**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 21 02:59:57 2009 Apr 21 07:17:24 morning Apr 21 07:27:40 mickey? Apr 21 07:28:24 emmentaler: too early for mickey Apr 21 07:28:27 ;) Apr 21 07:29:36 ok .. will try it later :-) Apr 21 07:30:21 emmentaler: But maybe someone else could help you? Apr 21 07:31:30 no, i do not think so.. @openexpo berne, i talked to mickey about supporting CSD-calls with fso Apr 21 07:31:49 i dont think that someone else already did it.. Apr 21 07:31:57 i don't think so Apr 21 07:32:21 christopher street day? Apr 21 07:33:12 emmentaler: is this to encrypt voice calls? Apr 21 07:34:24 yes.. Apr 21 07:34:28 100 points Apr 21 07:35:25 the stuff works pretty good on two pcs using a serial null modem connection Apr 21 07:35:36 we would now like to move to the mokos Apr 21 07:35:52 so calling would be great :-) Apr 21 07:36:42 uhm!! interesting!! but with the GSM network it's possible? Apr 21 07:37:09 i tough that it wasn't due to GPRS speed, but maybe i'm wrong Apr 21 07:37:37 GPRS!=CSD-Call Apr 21 07:37:53 ok, i get it :) Apr 21 07:37:58 (more or less) Apr 21 07:38:02 stuff? Apr 21 07:38:11 gprs --> packets, csd-call --> data call Apr 21 07:39:07 stuff==voice->codec->encryption->tx->rx->decrypt->codec->speaker Apr 21 07:39:11 ..more or less.. Apr 21 07:39:43 we will open the sources, once we are on a level that is able to "survive" Apr 21 07:39:51 moo Apr 21 07:40:47 did you see the things mickeyl said about changing bearer? Apr 21 07:41:23 and how baud is reported? Apr 21 07:41:43 raster: hey... how's down under? Apr 21 07:43:56 mrmoku: boo! all good Apr 21 07:44:00 raster: familiar with gentoo pkging for e17? Apr 21 07:44:06 i'm getting my bum together for europe fun-times Apr 21 07:44:06 raster: I have one question for you ;) Apr 21 07:44:13 tmzt: unfortunately.. not Apr 21 07:44:48 raster: I see a difference in positioning of layouts when using elementary... compared to using edje direct Apr 21 07:45:07 linwizard is working on a release and looking to get efl supported Apr 21 07:45:47 mrmoku: hmm - shouldnt. elementary doesnt fiddle with anything inside the edge at all beyond doign the swallows for u Apr 21 07:45:57 setting the min/max size hints for u if u swallow elm widgets Apr 21 07:45:59 etc. Apr 21 07:46:13 tmzt: well we are about to do a snapshot. Apr 21 07:46:21 cool Apr 21 07:46:23 tmzt, what do you mean with changing bearer? baud is 9600 due to csd-call Apr 21 07:46:24 raster: if you look closely at your tests app... the layout test... I have the feeling it is not centered as it should be Apr 21 07:46:28 might help Apr 21 07:46:46 debian, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva and opensuse packages are in the pipeline for the snap Apr 21 07:46:53 it should hapen i9n the next 24hrs Apr 21 07:46:54 there's also om-gentoo with gta focus Apr 21 07:46:58 not sure how long packages will lag Apr 21 07:47:13 but i dont see a problem with gentoo ebuilds using the snap too Apr 21 07:47:26 snap? Apr 21 07:47:30 oh Apr 21 07:47:30 and if I use elm_layout_set in the shr dialer all is shifted upwards... toolbar size Apr 21 07:47:54 mrmoku: what isnt centered? Apr 21 07:48:42 its 1 pixel off Apr 21 07:48:48 raster: the elementary layout test... the button in the middle... if i understand the edc correctly it should be centered Apr 21 07:48:51 thats'll be a rounding error for the but button at the bottom Apr 21 07:49:00 the middle @ the bottom? Apr 21 07:49:31 (and thats because its 293 pixels - at 294 wide if i resize by 1 - it is exactly centeed to the pixel) Apr 21 07:49:37 i've checked with xmag Apr 21 07:49:41 the left and right padding matches Apr 21 07:49:54 raster: well can't check right now... I'm at work. Will try to do some screenshots later... Apr 21 07:50:39 hmm Apr 21 07:50:42 well looking here Apr 21 07:50:44 but get me screenies Apr 21 07:50:55 but here.. its 100% centered right (given 1 pixel off for rounding) Apr 21 07:52:51 raster: well middled... top/bottom not left/right Apr 21 07:53:19 (centered was wrong term probably...) Apr 21 07:56:50 hmm Apr 21 07:57:02 vertically it isnt meant to tbe centered Apr 21 07:57:50 rel1 { Apr 21 07:57:50 relative: 0.1 0.7; Apr 21 07:57:54 rel2 { Apr 21 07:57:54 relative: 0.9 0.9; Apr 21 07:58:01 (thats element3 - the button at the bottom) Apr 21 07:58:09 vertically betwene 0.7 and 0.9 Apr 21 08:14:04 raster: I'm talking about Button 2 (element2) Apr 21 08:14:07 rel1 { Apr 21 08:14:07 relative: 0.6 0.3; Apr 21 08:14:07 } Apr 21 08:14:07 rel2 { Apr 21 08:14:09 relative: 0.9 0.5; Apr 21 08:14:10 } Apr 21 08:14:25 thats also not centered in any way Apr 21 08:14:31 0.3 -> 0.5 vertically Apr 21 08:14:31 the 0.5 in rel2 means that the buttom right corner is in the middle, no? Apr 21 08:14:47 yes Apr 21 08:15:12 and if I measure with my fat finger ;) it is only if I include the topbar Apr 21 08:16:54 allowing that the button has a few pixels of paddint Apr 21 08:17:25 (like 2 pixels) Apr 21 08:17:53 including a shadoed pixel Apr 21 08:18:31 that pits the bottom pixel of the button at 196 pixels from the to Apr 21 08:18:40 the window is 394 pixels high Apr 21 08:18:42 you do the math Apr 21 08:18:43 :) Apr 21 08:19:02 hmm... measuring more acurately with a piece of paper and a pen... you're right... looks correct Apr 21 08:19:05 it @ 196 pixels Apr 21 08:19:10 i.e. Apr 21 08:19:14 heheh Apr 21 08:19:26 have to revisit my dialer problem then :( Apr 21 08:19:27 i have been pretty sure of it being right Apr 21 08:19:36 i seriusly doubt the math suddenly stuffs up like that Apr 21 08:19:37 :) Apr 21 08:19:48 thought I could have passing the fault up on you ;) Apr 21 08:20:49 :-P Apr 21 08:21:08 you need to get past my anti-blame coating first! Apr 21 08:21:12 my coating is really thick Apr 21 08:21:13 :) Apr 21 08:25:38 :-) Apr 21 08:25:45 * mrmoku moves to home office Apr 21 08:25:46 bbiab Apr 21 08:52:13 FSOSHR'09 are there already open seats ? or is the limit of 20 seats reached ? Apr 21 08:52:14 are we still pulling in all locales? Apr 21 08:53:03 I wish eflvala would allow me to use an Evas Object Apr 21 08:53:21 there is no Elm object that displays graphics based on in-memory data? Apr 21 08:53:40 they (e.g. photom, Icon), all take a file path string Apr 21 08:54:18 pwgen: limit is reached... two seats are not finally confirmed though (due to visa) Apr 21 08:54:55 spaetz: the joy of bindings.. when they just dont expose features already there Apr 21 08:55:14 damm Apr 21 08:55:41 raster: what would I need? a Smart_Eva_object? Apr 21 08:55:55 that would allow me to display a home-made barchart, right? Apr 21 08:56:30 not experienced in creating vala-bindings but it seems straightforward-enough so I could try it Apr 21 08:56:50 is it posible to add a Smart_evas object into an Elementary window? Apr 21 08:57:01 should be, ... Apr 21 08:57:32 spaetz: just an evas image object Apr 21 08:57:50 you can get and set the rgba pixel data Apr 21 08:57:54 ok, thanks. will looking into adding that to the bindings then Apr 21 08:57:57 cool Apr 21 08:58:01 that would be enough Apr 21 08:58:15 theres even a esmart cairo object Apr 21 08:58:18 that does this for u Apr 21 08:58:23 ahh? Apr 21 08:58:23 (or u can look at the code for it) Apr 21 08:58:29 cool, I want to use cairo anyway Apr 21 08:58:33 efl doesnt rule out cairo Apr 21 08:58:38 so that would even be better Apr 21 08:58:42 just use it sparingly for when you absolutely need vector stuff Apr 21 08:58:53 see semart Apr 21 08:58:55 its in e svn Apr 21 08:58:59 esmart_cairo Apr 21 08:59:02 its easy to bind the 2 together Apr 21 08:59:09 : any chance to get a 21te seat ? Apr 21 08:59:12 thanks for the hint, will have a look Apr 21 09:04:59 pwgen: well... don't think so... but you would have to talk with stefan schmidt about it... but IIRC the 20 seats is strictly imposed by the size of the room... Apr 21 09:05:10 well Apr 21 09:05:15 well Apr 21 09:05:20 well Apr 21 09:05:20 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:05:25 well Apr 21 09:05:25 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:05:31 well Apr 21 09:05:31 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:05:31 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:05:36 well Apr 21 09:05:36 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:05:37 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:05:41 well Apr 21 09:05:41 spammer Apr 21 09:05:43 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:05:43 :) Apr 21 09:05:45 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:05:49 well Apr 21 09:05:51 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:05:52 SPAMMER Apr 21 09:05:53 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:05:53 * mrmoku wonders if dos1 has some problems today :P Apr 21 09:05:57 well Apr 21 09:05:59 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:01 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:05 well Apr 21 09:06:05 someone kick dos1 Apr 21 09:06:07 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:09 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:13 well Apr 21 09:06:15 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:17 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:18 irc client gone mad? Apr 21 09:06:21 well Apr 21 09:06:23 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:25 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:29 or dos1 drunk ;) Apr 21 09:06:29 well Apr 21 09:06:31 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:33 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:34 cat laying on keyboard? Apr 21 09:06:37 well Apr 21 09:06:39 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:41 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:45 well Apr 21 09:06:45 any admins in here? Apr 21 09:06:47 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:49 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:06:53 HAHAH Apr 21 09:06:53 well Apr 21 09:06:54 mrmoku: or both :) Apr 21 09:06:55 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:06:56 spaetz: we don't have admins Apr 21 09:06:57 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:07:01 well Apr 21 09:07:03 my bootsplash works well with loglevel=8 Apr 21 09:07:05 it's just overwriten by kernel messages :) Apr 21 09:07:06 NO admin in this channel? Apr 21 09:07:09 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:10 how can that be? Apr 21 09:07:11 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:13 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:15 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:17 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:19 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:21 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:23 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:24 ohh, he changed the tune Apr 21 09:07:25 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:27 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:29 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:30 pwgen: iirc 20 is the recommended maximum, not strict. Apr 21 09:07:31 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:32 lol Apr 21 09:07:34 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:35 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:39 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:39 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:41 dos1: /quit now! :) Apr 21 09:07:44 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:44 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:46 dos1: just reconnect!! Apr 21 09:07:50 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:50 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:07:55 hmm? Apr 21 09:07:55 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:00 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:00 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:01 dos1: you won't get any help either Apr 21 09:08:05 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:05 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:10 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:10 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:15 /ignore dos1 Apr 21 09:08:15 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:15 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:21 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:21 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:26 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:26 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:31 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:31 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:35 dos1: pls just disconnect -.