**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 24 02:59:57 2009 May 24 08:16:24 Hey, guys. This keyboard is really touch-typeable. But the problem is that sugar's keybindings seem to conflict with readline's :-/ May 24 08:21:35 my clock says it's 10:30 there, when are the presentations/feed supposed to start? May 24 08:34:11 morgen May 24 08:34:20 tmzt: these will start after lunch May 24 08:34:29 it is coding session now May 24 08:34:48 tmzt: yet it still looks as a bed hacking session :p May 24 08:35:42 oh, when is lunch? May 24 08:36:11 hum can't remember. 2sec I'll look at the wiki page May 24 08:36:50 lunhc = 12h30 to 13h30 May 24 08:36:58 s/lunhc/lunch/ May 24 08:37:02 ok May 24 08:37:39 have there been real discussions on the dbus thing? May 24 08:42:08 tmzt: which dbus thing? May 24 08:42:49 "dbusification" of ophonekitd May 24 08:49:37 tmzt, not yet May 24 09:06:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r737cd13bcdaf 10/libfsoframework/vapi/ (Makefile.am libascenario.deps libascenario.vapi): fsoframework: add libascenario.{deps|vapi} May 24 09:06:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1388264a3baa 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodevice: alsa_audio: add first bits of libascenario usage May 24 09:21:30 tmzt: they won't be any real "talk" about that May 24 09:21:34 We're talking about that on the ML May 24 09:21:43 It's not something we can talk about with no material May 24 09:23:35 I see May 24 09:24:02 tmzt: Though if you're interested in that I strongly encourage you to subscribe to the shr-devel ML May 24 09:24:18 I will have to do that, I've been reading the archives May 24 09:24:49 I'm interested in where things are going, especially how they will apply to other devices, gsm and cdma May 24 09:25:15 In terms of UI you mean or in general? May 24 09:25:43 in general, but UI is important also May 24 09:31:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc3b278c61f2b 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: May 24 09:31:11 freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: alsa_audio: more work on scenario API implementation May 24 09:31:11 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Reconsider implementing this on a seperate object path May 24 09:37:12 hi May 24 09:37:32 any stream for today? (ologicd testing fso 2.0)? May 24 09:41:43 what's going on with the release? any word? May 24 09:42:18 bumbl: there will be stream after 13:30 afair May 24 09:42:29 now they have 'coding session' May 24 09:42:30 excellent May 24 09:43:58 SHR: 03deubeuliou 07libframeworkd-phonegui-gtk2 * r35bde062c8be 10/src/Makefile.am: Compile the .vala sources with valac, not the .c May 24 09:44:53 i know May 24 09:45:09 wow May 24 09:45:19 i hate my laptops graka May 24 09:46:08 its problems emerge again (color corruption [e.g. white is an aweful light blue]) May 24 09:46:27 strange ;) May 24 09:46:59 the fixed this problem in a rapair shop 6months ago May 24 09:47:03 ~_~ May 24 09:50:49 TAsn, ping May 24 09:57:54 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * rfa11f1651368 10/openembedded/recipes/pyphonelog/pyphonelog_git.bb: pyphonelog: add libmokoui2 to RDEPENDS May 24 09:57:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r4f8704ecac0c 10/ (194 files in 43 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay May 24 09:57:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r4d5ed97f0270 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/frameworkd-config-shr_git.bb: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay May 24 09:57:57 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r6a26e8e0b3cf 10/openembedded/ (21 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay May 24 09:57:59 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r472d5f975160 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) May 24 09:58:05 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r211017576577 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) May 24 09:58:06 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r3674bed94de8 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: Revert "shr.bbclass: Fixed SRCREV ommited during preceding commit." as this is a dumb commit. May 24 09:58:10 SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r9e6bcb4bef13 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/shr-splash.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): initscripts-shr: provide shr-splash.sh script May 24 09:58:13 SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r2935d5e205fe 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/shr-splash.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): initscript-shr: add shr-splash.sh to 0 and 6 initscripts? May 24 09:58:16 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rd3894d19a5d8 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: shr-autorev-unstable: Added ${AUTOREV} for webkit-efl and ewww. May 24 09:58:19 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r7a02f8f84e6c 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (4 files): recipes/shr/*: sed -i -e 's/shr\.bearstech\.com/git\.shr-project\.org/g' * May 24 09:58:22 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * rf0d236d9d740 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) May 24 09:58:26 Nice couple of minutes May 24 09:58:29 I'm going out for a smoke May 24 09:58:31 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * rfff91282069d 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/g_ether.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): g_ether: make sure modprobe.d exists (may not on the gta01) May 24 09:58:34 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r3592e5b79254 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) May 24 09:58:37 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r427297abec7c 10/patches/kernel/ (3 files): SHR: kernel - remove the WSOD patches due to upstream changes. (unstable only) May 24 09:58:40 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r99aec57f124a 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/g_ether.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): g_ether: Always use the USB mac address specified by the factory. May 24 09:58:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r05754d19e15a 10/ (24 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay May 24 09:58:54 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r482aeddd529b 10/openembedded/recipes/ (ewww/webkit-efl_git.bb webkit/webkit-efl_git.bb): [webkit-efl] move to webkit directory May 24 09:58:57 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r76b597e58916 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb: shr-splash-theme-simple: Forgot to install some dirs. May 24 09:59:00 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r5cd9ea07f02b 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb: shr-splash-theme-simple: New BB recipe for SHR splash. May 24 09:59:03 SHR: 03playya 07shr-overlay * r82b8e140a4b1 10/openembedded/recipes/ewww/ (ewww_git.bb webkit-efl_git.bb): [ewww] add new (untested) recipes for ewww webbrowser May 24 09:59:06 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * ra833a3cf775e 10/patches/xglamo/0002-disable-black-background-when-xsplash-is-present.patch: patches: disable black background in X when xsplash is present May 24 09:59:19 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rca0c68cea977 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (initscripts-shr/shr-splash.sh initscripts-shr_git.bb): initscripts-shr: Removed shr-splash (moving to themes). May 24 09:59:22 SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r2f5ffc3eed6f 10/openembedded/recipes/pyphonelog/pyphonelog_git.bb: Revert "pyphonelog: add libmokoui2 to RDEPENDS" May 24 09:59:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r0bfbf29032d6 10/patches/xglamo/0003-bump-pr-for-xserver-kdrive-common.patch: patches: fix stupid bug May 24 09:59:28 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r0a57a85b3dfb 10/patches/xglamo/ (2 files): patches: bump PR and update X splash patch May 24 09:59:31 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * rf1a9d0de0e21 10/patches/ (2 files in 2 dirs): shr/patches: update patches for upstream-updates to PR numbers. May 24 09:59:34 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r70d0c49a09a3 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2_git.bb: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2: fix SRCREV May 24 09:59:47 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * r2c37bbbd8d9f 10/patches/efl1/0002-temporary-fixup-of-e-renaming.patch: SHR patches: add a patch to ensure that the ecore* libs are correctly packaged; May 24 09:59:50 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r23a55d565d45 10/openembedded/recipes/sms-sentry/sms-sentry.bb: sms-sentry: fix S for new SRC_URI location May 24 09:59:53 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * rcd3b5cd0de61 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb: feed: add python-id3lib (closes #254) May 24 09:59:56 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rca49ec591e74 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay May 24 09:59:59 SHR: 03mwester 07shr-overlay * rb604da2d67ea 10/openembedded/recipes/sms-sentry/sms-sentry.bb: sms-sentry: bump PR. Sorry. May 24 10:00:04 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r14ab52aee26b 10/openembedded/recipes/sms-sentry/sms-sentry.bb: sms-sentry: duhh... and fix S to be actually correct May 24 10:00:15 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r57cce4d22d1f 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: shr-config: pin version due to gnome bug 579803 (requires vala > 0.7.1) May 24 10:00:18 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * rbbc4e8c18da9 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: shr-config: