**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 24 02:59:57 2009 Apr 24 03:32:12 er i would if fetch would work Apr 24 05:29:41 hello Apr 24 05:30:42 I performed opkg update and opkg upgrade yesterday which pulled in some 700 updates packages, ever since the FreeRunner no longer registers as a usb device with my laptop so I can't connect to it anymore... Apr 24 05:31:15 There's a note on the wiki saying something like this might happen and rebooting should fix it, I rebooted several times to no avail Apr 24 05:31:24 what can I check? Apr 24 05:32:41 I also ran the depmod command but I'll try once more Apr 24 05:44:43 hi pundiramit Apr 24 05:49:08 yeah i dont trust opkg upgrade either Apr 24 05:50:15 good morning Apr 24 05:55:03 hi m8ram.. good morning Apr 24 05:55:22 can you help me a moment? Apr 24 05:55:30 sure Apr 24 05:55:51 I'm having problems with connecting the freeRunner via usb after opkg updat and opkg upgrade yesterday Apr 24 05:56:15 I tried rebooting several times, ran depmod -a Apr 24 05:56:32 but still I see no message what so ever on my laptop when I plug the usb cable in Apr 24 05:57:07 any error messages you are getting... if you are running linux on your lappy please check dmesg log Apr 24 05:57:42 no message at all Apr 24 05:57:50 just like the cable isn't even plugged in Apr 24 05:57:58 and the device itself works Apr 24 05:58:17 I rebooted to main memory (FDOM) and I am able to connect just like before Apr 24 05:58:39 only thing I havn't tried is booting the SD card from NOR Apr 24 05:59:00 but I don't think that should give different results from booting it from NAND should it? Apr 24 05:59:20 (I'm running Fedora 10 on the laptop BTW) Apr 24 06:00:06 any logs I can check on the device itself? Apr 24 06:01:01 m8ram, the interface on the computer changed to ethx Apr 24 06:01:03 FYI, most apps still report problems with dbus when I try to launch them or do anything (which is why performed a full upgrade in the first place) Apr 24 06:01:05 instead of usb0 Apr 24 06:01:12 so what ever you do when upping the device Apr 24 06:01:18 change it to the right interface. Apr 24 06:01:25 aha Apr 24 06:01:27 ;] Apr 24 06:01:28 cya. Apr 24 06:01:46 TAsn, thanks Apr 24 06:01:53 I'll check that Apr 24 06:02:27 sure thing Apr 24 06:05:45 any docu on how I can figure out which device to configure for this? Apr 24 06:06:21 ifconfig only shows my network card as eth0 Apr 24 06:06:27 on the laptop that is Apr 24 06:10:19 does anyone know how to disable the pin request with the neo? Apr 24 06:16:13 I'll check this tonight when I'm back, thanks Apr 24 06:16:16 bye Apr 24 06:32:44 trying to build shr-testing, been failing for a couple of days at: Apr 24 06:32:45 /shr-config-0.0.1+r48+37dd7ac950e2bfd438801faf34c29fccfdbbaccf-r3/git/src/gps.c:203: error: too many arguments to function 'cairo_image_surface_get_data' Apr 24 06:32:48 error: cc exited with status 256 Apr 24 06:32:50 Compilation failed: 1 error(s), 17 warning(s) Apr 24 06:32:51 any ideas? Apr 24 06:32:53 make[1]: *** [.vala.stamp] Error 1 Apr 24 07:06:33 modem standby, sleep=4: 7...8mA avrg Apr 24 07:07:44 eguals ~160h standby (not taking in account power for suspended main system) Apr 24 07:11:05 inbound call pending (ringing) = 225mA Apr 24 07:15:43 call established = 159mA (good RF-situation. just an example) Apr 24 07:20:36 good morning Apr 24 07:21:11 mooorning Apr 24 07:21:23 DocScrutinizer: I've some questions for you Apr 24 07:21:33 hrmmm Apr 24 07:21:46 DocScrutinizer: i'm the Iron man in the first Fix Party Apr 24 07:21:55 hehe Apr 24 07:22:07 where Apr 24 07:22:10 DocScrutinizer: I did some fixes that doesn't work. Apr 24 07:22:16 in Barcelona (Spain) Apr 24 07:22:25 hmm Apr 24 07:22:51 what means "doesn't work"? Apr 24 07:22:56 i was checking the eschematics, and some soldering points where wrong. I fixed it Apr 24 07:23:06 but they still doesn't work Apr 24 07:23:07 huh? Apr 24 07:23:24 wrong soldering points? Apr 24 07:23:26 maybe i need to send you a more elaborated questions trough e-mail Apr 24 07:24:04 it's possible to doesn't hear anything because the small capacitors get broken? Apr 24 07:24:19 there's for sure no wrong soldering points, neither in schem nor in bigC-paper Apr 24 07:24:31 no, was my fault Apr 24 07:24:57 with the iron i solder some pads that doesn't have to Apr 24 07:25:13 sure, if you short the 100uF, mic won't see voltage and borks Apr 24 07:25:31 uhm!! ok Apr 24 07:25:42 then i need to replace that capacitors Apr 24 07:25:56 my tester wasn't able to measure capacitance Apr 24 07:26:07 also if you short the upper point of the replace R to some point next Apr 24 07:26:43 yes, this happens in some. I'm going to bought some capacitors Apr 24 07:26:49 to test load gsmhandset.state and probe for voltage Apr 24 07:26:53 and try to replace it Apr 24 07:27:08 at wire side of C Apr 24 07:27:12 ok. i'll try Apr 24 07:27:14 to GND Apr 24 07:27:20 yes Apr 24 07:27:34 should be ~ a volt Apr 24 07:27:45 roughly Apr 24 07:27:57 or more Apr 24 07:28:10 well, i didn't have time to look it properly, and i'd like to be sure :) Apr 24 07:28:19 thank you very much for your advices Apr 24 07:28:56 check you didn't scratch away varnish under wire side contact of C Apr 24 07:29:30 if you did, place paper or teflon under it Apr 24 07:29:58 ok Apr 24 07:30:57 i don't thnik so, but i've to check it Apr 24 07:31:40 also take a loupe to check for microscopic shorts around R Apr 24 07:32:41 take a needle and scratch along all "trenches" between 0402 components Apr 24 07:32:48 i did this sometimes (so many people waiting for their Neos to be fixed) ;) Apr 24 07:32:58 to make sure there are no tin balls Apr 24 07:34:39 if you shorted the replacement R (2k2) itself you won't get audio even when there is voltage on C Apr 24 07:35:01 check mic-case to GND for 2k2 Apr 24 07:35:32 (as explained in bigC-paper) Apr 24 07:35:42 i only tested the continuity in the circuit to be sure there is no short-circuit between the components Apr 24 07:37:12 if everything is correct you should have 0.5 when restoring gsmhandset.state Apr 24 07:37:59 take a working refernce sample Apr 24 07:38:06 and compare Apr 24 07:38:15 most easy waa Apr 24 07:38:18 way Apr 24 07:42:47 methril|work: hope you got spare devices for the users ;-) Apr 24 07:43:12 yes, thanks to DAvid Sanblas :) Apr 24 07:43:18 and OpenMoko Apr 24 07:45:32 what's your avrg time per device, incl disass, test, and reass? Apr 24 07:46:01 for my statistics ,-) Apr 24 07:48:44 don't be shy, it took me 5h once for a rework proto Apr 24 07:48:51 ;D Apr 24 07:49:56 and some TPE stuff say it should be feasible to get under 8min, muahaha Apr 24 07:50:31 s/stu/stayj Apr 24 07:50:43 s/stu/sta/ Apr 24 07:50:43 DocScrutinizer meant: s/sta/stayj Apr 24 07:51:01 hehe, silly bot Apr 24 08:01:16 DocScrutinizer: after aprox. 30 units, it takes between 35 and 50 mins. Apr 24 08:01:23 it depends on some Rs Apr 24 08:01:31 that doesn't want to get out ;) Apr 24 08:01:39 yup, sounds about average Apr 24 08:02:00 take TWO soldering irons ;-) Apr 24 08:02:12 it's pretty easy that way Apr 24 08:02:19 * Blu3 is about to take two soldering irons to python... Apr 24 08:02:28 lol Apr 24 08:02:29 if i do some "chain" like it takes a little bit less Apr 24 08:03:05 i've a rework station, but the hot air gun doesn't work really well Apr 24 08:03:11 for that 0402 Rs Apr 24 08:03:39 or desoldering tweezers reworked for 0402. with these desoldering of R takes me ~10sec Apr 24 08:04:13 what script or program is the -actual- code responsible for making the dbus call to fetch sms messages and present them to the user after interpreting the data structure? i.e. openmoko-messages3 is just a _very_ short program that presents the interface and hands things off to ...? Apr 24 08:04:18 i need to look for tweezers Apr 24 08:05:52 xytrnic S.M.D. twezers model 226 Apr 24 08:06:03 DocScrutinizer: Here you could see the station http://openmoko-spain.org/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=1 Apr 24 08:06:04 xytrOnic Apr 24 08:13:06 http://www.rapidonline.com/Tools-Fasteners-Production-Equipment/Soldering-Equipment/Soldering-Irons/SMD-soldering-rework-tweezers/34112 Apr 24 08:20:36 DocScrutinizer: hmm, with 0402, i'd just touch the top with the iron, lift it off, and swipe it away. they're very discardable :) Apr 24 08:20:52 sure Apr 24 08:21:46 if you got a solder tip of size of a 0603 ;) Apr 24 08:22:45 honestly you probably even could cut or break them out. I've never tried though Apr 24 08:23:03 i've a small solder tip, and gets out so fast, but at the beginning was harder :) Apr 24 08:23:33 DocScrutinizer: hmm, don't forget that the solder pads underneath aren't very strong either ... Apr 24 08:23:41 yup Apr 24 08:24:16 DocScrutinizer: you don't need a big solder tip, just enough solder :) or approach them from the side Apr 24 08:24:16 anyway tweezers are *very* convenient Apr 24 08:25:08 well, i still doesn't get out a solder pad, but i think tweezers are the secure way :) Apr 24 08:25:08 DocScrutinizer: hmm, i find them a bit too bulky. hardly ever use them Apr 24 08:25:21 I often shorted pads when trying the way you suggested. Annoyance to clean the pads then, often leading to loss of other components Apr 24 08:25:53 wpwrak: you need a steady hand to use them, that's right Apr 24 08:27:20 * DocScrutinizer thinking about a infrared "laser" (2000W incandescent light plus loupe) Apr 24 08:27:39 ugg, found another bug. Contacts won't display some contacts Apr 24 08:27:39 DocScrutinizer: ah yes, just evaporate the critters ;-) Apr 24 08:27:40 to focus IR to single 0402 Apr 24 08:27:43 DocScrutinizer: expensive infrared solders :) Apr 24 08:28:09 DocScrutinizer: a thinly focused positron beam should do as well :) Apr 24 08:28:18 hehehehe Apr 24 08:28:55 ah, honestly. might be worth a try Apr 24 08:29:11 IR that is, not positron Apr 24 08:30:26 DocScrutinizer: bah, you haven't even tried positron ! :) Apr 24 08:31:12 I tried but they smell so badly I couln't use the whole flat