**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 24 02:59:57 2009 Mar 24 04:14:11 whats the way to fic this - has been a few days now: Mar 24 04:14:16 From git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded Mar 24 04:14:17 d8de385..bff3555 fso/milestone5.5 -> origin/fso/milestone5.5 Mar 24 04:14:17 e2b99b7..9bb0079 org.openembedded.dev -> origin/org.openembedded.dev Mar 24 04:14:17 error: Entry 'packages/dbus/dbus.inc' not uptodate. Cannot merge. Mar 24 04:14:17 fatal: merging of trees 9fecdea7b336e977206bbdb6a0cb5e37ec05f9f7 and 8e87f6a65cec4c516d236c8d106bce79f4713f44 failed Mar 24 04:14:18 Merge with strategy recursive failed. Mar 24 04:14:20 make[1]: *** [update-openembedded] Error 2 Mar 24 04:14:28 s/fic/fix/ Mar 24 04:16:34 git reset --hard Mar 24 05:05:08 mwester: tah Mar 24 05:06:56 any shr people here? Mar 24 05:18:37 yes, but asleep :) Mar 24 05:19:56 Dave: do you know who builds the shr kernel images that are on the website? I'd like to know what config is used, etc, etc Mar 24 05:20:43 Dave: i'm getting drastically different behavior from a kernel image I grabbed from the site, and one I built myself, even though the revisions are supposedly the same Mar 24 05:25:55 that could be .config Mar 24 05:25:56 There are several you could confer with here who may be of assistance. Mar 24 05:26:09 I'm pretty sure a bunch of people build them Mar 24 05:26:19 and the least fucked up one makes it to the public :P Mar 24 05:26:58 ok. i'll ask in a few hours. at a more reasonable time in europe :) Mar 24 05:27:37 yea :P Mar 24 05:48:18 bah, reasonable time Mar 24 06:01:17 init.d privkey.pem Mar 24 06:01:17 ipkg.conf profile Mar 24 06:01:17 kaid protocols Mar 24 06:01:17 key.pem resolv.conf Mar 24 06:39:28 http://rafb.net/p/zCGEq017.html Mar 24 06:41:20 budfive5: I can say how you can get the config and patches. Mar 24 06:42:29 budfive5: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.28_git.bb&h=fso/milestone5.5 Mar 24 07:02:13 :) Mar 24 07:34:12 * raster ho's along Mar 24 07:35:05 :D Mar 24 07:39:02 raster: you made my mail come through :-) Mar 24 07:39:23 and better yet... problem is fixed :D Mar 24 07:40:47 * mrmoku is moving to office... Mar 24 07:41:49 mrmoku: i didnt touch it Mar 24 07:42:01 sf.net somehow got their act into gear Mar 24 07:55:35 raster: hehe Mar 24 07:55:48 Ainulindale: ping Mar 24 07:56:25 good morning Mar 24 08:02:21 mrmoku: I think we could state the date to the 22/23/24 and make a final poll for the location Mar 24 08:02:29 mrmoku: what do you think ? Mar 24 08:06:43 mrmoku: could you look at the c-base website and make us an abstract about what it is and what facilities we could fin there ? Mar 24 08:07:04 mrmoku: I mean I don't understand German at all. And thier website is in German... :) Mar 24 08:08:12 22/23/24 is good Mar 24 08:08:21 location i am aassuming is berlin-way? Mar 24 08:08:27 or close enogh Mar 24 08:08:33 unless u want to move it to paris Mar 24 08:08:39 or geneva.... Mar 24 08:08:44 hehehe Mar 24 08:12:49 ptitjes: did anybody check if linuxhotel is available on that date? Mar 24 08:13:16 mrmoku: I did not Mar 24 08:13:22 ptitjes: regarding cbase... I looked at their page and did not understand it ;) Mar 24 08:13:30 mrmoku: héhé Mar 24 08:13:32 (understanding german though :P) Mar 24 08:13:41 mrmoku: I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base Mar 24 08:13:46 oooh oops Mar 24 08:13:47 wrong chan Mar 24 08:14:35 raster: wrong channel ? Mar 24 08:14:43 raster: hello BTW Mar 24 08:15:28 ptitjes: will recheck... later though... have to do some daywork Mar 24 08:15:43 ptitjes: boo! Mar 24 08:15:44 :) Mar 24 08:19:08 how are you ? Mar 24 08:20:24 morning Mar 24 08:21:34 mickey|zzZZzz: when you wake up I want to talk to you about libeflvala breakage due to usage of non-release functions in your examples :) Mar 24 08:34:51 mrmoku: so linuxhotel has nothing registered from the 19/05 to 24/05 for now Mar 24 08:35:34 :-) Mar 24 08:35:58 * mrmoku is moving to a clients site now :( Mar 24 08:36:03 cu later Mar 24 08:38:04 cu Mar 24 08:48:26 hello there. Mar 24 08:49:06 my shr-unstable isn't receiving sms since yesterday.. i sent a few tests to myself with another phone, doesn't work Mar 24 08:49:11 quite annoying... Mar 24 08:50:21 is there something i can do to debug it? Mar 24 08:55:15 ptitjes: not too bad. working on my stuff Mar 24 08:55:16 :) Mar 24 08:56:15 KaZeR: read ogsmd debug log? Mar 24 08:57:31 KaZeR: or at least look through the framworkd log for oddities. Mar 24 08:59:45 PaulFertser, i've made another test : i'm tailing frameworkd.log and sent another message, but nothing happens Mar 24 09:00:09 KaZeR: that's not nearly as good as i'm suggesting ;) Mar 24 09:00:17 PaulFertser, indeed :) Mar 24 09:00:23 give me a few minutes Mar 24 09:00:52 ogsmd debug is in fact /var/log/ophonekitd.log ? Mar 24 09:01:53 ptitjes, Ainulindale: What do you want me to propose? Mar 24 09:04:53 alphaone: you told us you could find facilities to host FSOSHR'09 Mar 24 09:05:25 mickey|aalborg: is the convention boring ? :) Mar 24 09:06:01 no, but some talks are in danish :) Mar 24 09:06:08 alphaone: so here are facts: Mar 24 09:06:10 arf Mar 24 09:06:27 alphaone: - seems to be pretty sure now it will be on the 22/23/24 of May Mar 24 09:07:03 alphaone: - linuxhotel is available on these dates (though we should quickly book them... if we choose this solution) Mar 24 09:08:00 alphaone: - WCW people seems to be ok to host us as part of the Wireless Comunity Weekend at c-base berlin (we should contact them quickly also if we choose that) Mar 24 09:08:23 alphaone: so my bet is that one of these solution is maybe simpler for everyone Mar 24 09:08:30 alphaone: what do you think ? Mar 24 09:09:17 ptitjes: Sure, less work for me :-) Mar 24 09:12:39 KaZeR: no Mar 24 09:12:55 alphaone: the problem for is that neither the linuxhotel nor c-base has its complete documentation in english Mar 24 09:12:59 KaZeR: i guess frameworkd debug log is routed to syslog by default. ogsmd is part of frameworkd. Mar 24 09:13:18 alphaone: http://www.linuxhotel.de/community.en.html states "This is only a partial translation of our offer ." Mar 24 09:14:06 alphaone: So in anyway I would need someone that can brief me what is in the DE page that is not in the english page that I should know before I mail them. Mar 24 09:15:19 alphaone: also do you have