pin version to an even earlier version due to gnome bug 579803 (requires vala > 0.7.1) May 24 10:00:21 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r653cc4471ad7 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb: feed: add gpe-scap May 24 10:00:24 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * rce29344cfac1 10/openembedded/recipes/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: fix generating rootfs. May 24 10:00:29 (127 lines omitted) May 24 10:00:31 SHR: 03tom 07shr-overlay * rd0a3d0dd383a 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/ (shr-theme-gtk-e17lookalike_git.bb shr-theme-gtk.inc): fixed the gtk theme bb to the right patch May 24 10:00:38 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rc492e0b520c5 10/openembedded/recipes/ffalarms/ (ffalarms_0.2.1.bb ffalarms_0.2.2.bb): ffalarms: bump to 0.2.2 (should fix evas problems) May 24 10:00:43 SHR: 03ptitjes 07shr-overlay * r034cbe19e9dc 10/openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add ophonekitd-vala recipe May 24 10:00:46 SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r4cb30f1b7ac2 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/initscripts-shr_git.bb: initscripts-shr: bump PR May 24 10:00:49 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r5bc16aade098 10/patches/xglamo/0003-bump-pr-for-xserver-kdrive-common.patch: Revert "patches: follow upstream with bumping PV (xsplash)" May 24 10:00:54 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r4acfaeaf97b8 10/openembedded/classes/shr.bbclass: shr.bbclass: sed -i -e 's/shr\.bearstech\.com/git\.shr-project\.org/g' May 24 10:00:57 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * r50bb84b75ab2 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc: shr-autorev.inc: Added AUTOREV for shr-splash-theme-simple. May 24 10:04:58 ptitjes, is it possible to revert my last commit without creating a new commit? May 24 10:06:14 aaaaa git abuse! May 24 10:07:09 playya|F9N: rewriting history is bad. If you do it locally it's usually ok though. May 24 10:07:49 playya|F9N: to "revert" the latest commit you can just do "git reset --hard HEAD^" but be warned, nobody should be tracking that branch or else they might get upset. May 24 10:38:26 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-themes * r85a09329b7ab 10/etk/default/ (157 files in 4 dirs): etk default theme: Initial import. May 24 10:38:37 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-themes * re63d16be7d5a 10/etk/ (314 files in 8 dirs): eth default theme: Renamed it etk-theme-shr May 24 10:40:29 wpwrak: Hey :) May 24 10:42:14 wpwrak: i've just found that jbt on gta01 doesn't work because spi host bus number is 0 (not specified) and it's specified as 1 in jbt data. On FR i have bus number 2 and 3. So, should my one-liner add one line (to set gta01 host spi bus number to 1) or remove (to set jbt bus number to 0)? May 24 10:52:04 hi, in milan they will do a buzz fix but also an audio fix...they are telling me that they can replace the capacitor with a smaller one but that costs more, is possible? would it break my device? May 24 10:53:30 who is at the convention? May 24 10:54:07 many many people May 24 10:54:13 look at the wiki May 24 10:54:23 i am much too late, too tired May 24 10:54:43 though it will take more or les 90 minutes to essen May 24 10:56:08 the stream doesnt work May 24 10:57:10 BluesLee: it'll work in about 30 min May 24 10:57:19 afair there is lunch time atm May 24 10:57:21 Noone's talking at the moment May 24 10:58:33 hmm, when will the convention end? May 24 10:58:41 in a few housr May 24 10:58:54 4 pm? May 24 10:58:55 jbt? May 24 11:00:01 PaulFertser: jbt? May 24 11:00:16 tmzt: yep, LCM controller May 24 11:00:19 BluesLee, you live next to essen and you are not here? May 24 11:00:38 Gnutoo: can you provide more details/prooflink? May 24 11:00:42 playya|F9N: i married yesterday, so ...;-) May 24 11:00:47 oh, the lcd/tft panel? May 24 11:01:06 PaulFertser, http://www.doodle.com/v4yu8ncx823adtdt May 24 11:01:44 basta comprare un condensatore più costoso, e più piccolo May 24 11:02:11 BluesLee, next time you marry you should have to look at the wiki first ;) May 24 11:02:57 translation: buying a capacitor that costs more and that is smaller is needed May 24 11:03:19 what language was that? May 24 11:03:35 playya|F9N: hehe:-) May 24 11:04:02 playya|F9N: i hope you have a lot of fun there, all the people May 24 11:07:37 Gnutoo: still lacks details. Which kind of bass fixing are they planning. May 24 11:07:54 Gnutoo: what exactly do they say about capacitors? May 24 11:08:45 PaulFertser, I bet it's the bass problem where the capacitor value between the audio output and the sound card is too low May 24 11:09:36 Gnutoo: sure, but there're various possibilities. Have you seen the wiki page about it? May 24 11:11:03 ah yes I remember May 24 11:11:09 I'll look the wiki May 24 11:11:15 but there was a pdf May 24 11:11:18 about that May 24 11:12:52 Gnutoo: there was a PDF version of Andy's method, yes. May 24 11:13:05 ok thanks I'm reading May 24 11:18:13 PaulFertser, they will ask openmoko company about which fix they will do... May 24 11:18:25 PaulFertser, sorry for the disturbance May 24 11:22:38 Gnutoo: ok, feel free to ask if you have any additional questions May 24 11:29:03 ok thanks May 24 11:41:55 PaulFertser: *yawn* er .. jbt is broken ? that's pretty evil. the change would be to mach-gta01.c in either case, correct ? May 24 11:43:33 wpwrak: yes, send it to the ML already May 24 11:46:06 Hey, the stream is online! May 24 11:46:20 PaulFertser: aaah, and with u-boot it works because u-boot inits the jbt itself ? so this means that, without the patch, you'd just lose the display later on ? May 24 11:47:08 wpwrak: (lose) not really, nothing will touch it so it will continue to work i guess. May 24 11:47:13 aah, vala :) May 24 11:47:20 vlc http://corrina.bearstech.com:1234 May 24 11:47:27 PaulFertser: don't we do things to it in suspend ? May 24 11:47:44 but it wouldn't work with Qi, or Qi doesn't work on gta01 at all? May 24 11:47:44 wpwrak: we can't do anything if it's not there anyway ;) May 24 11:47:53 aujourd'hui on parle francais :) May 24 11:47:54 streaming ! May 24 11:47:55 streaming ! May 24 11:47:56 streaming ! May 24 11:47:56 streaming ! May 24 11:48:00 oui May 24 11:48:11 tmzt: Qi works perfectly on gta01 even supporting SDHC after my patch last evening. May 24 11:48:29 but Qi doesn't init the lcd I mean? May 24 11:48:46 tmzt: yes, it never does. May 24 11:49:32 PaulFertser: kewl. the comment you posted originally that explains what happened to the bus numbers would be useful. otherwise, it's hard to understand why the patch is needed. (and maybe mention that this is because u-boot inits jbt but qi not) May 24 11:50:05 bus numbers mean which spi device in s3c or which cs is triggered? May 24 11:50:30 wpwrak: sure, will do after the talk. May 24 11:52:26 PaulFertser: great, thanks ! May 24 11:52:43 who is speaking now ? May 24 11:53:48 soltys: ptitjes May 24 11:54:21 *scratch* shouldn't just refcounts accomplish that regardless of who owns what ? May 24 11:55:33 stream available? May 24 11:55:38 bumbl, should be May 24 11:55:40 yeap May 24 11:55:40 wpwrak: refcounts come with a price. GG is not always desirable. And consider all that stuff like circular dependencies and stuff. May 24 11:56:03 GG? May 24 11:56:05 max_posedon: where May 24 11:56:07 GC May 24 11:56:23 bumbl: topic May 24 11:56:25 vlc http://corrina.bearstech.com:1234 May 24 11:56:29 ah ok May 24 11:56:38 topic is too long for irssi by the way May 24 11:56:47 thanks May 24 11:56:53 tmzt: yep that was my problem May 24 11:57:22 bumbl, topic? May 24 11:59:16 PaulFertser: (circular) yup. i thought vala already had refcounting. so that means that it doesn't and uses ownership instead ? okay, that would explain it then. May 24 11:59:22 ptitjes sounds like John Malkovitch in one of his movies =] May 24 11:59:53 why can't vala dbus introspection generate a proper marshall code? May 24 11:59:57 wpwrak: i'll ask him in the "questions" section. May 24 12:00:07 PaulFertser: thanks ! May 24 12:02:51 interesting. developers willingly committing to deadlines. and even in public:) May 24 12:04:52 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r66cf2e79b191 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 24 12:04:52 freesmartphone.org: Name unnamed parameters May 24 12:04:52 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Frederik 'playya' Sdun May 24 12:04:52 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r0d221b688bfb 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 24 12:04:54 freesmartphone.org: name unnamed parameters for signals May 24 12:04:56 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Frederik 'playya' Sdun May 24 12:06:46 hmm .. intercal had "come from" ... May 24 12:08:31 class::eval(s/private/public/); :) May 24 12:08:49 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-makefile * r1bc1ce7266f9 10/Makefile: Added directives for the shr/import merging branch on OE. May 24 12:10:22 hmm video streaming lags even with cache and framedrop May 24 12:10:25 *hmm* would be interesting to see an example of that injection May 24 12:11:51 bumbl: works like a charm here =] May 24 12:12:00 are you using mplayer? May 24 12:12:29 on vlc it lags to May 24 12:12:56 If someone out there is watching it from corrina it's logical sadly May 24 12:13:04 tmzt: yes May 24 12:14:31 okay. injection = setting callbacks. good :) May 24 12:14:41 ah May 24 12:17:23 stream is laging ;/ May 24 12:19:38 hmmm, no lag here whatsoever, but the code on that green bg makes it rather difficult to decifer code from pixels ;p May 24 12:22:26 spaetz? May 24 12:22:30 we need hdtv :) May 24 12:23:57 heh ;P May 24 12:24:11 hmm ... don't pull your mails while streaming :-( May 24 12:24:17 maybe my connection is crapy dunno May 24 12:24:58 (i just did. let's