- Apr 21 09:08:36 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:36 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:40 JaMa: do not forget to cancel ignore, he's not spammer, he's one of the devs Apr 21 09:08:41 Are you threatening me? Apr 21 09:08:41 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:41 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:46 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:46 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:52 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:52 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:08:57 hmm? Apr 21 09:08:57 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:02 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:02 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:07 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:07 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:12 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:12 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:18 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:18 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:20 spaetz: there're admins, but they ask chanserv for privileges whenever needed. Apr 21 09:09:23 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:23 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:28 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:28 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:33 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:33 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:38 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:38 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:43 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:43 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:44 /ignore dos1 Apr 21 09:09:47 mickey|dinner: alphaone shoragan roh please kick dos1, he's spamming the channel. Apr 21 09:09:48 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:48 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:54 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:54 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:09:54 PaulFertser: thx Apr 21 09:09:59 hmm? Apr 21 09:09:59 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:01 PaulFertser: Sorry, only mickey|dinner is admin afaik Apr 21 09:10:04 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:04 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:09 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:09 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:14 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:14 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:19 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:19 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:24 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:24 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:25 You don't get the point? Apr 21 09:10:27 You don't get the point? Apr 21 09:10:30 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:30 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:35 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:35 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:40 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:40 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:43 ohh no. now Ainulindale starts as well :) Apr 21 09:10:45 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:45 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:46 PaulFertser: Also he seems to be logged in through some web proxy Apr 21 09:10:50 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:50 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:52 Does he usually do that? Apr 21 09:10:53 * spaetz is glad that ignore works well Apr 21 09:10:55 hmm? Apr 21 09:10:55 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:10:57 somone.. is using that damn mibbit crap Apr 21 09:10:58 alphaone: i guess now everybody's convinced that all shr and FSO devs should get admin here :) Apr 21 09:11:01 hmm? Apr 21 09:11:01 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:11:06 hmm? Apr 21 09:11:06 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:11:10 yep, we need more admins Apr 21 09:11:12 finally :) Apr 21 09:11:13 Hooray! :) Apr 21 09:11:20 or take down mibbit :) Apr 21 09:11:28 Admins here? Apr 21 09:11:31 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:11:33 hrhr Apr 21 09:11:34 i've seen mibbit do that 3 times now Apr 21 09:11:39 You mean as in IRC admins? Apr 21 09:11:41 * spaetz slaps tobii_ Apr 21 09:11:45 yep Apr 21 09:11:45 :/ Apr 21 09:11:46 Already asked that to mickey|dinner Apr 21 09:11:48 Problem is Apr 21 09:11:48 if we had enough internet-connected freerunners, we could just flood mibbit out of the net ;) Apr 21 09:11:50 as in irc admins Apr 21 09:11:56 Ainulindale: yes Apr 21 09:11:57 As long as this channel is tied to OM Apr 21 09:11:58 hmm? Apr 21 09:11:58 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:11:59 We can't Apr 21 09:12:05 hmm? Apr 21 09:12:06 i don't get the point :x Apr 21 09:12:07 We need to rename it. Apr 21 09:12:09 oh no Apr 21 09:12:11 NOOOOOO! Apr 21 09:12:25 Ainulindale: you need to rename what? Apr 21 09:12:25 what about #openmoko-devel ;-) Apr 21 09:12:28 om-cdevel Apr 21 09:12:37 Why? Apr 21 09:12:39 or even better om-dev Apr 21 09:12:41 just start a new channel Apr 21 09:12:43 nah Apr 21 09:12:43 yeah Apr 21 09:12:59 * CM_work has to use mibbit :( Apr 21 09:13:02 but in this case.. we just need more ops who can kick/ban people if they use clients that do bad things (tm) al lthe time Apr 21 09:13:11 or, if someone thinks about flooding, just flood that IP: 530fad5a Apr 21 09:13:13 I run irssi usually, but all ports are blocked here at work Apr 21 09:13:15 I like to kick ban, I'm all for that. Apr 21 09:13:16 ops is what I mean when I said more IRC admins Apr 21 09:13:25 I don't get the point. Why not get IRC op here for every dev? Apr 21 09:13:41 PaulFertser: Sounds as a great idea :-) Apr 21 09:13:46 we dont have a single op Apr 21 09:13:47 By the way PaulFertser Apr 21 09:13:47 thats bad Apr 21 09:13:55 I might go to Moscow this summer, will you be there? Apr 21 09:14:01 raster: we do, it's should be ChanServ. Apr 21 09:14:07 Ainulindale: btw... i have my europe trip planned now Apr 21 09:14:10 Nice :-) Apr 21 09:14:16 _ ___ Apr 21 09:14:16 | |__ _ __ ___ _ __ ___|__ \ Apr 21 09:14:16 | '_ \| '_ ` _ \| '_ ` _ \ / / Apr 21 09:14:16 | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_| Apr 21 09:14:18 |_| |_|_| |_| |_|_| |_| |_(_) Apr 21 09:14:21 Apr 21 09:14:23 Toster: Don't you get the point? Apr 21 09:14:32 * Ainulindale whistles and flees Apr 21 09:14:32 Ainulindale: yep. Apr 21 09:14:45 PaulFertser: Then I hope we'll be able to share a beer :-) Apr 21 09:14:56 What was that? I was from Mibbit here many times before Apr 21 09:14:58 i'll be arriving in frankfurt on the 17th - go to braunschweig then berlin, then essen for fsoshrcon Apr 21 09:15:03 and then... on from there Apr 21 09:15:09 paris after that Apr 21 09:15:22 will you be coming back with us? Apr 21 09:15:25 no Zurich? Apr 21 09:15:26 Ainulindale: sure :) I'd be nice to meet you here :) Apr 21 09:15:30 It was spamming channel? Apr 21 09:15:41 dos1: horribly Apr 21 09:15:51 dos1: yes Apr 21 09:16:06 you don't get the point dos1 Apr 21 09:16:08 :D Apr 21 09:16:09 dos1: we were in the desperate need for some channel op to kick you :P Apr 21 09:16:10 Sorry... Didn't know that Apr 21 09:16:21 dos1: Well we almost mistook you for ptitjes :-) Apr 21 09:16:43 Ainulindale: i'll be happy to catch a ride with you to paris Apr 21 09:16:54 raster: To ride me or to ride with me? Apr 21 09:16:57 now i need to sort out where to sleep in gay paris :) Apr 21 09:16:59 dos1: btw. I pushed the stuff Apr 21 09:17:10 spaetz: i'll be doing .ch after paris Apr 21 09:17:16 raster: Already told you, my home is open although it won't be *that* comfortable Apr 21 09:17:20 spaetz: i plan berne and i probably will check out zurich too Apr 21 09:17:40 cool, if you need someone to drink a beer with in Zurich, let me know Apr 21 09:17:43 raster: and you would have to hitchhike wifi from Ainulindale's neighbours ;) Apr 21 09:17:54 mrmoku: where? Apr 21 09:18:08 mrmoku: nope, my connection has been activated today it seems Apr 21 09:18:12 Ainulindale: if there's a couch and a bathroom (with a shower), i'm happy :) Apr 21 09:18:15 at least the DSL line has been built Apr 21 09:18:25 raster: there's even an extra matress Apr 21 09:18:30 (and a powerpoint) Apr 21 09:18:47 a powerpoint? Apr 21 09:18:51 mrmoku: hahahha Apr 21 09:18:55 Oh Apr 21 09:19:01 Ainulindale: :-) Apr 21 09:19:12 Ainulindale: excellent. thats all fine by me. Apr 21 09:19:15 I saw logs Apr 21 09:19:25 dos1: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 Apr 21 09:19:32 Fuck*ng mibbit ;x Apr 21 09:19:44 if Ainulindale refreshes my memory how to do stuff as git on the buildhost... I will export it Apr 21 09:20:42 Ainulindale: should i bring some australian wine for you... to save you from that french stuff you drink? :) Apr 21 09:20:56 actually.. might be a bit hard. Apr 21 09:21:05 i'm going via singapore and korea... Apr 21 09:21:07 raster: I'd be glad, even though I know it 'll be crap :-) Apr 21 09:21:12 HAHAHAHHAHAHA Apr 21 09:21:23 you know it'll be awesome. Apr 21 09:21:28 aussie wine rocks. Apr 21 09:21:42 :) Apr 21 09:23:29 Yeah it depends on which Apr 21 09:23:59 i'll see Apr 21 09:24:06 if not i'll stock up on koala's Apr 21 09:24:11 they're small and light Apr 21 09:24:27 I don't get the point ;x Apr 21 09:24:32 Oh I'd love to get a koala Apr 21 09:24:34 ;D Apr 21 09:24:49 Ok, leaving now Apr 21 09:24:52 alphaone, mickey|dinner: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/363#comment:3 Apr 21 09:24:55 Bye Apr 21 09:24:58 Bye Apr 21 09:25:01 Bye Apr 21 09:25:06 /kick DocScrutinizer Apr 21 09:25:07 etc. ;) Apr 21 09:25:08 woops Apr 21 09:25:14 /kick dos1 Apr 21 09:25:21 (but kick DocScrutinizer nonetheless) Apr 21 09:25:24 * mrmoku wonders if Ainulindale would not be a good channel op ;) Apr 21 09:25:39 mrmoku: well, how could I say Apr 21 09:25:46 no, the channel would be empty all the time :) Apr 21 09:25:48 I used to be known as a slithery fascist Apr 21 09:26:00 When I was admin of the french bash.org mirror Apr 21 09:26:18 Ainulindale: i'll stuff some in my suitcase :) Apr 21 09:26:27 That's back when I developed this semi-bayesian bot to detect/ban "lol" & such Apr 21 09:26:30 raster: Good :-) Apr 21 09:27:53 raster: I hope you'll understand afterwards why ptitjes is getting on my nerves sometimes :-p Apr 21 09:28:06 in what way? Apr 21 09:28:21 well he just won't shut the fuck up :-) Apr 21 09:28:24 anything that can't be solved with beer? Apr 21 09:28:27 hahahaha Apr 21 09:28:30 in real life? Apr 21 09:28:31 nah it gets worse with beer Apr 21 09:28:37 HAHAHAHAH Apr 21 09:28:39 well Apr 21 09:28:44 he just throws too many ideas Apr 21 09:28:51 ideas are good. Apr 21 09:28:59 (thinking their all "original" and "the best") Apr 21 09:29:03 (I'm not saying this is bad) Apr 21 09:29:06 but you should think them through first before mouth gets turned on Apr 21 09:29:12 (Just that sometimes he thinks others didn't think about it :-) ) Apr 21 09:29:15 few ideas are original Apr 21 09:29:30 Well anyway, I wasn't criticizing Apr 21 09:29:32 the problem is.. who will actually DO it Apr 21 09:29:33 he's doing a great job Apr 21 09:29:35 ideas are cheap Apr 21 09:29:37 Just that sometimes he's a real pain Apr 21 09:29:38 doing stuff is hard Apr 21 09:29:46 We can't rebuild the world each and every time Apr 21 09:29:52 good if people do stuff Apr 21 09:29:54 I'd like some of SHR devs to get that :-p Apr 21 09:29:56 i like doing Apr 21 09:30:04 hehehehe Apr 21 09:30:08 true Apr 21 09:30:11 First, stand & deliver, then improve :-) Apr 21 09:31:03 i need myself a new hdd for my lappy Apr 21 09:32:32 http://www.pastebin.ca/1398075 Apr 21 09:32:39 methinks them say some bad things Apr 21 09:33:39 i might give that intel x25-m a go... Apr 21 09:43:19 too many things pre-fail Apr 21 09:45:23 raster: Hmmm Apr 21 09:45:26 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 024 Pre-fail Always - 8589934592000 Apr 21 09:45:36 this looks slightly strange.. Apr 21 09:47:03 raster: Maybe you should smartctl -t long to check the complete hd Apr 21 09:47:14 i did Apr 21 09:47:45 it only supports short check Apr 21 09:48:10 oh sorry Apr 21 09:48:12 only long Apr 21 09:48:17 alphaone: hey :-) Apr 21 09:48:21 did you see my hilight? Apr 21 09:48:23 Ainulindale: hi there Apr 21 09:48:24 i was getting dma errors Apr 21 09:48:33 Ainulindale: yeah, tried to login in order to comment Apr 21 09:48:40 your trac doesn't like me.. Apr 21 09:48:45 peh :-) Apr 21 09:50:29 http://www.pastebin.ca/1398085 Apr 21 09:50:31 thats... not happy Apr 21 09:51:08 raster: Ouch Apr 21 09:51:15 Back up your data... Apr 21 09:51:20 aye Apr 21 09:51:23 sdata backed up Apr 21 09:51:25 what do I pass evas_object_image_add ? Apr 21 09:51:25 already Apr 21 09:51:32 it takes Evas *e as para Apr 21 09:51:34 spaetz: canvas Apr 21 09:51:37 the Evas parent object? Apr 21 09:51:40 no Apr 21 09:51:41 the canvas Apr 21 09:51:45 elm doesnt use it directly Apr 21 09:51:46 