for days :-/ Apr 24 08:32:16 DocScrutinizer: ah, so that's what caused that fire :) Apr 24 08:32:26 hehe Apr 24 08:32:51 dunno if email will clear this up Apr 24 08:33:03 Yeah, hot air is a problem with the ground plane Apr 24 08:34:06 yup, you needed some heating from below to heat up whole device to some 100C Apr 24 08:34:44 100 some C, even? Apr 24 08:35:28 I don't have that kind of solder equipment here.. Apr 24 08:35:58 But I've probably worked out the optimal way with my Ersa RDS-80 now :-) Apr 24 08:36:51 alphaone: I'll bring tweezers to F7N Apr 24 08:37:05 DocScrutinizer: Cool Apr 24 08:37:39 actually, it was Contacts that failed. the name was too long but the error in saving it was ignored Apr 24 08:37:48 sigh Apr 24 08:38:40 DocScrutinizer: I'd love to try the WD 2000M http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=037103215178 Apr 24 08:39:19 * DocScrutinizer doubts the sense of implementig a SIM-contacts management at all (beyond copy from SIM to PIM) Apr 24 08:39:54 alphaone: looks nice :D Apr 24 08:40:05 well you see the thing is, i use my phone now, today. i can't wait for a year or two for the wonderful opimd to be finished, then have a front end to it written Apr 24 08:40:23 alphaone: oh, cool Apr 24 08:40:59 if i have to resort to using shell scripts to do things on my fone, so be it Apr 24 08:41:52 The WMRP is really great Apr 24 08:42:05 at least this way i'll get much more intimately familiar with things under the hood Apr 24 08:42:13 hello all Apr 24 08:42:29 USD 772. and the cheap-looking usb cable seems to be optional. good :) Apr 24 08:42:40 'lo Apr 24 08:43:09 usb? I thought that's esd Apr 24 08:43:46 I'm having problems with usb networking since I've installed yesterday unstable snapshot... any clue please? Apr 24 08:44:06 DocScrutinizer: could be :) never quite figured out what distinguishes an esd station from a non-esd one. so it's the ground cable. wow :) Apr 24 08:44:28 a21, curse, and dig into it by hand. chances are your /etc/network/interfaces file got futzed up. mine did Apr 24 08:44:50 a21, i assume you restarted your phone? Apr 24 08:44:50 well, the data says nothing about USB Apr 24 08:44:55 ah nice :) tnx Blu3 Apr 24 08:45:01 np Apr 24 08:46:46 It's programmable over USB I think Apr 24 08:46:48 mmh interfaces seems to be ok Apr 24 08:47:19 and ifconfig says it's up Apr 24 08:47:31 have the right ip? Apr 24 08:48:04 alphaone: to send a reflow profile ? Apr 24 08:48:05 on the other side of the cable i get with dmesg: eth0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:02.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:44:5d Apr 24 08:48:21 so seems it's working on low level Apr 24 08:48:26 USB interface that can connect to a PC. http://blog.all-spec.com/?p=153 Apr 24 08:48:31 wpwrak: From the pdf: " A USB connector on the rear of the Apr 24 08:48:31 station allows data logging, ISO verifica- Apr 24 08:48:31 tion and station control via an external Apr 24 08:48:31 PC. Free software is included. Apr 24 08:48:31 " Apr 24 08:48:53 I bet they mean beer-free, though :-) Apr 24 08:48:57 add an ip on the other side? Apr 24 08:49:01 alphaone: yeah, clever use of capitalization :) Apr 24 08:49:34 usb 1-2: Manufacturer: Linux 2.6.29-rc3 with s3c2410_udc Apr 24 08:49:37 okay, so i correctly identified the cheap usb cable but i still don't know what makes a rework station esd-safe then :) Apr 24 08:50:11 Blu3... before the update on the lates image with the latest kernel in shr, the usb link was hotpluggable Apr 24 08:50:46 well, i noticed it changed from usb gadget ethernet to cdc_ether Apr 24 08:50:48 wpwrak: that's simple. have a low resistance from tip to GND-connector Apr 24 08:50:59 that's probably why it's not acting the same on the other end Apr 24 08:51:07 have no 220V capacitive coupling to tip as well Apr 24 08:51:15 aah maybe yeah Apr 24 08:52:02 mine stopped hotplugging too. but i saw the device change so i'll get around to hooking it up to hotplug cdc_ether types now Apr 24 08:55:24 ground the tip with your fingers :-) Apr 24 08:55:36 Putting the "ouch" back in touch Apr 24 08:56:01 i sorta did that last night :/ Apr 24 08:56:24 i plugged an avr in upside down then went to pull it out with my fingers, not realizing Apr 24 08:58:09 duh, innert gas soldering o.O Apr 24 08:58:39 well with a temp of 550°C that's probably needed Apr 24 08:58:55 never heard of that though Apr 24 08:59:54 DocScrutinizer: Yeah Apr 24 09:00:24 any price tag for €? Apr 24 09:00:35 Blu3: Ah, yeah. They can get pretty hot Apr 24 09:01:07 yeah, a big one... Apr 24 09:01:11 http://www.myvolt.de/index.php?cat=KAT20&product=P50040-AA Apr 24 09:01:45 i don't think i let the smoke out, but haven't tested it yet Apr 24 09:02:24 wow @ myvolt Apr 24 09:02:30 nice price Apr 24 09:05:47 DocScrutinizer: (esd) ah, so basically what you'd expect them to do anyway :) Apr 24 09:06:06 i think i'll like my xytronic 988d a little longer ... :) Apr 24 09:07:01 Hey there Apr 24 09:11:10 i like my Aoyue too :) Apr 24 09:15:18 Blu3 I'm up and running now with my usb net, tnx for the illumination :D Apr 24 09:15:28 no prob :) Apr 24 09:16:06 hello Ainulindale :) Apr 24 09:16:56 O Apr 24 10:34:25 shit... git.openmoko.org is down :( Apr 24 10:35:24 no, io lo vedo Apr 24 10:35:42 web yes... but Apr 24 10:35:46 git.openmoko.org[0: 78.47.190.213]: errno=Connection refused Apr 24 10:35:47 fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) Apr 24 10:35:58 azz Apr 24 10:36:41 THE SYSTEM IS DOWN! (http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail45.html) Apr 24 10:39:50 hmm... looks like the git daemon is off... cloning via http works Apr 24 10:40:41 who's in charge of git.openmoko.org? Apr 24 10:43:31 roh AFAIK Apr 24 10:43:44 roh: ping :-) Apr 24 10:45:14 opening a ticket on admin-trac usually seems to be the best way of getting in touch Apr 24 10:45:22 don't know if it's different for an "emergency" though Apr 24 10:45:31 Weiss: ok... will do, thx Apr 24 10:45:31 hmm. git pull works for me Apr 24 10:45:41 * Weiss tries Apr 24 10:46:04 nope, connection refused here Apr 24 10:46:23 playya: are you pulling via SSH? Apr 24 10:46:30 yes Apr 24 10:46:39 switching protocol to http works... playya have you cloned via http? Apr 24 10:46:56 playya: that'd probably explain it, then :) Apr 24 10:46:57 ahh... ssh Apr 24 10:46:58 jc is fixing (g)it Apr 24 10:47:13 mm, speedy - thanks Apr 24 10:49:53 unless om decided to pull the plug Apr 24 10:50:15 pull the plug? Apr 24 10:50:26 liquidate Apr 24 10:50:36 o_o Apr 24 10:51:25 i'm sure we eat bandwidth like a fat kid that smuggled in twinkies or something to fat camp Apr 24 10:51:45 :D Apr 24 10:52:07 jc: git daemon not running? Apr 24 10:52:41 mrmoku: it is running. Apr 24 10:52:46 hmm Apr 24 10:52:53 * jc rebooting git server now. Apr 24 10:56:26 hi i just finished building fso-image from openembedded/openmoko build setup.. can anyone tell me where can i find the resulting rootfs and kernel image.. Apr 24 10:56:44 pundiramit: tmp/deploy/glibc/... Apr 24 10:57:31 jc: yeah, works again :-) Apr 24 10:59:47 thanks mrmoku Apr 24 11:02:21 mrmoku: git breath again? Apr 24 11:04:39 jc: yep, thanks :) Apr 24 11:10:27 mrmoku: I add this channel in my list. In case something happened I could know that and try to fix them at the first place. Apr 24 11:10:48 jc: ok, thank you very much Apr 24 11:12:10 mrmoku: that's what I should do. Apr 24 11:13:57 mrmoku: you've got a mail Apr 24 11:15:24 Damn Apr 24 11:15:27 People are quick Apr 24 11:15:29 I just sent the invitation Apr 24 11:15:31 7 subscribers already Apr 24 11:15:32 Ainulindale: officialy subscribed shr user now :-) Apr 24 11:15:38 Ah, 8 Apr 24 11:16:18 Ainulindale: just for you to know... I'm extending the ophonekitd dbus interface now... with ContactCache Apr 24 11:17:57 Ok Apr 24 11:17:58 moderator leaving channel ;-) Apr 24 11:18:15 * DocScrutinizer waves Apr 24 11:18:44 Ok, no more users in the old shr-devel ML. Apr 24 11:18:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0948f9071286 10/vapi/evas.vapi: Apr 24 11:18:53 freesmartphone.org: evas.vapi: Canvas is now a real class with its assorted functions Apr 24 11:18:53 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Please use consistent lexical style Apr 24 11:19:56 Ainulindale: what does that means? Apr 24 11:19:59 DocScrutinizer: what's that? Apr 24 11:20:35 jc: huh? What's what? Apr 24 11:20:52 methril|work: what? Apr 24 11:21:01 DocScrutinizer: "moderator leaving channel ;-)" Apr 24 11:21:10 a silly joke Apr 24 11:21:15 Ainulindale> Ok, no more users in the old shr-devel ML. Apr 24 11:21:20 yes :-) Apr 24 11:21:25 We migrated Apr 24 11:21:28 To a new ML Apr 24 11:21:39 I unsubscribed everyone from the old, and invited everyone to the new Apr 24 11:21:44 two new MLs... to be precise ;) Apr 24 11:21:45 but now is 2 ml, isn't it? Apr 24 11:21:45 Plus, there is now a devel only ML Apr 24 11:21:49 yes Apr 24 11:21:59 i'd like to be in the devel Apr 24 11:23:02 jc: implying I'm off terminal soon Apr 24 11:23:35 well methril|work just subscribe then Apr 24 11:23:35 DocScrutinizer: it's Friday. Apr 24 11:23:44 yeah Apr 24 11:24:05 i was subscribed, and now i've to do it again :( Apr 24 11:24:19 heyho Apr 24 11:24:36 jc: on friday 80% of German IT staff gettin silly. See heise.de forum ;D Apr 24 11:24:42 methril|work: you subscribed to the old one, I manually subscribed people I knew were interested in development :-) Apr 24 11:25:10 ok, doing it right now Apr 24 11:25:54 DocScrutinizer: no plan for Friday night, such a bad thing.:( Apr 24 11:26:47 jc: how's waether in TPE? Apr 24 11:27:25 DocScrutinizer: today is nice. Apr 24 11:28:05 DocScrutinizer: need some plan for Friday night, of course not fixing computer that kind of stuff:P Apr 24 11:28:39 jc: sure. get out of that office, do something nice :-) Apr 24 11:29:03 jc: first step: LEAVE Apr 24 11:29:06 DocScrutinizer: for Friday night, I prefer doing something "bad". Apr 24 11:29:15 hehe Apr 24 11:30:25 DocScrutinizer: yap, packing. Apr 24 