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Apr 22 03:44:23 <coney> love how shr is now binding ~/ to a folder on the uSD why didnt i think of that before?
Apr 22 03:45:19 <coney> to think i would mess around with changing tangogps's sources save as, so manny times before when i could of just done that
Apr 22 03:45:31 <coney> i'm stupid
Apr 22 03:46:34 <mwester> It shouldn't be doing that; that bug was fixed some days ago.
Apr 22 03:50:36 <coney> bug?
Apr 22 03:51:05 <coney> i like it
Apr 22 03:51:16 <coney> unless there are issues?
Apr 22 03:52:01 <coney> i did have to manualy mkdir /mnt/card/bind-root or somethin whatever is in fstab
Apr 22 03:52:29 <coney> /media/card/bind-home/
Apr 22 03:53:57 <mwester> Yeah, lots of issues.   It's a nice idea, but not well-thought-out.
Apr 22 03:54:35 <mwester> I presume your card is formatted ext2 or ext3?
Apr 22 03:54:36 <coney> like what? missing/corrupt files?
Apr 22 03:54:41 <coney> ext3
Apr 22 03:54:52 <coney> ah fat would F it up
Apr 22 03:54:59 <coney> no permissions etc
Apr 22 03:55:06 <mwester> case insensitivity...
Apr 22 03:55:07 <coney> but its cool i hate fat 
Apr 22 03:55:10 <mwester> Yeah, totally breaks
Apr 22 03:55:25 <coney> u could mount it utf8
Apr 22 03:55:31 <coney> case sensitive
Apr 22 03:55:56 <mwester> right.  Or you could use the second partition.
Apr 22 03:55:59 <mwester> Or the third.
Apr 22 03:56:18 <coney> so i wont run into troubles with my setup? 
Apr 22 03:56:49 <mwester> but then, what if I add the card AFTER I've already been using the phone for a while?  Then suddenly the contents of my homedir vanish (with anything in the hidden subfolders as well)...  oops!
Apr 22 03:57:02 <mwester> And of course, the user who did that has no idea what went wrong.
Apr 22 03:57:08 <mwester> They just "lost data" is all they know.
Apr 22 03:57:11 <coney> jesus dont scare me like that
Apr 22 03:57:34 <mwester> Nope, it's a good idea, but it needs to be opt-in via a startup option.
Apr 22 03:57:47 <coney> i like to think i'm semi competent
Apr 22 03:58:08 <mwester> coney:  you'll be fine -- you know what's going on and where your data really is.  It's the unsuspecting users that will run into trouble.
Apr 22 03:58:41 <coney> XD
Apr 22 04:00:12 <coney> like i used oe to build wifi-radar comic-reader ettercap-ng(GTK)  and a few other things
Apr 22 04:00:49 <coney> compiling comic-packer for my host machine was even a bit tricky
Apr 22 04:01:05 <coney> i had to manually make LD etc VARS
Apr 22 04:01:11 <coney> man that was a strech :D
Apr 22 04:01:33 <coney> took me a good few hours
Apr 22 04:02:47 <coney> i think i forgot plugin support for ettercap i'm pretty sure from my gentoo days you had to explicitly state you wanted plugin support during configure
Apr 22 04:03:13 <coney> no biggy
Apr 22 04:57:50 <coney> yup
Apr 22 05:32:14 <mrmoku> raster: pingpong :-)
Apr 22 05:38:37 <mrmoku> mwester: ping
Apr 22 05:50:45 <raster> mrmoku:  pong
Apr 22 05:51:11 <mrmoku> raster: hey... remember my layout problem?
Apr 22 05:51:29 <mrmoku> raster: I don't understand it and need some clue hammer
Apr 22 05:51:31 <tobii_> morning
Apr 22 05:52:13 <raster> you got me at a bad time
Apr 22 05:52:16 <mrmoku> raster: the thing positioned wrongly is a home grown elm widget (elm-resizing-label done from quickdev)
Apr 22 05:52:20 <mrmoku> ahh... ok
Apr 22 05:52:21 <raster> i need to go off and collect some componentry
Apr 22 05:52:37 <mrmoku> some kind of fast disk? :-)
Apr 22 05:52:48 <raster> well replace my hdd as i'm getting dma errors
Apr 22 05:53:01 <raster> and i'm about to travel to korea and europe for about 5-6 weeks
Apr 22 05:53:09 <mrmoku> uhh
Apr 22 05:53:12 <raster> so i dont wnt a hdd crapping out on my in the middle of it
Apr 22 05:53:16 <raster> so i'm going solid-state
Apr 22 05:53:28 <raster> i want something that is going to work... and keep working
Apr 22 05:54:57 <raster> my guess is the widget doesnt resize to fill tis space?
Apr 22 06:52:54 <coney> hu
Apr 22 06:57:48 <methril|work> morning
Apr 22 07:37:18 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb1cc8dd46693 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: 
Apr 22 07:37:18 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Use proper base class when calling responseFromChannel
Apr 22 07:37:18 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: This fixes bug #390 and also fixes a potential problem in ListCalls.
Apr 22 07:44:51 <coney> oh... my... god... comic_packer rox
Apr 22 07:45:18 <methril|work> ?
Apr 22 07:45:28 <coney> wonder what kinda compression it uses
Apr 22 07:45:33 <coney> enlightenment eet
Apr 22 07:45:47 <coney> http://code.google.com/p/comic-reader/
Apr 22 07:46:34 <coney> http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Eet
Apr 22 07:46:48 <coney> that program really is leet
Apr 22 07:49:00 <coney> like i took a bunch of images from my camera and put them in comic book folder/file format  about a gig of big pictures, squashed down to like 300M
Apr 22 07:49:44 <coney> my battery will die before i can ever look at each :D
Apr 22 07:50:39 <coney> the random access reading of eet's really rox on the moko
Apr 22 07:52:46 <coney> just thought i'd share that 
Apr 22 08:20:19 <spaetz> yay, dynamicaly created cairo image displayed in my elementary window
Apr 22 08:20:33 <spaetz> looks good
Apr 22 08:27:50 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r228ec242bf44 10/vapi/evas.vapi: 
Apr 22 08:27:50 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: [evas.vapi] add Image.size_get() binding
Apr 22 08:27:50 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sebastian Spaeth <Sebastian@SSpaeth.de>
Apr 22 08:33:08 <m0nt0> hi everybody, i've got a problem crosscompiling a package, during the compilation it tries to bind to my x86 glib dir i think because it says "skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgtk.so" and i don't think that ld should search in /usr/lib but in /usr/local/openmoko/.... how can i change that search path?
Apr 22 08:33:27 <m0nt0> i can post the ccache line which raise that error
Apr 22 08:37:06 <coney> sounds like you didnt setup your env
Apr 22 08:41:36 <m0nt0> no i've set it up, om-conf on the dir, cd dir, make
Apr 22 08:43:42 <m0nt0> . /usr/local/openmoko/arm/environment-setup; . /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env; om-conf xbill-2.1; cd xbill-2.1/ ; make
Apr 22 08:44:01 <m0nt0> well executed one command at a time, not in oneline
Apr 22 08:44:39 <playya> anyone interested in recipes for ewww and webkit-efl?
Apr 22 08:44:59 <m0nt0> playya, is it working well?
Apr 22 08:45:33 <spaetz> playya: you'd make TAsn happy with that
Apr 22 08:45:34 <playya> the recipe? I'm currently testing
Apr 22 08:45:54 <playya> but it takes a while to chckout the webkit-efl code
Apr 22 08:46:21 <playya> but ewww is a coll browser
Apr 22 08:46:27 <playya> s/coll/cool
Apr 22 08:48:52 <spaetz> playya: if it's good I'd be interested in pushing it into SHR
Apr 22 08:49:21 <Ainulindale> shoragan?
Apr 22 08:49:24 <playya> can you test them. maybe a depency is missing
Apr 22 08:50:12 <coney> along with intone and comic-reader
Apr 22 08:50:17 <coney> while your at it
Apr 22 08:50:53 <coney> er wait i think comic-reader is in the main oe tree anywho
Apr 22 08:51:47 <coney> http://code.google.com/p/intone/
Apr 22 08:52:29 <playya> spaetz, here are the recipes if you want to test them: http://playya.net/openmoko/
Apr 22 08:53:56 <spaetz> playya: I've saved the recipes but won't get to do anything with them today
Apr 22 08:54:16 <spaetz> ewww is the frontend and webkit-efl the rendering engine?
Apr 22 08:54:22 <playya> it takes a while to checkout the webkit code
Apr 22 08:54:43 <playya> s/a while/some time
Apr 22 08:54:52 <playya> nasty german
Apr 22 08:55:00 <spaetz> I'll push them into the SHR repo now, as untested code. WOuld be a pity to lose them
Apr 22 08:55:17 <playya> you are crazy ;)
Apr 22 08:56:06 <Ainulindale> well no
Apr 22 08:56:09 <Ainulindale> It's there for that
Apr 22 08:56:16 <Ainulindale> Push it there, just don't add it to any task
Apr 22 08:56:23 <Ainulindale> As long as it doesn't break a normal build we don't care
Apr 22 08:56:32 <spaetz> what credit should I add, playya?
Apr 22 08:56:44 <spaetz> Ainulindale: that's what I intended
Apr 22 08:56:59 <spaetz> just "playya from IRC"? :)
Apr 22 08:57:18 <playya> yes. or Frederik Sdun if you want to
Apr 22 08:57:35 <spaetz> ahh, YOU are Frederik Sdun
Apr 22 08:57:40 <spaetz> interesting
Apr 22 08:57:44 <playya> yes
Apr 22 08:58:27 * playya tries to figure out why dbus_g_proxy_manager_unregister is called in fso-monitord
Apr 22 08:58:53 <Ainulindale> I eventually got the net back \o/
Apr 22 08:59:08 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: how's ADAM? ;)
Apr 22 09:00:26 <CIA-75> SHR: 03playya 07shr-overlay * r82b8e140a4b1 10/openembedded/recipes/ewww/ (ewww_git.bb webkit-efl_git.bb): [ewww] add new (untested) recipes for ewww webbrowser
Apr 22 09:00:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: solved the issue
Apr 22 09:01:03 <Ainulindale> Turns out it was my intern's fault
Apr 22 09:01:10 <Ainulindale> Forgot to add the rule to the host VM firewall
Apr 22 09:01:20 <playya> spaetz, you can move the webkit-efl file into webkit
Apr 22 09:01:20 <mrmoku> uhh... hope you spanked him hard :P
Apr 22 09:01:27 <Ainulindale> Yeah something in these lines
Apr 22 09:01:38 <spaetz> is there a webkit dir?
Apr 22 09:01:55 <spaetz> or does webkit-efl make any sense without ewww?
Apr 22 09:01:57 <Ainulindale> in OE yes
Apr 22 09:02:03 <playya> hmm. i don't know about the shr-overlay
Apr 22 09:02:08 <mrmoku> anybody in here experiencing the segfault in the messages app with latest shr-unstable?
Apr 22 09:02:15 <spaetz> ok, so I'll move it to a webkit dir
Apr 22 09:02:17 * mrmoku would be really interested in a backtrace
Apr 22 09:02:21 <spaetz> to make upstreaming easier
Apr 22 09:02:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: nah
Apr 22 09:03:57 <CIA-75> SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r482aeddd529b 10/openembedded/recipes/ (ewww/webkit-efl_git.bb webkit/webkit-efl_git.bb): [webkit-efl] move to webkit directory
Apr 22 09:04:17 <spaetz> some random segfaults yep
Apr 22 09:04:26 <spaetz> ahh no, that was the contact app
Apr 22 09:06:23 <mrmoku> spaetz: hmm... that would interest me too :-)
Apr 22 09:12:29 <spaetz> I blamed it on frameworkd not being really up yet
Apr 22 09:12:48 <spaetz> I think it was before the SIM auth dialog
Apr 22 09:13:00 <mrmoku> spaetz: ahh... yeah that one, ok... pff :-)
Apr 22 09:13:15 <spaetz> exactly, so I didn't think too much about it
Apr 22 09:13:52 <max_posedon> I thought all openmoko users disable SIM auth)
Apr 22 09:13:54 <spaetz> It's just a tad annoying to have your FR up and running and still have to wait 2 minutes until frameworkd decides that it is finished now :)
Apr 22 09:14:08 <spaetz> max_posedon: why? nahh
Apr 22 09:14:54 <max_posedon> just because old auth bugs, (and may be new), and it is easier to reboot phone
Apr 22 09:16:38 <raster> BOOJAH!
Apr 22 09:17:00 <coney> oi its rasterman
Apr 22 09:17:39 <mrmoku> raster: fast?
Apr 22 09:17:56 <raster> coney: lies! lies! spread by my competitors
Apr 22 09:18:02 <raster> mrmoku: dunno... just got home
Apr 22 09:18:08 <raster> time to... try the sucker out
Apr 22 09:18:14 <mrmoku> ahh... ok :-)
Apr 22 09:19:59 <coney> how bout those beagle boards eh? i want to get me one
Apr 22 09:20:21 <raster> coney: order one. them are fast .little arm chips
Apr 22 09:20:27 <coney> esp with the mini projector setup
Apr 22 09:20:30 <raster> if i were building a phone. i'd use one of them
Apr 22 09:20:50 <coney> wouldnt that make it about the size of an eeepc?
Apr 22 09:21:29 <coney> screen/inputs case
Apr 22 09:22:00 <coney> looking at those benchmarks on your page very kewl
Apr 22 09:22:32 <coney> you should plot out the data with gnuplot eh!?
Apr 22 09:23:51 <coney> give it that extra "numbers are for geeks but graphs are for uber geeks"
Apr 22 09:28:52 <raster> coney:  hell no
Apr 22 09:29:01 <raster> coney: the palm pre - smaller than the iphone, uses omap3
Apr 22 09:29:05 <methril|work> raster: if i were building a phone i choose the OMAP3530 or the newer one with Cortex A9 (two cores) :D
Apr 22 09:29:05 <raster> trust me
Apr 22 09:29:09 <raster> the chip is small
Apr 22 09:29:12 <spaetz> heya raster. Evas.Image in Elementary: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9031/screenshotgps.png
Apr 22 09:29:13 <raster> very small
Apr 22 09:29:21 <spaetz> dynamically created with cairo
Apr 22 09:29:31 <spaetz> never saved to file
Apr 22 09:29:40 <raster> spaetz:  :) perfect!
Apr 22 09:29:45 <raster> as it should be
Apr 22 09:29:52 <raster> if u really want vector stuff.. cairo does the job
Apr 22 09:30:14 <raster> it means u leave the FP math to just when you need it
Apr 22 09:30:25 <spaetz> and all done with vala
Apr 22 09:30:29 <spaetz> :)
Apr 22 09:31:28 <raster> well.. just the app bits
Apr 22 09:31:32 <raster> 99% of the rest is c :)
Apr 22 09:31:59 <spaetz> hehe
Apr 22 09:32:01 <spaetz> righto
Apr 22 09:32:40 <spaetz> took me a while to get the whol filled_set/alpha_set/data_set/data_copy_set combo right
Apr 22 09:33:32 <raster> cool
Apr 22 09:33:50 <raster> you looked at the smart cairo code for help?
Apr 22 09:33:56 <raster> u really justr need to set image size
Apr 22 09:33:59 <raster> set alpha flag
Apr 22 09:34:06 <raster> and the get data (for writing)
Apr 22 09:34:13 <raster> use that data pointer to draw to in cairo
Apr 22 09:34:15 <raster> (argb32)
Apr 22 09:34:21 <raster> then sert the data pointer back
Apr 22 09:34:32 <raster> then... add update rectangles
Apr 22 09:34:51 <spaetz> nahh, not yet.
