gærn ~_~ Mar 20 20:14:06 huff da Mar 20 20:14:06 bugs bugs BUGS Mar 20 20:14:09 @_@ Mar 20 20:14:37 jeg fikk lyst til å prøve gentoo i stedet for shr Mar 20 20:14:48 hehe Mar 20 20:14:49 siden ting da blir mer opp til meg Mar 20 20:14:50 gentoo :P Mar 20 20:14:55 I see Mar 20 20:15:56 so shr-unstable is unstable? Mar 20 20:16:00 haha Mar 20 20:16:08 what about shr-testing? Mar 20 20:16:11 very ¬_¬ Mar 20 20:16:14 ok Mar 20 20:16:20 good Mar 20 20:16:47 Ainulindale: it seems no date on the wiki can work for me... Mar 20 20:16:48 problem always ... frameworkd en efl srcrev :P Mar 20 20:16:58 *breakage* Mar 20 20:17:01 :X Mar 20 20:17:05 switch to gentoo Mar 20 20:17:15 mickey|tv: online? I have a small libeflvala patch Mar 20 20:17:20 quatrox! Mar 20 20:17:31 hehe, maybe Mar 20 20:17:31 PaulFertser! Mar 20 20:17:45 PaulFertser: how are you Mar 20 20:18:20 quatrox: i'm ok, you? Mar 20 20:18:52 great Mar 20 20:19:40 this weekend I hope to get some time to play with my neo again Mar 20 20:20:55 spaetz: not really, need to go back in a second. do you want commit access? Mar 20 20:21:56 mickey|tv you needed something earlier about git.. what was it? Mar 20 20:22:27 access! :D Mar 20 20:22:36 who to what Mar 20 20:22:47 commit access is ok Mar 20 20:23:02 alternatively I mailed you the 2 liner patch to the vanille-media account a second ago Mar 20 20:23:49 roh: me, Jan, Daniel, Stefan to git.openmoko.org Mar 20 20:24:12 spaetz: mail me your ssh key Mar 20 20:24:30 ok, will arrive in a second Mar 20 20:25:53 ssh key mail to vanille-media Mar 20 20:25:57 mailed Mar 20 20:28:53 spaetz: welcome on board, patch looks good, feel free to commit Mar 20 20:29:04 ok, thanks. :) Mar 20 20:29:10 change remote to git@git.freesmartphone.org:libeflvala Mar 20 20:29:13 l8er Mar 20 20:29:26 thanks for the hint, I am a git noob Mar 20 20:32:01 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r6ac870676f97 10/vapi/evas.vapi: evas/elm name_get|set Mar 20 20:32:13 mickey|tv i need repos. Mar 20 20:32:27 yay Mar 20 20:32:35 my first CIA message ever :) Mar 20 20:32:44 mickey|tv we have gitosis there, so i need to know who to which of the repos Mar 20 20:36:02 mickey|tv can you just email me the ssh-keys? yours is already there.. dunno which ones i should use for the rest (could just go and use some i find on other machines) Mar 20 20:43:00 * Deubeuliou is going to buy a truck full of pop corn while watching TomTom/Microsoft patents war Mar 20 20:45:31 Ainulindale: ping Mar 20 20:46:36 dos1: I'm not available but you can leave a message :-) Mar 20 20:47:27 Ainulindale: i only wanted to ask what do you think about registering SHR in CIA Mar 20 20:49:12 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r3b35a90b8056 10/vapi/evas.vapi: return of const *char translates to a 'weak string' or we free too much. this works now. Mar 20 21:00:04 * mrmoku` is wondering when the day will come where he learned to *not* do backup tars with bzip2 compression :P Mar 20 21:05:55 :D Mar 20 21:06:03 mrmoku, never? Mar 20 21:06:05 ;P Mar 20 21:07:32 Dave: never! Mar 20 21:07:36 * PaulFertser wonders if anyone thinks frameworkd should retain compatibility with python2.5 or nobody will care? Mar 20 21:07:45 :D Mar 