see how long it takes to recover ...) May 24 12:25:00 wpwrak: well we're all watching porn right now May 24 12:25:04 that's why May 24 12:25:32 Ainulindale: naw, it was me getting stuff from my 40kmails imap folder :) May 24 12:25:42 hrhr watching the stream with colour corruption is nice May 24 12:26:19 bumbl: if you unser DISPLAY, vlc will fall back to a color ascii mode. very psychodelic :) May 24 12:26:28 s/unser/unset/ May 24 12:26:35 wpwrak: well not here May 24 12:26:46 as i built vlc without libcaca support May 24 12:26:57 but it is nearly the same here May 24 12:27:02 ptitjes viewed with libcaca must be good May 24 12:27:12 I'd like that May 24 12:27:13 I'll try it too May 24 12:27:41 with the colour corruption it looks very psychodelic + acii like (but all your chars have weird shadows) May 24 12:27:47 * bumbl hates nvidia May 24 12:27:49 haha May 24 12:28:19 * Sharwin_F joins to the streaming with his vlc to increment your lag May 24 12:28:38 *debugging mode on* let's try if it only affects the internal display (it is not a display problem itself as it only occurs after some time running the laptop) May 24 12:28:50 (PaulFertser for the question) May 24 12:29:06 maybe my laptop was manufactored by the same guys who soldered the neo ;) ;p May 24 12:29:09 btw, I'm having problem when charging my neo with unstable from last days May 24 12:29:17 Sharwin_F: and that is? May 24 12:29:23 it does that when compiling? May 24 12:29:32 aah, thus the ownership transfer. thanks ! May 24 12:29:51 Ainulindale, it starts charging, the % maybe goes from 28 to 32%, but then it doesn't continue charging May 24 12:30:11 the % becomes stable May 24 12:30:28 who's the grim looking guy with the glass ? May 24 12:30:46 wpwrak: where? May 24 12:30:47 which one? May 24 12:30:49 mickey|F9N: cr2 has ppp/umts working on raph100, since you're not in #htc-linux I forward the message May 24 12:30:57 now gone. was in the picture after the talk ended May 24 12:31:02 There are many grim looking guys May 24 12:31:09 Me included May 24 12:31:10 tmzt: wooot! How so? May 24 12:31:17 heh.live streaming irc. 'HELLO MOM !' ;-) May 24 12:31:20 one function was wrong May 24 12:31:33 wpwrak: :) May 24 12:31:35 it said the smd channel is packet and it's not May 24 12:31:42 tmzt: aaaah May 24 12:31:43 Ainulindale, now I've changed from the socket charger to the pc one and looks like charging, but it has happened to me also with the usb-PC one May 24 12:31:53 I cut the stream May 24 12:31:58 tmzt: so we actually did not talk to the modem while we were thinking we were May 24 12:32:25 it has been connected all the night and it hasn't charged anything May 24 12:32:56 it has been happening for, lets say, the 3-4 last days May 24 12:33:28 anybody get what this alternative to reference counting is, how it calls something when changing scope? May 24 12:34:10 mickey|F9N: not sure exactly, I think it made the ppp frames too short May 24 12:34:30 another talk now? May 24 12:35:05 ya, remaining program is: May 24 12:35:15 ologicd May 24 12:35:19 testing May 24 12:35:21 FSO 2.0 May 24 12:35:32 so, three more presentations May 24 12:35:51 hmm ok *tick* dvi out is not affected; graka itself is not affected (screenshots look good), internal display is not 100% affected as it works parttime -> repair shop ;( May 24 12:36:16 Hmmm frameworkd.log -> 2009.05.24 13:35:49.249 odeviced.kernel26 INFO Charging has been restarted, although power is st May 24 12:36:17 ill full. Ignoring May 24 12:36:24 still no stream May 24 12:36:26 but the shelf gadget doesn't say so May 24 12:36:38 tmzt, pause May 24 12:36:44 ok May 24 12:36:57 acording to the battery gadget the battery is 33% May 24 12:37:08 grim guy with sunglasses? I superimposed my passport photo on the stream ;-) May 24 12:37:28 tmzt: no stream -> the cabal is making the real decisions in secret :) May 24 12:37:51 DocMobilizer: we don't have a stream, so you're still incognito :) May 24 12:38:26 good :) May 24 12:38:48 i wonder if anyone is using the external gps antenna connector May 24 12:39:19 Ainulindale, frameworkd.log and shr-settings tell my baterry is full, so the battery gadget must be working wrongly May 24 12:39:24 seen iit being used lots May 24 12:39:26 it would be a very sweet thing to remove. May 24 12:39:44 ah, then we better keep it then May 24 12:39:53 wpwrak: now that the gps fix is here i don't think many will use it now May 24 12:40:25 Sharwin_F: its about hal/sys/auto setting of illume May 24 12:40:32 as the neo internal gps is quite good May 24 12:40:55 there's actually a bug in the antenna switch circuit that may make the whole subsystem perform slightly worse than it should May 24 12:41:08 tmzt: it is reference counting. Just you have all object destroyed automatically when they are out of the visibility scope (unless you transfer the ownership). This allows an efficient memory management without GC. May 24 12:41:10 wpwrak: i just bought external gps antenna yesterday May 24 12:41:42 PaulFertser: okay, but is something added to the c code to do this as vala doesn't have a runtime? May 24 12:41:44 by removing the external antenna, about half the external components would disappear (external to the gps chip). May 24 12:41:48 Sharwin_F: basically it detects 3 bat - one real and 2 always empty May 24 12:41:57 lindi-: okay, let us know if it helps :) May 24 12:42:02 wpwrak: i wrote it to wiki May 24 12:42:09 DocMobilizer, so it makes an average? :S May 24 12:42:27 tmzt: yes, corresponding refcount calls are added by the compiler automatically when it sees a visibility "scope border". May 24 12:42:30 oh dear. better than on a letter in a bottle in the ocean, but ... :) May 24 12:42:31 no average, summ May 24 12:42:37 wpwrak: heh May 24 12:42:55 lindi-: so .. is the executive summary that it helps ? May 24 12:43:05 tmzt: you better ask ptitjes, i don't know anything about vala ;) May 24 12:43:05 well, avg in the end May 24 12:43:12 if someone wants external they could use SiRF usb device May 24 12:43:14 Sharwin_F: disable hald in E settings. May 24 12:43:24 Sharwin_F: then you'll have only one "real" battery. May 24 12:43:42 wpwrak: * SNR went from 36 to 41 in xgps when antenna was plugged in * current_now went from 123 mA to 146 mA (+23 mA) when antenna was plugged in May 24 12:43:50 wpwrak: look at gta03! May 24 12:44:41 DocMobilizer: no GPS at all you mean ? :) May 24 12:44:57 tmzt: this external antenna cable is much more thin than usb cable. it's ideal for placing the antenna far away May 24 12:45:02 PaulFertser, I've set Hardware to Internal in Battery Monitor Settings, that's what I've to do? May 24 12:45:09 Sharwin_F: yes, then restart E. May 24 12:45:32 lindi-: okay, current sucks but 5 dB are nothing to sneer at May 24 12:45:39 PaulFertser, ok thanks May 24 12:45:47 * Sharwin_F goes to have lunch May 24 12:46:00 wpwrak: the best part is that you can move the antenna easily to a better location May 24 12:46:08 wpwrak: and it was only 15 EUR May 24 12:46:30 current is for ext ant feed -depends May 24 12:46:37 lindi-: so ... how will you use the antenna ? May 24 12:46:45 gps is required in us though, why doesn't the phone chip have it now? May 24 12:47:04 DocMobilizer: yup, but we turn off current to the internal one (or so i hope :) May 24 12:47:23 should May 24 12:47:27 tmzt: give them time ... it has already made it into telephony modules May 24 12:47:41 prolly ext taking more May 24 12:48:05 - depends May 24 12:48:09 wpwrak: probaly just put it on the roof of a car May 24 12:48:23 wpwrak: now i'm using it to get accurate time inside building May 24 12:48:26 is the gta chip used for e911? May 24 12:48:29 stream! May 24 12:48:39 lindi-: mine was 6eur May 24 12:48:43 it's streaming again May 24 12:48:51 Ologicd May 24 12:49:03 eeeeek May 24 12:49:58 DocMobilizer: do you know if one could just connect an external antenna to the internal antenna socket ? May 24 12:51:22 sure you can May 24 12:51:56 basically both con are equiv May 24 12:52:12 who's speaking atm? May 24 12:52:15 DocMobilizer: great ! so we have an alternative for stationary use May 24 12:52:50 Zorkman: ptitjes May 24 12:52:54 DocMobilizer: do you remember if gta03-6410-pre-castration had an external gps connector ? May 24 12:53:21 none May 24 12:54:16 DocMobilizer: good. so the schematics are worth digging out. May 24 12:54:53 "ophonekitty" ;-) May 24 12:54:58 thats why i put ! after 'see gta03' May 24 12:55:15 DocMobilizer: ah ! thanks :) May 24 12:56:27 BEER! May 24 12:56:34 whos talkiing? May 24 12:56:44 DocMobilizer: ptitjes again May 24 12:56:50 ptitjes about ologicd May 24 12:57:03 hmm May 24 12:57:22 nothin to contribute... May 24 12:57:39 prefer sun ;-) May 24 12:58:56 DocMobilizer: you're still outside? May 24 12:58:58 Damn May 24 12:59:02 THere's beer in here May 24 12:59:11 bah May 24 13:00:33 getting stinky - odds are no hw-talk at all. thats been reason pierre and me came here May 24 13:00:57 DocMobilizer: whom did you expected to talk hardware? ;) May 24 13:01:27 My connection is too slow to watch the stream, but ologicd sounds cool May 24 13:01:46 why not give a hw-talk yourself DocMobilizer? you seem like the ideal candidate for that May 24 13:01:55 raster, pierre, prolly daniel roh dunno, me May 24 13:01:56 DocMobilizer: well you could have talked about that :-p May 24 13:02:38 DocMobilizer: you could sing the praise of gta02-core. revisit your role as ambassador ;-) May 24 13:02:43 I would use it to make it automatically accept calls from people I don't like :D May 24 13:03:23 i'm not interested in a talk, rather in a meeting May 24 13:03:37 thrashold: i think you mean reject, otherwise you're a sick mind :) May 24 13:03:38 DocMobilizer: does a common mode choke have polarity ? May 24 13:03:53 nope May 24 13:04:03 Zorkman: No, I want to increase their phone bill. :D May 24 13:04:16 except for common mode ;) May 24 13:04:30 hehe, can't you redirect them to a sex-lin