Apr 22 09:35:00 <spaetz> but will look into it for more inspiration
Apr 22 09:35:26 <spaetz> well Image.data_set crashed with segfault
Apr 22 09:35:35 <spaetz> but data_copy_set worked
Apr 22 09:35:48 <spaetz> so I guess, the data was freed somewhoe by vala
Apr 22 09:35:58 <raster> data_set works
Apr 22 09:36:03 <raster> BUt it literally USES that data pointer
Apr 22 09:36:08 <raster> so u can set data with zero-copy
Apr 22 09:36:11 <raster> BUT
Apr 22 09:36:24 <raster> it means u have to keep that data pointer around as long as evas is using it
Apr 22 09:36:28 <raster> and dont change the size
Apr 22 09:36:41 <spaetz> yep, need to investigate why it crashed. somehow the data pointer got freed by vala or something
Apr 22 09:37:00 <raster> yeah
Apr 22 09:37:04 <raster> then evas would be most unhappy
Apr 22 09:37:14 <raster> the copy forces evas to copy the data for yuou into its own buffer
Apr 22 09:37:21 <raster> but it means an extra copy (bad for performance)
Apr 22 09:37:22 <spaetz> right
Apr 22 09:37:29 <raster> generally u'll be better off having evas alloc and manage the data
Apr 22 09:37:34 <raster> and set the image size
Apr 22 09:37:36 <raster> set alpha
Apr 22 09:37:38 <spaetz> that's how I understoof it
Apr 22 09:37:39 <raster> THEN get the data ptr
Apr 22 09:37:46 <raster> create a cairo surface around that data ptr
Apr 22 09:37:47 <raster> draw
Apr 22 09:37:59 <raster> then free cairo surf (should leave data pointer unfreed and evas is managing it)
Apr 22 09:38:11 <spaetz> I see
Apr 22 09:38:13 <spaetz> sounds good
Apr 22 09:38:29 <spaetz> will go along that path
Apr 22 09:38:41 <Ainulindale> spaetz: you should work on shr-config :-)
Apr 22 09:38:53 <spaetz> Ainulindale: well, that IS work on shr-confi
Apr 22 09:38:54 <spaetz> g
Apr 22 09:39:03 <Ainulindale> Dynamically generate images? :-)
Apr 22 09:39:06 <Ainulindale> +d
Apr 22 09:39:18 <spaetz> don't you recognized the gps settings screen: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9031/screenshotgps.png ? :)
Apr 22 09:39:25 <raster> just also remember to set the same data ptr back when u are done
Apr 22 09:39:41 <raster> and sety the "for_writing" flag to 1 when you get it (as u will be writing to it)
Apr 22 09:39:42 <spaetz> yep, I want GPS reception barcharts and the sat position circles
Apr 22 09:39:50 <raster> AND rememebr to add update recots for the regions you changed
Apr 22 09:40:24 <spaetz> raster: will try to recall all that.
Apr 22 09:40:27 * spaetz saves log
Apr 22 09:40:42 <Ainulindale> spaetz: nah
Apr 22 09:43:13 <mrmoku> raster: changing the font size of a label on the fly is not yet possible, right?
Apr 22 09:43:39 <mrmoku> (elm label that is)
Apr 22 09:50:53 <raster> mrmoku: no - but setting widget scale is
Apr 22 09:51:53 <mrmoku> raster: ahh... needing only size changes this might do it, right?
Apr 22 09:53:57 <raster> yup
Apr 22 09:54:05 <raster> you want also different styled labels
Apr 22 09:54:09 <raster> right now there is only 1 style
Apr 22 09:54:15 <raster> i need to add multi-style labels
Apr 22 10:15:36 <pwgen> who is responsible for the /etc/network/interfaces file  on shr ... its flodding my resolv.conf .. ?
Apr 22 10:17:57 <soul9> hi
Apr 22 10:18:01 <soul9> can anyonbe tell me what package make is in on shr?
Apr 22 10:26:12 <budfive> any fso people here?
Apr 22 10:34:50 <Q-Master> raster: I want to talk about the size of some windows. Is there a possibility of controlling a dpi settings through the toolbar. This anyhow can fix some windows that are bigger than the screen. 8)
Apr 22 10:37:24 <coney> any ideas how to change shr's dialer icon? its not in /usr/share/pixmaps
Apr 22 10:55:01 <dos1> i see ewww is in shr-overlay
Apr 22 10:55:04 <max_posedon> coney, answer is incide /usr/share/applications
Apr 22 10:55:20 <dos1> but why ewww instead of eve? it's in e17 repo
Apr 22 10:55:28 <dos1> and it's newer ewww ;P
Apr 22 10:57:04 <dos1> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/PROTO/eve/
Apr 22 10:58:18 <coney> /usr/share/applications/shr-settings-addons-illume/phone.desktop
Apr 22 10:58:45 <coney> guess i forgot to scp -r when i coppied /usr/share/app
Apr 22 10:59:13 <max_posedon> wrong, should be /usr/share/applications/(openmoko|shr)-dialer3.desktop
Apr 22 10:59:18 <max_posedon> there link to png
Apr 22 11:02:05 <dos1> coney: shr-settings-addons-illume? what's the problem?
Apr 22 11:04:02 <coney> nevermind i give up
Apr 22 11:04:14 <dos1> icons?
Apr 22 11:04:16 <dos1> or what?
Apr 22 11:04:20 <coney> i just wanted to touchup the daamn shr icons like dialer
Apr 22 11:05:29 <coney> cause i realized with a neat background the icons with borders... suck and take up too much desktop when i like seeing my background
Apr 22 11:05:38 <coney> :D
Apr 22 11:05:52 <coney> its fine i give it i changed what i could
Apr 22 11:06:26 <coney> off to bigger and better things 
Apr 22 11:07:29 <dos1> coney: /usr/share/pixmaps?
Apr 22 11:07:50 <dos1> or /usr/share/icons/shr
Apr 22 11:07:56 <dos1> second one i think
Apr 22 11:08:51 <coney> ok later i'll tackle that
Apr 22 11:15:15 <pwgen> how do i enter a thelephone number useing the shr contact application ( i can select and enter the name field but the number field is not reachable ) ?
Apr 22 11:20:54 <mrmoku> pwgen: it is... have to tap on the upper side of the number field
Apr 22 11:23:28 <raster> cd C/shm
Apr 22 11:24:55 <coney> i just double smack it
Apr 22 11:27:45 <CIA-75> SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r9e6bcb4bef13 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/shr-splash.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): initscripts-shr: provide shr-splash.sh script
Apr 22 11:28:11 <CIA-75> SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r4cb30f1b7ac2 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/initscripts-shr_git.bb: initscripts-shr: bump PR
Apr 22 11:29:10 <mrmoku> dos1: :-) got stuck yesterday
Apr 22 11:29:36 <pwgen> mrmoku: thx it works ! but what i did in the past ??.. i tapped everywere  with no result .. strange ..
Apr 22 11:30:24 <mrmoku> pwgen: :-) me too thought once it does not work... looks like it's quite common
Apr 22 11:30:51 <CIA-75> SHR: 03dos 07shr-settings * r32b01b36ee86 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [services] change ignoring from shr-splash to shr-splash.sh
Apr 22 11:31:17 <dos1> mrmoku: bb file for shr-splash-theme-simple is needed ;)
Apr 22 11:32:19 <mrmoku> dos1: which installs just the images then...
Apr 22 11:32:43 <ptitjes> men I finally succeeded in installing a Gentoo that I can dual-boot to and also open it through Parallels
Apr 22 11:33:07 <ptitjes> (last Parallels version support 64 bit SMP guest OS...)
Apr 22 11:33:10 * mrmoku prefers bananas.... to apples ;)
Apr 22 11:33:25 <ptitjes> so I can know oe on Gentoo again :)
Apr 22 11:33:51 <ptitjes> through SSH to Gentoo/Parallels
Apr 22 11:34:03 <CIA-75> SHR: 03dos 07shr-settings * redc2d12b1989 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [serviced] last commit was wrong, .sh scripts are ignored automatically. Removing shr-splash.sh from ignore list.
Apr 22 11:34:10 <dos1> ;x
Apr 22 11:34:29 <dos1> i hope i didn't broke anything
Apr 22 11:34:31 <dos1> and it works ;)
Apr 22 11:35:06 <mrmoku> dos1: mwester and me would happily welcome you into our exclusive breakers club
Apr 22 11:35:21 <dos1> what about adding shr-splash.sh to 0 and 6 runlevels? (Please wait, shutting down...)
Apr 22 11:36:34 <mrmoku> dos1: will finish your splash bb when I come back... have to go and buy a new tube for my bike :P
Apr 22 11:36:37 <mrmoku> bbl
Apr 22 11:39:43 <CIA-75> SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r2935d5e205fe 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/shr-splash.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): initscript-shr: add shr-splash.sh to 0 and 6 initscripts?
Apr 22 11:40:10 <ptitjes> mwester: hello
Apr 22 11:42:06 <ptitjes> mwester: just to tell you I won't bother anyone anymore with OE on darwin :)
Apr 22 11:43:26 <TAsn> spaetz, hehe yeah, I would really like to see eve ;]
Apr 22 11:43:30 <TAsn> playya, any luck?
Apr 22 12:04:06 <alphaone> PaulFertser, mwester: ping
Apr 22 12:07:58 <alphaone> PaulFertser, mwester: Can you tell me what we would gain from using 2.6.29 instead of 2.6.28 at the moment?
Apr 22 12:08:02 <alphaone> Currently trying to decide if that hurts us more from MS5.5
Apr 22 12:11:54 <Ainulindale> Hey
Apr 22 12:13:18 <Ainulindale> alphaone: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/ticket/406/frameworkd.2.log
Apr 22 12:13:22 <Ainulindale> have a look at that
Apr 22 12:13:30 <Ainulindale> Starting line 2818
Apr 22 12:13:33 <Ainulindale> Kernel is resuming
Apr 22 12:13:37 <Ainulindale> Idle notifier says nothing
Apr 22 12:14:40 <Ainulindale> mwester: testing kerenl won't compile
Apr 22 12:14:45 <Ainulindale> ptitjes?
Apr 22 12:14:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: ?
Apr 22 12:16:17 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz: I see you took over #404
Apr 22 12:23:07 <Ainulindale> damn dos
Apr 22 12:25:57 <mickey|zzZZzz> ya, will take a look
Apr 22 12:26:08 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz: there is truly something to do there
Apr 22 12:26:12 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz: and check the aforementioned log
Apr 22 12:26:15 <Ainulindale> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/ticket/406/frameworkd.2.log
Apr 22 12:26:17 <Ainulindale> This is weird
Apr 22 12:26:20 <Ainulindale> line 2818
Apr 22 12:26:24 <Ainulindale> No idle notifying
Apr 22 12:26:27 <Ainulindale> Or no oeventsd
Apr 22 12:28:17 <spaetz> TAsn: I committed the ewww, but it's playya's recipe. I don't know nothing about it
Apr 22 12:28:34 <TAsn> spaetz, does it work? ;]
Apr 22 12:28:39 <TAsn> btw, I think it's now called eve.
Apr 22 12:28:57 <spaetz> haven't even compiled/tested it. I just committed the recipe so it doesn't get lost
Apr 22 12:29:05 <spaetz> feel free to tell me if it compiles :)
Apr 22 12:29:13 <TAsn> spaetz, no time
Apr 22 12:29:16 <TAsn> big test tomorrow ;]
Apr 22 12:29:20 <spaetz> same here :)
Apr 22 12:31:18 <Ainulindale> spaetz: please respect conventions for commits please
Apr 22 12:31:22 <Ainulindale> package: reason
Apr 22 12:31:24 <Ainulindale> not [myass]
Apr 22 12:31:42 <Ainulindale> playya: same here
Apr 22 12:35:47 <spaetz> Ainulindale: k
Apr 22 12:37:30 <Ainulindale> baking eww on the buildhost
Apr 22 12:37:39 <Ainulindale> I bet this will fail
Apr 22 12:38:26 <spaetz> probably yes
Apr 22 12:38:41 <Ainulindale> Well there's no SRCREV anyway
Apr 22 12:42:41 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * re2f734c4901b 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: 
Apr 22 12:42:41 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Fix race in ogpsd/ousaged when using Gypsy Start() method
Apr 22 12:42:41 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: This addresses some of the issues listed in (FSO #251).
Apr 22 12:44:19 <Ainulindale> rsync: failed to connect to git.profusion.mobi: Connection timed out (110)
Apr 22 12:45:52 <spaetz> is that the ewww host?
Apr 22 12:45:58 <spaetz> sucks
Apr 22 12:46:00 <Ainulindale> Yep
Apr 22 12:46:55 <Ainulindale> Changed the proto for HTTP.
Apr 22 12:46:56 <Ainulindale> Will see.
Apr 22 12:48:48 <Ainulindale> :/home/shr/shr-testing/bitbake/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games; git fetch git://code.staikos.net/webkit origin/kenneth/efl-port failed with signal 128, output:
Apr 22 12:48:51 <Ainulindale> fatal: Couldn't find remote ref origin/kenneth/efl-port
Apr 22 12:51:09 <Ainulindale> Did you test your recipes, guys? =)
Apr 22 12:55:25 <nytowl> Ainulindale, that's a recipe I'll probably cherry-pick
Apr 22 12:55:35 <spaetz> hehe
Apr 22 12:56:17 <spaetz> so dos1 was saying that we should use eve rather than ewww, as it's newer and on enlightenment svn
Apr 22 12:56:28 <spaetz> does anyone know any specifics there?
Apr 22 12:56:30 <Ainulindale> nytowl: I guess you will, I'll commit it myself once I'll correct them
Apr 22 12:56:56 <nytowl> spaetz that's supposed to be newer but is there a repo
Apr 22 12:58:23 <spaetz> heh, googling to "eve enlightenment leads to interesting (or not) book titles, but not to the web browser
Apr 22 12:58:28 * spaetz found it
Apr 22 12:59:01 <mrmoku> its in PROTO/eve in the e svn
Apr 22 12:59:37 <alphaone> Ainulindale: Well, do we want to be "busy" right away as soon as the kernel resumes?
Apr 22 12:59:54 <spaetz> thanks mrmoku
Apr 22 13:00:40 <spaetz> alphaone: heck yes, or the screen dimming/suspend will get into troubles, right. 
Apr 22 13:00:49 <spaetz> eg, we want to undim the screen on resume
Apr 22 13:00:59 <spaetz> if I am not mistaken
Apr 22 13:01:27 <alphaone> spaetz: Not in all cases
Apr 22 13:01:31 <Ainulindale> alphaone: That's not the problem anyway related to what I just told
Apr 22 13:01:37 <Ainulindale> alphaone: odeviced or oeventsd died in this log
Apr 22 13:01:40 <alphaone> Ainulindale: So what is?
Apr 22 13:01:44 <Ainulindale> alphaone: 20 minutes, no idle notifying
Apr 22 13:02:08 <alphaone> 2837	2009.04.22 12:10:30.680 odeviced.idlenotifier INFO     allowed idle states now: set(['busy', 'lock', 'idle_prelock', 'idle', 'awake', 'idle_dim'])
Apr 22 13:02:08 <alphaone> 2838	2009.04.22 12:10:30.688 odeviced.idlenotifier INFO     odeviced.idlenotifier state change to lock
Apr 22 13:02:09 <alphaone> ?
Apr 22 13:03:03 <Ainulindale> After plugging it in
Apr 22 13:03:13 <Ainulindale> It ended resuming line 2824
Apr 22 13:03:17 <Ainulindale> 28242009.04.22 11:57:52.787 ousaged              INFO     ...completed.
Apr 22 13:03:28 <Ainulindale> It plugs it in here
Apr 22 13:03:29 <Ainulindale> 28282009.04.22 12:10:30.311 odeviced.kernel26    INFO     power status now charging
Apr 22 13:03:34 <Ainulindale> almost 13 minutes
Apr 22 13:03:36 <Ainulindale> no idle notifying
Apr 22 13:04:06 <Ainulindale> nytowl?
Apr 22 13:04:22 <nytowl> Ainulindale, ya
Apr 22 13:04:23 <Ainulindale> nytowl: could you cherry-pick http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=d0e0791eb9562fc0d3ade781cfe330f118537f84 in fso/ms5.5 please?
Apr 22 13:04:27 <Ainulindale> ptitjes is afraid to ask you
Apr 22 13:04:43 <Ainulindale> And mickey|zzZZzz 
Apr 22 13:04:44 <nytowl> well that's cause he doesn't have a beer in his hand
Apr 22 13:04:45 <Ainulindale> About this recipe
Apr 22 13:04:49 <Ainulindale> PR="r0"
Apr 22 13:04:51 <Ainulindale> That's bad
Apr 22 13:04:54 <Ainulindale> Koen will slap you
Apr 22 13:04:56 <ptitjes> nytowl: hello
Apr 22 13:05:03 <ptitjes> nytowl: how are you ?
Apr 22 13:05:06 <nytowl> hey ptitjes 
Apr 22 13:05:28 <ptitjes> nytowl: I only have a coffee in my hands (it is a bit early)
Apr 22 13:05:30 <alphaone> Ah, so suspend isn't added back to the list
Apr 22 13:05:36 <nytowl> good, nice and busy, enjoying the warm weather
Apr 22 13:05:41 <alphaone> Ainulindale: Okay, I got the probelm now
Apr 22 13:05:53 <ptitjes> nytowl: quite the same here :)
Apr 22 13:06:15 <alphaone> Ainulindale: How's SHR OE integration coming along?
Apr 22 13:06:27 <nytowl> ptitjes, have you finished all of Juliens beer yet :)
Apr 22 13:06:56 <ptitjes> nytowl: Ainulindale keeps hiding some for later times :)
Apr 22 13:07:10 <nytowl> Ainulindale, i'll take the PR out before submitting it
Apr 22 13:07:12 <ptitjes> (I drink too fast :))
Apr 22 13:07:23 <nytowl> naw he drinks to slow 
Apr 22 13:07:33 <ptitjes> yeah sure
Apr 22 13:07:42 <ptitjes> but that is another problem :)
Apr 22 13:09:10 <nytowl> has anyone tried dillo 2
Apr 22 13:10:03 <alphaone> Ainulindale: No, I don't see your problem actually :-)
Apr 22 13:11:31 <Ainulindale> alphaone: how come, without being plugged in, the idle notifier doesn't do a thing?