11:30:41 Ok, nabble archiving created Apr 24 11:30:58 I think we're good now Apr 24 11:31:11 25 members... Apr 24 11:32:49 ;) Apr 24 11:42:59 Ainulindale: The Subscribers list is not available Apr 24 11:44:43 It is if you're a list member Apr 24 11:46:05 i'm to the user (and now to the devel) Apr 24 11:47:55 it's happening with the user list (the devel is ok) Apr 24 11:48:38 I can see it. Apr 24 11:50:10 Ainulindale: what about replies to old messages? Apr 24 11:50:52 Well it's been difficult for a couple of days but it'll settle down :-) Apr 24 11:51:01 s/it's been/it'll be/ Apr 24 11:51:01 Ainulindale meant: Well it'll be difficult for a couple of days but it'll settle down :-) Apr 24 11:51:35 Do you want to opkg upgrade the ML ? :-) Apr 24 11:51:41 shit... now I have to decide if I send replies to devel or user :P Apr 24 11:51:53 i dont think breaking it will help Apr 24 11:52:00 :D Apr 24 11:52:02 ok... defaulting to user... keeping devel for real devel Apr 24 11:54:29 and it even is faster :D Apr 24 12:14:03 Ainulindale: is there some way to include the nabble link for a message as header in the message? Apr 24 12:18:23 nope. not even pipermail, which would be the preferred way to reference mails anyway Apr 24 12:18:58 DocScrutinizer: hmmm... shitty :( Apr 24 12:18:59 nabble is *BAD* ;-) Apr 24 12:19:38 yup, I asked Roh for that times ago. It's not possible for sequence of processing Apr 24 12:22:31 I usually copy "some text of message" to "http://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Ahttp%3A//lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/+<"some text of message"> Apr 24 12:23:06 hehe, yeah... but that's stupid... and I thought I'd ask if there is some way to avoid that :P Apr 24 12:23:25 alas there isn't Apr 24 12:23:39 just create a macro for your desktop Apr 24 12:23:52 anyway ... bye Apr 24 12:23:57 cu Apr 24 12:29:21 mrmoku: as told to alphaone, we're cruising at 52 mph Apr 24 12:29:43 Ainulindale: ? Apr 24 12:31:23 members per hour Apr 24 12:31:33 ahh :-) Apr 24 12:31:43 55 now Apr 24 12:31:47 It's weird how reactive it iz Apr 24 12:31:50 -z+s Apr 24 12:33:50 hmm... that would be... more than 1k tomorrow - frightening ;) Apr 24 12:34:20 bazillions Apr 24 13:38:30 hmmm... those kernel modules are driving me mad... reflashing would have been faster :( Apr 24 13:40:11 meh =) Apr 24 13:40:40 seriously... the upgrade is running for almost an hour now Apr 24 13:41:07 weird Apr 24 13:42:31 pff, why not flash? SHR seems to store absolutely no settings anyway ;) Apr 24 13:42:43 Peh! Apr 24 13:42:49 Burn the witch! Apr 24 13:42:57 Worst Apr 24 13:43:00 BUZZ the witch! Apr 24 13:43:02 gprs APN gone after boot :-/ Apr 24 13:43:05 DocScrutinizer: because everything is as needed OUT OF THE BOX ;) Apr 24 13:43:22 mrmoku: Looks like an Oracle commercial Apr 24 13:44:13 ok... it hangs... completely Apr 24 13:44:45 before it slowly... but continuosly did one module after the other... now it hangs Apr 24 13:44:50 screen does not react Apr 24 13:45:00 * mrmoku pulls the plug Apr 24 13:45:17 ahh... Ctrl+C finally had some effect Apr 24 13:45:19 screen is back Apr 24 13:45:41 out of mem Apr 24 13:45:51 yeah... looks like Apr 24 13:45:59 ~lart opkg Apr 24 13:46:00 * bzzbot blasts opkg to oblivion with a kamehameha wave Apr 24 13:46:38 at least now I can do what I originally wanted to do.... opkg install ophonektid :P Apr 24 13:47:06 set ulimit ;) Apr 24 13:47:36 to make the upgrade break earlier? :P Apr 24 13:48:14 yup, better break opkg than lock Apr 24 13:48:37 hehe Apr 24 13:48:38 Apr 24 15:45:02 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [117804.180000] opkg invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=2, oomkilladj=0 Apr 24 13:48:51 out of memory! Apr 24 13:49:14 hrrhrr >:-) Apr 24 13:51:12 I watched my 196MB PII300 box to recover from excessive swapout of editors etc for >6h. froze completely, except disk Apr 24 13:51:38 hehe... no fun Apr 24 14:06:21 Ainulindale: who's "maintainer" of settings-power? Apr 24 14:36:12 ok... ContactCache works... have to integrate it now :-) Apr 24 14:36:39 opimd? 8) Apr 24 14:36:50 Q-Master: no Apr 24 14:36:59 bad Apr 24 14:37:08 DocScrutinizer: dos1 is the overall settings maintainer Apr 24 14:37:16 cool, now I can see the name of the sender in sms if I've in my addressbook!!! :) Apr 24 14:37:59 love love love shr unstable Apr 24 14:39:00 a21_work: well... it works in testing also :P Apr 24 14:39:44 :P but I prefer the unstable blooding edge :D :D Apr 24 14:41:11 but testing now more blooding edje thtn unstable) Apr 24 14:42:32 why? Apr 24 14:43:11 ah, do you have any news about the new e.? Apr 24 14:55:20 Ainulindale: would it be tooo dirty to add some ophonekitd contact cache dbus wrapper to lfg? Apr 24 15:10:50 what do u think about this --> http://www.diskohq.org/ Apr 24 15:38:07 yay Apr 24 15:38:11 just checked! Apr 24 15:38:15 gps works ;] Apr 24 15:38:24 I thought the hw is broken, but I guess it's not ;] Apr 24 15:56:11 Ainulindale, ping Apr 24 16:37:53 hi Apr 24 16:38:01 is wifiman.py working for someone? Apr 24 16:38:52 i mean - is it connecting to wifi network? Apr 24 16:40:18 is there an app to use gprs with shr? Apr 24 16:40:19 (a gui) Apr 24 16:46:14 anybody? Apr 24 16:46:25 Zorkman: I don't think so Apr 24 16:46:30 The dbus call is easy, though Apr 24 16:46:40 I created a script and a .desktop entry for iet Apr 24 16:46:44 s/iet/it/ Apr 24 16:46:44 wurp2|gone meant: I created a script and a .desktop entry for it Apr 24 16:46:56 is it on the shr wiki? Apr 24 16:47:02 <|Sorcerer|> it is integrated in shr-settings connectivity module Apr 24 16:47:18 |Sorcerer|: Well, it is, but it doesn't remember the values you type in Apr 24 16:47:24 a script is much more convenient right now Apr 24 16:47:37 <|Sorcerer|> just edit the python script of the module Apr 24 16:47:37 Zorkman: not sure, sec... Apr 24 16:47:49 wurp2: any chanse you could upload your script to somewere. Apr 24 16:48:10 |Sorcerer|: I still think it's easier to have a script in my home dir, so it's easier to make it survive updates Apr 24 16:48:18 Zorkman: Sure, first lemme see if it's already on the wiki Apr 24 16:48:23 ok, thanks Apr 24 16:48:39 gotto go and eat now, after that i onlyu have very limited time before i leave and i would like gprs to work before that Apr 24 16:48:40 thanks Apr 24 16:49:46 Zorkman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO#Using_scripts Apr 24 16:50:07 |Sorcerer|: you sure you can do it with shr-settings connectivity? I don't see it anywhere (latest shr-testing) Apr 24 16:50:28 Is anyone using a bluetooth keyboard with a recent SHR release? Apr 24 16:50:41 It doesn't work for me (It used to work just fine, but that was months ago) Apr 24 16:50:45 where can i set the default screen brightness value? Apr 24 16:51:07 Zorkman: I saw it in shr-settings too Apr 24 16:51:13 mokel: It's in the settings app Apr 24 16:51:18 yes Apr 24 16:51:18 Hrm Apr 24 16:51:24 but this is not the default value Apr 24 16:51:29 Actually, a way to set brightness is there, not sure about default Apr 24 16:51:44 its only until the next reboot Apr 24 16:51:53 mokel: Create a script and refer to it in your .profile ;-) Apr 24 16:52:01 mmh Apr 24 16:52:25 <|Sorcerer|> Zorkman yes, i use it for gprs Apr 24 16:52:59 No one is using a bluetooth keyboard with a recent SHR? Apr 24 16:53:25 my gprs script works Apr 24 16:53:57 Blu3: so does http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO#Using_scripts Apr 24 16:54:03 make sure your script loads ppp generic module (and ppp-* if needed) Apr 24 16:54:16 that's what mine is with a bit of tailoring Apr 24 16:54:21 Blu3: Do we still need to do that? My script does, but I thought it was fixed Apr 24 16:54:50 well. things keep changing underneath, so i have left it in Apr 24 16:54:55 me too Apr 24 16:55:12 But I would have brought it up to Zorkman if I had realized it was still busted Apr 24 16:55:45 if you edit the shr py script for gprs, it'll work via that too Apr 24 16:56:40 problem is, if you opkg upgrade, you lose the edits Apr 24 16:57:01 afaik, the u/p/apn haven't been set in a config anywhere Apr 24 17:01:17 Zorkman: shr-settings Apr 24 17:01:20 it works out of bix Apr 24 17:01:23 s/bix/box/ Apr 24 17:01:25 dos11 meant: it works out of box Apr 24 17:01:34 it only doesn't remeber apn/login/pass Apr 24 17:01:37 but it will be soon Apr 24 17:01:52 dos Apr 24 17:02:43 it doesn't work out of the box for everyone :) i had to modify my ppp options Apr 24 17:03:46 Blu3: why? Apr 24 17:03:56 apn/login/pass? Apr 24 17:04:04 had to turn off mppp Apr 24 17:04:09 hmm Apr 24 17:04:15 so then that's FSO issue Apr 24 17:04:17 dos1: where in settings? Apr 24 17:04:26 Zorkman: Connectivity Apr 24 17:04:30 yeah i did that, Apr 24 17:04:33 yes, apn had to be changed, u/p doesn't matter Apr 24 17:04:34 buythow do i set login and pass? Apr 24 17:04:45 Zorkman: simply type it. Apr 24 17:04:52 Zorkman: storing it will be soon Apr 24 17:04:57 maybe today Apr 24 17:04:58 :P Apr 24 17:05:11 lol, never saw those were lines i could edit :) Apr 24 17:05:43 yep, i need to figure out how to change looking of those lines ;) Apr 24 17:05:47 the same in wifi manager Apr 24 17:07:07 ugg, missing library, gotta figger what didn't upgrade right Apr 24 17:10:21 hmm, libehal-ver-pre Apr 24 17:12:06 Blu3: That's efl problems Apr 24 17:12:18 Blu3: Currently being worked on in OE Apr 24 17:12:30 'k Apr 24 17:14:45 what script or program is the -actual- code responsible for making the dbus call to fetch sms messages and present them to the user after interpreting the data structure? i.e. openmoko-messages3 is just a _very_ short program that presents the interface and hands things off to ...? Apr 24 17:16:00 Nlue3: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Apr 24 17:16:24 it's a library which is used by ophonekitd and shr-messages (prev. openmoko-messages3) Apr 24 17:16:46 ok, i'll fetch it from git and try to fix some bugs this weekend/next week Apr 24 17:19:16 Blu3: well... the actual dbus stuff is in libframeworkd-glib Apr 24 17:19:34 what i'm interested in most is the structure interpretation Apr 24 17:19:55 the messages on the sim have the timestamp, but it's turning into 0 when presented to the user Apr 24 17:20:17 then look in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/message-list-view.c Apr 24 17:20:23 and i'd like to change the from to the contact name if it exists Apr 24 17:20:49 missed call messages are getting scrambled data for the from Apr 24 17:20:50 Blu3: I'm working on that right now :-) Apr 24 17:20:51 Blu3: it's done on message view; on list mrmoku now is working on that Apr 24 17:21:00 and the timezone ref is broken Apr 24 17:21:04 ok :) Apr 24 17:21:14 Blu3: and timezone is FSO issue, not SHR Apr 24 17:21:26 well i still want to fix it :) Apr 24 17:21:26 depends... Apr 24 17:22:13 mrmoku: if in FSO docs there is specified, that those timestamps are in UTC, then it's SHR issue Apr 24 17:22:15 is it? :P Apr 24 17:22:25 (specified) Apr 24 17:22:59 don't know... shr is doing Apr 24 17:22:59 strftime(datestr, 31, "%e.