**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 09 10:11:52 2009 Jul 09 10:15:04 Ainulindale: can you ping me when the image is ready please ? Jul 09 10:15:19 yes Jul 09 10:22:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra2dfde0fb46a 10/ (ChangeLog setup.py): this is milestone 5.5 Jul 09 10:54:45 hi um i'm puzzeled perhaps i have no 'sent ' smses but im trying to determine if i have any. Jul 09 10:55:09 if i use RetrieveMessagebook("sent"... i get nothing Jul 09 11:20:10 try "all" Jul 09 11:21:09 the neotheme is pretty fast Jul 09 11:21:12 Although color sucks Jul 09 11:21:56 Ainulindale: did all and i only get 'read' Jul 09 11:26:04 Ainulindale, neotheme? the green one? Jul 09 11:26:18 yeah Jul 09 11:27:28 btw, i heard there is some theme that works good and fast with SOFTWARE_16 Engine.... heard anything about it? Jul 09 11:27:36 F4t: the one I just named Jul 09 11:27:43 http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/ Jul 09 11:28:05 but but... its greeennnn Jul 09 11:28:12 I know Jul 09 11:28:14 Fork it Jul 09 11:28:18 Change it to blue Jul 09 11:28:27 Grey/blue should be nice Jul 09 11:30:35 Ainulindale: FYI ms5.5 changed the sound theme Jul 09 11:30:48 You might want to check it out Jul 09 11:31:12 Ainulindale, so theres no way to make it faster except changing the theme to monochrome? :_/ Jul 09 11:31:57 F4t: You can try changing the LCM and X to QVGA Jul 09 11:32:02 That will boost speed Jul 09 11:34:42 F4t: not at all Jul 09 11:34:47 changing it to software 16 is the key Jul 09 11:34:54 If it isn't monochrome it'll look ugly Jul 09 11:35:03 alphaone: I fear I won't like it :-) Jul 09 11:36:01 http://discarded-ideas.org/files/hiop_openmoko-1.1.tar.gz Jul 09 11:36:21 It's nothing like arkanoid Jul 09 11:38:03 Hi *. Does someone know if the compat oabi setting has been re-enabled in shr-u gta01 kernel ? Jul 09 11:39:21 alphaone: checking that Jul 09 11:39:27 rtp: No idea :-) Jul 09 11:40:32 Ainulindale: :( Jul 09 11:43:43 alphaone: kraftwerk ? Jul 09 11:43:59 Ainulindale: female-ringtone.wav and female-message.wav are the interesting ones Jul 09 11:44:07 kraftwerk? Jul 09 11:44:14 It sounds as kraftwerk Jul 09 11:44:28 Ainulindale: what does? Jul 09 11:44:34 Ainulindale: btw, did you consider using jffs2+lzo instead of jffs2+zlib ? Jul 09 11:44:37 hiop is from wansti Jul 09 11:44:41 raster, the link you gave me talks about "holiday jobs" which is nice, but not what I'm looking for :) anyhow thanks, I'll google more about it/ask the embassy. Jul 09 11:44:42 alphaone: Well Jul 09 11:44:50 Just listened to that Jul 09 11:44:54 I have to say Jul 09 11:45:03 It's not any kind of significant improvement Jul 09 11:45:06 Plus now I want to pee Jul 09 11:45:20 heh Jul 09 11:45:24 why now? Jul 09 11:45:28 Btw, does SOFTWARE_16 mean 16 colors? Jul 09 11:45:33 Because it pissed me off somehow :-) Jul 09 11:46:02 alphaone: can't you have normal tastes? :-) Jul 09 11:46:28 :D Jul 09 11:46:37 TAsn: what are you looking for? Jul 09 11:46:39 this soundset rocks Jul 09 11:46:51 Normal like Baguette and cheese? Jul 09 11:47:10 mmmmm cheese Jul 09 11:47:17 sssh Jul 09 11:47:20 fredrin, I'm a uk citizen and I'm trying to find out if and how I can move to australia :) Jul 09 11:47:21 getting hungr Jul 09 11:47:21 y Jul 09 11:47:34 (not sure that's what I want to do, just looking into it) Jul 09 11:47:37 sure you can Jul 09 11:48:13 fredrin, I probably can as any other person in the world, though I'm trying to see if I get any special treatment because I'm a uk citizen :) Jul 09 11:48:25 F4t, 16bit... Jul 09 11:48:26 problems comes if you're going to work and visa, and it depends how long you're going to stay Jul 09 11:48:39 fredrin, I want to work :) Jul 09 11:48:50 and I don't know yet how long I want to stay for. Jul 09 11:48:54 a couple of years probably Jul 09 11:48:59 and if everything will be good Jul 09 11:49:01 lifetime? :) Jul 09 11:49:05 TAsn: work visa is one year i think Jul 09 11:49:16 australia? Jul 09 11:49:20 but if you got a job on the internets, things could be different Jul 09 11:49:21 F4t, aye. Jul 09 11:49:40 fredrin, I'm talking about a local job. Jul 09 11:49:48 not an internet job. Jul 09 11:50:18 black or white job? I think that's when the problem starts, but you can always get married Jul 09 11:50:33 white Jul 09 11:50:35 but i'm no expert, never been there Jul 09 11:50:37 and no marriage, yet. Jul 09 11:50:37 :) Jul 09 11:51:12 but since you're from the UK you will not the the last one in the que :) Jul 09 11:52:11 but if you find a job first and the company wants you, they can probably fix the paperwork esier than you, since a local company got more contacts Jul 09 11:52:20 that's for sure. Jul 09 11:54:32 alphaone: baguettes are awesome Jul 09 11:54:44 ;-) Jul 09 11:54:57 For your soundset the neo theme would be good Jul 09 11:54:59 Plus it's fast Jul 09 11:56:08 neo theme? Jul 09 11:56:30 http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/ Jul 09 11:56:51 alphaone: reaaaaaally fast Jul 09 11:56:55 but reaaaaaaaaaally ugly too Jul 09 11:57:08 At least to me Jul 09 11:57:15 I'd like to fork it into gray and blue Jul 09 11:58:11 Ainulindale, really ugly is an understatement Jul 09 11:58:13 :) Jul 09 11:59:20 with ugly I agree :-) Jul 09 12:04:17 Ainulindale, did you update the pyphonelog package? Jul 09 12:05:56 yes I did Jul 09 12:06:00 Hey guys Jul 09 12:06:02 I was wondering Jul 09 12:06:10 How come the loading of our dialer is so slow? Jul 09 12:06:49 It's just a simple screen Jul 09 12:07:03 Ainulindale: build a version with debug symbols, run oprofile and you'll get the answer :) Jul 09 12:10:04 Ainulindale, aye, thought about it myself as well. Jul 09 12:13:19 rtp: oprofile? Didn't know about that Jul 09 12:13:41 Which package does it come with? Jul 09 12:13:55 0.234291 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 0) = 0 <0.000630> <= hmpf Jul 09 12:15:16 1.868371 gettimeofday({1247141512, 733937}, NULL) = 0 <0.000551> <= !!!! Jul 09 12:15:26 What's that shitty call? Jul 09 12:16:37 Ainulindale, the real question is this: Jul 09 12:16:44 ** (process:4305): DEBUG: Trying to get the system bus Jul 09 12:16:44 2 seconds for gettimeofday? :D Jul 09 12:16:54 why the heck does it connect to dbus? Jul 09 12:17:06 Well how would you place a call without dbus? Jul 09 12:17:11 TELL ME THAT MORON! =) Jul 09 12:17:22 Ainulindale, oh right. Jul 09 12:17:24 stfu :) Jul 09 12:17:27 :-) Jul 09 12:17:30 forgot we use dbus for calls :) Jul 09 12:17:48 Ainulindale: forget about oprofile, it's possible that it doesn't support s3c platforms :( Jul 09 12:17:51 Ainulindale, you see? because of this kind of abuse I want to move to australia Jul 09 12:17:52 ;) Jul 09 12:19:15 Hmmm Jul 09 12:19:25 I think it's due to quickdev's messaging system between the threads Jul 09 12:19:45 ~seen quickdev Jul 09 12:19:45 TAsn: i haven't seen 'quickdev' Jul 09 12:19:54 void async_trigger(void (*cb)(), void *userdata) { pipe_write(pipe_handler, cb, userdata); Jul 09 12:20:18 ~seen watchmen Jul 09 12:20:19 F4t: i haven't seen 'watchmen' Jul 09 12:20:24 bzzbot, too bad Jul 09 12:20:26 :D Jul 09 12:22:07 tracfeed: Ticket #547 (Many of the phonegui screens don't handle different screen sizes correctly) created Jul 09 12:23:53 Ainulindale, Jul 09 12:23:57 mind if I close http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/541 Jul 09 12:24:11 as upstream + comment that Mofi is no longer supported? :) Jul 09 12:24:36 Ainulindale, I sent a mail in shr-user concerning mofi euthanasia, no one seemed to be against it. Jul 09 12:24:56 we are checking for an alternative atm, looks like it'll be mokonnect Jul 09 12:25:09 TAsn: I saw that mail I have nothing against or for it Jul 09 12:25:15 TAsn: So it's ok with me Jul 09 12:25:19 cool. Jul 09 12:27:20 Ainulindale: So what have you done with the G1 upto now? Jul 09 12:27:22 tracfeed: Ticket #541 (MoFi disables usb0 permanently) closed Jul 09 12:27:27 And what are you planning to do? Jul 09 12:27:50 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r8cc88c9c0288 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): celldb: update from cellhunter Jul 09 12:30:08 tracfeed: Ticket #404 (ophonekitd crashes with ** WARNING **: error: TODO ...) closed Jul 09 12:33:39 alphaone: ultimately be able to run SHR & H:1 Jul 09 12:33:52 Ok guys quick & stupid question here Jul 09 12:34:00 Inter thread communication Jul 09 12:34:16 What would you do in order to have good performances? Jul 09 12:35:19 raster: FYI my question is about glib/e so if you have a piece of advice here... :-) Jul 09 12:38:19 Damn guys Jul 09 12:38:29 I have the article we collaboratively wrote in my hands Jul 09 12:38:39 There's a weird guy called Mickey Lauer in it Jul 09 12:38:43 with his picture Jul 09 12:52:36 hi there Jul 09 12:53:02 Hmm, seems shr-settings is broken Jul 09 12:55:53 How