reasons to think it could be better in Brauschweig ? Mar 24 09:16:56 Nah, LinuxHotel would probably be pretty cool Mar 24 09:20:51 in case someone can help : http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f1958 my frameword.log Mar 24 09:20:54 alphaone: I think we go for that, as even if I would be glad to go to there, Berlin is maybe a little far for us Mar 24 09:21:25 Ainulindale: here ? Mar 24 09:21:44 i found nothing relevant yet. i'm looking for the ogpsd.log now Mar 24 09:23:22 KaZeR: ogsmd is part of fso, it uses the same logging infrastructure. Mar 24 09:24:50 KaZeR: when you receive an SMS, you should get an unsolicited "reply" from the gsm modem. There were some problems with "stuck" channels btw (when ogsmd parser was confused and no longer operated the channel) but i think they were fixed. Mar 24 09:29:41 thanks PaulFertser. i'm tailing the log and sent myself another message, but excepted capacity changes, i get nothing. Mar 24 09:30:13 damn i pasted the wrong link. apologies Mar 24 09:30:17 ptitjes: i thnik berlin itself would be better Mar 24 09:30:37 actually i'd vote for a place that has some good bars to be found at evenings to.. lubricate the discussion :) Mar 24 09:31:32 here is the right one : http://pastebin.com/m4622d3d1 Mar 24 09:32:32 PaulFertser, around line 180 of my paste, it seems to open the channels properly, no? Mar 24 09:34:09 raster: but maybe Essen is most central place for all the european Mar 24 09:34:39 ptitjes: sry to interupt again ;) Berlin is easier to reach etc Mar 24 09:34:41 raster: and I think we will make a detour by belgium to get some beers if this is what worry you :) Mar 24 09:34:43 ptitjes: dude... its 1700euros and 24+hrs on a plane just to get my bum to frankfurt Mar 24 09:34:54 after that... how really cares? Mar 24 09:34:56 :) Mar 24 09:35:08 raster: and for Berlin ? Mar 24 09:35:28 raster: anyway we will make a last poll these days about it Mar 24 09:35:40 raster: I'm currently modifying the wiki page for this Mar 24 09:36:25 ptitjes: well berlin seems nice as it 'has life" Mar 24 09:36:31 not sure what the linuxhotel means for that Mar 24 09:37:08 but as long as i can have minimal pain gettign to the city it's in from frankfurt Mar 24 09:37:13 (likely that means train) Mar 24 09:39:07 raster: we could arrange that (I mean get and drop you back in a city) Mar 24 09:39:45 thats always good Mar 24 09:50:58 KaZeR: your log looks good so far but ogsmd DEBUG is not enabled, so i can't say anything meaningful, sorry. Mar 24 09:57:02 ok guys!!! Mar 24 09:57:12 go for vote: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON%2709 Mar 24 09:57:43 ptitjes: Bird bird bird Mar 24 09:57:45 The bird is a word Mar 24 09:57:56 Ainulindale: ? Mar 24 09:58:10 (Surfin' bird is stuck into my head) Mar 24 09:58:21 errr Mar 24 09:58:22 ... Mar 24 09:58:35 non-functionnal brains (it is too early... :)) Mar 24 09:58:37 morning Mar 24 09:58:41 hello Mar 24 09:58:48 ptitjes: by the way, query Mar 24 09:58:48 Ainulindale: modified the wiki Mar 24 10:01:35 Ainulindale: Nicolas is comming Mar 24 10:01:38 raster: o/ Mar 24 10:01:41 ptitjes: good :-): Mar 24 10:01:45 Ainulindale: I think are good to make two cars: Mar 24 10:01:48 He'll help me with my russian Mar 24 10:01:56 ptitjes: we have to think about that Mar 24 10:02:07 Thalys are 50% off in may Mar 24 10:02:13 Onen, Deubeuliou, Nicolas, Marc au chapeau ? (I don't know where he lives), you and me Mar 24 10:02:22 ptitjes: he lives in Paris Mar 24 10:02:38 But he can't IIRc Mar 24 10:02:39 so this makes 6 in paris Mar 24 10:02:47 PaulFertser, ok, i'll try to enable it and post more debug. thanks for your help so far :) Mar 24 10:02:56 Ainulindale: oh he can only on saturday to sunday Mar 24 10:03:09 anyway I go Mar 24 10:03:10 bye Mar 24 10:39:24 great. now i can't even access my sms on sim, because the app crashes, and so i'm unable to send messages too Mar 24 10:42:32 budfive5: have you found the kernel sources and config? Mar 24 10:45:29 KaZeR: SHR unstable? Mar 24 10:46:25 PaulFertser: I found a config. Not sure it's the "right" one, but I'm testing it now. Trying to figure out why enlightnment eats up 15% cpu when illume is idle, instead of 0%. Only seems to happen when using Xglamo, and on some kernels Mar 24 10:46:49 PaulFertser: thanks for pointing me to that repo, by the way. I had no idea it existed. Mar 24 10:48:58 budfive5: you mean OE? It's the system used by FSO, SHR and OM images. The kernel config along with the patches is there. Mar 24 10:49:09 budfive5: btw, have you tried xorg glamo driver? Mar 24 10:49:38 budfive5: it doesn't make much sense to debug kdrive as nobody's going to support it anyway. Mar 24 10:53:17 PaulFertser: I knew that OE was the base for the userspace images, but didn't realize the kernel images came from there also. As for the glamo, I'd like to understand what it is in the kernel that's making it slow. I'm seeing all versions of 2.6.2[89] being slow, and the versions fo 2.6.24 that I build being slow. The shr images of 2.6.24 seem to be fast. Somebody here probably already knows all about it Mar 24 10:54:10 budfive5: no, i guess nobody has really found the route cause of the issue. So any work in this area is much appreciated. Mar 24 10:55:10 budfive5: otoh, if it's kdrive-specific bug, probably it doesn't matter much. So i'd verify with the new xorg driver first. Mar 24 10:55:40 PaulFertser: ok. I'll check that as well. I'm stuck at an airport for the next 4 hours Mar 24 10:56:17 budfive5: FYI xorg driver requires xserver 1.5 or later (no modifications needed). The sources are at http://git.openmoko.org/ Mar 24 10:56:38 PaulFertser: great. thanks. Mar 24 10:56:46 budfive5: it should probably work with earlier versions, but it's not extensively tested. Mar 24 10:58:03 Ainulindale, yes Mar 24 11:12:48 ah, i got two messages now. at least 2 other ones missing Mar 24 11:14:26 but message is still crashing when i launch it. i only got the popups with the new messages Mar 24 11:19:03 KaZeR: if something is segfaulting you're supposed to give a backtrace. If something is exits with error you're supposed to give the full error message and probably some information that was before it. Otherwise devs usually can't reproduce and/or fix the issues... Mar 24 11:55:10 Ainulindale: ping Mar 24 11:55:20 * mrmoku is having buildhost problems... Mar 24 11:56:04 