%m.%Y, %H:%M", gmtime(×tamp)); Apr 24 17:23:38 and before Apr 24 17:23:39 if(strptime(str, "%a %h %e %T %Y %z", &date) != NULL) { Apr 24 17:23:54 with the string timestamp given from frameworkd Apr 24 17:24:24 missed call messages have a timestamp that's valid except for TZ Apr 24 17:24:33 sms messages have 0 for the timestamp Apr 24 17:24:45 but on the sim card, the sms message timestamp is correct Apr 24 17:25:03 Blu3: for me sms timestamp is correct (there is only timezone issue) Apr 24 17:25:26 Blu3: if it's 0, then it looks like FSO issue Apr 24 17:25:58 in the sim card it's correct. but in the user interface, it comes up 1970-01-01 ... i.e. 0 Apr 24 17:26:17 Blu3: what do you see from mdbus? Apr 24 17:26:27 i see the proper timestamp Apr 24 17:26:35 hmm Apr 24 17:27:23 Blu3: would be a problem with the strptime call... me thinks Apr 24 17:27:36 ok Apr 24 17:28:17 mwester: ping Apr 24 17:28:42 Blu3: can you paste a timestamp is given from framworkd that does not work in here? Apr 24 17:28:48 s/is/as/ Apr 24 17:28:49 mrmoku meant: Blu3: can you paste a timestamp as given from framworkd that does not work in here? Apr 24 17:29:19 lemme browse thru the messages, i had to delete a lot of them last night because they were crashing the gui Apr 24 17:30:19 'timestamp': 'Sat Apr 4 13:16:18 2009 +2400', Apr 24 17:31:07 Blu3: it may be fixed yesterday evening Apr 24 17:31:23 s/may/might/ Apr 24 17:31:24 dos1 meant: Blu3: it might be fixed yesterday evening Apr 24 17:31:30 dos1: don't think so... it is different from the crash Apr 24 17:31:53 mrmoku: why? sended message was crashing gui Apr 24 17:32:03 s/message/messages/ Apr 24 17:32:04 dos1 meant: mrmoku: why? sended messages was crashing gui Apr 24 17:32:08 s/was/were/ Apr 24 17:32:08 dos1 meant: mrmoku: why? sended message were crashing gui Apr 24 17:32:09 ;p Apr 24 17:32:19 i had messages where i was trying to store the binary stuff and decode it Apr 24 17:32:31 s/sended/sent/ Apr 24 17:32:57 after inbound msg was stored on the sim, the rest of the message stuff didn't like that and crashed Apr 24 17:33:16 lindi-: hehe ;D Apr 24 17:33:43 dos1: because they had *no* timestamp... and if I understood correctly for Blu3 it's not crashing... just showing timestamp = 0 Apr 24 17:33:59 yes Apr 24 17:34:07 mrmoku: no, it was reply for "(19:28:47) Blu3: lemme browse thru the messages, i had to delete a lot of them last night because they were crashing the gui" Apr 24 17:34:16 that's a separate thing Apr 24 17:34:19 something i was causing Apr 24 17:34:20 Blu3: the timestamp looks like my timestamps... Apr 24 17:34:58 mrmoko, on my FR, openmoko-messages3 (unstable shr), it shows up as 1.01.1970, 00:00 Apr 24 17:35:42 yep, which is timestamp = 0 Apr 24 17:36:45 correct Apr 24 17:37:01 it should be above; 'timestamp': 'Sat Apr 4 13:16:18 2009 +2400', Apr 24 17:37:02 i have 1.01.1970, 00:00 only with sent messages Apr 24 17:37:11 so for me it works correctly Apr 24 17:37:38 mrmoku: but maybe we should don't show anything when there is no timestamp Apr 24 17:37:49 only blank space instead of timestamp (on message-list) Apr 24 17:37:50 i have 0 for all sms msgs Apr 24 17:39:54 hmm Apr 24 17:39:55 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/413 Apr 24 17:40:19 that's a very informative ticket Apr 24 17:40:30 :D Apr 24 17:40:43 hehe Apr 24 17:40:50 where is the network table? Apr 24 17:41:09 but it would be nice to have database for gprs apns, logins and passwords Apr 24 17:41:17 yup Apr 24 17:41:37 network table is in frameworkd Apr 24 17:41:55 but i don't know if there exist some table for gprs config Apr 24 17:43:05 'twould be nifty Apr 24 17:44:26 Blu3: /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/networks.tab me thinks Apr 24 17:45:22 k Apr 24 17:47:55 mrmoku: pong Apr 24 17:50:51 mwester: hey... some user asked why we don't add glamo_core.slow_memory=1 as default to qi kernel params Apr 24 17:51:13 any idea about that? Is supposed to solve openmoko trac #2217 Apr 24 17:54:26 We don't add that as default because: Apr 24 17:54:28 mrmoku: because it slows memory? :P Apr 24 17:54:41 a) there's no guarantee that actually fixes anything Apr 24 17:54:48 b) it would conflict with u-boot defaults Apr 24 17:55:09 c) it would be the wrong way to fix it, in the case that it actually was proven to solve anything. Apr 24 17:55:38 The use in question should continue to test with and without that parameter, and post to kernel list (and add to the bug) to get it resolved in-kernel. Apr 24 17:56:06 mwester: ok, thanks Apr 24 17:56:12 will tell him Apr 24 17:57:01 :) Ok. Don't want to be difficult with users, but neither should we slow down every user of SHR for an unproven fix, I think. Apr 24 17:57:53 (That's a 10% slowdown in the already-pathetic glamo clock speed!) Apr 24 17:58:04 yep Apr 24 17:59:46 when inbound call unsuspends device, it schould lock touchpanel (and maybe have a transparent unlock notice overlay over dialer), so I can't accidentally touch any button when phone is in my pocket during inbound call. Unlock with AUX or PWR, maybe accept call as well by button press. And if device isn't unlocked, it mandatorily has to suspend as soon as inbound call aborts, no matter what suspend time settings and autosuspend are set to Apr 24 18:01:28 accidental "keypress" events are the bane of cellphones :/ Apr 24 18:02:50 accepting/rejecting a call by random tspanel press is a NoGo as well as a punishment of device not suspending and draining for nothing when I miss a call Apr 24 18:03:20 * mrmoku wonders if it actually happened to DocScrutinizer today ;) Apr 24 18:03:41 you'd love my old windows fone. it woke up and lit up the screen every time it checked for new email, got a new message, etc Apr 24 18:03:43 not really Apr 24 18:05:44 but I checked #1024 and placed device next noisecube, than gave it a short call to check it's positioned ok. didn't suspend after "missed" call Apr 24 18:06:09 s/tha/the/ Apr 24 18:06:10 DocScrutinizer meant: but I checked #1024 and placed device next noisecube, then gave it a short call to check it's positioned ok. didn't suspend after "missed" call Apr 24 18:07:20 hi everyone Apr 24 18:07:36 then I started pondering the uselesness of "classic" screenlocks Apr 24 18:07:56 Still no one here who's used a bluetooth keyboard on a recent SHR, or who has bluetooth debugging knowledge? Apr 24 18:08:21 wonder what i'm missing(from my kernel), i dont have ttySAC0 in my Freerunner's /dev Apr 24 18:08:47 wurp2: PaulFertser has knowledge Apr 24 18:08:53 DocScrutinizer: Thanks! Apr 24 18:09:10 PaulFertser: ping? (re: some bluetooth debugging help) Apr 24 18:09:26 wurp2: not exactly knowledge, actually never connected bluetooth keyboard anywhere :) But i used bluez4 with my SCO headset. Apr 24 18:09:30 i don't have a BT keyb yet Apr 24 18:09:40 It used to work fine Apr 24 18:10:10 Now I can get it to connect (with quite a bit of fiddling), but keypresses never come through Apr 24 18:10:36 The wiki is out of date - it talks about /etc/bluetooth/hicd.conf (or something like that) which no longer exists Apr 24 18:10:48 and /etc/bluetooth/input.conf didn't look like a substitue Apr 24 18:10:56 s/substitue/substitute/ Apr 24 18:10:57 wurp2 meant: and /etc/bluetooth/input.conf didn't look like a substitute Apr 24 18:11:07 wurp2: ok, i'll try to have a look now... Apr 24 18:11:24 bluez3 vs 4 issue? Apr 24 18:11:29 Probably Apr 24 18:11:36 Also, sometimes hidd --search segfaults :-O Apr 24 18:12:11 I haven't tried running a passkey agent Apr 24 18:12:20 rm -rf /bluez4 Apr 24 18:12:29 Mostly because it worked fine without it before Apr 24 18:12:33 ah, s3c2410_serial* Apr 24 18:12:54 wurp2 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard Apr 24 18:13:22 von_fritz: Thanks! I'll try that Apr 24 18:15:23 wurp2: yes, bluez4 instruction looks exactly like it should work. Apr 24 18:17:10 PaulFertser: Thanks for the double check Apr 24 18:18:11 wurp2: if you're still having problems, feel free to provide me enough debugging information (i can understand bluez code mostly, btw). Apr 24 18:20:04 dos1: have you had success with your school network? Apr 24 18:21:10 mrmoku: no Apr 24 18:21:29 mrmoku: it is using WEP ASCII passphrase, maybe that was a problem... Apr 24 18:21:36 so it might not be my router ;) Apr 24 18:21:52 but i didn't tested it so well Apr 24 18:22:04 (checking logs etc.) Apr 24 18:31:23 dos1: passphrase is brainjunk Apr 24 18:31:38 use ascii or hex key Apr 24 18:33:05 Still no keyboard love, but I will have to wait until tonight or tomorrow to debug Apr 24 18:33:11 6 hours+ from now Apr 24 18:33:20 the hashing algorithm to derive key from passphrase is fuzzy defined Apr 24 18:33:26 afaik Apr 24 18:33:29 No error messages; it just doesn't honor keypresses Apr 24 18:35:19 hm.. what's the new equivalent to shr-devel? Apr 24 18:35:23 all I see is shr user ;| Apr 24 18:35:39 TAsn: there is shr-user and shr-devel Apr 24 18:35:49 oh, i c. Apr 