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Jul 11 07:08:25 <BluesLee> hey
Jul 11 07:39:46 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: really nice script indeed!
Jul 11 07:45:16 <eolson> PaulFertser, Have you had a chance to look at the force fast charge on GTA01?  If not, can you point me at the current kernel version being built in shr-unstable.  I'm not a kernel dev, but I figure I can take a look.  I have to go out of town on Monday, so hopefully I can fix it before then.
Jul 11 07:45:40 <PaulFertser> eolson: sorry, i was going to do that today
Jul 11 07:45:56 <PaulFertser> eolson: the kernel version is the HEAD of andy-tracking branch from http://git.openmoko.org
Jul 11 07:46:37 <eolson> no problem, just looking at it would be great
Jul 11 07:46:50 <PaulFertser> eolson: i assume you output some magic pmu value to force fast charge and it has no effect, right? (i need to look at logs to find your message).
Jul 11 07:46:53 <eolson> I figure I should learn the kernel stuff a little anyway
Jul 11 07:47:24 <eolson> right, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode  says to try this:
Jul 11 07:47:33 <eolson> echo -n 12 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/pcf50606-mbc/chgmode
Jul 11 07:49:02 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: morning
Jul 11 07:49:28 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: morning
Jul 11 07:50:19 <PaulFertser> eolson: ok, will definetely take a look after my breakfast
Jul 11 07:53:09 <eolson>  It works when plugged in to my laptop, I get the message udc: enabling fast charge,  I believe the value 4 means slow charge, 12 means fast.   I actually have to get some sleep (almost 3am here), but thanks for taking a look.  If you have other things to do, feel free to put a pointer in the chat on anything interesting.
Jul 11 07:54:27 <eolson> so I could look into it, too. Thanks again.  g'night
Jul 11 07:54:31 <PaulFertser> eolson: i think that pcf50606 should be made to work with more human-friendly sysfs interface
Jul 11 07:54:48 <PaulFertser> eolson: good night, see you after you wake up :)
Jul 11 07:58:26 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, openmoko hardware?
Jul 11 07:59:48 <lindi-_> was there some way to figure out if phone woke up due to rtc alarm or power button press?
Jul 11 08:08:05 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I think I found out what you were talking about :) sweet.
Jul 11 08:11:10 <PaulFertser> TAsn: are you interested in bq27000 too? ;)
Jul 11 08:11:16 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes, there was
Jul 11 08:11:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-: and is :)
Jul 11 08:12:20 <PaulFertser> lindi-: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason
Jul 11 08:12:58 <PaulFertser> lindi-: but to distinguish between different pmu events (power button and rtc are both pmu events) you need another file:
Jul 11 08:13:01 <TAsn> PaulFertser, I haven't read the script in detail, though it seems that this script improves our understanding of the moko battery readout which makes me happy :)
Jul 11 08:13:14 <TAsn> PaulFertser, as I said before, unfortunately I'm no hw expert :)
Jul 11 08:16:02 <PaulFertser> lindi-: and subreason is at /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/resume_reason
Jul 11 08:16:12 <PaulFertser> lindi-: (bitmask directly from PMU)
Jul 11 08:22:03 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: btw, i'm the Russian openbmap champion now! :D
Jul 11 08:23:01 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: 8) I need to install it too. URL?
Jul 11 08:23:32 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: BTW, haven't you been to Chip'n'Dip yet?
Jul 11 08:24:38 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: not yet
Jul 11 08:24:47 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: probably i'll cycle there today.
Jul 11 08:26:32 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: need to call them first, usually looking at the site only gives unexpected unpleasant results.
Jul 11 08:43:14 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: thnx in advance
Jul 11 08:45:03 <mrmoku|a`> TAsn, building now
Jul 11 08:49:20 <mrmoku> TAsn, frameworkd only? or ophonekitd too?
Jul 11 08:52:31 <Q-Master> mrmoku: seems that e-wm segfaulting was caused by a uSD corruption
Jul 11 08:56:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, actually both
Jul 11 08:56:06 <TAsn> I think.
Jul 11 08:56:29 <TAsn> because I also fixed a bug in ophonekitd's sql yesterday and I'm not sure whether someone rebuilt it since
Jul 11 08:58:02 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: hm, if i find some stuff that i can order from chipdip to make the order >=500 RUR, then those caps will cost 290 instead of 390...
Jul 11 08:58:04 <mrmoku> Q-Master, makes sense to me
Jul 11 08:58:39 <mrmoku> TAsn, built both, building index now, updating my phone then and if it does not explode I will sync it to the feed ;)
Jul 11 08:58:50 <TAsn> hehe great :)
Jul 11 08:59:02 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: (segfault due to uSD corruption) lol
Jul 11 08:59:07 <TAsn> mrmoku, hm.. please also rm /var/db/phonelog.db
Jul 11 08:59:19 <TAsn> to make sure ophonekitd creates it correctly :)
Jul 11 08:59:36 <TAsn> (you don't have to do it, though I want to make sure new users won't get a broken ophonekitd)
Jul 11 09:10:10 <BillK> has something changed in unstable the last couple of days - no sound (ringtones) for call or sms ?
Jul 11 09:10:55 <BluesLee> BillK: i flashed it some minutes ago, for me "gsm dooesnt register", have to reboot
Jul 11 09:11:56 <BillK> Did you get a trashed settings/profile display as well?
Jul 11 09:13:13 <BluesLee> no
Jul 11 09:13:23 <BluesLee> gsm is up now (second boot)
Jul 11 09:15:41 <BillK> hmmm - anyone using thier own builds of shr-unstable have a bad settings/profile display?
Jul 11 09:29:12 <mrmoku> TAsn, ok, seems to work
Jul 11 09:29:14 <mrmoku> synching now
Jul 11 09:29:24 <TAsn> cool :)
Jul 11 09:29:29 <TAsn> let me know when it's done :)
Jul 11 09:29:48 * TAsn want's to test opimd-phonelog
Jul 11 09:29:49 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: that doesn't really matter for me. 8) The matter is the deep sleep fix. 8)
Jul 11 09:31:28 <mrmoku> TAsn, done
Jul 11 09:31:34 <TAsn> arrigato ;)
Jul 11 09:31:55 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: i wonder how come you haven't found a compatible cap from some nokia phone yet ;)
Jul 11 09:32:33 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I am rather short on time yet.
Jul 11 09:44:43 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Jul 11 09:44:45 <TAsn> ** (process:1536): DEBUG: Connected to the buses
Jul 11 09:44:45 <TAsn> ** (process:1536): DEBUG: list_resources()
Jul 11 09:44:45 <TAsn> ** (process:1536): DEBUG: list_resources_callback()
Jul 11 09:44:45 <TAsn> ** (process:1536): DEBUG: dbus not available, try again in 5s
Jul 11 09:45:00 <Gorbusch> I have put my new gadgets into the e/src/ directory and it tries to compile but fails so far with "*** No rule to make target 'all'. Stop.". What did i forgot?
Jul 11 09:45:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, should I just opkg upgrade?
Jul 11 09:45:20 <TAsn> bah. ;\
Jul 11 09:45:39 <TAsn> there goes nothing ;\
Jul 11 09:46:32 <mrmoku> TAsn, ?
Jul 11 09:46:44 <TAsn> ophonekitd doesn't work well
Jul 11 09:46:51 <TAsn> that's the errors I get
Jul 11 09:47:13 <mrmoku> TAsn, did you just update frameworkd and not restart ophonekitd?
Jul 11 09:47:30 <TAsn> I upgrade both ophonekitd and frameworkd and restarted my phone twice
Jul 11 09:47:55 <mrmoku> hmm... I upgraded, rebooted and it works
Jul 11 09:47:58 <TAsn> anyhow, doing opkg upgrade
Jul 11 09:48:04 <TAsn> okie, trying a full sys upgrade
Jul 11 09:48:13 <TAsn> something probably changed in dbus
Jul 11 09:48:26 <mrmoku> had to stop x for opkg not to segfault :(
Jul 11 09:48:39 <TAsn> duh.. :) (yeah, opkg sucks)
Jul 11 09:49:01 <mrmoku> the workd 'suck' is not strong enough in my opininon ;)
Jul 11 09:49:10 <mrmoku> ~lart opkg very hard
Jul 11 09:49:10 * bzzbot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking opkg very hard's head off
Jul 11 09:49:27 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 09:52:52 <PaulFertser> alphaone|gone: I can't seem to register to any network without sim though it should be possible to make SOS calls :-/ Hm, trying to gather more info for openbmap... Trying AT+CFUN AT+COPS combo manually but only CME errors are returned.