Apr 22 13:11:54 <alphaone> Yeah, just saw that as well
Apr 22 13:12:10 <Ainulindale> nytowl: yeah it compiles fine
Apr 22 13:12:35 <nytowl> Ainulindale, I meant run it 
Apr 22 13:12:36 <Ainulindale> alphaone: SHR OE integration is going well, mickey reviewed some of our stuff, we still need to clean some stuff but we're almost ready for inner SHR stuff
Apr 22 13:12:39 <Ainulindale> nytowl: nope
Apr 22 13:12:45 <alphaone> great
Apr 22 13:13:04 <Ainulindale> alphaone: I guess you read my mail then?
Apr 22 13:16:11 <alphaone> I read some mails today...
Apr 22 13:16:19 <alphaone> I get a lot of them lately
Apr 22 13:17:55 <Ainulindale> alphaone: well it was a reply to the meeting minutes
Apr 22 13:18:05 <alphaone> yay!
Apr 22 13:18:15 <alphaone> Right, mickey mentioned that you replied.
Apr 22 13:18:24 <alphaone> Didn't have the time to read yet, gimme a minute
Apr 22 13:18:48 <Ainulindale> Comments on opimd plus talks mostly
Apr 22 13:18:51 <Ainulindale> And issues
Apr 22 13:21:25 <coney> ls
Apr 22 13:21:46 * mrmoku won the dialer fight :-)
Apr 22 13:21:51 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07sh * r31d3e07aeaf3 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): dialer: switch the number display to a label with scale
Apr 22 13:22:10 <coney> $echo shows how much i pay attention to what i'm looking at
Apr 22 13:24:33 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r058864006e17 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (2 files): libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, libframeworkd-phonegui: Imported autotools_stage and removed do_stage.
Apr 22 13:28:44 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r7a02f8f84e6c 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (4 files): recipes/shr/*: sed -i -e 's/shr\.bearstech\.com/git\.shr-project\.org/g' *
Apr 22 13:29:01 <alexxy> Ainulindale: hi
Apr 22 13:29:03 <Ainulindale> Hey
Apr 22 13:29:19 <alexxy> Ainulindale: is there any plans for pim for shr?
Apr 22 13:29:28 <Ainulindale> nytowl: if you have a minute with shr/ recipes and tasks/, mickey|zzZZzz reviewed them, I'd like your opinion now :-)
Apr 22 13:29:31 <Ainulindale> alexxy: yes, there are
Apr 22 13:29:41 <alexxy> is there some eta for it?
Apr 22 13:29:42 <Ainulindale> nytowl: images too
Apr 22 13:29:48 <Ainulindale> alexxy: WID.
Apr 22 13:29:54 <alexxy> i have much more contacs then i can place on sim card
Apr 22 13:29:56 <nytowl> Ainulindale, I started looking at them and then got sidetracked
Apr 22 13:30:10 <Ainulindale> nytowl: well I just cleaned them some more
Apr 22 13:30:19 <Ainulindale> I removed the SHR_PV thingie too
Apr 22 13:30:28 <nytowl> Ainulindale, you want me to install shr on my phone :)
Apr 22 13:30:48 <mrmoku> what do you have on your phone... if not SHR? :P
Apr 22 13:31:01 <alexxy> Ainulindale: also there some missing icons both in shr-tesing and unstable
Apr 22 13:31:08 <Ainulindale> nytowl: why is that?
Apr 22 13:31:12 <alexxy> for example missing icons for tangogps
Apr 22 13:31:13 <Ainulindale> alexxy: what do you mean?
Apr 22 13:31:16 <Ainulindale> alexxy: Ah, yes
Apr 22 13:31:19 <Ainulindale> That's a known issue
Apr 22 13:31:40 <nytowl> mrmoku, as a loyal OM employee I run illume with paroli
Apr 22 13:31:51 <Ainulindale> nytowl: so you can't use your phone
Apr 22 13:32:00 <ptitjes> :D
Apr 22 13:32:11 <nytowl> Ainulindale, hehe, funny it's working fine :)
Apr 22 13:32:21 <nytowl> Ainulindale, do you have a gta01 image ?
Apr 22 13:32:27 <Ainulindale> nytowl: yes we do
Apr 22 13:32:34 <mrmoku> nytowl: fair enough :-)
Apr 22 13:32:43 <nytowl> k I'll give that a shot
Apr 22 13:33:03 <nytowl> dillo2 is FAST
Apr 22 13:33:40 <ptitjes> nytowl: I think you also tried ewww am I wrong ?
Apr 22 13:34:13 <nytowl> ptitjes, I hadn't had time to find a repo and make a recipe I hear you guys took care of that
Apr 22 13:34:20 <nytowl> looking forward to trying it
Apr 22 13:34:34 <ptitjes> oh I thought you were the one that did
Apr 22 13:36:23 <spaetz> ptitjes: no playya provided a recipe this morning
Apr 22 13:36:29 <spaetz> and I committed it untested
Apr 22 13:36:31 <alexxy> Ainulindale: also there are another bug
Apr 22 13:36:42 <alexxy> wrong timezon in large counryes
Apr 22 13:36:43 <alexxy> =)
Apr 22 13:36:45 <bumbl> hmm at the moment 2 cores are dumping dicts with 2*100% load to a db
Apr 22 13:36:58 <spaetz> alexxy: upstream frameworkd bug
Apr 22 13:37:02 <bumbl> a db conversion script should not be done in python
Apr 22 13:37:15 <spaetz> nytowl: dillo2 is allegedly fast but no javascript etc, right?
Apr 22 13:37:25 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rd3894d19a5d8 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: shr-autorev-unstable: Added ${AUTOREV} for webkit-efl and ewww.
Apr 22 13:37:35 <bumbl> ptitjes: i did
Apr 22 13:37:43 <bumbl> but it sems it does not support ssl
Apr 22 13:37:54 <nytowl> spaetz, yeah, it's http and I'm trying to turn on the https as well
Apr 22 13:37:59 <spaetz> thanks Ainulindale. I'd have autorev'd that later today
Apr 22 13:38:08 <ptitjes> bumbl: arf and it fast and well integrated in illume ?
Apr 22 13:38:09 <nytowl> I've never seen any program load that fast 
Apr 22 13:38:25 <spaetz> sounds promising. I should try it too
Apr 22 13:38:44 <mrmoku> it just doesn't render pages quite good...
Apr 22 13:38:55 <spaetz> but fast :)
Apr 22 13:39:01 <nytowl> spaetz, a couple of bugs I'm getting out of the recipes , should be fixed in 2-3 hours
Apr 22 13:39:15 <spaetz> nytowl: cool.
Apr 22 13:39:36 <nytowl> mrmoku, looks fine for the couple of test pages I went to
Apr 22 13:39:47 <spaetz> mrmoku: I'd be happier with midori if we turned off the "you are running as root" bar somehow
Apr 22 13:39:50 <spaetz> or 
Apr 22 13:39:52 <spaetz> or even better if we ran as a regular user :)
Apr 22 13:39:54 <bumbl> it is fast but not integrated into illume yet
Apr 22 13:39:59 <bumbl> page rendering is ok
Apr 22 13:41:02 <mrmoku> maybe it's just to get used to have stuff layouted differently...
Apr 22 13:41:09 <mrmoku> which might even be good for the small screen
Apr 22 13:43:04 <bumbl> + clicking links sucks
Apr 22 13:45:09 <spaetz> do we have dillo2 in the feed?
Apr 22 13:45:12 * spaetz checks
Apr 22 13:45:25 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r814fae9221fd 10/openembedded/ (3 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-menu-shr: New recipe to handle desktop icons.
Apr 22 13:45:33 <spaetz> yes, we have
Apr 22 13:45:51 <bumbl> spaetz: then get eve into the feeds too
Apr 22 13:46:00 <nytowl> you'll also need to install fltk2 as there's a missed runtime dependency 
Apr 22 13:46:33 <nytowl> once fltk2 is install a couple of the libraries need symlinks
Apr 22 13:46:37 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r490bd8fd7001 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (4 files): recipes/shr/*: sed -i -e 's/shr\.bearstech\.com/git\.shr-project\.org/g' *
Apr 22 13:46:38 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rac8cf0e0dc95 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (2 files): libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, libframeworkd-phonegui: Imported autotools_stage and removed do_stage.
Apr 22 13:46:38 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r1e8a393bf24d 10/openembedded/ (3 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-menu-shr: New recipe to handle desktop icons.
Apr 22 13:47:16 <Ainulindale> Ok now testing & unstable should have the same applications.menu
Apr 22 13:47:58 <Ainulindale> alexxy?
Apr 22 13:48:15 <alexxy> ?
Apr 22 13:48:56 <spaetz> bumbl: sure, just provide me with a working eve recipe
Apr 22 13:49:22 <Ainulindale> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/407#comment:1 <= alexxy 
Apr 22 13:49:26 <Ainulindale> wait a minute, I'm compiling the recipe
Apr 22 13:50:29 <Ainulindale> That way, we'll have our own menus anyway
Apr 22 13:50:39 <Ainulindale> I'd rather do that.
Apr 22 13:50:50 <Ainulindale> (than patching *.desktop)
Apr 22 13:51:52 <bumbl> spaetz: hmm working recipe would mean checking out efl-webkit which is arount 500MB
Apr 22 13:52:54 <spaetz> mmh, fun
Apr 22 13:53:33 <spaetz> can't we just check out one branch (it's some efl-port) rather than the whole history
Apr 22 13:53:39 <spaetz> or a snapshot?
Apr 22 13:56:23 <Ainulindale> Damn it's slow
Apr 22 14:00:37 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|away: should I regenerate an image now that you fixed the dialer issue?
Apr 22 14:00:40 <Ainulindale> Or will you do it?
Apr 22 14:00:47 <Ainulindale> Knowing that testing kernel does not compile
Apr 22 14:00:49 <Ainulindale> mwester: ping
Apr 22 14:04:19 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r954b94e2d56e 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/e-wm-config-illume-shr_git.bb: e-wm-config-illume-shr: RRECOMMEND e-wm-menu-shr.
Apr 22 14:04:33 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r788a196e5313 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/e-wm-config-illume-shr_git.bb: e-wm-config-illume-shr: RRECOMMEND e-wm-menu-shr.
Apr 22 14:04:47 <Ainulindale> Ok good.
Apr 22 14:04:53 <Ainulindale> Now I can take my coffee break
Apr 22 14:06:55 <methril|work> Ainulindale: you force to update the overlay each hour :P
Apr 22 14:08:50 <bumbl> hmm what to do to get dos1's splash screen
Apr 22 14:23:00 <Ainulindale> methril|work: well you'd rather me not to work?
Apr 22 14:23:31 <Ainulindale> mwester! !!
Apr 22 14:23:34 <methril|work> Ainulindale: no, work is good, it's my fault for trying unstable ;)
Apr 22 14:24:01 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Apr 22 14:24:38 <spaetz> bumbl: afaik dos1 has no .bb for the splash screen yet
Apr 22 14:24:52 <Ainulindale> I think I'll package it, I'm bored with its lack
Apr 22 14:26:42 <Ainulindale> Ok, doing that now.
Apr 22 14:29:20 <spaetz> is shr-theme_git.bb correct as it is? It gets the source git from the shr class
Apr 22 14:29:39 <spaetz> but that defaults shr.git, while all the themes are in shr-themes.git
Apr 22 14:30:55 <spaetz> Ainulindale: when you are bored, in the OE repo: shr.bbclass still contains an instance of SHR_MIRROR ?= "git://shr.bearstech.com/repo"
Apr 22 14:31:06 <spaetz> rather than shr-project.org
Apr 22 14:33:33 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r765cbb2850da 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb: shr-splash-theme-simple: New BB recipe for SHR splash.
Apr 22 14:34:55 * mwester wanders in, with a cup of coffee in hand
Apr 22 14:35:09 <mwester> hmm... busy people.
Apr 22 14:36:40 <Ainulindale> Hmmm how can  I revert a local merge without a hitch?
Apr 22 14:38:43 <Ainulindale> Ok found out
Apr 22 14:39:45 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r5cd9ea07f02b 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb: shr-splash-theme-simple: New BB recipe for SHR splash.
Apr 22 14:40:45 <mickeyl> hi mwester, please read backlog, there's a question from alphaone considering a kernel recommendation for FSO 5.5
Apr 22 14:40:55 <mwester> mrmoku|away, Ainulindale, alphaone|gone : pong!
Apr 22 14:41:03 <mwester> mickeyl:  Just read the backlog...
Apr 22 14:41:06 <mickeyl> ok, cool
Apr 22 14:41:23 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rca0c68cea977 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/shr-splash.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): initscripts-shr: Removed shr-splash (moving to themes).
Apr 22 14:42:21 <spaetz> Ainulindale: are you fine with me changing SHR_MIRROR ?= "git://shr.bearstech.com/repo" into "git://git.shr-project.org" ?
Apr 22 14:42:44 <spaetz> err git://git.shr-project.org/repo
Apr 22 14:42:56 <spaetz> in shr.bbclass
Apr 22 14:43:11 <Ainulindale> No.
Apr 22 14:43:13 <Ainulindale> Let me do that please
Apr 22 14:43:19 <spaetz> ok, fine with me
Apr 22 14:43:20 <Ainulindale> I'm currently doing things, I'll do that.
Apr 22 14:43:28 <spaetz> less work for me :)
Apr 22 14:43:38 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Apr 22 14:45:54 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r4acfaeaf97b8 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: shr.bbclass: sed -i -e 's/shr\.bearstech\.com/git\.shr-project\.org/g'
Apr 22 14:46:09 <Ainulindale> Ok everything's fine.
Apr 22 14:46:13 <spaetz> thanks
Apr 22 14:46:13 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rbd68663fc1e4 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: shr.bbclass: sed -i -e 's/shr\.bearstech\.com/git\.shr-project\.org/g'
Apr 22 14:46:34 <Ainulindale> Now, testing the splash.
Apr 22 14:46:42 <lindi-> hmm, i seriously need to do something to sound quality. people complain that they can't understand what I am saying :(
Apr 22 14:48:16 <Ainulindale> bumbl: I'll put the splash in unstable
Apr 22 14:48:20 <Ainulindale> You'll have to install it manually
Apr 22 14:48:22 <Ainulindale> (opkg install)
Apr 22 14:48:28 <mwester> Ainulindale:  testing kernel built for me, and I just built it again... 
Apr 22 14:48:39 <Ainulindale> mwester: well here it complains about patch not applying
Apr 22 14:48:49 <Ainulindale> I'll retest it in a jiffy
Apr 22 14:48:59 <Ainulindale> Just building the splassh first
Apr 22 14:49:02 <mwester> Ok.
Apr 22 14:51:25 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r50bb84b75ab2 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc: shr-autorev.inc: Added AUTOREV for shr-splash-theme-simple.
Apr 22 14:51:43 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r27a6e130242f 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc: shr-autorev.inc: Added AUTOREV for shr-splash-theme-simple.
Apr 22 14:53:26 <mrmoku> mwester: do you still have segfaulting messages?
Apr 22 14:54:11 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: generate an image whenever you finished your works :-)
Apr 22 14:54:14 <mwester> mrmoku:  I've not flashed a new image.  It did on the one from last evening.
Apr 22 14:54:46 <mrmoku> mwester: yeah... and it did not segfault for me... would be interested in a backtrace
Apr 22 14:55:26 <mwester> How do I capture that.  I hate debugging GUI apps.
Apr 22 14:55:28 <spaetz> should shr-theme or -
Apr 22 14:55:40 <spaetz> -
Apr 22 14:55:48 <mrmoku> mwester: run DISPLAY=:0 gdb openmoko-messages
Apr 22 14:55:50 <spaetz> something recommend the splash?
Apr 22 14:55:57 <spaetz> sorry for mispasting
Apr 22 14:55:58 <mwester> Ok :)
Apr 22 14:56:46 <mwester> I'll reflash with the latest unstable and see what I can find out about it.
Apr 22 14:57:04 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r76b597e58916 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb: shr-splash-theme-simple: Forgot to install some dirs.
Apr 22 14:57:17 <CIA-75> SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * ra4dd5c7394f4 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb: shr-splash-theme-simple: Forgot to install some dirs.