Ainulindale: bitbaking an image does not work... Mar 24 11:56:16 fakeroot, while creating message channels: No space left on device Mar 24 11:56:17 This may be due to a lack of SYSV IPC support. Mar 24 11:56:17 fakeroot: error while starting the `faked' daemon. Mar 24 11:56:17 kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] Mar 24 11:56:44 Ainulindale: any idea? Mar 24 11:58:40 Yeah I have ideas pretty often Mar 24 11:59:01 Is there space available or what? Mar 24 11:59:56 Hahaha Mar 24 12:00:29 Ainulindale: well df says there is space... don't know if there are quotas set up... Mar 24 12:00:41 /dev/sda1 412849328 46581332 345296476 12% / Mar 24 12:01:16 Ainulindale: one of your 'pretty often' ideas would be much apreciated now :P Mar 24 12:02:02 I just asked to the guys from bearstech Mar 24 12:02:11 Ainulindale: thanks Mar 24 12:03:05 paris is on the list? Mar 24 12:03:15 tres interresant. Mar 24 12:04:20 well yes but I don't think it'll be in Paris Mar 24 12:04:26 it'll be too hard for all the german guys Mar 24 12:04:36 plus ptitjes|work & I can drive Mar 24 12:05:29 vous sons ou en france? Mar 24 12:06:02 raster, close :) vous etes ou en france Mar 24 12:06:11 aaaah yes Mar 24 12:06:15 etes Mar 24 12:06:19 raster: dans ton cul, pourquoi ? Mar 24 12:06:24 * raster slaps himself for forgetting that Mar 24 12:06:25 (dans ton cul = up your ass) Mar 24 12:06:29 man my french is rusty Mar 24 12:06:32 I live in Paris. Mar 24 12:06:40 Ainulindale: fils d'une salope! Mar 24 12:06:47 Ainulindale, lol. never thought i'd saw someone saying that to raster :) Mar 24 12:06:50 (that one i dont forget!) Mar 24 12:06:51 :) Mar 24 12:06:51 Well, kind of, yes :-> Mar 24 12:07:00 (but we would say "fils de pute") Mar 24 12:07:03 (as "son of a bitch") Mar 24 12:07:10 pute? Mar 24 12:07:17 really Mar 24 12:07:17 yeah Mar 24 12:07:18 pute is french for whore Mar 24 12:07:26 salope is a bit old fashioned? Mar 24 12:07:30 yeah Mar 24 12:07:31 puta Mar 24 12:07:36 nah it's just that the expression is idiomatic Mar 24 12:07:39 que puta! Mar 24 12:08:11 but anyway raster if you ever come to Paris you know you're welcome to eat at my place Mar 24 12:08:20 (or sleep for that matter, but I'll have to rub against you) Mar 24 12:08:30 hehe :) Mar 24 12:09:09 PaulFertser, apologies, i've been a jerk here. console output is here : http://pastebin.com/m1ae884f4 and strace is here : http://pastebin.com/m46a2e2e7 Mar 24 12:09:39 Ainulindale, if you want to have a look between two cultural lessons, you're welcome :) it's about messages crash Mar 24 12:09:44 Ainulindale: awesome! i'll order my croque monsieurs :) Mar 24 12:10:15 raster: do you know offhand how to tweak fontconfig to set a default font other than Vera? It seems involved to do this by tweaking the elementary edc Mar 24 12:10:57 RAH Mar 24 12:11:11 I had "Surfin' bird" in the back of my head since yesterday Mar 24 12:11:16 FREAKING TRASHMEN Mar 24 12:11:25 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHR -> Page FSOSHR not found Mar 24 12:11:46 KaZeR: messages crashes in unstable, that's a known issue Mar 24 12:11:52 mickey|aalborg: fonts.conf.... somewhere - but i've never tried... Mar 24 12:11:54 :/ Mar 24 12:12:29 Ainulindale, ah. of course, the branch name has its purpose Mar 24 12:13:16 Ainulindale, the thing is that it doesn't always crash. only most of the time.. Mar 24 12:13:38 yeah that's an issue with EFL IIRC Mar 24 12:14:05 raster: any plans to introduce something like class support for fonts? Mar 24 12:14:09 efl? then it should always crash, no? Mar 24 12:14:09 same as you have colorclasss Mar 24 12:14:56 Ring ring ring ring Mar 24 12:14:58 BANANAPHONE Mar 24 12:15:00 mickey|aalborg: maybe later. its really just a matter of setting font class tags in the theme, and then apis to set them wrapped etc. Mar 24 12:25:59 <[HtR]_0xEF> anyone built nmap fpr freerunner?.. Mar 24 12:53:37 <_kait_> can anyone tell me what shr uses for showing all the programms on the homescreen? Mar 24 12:54:05 illume Mar 24 12:55:09 <_kait_> i know that, but if i install illume with debian on the freerunner it only shows the "dropdown-menu" on the top. no icons at all on my homescreen. Mar 24 12:55:33 <_kait_> so i thought that there must be another programm, which is responsible for that Mar 24 12:56:23 Then you were asking the wrong question Mar 24 12:56:28 _kait_: check if you have /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu Mar 24 12:56:37 Your .desktop files have to be categorized Mar 24 12:56:39 it determines which icons will be shown Mar 24 12:56:42 IIRC it's Category=Office Mar 24 12:56:54 mrmoku: he's not talking about that I think Mar 24 12:57:18 Ainulindale: well... that file determines which categories are shown... Mar 24 12:57:42 Illume only lists the Office category IIRC Mar 24 12:57:45 raster? Mar 24 12:58:04 Ainulindale: think you are not uptodate :P Mar 24 12:58:44 Maybe :-) Mar 24 12:58:47 I'm a bit tired too Mar 24 12:59:02 Ainulindale: illume lists only what the system applications.menu menu file tells it to list Mar 24 12:59:03 and how Mar 24 12:59:05 in what order Mar 24 12:59:13 Good. Mar 24 12:59:13 totally dependent on system config Mar 24 12:59:20 I'm proud of you, you did well. Mar 24 12:59:21 raster: order... is something I had problems with Mar 24 12:59:21 * Ainulindale pats raster Mar 24 12:59:23 oe doesnt have any such system .menu file Mar 24 12:59:31 so one is shipped with e as e will just not be happy without it Mar 24 13:00:35 raster: we wanted to have the phone apps first... spaetz tried it... and I tried it.. .and both we failed Mar 24 13:00:39 <_kait_> ok, i think i got it :) Mar 24 13:00:47 mrmoku: have a category for them Mar 24 13:00:56 and put that category as the first "submenu" int he system menu Mar 24 13:01:00 raster: yeah... added Phone as category Mar 24 13:01:09 and did exactly that... might just retry with current efl Mar 24 13:01:20 mrmoku: do you still have the buildhost issue? Mar 24 13:01:22 it flattens out the menu Mar 24 13:01:29 ir first submenu items Mar 24 13:01:30 Ainulindale: should I retry? Mar 24 13:01:31 The guys from bearstech are available Mar 24 13:01:32 then next submenu Mar 24 13:01:33 mrmoku: please Mar 24 13:01:34 and so on until the end Mar 24 13:01:38 no gaps/separators Mar 24 13:02:22 raster: ok... will retry and bug you if I don't get it :-) Mar 24 13:02:45 raster: