**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 21 02:59:57 2009 Mar 21 03:00:07 lindi-: it's reliable Mar 21 03:05:02 DocScrutinizer: ehat a shame Mar 21 03:05:27 but i understand if thry run out of money Mar 21 03:05:34 lindi-: lapland?? I hope for pleasure, not business -- neat trip. Mar 21 03:05:48 so Mar 21 03:05:53 is openmoko donefor? :D Mar 21 03:07:37 lindi-: that's what I assume as well to be reason of recent layoffs Mar 21 03:13:23 Oh, don't all be so pessimistic. It could just be that Andy ticked off one of the managers once too often. Mar 21 03:13:42 nah Mar 21 03:13:59 There are other reasons people leave besides companies "run out of money"... Mar 21 03:14:40 conspiracy? :D Mar 21 03:15:01 * mwester thinks openmoko is notable for letting experienced people go Mar 21 03:15:12 mmhmmm Mar 21 03:15:52 actually not all were that experienced Mar 21 03:15:56 * Dave pictures Sean like the Nazi guy in the end of The Last Crusade... "You have chose UNwisely..." (and then his face melts off) Mar 21 03:29:08 is openmoko broke? The finance crisis at work? Mar 21 03:30:10 hahaha Mar 21 03:30:14 dubious Mar 21 03:30:22 marketfaaaaaaaaaaaaall /o\ Mar 21 03:32:24 lindi-: you letter is on it's way Mar 21 03:33:42 no reason to panic *g* when it also hits us admins we will rather ask you all guys for money to keep the servers running than just scatter crying ;) Mar 21 03:35:12 heh Mar 21 03:35:37 Hi roh! Good to see you're still around. Mar 21 03:35:52 roh: seems central services isn't endangered yet Mar 21 03:36:42 DocScrutinizer well.. we dunno anything as usual ;) so i can just assume so Mar 21 03:36:53 yup Mar 21 03:37:01 true words Mar 21 03:37:09 but we also get rumors.. well.. duh... wouldnt be openmoko without. Mar 21 03:37:54 still remember the day harald left... a day with everbody just sitting there staring and discussing... lots of phonecalls Mar 21 03:39:07 crisis is a bad word.. it just means 'opportunity' .. if it was a crisis you know after you decided and things happened and you look at sth. in retrospective. Mar 21 03:41:16 hmmm Mar 21 03:41:57 Roh is right. The only reason the current US economy is in crisis is because the country's leadership has been saying it's a crisis for months. If people wouldn't be so defeatist about it, they would see that the current financial stuff is an opportunity for the rigth companies. (Although I don't know how Openmoko could capitalize on that situation, but that's probably why I'm a field tech guy, and not an executive) Mar 21 03:41:59 * DocScrutinizer won't comment that Mar 21 03:42:25 i just mean.. panicing never helped and that day was basically wasted.. nothing said on that day them really mattered anyways in the end. what mattered was what one did from there (as always) Mar 21 03:44:00 mwester well.. that and that us economy was built on living of lent money. over here thats not _that_ massively true. Mar 21 03:44:51 mwester people take up credits to buy cars or houses, true, but you usually cannot even pay in the supermarket with a creditcard. Mar 21 03:45:28 not credit matters, what you can really can spend does, atleast for the most. Mar 21 03:47:04 i guess its just much more difficult if all levels of daily living depend on having credit somewhere. Mar 21 03:47:09 Yep. I have to try hard to not grow angry -- I have been financially prudent, lived without furniture for years and drive my cars till they fall apart -- and because I took care, now I get to pay the mortgage payments for other people's poor credt decision. Mar 21 03:47:24 *g* Mar 21 03:48:08 there are left-wing people demonstrating here in berlin from time to time... now i have seen a tagline recently which was 'we do not pay for your crisis' Mar 21 03:48:47 I agree with them. Why should any country pay for our government's stupidity? Mar 21 03:49:06 mwester: i'm in that boat, as well. Mar 21 03:49:08 How will they learn if everyone just "makes it better" Mar 21 03:49:11 ? Mar 21 03:49:47 