then? :p May 24 13:04:32 (hehe, prolog is all fun and elegance ... until you discover cut ;-) May 24 13:05:18 huh? May 24 13:05:39 DocMobilizer: hmm. the circuit symbol has a dot on one side. what does it mean ? i just noticed that B4102 and the others have the dot on the sid of pins 1 and 2, but B4105 has it on the side of pins 3 and 4. May 24 13:06:10 DocMobilizer: after mickey's talk May 24 13:06:17 DocMobilizer: should have been 3pm May 24 13:06:21 but things are running late May 24 13:06:29 DocMobilizer: (prolog) with cuts, you keep it from enumerating the universe. but that's where procedural thinking creeps back in. May 24 13:06:35 hmm, prolly to sign orientation May 24 13:07:17 raster: :-) May 24 13:07:49 ;) May 24 13:07:54 pizza is here! May 24 13:08:08 raster: ah let us cut that talk then :-p May 24 13:08:22 raster, where? May 24 13:08:23 (Fooooooooooooood) May 24 13:08:32 mrmoku: up your neighbour's ass May 24 13:08:33 DocMobilizer: ARGH. look at hardware.internal/GTA03_6410_x5A/72-7GTA03-910/Datasheet/PM/B3005-EXC240CB102U.pdf May 24 13:08:35 i see stefan outside doing pizza things May 24 13:08:40 (not me obviously) May 24 13:08:41 DocMobilizer: very polar May 24 13:08:54 ptitjes, hurry up.... pizza is getting cold ;) May 24 13:09:06 no way on fr May 24 13:09:52 well May 24 13:09:52 DocMobilizer: or here: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/components/pdf/AEH0000CE12.pdf May 24 13:09:58 you could talk about the iphone if you'd rather do that May 24 13:10:03 PIZZA PIZZA PIZzA May 24 13:10:38 wpwrak: no way on FR May 24 13:10:45 wow, i see mickey|F9N got an upgrade!!, someone called "mickeyl 2.0" is going to give a speech later today :) (as seen on http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON%2709) May 24 13:11:20 Well yeah but the revision bump got reverted May 24 13:11:28 DocMobilizer: you're using your FR to chat ? May 24 13:11:44 DocMobilizer: yesterday there was a talk about gsm celldb, did they talk about implementing TA (the thing you suggested to onen) May 24 13:11:49 tmzt: gps is required in the us? by law? to track you? May 24 13:12:35 bumbl: psst! you're supposed to be silent about this one :) May 24 13:12:38 yup May 24 13:12:45 for enhanced 911 (emergency) service May 24 13:13:01 DocMobilizer: hah, well maybe ask someone to show you in the break. i think you'll like it ;-) May 24 13:14:56 tmzt: of course only for emergency ;) May 24 13:15:08 wpwrak: sorry May 24 13:15:10 ;) May 24 13:16:38 bumbl: only emergencies May 24 13:16:52 and to fight terrorism May 24 13:17:01 and child pornography, of course May 24 13:17:09 and parking violations :) May 24 13:17:21 national health includes war against terrorism but not public health care ;) May 24 13:18:04 hm ptitjes is a cloud of pixels here May 24 13:18:06 * mrmoku does not like cold pizza :( May 24 13:18:12 national health? May 24 13:18:19 nation security? May 24 13:18:21 Yeah we should kick his ass May 24 13:19:13 ;) May 24 13:19:16 tmzt: it's all the same in the end. as longs as it's against the terrorists, it's good :) May 24 13:20:05 mrmoku: we have something called an "oven" in belgium, it works quite well (no buzz, glamo-issues...) May 24 13:20:10 tmzt: there's nothing else to worry about :) go back to bed america :) (got that one from a song) May 24 13:20:36 Zorkman, man... we are already late... don't want to waste time re-heating up the pizza May 24 13:20:37 tracfeed: Ticket #475 (battery gadget, wrong charge level on GTA02 + latest shr-unstable) updated May 24 13:20:57 spaetz: when you'll be there please ping me May 24 13:21:04 I have a question for you May 24 13:21:08 DocMobilizer: if you could have a peek at that common mode choke, i'd be interested in knowing whether it only looks polar or if it is really polar. May 24 13:21:35 Zorkman: not specifically about TA afaaik May 24 13:21:58 np, was just curious May 24 13:22:18 its not polar May 24 13:22:28 its a choke May 24 13:22:54 DocMobilizer: feel free to come to my laptop and see the datasheet for yourself. It looks kinda polar though probably it's irrelevant. May 24 13:23:30 DocMobilizer: so it doesn't matter that there's a common part followed by a non-common part ? May 24 13:23:48 I just want to make sure my pizza is the warmest one, so, dibs May 24 13:24:05 usually on multi coil transformers you mark common mode end of each coil with dot May 24 13:24:19 food choices: cold pizza :) May 24 13:25:35 DocMobilizer: okay, so the two ends are equivalent ? May 24 13:26:05 (pizza: he must feel as if talking in front of a pack of hungry wolves ;-) May 24 13:26:10 basically yes May 24 13:26:44 Well it's that May 24 13:26:49 DocMobilizer: okay. thanks ! May 24 13:26:52 ;-))))) May 24 13:26:54 finally pizza :D May 24 13:27:03 :) May 24 13:27:19 i should heat up some brownies ... May 24 13:27:26 wpwrak: np May 24 13:28:25 PaulFertser: thanks May 24 13:28:51 DocMobilizer: is the circuit symbol used by openmoko that shows a single pair of coils a common "abbreviation" for this kind of setup ? or should the schematics show both pairs, the common-mode and the non-common-mode pair ? May 24 13:29:17 should May 24 13:29:53 another NAK May 24 13:30:03 DocMobilizer: should show both ? May 24 13:30:13 yup May 24 13:31:01 DocMobilizer: okay. thanks ! hehe, in the end, we might finally get all the crap right. oh, the schematics also have the wrong part number. someone invented a zero where there's none. May 24 13:35:40 wpwrak: strange. usually Chinese are supposed to be good on copying May 24 13:35:53 DocMobilizer: hihi ;-) May 24 13:37:41 i pondered for some months now wether to give schem another turn of fixing stuff May 24 13:38:17 to finally remove NAK and rc May 24 13:38:34 DocMobilizer: well, it's happening now in a way. it's still interesting how much junk we find. May 24 13:38:54 good May 24 13:40:13 DocMobilizer: i guess the day i look at something produced by openmoko ee and find it flawless, i should start to worry :) May 24 13:41:01 DocMobilizer: coming back to the dot. does it mark the direction of the magnetic flow ? May 24 13:41:06 you never know, for any schem May 24 13:41:53 its just marking common mode wires usually May 24 13:42:16 DocMobilizer: okay, thanks May 24 13:42:52 if datasheet doesnt mention you cant prolly tell May 24 13:44:04 DocMobilizer: yup. seems that this was just a decoration invented by openmoko. panasonic themselves don't have a dot. May 24 13:44:24 ahhhh May 24 13:49:33 "it may be wrong but hey, it looked pretty" :) May 24 13:53:05 i'll take pretty over logic any day ;p May 24 13:54:57 sicu: i think that's one of those areas where girls and schematics differ :) May 24 13:56:39 oh, perhaps i got things muddled up ;p might explain why ppl cringe when they see my programming efforts ;p May 24 13:57:10 hehe :) May 24 14:07:24 Hi guys :) May 24 14:08:08 i would have some advices from you all... first of all , really nice work for your work with fso :) May 24 14:08:25 i'm trying to do some test, so i used the fso console image May 24 14:08:43 i requested via your api, the CPU and GSM Resource May 24 14:08:52 ping Ainulindale. here for a sec May 24 14:09:02 and then asked to the sim card if it needs a code May 24 14:09:07 and i got : May 24 14:09:21 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.Failed: Unhandled CME ERROR: SIM failure May 24 14:09:32 did i forget to activate something or ... ? May 24 14:09:57 oh , and it works perfectly with SHR ... so i think i missed something ... geez May 24 14:10:33 anyone has a clue about that ? May 24 14:10:37 ah, stream is back May 24 14:10:47 "detest" :) May 24 14:10:49 request the resource? May 24 14:10:54 wpwrak: :P May 24 14:11:48 i did : May 24 14:12:01 gone agai Ainulindale. bbl. send q via mail or pm. i'll reply May 24 14:12:15 spaetz, he's still outside May 24 14:12:25 gsm_usage.RequestResource("CPU") May 24 14:12:36 gsm_usage.RequestResource("GSM") May 24 14:12:46 gsm_sim.GetAuthCodeRequired() May 24 14:13:00 the latter put the error message before... May 24 14:14:48 oops,finally made it to stream ;-) May 24 14:15:43 DocMobilizer: just when i went to the toilet ? your timing is phenomenal :) May 24 14:15:58 i will try without requesting any resource, and reboot it just before the test, to be as clean as possible ... but what the hell can be this error ... May 24 14:16:05 hehe May 24 14:17:28 there's a nice talk about testing right now May 24 14:17:58 hey May 24 14:18:06 what talks was before? May 24 14:18:11 s/was/were/ May 24 14:18:33 dos1, today ptitjes talking about the vala rewrite and ologicd May 24 14:19:13 uh May 24 14:19:36 so i have to wait for downloadable videos... May 24 14:19:43 mrmoku: what will be next? May 24 14:20:00 now it's alphaone talking about dtest... after that mickey about cornucopia May 24 14:20:08 then talks are finished May 24 14:20:13 oh May 24 14:20:26 so i won't miss cornucopia talk May 24 14:20:37 one good news :P May 24 14:21:12 same error ... without requesting GSM resource, it said that resource is disabled May 24 14:21:17 after the requestResource May 24 14:21:39 i got the same error message : Unhandled CME ERROR : SIM failure May 24 14:21:42 :( :( :( May 24 14:22:33 what did i forget ? :s May 24 14:23:18 ST1: maybe firmware upgrade? May 24 14:23:19 ;P May 24 14:24:08 dos1: lol May 24 14:24:28 ST1: what firmware do you have? May 24 14:24:40 dos1 : How can i check it ? May 24 14:24:44 if not Moko11, then upgrade May 24 14:24:49 ST1: check on wiki May 24 14:24:58 Moko11 fixes most of SIM handling problems May 24 14:24:59 dos1 : right, brb May 24 14:27:49 nice May 24 14:29:41 how was the zoom ? May 24 14:29:42 Yep, the diagram looks very useful and cool. May 24 14:30:22 PaulFertser: reminds me of the SPIN model checker May 24 14:30:36 PaulFertser: that one can also generate those diagrams May 24 14:30:49 is that alphaone who gave this presentation? May 24 14:30:56 yes May 24 14:31:00 spin is proprietary