canvas, ok Apr 21 09:51:50 u can get the evas from any object Apr 21 09:51:58 evas_object_evas_get(obj); Apr 21 09:52:07 ok, that I have seen, thanks Apr 21 09:52:17 alphaone: methinks i need a new hdd before i go and travel for > 1month Apr 21 09:52:28 i think i might try the intel x25-m Apr 21 09:52:39 that's the ssd? Apr 21 09:52:43 just so i dont have a spinning magnetic disk to worry about crashing anymore Apr 21 09:52:45 yeah Apr 21 09:52:49 the new intel ssd Apr 21 09:52:59 basically the one that actually performs well Apr 21 09:53:04 How big is it? Apr 21 09:53:08 2.5" Apr 21 09:53:09 And how much does it cost? Apr 21 09:53:13 u can get 80 or 160g Apr 21 09:53:14 Haha! Apr 21 09:53:29 the x25-m is the lower end one Apr 21 09:53:35 half the write speed of the x25-e Apr 21 09:53:46 okay Apr 21 09:56:45 http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/thessdanthology_031809001858/18668.png Apr 21 09:56:59 the last 2 are normal spinning hdd's Apr 21 09:57:25 it's an expensive sucker Apr 21 09:57:35 about 400eur Apr 21 09:58:11 unless there is a cheaper one with decent performance... Apr 21 09:59:36 alphaone: do you want anything else than the money for postage for fixing the buzz? Apr 21 10:00:53 Azog: Nope Apr 21 10:01:25 alphaone: do you get the components for free? Apr 21 10:02:53 Yes, I have a bunch of them here Apr 21 10:03:13 alphaone: interesting mail on the shr-devel ML Apr 21 10:03:14 not bad Apr 21 10:03:16 Still waiting for the devices from OM, though Apr 21 10:03:32 Ainulindale: Which one? Apr 21 10:03:40 "SMS lost when offline" Apr 21 10:06:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luf6ZepNY6o <= nice :-) Apr 21 10:07:50 Ainulindale: How do you handle SMS in SHR? Apr 21 10:08:32 Whaddayamean? Apr 21 10:08:37 We use the SIM thing Apr 21 10:09:26 Well anyway I've got to go to eat Apr 21 10:09:30 Will tell you later on :-) Apr 21 10:10:10 okay Apr 21 10:13:59 Ainulindale: thinking of making a little Ainulindale to help us with coding perhaps? :p Apr 21 10:30:33 alphaone: we do RetrieveMessagebook("read") to fill the list (which might be wrong) Apr 21 10:30:46 mrmoku: Oh Apr 21 10:30:58 mrmoku: New messages are in "unread" Apr 21 10:31:15 yeah... looks like plain stupidness on SHR side :P Apr 21 11:00:47 mrmoku: are you sure about that? Apr 21 11:01:01 mrmoku: Last thing I remember we used RetrieveMessagebook("all") Apr 21 11:03:17 Lusers are mailing me directly without Cc'ing the list. Will they ever learn? Are they the ones I/we should care about at all? Apr 21 11:04:03 Don't be as cranky as me will you? :-) Apr 21 11:04:24 PaulFertser: Right, that's ainu's job :-) Apr 21 11:04:49 And mwester's! Apr 21 11:05:07 Please give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar :-) Apr 21 11:06:12 Easier said than done Apr 21 11:07:43 Ainulindale: just checked the source Apr 21 11:08:15 And it's read? Apr 21 11:08:19 alphaone: would all be correct? Apr 21 11:08:22 Ainulindale: yep Apr 21 11:08:29 Ok could you fix push it? Apr 21 11:08:33 mrmoku: by the way for git Apr 21 11:08:42 you just have to edit the repositories file in the git home Apr 21 11:08:45 and set the perms Apr 21 11:08:52 and also put the update hook Apr 21 11:08:56 (to see commits) Apr 21 11:08:58 mrmoku: All will also return the sent and unsent messages Apr 21 11:09:06 So if you want that - yes Apr 21 11:09:14 Ainulindale: do we want that? :P Apr 21 11:09:28 Ainulindale: my git problem was to get git user in first place Apr 21 11:09:42 can't remember if it was su, sudo or something else Apr 21 11:10:22 sudo -u git bash Apr 21 11:10:26 sudo -u git -H bash even Apr 21 11:10:34 mrmoku: You can also just request all and ignore the ones with category (un)sent Apr 21 11:10:38 ahh... -u git was what I forgot about... thanks Apr 21 11:10:43 Or request read as well as unread Apr 21 11:11:04 Well, seems right to me to request all Apr 21 11:11:13 Then we'll see what we can do with directories Apr 21 11:11:21 ok... that's easy then :-) Apr 21 11:11:35 Yeah, quick & dirty fix but still Apr 21 11:14:19 how can i enable nDL to do some #1024 traces?` Apr 21 11:14:32 mickeyl: hey o/ Apr 21 11:14:38 SHR: 03mok 07sh * rc364119dfbd7 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/util/window.c: phonegui-efl: use correct elm_ API to swallow widgets into a layout Apr 21 11:14:38 SHR: 03mok 07sh * r2ce066c9b545 10/ophonekitd/src/ophonekitd-main.c: ophonekitd: retry in 10s on unknown dbus error Apr 21 11:14:39 SHR: 03mok 07sh * r6195d3a3eb14 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/ (7 files): phonegui-efl: remove all unnecessary calls to window_unswallow Apr 21 11:14:40 SHR: 03mok 07sh * rd304813472cc 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/ (contact-edit-view.c message-new-view.c): phonegui-efl: use window_swallow again Apr 21 11:14:43 SHR: 03mok 07sh * rcfdb2534a037 10/ (114 files in 25 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr Apr 21 11:14:48 SHR: 03mok 07sh * r1f2ce954d708 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/message-list-view.c: messages: request all messages and not just read ones Apr 21 11:14:51 sh? Apr 21 11:15:00 ptitjes: hey Apr 21 11:15:11 huh? Apr 21 11:15:16 ptitjes: my talk about SHR architecture, ideas behind the GUI thing plus community organization is lacking Apr 21 11:15:18 hello Apr 21 11:15:48 didn't you add it ? Apr 21 11:16:05 I don't recall Apr 21 11:16:07 grrr I think I forgot something with grub Apr 21 11:17:03 mrmoku: bump rev for unstable/testing I'd say :-) Apr 21 11:17:08 Ainulindale: am I supposed to do something else than emerge grub and modifying grub conf file ? Apr 21 11:17:14 grub-install yes Apr 21 11:17:19 stupid me Apr 21 11:17:26 yes, kind of =) Apr 21 11:17:29 ok got to reboot see soon Apr 21 11:17:31 pffffff Apr 21 11:17:37 read the man ptitjes Apr 21 11:17:48 mickeyl: Is it J6 by any chance? Apr 21 11:18:00 yeah Apr 21 11:18:09 works with sysfs as well as i just fonud Apr 21 11:18:21 hell of noise emitting through the loudspeaker Apr 21 11:18:35 Yup, can possibly even destroy it :) Apr 21 11:18:57 oh well Apr 21 11:20:16 Ainulindale: bumping the rev is needed? thought if the git source is changed it actually would not be needed? Apr 21 11:21:18 anyway... have to eat now... will do it after Apr 21 11:24:12 ok, tracing the recamping Apr 21 11:24:21 lets hope it will tell Dieter anything... Apr 21 11:24:28 oh the noises... Apr 21 11:24:33 mrmoku: for testing yes it's necessary Apr 21 11:24:36 not PR, the rev in autorev Apr 21 11:24:52 Meanwhile I'm checking this locale issue Apr 21 11:27:14 heyho Apr 21 11:27:31 Hey morphis o/ Apr 21 11:34:44 ok, tracing done. oh the silence :D Apr 21 11:36:23 mickeyl: hey if you have five minutes again Apr 21 11:36:32 if you could review image & tasks, I'd be glad :-) Apr 21 11:37:32 ok, will try to find time today Apr 21 11:37:52 Thanks :-) Apr 21 11:43:42 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r279d841c1f24 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: shr.bbclass: Fixed SRCREV ommited during preceding commit. Apr 21 11:45:03 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r279d841c1f24 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: shr.bbclass: Fixed SRCREV ommited during preceding commit. Apr 21 11:45:05 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r211017576577 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) Apr 21 11:50:48 Damn me. Apr 21 11:51:42 * raster sends Ainulindale to hell Apr 21 11:51:50 and dont collect $200 Apr 21 11:55:12 Meh. Apr 21 11:56:43 Seems my class isn't taken into account Apr 21 11:56:45 What did I do this time. Apr 21 11:57:31 Pffff. Am I dumb. Apr 21 11:57:37 (Undoubtably) Apr 21 11:59:10 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r3674bed94de8 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: Revert "shr.bbclass: Fixed SRCREV ommited during preceding commit." as this is a dumb commit. Apr 21 11:59:13 yoyo Apr 21 11:59:21 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r8296bf92344f 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: Revert "shr.bbclass: Fixed SRCREV ommited during preceding commit." Apr 21 12:06:20 wtf Apr 21 12:06:43 my frameworkd.log is too big to upload to the fso trac Apr 21 12:06:50 that's kinda stupid... Apr 21 12:07:16 mickeyl: do you guys prefer something like pastebin then? Apr 21 12:07:26 mickeyl: or should i try to host is somewhere on the net? Apr 21 12:09:14 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r8296bf92344f 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: Revert "shr.bbclass: Fixed SRCREV ommited during preceding commit." Apr 21 12:09:15 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r1a964ae61720 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (10 files): shr/* bb recipes. Properly fixed SRCREVS. Corrected some idiocy. Apr 21 12:09:16 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r3592e5b79254 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) Apr 21 12:09:16 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r1a964ae61720 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (10 files): shr/* bb recipes. Properly fixed SRCREVS. Corrected some idiocy. Apr 21 12:09:53 Nah. Better that way. Apr 21 12:11:17 alphaone, mickeyl Apr 21 12:11:23 Do you s till have this hook with the branch name? Apr 21 12:11:30 Would be less confusing I think Apr 21 12:11:55 mrmoku: I don't understand how certain people have all the binary locales in their task Apr 21 12:11:59 I checked the rdepends, it's not there Apr 21 12:12:08 I was wondering if they built it themselves Apr 21 12:12:18 By the way, why did you removed the binary locale generation? Apr 21 12:12:23 Ainulindale: flashing the last unstable offered me lots of locales :_) Apr 21 12:12:41 don't remember right now... Apr 21 12:13:27 mrmoku: That's mightily weird Apr 21 12:14:20 It shouldn't Apr 21 12:15:29 But yeah, there's that in the control file. Apr 21 12:17:25 mrmoku: awesome! locales are geeewd! Apr 21 12:17:35 Can't understand why... Apr 21 12:18:05 for crazy french people to see text in the ui their phones.. in french! :) Apr 21 12:18:06 Conf is the same. Apr 21 12:18:06 :) Apr 21 12:18:28 oh why it builds locales you mean Apr 21 12:18:33 not why locales are good? Apr 21 12:18:55 Wooooh damn I know why I think. Apr 21 12:18:58 oooh that's dumb. Apr 21 12:19:40 mrmoku: check task-shr-minimal line 17 Apr 21 12:19:45 And tell me how this var will get here. Apr 21 12:22:07 Ainulindale: hmm... its a commit from me on 18 Jan... Apr 21 12:22:21 By the way some patch is failing to apply in testing (otimed) Apr 21 12:22:25 mrmoku: well I don't understand Apr 21 12:22:32 apply locale fix to task-shr-minimal Apr 21 12:22:32 Patch-by: Stian Skjelstad Apr 21 12:22:33 Please have a look with me on the buildhost in the screen Apr 21 12:23:02 Tell me when you're there. Apr 21 12:24:04 Why is there a space here? Apr 21 12:24:11 yep there Apr 21 12:24:57 Ok now I don't understand at all =) Apr 21 12:25:01 It's working on testing Apr 21 12:25:05 Not on unstable Apr 21 12:25:07 There was a space Apr 21 12:25:13 In both of them Apr 21 12:25:21 "IMAGE_LINGUAS " Apr 21 12:26:28 Ok, fixed that. Apr 21 12:26:29 Now testing. Apr 21 12:26:32 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rdea6337f2a32 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: s/IMAGE_LINGUAS /IMAGE_LINGUAS/ Apr 21 12:26:33 (Sorry for the logs I borked) Apr 21 12:26:34 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * rf0d236d9d740 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) Apr 21 12:26:34 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rdea6337f2a32 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: s/IMAGE_LINGUAS /IMAGE_LINGUAS/ Apr 21 12:27:28 Seems to be fixed. Apr 21 12:28:20 hmm.. the spaces is indeed strange... Apr 21 12:28:25 * mrmoku getting prepared to get spanked ;) Apr 21 12:28:39 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rf9d8fad29bc7 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: Bumped PR. Apr 21 12:28:40 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rf9d8fad29bc7 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-minimal.bb: task-shr-minimal: Bumped PR. Apr 21 12:28:40 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r427297abec7c 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) Apr 21 12:28:42 Well anyway see on the buildhost? Now it works. Apr 21 12:29:27 mrmoku: though now Apr 21 12:29:42 Check frameworkd build in other screen window Apr 21 12:29:50 (testing) Apr 21 12:30:10 Ainulindale: opkg upgrade still wants to update a lot of kernel modules on shr-testing; what do you recommend? Apr 21 12:30:50 Ainulindale: don't see no other screen window? Apr 21 12:30:58 mrmoku: C^A^A Apr 21 12:31:10 ahh.. same session... yeah Apr 21 12:31:12 Zorkman: to wait a bit Apr 21 12:31:18 check Apr 21 12:31:28 mrmoku: see? Apr 21 12:31:35 Well anyway, coffee break Apr 21 12:31:37 And then I'll have to