and quite unhappy about it, too. there are no jobs here, and tens of thousands of IT workers no longer working the walmart circles. Mar 21 03:49:58 Its damned hard to make ends meet. Mar 21 03:50:01 i would also like to.. the problem is that without banks you have even more, not less problems. and one can use that opportunity (there it is again) to not only pay money into a bank, but then also use that 'investment' of the state to use the controlling one can do then. Mar 21 03:50:27 i mean.. if you buy a company and have enough shares you have some or even controlling interrest ;) Mar 21 03:52:03 * mwester needs his own island, so he can create his own country... that way at least when it falls apart, its his own fault. Mar 21 03:52:15 kinda funny... in 1989/90 when the wall fell and east- and west-germany reunited some people thought 'state owned companies/banks' wou�ld be over for good.. now its some kind of 'un-privatisation' again.. funny to see Mar 21 03:53:22 heh - a bumper sticker I saw said it this way: in good times, everyone is a capitalist -- in bad times, everyone is a socialist. A bit extreme, but I take the point. Mar 21 03:53:35 still waiting for german railways or the tcom needing a bailout Mar 21 03:55:34 Well, I'm not opposed to bailouts (I'm not an extremist in that way). But I work with the auto companies here, and the suppliers, and I know that there's no bailout that's going to work - they are dead. They were failed companies a decade ago, they're just so big the brain doesn't know it died yet. In a world economy, they were all wrong, and the bailout money is just wasted. We should have spent it on trains, or something useufl. Mar 21 03:56:27 Or they could have given it to me! :-D Mar 21 03:56:55 (At least I could account for where it would have gone!) Mar 21 03:59:48 bailouts only help if the reason for needing one gets fixed. Mar 21 04:00:11 don't see that in the car industry.. regardless if gm, crystler, opel, or whoelse Mar 21 04:02:04 That's exactly right. So why can't our politicians understand that? Grr! Mar 21 04:12:47 Dave: htc phones... all windows mobile... so all would need reverse-engineering Mar 21 04:14:58 vininim: i wasnt involved in any recent "downsizing" - i left last august all on my own :) Mar 21 04:16:46 raster: big picture =P Mar 21 04:25:07 aaah Mar 21 04:25:08 :) Mar 21 05:27:50 mwester: there you asked a question that puzzles myself as well :) at least it will so for a bit Mar 21 06:15:08 larsc: i just hit a bug where xorg responds to everything very slowly (it has been reported against xglamo befora) have you seen rhis Mar 21 07:24:54 does elementary have a horizontal slider? i want to make a widget to control the backlight brightness Mar 21 07:32:09 Blu3, that'd be sweet Mar 21 07:32:11 Hey Sargun Mar 21 07:38:19 Dave, Blu3 already implemented ;-) Mar 21 07:38:58 in my vala=settings app Mar 21 07:39:15 will port to shr-settings soon Mar 21 07:43:52 uplosded to scap.linuxtogo.org Mar 21 07:44:11 hor slider in acton and working Mar 21 07:48:30 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/03f5f71b0ddd1968bd4c3b70967ffeec.png Mar 21 07:49:25 is that efl? Mar 21 07:49:46 yep, elementary Mar 21 07:49:59 Dave, I nuked my FR Mar 21 07:50:00 temporarily Mar 21 07:50:14 not very polished layout yet, admittedly Mar 21 07:50:16 cool spaetz Mar 21 07:51:09 can someone explain the right way to start illume, including the configuration and plugin? Mar 21 07:52:09 and the best is, app startup and reaction time can be measured in sub-seconds and not wallclock time as in shr-settings Mar 21 07:56:38 damn Mar 21 07:56:49 sargun, chernobylrunner? Mar 21 07:57:00 I wonder if nukerunner would have sold better... Mar 21 07:58:58 dagger, ha Mar 21 07:59:12 johnsu01: ping Mar 21 08:00:05 hmm Mar 21 08:25:25 Looks like i banned to sent to smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org, wtf? :( Mar 21 08:30:49 'thats used by the syscall system, thats used by the syscall