software, use nips instead May 24 14:31:05 dos1: I can't find what i'm searching ... :( May 24 14:31:06 yes :D May 24 14:31:16 yes :-) May 24 14:31:22 alphaone: ;) May 24 14:31:34 lindi-: man, just google for "nips" ;-) May 24 14:31:36 just heard the last bits though May 24 14:31:44 Deubeuliou: zoom was nice, labels were readable May 24 14:31:58 stream restarted May 24 14:32:02 ok :) May 24 14:32:15 wpwrak: "nips promela" works bit better. http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~michaelw/nips/ May 24 14:32:38 thanks ! May 24 14:33:21 is there an equivalent to xspin as well ? May 24 14:33:44 wpwrak: no in that tool suite i think May 24 14:33:55 wpwrak: DiViNe might have some May 24 14:34:25 hmm mickey|F9N has a new haircut ;) May 24 14:35:15 Well actually it's not truly hair May 24 14:35:20 Hence mickey 2.0 May 24 14:35:39 haha May 24 14:36:07 cool room May 24 14:36:15 is anyone else having issues with the video stream? May 24 14:36:29 Toaster`: no May 24 14:36:31 fso runs in 32 MB ? so we could trim the gta02 to 64 MB ? May 24 14:36:48 which makes it pop only? May 24 14:37:05 wpwrak, wait for concutopia and trip to 32Mb) May 24 14:37:05 tmzt: it's about 1Mbit/s stream May 24 14:37:15 Toaster`: it briefly stalled a moment ago but in general it's fine May 24 14:37:19 huh? May 24 14:37:26 wpwrak: ram does not cost much nowadays - is it that expensive having larger ram when soldering it onto the board? May 24 14:37:30 (add a swap partition :) May 24 14:37:33 ok, I've only been getting 3-4 minutes then it cuts out May 24 14:37:35 internal ram in the cpu chip May 24 14:37:49 that would make it simpler to make a core device? May 24 14:38:02 bumbl: you get only so much ram in a multi-chip package. if you want more, you have to add chips. May 24 14:38:19 ah ok May 24 14:38:48 some are not paying attention May 24 14:38:50 tut tu May 24 14:38:52 t May 24 14:39:01 tmzt: yup. memory bus is always critical. i'm already happy that we could kill nor and glamo May 24 14:39:13 (well, everybody's happy about killing the glamo :) May 24 14:39:30 another stall May 24 14:39:56 its not mickey though :P May 24 14:40:11 What codec is being used for the video? May 24 14:40:25 mpg May 24 14:40:26 * mrmoku does not know May 24 14:40:27 2 May 24 14:40:35 mpg May 24 14:41:09 ptitjes: Want to give me your phone now? May 24 14:41:22 ~500 kb/s stream bitrate according to vlc May 24 14:41:38 he is paying attention to mickey, not his screen, currently :) May 24 14:41:46 bumbl: 800 May 24 14:41:46 nokintel ? :) May 24 14:42:17 mrmoku: ? May 24 14:42:38 444kb/s here May 24 14:43:14 bumbl, yep May 24 14:44:05 he had his first encounter with vala. he liked her. she was pretty young then. so he thought, "let's do it with vala". May 24 14:44:12 mrmoku: not mickey? but he looks like mickey - is he an evil twin? May 24 14:44:16 wpwrak: loool May 24 14:44:20 and she's got small feet May 24 14:44:27 bumbl, not mickey that stalled I meant ;) May 24 14:44:41 ah ok May 24 14:44:44 mrmoku: are you also there? May 24 14:45:00 mrmoku: which one? May 24 14:45:19 BluesLee, invisible shield on ;) May 24 14:45:22 mrmoku: wave the next time Deubeuliou takes the camera round May 24 14:45:27 ;p May 24 14:45:29 i want higher priority on opimd! ;D May 24 14:45:35 dos1: hehe May 24 14:46:05 it's good to be in the kernel. implicit top priority :) May 24 14:46:13 BluesLee: he's the guy with the wooden leg & the eye patch May 24 14:46:54 Ainulindale: hehe, i guess the talk of mckey is boring, hehe May 24 14:47:01 not at all May 24 14:47:08 (ssshhhh he'll read that later on) May 24 14:47:33 Ainulindale: should i repeat it? May 24 14:47:40 :-) May 24 14:47:45 okay, okay May 24 14:47:55 xD May 24 14:47:56 now May 24 14:48:00 ;p May 24 14:48:03 its really May 24 14:48:05 really May 24 14:48:27 mickey|zzZZzz: ^^^^^^^^^^ May 24 14:48:32 ;) May 24 14:48:50 Ainulindale: will the streams be uploaded to a server? May 24 14:48:54 yes May 24 14:48:59 fine! May 24 14:49:40 mrmoku: in the mid i have 2 gsm "crashes" a week May 24 14:49:56 what is on that whiteboard? May 24 14:50:36 dos1: the drawing of my use case for cutting a resource request from another process May 24 14:50:42 dos1: (that is for settings mainly) May 24 14:50:47 mrmoku: using testing ... the problem is that the phone doesnt show how me that there is a problem May 24 14:50:50 hehe mickey|zzZZzz walks directly into the whiteboard May 24 14:51:01 s/the/the view of the/ May 24 14:51:11 ;) May 24 14:51:29 there be no architecture. we'll just wing it May 24 14:51:33 as you can see, FSO has no srchitecture May 24 14:51:36 :) May 24 14:51:40 ;D May 24 14:52:06 who needs architecture anyway? May 24 14:52:54 Ainulindale: is this the end talk? May 24 14:52:59 PaulFertser: thaks for the update. i guess i should go and wake up the kernel maintainer now :) May 24 14:53:55 BluesLee: well nearly yes May 24 14:54:09 Ok this is annoying, the video feed keeps dropping every couple minutes, if I'm lucky. May 24 14:54:25 pizza :o~~ May 24 14:54:37 Ainulindale: okay, than it was a good decision to sleep some hours instead of joining for 30-60 minutes May 24 14:54:38 exactly what i thought May 24 14:55:01 BluesLee: well yes May 24 14:55:18 (You're Sacha?) May 24 14:55:37 (I have difficulties remembering names & such) May 24 14:55:46 (or anything for that matter) May 24 14:55:52 Ainulindale: ?? no, i am blues, blues lee:-) May 24 14:56:04 Ainulindale: you shouldnt drink so much my dictator May 24 14:56:08 Well yeah but where you there yesterday? May 24 14:56:09 :-) May 24 14:56:15 I don't drink that much May 24 14:56:24 Ainulindale: yesterday i married my wife May 24 14:56:31 Well then you suck May 24 14:56:33 who asks now? May 24 14:56:36 ;) May 24 14:56:37 onen May 24 14:56:38 Ainulindale: hehe May 24 14:56:52 ptitjes? May 24 14:56:58 onen, dos1 May 24 14:57:02 can preferences/configuration be in one place then, or is everything going to read a different file? May 24 14:57:08 ptitjes sounds more gay May 24 14:57:13 ;D May 24 14:57:24 (he's looking at me) May 24 14:57:28 Ainulindale: is emdete also there? May 24 14:57:32 pffffffffffffffffffff May 24 14:57:34 (he's trying to find a good thing to answer) May 24 14:57:36 but he won't May 24 14:57:40 but I'm gay May 24 14:57:43 BluesLee: I have no idea May 24 14:57:47 oups not that's not true May 24 14:57:48 for now i recognise only Ainulindale, shoragan and mickey May 24 14:57:58 who is Ainulindale May 24 14:58:07 the beautiful guy May 24 14:58:08 the one on the right? May 24 14:58:16 You can't see me right now May 24 14:58:24 Oh yes you may be able to May 24 14:58:24 this it ptitjes or? May 24 14:58:29 ptitjes in orange May 24 14:58:33 okay May 24 14:58:38 with beer? May 24 14:58:40 I was the guy with the glasses and short hair (plus beard) May 24 14:58:43 yeah May 24 14:58:46 okay May 24 14:58:54 wpwrak: i didn't manage to even catch kernel messages for resume (and it resuspends immediately for whatever reason), so gta01 kernel still needs improvements. May 24 14:59:24 no hw talk then. sneef :-( May 24 14:59:29 does gta02 use onenand? May 24 14:59:35 wpwrak: nobody volunteered :( May 24 14:59:44 tmzt: nope. just plain old basic nand. May 24 14:59:54 wpwrak: ok, then is onenand sd based? May 24 15:00:23 hehe cleaning up is always imoportant May 24 15:00:26 -o May 24 15:00:30 PaulFertser: hmm, we had something like this in the past May 24 15:00:40 Ainulindale: clean up the moko:-) May 24 15:00:42 "clean up the mess" sounds familiar May 24 15:00:43 wpwrak: i know, the serial port is shared May 24 15:01:45 Was that the end of the stream? May 24 15:01:51 yep May 24 15:01:53 :) May 24 15:01:57 ok Thanks May 24 15:01:58 I want to take my computer back May 24 15:02:12 seems that they're all heading out now May 24 15:02:25 wpwrak: from looking on the LCD i can't figure what's wrong with that, it seem to resume properly, then it sees usb, then it is syncing filesystem for suspend again. May 24 15:03:28 bumbl: please give me a resumee of the convention in one sentence May 24 15:04:25 bumbl: okay, lets say two May 24 15:04:56 PaulFertser: hmm, let me find that patch that did it for gta02 May 24 15:05:17 guys, shr-unstable dbus is borked, any ideas? May 24 15:07:44 wpwrak: ce6840da7184043a09dd57d4c201a32ef7b6c083 May 24 15:08:35 wpwrak: sure, it's in. May 24 15:08:38 aah, the wakelock. yes. May 24 15:08:39 wpwrak: Thanks a lot! May 24 15:08:42 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435 May 24 15:08:49 Screw fucking android! May 24 15:08:50 hmm, this ticket seems to be forgotten May 24 15:08:54 ;-)) May 24 15:09:27 android? May 24 15:10:18 does anybody know of a good way to install debian, prefferably just the basics, and build on that. None of the guides i've tried works. May 24 15:14:11 BluesLee: 1. i had a soccer tournamen yesterday. 