**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 25 02:59:57 2009 Jun 25 05:14:14 [Rui]: ping Jun 25 05:14:42 [Rui]: FAILED TO SAX FRIENDS: 77 Jun 25 05:24:35 DocScrutinizer: missing tango tiles case: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/050132.html Jun 25 05:24:50 oooh Jun 25 05:25:25 Another reason to for Tango & fix stuff (well.. or just stop using it..) Jun 25 05:26:56 btw omgps seems to work nice Jun 25 05:27:29 PaulFertser: hmm, rather exactly what I did, though IIRC *fucking* busybox doesn't know -exec parameter Jun 25 05:27:35 why not using navit? Jun 25 05:28:26 Q-Master: btw, any news about obtaining a gta01? Jun 25 05:28:43 PaulFertser: not yet. and you? Jun 25 05:29:19 Q-Master: my INBOX doesn't mention anything. Jun 25 05:29:29 PaulFertser: 8( Jun 25 05:29:43 Q-Master: navit was very hard to use until recently. I've heard somebody's got it to work. Jun 25 05:29:45 errr, buy gta01? Jun 25 05:30:14 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i'm considering buying gta01 for some acceptable price here in Moscow. Jun 25 05:30:26 Yes, navit has some speed-up thing included now so it's ~usable (but I don't like the way the map is rendered, it's just not as clean as the mapnik OSM tiles..) Jun 25 05:30:32 PaulFertser: hm. I've used it since om2008.9 Jun 25 05:31:25 navit has a great feature of using the predloaded vectorized maps. Jun 25 05:31:41 PaulFertser: found one in my shelf ;-) So at least for emergency I could test sth Jun 25 05:31:54 I don't like dloading something somewhere, where there is no GPRS at all Jun 25 05:32:10 * Q-Master lacks for a new FBReader 8( Jun 25 05:35:06 DocScrutinizer: i was going to hook it up to an ad-hoc serial console, dmm, try to find current leaks etc. Jun 25 05:35:22 aah Jun 25 05:35:43 DocScrutinizer: at least those 0R could be handy to find where current goes :) Jun 25 05:35:45 you should mail Andy for that Jun 25 05:36:14 (0R) that's why there were any fist instance Jun 25 05:36:42 well, most of them Jun 25 05:39:13 DocScrutinizer: good idea btw, i'm sure he's not and will never use a gta01 he got. Jun 25 05:39:29 OTOH international shipping is slow and customs are sometimes nasty. Jun 25 05:40:25 Q-Master: i'm almost sure there's about ~5 gta01 in russia currently unused. Probably i need someone to write about it on LOR forum... Jun 25 05:40:27 PaulFertser: I thought more of asking him about his lots of experience with gta01 Jun 25 05:40:56 DocScrutinizer: if he knew what tweaks are needed, he'd already implemented them and written down somewhere. Jun 25 05:41:06 though I could imagine he might give away 01 as well Jun 25 05:41:51 nah, he didn't care about hw-fixes for gta01. He used all findings for improving gta02 Jun 25 05:42:01 PaulFertser: If the price will be less than 10000rur (~300$) everything'll be ok with customs Jun 25 05:42:41 lol, gta01 for >300 bucks Jun 25 05:43:40 I'd not even give it away for twice as much ;-) Jun 25 05:43:46 Q-Master: except that that's a radiotransmitter not certified for use in Russia (and no, FCE certificate is not enough). Jun 25 05:45:00 PaulFertser: so what? I've bought my freerunner from .se Jun 25 05:45:37 PaulFertser: duh, 01 has no cert for GUS? Jun 25 05:46:11 Q-Master: i just lack experience in that kind of stuff. I know that it's illegal (at least it looks like and you know that for our authorities that's usually enough) and therefore i might or might not have problems. Jun 25 05:47:06 DocScrutinizer: i don't think gta02 has it either. For rus certification one needs to contact some special agency directly and pay an undisclosed amount of money. Jun 25 05:47:22 PaulFertser: I doubt that you'll have. There are many ppl who buy HTC googlephones here from e-bay and they're passing through customs easily AFAIK Jun 25 05:48:39 lol, I just notice I used a 850 device for 2 month as well, not only my friend did ;-P Jun 25 05:50:15 PaulFertser: customs would really scratch their heads if you try to tell them Neo is a *phone* :-D Jun 25 05:50:27 DocScrutinizer: i think there's about 20 850 devices in russia as well but i've not seen any conclusive reports they work here. :-/ Jun 25 05:51:32 well my 1800 provider worked great, I didn't even notice Jun 25 05:51:47 :D Jun 25 05:52:40 but now I understand why I had those connectivity drops while traveling highway e.g. to F9N. I'd need to roam to 900 occasionally then Jun 25 05:52:42 [Rui]: please private msg me when you get back online, thanks! Jun 25 06:05:01 Ok, gtg, need to illegally obtain a certificate that my car is technically ok and i can use it on the roads. cul Jun 25 06:05:24 8)) Jun 25 06:05:35 PaulFertser: lucky buying. 8) Jun 25 06:05:47 PaulFertser, ebay? Jun 25 06:07:47 playya_: nah, local supply with fixed price. Jun 25 06:18:57 grrr, A7 has nasty scratch on switch-on/off. A6 was quiet Jun 25 06:19:44 hmm, maybe I should update uBoot Jun 25 06:20:23 DocScrutinizer: spk apm? Jun 25 06:20:26 DocScrutinizer: spk amp? Jun 25 06:20:31 yup Jun 25 06:21:13 I just mute it for suspend Jun 25 06:22:13 suspend is ok, but boot and shutdown has crunch Jun 25 06:23:05 BTW, I've tried to run ScummVM and didn't hear any sound from it? WTF? Jun 25 06:24:28 alsactl restore -f stereoout.state Jun 25 06:25:57 DocScrutinizer: anything else - sounds ok, only ScummVM stays silent Jun 25 06:26:23 hmm, no. should work Jun 25 06:26:50 ramp up pcm volume Jun 25 06:27:59 of course the app needs to use correct audio output dev Jun 25 06:28:13 DocScrutinizer: just exited the scummvm and started boxar. It played ok. 8( Jun 25 06:30:18 DocScrutinizer: what scummvm version are you using? Jun 25 06:30:39 me??? no idea what scumvm is at all Jun 25 06:32:03 scummvm is a amulator for the old lucas arts games Jun 25 06:33:30 I suggest to check its audio settings Jun 25 06:34:41 either use correct alsa audio dev, or use aoss wrapper for obsolete apps using /dev/dsp Jun 25 06:34:44 also it is sometimes wrong with cursor positioning... 8( Jun 25 06:42:31 mrmoku|away: Do we use a connman anyhow now? Jun 25 06:47:26 subsystem opimd took 58.82 seconds to startup Jun 25 06:47:30 why???? Jun 25 06:49:07 a lot of messages? Jun 25 06:50:20 Q-Master, check yourself mdbus -s | grep connman Jun 25 06:51:17 playya_: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Jun 25 06:51:17 Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Jun 25 06:51:22 thats all Jun 25 06:51:23 8) Jun 25 06:51:30 2>/dev/null Jun 25 06:52:08 you have to read between the lines young padawan Jun 25 06:53:00 mdbus -s org.moblin.connman /dev_0012cf7421ef -r org.moblin.co Jun 25 06:53:00 nnman.Device.GetProperties 2>/dev/null tells me i have a eth0 but no usb0 Jun 25 06:54:23 so, why the hell scummvm can't open an audio device now? Jun 25 06:59:15 tracfeed: Ticket #530 (GPS doesn't work in SHR unstable) updated Jun 25 08:10:04 mrmoku|away: do we have a libtool for SHR? Jun 25 08:10:11 i see Jun 25 08:19:40 where can I find opim-notifier? Jun 25 08:36:36 good morning Jun 25 08:36:43 morning ptitjes Jun 25 08:37:53 how are you mickey|linuxtag Jun 25 08:37:55 ? Jun 25 08:38:08 good, working on finishing fsodeviced Jun 25 08:39:10 wrapping my head around libasound Jun 25 08:39:23 how did your gig work out? Jun 25 08:45:09 cool Jun 25 08:45:44 audio device is the last one you have to finish ? Jun 25 08:46:00 you should had and s to gig :) Jun 25 08:46:15 but they went well Jun 25 08:47:14 (and very well if you compare with the one of some another colleagues) Jun 25 08:47:18 :) Jun 25 08:47:32 mickey|linuxtag: I'll be back on tracks next week Jun 25 08:49:58 sounds good, take your time Jun 25 08:50:26 PaulFertser: sorry for my memory, remind me plz what capacitor do I need for deep sleep fix? Jun 25 08:50:45 yeah take your time it's like we're on holidays :-p Jun 25 08:59:20 Ainulindale: grrrrrrr;) Jun 25 08:59:50 Ainulindale: dbus activation Jun 25 09:00:02 Ainulindale: I caught that on the backlog Jun 25 09:00:10 Ainulindale: I did not know that before Jun 25 09:00:20 Ainulindale: but I'm convinced we have to use that Jun 25 09:00:57 see you are not on holidays :) Jun 25 09:01:18 yeah you are always convinced that we should use this or that Jun 25 09:01:26 there's a technical suggestion procedure now Jun 25 09:01:27 so go ahead Jun 25 09:01:48 yeah I will propose that next week Jun 25 09:02:14 how are you btw ? Jun 25 09:02:23 Fine Jun 25 09:02:29 A bit tired by all the stuff I have to do Jun 25 09:02:45 With the article writing, I had a meeting for an event monday, meetings the two last days Jun 25 09:02:54 Oh by the way you should have a look in Pas Sage en Seine Jun 25 09:03:00 Hacking event with artistic involvement Jun 25 09:03:06 They might even need sound engineers Jun 25 09:03:12 (sponsored by île de france & bearstech) Jun 25 09:03:39 As for dbus activation ptitjes Jun 25 09:03:46 It's of no use if we want to preload screens for instance Jun 25 09:03:52 And that's why I never raised the subject Jun 25 09:04:04 The main use is to reload on crashes I'd say but that's about it Jun 25 09:05:29 Ainulindale: yeah that is the idea Jun 25 09:05:51 Yeah but that's a minor thing for the time being Jun 25 09:05:52 sure it's useful Jun 25 09:05:56 but if we don't have features Jun 25 09:06:03 it's of no use to reload on crashes Jun 25 09:06:08 Ainulindale: and to replace the X process launch by a simple script involving a dbus call to ophonekitd Jun 25 09:06:17 by the way I'm still waiting for reaction on the dbusification thread =) Jun 25 09:06:26 Ainulindale: from me too ? Jun 25 09:06:37 well I was waiting for summary too Jun 25 09:06:45 IIRC Deubeuliou worked on that Jun 25 09:07:01 I will comment on the summary Jun 25 09:07:19 Ok ! Jun 25 09:07:21 Deubeuliou: is your summary going ahead ? Jun 25 09:08:09 alphaone: hello Jun 25 09:08:22 hey ptitjes Jun 25 09:08:29 When are the streams online? Jun 25 09:08:57 Ainulindale: did you get the streams from Deubeuliou ? Jun 25 09:09:13 He put them online IIRC Jun 25 09:09:15 alphaone: I do not have the hand on them :( Jun 25 09:10:00 Ainulindale: do you know the links, because they are not on the F9N wiki page Jun 25 09:10:24 alphaone: do you remember the query I made you some days ago ? ;) Jun 25 09:11:13 ptitjes: I don't Jun 25 09:11:22 ptitjes: err, query? Jun 25 09:11:43 alphaone: spare Jun 25 09:11:44 :) Jun 25 09:15:15 alphaone, mickey|linuxtag: btw do you have any news of the support for MSM7 ? Jun 25 09:23:37 Hi all, i was wondering how do i switch all applications to use software_16 engine in SHR? Jun 25 09:24:29 playya_: how is your ObjectPath/Object substitution implementation ? Jun 25 09:24:41 stucks :( Jun 25 09:24:48 :( Jun 25 09:25:04 the problem is that the case is handled somewhere else Jun 25 09:25:21 playya_: I'll take the token back next week, don't worry Jun 25 09:26:04 and i thinkt that the parsers ccode genertors are in the wrong order Jun 25 09:26:23 s parsers parsers/ Jun 25 09:26:34 hummmm don't get you here ? Jun 25 09:26:47 what are the parsers ccode generators ?