**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 12 19:46:05 2009
Apr 12 19:46:10 <TAsn> and when my name is written
Apr 12 19:46:13 <TAsn> a beep occurs.
Apr 12 19:46:14 <TAsn> ;[
Apr 12 19:46:32 <TAsn> dos1, OMG
Apr 12 19:46:39 <TAsn> I thought my moko died, though it just dimmed
Apr 12 19:46:42 <TAsn> the screen ;]
Apr 12 19:46:48 <dos1> xD
Apr 12 19:46:58 <TAsn> I'm not used to that actually happening ;]
Apr 12 19:47:02 <TAsn> omg, again!
Apr 12 19:47:04 * dos1 too
Apr 12 19:47:04 <dos1> :D
Apr 12 19:47:10 <dos1> that's strange :D
Apr 12 19:47:12 <TAsn> hehe yeah.
Apr 12 19:47:19 <TAsn> not having my screen on all night
Apr 12 19:47:24 <TAsn> boiling in the morning.
Apr 12 19:47:25 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 12 19:47:40 <Toaster`> TAsn: you don't suspend it at night?
Apr 12 19:47:50 <TAsn> Toaster`, no, I charge it.
Apr 12 19:48:04 <dos1> TAsn: FR is charging while suspended...
Apr 12 19:48:08 <dos1> even faster :P
Apr 12 19:48:12 <TAsn> REALLY?
Apr 12 19:48:15 <dos1> REALLY
Apr 12 19:48:18 <TAsn> sweet ;]
Apr 12 19:48:29 <dos1> i'm charging on suspended ;)
Apr 12 19:48:36 <Toaster`> Ahh, I jack mine into the computer at work, and can almost go the whole weekend on one charge.
Apr 12 19:48:54 <TAsn> Toaster`, it doesn't really need a daily charge
Apr 12 19:49:02 <TAsn> though I connect it for playing with it
Apr 12 19:49:05 <TAsn> when I get back home
Apr 12 19:49:17 <TAsn> and leave it be when I go to sleep.
Apr 12 19:49:34 <Toaster`> TAsn: I play with it while I'm at work sometimes (lunch, break, etc) so it's no big deal
Apr 12 19:49:54 <TAsn> I meant for dev playing with it ;]
Apr 12 19:50:08 <TAsn> I also "play" with it while at work (read ebooks/surf the web)
Apr 12 19:50:59 <Toaster`> I used to, but my wifi went all flaky of late.
Apr 12 19:50:59 <Toaster`> ewww and the connection at work were a eonderful thing...
Apr 12 19:51:10 <TAsn> ewww?
Apr 12 19:51:14 <TAsn> where from?
Apr 12 19:51:18 <TAsn> dos1, jump him!
Apr 12 19:51:35 <Toaster`> Marco compiled it a while ago
Apr 12 19:51:58 <TAsn> Toaster`, do you by any chance still have the ipks?
Apr 12 19:52:08 <TAsn> Toaster`, who's marco anyway?
Apr 12 19:52:11 <Toaster`> while it doesn't do ssl (at least on the build I used) it's a sweet, sweet browser
Apr 12 19:52:25 <Toaster`> Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Apr 12 19:52:31 <Dave> TREVINO!
Apr 12 19:52:36 <TAsn> Toaster`, oh, no ssl? ;\
Apr 12 19:52:41 <Dave> Is that the same |Marco| ?
Apr 12 19:52:53 <Dave> o_O
Apr 12 19:53:57 <Toaster`> No clue, I found it on the mailing list
Apr 12 19:54:30 <TAsn> Toaster`, http://n2.nabble.com/-OE--Getting-the-curl-based-apps-(Webkit-browsers!)-working-with-HTTPS-td2222337.html
Apr 12 19:54:44 <Gorbusch> have to ask again, since i still found no solution. I try to create openmoko-devel-image with bitbake, but get always "ERROR: Could not inherit file classes/qtopia4core.bbclass while pasing ..." How can i solve this?
Apr 12 19:55:15 <dos1> TAsn: i have ewww too, from Trevino
Apr 12 19:55:19 <dos1> but it's old
Apr 12 19:55:20 <dos1> :P
Apr 12 19:55:27 <TAsn> ;\
Apr 12 19:55:52 <dos1> TAsn: i have played with https too
Apr 12 19:55:57 <TAsn> wait, is this newer or older than eve?
Apr 12 19:56:03 <TAsn> OM wiki says it's older.
Apr 12 19:56:07 <dos1> TAsn: eve is ewww after rebranding ;]
Apr 12 19:56:13 <TAsn> oh.