thats exactly how I understood and tried it though Mar 24 13:03:00 two submenus... one for phone apps only... and one for all but phone Mar 24 13:03:23 the phone apps were doubled then... and not in the correct order Mar 24 13:03:33 but I will retry Mar 24 13:03:48 Ainulindale: shr-lite-image is running Mar 24 13:04:05 lets see if it also works... Mar 24 13:05:02 Ainulindale: btw.... any splendid idea what to do with our mailing list? Mar 24 13:05:14 leave it as is... move it somewhere else? Mar 24 13:06:43 Ainulindale: ok... failed again with exactly the same error Mar 24 13:06:57 raster: I failed with the submenu aproach Mar 24 13:07:19 but then I might have done the wrong things Mar 24 13:07:51 can't we move to berlios.de or somewhere with mailing list support? Mar 24 13:08:52 mrmoku: were the phone apps ALSO in the categories in the other menu Mar 24 13:08:54 eg "office" Mar 24 13:08:59 an app can be in multiple categories Mar 24 13:09:10 also /menu files can put multiple cateogies in a submenu Mar 24 13:09:11 all apps Mar 24 13:09:17 or exclude categories Mar 24 13:09:19 etc. etc. Mar 24 13:12:55 raster: IIRC I removed all other categories then phone... retrying now Mar 24 13:13:53 i suspect its just the .menu and the categories Mar 24 13:14:04 either wya in future all that stuff will get much mroe modular and configurable Mar 24 13:14:15 we're talking about breaking out the layout manager itself and making it generic Mar 24 13:14:17 to start with Mar 24 13:14:26 (layout of shelf/screen/desktop bg/apps and vkbd) Mar 24 13:14:36 so we can handle netbooks and "set to boxes" as well Mar 24 13:14:48 web tablets , n8xx style devices Mar 24 13:14:49 etc. Mar 24 13:19:12 raster: http://pastebin.com/d37ab84b3 Mar 24 13:19:36 raster: that gives me everything once... but in wrong order Mar 24 13:19:53 two apps have Category Phone only (the dialer and the contacts) Mar 24 13:20:53 (and playing with the desktop icons has the nice side effect to bring cpu usage down :-) Mar 24 13:21:34 i'm not sure of the magic Mar 24 13:21:41 but try ubuntu's applications.menu Mar 24 13:21:49 its pretty comprehensive Mar 24 13:21:55 and splits things up Mar 24 13:21:57 anyway Mar 24 13:22:01 need to snooze! Mar 24 13:22:04 bbl! Mar 24 13:22:11 raster: have a nice snoozie :_) Mar 24 13:26:35 * mwester wonders why nobody actually just fixes the blasted e-consumes-cpu bug, or has everyone just become fond of it, and it has become the SHR projects "pet bug" (rather like a stray cat)? Mar 24 13:26:42 raster?? Mar 24 13:27:17 mwester: if my CPU starts doing nothing, I'll certainly file a complaint ! Mar 24 13:28:30 * mwester likes it when his cpu does nothing, because then it is suspended, and not consuming battery power like a drunk with a bottle of wine. Mar 24 13:32:38 mwester: I'm looking into it now. I've got two copies of a 2.6.24 kernel where the bug happens and doesn't happen, based on the .config. Doing a bisection right now to figure out what triggers it Mar 24 13:33:23 mrmoku: could you give me the full error log as a pastebin? Mar 24 13:37:29 Ainulindale: ok...moment Mar 24 13:37:54 Ainulindale: what I posted here *is* the full log btw. Mar 24 13:38:22 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/d2e89644 Mar 24 13:38:51 mwester: nobody could find out why Mar 24 13:39:06 mwester: well... I spent some hours on that damn bug... and most definitely I don't want it as pet :P Mar 24 13:39:30 mickey|aalborg: are you an autoconf expert? How easy would it be to add a "--disable-examples" option to ./configure in libeflvala Mar 24 13:40:15 1) compiling the examples is not needed for regular OE stuff so it would be a tad quicker, and 2) libeflvala would build again in OE/FSO/SHR Mar 24 13:40:52 <[HtR]_0xEF> Anyone had problem booting from SD when the first partition is large FAT32 one with a kernel (7GB) and the second partition is ext2 with rootfs files? Kernel panics with "inaccessible root filesystem". I'm able to mount this ext2 and the filesystem is actually OK.. What could be the problem? The kernel I'm trying to boot is FDOM200809... Mar 24 13:42:28 [HtR]_0xEF: Can you mount this filesystem on FR at when you boot from NAND with the same kernel? Mar 24 13:43:02 <[HtR]_0xEF> I can mount it when i boot from NAND with another kernel Mar 24 13:43:42 <[HtR]_0xEF> I'll try another kernel for my SD boot to see if it is kernel problem Mar 24 13:44:12 <[HtR]_0xEF> I used FDOM distribution and I though it should work OK Mar 24 13:46:03 [HtR]_0xEF: btw, do you use rootdelay=5 parameter? It can be the only problem. Qi already has rootdelay=1 which works in most cases. Mar 24 13:46:17 <[HtR]_0xEF> My uboot boots the kernel from SD only from the second time. It always says it failed to load the kernel first time. The NOR uboot fails to load that kernel every time .. Mar 24 13:46:50 <[HtR]_0xEF> Yes I use rootdelay=5 Mar 24 13:46:51 [HtR]_0xEF: it's a kernel parameter, not bootloader btw. Mar 24 13:47:24 <[HtR]_0xEF> Is there any way to change it to 1 from a running system? Mar 24 13:47:34 [HtR]_0xEF: read kernel messages carefully to understand if it sees the card at all, can it read the partition table and such. Mar 24 13:47:39 <[HtR]_0xEF> Or do I have to get to the bootloader to change it? Mar 24 13:47:55 [HtR]_0xEF: 5 is more reliable than 1, why change it? Mar 24 13:48:13 <[HtR]_0xEF> OK, sorry, i thought "1" is better Mar 24 13:50:07 <[HtR]_0xEF> kernel panics on this: Mar 24 13:52:41 <[HtR]_0xEF> 1f00 2048 mtdblock0 (driver?) Mar 24 13:52:41 <[HtR]_0xEF> ....... Mar 24 13:52:41 <[HtR]_0xEF> 1f06 252160 mtdblock6 (driver?) Mar 24 13:52:41 <[HtR]_0xEF> b300 7761920 mmcblk0 driver: mmcblk Mar 24 13:52:41 <[HtR]_0xEF> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2) Mar 24 13:52:45 mrmoku: 14:45:55 < rodo> Ainulindale: réessaye pour voir j'ai installé fakeroot-ng fakeroot est buggé semble-t-il Mar 24 13:52:49 14:48:36 < rodo> Ainulindale: utilise explicitement fakeroot-ng dans tes scripts Mar 24 13:52:52 retry with fakeroot-ng in the scripts Mar 24 13:52:55 he just installed it Mar 24 13:54:57 <[HtR]_0xEF> google is my friend and I've found the trac ticket and the workaround Mar 24 13:55:06 <[HtR]_0xEF> strange issue... Mar 24 13:55:09 Ainulindale: soo... what do I have to do? Mar 24 13:55:26 <[HtR]_0xEF> The problem can be corrected by using a microSD card reader on another computer to mount the