$ Jun 25 09:27:30 vala handles the general case first and you have to add a exception to continue to the special case Jun 25 09:28:24 thats what you are doing with the base.visit_cast_expression Jun 25 09:28:29 do you have some code accessible ? Jun 25 09:28:56 i can paste a small diff, but its never reached Jun 25 09:29:04 ah. and another problem Jun 25 09:29:36 how can i figure out that object is a ObjectPath or DBusProxy? Jun 25 09:35:11 ptitjes: msm7 showstopper is audio Jun 25 09:35:20 android apparantly has a binary-only library that handles all audio Jun 25 09:35:24 we have to reinvent all of that Jun 25 09:36:20 wow reverse-engineering ? Jun 25 09:36:33 is this not in alsa ? Jun 25 09:36:47 yes Jun 25 09:36:48 no alsa Jun 25 09:37:10 ~lart google for reinventing audio Jun 25 09:37:10 * bzzbot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down google's throat until google puts on 150lbs for reinventing audio Jun 25 09:37:24 :) Jun 25 09:58:40 mickey|linuxtag: did someone try a contact to qualcomm ? Jun 25 09:59:53 hehe Jun 25 10:00:05 the queen of america is more responsible than qualcomm Jun 25 10:00:11 err Jun 25 10:00:12 holy shit, my shr-u is upgrading since 2 hours -_- Jun 25 10:00:14 s/america/england/ Jun 25 10:00:26 qualcomm has no interest whatsoever to support hackers Jun 25 10:00:49 :( Jun 25 10:01:18 agg1n: it might just hang due to opkg consuming too much memory :( Jun 25 10:01:19 tracfeed: Ticket #530 (GPS doesn't work in SHR unstable) updated Jun 25 10:02:17 mrmoku: no there is progress (output), i use your script :) Jun 25 10:02:34 ahh, ok :) Jun 25 10:03:20 mickey|linuxtag: btw. after upgrading fsousaged it just started to work :) Jun 25 10:05:16 mrmoku: excellent ;) Jun 25 10:05:18 tracfeed: Ticket #530 (GPS doesn't work in SHR unstable) updated Jun 25 10:08:07 hummm Xperia X1 is also based on MSM7 Jun 25 10:09:48 that SOC is crazy (dual ARM, dual DSP) Jun 25 10:10:01 yep Jun 25 10:10:07 xperia is very similar to raph100 Jun 25 10:10:10 (HTC Touch Pro) Jun 25 10:10:32 missing: charging, audio, bluetooth, wifi, suspend/resume, powermanagement Jun 25 10:10:32 is raph100 a code name ? Jun 25 10:10:36 yep Jun 25 10:10:48 so raph200 is the pro2 ? Jun 25 10:10:49 :) Jun 25 10:11:06 probably not Jun 25 10:11:10 raph800 is the cdma version iirc Jun 25 10:12:10 mickey|linuxtag: but you told audio is the show stopper Jun 25 10:12:16 yes Jun 25 10:12:20 audio is the show stopper Jun 25 10:12:24 does this mean that we have code in android for the rest ? Jun 25 10:12:32 no Jun 25 10:12:32 charging, bluetooth... Jun 25 10:12:42 audio is the show stopper for creating an image to gain more interested folks Jun 25 10:12:49 haaa Jun 25 10:12:54 if we can show that we can do phone calls and data calls Jun 25 10:12:56 oh my g... Jun 25 10:12:59 then more people will be interested Jun 25 10:13:05 so we can tackle the rest of the things Jun 25 10:13:15 if we can't even show phone calls Jun 25 10:13:22 would you like I make a request on alsa-devel ? Jun 25 10:13:22 people will just lough about us and move elsewhere Jun 25 10:13:29 ptitjes: sure, go for it Jun 25 10:16:52 mickey|linuxtag: can you tell me whether we can support the modem ? Jun 25 10:22:09 yes Jun 25 10:22:12 modem is fully supported Jun 25 10:22:21 FSO supports umts and voice Jun 25 10:22:34 in fact the Touch Pro has superseded my neo as my data dongle Jun 25 10:22:44 :) Jun 25 10:24:03 nice Jun 25 10:24:18 mickey|linuxtag: did you try the touch pro2 ? Jun 25 10:24:38 no Jun 25 10:24:42 the keyboard is bad Jun 25 10:24:48 oh really ? Jun 25 10:24:49 they got rid of the tab key Jun 25 10:24:53 and changed the layout Jun 25 10:25:02 they say the layout is better Jun 25 10:25:08 of course they say that :) Jun 25 10:25:10 that's marketing Jun 25 10:25:21 good thing is you can have it stand on the table like a tiny laptop though Jun 25 10:25:23 I mean reviews say it is better Jun 25 10:25:47 do you really need the tab key ? Jun 25 10:26:02 depends on your use case Jun 25 10:26:09 system administrator's tool == tab key Jun 25 10:26:19 i reckon this is a rare use case Jun 25 10:26:49 mickey|linuxtag: so do you already run FSO on the touch pro (data dongle) ? Jun 25 10:27:02 correct Jun 25 10:27:08 ohoh Jun 25 10:27:09 i run a console image with FSO middleware Jun 25 10:27:30 so no X ? Jun 25 10:27:34 no X Jun 25 10:27:35 crsc/me just finished an openstreetmap presentation to show to the cartography institute at the ETH, Zurich. Pretty cool opportunity Jun 25 10:27:36 but it should work Jun 25 10:27:38 so they say Jun 25 10:27:38 of graphics may run on it Jun 25 10:27:40 oki Jun 25 10:27:40 oops Jun 25 10:27:50 yo spaetz , good work Jun 25 10:28:07 they are seriously interested in that now Jun 25 10:29:57 grrrrrrrr they only have the touch pro at my operator (SFR) Jun 25 10:30:14 they have diamond2 but no pro2 Jun 25 10:30:28 well Jun 25 10:30:31 the pro2 is very new Jun 25 10:30:34 give them some weeks Jun 25 10:31:07 and even with my fidelity points and a re-engadment Jun 25 10:31:24 they request 369€ for the touch pro Jun 25 10:31:24 :( Jun 25 10:31:55 this is more expensive than a neo without any subscription !!!! Jun 25 10:38:13 bummer Jun 25 10:38:16 YAY Jun 25 10:38:23 my scenario switching code works Jun 25 10:38:25 * mickey|linuxtag dances a jig Jun 25 10:38:47 it's a piece of cake marking the main volume control for every scenario now and exporting this through dbus Jun 25 10:39:00 just need to measure how many milliseconds a scenario switch takes now Jun 25 10:39:03 :D Jun 25 10:39:22 héhéhé Jun 25 10:39:37 it's mucho faster than alsactl Jun 25 10:39:55 mickey|linuxtag: don't you have any acknoledgment about the real change ? Jun 25 10:40:03 When I'm trying to compile e-wm-menu-shr, I always get an gzip broken pipe error. How can I get rid of this error? Jun 25 10:40:08 then you could mutex on that condition Jun 25 10:40:14 ptitjes: "real change?" Jun 25 10:40:26 switch finished Jun 25 10:40:31 ah Jun 25 10:41:37 well, we can now do lots of subtle improvements Jun 25 10:41:42 now that we have full control Jun 25 10:41:47 can't wait to use doc#s work Jun 25 10:41:54 so that we only change the controls necessary for the audio path Jun 25 10:42:02 that will make it even faster Jun 25 10:42:09 did i mention that playing wav's also rocks now? Jun 25 10:42:16 * mickey|linuxtag hugs libcanberra Jun 25 10:42:25 héhéhé Jun 25 10:42:26 cool Jun 25 10:42:38 ok, enough praise, now goes the bugfixing and testing phase Jun 25 10:42:53 mickey|linuxtag: ETA so that we can switch on our side ? Jun 25 10:43:21 if all goes well, one week from now Jun 25 10:43:29 we're going to release ms5.5 Jun 25 10:43:36 then i will do tests with substituting odeviced Jun 25 10:43:43 and if that's reasonable stable, you can switch Jun 25 10:43:46 one or two weeks Jun 25 10:43:53 :D Jun 25 10:43:55 yahoo Jun 25 10:46:31 yay Jun 25 11:13:08 raster, have a minute? Jun 25 11:20:07 Version 0.13.0 of CodeInvestigator, a tracing tool for Python, has been announced. Jun 25 11:20:16 mmh, seems interesting Jun 25 11:21:07 not a profiler though... Jun 25 11:33:15 ptitjes: hi Jun 25 11:33:51 I had exams running. but now, there are all done and I expect the summary to be finished today Jun 25 11:36:04 heyho Jun 25 11:42:23 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r70d4c8e8bbb6 10fso-monitord/src/device.vala: Ported missing FSO.Device to fso-glib Jun 25 11:42:24 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r699970f4ea69 10fso-monitord/src/framework.vala: Add member DBus.Object for Framework Jun 25 11:42:27 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rbd11051dc5bf 10fso-monitord/src/ (gsm.vala monitor.vala): Jun 25 11:42:27 freesmartphone.org: Ported FSO.GSM.* to fso-glib Jun 25 11:42:27 freesmartphone.org: Removed FSO.GSM.Phone because it is not in the specs Jun 25 12:17:00 mickey|linuxtag: this guy seems to know a lot about the Touch Pro : http://www.chainfire.eu/ Jun 25 12:17:42 it seems he squats #xda-devs Jun 25 12:30:21 hmm xda-devs? Jun 25 12:30:28 i thought all of those guys were in #htc-linux Jun 25 12:31:28 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r8409e3b1606d 10fso-monitord/src/phone.vala: Ported FSO.Phone to fso-glib Jun 25 12:31:31 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r713c316c3a21 10fso-monitord/src/preferences.vala: Ported FSO.Preferences to fso-glib Jun 25 12:31:31 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rf45da3d4a12f 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: Ported FSO.Usage to FSO.Usage Jun 25 12:31:33 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rd97ee25ece44 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Removed unused object from System Jun 25 12:31:47 mickey|linuxtag: so how close are the anti-vendors getting to be real competitors ? Jun 25 12:35:01 mickey|linuxtag: it seems those are WM developers Jun 25 12:35:28 but not working for M$ Jun 25 12:35:50 and designing drivers anyway, so they could bring interesting informationq Jun 25 12:35:57 s/nq/ns/ Jun 25 12:35:57 ptitjes meant: and designing drivers anyway, so they could bring interesting informations Jun 25 12:36:29 wpwrak: so close, yet so far Jun 25 12:36:54 wpwrak: the htcs are missing a lot, openezx is almost there, but they changed mission Jun 25 12:37:16 oh, what was the mission change ? Jun 25 12:37:26 "bring everything into mainline" Jun 25 12:37:35 which is cool and such Jun 25 12:37:45 but doesn#t help finishing a well rounded system Jun 25 12:37:48 well Jun 25 12:37:49 it does Jun 25 12:37:51 but not shortly Jun 25 12:37:57 hard to express that Jun 25 12:37:59 it's not a bad idea to do this early. otherwise you'll live through hell ... Jun 25 12:38:07 well Jun 25 12:38:08 "early" Jun 25 12:38:14 like... 4 years after the project started :D Jun 25 12:38:16 yeah :) Jun 25 12:38:23 and we never delivered anything usable Jun 25 12:38:29 some weeks we were quite close Jun 25 12:38:33 (ago) Jun 25 12:38:38 *shrug* Jun 25 12:38:42 as early as you your inner pig-dog lets you ;-) Jun 25 12:38:46 s/you// Jun 25 12:38:47 wpwrak meant: as early as your inner pig-dog lets you ;-) Jun 25 12:39:12 all in all it's still quite depressing Jun 25 12:39:37 not delivering anything usable is bad of course ... not an uncommon phenomenon, though. once all the "interesting" problems are solves, nobody is interested in doing the remaining janitorial work Jun 25 12:39:55 mickey|linuxtag: the #htc-linux is overcrowded Jun 25 12:40:01 who are all those guys ? Jun 25 12:40:21 isn't there one that has skills to build up an alsa driver ? Jun 25 12:40:52 hardly Jun 25 12:40:55 it's a major task Jun 25 12:40:58 mickey|linuxtag: ah well, soon we'll have gta02-core that will make everything better :) Jun 25 12:41:07 first they have to reverse-engineer the RPC protocol Jun 25 12:41:12 baseband handles all audio Jun 25 12:41:22 so we can only talk through some wired command language Jun 25 12:41:35 wpwrak: doubtfully Jun 25 12:41:41 wpwrak: although i wish you the best, of course Jun 25 12:43:00 mickey|linuxtag, do you need string <-> enum marshelling in your code? Jun 25 12:43:09 mickey|linuxtag: doesn't any of us know someone from google ? Jun 25 12:43:51 probably chris de bona would be a good start Jun 25 12:43:52 * ptitjes is looking for any way of action ;) Jun 25 12:44:05 ptitjes, you misunderstood that... google knows everything about us ;) Jun 25 12:44:06 he is in charge of open source stuff at google Jun 25 12:44:10 * spaetz spanks evil google Jun 25 12:44:21 mrmoku: héhé Jun 25 12:44:53 tig|: do you know him personally ? does anyone here do ? Jun 25 12:45:01 maybe someone should post a link to wikileaks in the e.g. android dev forum Jun 25 12:45:02 