Jul 11 09:59:31 <Gorbusch> ok, got it solved, had to put it into configure.ac as well
Jul 11 10:06:02 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, at least in germany they changed that
Jul 11 10:06:17 <mrmoku> you cannot make SOS calls without activated SIM anymore
Jul 11 10:11:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, but you still should be able to sense gsm towers :)
Jul 11 10:12:45 <Gorbusch> @mrmoku, but even before you needed a sim, didn't you?
Jul 11 10:13:18 <mrmoku> dunno
Jul 11 10:16:28 <mrmoku> F4t, how is mokonnect licensed?
Jul 11 10:17:47 <Q-Master> hm. new shr-settings shows wrong things in profiles settings
Jul 11 10:19:05 <F4t> mrmoku, no idea?
Jul 11 10:19:12 <Gorbusch> Is there an ini file i have to edit to let enlightenment know that i have an additional gadget and where it is stored? I currently have put it under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules. But it is not displayed in the prefs menu
Jul 11 10:19:12 <F4t> mrmoku, any suggestions?
Jul 11 10:19:12 <TAsn> F4t, just gpl it :)
Jul 11 10:19:26 <TAsn> F4t, do you have any icons?
Jul 11 10:19:26 * mrmoku needs something to put in the bitbake recipe :P
Jul 11 10:19:37 <F4t> TAsn, have an icon i created myself...
Jul 11 10:19:41 <TAsn> F4t, okie
Jul 11 10:19:46 <TAsn> then gpl3 it :)
Jul 11 10:19:58 <F4t> whats the diff between gpl and gpl3?
Jul 11 10:20:16 <TAsn> gpl is usually used to refer to gpl2
Jul 11 10:20:21 <TAsn> and as for the differences
Jul 11 10:20:28 <TAsn> just google for gpl2 vs gpl3
Jul 11 10:20:28 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 10:20:37 <F4t> oh ffs...
Jul 11 10:20:40 <F4t> mrmoku, GPL it...
Jul 11 10:20:46 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 10:20:46 <mrmoku> F4t, ok :)
Jul 11 10:21:11 <F4t> i should also add the license info somewhere on the wiki or something?
Jul 11 10:21:25 <mrmoku> and into the source
Jul 11 10:21:35 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Jul 11 10:21:38 <TAsn> ** (process:1470): DEBUG: Initiated elementary
Jul 11 10:21:38 <TAsn> Unknown internal dbus error: Process /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper received signal 6, 80 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 26
Jul 11 10:21:38 <TAsn> ** (process:1470): DEBUG: list_resources_callback()
Jul 11 10:21:38 <TAsn> ** WARNING **: Unknown error, try again in 10s
Jul 11 10:21:38 <TAsn> aborting...
Jul 11 10:21:47 <TAsn> ;\
Jul 11 10:21:56 <TAsn> when ophonekitd is autostarted
Jul 11 10:22:04 <TAsn> if I start it manually everything is fine.
Jul 11 10:23:23 <mrmoku> hmm... never seen that
Jul 11 10:24:31 * mrmoku --> lunch
Jul 11 10:28:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, adding an hackish sleep solved it
Jul 11 10:28:55 <TAsn> bah.
Jul 11 10:31:32 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #551 (Ophonekitd doesn't load after latest upgrade) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/551>
Jul 11 10:33:33 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #551 (Ophonekitd doesn't start at boot after latest upgrade) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/551#comment:1> || Ticket #551 (Ophonekitd doesn't start at boot after latest upgrade) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/551>
Jul 11 10:34:56 <F4t> mrmoku, TAsn, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.... its gplv3?
Jul 11 10:35:06 <TAsn> yes
Jul 11 10:35:17 <TAsn> you should license new stuff as "gpl3 or later"
Jul 11 10:35:20 <TAsn> that's what I do
Jul 11 10:35:20 <F4t> mrmoku, change bbitbake to GPL3 then :D
Jul 11 10:35:36 <TAsn> F4t, gpl3 or later is different than gpl3 :)
Jul 11 10:35:53 <TAsn> I license as gpl3 or later unless I have to license as 2
Jul 11 10:36:16 <F4t> so this license is ok..?
Jul 11 10:37:45 <TAsn> "gpl3 or later"
Jul 11 10:38:09 <TAsn> should be your license
Jul 11 10:41:13 <F4t> ok... mrmoku, change gpl to to that...
Jul 11 10:47:13 * mrmoku personally would never put 'or later' in a license for his source code ;)
Jul 11 10:47:45 <admiral0> hi. could anyone post his SHR /etc/ts.conf?
Jul 11 10:49:09 <Slyon> admiral0: http://nopaste.com/p/aaST2jBJt
Jul 11 10:49:57 <F4t> mrmoku, then you recommend just gpl3?
Jul 11 10:50:18 <mrmoku> F4t, no, I don't recommend anything ;)
Jul 11 10:50:34 <mrmoku> I just dislike the 'or any later' thing
Jul 11 10:50:36 <F4t> oh come on, im new to this whole open source and licensing and shit
Jul 11 10:51:08 <F4t> Slyon, http://pastebin.ca/1491714
Jul 11 10:51:15 <mrmoku> F4t, if it would be *my* project I would go with GPLv2... though GPLv3 might be fine as well
Jul 11 10:51:17 <F4t> ahh oops... admiral0 http://pastebin.ca/1491714
Jul 11 10:51:35 <F4t> ok... then im removing the or later.... GPL3 only
Jul 11 10:51:41 <admiral0> thank you
Jul 11 10:51:46 <mrmoku> just the 'any later' thing is what I dislike. And it is not even part of the license
Jul 11 10:52:10 <mrmoku> F4t, ok, will put GPLv3 in the bb then
Jul 11 10:52:30 <mrmoku> F4t, do you plan to use the python-distuils thing?
Jul 11 10:52:57 <F4t> mrmoku, im not sure...
Jul 11 10:53:11 <F4t> mrmoku, if i do will it force some other license on me?
Jul 11 10:53:35 <mrmoku> hehe... :)
Jul 11 10:53:38 <mrmoku> no ide
Jul 11 10:53:39 <mrmoku> a
Jul 11 10:53:42 <mrmoku> don't think so
Jul 11 10:54:41 <mrmoku> it would make my life easier though ;)
Jul 11 10:55:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, I have great news
Jul 11 10:55:43 <TAsn> pyphonelog now uses opimd completely :)
Jul 11 10:55:48 <TAsn> we have passed another hurdle on our way to full opimd integration :)
Jul 11 10:57:32 <admiral0> guys i don't have ttySAC0
Jul 11 10:57:44 <admiral0> how to "mknod" it?
Jul 11 10:59:28 <mrmoku> F4t, forget about python-distutils for now
Jul 11 10:59:37 <mrmoku> TAsn, nice :)
Jul 11 10:59:46 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 10:59:47 <F4t> mrmoku, TAsn, i dont want to modify the current wording myself, can someone point me to a good sample of the license of gpl3 without "any later"
Jul 11 11:00:07 <TAsn> F4t, huh?
Jul 11 11:00:14 <TAsn> for gpl3 just google for gpl3
Jul 11 11:00:19 <TAsn> (if you care about the legal part)
Jul 11 11:00:24 <F4t> i did, cant find the wording to put at the start of the file
Jul 11 11:00:31 <TAsn> bah
Jul 11 11:00:36 <TAsn> google for
Jul 11 11:00:38 <TAsn> gpl3 how to use
Jul 11 11:00:39 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:00:49 <F4t> oh ffs, i did, i got the or later license
Jul 11 11:01:02 <TAsn> you can just drop the or later
Jul 11 11:01:05 <mrmoku> I would just drop that 
Jul 11 11:01:05 <TAsn> it's the same as gpl3
Jul 11 11:01:06 <mrmoku> :)
Jul 11 11:01:17 <TAsn> but why do you want to drop the or later part?