broken? Jul 09 12:56:08 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07libgsm0710mux * rc6f65c15f21f 10/gsm0710mux/multiplexer.vala: Jul 09 12:56:08 freesmartphone.org: Reset the timeout only when sending Jul 09 12:56:08 freesmartphone.org: When the Calypso sends unsolicited messages it will go back to deep Jul 09 12:56:08 freesmartphone.org: sleep right away. This patch will reset the communication timeout only Jul 09 12:56:09 freesmartphone.org: if we are sending data to the modem, not if we're receiving data. Jul 09 12:56:11 freesmartphone.org: Note: This should probably become a configuration option. Jul 09 12:56:35 Ainulindale: If I go to profiles the page seems weirdly broken Jul 09 12:56:35 which file in the kernel sources contains the accelerometer driver? Jul 09 12:56:39 and incomplete Jul 09 12:57:06 or the userspace implementation part of it Jul 09 12:57:23 doxy2: drivers/input/misc/lis302dl.c Jul 09 12:59:27 PaulFertser: thanks. btw, you were right about the dbus problem i had. it was indeed about the global dbus permissions Jul 09 13:01:04 a minor problem if it comes to dbus Jul 09 13:03:55 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r002f4687baa2 10/tools/dump_cell_db.py: add tool to dump the binary cell db Jul 09 13:06:42 alphaone, Ainulindale: shr-settings is broken, I see it too Jul 09 13:07:05 yay, it's not just me! Jul 09 13:07:42 posted here ~3 hrs ago and no-one else jumped in so I thought it was just me :) Jul 09 13:08:06 ah Jul 09 13:15:02 version? Jul 09 13:16:05 20090703u w/o upgrade no problems with profile-settings Jul 09 13:16:47 happened today when I upgraded (local build) - have not Jul 09 13:17:08 been able to build an image until today as intone was broke until then Jul 09 13:17:34 DocScrutinizer: Version: 0.1.1+r292+894d14df096ba9dbcefe765fe3c0ba3c49c33733-r6 Jul 09 13:17:40 local build Jul 09 13:17:45 from yesterday Jul 09 13:18:50 same hash as mine Jul 09 13:20:09 DocScrutinizer: What's your version Jul 09 13:20:38 dl of 20090703 image Jul 09 13:23:08 could http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commitdiff;h=6aae692e147f839d07faa5305674b34f5cb4c60a;hp=67f15d9bd81767ba327da34146ab18b82f9322dd be the culprit? Jul 09 13:33:22 mickeyl: the newspaper is out Jul 09 13:33:26 mickeyl: your picture looks great :-) Jul 09 13:33:40 uh oh ;) Jul 09 13:34:08 Ainulindale, what are you talking about all the time? Jul 09 13:34:18 Ainulindale: which newspaper ? :) Jul 09 13:34:20 (concerning articles/newspapers) Jul 09 13:34:36 We wrote an article in the french linux magazine Jul 09 13:34:43 28 pages on OE/SHR/FSO/H:1 Jul 09 13:34:52 Will be in CC in 4 month Jul 09 13:35:14 :) Jul 09 13:35:41 Ainulindale, I hope they didn't put a picture of you in there too :P Jul 09 13:35:50 Of course they did Jul 09 13:35:59 Naked picture Jul 09 13:36:19 man I don't need that in my head first thing in the morning Jul 09 13:36:36 Ainulindale, ftw, 28 pages? Jul 09 13:36:38 about what? Jul 09 13:36:49 well how to develop on a GTA02 Jul 09 13:36:59 28 pages?! Jul 09 13:37:09 how to use OE, how to develop on SHR, how to develop with FSO and create a new subsystem and all Jul 09 13:37:11 yes Jul 09 13:37:25 okie. Jul 09 13:39:15 Ainulindale: you still didn't give the newspaper name :) Jul 09 13:39:55 GLMF Jul 09 13:39:59 Gnu/Linux Magazine France Jul 09 13:40:08 But you must know that :-) Jul 09 13:40:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rd8f049f3f004 10/TODO: add TODO file Jul 09 13:40:37 Ainulindale: could have been linux pratique or other newspaper like that :) Jul 09 13:42:47 bah who speaks french anyway ;) Jul 09 13:42:57 * bumbl runs Jul 09 13:42:58 rtp: naaaaaaaah :-) Jul 09 13:44:14 Ainulindale: hehe :) Jul 09 13:48:11 Feed updated Jul 09 13:49:31 TAsn wrote to my bug report, that MoFi is to be replaced, so it makes no sense to put any effort to fix it? Jul 09 13:50:26 rainglasz, I don't think so :) Jul 09 13:50:41 mofi is still an open source project, it's not dead, just won't be used in shr :) Jul 09 13:50:47 (by default) Jul 09 13:51:00 that's why it won't be supported by the shr team Jul 09 13:51:09 What is the sucessor; could I help to test it? Jul 09 13:51:19 there's no successor yet Jul 09 13:51:26 I favor mokonnect (see in wiki) Jul 09 13:51:37 though that's just my opinion. Jul 09 13:51:38 :) Jul 09 13:52:11 By the way Jul 09 13:52:17 I was talking with a guy today about CFLAG Jul 09 13:52:25 It would be interesting to build an -Os image Jul 09 13:52:30 Just to see what it does Jul 09 13:57:27 -Os could have some speed improvements on startup Jul 09 13:57:31 which would be good Jul 09 13:58:00 really? Jul 09 13:58:11 I mean I'm not sure how mature optimization is for the ARM platform Jul 09 13:59:09 My priority is to have a stable way to connect wireless; I think the system is rather slow anyhow. Jul 09 13:59:37 rainglasz, then give mokonnect a try, F4t claims it works great. Jul 09 14:00:10 TAsn, where do I find it? the gforge SVN is empty. Jul 09 14:00:32 there's a package in opkg Jul 09 14:00:33 and Jul 09 14:00:42 sec I'll give you another link Jul 09 14:00:48 anyhow, just talk to F4t he's the developer Jul 09 14:01:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokonnect Jul 09 14:02:17 http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/shrdev/Mokonnect/trunk/ Jul 09 14:02:54 Thanks, I'll try it. Jul 09 14:03:51 np Jul 09 14:05:45 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rc707e105c2ee 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): celldb: skip broken cell ids Jul 09 14:13:27 I think LDFLAGS are more interesting for the Neo. I don't know if the distro maintainer use them though Jul 09 14:14:37 Ainulindale: ↑ Jul 09 14:15:02 This should speed up application startup Jul 09 14:16:48 Flyser, what ld flags? Jul 09 14:16:51 which( Jul 09 14:16:53 * Jul 09 14:17:27 LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1,--as-needed" for example Jul 09 14:23:48 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/31bcc0cd3edc803d8ba5c360a5ebaa55.png Jul 09 14:23:53 I actually like the battery applet Jul 09 14:32:19 TAsn: what theme is thar ? or it is paroli ? Jul 09 14:32:43 i think its Jul 09 14:32:46 http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/ Jul 09 14:41:19 an ipk package for this theme would be nice Jul 09 14:46:17 Heinervdm, a redesign (i.e change of colors) would be better :) Jul 09 14:46:30 TAsn: i like the colors ;) Jul 09 14:49:21 Heinervdm, hello 1999 ;) Jul 09 14:50:49 Matrix ;) Jul 09 14:51:22 exactly. Jul 09 14:51:35 this design became ugly when matrix 2 came out ;] Jul 09 15:25:20 hi Jul 09 15:34:14 mokonnect does not work immediately (cannot find devices in connman). Any hints for dummies? Jul 09 15:36:46 F4t, help rainglasz :) Jul 09 15:36:56 rainglasz, which device it sais is missing? Jul 09 15:37:03 says* Jul 09 15:37:55 rainglasz, make sure you have connmand running, and turn on wifi in settings if you want to see wifi.... Jul 09 15:38:44 F4t, connman is started; it finds neither ethernet nor wifi. Jul 09 15:39:11 rainglasz, do you have connman plugins? connman-plugin-ethernet and connman-plugin-wifi? Jul 09 15:40:54 F4t, but wifi was off :-( Now I see the WiFi bar Jul 09 15:41:50 rainglasz, still no ethernet? double check the connman-plugin-ethernet... Jul 09 15:43:41 F4t, have plugins for wifi, bluetooth etc installed, but not ethernet. Jul 09 15:43:59 rainglasz, opkg install connman-plugin-ethernet Jul 09 15:44:45 F4t, have tried to open Wifi, and have white screen with WiFi device: eth0 on top, and no controls. Jul 09 15:45:07 rainglasz, sounds like the screen after you click apply... Jul 09 15:45:21 F4t, yes. Jul 09 15:46:03 rainglasz, theres currently no timeout, so if theres no network selected, or some details are bad, itll just wait forever for a connection.... close it using the top bar X button... and rerun again... Jul 09 15:48:50 F4t, ok, did install connman-ethernet and restart, now the two error messages have gone. Jul 09 15:50:16 rainglasz, ok, now in wifi screen click on the "scan" button find your network, select it, see that i updates details below the scan button. fill the password if needed and click apply... Jul 09 15:50:32 F4t, now I can scan and see my node, how to enter a password? Jul 09 15:50:48 its in the wifi configuration screen below the authentication button... Jul 09 15:51:01 its initial value is "Password" Jul 09 15:52:34 F4t, did not realize that the word password is a button :-) Jul 09 15:52:53 F4t, its actually an entry for text, not a button, but it should have a frame.. :) Jul 09 15:53:15 F4t, I suggest you add a FAQ section to the wiki page Jul 09 15:53:19 :) Jul 09 15:53:22 as he's not the first one. Jul 09 15:53:29 maybe a quick tutor Jul 09 15:53:29 :) Jul 09 15:55:01 TAsn, will do... Jul 09 15:57:13 ~seen dos1 Jul 09 15:57:14 dos1 