mickey|linuxtag: thanks :) it's actually going quite well. there are even ideas for larger quantities already. but we'll see. Jun 25 12:45:02 tig|: google became so big, I doubt there is one guy now who could decide all things OSS in google for all departments Jun 25 12:45:08 not personally met him once at a conference Jun 25 12:45:22 ptitjes: I met him at a conference. nice guy Jun 25 12:45:35 spaetz: he is the open source program manager Jun 25 12:45:58 so who feels like approaching him to talk to him about our problems with MSM7's audio subsytem ? Jun 25 12:46:09 tig|: I know Jun 25 12:46:27 spaetz: apologies Jun 25 12:46:29 still don't think he would be able to make calls in the android corner Jun 25 12:46:36 tig|: np :) Jun 25 12:47:03 he certainly doesn't in the maps department... Jun 25 12:48:37 if i meet hin @ froscon i start a drinking contest with him. the commitment: free android drivers Jun 25 12:48:39 ok an answer on the alsa-devel says google have a kernel team Jun 25 12:48:50 nobody knows someone from there ? Jun 25 12:49:13 playya_: i'd love to have string <-> enum marshalling, yes Jun 25 12:49:31 ptitjes: even if we knew someone, do not forget the power of NDAs Jun 25 12:49:31 they could just add log line in their binaries to add a logging of the commands sent to the MSM7 Jun 25 12:49:39 here comes the problem Jun 25 12:49:42 that would be really sufficient to reverse engeeneer ;) Jun 25 12:49:45 it's not 100% the same chip Jun 25 12:49:50 the command languages vary Jun 25 12:50:03 with baseband firmware and chip Jun 25 12:50:28 ok gtg Jun 25 12:50:30 wpwrak: which kind of cases will you have? Jun 25 12:50:33 cu guys Jun 25 12:51:01 cu ptitjes Jun 25 12:51:11 mickey|linuxtag: we should set up a number of fake companies with some scapegoats who then sign NDAs and put the stuff straight away on bittorrent. there's an army of people with very shallow pockets out there who should derive great pleasure from being able to screw "the man" :) Jun 25 12:51:14 look at this piece of code for now: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=fso-monitord.git;a=blob;f=src/logger.vala;h=2dfd6fbc3b3856e9e124eea5d5ea7002404ee5fa;hb=d97ee25ece44edc2661854ac27a89dfce99bfacf#l65 Jun 25 12:51:36 wpwrak: hehe Jun 25 12:51:39 mickey|linuxtag: still the old one. gta02-core is pretty much gta02, just with the worst errors corrected. Jun 25 12:52:39 wpwrak, wikileaks!! Jun 25 12:52:44 wpwrak: is modem still for purchase or wasn't it EOL'nd? Jun 25 12:52:53 and other components Jun 25 12:52:56 playya_: that looks cool, is that with builtin vala stuff or an addition? Jun 25 12:53:07 mickey|linuxtag: so if that production comes to pass, it would basically just use up FIC's stock Jun 25 12:53:09 buildin vala stuff Jun 25 12:53:23 ahh Jun 25 12:53:31 and you can also use get_value_from_nick(" foo") Jun 25 12:54:14 spaetz: but that's still just an idea Jun 25 12:55:41 not a bad one though. Although I am not sure how many people would be willing to pay real $ for a GTA2.01 Jun 25 12:55:43 playya_: that function should be a static function of an enum Jun 25 12:55:51 playya_: mind submitting a patch to vala? Jun 25 12:56:18 I know that I'd require some benefits of my current GTA to shell out more money Jun 25 12:56:23 s/of/over/ Jun 25 12:56:24 spaetz meant: I know that I'd require some benefits over my current GTA to shell out more money Jun 25 12:56:36 merging code in opimd is too slow Jun 25 12:56:49 spaetz: how does "no glamo" sound ? :) Jun 25 12:56:51 loading 160 messages - 70 seconds with merging enabled, 15 seconds with merging disabled Jun 25 12:57:09 wpwrak: how does that translate into "user benefit" :) Jun 25 12:57:17 no get me wrong, no glamo is great though Jun 25 12:57:30 spaetz: faster, without the negative acceleration it provides Jun 25 12:57:50 well, got me there, where can I order? ;-) Jun 25 12:58:11 nahh, seriously good work you guys do on gta02-core Jun 25 12:59:09 does fsoraw from shr-unstable need patching for latest shr-unstable? Jun 25 12:59:11 fsoraw[2306]: Failed to invoke RequestResource WiFi: org.freesmartphone.Usage.PolicyDisabled, Requesting WiFi not allowed by resource policy. Jun 25 12:59:19 mickey|linuxtag, if i submit a patch to vala every enum gets a to_string(), from_nick(),... Jun 25 12:59:39 spaetz: thanks :) order, we'll see. first prototype run should be around end of august. Jun 25 13:01:14 BillK: did you turn off wifi in shr-settings? Jun 25 13:02:43 dos1: does tunring off WiFi sets ResourcePolicy? Jun 25 13:03:01 spaetz: i think yes... i'll rewrite it to request resource Jun 25 13:04:18 oops, what wrong with currect frameworkd?) Jun 25 13:04:49 http://pastebin.ca/1474183 Jun 25 13:04:55 and no any log messages Jun 25 13:05:36 playya_: sonuds good Jun 25 13:05:39 max_posedon: ps aux | grep python Jun 25 13:06:01 root 1548 0.0 4.8 22992 5816 ? S 11:27 0:05 python /usr/bin/notifier Jun 25 13:06:02 root 12460 0.0 0.6 3004 812 pts/2 S+ 16:05 0:00 grep python Jun 25 13:07:42 and nothing more Jun 25 13:09:43 max_posedon: could you run it from command line? Jun 25 13:09:49 just "frameworkd"? Jun 25 13:11:04 ohhh... sorry, I'm stupid, I forgot start dbus Jun 25 13:11:34 hehe Jun 25 13:11:43 dos1: No, my wifi scripts currently use mdbus - wifi was off via mdus before I tried fsoraw Jun 25 13:11:53 BillK: that's why Jun 25 13:12:09 dos1, btw, how can I start ophonekitd manually? Jun 25 13:12:19 so fsoraw doesnt play nice with the rest of the system? Jun 25 13:12:22 BillK: if you set ResourcePolicy "disabled", then fsoraw won't work, as requesting resources is disallowed Jun 25 13:12:25 e.g. usually I just start shr-settings, and it asking me for start Jun 25 13:12:31 BillK: no. that's your fault ;) Jun 25 13:12:54 max_posedon: os.system( "DISPLAY=:0 ophonekitd >> /var/log/ophonekitd.log 2>&1 &" ) Jun 25 13:12:59 dos1 :) oh well, back to mdbus ... Jun 25 13:13:00 max_posedon: that's what shr-settings is doing :P Jun 25 13:13:25 I really wished there was an easy ways to CTRL-C ophonekitd Jun 25 13:13:30 dos1, should I do this in screen if I'm doing it via sshd? Jun 25 13:13:47 max_posedon: i think you don't need to Jun 25 13:18:56 dos1, does ophonekitd log configurable? e.g. I want adding time to logs, like in framework Jun 25 13:19:07 (via some config, if it possible) Jun 25 13:19:08 max_posedon: i think no Jun 25 13:19:15 max_posedon: you have to hack code Jun 25 13:19:25 max_posedon: but i don't know it so much Jun 25 13:20:03 Ainulindale, don't you want add there some time info, I think its easy, and might be usefull, for checking time and speed. Jun 25 13:20:12 ? Jun 25 13:22:19 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0726464e611b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't fail when some queried field is not string Jun 25 13:22:20 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r17bfe66c068f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: rename GetMessageURI to GetMessagePath and GetMessageURIs to GetMessagePaths Jun 25 13:24:16 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rc83d98283868 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message: fix annotations in Delete and Update methods Jun 25 13:27:45 max_posedon: we use g_debug for logging in ophonekitd Jun 25 13:28:02 so that would need some amount of coding to have some common logging func adding a timestamp Jun 25 13:28:18 use libfsoframework Jun 25 13:28:24 it has a nice Logger class Jun 25 13:29:09 I still hope we someday will switch to a reimplemented vala ophonekitd :) Jun 25 13:29:17 so I don't know if it is worth it Jun 25 13:29:44 on the other hand... hmmm Jun 25 13:29:53 * mrmoku takes a look at libfsoframework Jun 25 13:31:10 well, you can start with the C interface Jun 25 13:31:21 and once you have it in Vala, use the Vala-interface Jun 25 13:31:29 might not be worth the trouble now Jun 25 13:31:33 *shrug* Jun 25 13:31:53 debug( string message)... how does vala do "%s", foobar stuff? Jun 25 13:33:21 mickey|linuxtag: btw... how would you define a sane init system? What would it have to fulfill? Jun 25 13:34:23 mrmoku: unfortunately you have to preformat the string since Vala has no ... for own functions, just for bindings. (Vala has string methods such as "foo %s.printf( "bla") ) Jun 25 13:34:59 ouch, that would be a lot of work then :( Jun 25 13:35:05 ya, sorry Jun 25 13:35:50 mrmoku, use debug( g_strdup_printf(....) Jun 25 13:36:30 playya_: hmmm... yeah that might be doable... Jun 25 13:38:20 mrmoku, do you use g_debug? Jun 25 13:38:25 yep Jun 25 13:38:41 you can define own methods for the glib message system Jun 25 13:38:41 sane init system == something that does boot like a desktop system (all services on by default), but rather launches services on demand -- integrating w/ other services, i.e. having a dbus API Jun 25 13:38:46 upstream would qualify Jun 25 13:38:55 err Jun 25 13:38:56 upstart Jun 25 13:39:11 ups Jun 25 13:39:19 something that does NOT boot like a desktop system, of course Jun 25 13:39:24 * mickey|linuxtag confused today Jun 25 13:39:36 :) ok, will do some research Jun 25 13:40:30 ahh... maemo uses upstart... Jun 25 13:40:37 and palms webos Jun 25 13:40:57 i think we also should look at upstart ;) Jun 25 13:41:46 playya_: k, thanks Jun 25 13:45:46 yep Jun 25 13:45:52 we should actually work twofold Jun 25 13:46:03 one direction is upstart -- probably best for mid-term Jun 25 13:47:35 another direction is linuxrc Jun 25 13:47:40 probably good idea for short-term Jun 25 13:59:01 <[Rui]> release early release often indeed http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/source/list Jun 25 13:59:07 mrmoku: What was the last state of the discussion about the --disable-esd flag for gst-plugins-good? Jun 25 13:59:09 mrmoku, mickey|linuxtag Jun 25 13:59:20 I think developing on ophonekitd now is time wasted Jun 25 13:59:31 We should switch to ophonekitd vala but I'm still waiting for ptitjes to confirm it's usable Jun 25 14:00:39 DeGT`: latest state is that I'm going to add that flag I think Jun 25 14:01:21 mickey|linuxtag: maybe you have something to comment... gst-plugins-good configures with esd support as soon as it finds esd-config somewhere in the path Jun 25 14:01:32 which will then cause the build to fail, because the lib is not there Jun 25 14:01:50 what is the correct way to fix that? Jun 25 14:02:35 Ainulindale: the one big show-stopper is missing async dbus calls I think... Jun 25 14:02:43 In libfso? Jun 25 14:02:53 in vala in general... IIUC Jun 25 14:03:00 errr you're mistaken :-) Jun 25 14:03:00 it will try to compile a test app and that fails. Then the configure script assumes (correctly) that we are cross-compiling and defaults to enabling esd. Jun 25 14:03:04 At least I think you are Jun 25 14:03:07 As FSO couldn't run with sync Jun 25 14:03:15 It would be stupid Jun 25 14:03:45 Anyway I have to go and make a personalized tee shirt for a friend's birthday Jun 25 14:03:45 well for sure ptitjes told me the other day that his automatic dbus interface generation thingie does not generate async stuff Jun 25 14:03:53 Well that's ptitjes' stuff Jun 25 14:04:18 I wanted to switch efl2 to libfso... and can't do that because of missing async calls Jun 25 14:04:40 http://blogs.gnome.org/juergbi/2007/08/06/vala-and-d-bus/ Jun 25 14:04:53 "You don’t need any formal specification of the D-Bus service to get