20 21:08:11 If it don't it will really brokes many distros Mar 20 21:08:25 that trying port openmoko(shr/fso) to them Mar 20 21:11:13 max_posedon: why do they want to use ancient python versions? ;) Mar 20 21:11:41 DocScrutinizer: forgotten to say thanks to you also Mar 20 21:12:03 PaulFert1er_, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230205 Mar 20 21:13:17 summon Quatrox Mar 20 21:14:45 ? Mar 20 21:15:17 PaulFertser, of course, this bugs will be fixed, but many distros still using 2.5 Mar 20 21:15:35 max_posedon: ok, i hope FSO guys will agree with the reasoning Mar 20 21:15:41 and I don't think that fso/shr should be only of openmebedded Mar 20 21:15:46 *for* Mar 20 21:16:09 max_posedon: i run it on Debian, that's why i spotted the incompatibility in the recent code Mar 20 21:16:43 gentoo? Mar 20 21:16:54 mrmoku`: welcome in the club Mar 20 21:17:07 max_posedon: but what about python3? Either it works with 2.6 and 3 or with 2.5 and 2.6... Mar 20 21:17:11 Dave, yes, I'm one of the guy who porting fso/shr to gentoo. Mar 20 21:17:21 * bumbl throws several 40gb tar.bz2 at mrmoku` Mar 20 21:17:40 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * rf34ef380ce5c 10/vapi/evas.vapi: add Evas.Object.visible_get(). Tested. Mar 20 21:17:41 bumbl: the 'me-does-backups-with-bz2-even-while-knowing-better' club :-) Mar 20 21:17:56 :P Mar 20 21:17:56 yeah Mar 20 21:18:00 How's it going? Mar 20 21:18:21 Dave: the club? Mar 20 21:18:21 PaulFertser, I don't know anything about python3 Mar 20 21:19:09 * mrmoku` catches bumbl's 40GB.tar.bz2 and deposits it on his brand new 500GB hdd - to be examined later ;) Mar 20 21:19:11 python 3 is nice Mar 20 21:19:16 mrmoku :P Mar 20 21:19:33 but breaks stuff Mar 20 21:19:57 Dave: how many sandwiches will you pay me for one or two of bumbl's secret passwords? :P Mar 20 21:20:38 damn Mar 20 21:20:41 ;) Mar 20 21:20:48 hahahaha Mar 20 21:20:52 TEN Mar 20 21:20:55 ten sandwiches! Mar 20 21:21:57 went out to have a nice Pizza while the damn thing was tarring along... so will come back to you later... when the hunger comes back :-) Mar 20 21:23:10 :D Mar 20 21:23:13 don't worry Mar 20 21:23:20 I got you covered, m. moku :) Mar 20 21:30:39 ok, finished for today Mar 20 21:31:41 ResourcePolicy and Brightness setting work now Mar 20 21:31:54 aka prevent Blank/Suspend Mar 20 21:32:36 YAY! Mar 20 21:32:40 Hooray for spaetz! Mar 20 21:32:45 Also, weren't you going to bed hours ago? :P Mar 20 21:33:00 Dave: nahh, going offline. Mar 20 21:33:02 But I lied Mar 20 21:33:06 :P Mar 20 21:33:08 vacation? Mar 20 21:33:17 weekend and family :) Mar 20 21:33:18 weekend? Mar 20 21:33:24 ;) Mar 20 21:34:14 hmm... what would be broken after installing illume-theme-asu on shr-unstable? :D Mar 20 21:34:48 dos1: try and tell us :P Mar 20 21:35:01 i've just installed it :D Mar 20 21:35:13 Hi all! Mar 20 21:35:18 exploded? or imploded? Mar 20 21:35:53 now i can see only blank screen :x Mar 20 21:35:54 D: Mar 20 21:35:58 BLACKHOLE Mar 20 21:36:08 oh! Mar 20 21:36:12 what's illume-theme-asu? Mar 20 21:36:19 alternative theming? Mar 20 21:36:22 launcher showed :) Mar 20 21:36:35 sounds assy Mar 20 21:36:36 and launcher is really faster :) Mar 20 21:37:19 make it