Jul 11 11:01:24 <TAsn> it's actually very important...
Jul 11 11:01:44 <Gorbusch> @ŧasn, because you never know what will be in the later versions
Jul 11 11:02:01 <mrmoku> that would be my reasoning
Jul 11 11:02:09 <TAsn> Gorbusch, but this renders you code useless in the future
Jul 11 11:02:10 <TAsn> I mean
Jul 11 11:02:20 <TAsn> let's take gpl2 licensed code
Jul 11 11:02:21 <mrmoku> they might go wild and put something into GPLv4 that I dislike
Jul 11 11:02:25 <TAsn> as an example
Jul 11 11:02:44 <TAsn> you can't combine gpl3 with gpl2 licensed code
Jul 11 11:02:47 <TAsn> which sucks.
Jul 11 11:03:13 <Gorbusch> which may be exactly what the guy wanted
Jul 11 11:03:47 <F4t> TAsn, id rather not mess with the wording of the header myself
Jul 11 11:03:59 <TAsn> F4t, dropping the or later is ok
Jul 11 11:04:04 <TAsn> I think they even write it in the gnu website
Jul 11 11:04:12 <lindi-> Gorbusch: ue the proxy clause?
Jul 11 11:08:06 <Gorbusch> @lindi- what do you mean?
Jul 11 11:08:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, please rebuild pyphonelog :)
Jul 11 11:09:35 <F4t> mrmoku, TAsn, ok done, its now GPL3 only...
Jul 11 11:09:54 <TAsn> F4t, cool :) (half cool, I would prefer or later, but okie)
Jul 11 11:10:16 <F4t> TAsn, i have to agree with the others, or later is too open...
Jul 11 11:10:32 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:10:54 <F4t> GPLv4: all your code, are belong to us
Jul 11 11:11:10 <lindi-> Gorbusch: have you read gpl3?
Jul 11 11:11:18 <TAsn> F4t, listen to my rationale
Jul 11 11:11:34 <TAsn> gpl2 got released in 91 iirc (not sure)
Jul 11 11:11:45 <TAsn> gpl3 ~ 15 years later iirc
Jul 11 11:11:58 <TAsn> which means that until gpl4 you have at least 6 years
Jul 11 11:12:02 <lindi-> F4t: use lroxy clause of gplv3 at least if "or later" is not ok
Jul 11 11:12:05 <TAsn> which means that your code may outlive you
Jul 11 11:12:38 <F4t> lindi-, i cant remove the or later?
Jul 11 11:12:40 <tmzt> lroxy?
Jul 11 11:12:47 <TAsn> F4t, you can.
Jul 11 11:12:51 <TAsn> as you have ;)
Jul 11 11:13:00 <lindi-> F4t: sure you can
Jul 11 11:13:03 <lindi-> tmzt: proxy
Jul 11 11:13:06 <Gorbusch> @Tasn, same reasoning would be, if the code outlives him, it means he doesn't have to care about later so why use it? ;)
Jul 11 11:13:20 <F4t> :)
Jul 11 11:13:21 <lindi-> tmzt: excuse me for my lack of real keyboard
Jul 11 11:13:27 <tmzt> ok, what does that refer to?
Jul 11 11:13:36 <TAsn> Gorbusch, because people might find it useful :)
Jul 11 11:13:45 * lindi- reads gpl3
Jul 11 11:13:50 <tmzt> like assign without the legal meaning?
Jul 11 11:15:20 <lindi-> tmzt: F4t: Gorbusch: second last paragraph of chapter 14 of gpl3
Jul 11 11:16:58 <F4t> lindi-, ok, anyway i prefer to specify version 3
Jul 11 11:17:04 <DocScrutinizer2> sheeeesh, BIP seems to be an acronym for Borking Infinite Perpetuation
Jul 11 11:18:10 <Gorbusch> @tasn, what do you do if they take the following phrase out in v4?   For the developers' and authors' protection, the GPL clearly explains that there is no warranty for this free software.
Jul 11 11:18:49 <tmzt> bluetooth image protocol?
Jul 11 11:19:06 <TAsn> get sued? :)
Jul 11 11:19:14 <DocScrutinizer2> tmzt: actually a IRC-proxy
Jul 11 11:19:19 <tmzt> ok
Jul 11 11:19:22 <TAsn> hm.. I assume they won't.? :)
Jul 11 11:19:31 <TAsn> j/k
Jul 11 11:19:37 <TAsn> I clearly state it at the top of my code
Jul 11 11:19:37 <TAsn> ...
Jul 11 11:19:53 <DocScrutinizer2> tmzt: that's why paul and my first alter ego are offline right now
Jul 11 11:20:05 <TAsn> dos1, 
Jul 11 11:20:14 <TAsn> pyphonelog-opimd is not the official pyphonelog :)
Jul 11 11:20:16 <TAsn> fixed a bug
Jul 11 11:20:27 <tmzt> don't license blocks usually have that boilerplate?
Jul 11 11:20:27 <TAsn> and sorted stuff a bit more :)
Jul 11 11:20:31 <F4t> well im off to do some wifi testing.... time to put the moko in the microwave again....
Jul 11 11:20:42 <tmzt> with it off
Jul 11 11:20:49 <F4t> tmzt, ye :)
Jul 11 11:20:53 <tmzt> in case anyone is reading
Jul 11 11:20:54 <TAsn> dos1, if you want, wait until mrmoku rebuilds and fetch the package
Jul 11 11:21:19 <dos1> TAsn: which bug and which stuff?
Jul 11 11:21:25 <TAsn> dos1, added the refresh only if needed.
Jul 11 11:21:29 <TAsn> and as for bug
Jul 11 11:21:46 <dos1> TAsn: i have fixed _limit bug in opimd and speeded up quering a little
Jul 11 11:21:48 <TAsn> when you probed for incoming calls
Jul 11 11:21:48 <TAsn> you forgot to filter by answered=1
Jul 11 11:21:58 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: :-D
Jul 11 11:21:58 <dos1> oh, right
Jul 11 11:21:59 <TAsn> which means incoming was filled with missed calls
Jul 11 11:22:09 <TAsn> dos1, btw, I think you should consider changing the newcall signal
Jul 11 11:22:13 <DocScrutinizer2> had a look at http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail ?
Jul 11 11:22:31 <TAsn> to also send the type
Jul 11 11:22:31 <TAsn> (i.e gsm, incoming)
Jul 11 11:22:31 <TAsn> as it's useful
Jul 11 11:22:47 <dos1> TAsn: there are two signals, NewCall and MissedCall
Jul 11 11:22:52 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: you might want to include a "Details" button to settings-power
Jul 11 11:22:54 <TAsn> I know
Jul 11 11:23:05 <DocScrutinizer2> waaah, BIP resurrected
Jul 11 11:23:06 <lindi-> F4t: what is wrong with using proxy?
Jul 11 11:23:06 <dos1> TAsn: it sends path, so you can read all fields
Jul 11 11:23:13 <TAsn> dos1, I know
Jul 11 11:23:20 <TAsn> though it feels a bit "too complex"
Jul 11 11:23:24 <TAsn> and too slow
Jul 11 11:23:29 <TAsn> as you mostly will just want to know
Jul 11 11:23:36 <TAsn> type+direction
Jul 11 11:23:46 <TAsn> don't you agree?
Jul 11 11:24:07 <TAsn> dos1, 
Jul 11 11:24:07 <TAsn> props['_limit'] = PhoneData.conf.getint('phonelog', 'general_limit') 
Jul 11 11:24:07 <TAsn> is good?
Jul 11 11:24:26 <F4t> lindi-, no idea what its implications are, so i just pick verrsion 3
Jul 11 11:24:31 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r44c7e7667556 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: make queries with _limit higher than amount of reslts working
Jul 11 11:24:32 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6133a62b3a5d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: remove unnecessary transformations. Should speed up a litle quering.