started, just get the object and call methods or connect to signals with the correct parameters. It also supports async method calls with a simple callback system" Jun 25 14:05:00 2007 Jun 25 14:05:10 So I guess ptitjes got it wrong Jun 25 14:05:13 Anyhow I'm off for a bit Jun 25 14:05:32 interesting... have fun :) Jun 25 14:05:45 ptitjes: ping :P Jun 25 14:07:25 mrmoku: i'd patch the configure.ac to not use esd Jun 25 14:09:58 mickey|linuxtag: well... I could as well just pass it the --disable-esd flag... though maybe some other OE distro wants esd. I would like to have a fix that is OE acceptable :) Jun 25 14:10:48 mrmoku: in that case, I'd path the macro that looks everywhere in PATH for it to only look in $(STAGING_BINDIR) Jun 25 14:10:55 or STAGING_BINDIR_CROSS Jun 25 14:11:10 ahh, ok. great that was the missing info :) Jun 25 14:11:23 mickey|linuxtag: That can also already be set by an option Jun 25 14:11:38 you might just try Jun 25 14:11:46 ESD_CONFIG = ${STAGING_BINDIR}/esd-config Jun 25 14:29:10 Ainulindale: ping Jun 25 14:30:39 Ainulindale: I'm going to merge ms5.5 into shr today if that's okay with you. I already prepared a merge (some days ago) and stuff seems to work okay. We should merge often so we don't miss out on updates made in the ms5.5 branch Jun 25 14:47:22 please, can anybody tell me what I can do when getting an "gzip: stdout: Broken pipe" error? Jun 25 14:47:55 When compiling e-wm-menu-shr. Jun 25 14:47:58 alphaone: well I think we should stop working in MS5.5 and work in SHR instead Jun 25 14:48:12 but yeah it's ok for us Jun 25 14:48:36 Ainulindale: probably not a good idea as shr has still some changes that will not be able to make it back to org.oe.dev Jun 25 14:48:43 Which? Jun 25 14:48:48 while we still have some hopes for ms5.5 Jun 25 14:49:17 We normalized all we could normalize and nytowl agreed in the past that we should commit that stuff into MS5.5 Jun 25 14:49:48 I can't recall them right now. I just remember that there were some strange stuff when we started shr-import Jun 25 14:50:06 We fixed that Jun 25 14:50:14 Okay, sorry Jun 25 14:50:18 then I missed that Jun 25 14:50:20 At least I think we did Jun 25 14:50:27 I'll merge nontheless Jun 25 14:50:28 We did all we could to clean the bad stuff we made Jun 25 14:50:33 Yeah merge no problem with that Jun 25 14:50:44 But I still think we should try to merge our work Jun 25 14:50:46 as the FSO team still keeps committing in ms5.5 branch Jun 25 14:50:47 As if we don't it's pointless Jun 25 14:50:55 as that is our base for getting ms5.5 out Jun 25 14:51:02 Yeah yeah obviously Jun 25 14:51:27 Ainulindale: Okay, let's try that post ms5.5 when hopefully everyone will move closer to org.oe.dev Jun 25 14:51:40 I'm all in :-) Jun 25 14:51:45 How's life apart from that? Jun 25 14:53:33 oh, okay Jun 25 14:54:15 June 29th is the exam Jun 25 14:54:24 Learning is going fine Jun 25 14:54:48 alphaone: which topic for the exam? Jun 25 14:55:09 Robotics Jun 25 14:55:17 Talking about that Jun 25 14:55:39 I contacted my former school and they're going to start a project on GTA02 as they enjoyed my presentation Jun 25 14:55:42 As a basis for robotics Jun 25 14:55:46 cool Jun 25 14:55:54 I intend to make them use FSO as much as possible, we'll see :-) Jun 25 14:56:07 :-) Jun 25 14:58:20 Going to move my base of operations back home. Bye Jun 25 15:02:08 mrmoku: please fetch try omgps .bb file from here: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/source/browse/trunk/omgps/omgps_svn.bb Jun 25 15:03:12 mqy: uhh great thing - thanks :) Jun 25 15:04:24 mrmoku: :) Jun 25 15:13:15 PaulFertser: now i have the bluetooth headset and the usb dongle connected to my laptop. how should i proceed? Jun 25 15:20:07 PaulF|bipless: did you see above? ;) Jun 25 15:39:26 <[Rui]> hms... how could I add a border to an elm_entry? Jun 25 15:57:13 <[Rui]> this is weird... I used evas_object_color_set once, and now the win will not change color again even if the code no longer has that function in there! Jun 25 16:07:39 tracfeed: Ticket #532 (update qwo in repository) created Jun 25 16:15:11 heyho Jun 25 16:15:46 hi morphis - long not seen Jun 25 16:15:57 bumbl: right Jun 25 16:16:14 bumbl: so whats up? everything goes right? Jun 25 16:17:00 yeah - last week with loads of work to do -> then the summer starts Jun 25 16:17:12 :) Jun 25 16:17:52 summer starts not for me .... sitting in my dark room and learning for all my exams in the next 1.5 weeks Jun 25 16:17:56 :) Jun 25 16:18:32 * mrmoku hopes the weather god can hear bumbl :P Jun 25 16:18:50 hmm well i have my last exam on monday and some written work until tomorrow and monday Jun 25 16:19:17 mrmoku: i'll visit rome tomorrow in a week Jun 25 16:19:28 good timing... don't know over therre in austria... but here it is quite... wet :( Jun 25 16:19:30 i hope it will have good weather there Jun 25 16:19:50 mrmoku: now it stopped raining - but before we had 48h constant rain Jun 25 16:19:58 this morning I looked at my local newspaper, they praise raining over the weekend - so not very much summer I will missing :) Jun 25 16:20:31 with parts of the country getting the water not only from above but from the ground too Jun 25 16:20:33 wet wet Jun 25 16:20:39 :) Jun 25 16:24:04 tracfeed: Ticket #531 (Bug Report) updated Jun 25 16:36:24 yeah! basic support for the gta02 is included in 2.6.31-rc1! Jun 25 16:47:02 PaulF|bipless: disable_esco=1 does not seem to help :( Jun 25 17:12:36 PaulFertser: new image and kernel behaved wrt PMU curlim-charge-end Jun 25 17:14:13 * mrmoku loves when a new image behaves :D Jun 25 17:14:15 <[Rui]> when one slides horizontally in paroli's contacts a new widgets show up... Jun 25 17:14:25 <[Rui]> what elm widget is that? Jun 25 17:14:42 PaulFertser: dos1|away: shr-settings completely borks (freezes) if we switch of modem by e.g. removing bat :-/ Jun 25 17:16:39 mrmoku: the rm *.db thing was a PITA though Jun 25 17:17:40 mrmoku: dos1|away: and contacts still has no address or any other field beyond what I can store on my SIM as well :-( Jun 25 17:18:35 dos1|away: I sent a split-SMS (>160char) to myself, and now all my SMS are vanished o.O Jun 25 17:19:31 wow Jun 25 17:19:44 err, ok. after boot they re-appeared Jun 25 17:20:03 but the sms to myself never arrived Jun 25 17:23:15 PaulF|bipless: hurray, i managed to record audio with the headset for the first time. I had to decode the audio data from the output of hcidump and feed it to aplay... Jun 25 17:23:54 lindi-: BT? Jun 25 17:29:21 DocScrutinizer: yes Jun 25 17:29:30 (and still using laptop, not fr yet) Jun 25 17:29:55 well, should be no big diff Jun 25 17:30:59 lindi-: so obviously you just need a decent alsa-BT-driver to put hs to work Jun 25 17:31:43 DocScrutinizer: i haven't managed to send any audio yet :) Jun 25 17:33:06 lindi-: just run CPU clock reverse ;-P Jun 25 17:34:37 <[Rui]> is there a way for an external app to use paroli-sms ? I'm thinking of something like launch paroli-sms with the following text in the buffer Jun 25 17:35:09 <[Rui]> hint: "what a nice status, let's forward it to my friend's phone" Jun 25 17:41:25 so I am off for today Jun 25 17:41:26 byebye Jun 25 17:42:50 DocScrutinizer: you sent that SMS via dos1|away's opim gui/script thingie? Jun 25 17:43:30 no idea. prolly not, as I didn't start any script. Used "Messages" Jun 25 17:44:21 DocScrutinizer: ah, ok. You configured it to use opimd (aka efl2 in /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf)? Jun 25 17:44:51 I didn't config anything yet Jun 25 17:45:01 ok Jun 25 17:45:08 and did the SMS arrive? Jun 25 17:45:13 nope Jun 25 17:45:21 maybe never got sent Jun 25 17:45:31 yeah, think so Jun 25 17:45:39 frameworkd will refuse to send it.... Jun 25 17:45:46 bah Jun 25 17:45:47 (or try and fail) Jun 25 17:46:16 need to start my "day" now. So bbl Jun 25 17:52:43 Ainulindale: Please double, triple check that I didn't bork anything Jun 25 17:52:52 Just merged fso/ms5.5 Jun 25 17:58:51 docscrutinizer. that sms is likely still there. i found numerous sms messages with my own app that the default messages process is unable to find or screws up processing Jun 25 17:59:49 mrmoku: pong Jun 25 18:00:56 Blu3: well the default message app does not search for outgoing messages and even deletes them Jun 25 18:01:27 alphaone, wow... big thing - lots of new stuff :) Jun 25 18:01:29 actually outgoing messages aren't stored at all afaik (by FSO) Jun 25 18:01:46 but i was referring to incoming previously Jun 25 18:01:57 ptitjes, could you please enlighten me again what is missing for async dbus as libfso client? Jun 25 18:01:59 Blu3: well at least paroli stores them Jun 25 18:02:06 *nod* Jun 25 18:02:33 mrmoku: not too much things I guess Jun 25 18:03:15 mrmoku: in fact, I first have to enhance vala-dbus-binding-tool to add "yields" keywords on method prototypes that have the dbus annotation "org.dbus....async" Jun 25 18:03:16 one thing is to generate async bindings, right? Jun 25 18:03:26 (can't remember the exact XML annotation) Jun 25 18:03:26 :) Jun 25 18:03:43 mrmoku: based on that async C methods should be generated Jun 25 18:03:52 I say should Jun 25 18:04:06 because I don't know yet how much async dbus is supported on client Jun 25 18:04:11 yet Jun 25 18:04:21 this is what I had plan to investigate next Jun 25 18:04:41 mrmoku: so first (easy) add "yields" keyword from the binding gen Jun 25 18:04:47 and then see what is missing Jun 25 18:05:02 mrmoku: enhance vala if things are missing Jun 25 18:05:16 ptitjes, Ainulindale pointed me to http://blogs.gnome.org/juergbi/2007/08/06/vala-and-d-bus/ Jun 25 18:05:48 mrmoku: then enhance ophonekitd/vala to use the new async stuff I added the last time I worked on the project (aka my async-fixes branch) Jun 25 18:05:56 mrmoku: read that in the backlog Jun 25 18:06:20 mrmoku: but as I read his quotation, it seems to me that this applies to the dynamic client Jun 25 18:06:26 Blu3: + outgoing messages are imo essential as i want to see when i have sent what to whom Jun 25 18:06:29 ptitjes, as soon as you fixed the dbus-binding-tool I would try it in the efl2 frontend Jun 25 18:07:08 (the one which don't need specified interfaces, but that just generate dynamic marshaling/demarshalling (thus less efficient) code) Jun 25 18:07:15 mrmoku: ok Jun 25 18:07:21 mrmoku: this will be next week Jun 25 18:07:25 ok Jun 25 18:07:36 ptitjes, ping me if ready :) Jun 25 18:07:48 oki no prob Jun 25 18:12:15 mrmoku: leaving for now Jun 25 18:12:18 cu Jun 25 18:12:19 bye Jun 25 18:13:43 ciao Jun 25 18:16:38 ptitjes, bye Jun 25 18:38:34 Ainulindale: mrmoku: please remove http://build.shr-project.org/*/shr-splash-theme-dociswatchingyou*, as well as all other instances of the picture used in this package. This pictures copyright is held by me, and is not granted to use in the way SHR is using it. I expect the named file (picture) to be removed next 24h, and I keep option to take further step regarding compensation of infringement of my copyright in named picture Jun 25 18:40:50 .oO( uh, someone's pissed off there... ) Jun 25 18:44:48 * mwester notes that everyone is pissed off by something or other related to the entire openmoko thing., Jun 25 18:45:50 i am mostly pissed off that nothing moves... Jun 25 18:46:52 oh, wait. sometimes, something moves. but nobody tells anybody about it. Jun 25 18:47:21 today, i had to look for