system.. that needs to catch fire and die.' Mar 21 08:31:37 juri_: looking for sympathy? ;) Mar 21 08:32:09 paul: comiserating. ;) Mar 21 08:34:19 * PaulFertser hugs juri_. Carefully. Mar 21 08:41:53 To be honest, I'm kindof on the outs with the mainline kernel developers, for being more free software than RMS, and working on a project thats been outcast, and many of them don't like. Could be worse. ;) Mar 21 09:16:29 PaulFertser: sorry... still busy with harddisk transition :( Mar 21 09:17:39 mrmoku: I understand, you gotta do it carefully :) Mar 21 09:18:07 hehe... was feeling adventureous instead... and installed Fedora 11 Alpha :P Mar 21 09:18:15 -e Mar 21 09:18:39 mrmoku: Ainu will spank you ;) Mar 21 09:18:43 it just takes soooo long... to backup and restore all that stuff Mar 21 09:18:49 PaulFertser: yeah... might be Mar 21 09:19:21 * mrmoku could think about a gentoo partition to satisfy Ainulindale ;) Mar 21 09:20:12 mrmoku: looks like i'll be finally forced to clean some mess on my HD and install OE sooner or later. Mar 21 09:20:53 PaulFertser: well... it has its problems... but very strong sides also Mar 21 09:42:27 mickey|zzZZzz: Hey :) whom should i contact to ask why my mails didn't reach smartphones-userland (headers from [Gmail]/Sent folder: http://pastebin.com/m36056537 )? Mar 21 09:42:46 Looks like they were silently dropped... Mar 21 10:20:21 mrmoku: se http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/03f5f71b0ddd1968bd4c3b70967ffeec.png? Mar 21 10:21:40 requoting myself: and the best is, app startup and reaction time can be measured in sub-seconds and not wallclock time Mar 21 10:21:49 and the best is, app startup and reaction time can be measured in sub-seconds and not wallclock time Mar 21 10:33:04 spaetz: :-) Mar 21 10:33:17 spaetz: convince dos1 to join :D Mar 21 10:34:08 spaetz: btw... if I understood the long backlog from last night right... raster fixed the ecore-fb problem Mar 21 11:00:14 PaulFertser: i can't see you in the subscription members Mar 21 11:01:16 mickey|zzZZzz: do you think it's a valid reason to silently drop mails from me? Mar 21 11:01:51 mickey|zzZZzz: (not intended to sound harsh) Mar 21 11:02:25 mickey|zzZZzz: but really, i guess that's a commonly accepted idea that anybody can write to any list, and subscription is not strictly necessary for that. Mar 21 11:02:59 mickey|zzZZzz: i can get list messages by other means and the replies to my mail will reach me via To: and Cc: anyway. Mar 21 11:03:50 i don't know about what's commonly accepted Mar 21 11:04:06 i only know we had to close all linuxtogo lists for subscription since we didn't manage to keep the spam under control otherwise Mar 21 11:04:09 mickey|zzZZzz: not that my mail was important or even worth reading, but anyway, that's just a bit unpleasant to have one's mail dropped. Mar 21 11:04:25 ya, sorry, but it's the general way the linuxtogo lists work Mar 21 11:04:35 if we could hire a full day sysadmin... Mar 21 11:04:40 ... things could be different ;) Mar 21 11:04:53 mickey|zzZZzz: not even you can accept mail from SPF-trusted hosts (like gmail smpt server)? Not even after greylisting? Mar 21 11:05:16 sure i can do all kind of things if i want, but my admin time is extremely limited Mar 21 11:05:21 i can whitelist you Mar 21 11:05:26 if you want Mar 21 11:05:31 but you might as well just subscribe Mar 21 11:05:33 fso is da future ;) Mar 21 11:05:43 mickey|zzZZzz: moreover, even OM official lists send a mail back about "your message is awaiting moderation", and that's more clear. Mar 21 11:05:52 mickey|zzZZzz: no, i'll subscribe, no problems. Mar 21 11:06:04 thanks. i agree silently dropping is not the best way to handle it Mar 21 11:06:12 eventually i'm going to move the lists over to fso itself Mar 21 11:06:17 then i will change this, promised Mar 21 11:06:30 mickey|zzZZzz: thanks a lot :) Mar 21 11:06:32 np Mar 21 11:06:39 * mickey|zzZZzz hears wifey coming with the bread Mar 21 11:06:41 