Apr 22 14:57:19 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: DISPLAY is useless now
Apr 22 14:57:22 <Ainulindale> It's in the default profile
Apr 22 14:57:27 <Ainulindale> (FYI)
Apr 22 14:57:34 <mrmoku> ahh... good to know :-)
Apr 22 14:57:41 <spaetz> probably e-wm-config-illume-shr could rrecommend the splash
Apr 22 14:58:01 <Ainulindale> No
Apr 22 14:58:04 <Ainulindale> Certainly not
Apr 22 14:58:10 <Ainulindale> I don't want to force the user to install it for now
Apr 22 14:58:31 <Ainulindale> And I won't RRECOMMEND anything before I'd have done two things
Apr 22 14:58:39 <Ainulindale> First a dummy shr-splash.bb
Apr 22 14:58:41 <Ainulindale> with the sh
Apr 22 14:58:49 <Ainulindale> RDEPENDING on shr-splash-theme
Apr 22 14:58:56 <Ainulindale> with a default provider, shr-splash-theme-none
Apr 22 14:59:10 <Ainulindale> Which will not display a splash
Apr 22 15:00:20 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I see no answer to my mail on minutes yet :-)
Apr 22 15:00:46 <spaetz> I see
Apr 22 15:00:58 <Ainulindale> spaetz: I don't want to force something on the user
Apr 22 15:01:02 <Ainulindale> Especially on me! :-)
Apr 22 15:01:16 <spaetz> Ainulindale: but that's what a distro does. Force packages on a user :)
Apr 22 15:01:25 <Ainulindale> We force a certain amount of packages
Apr 22 15:01:29 <Ainulindale> We don't force everything
Apr 22 15:01:31 <tig|> Ainulindale: what kind of dictator are you? :) 
Apr 22 15:01:38 <Ainulindale> I'm the good one
Apr 22 15:01:42 <Ainulindale> (the one who kills gently)
Apr 22 15:01:46 <spaetz> I wouldn't mind  a splash as default, but I am fine with none as the default
Apr 22 15:02:17 <Ainulindale> spaetz: My point is, things have to stay the way they are before any opinion has been given on the matter on the ML
Apr 22 15:02:25 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: what do you want me to comment on? 
Apr 22 15:02:26 <Ainulindale> You know what I think, you know what I say, yet you always do the same mistake =)
Apr 22 15:02:40 <spaetz> I knew that was coming :)
Apr 22 15:02:48 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: well #404, ideas for talks, opimd...
Apr 22 15:02:57 <Ainulindale> spaetz: well you were looking for it, didn't you?
Apr 22 15:03:01 <mickeyl> can't comment on 404 before i looked into it
Apr 22 15:03:06 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: 'k :-)
Apr 22 15:03:14 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: plus someone had a weird issue today on SHR
Apr 22 15:03:19 <mickeyl> opimd same issue. won't get to it before ms5.5 is out
Apr 22 15:03:20 <Ainulindale> He resume his freerunner
Apr 22 15:03:27 <Ainulindale> No idle notifier at all
Apr 22 15:03:29 <Ainulindale> He plugged it in
Apr 22 15:03:33 <Ainulindale> Idle notified woke up
Apr 22 15:03:38 <Ainulindale> Weird, don't you think?
Apr 22 15:03:40 <Ainulindale> (Log is available)
Apr 22 15:03:43 <mickeyl> strange
Apr 22 15:03:48 <mickeyl> is that brandnew?
Apr 22 15:03:53 <Ainulindale> Yep
Apr 22 15:03:54 <mickeyl> shoragan rewrote the idlenotifer
Apr 22 15:04:04 <Ainulindale> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/ticket/406/frameworkd.2.log <= see that
Apr 22 15:04:10 <alphaone> PaulFertser, mwester: Can you tell me what we would gain from using 2.6.29 instead of 2.6.28 at the moment?
Apr 22 15:04:15 <Ainulindale> between 2818 & 2828
Apr 22 15:04:35 <Ainulindale> alphaone: some hypeness
Apr 22 15:04:49 <Ainulindale> bumbl: opkg update; opkg install shr-splash
Apr 22 15:04:53 <mickeyl> might be a bug in the new idlenotifier :(
Apr 22 15:05:07 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Apr 22 15:05:10 <Ainulindale> I guess so
Apr 22 15:05:17 <Ainulindale> I tried to bug shoragan but he went away
Apr 22 15:05:23 <alphaone> Ainulindale: Yeah, after resume the idlenotifier should go back into lock state
Apr 22 15:05:42 <Ainulindale> alphaone: it should go back in a state, any state
Apr 22 15:05:47 <Ainulindale> and there it doesn't do a thing! :-)
Apr 22 15:05:49 <alphaone> Rather depending on resume reason it could go into busy right away (Power button)
Apr 22 15:05:51 <alphaone> Or not
Apr 22 15:06:05 <Ainulindale> bumbl: opkg update; opkg install shr-splash-theme-simple, sorry :-)
Apr 22 15:06:23 <Ainulindale> alphaone: yeah :-)
Apr 22 15:06:25 <mwester> alphaone:  That's a good question, and I cannot answer that precisely.  Can you provide a git hash for the specific 2.6.28 version, and I'll take on the task to figure out some of the specific (and significant) advantages.   (It does turn out that there are risks of which I was not aware earlier, or shr-testing would probably still be at 2.6.28)
Apr 22 15:06:30 <alphaone> But what happens is it stays in suspend state even though the phone resumed
Apr 22 15:06:45 <Ainulindale> alphaone: good thing, we know whose fault it is, right?
Apr 22 15:07:00 <alphaone> mwester: I have here -rw-r--r--  1 alphaone alphaone   1831868 2009-04-21 10:34 uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr119797+80f036923d92f1f1bc5435366e6af35905d9d927-r4-om-gta02.bin
Apr 22 15:07:00 <alphaone> -rw-r--r--  1 alphaone alphaone   1980200 2009-03-02 17:17 uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin
Apr 22 15:07:29 <bumbl> Ainulindale: anything else needed
Apr 22 15:07:38 <alphaone> be aware that -andy-tracking is actually a 2.6.29, it was just named 2.6.28 due to some OE quirks
Apr 22 15:07:48 <Ainulindale> bumbl?
Apr 22 15:07:55 <bumbl> for shr-splash
Apr 22 15:08:01 <Ainulindale> nah
Apr 22 15:08:03 <Ainulindale> just that
Apr 22 15:08:06 <mwester> alphaone:  the hoped-for "big win" was the wifi fixes.  But it seems that they are not useful because there is no usable wpa-supplicant/client in userspace right now, which rather makes the driver fixes less useful.
Apr 22 15:08:07 <Ainulindale> but it's not working here it seems
Apr 22 15:08:10 <bumbl> dos1 said something that it might require a kernel option
Apr 22 15:08:15 <Ainulindale> Oh
Apr 22 15:08:18 <Ainulindale> Didn't know that :-)
Apr 22 15:08:23 <alphaone> mwester: So the revisions are 34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26 and 80f036923d92f1f1bc5435366e6af35905d9d927
Apr 22 15:08:26 <Ainulindale> Well, then it won't work anyway :-)
Apr 22 15:08:34 <Ainulindale> But at least it's packaged
Apr 22 15:08:51 <mrmoku> IIRC kernel option 'splash' turns it on
Apr 22 15:09:04 <Ainulindale> Well, where should we put that?
Apr 22 15:09:17 <Ainulindale> in append-thingie for qi I guess?
Apr 22 15:09:48 <mrmoku> yeah... or just drop that option and let the initscript check if a splash image is available
Apr 22 15:10:11 <Ainulindale> Sounds better =)
Apr 22 15:10:14 <mrmoku> yep :-)
Apr 22 15:12:00 <Ainulindale> Rebuilding
Apr 22 15:12:11 <mrmoku> hmm... I'm scratching my head around the ability to do local builds... 
Apr 22 15:12:12 <alphaone> mwester: Well, conman is there and works somewhat
Apr 22 15:12:16 <mrmoku> not easy :(
Apr 22 15:12:33 <mwester> alphaone:  I have no ui for connman here.
Apr 22 15:12:37 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well yeah it's a bit crappy
Apr 22 15:12:46 <alphaone> mwester: Well, okay
Apr 22 15:12:47 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: THe question has to be asked on #oe I think
Apr 22 15:13:01 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: other alternative is -c devshell
Apr 22 15:13:17 <Ainulindale> (and remove rm_work)
Apr 22 15:14:28 <Ainulindale> mwester: patching file drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-fb.c
Apr 22 15:14:28 <Ainulindale> Hunk #7 succeeded at 264 (offset 1 line).
Apr 22 15:14:28 <Ainulindale> Hunk #8 succeeded at 299 (offset 1 line).
Apr 22 15:14:28 <Ainulindale> Hunk #9 succeeded at 440 (offset 127 lines).
Apr 22 15:14:28 <Ainulindale> Hunk #10 FAILED at 458.
Apr 22 15:14:31 <Ainulindale> Hunk #11 FAILED at 481.
Apr 22 15:14:42 <spaetz> connman doesn't do anything useful for me on the FR
Apr 22 15:15:03 <spaetz> explored the provided DBus API, even without graphical frontend I did not find it usable
Apr 22 15:15:34 <spaetz> the total lack of documentation on the connman website didn't help though
Apr 22 15:15:41 <mwester> Ainulindale:  search your environment for something overriding the PREFERRED_VERSION for linux-openmoko-2.6.28
Apr 22 15:15:57 <mwester> THe patches will only apply to a very narrow range of versions
Apr 22 15:16:05 <spaetz> Ainulindale: have you found the splash argument? it's in the splash initscript done by dos1
Apr 22 15:16:11 <spaetz> and it checks for "splash"
Apr 22 15:16:12 <Ainulindale> spaetz: Already commited it
Apr 22 15:16:25 <spaetz> ahh, ok. Ainulindale faster than light
Apr 22 15:16:29 <Ainulindale> Yeah that's :e
Apr 22 15:16:30 <Ainulindale> me
Apr 22 15:17:28 <Ainulindale> mwester: what do you want to know?
Apr 22 15:17:33 <Ainulindale> You mean SRCREV right?
Apr 22 15:17:39 <Ainulindale> SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko-2.6.28 = "81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641"
Apr 22 15:17:42 <Ainulindale> In u nstable
Apr 22 15:17:43 <Ainulindale> Err
Apr 22 15:17:44 <Ainulindale> Testing
Apr 22 15:18:28 <Ainulindale> mwester: if the usb idles for some time on windows, then it stops working by the way
Apr 22 15:18:32 <Ainulindale> I have to unplug replug it
Apr 22 15:19:25 <mwester> Ainulindale:  that's the correct SRCREV line -- what version is it actually trying to patch for you?
Apr 22 15:20:37 <Ainulindale> Hmmm seems it's not the same, after all
Apr 22 15:20:39 <alphaone> mwester: Also it seems that kobject notifies for the power_supply class are broken on 2.6.29
Apr 22 15:20:45 <Ainulindale> /home/shr/shr-testing/tmp/stamps/om-gta02-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2.6.28-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4.*
Apr 22 15:21:02 <mwester> alphaone:  how so?  What symptoms (nobody has reported same AFAIK)?
Apr 22 15:21:22 <Ainulindale> Ah  I know why
Apr 22 15:21:32 <alphaone> mwester: The LED takes ages to reflect status changes
Apr 22 15:21:34 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I thought you removed the autorev unstable in testing
Apr 22 15:21:59 <alphaone> odeviced listens for kobject changes, but has a 25 or so second timeout
Apr 22 15:22:26 <Ainulindale> Testing splash now
Apr 22 15:22:30 <Ainulindale> It's working fine
Apr 22 15:22:54 <Ainulindale> Although it writes things on top of it
Apr 22 15:23:17 <spaetz> cool, yeah dos1 sold that as a feature :)
Apr 22 15:23:26 <Ainulindale> Well no, I'd rather think it's crappy
Apr 22 15:23:27 <mwester> alphaone:  Ah, ok.  Noted.
Apr 22 15:23:28 <spaetz> so mwester can still have the splash AND loglevel=8
Apr 22 15:23:34 <Ainulindale> The goal of a splash is to prevent text
Apr 22 15:23:42 <Ainulindale> Not to do an ugly thing
Apr 22 15:23:57 <alphaone> mwester: I will and need to check the odeviced code, but I think that's what's broken
Apr 22 15:24:07 <spaetz> I know, but without text output, it's at least a splash that doesn't slow down bootup like usplash
Apr 22 15:24:26 <spaetz> so I consider it progress
Apr 22 15:24:36 <Ainulindale> Well the question is to know if we could splash without slowing down the process
Apr 22 15:27:31 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no, because I think we have to check not to downgrade packages
Apr 22 15:28:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: in fact due to the branches we have now we would not even need two files, no?
Apr 22 15:32:40 <alphaone> mwester: I think I found the problem btw
Apr 22 15:37:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Well I did that just in case
Apr 22 15:37:45 <Ainulindale> Err you mean the includes?
Apr 22 15:37:52 <Ainulindale> (autorev?)
Apr 22 15:38:24 <mwester> alphaone:  The kobject problem?  In the kernel, or elsewhere?
Apr 22 15:38:52 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: thanks for your answer :-)
Apr 22 15:39:00 <mickeyl> :)
Apr 22 15:39:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yeh
Apr 22 15:39:02 <alphaone> mwester: I though I found something in frameworkd, but so far everything seems to be okay
Apr 22 15:39:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: And anyway I think that now packages are removed
Apr 22 15:39:14 <Ainulindale> When they are rebuilt
Apr 22 15:39:15 <mickeyl> i need to be more communicative, i know, but it comes in waves here...
Apr 22 15:39:17 <Ainulindale> We should check that
Apr 22 15:39:27 <Ainulindale> Or maybe mickeyl can say if we're right or not
Apr 22 15:39:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep... and if the build fails they are gone :(
Apr 22 15:39:38 <mickeyl> what?
Apr 22 15:39:41 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: if I downgrade a rev
Apr 22 15:39:46 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Will it clean the packages?
Apr 22 15:40:08 <mickeyl> no, the later ones are still in the ipkg dirs
Apr 22 15:40:10 <mickeyl> if you downgrade
Apr 22 15:40:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: For the two branches, as the autorev files will go into OE, this will disappear
Apr 22 15:40:13 <mickeyl> you need to bump epoch
Apr 22 15:40:18 <mickeyl> no way around that
Apr 22 15:40:21 <mickeyl> else you break update path
Apr 22 15:40:24 <mickeyl> for your users
Apr 22 15:40:28 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Well I'm not sure about that
Apr 22 15:40:38 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: And bump EPOCH?
Apr 22 15:40:40 <Ainulindale> You mean distro PR?
Apr 22 15:40:55 <mickeyl> no, epoch is PE
Apr 22 15:41:00 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Apr 22 15:41:11 <Ainulindale> I suppose this is in the guide? :-)
Apr 22 15:41:16 <mickeyl> i surely hope so ;)
Apr 22 15:41:21 <Ainulindale> Ok I'll have a look
Apr 22 15:41:22 <mickeyl> yo stefan
Apr 22 15:41:32 <stefan_schmidt> hi mickeyl 
Apr 22 15:41:32 <Ainulindale> Hey, stefan_schmidt, my beloved sausage
Apr 22 15:41:36 <mickeyl> heh
Apr 22 15:42:00 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: by the way if you have a short time to spend to recheck shr/* recipes
Apr 22 15:42:04 <Ainulindale> I think I applied all your advices
Apr 22 15:42:11 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: My lovely baguette
Apr 22 15:42:15 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: :-)
Apr 22 15:42:18 <mickeyl> excellent. ya, it's on my todolist, as is revierwing the task/iamges
Apr 22 15:42:40 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: good :-)
Apr 22 15:42:51 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I was also looking for a good way to package theme
Apr 22 15:43:05 <Ainulindale> What I was willing to do was to do a *-theme package with common data
Apr 22 15:43:08 <Ainulindale> RDEPENDING on the default-theme
Apr 22 15:43:24 <Ainulindale> That way user will be able to remove/install another theme
Apr 22 15:43:35 <Ainulindale> (as other themes will be providing the default theme)
Apr 22 15:43:39 <Ainulindale> (as in PROVIDES)
Apr 22 15:43:49 <Ainulindale> If there is a better way I'm interested in that
Apr 22 15:44:25 <Ainulindale> We're also looking for a way to cleanly build packages which are buildable from a local repo
Apr 22 15:44:36 <Ainulindale> with possibly a good SRCREV
Apr 22 15:45:38 <Ainulindale> (can't find about PE by the way)
Apr 22 15:45:46 <mickeyl> well, PE is just an int
Apr 22 15:45:56 <mrmoku> hmm overriding SRCREV to LOCAL and SRC_URI to file://... in local.conf works... though it won't find it's source then, because its in shr not in git subdir
Apr 22 15:46:51 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: well yeah but I'd like to know where we should put that, what it will impact, etc
Apr 22 15:47:18 <mickeyl> it's per file
Apr 22 15:47:26 <mickeyl> and will impact the packages built from this file
Apr 22 15:47:29 <mickeyl> basically a file is
Apr 22 15:47:31 <mickeyl> PE-PV-PR
Apr 22 15:47:43 <mickeyl> so even if you downgrade PV, the file sorts higher if you bump PE
Apr 22 15:48:10 <Ainulindale> errr
Apr 22 15:48:14 <Ainulindale> PN-PV-PR no?
Apr 22 15:48:33 <Ainulindale> (so you mean PN-PE-PV-PR?)