ext2 partition. After unmounting the partition and inserting it into the FreeRunner?, the operating system boots without issue. Mar 24 13:58:22 * mrmoku just retries... Mar 24 14:00:51 mrmoku: no idea Mar 24 14:01:27 heh Mar 24 14:01:41 *yawn* Mar 24 14:01:59 OE is using fakeroot-native... Mar 24 14:02:00 moin Mar 24 14:02:05 Morgen Mar 24 14:03:04 'nings Mar 24 14:07:13 Ainulindale: I'm trying to clean fakeroot-native and use ASSUME_PROVIDED += "fakeroot-native"... Mar 24 14:14:24 Ainulindale: still no go... it did *not* rebuild fakeroot-native... so it must be using the system's one, no? Mar 24 14:16:04 well I have no idea Mar 24 14:16:11 You should ask that question on #oe Mar 24 14:16:25 (sorry I'm swamped we deliver our software this monday...) Mar 24 14:17:09 Ainulindale: ok Mar 24 14:27:08 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r0aaf0fb61c94 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): add a --disable-examples configure option. Mar 24 14:36:00 let's see if libeflvala builds again Mar 24 14:38:25 * spaetz wonders if FR kernel should compile more modules in the kernel (e.g. all the snd* stuff) Mar 24 14:38:42 less modules=less work for modprobe and less time for udev Mar 24 14:39:24 spaetz does gta01 use the same modules ? Mar 24 14:39:59 It's pointless to have modules for core devices. gta01 uses a different set of modules, with some overlap. But gta01 is a completely different kernel, so it matters not. Mar 24 14:40:06 no clue, but we (SHR) have different config files depending on whether we compile for om-gta01 or om-gta02, so why not 2 different kernel .configs Mar 24 14:40:41 mwester: well, perhaps not pointless, e.g. usually you might not need the hid and usb_ether modules Mar 24 14:40:43 good points Mar 24 14:41:13 lsmod|wc -l Mar 24 14:41:14 18 Mar 24 14:41:58 I made the boot time of my eeePC a heck of a time faster by disabling modules altogether Mar 24 14:42:07 I was astonished what a difference it made Mar 24 14:42:45 no initrd, no modprobe, udev doesn't search for modules... Mar 24 14:43:06 spaetz: problem was that the kernel got to big for default u-boot env... IIRC Mar 24 14:43:13 s/to/too/ Mar 24 14:43:13 mrmoku meant: spaetz: problem was that the kernel got too big for default u-boot env... IIRC Mar 24 14:43:24 mmh Mar 24 14:43:44 mrmoku: with the move to qi this could be fixed Mar 24 14:44:07 1.9M Feb 4 16:31 /boot/uImage-2.6.28 Mar 24 14:44:16 bumbl: yeah... but still there are u-boot users out there... we should take care of Mar 24 14:44:17 mmh, I see. They have a 2mb limit or somethign, right? Mar 24 14:44:19 but then you have to rebase your kernel to a newer version of andy-tracking where qi + suspend&resume works on al the devices Mar 24 14:44:24 spaetz: yep, right Mar 24 14:44:38 and we want to keep uboot working for the NOR boot menu Mar 24 14:45:04 pity Mar 24 14:45:15 mwester: what do you think about that? Mar 24 14:45:55 NO Qi! Mar 24 14:46:20 mrmoku: I know it is a bit vain, but do you mind pushing a current vala-setting in the repo? Mar 24 14:46:23 take care to keep the kernel under 2MB or teach people to adjust their env? Mar 24 14:46:29 I actually use it now :) Mar 24 14:46:39 spaetz: push ahead :-) Mar 24 14:46:45 k :) Mar 24 14:46:54 I'll add it to the feed Mar 24 14:47:22 Consider the set of potential users. Now consider the set excluded if Qi is a requirement. If no distros support the existing uboot, then there will be many many gta0x's in the trash bin. We must support u-boot for something, no matter what Andy and Paul say! :-D Mar 24 14:47:51 Why not just provide a user-space tool to fix the uboot setting for max kernel size? Mar 24 14:47:53 mwester: that means u-boot with default env then... ? Mar 24 14:47:58 Very simple fix, very simple solution. Mar 24 14:48:50 yeah... if somebody would come up with such a tool... that would be elegant Mar 24 14:48:53 pushed Mar 24 14:49:14 spaetz: write such a tool... and you're allowed to include more modules into the kernel ;) Mar 24 14:49:32 I agree, we need to keep uboot working Mar 24 14:50:08 mwester: what kind of setting would we need to change in uboot and how :-) Mar 24 14:51:46 We change one byte from the character '2' to '3' :-) Debian has user-space uboot tools Mar 24 14:53:45 (but note that I am not recommending that we follow the path of the "debian for openmoko" image, which auto-edits the uboot env significantly and provides no way to return AFAIK. We need to limit any auto-editing to fixing that one variable that limits kernel size. Mar 24 14:53:47 ) Mar 24 14:55:06 mwester: i disagree Mar 24 14:55:20 as it needs the userspace program to be run Mar 24 14:55:57 which a) will need linux on the host system Mar 24 14:56:28 or b) needs another kernel and distribution before you could install shr Mar 24 14:56:48 mwester: do you mean this thing? http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootCmdGroupInfo Mar 24 14:57:06 (but that may just be me) Mar 24 14:59:24 mwester: you can package my "envedit" and then write a wrapper for it. for convenient environment editing, you could even use "envi". the problem with all those things is of course that you have to use them before installing a "big" kernel. Mar 24 15:00:08 mwester: (envi) http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/neobin/envi Mar 24 15:00:11 wpwrak: but is that a problem if you stick it in fat letters on a SHR snapshot? Mar 24 15:00:53 people never read release notes, but that is not our problem, then :) Mar 24 15:00:53 spaetz: dunno :) Mar 24 15:01:24 spaetz: it's no "mass market/userfriendly solution" Mar 24 15:01:42 spaetz: the long-term approach would be to make this automatic and wait a few releases before introducing "big" kernels Mar 24 15:01:53 bumbl: the gta02 is no userfriendly solution, so I don't care (a lot) Mar 24 15:02:07 wpwrak: agreed Mar 24 15:02:16 would at least ease the transitions Mar 24 15:02:22 spaetz: it's very userfriendly. it's just a bit picky what users it is friendly with :) Mar 24 15:02:30 hehe Mar 24 15:03:45 mrmoku: haven't you included qwo in the SHR overlay? Mar 24 15:03:47 If it helps, qwo is now included in openembedded so there is a bitbake Mar 24 15:03:47 recipe available out there. Mar 24 15:03:59 spaetz: it is Mar 24 15:04:02 (included) Mar 24 15:04:06 ahh Mar 24 15:04:41 ^^ (above comment from shr bug tracker Mar 24 15:04:58 spaetz: which