Apr 12 19:56:15 <TAsn> ok ;]
Apr 12 19:56:36 <dos1> TAsn: i have working https with all webkit browsers...
Apr 12 19:56:39 <dos1> ...except ewww...
Apr 12 19:57:01 <Toaster`> TAsn: that's the one.  I haven't followed it since I installed it, since my wifi refuses to connect any more.
Apr 12 19:57:02 <TAsn> ;[
Apr 12 19:57:24 <PaulFertser> Gorbusch: i guess you don't want that openmoko-devel-image, do you? Build SHR instead ;) Are you trying to build the same Angus is autobuilding?
Apr 12 19:57:34 <Toaster`> ewww ( now eve I gather ) with ssl would be an awesome app though
Apr 12 19:59:30 <TAsn> Toaster`, yeah, though tabs+password manager are also needed.
Apr 12 19:59:46 <TAsn> dos1, lol, it just happened again, I look at the moko and thought it was off.
Apr 12 19:59:46 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 12 19:59:59 <CIA-47> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r37d84504c625 10/openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: fix /etc/resolv.conf spamming
Apr 12 20:00:00 <Toaster`> TAsn: true. 
Apr 12 20:00:00 <TAsn> thanks.
Apr 12 20:00:49 <TAsn> night.
Apr 12 20:02:44 <|Marco|> Toaster`: I'm not the same Marco your talking about
Apr 12 20:03:30 <Toaster`> |Marco|: I never implied that, TAsn was pondering that, but thanks for clearing it up for everyone :)
Apr 12 20:03:38 <|Marco|> :P
Apr 12 20:03:42 <Gorbusch> PaulFertser, you all are using SHR, much different to the OM?
Apr 12 20:03:50 <Dave> MARCO
Apr 12 20:03:56 <|Marco|> I've tryed out ewww myself, it's not bad, just slow :P
Apr 12 20:03:58 <PaulFertser> Gorbusch: not all, i use Debian :)
Apr 12 20:04:07 <|Marco|> Dave: ?
Apr 12 20:04:35 <PaulFertser> Gorbusch: anyway the old qtopia-based OM is not supported by anybody, so OE configuration for that is outdated.
Apr 12 20:05:08 <Toaster`> |Marco|: slower then Dillo, yes, but renders very nicely and quickly for the quality (my subjective opinion)
Apr 12 20:05:21 <Gorbusch> hmm, ok. Then i will try SHR now
Apr 12 20:06:37 <|Marco|> Toaster`: that's true :)
Apr 12 20:08:20 <PaulFertser> Gorbusch: OM2009 images (OE + FSO + Paroli) are autobuilded, so some configuration should be available too.
Apr 12 20:15:35 <TAsn> PaulFertser, I just thought about it.
Apr 12 20:16:00 <TAsn> maybe my wired phone (actually wireless, though home phone) has good echo filtering
Apr 12 20:16:05 <TAsn> and that's why I didn't hear an echo.
Apr 12 20:16:36 <PaulFertser> TAsn: yes, probably.
Apr 12 20:17:11 <TAsn> ;\
Apr 12 20:21:46 <dos1> TAsn: your neo is off! http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2589d208f2d2a36f0307e37070f4953c.png
Apr 12 20:21:46 <dos1> :D
Apr 12 20:22:29 <TAsn> lol.
Apr 12 20:46:58 * bumbl throws the elm layouter at Dave 
Apr 12 21:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone|gone: PaulFertser [2009-04-12 21:01:45] <PaulFertser> TAsn: i think you'll need to somehow enforce half-duplex mode than to avoid echo. Probably by continiously recording and analizing the signals.
Apr 12 21:13:32 <DocScrutinizer> + TAsn : there's a nasty hack to use WM8753 mixer ALC to implement half-duplex
Apr 12 21:14:06 <DocScrutinizer> it's extremely difficult to tune though
Apr 12 21:14:39 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: also see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Neo_FreeRunner_gsm_modem#Eliminating_echo_on_the_non-neo_end_.28far_end.29_of_phone_calls
Apr 12 21:14:46 <ptitjes> mickey|bbq: when you'll be back could you tell me what you want to do with fso's vala git ?
Apr 12 21:15:00 <ptitjes> mickey|bbq: do you want to recreate it ?
Apr 12 21:42:21 <jonquark> This is probably a silly question but when downloading the kernel uImage used in SHR, I notice there's a corresponding modules archive. Aren't the modules on the rootfs?
Apr 12 22:02:46 <mwester> Yes, there are modules on the rootfs
Apr 12 22:08:57 <Toaster`> Anyone out there who can help me with some elementary positioning issues?