was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 9h 8m 18s ago, saying: 'mrmoku|a`: you should patch it ;)'. Jul 09 15:58:58 http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/shrdev/FAQ Jul 09 15:59:03 any other questions? :D Jul 09 15:59:56 F4t, what do you think about australia? Jul 09 16:01:00 F4t, wunderbar. Jul 09 16:02:13 F4t, yes, another remark: I cannot see my password while I type, as the keyboard overlays it. Only way out is to press 'apply', that goes to the white screen without controls. Jul 09 16:03:17 rainglasz: if you drag on the screen it will scroll up Jul 09 16:03:21 F4t, do you have a bug tracker? Jul 09 16:04:31 F4t, now I have completely erased my password, and cannot activate the input, as there is nothing. Can I set the password on the command line / in a config file? Jul 09 16:05:26 rainglasz: you can but you have to click in exactly the right place, you will get a dot as a cursor Jul 09 16:07:39 tig|l, not for me. there is no dot, and I have tried a number of points. Jul 09 16:11:15 mickey|sofa: hey, is it the time to congratulate you on the MS release? :) Jul 09 16:14:00 mickey|sofa: :D Jul 09 16:15:06 rainglasz, you can still scroll the screen to see the password even when the keyboard is out.... Jul 09 16:15:15 TAsn, i have tickets... :) Jul 09 16:15:38 mickey|sofa: gta01-related question: do you send AT@POFF to turn off the modem prior to writing 0 to the sysfs node? Unfortunately it's mandotory on gta01. Jul 09 16:15:43 F4t, I would like to try, but I have erased the password :-( Jul 09 16:15:52 rainglasz, clicking discard, will return you to the menu... and going into the wifi screen again will show back the password... Jul 09 16:16:36 rainglasz, the password is saved only when you click apply while the password is clear... Jul 09 16:16:38 PaulFertser: (ms release) not yet, but as soon as we uploaded the images you can :) Jul 09 16:16:43 F4t, I have used backspaces until the password was empty, and then activated apply, now there is nothing to click on. Jul 09 16:16:57 rainglasz, if you did that, you can edit the config file.... /usr/share/mkconfig.py and change the password there.... Jul 09 16:17:01 PaulFertser: (at@poff) i'm not sure, it's possible that this has somehow vanished from the framework. will take a look Jul 09 16:17:59 rainglasz, I think I don't get you right Jul 09 16:18:02 why don't you enter it again? Jul 09 16:18:06 sorry... /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py Jul 09 16:18:11 F4t, should I file these issues as bugs? Jul 09 16:18:17 mickey|sofa: i'm not sure too but you're the best person to tell for sure if it's there or not :) Jul 09 16:18:29 for sure. I'll check that Jul 09 16:18:51 TAsn, the input field has vanished, if the password is the null string, because it is just a text Jul 09 16:19:13 rainglasz, currently the tickets system can be edited by me only, you can leave a message in the messages tab... ill open a ticket for you... Jul 09 16:19:20 F4t, the config python is a .py? Jul 09 16:19:20 why? Jul 09 16:19:20 that's plain confusing :) Jul 09 16:20:03 mickey|sofa: at least "grep -ri POFF *" gives only an entry in documentation. Jul 09 16:20:24 rainglasz, it should be quite easy to edit /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py and add the password there so you can see it again in gui... Jul 09 16:20:25 F4t, lol, that's dumb ;) Jul 09 16:20:47 PaulFertser: aah, i think i remember Jul 09 16:20:54 gsm0710muxd does the AT@POFF Jul 09 16:20:57 TAsn, just a small side effect of a small defect :-) Jul 09 16:21:07 if you're using abyss it's not done (yet) Jul 09 16:21:15 abyss is close to a 1.0 release Jul 09 16:21:18 (btw) Jul 09 16:23:37 mickey|sofa: will you implement sleep wakeup in the muxer? And what about %CSQ quirk? Jul 09 16:23:41 mickeyl: dbus borked. Jul 09 16:24:19 inbound call while test playing new ringtone from shr-settings Jul 09 16:25:33 mickey|sofa: accepting call worked. But ending call didn't. dialer window stated "active call" and was non-responsive Jul 09 16:26:28 mickey|sofa: interested in any log? Jul 09 16:26:54 rainglasz, TAsn, FAQ updated with latest rainglasz's questions :) http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/shrdev/FAQ Jul 09 16:26:55 mickey|sofa: ooops, it already reboots Jul 09 16:27:22 TAsn, because thats extremely easy to use by the application, yet its still editable by hand.... Jul 09 16:29:57 DocScrutinizer: do you want to comment on community mailing list the question about the caps in the earpiece path? ;) Jul 09 16:30:34 nah Jul 09 16:31:02 I don't read community Jul 09 16:31:22 :D Jul 09 16:31:32 TAsn, why is it dumb? Jul 09 16:34:05 PaulFertser: also I don't think there is *anything* new to be told about that topic Jul 09 16:35:01 DocScrutinizer: i just told the guy that some units have caps instead of R3004/R3005. But i can't provide any prooflink. Well, nevermind. Jul 09 16:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rb96bc3345201 10/TODO: things to do before 1.0 Jul 09 16:35:49 and honestly I feel like a parrot, or - when quoting pipermail-url - like the stupid assistent Jul 09 16:37:21 PaulFertser: google is your friend ;-) Jul 09 16:37:45 DocScrutinizer: ok :D Jul 09 16:41:24 PaulFertser: I'll send you a summary of mails Jul 09 16:42:24 DocScrutinizer: i think you shouldn't bother. Jul 09 16:42:29 PaulFertser: (( "searching... 16512 mails scanned" )) Jul 09 16:42:54 (( " 24354" )) Jul 09 16:44:17 Kontact SEGV :-((( Jul 09 16:44:37 F4t, I was talking about the fact that only you can create tickets :) Jul 09 16:45:36 F4t, have my password field again; but my ability to connect ssh via USB has gone (from Windows). Any idea? Jul 09 16:49:50 rainglasz, its probably because connman took control over the ethernet and now thinks the ip should be given using DHCP... Jul 09 16:49:51 rainglasz, if connman suported static configuration you could use mokonnect to give the normal ip back... but currently just write Jul 09 16:49:54 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 up Jul 09 16:51:37 just "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202" could work too i think... Jul 09 16:52:19 F4t, hurra, worked. Jul 09 16:53:38 F4t, add to faq :) Jul 09 16:57:33 F4t, after correcting the SSID, I could connect; but it did rewrite resolve.conf, and not with the values it got from DHCP. Jul 09 16:58:22 rainglasz, sounds like a dhcp server issue and not mokonnect... Jul 09 16:58:52 TAsn, yes master Jul 09 16:59:21 TAsn, no, DHCP works fine with several other computers; the values for domain and search are 'localdomain' Jul 09 16:59:52 F4t, what were you answering to? (I think I'm too laggy to have a decent conversation here) Jul 09 16:59:54 rainglasz, i c. Jul 09 17:00:15 TAsn, done... Jul 09 17:01:21 oh, you added to FAQ :) Jul 09 17:01:23 cool. ;) Jul 09 17:01:32 thanks. Jul 09 17:01:39 F4t, TAsn, only the nameserver entry came from the DHCP server. Jul 09 17:02:51 rainglasz, thats very odd, it should rewrite resolv.conf with the dhcp values... :-/ Jul 09 17:03:53 rainglasz, thats most likely a connman issue.... Jul 09 17:03:53 btw TAsn, when is shr-unstable will get its upgraded connman... 0.21 is already out.... Jul 09 17:04:23 F4t, TAsn, should I try to upgrade to connman 0.21 first? Jul 09 17:04:29 Ainulindale, mind updating connman? :) Jul 09 17:04:48 im AFK for about an hour..... Jul 09 17:05:11 damn dos1 Jul 09 17:05:28 ~seen dos1 Jul 09 17:05:28 mrmoku|away, mind updating connman? :) Jul 09 17:05:28 dos1 was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 10h 16m 33s ago, saying: 'mrmoku|a`: you should patch it ;)'. Jul 09 17:05:51 ok, I'm laggy. Jul 09 17:05:51 damn it Jul 09 17:05:51 F4t, what freenode mirror do you use? Jul 09 17:16:34 PaulFertser: enjoy ;-P :-S Jul 09 17:18:12 PaulFertser: a nice example for the way how tpe EE cheated even on it's own colleagues Jul 09 17:18:29 DocScrutinizer: yeah, thanks a lot! Jul 09 17:18:38 DocScrutinizer: quite insightful :-/ Jul 09 17:18:48 duh Jul 09 17:18:50 yeah Jul 09 17:22:13 the most funny thing are the pdf-converted excel-tables for bom, which were truncated/crippled on every single pahe's end, and nobody ever noticed :-o Jul 09 17:23:02 so it seems we ultimately lost most of the old bom Jul 09 17:27:53 hey Jul 09 17:27:58 I'm using the freenode webchat Jul 09 17:28:06 as connecting with xchat kills my connection for some reason ;\ Jul 09 17:28:12 actually also with pidgin Jul 09 17:28:19 just connecting without the webchat kills my connection Jul 09 17:29:29 TAsn: blame your carrier Jul 09 17:29:39 I should Jul 09 17:29:40 :) Jul 09 17:29:44 I will Jul 09 17:30:08 I guess you have a web-plan, rather than a internet-plan Jul 09 17:30:13 no Jul 09 17:30:17 I have an internet-plan Jul 09 17:30:22 this is my home computer Jul 09 17:30:29 I don't think there is such thing as non internet plan Jul 