2. i didn't have much time today so i only watched mickey's speech about fso 2.0 (the vala implementation) May 24 15:14:22 wpwrak: you finally catched the chance to spot me? May 24 15:14:24 s/tournamen/tournament/ May 24 15:14:27 ;p May 24 15:15:34 bumbl: i see May 24 15:15:39 so no news about the convention from my side May 24 15:15:43 bumbl: you lost the tournamnet May 24 15:15:52 BluesLee: actually we won ;p May 24 15:16:06 jonkristian: what guides did you read? May 24 15:16:15 bumbl: hobby? May 24 15:16:39 DocMobilizer: nope, never :( May 24 15:16:42 BluesLee: yep May 24 15:16:50 bumbl: okay ... May 24 15:17:08 10 teams a 6 players on a "funcourt" May 24 15:18:01 DocMobilizer: i'm pondering the idea if we should perhaps a gta02-core event at linuxtag. still need to see if this makes sense. maybe i can catch you there :) May 24 15:18:19 lindi-: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian May 24 15:18:34 i hope the convention was a good one and that there are fruitful results May 24 15:18:40 lindi-: I tried Manual Debian http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian#Build_your_own_armel_filesystem May 24 15:18:45 wpwrak: wher is the linuxtag this year? May 24 15:19:04 lindi-: but i couldn't boot it, I also tried Prebuilt Filesystem but the link doesn't work May 24 15:19:17 BluesLee: Berlin, in about one month May 24 15:19:44 okay, i should eat somethin May 24 15:19:46 bye May 24 15:19:59 june 24-27 May 24 15:21:27 jonkristian: how does it fail to boot? May 24 15:21:52 jonkristian: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner should be the one to follow May 24 15:22:27 lindi-: first of all, there wasn't a kernel suggestion in that guide, second, i tried several kernels, the one from om2008 and even hackable, but none of them could load modules. May 24 15:22:54 lindi-: i tried that script from shr, but it didn't work, just stopped after fdisk. May 24 15:23:37 jonkristian: debian comes with a kernel May 24 15:24:29 jonkristian: install.sh does apt-get $APT_OPTIONS install linux-image-2.6.28-openmoko-gta02 May 24 15:24:38 But I can try again:) Is there a way to make the script install to a certain partition, so that i can have /, /swap, and /home ? May 24 15:24:57 jonkristian: surely you can modify the script May 24 15:25:21 lindi-: Ok, i'll try and work with the script May 24 15:25:51 lindi-: would you recommend /swap partition, or a swapfile? May 24 15:26:23 jonkristian: both work probably equally well May 24 15:26:48 ok, thanks. May 24 15:26:52 jonkristian: but it's even better if you can save memory so that you don't need swap :) May 24 15:27:24 yeah, i wanted a bare bone debian install, and then build just the nessecary stuff ontop. May 24 15:27:44 jonkristian: i do so too, before the script even existed May 24 15:27:50 s/do/did/ May 24 15:27:53 does any of the openmoko-related projects (fso, shr, etc.) present at linuxtag ? May 24 15:28:05 i mean, have a booth May 24 15:29:00 lindi-: cool, i am interested in getting paroli on debian eventually, do you know if it's possible? May 24 15:29:13 jonkristian: paroli needs e17? May 24 15:29:30 yes, i think so May 24 15:29:55 jonkristian: that's highly experimental stuff which i'll rather avoid right now May 24 15:30:54 Ok, i think i also want to check out osmo, it looks really useable as a pim suite. May 24 15:31:24 lindi-: well, thanks for you suggestions, i will let you know when i get it working:) May 24 15:32:06 jonkristian: i'm using icewm. it has at least four-year track record for never crashing in my use :) May 24 15:36:58 lindi-: well icewm is bare minimum isn't it? May 24 15:38:45 re everybody ... May 24 15:38:58 same problem, go through the moko11 firmware :s May 24 15:39:34 for summary, i'm using fso-console image May 24 15:39:53 and when i try to ask the sim card if it needs a pin code May 24 15:39:58 it crashed with this error : May 24 15:40:10 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.Failed: Unhandled CME ERROR: SIM failure May 24 15:40:30 although with SHR it works perfectly ... any idea ? May 24 15:41:20 ST1: set up frameworkd to DEBUG loglevel and provide logs May 24 15:41:30 dos1 : oki May 24 15:43:30 lindi-: cool, i will try that:) btw, it would be awesome to have a tarball with the whole basic debian system so that people can just put that onto their sdcard:) May 24 15:46:54 dos1 : done... where can i put it ? May 24 15:50:04 should anyone can check my frameworkd log ? May 24 15:50:12 s/should/could/ May 24 15:51:54 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : sending 16 bytes: 'AT+CLCK="SC",2\r\n' May 24 15:51:54 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : _readyToRead: watch timeout = 257 May 24 15:51:54 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : got 6 bytes from: '\r\nOK\r\n' May 24 15:51:54 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : COMPLETED 'AT+CCWA=0' => ['OK'] May 24 15:51:57 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : _readyToSend: watch timeout = None May 24 15:52:00 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : sending 11 bytes: 'AT+CLIP=1\r\n' May 24 15:52:03 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : _readyToRead: watch timeout = 259 May 24 15:52:06 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : got 18 bytes from: '\r\n+CME ERROR: 13\r\n' May 24 15:52:09 2009.05.24 16:44:22 ogsmd.channel DEBUG : COMPLETED 'AT+CLCK="SC",2' => ['+CME ERROR: 13'] May 24 15:52:12 here is the log... May 24 15:54:08 ST1: Please don't flood! Use pastebin or similar for large text blocks May 24 15:54:32 Toaster`: Ooops . sorry May 24 15:54:54 CLIP? May 24 15:55:05 could it just not be supported by the provider? May 24 15:58:20 tmzt: are you talking to me ? May 24 15:59:27 somewhat May 24 15:59:36 can you use mickeyterm, etc. May 24 15:59:58 is there a CFUN before that? May 24 16:00:04 yes i can .. .but i'm not very familiar with , so a little of help will be very welcomed :D May 24 16:00:11 let me check May 24 16:01:54 no CFUN in the log May 24 16:02:12 and you requested gsm? May 24 16:02:34 i will pastebin my prog May 24 16:02:38 people are traveling now? May 24 16:05:20 http://pastebin.com/d1db90ea1 May 24 16:05:37 this is my source code May 24 16:10:34 tmzt : so ... ? :s May 24 16:11:37 look at ophonekitd May 24 16:11:39 jonkristian: it would not be awesome to have such a tarball May 24 16:11:46 it's a little hard to follow May 24 16:12:15 lindi-: because foreign dbootstrap works so well? May 24 16:12:16 bumbl: icewm supports menus, workspaces, clock, cpu usage monitor. it has man page :) May 24 16:12:26 tmzt: yep May 24 16:12:49 tmzt: and giving people binaries they can't rebuild is just bad May 24 16:13:04 tmzt: (and if rebuilding is easy then the tarball is not needed) May 24 16:16:41 tracfeed: Ticket #438 (problem gnome-config->dbus) updated May 24 16:16:59 is the unstable image currently ok? May 24 16:18:52 well May 24 16:18:57 Ainulindale: ping? May 24 16:40:02 lindi-: therefore it supports the bare minimum May 24 16:40:03 tracfeed: Ticket #475 (battery gadget, wrong charge level on GTA02 + latest shr-unstable) updated May 24 16:47:54 dos1: do you know a bit about .edc files? May 24 16:48:20 khiraly1: about nothing May 24 16:48:27 dos1: what is the *fastest* method to have a flag? May 24 16:48:29 hmm, ok May 24 16:48:51 I have a problem, that I have 0,3 sec delay, and would be nice to eliminate it May 24 16:48:54 ;) May 24 17:38:09 lindi-: why not? May 24 17:41:28 jonkristian: < lindi-> tmzt: and giving people binaries they can't rebuild is just bad May 24 17:41:37 jonkristian: maybe add "easily" there May 24 17:42:25 My Debian system is just as good as a tarball. I can't rebuild it easily after I built it. :) But at least everything works May 24 17:43:32 thrashold: that's why you don't suggest people that they should install their system by cloning your installation, right? May 24 17:44:04 I certainly don't. It's a pain in the ass. May 24 17:47:12 However, at least I can easily rebuild any part of it at any moment. And I needed to do that once today. With a tarball installation that would be hard. May 24 17:47:48 thrashold: i lost connection, were you talking to me? May 24 17:49:08 jonkristian: I said that my Debian system works as good as a tarball, because I built it manually, and I can't easily rebuild it when I choose. And having a tarball is even worse. :) May 24 17:50:38 I was thinking a tarball of the base system for people to build on, just extract to an sdcard, i can't see why this would not be good. If people would like too backup, they can just backup the card. The initial installation would even let people do this offline. May 24 17:51:12 s/too/to May 24 17:51:19 That's what a bootstrap script with a package list already does. May 24 17:52:04 the script has failed for me, 6 times, this is my 7th attempt, crossing fingers. May 24 17:52:10 jonkristian: you should report it May 24 17:52:24 jonkristian: running it again surely won't solve the problem May 24 17:53:11 lindi-: i have reported, i got no feedback whatsoever from #openmoko-debian , the script has gotten further now, with the same command, QI=TRUE ./install.sh all May 24 17:53:20 jonkristian: openmoko-debian is not the right place May 24 17:53:40 coudl've just been my internet messing up, it looks promising now though. May 24 17:53:48 jonkristian: pkg-fso-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org May 24 17:54:24 lindi-: ok, i will wait and see, i had trouble before, with fdisk, but i think that has been resolved from my part, can't remember what i did though:/ May 24 17:54:52 it is unpacking now, so i guess it has downloaded successfully. May 24 18:09:44 looks like things are going well, is there a flag i can use to specify the partition to install, or will it prepare the sdcard in any case? for example if i'd like to have one part for / and one for /home? May 24 18:10:15 jonkristian: i'd just read the script May 24 18:10:23 ok lindi- that you told me i could modify the script, i am just trying to see how all the flags work May 24 18:10:33 ok May 24 18:10:59 imho the script is trying to support way too many cases already :) May 24 18:12:19 Yes, DASH_BINSH i don't get, easy to change afterwards, but Would be nice to specify target and tell the script to not prep though:) May 24 18:13:03 http://rafb.net/p/TW5dpY42.html May 24 18:13:40 i have not requested an impossible situation:D lol May 24 18:14:30 ill use debian this time, instead of all May 24 18:15:33 googling for "zhone: Depends: python-edbus but it is not installable" finds the bug May 24 18:16:32 yeah, i see it. May 24 18:17:26 Guess i could've booted into debian and fixed it from there, but wasn't sure the install script was completely finished. May 24 18:25:51 jonkristian: i'm not using zhone or e17 so i'm immune to this problem May 24 18:26:08 :) May 24 18:26:43 i will go for icewm May 24 18:27:14 jonkristian: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula is the simple dialer I wrote and have been using for a