work Apr 21 12:31:50 otimed patch not applying... Apr 21 12:32:01 don't even know about that one :-) Apr 21 12:32:12 I guess this patch was included somehow Apr 21 12:32:18 nytowl? Apr 21 12:33:41 yeah... not in our overlay Apr 21 12:35:07 ARGH Apr 21 12:35:12 on oe.dev Apr 21 12:35:17 Koen broke all e libs Apr 21 12:35:19 Bastard! Apr 21 12:35:36 Anyway, coffee break Apr 21 12:35:44 mrmoku: Could you have a look at what I just pinpointed? Apr 21 12:35:53 I truly need a break and to work after that Apr 21 12:36:04 the e libs? will try to look... Apr 21 12:36:07 no no Apr 21 12:36:11 the otimed thing Apr 21 12:36:19 check with nytowl and/or mickeyl and/or alphaone :-) Apr 21 12:36:34 ok Apr 21 12:36:59 Hmmm Apr 21 12:37:00 Weird Apr 21 12:37:03 the patch is empty Apr 21 12:37:15 Ah, no it isn't Apr 21 12:37:29 Anyway I'll let you check that :-) Apr 21 12:37:39 not in om-gta02 Apr 21 12:37:46 Though I guess Jan borked it Apr 21 12:37:59 shoragan! Apr 21 12:38:43 guess it just does not apply in the version of testing we use? Apr 21 12:38:56 (we use in testing I wanted to say) Apr 21 12:47:52 hmmm... why is it building current frameworkd... and not the specified rev? Apr 21 12:49:16 Ainulindale: uhh... local.conf for testing is including the unstable autorev file... Apr 21 12:58:52 mrmoku: meh Apr 21 12:58:57 mrmoku: Bad copy from me, I guess Apr 21 12:59:24 I'll leave you at it I truly have to work now Apr 21 12:59:46 While you're at it mrmoku bump the autorev for lfp-efl in testing Apr 21 13:01:18 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r20df9804e6f5 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: autorev: set framweworkd to a version working with the otimed patch Apr 21 13:01:28 Ainulindale: ok Apr 21 13:02:08 hehe... its on autorev (because of the unstable thingie) Apr 21 13:04:07 Ainulindale, you buzzed Apr 21 13:04:36 overworked maybe :P Apr 21 13:05:10 You wanted to know about the otimed patch mrmoku Apr 21 13:05:33 nytowl: problem cleared... it is applied in current framework Apr 21 13:05:47 yup it is Apr 21 13:05:50 and for testing we use some older OE that still wants to apply it Apr 21 13:06:13 ah ok, Jan had the same problem Apr 21 13:09:37 mrmoku: err Apr 21 13:09:39 problem isn't solved Apr 21 13:09:48 mrmoku: as it might work for testing, yes Apr 21 13:09:51 but it won't for unstable Apr 21 13:09:58 as we're using fso/ms5.5 on both now Apr 21 13:10:05 that or I'm mad Apr 21 13:13:29 Ainulindale: yeah... that will not work in unstable too then... Apr 21 13:13:39 testing built successfully now Apr 21 13:16:57 mrmoku: thanks :-) Apr 21 13:17:03 nytowl: so latest fso/ms5.5 doesn't build Apr 21 13:17:19 It doesn't ? Apr 21 13:17:32 frameworkd otimed patch doesn't apply Apr 21 13:17:34 (at least on gta02) Apr 21 13:17:47 should be fixed? Apr 21 13:17:48 it shouldn't be trying to aplly it anymore Apr 21 13:17:53 the patch got removed Apr 21 13:17:53 Ainulindale: There is no patch anymore Apr 21 13:18:12 hmmm Apr 21 13:18:21 how come I didn't get it then? :-/ Apr 21 13:18:24 I updated two hours ago Apr 21 13:18:46 maybe somethings broke let me check Apr 21 13:18:52 nah nah Apr 21 13:18:55 it's there you're right Apr 21 13:19:08 but I can't understand why it wouldn't build properly Apr 21 13:19:20 mrmoku: we need to update frameworkd to latest for testing as the patch got dropped Apr 21 13:21:13 Ainulindale: ok :-) Apr 21 13:22:24 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rae2a699fe18e 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: Revert "autorev: set framweworkd to a version working with the otimed patch" Apr 21 13:22:50 mrmoku: sorry for the mess :-) Apr 21 13:23:08 Plus I'm setting up a project env here Apr 21 13:23:14 (for my real job) Apr 21 13:23:45 Ainulindale: np Apr 21 13:24:30 Ainulindale: one problem with updating OE is that it often does not work the first time Apr 21 13:24:49 bails out with remote hang up Apr 21 13:24:55 consequent update works then Apr 21 13:25:26 Ainulindale, what do you need a real job for, pfff Apr 21 13:25:51 as if SHR would not create enough tasks to be busy :P Apr 21 13:25:53 mrmoku: does the makefile check for errors? Apr 21 13:26:05 git errors, that is? Apr 21 13:26:27 it will not stop me thinks Apr 21 13:27:46 mmh, perhaps it should bail out then Apr 21 13:28:11 I don't know the makefile really Apr 21 13:29:45 spaetz: me neither ;) Apr 21 13:31:03 spaetz++ something i told several times Apr 21 13:31:29 spaetz: But everybody says: rwithby designed it, it must be error-free :) Apr 21 13:32:08 PaulFertser: plus me breaking it :P Apr 21 13:45:33 hi, how it is possible to get this (http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/aab33ea743b3c565f89fb6341d339c2f.png) in shr-testing? Apr 21 13:46:55 sylar_: you have to wait for the bb recipe :-) Apr 21 13:47:21 you should antialias the text Apr 21 13:47:25 logo looks great Apr 21 13:47:34 text looks bad Apr 21 13:47:35 Ainulindale: ah ok :) Apr 21 13:47:40 this won't be the definitive logo mickeyl Apr 21 13:47:44 we were intending to launch a contest Apr 21 13:47:49 cool Apr 21 13:47:53 Ainulindale: but it will be aviable as upgrade only for unstable or also for testing? Apr 21 13:47:57 how 'bout a name-change while you're there? Apr 21 13:47:58 * mickeyl runs Apr 21 13:48:01 sylar_: for both Apr 21 13:48:09 mickeyl: I'll kill you. Apr 21 13:48:19 With a rusted knife. Apr 21 13:48:31 Dipped in german sausages & beer. Apr 21 13:49:03 hehe Apr 21 13:49:06 that gotta hurt Apr 21 13:50:31 mrmoku: Did you regenerate images? Apr 21 13:51:07 Ainulindale: building the unstable now Apr 21 13:51:36 if the messages work I will trigger the testing Apr 21 13:53:48 Thanks :-) Apr 21 14:06:50 I love the logo Apr 21 14:07:35 overexposed as in a bad soft porn movie (not that I would know any) Apr 21 14:09:59 re Apr 21 14:10:30 So... what's all broken this fine morning? Apr 21 14:12:39 SMS were fixed. We were just loading all read messages rather than 'all' which explains the weird "lost SMS" situation Apr 21 14:13:06 don't ask WHY some SMS did arrive :) Apr 21 14:16:48 mrmoku: which is the state of the sms' numbers issue? have you released any workound? (some Italian peoples of the Italian community are asking me it it has been fixed because they consider that a really bad issue..) Apr 21 14:16:57 [sorry for my bad enlish ^^] Apr 21 14:17:16 sylar_: no, not fixed Apr 21 14:18:14 mrmoku: and is there any workround in the meanwhile except than 'option-call' and see if a contact's name appears? Apr 21 14:18:40 sylar_: no, but I will see if I can fix it tonight Apr 21 14:19:15 mrmoku: wow, thanks :) Apr 21 14:19:29 Ainulindale, mickeyl : is there a reason that the "z" option to tar is not turned on in busybox for FSO/SHR? :-) Or just fallout from some Angstrom or busybox change? Should I fix that in SHR? FSO branch? Neither? Apr 21 14:19:59 * mrmoku being married with an italian girl is inclined to keep the italian community satisfied :P Apr 21 14:20:03 mwester: no specific reason i can see. i thought i fixed that already (perhaps only in OE though). feel free to fix, thanks Apr 21 14:20:40 mwester: yeah... please fix it. it:s quite annoying Apr 21 14:21:05 Ok. Any other busybox pet peeves you might like fixed/changed? (SlugOS has buckets more things enabled and tested, so a lot more stuff actually works now in busybox) Apr 21 14:23:11 Damn ADAM. Apr 21 14:23:11 I think I even looked up the busybox config file in FSO/MS5.5 Apr 21 14:23:24 and I think the TAR_GZIP thingie was enabled Apr 21 14:23:25 Would anybody know how to change an ADAM instance IP, out of sheer luck? Apr 21 14:23:30 Because I'm struggling there. Apr 21 14:23:37 so I was puzzled enough to stop investigating :) Apr 21 14:24:03 Ainulindale: all EVAs fault ;) Apr 21 14:24:12 don't you remember? Apr 21 14:24:12 pff :) Apr 21 14:24:21 mrmoku: but seriously Apr 21 14:24:34 * mrmoku does not even know what ADAM is... Apr 21 14:24:42 Active Directory Application Mode Apr 21 14:24:44 A crappy thing Apr 21 14:24:48 spaetz: There were some defconfig reorganizations for busybox, I suspect it got dropped when someone just did a "make oldconfig" or something like that... Apr 21 14:24:59 Probably not deliberate. Apr 21 14:25:02 I don't understand a thing about these things Apr 21 14:25:09 There are UIs for everything, nothing is easy to find Apr 21 14:25:10 if someone is interested in etube (an elementary software to search&watch youtube videos. created by some italian community's users like treviño) I have made some minutes ago a biuld from the svn Apr 21 14:25:11 I'm just bored Apr 21 14:25:51 Ainulindale: I see a lot of I'm just bored from you Apr 21 14:25:53 * mrmoku thought in the windows world all is sheer luck :P Apr 21 14:25:58 (http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/etube_new) Apr 21 14:26:04 methril|work: As long as it's related to MS stuff, I tend to be bored yes Apr 21 14:26:36 Ainulindale: Well, then i'm bored too (i've to deal with MS in my daily job) :( Apr 21 14:27:47 Ainulindale: What are you doing with MS? Apr 21 14:28:05 It's for my job Apr 21 14:28:13 * mwester wonders if UI's for everthing is much different then DI's (dbus interfaces) for everything.... Apr 21 14:30:06 DI's can be handled without a mouse... which is an important point for Ainulindale :P Apr 21 14:30:24 (good UI's too... yeah) Apr 21 14:30:59 ok... build finished... let's see if it broke ;) Apr 21 14:32:56 bye Apr 21 14:38:46 mwester: feel free to enable more things in busybox in the "global" version. Angstrom is using its own Apr 21 14:38:55 so we don't have to be afraid of the terror reign Apr 21 14:38:57 *cough* Apr 21 14:39:00 :D Apr 21 14:44:54 mickeyl, hey, i did a quick grep for yield in cornucopia and got null... if you can remember, you asked me to take a look at fsogsmd code for co-routines Apr 21 14:46:10 i was referring to ogsmd, not fsogsmd Apr 21 14:46:23 proper co-routines are missing in Vala yet Apr 21 14:46:23 mickeyl, oh.. bleh.. ok.... Apr 21 14:48:15 mickeyl, oh, ok... i was thinking of using yield statement, but looks like I know zilch about it Apr 21 14:50:33 in a nutshell, with yield we can make async. calls look sync. Apr 21 14:50:51 trying to add Evas_Image to the vala bindings. Am I right that I create an Evas Image with Apr 21 14:50:52 this simplifies the look of the control flow Apr 21 14:51:01 Evas_Object *evas_object_image_add Apr 21 14:51:01 ah.. i see Apr 21 14:51:20 mickeyl, any, will cook up worth something for the weekend Apr 21 14:51:21 but free it with Evas_Object *evas_object_image_add Apr 21 14:51:33 err, sorry with Apr 21 14:51:40 evas_imaging_image_free (Evas_Imaging_Image *im) Apr 21 14:52:02 so I pass it a different pointer type for freeing than I get on creation ?! Apr 21 14:52:25 the vala free functino complains about an incompatible pointer type in the free function Apr 21 14:55:30 bah, no documentation about all that shit Apr 21 14:56:34 i don't think the Imaging_Image is the same as the Evas_Image Apr 21 14:57:18 * spaetz sighs Apr 21 14:57:40 hmm, d'oh Apr 21 14:57:46 they changed the API completely since i last looked Apr 21 14:57:48 no idea, sorry Apr 21 14:58:03 mmh, ok. I'll need to bug raster some more Apr 21 14:58:10 i'd just try freeing it with evas_object_free first Apr 21 14:58:20 did I mention that I hate code without docs :) Apr 21 14:58:28 yep Apr 21 14:58:32 ok, will try that Apr 21 14:58:33 big problem with EFL Apr 21 14:59:02 error handling as well, but there seems to be only few caring about that Apr 21 14:59:07 evas_object_free might even work, although Evas_Imaging_Image seems to be some type of opaque struct Apr 21 14:59:21 will try Apr 21 15:14:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3fb3368f0561 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: allow overriding log_level, log_to, log_destination via environment Apr 21 15:14:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra502b35735e2 10/libfsotransport/ (19 files in 4 dirs): Apr 21 15:14:49 freesmartphone.org: fsotransport: new library; needed to be separated from libfsoframework since needed for other Apr 21 15:14:49 freesmartphone.org: projects such as libgsm0710mux, fso-abyss, fso-term, etc. as well, which might not need Apr 21 15:14:51 freesmartphone.org: the rest of libfsotransport. Apr 21 15:14:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfbaa741d9637 10/libfsotransport/ (fsotransport-2.0.pc.in fsotransport/Makefile.am): fsotransport: link to -lutil for ptsname_r Apr 21 15:14:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r67041bb4aa5d 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/transport.vala: fsotransport: add setPriorities() Apr 21 15:15:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r48fe1f80f786 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: remove transport functions; they're now in libfsotransport Apr 21 15:15:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra57f1513482a 10/fsogsmd/ (8 files in 7 