the new place where the charge current limit is hidden... Jun 25 18:48:05 sigh. yeah. OM has created a culture where APIs aren't stable in any fashion. It's hard to fix that. Jun 25 18:49:04 :) Jun 25 18:51:19 Wonka: you shouldn't hard code that inside applications really Jun 25 18:51:55 Wonka, dbus or sysfs? Jun 25 18:53:28 Ainulindale: mrmoku: please confirm reception and noticing of above request, to save further communication load like opening ticket, sending mail (by atorney) etc Jun 25 18:56:06 would it be so hard to initially ask them politely to remove it without going all lawyered up? :P Jun 25 18:56:32 i rather agree, it seems like everyone's got their titties in a twister today Jun 25 18:56:43 Blu3: I did that multiple times now Jun 25 18:57:22 ok. private lawyered up emails then? Jun 25 18:58:17 Blu3: so if 3 weeks aren't enough to get this fixed the polite way, I'm going to start the nasty way now Jun 25 18:58:33 feed all the lawyers to the sharks. Jun 25 18:58:57 * mrmoku wonders if sharks would eat them :P Jun 25 18:58:58 who else has access to remove those packages from the repository? Jun 25 18:58:59 (are sharks cannibalistic, though?) Jun 25 18:59:27 mwester, i think that's the one natural predator of the shark... ;> Jun 25 18:59:35 hehe! Jun 25 19:00:23 * mwester has a vision of sharks leaping up onto dry land, after we dump the lawyers in the ocean. Jun 25 19:00:35 hahahah Jun 25 19:01:08 oh goodness, more kernel upgrades Jun 25 19:01:13 * Blu3 wonders what got fixed Jun 25 19:05:12 mrmoku, ffs framework-phonegui.conf :) Though you were going to fix that (i.e putting it as a skeleton or any other solution I suggested)... Jun 25 19:05:15 bah, I'm tired. Jun 25 19:05:23 could anyone please post the full url ? i can't seem to find it. and if doc is making such a fuss about it, it must be *good*. did he end up drunk and kissing raster or such ? ;-) Jun 25 19:05:32 I think I'm going to bed. Jun 25 19:05:35 sure Jun 25 19:05:42 wpwrak, too late :P Jun 25 19:05:44 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/shr-splash-theme-dociswatchingyou-dbg_1.2-gitr55+09de5dea6deba04904582d3388bac42f5bda5249-r4_armv4t.ipk Jun 25 19:05:58 wpwrak, I don't think he'll appreciate us giving a link Jun 25 19:06:04 Blu3, that's the debug version. Jun 25 19:06:09 i know Jun 25 19:06:11 mrmoku, ^ Jun 25 19:06:18 there's multiples Jun 25 19:06:20 Blu3: ERROR 404: Not Found. :-( Jun 25 19:06:26 but i'm not going to post the url to all of them Jun 25 19:06:32 wpwrak, I guess mrmokue removed it :) Jun 25 19:06:36 good, that's one thing to satisfy him :) Jun 25 19:06:41 btw mrmoku I see efl compiled correctly? Jun 25 19:06:56 (evas, edje and e17) Jun 25 19:07:32 TAsnn, why should it not? Jun 25 19:07:44 You said you had issues with the patches Jun 25 19:07:55 just confirming you didn't had any issues with the other patches Jun 25 19:07:59 and only with that evas one. Jun 25 19:09:01 TAsnn, ahh... that efl Jun 25 19:09:10 yeah... ;] Jun 25 19:09:17 * mrmoku was thinking at the efl frontends :) Jun 25 19:09:22 oh Jun 25 19:09:23 :) Jun 25 19:09:26 yeah Jun 25 19:09:33 no idea if rtl works though Jun 25 19:10:05 anyhow, I'm sorry about my absence (which will continue for 2 more weeks) I'm here, but not really active :( exam period, bah. Jun 25 19:10:21 mrmoku, I beta tested it, and it worked (on my pc) Jun 25 19:10:23 TAsnn, that's life... real life always first :) Jun 25 19:10:25 will test it on the moko Jun 25 19:11:20 mrmoku, not always, I bought the moko in the middle of an exam period and didn't even think about studying :) Jun 25 19:11:24 all I did was deving Jun 25 19:11:52 though now things are different, more exams, less time and less urgent moko dev needs :) Jun 25 19:12:15 TAsnn, yes... I should do a little bit more paid daywork too... what I mean is nobody has to excuse for having RL coming first from time to time :) Jun 25 19:12:19 the moko generally works (except for a few issues) so nothing is crucial anymore ;) Jun 25 19:12:46 mrmoku, I know that's what you meant, I just said it's not always the case here, so that's why I'm giving excuses :) Jun 25 19:12:55 anyhow, sorry for the delay Jun 25 19:12:59 though have anyone resolved that nasty Jun 25 19:13:02 dbus bug Jun 25 19:13:17 (I remember something with the framework and incoming calls and dbus Jun 25 19:13:22 not sure about the exact details Jun 25 19:13:26 i hate this bug Jun 25 19:13:33 playya, still active? :( Jun 25 19:13:41 I have to reboot my phone after every incoming call Jun 25 19:13:46 :( Jun 25 19:13:49 the **pending_call? Jun 25 19:13:57 no Jun 25 19:14:04 this one also sucks Jun 25 19:14:19 I'm talking about the one that makes me reboot after every incoming call Jun 25 19:14:26 I remember someone saying it's a dbus bug Jun 25 19:14:29 TAsnn, update then :) Jun 25 19:14:29 hmm Jun 25 19:14:37 mrmoku, fixed? Jun 25 19:14:39 omfg :) Jun 25 19:14:43 yep Jun 25 19:14:53 better still switch to fso-abyss and fsousaged Jun 25 19:15:04 works all nice... and guess it will be our default soon Jun 25 19:15:05 just install those packs? Jun 25 19:15:15 install and configure Jun 25 19:15:32 DocScrutinizer: sheesh a polite mail would have been enough, I'm swamped by work, I thought you would be less annoying in your way to behave with what was clearly a prank Jun 25 19:15:33 configure? what's needed to configure? Jun 25 19:16:08 So I'll remove it, but don't expect me to be either comprehensive and/or polite in the foreseeable future given that you clearly affected a mind-boggingly stupid attitude there Jun 25 19:16:15 Ainulindale, already removed it Jun 25 19:16:26 mrmoku: from OE too? Jun 25 19:16:34 Ainulindale, not yet... feed for now Jun 25 19:16:42 tuxbrain!!! I need tuxbrain dudes !!! Jun 25 19:16:43 Ok I'll do the rest then. Jun 25 19:16:49 if you want to remove it yourself... pull first Jun 25 19:16:54 they haven't paid my fee yet ;( Jun 25 19:16:55 there is the big merge waiting for you :) Jun 25 19:17:04 TAsnn, frameworkd.conf Jun 25 19:17:14 changing what to what from what? Jun 25 19:17:14 :) Jun 25 19:17:15 you have to configure it to use fso-abyss as the muxer Jun 25 19:17:20 oh, cool. Jun 25 19:17:35 will bug you about it soon :) Jun 25 19:17:38 TAsnn: what fee? Jun 25 19:17:45 TAsnn, feel free Jun 25 19:17:48 cofundos Jun 25 19:17:55 mrmoku, thanks Jun 25 19:17:56 ah Jun 25 19:18:01 bumbl, I "won" something there Jun 25 19:18:08 the others paid Jun 25 19:18:08 they haven't Jun 25 19:18:14 already gave them my back account info and shipping address Jun 25 19:18:17 Ainulindale: iirc even others have proven you wrong wrt that. I clearly stated conditions to use that picture which you liked to ignore. I repeatedly explained I don't like this fakt and asked you to fix it - last time yesterday Jun 25 19:18:23 for the money wire transfer Jun 25 19:18:27 and the case shipment Jun 25 19:18:32 they stopped answering my mail Jun 25 19:18:47 even when contacting them from the web form in their website Jun 25 19:18:56 DocScrutinizer: Yeah and I told you I would do it and was busy these days with the fact that I'm changing job and moving my girlfriend, and doing stuff for my old job at the same time Jun 25 19:18:58 I'm trying to reach them for more than a month now. Jun 25 19:19:01 well i don't think/hope that they try to trick you Jun 25 19:19:05 DocScrutinizer: But anyway I told you I'd do it Jun 25 19:19:09 Ainulindale: so don't play surprised when finally i feel pissed Jun 25 19:19:11 If you feel the need to talk about lawyers & stuff Jun 25 19:19:13 oh then ;( Jun 25 19:19:22 Then it's clear than you're behaving as a spoiled ass or children Jun 25 19:19:32 And I feel no interest in talking with you about that or anything anymore Jun 25 19:19:43 bumbl, I'm actually scared and feel like an idiot that I gave them my back account info ;\ Jun 25 19:19:45 Involving lawyers in what is clearly a prank is plain stupid Jun 25 19:20:12 So you want to play this game with me, that's fine, don't expect me to be nice and/or anything but an ass now. Jun 25 19:20:42 TAsnn: i feel pleased that i have not yet ordered the leather case (just registered though) Jun 25 19:21:05 Ainulindale: offending people by not giving 3min to follow their fair enough requests is plain stupid Jun 25 19:21:37 bumbl, I don't know Jun 25 19:21:47 Yeah it clearly offended you, I even drew a little ass on top of your head in this picture, clearly Jun 25 19:21:47 they may treat their costumers right Jun 25 19:21:56 Seriously, stop behaving as a child. Jun 25 19:21:58 Ainulindale: and don't get me started at playing games on you Jun 25 19:22:03 yeah but i don't like that attitude Jun 25 19:22:12 going *diving* Jun 25 19:22:23 bumbl, ;\ Jun 25 19:22:32 I just want my 50euros and leather case :) Jun 25 19:22:47 actually I don't *really* want my leather case as I will never use it Jun 25 19:22:52 I just want my 50 euros :) Jun 25 19:22:54 29€ afaik Jun 25 19:23:03 no Jun 25 19:23:09 they owe me 50 euros + a case Jun 25 19:23:25 ah Jun 25 19:23:31 yeah :( Jun 25 19:23:39 if it was only the case I wouldn't care that much Jun 25 19:23:41 (the case was 50€ when they started selling it too) Jun 25 19:23:45 but I need that income Jun 25 19:23:54 (well not really, but I'm still a poor student :) ) Jun 25 19:24:28 well they were on holiday until yesterday Jun 25 19:25:03 for a week Jun 25 19:25:11 that's long after I first contacted them Jun 25 19:27:05 bumbl, Jun 25 19:27:11 I first contacted them at Jun 25 19:27:12 15 may Jun 25 19:27:18 then again at 30 may Jun 25 19:27:23 and then 15 june Jun 25 19:27:30 ;\ Jun 25 19:27:44 now I decided to whine here till someone responds Jun 25 19:27:47 [2009-06-24 14:34:00] Zorkman: so I think it's better Ainulindale took it off the repositories if he doesn't like to follow my request, rather than me forcing him to do so, and even sueing for copyright infringement Jun 25 19:27:48 [2009-06-24 14:35:04] DocScrutinizer: i completely understand Jun 25 19:27:49 [2009-06-24 14:35:20] don't see why he doesn't follow your request... seems fair enough... maybe he forgot? Jun 25 19:28:05 and someone suggested I should whine on the community ml Jun 25 19:28:08 TAsnn: whine on the mailinglist Jun 25 19:28:20 that's where they read + their customers read Jun 25 19:28:21 bumbl, yeah Jun 25 19:28:29 I really don't want to give em any PR damage Jun 25 19:28:35 they aren't bad people Jun 25 19:28:42 DocScrutinizer: I told you I would do it, and wasn't able to due to my lack of time to do anything on SHR. Check commit logs. Jun 25 19:28:46 suggesting bounties for open source bugs Jun 25 19:28:48 is a blessing Jun 25 19:28:52 I support this behavior Jun 25 19:28:58 DocScrutinizer: why do you want to sue Ainulindale? Jun 25 19:29:01 so they must be at least decent ppl Jun 25 19:29:15 could we please drop that topic now? splash screen is gone... Jun 25 19:29:21 In between, now your stupid picture has been removed, and I strongly suggest you to ignore me in order not to be importuned by the fact that I was playing merely a joke on you and you couldn't stand the fact that I had a life for 3 weeks. Jun 25 19:29:22 bumbl, because Ainulindale is against having a splash screen... Jun 25 19:29:36 * spaetz nods. get over it, people Jun 25 19:29:46 * TAsnn follows spaetz Jun 25 19:29:51 I hope you're happy by having pissed me off. Jun 25 19:30:00 Now I won't