09 17:30:39 furthermore, I can connect to other servers Jul 09 17:30:50 and also non irc services Jul 09 17:30:50 :) Jul 09 17:30:51 hmmpf Jul 09 17:31:14 this just sounds like the shabak is trying to keep me away from helping open source software :) Jul 09 17:32:18 I won't utter any statement about what I suspect is going on in Israel's internet Jul 09 17:32:26 haha :) Jul 09 17:32:35 that's why ppl invented ssl/tor Jul 09 17:32:43 though for some reason, freenode doesn't support tor Jul 09 17:32:45 *ssl Jul 09 17:33:21 TAsn: have you tried tcpdumping the connection? Jul 09 17:33:32 TAsn: btw, what did doctor say about your bite? Jul 09 17:33:49 PaulFertser: I thought about tcpdumping my connection, and I will (when i'll have the time) Jul 09 17:33:55 this is very interseting actually. Jul 09 17:34:02 after I try to connect to freenode Jul 09 17:34:16 all I can do is restart my connection (through the modem) Jul 09 17:34:22 as it jacks my connection completely Jul 09 17:34:39 PaulFertser: as for the doctor Jul 09 17:35:09 DocScrutinizer: (sensing non-gta02 batteries) so many possibilities for improvement were lost for no reason except fear of braking something that didn't even work good in the first place :-/ Jul 09 17:35:24 he said I'm ok Jul 09 17:35:32 though he gave me more steroids and antibiotics Jul 09 17:35:35 just in case... Jul 09 17:35:35 exactly - - siiiigh Jul 09 17:36:19 anyhow it's really interesting and I really want to know what the heck is going on with my connection :) Jul 09 17:36:35 weepee Jul 09 17:36:42 mrmoku: please upgrade connman ;) Jul 09 17:36:57 DocScrutinizer: and i assume there're no news about releasing gta03 schematics for no good reason too :( Jul 09 17:37:03 at F4t's request (the mokonnect dev) Jul 09 17:37:15 PaulFertser: ack Jul 09 17:37:17 PaulFertser: I'm waiting for the raster phone ;) Jul 09 17:37:25 raster: give us a phone! Jul 09 17:37:52 TAsn: won't happen Jul 09 17:38:00 anytime soon Jul 09 17:38:13 no money Jul 09 17:38:16 the raster phone? Jul 09 17:38:23 yes Jul 09 17:38:24 DocScrutinizer: that's ok, I don't have money to buy it either :) Jul 09 17:45:58 ciao brb Jul 09 17:46:30 me back Jul 09 17:55:46 whats top posting on a mailing list? Jul 09 17:57:00 F4t, how do I close down a WiFi connection with mokonnect? Jul 09 17:59:10 rainglasz, no such option currently, you can either "ifconfig eth0 down" or power down the wifi device from settings->connectivity in shr Jul 09 18:04:10 Ainulindale, ping Jul 09 18:06:05 Ainulindale, mrmoku: what do you think - should alsa scenarios be conf files? now they gets overwritten on every upgrade (and i don't like defaults) :/ Jul 09 18:07:55 dos1, I don't care - default is fine for me ;) Jul 09 18:10:24 dos1: alsa state files are dead anyway. no use in big effort to improve, the concept is broken from beginning no matter what you do Jul 09 18:10:44 DocScrutinizer: but they are now in use... Jul 09 18:10:51 and it's really annoing :/ Jul 09 18:11:39 yes. that's the point. Annoying thing is apps rely on them Jul 09 18:13:10 no use in messing with them even further, scenarios->scenarii gave a good isea about the impact of any messing with that. the concept can not be improved, no matter what you do it will get worse Jul 09 18:13:35 F4t, tried to switch off Default and Use DHCP form USB network, but this seems to be no good. Is this the famous problem of connman when dealing with static data? Is this better in 0.21? Jul 09 18:13:43 DocScrutinizer: i just want it to not be overwritten on every upgrade, as default one is unusable for me :P Jul 09 18:14:14 so improve the postinstall script in ipkg Jul 09 18:14:41 DocScrutinizer: i think making them conf files in recipe would be enough Jul 09 18:15:02 no idea Jul 09 18:17:00 for now they are clearly read-only, according to their FQN and file system standards, from a user-PoV Jul 09 18:17:50 crappy con Jul 09 18:18:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r666d6291d43a 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_ogsmd_calls.py: opimd: ogsmd-Calls: handle calls with hidden peer number Jul 09 18:18:41 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r51649ddc57c4 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: Backend Manager: don't allow setting backend without ADD property as default Jul 09 18:18:42 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rd83ac1f99630 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: add error handling when handling timestamp Jul 09 18:18:42 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rf3de3aa8f820 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: fix syntax error Jul 09 18:18:44 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r851e0cd575dc 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't list empty fields in content Jul 09 18:18:47 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r2fc12e8cacd2 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework Jul 09 18:19:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * ra1ec0d72a617 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_pim.py: [PIM] don't try to set default backend when it's impossible Jul 09 18:39:03 raster, ping. Jul 09 18:39:31 dos1: here? Jul 09 18:39:38 TAsn: yep Jul 09 18:39:48 how do I fetch all contacts from opimd? Jul 09 18:39:48 :) Jul 09 18:39:59 I'm on an pyphonelog optimization streak... Jul 09 18:40:35 and btw, how's the message domain doing? Jul 09 18:41:23 TAsn: it works for me Jul 09 18:41:40 TAsn: when i have ~1500 messages, it's slow, but it still works for me :D Jul 09 18:42:04 really? Jul 09 18:42:11 is there any reason why not use efl2 then? Jul 09 18:42:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7eb61bdc82a9 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't return private fields in GetContent Jul 09 18:42:30 or more importantly, how can I move to efl2? :) Jul 09 18:42:43 just install and change the config? Jul 09 18:43:05 (I still want to use contacts on sim though) Jul 09 18:43:27 well, anyhow, how can fetch all contacts Jul 09 18:43:27 ?? Jul 09 18:43:48 TAsn, connman in the feed... though something is wrong. It is on AUTOREV Jul 09 18:43:56 and does not build the one from git Jul 09 18:44:01 did that manually now Jul 09 18:44:07 hm.. ;\ Jul 09 18:44:15 F4t: connman is now in the repos :) Jul 09 18:44:17 Ainulindale, ^^ can you take a look? Jul 09 18:44:32 btw Jul 09 18:44:48 what about fsoabyss and fsousage ? are me migrating to both? Jul 09 18:45:17 we* Jul 09 18:45:17 bah Jul 09 18:45:25 TAsn, mrmoku, thanks Jul 09 18:45:27 I've been testing those for over a week now, everything works great :) Jul 09 18:45:49 F4t, np (mrmoku did everything) Jul 09 18:46:46 TAsn: we already migrated ;) Jul 09 18:47:00 hehe, cool :) Jul 09 18:47:09 TAsn: cause efl2 doesn't use opimd for messages :P Jul 09 18:47:13 dos1: what about my Q (about fetching all contacts from opimd) Jul 09 18:47:18 i'm using opimd-utils (my own test scripts) Jul 09 18:47:23 dos1: sucks. :) Jul 09 18:47:26 TAsn: i'll give you python example Jul 09 18:47:35 mrmoku: do you know if there's an image for the fso milestone 5.5 release yet? Jul 09 18:48:16 mrmoku: !!! Jul 09 18:48:23 you raped the contacts app! :( Jul 09 18:48:31 you made the list huge! Jul 09 18:48:35 (efl2) Jul 09 18:51:41 dos1: gimme that python script! :) Jul 09 18:53:18 FiXion_, not that I heard off Jul 09 18:53:33 hm what is the command for gprs connection ? Jul 09 18:53:49 soltys: use shr-settings Jul 09 18:53:49 TAsn, yes, we should migrate to both Jul 09 18:53:59 dos1: i want debug Jul 09 18:54:08 becouse it wont connect ;/ Jul 09 18:54:11 soltys: cat /var/log/frameworkd.conf ;) Jul 09 18:54:15 TAsn, but I'm burried with other stuff :( Jul 09 18:54:16 and logread Jul 09 18:54:25 mrmoku: that's ok :) Jul 09 18:54:27 so am I :) Jul 09 18:54:34 TAsn: http://www.pastebin.org/791 Jul 09 18:54:37 dos1: bah, python script! ;) Jul 09 18:54:37 thanks Jul 09 18:54:40 hehe Jul 09 18:55:05 does suspending gsm modem with deep sleep = never work ok with framework 5.5? Jul 09 18:55:09 TAsn: in interface query you can edit dict to query specific things Jul 09 18:55:44 TAsn: look also at this: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/opimd/opimd-resolve Jul 09 18:55:46 in my case it stucks in suspending state. Jul 09 18:56:18 TAsn: here - http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/opimd/opimd-notifier - is also some kind of contact cache Jul 09 18:56:37 mrmoku: how can i add a patch to my local OE? Jul 09 18:56:42 dos1: hm.. is there a way to pass a list of numbers and get back a list of resolves? :) Jul 09 18:57:50 TAsn: no, but look at resolve_phone function in opimd-notifier Jul 09 18:57:58 saw it Jul 09 18:58:03 (opimd-resolve) Jul 09 18:58:12 TAsn: no, in opimd-notifier :P Jul 09 18:58:15 dos1: blah it do not connect ;/ Jul 09 18:58:25 dos1: it's