Apr 22 15:49:17 <mickeyl> PN is not considered for sorting
Apr 22 15:49:26 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Apr 22 15:49:38 <Ainulindale> well in our case we can't really do a thing
Apr 22 15:49:49 <Ainulindale> we don't truly know which packages have been "upgraded"
Apr 22 15:50:17 <Ainulindale> Plus it seems that some ipk are cleaned with do_clean
Apr 22 15:50:22 <Ainulindale> dos1: hey there
Apr 22 15:50:29 <dos1> Ainulindale: hey
Apr 22 15:50:29 <Ainulindale> dos1: I packaged your splash 
Apr 22 15:50:36 <Ainulindale> dos1: It sucks as a splash though
Apr 22 15:50:43 <Ainulindale> dos1: I'd like to avoid seeing the text :-)
Apr 22 15:51:21 <TAsn> what do you think, is it safe to opkg upgrade my unstable?
Apr 22 15:51:22 <dos1> Ainulindale: hmm? messages are displayed?
Apr 22 15:51:23 <TAsn> atm.
Apr 22 15:51:25 <Ainulindale> TAsn: yes it is
Apr 22 15:51:28 <Ainulindale> dos1: yes
Apr 22 15:51:34 <dos1> even with loglevel=1?
Apr 22 15:51:37 <TAsn> Ainulindale, will I have the flash screen?
Apr 22 15:51:38 <Ainulindale> Even
Apr 22 15:51:43 <Ainulindale> TAsn: no
Apr 22 15:51:48 <dos1> Ainulindale: which messages? i don't have any.
Apr 22 15:51:50 <TAsn> what's the package name?
Apr 22 15:51:53 <Ainulindale> TAsn: opkg install shr-splash-theme-simple
Apr 22 15:51:59 <TAsn> thanks.
Apr 22 15:51:59 <Ainulindale> dos1: well g_ether stuff
Apr 22 15:52:13 <TAsn> dos1, have you packed the gtk theme yet?
Apr 22 15:52:59 <Ainulindale> dos1: that may be due to the fact I don't have the option splash (disabled the check in your sh)
Apr 22 15:53:00 <dos1> Ainulindale: so we have to tell mwester's script to don't by so verbose on low loglevels ;)
Apr 22 15:53:10 <Ainulindale> Yeah I guess we do
Apr 22 15:53:26 <mwester> blasted windows users.
Apr 22 15:53:28 <dos1> Ainulindale: i added "splash" in /boot/append-GTA02
Apr 22 15:53:46 <dos1> but it shouldn't make any difference
Apr 22 15:54:02 <Ainulindale> dos1: I removed the check in the sh anyway
Apr 22 15:54:02 <dos1> but it can be that patch, as i don't have it on my image
Apr 22 15:54:21 <dos1> it came to SHR the day after i installed my image ;)
Apr 22 15:54:36 <dos1> Ainulindale: i'm using new fresh image BTW for few days
Apr 22 15:54:41 <Ainulindale> dos1: good :-)
Apr 22 15:54:53 <Ainulindale> mwester: hear what dos1 just said? He's telling it's your fault
Apr 22 15:54:54 <Ainulindale> YOUR FAULT!
Apr 22 15:55:00 <Ainulindale> (quick, quick, new mail)
Apr 22 15:55:07 <Ainulindale> (let's flame mwester)
Apr 22 15:55:18 <mwester> :)
Apr 22 15:55:21 <TAsn> Ainulindale, you always blame people! ;]
Apr 22 15:55:30 <Ainulindale> Yeah 
Apr 22 15:55:32 <Ainulindale> I like that
Apr 22 15:55:34 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r540f58f64045 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] send +CLVL=255 after the antenna has been powered on, otherwise it gets reset. closes FSO
Apr 22 15:55:44 <Ainulindale> Closes FSO?
Apr 22 15:55:48 <Ainulindale> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?!
Apr 22 15:55:52 <dos1> ;DDD
Apr 22 15:56:02 <Ainulindale> FSO is closing! Quick, a post on blog.shr-project;org !
Apr 22 15:56:08 <mwester> Fork it.
Apr 22 15:56:24 <TAsn> rewrite!
Apr 22 15:56:32 <mickeyl> urgh
Apr 22 15:56:34 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 15:56:38 <mickeyl> there's a second line missing
Apr 22 15:56:38 <mickeyl> :)
Apr 22 15:56:56 <mickeyl> ah
Apr 22 15:56:58 <Ainulindale> mwester: anyway, about this logging issue
Apr 22 15:56:58 <mickeyl> heh
Apr 22 15:57:00 <TAsn> ffs, too many modules are downloaded with opkg upgrade, bah.
Apr 22 15:57:03 <mickeyl> it's a bug number
Apr 22 15:57:04 <mickeyl> #100
Apr 22 15:57:08 <Ainulindale> mwester: g_ether seems to be a bit verbose using log_level 1
Apr 22 15:57:09 <mickeyl> which gets parsed as a comment by git 
Apr 22 15:57:33 <TAsn> dos1, is the gtk theme in the repos?
Apr 22 15:57:38 <TAsn> (unstable)
Apr 22 15:57:44 <dos1> TAsn: no :(
Apr 22 15:57:48 <TAsn> why not?
Apr 22 15:58:00 <TAsn> don't you like increased power consumption and consistency?
Apr 22 15:58:01 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 15:58:10 * dos1 didn't do that ;p
Apr 22 15:58:18 <TAsn> didn't do what?
Apr 22 15:58:18 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re9eb7d50a12e 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: docs: document +CFUN resetting +CLVL
Apr 22 15:58:25 <mwester> Ainulindale:  we can patch the kernel, if they are kernel messages.  Or live with it.
Apr 22 15:58:45 <mwester> If they are userspace messages from modprobe, then we can redirect them.
Apr 22 15:58:52 <Ainulindale> bitbake shr-lite-image shr-image; make setup-machine-om-gta01; . setup-env; bitbake shr-lite-image <= rock & roll
Apr 22 15:59:16 <Ainulindale> mwester: well check for yourself, loglevel = 1 overwrites things on top of the splash
Apr 22 15:59:29 <mwester> Oh I know.
Apr 22 15:59:52 <Ainulindale> Is that normal then? :-)
Apr 22 15:59:53 <mwester> It's just a matter of if you want to be like a windows user, or not.
Apr 22 16:00:02 <Ainulindale> I personally like messages
Apr 22 16:00:05 <Ainulindale> Some users don't
Apr 22 16:00:13 <TAsn> kernel-module-tcrypt ?
Apr 22 16:00:16 <TAsn> wtf is that
Apr 22 16:00:17 <TAsn> ?
Apr 22 16:00:21 <Ainulindale> TAsn: truecrypt I'd say
Apr 22 16:00:26 <TAsn> and why do I get it when I opkg upgrade?
Apr 22 16:00:28 <mwester> Ainulindale:  There's nothing in the g_ether.sh script that should be printing a lot of stuff.
Apr 22 16:00:30 <TAsn> I don't think I had it before.
Apr 22 16:00:32 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Because you're sick
Apr 22 16:00:34 <mrmoku> YAY :-)
Apr 22 16:00:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yay?
Apr 22 16:00:44 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: think I found an easy way to do local builds
Apr 22 16:00:49 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: tell me more
Apr 22 16:00:54 <Ainulindale> Is it elegant?
Apr 22 16:00:58 <mrmoku> yep
Apr 22 16:01:07 <Ainulindale> If it isn't, then do your homework anyway
Apr 22 16:01:09 <dos1> toolchain
Apr 22 16:01:10 <dos1> ;D
Apr 22 16:01:20 <Ainulindale> mwester: well then it's the kernel?
Apr 22 16:01:27 <mrmoku> toolchain sucks, because it overwrites lots of autoconf files
Apr 22 16:01:30 <mwester> I suspect it is, I'll check.
Apr 22 16:01:35 <Ainulindale> mwester: thanks a lot :-)
Apr 22 16:01:53 <mwester> It's either the kernel, or modprobe.
Apr 22 16:01:57 <mrmoku> just create a local conf file that overwrites SRC_URI, SRCREV and S for the package you want to build
Apr 22 16:02:13 <mwester> But I doubt its modprobe since it doesn't spit out a lot of info normally.
Apr 22 16:02:16 <TAsn> wow, my unstable is the latest before the merge with testing and this is upgrading everything none the less, you changed/bumped revs a lot.
Apr 22 16:02:19 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: SRC_URI_pn_MYASS ?
Apr 22 16:02:26 <mrmoku> yep YOURASS ;)
Apr 22 16:02:32 <Ainulindale> Good then :-)
Apr 22 16:02:45 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: would you be so kind as to document that on the wiki?
Apr 22 16:02:49 <mrmoku> require that conf file in your conf/local.conf and your don
Apr 22 16:02:49 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: hilight
Apr 22 16:02:50 <mrmoku> e
Apr 22 16:03:04 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well if you could even create an empty file with comments
Apr 22 16:03:11 <Ainulindale> and commit it to the makefile
Apr 22 16:03:16 <Ainulindale> you'd be a good buy
Apr 22 16:03:20 <Ainulindale> s/buy/Boy/
Apr 22 16:03:20 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: you'd be a good Boy
Apr 22 16:03:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw... its quite annoying that http://wiki.shr-project.org/ does not work
Apr 22 16:03:37 <mrmoku> lets be both good boys :P
Apr 22 16:03:48 <TAsn> anyhow, any idea why i get so many modules installed?
Apr 22 16:03:54 <Ainulindale> well do you want me to redirect it to trac?
Apr 22 16:04:00 <mrmoku> yep
Apr 22 16:04:08 <Ainulindale> Ok let's zone & roll
Apr 22 16:04:47 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: By the way I assigned a package request to you :-)
Apr 22 16:04:49 <Ainulindale> Because I was bored
Apr 22 16:05:20 * mrmoku checks his tickets
Apr 22 16:05:37 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I also built a new report for package requests
Apr 22 16:07:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hmm... I have just one package request assigned... and that one was assigned 2 months ago by myself ;)
Apr 22 16:08:00 <mrmoku> which one do you mean?
Apr 22 16:08:25 <TAsn> http://pastebin.com/m421fd0f1 <---- what upgrade did here.
Apr 22 16:08:34 <alphaone> mwester: http://pastebin.ca/1399763
Apr 22 16:08:49 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: ok =>
Apr 22 16:08:50 <Ainulindale> wiki 3600 IN CNAME trac.shr-project.org. 
Apr 22 16:08:50 <Ainulindale> lists 3600 IN A 78.40.121.57
Apr 22 16:08:51 <Ainulindale> list 3600 IN A 78.40.121.57
Apr 22 16:08:57 <Ainulindale> (added lists too)
Apr 22 16:09:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: nah you have a new package request, SATAN
Apr 22 16:09:27 <Ainulindale> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/report/12
Apr 22 16:09:35 <Ainulindale> #130
Apr 22 16:10:09 <mrmoku>  Changed 2 months ago by mrmoku  ¶
Apr 22 16:10:30 <alphaone> mwester: See line 38 where USB goes offline
Apr 22 16:10:49 <Ainulindale> ? I thought I assigned it to you last week
Apr 22 16:11:21 <Ainulindale> Damn
Apr 22 16:11:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: that was #318... the ophonekitd crash :-)
Apr 22 16:11:25 <alphaone> mwester: In line 41 you can see that the battery notification comes in delayed
Apr 22 16:11:34 <alphaone> Every 25 seconds
Apr 22 16:11:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Oh maybe
Apr 22 16:11:43 <Ainulindale> I can't recall
Apr 22 16:11:44 <dos1> Ainulindale: why shr-splash.sh in theme and not in initscripts?
Apr 22 16:11:48 <Ainulindale> I think I'm growing old
Apr 22 16:11:54 <Ainulindale> dos1: Because splash isn't mandatory
Apr 22 16:12:03 <TAsn> ok, rebooting to see if the flash is cool or not ;]
Apr 22 16:12:13 <dos1> Ainulindale: i don't think that every theme should have to provide it's own init script
Apr 22 16:12:31 <Ainulindale> dos1: I said something about that already :-)
Apr 22 16:12:46 <mrmoku> bbiab to tune the Makefile and update the wiki
Apr 22 16:12:47 <Ainulindale> I'll build a generic shr-theme package DEPENDing on shr-theme-default
Apr 22 16:12:48 <dos1> Ainulindale: where? ;x
Apr 22 16:12:54 <Sharwin_F> hmm boot image is available now upgrading or do I have to install some package?
Apr 22 16:12:58 <Ainulindale> this generic package will deliver such files
Apr 22 16:13:03 <Ainulindale> as the .sh
Apr 22 16:13:03 <TAsn> Ainulindale, look at the amount of kernel modules... http://pastebin.com/m421fd0f1
Apr 22 16:13:07 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I saw
Apr 22 16:13:07 <dos1> Ainulindale: ok. fine ;)
Apr 22 16:13:12 <Ainulindale> We updated the kernel TAsn this is normal
Apr 22 16:13:24 <TAsn> these are the default modules?
Apr 22 16:13:28 <TAsn> wow, there are many.
Apr 22 16:13:36 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: opkg install shr-splash-theme-simple
Apr 22 16:13:41 <Ainulindale> (unstable)
Apr 22 16:13:47 <Sharwin_F> ok, thanks
Apr 22 16:13:48 <Ainulindale> I may have built it too for testing I think
Apr 22 16:14:12 <Sharwin_F> are there any updates from today on unstable? still usable?
Apr 22 16:14:26 <TAsn> hehe, cool, splash screen ;]
Apr 22 16:14:36 <TAsn> dos1, thanks.
Apr 22 16:14:43 <TAsn> I really wanted that one.
Apr 22 16:14:56 <TAsn> because when you turn on the moko in the sun
Apr 22 16:15:08 <TAsn> and have kernel messages off
Apr 22 16:15:10 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: yes still usable
Apr 22 16:15:10 <Zorkman> can somebody add openpush to shr testing feeds?
Apr 22 16:15:15 <TAsn> you can't really see what's going on ;]
Apr 22 16:15:22 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: well if you can wait I will
Apr 22 16:15:22 <TAsn> Zorkman, open a bug in trac
Apr 22 16:15:27 <Zorkman> ok
Apr 22 16:15:30 <Ainulindale> but open a bug in trac under package requests
Apr 22 16:15:42 <TAsn> hm... that's odd.
Apr 22 16:15:49 <Ainulindale> odd?
Apr 22 16:15:53 <Ainulindale> things are written on top of it? =)
Apr 22 16:16:01 <TAsn> dos1, the splash turned off really fast
Apr 22 16:16:09 <Ainulindale> here it's working fine
Apr 22 16:16:11 <TAsn> I mean, only was on for a couple of seconds
Apr 22 16:16:16 <TAsn> hm... ;\
Apr 22 16:16:27 <Ainulindale> Maybe you're doomed
Apr 22 16:16:28 <dos1> TAsn: it's not my fault ;D
Apr 22 16:16:36 <TAsn> Ainulindale, tell him it's his fault.
Apr 22 16:16:38 <TAsn> please.
Apr 22 16:16:40 <Ainulindale> TAsn: here some stuff is written on top of the splash
Apr 22 16:16:45 <Ainulindale> dos1: it's your fault
Apr 22 16:16:49 <TAsn> Ainulindale, here only on shut down
Apr 22 16:17:01 <Ainulindale> TAsn: do you use qi?
Apr 22 16:17:05 <TAsn> yes.
Apr 22 16:17:05 <dos1> Ainulindale, tell him it's mwester's fault.
Apr 22 16:17:07 <dos1> please.
Apr 22 16:17:07 <dos1> ;D
Apr 22 16:17:15 <Ainulindale> TAsn: it's doubly dos1's fault
Apr 22 16:17:18 <Ainulindale> First because he denies it
Apr 22 16:17:21 <dos1> ^^"
Apr 22 16:17:24 <Ainulindale> Second because he accuses someone else
Apr 22 16:17:27 <Ainulindale> Bad dos1, bad.
Apr 22 16:17:49 <TAsn> dos1, we gave him too much power!
Apr 22 16:17:50 <TAsn> ;[
Apr 22 16:18:00 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: I see no openpush recipe
Apr 22 16:18:09 <TAsn> finally! shr-messages and not openmoko-messages3!
Apr 22 16:18:10 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 16:18:26 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Did someone change the binary name?
Apr 22 16:18:43 <TAsn> Ainulindale, not sure, but at least the package name changed.
Apr 22 16:18:47 <Ainulindale> Ah, that
Apr 22 16:18:52 <Ainulindale> Well you weren't using latest then
Apr 22 16:18:55 <Ainulindale> because I did that last week
Apr 22 16:18:59 <TAsn> (btw I had to do it manually on upgrade)
Apr 22 16:19:03 <TAsn> oh, ok.
Apr 22 16:19:03 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|away: when you'll be there
Apr 22 16:19:11 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|away: could you please help me with binary renaming?
Apr 22 16:19:19 <TAsn> cool, I just get a message from 8.4!!!
Apr 22 16:19:20 <Ainulindale> (openmoko-messages => shr-messages & such)
Apr 22 16:19:23 <TAsn> wtf?!