24 18:35:50 i thought shr-devel was disbanded? Apr 24 18:36:00 moved to shr-project.org Apr 24 18:36:03 at least i got unsubscribed Apr 24 18:36:09 and split in user and devel Apr 24 18:36:12 maybe i misinterpreted that mail Apr 24 18:36:17 maybe ;) Apr 24 18:36:39 tilman: might be you have to re-subscribe to the new ones Apr 24 18:37:01 mrmoku: i was unsubscribed from -devel and invited to -user :) Apr 24 18:37:26 mrmoku: yes it would be dirty Apr 24 18:37:30 "Please expect shortly an unsubscription Apr 24 18:37:32 nytowl: pong, but I'm leaving soon Apr 24 18:37:32 message as I'll mass-remove everyone from this old list." Apr 24 18:37:35 (changing my CPU fan) Apr 24 18:38:15 Ok off now Apr 24 18:38:21 Ainulindale, hey , do you have git server that could host sms-sentry Apr 24 18:38:47 crap to slow Apr 24 18:39:17 tilman: you got subscribed to shr-user Apr 24 18:40:19 that's not my point anyway Apr 24 18:40:21 :> Apr 24 18:40:32 i'll just subscribe to the new devel list as well Apr 24 18:40:56 tilman, same thing happened here ;\ Apr 24 18:41:29 would have been nice if ainulindale's mail indicated there is a new devel list as well, that's all :) Apr 24 18:43:54 tilman, ++ Apr 24 18:44:23 I actually think someone should mail the new user+devel lists explaining exactly how everything goes now. Apr 24 18:44:24 well he anounced it some time ago Apr 24 18:47:38 ok Apr 24 18:53:15 Does anyone know who developed the app that the 'wrench' in Illume brings up? Apr 24 18:53:45 I might want to put together a bluetooth keyboard gui, perhaps with some framework for people to implement networking, etc. too Apr 24 18:54:48 wurp2, if I get you correctly, you are talking about illume config. Apr 24 18:55:01 for the dev you should probably look in the e svn. Apr 24 18:56:55 or ask raster ;) Apr 24 18:57:06 TAsn, DocScrutinizer OK, thanks Apr 24 18:57:17 Yeah, I figured raster knew, but I figured other people did too Apr 24 18:57:17 wurp2: in which language you want to develop it? Apr 24 18:57:21 python Apr 24 18:57:32 dirty word to raster, iirc Apr 24 18:57:32 wurp2: so it really isn't right place for it Apr 24 18:57:52 Oh, the settings gui looked/felt python-y Apr 24 18:58:00 wurp2: what about developing module for shr-settings? Apr 24 18:58:06 I'm sure as hell not doing dbus in C for fun ;-) Apr 24 18:58:19 dos1: Ah, that sounds like what I want to do anyway Apr 24 18:58:31 thx Apr 24 18:58:59 wurp2: ofc when you want to use python-elementary Apr 24 18:59:01 I also would like to get someone to integrate my slow charge checker daemon into SHR Apr 24 18:59:09 ofc? Apr 24 18:59:17 wurp2: of course Apr 24 19:00:24 huh, slow chchd? Apr 24 19:01:41 * mrmoku wonders why Ainulindale needs more than 20min to change a CPU cooler ;) Apr 24 19:01:52 hehe Apr 24 19:01:54 having some beer meanwhile... probably Apr 24 19:03:06 * DocScrutinizer wonders what a "slow charge checked daemon" might be, and how TF it might relate to SHR, as it sounds like a kernel domain thing Apr 24 19:04:14 DocScrutinizer: where do you have that one from? Apr 24 19:04:16 and kernel seems messed up just enough wrt bat charging right now Apr 24 19:04:43 dos1, hey Apr 24 19:04:44 [20:59] I also would like to get someone to integrate my slow charge checker daemon into SHR Apr 24 19:04:53 1) gps is now working, now idea what happened ;] Apr 24 19:05:12 2) is the wifi app operational? or more correctly, how can I get it? ;] Apr 24 19:05:31 TAsn: israelian army re-allowed it? turned on the GPS again? Apr 24 19:05:42 mrmoku, hehe, probably ;] Apr 24 19:05:55 TAsn: dos1's wifi app is in shr-settings repo Apr 24 19:06:00 I was chased by the Mosad and they jammed my gps ;[ Apr 24 19:06:00 playground/wifimanager.py Apr 24 19:06:21 mrmoku, yeah, I know, I wonder if there's a way to add it to shr-settings yet. Apr 24 19:06:26 and now you escaped... and it works again :-) Apr 24 19:06:40 TAsn: don't think so Apr 24 19:06:44 mrmoku, I hope it will last. Apr 24 19:06:58 I think it's because of tango gps friends, that's how they located me last time! Apr 24 19:07:05 TAsn: I'm quite sure dos1 will have it done very fast Apr 24 19:07:14 hehe :-) Apr 24 19:07:31 cool ;] Apr 24 19:07:35 dos1, ! get to work! ;] Apr 24 19:07:45 next time they will get you with the sms-sentry-trojan they installed on your moko ;) Apr 24 19:08:32 I found out I use a lot of dos1®© software ;] Apr 24 19:08:34 nah, MOKO12 has *special* features ;-D Apr 24 19:09:45 TAsn: wifi app will be integrated in shr-settings when it will be done ;) Apr 24 19:09:45 and MRMOKO69 *is* special :P Apr 24 19:09:50 so please test it if you can :D Apr 24 19:09:54 ok, I just found out I'm terribly slow. Apr 24 19:09:55 it should work now Apr 24 19:10:04 I only now, after a few years Apr 24 19:10:12 what do you think why uSD interferred with GPS, and why SIM and uSD use same holder ;) Apr 24 19:10:16 figured out that copyleft is a joke about copyright Apr 24 19:10:18 ;[ Apr 24 19:10:28 :DDD Apr 24 19:10:35 I'm *SLOW* Apr 24 19:10:36 ;/ Apr 24 19:10:44 just saw the logo Apr 24 19:10:50 which is a backwards c ;] Apr 24 19:11:14 framework sux ;P it stopped display my gsm provider name but it is in networks.tab Apr 24 19:12:46 any way to script cli-frameworkd? Apr 24 19:12:48 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=e97515197ae12bbbbdc950671ae85fdc877753e9 Apr 24 19:13:08 dos1, just download the wifiman.py and run it? Apr 24 19:13:13 TAsn: yep Apr 24 19:13:22 it should work even without shr-settings now Apr 24 19:13:28 where is it? (in the git repos) Apr 24 19:13:29 it's not module, only standalone test app Apr 24 19:13:43 TAsn: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=blob_plain;f=playground/wifiman.py;h=6732165c0738a6d881bc1abd4bfbc5be83953f06;hb=HEAD Apr 24 19:13:49 thanks. Apr 24 19:14:26 dos1: hm is this patch included in framework version in -unstable feed ? Apr 24 19:14:35 soltys: yep Apr 24 19:14:46 soltys: for some long time Apr 24 19:14:55 but it isn't working for me... Apr 24 19:14:55 frameworkd in -unstable has AUTOREV Apr 24 19:15:37 I think I should have installed connman Apr 24 19:15:38 ;] Apr 24 19:16:07 yep ;) Apr 24 19:16:13 as I said, today I figured out I'm SLOW. Apr 24 19:16:13 ;] Apr 24 19:16:53 ok, cross you fingers. Apr 24 19:17:14 TAsn: which encryption type are you using on your network? Apr 24 19:17:28 and is wifi working when using it manually with your AP? Apr 24 19:18:47 is libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0 going to exist in the repo soon? :) Apr 24 19:20:21 dos1, it doesn't work. Apr 24 19:20:31 doesn't even see networks Apr 24 19:20:39 turned wifi radio on from settings Apr 24 19:20:40 TAsn: can you answer to my questions? Apr 24 19:20:50 dos1, wpa Apr 24 19:20:59 TAsn: have you installed connman wifi plugin? :P Apr 24 19:21:05 and yes to the second question. Apr 24 19:21:06 opkg list | grep connman Apr 24 19:21:07 dos1, die. Apr 24 19:21:11 :P Apr 24 19:21:31 you made me walk all the way to the router for nothing. Apr 24 19:21:32 ;[ Apr 24 19:27:04 where can i fetch the pkg for libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0? Apr 24 19:31:17 DocScrutinizer: regarding the kernel and charging - I'm on a gta01, but I haven't seen any issues. I did see some talk about fso not notifying every time the charge level changes Apr 24 19:31:26 but I don't use FSO... Apr 24 19:31:57 rather, I don't use FSO in my slow charge checker. I access the /sys/ files directly Apr 24 19:32:14 because I wrote it quite a while before fso existed Apr 24 19:32:33 fso isn't notifying when charge level changes Apr 24 19:32:51 it only knows two states "charging" and "discharging" :P Apr 24 19:33:59 Yeah, but my script doesn't care about FSO. I just ping it... which is inefficient, but it also works :-) Apr 24 19:34:48 but it's really a right way for doing it? Apr 24 19:35:59 Like I said, when I implemented it was the only choice. And I can't actually think of a way it will cause a problem Apr 24 19:36:11 And I can tell you from experience that in practice it doesn't cause a problem Apr 24 19:36:29 on a gta01, anyway ;-) Apr 24 19:36:44 but it's against USB standard Apr 24 19:37:01 forcing fast charge should be optional, decided by user Apr 24 19:37:11 Oh, it is determined by the user Apr 24 19:37:22 wurp2: how? Apr 24 19:37:39 The daemon just pops up a gui if slow charge is detected and you haven't already told it you want it to be slow charging Apr 24 19:38:06 and the flag of whether or not it's been told gets reset any time the charge level goes to "not charging" Apr 24 19:38:33 hmm Apr 24 19:38:38 I also have an annoying confirmation sequence to keep it from accidentally going into fast charge e.g. in a car because it bounced around Apr 24 19:38:41 which toolkit? Apr 24 19:38:51 gtk :-) Apr 24 19:38:57 again, it's old Apr 24 19:38:58 wurp2: i'm going to implement forcing fast charge mode in shr-settings Apr 24 19:39:18 Will you have a daemon monitoring charge mode? Apr 24 19:39:31 Because to me, the big benefit is that I don't have to click 3 or four times Apr 24 19:39:31 no, shr-settings is not daemon Apr 24 19:39:43 yep, i understand difference Apr 24 19:39:55 I just plug in the power, and within 4 seconds a full screen gui pops up with 2 buttons covering the screen Apr 24 19:40:05 fast charge or slow charge Apr 24 19:40:36 then if you pick fast charge, you have to hit the right 4 buttons (in the corners of the screen) or it aborts Apr 24 19:40:58 fast charge = 500mA or 1A? Apr 24 19:41:13 just 500 for now - I haven't updated it for gta01 Apr 24 19:41:19 s/gta01/gta02/ Apr 24 19:41:19 wurp2 meant: just 500 for now - I haven't updated it for gta02 Apr 24 19:41:37 wurp2: 500mA is correct to gta02 too :P Apr 24 19:41:44 I need to get someone to test it on 02 Apr 24 19:42:01 Yeah, but it's not the same text in the /sys/ files iirc Apr 24 19:42:28 You don't think it should have an option to force 1A on 02? Apr 24 19:42:48 i don't think it's needed Apr 24 19:42:53 dos1, no success Apr 24 19:42:58 I quit for the meanwhile ;\ Apr 24 19:43:05 TAsn: logs? Apr 24 19:43:06 can't connect to my wpa Apr 24 19:43:15 and mdbus -s -l Apr 24 19:43:20 and then try to connect Apr 24 19:43:24 dos1, bah, not now Apr 24 19:43:28 will do it tomrrow Apr 24 19:43:31 tomorrow ;] Apr 24 19:43:34 gtg. ;[ Apr 24 19:43:59 dos1, sorry for the minor help Apr 24 19:44:05 I know I suck, though I really gtg Apr 24 19:44:07 cya Apr 24 19:48:21 dos1, I can't get automatic-suspend on in shr-settings Apr 24 19:48:41 dos1, it sets ok, but when closing the power module it sometimes crashes Apr 24 19:48:52 Sharwin_F: crashes? Apr 24 19:49:21 dos1, yep, it has crashed abou 3 times trying it Apr 24 19:49:30 what crashed? Apr 24 19:49:50 but despite not crashing the last time I've tried, I closed shr-settings, opened power module.. and auto-suspend still off Apr 24 19:50:21 what crashed? shr-settings? Apr 24 19:50:28 yes Apr 24 19:50:38 that's strange... Apr 24 19:50:43 I'll run it on terminal Apr 24 19:50:48 any parameter to get more info? Apr 24 19:51:05 no Apr 24 19:51:08 shr-settings has crashed often for me last days Apr 24 19:51:20 but mostly when finishing applying changes to what I want Apr 24 19:51:26 not when doing it Apr 24 19:51:49 strange Apr 24 19:54:48 dos1, no doesn't crash, but can't get auto-suspend on Apr 24 19:54:52 dos1, $ shr-settings Apr 24 19:54:52 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters Apr 24 19:54:52 super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Apr 24 19:54:52 displayModulesWin 1 Apr 24 19:54:52 makeGUI!!! Apr 24 19:54:54 ['Power', 'icon_power.png', ['shr_battery.Battery', 'shr_display.Display', 'shr_pm.Pm', 'shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts']] Apr 24 19:54:57 displayModulesWin 2 Apr 24 19:54:59 idler Apr 24 19:55:01 loading module shr_battery.Battery Apr 24 19:55:03 loading module shr_display.Display Apr 24 19:55:05 loading module shr_pm.Pm Apr 24 19:55:07 loading module shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts Apr 24 19:55:09 Bat desktructor Apr 24 19:55:11 displayModulesWin 1 Apr 24 19:55:13 makeGUI!!! Apr 24 19:55:15 ['Power', 'icon_power.png', ['shr_battery.Battery', 'shr_display.Display', 'shr_pm.Pm', 'shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts']] Apr 24 19:55:20 displayModulesWin 2 Apr 24 19:55:22 idler Apr 24 19:55:24 loading module shr_battery.Battery Apr 24 19:55:26 loading module shr_display.Display Apr 24 19:55:28 loading module shr_pm.Pm Apr 24 19:55:30 loading module shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts Apr 24 19:55:32 Bat desktructor Apr 24 19:55:34 DEBUG: window destroy callback called! kabum! Apr 24 19:55:36 ops Apr 24 19:55:38 thought I had copied the pastebin link >:< Apr 24 19:55:40 SORRY! Apr 24 19:55:50 nothing strange on log Apr 24 19:56:02 maybe something different requested CPU resource? Apr 24 19:56:15 have you connected your neo with usb? Apr 24 19:56:27 dos1, yep, it's connected to the computer Apr 24 19:56:39 Sharwin_F: so it's normal behaviour Apr 24 19:56:53 frameworkd requests CPU resource by rules.yaml Apr 24 19:57:07 ok Apr 24 20:00:20 Ainulindale: was a big and heavy cooler me thinks ;) Apr 24 20:00:46 Ainulindale: I figured as much that it would be toooo dirty... and started libophonekitd-glib Apr 24 20:02:42 mrmoku: well no for my server it seems the new one is even noiser Apr 24 20:02:50 Which is very annoying Apr 24 20:02:55 Problem is it's an old computer Apr 24 20:03:08 So I'll end up buying a new one I guess one of these days Apr 24 20:03:17 But for my desktop, the Noctua something is great Apr 24 20:03:20 no noise at all Apr 24 20:04:08 Ainulindale: was more referring to the time it took you to install it :P Apr 24 20:04:36 well I did other stuff Apr 24 20:04:44 (installing a new hard drive notably) Apr 24 20:04:56 mrmoku, I think he's just slow ( or all thumbs ) Apr 24 20:05:25 where (repo) can i get lib{eina,ehal,edbus,etc}-ver-pre-01 or ver-pre-svn from? or do i have to git it? Apr 24 20:05:27 nytowl: :-) probably yeah ;) Apr 24 20:05:57 Ainulindale: ContactCache is working Apr 24 20:06:09 BillK, svn.enlightenment.org Apr 24 20:06:27 sorry BillK meant Blu3 Apr 24 20:06:35 :) np Apr 24 20:06:39 i thought you meant me Apr 24 20:07:18 what your asking for are the generated files that should no longer get generated with those names Apr 24 20:07:54 checkins to ms5.5 killed those ver-pre bits this morning Apr 24 20:08:06 those are the library names being asked for w/ current unstable libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0 Apr 24 20:08:25 i'm guessing packages haven't been built yet? Apr 24 20:09:15 they might have been unbuilt by now, libframework gui should depend on eina ecore etc now Apr 24 20:09:31 no libprefix and no ver-pre-xx suffix Apr 24 20:09:51 but libframework pkg hasn't been updated to reflect it? Apr 24 20:10:08 possibly sorry that's outside the scope of my repo Apr 24 20:10:12 :) Apr 24 20:10:13 np Apr 24 20:10:31 DEPENDS += " dbus-glib libframeworkd-glib libframeworkd-phonegui etk evas ecore edje edje-native elementary" Apr 24 20:10:31 mrmoku, or Ainulindale might be able to answer that Apr 24 20:10:45 that looks right Apr 24 20:11:20 mrmoko which PR is that Apr 24 20:11:29 PR = "r28" Apr 24 20:11:43 Blu3, what is the PR of your libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Apr 24 20:12:08 lemme go look, 1min Apr 24 20:12:45 mrmoku who was working on the ewww recipes ? Apr 24 20:13:16 libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 - 0.0.1+gitr9855b6b1a9cbe0c2b8765d21b4d11d807c2b3e46-r29 - Apr 24 20:14:30 Blu3, you seem to have a newer version than is being built by mrmoku Apr 24 20:14:32 nytowl: spaetz just comitted them and Ainulindale tried to build them... don't think he manged to build though Apr 24 20:14:48 this is what is on unstable Apr 24 20:15:00 got it last night Apr 24 20:15:05 I pulled them into ms5.5 and they are getting to the config stage now Apr 24 20:15:12 hmmm... let me check if there are updates Apr 24 20:15:38 they are hanging looking at libsoup Apr 24 20:15:45 nytowl: ewww? why? it's discontinued. there should be recipe for eve instead. Apr 24 20:16:03 dos1, not that I've seen Apr 24 20:16:04 it's renamed ewww with changed home to e svn :P Apr 24 20:16:43 the same recipe might work them do you have a src_uri Apr 24 20:17:01 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/PROTO/eve/ Apr 24 20:17:06 nytowl: yeah... r29. same depends though Apr 24 20:18:24 Ainulindale: be prepared to add a new alias... log ;) Apr 24 20:19:11 mrmoku, does the class/e.bbclass have any DEBIAN_NOAUTONAME in it Apr 24 20:20:10 nytowl: that would be in OE... did not update that one. so I guess no Apr 24 20:20:45 dos1, can't see my unencrypted wifi network with wifiman.py, but I'm able to see with iwlist eth0 scan Apr 24 20:20:50 OE has that change Apr 24 20:21:16 dos1, installed connman and connman-plugin-wifi Apr 24 20:21:18 dos1, that uri should work with the current recipe I'll update it again Apr 24 20:21:37 Sharwin_F: and it's connman running? :P Apr 24 20:21:58 dos1, you got me there. I thought it was an app and the GUI was starting it Apr 24 20:24:07 dos1, $ ps -ef | grep connman Apr 24 20:24:07 root 2816 1 0 21:36 ? 00:00:00 connmand Apr 24 20:25:26 Sharwin_F: stdout of wifiman.py and output of mdbus -s -l while trying to scan/connect please Apr 24 20:25:26 :P Apr 24 20:27:49 dos1, http://pastebin.com/d132b8fcb Apr 24 20:27:58 opened it, no network shoed, closed it Apr 24 20:28:27 how long you waited? Apr 24 20:28:40 mdbus -a -l of course during ./wifiman.py runned... Apr 24 20:28:47 s/-a -l/-s -l/ Apr 24 20:28:47 dos1 meant: mdbus -s -l of course during ./wifiman.py runned... Apr 24 20:28:55 yes yes Apr 24 20:29:09 I'll do it during more time to see if something more appears Apr 24 20:29:25 run mdbus -s -l first Apr 24 20:29:34 then, on other terminal, run wifiman.py Apr 24 20:31:09 that's what I'm doing Apr 24 20:31:28 ugly Apr 24 20:31:36 run mdbus without arguments Apr 24 20:31:45 is connman listened? Apr 24 20:31:46 'twould be nice if the e error dialogs fit on the screen ;> Apr 24 20:31:55 I only get IdleNotifier and GSM messages from dbus after what I've pasted you before Apr 24 20:32:01 Blu3: upstream issue, know and being worked Apr 24 20:32:09 yeah i know ;) Apr 24 20:32:15 s/know/known/ Apr 24 20:32:17 dos1 meant: Blu3: upstream issue, known and being worked Apr 24 20:33:40 dos1, org.enlightenment.Waker Apr 24 20:33:41 org.enlightenment.wm.service Apr 24 20:33:41 org.freedesktop.DBus Apr 24 20:33:41 org.gnome.GConf Apr 24 20:33:51 and 1.0, 2.0 and similiar Apr 24 20:34:03 Shawin_F: looks like connmand isn't running... Apr 24 20:34:12 try to restart it Apr 24 20:34:43 so all of the ver-pre-01 went away? Apr 24 20:35:44 dos1, I'll restart the device Apr 24 20:36:50 Blu3, yes Apr 24 20:37:02 * Blu3 goes on a removal spree Apr 24 20:41:14 dos1, still the same output with mdbus Apr 24 20:41:35 of course you turned on wifi in shr-settings? Apr 24 20:41:47 yep, not now after restarting, thanks Apr 24 20:42:01 wait a moment hehe Apr 24 20:45:23 dos1, the same, antenna on, connmand running Apr 24 20:46:06 dos1, ahm.. mdbus doesn't show it but now wifiman detects it Apr 24 20:46:07 hehe Apr 24 20:46:16 Sharwin_F: oh, sorry, it should be mdbus -s Apr 24 20:47:30 Sharwin_F: it connects? which type of encryption are you using? Apr 24 20:48:11 dos1, it connects, but it doesn't get an IP Apr 24 20:48:16 open network Apr 24 20:48:32 hmm Apr 24 20:48:32 so Apr 24 20:48:46 try to install udhcp connman module Apr 24 20:49:00 ok Apr 24 20:52:20 wurp2|gone: dos1: (charge) please ping me tomorrow to talk about principles of charger detection, usb enumeration and correct scheme to enable USB_CURLIM > 100/500mA Apr 24 20:53:02 DocScrutinizer: ok Apr 24 20:54:44 dos1, still the same, no IP (innstalled plugin-udhcp and restarted connman) Apr 24 20:54:52 hmm Apr 24 20:55:03 plugin-dhclient? Apr 24 20:55:10 (or something like that) Apr 24 20:55:16 installingç Apr 24 20:55:17 i don't know connman very