Jul 11 11:24:55 <lindi-> F4t: please take a few minutes to read about it
Jul 11 11:25:09 <dos1> TAsn: but then why not also peer and duration? :x
Jul 11 11:25:21 <dos1> TAsn: that line looks good
Jul 11 11:25:36 <TAsn> as you don't always want to know the peer
Jul 11 11:25:37 <TAsn> I mean
Jul 11 11:25:43 <TAsn> gsm + direction
Jul 11 11:25:50 <TAsn> is the lowest filtering
Jul 11 11:26:02 <TAsn> before you even think about the peer
Jul 11 11:26:02 <TAsn> you wanna know the type + direction
Jul 11 11:26:04 <TAsn> at least in my pov
Jul 11 11:26:16 <dos1> and answered...
Jul 11 11:26:44 <Q-Master> dos1: shr-settings shows crap in profile settings
Jul 11 11:26:54 <dos1> Q-Master: hmm?
Jul 11 11:27:01 <F4t> lindi-, i've read about it, i prefer to stick with specific version, rather then mess with proxys
Jul 11 11:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: ack. also think about duration=0 calls
Jul 11 11:27:57 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, by direction
Jul 11 11:28:10 <TAsn> I meant
Jul 11 11:28:10 <TAsn> missed/incoming/outgoing
Jul 11 11:28:10 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:28:10 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: in opimd there is no duration=0. There is answered=0 or 1 ;)
Jul 11 11:28:21 <dos1> TAsn: direction = in or out
Jul 11 11:28:24 <lindi-> F4t: is the only reason because you do not feel you have good understanding of it?
Jul 11 11:28:31 <TAsn> dos1, okie
Jul 11 11:28:32 <Q-Master> dos1: can't set up ring melody and sms melody. there is just no ringtones and sms melody is printed above the profile name in the upper left corner of a window
Jul 11 11:28:34 <TAsn> then add answered
Jul 11 11:28:34 <TAsn> O:)
Jul 11 11:29:20 <F4t> lindi-, i feel i prefer a solid descision then later mess with inaccurate wording or inacurate definition of proxy and stuff like that
Jul 11 11:29:54 <dos1> Q-Master: can you try with shr-settings-debug? here it works :x
Jul 11 11:30:32 <lindi-> F4t: jjust define youself as the proxy
Jul 11 11:30:38 <TAsn> dos1, please consider this
Jul 11 11:30:44 <TAsn> brb :)
Jul 11 11:30:46 <TAsn> dos1, anyhow, drop opimd-phonelog
Jul 11 11:30:51 <TAsn> is it's merged with phonelog
Jul 11 11:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: dos1: you might want to have a look at e.g. twinkle. We probably want to have call-started-time, call-established-time, and call-ended-time
Jul 11 11:31:03 <lindi-> F4t: when a new version comes uot you can read it and announce if it is ok
Jul 11 11:31:11 <F4t> lindi-, i prefer currently not to be reachable physically....
Jul 11 11:31:14 <TAsn> btw, give me your contact info so i'll be able to add you to the contributors list
Jul 11 11:31:38 <TAsn> (now only added sebastian dos1 )
Jul 11 11:31:45 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I'm only talking about initial parameters
Jul 11 11:31:48 <TAsn> you can probe for more
Jul 11 11:31:56 <dos1> TAsn: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1@gmail.com>
Jul 11 11:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: dos1: aah, ok.
Jul 11 11:32:03 <TAsn> though I think having what I stated as first info is the best
Jul 11 11:32:08 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:32:11 <TAsn> because usually
Jul 11 11:32:13 <TAsn> "fast apps"
Jul 11 11:32:16 <TAsn> would like to know about those
Jul 11 11:32:18 <TAsn> and those only
Jul 11 11:32:23 <lindi-> F4t: whst do you mean? you do not want to use your real name?
Jul 11 11:32:24 <TAsn> slow apps would like to know more
Jul 11 11:32:34 <TAsn> and they can wait if they like :)
Jul 11 11:32:35 <F4t> lindi-, yes, for now...
Jul 11 11:32:56 <DocScrutinizer> anyway a call with call-established-time=NUN doesn't need a flag accepted=0 ;-)
Jul 11 11:33:01 <lindi-> F4t: well, how do you think copyright works here?
Jul 11 11:33:25 <TAsn> brb food
Jul 11 11:33:40 <TAsn> dos1, please consider this
Jul 11 11:33:40 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:33:40 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, convince him :)
Jul 11 11:33:40 <TAsn> ciao, brb in 10
Jul 11 11:33:47 <F4t> lindi-, i understand this might aswell invalidate the whole copyright thing, but currently its not THAT important...
Jul 11 11:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Jul 11 11:33:50 <lindi-> F4t: coptrights of pseudonyms are a new area for me
Jul 11 11:33:53 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: enjoy
Jul 11 11:34:26 <lindi-> F4t: is your code in debian?
Jul 11 11:34:55 <F4t> lindi-, in debian? written? or in debian itself?
Jul 11 11:35:15 <DocScrutinizer> s/NUN/NAN/
Jul 11 11:35:18 <lindi-> F4t: in debian distro
Jul 11 11:35:44 <F4t> lindi-, no, dont think i have any hand in debian code....
Jul 11 11:35:56 <lindi-> F4t: ok
Jul 11 11:36:21 <lindi-> F4t: i need to cheK how debian handles pseudonyms
Jul 11 11:37:10 <F4t> lindi-, ur talking chinese to me...
Jul 11 11:37:30 <lindi-> F4t: which part is unclear?
Jul 11 11:37:40 <F4t> pseudonyms
Jul 11 11:39:15 <lindi-> F4t: that is when you use a fictional name instead of real name in copyright clause
Jul 11 11:40:07 <TAsn> okie was less than 10
Jul 11 11:40:14 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:40:17 <dos1> F4t: pseudonyms = nicks ;D
Jul 11 11:40:49 <TAsn> anyhow, dos1 do you agree? :)
Jul 11 11:40:55 <TAsn> (about type, direction, answered)
Jul 11 11:41:26 <dos1> TAsn: i agree, but please send mail about that to smartphone-standards :)
Jul 11 11:41:59 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: what did you do during these 186sec? Had a nap? ;-P
Jul 11 11:42:32 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, ate two stakes :)
Jul 11 11:42:32 <TAsn> steaks*
Jul 11 11:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: two angus bulls
Jul 11 11:43:39 <TAsn> bah.
Jul 11 11:43:39 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 11:43:39 <TAsn> I'm a fast eater
Jul 11 11:43:39 <TAsn> anyhow, dos1, what's their mail? :)
Jul 11 11:43:40 <TAsn> dos1, btw, please give phonelog a go
Jul 11 11:43:42 <TAsn> (latest git)
Jul 11 11:43:46 <TAsn> and uncomment the
Jul 11 11:43:48 <TAsn> limit sections
Jul 11 11:43:50 <TAsn> as I don't have limit fixed frameworkd yet
Jul 11 11:43:52 <TAsn> so I can't test it myself
Jul 11 11:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> please don't implement redundant or incomplete datastructures
Jul 11 11:45:20 <lindi-> F4t: has any free software author ever filed a copyright infridgement lawsuit and remained anonymous? i am worried that you are not getting the protection youWant
Jul 11 11:45:44 <TAsn> lines 553-565~
Jul 11 11:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: TAsn: first we should set up a list of properties and events associated to a generic communication event entity, then check if it's comprehensive, *then* normalize and define table structure
Jul 11 11:50:29 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I'm just "throwing ideas to the air"
Jul 11 11:50:52 <TAsn> nothing more :)
Jul 11 11:50:52 <TAsn> I just saying what I think as the API user
Jul 11 11:51:12 <TAsn> anyhow, dos1 pyphonelog-opimd works great, I'm glad you made the calls domain :)
Jul 11 11:57:39 <dos1> TAsn: works ok with _limit uncommented :)
Jul 11 11:57:46 <TAsn> great :)
Jul 11 11:58:12 <TAsn> dos1, it's safe to rebuild framework, right?