default then :) Mar 20 21:38:15 MORE POWER!!1111 Mar 20 21:38:24 spaetz: no, it really needs more love Mar 20 21:38:40 dos1, I didn't know you swung that way ;p Mar 20 21:38:44 hehe Mar 20 21:38:48 * Dave nominates mrmoku Mar 20 21:38:49 REMOVE (for closing apps) doesn't work Mar 20 21:38:59 ~lart Dave Mar 20 21:38:59 * bzzbot follow's Dave with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION Mar 20 21:39:27 there is no wrench... and keyboard toggle Mar 20 21:39:32 * mrmoku` does not want to be nominated for making love with dos1 Mar 20 21:40:24 Anyone except me made patch for zhone to use sqlite db for contacts? 8) Mar 20 21:43:11 Dave: please, allow me to decide with who i want to make love :P Mar 20 21:43:30 hahahaha Mar 20 21:44:00 mrmoku, rather, I was insinuating you had a thing for mokos, instead ;p Mar 20 21:44:15 we all know you're into the kinky om shit :P Mar 20 21:44:27 Dave: ahh... fine then :-) Mar 20 21:44:31 hahaha :D Mar 20 21:44:34 ~unlart Dave Mar 20 21:44:39 ^_^ Mar 20 21:52:52 really night now :-) bed time Mar 20 21:53:03 hehe :-) Mar 20 21:56:15 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/000daf43b85f7291784ca92219255e0f.png Mar 20 21:56:47 fail Mar 20 21:57:04 btw. when should we use elm genlist when list Mar 20 21:57:19 and when goes genlist to py elm Mar 20 21:57:22 dos1: could you describe the content of that scap? I'm text mode only right now :( Mar 20 21:57:37 mrmoku`: SHR with ASU theme Mar 20 21:57:53 ahh... the one needing love :P Mar 20 21:58:05 that screen is ok Mar 20 21:58:22 but after clicking on top shelf... Mar 20 21:58:38 ...it is strange :P Mar 20 22:01:35 scap it like its hot Mar 20 22:12:26 ok, have to go Mar 20 22:12:27 cu Mar 20 22:15:56 * PaulFertser wonders why his mail to smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org is not there yet, despite being in my [Gmail]/Sent folder.... Mar 20 22:17:11 laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag Mar 20 22:19:27 * mrmoku` wonders why that tar takes that long and why he did not clean his home folder before starting the tar in the first place... Mar 20 22:21:58 * beniwtv wonders if everybody wonders about something Mar 20 22:22:25 * Dave rolls his eyes and takes out a sandwich Mar 20 22:22:33 ophonekitd: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0: undefined symbol: elm_object_focus :: what library holds this symbol? Mar 20 22:30:21 Blu3, looks like "elementary" to me Mar 20 22:30:43 *nod* i pulled it out of unstable Mar 20 23:07:08 raster: ping Mar 20 23:07:55 raster: ecore_fb no longer compiles. there's a type mismatch in the definition of _ecore_evas_mouse_move_process, which I can't resolve, because everytime something else blows up :) Mar 20 23:08:25 apparantly it's void somewhere, but static void elsewhere, Ecore_Evas* being the first parameter somewhere, void* elsewhere Mar 20 23:10:22 if I try to unify, I either get multiple definitions or a missing symbol Mar 20 23:18:27 anyone here (raster), knows where elm_list_go() comes from? which pkg/lib? is it supposed to be in python-elementary? Mar 20 23:20:00 elm_list_go is from libelementary Mar 20 23:20:15 i have no idea what it does, but it's in the public header, so probably be