breakfast! Mar 21 11:06:43 l8er Mar 21 11:06:44 mickey|zzZZzz: is compatibility with python2.5 for fso a must? Mar 21 11:06:49 not for me Mar 21 11:06:54 i'm open to what people need there Mar 21 11:07:02 Ok, enjoy your breakfast :) Mar 21 11:07:04 thanks Mar 21 11:07:05 Thanks again. Mar 21 11:45:00 morning Mar 21 11:48:23 Ainulindale: ping Mar 21 12:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07framework * r4ef7e0717e87 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py: ophoned: Retain compatibility with Python 2.5 Mar 21 12:23:25 mrmoku: hello Mar 21 12:23:39 mrmoku: I come back to you as you seem to master git Mar 21 12:24:08 mrmoku: I opened a branch as you told me yesterday and this worked perfectly. Mar 21 12:24:38 Git fu lesson! Mar 21 12:24:55 I was wondering whether it is possible to make multiple disjoint branch (that modifies disjoint sets of files) Mar 21 12:25:27 Then merge the branches but still be able to insert commits on the individual branches ? Mar 21 12:25:40 PaulFertser: hello! how are you ? Mar 21 12:26:15 ptitjes: why not, you just branch from some point and work there. Then you can merge one branch to the other. Still the branch you merge from is accessible, you can continue to work on it. Mar 21 12:26:34 is there a place where the elm layout mechanism is explained well? Mar 21 12:26:59 ptitjes: Hey :) i'm ok. Read some details about closures in libffi yesterday, but was distracted, so i don't know the implementation details yet. Sounds like fun. Mar 21 12:27:10 PaulFertser: so if I continue to work on a branch, will the merged branch automatically update ? Mar 21 12:27:29 ptitjes: but as i told you the first time we talked about it, it's not portable and basically a hack ;) Just a very developed hack ported to many archs ;) Mar 21 12:27:31 PaulFertser: yeah a bit like a black art! :) Mar 21 12:28:10 PaulFertser: yeah but what is not a very developed hack ported to many archs ?? ;) Mar 21 12:28:22 linux is indeed! :D Mar 21 12:28:37 ptitjes: no, the branch you merge _to_ is either fast-tracked (starts to include commits from the branch you merge from, it's only possible if the branch you merge from is based on the current HEAD of the branch you merge to) Mar 21 12:29:16 ptitjes: or a special merge commit is added to the branch you merge _to_. That's all. Mar 21 12:30:15 PaulFertser: so say I have 3 branches gir-writing, gir-parsing and experimental Mar 21 12:31:06 I can merge them to a fourth, say 'ptitjes', based on HEAD that merges the three other branches Mar 21 12:31:46 then I can regularly merge the commits from those three branch and master to 'ptitjes' ? Mar 21 12:32:06 s/HEAD/master/ Mar 21 12:32:55 but I have to it manually by cherry-picking Mar 21 12:34:34 ptitjes: sorry, i reread your description several times, but couldn't understand it :) Mar 21 12:34:45 PaulFertser: np :) Mar 21 12:35:00 PaulFertser: in fact what I want is to maintain multiple disjoint branches Mar 21 12:35:27 and be able to make releases (throught bb) that merges origin/master and my three branches Mar 21 12:36:03 PaulFertser: there is surely one simple way to automate this, isn't ? Mar 21 12:36:08 +it Mar 21 12:37:36 Or maybe I should cook a script that format-patch the commits of the three branch and apply all on sources checked-out from master Mar 21 12:38:16 ptitjes: there is stgit that greatly simplifies work with patch series. Mar 21 12:45:15 ptitjes: for a short-term solution you can also use a "release-currentdate" branch that you can create every time to do a release and merge your topic branches to that. That way you'll have all your previous releases in history, but it's still not elegant. I guess you need to wait for an advice of a more experienced git user. Mar 21 12:45:54 PaulFertser: is a very good tool Mar 21 12:46:00 +stgit Mar 21 12:46:23 PaulFertser: git is hell too complicated for me :) Mar 21 12:46:24 ptitjes: so the ideal solution depends much on your workflow and on compromises. Mar 