Jul 11 11:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: btw it should be little to no performance punishment to get a full set of data from a record, in competition to retrieving a stripped set
Jul 11 11:58:25 <dos1> TAsn: yep, it should work
Jul 11 11:58:27 <TAsn> (I mean, asking mrmoku to do it)
Jul 11 11:59:21 <TAsn> mrmoku, please rebuild framework, and when you do that let me know, I'll commit my change in pyphonelog and will ask you to rebuild that as well :)
Jul 11 11:59:40 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I don't think you are familiar with current opimd API
Jul 11 11:59:47 <F4t> and then he will ask you to make him cofee too :)
Jul 11 11:59:49 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r3a81c7d41aff 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: [CurrentProfile] don't bounce in ringtone selection list
Jul 11 12:00:05 <TAsn> atm
Jul 11 12:00:05 <TAsn> you only get a signal stating
Jul 11 12:00:05 <TAsn> "NEW CALL"
Jul 11 12:00:05 <TAsn> which has one parameter
Jul 11 12:00:06 <TAsn> which is a path 
Jul 11 12:00:11 <TAsn> (dbus path)
Jul 11 12:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> I.E a SELECT * FROM blah is as fast as a SELECT name FROM blah
Jul 11 12:00:16 <TAsn> you have to connect to
Jul 11 12:00:18 <TAsn> and query
Jul 11 12:00:28 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, read what I'm saying :)
Jul 11 12:00:36 <TAsn> this means, that in order to get the basic data I need
Jul 11 12:00:46 <dos1> mrmobil: you can also build shr-settings :D
Jul 11 12:00:48 <TAsn> I have to get the signal
Jul 11 12:00:48 <TAsn> and then connect to the interface
Jul 11 12:00:51 <TAsn> and ask for more info
Jul 11 12:00:55 <TAsn> which means more ipc lags :)
Jul 11 12:01:08 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, got what I mean?
Jul 11 12:01:29 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Jul 11 12:01:29 <TAsn> and that's in general just annoying to ask for such basic information.
Jul 11 12:01:42 <TAsn> maybe the call should just send a dictionary with all the parameters
Jul 11 12:01:46 <TAsn> I don't mind about that ;)
Jul 11 12:01:57 <TAsn> I just think it should at the very least send the basic stuff I talked about :)
Jul 11 12:05:29 <F4t> btw, i was wondering, why after the update my button in the mokonnect are twice thinner?
Jul 11 12:05:39 <F4t> buttons*
Jul 11 12:06:08 <dos1> F4t: you should upgrade more often ;P
Jul 11 12:07:43 <F4t> dos1, if it wasnt braking the phone each time... i would :D
Jul 11 12:07:56 <dos1> F4t: i'm upgrading almost every day, and it works ok :x
Jul 11 12:08:17 <dos1> mrmoku is alive, he just commited to OE :P
Jul 11 12:08:20 <dos1> mrmobil: ping?
Jul 11 12:08:22 <F4t> dos1 well i for one cant upgrade the kernel, it will kill my windows connectivity
Jul 11 12:08:50 <dos1> uh, windows....
Jul 11 12:09:09 <dos1> i don't need windows connectivity ;>
Jul 11 12:09:50 <F4t> well some of us actually play new games that come out.. :)
Jul 11 12:10:28 <TAsn> F4t, you suck
Jul 11 12:10:30 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:10:34 <F4t> lol
Jul 11 12:10:46 <TAsn> anyhow, F4t you can just disable kernel upgrading in opkg iirc
Jul 11 12:10:55 * mrmoku is also building :P
Jul 11 12:11:01 <TAsn> just mark kernel as not upgradeable :)
Jul 11 12:11:03 <F4t> TAsn, how?
Jul 11 12:11:09 <F4t> where?
Jul 11 12:11:11 <TAsn> just write
Jul 11 12:11:23 <BluesLee_> did the gps configuration changed in the last weeks? i can get no time fix from the gps module?
Jul 11 12:11:25 <TAsn> opkg
Jul 11 12:11:25 <TAsn> you'll get to the help section
Jul 11 12:11:25 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:11:29 <TAsn> something about
Jul 11 12:11:30 <TAsn> opkg flag
Jul 11 12:11:31 <TAsn> iirc
Jul 11 12:12:04 <TAsn> mrmoku, cool:) rebuild framework and let me know so I'll be able to commit pyphonelog and ask you to build that as well ;)
Jul 11 12:12:19 <mrmoku> TAsn, yeah, building frameworkd and connman right now
Jul 11 12:12:28 <TAsn> sweet ;)
Jul 11 12:12:41 <dos1> F4t: Portal 2 will have Linux version, as Source engine is being ported
Jul 11 12:12:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, please also build mokennect :)
Jul 11 12:12:45 <TAsn> I want to give it a go
Jul 11 12:12:46 <mrmoku> TAsn, better commit
Jul 11 12:12:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, okie
Jul 11 12:12:55 <dos1> F4t: and that's all I need, except Frets on Fire ;D
Jul 11 12:12:57 <mrmoku> TAsn, building that locally on my machine now
Jul 11 12:13:01 <mrmoku> if it works I will commit
Jul 11 12:13:10 <mrmoku> though I have to go in 10 minutes
Jul 11 12:13:11 <F4t> dos1, Assasin's creed is great! :D
Jul 11 12:14:03 <TAsn> mrmoku, done
Jul 11 12:14:25 <TAsn> dos1, you didn't do any hackish in pyphonelog limits, right?
Jul 11 12:14:28 <TAsn> (just to make sure)
Jul 11 12:14:39 <dos1> TAsn: hackish? just uncommented lines
Jul 11 12:14:56 <TAsn> I meant when you realized limit
Jul 11 12:15:20 <dos1> TAsn: there was bug in opimd, which produces traceback if limit was higher than amount of results
Jul 11 12:15:35 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: hackish for lunch? ;-D
Jul 11 12:15:41 <dos1> TAsn: i've fixed that, and uncommented your four lines about _limit fields
Jul 11 12:15:43 <dos1> TAsn: and that's all
Jul 11 12:15:58 <TAsn> doesn't work
Jul 11 12:15:58 <TAsn> did you implement limit by yourself in pyphonelog?
Jul 11 12:15:58 <TAsn> or just dropped the issue? :)
Jul 11 12:16:13 <TAsn> dos1, okie :)
Jul 11 12:16:29 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I do hackish every meal of the day
Jul 11 12:16:29 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:16:35 <dos1> TAsn: limit is implemented in opimd, pyphonelog just says to opimd "limit to X results" :P
Jul 11 12:16:49 <TAsn> dos1, ok you didn't get me
Jul 11 12:17:00 <TAsn> but I get the answer to my question
Jul 11 12:17:20 <TAsn> all I asked is if you ever wrote a hackish limit in pyphonelog
Jul 11 12:17:28 <TAsn> because you noticed limit through opimd doesn't work
Jul 11 12:17:36 <TAsn> but it seems like you didn't :)
Jul 11 12:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: seems you silled some hackish over the code, and then did comment-camouflage on it
Jul 11 12:17:41 <TAsn> which is great.
Jul 11 12:17:42 <dos1> TAsn: ah, no, i didn't
Jul 11 12:17:48 <DocScrutinizer> sPilled
Jul 11 12:18:05 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, no, dos1 did the comment-camouflage ;)
Jul 11 12:18:06 <mrmoku> TAsn, f073367510f20fc03e2d2dd3054ccbc8e279eb70 is the correct one?
Jul 11 12:18:10 <mrmoku> (pyphonelog)
Jul 11 12:18:12 <TAsn> latest?
Jul 11 12:18:13 <TAsn> hm.. sec
Jul 11 12:18:29 <TAsn> aye
Jul 11 12:18:31 <mrmoku> k
Jul 11 12:18:36 <mrmoku> building index
Jul 11 12:18:40 <TAsn> cool :)
Jul 11 12:19:30 <mrmoku> TAsn, ok, here you go :)
Jul 11 12:19:52 <TAsn> thanks
Jul 11 12:20:32 <TAsn> btw
Jul 11 12:20:41 <TAsn> we'll have to drop ophonekitd's phonelogging code
Jul 11 12:20:49 <TAsn> someone should do it sometime ;)
Jul 11 12:21:31 <mrmoku> I don't know how much time I have today... but Ainulindale said he is available ;)
Jul 11 12:21:41 <TAsn> hehe
Jul 11 12:23:55 <sriranjan> hi
Jul 11 12:24:07 <sriranjan> i am a newbie to openmoko and IRC 
Jul 11 12:24:25 <sriranjan> i tried building the fso-testing image using mokomake
Jul 11 12:24:32 <sriranjan> and i am getting a lot of errors
Jul 11 12:24:46 <sriranjan> could some one please suggest me how to build an error free stable image
Jul 11 12:25:07 <dos1> fso-testing?