your fault! Jul 09 18:58:28 :P Jul 09 18:58:53 cool. Jul 09 18:59:11 dos1: has anyone attempted adding opimd support to efl2 messages Jul 09 18:59:12 ? Jul 09 18:59:16 TAsn: oh, change query.GetResultCount()==1 to just query.GetResultCount() Jul 09 18:59:25 it's bad :P Jul 09 18:59:32 i'm changing it now in svn Jul 09 18:59:48 TAsn: dunno, but opimd-utils is good enough for daily use for me Jul 09 19:00:08 well I think you as well aspire to use phonegui, don't you? Jul 09 19:00:29 by the way.. i have a weird simcard which has wrong country code Jul 09 19:00:44 and i'm seeing a lot of recieved calls/messages not being properly resolved Jul 09 19:01:03 tordo: /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf Jul 09 19:01:08 <3 Jul 09 19:01:21 TAsn: with opimd-utils? yes, but in faaaar future :P Jul 09 19:02:04 agg1n1, more conrete? Jul 09 19:02:06 I'm dropping non opimd support from phonelog. Jul 09 19:02:14 no more legacy support for me. Jul 09 19:02:29 connman is still 0.19... ?? :-/ Jul 09 19:02:45 agg1n1, basically you add the patch in a subdir that is named like the package Jul 09 19:02:55 TAsn: do you want to use Calls opimd domain in pyphonelog? Jul 09 19:02:59 and then add it to SRC_URI with ;patch=1 Jul 09 19:03:05 dos1: not yet Jul 09 19:03:10 I'm not sure it's safe yet :) Jul 09 19:03:15 but generally, yeah. :) Jul 09 19:03:29 dos1: btw, do you add indexes to your sqlite databases? Jul 09 19:03:43 because if you are not that might explain the slugginess with messages Jul 09 19:03:48 dos1: thanks, worked like a charm! Jul 09 19:03:53 mrmoku: i want to add a patch to libeflvala, so i added a "files"-directory in recipes directory of libeflvala and in the .bb file i added the filename of the patch to SRC_URI, but it seems that the patch doesn't get applied :/ Jul 09 19:03:53 F4t: it's the git version now Jul 09 19:04:17 Heinervdm, file names are still 0.19, or should it be like that? Jul 09 19:04:57 TAsn: hmm... i thing bootleneck is in opimd, but i'll try with indexes Jul 09 19:05:12 Heinervdm: how correct indexes should look in our sqlite backends? :P Jul 09 19:05:48 F4t: you're getting only the git revision from git and no 0.19 or 0.21. So mrmoku added only the git revision to the version string. It's the current version of connman now Jul 09 19:06:10 dos1: my SQL is bad :D Jul 09 19:06:11 dos1: do you use a view? Jul 09 19:06:11 ok, so its confiusing since u get the gitr and the 0.19 in the name Jul 09 19:06:26 what your's sql query? Jul 09 19:06:33 I can help you design the db better if you need. Jul 09 19:06:34 TAsn: just SELECT * FROM :D Jul 09 19:06:37 hehe Jul 09 19:06:40 no conditions? Jul 09 19:06:41 TAsn: we have 2 Tabels Jul 09 19:06:45 TAsn: good! that's what we need ;) Jul 09 19:06:47 if so, an index won't help Jul 09 19:06:49 :) Jul 09 19:06:59 hehe Jul 09 19:07:05 agg1n1, you have ;patch=1 after the patch in SRC_URI? Jul 09 19:07:15 I think you should consider limiting to let's say 500 messages Jul 09 19:07:16 and then Jul 09 19:07:20 when you scroll down Jul 09 19:07:23 it'll get the next 500 Jul 09 19:07:25 or something :) Jul 09 19:07:35 TAsn: oh, no, i mean loading at boot time Jul 09 19:07:46 opimd loads everything to memory Jul 09 19:07:53 dos1: don't we have an index on the id field? Jul 09 19:08:00 (which is imho bad) Jul 09 19:08:03 Heinervdm: dunno, i'll check Jul 09 19:08:33 Heinervdm, TAsn: id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, Jul 09 19:08:40 nothing more about id field Jul 09 19:08:54 Primary key is an index Jul 09 19:09:01 yeah Jul 09 19:09:05 but just an index does nothing Jul 09 19:09:17 yes :) Jul 09 19:09:18 you need to think about your queries/conditions Jul 09 19:09:25 and choose indexes correctly... Jul 09 19:09:53 TAsn: SELECT * FROM table WHERE id=? Jul 09 19:09:59 hmm... Jul 09 19:10:00 even no Jul 09 19:10:05 mrmoku: yep Jul 09 19:10:10 just SELECT * FROM table WHERE deleted=0; Jul 09 19:10:16 ok Jul 09 19:10:18 and UPDATE ... WHERE id=x; Jul 09 19:10:25 so you should index deleted and id Jul 09 19:10:37 I'm not sure how primary key behaves in sqlite Jul 09 19:10:40 though it should be an index Jul 09 19:10:43 rtfm :) Jul 09 19:10:44 dos1: i think we can remove the deleted und updated field Jul 09 19:11:00 Heinervdm: it's usable for me for testing now ;) Jul 09 19:11:38 dos1: ok :), i added this, because i wanted to sync throug the sqlite db Jul 09 19:12:24 Heinervdm: maybe i'll change UPDATE ... deleted=1 to DELETE now, but querying only deleted=0 is usefull for me Jul 09 19:12:34 deleted field? I thought sql-tables have a thing like this implicitly by default Jul 09 19:12:49 updated isn't usable for me Jul 09 19:13:21 DocScrutinizer: don't know, have it? Jul 09 19:13:31 PURGE Jul 09 19:13:50 dos1: i have prepared ms5.5 release notes. can you add what you know about opimd changes? it's in openmoko.org wiki -> OpenmokoFramework Status Report 7 Jul 09 19:14:23 mickeyl: ok, will do Jul 09 19:14:28 thanks Jul 09 19:18:13 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r83e3352845e7 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (3 files): opimd: SQLite-*, remove added and updated fields, DELETE from db instead of setting deleted field to 1. Jul 09 19:21:04 hm.. dos Jul 09 19:21:12 the use of opimd slowed everything down terribly Jul 09 19:21:13 ;\ Jul 09 19:21:42 DBus is slow... Jul 09 19:21:46 and also doesn't resolved all names numbers correctly Jul 09 19:21:47 ... Jul 09 19:21:56 *numbers Jul 09 19:22:04 +972544123123 Jul 09 19:22:07 didn't get resolved Jul 09 19:22:08 though Jul 09 19:22:11 0544123123 Jul 09 19:22:12 did Jul 09 19:22:53 ;\ Jul 09 19:24:49 dos1: Jul 09 19:24:50 if query.GetResultCount(): name = query.GetResult()['Name'] else: name = number.strip('tel:') self.__contacts_cache[number] = name Jul 09 19:24:53 what's that for? Jul 09 19:24:55 I mean Jul 09 19:25:04 even if there's no number Jul 09 19:25:15 we want to add the name, don't we? Jul 09 19:25:17 *the number Jul 09 19:25:19 so it'll know Jul 09 19:25:23 in the cache Jul 09 19:25:28 that we don't have the number... Jul 09 19:25:56 TAsn: i think you should use by script from pastebin and reuse existing cache ;) Jul 09 19:26:05 TAsn: my implementation is bad :D Jul 09 19:26:20 I am using your Jul 09 19:26:22 opimd-notifier Jul 09 19:26:25 script Jul 09 19:26:27 (adapted) Jul 09 19:26:31 can anybody tell me how to bind some command to the AUX button in illume? Jul 09 19:26:46 xev doesn't react on pressing AUX :-( Jul 09 19:27:09 dos1: anyhow don't you agree? (concerning adding of number to cache) Jul 09 19:27:19 anyhow, I think the correct way Jul 09 19:27:22 TAsn: i suggest downloading all contacts at start and then using some internal cache you were using with SIM Jul 09 19:27:25 is letting the user of opimd tocacahe everything Jul 09 19:27:37 dos1: exactly what I was thinking Jul 09 19:27:38 okie. Jul 09 19:27:52 it should be faster Jul 09 19:28:19 so how do I get all the contacts? Jul 09 19:28:27 look at that script from pastebin Jul 09 19:28:38 use just empty dict {} Jul 09 19:31:10 TAsn: and about Call domain... it should be quite stable Jul 09 19:31:29 quite - didn't test it so much, but it's almost the same as Contacts domain, which i tested a lot ;) Jul 09 19:31:53 is it as slow as the contacts domain? :) Jul 09 19:35:54 dos1: Jul 09 19:35:56 results = query.GetResult() Jul 09 19:36:00 what are the possible fields? Jul 09 19:36:24 never mind my comment about DELETE and PURGE Jul 09 19:36:24 everything Jul 09 19:36:50 but you're interested in Name and Phone now Jul 09 19:36:54 okie Jul 09 19:36:58 and one more thing Jul 09 19:37:00 range(0,results) Jul 09 19:37:05 results is the number of results Jul 09 19:37:08 shouldn't it be Jul 09 19:37:11 0, results-1 Jul 09 19:37:11 ? Jul 09 19:37:33 hmm Jul 09 19:39:32 it works with results correctly Jul 09 19:39:46 mrmoku: on "bitbake -c build .." it tells me "task do_patch: completed", but the patch is not applied :( Jul 09 19:41:00 agg1n1, did you only copy the file or also added it in the bb? Jul 09 19:41:55 playya_: both, in the .bb file i have now SRC_URI = "${FREESMARTPHONE_GIT}/libeflvala;protocol=git;branch=master \ Jul 09 19:41:55 file://genlistslabelgetfix.patch;patch=1" Jul 09 19:42:20 ok Jul 09 19:42:31 can you show me the patch? Jul 09 19:43:07 agg1n1, looks good Jul 09 19:43:14 playya_: http://pastebin.com/m69ddde5b Jul 09 19:43:19 apart from the missing \ after SRC_URI = maybe Jul 09 19:44:09 there is a \ Jul 09 19:45:49 maybe we should wrote some more test for libeflvala Jul 09 19:48:54 F4t, could it be that since I installed connmann-plugin-ethernet, conmann overwrites normal ifup usb0 processing, thus disabling standard usb0 access? Jul 09 19:51:10 btw dos1 Jul 09 19:51:14 that's still slower Jul 09 19:51:14 ... Jul 09 19:51:15 :( Jul 09 19:51:46 TAsn: how much contacts do you have? Jul 09 19:51:53 