Apr 22 16:19:24 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 16:19:29 <Ainulindale> TAsn: yeah that's a fix from mrmoku|away 
Apr 22 16:19:38 <TAsn> Ainulindale, fixed what?
Apr 22 16:19:44 <TAsn> disappearing messages?
Apr 22 16:19:44 <Ainulindale> He fixed a bug caused by dos1 
Apr 22 16:19:53 <dos1> TAsn: which is causing segfault on my neo ;P
Apr 22 16:19:59 <dos1> yeah
Apr 22 16:20:00 <TAsn> Ainulindale, can't you remove dos1's commit access ? ;]
Apr 22 16:20:04 <dos1> it's all my fault ;D
Apr 22 16:20:11 <Ainulindale> TAsn: mainly quickdev was reading "read" messages
Apr 22 16:20:12 <Sharwin_F> intone segfaults on start for me aftr upgrading yesterday
Apr 22 16:20:13 <TAsn> I think that'll fix everything.
Apr 22 16:20:25 <Ainulindale> there are "unread" afterwards which stay unread
Apr 22 16:20:25 <Sharwin_F> so somthing might be broken there
Apr 22 16:20:39 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: intone?
Apr 22 16:20:50 <TAsn> COOL!
Apr 22 16:20:54 <TAsn> scrolling works good!
Apr 22 16:20:58 <TAsn> I had issues with that.
Apr 22 16:21:27 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, http://www.opkg.org/package_190.html
Apr 22 16:21:40 <Sharwin_F> it worked before opkg upgrading shr ysterday night
Apr 22 16:21:48 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I like the new unstable ;]
Apr 22 16:21:54 <Ainulindale> Ah if you use packages from other sources Sharwin_F 
Apr 22 16:21:56 <Ainulindale> we can't do a thing
Apr 22 16:22:02 <Ainulindale> please request packages on the buildhost on trac
Apr 22 16:22:26 <TAsn> isn't there an intone package for shr?
Apr 22 16:22:45 <Sharwin_F> yeah, but it also segfaults now on start up, like dos1 problem with shr-messages. May be an elementary problem?
Apr 22 16:23:01 <Ainulindale> We didn't update elementary
Apr 22 16:23:10 <dos1> Sharwin_F: no. my problem is only with shr-messages
Apr 22 16:23:24 <dos1> and mwester has the same issue
Apr 22 16:23:46 <TAsn> bah, no usb networking on first boot, let's see if it works on the second.
Apr 22 16:23:47 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: let me try it
Apr 22 16:23:48 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 16:23:54 <Ainulindale> TAsn: that shouldn't happen
Apr 22 16:24:03 <TAsn> well, it did.
Apr 22 16:24:27 <Ainulindale> TAsn: be wary now it's ethX
Apr 22 16:24:43 <TAsn> Ainulindale, doesn't matter, I don't do anything on the moko that's related to that.
Apr 22 16:24:49 <TAsn> I mean, I only do stuff on my pc.
Apr 22 16:25:06 <TAsn> btw, shr splash turned off ~20 seconds before illume started.
Apr 22 16:25:23 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: here it doesn't segfault but doesn't install either
Apr 22 16:25:27 <Ainulindale> err doesn't launch
Apr 22 16:25:30 <dos1> Ainulindale: it does matter, as it's now ethX on your HOST, instead of usb0
Apr 22 16:25:40 <dos1> s/Ainulindale/TAsn/
Apr 22 16:25:41 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: TAsn: it does matter, as it's now ethX on your HOST, instead of usb0
Apr 22 16:25:42 <dos1> ...
Apr 22 16:25:43 <TAsn> dos1, you meant tasn?
Apr 22 16:25:45 <TAsn> ok. ;]
Apr 22 16:25:46 <dos1> yep
Apr 22 16:25:49 <TAsn> let me see. ;]
Apr 22 16:25:56 <Ainulindale> dos1: thanks, he just won't listen to me
Apr 22 16:26:02 <Ainulindale> he's so boring
Apr 22 16:26:08 <Ainulindale> s/boring/annoying
Apr 22 16:26:13 <Ainulindale> (damn /)
Apr 22 16:26:22 <dos1> TAsn: and splash turned off as there is no X splash now; we have to do few changes in /etc/X11/Xserver
Apr 22 16:27:55 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: intone is working here
Apr 22 16:28:15 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, hmm had an older version of the intone app (v0.24)
Apr 22 16:28:16 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: (binary renaming) what help is needed?
Apr 22 16:28:20 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, install new version
Apr 22 16:28:32 <TAsn> dos1, sweet, usb networking now works.!
Apr 22 16:28:32 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 16:28:42 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, yep, new version works hehe
Apr 22 16:29:28 <Ainulindale> by the way intone looks nice
Apr 22 16:29:53 <TAsn> btw, does wifi work?
Apr 22 16:29:55 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: could you open a package request for it on trac please?
Apr 22 16:30:03 <TAsn> if so, what wifi app is the best? mofi?
Apr 22 16:30:06 <mwester> Yeah, usb networking now works _correctly_!
Apr 22 16:30:23 <TAsn> mwester, thanks for the correction! ;]
Apr 22 16:30:26 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, not today, maybe tomorow or next day, but I'll do it :)
Apr 22 16:30:29 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hmm.. have to eat now... can help after that
Apr 22 16:30:40 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, how do I do that? write a new ticket asking for it?
Apr 22 16:31:09 <TAsn> weird, opkg install intone does nothing
Apr 22 16:31:12 <TAsn> I mean, no such pack.
Apr 22 16:31:20 <Ainulindale> dos1: better that way with the package heh? :-)
Apr 22 16:31:20 <Sharwin_F> http://www.opkg.org/packages/intone_0.30_arm.ipk
Apr 22 16:31:22 <Ainulindale> (menu)
Apr 22 16:31:29 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: yeah exactly
Apr 22 16:31:31 <Sharwin_F> TAsn, ^
Apr 22 16:31:32 <Ainulindale> new package request with the url and all
Apr 22 16:31:43 <TAsn> Sharwin_F, thanks, though I thought it's in the repos.
Apr 22 16:32:12 <Ainulindale> TAsn: you just can't read, can you?
Apr 22 16:32:28 <TAsn> <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: could you open a package request for it on trac please?
Apr 22 16:32:32 <TAsn> this?
Apr 22 16:32:33 <TAsn> too cryptic ;]
Apr 22 16:32:40 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, there's also intone-video, but it's really an early alpha atm
Apr 22 16:33:04 <Sharwin_F> but looks promising :D
Apr 22 16:33:18 <dos1> Ainulindale: yes, exactly ;)
Apr 22 16:33:31 <TAsn> Sharwin_F, actually, mplayer made embedding it easy
Apr 22 16:33:39 <TAsn> it's great ;]
Apr 22 16:34:15 <bumbl> do we have proper mplayer aka with all the lame ugly codecs
Apr 22 16:34:18 <bumbl> in shr
Apr 22 16:34:25 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: hooked your lfp-efl2 repo
Apr 22 16:34:42 <Ainulindale> bumbl: yes
Apr 22 16:36:12 <TAsn> bah, mofi doesn't have an intuitive iface.
Apr 22 16:36:23 <TAsn> I started it and I get a gray app
Apr 22 16:36:29 <TAsn> is this wanted?
Apr 22 16:36:32 <TAsn> what does this mean?
Apr 22 16:36:33 <dos1> TAsn: have you turned WiFi on in shr-settings?
Apr 22 16:37:09 <TAsn> yes.
Apr 22 16:37:16 <TAsn> (I'm not near an open network though)
Apr 22 16:37:26 <TAsn> I'm just wondering about the mofi iface.
Apr 22 16:37:29 <TAsn> is this normal?
Apr 22 16:37:42 <TAsn> brb, going to search an open wifi.
Apr 22 16:37:51 <TAsn> dos1, I don't understand the update rate
Apr 22 16:37:57 <TAsn> nor do I understand the iface.
Apr 22 16:38:49 <bumbl> Ainulindale: how do you bypass patenting issues?
Apr 22 16:42:58 <mwester> TAsn:  mofi is broken, I think.  If anything at all goes wrong with the wifi (including it being powered off) it will hang up and show you a white screen.  It also writes damanged wpa_supplicant files if there is a node nearby that is not broadcasting an SSID.  And it does not clean up, so it can only be run once between boots.
Apr 22 16:45:00 <TAsn> mwester, any alternatives?
Apr 22 16:48:43 <Ainulindale> bumbl: we don't
Apr 22 16:49:43 <mwester> TAsn:  write your own shell script. :(
Apr 22 16:49:58 <TAsn> mwester, ;[
Apr 22 16:50:06 <TAsn> what about decent desktop wifi managing apps?
Apr 22 16:50:36 <mwester> Someone says connman.  But it has no gui I can see.
Apr 22 16:51:00 <mwester> It's another of those apps, like Bluez, where the authors mistake dbus for a ui.
Apr 22 16:51:38 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * rfa11f1651368 10/openembedded/recipes/pyphonelog/pyphonelog_git.bb: pyphonelog: add libmokoui2 to RDEPENDS
Apr 22 16:51:38 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r6a26e8e0b3cf 10/openembedded/ (21 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay
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Apr 22 16:51:48 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r4d5ed97f0270 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/frameworkd-config-shr_git.bb: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay
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Apr 22 16:51:49 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r29c3cf51df17 10/openembedded/ (15 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay
Apr 22 16:51:50 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * ra833a3cf775e 10/patches/xglamo/0002-disable-black-background-when-xsplash-is-present.patch: patches: disable black background in X when xsplash is present
Apr 22 16:51:52 <mwester> I'm sure it does wonderful things, but without a command line or config files, connman is not useful, IMO.
Apr 22 16:51:59 <Ainulindale> dos1: what are you doing?
Apr 22 16:52:07 <tig|> TAsn:  not tried it but there is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/KnjMokoWifi
Apr 22 16:52:12 <dos1> wtf?
Apr 22 16:52:18 <mwester> oops?
Apr 22 16:52:18 <mickeyl> if you want a command line, use python
Apr 22 16:52:28 <mwester> python is a scripting language!
Apr 22 16:52:31 <TAsn> tig|, thanks.
Apr 22 16:52:40 <mickeyl> with a nice interactive mode
Apr 22 16:52:52 <mickeyl> that can be used as command line for anything dbus
Apr 22 16:53:15 <mickeyl> so if you really want to use it, give this a chance
Apr 22 16:53:24 <mwester> Ok.  With nice short commands that I can type on my gta02 onscreen keyboard?  Like "wpa_cli", then "scan", etc?
Apr 22 16:53:27 <mickeyl> if not, then i let you continue rambling about it
Apr 22 16:53:33 <dos1> Ainulindale: i don't know what was that. here: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=summary it looks ok
Apr 22 16:53:47 <mickeyl> no idea about short commands
Apr 22 16:53:50 <mickeyl> you can define them
Apr 22 16:53:58 <mickeyl> alias works fine
Apr 22 16:54:03 <mwester> That's my point.
Apr 22 16:54:29 <mickeyl> no, your point is you don't like dbus
Apr 22 16:54:31 <mickeyl> period
Apr 22 16:54:37 <mwester> That's like me saying we don't need any apps, you just need a library -- if you want to use the code, just write some C or C++.
Apr 22 16:55:07 <mickeyl> by that logic you can send everyone to hell that just works on libraries
Apr 22 16:55:18 <mickeyl> some people are good at writing libs
Apr 22 16:55:21 <mickeyl> some are good at writing apps
Apr 22 16:55:24 <dos1> looks like that was some old merges
Apr 22 16:55:33 <mickeyl> dbus is a great interface for writing apps
Apr 22 16:55:35 <mwester> Nothing specific against dbus -- it could be ebus or fbus or xbus.  I just think it's pushing the work to the user, instead of making the coder do the job.
Apr 22 16:55:43 <mickeyl> no that#s wrong
Apr 22 16:56:17 <mickeyl> i don't see why Marcel needs to write UIs
Apr 22 16:56:23 <mickeyl> he is best at writing dbus interfaces
Apr 22 16:56:29 <mickeyl> that doesn't push anything to the user
Apr 22 16:56:32 <mickeyl> but to other developers
Apr 22 16:56:34 <mwester> Then why do dbus-enabled apps tend not to ship any actual usable command-line tools, even as examples?
Apr 22 16:56:45 <mwester> to other developers.
Apr 22 16:56:48 <mickeyl> because you can do that with python
Apr 22 16:56:49 <mwester> Yes, my point.
Apr 22 16:57:01 <mickeyl> python is THE interactive accessor to anything dbus
Apr 22 16:57:19 <mickeyl> and there is dbus-send, if you want RSI :D
Apr 22 16:57:25 <mickeyl> mdbus makes it somewhat more convenient
Apr 22 16:57:26 <mwester> I am not against dbus, I am against positioning libraries as apps.
Apr 22 16:57:42 <mickeyl> i don't see anyone positioning these libraries as apps. 
Apr 22 16:57:50 <mickeyl> they're libraries
Apr 22 16:57:53 <mickeyl> and there are UIs
Apr 22 16:57:59 <mickeyl> just probably not enough 
Apr 22 16:58:04 <mwester> So lets be clear on this: connman is a library.  It is not useful without an app.  Asking me to use python is telling me to write the app.
Apr 22 16:58:08 <mickeyl> but that is not the library authors fault
Apr 22 16:58:19 <mickeyl> i disagree
Apr 22 16:58:37 <mickeyl> there are UIs
Apr 22 16:58:45 <mickeyl> ubuntu comes with lots of UIs
Apr 22 16:58:51 <mickeyl> so do other distros
Apr 22 16:59:03 <mickeyl> it's not the fault of Marcel that noone wrote mobile-oriented UIs for their libs
Apr 22 16:59:05 <dos1> connman-gnome, exposure, e connman plugin...
Apr 22 16:59:06 <mwester> Ok, so you wish me to PORT the app.  same difference, there is no app.
Apr 22 16:59:14 <mickeyl> yes
Apr 22 16:59:18 <mickeyl> start blaming app authors
Apr 22 16:59:22 <mickeyl> stop blaming library authors
Apr 22 16:59:24 <mickeyl> and stop blame dbus
Apr 22 16:59:30 <mickeyl> it has nothing to do with the lack of apps
Apr 22 16:59:47 <lindi-> mickeyl: is there a way to see return values of method calls with dbus-monitor?
Apr 22 16:59:54 <mickeyl> lindi-: no idea
Apr 22 17:00:05 <lindi-> that makes debugging dbus really hard
Apr 22 17:00:24 <mickeyl> there is this unsecure mode
Apr 22 17:00:29 <mickeyl> eavesdropping or so
Apr 22 17:00:36 <mickeyl> with that you you should be able to
Apr 22 17:01:00 <mwester> We'll just have to agree to disagree.  I appreciate a service-provider who offers a simple command-line tool to exercise or debug their service. You see python with calls into the library as meeting that need, I think that is one level too low.
Apr 22 17:01:49 <mwester> And it's not dbus, just to be clear -- if someone shipped connman2 as a CORBA -enabled package, I would have the same complaint.
Apr 22 17:02:02 <lindi-> mickeyl: i can see method calls but not their return values
Apr 22 17:02:06 <mickeyl> yep, that's where we differ. i see no point in wasting time with defining hundreds of redundant 10 liners 
Apr 22 17:02:36 <mickeyl> lindi-: i see. what do the dbus folks say?
Apr 22 17:02:45 <lindi-> mickeyl: they can't figure it out
Apr 22 17:02:46 <mwester> Perhaps someone can point me to the wiki with the conmann "dbus phrasebook" would reside, then?
Apr 22 17:03:06 <mickeyl> lindi-: well... then if they can't ... we're out of luck
Apr 22 17:03:23 <lindi-> mickeyl: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-November/010613.html
Apr 22 17:03:32 <lindi-> mickeyl: let's switch to tcp where tcpdump works :)
Apr 22 17:03:35 <mickeyl> mwester: iirc it's in the docs dir
Apr 22 17:04:35 <mickeyl> i agree that some folks are a bit sloppy
Apr 22 17:04:41 <mickeyl> that's why fso has docs and cli-framework
Apr 22 17:04:59 <mickeyl> and although this is not as good as it could be, it's more than you get with bluez and connman
Apr 22 17:05:11 <mickeyl> still these are very good libraries IMO
Apr 22 17:05:19 <mwester> I see a powerpoint-style presentation - I don't recall that it had examples .
Apr 22 17:05:22 <mickeyl> so give them a chance, please.