21 12:46:46 I would like to reorder my commits through drag-and-drop ;) Mar 21 12:47:44 ptitjes: for that you can easily format-patch all your commits, reset, apply the way you like. Not that hard with plain git. Mar 21 12:47:56 PaulFertser: anyway I think stgit is what I need, I must study their tutorial Mar 21 12:48:25 ptitjes: but it's always a compromise. Rewriting history is easy but not useful in the long term. With patch series you constantly rewrite the history if i understand it correctly. Mar 21 12:48:46 PaulFertser: but you know everytime you think "if I make a mistake here, I'll have to redo everything..." Mar 21 12:49:03 (or better put, your history doesn't really exist in the first place) Mar 21 12:50:22 PaulFertser: in fact I exactly am in the "waiting for upstream" scenario described on stgit man page Mar 21 12:50:30 ptitjes: always a compromise. In some situations it's better to rewrite history (reorder or change patches, rebase etc). For others it will do more harm than good... You need to talk to developers about that. Mar 21 12:50:33 where can I find the dbus commands to control bluetotth (power on/off) - found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Org_bluez._org_bluez Mar 21 12:50:43 but it doesnt seem to be what I want Mar 21 12:50:49 PaulFertser: those branch are on a clone waiting to be merge to upstream Mar 21 12:52:16 PaulFertser: I think I better see how to proceed. Thank you! Mar 21 12:54:20 billk: don't forget you have to first use the fso Usage service to enable the device Mar 21 12:56:10 Thats probably what I cant find at the moment - will keep looking - want to script bluetooth on, connect, play audio to headset and shutdown nicely Mar 21 13:01:47 billk: turning on/off bluetooth is easy. Use odeviced. Mar 21 13:02:08 tkx Mar 21 13:15:28 Ainulindale: what do you think of cven's comment ? http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON%2709#Proposedlocations Mar 21 13:25:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rdd3f47b4bc5a 10/.gitignore: .gitignore++ Mar 21 13:28:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r581313bab21d 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:28:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * rffbfc134134f 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:29:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * re2c1f4df193c 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:30:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r3c2f52631d6a 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:32:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r513184582894 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:33:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rd8d16d3344ef 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:34:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r2c775e0b1ae6 10/.gitignore: add *.o Mar 21 13:34:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r355d40cf3e6a 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:35:19 whoa there :-D Mar 21 13:35:27 mickey having a shot :-D Mar 21 13:36:13 hmm creating .gitignore is not that much work - but yes when mickey is @ his sofa he is productive Mar 21 13:36:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r6156550b00d0 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:36:38 hi everybody, does anybody know how to disable building of 'qemu'? It fails during building shr-testing. Mar 21 13:36:53 :) Mar 21 13:36:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r831b1b0bc027 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:37:03 a very productive sofa Mar 21 13:37:13 helps me to think about me, my life, and my role in the universe... Mar 21 13:37:22 let Mar 21 13:37:31 's hope it does not break Mar 21 13:38:21 hmm how can one search for qi @ docs.openmoko.org Mar 21 13:38:31 when a seach has to be 3 chars long Mar 21 13:39:05 bumbl: use lindi-'s search ;) Mar 21 13:39:15 