talk about that anymore as it's completely useless. Jun 25 19:30:13 \o/ Jun 25 19:30:14 bumbl, see my point? :( Jun 25 19:30:45 btw forgot to mention Jun 25 19:30:56 that I was declared as a winner at ~1 may Jun 25 19:31:07 though it took them time to even talk to me about giving me the payment Jun 25 19:31:10 ;\ Jun 25 19:31:13 TAsn: yeah Jun 25 19:31:42 well Jun 25 19:31:57 if anyone has an idea how to contact a tuxbrain dude Jun 25 19:32:00 please let me know Jun 25 19:32:07 Ainulindale: you mentioned a new job. where to ? Jun 25 19:32:16 (not by phone btw, I don't want to dial long distance over this thing) Jun 25 19:32:19 wpwrak: I'll disclose that in no time I have to settle some things first sadly Jun 25 19:32:52 Ainulindale: I give a shit about your 3 weeks life. I clearly stated in the very first place "I grant permission to use this for splashscreen if ond only if a writing "DocScrutinizer checked it" is superimposed to the picture" You liked to ignore that, didn't care to revoke the picture to stop it spreading over the net in a form I didn't authorize, and now you are complaining I need to find clear words to make sth happen that takes 3min Jun 25 19:32:52 Ainulindale, I hope you are happy with your new apartment :) Jun 25 19:32:53 and had to be done 3 weeks ago Jun 25 19:32:56 anyhow ppl Jun 25 19:32:58 I'm off Jun 25 19:33:11 I'm too tired and wake up too early tomorrow :) Jun 25 19:33:30 Ainulindale: ah. so the rumors about the new SCO-WinCE joint venture are true :) Jun 25 19:33:45 DocScrutinizer: Yeah I clearly gave a shit, that's my way to behave, I like to give a shit about what people say or think, that's why I clearly ask the user for their opinion every time I got the chance. Jun 25 19:33:49 hehe, Ainulindale bought it Jun 25 19:34:10 Can't you get over it and simply realize I just forgot that when I did my stuff? Naaah, you had to go full blown stupid. Lucky you. Jun 25 19:34:29 DocScrutinizer, Ainulindale just stop it. both of you Jun 25 19:34:30 Now I will stop talking about that else I'll quit or people will start hating me more for my "insane shitty behavior". Jun 25 19:34:47 TAsn: yeah new flat is great Jun 25 19:34:51 although it's a bit hot in here Jun 25 19:34:55 (oriented south) Jun 25 19:34:55 I wise decission Jun 25 19:34:58 in parris? Jun 25 19:35:03 hehe, I'm glad :) Jun 25 19:35:06 paris Jun 25 19:35:12 I still live with my parents ;\ Jun 25 19:35:38 * wpwrak thinks we should start a thread on the community list with theories what dark secrets of joerg's life this picture may have revealed Jun 25 19:35:54 (here ppl only leave at the age of 24/25 ;\ and that's not always the case as well, ppl sometime move later) Jun 25 19:35:57 Nah, Vincennes, near Paris Jun 25 19:36:04 TAsn: that's because of jewish mothers :-) Jun 25 19:36:11 hehe probably Jun 25 19:36:19 though I guess it also has something to do with army service Jun 25 19:36:24 3 years of that crap Jun 25 19:36:31 18 to 21 Jun 25 19:36:35 only then you can start thinking about college Jun 25 19:37:37 TAsn: well I'm glad I didn't do mine =) Jun 25 19:38:30 you also have army service? Jun 25 19:39:31 spaetz: we didn't start the "flamewar" - we can't end it ;) Jun 25 19:39:56 TAsn: We had 6 years ago I think Jun 25 19:40:30 TAsn: 3 years of army? Jun 25 19:40:34 are they crazy? Jun 25 19:40:43 (israel is at war...) Jun 25 19:40:59 yeah and? Jun 25 19:41:26 even if you are in army here you can decide whether you want to participate in certain "missions" Jun 25 19:41:31 * spaetz did his obligatory 10 month in germany Jun 25 19:41:47 bumbl, 3 years of obligatory service Jun 25 19:41:50 furthermore Jun 25 19:41:56 the army chooses where you go Jun 25 19:42:05 which means you can end up as an infantry soldier Jun 25 19:42:21 and get home only one weekend every 3 wks Jun 25 19:42:37 for 3 years Jun 25 19:42:41 :( Jun 25 19:42:59 the non fighter soldiers Jun 25 19:43:03 get 350 nis a month Jun 25 19:43:12 which is roughly Jun 25 19:43:15 90$ us Jun 25 19:43:21 A MONTH! Jun 25 19:43:29 TAsn: what's the percentage of desertion ? :) Jun 25 19:43:34 + we only have 6 months now Jun 25 19:43:45 Well I'm glad I didn't do any military service Jun 25 19:43:54 DocScrutinizer: if you don't use opimd, then you won't by able to send split messages Jun 25 19:44:04 wpwrak, well it's actually harder than it may sound Jun 25 19:44:10 I mean Jun 25 19:44:10 I think I would have been in jail permanently for insubordination or something Jun 25 19:44:13 if you desert Jun 25 19:44:22 you get jail time and extended service Jun 25 19:44:47 DocScrutinizer: well, sending split messages isn't handled with my opimd test app too now :P Jun 25 19:44:55 and people here don't treat people who don't do army service nicely Jun 25 19:44:58 Ainulindale: well the alternative to military services takes 9 months Jun 25 19:45:01 TAsn, free food and living for the rest of your life :P Jun 25 19:45:06 alphaone: I have an interesting log about a guy who was called while in a call Jun 25 19:45:07 DocScrutinizer: now only opimd SIM backend merges correctly split messages Jun 25 19:45:09 TAsn: if you just run and leave the country ? Jun 25 19:45:14 alphaone: which apparently drove everything haywire Jun 25 19:45:21 actually, the gov. has commercials calling against people who desert, insulting them and such ;\ Jun 25 19:45:24 nasty business Jun 25 19:45:43 dos1: I C Jun 25 19:46:06 mrmoku, huh, where? Jun 25 19:46:10 alphaone: does fso support initiating conferences? because participating is no problem Jun 25 19:46:11 wpwrak, you can Jun 25 19:46:16 though you are banned from coming back Jun 25 19:46:23 when you come back Jun 25 19:46:28 you instantly get arrested Jun 25 19:46:31 and sent to prison Jun 25 19:46:38 and then to do 3 years of army service Jun 25 19:46:42 TAsn, well... you desert... get jail and extended service... desert again... and so on ;) Jun 25 19:46:43 TAsn: pretty common scenario. most countries have something like that. Jun 25 19:46:52 mrmoku, oh ;) Jun 25 19:47:10 well usually at war desertion is punished by death Jun 25 19:47:13 wpwrak, I think 3 years of service is not common Jun 25 19:47:16 at least that was the case formerly in France Jun 25 19:47:18 Ainulindale, while at war Jun 25 19:47:20 (old days) Jun 25 19:47:23 i.e in the battle field Jun 25 19:47:31 oh ok Jun 25 19:47:32 TAsn: naw, 3 years seems a little excessive ... Jun 25 19:47:38 if someone deserts while in a fight Jun 25 19:47:41 TAsn: but people run from less Jun 25 19:47:46 TAsn: even if it's a pillow fight? Jun 25 19:47:48 his commander can potentiall kill him Jun 25 19:47:54 potentially* Jun 25 19:48:07 Ainulindale: then he gets tarred (a litte) and feathered (a lot) :) Jun 25 19:48:07 Ainulindale, they don't get pillows Jun 25 19:48:08 TAsn: well here too if you are capable (and don't refuse to carry a weapon for 10years) of doing military service and don't you get arrested Jun 25 19:48:08 :) Jun 25 19:48:14 only sleeping bags Jun 25 19:48:36 bumbl, I'm talking about 3 years Jun 25 19:48:44 in which you only go how Jun 25 19:48:49 home Jun 25 19:48:53 one out of three weekends Jun 25 19:48:56 barely sleep Jun 25 19:48:59 eat crappy found Jun 25 19:48:59 yeah i know Jun 25 19:49:01 food* Jun 25 19:49:09 get yelled at by stupid kids Jun 25 19:49:15 TAsn: claim you are an orthodox jew Jun 25 19:49:21 then you have not to go ;) Jun 25 19:49:27 doesn't always work Jun 25 19:49:32 trick the private investigators Jun 25 19:49:33 they actually have private detectives Jun 25 19:49:38 spying on you Jun 25 19:49:41 i know Jun 25 19:49:47 to make sure you are an orthodox Jun 25 19:50:04 actually Jun 25 19:50:07 bumbl: yes, conferences should work with the API Jun 25 19:50:12 many people here pretend to be psychos Jun 25 19:50:14 i must admit i never tested that though :D Jun 25 19:50:19 mickey|linuxtag: as well as call within a call? Jun 25 19:50:26 yep Jun 25 19:50:28 compulsory military service is stone age Jun 25 19:50:33 yo dcordes Jun 25 19:50:35 though this ruins other fields of their life Jun 25 19:50:40 mickey|linuxtag: because some guy mailed me a log about that Jun 25 19:50:44 he was called while in a call Jun 25 19:50:46 dcordes, well not here... ;\ Jun 25 19:50:47 it stopped his call Jun 25 19:50:53 maybe it's an older framework? Jun 25 19:50:58 well Jun 25 19:51:05 i don't think the rules properly handle this Jun 25 19:51:07 but the API should do Jun 25 19:51:13 Ainulindale: sell it as a feature. priority override :) Jun 25 19:51:22 TAsn, let me restate.. it is barbaric :) Jun 25 19:51:25 mickey|linuxtag: ok I'll check that later on then :-) Jun 25 19:51:27 cool Jun 25 19:51:33 mickey|linuxtag: how's linuxtag? Jun 25 19:52:03 TAsn, I'm about to finish 9 the month replacement service and I think it didn't help anybody much Jun 25 19:52:06 the most annoying thing is running ophonekitd under gdb for two days and it never crashes. run it by it's lonesome and it crashes 3x a day Jun 25 19:52:06 anyhow dcordes, bumbl, mrmoku, wpwrak, I'll continue bitching about the army service on some other time (just ask...) I'm going to get something to drink Jun 25 19:52:12 yo mickey|linuxtag Jun 25 19:52:27 and hopefully giving fso-abyss a try Jun 25 19:52:28 TAsn, where are you btw? Jun 25 19:52:34 dcordes, same here Jun 25 19:52:36 TAsn: that's more efficient than bitching :) cheers ! Jun 25 19:52:42 dcordes, home ;) Jun 25 19:52:46 Ainulindale: not quite as expected. we have a lousy seat in the cellar and no one is stopping by. have some time to hack though Jun 25 19:52:56 TAsn, ok Jun 25 19:52:57 (which is good as well Jun 25 19:52:58 dcordes, ppl here Jun 25 19:52:58 qknight: C1009 Jun 25 19:53:02 sometime spend Jun 25 19:53:13 mrmoku: patch sent to shr-devel ;) Jun 25 19:53:16 3 years cleaning some admirals garden Jun 25 19:53:21 mickey|linuxtag: heh :-) Jun 25 19:53:23 or filing crap no one needs Jun 25 19:53:29 mickey|linuxtag: is there beer or club matte nearby? Jun 25 19:53:46 mickey|linuxtag: so it is just missing gui for conferences (participating aka getting called works) Jun 25 19:53:49 by that I wanna point out that soldiers don't do much here either ;) Jun 25 19:54:00 mickey|linuxtag: we requested the cellar fir you so you could be more productive :-) Jun 25 19:54:12 DocScrutinizer: (curlim-charge-end) strange, i don't think anything happened till the last discussion. Jun 25 19:54:52 Ainulindale, btw... still waiting for the confirmation mail :P Jun 25 19:54:58 spaetz: hahah, heh Jun 25 19:55:08 dcordes: the only positive thing i could see about compulsory military service is that they get our fat youth in shape Jun 25 19:55:09 Ainulindale: ya, drinks are ok Jun 25 19:55:14 mrmoku: yeah I know there was a problem with the server in the time you registered Jun 25 19:55:16 Ainulindale: but expensive... Jun 25 19:55:17 mrmoku: Could you retry? Jun 25 19:55:20 bumbl: yep Jun 25 19:55:21 mickey|linuxtag: :-( Jun 25 19:55:49 anyhow, in conclusion: doing 3 years of going home once every 3 weeks, where your commander has the "power" to make you stay at the base more than that (punishments, quite common you get stuff like that for a bad shave). You get only 90$ a month and you can't escape it. ARMY SUCKS. though many people actually enjoy it, ppl like being elite commando troops... anyhow, ciao. Jun 25 19:55:50 the conference program is also not so exciting this year Jun 25 19:55:59 DocScrutinizer: i think that's shr-settings' problem ;) Jun 25 19:56:01 one interesting thing was QML Jun 25 19:56:29 PaulFertser, DocScrutinizer: which problem? Jun 25 19:56:36 lindi-: to send audio data you're supposed to use hsplay from bluez4 sources. Jun 25 19:57:13 PaulFertser: i managed to get the headset work with bluez4 on a laptop with internal usb-bt adapter Jun 25 19:57:20 Ainulindale, yeah, will do Jun 25 19:57:22 mickey|linuxtag: QML? Jun 25 19:57:26 mickey|linuxtag, is there a livestream for the talks? Jun 25 19:57:27 PaulFertser: i can't get it to work with my external usb-bt adapter Jun 25 19:58:05 playya: doesn#t look like it Jun 25 19:58:13 Ainulindale: Q Markup Language for fluid UIs Jun 25 19:58:14 lindi-: is there any specific problem? Jun 25 19:58:32 dos1: 21:13 < DocScrutinizer2> PaulFertser: dos1|away: shr-settings completely borks (freezes) if we switch of modem by e.g. removing bat :-/ Jun 25 19:58:45 PaulFertser: bluetooth-wizard does not show the device Jun 25 19:58:53 just when i have decided for one base toolkit, something else comes along ;) Jun 25 19:58:55 PaulFertser: hcitool scan does Jun 25 19:59:02 TAsn, do you get food/clothing/etc money when you go home for the 3 weeks? 