could you send me your code? Jul 09 19:52:26 my code is ~your pastebin code Jul 09 19:52:44 # for i in range(0,results): # print "Result nr "+str(i+1)+":" # results = query.GetResult() Jul 09 19:53:06 and how much time it takes? Jul 09 19:53:33 TAsn: oh, you could also use GetMultipleResults :D Jul 09 19:53:40 without for Jul 09 19:53:40 bah. Jul 09 19:53:40 :) Jul 09 19:53:42 :) Jul 09 19:53:46 that seems more correct Jul 09 19:53:47 agg1n1, did you clean it? Jul 09 19:53:51 a lot less dbus calls Jul 09 19:53:52 dos1: Jul 09 19:53:56 how do I use that? Jul 09 19:54:26 Bona sera Jul 09 19:54:34 just results = query.GetMultipleResults(results_count) Jul 09 19:54:38 and then for result in results: Jul 09 19:54:56 mickeyl: edited wiki page Jul 09 19:55:22 that's what I did Jul 09 19:55:23 cool. Jul 09 19:55:32 mickeyl: again (typo), check and correct :) Jul 09 19:56:00 mrmoku: yes Jul 09 19:56:23 TAsn: is it faster? Jul 09 19:56:38 a lot faster (than before) Jul 09 19:56:38 sec Jul 09 19:56:43 benchmarking against old solution Jul 09 19:57:00 rainglasz2, define standard usb0 access? Jul 09 19:57:19 dos1: Jul 09 19:57:19 yeah Jul 09 19:57:21 a lot faster Jul 09 19:57:22 :) Jul 09 19:57:48 dos1: in opimd's calls domain Jul 09 19:57:57 do you use the same db as ophonekitd? Jul 09 19:58:01 F4t: The stuff in /etc/network/interfaces, i.e. what is configured with ifup usb0 and present after booting SHR as shipped Jul 09 19:58:02 (db structure that is) Jul 09 20:00:01 TAsn: you're asking for SQLite-Calls backend? Jul 09 20:00:08 (there can be also other backends) Jul 09 20:00:13 oh Jul 09 20:00:17 you are taking from sim? Jul 09 20:00:36 F4t: well, until now I could plug in my moko after boot, start ssh, and go typing. Now I first have to open a terminal, and to enter ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 Jul 09 20:00:43 TAsn: no... i'm listening for CallStatus signal and then adding to default backend Jul 09 20:00:49 TAsn: now only backend is SQLite :P Jul 09 20:00:53 :) Jul 09 20:00:53 okie Jul 09 20:01:01 do you use the same db structure as ophonekitd Jul 09 20:01:02 ? Jul 09 20:01:08 but in future there also could be some backend integrating with internet service... or something like that Jul 09 20:01:11 TAsn: i think no :D Jul 09 20:01:15 hehe Jul 09 20:01:27 mind linking me to the calls domain scode? Jul 09 20:01:27 TAsn: i don't even know what structure uses ophonekitd Jul 09 20:01:45 TAsn: but when you're using opimd, you don't care about db structure Jul 09 20:01:55 dos1: I know Jul 09 20:02:02 I'm thinking about design Jul 09 20:02:05 TAsn: using Calls domain looks the same like Contacts ;) Jul 09 20:02:08 not about how I'll use it Jul 09 20:02:11 design is so simple Jul 09 20:02:19 dos1: I meant db design. Jul 09 20:02:22 ... Jul 09 20:02:24 rainglasz2, yep, thats the sideffect of connman-plugin-ethernet... you can remove it, and mokonnect will keep functioning without usb eth control.. Jul 09 20:02:25 yep, db design Jul 09 20:02:40 please link me to the relevant scode Jul 09 20:02:44 and db specs :) Jul 09 20:03:48 TAsn: first table with id, Caller, Type, Timestamp, Timezone, Direction, Duration, Cost, Answered, New, Replied fields Jul 09 20:03:49 F4t: Ok, then I'll remove it and live with the error message. Jul 09 20:03:57 TAsn: and second for extra fields Jul 09 20:04:06 agg1n1, you patch gives me a lot of assertions Jul 09 20:04:09 dos1: indexes? Jul 09 20:04:15 queries? Jul 09 20:04:20 timestamp? Jul 09 20:04:26 (what's the fromat of the timestamp) Jul 09 20:04:56 TAsn: TEXT :P (yep, that's wrong, i'll change it) Jul 09 20:05:04 CHANGE IT! Jul 09 20:05:06 and indexes - nothing. you can help with it :P Jul 09 20:05:09 source: Jul 09 20:05:11 and btw Jul 09 20:05:25 remove the timezone field!!! Jul 09 20:05:31 playya_: yeah me too, but at least it's working :) Jul 09 20:05:32 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_calls.py;h=540ae2fb5cf5de6b55d8ae5e6af4428c4fadbaa6;hb=HEAD Jul 09 20:05:32 just keep everything in gmt Jul 09 20:05:37 I think that's a bad idea Jul 09 20:05:40 rainglasz2, it should be fixed in the future once connman allows static configuration, but for now, i agree with ur choice :) Jul 09 20:05:42 as it can make calculations harder Jul 09 20:05:53 TAsn: no, timezone is only for information Jul 09 20:05:54 as for indexes Jul 09 20:05:58 no Jul 09 20:06:00 TAsn: timestamp is in UTC Jul 09 20:06:01 but let say Jul 09 20:06:06 okie Jul 09 20:06:07 :) Jul 09 20:06:10 great. Jul 09 20:06:21 you should create an index for Jul 09 20:06:35 TAsn: mickeyl said that it would be nice to keep also info about local time of recieving sms/call Jul 09 20:06:37 direction Jul 09 20:06:41 F4t: maybe the last question: what are the advantages of connman over plain wpa_supplicant control? Jul 09 20:07:09 TAsn: tell me SQL for that, and i'll add it even today ;) Jul 09 20:07:13 rainglasz2, connman has, or will have bluetooth and gprs control... Jul 09 20:07:27 what's the tablename? Jul 09 20:07:40 TAsn: messages Jul 09 20:07:40 connman actually uses wpa_sup for wifi needs Jul 09 20:07:46 TAsn: ... sorry Jul 09 20:07:46 F4t, ok, thanks. Jul 09 20:07:47 dos1: calls? Jul 09 20:07:49 TAsn: calls of course :D Jul 09 20:08:08 create index calls_timestamp_idx on calls (id); Jul 09 20:08:15 oops Jul 09 20:08:16 bah Jul 09 20:08:17 noooo Jul 09 20:08:30 create index calls_direction_idx on calls (direction); Jul 09 20:08:31 TAsn: and there is call_values, with "id, callId, field, value" fields Jul 09 20:08:56 TAsn: and nothing more? just add it when creating table? Jul 09 20:09:02 yeah. Jul 09 20:09:20 give me some example queries you do please... Jul 09 20:09:31 so i'll know what indexes should be created. Jul 09 20:09:38 uh Jul 09 20:09:41 thinking about it Jul 09 20:09:43 direction is of course a must since you query that a lot Jul 09 20:10:06 quering is done in opimd, not in SQLite engine Jul 09 20:10:11 (i'll change that in future) Jul 09 20:10:19 dos1: wouldn't it be better to use only one db? because the join needs much more time Jul 09 20:10:35 exactly Jul 09 20:10:42 Heinervdm: join needs time if you don't have an index Jul 09 20:10:43 in this domain you have everytime the same fields Jul 09 20:10:55 otherwise it's quite fast. Jul 09 20:10:55 Heinervdm: we aren't joining them... Jul 09 20:10:58 and the idea of a pimd-internal cache is insane anyway Jul 09 20:11:31 DocScrutinizer: i agree, i'll change that and use opimd cache only for backends, which doesn't have it's own querying method (CSV for instance) Jul 09 20:11:34 dos1: I think you should add another column to the db Jul 09 20:11:35 dos1: then we use querry s for 1 coll ;) Jul 09 20:11:49 you should have a Jul 09 20:12:02 damn, forgot the name Jul 09 20:12:05 oh Jul 09 20:12:07 canonized Jul 09 20:12:14 canonized_number column Jul 09 20:12:19 that will be used for querying Jul 09 20:12:29 according to a number Jul 09 20:12:31 don't you agree? Jul 09 20:12:34 Heinervdm: no, you could have calls from voip for instance, and maybe you'll need different fields for that Jul 09 20:12:51 TAsn: i agree Jul 09 20:12:53 dos1: ok, in this case it's usefull Jul 09 20:13:01 dos1: so please add it Jul 09 20:13:02 and then Jul 09 20:13:25 create index calls_canonized_number_idx on calls (canonized_number); Jul 09 20:13:26 :) Jul 09 20:13:34 and that's about it (I think) Jul 09 20:13:50 as you said id is already indexed Jul 09 20:14:04 TAsn: but we can't use that indexes ATM :( Jul 09 20:14:10 there is still lot of work needed on opimd Jul 09 20:14:32 dos1: why not? Jul 09 20:14:35 just add the indexes Jul 09 20:14:37 it's automatic Jul 09 20:14:37 ... Jul 09 20:14:42 it's internal sqlite instructions.... Jul 09 20:14:52 you don't need to think about them every again... Jul 09 20:14:55 TAsn: i told you already. there is only "SELECT * FROM calls WHERE deleted=0;" query. nothing else Jul 09 20:15:02 so? Jul 09 20:15:12 the db structure should be correct anyway... Jul 09 20:15:21 how it could speed up anything? Jul 09 20:15:29 it won't speed up nothing atm Jul 09 20:15:34 TAsn: oh, then i agree Jul 09 20:15:38 :) Jul 09 20:15:38 but still, that's the correct way Jul 09 20:15:42 and why not now? Jul 09 20:16:05 TAsn: i said "we can't use" in sense "we won't get any gain due to it" Jul 09 20:16:10 s/it/using it/ Jul 09 20:16:10 dos1 meant: TAsn: i said "we can't use" in sense "we won't get any gain due to using it" Jul 09 20:16:20 doesn't matter :) Jul 09 20:16:23 still a good thing to do :) Jul 09 20:16:24 ok Jul 09 20:19:36 pyphonelog isn't fast enough :( Jul 09 20:19:38 tracfeed: Ticket #548 (Create a libphonefunctions that will host many needed phone functions) created Jul 09 20:19:38 bah. Jul 09 20:19:45 it even seems like it slowed domn a bit :( Jul 09 20:20:03 TAsn: what you did? Jul 09 20:20:19 moved to opimd contacts Jul 09 20:20:30 it's not related