bumbl: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py Mar 21 13:40:53 hmm Mar 21 13:40:58 have to investigate later Mar 21 13:41:09 * bumbl still has problems with qi + lcm Mar 21 13:42:20 bumbl: with the latest Qi and kernel? Mar 21 13:42:29 mickey|sofa: hello! Mar 21 13:43:06 yo ptitjes Mar 21 13:43:27 with various qi versions over the last months Mar 21 13:43:38 mickey|sofa: does your sofa tells you whether it would be difficult to make a bb recipe for fso's Vala git clone, that would take the patch from multiple branches ? Mar 21 13:43:49 + various kernels (fso ms 5/5.1 kernel, shr kernel,....) Mar 21 13:44:45 ptitjes: i think that would be difficult, ya Mar 21 13:44:50 bumbl: shr kernel is the same old kernel ms5 uses. I hope mrmoku will help us to test the new kernel really soon. ;) Mar 21 13:45:00 we could have a branch that accumulates the feature-branches though Mar 21 13:45:11 i'm not enough of a git expert to know how to do that streamlined though Mar 21 13:45:54 mickey|sofa: ok Mar 21 13:47:07 mickey|sofa: I did quite redo all my gir writing work on the gir-support branch :) Info here : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568951#c14 Mar 21 13:47:17 hmm testing with andy kernel Mar 21 13:47:34 ptitjes: oh, cool. can you -- in a nutshell -- explain me what this bring us? Mar 21 13:48:22 mickey|sofa: now making valac --library stuff-1.0 generate a g-i compilable GIR file along to the generated vapi Mar 21 13:49:44 mickey|sofa: that gir file may be compiled through g-ir-compiler to get a stuff-1.0.typelib Mar 21 13:50:25 mickey|sofa: that typelib file is binary file that is usable throught GIRepository api. from it you can obtain type information dynamically Mar 21 13:51:42 mickey|sofa: I use that in libmodulo (ophonekitd components container) to get the available components and retrieve the custom [Modulo (...)] annotations that dictates how the container must handle them Mar 21 13:52:18 hmm, cool Mar 21 13:53:36 mickey|sofa: in fact in the end, valac will also generate the vapis based on GIR files. but I have to redo my work on valac gir-parsing. this is why I wanted to make a second branch as the changes occurs on disjoint files Mar 21 13:54:52 mickey|sofa: I also have that patch that I would be glad could be applied on fso's Vala git clone : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=128773&action=diff Mar 21 13:55:07 mickey|sofa: this one enables things like that : Mar 21 13:58:02 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libmodulo.git;a=blob;f=src/modulo-factories.vala;hb=HEAD#l105 Mar 21 13:58:55 i.e. GLib.Object o = dbus_connection.get_object_from_type(bus_name, object_path, interface_name, type); Mar 21 13:59:21 nice stuff Mar 21 13:59:23 mickey|sofa: where type is a GType and o is a static dbus proxy Mar 21 13:59:35 feel free to commit that Mar 21 13:59:35 and not dynamic Mar 21 13:59:39 cool Mar 21 13:59:52 since you seem to be an expert here... what would it take to get proper error reporting? Mar 21 13:59:56 [dbus, that is] Mar 21 14:00:05 this is one of the two things holding my work on FSO 2 back atm. Mar 21 14:00:15 I must study that more closely Mar 21 14:00:35 k Mar 21 14:01:05 but it seems to me that the dbus error already encapsulate the remote error quarck Mar 21 14:01:09 quark Mar 21 14:01:25 mickey|sofa: so this should not be so much work Mar 21 14:01:37 sounds good Mar 21 14:03:35 mickey|sofa: my other will concerning dbus would be that we are able to define this method to return a http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libfso-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/freesmartphone.vala;hb=HEAD#l13 and that the generated static dbus proxy would transparently return a new proxy to that object path Mar 21 14:04:04 thus one could do in Vala : Mar 21 14:04:42 phone.incoming += incoming_handler; Mar 21 14:04:55 with incoming_handler having such signature: Mar 21 14:05:08 public void incoming_handler(PhoneCall call) Mar 