well Apr 24 20:56:00 dos1, hmm but we don't have dhclient on SHR Apr 24 20:56:03 we are using udhcpc Apr 24 20:56:16 so don't know Apr 24 20:56:23 can you run udhcpc manually? Apr 24 20:56:37 yes Apr 24 20:56:39 mrmoku: add a new alias? Apr 24 20:56:55 I always used it via terminal to get wifi Apr 24 20:57:06 Ainulindale: log :_) Apr 24 20:57:16 libophonekitd-glib Apr 24 20:57:24 Sharwin_F: but after connecting via wifiman.py? Apr 24 20:57:32 thought you have irssi aliases for stuff like that :P Apr 24 20:57:44 dos1, trying Apr 24 20:57:47 mrmoku: why log? Apr 24 20:57:53 And what are you doing with that horror, mrmoku? Apr 24 20:58:09 I don't think this is wise, could you tell me why you want to separate the ophonekitd lib? Apr 24 20:58:17 :) doing a sane contact cache... as you like it... via dbus Apr 24 20:58:34 Contact cache will go away with opimd, don't you think? Apr 24 20:59:10 sure, but in the meantime.. Apr 24 20:59:13 U bet Apr 24 21:00:03 Blu3: In the meantime there's no need to make a lib out of it Apr 24 21:00:03 Ainulindale: anyway... if a c client wants to use the ophonekitd dbus interfaces... how's it supposed to do it? Apr 24 21:00:11 mrmoku, which version of libsoup are you using ? Apr 24 21:00:12 mrmoku: through dbus of course Apr 24 21:00:26 mrmoku: the point is, do you know about any such client? Apr 24 21:00:29 Ainulindale: and what do we have lfg for? Apr 24 21:00:33 There's *no* sane reason for any kind of cache for contacts Apr 24 21:00:44 hmpf Apr 24 21:00:45 lfg is for the framework, which is far far wider in terms of use Apr 24 21:01:01 mrmoku: don't misunderstand me :-) Apr 24 21:01:05 I just don't think it would have any use Apr 24 21:01:06 :-) Apr 24 21:01:09 hmm, is the eina package broken or is it intentionally making the ver-pre-01 library name? Apr 24 21:01:18 Plus I don't like this cache idea over dbus Apr 24 21:01:25 one use would be requesting the display on incoming call... Apr 24 21:01:27 I don't know if its place in ophonekitd is appropriate Apr 24 21:01:43 mrmoku: requesting the display? Apr 24 21:02:10 I know... you tell me ophonekitd should do it... but it does not Apr 24 21:02:26 Blu3, are you still trying to install the prebuilt binaries from the unstable server ? Apr 24 21:02:28 if a call comes in the screen stays dark Apr 24 21:02:38 mrmoku: ah you mean that Apr 24 21:02:39 i'm removing all the ver-pre-01 Apr 24 21:02:42 ophonekitd shouldn't do that Apr 24 21:02:43 nytowl: libsoup? Apr 24 21:02:55 It should be done by the framework or the underlying lib Apr 24 21:02:59 (re)installing eina is making ver-pre-01 named libraries Apr 24 21:03:09 mrmoku, yeah needed for webkit-efl Apr 24 21:03:14 eina - 2:0.0.1+svnr40284-r0 Apr 24 21:03:28 nytowl: ahh... don't know... I did not try to build it Apr 24 21:04:03 dos1, I get an IP but can't ping google Apr 24 21:04:27 ut pinging the router works Apr 24 21:04:40 with opimd we can do without cache... but you can't query sim contacts Apr 24 21:04:44 Blu3, it sounds like those biniaries were built between the time the problem was fixes Apr 24 21:04:52 *nod* Apr 24 21:05:02 Blu3, what does opkg list | grep eina give you Apr 24 21:05:06 Sharwin_F: /etc/resolv.conf? Apr 24 21:05:11 no worries. i can just symlink to the needed lib name until it's fixed in repo Apr 24 21:05:15 what i posted above Apr 24 21:05:20 eina - 2:0.0.1+svnr40284-r0 Apr 24 21:05:37 mrmoku: what? why not? Apr 24 21:05:40 there should be thmes and -dbg too Apr 24 21:05:43 mrmoku: don't say that Apr 24 21:05:49 mrmoku: first because opimd is a WIP Apr 24 21:05:57 You see a need for a contact cache Apr 24 21:05:59 I see that too Apr 24 21:06:04 So why wouldn't we put that in opimd? Apr 24 21:06:09 The need is obvious Apr 24 21:06:13 oh sorry, i thought list_installed Apr 24 21:06:15 it is in opimd Apr 24 21:06:17 Every software will share it, IMHO Apr 24 21:06:22 dos1: not as is Apr 24 21:06:30 you can request sim contacts Apr 24 21:06:35 it works for me Apr 24 21:06:43 Ainulindale: completely agree... but I don't see that happen in the near future Apr 24 21:06:55 dos1: *without* pim Apr 24 21:07:13 mrmoku: you can request sim contacts with opimd Apr 24 21:07:22 At least I tested it and it was working a month or so ago Apr 24 21:07:32 I was talking about caching, myself Apr 24 21:07:38 Ainulindale: I know... I say you cannot query the name for a number *without* using opimd Apr 24 21:07:41 mrmoku: fact is, we need some reconciliation methods Apr 24 21:07:47 mrmoku: on that I agree :-) Apr 24 21:08:25 mrmoku: but why do you want to avoid opimd? Apr 24 21:08:27 Ainulindale: and we have the cache in ophonekitd Apr 24 21:08:34 dos1: because it does not work yet Apr 24 21:08:41 dos1: fix it and I will use it ;) Apr 24 21:09:05 you mean adding and editing? Apr 24 21:09:07 dos1, 80.58.61.250 and 254 Apr 24 21:09:21 dos1: that and utf-8 and who knows what else Apr 24 21:09:26 opendns? Apr 24 21:09:31 looks like adding is implemented, but not in backend Apr 24 21:09:49 but i can be wrong Apr 24 21:09:53 editing and deleting is missing Apr 24 21:09:55 adding works Apr 24 21:10:03 (at list with csv backend I tried it) Apr 24 21:10:05 oh Apr 24 21:10:07 yep Apr 24 21:10:10 s/list/least/ Apr 24 21:10:10 mrmoku meant: (at least with csv backend I tried it) Apr 24 21:10:18 you are right Apr 24 21:10:38 the api doc in opimd/docs is quite acurate Apr 24 21:10:41 and tells what is missing Apr 24 21:10:46 mrmoku: and what's wrong with utf-8? Apr 24 21:11:00 umlauts don't work at all (at least from sim contacts) Apr 24 21:11:35 hmm Apr 24 21:11:46 i will look at it Apr 24 21:12:45 ok... hmm... so I had a nice 'learn how to write a dbus service session' today :P Apr 24 21:13:45 mrmoku: BTW. contact cache should be able to be done at actual state of opimd Apr 24 21:13:50 Ainulindale: btw... I even posted the ContactCache idea to shr-devel... with no response ;) Apr 24 21:13:52 except utf-8 ofc Apr 24 21:14:36 s/contact cashe/name resolving/ Apr 24 21:14:46 s/she/che/ Apr 24 21:14:52 dos1: ahh... there's the misunderstanding :P Apr 24 21:15:09 yeah name resolving works with opimd... hence I did that in my easter hollidays Apr 24 21:15:26 show the name for the number in message-show-view via opimd Apr 24 21:15:28 DocScrutinizer: I will try - I'm not sure if our irc schedules will coordinate tomorrow Apr 24 21:15:36 but contact cashe too Apr 24 21:15:42 eh Apr 24 21:15:44 cache Apr 24 21:15:53 dos1: what Ainulindale means... I think... is caching contacts you get via LDAP eg. Apr 24 21:15:58 remote contacts Apr 24 21:16:38 hmm Apr 24 21:16:39 hi...cacao from jalimo is slow on the freerunner but is fast on the bug device...but what is strange is that cacao version is more recent on the freerunner(CACAO version 0.99.4 against CACAO (build 0.99.3, JIT mode))...what could be the cause? Apr 24 21:17:40 dos1: If you fix some opimd stuff I will put my concentration on the opimd aware efl fork Apr 24 21:18:23 so utf-8, editing and deleting are on the first place, yep? Apr 24 21:18:35 plus local cache sql accessible Apr 24 21:18:45 with a "cachability" flag Apr 24 21:18:52 (e.g. don't cache remote ldap) Apr 24 21:18:55 dos1: another missing thing are the signals Apr 24 21:18:58 and a sqlite backend Apr 24 21:19:03 because CSV sucks Apr 24 21:19:10 that later Apr 24 21:19:17 that's a must do for cache Apr 24 21:19:25 I can't see how you want to properly cache things without that Apr 24 21:19:27 edit, add/remo/chg first :) Apr 24 21:19:32 As you'll need a reconciliation method anyway Apr 24 21:19:55 i'm less concerned about utf-8 but i can start playing with it once the editing works Apr 24 21:19:57 Ainulindale: in the first phase we don't need a cache with opimd... because we can query Apr 24 21:20:00 i mean cache later ;p Apr 24 21:20:03 Adding will generate the problem of unicity Apr 24 21:20:08 sql'ish would be nifty Apr 24 21:20:08 Unicity will generate the problem of reconciliation Apr 24 21:20:23 So do what you want, but I still think you'll need a sqlite backend first thing Apr 24 21:20:26 to preload sim contacts Apr 24 21:20:38 else you'll preload them at each boot more or less Apr 24 21:21:05 well... right now you load them every time you read a message :P Apr 24 21:21:13 That's your fault Apr 24 21:21:16 so that would be an enhancement ;) Apr 24 21:21:18 And if you did that Apr 24 21:21:20 You're truly bad Apr 24 21:21:29 Because I have a LOT of contacts Apr 24 21:21:34 I don't want to load on my sim every time Apr 24 21:21:37 yep, sqlite backend is on second place Apr 24 21:21:42 and to fix my bad I wanted to do that ContactCache thingie Apr 24 21:21:49 right after editing/deleting Apr 24 21:21:54 mrmoku: meh :-) Apr 24 21:21:57 Well anyway Apr 24 21:21:59 Gonna go Apr 24 21:22:04 me too Apr 24 21:22:14 lets sleep over it Apr 24 21:23:03 sqlite is nonsense as well. Use xml or vcard format Apr 24 21:23:30 DocScrutinizer: for an intermediary format vcard or xml is stupid Apr 24 21:23:38 To me we should use either an embedded version of ldap or sqlite Apr 24 21:24:09 DocScrutinizer: with xml and vcard you need to read the whole database to search by name? Apr 24 21:24:12 how to handle differing record structures with this? Apr 24 21:24:21 DocScrutinizer: with ldap? easy Apr 24 21:24:31 ldap is ok Apr 24 21:24:35 the point is to know what we want :-) Apr 24 21:24:41 sqlite is nonsense Apr 24 21:24:56 sqlite has the beradvantage of being great for embedded devices Apr 24 21:25:04 and we can approach ldap doing some sql tricks Apr 24 21:25:49 evenin Apr 24 21:26:22 dos1, weird, I'm in the same situation using the method I've ever used to connect at home with wifi to test it Apr 24 21:26:48 Ainulindale: have a look at kabc/kaddrbook history and heritage. then try to do better, not worse ;-) Apr 24 21:26:49 Sharwin_F: try to reboot Apr 24 21:27:12 Sharwin_F: can you test it with opendns in /etc/resolv.conf? Apr 24 21:27:43 dos1, I think the opends are the one's I have there Apr 24 21:28:00 80.58.61.250 and 254 Apr 24 21:28:21 rebooting Apr 