to that though Jul 09 20:20:33 that part is faster Jul 09 20:20:39 I don't get why it's slower now :) Jul 09 20:20:43 but fact is, that it's is Jul 09 20:20:44 hmm Jul 09 20:20:50 although as said, this part is faster... Jul 09 20:20:51 how much contacts do you have? Jul 09 20:20:59 this part is faster now... Jul 09 20:21:01 ~100 Jul 09 20:21:17 btw dos1 Jul 09 20:21:24 you should do all the querying Jul 09 20:21:29 and all the possible calculations Jul 09 20:21:31 in sqlite Jul 09 20:21:35 TAsn: i know Jul 09 20:21:40 as it's highly optimized :) Jul 09 20:21:41 TAsn: that's what i want to do Jul 09 20:25:09 TAsn, hmm... what does mokonnect need to satisfy qdbus? Jul 09 20:25:24 mrmoku: huh? Jul 09 20:25:50 root@om-gta02 ~ $ mokonnect.py Jul 09 20:25:50 Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 09 20:25:50 File "/usr/bin/mokonnect.py", line 10, in Jul 09 20:25:50 import qdbus Jul 09 20:25:51 ImportError: No module named qdbus Jul 09 20:26:15 oh Jul 09 20:26:20 F4t, any idea about that ? Jul 09 20:26:21 this looks like qt-dbus Jul 09 20:26:27 but why the heck would F4t use it? :) Jul 09 20:26:49 no no... its just a module i wrote... Jul 09 20:27:05 find it at /usr/share/mokonnect/qdbus.py Jul 09 20:27:29 F4t, ahh.. should have looked closer :P Jul 09 20:27:35 mrmoku, correct the path, or run rhe script from its indetnded place :) Jul 09 20:27:40 the* Jul 09 20:28:39 finally Jul 09 20:28:53 :-/ ? Jul 09 20:29:52 got xchat to work Jul 09 20:31:18 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rcab239ae7c6f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_calls.py: opimd: SQLite-Calls: add index on Direction field Jul 09 20:31:44 bah. Jul 09 20:34:16 mrmoku, what are you trying to do anyway? Jul 09 20:34:56 F4t: I think he's trying to package your app Jul 09 20:35:00 or at least give it a go ;) Jul 09 20:36:35 F4t, yeah, try it then package it :) Jul 09 20:36:45 F4t, are you handling usb via connman or directly? Jul 09 20:38:44 mrmoku, via connman Jul 09 20:38:50 mrmoku, which causes no end of trouble Jul 09 20:40:58 TAsn: so what was the problem? Jul 09 20:41:35 you mean is? Jul 09 20:41:36 :) Jul 09 20:41:46 TAsn: ok, is. So? Jul 09 20:41:54 I'm checking it atm, it seems like my method of populating the gtk tree model is slow Jul 09 20:42:00 trying to refactor it Jul 09 20:42:02 ;) Jul 09 20:42:11 TAsn: heh, i was asking about xchat actually. Jul 09 20:42:19 oh lol Jul 09 20:42:21 IS Jul 09 20:42:21 :( Jul 09 20:42:28 I'm using freenode webchat atm as you can see Jul 09 20:42:29 .:( Jul 09 20:42:39 00:28 < TAsnn> got xchat to work Jul 09 20:43:12 yeah Jul 09 20:43:15 and a second after I died. Jul 09 20:43:16 :) Jul 09 20:44:44 TAsn: so it looks like your ISP is dropping some connections? Does git clone via git:// work? Jul 09 20:44:57 usually yeah Jul 09 20:45:05 PaulFertser: it doesn't disconnect me from freenode Jul 09 20:45:08 (the isp) Jul 09 20:45:13 it actually disconnects me entirely Jul 09 20:45:16 only on freenode Jul 09 20:45:22 no matter if it's xchat or pidgin Jul 09 20:45:29 not always Jul 09 20:45:42 TAsn: you mean you connect to freenode, then after a while your ISP disconnects you completely? What happens, dropped ppp session? Jul 09 20:45:56 never bothered checking Jul 09 20:46:09 I should do a tcpdump Jul 09 20:46:13 and check the ppp status Jul 09 20:46:20 next time it happens (and I have the time() Jul 09 20:46:24 or evern better Jul 09 20:46:26 move an isp Jul 09 20:48:49 F4t, ok, connected successfully with wifi :) Jul 09 20:48:58 mrmoku, party!!! :D Jul 09 20:48:59 usb not so Jul 09 20:49:03 ;) Jul 09 20:49:09 mrmoku, half party? Jul 09 20:49:14 F4t, but I like it Jul 09 20:49:18 nice app :D Jul 09 20:49:23 thanks.. Jul 09 20:50:28 mrmoku, whats wrong with usb? the static configuration shit? 'cause dhcp should work... Jul 09 20:50:39 if i user dbus and elementary in one vala app, do i have to tell them in a way to use the same mainloop or something? Jul 09 20:50:52 F4t, yeah I played with connman usb and static without success Jul 09 20:50:56 trying with dhcp now though Jul 09 20:50:57 * PaulFertser can't see a clear way to handle both gta02 and a dumb battery with kernel autoswitching :( Jul 09 20:51:29 mrmoku, i actually know whats missing from connman and where.... just dont have the time to implement a "patch" for them... Jul 09 20:52:38 F4t, I will write a recipe and put it in our feed Jul 09 20:52:50 mrmoku, linked against the svn repo? Jul 09 20:52:52 tomorrow though... had a stressy day and need some sleep :P Jul 09 20:52:55 F4t, yep Jul 09 20:53:01 mrmoku, cool :D Jul 09 20:53:07 mrmoku, let me know if you need anything... Jul 09 20:53:14 F4t, ok, thanks Jul 09 20:53:25 gnight all Jul 09 20:53:31 gnight Jul 09 21:06:17 weehee Jul 09 21:06:20 shaved as much as possible Jul 09 21:06:48 the only two things which slow it down atm Jul 09 21:06:50 are python startup Jul 09 21:06:54 and getting contacts from opimd Jul 09 21:06:59 which is still time conusming :) Jul 09 21:09:14 and the ophonekitd's approach to the dbus can be done betetr Jul 09 21:09:15 better Jul 09 21:09:27 though I guess opimd will just fill it's position :) Jul 09 21:09:43 every query is full of calculations :( Jul 09 21:09:54 that have no reason to exist Jul 09 21:11:47 anyhow gn Jul 09 21:35:56 how do the bootloader (uBoot for now) choose which kernel to boot? Jul 09 21:36:02 * FiXion_ is used to lilo and grub :) Jul 09 21:37:48 * FiXion_ goes looking for a kernel image for pyneo 2.6.30.. Jul 09 21:39:12 or how to create one :) Jul 09 21:39:20 hoping it does not require an initrd :) Jul 09 21:55:02 Fixion_ look here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Menu_Entries Jul 09 21:55:35 sabrod: thanks Jul 09 21:57:42 FiXion_: probably you'd like to use Qi instead of u-boot, take a look at Qi wikipage too Jul 09 21:57:49 Well it's easy!: just installing neocon is preferable, but it's a one minut job. Jul 09 21:57:57 I know.. I just haven't gotten around to switching :) Jul 09 21:58:16 wanted a stable distro first Jul 09 21:58:23 and haven't even gotten my sd card yet. Jul 09 21:58:29 my gta02 a7 didn't come with one Jul 09 21:58:34 which I actually expected Jul 09 21:58:37 FiXion_: btw, do you have the latest gsm firmware installed? Jul 09 21:58:49 PaulFertser: no - but I need an sd card to flash Jul 09 21:58:56 gta02 a7 comes with moko10 Jul 09 21:59:04 Hah, and pyneo seems to recommend that ( qi) , but is it really mandatory? Jul 09 21:59:06 FiXion_: you don't need sd card to flash Jul 09 21:59:14 sabrod: not mandatory Jul 09 21:59:30 PaulFertser: according to the wiki it's the recommened (as in most likely to NOT brick your neo) method Jul 09 21:59:32 sabrod: but i'm not sure u-boot includes the latest fix to stop charging the battery a bit earlier. Jul 09 21:59:48 FiXion_: according to wiki no method of flashing can brick one's freerunner. Jul 09 21:59:51 without vala bindings for e_dbus it's not easy to write an app that uses elementary and dbus at the same time :< Jul 09 21:59:59 Ok, thanks... It looked like. Ah... Oki... Jul 09 22:00:40 sabrod: do you know anybody who fixed u-boot problems if found? Jul 09 22:01:03 PaulFertser: fair enough - they just recommend the sd card way Jul 09 22:01:05 FiXion_: and i can't imagine how flashing gsm firmware can brick gta01 too. Jul 09 22:02:00 Hehe, I know the development of GTA's bootloader is quite marvellous, I'm not complaining for boring upgrades, be re-assured... :) Jul 09 22:02:09 FiXion_: flashing gsm firmware can't brick anything at all. Maximum damage can be done if one overwrites gsm calibration data but it's not bricking, just the modem will not work with radio signals. Jul 09 22:02:45 sabrod: i mean, i'm personally interested to fix any qi issues if found so i'm biased towards qi obviously. Jul 09 22:03:08 PaulFertser: not work with radio signals - means what for gsm ? Jul 09 22:03:25 FiXion_: means you can't use the modem to communicate with any cell station. Jul 09 22:03:47 and that's not bad? Jul 09 22:03:48 FiXion_: but it's not bricking obviously, just rendering useless. Jul 09 22:04:01 FiXion_: for those who don't use gsm it's ok. Jul 09 22:04:08 great.. to me they seem pretty much the same thing.. :) Jul 09 22:04:16 I'd like it to keep working as a gsm phone :) Jul 09 22:04:30 FiXion_: anyway it requires dedication. Even i don't know exactly how to do that (damage calibration data). Jul 09 22:04:31 and I can live with moko10 until my sd card arrives :) Jul 09 22:04:51 as a sysadmin I'm a bit conservative :) Jul 09 22:04:57 coward Jul 09 22:04:59 :P Jul 09 22:05:14 just don't take unnecessary risk :) Jul 09 22:05:21 = good sysadmin IMHO Jul 09 22:06:18 IMO if you don't make anything special with fluid configuration (and you can't do it if you follow the wiki) it's impossible to damage that data. Jul 09 22:07:14 FiXion_: do you