Apr 12 22:10:11 * Toaster` listens to the crickets...
Apr 12 22:12:40 <Toaster`> I'm trying to position a label and button within a box and thus: [ <rubber_centered_label> [btn] ]
Apr 12 22:26:50 <Toaster`> Figured it out
Apr 12 22:29:28 <wurp2> Howdy
Apr 12 22:29:49 <wurp2> Anyone here with a gta01 using a recent-ish build?
Apr 12 22:30:30 <wurp2> I'm trying the git119777+6 kernel (downloaded from the SHR downloads site on bearstech) and it hangs on "Starting kernel..."
Apr 12 22:51:08 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0d158bbad410 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py: 
Apr 12 22:51:08 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Send out o.f.GSM.Network.Status after resume
Apr 12 22:51:08 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: When we resume we now immediately query the network status and send a
Apr 12 22:51:08 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Signal. This fixes FSO #248.
Apr 12 22:55:43 <Toaster`> Anyone out there know any details on using the elm hoversel in python?
Apr 13 00:17:21 <Toaster`> ~raster
Apr 13 00:17:26 <Toaster`> ~seen raster
Apr 13 00:17:27 <bzzbot> raster <n=raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 1d 16h 29m 42s ago, saying: 'TAsn: boo'.
Apr 13 00:18:35 <budfive> can anybody field on OE question?
Apr 13 00:20:19 <mwester> budfive:  how would they know if you don't ask your question?
Apr 13 00:20:37 <budfive> mwester: don't want to bother if nobody's listening
Apr 13 00:20:50 <mwester> Ah, but that limits your audience.
Apr 13 00:21:07 <budfive> any idea how OE really decides which version of something to build?
Apr 13 00:21:09 <mwester> Just ask your question, if someone sees it and can help, they'll respond (usually).
Apr 13 00:21:15 <mwester> Yes.
Apr 13 00:21:17 <budfive> I set the SRCREV variable and it isn't heeded
Apr 13 00:21:46 <budfive> it seems to persist even if I remove the sqlite database and let it rebuild it
Apr 13 00:21:52 <mwester> Does the recipe in question use SRCREV?
Apr 13 00:22:02 <budfive> the .bb file does
Apr 13 00:22:43 <mwester> Then something else must be overriding the SRCREV, or the SRCREV does not exist and some default is being chosen... or?
Apr 13 00:22:45 <budfive> i tried looking at the log.* files and it's not obvious from those what it thinks it's doing
Apr 13 00:22:49 <budfive> right
Apr 13 00:22:54 <budfive> i'm testing a theory right now
Apr 13 00:23:03 <mwester> Right, the log files involve the steps, not bitbake.
Apr 13 00:23:17 <mwester> you need to crank up the bitbake verbosity to see what its thinking
Apr 13 00:23:23 <budfive> that's -D? 
Apr 13 00:23:35 <mwester> But if you have specific issues, perhaps sharing those details mibht help.
Apr 13 00:23:36 <budfive> also, the config files all use ?= to set the version
Apr 13 00:23:48 <budfive> that doesn't mean "set it to this if it's not already set, does it?"
Apr 13 00:24:25 <mwester> the ?= means "set if not already set"
Apr 13 00:25:02 <mwester> More than one of those is unpredicatable, so think of it as "?= means set if not already set by the = operator"
Apr 13 00:25:11 <budfive> hmm. the theory was that  my version settings all used ?= and thus were overridden by some previous setting.
Apr 13 00:25:19 <budfive> tried "=" instead. still didn't work
Apr 13 00:25:20 <budfive> grrr
Apr 13 00:25:45 <budfive> so, the master config file is conf/local.conf and everything is included from there?
Apr 13 00:25:47 <mwester> grep for the package name in the config directory tree.
Apr 13 00:25:52 <budfive> or is something else including the local.conf?
Apr 13 00:26:08 <mwester> no, local.conf is your local conf file -- the master conf files are all in the conf tree
Apr 13 00:26:47 <budfive> right. but bitrbake looks at my local.conf and at the master confs independently, or does one include all the others?
Apr 13 00:27:26 <budfive> the local.conf "require"s some important-looking .inc files
Apr 13 00:28:05 <mwester> bitbake uses a complex set of rules to determine what to pull in; it will follow "require" and "include" but the parsing logic also permits it to pull in other files as it does its work.
Apr 13 00:28:23 <mwester> So the config files do not form a nice "include" tree, as they would in C or C++
Apr 13 00:29:09 <budfive> ok.
Apr 13 00:29:34 <budfive> i found a potential place where the wrong version is being set in some file in conf/
Apr 13 00:30:05 <budfive> IT uses ?=, but my setting in local.conf used =, so it should have overridded that setting
Apr 13 00:30:08 <budfive> testing...