Jul 11 12:25:12 <dos1> why? :x
Jul 11 12:25:15 <TAsn> sriranjan, are you sure you followed guide completely?
Jul 11 12:25:26 <TAsn> if so knowing the errors might help us help you ;)
Jul 11 12:25:26 <sriranjan> hmmm
Jul 11 12:25:28 <sriranjan> yep
Jul 11 12:25:36 <sriranjan> i installed all the things for OE
Jul 11 12:25:41 <sriranjan> and then did wget
Jul 11 12:25:45 <sriranjan> got the make
Jul 11 12:25:59 <sriranjan> i installed linux 6 times now
Jul 11 12:26:06 <sriranjan> intially i worked as a root
Jul 11 12:26:10 <sriranjan> and messed up things
Jul 11 12:26:24 <sriranjan> shall i paste the errors just like that here
Jul 11 12:26:41 <sriranjan> now things are working
Jul 11 12:26:47 <sriranjan> i got qemu to run
Jul 11 12:26:50 <mrmoku> cu later
Jul 11 12:26:56 <sriranjan> now when i tried with the moko make file 
Jul 11 12:27:01 <sriranjan> things wen haywire
Jul 11 12:27:04 <TAsn> sriranjan, no matter what
Jul 11 12:27:10 <TAsn> DO NOT PASTE HERE!
Jul 11 12:27:14 <sriranjan> ok
Jul 11 12:27:14 <TAsn> pastebin :)
Jul 11 12:27:17 <TAsn> mrmoku|away, ciao, thanks a lot.
Jul 11 12:27:23 <TAsn> works.
Jul 11 12:27:23 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:27:38 <sriranjan> i am new to using IRC
Jul 11 12:27:47 <sriranjan> could you please tell me about paste bin thingy
Jul 11 12:28:04 <TAsn> pastebin.com
Jul 11 12:28:20 <F4t> pastebin.ca
Jul 11 12:28:41 <TAsn> F4t, whatever :)
Jul 11 12:28:49 <TAsn> .ca is sometimes laggy
Jul 11 12:28:53 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:29:02 <F4t> thouse demn canadians 
Jul 11 12:29:49 <sriranjan> link here : http://pastebin.com/m60db2fa7
Jul 11 12:30:05 <sriranjan> TAsn
Jul 11 12:30:07 <sriranjan> :)
Jul 11 12:30:18 <TAsn> I don't have a lot of time
Jul 11 12:30:19 <TAsn> but sec
Jul 11 12:30:28 <TAsn> i'll give it a quick look
Jul 11 12:30:33 <sriranjan> thanks
Jul 11 12:30:44 <TAsn> read the troubleshoot
Jul 11 12:30:51 <TAsn> I think there was something about lib-gpg
Jul 11 12:31:06 <dos1> Q-Master: oh, i think i know
Jul 11 12:31:13 <TAsn> search the shr wiki/openmoko wiki
Jul 11 12:31:17 <dos1> Q-Master: Arkanoid.sid theme was removed
Jul 11 12:31:32 <dos1> Q-Master: and shr-settings doesn't know what to do (is tracebacks i think)
Jul 11 12:31:36 <sriranjan> ok
Jul 11 12:31:45 <dos1> s/is/it/
Jul 11 12:31:45 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: Q-Master: and shr-settings doesn't know what to do (it tracebacks i think)
Jul 11 12:31:48 <sriranjan> hey does the testing image means unstable?
Jul 11 12:31:59 <sriranjan> so can get a stable image and build it?
Jul 11 12:32:04 <TAsn> sriranjan, unstable means unstable
Jul 11 12:32:07 <TAsn> testing means testing
Jul 11 12:32:13 <sriranjan> ok
Jul 11 12:32:17 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:32:17 <TAsn> though in shr
Jul 11 12:32:17 <TAsn> testing means crap
Jul 11 12:32:22 <TAsn> unstable means the unstable :)
Jul 11 12:32:29 <sriranjan> hmm
Jul 11 12:32:29 <TAsn> sriranjan, you can build stable fso
Jul 11 12:32:36 <sriranjan> so if i build another image
Jul 11 12:32:41 <F4t> so basically you have a choice between crap and unstable...
Jul 11 12:32:43 <sriranjan> what changes i hae to do now?
Jul 11 12:32:58 <TAsn> sriranjan, why do you even want to build an image yourself?
Jul 11 12:33:01 <TAsn> sriranjan, no idea.
Jul 11 12:33:05 <TAsn> F4t, exactly :)
Jul 11 12:33:17 <TAsn> though I gotta admit unstable is great
Jul 11 12:33:20 <F4t> TAsn, and then you ask me why i dont use the moko as a phone yet...
Jul 11 12:33:22 <TAsn> and we'll hopefully start using testing soon 
Jul 11 12:33:28 <TAsn> F4t, :)
Jul 11 12:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, saturday afternoon here, time of childrens TV series
Jul 11 12:35:18 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #551 (Ophonekitd doesn't start at boot after latest upgrade) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/551#comment:2>
Jul 11 12:36:23 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r2e741fa72340 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: [CurrentProfile] don't fail if set sid file doesn't exist
Jul 11 12:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: did you manage to tag a green batch for image-status to U20090703?
Jul 11 12:36:47 <F4t> "opkg install ophonekitd -force-reinstall" fixes #551 :D
Jul 11 12:37:08 <Toaster`> dos1: ping
Jul 11 12:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: didn't you learn to check *each* returncode meanwhile? ;-)
Jul 11 12:38:01 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: that wasn't my code :DDDD
Jul 11 12:38:05 <dos1> Toaster`: pong
Jul 11 12:38:12 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: that's Toaster's fail! ;D
Jul 11 12:38:13 <Toaster`> Morning
Jul 11 12:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> hrhrhrrr
Jul 11 12:38:21 <Toaster`> yeah... it was
Jul 11 12:38:47 <Toaster`> if you mean settings breaking when the tone file doesn't exist?
Jul 11 12:39:01 <Toaster`> I was going to say I fixed that last night and forgot to commit it
Jul 11 12:39:14 <Toaster`> but I see that dos1 already did that
Jul 11 12:39:49 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: btw it seems common sense malloc is the only call that makes few sense to check returncode, except for a hard exit() maybe
Jul 11 12:40:37 <dos1> Toaster`: check, which fix is "better"
Jul 11 12:40:43 <dos1> Toaster`: i've only added try: and except:
Jul 11 12:40:47 <sriranjan> i want to make a GPS app
Jul 11 12:40:47 <sriranjan> and load it into the phone
Jul 11 12:40:47 <sriranjan> i want to use the GPS app in my project
Jul 11 12:40:47 <sriranjan> so ...i just started to learn about the openmoko thingy
Jul 11 12:40:48 <sriranjan> it sounds challenging
Jul 11 12:41:00 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, yeah, it's bad :)
Jul 11 12:41:08 <TAsn> if you flash it, upgrade to latest 
Jul 11 12:41:10 <Toaster`> I rearranged it, and used os.path.exists() instead of try.
Jul 11 12:41:24 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I think it's bad, as I think ophonekitd's phonelog was broken there
Jul 11 12:41:30 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, anyhow, I'm trying to do something else
Jul 11 12:41:34 <TAsn> instead of an indicator
Jul 11 12:41:48 <TAsn> I want to start migrating unstable to testing on a weekly basis, what do you think?
Jul 11 12:42:03 <TAsn> this way we'll have meaningful testing and unstable images :)
Jul 11 12:42:13 <dos1> Toaster`: then revert my "fix" and commit yours
Jul 11 12:42:30 <Toaster`> dos1: ok.