useful in py Mar 20 23:22:10 ok Mar 21 00:13:05 Blu3: if its elm_* its elementary, and elm_list_go is used to say "i'm done adding/deleting/whatever stuff - go do it!" Mar 21 00:13:37 ok, i got it earlier. thank ya Mar 21 00:17:12 mickeyl: let me check Mar 21 00:18:06 thanks Mar 21 00:18:26 39502 still builds Mar 21 00:18:31 must have been within the last 100 revs Mar 21 00:18:43 oh, and did you get my message about elm_parent_get? Mar 21 00:19:37 elm_parent_Get? no? Mar 21 00:20:01 ok, someone wanted to grab the parent for an elm widget Mar 21 00:20:12 evas_smart_object_parent_get always returns 0 here for every elm widget Mar 21 00:20:26 and there's some private elm_win_parent_get in the .c Mar 21 00:20:33 so i ponder whether this should be public or not Mar 21 00:21:06 hmmm Mar 21 00:22:02 evas_smart_object_parent_get isnt goingt ot be right anyway Mar 21 00:22:11 as the internal structure and the logical structure dont match Mar 21 00:22:26 as an elm widget may have multiple levels of smart object within it Mar 21 00:22:29 right, that's what i expected Mar 21 00:22:51 eg elm_widget wraps an edje which swallows a box smart which.. actually holds the child widgets Mar 21 00:23:07 hmm Mar 21 00:23:10 ecore builds for me Mar 21 00:23:50 hi i'm trying to compile vagalume but i got an error that says " link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libz.la' or unhandled argument `/usr/lib/libz.la" but if i do "opkg-target install libz1 libz-dev" it tells me that libz is installed and up to date Mar 21 00:24:08 any idea? Mar 21 00:24:09 raster: sure you compile with fb? Mar 21 00:24:13 raster: it compiles fine without Mar 21 00:24:36 aaah never mind Mar 21 00:24:38 i buyild evas with fb Mar 21 00:24:38 :) Mar 21 00:24:40 not ecore_evas Mar 21 00:24:43 ah Mar 21 00:25:32 let me run that again Mar 21 00:26:19 i'll clean up the code a bit first Mar 21 00:27:25 mickeyl: built for me Mar 21 00:27:31 #define BUILD_ECORE_EVAS_FB 1 Mar 21 00:27:33 in config.h Mar 21 00:27:44 which compiler? Mar 21 00:27:57 perhaps mine is more strict Mar 21 00:28:02 ok Mar 21 00:28:03 and you clearly have mismatching declarations there Mar 21 00:28:04 i happened to fix it Mar 21 00:28:09 ah Mar 21 00:28:11 even better Mar 21 00:28:14 ok Mar 21 00:28:22 someone didnt include ecore_evas_private.h Mar 21 00:28:57 wt5f? Mar 21 00:29:06 wtf??? Mar 21 00:29:11 how.. eh? wtf? Mar 21 00:30:28 someone... changed the code so we had duplicate copies of _ecore_evas_mouse_move_process Mar 21 00:30:35 one static in ecore_evas_fb.c Mar 21 00:30:45 and one generic in ecore_evas.c Mar 21 00:30:56 they didnt rename the "private one in ecore-evas_fb.c" Mar 21 00:30:58 used the same name Mar 21 00:31:10 eh, fun Mar 21 00:31:10 so relying on symbol locality to make it use the local one Mar 21 00:31:15 hi rasterman! :-) Mar 21 00:31:20 they happened to differ in prototype with some changes Mar 21 00:31:27 thus gcc unhappy Mar 21 00:31:32 yap Mar 21 00:31:42 i changed it just for cleanliness to match when u pointed it out thus it happened to fix it Mar 21 00:32:42 hehe Mar 21 00:33:42 git-blame =P Mar 21 00:35:42 aaah, and tslib worky again Mar 21 00:35:51 this looks good Mar 21 00:35:53 really Mar 21 00:36:09 