Apr 13 00:30:27 <budfive> nope
Apr 13 00:31:01 <Toaster`> Anyone out there know any details on using the elm hoversel in python?  Specifically finding the selected option?
Apr 13 00:31:24 <budfive> how do i clean the bitbake cache? If I do "bitbake package", it's supposed to reread the confs and re-decide on the version to use? That doesn't seem to work
Apr 13 00:53:22 <Toaster`> raster!
Apr 13 00:53:46 <Toaster`> I have an elementary question for you pertaining to HoverSelects
Apr 13 00:54:27 <Toaster`> How does one get an indication as to the selected option in the call back
Apr 13 00:54:34 <mwester> Why, elementary, my dear Watson!
Apr 13 00:54:47 <Toaster`> ... Thanks mwester 
Apr 13 00:55:01 <raster> every item you added has a callback
Apr 13 00:55:06 <raster> as part of the add
Apr 13 00:55:08 <raster> that is called
Apr 13 00:55:34 <Toaster`> correct.  Do they have to be individual callbacks?  I was hoping to use the same one
Apr 13 00:55:44 <raster>    EAPI Elm_Hoversel_Item *elm_hoversel_item_add(Evas_Object *obj, const char *label, const char *icon_file, Elm_Icon_Type icon_type, void (*func) (void *data, Evas_Object *obj, void *event_info), const void *data);
Apr 13 00:56:01 <Toaster`> this is in python, BTW
Apr 13 00:58:09 <raster> oooh
Apr 13 00:58:21 <raster> i have no idea how puthon changes it
Apr 13 00:58:24 <raster> ask those that do the bindings
Apr 13 00:58:35 <Toaster`> I've found all the stuff in C, and that kinda makes sense, but I'm lost as to how it works in python.  I have the callback working fine, but can't sort out how to get the index or whatnot 
Apr 13 00:58:35 <raster> elementary suports a callback per item when you add it
Apr 13 00:58:39 <Toaster`> ahh.
Apr 13 00:58:41 <raster> (for convenience)
Apr 13 00:59:27 <Toaster`> ok, thanks.
Apr 13 01:02:50 <Toaster`> ~seen morphis
Apr 13 01:02:50 <bzzbot> morphis <n=morphis@p548992AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 6h 5m 19s ago, saying: 'byebye everybody'.
Apr 13 01:02:54 <Toaster`> damn
Apr 13 01:29:11 <Dave> rawr
Apr 13 01:29:12 <Dave> hey raster
Apr 13 01:32:04 <raster> Dave: doof!
Apr 13 01:45:25 <Dave> Yes!
Apr 13 02:03:06 <playya> nach müd kommt plöt!!
Apr 13 02:03:18 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r07b0b40d7b71 10/tests/dtest/ (dbus_test.py fsotest.py testloader.py tests/sample.py): dtest: Add more infrastructure for high level DBus testing
Apr 13 02:03:47 <alphaone> playya: That's why I'm going to bed now
Apr 13 02:03:50 <alphaone> night
Apr 13 02:06:15 <playya> good night daniel
Apr 13 02:07:33 <playya> raster, do you have an IP/screenshot of the australian censorship HP?
Apr 13 02:08:44 <raster> playya:  ummm.. no
Apr 13 02:10:49 <raster> any reason i'd have that?
Apr 13 02:11:57 <raster> (personalyl i think this whole censorship thing is stupid and its simply a vector for the govt to fors its will on censoring anythnig it likes - and claims amca is independant i think are stupid as historically no such arrangment has ever been independant. if the minister comes and yells at the amca - they do as they are told)
Apr 13 02:13:07 <playya> do you use independant DNS providers?
Apr 13 02:13:51 <playya> because " https://scusiblog.org/?p=976 " asked id he's still recheable from australia
Apr 13 02:14:14 <playya> s/id/if
Apr 13 02:15:50 <playya> and you are one of the guys/girls who can understand who's talking about
Apr 13 02:17:22 <playya_> no... missed the important things
Apr 13 02:21:55 <raster> i can see that page
Apr 13 02:22:00 <raster> my isp is IINET
Apr 13 02:22:06 <Toaster`> Success!
Apr 13 02:22:18 <raster> and IINEt has strongly opposed the internet censorship the govt wants to bring in
Apr 13 02:22:22 <raster> it still isnt in yet
Apr 13 02:27:26 <rozzin> Don't suppose there are any SHR devs around this late, are there?
Apr 13 02:27:44 <playya_> ok. thank you and good night raster
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