Jul 11 12:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: sounds like a plan
Jul 11 12:42:54 <TAsn> dos1, Ainulindale, ptitjes_, mrmoku|away , anyone I forgot, please comment to my mail on shr-core :)
Jul 11 12:44:18 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: phonelog takes AGES to load (I know...), but except that it works for me ;-) (20090703)
Jul 11 12:44:27 <F4t> Mokonnect has now timeouts! :D
Jul 11 12:44:43 <sriranjan> so if i have to build this GPS app using openmoko on free runner could some one suggest what is the shortest possible way?
Jul 11 12:44:45 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, that's not optimized :)
Jul 11 12:44:51 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, opkg upgrade
Jul 11 12:44:53 <TAsn> to latest
Jul 11 12:45:04 <TAsn> will clear your db (as I moved to opimd's phonelogging db)
Jul 11 12:45:12 <TAsn> but it should be faster
Jul 11 12:45:22 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, and you can speed up pyphonelog a lot
Jul 11 12:45:47 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: toldya I know...
Jul 11 12:45:47 <TAsn> if you take a specific version (between the one you have and the latest, the last one before opimd integration)
Jul 11 12:45:57 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, I know you know
Jul 11 12:46:09 <TAsn> I'm just suggesting you to upgrade already ;)
Jul 11 12:46:26 <TAsn> you are an unstable user, START ACTING AS ONE! UPGRADE!!!
Jul 11 12:46:27 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:46:54 <DocScrutinizer> bah!
Jul 11 12:47:01 <Toaster`> ok, I have to go.  dos1, I'll revert you change and commit mine once I get home.  I have a family thing and my local git tree needs some work before a clean push.
Jul 11 12:47:12 <dos1> Toaster`: ok, ca
Jul 11 12:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> upgrade is for masochists
Jul 11 12:48:55 <Slyon> can someone help me? i'm trying to build shr-u but get an error with the git-native package
Jul 11 12:49:23 <sriranjan> so TAsn
Jul 11 12:49:32 <TAsn> sriranjan, ?
Jul 11 12:50:03 <sriranjan> is it with the lib-gpg
Jul 11 12:50:06 <sriranjan> or with the image
Jul 11 12:50:28 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: I have a caller number "NULL" in phonelog. Did someone change that to a more polite "hidden" or "anonymous" or sth? :-)
Jul 11 12:50:42 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, haha it's me ;)
Jul 11 12:50:59 <TAsn> NULL means anonymous
Jul 11 12:51:05 <sriranjan> ?
Jul 11 12:51:12 <TAsn> it's like this sicne day one
Jul 11 12:51:12 <TAsn> you can change it in
Jul 11 12:51:13 <TAsn> ~/.phonelog/phonelog.conf
Jul 11 12:51:18 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:51:21 <TAsn> to whatever you want
Jul 11 12:51:36 <TAsn> should probably change the default as it's not funny anymore :)
Jul 11 12:51:39 <DocScrutinizer> ooh! how?
Jul 11 12:52:40 * DocScrutinizer starts to clumsy grepping phonelog.conf
Jul 11 12:52:49 <TAsn> just vim 
Jul 11 12:53:03 <TAsn> /NULL
Jul 11 12:53:03 <TAsn> and change to whatever you want ;)
Jul 11 12:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, seen it
Jul 11 12:55:11 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: what's "missed=12342.3646462282"?
Jul 11 12:56:02 <TAsn> that's a timestamp
Jul 11 12:56:10 <TAsn> of the last time you read the missed tab
Jul 11 12:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> aah, i c
Jul 11 12:56:21 <TAsn> this is how I check if I should mark in read or not
Jul 11 12:56:26 <TAsn> ;)
Jul 11 12:56:36 <DocScrutinizer> yesyes
Jul 11 12:58:10 <TAsn> pyphonelog is pretty configurable :)
Jul 11 12:58:23 <TAsn> I like letting the users to choose what they like
Jul 11 12:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: I suggest s/NULL/??????/
Jul 11 12:58:45 <DocScrutinizer> for default
Jul 11 12:58:53 <TAsn> yuck no
Jul 11 12:59:05 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 12:59:21 <TAsn> hidden
Jul 11 12:59:31 <TAsn> is probably the best
Jul 11 12:59:39 <TAsn> should just check the standard
Jul 11 12:59:39 <TAsn> what's the standard?
Jul 11 13:00:33 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: muhahaha, call back a NULL!! ;-P
Jul 11 13:00:54 <TAsn> that will cause a meltdown
Jul 11 13:01:17 <TAsn> DO NOT DO THAT :)
Jul 11 13:01:17 <TAsn> actually I'm not sure what it does, hm.. I wonder if I handled that.
Jul 11 13:01:40 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: TICKET!!!! ;-)
Jul 11 13:01:47 <TAsn> meltdown
Jul 11 13:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> nope,
Jul 11 13:01:49 <TAsn> crap 
Jul 11 13:01:49 <TAsn> fixing
Jul 11 13:01:50 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 13:01:50 <BillK> DocScrutinizer: neat - ?????? is good :)
Jul 11 13:01:54 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, just won't call
Jul 11 13:01:54 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 13:02:02 <TAsn> BillK, don't encourage him!
Jul 11 13:02:10 <BillK> :)
Jul 11 13:02:43 <DocScrutinizer> here it called "*****" and announcement told me I dialed wrong number - HAHA
Jul 11 13:03:57 <TAsn> cool
Jul 11 13:03:58 <TAsn> fixed it
Jul 11 13:04:03 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 13:05:12 <TAsn> now the number is also NULL
Jul 11 13:05:12 <TAsn> instead of
Jul 11 13:05:12 <TAsn> *****
Jul 11 13:05:12 <TAsn> which was the default hardcoded number :)
Jul 11 13:05:31 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, dedicated to you:
Jul 11 13:05:33 <TAsn> [master ebb5159] You can't call NULL anymore! :) (who were you trying to reach anyway?)
Jul 11 13:06:12 <F4t> TAsn, god?
Jul 11 13:09:33 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 13:09:42 <TAsn> to me it seems like he was trying to defy the almighty
Jul 11 13:09:42 <TAsn> :)
Jul 11 13:11:14 <TAsn> anyhow I'm off
Jul 11 13:13:51 <F4t> finished marking 0.2 version of mokonnect... 
Jul 11 13:13:57 <F4t> pkg is online at opkg
Jul 11 13:16:29 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * re5f6c78f177b 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/profiles/phone/ (default.yaml ring.yaml): frameworkd-config-shr: change default message tone from non-existent Arkanoid.sid to notify_message.wav
Jul 11 13:16:40 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r9ae37bd427ba 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ringtone_ringnroll.wav: frameworkd-config-shr: convert ringtone_ringnroll.wav to mono
Jul 11 13:16:41 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r2ec94fc9de99 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/notify_message.wav: frameworkd-config-shr: add openmoko notify_message converted to mono WAVE
Jul 11 13:17:12 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07artwork * rb03e4fa763fc 10/sounds/LICENSE: Remove unnecessary LICENCE file (has only information about already removed ringtone)
Jul 11 13:17:30 <dos1> mickey|lunch: ping
Jul 11 13:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> F*CK!! :-( lost connection to IRC again. BIP (server box) sucks!
Jul 11 13:19:36 <mickey|lunch> dos1: pong
Jul 11 13:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: could you check what it gets you to when you accept an inbound call that arrives during test-playback of new ringtone in settings-profiles?
Jul 11 13:20:38 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: amazingly enough it worked great for me to stop test-playback, start ringtone&vibrator, pop up dialer and actually accept the call. Alas after ending call dbus was borked fubar, actually dialer didn't even accept any button to end call and stated "active call" until I rebooted
Jul 11 13:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> s/for me to/for me, as it did/
Jul 11 13:20:44 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: TAsn: amazingly enough it worked great for me, as it did stop test-playback, start ringtone&vibrator, pop up dialer and actually accept the call. Alas after ending call dbus was borked fubar, actually dialer didn't even accept any button to end call and s...
Jul 11 13:21:44 <dos1> mickeyl: why for in artwork.git is notify_message.mp3, as it isn't installed in fso-sounds? shouldn't it be removed or changed to wav file?