long time May 24 18:27:43 lindi-: awesome, thanks, i will need it, also wanna look into osmo:) May 24 18:33:36 http://clayo.org/osmo/ May 24 18:33:50 screens at the bottom:) May 24 18:33:51 Osmo doesn't seem to sync with anything easily. May 24 18:34:03 It is very pretty when running on FR, though May 24 18:34:49 thrashold: running it on debian? May 24 18:34:53 Yep May 24 18:35:02 cool, doesn't it use opensync or something? May 24 18:35:13 ah, it's on the todo list May 24 18:35:25 No, it has import and export in contacts and/or calendar May 24 18:35:27 haven't look to closely on it, wanted to get debian up and running first. May 24 18:35:40 but I never found a suitable way to handle syncing between my PC May 24 18:35:46 and you can't dial a number from Osmo May 24 18:36:04 Whether you're using Zhone or shr-dialer. May 24 18:36:05 hm, good point, what else are you using? May 24 18:37:00 Erm, nothing. I use osmo for PIM, and manage my SIM seperately. I'm searching for the best way to move calendar and contacts from my PC to Osmo May 24 18:37:07 and keep the calendar in sync May 24 18:37:20 why not install osmo on your pc? May 24 18:37:37 and just sync from there, with rsync or something? May 24 18:38:50 I was planning on parsing it's files myself, or uploading data in appropriate format and importing from it's UI. But I'm too lazy to do either. :) May 24 18:39:44 jonkristian: i sent mail proposing making it optional to try to install zhone May 24 18:40:34 lindi-: ok, but zhone is installed only with the all flag, right? May 24 18:40:57 jonkristian: really? I thought it was in the same "group" as X? May 24 18:41:42 i don't really know May 24 18:42:47 i guess it's in the fso stage? May 24 18:43:11 nvmnd, i don't know. May 24 18:43:48 i am currently installing with the debian stage, i can take a look if zhone is available when it's done. May 24 18:43:51 it was in the script for installing debian on fr wasn't it? May 24 18:45:50 phew, basic debian system installed May 24 18:45:54 \o/ yay May 24 18:46:09 jonkristian: do you have programming/debugging skills? May 24 18:46:26 lindi-: no May 24 18:48:33 lindi-: well, depends what you mean about debugging, i am a php programmer, i come from slackware 6 years ago, so i know my way around compilation and debugging. May 24 18:49:02 jonkristian: ok, you might want to learn the basics of C May 24 18:49:32 jonkristian: and python. those should cover kernel, X and ogsmd :) May 24 18:49:38 all in good time here :) May 24 18:49:48 yeah, python seems fairly easy. May 24 18:50:11 just haven't gotten the time to sit down with it. May 24 18:50:31 jonkristian: i'm not very impressed about python, it seems to consume a lot of memory May 24 18:51:02 I've always had some sort of problem with python applications. May 24 18:53:18 hm, strange, i thought Qi firstly would try to boot the sdcard. May 24 18:53:43 it does May 24 18:54:15 hm, just rebooted, but it went right back into shr again. May 24 19:00:33 ok, the QI=TRUE flag is problematic. May 24 19:01:07 jonkristian: do you know how Qi works? May 24 19:04:21 depends on what you mean, i know it's a stripped down version of u-boot that only handles booting the system, it will look for a usable boot on sd first, however QI=true flag still created a separate boot partition. May 24 19:05:02 and so i suspect that was the reason it would not boot May 24 19:06:31 s/version of/replacement of May 24 19:10:01 hm, Note that a default Debian installation puts the kernel straight in the root of /dev/mmcblk0p1, not in a boot subdirectory, expecting u-boot to mount it as /boot. In order for Qi to recognise this, create a boot subdirectory with a symlink to the kernel. May 24 19:10:14 does this also apply if QI=true ? May 24 19:11:49 hi ya all May 24 19:12:53 for some reason i can't wifi to work on freerunner. dhcpcd timeouts on eth0 May 24 19:13:30 doxy2: what kernel exactly? May 24 19:14:36 lindi- : my own May 24 19:14:48 sources from openmoko kernel.git May 24 19:14:59 doxy2: which branch, which commit, which config? May 24 19:17:12 andy-tracking, commit from roughly a month back, customized config using gta02_moredrivers as base....okay, maybe i'm just makin this too hard :) May 24 19:17:56 doxy2: sounds like you hit the known bug. May 24 19:18:28 doxy2: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=wifi May 24 19:19:19 lindi- : okay, thanks for the info May 24 19:19:30 tracfeed: Ticket #475 (battery gadget, wrong charge level on GTA02 + latest shr-unstable) updated May 24 19:21:40 argh, this script just doesn't like me:/ May 24 19:21:45 E: Internal error: install May 24 19:23:59 pancakes, \o/ May 24 19:24:18 dammit, wish freerunner had hot-swappable sd-slot May 24 19:25:27 doxy2, I just wish it had 2 sd slots May 24 19:25:31 one how-swappable May 24 19:25:37 and about the second I don't care May 24 19:25:46 I don't mind keeping it where it's at atm. May 24 19:25:57 one for the system, the other for additional data... May 24 19:28:26 well, two usb-ports would be nice May 24 19:28:48 hell, a lotta things on it would be nice :D May 24 19:29:59 doxy2: we have two usb ports. one is just reserved for bluetooth :) May 24 19:30:20 lindi- : haw :( May 24 19:30:23 :) May 24 19:34:17 mwester: i thought i'd write a program to compare different clock sources on freerunner. are there any other clock sources than gps, system clock, rtc and calypso's rtc? May 24 19:39:29 lindi-: pcf50633 has a rtc, too May 24 19:45:33 larsc: aha, but is that what I read with cat /proc/driver/rtc? May 24 19:50:05 the first rtc found on your system. i guess it's the main processors May 24 19:50:52 ls /sys/class/rtc shows you all rtcs May 24 19:53:12 larsc: that only shows "rtc0" here. maybe i need to modprobe something? May 24 19:56:16 lindi-: /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/name should tell you whether it's from the s3c or pcf May 24 19:56:33 larsc: pcf50633-rtc May 24 19:58:10 larsc: "modprobe rtc-s3c" => "kernel: [103716.025000] S3C24XX RTC, (c) 2004,2006 Simtec Electronics" but "ls /sys/class/rtc" still shows only rtc0 May 24 19:58:35 maybe I need some module parameters? May 24 20:14:31 larsc: do you see the same effects? May 24 20:18:10 lindi-: yes, i just checked the source. the gta02 machine specification does not add the s3c rtc to its platform devices May 24 20:19:00 larsc: ah, would it still be possible to read it by hacking kernel or reading ioports directly? May 24 20:19:00 it's easy to add though May 24 20:19:08 just did it May 24 20:19:24 since then i'd have four time sources to compare May 24 20:19:43 i mean, five May 24 20:20:19 larsc: could you submit that as a patch to openmoko-kernel@? ;) imho extra time sources can't hurt May 24 20:23:19 lindi-: http://metafoo.de/gta02-s3c-rtc.patch May 24 20:26:44 http://rafb.net/p/Y3RZdC42.html May 24 20:27:02 larsc: thanks a lot. i'll test that and suggest it to be added May 24 20:27:57 testing stage reports no errors May 24 20:29:47 jonkristian: the wiki mentions that error May 24 20:29:56 jonkristian: you also find bug reports about cdebootstrap May 24 20:30:37 ok May 24 20:31:40 i wonder, lindi- , if i run the debian stage, that it will use the first partition on the card, if i do it with QI=true ofcourse. May 24 20:33:09 jonkristian: i have not reinstalled debian in 2009. i don't remember much about install.sh -- you really should talk with the mailing list May 24 20:33:21 the current installation has been working just fine :) May 24 20:33:44 okay:) well, that sounds good, i'd love to have something that works:D May 24 20:39:24 hm the s3c rtc is running way to fast May 24 20:40:24 larsc: hmm, maybe there's some way to tune it? May 24 20:49:05 mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory May 24 20:49:24 is there something like packages.debian.org for om2009 ? May 24 20:49:40 so where I could find in which package are this libXv.so.1 file May 24 20:55:26 hmm May 24 20:55:32 libxv May 24 20:55:49 ok, I dont find libmad.so.0 May 24 20:57:08 lindi-: hm, looks as if the rtc is not connected to a oscilator. so it's not usable May 24 20:59:19 a load of pre-dependency problems:/ May 24 20:59:44 jonkristian: yepp. could you type in a terminal this?: May 24 20:59:52 find / -name libmad.so.0 May 24 21:00:00 it should finish withing 30sec May 24 21:00:22 Couldn't make mmap of 25165824 bytes - mmap (22 Invalid argument) May 24 21:00:27 khiraly1: yes, sec. May 24 21:00:47 khiraly1: btw, i am currently on shr-unstable May 24 21:01:08 /usr/lib/ May 24 21:02:21 jonkristian: and now this: May 24 21:02:43 so this is what i found, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/135467-apt-get-update-error.html May 24 21:03:26 opkg search /usr/lib/libmad.so.0 May 24 21:03:52 it belongs to libmad0 May 24 21:10:27 thx May 24 21:10:42 np May 24 21:12:41 ~seen dos1 May 24 21:12:59 ~seen buzzbot May 24 21:13:05 heh May 24 21:25:49 larsc: oh May 24 21:36:45 home sweet home :) May 24 21:38:39 *sigh* May 24 21:45:21 mrmoku|away: could you rebuild the shr-settings ipk? the current one is broken May 24 21:46:20 mrmoku|away: will need another 2h until he might respond May 24 21:46:28 i think he's still on tour May 24 21:46:52 ahh, he has a longer drive home? May 24 21:47:28 well roundabout 6h May 24 21:47:38 ok, long but not too bad. May 24 21:48:12 and he had some nice company for the first 4h ;-) May 24 21:49:19 well at least I hope he enjoyed the company May 24 21:53:17 are there any videos or photos of F9N on web already? May 24 21:53:51 Some photos are up. May 24 21:53:56 No video yet though May 24 21:54:42 url? May 24 21:55:17 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/FSOSHRUDCON'09, At the bottom of the page May 24 21:56:52 Page FSOSHRUDCON'09, not found May 24 21:56:56 muhaha May 24 21:59:30 ? May 24 22:01:00 Ok, is the illume battery widget being screwy in shr-unstable a known thing? May 24 22:11:30 showing only 1/3 of actual charge is a known