Apr 22 17:06:00 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt is the local connman expert
Apr 22 17:06:05 <mickeyl> so if you have questions, he's your man :)
Apr 22 17:08:20 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r0a57a85b3dfb 10/patches/xglamo/ (2 files): patches: bump PR and update X splash patch
Apr 22 17:10:31 <dos1> stefan_schmidt: why connman is not working? :D
Apr 22 17:13:41 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r0bfbf29032d6 10/patches/xglamo/0003-bump-pr-for-xserver-kdrive-common.patch: patches: fix stupid bug
Apr 22 17:17:16 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: yep
Apr 22 17:17:22 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r27035602c0f7 10/patches/xglamo/0003-bump-pr-for-xserver-kdrive-common.patch: patches: follow upstream with bumping PV (xsplash)
Apr 22 17:17:34 <mrmoku> mwester: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/connman/connman.git;a=tree;f=doc;hb=HEAD
Apr 22 17:17:37 <mrmoku> has some docs
Apr 22 17:18:42 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i've had luck with vim editing wpa_supplicant.conf. It's ok, really ;)
Apr 22 17:19:14 <TAsn> PaulFertser, yeah, same here, when I edited my own conf everything worked amazingly well
Apr 22 17:19:23 <TAsn> though it's not really an on the fly solution, don't you agreE?
Apr 22 17:20:12 <mwester> mrmoku:  Thanks, but I'm a little frustrated here with connman and all right now.  I just can't understand why I have to write my own application (with all of its' potential bugs) just to exercise the wifi to try to flush out a possible kernel bug.  That just feels wrong to me.
Apr 22 17:20:14 <PaulFertser> TAsn: I used excellent raster's terminal keyboard and vim is ok with it ;) That said yes, it's not very convenient, but still bearable, imho.
Apr 22 17:20:36 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r5bc16aade098 10/patches/xglamo/0003-bump-pr-for-xserver-kdrive-common.patch: Revert "patches: follow upstream with bumping PV (xsplash)"
Apr 22 17:20:58 <mwester> mrmoku:  I think I'll work with wpa_supplicant directly, and I can't make that fail, then I don't know - I guess we'll wait until someone writes a few "10-liners" for stupid people like me.
Apr 22 17:21:56 <mrmoku> mwester: what would such a 10-liner have to do for you.. to test wifi?
Apr 22 17:22:02 * mrmoku might give it a try
Apr 22 17:22:42 <dos1> can someone check, if all of patches applies correctly?
Apr 22 17:23:09 <dos1> on shr-unstable
Apr 22 17:23:51 <TAsn> btw, is the improvement in scrolling because of andy tracking or did they changed something in e?
Apr 22 17:24:12 <dos1> i don't know if i have local problem... or it's problem with patch
Apr 22 17:24:26 <dos1> as git applying manually works good
Apr 22 17:25:43 <dos1> mwester: you don't know if there is working connman gui for neo, as connman actually doesn't work at all
Apr 22 17:25:45 <dos1> :P
Apr 22 17:26:33 <TAsn> what about the panel app they use in ubuntu?
Apr 22 17:26:46 <TAsn> isn't that a good solution?
Apr 22 17:27:10 <dos1> TAsn: there is something like that for connman in e
Apr 22 17:27:19 <dos1> but firstly we need to get connman working
Apr 22 17:27:20 <dos1> ;)
Apr 22 17:27:22 <TAsn> ok.
Apr 22 17:27:23 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 17:28:53 <mrmoku> dos1: how comes you think so?
Apr 22 17:29:45 <dos1> it segfaults
Apr 22 17:30:08 <mrmoku> when you do what?
Apr 22 17:30:29 <dos1> wrong
Apr 22 17:30:34 <dos1> modules segfaults when loading
Apr 22 17:30:41 <dos1> except some unnecessary modules as loopback
Apr 22 17:30:42 <dos1> ;p
Apr 22 17:30:53 <mrmoku> well, I see my wifi interface
Apr 22 17:31:08 <dos1> hmm
Apr 22 17:31:13 <dos1> maybe it was my image
Apr 22 17:31:18 * dos1 is installing connman
Apr 22 17:31:19 <mrmoku> :P
Apr 22 17:32:06 <mrmoku> ok... night story time
Apr 22 17:32:09 <mrmoku> bbiab
Apr 22 17:33:35 <dos1> why connman isn't installed in image?
Apr 22 17:35:25 <mwester> mrmoku|away:  the trouble is that I do not know what I would need.   The problem is that there seems to be at least one way to lock up the wifi driver, and there are a number of iwconfig operations that do not work, but I do know if those are optional or required for GUI tools. What I desire to learn is what sequence of operations a gui tool such as connman would expect to perform on the wifi driver.  I was hoping a simple client would te
Apr 22 17:35:25 <mwester> ll that.
Apr 22 17:35:48 <mwester> I know that the wifi chip works fine when I exercise it from wpa_cli the way one normally does.
Apr 22 17:35:57 <mwester> It seems not to work so well from mofi.
Apr 22 17:36:06 <dos1> mofi is buggy and old
Apr 22 17:36:16 <mwester> So I can try to debug mofi, but if that's not the right tool, then I'm wasting my time.
Apr 22 17:36:54 <coney> dos1: thats why i use wifi-radar
Apr 22 17:37:01 <mwester> Another tool?
Apr 22 17:37:09 <dos1> coney: that's why we have to write our own wifi manager
Apr 22 17:37:15 <coney> pretty rel;liable so far maybe shr might adopt including it in images
Apr 22 17:37:17 <dos1> finger friendly and working
Apr 22 17:37:23 <coney> yea
Apr 22 17:37:30 <coney> your right about that
Apr 22 17:37:34 <coney> but i'm lazy
Apr 22 17:37:41 <dos1> if connman will work for me now, i will start writing it
Apr 22 17:37:43 <dos1> ;)
Apr 22 17:37:46 <coney> etk front end to wireless-tools
Apr 22 17:38:52 <TAsn> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/989044c3032a55ce6b2607779fd16f82.png
Apr 22 17:38:55 <TAsn> sweet!
Apr 22 17:39:05 <TAsn> looks great with a cool wallpaper and no useless names
Apr 22 17:39:12 <TAsn> we know what every app does by icon
Apr 22 17:39:16 <TAsn> no need for a name.
Apr 22 17:39:30 <coney> i know i bet if i didnt spend somuch time  trying to compile crap like wifi-radar i could actually write something worth while
Apr 22 17:39:51 <coney> heh TAsn thats my screenshot
Apr 22 17:40:03 <coney> :D i've been whoreing scap allnight
Apr 22 17:40:03 <TAsn> coney, COOL! ;]
Apr 22 17:40:23 <TAsn> I noticed ;]
Apr 22 17:40:35 <coney> forget where i found that boba-fett image
Apr 22 17:40:41 <coney> but it rocks
Apr 22 17:40:45 <TAsn> very nice
Apr 22 17:40:46 <TAsn> (everything)
Apr 22 17:40:52 <TAsn> mostly the icons though.
Apr 22 17:41:07 <coney> just made em more transparent
Apr 22 17:41:16 <TAsn> scap!
Apr 22 17:41:28 <coney> gimp + 2hrs
Apr 22 17:41:41 <TAsn> scap! ]
Apr 22 17:41:59 <TAsn> or are you talking about removing the backgrounds?
Apr 22 17:42:14 <TAsn> because changing transparency could lead to really cool results as well.
Apr 22 17:42:54 <coney> yea i removed a lot from em woulda been easyier to make em transparently faded
Apr 22 17:43:14 <coney> mogrify do that?
Apr 22 17:43:29 <coney> what cant imagemagick do to an image?
Apr 22 17:43:44 <TAsn> coney, I think everything ;]
Apr 22 17:43:59 <coney> *nothing
Apr 22 17:44:16 <coney> go grab some coffee :D
Apr 22 17:46:05 <coney> http://oh.cyber-army.com/~james/bobafett2.jpg
Apr 22 17:48:05 <TAsn> coney, sweet, thanks. ;]
Apr 22 17:52:22 <dos1> Ainulindale: what about setting up some some repo, where everyone can commit their stuff?
Apr 22 17:53:08 <dos1> incoming.git or smthing like that
Apr 22 17:53:38 <coney> anonymouse git neat
Apr 22 17:58:38 <TAsn> dos1, sounds like a huge mess.
Apr 22 18:00:05 <dos1> TAsn: it will be repo for mess... but.. i don't think that mess will be so huge ;D
Apr 22 18:00:26 <coney> yeah i think you underestimate how lazy people are
Apr 22 18:00:35 <TAsn> dos1, first of all, you will flood this chan
Apr 22 18:00:36 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 18:00:44 <TAsn> second of all, I think many will commit
Apr 22 18:00:51 <TAsn> viagra.html
Apr 22 18:00:55 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 18:01:20 <dos1> TAsn: that's not forum, viagra people don't know how to use git ;)
Apr 22 18:01:22 <coney> i'm sure CIAbot can be told to be quiet about it
Apr 22 18:01:45 <dos1> of course
Apr 22 18:01:50 <dos1> as with shr-themes now
Apr 22 18:01:52 <coney> i'm getting the hang of stealing source with it
Apr 22 18:01:57 <dos1> we will not add it to CIA
Apr 22 18:02:31 <coney> git clone / git pull / muck around /git diff / git commit/ git log 
Apr 22 18:02:41 <coney> yada yada
Apr 22 18:03:04 <coney> a sandbox for bitbake recipes
Apr 22 18:05:55 <mrmoku> damn bullshit... last yum update killed my console font :(
Apr 22 18:24:42 <spaetzAway> kid sleeping?
Apr 22 18:25:01 <mrmoku> yeah... at least the small one
Apr 22 18:25:12 <mrmoku> the bigger one is still reading me thinks
Apr 22 18:25:18 <mrmoku> (if you were asking me :P)
Apr 22 18:25:53 <spaetzAway> heh small one sleeping here too
Apr 22 18:26:21 <mrmoku> kids are so beautiful.... while they are sleeping ;)
Apr 22 18:26:44 <mwester> hehe!
Apr 22 18:28:09 <spaetzAway> ;)
Apr 22 18:29:18 <dos1> i almost have list of available wifi networks in console using connman
Apr 22 18:29:36 <dos1> after getting that, i will use elementary genlist for displaying that
Apr 22 18:29:39 <dos1> and then - connecting
Apr 22 18:29:49 <dos1> and when it works - icopy it to shr-settings :)
Apr 22 18:29:54 <dos1> s/icopy/i'll copy/
Apr 22 18:29:56 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: and when it works - i'll copy it to shr-settings :)
Apr 22 18:30:13 <mrmoku> dos1: looking forward to it :-)
Apr 22 18:30:28 <dos1> using connman is easy
Apr 22 18:30:42 <dos1> and mdbus is really good thing, when you're too lazy to read manual ;D
Apr 22 18:31:13 * mwester can't remember the dbus names, they are so long they are sentences not words!
Apr 22 18:31:33 <dos1> mwester: i don't remeber they too ;p
Apr 22 18:31:41 <dos1> that's why we have GUIs ;d
Apr 22 18:33:22 <spaetzAway> how do you use connman?
Apr 22 18:33:32 <dos1> spaetzAway: with dbus
Apr 22 18:33:56 * mwester mutters something
Apr 22 18:34:19 <spaetzAway> mmh, need to retry. i could never find sth useful via dbus
Apr 22 18:34:35 <spaetzAway> and there are no connman docs
Apr 22 18:34:38 <mrmoku> spaetzAway: have to install the wifi plugin
Apr 22 18:34:48 <mrmoku> connman docs are in git source
Apr 22 18:34:49 <dos1> spaetzAway: me too, but i installed wifi plugin and turned wifi on in shr-settings ;)
Apr 22 18:35:17 <spaetzAway> bonus points to FSO for really good api docs
Apr 22 18:35:32 <spaetzAway> dos1: will try again, thanks
Apr 22 18:35:56 <spaetzAway> dillo is really fast
Apr 22 18:36:25 <mrmoku> that reminds me to play with elementary quickstart feature
Apr 22 18:36:34 <spaetzAway> just need prefs for smaller fonts and a paste button/menu entry
Apr 22 18:37:21 <TAsn> btw
Apr 22 18:37:30 <TAsn> I thought about anchoring the aux button for paste
Apr 22 18:37:32 <TAsn> what do you think?
Apr 22 18:37:49 <lindi-> spaetzAway: doesn't dillo support changing font size?
Apr 22 18:37:53 <TAsn> I think that's a very good idea, I use paste quite often.
Apr 22 18:38:09 <lindi-> TAsn: it isn't exactly easy
Apr 22 18:38:18 <TAsn> lindi-, why is that?
Apr 22 18:38:25 <spaetzAway> lindi-: if yes, i haven't found it
Apr 22 18:38:37 <TAsn> just paste like a regular mouse middle button click.
Apr 22 18:38:39 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3abe69d44e17 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/channel.py: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] revert last change causing an endless loop in sending +EMGL=4
Apr 22 18:38:42 <lindi-> TAsn: and why not just type ctrl-v?
Apr 22 18:38:57 <TAsn> lindi-, on the moko?!
Apr 22 18:39:04 <TAsn> that's too slugish.
Apr 22 18:39:04 <lindi-> TAsn: are you now trying to use clipboard or primary selection?
Apr 22 18:39:22 <TAsn> lindi-, I'm suggesting the aux button for primary selection pasting
Apr 22 18:39:38 <lindi-> TAsn: but isn't primary selection considered obsolete?
Apr 22 18:39:49 <TAsn> lindi-, no idea.
Apr 22 18:40:18 <TAsn> I use it all the time on the computer, and the day someone will stop support it, will be the day I will stop upgrading my pc... ;]
Apr 22 18:40:25 <TAsn> supporting*
Apr 22 18:40:45 <coney> alright that it who done it
Apr 22 18:40:51 <coney> who broke the kernel
Apr 22 18:40:54 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off.
Apr 22 18:40:56 <coney> WSOD is back
Apr 22 18:41:20 <dos1> heh
Apr 22 18:41:32 <coney> i'm looking at you wester
Apr 22 18:41:42 * dos1 never had WSOD
Apr 22 18:41:44 <coney> suspended for not even a min
Apr 22 18:42:10 <coney> i think i deserve new hardware then if its hardware related
Apr 22 18:42:25 <dos1> i have GTA02v5
Apr 22 18:42:56 <mwester> I have two gta02v5 and neither one does the WSOD
Apr 22 18:43:15 <mwester> coney:  try shr-testing, please, and let me know if that kernel does not have the problme.
Apr 22 18:43:52 <coney> currently 2.6.29-rc3
Apr 22 18:44:33 <coney> i coulda swore mines a gta02v5b last time i was in u-boot
Apr 22 18:44:42 <coney> could it be cause i'm using u-boot?
Apr 22 18:44:48 <coney> and not qi
Apr 22 18:44:49 <Zorkman> anybody already tested a2dp on shr-testing?
Apr 22 18:46:09 <coney> latest mwester? 4-22?
Apr 22 18:47:51 <mwester> Whatever is there right now.
Apr 22 18:47:54 <|Marco|> who managed to muck up E again this time ?
Apr 22 18:48:22 <coney> fyi i found the git version of the one i'm wsoding with uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119797+80f036923d92f1f1bc5435366e6af35905d9d927-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
Apr 22 18:48:30 <coney> dunno how that'd help ya
Apr 22 18:49:08 <mwester> It does
Apr 22 18:50:19 <mwester> If shr-testing works ok, then we know exactly which commit breaks it.  I'm pretty sure we know, which is why the kernel in -testing has a couple of patches that back out an earlier kernel change, but confirmation would be good.
Apr 22 18:50:52 <coney> i'm helping; i'm helping...
Apr 22 18:50:58 <coney> :D
Apr 22 18:51:45 * mwester grudgingly stops loading the battery packs into the cattle prod, and puts it way.
Apr 22 18:52:16 <Blu3> is there an issue with unstable lately where you can start a call but there's no audio?
Apr 22 18:52:23 <Blu3> or if you answer, no audio?
Apr 22 18:52:50 <lindi-> Blu3: what are you alsa settings in that state?
Apr 22 18:53:04 <coney> i get carried away; please tell my doctor cause he wont listen to me about ADHD
Apr 22 18:53:16 <coney> he thinks i'm drug hunting
Apr 22 18:53:24 <Blu3> default as they've always been, let me double check
Apr 22 18:54:56 <Blu3> what's the control id for the handset speaker again?
Apr 22 18:56:41 <coney> Blu3: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Customize
Apr 22 18:56:46 <Zorkman> trying to use a2dp on latest shr-testing and i get an error i never ahd before:
Apr 22 18:56:46 <Zorkman> [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1570:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)
Apr 22 18:56:47 <Zorkman> [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Input/output error
Apr 22 18:56:57 <Zorkman> anyone has experienced the same, or has some ideas?
Apr 22 18:58:21 <Blu3> donkey shorts, that's what i was looking for
Apr 22 19:06:05 <dos1> ok, i have everything for scanning and displaying networks; now only gui part have to be written
Apr 22 19:06:21 <dos1> there is update_networks function with all networks are arguments
Apr 22 19:06:32 <dos1> now it only prints array, but it is supposed to do GUI ;)
Apr 22 19:07:02 <Zorkman> dos1: nice, you're working on wifi-gui?
Apr 22 19:07:15 <dos1> Zorkman: yep, using connman. i'm going to integrate it in shr-settings
Apr 22 19:07:16 <Zorkman> everybody will be very happy with that :)
Apr 22 19:07:44 <dos1> on GUI side - it displays and hides "Scanning now..." label very well ATM :D
Apr 22 19:07:59 <Zorkman> (maybe you can use the same gui stuff for bt?  it's also scanning, connection=pairing...)