I answered to :P Mar 24 15:05:03 spaetz: anyway, with envedit yo uhave the basic tool for the job. just look at how "envi" uses it. replace the editor with some script and you're there. Mar 24 15:05:10 you are way too fast for me Mar 24 15:05:11 spaetz: (envedit) http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/envedit/ Mar 24 15:05:12 :) Mar 24 15:05:46 spaetz: that will get better... when you start to have good sleep at night... in about 5 years ;) Mar 24 15:06:10 wpwrak: thanks. I doubt I will get to it quickly, but I noted the link Mar 24 15:06:42 mwester: any idea about my fakeroot problem? #oe is quiet about it :( Mar 24 15:06:54 Fiddling with other uses uboot is something I want to be very careful about :) Mar 24 15:07:15 spaetz: surprise, surprise ;-) Mar 24 15:08:22 mrmoku: I actually had a quite night (2nd time in total or so) :) Mar 24 15:08:28 quiet night Mar 24 15:08:47 :-) Mar 24 15:08:56 yep, libeflvala builds now again. good. Mar 24 15:09:19 I just had to learn autotools to fix it Mar 24 15:10:15 * spaetz wonders what we put in a 2MB kernel and resists to look at the .config file Mar 24 15:10:41 * mrmoku remembers someone from the fso team to do exactly that... tweak the kernel .config file Mar 24 15:12:52 CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="anticipatory" Mar 24 15:13:00 does this make any sense for non-harddisks? Mar 24 15:13:15 i don't think so Mar 24 15:13:21 I wouldn't think it helps on flash Mar 24 15:13:39 as anticipatory waits a bit to minimze (on flash not available) seek times Mar 24 15:14:02 bumbl: right. i think I rememver that a NOOP scheduler is the best on flash Mar 24 15:14:09 so our kernel .config is suboptimal :) Mar 24 15:14:33 yeah either noop or cfq Mar 24 15:19:41 * mrmoku wonders if we should use CONFIG_DEFAULT_EFLSCHED :P Mar 24 15:19:49 Yes, if we went ahead and trimmed out a lot unnecessary stuff, we could probably get a no-modules-for-normal-operation kernel in under 2MB. That would probably be a better solution... Mar 24 15:20:24 * spaetz promotes mwester to Chief .config Officer Mar 24 15:20:31 (no idea on fakeroot. It's been working here (on Fedora 10), and it has historically failed first on RH systems, so I'm not sure what the problem is?) Mar 24 15:22:40 it was working on the shr buildhost too... until some days ago Mar 24 15:23:04 bearstech people told Ainulindale that the installed fakeroot-ng (because of bugs in fakeroot) Mar 24 15:23:30 I tried setting fakeroot as provided (ASSUME_PROVIDED) Mar 24 15:23:37 but that gives the same error Mar 24 15:25:56 anyway... have to go now... will be back later Mar 24 15:34:40 can you switch profile with dbus? Mar 24 15:37:57 mrmokumokumoku Mar 24 15:38:19 ( "org.freesmartphone.opreferencesd", "/org/freesmartphone/Preferences", "org.freesmartphone.Preferences") Mar 24 15:38:22 GetProfiles() Mar 24 15:38:32 mrmoku: you might let us know what that error is... :-) Mar 24 15:39:22 16:38 < spaetz> GetProfiles() Mar 24 15:39:28 and SetProfile() Mar 24 15:39:35 etc Mar 24 15:40:13 mwester: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/3945155.txt Mar 24 15:40:38 via http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/ Mar 24 15:57:18 is there a fix checked in yet for phone calls/text messages not having $TZ applied? Mar 24 15:58:14 spaetz, thanks Mar 24 15:58:29 raster: does documentation about the e17-config-file-format and its options exist? Mar 24 16:02:14 mrmoku: ping Mar 24 16:02:19 carpe diem Mar 24 16:02:29 python-ecore builds Mar 24 16:07:16 mrmoku: khorben had the same issue Mar 24 16:07:25 I'm trying to ask him if he can explain that to you Mar 24 16:08:21 hi Mar 24 16:15:22 hmm Mar 24 16:18:57 why the hell does python not want to import elementary but it is no problem to import evas, edje,... although they all have installed their egg-link into the same directory Mar 24 16:26:06 bumbl: yep, we know that python-ecore builds Mar 24 16:26:35 ah ok Mar 24 16:26:49 hey, i want to build a cross linux from scratch for my freerunner. they want me to set the abi build, but i dont know which one to choose : / what could it be? Mar 24 16:27:21 bumbl, maybe python -v or python -vv will help debug Mar 24 16:27:34 possible is: apcs-gnu, atpcs, aapcs, aapcs-gnu, iwmmxt Mar 24 16:27:49 hmm Mar 24 16:27:59 with manual set pythonpath it works Mar 24 16:28:06 without it doesn't Mar 24 16:28:42 but the strange thing is Mar 24 16:28:48 evas, edje,... work Mar 24 16:36:38 mrmoku, khorben is here Mar 24 16:44:00 darn, my automake fails, as it couldn't finf eflvala Mar 24 16:44:24 and indeed libeflvala did not register itself with pkg-config Mar 24 16:44:43 WTF, it did that on my desktop, so why not in the staging root? Mar 24 17:04:25 anybody else seeing wiki down with error in line 777? Mar 24 17:06:47 DocScrutinizer: yes Mar 24 17:06:56 Lucky number Mar 24 17:07:00 Lucky we Mar 24 17:07:18 hope it's transitional Mar 24 17:14:02 "Openmoko has a problem" lol, like it never had any. Mar 24 17:14:20 :> Mar 24 17:15:25 what the website is down page should say, is: "(gdb) starting trace" Mar 24 17:16:52 muahaha Mar 24 17:17:42 om is down down down Mar 24 17:19:06 terrorists Mar 24 17:19:28 or Dave ;D Mar 24 17:19:28 om? Mar 24 17:19:59 i guess it was dave Mar 24 17:20:06 Dave: did you edit wiki from one of your FR ? ;) Mar 24 17:21:15 why the heck do I get If you meant to cross compile, use `--host' Mar 24 17:21:24 on autoconf/automake? Mar 24 17:21:40 otherwise it's too simple ;-D Mar 24 17:22:20 bahh, I hate taht shit Mar 24 17:24:41 DocScrutinizer: it looks like that the fso/shr convention will take place in essen Mar 24 17:24:59 hmm, fine withthat Mar 24 17:25:30 DocScrutinizer: i hope i can join it for some hours, i have an important private date hehe Mar 24 17:25:54 huh? Mar 24 17:26:38 DocScrutinizer: what kind of beer you prefer?;-) Mar 24 17:26:58 heheheh... Mar 24 17:27:33 usually Pils Mar 24 17:27:52 fuck, if I add --host=arm-linux it works Mar 24 17:27:55 okay, i will get you some pils then Mar 24 17:28:01 isn't OE supposed to add that itself? Mar 24 17:28:16 it's amusing when you run progs from the command line. sometimes people put the most amusing error messages up Mar 24 17:28:21 you'd think Mar 24 17:30:49 ahh, autoreconf includes configure Mar 24 17:30:53 * spaetz is on to something Mar 24 17:32:20 BluesLee: still having the bzzzz Mar 24 17:35:48 bumbl: yes Mar 24 17:36:10 bumbl: i dont use the guy since two months Mar 24 17:37:25 bumbl: i really dont know how to proceed, on the one hand i like the community work and progress on the other side there are hw issues which prevent me from using it as a daily phone Mar 24 17:37:50 BluesLee: what prevents me from daily usage Mar 24 17:37:57 is the linux bluetooth stack Mar 24 17:38:00 + gnokii Mar 24 17:38:16 you would use it with a bt headset? Mar 24 17:38:17 eeeek gnokii Mar 24 17:38:22 which does not want to backup my phonebook and calendar from my nokia 6230i Mar 24 17:38:25 i don't use BT, but i've been getting by ok for daily usage Mar 24 17:38:41 Blu3: well i need my phonebook Mar 24 17:38:46 bumbl: same here Mar 24 17:38:53 and no sim usage is no option Mar 24 17:39:16 i'm using shr and my contacts work. are you referring to a different phonebook? Mar 24 17:39:30 as sim usage does not allow to have >1 number + email + ... per contact Mar 24 17:39:38 ahh Mar 24 17:39:45 agreed, that's a bother Mar 24 17:39:48 Blu3: my phonebook is on my nokia 6230i Mar 24 17:40:00 "converting" it to sim messes it up Mar 24 17:40:06 + i can't even back up it Mar 24 17:40:42 because the three distributions i tried messed with bluez(4), gnokii and kdebluetooth Mar 24 17:41:44 i tried gnokii via irda. no success Mar 24 17:42:42 i used gnokii 5 y ago, i wonder that it still exists Mar 24 17:59:39 Ainulindale: was away for two hours :( Mar 24 18:01:25 * mrmoku brings piccolino to bed... Mar 24 18:02:50 * DocScrutinizer is now known as coffemonster_missing_breakfast Mar 24 19:38:31 soccer-WM or is this my irc-client? Mar 24 19:39:46 ? Mar 24 19:39:58 ahh, live out there :) Mar 24 19:40:13 women-soccer-WM ;) Mar 24 19:40:14 * mrmoku was thinking the same :-) Mar 24 19:40:16 and wiki is up and running as well Mar 24 19:40:54 * mrmoku shouts "wiki vor noch ein Tor" :P Mar 24 19:41:19 hmm another linzer in chan Mar 24 19:41:25 * bumbl waves clemens Mar 24 19:41:34 Gismo \o/ Mar 24 20:01:05 mhm pizza Mar 24 20:01:19 where Mar 24 20:01:40 * mrmoku wants pizza too Mar 24 20:01:55 mirko-pizza Mar 24 20:02:03 he has some Mar 24 20:08:48 mirko-pizza: new project ? ;D Mar 24 20:09:04 pizza-dialer Mar 24 20:09:19 fullscreen-pizza ;) hmm yummie :D Mar 24 20:09:45 well we had buble-dialer, so why not a pizza-dialer Mar 24 20:13:30 is it possible to download 1 file via usb and put it onto the jffs2-flash-image? Mar 24 20:13:41 while i'm logged in with a terminal? Mar 24 20:13:55 (i'm talking bout the u-boot-stuff here) Mar 24 20:15:07 download a slice via internet and put it into the oven Mar 24 20:15:10 ;) Mar 24 20:18:23 no access to jffs-fs files via uboot afaik Mar 24 20:18:32 * tomboy64 sighs Mar 24 20:18:52 i can't - for the heck of it - get usb-networking to work Mar 24 20:19:06 the iface is up, g_ether says it's loaded Mar 24 20:19:17 and i'm telling it to be with a specific address Mar 24 20:19:31 * tomboy64 goes reflashing mtd6 once more Mar 24 20:22:43 tomboy64: repeating useless procedures is... humm... useless Mar 24 20:23:05 indeed it is Mar 24 20:23:16 tomboy64: check network connectivity step by step Mar 24 20:23:16 DocScrutinizer: paroli just wasn't catchy enough ;) Mar 24 20:23:35 i'm adding diagnostical output to /etc/conf.d/local each time Mar 24 20:23:42 trying to figure out what's wrong Mar 24 20:24:13 if you could give me a lead on what exactly to check i'd be glad to follow your advice Mar 24 20:24:34 but so far i have no means of accessing the phone via ssh ... so ... Mar 24 20:26:46 http://rafb.net/p/JKkJeb99.html Mar 24 20:27:03 that currently is being executed after all has been started Mar 24 20:37:40 err, huh?? Mar 24 20:38:44 tomboy64: you're trying to connect FR to PC via usb, then log in via ssh, right? Mar 24 20:38:57 yes Mar 24 20:39:02 that is my goal, DocScrutinizer Mar 24 20:39:29 i have gentoo setup and boot to the command prompt Mar 24 20:39:57 usb0 is available, but doesn't get an ip-address - although i've set it Mar 24 20:39:59 tomboy64: on PC 'less +F /var/log/messages', then plug in FR Mar 24 20:40:42 if you see "usb0", also in ifconfig... Mar 24 20:40:44 it tells me something "device not ready" Mar 24 20:40:51 assign an IP to it Mar 24 20:40:58 i can't do it right now, as i'm in the middle of a flash Mar 24 20:41:11 via ifconfig? ok, will try so Mar 24 20:42:51 if you don't mind i'll highlight you then, doc? Mar 24 20:43:36 /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Mar 24 20:43:52 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 Mar 24 20:44:04 ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202 Mar 24 20:45:10 the third command would only work if i could ping it Mar 24 20:46:07 that's what the first two commands are for Mar 24 20:46:43 yup Mar 24 20:48:29 if i have the module loaded (fr-sidish) will i have to *explicitely* assign an ip there? or does it automagically assume one? Mar 24 20:48:58 because ifconfig usb0 shows the adapter, but no ip-address Mar 24 20:49:35 FR should assign x.x.x.202 to the network usb IF automatically Mar 24 20:50:03 if nobody messed up the init files ;) Mar 24 20:50:25 which init files are you talking bout? :-D Mar 24 20:50:46 e.g. where can i go look for the commands? Mar 24 20:52:02 duh. /etc/init.d/network-foo something? Mar 24 20:53:39 hmmm Mar 24 20:54:01 * tomboy64 performs a grep 202 on an shr-imag Mar 24 20:54:02 e Mar 24 20:54:39 should work. restrict to /etc maybe Mar 24 20:55:06 is there a minimo package on OE repos? could it be added to SHR feeds? Mar 24 20:55:47 Sharwin_F: dunno bout minimo. but you could try fennec? it's minimo's successor Mar 24 20:56:01 any OE experts? Why would a package's configure fail, but it works when I manually add --host=arm-linux to the configure options Mar 24 20:56:18 tomboy64, I've heard it's quite unusable Mar 24 20:56:25 oh? Mar 24 20:56:38 didn't get it to compile so far Mar 24 20:59:18 so, someone managed to get the GTA01 build launched, but it failed. Mar 24 20:59:25 juri_: yep Mar 24 20:59:36 juri_: failed because of fakeroot problems... Mar 24 21:00:05 something on the buildhost seems to have changed :( Mar 24 21:00:32 juri_: but you can update :P Mar 24 21:00:43 ahh.. .forgot you can't :( Mar 24 21:02:55 tomboy64: didn't notice your comment about gentoo. Sorry no idea about gentoo on FR Mar 24 21:03:07 :) Mar 24 21:03:16 well, i'm on the verge of finding out Mar 