now if I could just stop libelementary from linking against all those X libs Mar 21 00:36:17 then it'd be all good Mar 21 00:38:52 hehe, and the layout demo is actually nearly smooth on this device :) Mar 21 00:38:57 well yeah, it stutters a bit Mar 21 00:39:00 ok Mar 21 00:39:01 in svn Mar 21 00:39:02 (fix) Mar 21 00:39:04 thanks Mar 21 00:39:08 39604 Mar 21 00:39:24 hmm Mar 21 00:39:26 what device? Mar 21 00:39:40 depends on resolution ans soc/cpu Mar 21 00:39:40 Dr. Raster and Mr. Hyde? Mar 21 00:39:46 but it could be nice Mar 21 00:39:52 as for linking to x Mar 21 00:39:57 elementary can work without Mar 21 00:40:01 pxa26x, qvga Mar 21 00:40:26 can i play with framerate or will that not make a difference? Mar 21 00:40:28 *IF* u have ecore-x Mar 21 00:40:31 it WILL build support Mar 21 00:40:37 raster: don't be coding after you drink that potion! funny things happen to that code... Mar 21 00:41:07 if u dont have it (at build timne) it can build with more minimal (fb only) support Mar 21 00:41:19 pxa26x... hmmm thats a bit under my treo650 Mar 21 00:41:30 the treo650 320x320 is actually a good platform Mar 21 00:41:32 hmm or 27x Mar 21 00:41:33 I don't know if it's related, but I couldn't build today due to a missing "input.pc" file Mar 21 00:41:35 can't remember offhand Mar 21 00:41:36 res is not too high, cpu is "decent" Mar 21 00:41:54 Processor : XScale-PXA270 rev 7 (v5l) Mar 21 00:41:54 BogoMIPS : 414.77 Mar 21 00:41:58 gta02 was the "weenie cpu, fuckload of pixels" land Mar 21 00:42:04 ya, it's quite nice here Mar 21 00:42:06 ooh 400mhz Mar 21 00:42:29 nb - i've seen elementary and evas etc. on a pxa310 (well 312) Mar 21 00:42:32 ecore built fine, but e complained about ecore-x requiring the missing pkg-config file Mar 21 00:42:35 and its silky smooth (320x320) Mar 21 00:42:38 samsung i780 Mar 21 00:42:52 there is already a full linux port to it Mar 21 00:43:58 mickeyl: which device is it? (or you can't say?) Mar 21 00:44:34 johnsu01: shoudl be ecore-input.pc Mar 21 00:44:53 raster: I think there's a bug in the makefile or config somewhere.. it's definitely looking for just input.pc. Mar 21 00:44:54 PKG_CHECK_MODULES(E, [ Mar 21 00:44:55 ... Mar 21 00:45:01 ecore-evas Mar 21 00:45:01 ecore-input Mar 21 00:45:01 ecore-con Mar 21 00:45:09 from configure.ac Mar 21 00:45:30 hey mickeyl Mar 21 00:45:33 DocScrutinizer: moooning! Mar 21 00:45:40 raster: oh just our ancient openezx series Mar 21 00:45:46 A780 actually Mar 21 00:45:47 qaaaah Mar 21 00:45:53 with A1200 in the pipeline Mar 21 00:46:05 efl/elementary and friends should work well on that Mar 21 00:46:09 indeed Mar 21 00:46:13 all very amazing Mar 21 00:46:20 the problem is those are now hard to find Mar 21 00:46:28 u need to hunt them down Mar 21 00:46:34 true, but there's ~10 million around Mar 21 00:46:38 sure Mar 21 00:46:38 if they still work ;) Mar 21 00:46:44 and THAT is the problem Mar 21 00:46:45 :) Mar 21 00:46:53 well, i have two things to concentrate here Mar 21 00:46:53 find one - sure. 2nd hand.. maybe Mar 21 00:46:55 one is the openezx series Mar 21 00:46:59 the other one my new htc touch pro Mar 21 00:47:00 but.. how many time has it been flushed? Mar 21 00:47:01 :) Mar 21 00:47:07 hmm Mar 21 00:47:10 touch pro is 3g - right? Mar 21 00:47:16 which would be amazing when we can kick the kernel devs a bit more Mar 21 00:47:18 yes, 3g Mar 21 00:47:22 brillant hardware keyboard Mar 21 00:47:24 vga Mar 21 00:47:26 with the slide out kbd?