dirs): fsogsmd: Libgsm0710muxTransport now lives in its library Apr 21 15:36:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r6b45453a9ffe 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): remove custom transport classes and use libfsotransport instead Apr 21 15:36:24 Wooh a thread thanking SHR devs Apr 21 15:36:29 Niiiice Apr 21 15:36:38 hehe Apr 21 15:36:45 it's always the app developers getting the praise ;) Apr 21 15:37:10 ~curse invisibility of middleware Apr 21 15:38:12 well anyway you don't work on frameworkd that much, do you? :-> Apr 21 15:38:47 for my part these last few months I mostly enjoyed telling other people what to do Apr 21 15:38:54 oh i do Apr 21 15:38:55 I find it more comfortable than actually doing stuff Apr 21 15:39:01 just yesterday i revamped audio playing Apr 21 15:39:10 we should have faster playback now Apr 21 15:39:13 mickeyl: I know, I was ironic :-p Apr 21 15:39:13 if using .wav Apr 21 15:39:18 ah Apr 21 15:39:22 That's good, we're using wav in SHR Apr 21 15:39:44 i'm working on the fso-monitord bug Apr 21 15:39:48 that'd be nice. sorta awkward when text message/phone call ringtones stutter badly :> Apr 21 15:39:56 playya: good! Apr 21 15:39:57 but i added a segfault :( Apr 21 15:40:13 segfaults are hidden easter eggs Apr 21 15:40:20 maybe i revert and do a minimal patch Apr 21 15:55:00 Blu3: ringtoooone Apr 21 15:55:04 hmpf Apr 21 15:55:06 bumbl Apr 21 15:55:44 Ainulindale: ring ding ding banana phone Apr 21 15:56:05 Blu3, only if they are hidden. Apr 21 15:56:18 =] Apr 21 15:56:33 is there any dictionary app for the openmoko= Apr 21 16:01:33 bumbl: yes, it is, check opkg.org, it's called yadict iirc Apr 21 16:02:35 Ainulindale: is today's unstable image stable aka working gsm, gps, wlan Apr 21 16:03:59 * mwester is about to break it. Apr 21 16:04:19 ;) Apr 21 16:04:24 mwester: why? Apr 21 16:04:35 h4v: excellent Apr 21 16:04:53 now i just have to find a german/english -> spanish dict file Apr 21 16:11:54 is a fix for WSOD available? Apr 21 16:17:49 mwester: you're late... I was faster :P Apr 21 16:18:16 mrmoku: so what is broken? Apr 21 16:18:34 the close button when editing contacts Apr 21 16:18:41 and the number in the dialer display Apr 21 16:18:54 so you can't dial? Apr 21 16:19:12 you can dial... just you don't see the complete number... just the button half Apr 21 16:19:21 Bad mrmoku, bad! Apr 21 16:19:45 well... the close button was my bad... fixed it already... will push and rebuild after dinner Apr 21 16:19:52 mrmoku: creating new contacts works? Apr 21 16:20:07 the dialer display might as well be some relict from quickdev Apr 21 16:20:17 bumbl: should yeah... the save button is visible :-) Apr 21 16:20:31 ok Apr 21 16:20:33 flashing now Apr 21 16:21:02 upgrading to testing here Apr 21 16:21:04 err Apr 21 16:21:05 unstable Apr 21 16:21:14 I like to bork my devices Apr 21 16:21:32 I don't know what mwester has hidden in the updated kernel though ;) Apr 21 16:21:48 or are there any known problems with testing Apr 21 16:21:50 GPS works at least Apr 21 16:22:02 in testing? Apr 21 16:22:06 both Apr 21 16:22:17 (confirmed only in unstable :-) Apr 21 16:22:28 bbl Apr 21 16:22:33 bumbl: no notification when you can't send sms because you have not enough money Apr 21 16:22:40 but i filed a bug about that on fso track Apr 21 16:22:41 :) the kernel in unstable is the upstream kernel... who knows? Apr 21 16:22:56 But I'm about to fix g_ether, which will probably break many things. Apr 21 16:23:09 usb0 --> eth for most people. Apr 21 16:28:11 Well it might be that I'll have internet by tomorrow, yay Apr 21 16:29:51 dos1! Apr 21 16:29:57 Could you please package your bootsplash? Apr 21 16:33:59 dos1: And I'd like to see desktop simple lock back in its position as the default binding for AUX too Apr 21 16:34:09 IIRC you changed the config Apr 21 16:34:33 Ainulindale: but i don't think i touched bindings Apr 21 16:34:37 i will look on it Apr 21 16:34:53 and about boot-splash - i had yesterday time only for upload it ;) Apr 21 16:35:11 i will play with it today to package it Apr 21 16:35:16 good :-) Apr 21 16:35:26 dos1: I'd like to see something under the "SHR" text Apr 21 16:35:37 "temporary logo" :-) Apr 21 16:35:50 mrmoku: yay, lots of SMSes to delete Apr 21 16:35:56 mrmoku: did you bump srcrev in testing? Apr 21 16:36:25 Ainulindale: i don't do graphics, i only know "gaussian blur" and how to use layers in GIMP :D Apr 21 16:37:00 dos1: yay so you can add a tiny text ;-) Apr 21 16:37:32 which text? Apr 21 16:37:38 "temporary logo" Apr 21 16:37:47 :D Apr 21 16:39:31 * mwester would like to find a way to make the host's RSA key survive flashing new images. Apr 21 16:39:40 er, the device's RSA key Apr 21 16:39:50 yep, so would I Apr 21 16:39:54 i want to do some magic update-alternatives stuff and allow to change bootsplashes in shr-settings Apr 21 16:40:00 tired to delete your known_hosts mwester? Apr 21 16:40:04 Yes. Apr 21 16:40:32 so every SHR theme can have other bootsplash ;) Apr 21 16:40:34 We do it with SlugOS Apr 21 16:40:45 mrmoku: sorry for bugging you - i just try to find a stable image for next week Apr 21 16:40:58 without internet and with the need for some maps and gps Apr 21 16:41:17 mickey|sports, alphaone|gone: what about http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/404 ? Apr 21 16:41:20 and with the hope to find a barra with free internet Apr 21 16:41:35 There is a "turnup preserve" command that saves many config files and the keys to a special area of the flash, and at first boot the flash is checked for that signature -- if present, the config files are (carefully) restored. Apr 21 16:41:54 turnip preserve? Apr 21 16:41:59 some kind of tin foil ? Apr 21 16:42:34 :) "turnup" is the mechanism to install/configure the device at first boot. not sure why the name... Apr 21 16:46:24 dos1: how to enable your bootsplash? Apr 21 16:55:40 hmm i hate my isp Apr 21 16:56:38 bumbl_: firstly i have to package it ;) Apr 21 16:57:12 bumbl_: but you can download initscript, ln it to /etc/rcS.d/S01splash and download fb file to /shr-splash.fb Apr 21 16:58:40 ok i wait for the package or i'll do it manually tomorrow Apr 21 16:58:56 * bumbl searches for a fingerfriendly qwertz keyboard + german dict Apr 21 17:02:41 Ainulindale: no bumping needed... it was on autorev Apr 21 17:03:14 bumbl: no problem... I think both (unstable/testing) are quite nice now Apr 21 17:03:30 unstable already has the fix for showing unread messages in the list Apr 21 17:03:35 testing will have it soon Apr 21 17:04:02 bumbl: if you found such a keyboard... tell me :D Apr 21 17:05:54 Ainulindale: we should sort that autorev-unstable problem in testing out... Apr 21 17:06:10 raster: ping Apr 21 17:07:17 no 'temp logo' text for me please. i'd like it as my permanent one Apr 21 17:08:23 do someone know what is the udev's DRIVER value for the Freerunner's wifi card ? Apr 21 17:11:13 mrmoku: i did Apr 21 17:11:29 mrmoku: http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/kbd/ Apr 21 17:12:06 + Apr 21 17:12:07 rm English_\(US\).dic && touch English_\(US\).dic Apr 21 17:13:21 for making illume to learn his own thing Apr 21 17:18:01 something broken on unstable right now in order to upgrade? Apr 21 17:33:44 no idea. Apr 21 17:34:34 Sharwin_F: something small :-) Apr 21 17:35:24 mrmoku, something small which makes it unusable? :P Apr 21 17:35:56 no, usable... and part of it will be fixed very soon :-) Apr 21 17:36:16 mrmoku, what's not working? I've readed something about unread messages not showing, is it that? Apr 21 17:36:36 Sharwin_F: it's in testing; in unstable it's fixed Apr 21 17:36:47 mrmoku fixed that Apr 21 17:36:48 ;) Apr 21 17:36:58 good :D Apr 21 17:37:20 so testing its more unstable than unstable... xD Apr 21 17:37:39 Sharwin_F: no... the update of unstable broke the close button when editing a contact Apr 21 17:37:55 that I have fixed... will push and rebuild in some minutes Apr 21 17:38:05 hmm I can survive without that hehe Apr 21 17:38:12 the other thing is the number display of the dialer... which is somehow strange... but usable Apr 21 17:38:40 mrmoku, could you ping me when it's available on the repos to upgrade? Apr 21 17:38:47 if you need me to test something just tell :) Apr 21 17:38:53 bumbl: do I have to restart e to get the keyboard after installing? it does not appear Apr 21 17:38:57 Sharwin_F: ok Apr 21 17:39:04 mrmoku: yes you do Apr 21 17:39:23 has anyone of you dictconv installed? Apr 21 17:39:36 mrmoku, (kb) by experience, it depends on the keyboard/package Apr 21 17:39:45 bumbl: on host? Apr 21 17:39:58 ie. OptimSMS kb I think works without restarting Apr 21 17:40:00 mrmoku: anywhere Apr 21 17:40:09 i can't compile it and need some dicts converted Apr 21 17:40:15 for yadict Apr 21 17:40:55 but the Slim-Iphone or similar one, needs restart. I suppouse it's because it changes the theme or something Apr 21 17:41:42 ok... restarting... lets see Apr 21 17:42:00 which kb are you trying? Apr 21 17:43:51 bumbl extract it from debian deb ;) dictconv_0.2-7_i386.deb Apr 21 17:44:00 Sharwin_F: the one bumbl posted some lines above Apr 21 17:44:03 von_fritz: yep i was thinking about that Apr 21 17:46:50 I personally like more http://www.opkg.org/package_142.html than the one in kbd.png on bumbl's link Apr 21 17:48:00 Sharwin_F: looks good but is too much Apr 21 17:48:06 for sms only Apr 21 17:48:46 von_fritz: i will install it on my sidux box Apr 21 17:48:56 Deubeuliou: hi Apr 21 17:49:54 bumbl, why you think it's too much for sms? which key you wouldn't use? Apr 21 17:54:23 all except qwetyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm Apr 21 17:55:27 bumbl: then what about emoticons? Apr 21 17:55:40 * bumbl does not need emoticons Apr 21 17:55:55 * mrmoku likes qwo quite a lot... Apr 21 17:56:01 and arrows for moving around the text if you missed something? Apr 21 17:56:13 qwo seems interesting too Apr 21 17:56:34 if it would be transparent and bigger... it would be perfect Apr 21 17:57:14 as is it works perfect with a stylus... having problems with my finger though :P Apr 21 17:59:09 scp'ing thousands of tangogps files to the moko is fun Apr 21 18:00:05 mrmoku, it looks like it's already done: http://kimaidou.kilu.de/openmoko/tmp/qwo_transparent.png Apr 21 18:00:47 http://openmoko-fr.org/wiki/index.php/QWO_transparent Apr 21 18:02:21 Sharwin_F: yeah... but it needs some patch for illume me thinks... and/or breaks all other keyboards Apr 21 18:02:55 hmm ok Apr 21 18:03:44 dos1: how's the last transparent qwo state? Apr 21 18:05:03 mrmoku: there is patch for illume which doesn't broke standard keyboard Apr 21 18:05:36 dos1: any drawbacks? Apr 21 18:05:46 mrmoku: it checks if actual keyboard has category "TransparentKeyboard" in categories in desktop file Apr 21 18:05:56 mrmoku: wait a moment, i must search for it Apr 21 18:06:17 dos1: if it works... I'm all for including it :-) Apr 21 18:07:32 and PaulFertser would tell me we should switch to xorg :-) Apr 21 18:07:34 wow, a transparent keyboard is actually a really cool idea! Apr 21 18:07:47 mrmoku, dos1 do you have ewww for the neo Apr 21 18:07:54 the version @opkg.org Apr 21 18:07:57 does not work Apr 21 18:08:06 nop... any bb's around? Apr 21 18:08:08 budfive, I want eve as well! ;] Apr 21 18:08:09 /usr/e17/bin/ewww: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.36: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Apr 21 18:08:10 bumbl, * Apr 21 18:08:11 ;] Apr 21 18:08:41 ;) Apr 21 18:08:51 there have to be bb's out there Apr 21 18:09:12 or all of the scap's were done without bitbake but only the toolchain Apr 21 18:09:33 i think all of the scaps were done with ewww compiled with toolchain Apr 21 18:09:34 :P Apr 21 18:09:53 bumbl, install the library :P Apr 21 18:10:43 opkg install libxslt libicui18n Apr 21 18:10:49 i used the opkg.org version and it worked on my shr image Apr 21 18:12:57 Sharwin_F: neo is a bit slow (still copying map tiles) Apr 21 18:13:56 has anyone of you tried an openmoko theft prevention app? Apr 21 18:15:35 bumbl, ? Apr 21 18:16:41 playya: ? Apr 21 18:16:50 whicht one? Apr 21 18:16:56 where can i get it Apr 21 18:17:43 Sharwin_F: * Cannot find package libicui18n. Apr 21 18:17:59 mrmoku: could you compile it? is there a .bb for it? Apr 21 18:18:57 hmm... there is icu... is it that? Apr 21 18:19:17 yep it is Apr 21 18:19:36 bumbl: will try in 10 mins Apr 21 18:19:36 libicui18n36 - 3.6-r4 - Version 3.6-r4 of package icu Apr 21 18:19:38 it's already there Apr 21 18:19:52 so opkg install libicui18n36 Apr 21 18:19:53 ;) Apr 21 18:20:36 mrmoku, ^ Apr 21 18:22:47 ah ok Apr 21 18:22:49 thank you Apr 21 18:23:39 how is the illume lock action named Apr 21 18:23:41 it is not lock Apr 21 18:23:44 SIEG! Apr 21 18:23:56 as that is the pam requiring option Apr 21 18:24:03 I got fucking efl to display an evas.Image in an elementary Box Apr 21 18:24:06 spaetz: where did you win? Apr 21 18:24:08 and that using vala Apr 21 18:24:14 ;) Apr 21 18:24:39 