90$ is not that much Jun 25 19:59:08 lindi-: btw bluetooth-wizard? Jun 25 19:59:11 PaulFertser: it depends. FSO calls use to hang in that situation Jun 25 19:59:13 s/btw/ftw/ Jun 25 19:59:13 PaulFertser meant: lindi-: ftw bluetooth-wizard? Jun 25 19:59:25 dos1: hm, yes, sounds reasonable. Jun 25 19:59:30 dos1: sorry ;) Jun 25 19:59:35 PaulFertser: that's the gnome thing to set PIN Jun 25 19:59:47 dcordes, you get uniform (to wear while at base), food (while at base, you can buy more if you like, but that's on YOUR money). Jun 25 20:00:00 actually the only stuff you get from the army outside of base Jun 25 20:00:03 lindi-: are you sure you want to use it instead of simple-agent script from bluez4 sources? Jun 25 20:00:06 is sucky shaving knives Jun 25 20:00:10 and shoe polish Jun 25 20:00:31 because they require you always walk shaved and with polished shoes Jun 25 20:00:35 dcordes, btw, I know 90$ is not that much Jun 25 20:00:49 oh, btw, you also get free train/bus rides to and from base (and only that) Jun 25 20:01:05 90$ is nothing Jun 25 20:01:08 how long can you go home? Jun 25 20:01:18 minimum wage here is way more than 90$... Jun 25 20:01:22 PaulFertser: with that it does not ask for the pin and arecord just fails with Bogus message BT_GETCAPABILITIES_REQ Jun 25 20:01:27 dcordes, depends on where you serve Jun 25 20:01:30 some people go home everyday Jun 25 20:01:35 armies always seeem fixated on polished shoes.... Jun 25 20:01:36 some go once every 3 weeks Jun 25 20:01:46 some go once every 2 weeks Jun 25 20:02:03 most common among fighters is once every 2.5 weeks Jun 25 20:02:09 I guess Jun 25 20:02:09 lindi-: simple agent doesn't ask for the pin? Jun 25 20:02:39 special cases: they let you go out if your mother/father/brother/sister dies, but not if grandparents die Jun 25 20:02:42 PaulFertser: yep Jun 25 20:02:46 TAsn: what if you're famous for your beard? Jun 25 20:03:04 TAsn, is every man in you coutry should go to army? Jun 25 20:03:08 and your commander can let you go out at his free will (limited to only 4 times a year iirc) Jun 25 20:03:14 lindi-: what if you supply it the third parameter? Jun 25 20:03:16 max_posedon, every man and woman. Jun 25 20:03:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription#Countries_with_and_without_mandatory_military_service interesting Jun 25 20:03:34 wow, crazy, but here only man) Jun 25 20:03:39 lindi-: so, you mean that hcitool scan (done on your dongle) works for other devices but not for the headset? Jun 25 20:03:39 at least there's no gender descrimination at your place! Jun 25 20:03:51 PaulFertser: scan shows the device Jun 25 20:04:03 PaulFertser, There are special cases, one can provide a good reason to why he wants a beard, in that case he can ask a lt. admiral to allow him to get a beard Jun 25 20:04:11 though the beard must be even (all face) or french style Jun 25 20:04:16 and can not be trimmed Jun 25 20:04:24 here in germany one half of the population (women) must not serve at all, then a big part of men is unable to serve for health reasons and rest is screwd. it's not so fair Jun 25 20:04:27 TAsn: :D stupid beurocrats Jun 25 20:04:38 PaulFertser: my simple-agent takes only two parameters Jun 25 20:04:38 if it's trimmed you are sentenced and not allow to get a beard again for at least an year. Jun 25 20:04:42 if you must serve you think it's a stupid coincidence Jun 25 20:04:43 dcordes, I guess :) Jun 25 20:04:49 dcordes: trust me it's much more unfair in russia Jun 25 20:05:01 (about the discrimination) Jun 25 20:05:03 PaulFertser, aye. Jun 25 20:05:06 lindi-: are you sure? Is it a python script from bluez4 test directory? Jun 25 20:05:09 I know many russains Jun 25 20:05:14 who their fathers Jun 25 20:05:20 went to the soviet army Jun 25 20:05:20 PaulFertser: yep Jun 25 20:05:24 served two years Jun 25 20:05:26 mrmoku: thanks Jun 25 20:05:27 went home only once Jun 25 20:05:38 and got abused a tortured ;) Jun 25 20:05:39 PaulFertser: sys.argv[2] is highest index it uses Jun 25 20:05:40 * DocScrutinizer leaving, pissed Jun 25 20:05:41 PaulFertser, is you car still driveable? Jun 25 20:05:56 lindi-: which version? Jun 25 20:06:05 dcordes, btw, girls only serve for two yers... Jun 25 20:06:19 dcordes, btw, girls only serve for two yers... Jun 25 20:06:22 :) Jun 25 20:06:28 the whole beard thing sounds funny. Jun 25 20:06:30 PaulFertser: 4.42-1 Jun 25 20:06:36 playya: sure, i fixed it a week ago. To buy the licence to use it illegally one doesn't have to even show the car to anybody. Jun 25 20:06:40 so it's part discrimination only Jun 25 20:06:48 hehe yeah. Jun 25 20:06:58 and btw Jun 25 20:07:00 I also heard about the russian military service being sick Jun 25 20:07:01 if you are a soldier Jun 25 20:07:25 lindi-: how are you supposed to remove the bonding then? Jun 25 20:07:28 yeah, I guess that's the worst Jun 25 20:07:32 anyhow, I'm off. Jun 25 20:07:34 ciao ppl Jun 25 20:07:42 mrmoku, will bug you tomorrow about the fso-abyss :) Jun 25 20:07:42 sorry.. if you are a soldier? Jun 25 20:07:52 PaulFertser: no idea Jun 25 20:07:54 doesn't seem to finish. Jun 25 20:08:02 dcordes, ? Jun 25 20:08:07 anyhow, ciao. Jun 25 20:08:13 nvm cya Jun 25 20:08:18 PaulFertser: ah, it doesn't read the third argument, but it checks if it is given Jun 25 20:08:25 lindi-: exactly Jun 25 20:08:33 talk about usability :P Jun 25 20:08:38 PaulFertser: is it still so that you learn how to use weapons in school? Jun 25 20:08:56 mickey|linuxtag, were you able to demonstrate some touch pro action? Jun 25 20:09:02 (for boys) + being a nurse for girls? Jun 25 20:09:09 PaulFertser: anyways, can't retest anymore. the headset battery is empty Jun 25 20:09:15 bumbl: nope, not mandatory and probably most schools lack the equipment. At least nothing like that was in my school and all my friends' schools. Jun 25 20:09:20 lindi-: :-/ Jun 25 20:09:35 bumbl: boys learn to be a nurse for girls ? that could be interesting :) Jun 25 20:09:50 lindi-: that headset i was going to test is also not exactly operable because one of the batteries is fubared, can't charge it. Jun 25 20:10:10 sounds like a dirty game Jun 25 20:10:35 wpwrak: ;) you know how it was meant Jun 25 20:10:40 TAsn, ok Jun 25 20:11:07 PaulFertser: at least that was what my russian teacher told me back when i learnt the few bits i know. she was at school during the cold war though Jun 25 20:11:09 bumbl: there was a funny story in my brothers school though. We usually have some "work" classes where boys use various tools to make chairs/knifes/whistles/whatever and girls do cooking, making clothes etc. Jun 25 20:11:34 Ainulindale, * Cette adresse email est déjà utilisée. Veuillez en indiquer une autre. Jun 25 20:11:46 hahaha Jun 25 20:11:55 Ok I'll delete your current account Jun 25 20:11:59 thanks Jun 25 20:12:39 Done mrmoku Jun 25 20:12:46 bumbl: but my brother's school lacked a man who could tell the boys about proper tools. So they decided that boys should also cook. In fact cooking was fun, because they could it the stuff after the cooking. But when they started making clothes all boys said they had enough and refused to continue. Girls looked at boys at said the same thing. They didn't have "work" classes anymore. :D Jun 25 20:13:17 Ainulindale, still the same Jun 25 20:13:17 haha Jun 25 20:13:19 nice Jun 25 20:13:40 dcordes_: no one actually comes and stops by, but some ask and I'll tell them it's a great data dongle, but that I see tough problems in getting it to a finished state wrt. kernel Jun 25 20:13:53 s/I'll/I did/ Jun 25 20:13:53 mickey|linuxtag meant: dcordes_: no one actually comes and stops by, but some ask and I did tell them it's a great data dongle, but that I see tough problems in getting it to a finished state wrt. kernel Jun 25 20:14:00 mrmoku: weird Jun 25 20:14:18 retry again please Jun 25 20:14:40 it replaced my neo as internet device, but can't replace it as a phone... yet Jun 25 20:14:55 Ainulindale, no Jun 25 20:15:16 Crap, you don't have any account anymore Jun 25 20:15:21 mickey|linuxtag, it's just a matter of time. you should state it more positively :)= Jun 25 20:15:39 Ainulindale, maybe it takes some time for patchwork to understand that :P Jun 25 20:15:48 mrmoku: hmmmm three accounts Jun 25 20:15:50 Now it should be good Jun 25 20:15:57 :) Jun 25 20:16:07 yeah... good now :D Jun 25 20:16:12 * mrmoku waiting for mail Jun 25 20:16:22 dcordes_: i'd love to, but i have a hard time. some are potential customers -- there's no way i can guarantee they will have audio or wifi or even suspend/resume until HTC stops selling this device. Jun 25 20:16:32 patchwork is installed? Jun 25 20:16:34 s/until/before/ Jun 25 20:16:35 mickey|linuxtag meant: dcordes_: i'd love to, but i have a hard time. some are potential customers -- there's no way i can guarantee they will have audio or wifi or even suspend/resume before HTC stops selling this device. Jun 25 20:16:42 mrmoku: I enabled you Jun 25 20:16:43 and when htc stops selling this device, we're too late. Jun 25 20:16:54 and then the next round begins Jun 25 20:17:09 eternal catchup Jun 25 20:17:23 anti-vendor-ports either need to run faster to completion or we need to hope for more open devices... Jun 25 20:17:36 choose either one ;) Jun 25 20:17:50 Ainulindale, ok... can login now. Thanks Jun 25 20:18:03 :-) Jun 25 20:18:09 mickey|linuxtag: from the Steve's announcment it looked like they're founding a company to fund reverse-engineered ports to make good development devices out of mass-market hardware :) Jun 25 20:18:23 I set you up as maintainer & admin :-) Jun 25 20:18:28 mickey|linuxtag, you can't have it all Jun 25 20:18:32 PaulFertser: i don't know whether we can read this from the announcement, but I'd be glad if it was so Jun 25 20:18:46 mickey|linuxtag, one could pump some money into such anti-vendor projects ;) Jun 25 20:18:50 dcordes_: i know that. but customers want. Jun 25 20:18:51 mrmoku: which url is it ? Jun 25 20:18:52 mickey|linuxtag: i'm good at misunderstanding, probably i succeded this time too :D Jun 25 20:19:01 PaulFertser: hehe Jun 25 20:19:16 dcordes_: the problem is