by any chance know if moko10 is factory-shipped or distributor-shipped? Jul 09 22:07:50 it came with mine from dr. nicolaus (delicous in germany) Jul 09 22:08:01 but I have no way of knowing if he has "upgraded it" Jul 09 22:08:06 Ok Jul 09 22:08:06 but I don't think he has Jul 09 22:08:19 the kernel says revision 360 Jul 09 22:08:27 so for a moment I thought it was an a6 Jul 09 22:08:57 it he "upgraded" them before shipping I'd figure he'd have fixed that as well (instead of getting questions from customers about it :) Jul 09 22:09:18 FiXion_: i don't think it's fixable. Jul 09 22:09:58 PaulFertser: sure it is. just recompile the kernel (with slightly modified source) Jul 09 22:10:11 he can do that once - and load an updated kernel image before shipping Jul 09 22:14:55 FiXion_: you're a smart guy ;) Jul 09 22:15:22 PaulFertser: how do you figure? Jul 09 22:15:35 FiXion_: look at the schematics, page 2, left side, you'll see that version is coded by installing (or not installing) resistors on pcb. Jul 09 22:16:00 FiXion_: moreover, the version you see in /proc/cpu output is something that is supplied to the kernel by bootloader iirc. Jul 09 22:16:22 and where does the bootloader get it? Jul 09 22:17:05 I asked "dr. nico.." about mine saying revision 360 - when it was suppose to be an a7 Jul 09 22:17:19 he said they probably just hadn't bothered to update that info. Jul 09 22:17:22 FiXion_: i told ya already. Schematics, page 2, left side. Jul 09 22:17:30 and if the production date was 200903* it was a7 Jul 09 22:17:49 * FiXion_ goes searching the wiki for schematics Jul 09 22:18:03 FiXion_: returns PCB revision information in b9,b8 and b2,b1,b0 / Pre-GTA02 A6 returns 0x000 / GTA02 A6 returns 0x001 Jul 09 22:18:21 FiXion_: that's Qi's gta02_get_pcb_revision() description Jul 09 22:18:36 FiXion_: you can download schematics from http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ Jul 09 22:19:27 FiXion_: moreover flashing any kernel at distri or factory doesn't make much sense because you'll change it anyway. Jul 09 22:19:54 PaulFertser: definetely. Jul 09 22:22:09 I'm not schooled in schematics - not a soldering kinda guy :) Jul 09 22:22:44 so GTA02 A6+ looks exactly the same to the bootloader Jul 09 22:22:54 which explains the revision being the same Jul 09 22:22:57 ? Jul 09 22:23:46 FiXion_: yes Jul 09 22:24:21 * FiXion_ just hopes he actually got an A7 :) Jul 09 22:24:43 FiXion_: there's also a kernel driver to see "raw" value from the pcb, you can do "cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-version.0/pcb" to see its output. Jul 09 22:24:55 FiXion_: for my A6 its 0x001 Jul 09 22:25:07 it's 0x101 here Jul 09 22:25:25 on neovento 2.6.28 kernel (debian distro) Jul 09 22:26:31 FiXion_: you see Jul 09 22:28:19 according to the schematics gpc13 and gpd3 is both 1 on a7 Jul 09 22:28:28 is 0x101 the same as that? Jul 09 22:29:01 or is 5 the same as that if you want it in base10 Jul 09 22:29:15 0x is hex.. Jul 09 22:29:19 * FiXion_ is tired Jul 09 22:29:24 forgot to go to bed - again Jul 09 22:29:34 will be waken up harshly by kids in 6 hours and counting.. Jul 09 22:30:16 A7 == ox101 Jul 09 22:30:52 DocScrutinizer: thanks - I would like an explanation of why that is if you have the inclination :) Jul 09 22:31:15 no idea Jul 09 22:31:18 is 0x101 related to the gpc13 and gpd3 registers ? Jul 09 22:31:23 yes Jul 09 22:31:36 I just don't see any direct correlation. Jul 09 22:31:47 we have 3 GPIO asigned to hw-tagging Jul 09 22:31:48 I'd expect a number like 0x3 Jul 09 22:32:03 yes, exactly Jul 09 22:32:05 so 0x001 = A6? Jul 09 22:32:07 as there seems to be 2 binary numbers. Jul 09 22:32:15 yes Jul 09 22:32:16 but 0x101 isn't 3 Jul 09 22:32:36 so I'm not getting the correlation Jul 09 22:32:46 probably nonsense, maybe it should rad 0b101 Jul 09 22:32:50 read Jul 09 22:33:09 0b101 = 5 Jul 09 22:33:12 FiXion_: why do you expect 3? Jul 09 22:33:29 in the table listing the output from the different versions - only two are mentioned. Jul 09 22:33:32 gpc13 and and gpd3 Jul 09 22:33:52 FiXion_: and the driver happens to read another pin and stuffs that in between Jul 09 22:34:00 but there seem be a third binary number Jul 09 22:34:02 FiXion_: as its NC, it's pulled down and read as 0. Jul 09 22:34:15 so that's the correlation Jul 09 22:35:01 FiXion_: yes, C13 is that 1 we both have, D3 is that 1 you have on A7. Jul 09 22:35:15 it reads: 0x[gpd13][bogus][gpc3] Jul 09 22:35:18 anyway for A8 we reached end of range, and that's another reason why there never will be anything like A9 ;-P Jul 09 22:35:22 or something :) Jul 09 22:35:29 hehe Jul 09 22:35:32 it'll have to be gta03 then :) Jul 09 22:35:41 or 2.5 Jul 09 22:37:18 A7 seems to be the end of the line. Jul 09 22:37:29 all four options has been used according to the table in the schematics Jul 09 22:37:39 so no A8 even Jul 09 22:38:04 or am I just missing something (again :) Jul 09 22:38:23 while running my apt-get dist-upgrade on the neo Jul 09 22:38:47 wondering why opkg is being used when it dies on upgrading too many packages - and apt-get just upgraded 50+ packages - without dying Jul 09 22:38:59 and apt-get actually seems faster than opkg Jul 09 22:39:03 I notice I didn't quote the changes to hw-tag in schematics :-( Jul 09 22:39:24 <[Rui]> where is woosh maintained? Jul 09 22:39:25 what's the diff for A7 and A8 ? Jul 09 22:39:52 different mic, beads on hs-jack, some better caps here and there Jul 09 22:39:54 [Rui]: http://www.opkg.org/package_215.html Jul 09 22:40:07 [Rui]: you can search on opkg.org and get the info - or in any distro that packages it Jul 09 22:40:19 <[Rui]> FiXion_: I want to see if it's easy to add loading urls from cli Jul 09 22:40:41 FiXion_: however there's no A8 in RL (yet?) Jul 09 22:40:41 DocScrutinizer: got a link with details on those changes from a user perspective? Jul 09 22:40:43 <[Rui]> I found this source, but it seems to be the original one http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/attachment/wiki/WooshBrowser/woosh-0.1.tar.gz Jul 09 22:41:00 FiXion_: huh? Jul 09 22:41:13 which changes? A8? Jul 09 22:41:20 DocScrutinizer: yes Jul 09 22:41:32 I have no user-perspective ;-P Jul 09 22:41:34 I thought openmoko had stopped production of the neo Jul 09 22:41:45 why a diff. mic ? Jul 09 22:41:46 not exactly Jul 09 22:42:03 better buzz-supression Jul 09 22:42:06 the current mic is (in my probably "borked" settings) quite sensitive to noise around me Jul 09 22:42:11 aledgedly Jul 09 22:42:22 buzz-suppresion? Jul 09 22:42:31 ie. hardware "static" ? Jul 09 22:42:45 ~buzz Jul 09 22:42:53 coming from the hardware itself? Jul 09 22:42:55 duh Jul 09 22:43:10 * FiXion_ said he was tired and should have gone to bed long ago Jul 09 22:43:24 I don't know anything about buzz. Ask someone who can tell better Jul 09 22:43:33 fair enough :) Jul 09 22:43:47 anyone know what the deal with opkg is ? Jul 09 22:43:52 ;-) Jul 09 22:44:00 my experiences with apt-get on the neo is MUCH better than opkg Jul 09 22:44:13 as in works all the time.. where opkg doesn't Jul 09 22:44:21 and is featurefull and I know how to build packages for it :) Jul 09 22:44:24 etc. etc. Jul 09 22:44:48 seems absurd to me.. to waste time on something seemingly meaningless Jul 09 22:45:10 atleast they should have opted to improve upon apt-get (or aptitude) Jul 09 22:45:19 to the benefit of all Jul 09 22:45:55 ohh well :) Jul 09 22:46:00 I'm glad it's open source Jul 09 22:46:29 now I just hope I can get paroli or some other working phone app (instead of zhone which is crap) on my Debian :) Jul 09 23:26:17 <[Rui]> Gnutoo: hi, you're identi.ca/gnutoo ? :) Jul 09 23:26:26 yes I am Jul 09 23:26:37 <[Rui]> Gnutoo: great :) Jul 09 23:27:01 <[Rui]> I'm patching woosh to load urls from cli with -u url Jul 09 23:27:15 <[Rui]> works on my laptop, now building a package Jul 09 23:27:44 <[Rui]> if Marcus' isn't working on it, I may start hacking on it Jul 09 23:27:56 <[Rui]> but the problem is whether there's a repo or not Jul 09 23:28:10 <[Rui]> I think not, but I wouldn't like to fork without talking to him first :) Jul 09 23:28:28 ok but I'm not involved in woosh Jul 10 00:42:03 hi all :) Jul 10 00:43:39 where can i find missing "/lib/modules/2.6.29-rc2" files? the unpacked "modules-foo.tar.gz" from the unstable dl dir, are "2.6.29-rc3" ones Jul 10 00:44:39 Mortak: the modules match the uimage kernel of same date Jul 10 00:45:31 DocScrutinizer: hmm. atm im booting shr from usd via aux+power (nor?), maybe i migrate to qi again :) Jul 10 00:46:16 Mortak: so if you (really) need another version of the modules, you should find it where you got the uimage.bin Jul 10 00:46:30 DocScrutinizer: ok, thx a lot Jul 10 01:11:55 Does anyone have a source (oeder online?) for the buzzfix parts? - pref in Australia **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 10 02:59:57 2009