mickey|sports: I have a patch for evas.vapi Apr 21 18:24:49 and I am not sure if it is clean/correct Apr 21 18:25:03 would appreciate if you had a look at it. Apr 21 18:25:49 bumbl, do you mean Desktop Simple Lock? Apr 21 18:25:58 yes Apr 21 18:26:45 ah ok found it Apr 21 18:27:24 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * rd40b29e1bdaa 10/vapi/evas.vapi: [evas.vapi] extend with basic Evas.Image functions. I can display an Evas.Image in an Elementary.Box with these bindings so they can't be totally wrong. Apr 21 18:28:00 hi, some months ago I saw on the shr sms app a light-blue elementary theme, where can I find it? Apr 21 18:30:43 i think there's one on opkg.org Apr 21 18:31:25 Time to break everything! Apr 21 18:31:48 playya: I mean elementary theme.. Apr 21 18:34:19 sylar_, sorry. its only for illume-keyboard Apr 21 18:35:36 playya: np :) Apr 21 18:40:56 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r4bb6186ded37 10/vapi/evas.vapi: [evas.vapi] some more (untested) data_get/set functions for Evas.Image Apr 21 18:43:09 <\marco> Hi to all :) Apr 21 18:43:43 <\marco> I've a problem with an 8gb microSD Apr 21 18:45:07 <\marco> after some testing I've formatted it a couple of times but now it's recognized as a 1gb sd :( Apr 21 18:45:15 <\marco> any hint? Apr 21 18:46:02 damn Apr 21 18:46:05 <\marco> I've used a fat32 Filesystem Apr 21 18:46:33 just cause i like making fun of windows related crap i'll blam fat :D Apr 21 18:46:48 <\marco> :D Apr 21 18:46:54 been formatting it with the phone? Apr 21 18:46:57 <\marco> yep Apr 21 18:47:05 <\marco> fdisk + mkfs Apr 21 18:47:06 try a usb dongle? on a host machine? Apr 21 18:47:20 <\marco> good idea.. let me check Apr 21 18:48:31 see if you can reclaim those 7GB Apr 21 18:48:50 <\marco> DAMN... I don't have the adapter here! Apr 21 18:48:53 <\marco> grrr Apr 21 18:48:55 <\marco> :( Apr 21 18:50:37 * \marco searching for the adapter Apr 21 18:53:18 dont forget to glance at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards its got a few good tidbits here and there, some cards just suck i went through like 2 noname brand 2 and 4GB and ended up trading a freind for a sandisk (later i found out it stopped working for him :D no trade backs Apr 21 18:53:42 cause they would do goofy stuff like that Apr 21 18:54:06 <\marco> I found it!! Apr 21 18:54:08 missing space, errors after 1gb etc Apr 21 18:54:24 i remember doing lots of partition hacking and rebooting to no avail Apr 21 18:54:32 <\marco> d'oh :D Apr 21 18:54:49 what brand is it? Apr 21 18:55:09 <\marco> sandisk :) Apr 21 18:55:41 goodluck Apr 21 18:56:06 <\marco> :( Apr 21 18:57:30 * \marco cross his fingers Apr 21 18:57:56 <\marco> mhm Apr 21 18:57:58 <\marco> very strange Apr 21 18:58:27 <\marco> probably it's a problem with the sd interface on the Freerunner Apr 21 18:58:49 especially SDHC handling Apr 21 18:58:51 <\marco> cfdisk on my PC says that there's no partition... free space Apr 21 18:59:07 but all the space is there? Apr 21 18:59:10 <\marco> yep! Apr 21 18:59:12 good Apr 21 18:59:13 <\marco> :D Apr 21 19:00:12 you made sure to unmount it before editing the partition right? Apr 21 19:00:20 <\marco> yep Apr 21 19:00:27 that includes any swap part Apr 21 19:00:48 <\marco> mhm.. Apr 21 19:01:03 <\marco> ehm.. i don't know :) Apr 21 19:01:08 i've forgotten that on occasion Apr 21 19:01:21 swap should be displayed in df -h Apr 21 19:01:32 <\marco> like what? shm? Apr 21 19:01:39 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r99aec57f124a 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/g_ether.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): g_ether: Always use the USB mac address specified by the factory. Apr 21 19:01:56 Ok, that'll make everyone crazy! Apr 21 19:02:03 it'd be neat if swap was displayed Apr 21 19:02:21 <\marco> mhm Apr 21 19:02:33 hello west Apr 21 19:03:04 yay for commits Apr 21 19:03:24 Ainulindale: A potentially-disruptive change just got pushed to unstable. Just FYI. Now, regardless of Qi and module/builtit g_ether, your interface will use the correct mac addr ---- watch out for hosts that will rename their end of the connection from usb0 to eth1. Apr 21 19:05:39 <\marco> moment of truth... Apr 21 19:06:11 hmm Apr 21 19:06:40 how to get valid .bgl files from babylon? Apr 21 19:06:52 <\marco> /dev/mmcblk0p1 7961880 4 7961876 0% /media/card Apr 21 19:06:57 <\marco> \o/ Apr 21 19:07:07 * \marco is happy :) Apr 21 19:07:09 cheers Apr 21 19:07:13 <\marco> thanks coney ;) Apr 21 19:07:25 anyone here using yadict? Apr 21 19:08:36 <\marco> bumbl: no,I don't.. sorry Apr 21 19:08:47 SHR: 03mok 07sh * r0b55ad7a6142 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/contact-edit-view.c: efl/contacts: fix stupid typo to make the close button reappear Apr 21 19:08:50 how to get the correct .bgls? online version gives a dict with 0 entries, offline version gives an exe Apr 21 19:17:27 Sharwin_F--: building an updated libframeworkd-phonegui-efl package which fixes the missing close button... Apr 21 19:17:40 the dialer number display is still pending though Apr 21 19:20:34 mrmoku: both bugs are not that bad bugs Apr 21 19:22:43 bumbl: yeah... the number display is annoying but not bad... more annoying to me maybe because I don't understand it :( Apr 21 19:22:50 the other one is fixed :-) Apr 21 19:23:22 mrmoku: do you use yadict? Apr 21 19:23:29 bumbl: nop Apr 21 19:23:50 actually I almost never write SMS Apr 21 19:24:07 mostly to test SHR :-) Apr 21 19:29:14 commited shr-splash update Apr 21 19:29:26 now i need only bb file Apr 21 19:29:46 writing Makefile should be ok, yep? Apr 21 19:30:02 if yes, bb file and Makefile :) Apr 21 19:34:32 btw. Ainulindale: is shr-themes good place for shr-splash? Apr 21 19:48:24 Must be nighty-night time over the pond. Apr 21 19:49:50 yep Apr 21 19:51:31 guess he's still busy with ADAM ;) Apr 21 19:53:10 phhht! He's at some outdoor cafe, with a bottle of wine and plate full of escargot, enjoying the evening with his girlfriend. Apr 21 19:53:38 meanwhile, we're here -- committing things, and breaking his distro! Apr 21 20:04:16 mwester: yeah... you might be right... forgot he is french :P Apr 21 20:12:28 mrmoku: can you write bb recipe for shr-splash? Apr 21 20:12:43 mrmoku: i wrote a Makefile, but it looks like it's not a right way to do it :x Apr 21 20:12:56 dos1: what needs to be done to install it? Apr 21 20:13:03 you can look at that Makefile ;) Apr 21 20:13:48 where do I find it? Apr 21 20:13:54 mrmoku: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=blob;f=shr-splash/Makefile;h=36767d9128b264bb75e77ae2edab18cf2cec9eb9;hb=HEAD Apr 21 20:15:12 dos1: ok... looks straight forward Apr 21 20:15:43 Would one not just add the splash screen to the initscripts? Apr 21 20:17:58 mrmoku, why don't you use update-rc.d ? Apr 21 20:18:24 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r8c060afcfcf7 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [services] don't display shr-splash and usb-gadget in services list Apr 21 20:18:40 TAsn: it's my Makefile :D Apr 21 20:18:52 dos1, oops yeah. Apr 21 20:19:05 mrmoku: i want to use update-alternatives later Apr 21 20:19:08 mwester: makes it difficult to deinstall? Apr 21 20:19:18 for some reason (tiredness) I read mrmoku: http://gi... Apr 21 20:19:26 and thought mrmoku wrote it ;] Apr 21 20:19:36 and provide xsplash-vga.ppm (X splash) Apr 21 20:21:04 ah, ok Apr 21 20:21:28 Hmm... latest unstable image only offers the "Illume" theme. Apr 21 20:21:43 I wonder what might have happened to the SHR theme? Apr 21 20:22:05 mwester: here it did ofer a shr-theme too Apr 21 20:22:21 Ok, which one of you stole the SHR theme?!!?? Apr 21 20:23:13 Very pretty. But contacts and Mofi are blank icons, and Vagalume has no icon at all. Apr 21 20:23:23 mwester: ouch... Apr 21 20:23:29 The clock is analog, and battery is fat. Apr 21 20:23:35 mwester: did you compile it yourself? Apr 21 20:23:36 mwester: gta01? Apr 21 20:23:40 gta02 Apr 21 20:23:43 hmm... Apr 21 20:23:46 built locally Apr 21 20:23:46 the image i downloaded for gta02 today works Apr 21 20:24:42 ok, have to go Apr 21 20:24:49 good night ;) Apr 21 20:24:54 mwester: though you might be right about the initscripts... Apr 21 20:25:08 thinking about it... it is just one file Apr 21 20:25:30 mrmoku: and artwork ;p Apr 21 20:25:30 I could add something like '[ -f splash.fb ] && cat ....' Apr 21 20:25:46 hmm Apr 21 20:25:51 dos1: highly artworked file... yeah :P Apr 21 20:25:55 ;D Apr 21 20:26:34 mrmoku, going to opkg upgrade Apr 21 20:26:37 ok... it's three files Apr 21 20:26:43 Sharwin_F--: yep... go ahead :-) Apr 21 20:26:51 thanks :) Apr 21 20:26:55 four files when counting X splash Apr 21 20:26:56 ;) Apr 21 20:27:13 well three... because the script would not be needed anymore ;) Apr 21 20:27:32 heh, ok Apr 21 20:27:33 so... Apr 21 20:27:49 then we should rename it to something like shr-splash-default Apr 21 20:27:50 mrmoku, so now theoretically I don't have a limit on number of sms or contacts as opmid is used? Apr 21 20:27:57 what about the x-splash... how does it get started? Apr 21 20:27:57 as it will be only theme Apr 21 20:28:05 mrmoku: --root-ppm Apr 21 20:28:13 it's only background file for X root window Apr 21 20:28:17 Sharwin_F--: no no... but you will get unread SMS in the list :_) Apr 21 20:28:33 mrmoku: but we have to change a little /etc/X11/Xserver Apr 21 20:28:40 that splash was used in 2007.2 Apr 21 20:28:49 ok, really have to go Apr 21 20:28:50 good night Apr 21 20:28:53 good night Apr 21 20:30:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r378646a510b1 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac src/terminal.vala): no need to use libfsoframework, libfsotransport is enough Apr 21 20:30:25 * mrmoku goes thinking about it under the shower... Apr 21 20:30:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r78bd2beb2a19 10/gsm0710mux/manager.vala: bail out, if someone wants to use SOCKET Apr 21 20:30:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r5a3753837fe9 10/.gitignore: add gitignore Apr 21 20:31:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r259b8c86e476 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/calling.py: ogsmd: add note where to handle data calls in calling.py Apr 21 20:31:49 heh... shower got postponed due to lack of warm water :( Apr 21 20:44:07 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * rfff91282069d 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/g_ether.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): g_ether: make sure modprobe.d exists (may not on the gta01) Apr 21 20:46:32 hey, does someone know where i can find the source of a tcp_wrapper for arm? need it to set up a lil system with ssh Apr 21 20:48:44 root_at: apt-get source tcpd Apr 21 20:49:16 lindi-, archer here ; ) but i downloaded one source, but it didnt support arm Apr 21 20:49:41 it was this one: ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/pub/security/tcp_wrappers_7.6.tar.gz Apr 21 20:51:01 root_at: did not support arm? Apr 21 20:51:08 root_at: debian has the package for alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc Apr 21 20:51:15 root_at: so both arm and armel are supported. Apr 21 20:51:40 whats the direct link to this source package? Apr 21 20:52:07 root_at: pool/main/t/tcpd? Apr 21 20:53:14 stefan_schmidt: Hi Apr 21 20:53:16 root_at: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tcp-wrappers/ Apr 21 20:53:36 root_at: apt-cache show tcpd will tell you that the source package is named "tcp-wrappers" Apr 21 20:54:11 lindi-, i asked because i dont use debian, or ubuntu, or any other debian based linux. i use archlinux -> package manager is pacman : D Apr 21 20:54:34 root_at: archlinux does not have apt even as an extra package? Apr 21 20:55:36 lindi-, afaik not, maybe in the Archlinux User Repository...but believe, if you used pacman, you dont want apt-get back ;) Apr 21 20:55:51 aptitude* Apr 21 20:56:45 root_at: it's just that the there is no such software collection for it afaik so it's hard to swtich Apr 21 20:57:42 root_at: i mean that with apt I can use the high-quality debian archive. with pacman i couldn't use that but had to use something else Apr 21 20:57:45 lindi-, i downloaded the source package, but it seems to be the same. "make arm" or "make armel" doesnt work, and it echoes a list of supported sys type, but no arm Apr 21 20:57:47 hmmm.... Apr 21 20:58:01 hi Kensan Apr 21 20:58:20 * mwester is having a hard time reconciling this -- cannot find the source to a package with "pacman", yet would not use rpm or apt... Apr 21 20:58:43 root_at: debian/rules does $(MAKE) $(CROSS) $(DEB_BUILD_GNU_SYSTEM) Apr 21 20:59:02 root_at: i don't think DEB_BUILD_GNU_SYSTEM is ever "arm" Apr 21 20:59:05 mwester, you can find it somewhere on the archlinux svn, afaik Apr 21 21:00:39 lindi-, but: http://pastebin.com/m783653a7 Apr 21 21:01:18 stefan_schmidt: long time no see :) How are things? Apr 21 21:01:27 do you use autorev