the non-linearity Jun 25 20:19:19 it might take a week to tackle audio Jun 25 20:19:22 it might take a month Jun 25 20:19:25 or might take a year Jun 25 20:19:33 by then the port is essentially worthless Jun 25 20:19:39 (depending on project goals) Jun 25 20:19:55 mickey|linuxtag: is disassembling WM drivers _that_ hard and unpredictable? Jun 25 20:20:08 mickey|linuxtag, true. but I don't see the 'customer' in the whole htc-linux/other anti-vendor thing? Jun 25 20:20:11 PaulFertser: i'm afraid so Jun 25 20:20:15 I see users Jun 25 20:20:44 dcordes_: well, i'm looking for more Jun 25 20:21:29 spaetz, http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/ Jun 25 20:21:34 if something like FSO wants to survive, we need to be deployed on more than just a couple of enthusiasts' machines. Jun 25 20:21:44 so i'm looking for professional partnerships Jun 25 20:21:53 mickey|linuxtag, you wanna sell raphael with gnu/linux only? Jun 25 20:21:56 and folks who want to invest money in FOSS Jun 25 20:22:02 mickey|linuxtag: I hav econtacts with UBLOX Jun 25 20:22:04 (geotate) Jun 25 20:22:05 mickey|linuxtag: for some reason i suspect that one talented RE-minded funded developer can change a lot in any anti-vendor port. Jun 25 20:22:05 that would be one business plan. Jun 25 20:22:20 thanks Jun 25 20:22:35 PaulFertser: yes, but apparantly either the incentives are not enough or these guys are just too busy Jun 25 20:22:54 I have been watching RE in mobile since nearly a decade now Jun 25 20:22:57 what's an RE-minded funded developer? Jun 25 20:23:01 and i don't see a fundamental increase in speed Jun 25 20:23:19 [and success, for that matter] Jun 25 20:23:45 off all those works, not a single one was ever _completed_ Jun 25 20:23:47 mickey|linuxtag: do you think there was a funded effort? Jun 25 20:24:04 mickey|linuxtag: i mean that the guy could spend a month continiously hacking? Jun 25 20:24:21 PaulFertser: probably not, but hey Jun 25 20:24:26 i give you an example Jun 25 20:24:41 Laf0rge and some guys have been working for months now on the gnufiish Jun 25 20:24:45 and still they can't talk to the modem Jun 25 20:25:02 it's non-linear Jun 25 20:25:10 mickey|linuxtag: afaict (judging by his blog) it's lack of time. Jun 25 20:25:12 so i don't expect funding to help a _lot_ Jun 25 20:25:14 And concentration. Jun 25 20:25:59 RE is something that requires real dedication and experience. And time. Jun 25 20:26:57 And it's not very funny, i see it as mostly frustrating because you do something stupid. Dissasembling when someone has the source is just unfun. Jun 25 20:27:16 yep Jun 25 20:28:01 But there're guys who like it. Mark Russinovich of MS is a good example. It seems it's ok for him that even being an MS employee he occasionally needs to start SoftICE or whatever. Jun 25 20:29:20 true, but i'm afraid the whole RE is doomed, if it really needs funding. Jun 25 20:29:36 because then a company will probably rather go with a more closed system that costs less Jun 25 20:29:50 so it's doomed to remain a hobbyists thing Jun 25 20:29:56 mickey|linuxtag: and i thought Harald and guys almost got there, they miss only some small detail, probably a weekend of work. At least it seemed to me after reading the wikipages. Jun 25 20:29:56 which -- don't understand me wrong -- is great and all that Jun 25 20:30:53 yeah Jun 25 20:30:59 the term "almost there" scares me Jun 25 20:31:03 especially in RE... Jun 25 20:31:43 mickey|linuxtag: you can tell that building a good CAD system is doomed. Or other huge stuff. So many projects were funded one way or another... Jun 25 20:33:19 * PaulFertser wished raster was here to tell us about when RE can be profitable and when it's doomed :) Jun 25 20:34:02 well, perhaps Palm Pre Jun 25 20:34:10 that's the thing i have most hopes right now Jun 25 20:34:22 *shrug* Jun 25 20:34:58 mickey|linuxtag: hey tiny question Jun 25 20:35:11 # Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, Jun 25 20:35:11 # and have 6 and 6 different commit(s) each, respectively. Jun 25 20:35:17 How would I solve that? Jun 25 20:35:47 not the git expert here, but what does an explicit git merge does? Jun 25 20:36:08 Ainulindale: rebase? Jun 25 20:36:32 try git stash and then either rebase or merge Jun 25 20:36:34 Ainulindale, git pull? Jun 25 20:36:37 just be sure your changes are save Jun 25 20:36:44 Ok merged solve that :-) Jun 25 20:36:49 good Jun 25 20:36:50 Hahaha so many good git-foo advices at the same time. Poor Ainulindale :D Jun 25 20:37:14 mrmoku: a pull would've done a merge in this case Jun 25 20:37:18 yep Jun 25 20:37:26 * ferric waves to Ainulindale Jun 25 20:37:35 Hey ferric Jun 25 20:37:39 Long time no see :-) Jun 25 20:37:46 I know - how's it going? Jun 25 20:38:08 Fine thanks and you? Jun 25 20:38:49 pretty good. just dropping by to say hi. need to pull out my 1973 again, soon. :) Jun 25 20:39:12 hug and cuddle it Jun 25 20:39:21 it's slow but it works Jun 25 20:39:48 ferric: good! Can't wait for you to work with us on it :-p Jun 25 20:40:09 mickey|linuxtag: do you by any chance know if the list of hardware problems with gta01 wrt power consumption is available somewhere (probably in some head)? Jun 25 20:41:10 PaulFertser: Andy Jun 25 20:41:16 i'm afraid not even that Jun 25 20:41:27 harald might be the only one who knows Jun 25 20:41:29 andy has no idea Jun 25 20:41:32 yeah, if at all Jun 25 20:41:33 he came much later Jun 25 20:41:36 iirc Jun 25 20:42:09 probably skimming internal ML would help Jun 25 20:42:46 is there a new fancy replacement for opkg in shr? Jun 25 20:42:50 Ainulindale: i'll probably run Android :P Jun 25 20:42:57 playya_: no :( Jun 25 20:43:00 aargh, nah Jun 25 20:43:14 hmm Jun 25 20:43:15 ferric: I hate you :-) Jun 25 20:43:36 Ainulindale: just kidding. Real MenTM use SHR, right? Jun 25 20:43:40 i just added some cornucopia stuff and vim,... but opkg ist missing Jun 25 20:43:50 ferric: :-) Jun 25 20:44:21 ferric: free men at least :-) Jun 25 20:44:24 men using fso-minimal and cli-framework Jun 25 20:44:34 that's the spirit Jun 25 20:44:34 mad men! Jun 25 20:44:47 real men using a pipe and cat Jun 25 20:45:11 AT%BAN playya_ Jun 25 20:45:21 :/ Jun 25 20:45:25 :-) Jun 25 20:45:28 Ainulindale: Android is free too, tho. just not gpl. Jun 25 20:45:39 ferric: you heard me right anyway :-) Jun 25 20:45:41 any ideas how to install opkg without opkg? Jun 25 20:45:49 playya: I'm smoking cigs and my cat doesn't like that kind of treatment ;-) Jun 25 20:45:56 Ainulindale: haha, how is SHR these days? Jun 25 20:46:08 fine thanks it's working quite well Jun 25 20:46:14 good, open, cheap. pick two Jun 25 20:46:53 Ainulindale: cool. hopefully I'll get to play with it soon. is wurp2|lazy around these days? Jun 25 20:46:56 mickey|linuxtag: I don't like that :-) Jun 25 20:47:04 Ainulindale: me neither... Jun 25 20:47:07 ferric: Yeah but he just went on week-end :-) Jun 25 20:47:20 Ainulindale: on a Thursday! that bastard. Jun 25 20:47:25 mickey|linuxtag: judging by Harald's blog Palm's attitude to kernel work is utter crap. Jun 25 20:47:35 ferric: well he's ameriican, hence a bastard :-) Jun 25 20:47:41 Ainulindale: haha Jun 25 20:48:08 PaulFertser: possible. but we don't have the luxury to care Jun 25 20:48:16 Ainulindale, did you read Treviños mail? Jun 25 20:48:20 at least they use alsa Jun 25 20:48:20 so we have auidio Jun 25 20:48:22 *cough* Jun 25 20:48:36 not some libandroid-super-secret-audio-fsck-off.so.0.0.0 Jun 25 20:48:36 mrmoku: which one? Jun 25 20:48:41 *shrug* Jun 25 20:48:43 Lately I have 140 unread mails on SHR Jun 25 20:48:57 The one informing us that his patches hit upstream Jun 25 20:49:03 so time to bump EFL again ;) Jun 25 20:49:22 Wooooooh Jun 25 20:49:25 That's GREAT news Jun 25 20:49:37 Will you do the honors? Jun 25 20:49:46 will try that locally first though Jun 25 20:49:52 Nah be a mad man :-) Jun 25 20:49:57 (You're right) Jun 25 20:51:53 and I built upstart locally... just to spend some time on it :P Jun 25 20:52:01 (because I'm a very mad man) Jun 25 20:52:07 upstart? Jun 25 20:52:13 init replacement Jun 25 20:52:30 ah yes Jun 25 20:52:32 forgot about that one Jun 25 20:53:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re9d65eede53c 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: alsa_audio: throw INVALID_PARAMETER instead of INVALID_SCENARIO Jun 25 20:53:32 Ainulindale, ahh... scenario... talking about scenario Jun 25 20:53:44 hehe Jun 25 20:54:05 your path change is causing lots of grief Jun 25 20:54:19 I know but we needed that path change anyway for our custom scenarii Jun 25 20:54:29 isn't there like three scenario file paths now? Jun 25 20:54:33 anyone knows how to register an object under multiple names? Jun 25 20:54:33 (dbus) Jun 25 20:54:36 I thought about putting a link temporarily but I'd rather patch software Jun 25 20:54:54 yeah... but we have to do that Jun 25 20:55:04 Well I know Jun 25 20:55:24 Sadly I don't think we can afford to mention openmoko explicitely in our core system as we aim to be distinct Jun 25 20:55:31 Your guess is as good as mine Jun 25 20:56:51 Ainulindale, other question... I made a recipe for shr-launcher Jun 25 20:57:04 which is a launcher from chandler (intone author) Jun 25 20:57:12 where do I put that? into shr? Jun 25 20:57:40 hmm... yeah, think so Jun 25 20:58:35 errr Jun 25 20:58:40 yes I think you can do that Jun 25 21:10:52 A great "missed call" notifier in current shr-u image :-) Jun 25 21:12:09 what is the correct way to override a PREFERRED_VERSION and build from git instead? Jun 25 21:12:14 http://pastebin.com/d176b9d6 I want to add the header files at the end to the package, what do i have to wirte into the .bb file? I tried FILES_${PN} =+ "${datadir}/webkit-1.0/webkit/" but that doesn't work Jun 25 21:13:27 Heinervdm, local is your problem I think Jun 25 21:13:46 datadir should point to /usr/share and webkit installs the stuff in /usr/local/share it looks Jun 25 21:14:08 Heinervdm, and then it is += not =+ Jun 25 21:14:20 ok Jun 25 21:16:10 mrmoku: exemple for libgee Jun 25 21:16:26 s/xe/xa/ Jun 25 21:16:27 Ainulindale meant: mrmoku: example for libgee Jun 25 21:16:29 Or navit I think Jun 25 21:16:32 You put the full PV Jun 25 21:16:38 with SRCREV and all Jun 25 21:16:50 version is based on PV Jun 25 21:17:50 ahh... stupid me... yeah saw that Jun 25 21:17:54 thanks Jun 25 21:56:39 hi mickey|linuxtag Jun 25 21:56:48 hey Deubeuliou Jun 25 21:56:48 how is the linuxtag going ? Jun 25 21:57:15 I'll send my libframeworkd-phonegui summary in a few seconds :) Jun 25 21:59:11 not bad so far Jun 25 21:59:16 we have some time for hacking Jun 25 22:01:57 what conferences did you attend ? Jun 25 22:02:01 *which Jun 25 22:05:33 only talk i heard was Matthias Ettrich (R&D Qt Software) about QML (new markup language for fluid UIs) Jun 25 22:05:38 that one was quite cool Jun 25 22:05:55 might take a look at that for my supercool dialer ;) Jun 25 22:11:11 fuild as in size-independant ? Jun 25 22:12:54 not necessarily, rather moving Jun 25 22:13:03 QML is something like flash for Qt widgets Jun 25 22:14:14 noooo. not Qt please Jun 25 22:17:22 why not? :) Jun 25 22:20:18 mickey|linuxtag: ok. I confused with "liquid" Jun 25 23:01:15 what's the task that adds gcc etc in the image? there was task-native-sdk back in the zaurus day **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 26 02:59:57 2009