Apr 22 19:08:31 <dos1> Zorkman: bt manager is in my plans too ;)
Apr 22 19:11:20 <coney> hm well this is odd
Apr 22 19:11:29 <Zorkman> dos1: I love you :p
Apr 22 19:16:48 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r13f96102d1a1 10/Makefile: Makefile: create example for local builds config on setup
Apr 22 19:17:00 * dos1 needs to check, how to use genlists in python-elementary
Apr 22 19:26:08 <dos1> yay!
Apr 22 19:26:10 <dos1> it works!
Apr 22 19:26:23 <spaetzAway> cool
Apr 22 19:26:45 <dos1> it displays wifi networks in list
Apr 22 19:26:51 <dos1> but on every scan list is duplicated
Apr 22 19:26:53 <dos1> :x
Apr 22 19:28:25 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r3bcb1250cb51 10/Makefile: Makefile: fix stupid copy&paste error
Apr 22 19:30:04 <mrmoku> magic wlan multiplication :P
Apr 22 19:30:04 <Blu3> odd, i wonder how my audio settings got zeroed
Apr 22 19:32:05 <dos1> mrmoku: no, it's "supposed bug". i don't know how to clean list ;)
Apr 22 19:33:01 <Zorkman> dos1: you don't have to fix that; just tell us the design departement wants it that way ;)
Apr 22 19:33:14 <dos1> ;DDD
Apr 22 19:33:38 <dos1> Zorkman: really good point ;D
Apr 22 19:34:14 <Zorkman> ~seen Dave
Apr 22 19:34:15 <bzzbot> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 6d 6h 13m 20s ago, saying: 'dos1, I thought opimd was just a legend!? :o'.
Apr 22 19:34:21 <Zorkman> 6days!
Apr 22 19:34:30 <dos1> and he said something to me
Apr 22 19:34:31 <dos1> :x
Apr 22 19:34:32 <Zorkman> lazy lulu must have gotten to him at last
Apr 22 19:36:07 <dos1> ok, i have what to do
Apr 22 19:36:09 <coney> mwester: whew sorry for the delay got hung up ; rm /lib/modules/*  (killed the modprobe.dep) so i had to download a rootfs to steal the needed files from (somethings just arent in modules.tgz , thank god for insmod g_ether or i'd a been locked out
Apr 22 19:36:10 <dos1> ;)
Apr 22 19:36:17 <dos1> s/have/know/
Apr 22 19:36:19 <dos1> ;x
Apr 22 19:39:27 <coney> so far so good it suspends for a min and wakes up fine lets see if it lasts for the long haul, 
Apr 22 19:41:21 <spaetzAway> mwester: if you install connman-t
Apr 22 19:41:25 <spaetzAway> est-utils
Apr 22 19:41:54 <spaetzAway> it will provide you with a bunch of command line utils
Apr 22 19:42:20 <spaetzAway> to use connman functionality
Apr 22 19:43:07 <dos1> ok, listing wifi networks works well now :)
Apr 22 19:43:08 <Ainulindale> At home \o/
Apr 22 19:43:13 <Ainulindale> dos1: By the way about incoming.git
Apr 22 19:43:26 <Ainulindale> I already thought about that a while ago and it's planned for my talk at FSOSHRUDCON
Apr 22 19:44:20 <dos1> i'm asking because that "incoming.git" is a place, where i would want to commit my connection manager app now ;)
Apr 22 19:44:45 <dos1> until it's ready to include in shr-settings
Apr 22 19:44:53 <spaetzAway> there is always github.com
Apr 22 19:45:14 <spaetzAway> although less visible for shr
Apr 22 19:47:08 <dos1> ok, it displays now encryption type too :)
Apr 22 19:48:15 <dos1> so scanning is done and it works
Apr 22 19:48:23 <Zorkman> superb
Apr 22 19:48:31 <Zorkman> now only all the rest :p
Apr 22 19:50:17 <coney> mwester: testing just wsod'ed me after what? 5+min
Apr 22 19:50:27 <coney> this is painfull
Apr 22 19:52:49 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r239f0f6efa55 10/Makefile: Makefile: correctly quote $
Apr 22 19:58:33 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r33d61c011764 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): [playground] introduce playground for developers ;)
Apr 22 19:59:51 <CIA-75> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf1aa185e302c 10/playground/wifiman.py: [playground] add early version of WiFi manager based on connman.
Apr 22 20:00:04 <coney> noice
Apr 22 20:00:15 <dos1> ok, now you can test it :)
Apr 22 20:00:25 <dos1> don't foget to turn wifi on
Apr 22 20:00:45 <coney> yeah need to include a shortcut enabler for it 
Apr 22 20:00:59 <dos1> sometimes it fails on ProposeScan, i don't know why
Apr 22 20:01:03 <dos1> happened to me two times
Apr 22 20:01:16 <dos1> coney: don't need to, it's going to be incluced in shr-settings WiFi module
Apr 22 20:01:30 <dos1> so then you are turning wifi on/off and wifi manager at the same place
Apr 22 20:01:54 <mrmoku> and like I know you dos1 it won't take long :P
Apr 22 20:02:04 <coney> i can wait
Apr 22 20:02:56 <dos1> code is ugly now
Apr 22 20:03:05 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: nah... your wiki forwarder is not working ;)
Apr 22 20:03:27 <mrmoku> which is a pity, because I just wanted to add a section about local builds...
Apr 22 20:03:32 <mrmoku> and now I can't :P
Apr 22 20:04:06 <Ainulindale> peh!
Apr 22 20:05:21 <Zorkman> dos1: if it's ready sneak it into shr-testing ;)
Apr 22 20:05:51 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: nah.
Apr 22 20:06:15 <TAsn> you can use gprs in shr testing, right?
Apr 22 20:06:32 <dos1> TAsn: yep, it should work out of box
Apr 22 20:06:44 <TAsn> ok, updated the wiki
Apr 22 20:07:06 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: wiki now works
Apr 22 20:09:11 <coney> mwester: ping
Apr 22 20:10:04 <dos1> at scap there are screens now
Apr 22 20:10:06 <coney> intresting nugget, after my previous 5min sleep then WSOD, i went ahead and flashed qi... and did the test again... guess what... it awoke fine...
Apr 22 20:10:10 <coney> food for thought
Apr 22 20:10:13 <dos1> i have seen (wpa2) too
Apr 22 20:10:27 <dos1> so it looks like good base
Apr 22 20:10:28 <dos1> anyway
Apr 22 20:10:30 <dos1> have to go now
Apr 22 20:10:36 <coney> i'm starting to think u-boot is to blame
Apr 22 20:10:59 <coney> just from my lame lab testing and no code crap
Apr 22 20:11:14 <TAsn> dos1, looks decent.
Apr 22 20:11:15 <TAsn> yeah.
Apr 22 20:12:13 <janf> hi, i found these methods elm_entry_utf8_to_markup(..) and elm_entry_markup_to_utf8(..) with which #153 can easier be fixed (also for sending messages)... should i post a diff on trac? :)
Apr 22 20:12:15 <coney> but then again i did let it fall asleep on its own here goes a force sleep with the power button menu for 5+
Apr 22 20:12:34 <TAsn> janf, yeah.
Apr 22 20:13:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: and is updated :-)
Apr 22 20:14:05 <dos1> janf: of course. all useful patches are welcomed :)
Apr 22 20:14:09 <dos1> ok, good night
Apr 22 20:14:39 <coney> bah
Apr 22 20:14:42 <TAsn> lol.
Apr 22 20:14:43 <coney> nice quit msg
Apr 22 20:14:55 <mrmoku> eving while leaving he is lying :P
Apr 22 20:15:01 <TAsn> rumor has it, that it is his fault.
Apr 22 20:15:07 <TAsn> mrmoku, lol, yeah.
Apr 22 20:15:07 <coney> :D
Apr 22 20:15:26 <mrmoku> might also be a typo... and he wanted to write "It's always my fault!" ;)
Apr 22 20:18:50 <dent> abend, after some time off I decided to revive my SHR env and in make setup I get:
Apr 22 20:18:53 <dent> /bin/sh: -c: line 3: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
Apr 22 20:19:04 <dent> any tips what's wrong?
Apr 22 20:21:33 <coney> ok yeah i think its official that WSOD is related to u-boot atleast what i've knoticed on my end
Apr 22 20:21:51 <coney> noticed?
Apr 22 20:22:04 <coney> bad habits are a #@%@ to break
Apr 22 20:22:04 <TAsn> coney, I got PSoD here (look in the shr trac) with Qi.
Apr 22 20:22:14 <coney> psod?
Apr 22 20:22:18 <coney> pink?
Apr 22 20:22:20 <TAsn> Purple stripe of death ;]
Apr 22 20:22:35 <coney> ew that doesnt sound good at all
Apr 22 20:22:41 <TAsn> coney, it's not.
Apr 22 20:22:48 <TAsn> death doesn't sound good in general. ;]
Apr 22 20:23:02 <coney> shinigami sounds kewl
Apr 22 20:23:24 <coney> bleach (manga)
Apr 22 20:23:29 <coney> :D
Apr 22 20:23:34 <TAsn> coney, figured. ;]
Apr 22 20:23:41 <TAsn> I only watch naruto and one piece...
Apr 22 20:23:46 <coney> oh hey tasn priv msg me i wanna show you somethin
Apr 22 20:23:53 <coney> but shhh hush hush
Apr 22 20:25:01 <mrmoku> dent: haha... you got me in between to commits :-)
Apr 22 20:25:07 <mrmoku> just update the Makefile
Apr 22 20:25:24 <mrmoku> (reget it from build.shr-project.org/Makefile)
Apr 22 20:25:26 <vininim> uh
Apr 22 20:25:26 <dent> mrmoku: ok :)
Apr 22 20:25:47 <vininim> is it possible to partition cards in freerunner while in usb mass storage mode?
Apr 22 20:26:00 <vininim> wrong channel anyway
Apr 22 20:26:35 <TAsn> night.
Apr 22 20:26:38 <TAsn> sweet dreams.
Apr 22 20:28:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: successfull test (or was it today?)
Apr 22 20:28:49 <TAsn> tomorrow.
Apr 22 20:28:54 <mrmoku> good luck then
Apr 22 20:29:04 <TAsn> though don't worry, there are two more soon enough ;[
Apr 22 20:29:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, thanks.
Apr 22 20:29:46 <coney> why would this be a wrong channel?
Apr 22 20:29:48 <dent> TAsn: good luck from me too
Apr 22 20:29:58 <TAsn> dent, thanks.
Apr 22 20:30:08 <TAsn> coney, because it's net development related.
Apr 22 20:30:26 <TAsn> btw, for some reason I lost usb networking after using wifi.
Apr 22 20:30:32 <TAsn> should check it out tomorrow.
Apr 22 20:30:32 <TAsn> night.
Apr 22 20:30:36 <coney> what wifi app?
Apr 22 20:30:43 <coney> some delete default usb0 route
Apr 22 20:30:52 <coney> route del default usb0
Apr 22 20:31:00 <coney> or add ;
Apr 22 20:31:19 <TAsn> mofi.
Apr 22 20:31:31 <coney> yeah no offense to the dude who wrote it but i hate it
Apr 22 20:32:10 <TAsn> coney, same here.
Apr 22 20:32:13 <TAsn> ;]
Apr 22 20:32:16 <dent> never worked for me... always froze after entering passwd
Apr 22 20:32:21 <TAsn> same here.
Apr 22 20:32:24 <dent> I just stick to ifup/down
Apr 22 20:32:25 <TAsn> wpa
Apr 22 20:32:33 <dent> yup, wpa
Apr 22 20:32:35 <coney> wonder what ieatlint is upto
Apr 22 20:33:14 <coney> lint wifi was great but i still dont think it has the functionality to save passwords
Apr 22 20:33:23 <coney> been awhile since i touched it
Apr 22 20:33:44 <coney> i suspect he wrote mokomaze
Apr 22 20:34:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: with mofi? had that too...
Apr 22 20:34:33 <mrmoku> mofi is crap :(
Apr 22 20:34:37 <TAsn> ok, so it's settled, I'm not crazy and mofi is crap
Apr 22 20:34:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah .;]
Apr 22 20:34:42 <coney> i have wifi-radar on my website its what i've been using
Apr 22 20:34:49 <TAsn> coney, how is it?
Apr 22 20:34:59 <TAsn> well no need to dwell on it
Apr 22 20:35:07 <TAsn> dos1 is writing a shr-settings wifi module
Apr 22 20:35:08 <coney> lemmie take a screen shot
Apr 22 20:35:14 <TAsn> that'll use conman
Apr 22 20:35:28 <mrmoku> long live dos1 :-)
Apr 22 20:35:32 <coney> yeah sounds neat
Apr 22 20:35:35 <TAsn> connman*
Apr 22 20:36:16 <coney> ok the one drawback to having no text under icons is it takes me a few to find my app
Apr 22 20:36:32 <TAsn> coney, because you need better icons
Apr 22 20:36:51 <coney> i still think it looks cooler :D
Apr 22 20:37:05 <coney> pluss i did shink a bunch of em too
Apr 22 20:37:32 <TAsn> there's no reason why you'll confuse the dialer icon with the messages one.
Apr 22 20:37:34 <TAsn> night all.
Apr 22 20:43:38 <coney> oh wow dos already has a pic of his demo wifi app on scap
Apr 22 20:44:52 <coney> he's quick
Apr 22 20:45:58 <mwester> coney: pong
Apr 22 20:46:27 <mwester> Saw your comments.  So we know that it is the same bug, but the change that was blamed is not the one at fault.
Apr 22 20:46:29 <coney> did you get that
Apr 22 20:46:47 <coney> just thought you'd like to know
Apr 22 20:46:56 <mwester> (one of the symptoms is that it appears only with u-boot, not with Qi)
Apr 22 20:47:03 <coney> so far so good i'll keep toying with it and let you know 
Apr 22 20:47:28 <coney> lets plame om and u-boot :D its not our fault
Apr 22 20:47:44 <mwester> It is om's fault! :D
Apr 22 20:50:57 <coney> i have this habit of always flashing u-boot then booting into it to reflash the phone cause i remember the days of ghost files from a reflash (had to go into uboot env manually and erase the flash) and i dont always flash qi after all is said and done
Apr 22 20:51:39 <playya> anyone tried to build webkit-efl with my recipe in shr?
Apr 22 20:52:03 <playya> i chanceled it after ~6h of downloading the source from git
Apr 22 20:52:05 <coney> if i only had a debug board i could flash NOR
Apr 22 20:52:26 <janf> ok, i attached a patch to http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/153
Apr 22 20:52:45 <janf> maybe some dev could look into it :>
Apr 22 20:53:49 <coney> least it wont run shell cmds
Apr 22 20:53:55 <mwester> hmmm.... I get the feeling that janf's patch is probably the right way to do it...
Apr 22 21:00:19 <mrmoku> janf: thanks... will apply... tomorrow though. I'm on my way to bed
Apr 22 21:01:27 <mrmoku> night all
Apr 22 21:34:34 <Ainulindale> Would anybody know how to connect to WPA2 Wifi with an EEE PC?
Apr 22 21:40:10 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03frazier.cameron 07framework * r078df7c39185 10/framework/subsystems/opreferencesd/opreferences.py: opreferences: add a signal for when a whole profile has been changed
Apr 22 21:44:46 <spaetzAway> mofi is crap
Apr 22 21:45:46 <spaetz> playya: Ainulindale even tried to build it on the build host
Apr 22 21:46:01 <spaetz> and failed
Apr 22 21:46:13 <playya> its a really huge repository
Apr 22 21:46:32 <playya> i can download it on my pc. but it fails wit OE
Apr 22 21:47:23 <playya> not my day :(
Apr 22 21:48:24 <playya> fso-monitord crashes with http://pastebin.ca/1400142
Apr 22 21:51:45 <spaetz> playya, then we'll probably need to put a source .tar somewhere, i guess
Apr 22 21:52:32 <spaetz> having everyone doownload from git sounds unpractical
Apr 22 21:54:28 <playya> i try to build a tar of the repo
Apr 22 22:00:26 <dent> huh... building shr-lite-image from scratch (on unstable) I get:
Apr 22 22:00:30 <dent> ERROR: '['/home/zub/data/SHR/shr-unstable/shr/openembedded/recipes/pyphonelog/pyphonelog_git.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'libmokoui2-0' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
Apr 22 22:00:54 <dent> what is libmokoui2-0?
Apr 22 22:26:36 <nomeata> Hi. Someone said that libetk is deprecated and superceded by elementary, and that we should not package it for Debian. Is that right? If so, are there plans to remove etk from the SHR dependencies?
Apr 23 01:41:32 <coney> what mofi!?
Apr 23 01:41:47 <coney> whhopz i was a few hundred lines up
Apr 23 02:57:39 <coney> X(
Apr 23 02:57:44 <coney> i'm all alone
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