for fso-monitord in shr? Apr 21 21:01:40 stefan_schmidt: I've read you guys had a "gnufiish hack weekend" in Berlin :) Apr 21 21:01:56 Kensan: Short version: Jobless, study focused, hacking on gnufiish for a 3G device with keyboard Apr 21 21:02:04 Kensan: yeah, http://lists.gnufiish.org/pipermail/gnufiish-devel/2009-April/000019.html Apr 21 21:02:08 :) Apr 21 21:02:25 stefan_schmidt: ok jobless sucks, but the rest sound good :) Apr 21 21:03:06 root_at: on my PC it is doing "make linux" Apr 21 21:03:10 Kensan: yup, need to take care about money in the next months again. Apr 21 21:03:18 root_at: since DEB_BUILD_GNU_SYSTEM=linux Apr 21 21:03:34 Kensan: Not much could be done as OM stopped funding FSO Apr 21 21:03:49 root_at: what made you think that you should put "armel" there? Apr 21 21:04:41 lindi-, i hope that this will work..thanks Apr 21 21:04:44 stefan_schmidt: yeah, I heard :( Apr 21 21:04:53 stefan_schmidt: cool ML-post! Apr 21 21:05:06 root_at: still, i'd like to understand why you thought you'd need armel there Apr 21 21:05:07 stefan_schmidt: kudoos to you guys! good stuff... Apr 21 21:05:20 Kensan: The only sad part is the modem one. Let's hope we will get there soon Apr 21 21:05:40 stefan_schmidt: yeah... It's a showstopper so to speak.. Apr 21 21:06:15 Kensan: indeed, first prio here Apr 21 21:06:20 lindi-, i dont really know, i didnt really read through the list and noticed that this werent architectures : / but make linux doesnt work, nor make generic Apr 21 21:06:41 root_at: "doesn't work"? Apr 21 21:07:00 stefan_schmidt: I've completely lost track of Openmoko/FSO and related projects lately :( Too much other stuff going on atm. Apr 21 21:07:38 lindi-, http://pastebin.com/m769569a4 "fehler" means error Apr 21 21:08:06 root_at: why not put the english errors online? ;) Apr 21 21:08:38 Kensan: It's easy to loose track tho. Costs me a lot time every week to stay on top at least a bit. Apr 21 21:08:43 lindi-, there are just 2 words ; ) but i am kinda too tired now to read how to compile tcp_wrappers... Apr 21 21:09:39 root_at: which check in config-check fails? Apr 21 21:09:49 stefan_schmidt: yeah, I shifted my focus to more job related stuff. There's too many interesting things to do :) Apr 21 21:10:26 lindi-, i dont know, this is all it echoes Apr 21 21:10:33 root_at: strace? Apr 21 21:10:41 root_at: @set +e; test -n "$(REAL_DAEMON_DIR)" || { make; exit 1; } Apr 21 21:10:48 root_at: is the first check, right? Apr 21 21:13:59 lindi-, yes Apr 21 21:14:30 root_at: you did se real_daemon_dir? Apr 21 21:14:32 set Apr 21 21:15:31 lindi-, yeah, but possibly wrong Apr 21 21:16:11 root_at: well, add "echo 1" after the first line and see if it ever prints that Apr 21 21:16:58 ohh sdcard not mounted : / but error while compiling now...too tired now. thanks for your help Apr 21 21:17:56 stefan_schmidt: well I hope you find a good job soon. catch you later ;) Apr 21 21:18:02 night all Apr 21 21:18:03 Kensan: cu Apr 21 21:23:07 i am out, cu all Apr 21 21:47:48 mrmoku|away, hmmm when I add a contact it is not showed on the list it seems Apr 21 21:49:20 I think it's because I put an "ó" Apr 21 21:52:17 mrmoku|away: shr-messages segfaults now... Apr 21 21:52:39 Did you test your patch? Apr 21 21:52:50 YAY. Apr 21 21:52:57 At last, managed to configure this freaking router. Apr 21 21:53:01 dos1, when doing what? I can open it at least :P Apr 21 21:53:17 RFC 1483 MY ASS Apr 21 21:53:32 (hehe... Someone broke something, and that wasn't me!!! ;D) Apr 21 21:54:01 Sharwin_F-: on start Apr 21 21:54:18 Contacts works Apr 21 21:54:25 Messages not Apr 21 21:54:35 It starts Apr 21 21:55:04 And after few seconds crashes Apr 21 21:55:13 not for me I think Apr 21 21:55:22 how many secons aprox? Apr 21 21:55:30 Msgs are not showed Apr 21 21:55:37 they are Apr 21 21:55:43 3-4 secs Apr 21 21:55:49 Hmm Apr 21 21:55:53 Ok Apr 21 21:55:55 try upgrading :P Apr 21 21:56:06 I will look at it tomorow Apr 21 21:56:24 Sharwin_F-: it IS upgraded Apr 21 21:56:28 maybe some weird char? Apr 21 21:56:37 Before upgrade it worked ;p Apr 21 21:56:41 I have problems when adding a contact with an "ó" char Apr 21 21:57:13 it looks like working but after I'm not able to see the added contact if it has the "ó" char Apr 21 21:57:28 No, it's unused sim Apr 21 21:57:43 Anyway Apr 21 21:58:09 Good night Apr 21 22:34:02 hi ptitjes Apr 21 22:51:02 ~seen dos1 Apr 21 22:51:03 dos1 was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 52m 53s ago, saying: 'Good night'. Apr 21 23:36:34 anyone happen to have a clone of http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr-overlay.git ? Apr 21 23:38:50 something wrong with the main one? Apr 21 23:39:30 well, just before asking, git was getting stuck on a particular object Apr 21 23:39:40 and now it finished cloning it :-P Apr 21 23:46:22 Ainulindale: WHERE IS THE KERNEL uIMAGE??? Apr 21 23:56:52 In shr-testing, zenity doesnt build with make distro Apr 21 23:56:54 make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. Apr 21 23:57:01 problem again? Apr 21 23:58:44 comic-packer also crashes on my neo, must be missing some dep when i built it (just changed the ($workdir)/packer Apr 21 23:59:14 for now i pack the eet's on my main machine Apr 22 00:00:59 still i gotta say its a sweet lil comic reader Apr 22 00:01:20 otaku! Apr 22 00:10:22 to help out I uploaded uImage and shr.ffs to people.om.org/joerg/shr Apr 22 00:10:36 version as of Apr 17 Apr 22 00:11:04 err s/ffs/jffs2/ Apr 22 00:13:46 mrmoku|away: pong? Apr 22 00:13:48 DocScrutinizer: yo! Apr 22 00:14:02 hi raster :-) Apr 22 00:16:36 eeew, 65% swapspace filled. nned to kill a few browser and pdf-viewer instances eventually :-/ Apr 22 00:19:22 that's.. bad! Apr 22 00:19:33 browse less pr0n Apr 22 00:22:40 how much swap do you use Apr 22 00:24:08 stop using damn webapps Apr 22 00:24:38 bloody mountains of javascript and dom objects are killing you :) Apr 22 00:25:35 FF was a little of a hog, all other fsckng konwueror and acroread windows didn't help it Apr 22 00:25:46 still at 50% Apr 22 00:25:52 heheh Apr 22 00:26:32 going to restart Kontact Apr 22 00:26:48 hmm, eventually Apr 22 00:27:08 i ask cause i'm about to make a swapfile Apr 22 00:27:23 honestly I dunno Apr 22 00:28:18 howmuch memory does it have 256? or 128 Apr 22 00:28:24 gta02 Apr 22 00:28:36 isnt it 128 ram and 256 flash Apr 22 00:29:32 yeah i'll go ahead and try a 150M swap see what happens Apr 22 00:29:38 2G ram 4G swap Apr 22 00:29:52 you have that much!? Apr 22 00:30:02 LIES Apr 22 00:30:11 joergoff Apr 22 00:30:12 coney: he's not talking about his gta02 Apr 22 00:30:30 as for swap on gta02 - enjoy.. it will be wonderfully slow Apr 22 00:30:31 or ratio wise Apr 22 00:30:34 hehe, 2G in gta02 Apr 22 00:30:39 as sd card io is about 600k/sec last i knew Apr 22 00:31:11 yeah but doesnt that get swaped back to ram or is that not how swap works Apr 22 00:32:06 swap is where the os puts memory that is less used than other bits of ram Apr 22 00:32:09 when the os runs out of ram Apr 22 00:32:16 that means it needs to write the data there Apr 22 00:32:19 so what is swapping back to ram meaning in the end? reading from uSD Apr 22 00:32:27 and at some point if it needs the ram again - it needs to read it back Apr 22 00:32:35 those reads and writes will be at 600k/s Apr 22 00:32:40 whihc is absymally slow Apr 22 00:32:54 i could sacrifice my flash lifetime and put it there Apr 22 00:32:59 so when you begin to run out of ram Apr 22 00:33:02 :/ Apr 22 00:33:04 it will begin to really crawl Apr 22 00:33:15 instyead of throwing out disk cache which is what currently happens Apr 22 00:33:23 yeah i think i've experienced that once or twice Apr 22 00:33:28 (ie the kernel may throw out app memory in favor of disk cache) Apr 22 00:34:06 if you run out of ram at a 256MB device with 2442 proc, nothing will make your life easy - except killing processes Apr 22 00:34:24 gottcha noswap for me Apr 22 00:38:06 yeah, I got ~20% disk cache here, and 50% swap fill Apr 22 00:39:05 so adding swap effectively *reduces* the actually usable amount of ram Apr 22 00:39:27 DocScrutinizer: BUT ITS 128M Apr 22 00:39:27 guess we need to change swaps priority Apr 22 00:39:29 oops Apr 22 00:39:30 caps Apr 22 00:39:33 if you got a swapspace a 600k/s that's really bad Apr 22 00:39:52 err, yes. sorry Apr 22 00:39:57 not to mention if your also streaming other data from the uSD Apr 22 00:40:03 I'm dizzy ATM Apr 22 00:40:03 DocScrutinizer: you can tune the amount it will swap vs cache Apr 22 00:40:10 there is a /proc value for it Apr 22 00:40:13 I know Apr 22 00:40:16 yeah its paradoxical Apr 22 00:40:34 in the end swap won't pan out on FR Apr 22 00:40:38 anywy Apr 22 00:40:55 like loading images for tangogps from the uSD only to swap back to the uSD Apr 22 00:41:08 hehehe exactly Apr 22 00:41:10 I can only say anecdotally that after creating a swap file, stability has improved tremendously Apr 22 00:41:15 maybe just correlation, but true for me Apr 22 00:41:16 HOORAY GLAMO! Apr 22 00:41:35 ack for glamo Apr 22 00:41:37 coney: the swap back to the sd will be bigger Apr 22 00:41:40 (than the load) Apr 22 00:41:46 as the swap back will be UNCOMPRESSEd image data Apr 22 00:41:52 eek Apr 22 00:42:00 obviously Apr 22 00:42:01 which is likely between 4-50x the compressed data Apr 22 00:42:14 (depending if its lossy, lossless, and the atual image content) Apr 22 00:42:15 bummer Apr 22 00:42:25 howbout gmailfs swap Apr 22 00:42:30 :D Apr 22 00:42:55 given you have an unlimited dataplan Apr 22 00:43:38 even slower Apr 22 00:43:39 you can nfsmount a swap, anyway it wont be faster than uSD I'd guess ;D Apr 22 00:44:05 its a low end embedded device with slow IO Apr 22 00:44:21 and a network is slow - over wifi too Apr 22 00:44:23 and I really deprecate nfs-mounted swap anyway Apr 22 00:44:32 any swap over slow IO is going to be nasty Apr 22 00:44:46 its nasty enough if the swap is fast and over an async DMA'd IO Apr 22 00:44:53 (ie to a ide/sata disk) Apr 22 00:44:59 thats horrible enough as is Apr 22 00:45:03 as it's a rather cool method to *Really* freeze the system Apr 22 00:45:30 now think how bad it'd be if you swap at 1/50th of the speed Apr 22 00:45:37 AND you consume 100% cpu while doing it? Apr 22 00:45:55 (as opposed to about 0% when you can do it async with dma) Apr 22 00:45:59 imagine how bad it is if you can't swap at all anymore XD Apr 22 00:46:09 things crash Apr 22 00:46:10 :) Apr 22 00:46:15 at least they free up ram! Apr 22 00:46:44 for swapspace stalled at nfs I'd assume a severe kernel-freeze Apr 22 00:47:16 as there is no fallback for that I'd guess Apr 22 00:48:05 and I don't think swap deamon is managing to kill userland processes. It doesn't even know about prolly Apr 22 00:50:51 a malloc() might fail if swap is stall. A reference to a swaped-out page probably freezing swap-deamon forever Apr 22 00:52:24 hmm nbo Apr 22 00:52:36 it will just block Apr 22 00:52:46 kernel will try and use swap on nfs Apr 22 00:52:58 in the end it seems more sensible to have decently coded apps and setup your ulimits correctly Apr 22 00:53:09 if nfs is stalled (as it loves to do) then kernel will simply stall on allocating memory as it cant free any up into swap Apr 22 00:53:12 i never thought of swap so intricately Apr 22 00:53:22 chances are the kernel will just hang solid until an nfs timeout Apr 22 00:53:34 dunno what happens when swap literally gets io errors Apr 22 00:53:42 and yes Apr 22 00:53:51 if u are adding swap - you are doing it wrong Apr 22 00:53:59 stop using that hog of an app Apr 22 00:54:06 or fix apps to not be so hoggy Apr 22 00:55:25 check return of malloc() ;) Apr 22 00:55:52 be cute about when it fails Apr 22 00:56:08 most apps aren't Apr 22 00:56:34 a lot of coders assuming malloc() to be a safe call Apr 22 00:59:56 * DocScrutinizer won't even start to think about C++ Apr 22 01:02:10 * mwester wonders if anyone mentioned the OOM Killer in the discussion above. Apr 22 01:02:46 DocScrutinizer: you'd be surprised how littl code actually checkes malloc() returns Apr 22 01:03:01 I know Apr 22 01:03:08 DocScrutinizer: the real problemis in complex enough userspace apps - a malloc failuer will generally be as good a reason to exit as any Apr 22 01:03:15 and surely I#m not surprised Apr 22 01:03:29 eg you malloc a linked list noew (16bytes) to hold a poitner to another object u alloced Apr 22 01:03:35 but that 16byte malloc fails Apr 22 01:03:36 u have an obj Apr 22 01:03:40 but u cant put it in your list Apr 22 01:03:47 yup Apr 22 01:03:50 tho putting it in your list is part of aome other operation Apr 22 01:03:53 gracefully quit Apr 22 01:03:55 that is part of something else Apr 22 01:03:58 and up the chain Apr 22 01:04:04 with malloc linux have 2 problems Apr 22 01:04:09 usre - it is possible in theory to unwind and return nulls/errors up the tree Apr 22 01:04:18 but your software just starts behaving badly Apr 22 01:04:22 it does bizarre stuff Apr 22 01:04:25 1. even if you check