24 21:28:23 DocScrutinizer: I'm open to discussion, I just want to find something usable for embedded devices, with good performances :-) Apr 24 21:28:41 Sharwin_F. no, that's not opendns Apr 24 21:29:13 for everthing <1k contact records a simple grep is good enough Apr 24 21:29:32 we're talking here about being able to cache contacts Apr 24 21:29:36 even remote business contacts Apr 24 21:30:32 anyway, off to bed DocScrutinizer :-) Apr 24 21:30:42 please tell that on the dev ML I'm interested in info -:) Apr 24 21:30:48 I'm talking about a decent database for opimd Apr 24 21:30:49 on 2007.2 with 3k of messages it was slooooow Apr 24 21:30:55 no chache needed Apr 24 21:30:59 with evolution data server Apr 24 21:31:10 Ainulindale: night Apr 24 21:34:00 yeah... bedtime Apr 24 21:34:02 night all Apr 24 21:36:32 cache for contacts is mere nonsense if you don't consider when and how to invalidate that cache. *IF* you do, you'll find caching is a poor concept for most of the benefit you hope to gain Apr 24 21:38:42 either youwant to query a (remote) database, or you sync local and remote eventually Apr 24 21:38:57 dos1, so udhcpc now destroys opendns dns in resolv.conf Apr 24 21:39:11 and replaces it with the ones on my router I suppouse Apr 24 21:40:42 but after replacing it again with opendns, it works good? Apr 24 21:41:09 trying it Apr 24 21:46:42 dos1, changed resolv.conf manually and same result Apr 24 21:47:51 name.encode('ascii', 'ignore') Apr 24 21:48:11 that line is in sim contacts backend in opimd Apr 24 21:48:13 ;x Apr 24 21:48:44 dos1, may be a problem of connmand running? Apr 24 21:48:45 Sharwin_F: and what about routing? Apr 24 21:49:25 what about "ping "? Apr 24 21:49:50 what about "ping "? Apr 24 21:50:56 nothing, 100% packet lost Apr 24 21:51:03 tried opendns IP and google IP Apr 24 21:51:15 DocScrutinizer, dos1 ^ Apr 24 21:51:34 only ping to the router Apr 24 21:51:44 so your problem isnt resolv.conf Apr 24 21:51:59 to connect I use: Apr 24 21:52:06 1- connect antenna in shr-settings Apr 24 21:52:06 open your router's nat and/or firewall Apr 24 21:52:25 2- iwconfig eth0 essid Wireless Apr 24 21:52:28 3- udhcpc Apr 24 21:53:03 and check output of 'route' Apr 24 21:53:10 DocScrutinizer, wait a moment, I've to call my father, he remembers the pass to enter xD Apr 24 21:53:34 iwconfig? Apr 24 21:53:35 no! Apr 24 21:53:42 don't usedthat! Apr 24 21:53:46 check if FR route has a default with gateway is IP of your router Apr 24 21:53:50 use that* Apr 24 21:54:13 it should by done by connman via wifiman.py Apr 24 21:57:25 ok, have to go Apr 24 21:57:30 good night Apr 24 22:17:05 DocScrutinizer, when I do a traceroute to an external IP, it starts using the usb0 IP (192.168.2.202) Apr 24 22:17:09 there's the problem Apr 24 22:17:12 I suppouse Apr 24 22:18:25 what's the output of 'route'? Apr 24 22:19:10 Sharwin_F, sounds like you have multiple default routes Apr 24 22:19:55 yup, probably you've setup usb-networking Apr 24 22:21:02 $ route Apr 24 22:21:02 Kernel IP routing table Apr 24 22:21:02 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Apr 24 22:21:02 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Apr 24 22:21:02 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 Apr 24 22:21:02 default 192.168.0.3 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Apr 24 22:21:09 (I use subnet 2 for usb networking) Apr 24 22:22:07 route delete usb0 Apr 24 22:23:59 DocScrutinizer, his routes should be fine Apr 24 22:24:52 yup, just realized. default is eth0 Apr 24 22:25:23 Sharwin_F, is your routers ip really .3 ? Apr 24 22:25:50 quite unusual. Apr 24 22:25:57 0.1 Apr 24 22:26:04 DocScrutinizer, well, in fact I've two routers Apr 24 22:26:16 unsual but will work if properly configured Apr 24 22:26:23 one wilreless connected to another non-wireless Apr 24 22:26:38 and I usually have the wireless one disconnected Apr 24 22:26:46 are they in the same subnet ? Apr 24 22:27:00 hmm, that starts to get complicated Apr 24 22:27:03 but it used to work, and my father hasn't changed anything in the last days Apr 24 22:27:52 as far as I know, 192.168.0.1 should be the wired one Apr 24 22:28:06 but I can ping it when connected through the wifi Apr 24 22:28:15 then that should also be your default route if it is connected to the internet Apr 24 22:28:37 anyway you say traceroue starts with 192.168.0.202 ? Apr 24 22:28:50 2.202 (usb subnet) Apr 24 22:29:35 well, it doesn't do that since route delete usb0 Apr 24 22:29:48 all I get now when doing traceroute are "*" Apr 24 22:30:24 set the default route to 192.168.0.1 Apr 24 22:30:45 nytowl|weekend, how? :P Apr 24 22:31:05 route default gw 192.168.0.1 Apr 24 22:31:09 ok, thnx Apr 24 22:31:21 i'll try to remember for next time Apr 24 22:31:40 route add default gw 192.168.0.1 Apr 24 22:33:33 nytowl|weekend, I get the 192.168.2.202 on traceroute another time Apr 24 22:33:45 it's the fr usb0 ip Apr 24 22:34:25 what does iptables -nvL give you ? Apr 24 22:35:01 * Blu3 chats while waiting for the barber Apr 24 22:36:43 n$ iptables -nvL Apr 24 22:36:43 Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 104 packets, 15270 bytes) Apr 24 22:36:43 pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Apr 24 22:36:43 Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) Apr 24 22:36:43 pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Apr 24 22:36:45 Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 84 packets, 8801 bytes) Apr 24 22:36:47 pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Apr 24 22:36:54 nytowl|weekend, ^ Apr 24 22:37:13 iptables -nvL -t nat Apr 24 22:37:46 waah, nat on FR Apr 24 22:39:05 nytowl|weekend, ^ that isn't true at all, that's the output when connected to usb (using usb networking) the output when the fr isn't connected to usb was all 0 packets and bytes Apr 24 22:40:03 yeah somethings messing with your packets at this point it is some iptables redirect Apr 24 22:40:38 because your router didn't give the correct info dos1 python configurator it got the routes all confused now Apr 24 22:41:03 I've seen a route gone nuts on my laptop some times. restarting network fixed it Apr 24 22:42:06 /etc/init.d/network restart Apr 24 22:43:08 done it already Apr 24 22:43:25 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * raf900fbd005f 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_device_timeouts.py: Overall cleanup to improve clarity Apr 24 22:43:25 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * re8834ef91800 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: Added current charging rate to Status Apr 24 22:43:26 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r62a9ed7d6214 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: Changes to allow for DBus signaled update. Requires 'Notify' signal patch to framework preferences.py Apr 24 22:43:26 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r8135eea62c75 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: Minor cleanup Apr 24 22:43:29 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * rf9a056b0be27 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: General clean up Apr 24 22:43:35 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * rddcaa352e6d1 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: A few minor formatting changes Apr 24 22:43:35 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r87c3b99f7d84 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_profile.py: Addition of dbus signal hooks and callbacks in anticipation of framework patch, expected 22/04/2009 by Michael Lauer Apr 24 22:43:41 SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * rdc97c882f782 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: A few minor formatting changes Apr 24 22:44:13 Sharwin_F, start by fixing your router setup Apr 24 22:44:15 I get "*" on traceroute indefinetly, as before Apr 24 22:44:26 2 routers on the same subnet is going to cause you grief Apr 24 22:44:41 In fact I don't think they are on the same subnet Apr 24 22:44:59 if you can put your wireless router into gateway mode that would be a good start Apr 24 22:45:08 my father doesn't remember now, but he told me it's probably on subnet 1 Apr 24 22:45:35 you said the wired was 192.168.0.1 and from the routes you showed me the wireless is 192.168.0.3 Apr 24 22:45:39 iep, he usb0 IP appears among the * Apr 24 22:45:40 xD Apr 24 22:45:53 the netmask for the wireless is 255.255.255.0 Apr 24 22:45:53 hmm could be then Apr 24 22:46:05 so that is definitely the same subnet Apr 24 22:46:25 iep, I can reach 192.168.0.3 also Apr 24 22:47:05 but don't have the pass now to modofy its settings Apr 24 22:47:06 possibly but it can't route properly to the wired router Apr 24 22:47:16 although it used to work Apr 24 22:47:42 I've been using it some days ago Apr 24 22:47:46 and it worked fine Apr 24 22:48:07 the omly thing has changed is the fr softwate, I've upgraded shr several times Apr 24 22:48:31 I may try flashing unstable again, maybe I've upgraded too much and it's everyting a mess Apr 24 22:48:39 some conf files have changed with upgrades Apr 24 22:48:42 either transparent gateway or set up separate subnet with own dhcp and all Apr 24 22:49:05 sure but part of that mess is a misconfigured router Apr 24 22:49:17 ok Apr 24 22:49:37 might be a dhcp race Apr 24 22:50:01 is the wired router on subnet 1 ? Apr 24 22:50:11 try pinging 192.168.1.1 Apr 24 22:51:02 100% packet lost Apr 24 22:51:33 ok I go back to fixing the routing Apr 24 22:51:38 udhcpc gave ma 192.168.0.4 as my IP adress Apr 24 22:57:50 nytowl|weekend, if I do ifdown usb0, at least traceroute starts with 192.168.0.3 Apr 24 22:58:14 then it finishes with 192.18.0.3 sendto: Network is unreachable Apr 24 23:06:40 I'll continue with it another day, thanks for the help Apr 24 23:06:45 going to sleep now Apr 25 00:13:05 heh.. the cnc mill mills... now i 'just' need proper preprocessed gcode of some model :) Apr 25 01:13:21 |Marco|: :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 25 02:59:57 2009