> Mar 21 00:47:27 etc. Mar 21 00:47:29 yep Mar 21 00:47:29 (keypad) Mar 21 00:47:33 ok - that one Mar 21 00:47:42 the problem is that needs RE Mar 21 00:47:46 yes Mar 21 00:47:48 going from winmo Mar 21 00:47:50 however Mar 21 00:47:56 android is giving us a kickstart there Mar 21 00:48:01 since it's all qualcomm msm7 Mar 21 00:48:04 there is an android for it? Mar 21 00:48:07 no Mar 21 00:48:11 aaaah Mar 21 00:48:18 but it's family Mar 21 00:48:25 lots of the htc are pretty similar Mar 21 00:48:32 this is good Mar 21 00:48:34 ... and bad Mar 21 00:48:34 so reuse the msm7 binary blob drivers for now Mar 21 00:48:44 since most of those folks only interested in kicking win mobile to run android Mar 21 00:48:49 yes, that sounds strange Mar 21 00:48:50 ;) Mar 21 00:49:01 well its a start Mar 21 00:49:07 yep Mar 21 00:50:04 my i780 has a msm6260 Mar 21 00:50:09 so that may be a go Mar 21 00:50:17 though i may be able to get full sources Mar 21 00:50:26 for a linux port Mar 21 00:50:38 it will have to wait until next month though Mar 21 00:51:19 one last thing bevore i fall into bed Mar 21 00:51:25 i love elementary,but there's one thing falling behind Mar 21 00:51:36 the on/off switches don't look good compared to the rest of the widgets Mar 21 00:51:41 can you do something to them? Mar 21 00:51:42 http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/limo-linux-on-three-phones/14497732 Mar 21 00:52:02 hmm toggles Mar 21 00:52:06 ya Mar 21 00:52:14 i'm wondering if my drag to flip is good Mar 21 00:52:18 same here Mar 21 00:52:24 i think drag is cool optionally Mar 21 00:52:24 i can look into them Mar 21 00:52:25 mickeyl: will you arrive monday or tuesday in aalborg ? Mar 21 00:52:29 tho that may need to wait a littl Mar 21 00:52:30 but it should also be possible to push 'em to toggle Mar 21 00:52:31 little Mar 21 00:52:38 pwgen: monday Mar 21 00:52:40 i just made copy&paste etc. finger-friendly Mar 21 00:52:47 pwgen: want to meet? Mar 21 00:52:47 well it works combined with finger scroll Mar 21 00:52:56 sure Mar 21 00:53:15 u have to press and hold- u get a menu to paste or select Mar 21 00:53:36 then go into selection mode (not complete yet) where you get to play with the selection and scrolling behavior changes Mar 21 00:53:49 then press+hold again to copy or cut Mar 21 00:53:53 i should add a cancel Mar 21 00:54:21 raster: sounds good Mar 21 00:54:42 main thng is that it works without a stylus Mar 21 00:54:47 and while being able to scroll too Mar 21 00:54:54 pwgen: I'll arrive 13:05 on Aalborg airport Mar 21 00:55:00 and have no plans until tuesday Mar 21 00:55:19 i can catch you at the airport . Mar 21 00:55:26 oh that'd be cool Mar 21 00:55:33 it's LH 6006 from Kopenhagen Mar 21 00:56:15 i need to do another theme for elm anyway just to test/demo u can do themes Mar 21 00:56:34 mickey do you have a hotel in Mar 21 00:56:45 pwgen: ya, they have booked one for me, i do not know which one though :) Mar 21 00:57:04 raster: here's