malloc fail, best what you can do - is call exit Apr 22 01:04:34 2. don't forget aboout malloc overcommit! Apr 22 01:04:41 (man malloc / BUGS) Apr 22 01:04:44 huh? Apr 22 01:04:51 and you man not have enough ram to put up a dialog window saying "oops - we're out of ram!" Apr 22 01:04:52 :) Apr 22 01:04:58 so the user doesnt even know Apr 22 01:05:18 max_posedon: yes. with overcommit - malloc return values can be wrong anyway Apr 22 01:05:24 problem is that you can't implement this Apr 22 01:05:24 ie it says u got the ram Apr 22 01:05:26 but you really didnt Apr 22 01:05:33 i do check my malloc returns Apr 22 01:05:36 yeahyeah, no more free entry in proctable to start `kill` Apr 22 01:05:42 but the ones you can gracefulyl handle are allocs of big blobs Apr 22 01:05:45 eg you load a big image Apr 22 01:05:51 (4096x4096 pixels) Apr 22 01:05:53 overcommit just kills all ideas about checking malloc result Apr 22 01:06:13 but linux can *kill* another process Apr 22 01:06:16 @ 32bpp thats 64m of data Apr 22 01:06:22 if that fails. the image load fails Apr 22 01:06:24 say, init) Apr 22 01:06:30 thats fine as you failed a big big big blob of memory alloc Apr 22 01:06:36 you can sanely recover Apr 22 01:06:51 accoding to man malloc Apr 22 01:06:51 imho what you need is a daemon monitorign process Apr 22 01:07:09 IMHO you need ulimt Apr 22 01:07:12 that polls /proc/meminfo Apr 22 01:07:27 linux can killl your daemon, he can kill even init Apr 22 01:07:49 (but usually it kills correct app) Apr 22 01:07:59 and when memory is getting LOW it telsl you nicely "hey. memory is low.. what do you want to close?" and offers a list of "applications" (not processes - ie dameons and wm etc. are not in it) to close Apr 22 01:08:18 DocScrutinizer: ulimit simply is no differnt to not handling the mallo cNULL return ans egving Apr 22 01:08:20 sounds nice Apr 22 01:08:24 the end result is your app exists Apr 22 01:08:29 be it a segv Apr 22 01:08:31 For me it has always killed the app trying to use more memory (and the kernel log says so) Apr 22 01:08:31 or an exit() Apr 22 01:08:32 hm.... daemon is ok Apr 22 01:08:49 but I'll prefer swap as solution, with very low priority Apr 22 01:09:00 you want a daemon that lets the user decide what to kill before the kernel just arbitarily decides Apr 22 01:09:22 the only other thing i could want is the ability to swap out an entire process AND put it on iice Apr 22 01:09:29 ie kill -STOP process Apr 22 01:09:37 then swapout process Apr 22 01:09:39 eeeew Apr 22 01:09:49 and it stays froxen and swapped out Apr 22 01:09:55 smells like deadlock Apr 22 01:10:09 i woul;dnt have kernel do it Apr 22 01:10:13 it'd be a userspace proc Apr 22 01:10:19 monitoring for very low memory situations Apr 22 01:10:21 it will only swap out Apr 22 01:10:23 "apps" Apr 22 01:10:44 * Toaster` wishes he understood the elementary sizing system... Apr 22 01:10:49 ie things not core to the functioning of the system (wm, x, backend daemons etc.) Apr 22 01:11:10 Toaster`: hehe, distractor ;) Apr 22 01:11:48 yes, but this is little bit another ideas, anyway, I just want poit people re-read man malloc about overcommit Apr 22 01:12:30 ahh, take the winmoob6 approach and kill all apps via cron every day at 03:13 Apr 22 01:12:33 because it explain why checking result of malloc in linux near useless. Apr 22 01:12:39 DocScrutinizer: Well, I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out why one module displays one way, and another, copied from the first, displays another. Apr 22 01:12:41 max_posedon: for those that have a clue about memory... they already know it :) Apr 22 01:12:50 and its about that time that you give up on chekcing malloc return values Apr 22 01:12:51 :) Apr 22 01:13:32 Toaster`: hgave you looked at test.c ? Apr 22 01:13:41 its a nice big example of just about all the layout you could need Apr 22 01:13:41 imho the kernel shouldn't play smart and kill other processes, it should kill itself, that would solve any memory problems on the system Apr 22 01:13:57 XD Apr 22 01:14:33 hahahah Apr 22 01:14:33 echo "detonate" > /sys/battery/special Apr 22 01:14:38 yep, kexec as `or other auto reboot` solution can be pretty good) Apr 22 01:14:58 DocScrutinizer, kill -s KILL -1, kinda the same) Apr 22 01:15:01 actually one big problem we do have is memory fragmentation Apr 22 01:15:09 i know that e suffers from itbadly Apr 22 01:15:43 after a while about 30-40% of the memory allocated to e are actually unused Apr 22 01:15:49 as its just fragmented space Apr 22 01:15:52 hm... doesn't SLUB memory allocator at least make this problem partly fixed? Apr 22 01:17:02 I thought all SLUB is a solution for such use-cases Apr 22 01:17:11 raster: I have and currently reading again... but the knowledge is not working it's way into my skull :( Apr 22 01:18:19 jeez, my mail systray says "404" ;D Apr 22 01:18:27 scary Apr 22 01:19:10 raster: How does this happen? You allocate several times a part less than a single page, and then free some of them, and the whole page is still allocated to you? Apr 22 01:19:33 raster, and about your `memory daemon` Apr 22 01:19:53 I just think that starting mission critical parts of system without allowing them swapping Apr 22 01:19:59 ah-ha! solved it. Apr 22 01:20:01 thrashold: that's the usual way alloc isperating afaik Apr 22 01:20:13 *is operating Apr 22 01:20:16 and with big swap doing kinda same thing Apr 22 01:21:20 swap experiance Apr 22 01:21:23 128M Apr 22 01:21:31 impossible to rsync Apr 22 01:21:43 large tangogps map stores without Apr 22 01:21:47 phone is more stable Apr 22 01:21:50 downside is Apr 22 01:21:58 when a lot is swapped out Apr 22 01:22:05 phone is unstable and slow Apr 22 01:22:14 so swapoff/swapon when Apr 22 01:22:16 slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow Apr 22 01:22:27 need for stuff in swap ends Apr 22 01:22:31 fixes Apr 22 01:22:50 runs fine until usual crash causes catch up with it Apr 22 01:22:56 duh, swapoff is killing processes? Apr 22 01:23:05 no Apr 22 01:23:06 no, swapoff Apr 22 01:23:21 flushes blocks back Apr 22 01:23:42 yup I thought so Apr 22 01:23:55 so, only once solution is ok Apr 22 01:23:58 but what' actually happening if it simply CAN'T Apr 22 01:24:14 write as small memory usage programs as possible Apr 22 01:24:26 you guys still talking about swaping Apr 22 01:24:28 and use as much shared libraries as can Apr 22 01:24:44 coney, yes Apr 22 01:24:48 sorry i brought it up Apr 22 01:25:05 why? it's fun Apr 22 01:25:24 swaping is headache for devs Apr 22 01:25:25 we're hackers. we like that sorta stuff ;) Apr 22 01:25:26 on another note checkout scap.linuxtogo for my latest screendump Apr 22 01:26:06 comic_reader is kewl Apr 22 01:27:17 kernal has "/proc/sys/vm/swappiness" to control swap aggressivness Apr 22 01:28:29 won't help. If swapping starts the whole phone is comming to a grinding halt anyway Apr 22 01:28:34 yeah see what happens when you make it super low priority Apr 22 01:28:58 ... Apr 22 01:29:29 is there anything in the shr repo for sip stuff Apr 22 01:29:45 minisip linphone anything Apr 22 01:30:10 try adapting twinkle Apr 22 01:30:28 problem with swap, that sometimes it usefull Apr 22 01:30:47 for cli only compileoption it should even work "out of the box" Apr 22 01:30:53 some apps (X?) read smth in his memory during start and forget about it Apr 22 01:30:53 cant be too tough to make a twinkle.bb Apr 22 01:31:22 swaping such parts of apps frees memory little bit for more important Apr 22 01:31:38 my earlier build of fso-image-light died and now i know why (no space left on device) good lord oe eats space Apr 22 01:31:42 coney: I could help pushing michel de boer (author of twinkle) ;-) Apr 22 01:32:19 you guys hang out? Apr 22 01:32:43 well, I know him anyway ;) Apr 22 01:33:05 atm he's porting twinkle to KDE4, which prolly means QT4 Apr 22 01:33:42 so doing the port to GTE should be hard to do concurrently Apr 22 01:33:47 http://www.xs4all.nl/~mfnboer/twinkle/index.html yeah qt4 is a dep Apr 22 01:34:10 oh cool i didnt realize he was an xs4all dude Apr 22 01:34:23 thrashold: correct. youhave the whole page still active Apr 22 01:34:29 possibly even whole blank pages 100% emprt Apr 22 01:34:33 still in your memory space Apr 22 01:34:51 :-/ Apr 22 01:34:55 and all these little holes betwene allocated sections build up after a while to give you a nasty lot of fragmentation Apr 22 01:36:30 max_posedon: yes. so things like x, the memory check/selec t-process-to-kill etc. daemon, dropbear, init, etc. etc. are left as-is. only apps you LAUNCH get killed off if you run out of ram (and then you get a choice as to which one to close) Apr 22 01:36:41 s/GTE/QTE/ Apr 22 01:37:58 nb Apr 22 01:38:05 shader libs will only savew you a few mb Apr 22 01:38:10 if everyone uses the same ones Apr 22 01:38:13 it does help Apr 22 01:38:18 but not immensely Apr 22 01:38:24 if you have 3 major toolkits Apr 22 01:38:35 it only costs maybe an extra 10m or ram at worst Apr 22 01:38:41 to have 3 instead of 1 Apr 22 01:38:50 they still all share xlib and libc and other libs Apr 22 01:40:25 foolish git questions if I may, quick googling isn't turing up what I'm looking for. How can I get a diff between my local and the remote git? Apr 22 01:40:44 git-diff Apr 22 01:41:00 if u have comiitted stuff already to a local branch Apr 22 01:41:04 or just your local git Apr 22 01:41:18 git-format-patch origin Apr 22 01:44:38 raster: there's a thing like your kill-deamon already, it's in Kicker-miniprogram-addon, called "uncontrolled processes" or sth like that Apr 22 01:46:47 aaah a plugin to kicker Apr 22 01:46:49 in kde Apr 22 01:47:05 would probably need one that doesnt require kicker/kde :) Apr 22 01:47:19 but the concept isnt newe Apr 22 01:47:26 its actually very easy to do Apr 22 01:47:33 the hardest bit is listing the "applications" Apr 22 01:47:43 ie what is an "app" and what is a "process not to list" Apr 22 01:50:05 it's in setup of this stinky kicker-applet. A PITA to config Apr 22 01:51:05 nevertheless you should have a look at it. Even if you won't implement it for FR-KDE ;D Apr 22 01:51:20 hehehe Apr 22 01:53:03 first of all it "exploits" the not-that-braindead user manmagement of a standard linux - as opposed to FR knowing rot only Apr 22 01:53:10 *root even Apr 22 01:53:44 greatly simplifies things here ;) Apr 22 01:54:16 as you're monitoring user processes only, not root processes Apr 22 01:54:27 sure Apr 22 01:54:30 tho even with usr procs Apr 22 01:54:34 u dont want to kill kicker Apr 22 01:54:35 or wm Apr 22 01:54:45 or other things that are part of the "session" Apr 22 01:54:45 * DocScrutinizer mumbles swearwords about FR's user setup Apr 22 01:54:49 so you need that logic anyway Apr 22 01:56:40 nah, if it's going havoc, you even might want to kill wm Apr 22 01:57:05 effectively restarting the session Apr 22 02:02:58 you wouldnt offer it as a process to kill Apr 22 02:03:02 imho Apr 22 02:03:09 at that point a good reboot would be in order Apr 22 02:03:51 * DocScrutinizer wonders whether to upgrade to diablo(?) on secondary N810 right now Apr 22 02:06:20 raster: this kde-thing doesn't offer a list of procs. it's monitoring each proc separately doing sth like a ulimit and offers to kill/ignore a runaway process Apr 22 02:07:15 raster: dunno what this thing is acting like when number of procs running away and each of them behaves Apr 22 02:07:28 its really the same thing in the end Apr 22 02:07:34 you need to monitor N procs Apr 22 02:07:41 then offer them to be killed Apr 22 02:07:48 possibly sort by "biggest memory hog first" Apr 22 02:08:00 while u are at it you can monitor for cpu use Apr 22 02:08:06 if some proc sits at 80%+ cpu Apr 22 02:08:10 AND is not "visible" Apr 22 02:08:10 yeah, it just offers biggest hog Apr 22 02:08:14 (ie have an active window) Apr 22 02:08:17 and iot stays there for a while Apr 22 02:08:27 bring up a "hey - this app is not behaving well.. want to kill it?" Apr 22 02:08:37 exactly Apr 22 02:08:37 i'd offer the list tho Apr 22 02:08:41 it will be short Apr 22 02:08:46 and if u have 2 hogs Apr 22 02:08:48 1 using 50m Apr 22 02:08:50 one using 30m Apr 22 02:08:56 the 30m one may be more preferable to kill Apr 22 02:08:57 sure Apr 22 02:09:01 as its "not necessary" Apr 22 02:09:08 but your 50m one is the browser u are using for gmail Apr 22 02:09:13 and of course it will eat 50m Apr 22 02:12:05 on kde-foo you could select "add to whitelist" and eventually the 30M-hog would be next to be offered for a kill Apr 22 02:12:54 at least thats what I thought this thing is supposed to work like Apr 22 02:18:33 raster: thanks for the git help Apr 22 02:19:37 awesome... kernel panic... Apr 22 02:20:46 hahaha Apr 22 02:21:02 DocScrutinizer: to be honest.. a list of the apps will do Apr 22 02:21:15 you wont have so many - maybe 4 or 5 at most (unless you are nuts) Apr 22 02:21:23 and just list them in order of hogginess **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 22 02:59:57 2009