issue May 24 22:11:38 ok, just checking May 24 22:13:45 backscroll for PaulFertser telling about how to fix this ~10h ago May 24 22:14:00 in illime batmeter settings May 24 22:15:54 Toaster`: disable hald May 24 22:16:31 hi PaulFertser :-) May 24 22:16:36 PaulFertser: In the battery widget settings? May 24 22:20:28 DocScrutinizer: hey, i see you're at home already :) This weekend was great :) May 24 22:20:31 Toaster`: yep May 24 22:21:17 PaulFertser: yup :-) where are you now May 24 22:21:27 PaulFertser: Switch it to Internal? May 24 22:22:28 Toaster`: sure May 24 22:22:37 DocScrutinizer: at emdete's :) May 24 22:22:56 ahh, greetings from me May 24 22:25:17 Thanks PaulFertser. It's working now/ May 24 22:25:31 DocScrutinizer, you still can't open wiki page about fsoshr?) May 24 22:25:49 anyway, there just link to my photos May 24 22:25:50 http://picasaweb.google.com/maxposedon/FSOSHRUD09 May 24 22:25:55 no, link on wiki mainpage worked May 24 22:27:50 max_posedon: obviously you got an OK from my PR manager for the few ones showing me ;-D May 24 22:28:04 ))) May 24 22:28:44 btw, I'm from Belarus, we didn't care about licenses or similar stuff at all May 24 22:29:38 DocScrutinizer, did you tried that alchohol that I gaved you? May 24 22:30:12 doing that this very second, planned to do it now anyway May 24 22:30:56 before it test it - is it best when cold, or room temperature? May 24 22:31:46 little bit colder May 24 22:32:16 (then room) May 24 22:33:51 yay, tastes strong... interesting May 24 22:34:48 )) May 24 22:35:15 yep, I said you exUSSR prefer "hot/strang" drings May 24 22:35:24 *drinks* May 24 22:36:31 DocScrutinizer, be careful, or you will have headache at morning May 24 22:36:35 I like the scale on the side in the glass of bottle, from 1basi .. 9barb May 24 22:36:57 )) May 24 22:37:16 probably the maximum amount for one consumption ;-) May 24 22:37:53 yup, tastes like headache in bottle ;-D May 24 22:38:37 hmmmyam. will coold it a little May 24 22:43:31 I like it, thanks maxim for this nice bottle :-) May 24 22:44:56 you are welcome, your help with visa was very important too) May 24 22:51:57 debian install.sh will only work if specific stages are used, this worked for me, QI=true ./install.sh testing time format mount debian apt kernel May 24 23:00:50 should ssh'ing to the debian work by default after installing with the script, or do i have to edit interfaces? May 24 23:03:00 i recon the debian stage also installs ssh because the wiki says so, however i get no interfaces on my laptop when booting the fr. May 24 23:04:37 jonkristian: is g_ether in /etc/modules? May 24 23:04:40 jonkristian: on fr? May 24 23:05:34 lindi-: i actually have something reffering to g_ether during boot, unknown boot option i get. May 24 23:05:54 lindi-: i need to boot back into shr, i press the aux button ones to do that? May 24 23:06:07 jonkristian: according to Qi source yes May 24 23:06:18 ok, i will try, and see if it is May 24 23:11:23 hm, don't have an /etc/modules May 24 23:11:34 maybe not generated? May 24 23:12:34 sorry, was looking in the wrong place, hehe May 24 23:12:45 nah, that file is empty May 24 23:13:50 jonkristian: install.sh: echo " * Creating /etc/modules" May 24 23:14:20 sorry, i had the file, but it's empty May 24 23:14:29 i was looking in the wrong place at first. May 24 23:14:38 jonkristian: the all stage does this, nothing else does May 24 23:15:41 lindi-: thanks, should work now i think May 24 23:16:27 jonkristian: better read install.sh and see what else you missed May 24 23:17:03 looks like there are no users May 24 23:18:20 a root user must've been created, or am i wrong here? May 24 23:18:32 yeah i am reading install now May 24 23:20:27 jonkristian: yep, i just created my own user May 24 23:22:07 yeah, but root is created, right? May 24 23:22:31 just that i can't ssh, and it says (none) login: on the login screen. May 24 23:23:12 jonkristian: sure May 24 23:23:22 jonkristian: (none) means you have no hostname May 24 23:23:35 jonkristian: you can't ssh without g_ether :) May 24 23:23:38 ok May 24 23:23:42 yeah, i have g_ether added;) May 24 23:23:44 now away May 24 23:23:49 good night May 24 23:23:51 later, thanks:) May 24 23:25:09 already back to home mirko-paroli ? May 24 23:25:17 I just arrived May 24 23:33:01 mrmoku: welcome home :) May 24 23:33:37 ptitjes, hehe, thanks... vice versa May 24 23:33:43 :) May 24 23:38:27 hi mrmoku :-) May 24 23:38:53 ptitjes: at home ? May 24 23:38:58 yep May 24 23:39:03 :) May 24 23:39:12 arrived 20 minutes ago :) May 24 23:39:42 (but got to work to empty all the audio stuff from my car) May 24 23:39:43 DocScrutinizer, hey :) May 24 23:39:57 (coin) May 24 23:39:59 DocScrutinizer: you too ? May 24 23:40:02 héhéhé May 24 23:40:13 so everybody is back home :) May 24 23:40:19 yup May 24 23:40:46 mrmoku: Could you rebuild the shr-settings ipk? the current one seems to be broken May 24 23:40:55 exceot our "eastern folks" and the one without home May 24 23:41:04 DocScrutinizer: the one without home? May 24 23:41:05 Toaster`, already building the index :) May 24 23:41:10 guys must go to bed May 24 23:41:17 Cool, thanks! May 24 23:41:17 have a nice night all May 24 23:41:24 mirko May 24 23:41:31 night ptitjes May 24 23:41:58 Toaster`, ok, hit the feed May 24 23:42:29 ptitjes, everybody?) May 24 23:42:31 anyway... me too needs some sleep now :P May 24 23:42:48 :) May 24 23:42:50 I'll be at home only at tuestay evening) May 24 23:42:55 arf May 24 23:43:04 oulala May 24 23:43:10 Meh max_posedon :-) May 24 23:43:12 night May 24 23:43:19 max_posedon, nice trip... and log some cells :P May 24 23:43:52 As for myself I should sleep but I can't May 24 23:44:07 I wonder whether roh already at berlin - guess no May 24 23:44:20 Ainulindale, raster in your bed? ;) May 24 23:44:23 DocScrutinizer: yeah we got here at half past 12 May 24 23:44:33 hi all btw :) May 24 23:44:46 mirko-paroli, hi May 24 23:44:52 aaah the man without home. Hi mirko :-) May 24 23:45:04 mrmoku: nah he managed to find an hotel room May 24 23:45:28 Ainulindale, you should have cleaned your appartment better then ;) May 24 23:45:48 mrmoku, I already commited near 2'000 points, may be later commit same amount too) May 24 23:45:51 Well it was clean May 24 23:46:01 should have invited PaulFertser for cleaning dishes ;-D May 24 23:46:20 hahaha :) May 24 23:46:23 Well gladly he would have been able to tell me how to pronounce that freaking russian letter May 24 23:46:33 I forgot about that altogether May 24 23:46:42 And max_posedon was mocking me May 24 23:46:50 hehe May 24 23:47:16 oops, yep, may be) May 24 23:47:23 nastrovie max_posedon ! :-) May 24 23:47:33 I almost developed my custom scenarii in the car but was caught up in a discussion about the fact I hate my current job May 24 23:48:04 meh, me too :)) May 24 23:48:19 Ainulindale: just subscribed to shr-devel May 24 23:48:26 mirko-paroli: Good :-) May 24 23:49:17 DocScrutinizer: well I slowly came to the realization that security engineering wasn't as sexy as I thought it would be May 24 23:49:24 It's mainly development with fancy words May 24 23:49:29 (at least in my field) May 24 23:50:36 HMM, vacant hw-guy isn't particularly more funny May 24 23:51:02 Well yeah but at least you worked in an (almost) open source company in a field which was of interest to you :-) May 24 23:51:20 workED May 24 23:51:22 But heh, I'm too young to claim jobs I might be interested in anyway May 24 23:52:44 k I'll head to bed as well May 24 23:52:48 actually since today I'm pretty convinced there's no more jobs in open phone business anyway :-/ May 24 23:52:48 good night everyone May 24 23:52:55 Have a nice sleep May 24 23:52:58 night mirko May 24 23:52:59 thx May 24 23:53:03 you too eventually May 24 23:53:14 you finally me too... good night all :) May 24 23:53:33 night mrmoku|away May 24 23:57:29 Sheesh, such a depressing situation May 24 23:58:58 Ainulindale: what's wrong? May 24 23:59:06 This job thing May 24 23:59:10 I'm just bored May 24 23:59:15 I don't like to be bored with what I do May 24 23:59:31 a good point May 25 00:00:03 Plus I'm supposed to use a crappy tool delivered by a crappy french company to do a crappy project May 25 00:00:13 So it's not that motivating May 25 00:00:58 either quit or make the challenge out of doing the job despite of all this May 25 00:01:20 Well I'd rather have an alternate job offer actually interesting before quitting May 25 00:01:24 But yeah I'm considering that May 25 00:02:14 But you know what it is when you have the feeling you just did all you were able to do in one field and nothing will give you intellectual pleasure anymore in this particular field May 25 00:02:25 It's annoying May 25 00:02:35 sometimes a crappy tool might be special fun, to show you can do the job even with such crap May 25 00:02:45 Well fact is, I already did that with oracle crap May 25 00:03:02 I even had to convince an Oracle engineer to let me have a look at sources to prove there was a bug in their crappy APIs May 25 00:03:15 hmm, so thats cold as well then May 25 00:03:29 I built use cases, proved I was right and I spent 6 months fighting their support team to fix that damn thing May 25 00:03:36 And just for your own fun May 25 00:03:43 Their software wasn't supporting concurrent accesses May 25 00:03:59 Connect with user 1, connect with user 2, do some stuff as user 1, it's in fact using user 2 rights May 25 00:04:01 ouch May 25 00:04:04 Good thing for a security software May 25 00:04:12 (with SOX compliance....) May 25 00:05:00 a really nice vulnerability May 25 00:05:38 Yeah fun to debug but then the field is boring (IAM, that is) May 25 00:05:43 Okay it's booming & all May 25 00:05:55 But well May 25 00:06:06 I don't care about that if it holds no interest over my convoluted brain May 25 00:08:58 :) May 25 00:09:10 That or I'm a slacker **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 25 02:59:57 2009