the build error for input.pc: http://paste.org/index.php?id=6050 Mar 21 00:58:10 i think its the same where the conference is .. Mar 21 00:58:57 i dont see how that can happen Mar 21 00:59:01 not from upstream src Mar 21 00:59:06 I haven't been able to find it either Mar 21 00:59:13 i cant find anything referring to only "input" Mar 21 00:59:21 as oppsoed to ecore-input Mar 21 00:59:31 but it's svn Revision: 39601 Mar 21 01:00:11 raster: the font rendering looks odd to me Mar 21 01:00:23 mickeyl: ??? Mar 21 01:00:29 i know it's the same evas Mar 21 01:00:40 got a screenie? Mar 21 01:00:46 raster: I suppose I could just make an input.pc symlink to ecore-input.pc ;) Mar 21 01:00:55 not really, you wouldn't notice anyways Mar 21 01:00:59 rememebr elm will honor scaling - if e sets a root window property Mar 21 01:01:01 since you're so addicted to your tiny fonts Mar 21 01:01:06 :) Mar 21 01:01:07 whihc it will if e's scaling is set to adapt to dpi Mar 21 01:01:17 ya, i use ELM_SCALE=1.5 Mar 21 01:01:22 hmm Mar 21 01:01:24 still i think they could be more antialiased Mar 21 01:01:24 well that will work Mar 21 01:01:28 it just wont look the same as 1.0 Mar 21 01:01:33 perhaps I'm spoiled by the outline fonts i'm using in Zhone Mar 21 01:01:44 i think these look much better :) Mar 21 01:01:44 it could be a lack of autohinting ability in freetype Mar 21 01:01:50 or bytecode hinting Mar 21 01:01:53 or a different sans font? Mar 21 01:01:57 ya, need to double check that Mar 21 01:02:05 not high prio though Mar 21 01:02:10 johnsu01: looks entirely odd to me Mar 21 01:02:20 almost as if something ran sed over stuff after build and changed it Mar 21 01:02:32 i think they look "thin" Mar 21 01:02:37 a bit fleshless Mar 21 01:02:42 thinner than I'm used tro Mar 21 01:02:47 aaah Mar 21 01:02:55 edjavu - i think thats uses as sans Mar 21 01:02:56 does that ring a bell? Mar 21 01:03:04 wont get "thicker" until u hit about 2.0 Mar 21 01:03:11 oh Mar 21 01:03:35 1.6 - sorry Mar 21 01:03:38 they get thicker then Mar 21 01:03:48 its just the font Mar 21 01:03:50 how it works Mar 21 01:04:04 nb - for th e qvga screen.. u probably want 1.0 as scaling.. by default Mar 21 01:04:11 ya Mar 21 01:04:14 if u find buttons too msall to hit Mar 21 01:04:15 1.0 scaling is ok for qvga on that size Mar 21 01:04:19 but the fonts are _very_ tiny Mar 21 01:04:21 dont fiddle with SCALE Mar 21 01:04:25 base font size needs to be enlarged in the theme IMO Mar 21 01:04:29 play with FINGER_SIZE Mar 21 01:04:33 k Mar 21 01:04:41 theres 2 different things here Mar 21 01:04:48 one is scaling of things to see/read Mar 21 01:04:56 imoh 1.0 is fine to read - on qvga @ 2.8" Mar 21 01:05:01 (of course others may disagree) Mar 21 01:05:10 lol Mar 21 01:05:12 its no different to your average magazine/newspaper Mar 21 01:05:16 BUT Mar 21 01:05:22 its too small to "hit buttons etc." Mar 21 01:05:30 thus.. ELM_FINGER_SIZE Mar 21 01:05:37 the default tho is 40 - which should be fine Mar 21 01:05:46 (well 4 * SCALE is the default unless u set it yourself) Mar 21 01:06:30 by default2 scale of 1.0 Mar 21 01:06:36 pixel for pixel it should look like: Mar 21 01:06:39 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary Mar 