24 21:03:35 gentoo is really still in it's development there, but i'm grateful for any hints, doc Mar 24 21:03:51 on "standard" distris that's all handled in startup (init) scripts Mar 24 21:04:01 so it is in gentoo Mar 24 21:04:27 but if i try to fire up usb0 the standard way there, local is bitchin around for usb0 not bein up Mar 24 21:04:42 so i'm circumventing the standard way and trying to find out what's wrong Mar 24 21:04:51 hmm, so probably it's best to compare the startscript in e.g. FSO to the gentoo one Mar 24 21:05:25 yup Mar 24 21:56:43 muwahahahahahahahaha Mar 24 21:56:51 Terroristmoko Mar 24 21:58:09 * tomboy64 just noticed something Mar 24 21:58:23 i *do* have an inet6 addr but no inet addr on my moko Mar 24 22:07:27 Dave! Mar 24 22:18:03 http://rafb.net/p/zCGEq017.html Mar 24 22:18:17 can someone help? Mar 24 22:31:08 error: usb.h: No such file or directory Mar 24 22:31:16 i see that and thats not good Mar 24 22:33:13 yup Mar 24 22:33:28 Serdar: have a look in the build-directory if usb.h is there Mar 24 22:33:32 missing include Mar 24 22:35:31 what shoul I bitbake for getting usb.h? Mar 24 22:36:09 Serdar: you got me wrong. the usb.h should be in that bluez-package you're compiling Mar 24 22:36:39 Serdar: get into the work-dir where it's compiling and search for it Mar 24 22:39:08 I only tried make not to install bluez Mar 24 22:39:34 make image for sure Mar 24 22:51:34 kd8ikt? Mar 24 22:53:39 I rebitbaked libusb and got this /home/serdar/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/usb.h:330: error: previous declaration of 'usb_get_busses' was here Mar 24 22:55:35 Dave! Mar 24 22:56:34 Howdy :) Mar 24 22:56:41 i like pestering you Mar 24 22:56:47 Thanks! Mar 24 22:58:06 just something about driving others to insanity that makes me feel warm and fuzzy Mar 24 22:58:44 or was that the morphine i injested Mar 24 23:03:10 goodnight Mar 24 23:10:29 wonderful! Mar 24 23:27:46 Serdar: I have no idea how it works in the first place; bluez4 won't build without manual patching. I need to speak with mickey|zzZZzz about that when he's about some time. Mar 24 23:27:52 (he's too busy) Mar 24 23:35:05 * Weiss is thankful that he hasn't done something "interesting" while screwing with Glamo's RAM, and in fact just needed to switch a "640x480" modeline for a "480x640" one Mar 24 23:36:18 (the results of getting this wrong are "interesting") Mar 24 23:43:54 DocScrutinizer: ptitjes|dinner is asking if you managed to do whatever you were doing (as I don't know what he's talking about) Mar 24 23:50:44 lol,neither do I Mar 24 23:51:11 maybe he's asking for wiki-foo Mar 24 23:51:23 I'm registered Mar 24 23:51:44 anyone usinf here pygtk? Mar 24 23:51:53 ...using Mar 24 23:54:05 i'm searching for a way to save settings out of spinbuttons and entrys Mar 25 02:33:24 raster: didn't you want to put your word for the location ? Mar 25 02:34:15 DocScrutinizer: and you hey! I thought you had things to say for workshops! Mar 25 02:35:01 hmm, eventually. yes Mar 25 02:35:10 ptitjes|dinner: hmmm Mar 25 02:35:20 i'm not sure what i should be suggestion as location Mar 25 02:35:32 just a few suggestions for topics beyond buzzfix Mar 25 02:36:05 DocScrutinizer: go on! that would be a pity to be registered and not take profit of it ;) Mar 25 02:36:17 hehe Mar 25 02:36:29 was hard enough Mar 25 02:36:36 i really dont know what would be best Mar 25 02:36:42 but i'd go for paris or berlin Mar 25 02:37:01 gimme big cities when i can find my bum nicely squared away on a bar stool with a good alcoholic beverage in hand Mar 25 02:37:05 raster: how many times did you go to paris or berlin ? Mar 25 02:37:19 been to berlin 2 times Mar 25 02:37:28 paris maybe hmm 3 or 4 times? Mar 25 02:37:29 raster: for youit's all the same I guess. these few 100km diff ;) Mar 25 02:37:34 i think 3 actually Mar 25 02:37:38 raster: we'll have what fits you anywhere we go ;) Mar 25 02:37:41 DocScrutinizer: bingo Mar 25 02:37:53 once i get to eruope. it's all "next door" anyway Mar 25 02:38:14 ptitjes: there is much that need to be dicsussed.. with beers in hand Mar 25 02:38:21 raster: you may come back to paris with us after the conv. Mar 25 02:38:25 for me paris is too far however Mar 25 02:38:36 if i'm in europe.. i'll spend maybe 2 weeks there Mar 25 02:38:42 since i spent the $ to get there Mar 25 02:38:46 mayaswell make it worth it Mar 25 02:38:55 raster: no probs. I think I have a good "descente" and a good "tenue" too Mar 25 02:39:06 sorry guys don't know the words... Mar 25 02:39:36 you are welcome here! Mar 25 02:39:48 tenure? Mar 25 02:40:06 (the 2nd) Mar 25 02:40:11 hm ??? Mar 25 02:40:18 hmm Mar 25 02:40:21 ? here too Mar 25 02:40:21 you mean location Mar 25 02:40:22 home? Mar 25 02:40:24 pad? Mar 25 02:40:43 mean I can speak hot topics easily even with a high number of beers ;)à Mar 25 02:41:24 aaaah Mar 25 02:41:31 you can "hold your drink" Mar 25 02:41:38 ok Mar 25 02:41:43 alors moi comprends Mar 25 02:41:46 thanks for the translation Mar 25 02:41:47 :) Mar 25 02:41:55 héhéhé Mar 25 02:41:59 moi aussi :) Mar 25 02:42:10 I think we will have fun :) Mar 25 02:42:15 oui Mar 25 02:42:27 pas de probleme Mar 25 02:42:31 i suspect berlin is going to end up the place Mar 25 02:42:32 or essen Mar 25 02:42:50 hey! raster. I just realized my cousin was living in the same town as you are! Mar 25 02:42:58 sydney? Mar 25 02:43:01 yeah Mar 25 02:43:01 probably essen even more convenient Mar 25 02:43:36 but we'll make a move by belgium the day before to take some beers with us Mar 25 02:43:56 (I heard there was nothing really correct to drink in Germany :)) Mar 25 02:44:09 bwahahaaaa Mar 25 02:44:23 raster: yes he lives in sydney Mar 25 02:44:38 in fact he was born in australia too Mar 25 02:45:05 my uncle got split with my grand-father and then reconcieled Mar 25 02:45:27 cool Mar 25 02:45:30 sydney is a ncie place Mar 25 02:45:34 the problem is Mar 25 02:45:36 in the meantime he maried and had my cousin and his syster Mar 25 02:45:37 1. its' expensive Mar 25 02:45:39 sister Mar 25 02:45:47 2. its far far far far away from everyone else in the world Mar 25 02:45:56 yeah sure :) Mar 25 02:46:21 ooh men I must go to bed Mar 25 02:46:27 I work at ten Mar 25 02:46:31 c u!! Mar 25 02:46:35 have a nice night Mar 25 02:46:36 cya Mar 25 02:49:32 bonne nuit! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 25 02:59:57 2009