21 14:05:37 that would be super easy to make great apps with libmodulo Mar 21 14:05:49 oh yeah Mar 21 14:05:51 exciting stuff Mar 21 14:05:58 what's Jürg take on all that? Mar 21 14:06:07 * ptitjes goes walking with the dog Mar 21 14:06:14 mickey|sofa: he wants it :) Mar 21 14:06:46 good Mar 21 14:06:48 have fun Mar 21 14:07:01 mickey|sofa: but yet he is hard-working on his header rework for three weeks now, and I had no chance to make him commit my patches :( Mar 21 14:07:12 yah, he seems pretty unresponsive these days Mar 21 14:07:14 grrr Mar 21 14:07:19 i can imagine tihs header rework being tough Mar 21 14:07:19 :) Mar 21 14:07:23 c u Mar 21 14:07:24 cu Mar 21 14:08:41 Ainulindale: could we host an Openmoko community kernel mirroring andy-tracking at shr-project or would you find that out of the place? Mar 21 14:09:01 then again Mar 21 14:09:05 scratch that Mar 21 14:09:11 I'll try @ openezx Mar 21 14:09:17 might be more related Mar 21 14:17:42 hi all! Mar 21 14:17:52 Hi Mickey :) Mar 21 14:18:08 does shr or current openmoko-experimentall/paroli suports opimd? Mar 21 14:18:34 yo dave Mar 21 14:18:44 nothing is using opimd yet Mar 21 14:19:05 that bad Mar 21 14:19:16 users need pim =) Mar 21 14:19:49 yeah yeah Mar 21 14:21:05 its the last stopping factor for me to migrate from om2008.x to newer stacks Mar 21 14:22:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0c713cc705ea 10/examples/library/ (Makefile.am mainloops.vala): start with mainloops weaving example Mar 21 14:29:09 michael-w: no problem Mar 21 14:31:15 damn, too late Mar 21 14:36:28 ptitjes: sorry... was quite offline Mar 21 14:36:55 kernel devs do exactly what you want to do me thinks Mar 21 14:37:17 automatically merge topic branches into one 'to-test' branch Mar 21 14:39:59 will try to find some pointers until your dog brings you back ;) Mar 21 14:40:53 Ainulindale: mickey|zzZZzz is still around Mar 21 14:43:30 Well he saw my answer anyway Mar 21 14:43:45 Ainulindale: was just trying to help ... Mar 21 14:48:30 mrmoku: héhé Mar 21 14:48:56 he wanted to stay outside but still... I succeeded to rejoin my laptop Mar 21 14:50:04 Ainulindale: ping Mar 21 14:50:34 mirko-paroli: I know Mar 21 14:50:39 ptitjes: I have to go now Mar 21 14:50:49 ha! ok Mar 21 14:50:51 Listened to your message, I'm busy this afternoon :-/ Mar 21 14:50:52 ptitjes: :-) Mar 21 14:51:06 ha ok Mar 21 14:51:11 Ainulindale: just one thing Mar 21 14:51:25 did you see cven comment on the FSOSHR... wiki page ? Mar 21 14:54:28 about WCW? Mar 21 14:54:35 mrmokuyeah Mar 21 14:54:38 sorry Mar 21 14:54:41 ok then yes I saw Mar 21 14:54:41 Ainulindale: yeah Mar 21 14:54:44 we will talk about it later then Mar 21 14:54:52 oki Mar 21 14:54:54 ptitjes: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#maintaining-topic-branches Mar 21 14:55:00 might describe what you want Mar 21 15:04:25 mrmoku: yeah!!! $ git checkout test && git pull . speed-up-spinlocks Mar 21 15:13:20 mrmoku: thank you! good pick! this documentation I should have read before :) Mar 21 15:15:47 ptitjes: :-) Mar 21 15:17:01 another interesting reading is http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ Mar 21 15:24:07 Yep! Mar 21 15:24:22 Though I'd hardly say it is indeed magical :p Mar 21 15:25:51 well... git is magical compared to other crappy vcs ;) Mar 21 15:28:28 PaulFertser: btw... my adventure finished by reinstalling... with F10 :P Mar 21 15:29:02 ooh Mar 21 15:29:15 mrmoku: May I suggest VMware for your next -alpha or -beta experiment? ;-) Mar 21 15:29:30 hah! Mar 21 15:29:49 mwester: that was my plan... but then I wanted to give btrfs a try... and could not resist :-) Mar 21 15:30:20 but yeah... installing the F11 alpha as kvm host will be one of the first things to do on the road to fill up the new disk Mar 21 16:03:10 mrmoku, would you please look why fbreader has got the patches whichc make it work well on openmoko reverted on SHR feeds? Mar 21 16:11:38 Sharwin_F: there is still 