21 01:06:52 (thats with finger_Size of 0 tho for desktop uses) Mar 21 01:08:51 hm, what's that Messages app? :) Mar 21 01:09:33 g'night Mar 21 01:10:56 aah, ok Mar 21 01:11:01 now i'm using Liberation Bold Mar 21 01:11:07 b e a u t i f u l Mar 21 01:11:10 with 1.0 Mar 21 01:11:12 g'night Mar 21 01:11:21 night mickey Mar 21 01:11:24 nite! Mar 21 01:11:59 mickey|zzZZzz: n8 Mar 21 01:19:17 mickey|zzZZzz: sounds like a political agenda :) Mar 21 01:20:11 hmm, finding the right font is harder than finding a good name for your child ;-) Mar 21 01:22:21 i'm pretty agnostic on font myself Mar 21 01:22:26 as long as its clear and consistent Mar 21 01:22:38 but luckily... thats all config options! Mar 21 01:26:28 raster: so the raster font would be "Clear Consistent". hmm, now i'm beginning to understand why your ideas were somewhat unpopular in openmoko ;-) Mar 21 01:27:10 raster: but "Liberation Bold" still sounds sexier :) Mar 21 01:27:21 hehehehe Mar 21 01:27:39 i actually just want iit to work first Mar 21 01:27:48 and be "non - offensive" Mar 21 01:28:13 vera/dejavu (same font really) accomplishes that and is universal on pretty much every linux distro Mar 21 01:28:26 i'll waorry abotu fuckign with fonts with minute pixel difference.. later Mar 21 01:28:27 :) Mar 21 01:28:28 raster: makes one wonder what font andy uses ;-) Mar 21 01:28:40 worry about fucking... i mean Mar 21 01:28:56 lol Mar 21 01:29:12 raster: somehow evolution must be unhappy with your choices :) Mar 21 01:30:17 :-P Mar 21 01:32:07 hehe! Mar 21 01:33:03 I haven't heard from Andy lately; did he get stuck at the airport in .tw? Mar 21 01:51:32 raster: well, it's building with the symlink at least, I still have no idea where that's coming from Mar 21 01:59:19 rasterize it! Mar 21 02:03:09 mwester: he's no longer with openmoko Mar 21 02:03:43 now, let's see if i can make it through dinner despite the jet-lag ... Mar 21 02:04:32 raster: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/20/htc-2009-lineup-gets-specd-in-detail Mar 21 02:07:24 * mwester picks himself up off his chair Mar 21 02:08:41 wpwrak: (when you're done with dinner) -- are you the kernel dude then? Mar 21 02:21:57 PaulFertser: So what's this new bluez stuff, I've been keeping up with building bluez releases but I haven't tried a headset recently Mar 21 02:25:52 wat Mar 21 02:26:15 andy too? that was quite a downsizing Mar 21 02:27:19 :O? Mar 21 02:32:17 vininim: there was a downsizing? Who else has moved on? Mar 21 02:34:33 well, I only know of raster, joerg and andy so far Mar 21 02:37:47 vininim: was there email about that? Mar 21 02:38:21 blame wpwrak! x_x Mar 21 02:54:56 vininim: ? Mar 21 02:55:19 vininim: i would like to get reliable source Mar 21 02:55:23 blame werner? what for? Mar 21 02:55:40 in a car with gprs on my way to lapland Mar 21 02:56:15 (it is 5am here) Mar 21 02:56:51 hmm, 4am here Mar 21 02:57:11 DocScrutinizer: rumours of andy not working at openmoko anymore Mar 21 02:57:38 man Mar 21 02:57:41 so much drama going on Mar 21 02:57:43 see werners answer up in this # Mar 21 02:58:41 [03:03] mwester: he's no longer with openmoko Mar 21 02:59:12 yeah that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 21 02:59:57 2009