0001-fbreader-make-it-usable-on-openmoko.patch Mar 21 16:11:46 in shr-unstable if you mean that Mar 21 16:13:31 spaetz, but the package installed now from the repos is the same one as the one which got installed before I told mrmoku to add the patch Mar 21 16:13:46 so it looks like it has been reverted in some way... Mar 21 16:21:47 morning Mar 21 16:21:47 actually, i don't see any fbreader package in the unstable repo Mar 21 16:22:01 just a -doc pkg fron jan 29 Mar 21 16:22:54 $ opkg list | grep fbreader Mar 21 16:22:55 fbreader - 0.8.2a-r5 - FBreader is an ebook reader Mar 21 16:22:55 fbreader-dbg - 0.8.2a-r5 - FBreader is an ebook reader Mar 21 16:22:55 fbreader-dev - 0.8.2a-r5 - FBreader is an ebook reader Mar 21 16:23:13 I'm using shr-unstable Mar 21 16:23:21 but not from here http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ Mar 21 16:23:30 DocScrutinizer: weird time for morning you choosed :) But hey, morning :) Mar 21 16:23:34 there is fbreader-doc and fbreader-dbg Mar 21 16:23:47 but no fbreader Mar 21 16:24:39 spaetz, where does it come from then? :O Mar 21 16:24:41 PaulFertser: sunset is near. time to leave my coffin Mar 21 16:25:21 there should be there, mrmoku put fbreader in some time ago Mar 21 16:30:57 hehehe Mar 21 16:31:00 The bats arise! Mar 21 16:32:01 spaetz: somehow fbreader is arch dependent... and thus in om-gta02 Mar 21 16:32:10 Dave: yours are mad doing their army nonsense this time of day. I told them they don't need anymore, but still.... Mar 21 16:32:18 Sharwin_F: sorry... reinstalled my system, so I'm not yet fully functional Mar 21 16:32:23 :] Mar 21 16:32:33 Train them well for me, won't you Joerg ;) Mar 21 16:33:26 mrmoku, ok, you're welcome :) Mar 21 16:34:16 Dave: I'm not sure but I tought you treaten them bad so they came to me. Don't think they will go back to do these nasty attacks for you Mar 21 16:35:28 oh well, too bad Mar 21 16:35:36 They're probably better off with you Mar 21 16:35:52 good day gents... I was wondering where I could find a dbus-dev package for FSO? Mar 21 16:36:37 Sharwin_F: can confirm though that the patch is not applied... :( Mar 21 16:38:40 ok ^^ Mar 21 16:48:40 mrmoku: weird that -doc and -dbg end up in armv4t Mar 21 16:49:05 spaetz: yeah, quite confusing... Mar 21 16:56:12 they should be all right? Mar 21 16:56:25 not -dbg Mar 21 17:06:12 completely OT question... what do people use as filemanager nowadays? Mar 21 17:06:31 on the desktop? Mar 21 17:06:32 for pc or freerunner? Mar 21 17:06:34 dolphin Mar 21 17:06:36 bumble :p Mar 21 17:06:39 desktop... Mar 21 17:06:45 ah ;p Mar 21 17:06:54 bumbl: yeah... was using dolphin for quite some time now... Mar 21 17:07:00 sometimes its too slow though Mar 21 17:09:43 bumbl: is there a way to get keyboard usable bookmarks? Mar 21 17:09:49 (in dolphin) Mar 21 17:10:17 dolphin and slow? Mar 21 17:10:26 are we talking of the same dolphin? Mar 21 17:10:50 I know it's mostly fast... but opening a folder with *lots* of files sucks Mar 21 17:11:53 * mrmoku is going to eat one of Dave's sandwiches before deciding on the filemanager issue :) Mar 21 17:12:02 i don't know of a way how to shortcut bookmarks Mar 21 17:12:23 mrmoku: which of my passwords have you sold? Mar 21 17:12:30 :) Mar 21 18:08:52 mrmoku: i'd include the latest patch wrt Glamo resume by Nicolas too. Mar 21 18:09:08 mrmoku: he just posted it. Mar 21 18:26:55 Is there fixed problem with segfaulting of e17 while using x11_16? Mar 21 18:39:13 bumbl: all of them... what did you think? got a good price for the complete pack.. right Dave? Mar 21 18:39:37 PaulFertser: ok. I'm almost at the point to be able to build again :P Mar 21 18:40:17 mrmoku: do you need a link to the letter or something? Mar 21 18:40:30 which list? om-devel? Mar 21 18:42:04 mrmoku: no, om-kernel Mar 21 18:42:37 mrmoku: well now that you have sandwitches bake us a new image Mar 21 18:42:40 ahh... ok reading that also... will get it when mails drop in again :--) Mar 21 18:42:41 ;) Mar 21 18:43:42