Jul 11 13:22:12 <mickeyl> those *.mp3 were only used by me for testing. we can remove them for now
Jul 11 13:22:18 <mickeyl> feel free ot
Jul 11 13:22:21 <mickeyl> s/ot/to/
Jul 11 13:22:22 <bzzbot> mickeyl meant: feel free to
Jul 11 13:23:18 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07artwork * r3a4767ec0198 10/sounds/notify_message.mp3: Remove notify_message.mp3 file
Jul 11 13:25:32 <DocScrutinizer2> WHAT? no more arkanoids? ;-(
Jul 11 13:30:00 <mickeyl> no, SID is gone as default ringtone
Jul 11 13:30:07 <mickeyl> under protest, but it's gone
Jul 11 13:32:28 <CIA-45> SHR: 03helge.hafting 07shr * r3b5a96bd311d 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/ (configure.ac po/nb.po): Add norwegian translation
Jul 11 13:32:39 <CIA-45> SHR: 03vanous 07shr * r99e53e5e757d 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/po/cs.po: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: update czech translation
Jul 11 13:32:43 <ptitjes_> Ainulindale: oki
Jul 11 13:33:17 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: do you want URL for Arkanoid.sid?
Jul 11 13:33:55 <dos1> oh, 404 :(
Jul 11 13:36:55 <mickeyl> i think it's great to show off that we can do SID what no one else can, but for Openmoko devices, gstreamer is too heavy
Jul 11 13:37:07 <mickeyl> will come back to .sid ringtones on faster machines
Jul 11 13:37:39 <DocScrutinizer2> shit, BIP is down again
Jul 11 13:43:35 <DocScrutinizer2> can't tell how much I *hate* this - writing IRC posts and sending them to /dev/null as xchat (as well as any other client) doesn't recognize the IRC-proxy is down and reconnect takes forever
Jul 11 13:45:38 <DocScrutinizer2> mickeyl: inbound call during test-playback of ringtone in shr-settings-profiles reproducably breaks dbus beyond all repair, *after* call ends
Jul 11 13:46:27 <DocScrutinizer2> sometimes even the moment you accept the call
Jul 11 13:47:26 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf4f8131dab4d 10/data/po/shr-settings.pot: [data] update pot file
Jul 11 13:47:26 <CIA-45> SHR: 03vanous 07shr-settings * r9d2e69b3d82e 10/data/po/cs/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [data] update czech translation
Jul 11 13:47:27 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r5cdba8825663 10/data/po/pl/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [data] update polish translation
Jul 11 13:52:13 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r9319a8f50766 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/po/nb.po: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: convert norwegian translation to UTF-8
Jul 11 13:53:27 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: I'll simply keep arkanoid from current image :-)
Jul 11 13:53:36 <dos1> :)
Jul 11 13:54:17 <DocScrutinizer2> mickeyl: ...as I never had severe issues with sid-files being a cpu-hog or introducing delay (lately)
Jul 11 13:55:39 <CIA-45> SHR: 03helge.hafting 07shr-settings * r698950deea2b 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [data] add norwegian translation
Jul 11 13:55:40 <DocScrutinizer2> mickeyl: ok, maybe it takes 3 sec to start rngtone. However vibrator is started immediately, and tbh I like it that way
Jul 11 13:56:31 <dos1> ok, all translations from maillist commited
Jul 11 13:57:23 <dos1> oh, there is new :D
Jul 11 13:57:24 <dos1> danish...
Jul 11 13:59:22 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: are all those translations installed by default? Could we consider to select which translation files to actually install, during initial setup? Most users will happily discard all but one, and get free storage rather
Jul 11 13:59:41 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: no, they are only in feed by default
Jul 11 13:59:49 <DocScrutinizer2> aah, ok then
Jul 11 14:00:04 <dos1> (every translation has own package)
Jul 11 14:01:29 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: you're he master of steeings-profile, no?
Jul 11 14:01:36 <DocScrutinizer2> settings
Jul 11 14:02:10 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: what do you mean by that? :P
Jul 11 14:03:08 <CIA-45> SHR: 03ole 07shr-settings * rc7394733b525 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [data] add danish translation
Jul 11 14:03:13 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: as I can't open tickets due to confirmation-mail never arrives - could you check what's odd with inbound call during test-playback of ringtone?
Jul 11 14:03:45 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: it can be issue with playing multiple sounds in odeviced
Jul 11 14:03:57 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: somehow this borks dbus fubar
Jul 11 14:04:35 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: amazingly it usually stops test-playback - at least.
Jul 11 14:04:55 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: once it even started usual ringtone playback
Jul 11 14:05:21 <CIA-45> SHR: 03ole 07shr * r356fcaffed92 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/ (configure.ac po/da.po): libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: add danish translation
Jul 11 14:05:28 <DocScrutinizer2> and I was able to accept phonecall and to talk. Then it borked at end of call
Jul 11 14:06:40 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: I had case where testplayback stopped, but no ringtone, and no "accept call" possible, and vibrator continued until shutdown actually powered down device ;-P
Jul 11 14:07:55 <DocScrutinizer2> anyway you can rely on you have to reboot device when inbound call during testplayback
Jul 11 14:08:21 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: could you do "/etc/init.d/frameworkd stop", then run "frameworkd" in console instead of "/etc/init.d/frameworkd start", and do that thing with call and testplayback?
Jul 11 14:08:33 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: maybe it'll produce traceback
Jul 11 14:08:43 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: and then mickeyl will fix that :D
Jul 11 14:08:55 <DocScrutinizer2> I'll do that eventually
Jul 11 14:09:25 <DocScrutinizer2> think it might be feasible, even with dbus completely borked
Jul 11 14:09:42 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: don't forget to "killall -9 ophonekitd" before first command, and to run ophonekitd (can be from SHR Settings) after second ;)
Jul 11 14:10:22 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: that's not dbus which is borked... huh, i should change that messages in shr settings to "FSO don't respond" or something like that :P
Jul 11 14:10:28 <dos1> or even "FSO borked" :D
Jul 11 14:10:40 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Jul 11 14:13:34 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: you (SHR-team) should consider to officially release a beta (or even RC1). We could get a few lines in It-newspapers on that
Jul 11 14:17:08 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: milestone1?
Jul 11 14:17:38 <mrmoku> huh
Jul 11 14:18:05 <mrmoku> did not even remember I have irssi still running on my moko :P
Jul 11 14:19:45 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=accepted&status=reopened&group=status&milestone=MS1
Jul 11 14:19:48 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #543 (Alarm doesn't work) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/543#comment:1>
Jul 11 14:20:53 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: trac.shr doesn't like me anymore (so I don't like trac then ;-)
Jul 11 14:21:24 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: well, there are 7 tickets for milestone1 in trac :)
Jul 11 14:26:03 <mrmoku> dos1, what to build? I have to go in 10min again ;)
Jul 11 14:27:34 <dos1> mrmoku: fso-sounds, frameworkd, frameworkd-config-shr, opimd-utils, pyphonelog, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, shr-settings
Jul 11 14:27:37 <dos1> mrmoku: i think that's all :D
Jul 11 14:29:05 <mrmoku> ok building that
Jul 11 14:30:13 <dos1> mickeyl: you could consider marking milestone5.5 as complete in trac ;)
Jul 11 14:31:33 <mrmoku> F4t, mkconfig.py - where does it want to create it?
Jul 11 14:40:17 <dos1> mickeyl: could you also set me as owner of framework/opimd component? i would be nice to track all opimd bugs introduced by me ;)
Jul 11 14:44:10 <ptitjes_> Ainulindale: I see no new mail from you there :(
Jul 11 14:44:19 <ptitjes_> Ainulindale: could you tell me what thread ?
Jul 11 14:52:18 <F4t> mrmoku, in the folder of mokonnect.py usually
Jul 11 14:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: if I would confirm my account at trac.shr with a temporary mailaddr, could you then change back the mailaddr to joerg.om without rendering void the confirmed-status?
Jul 11 14:53:12 <F4t> mrmoku, v0.2 is out :)
Jul 11 14:54:58 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, no, did not see a way to change the mailaddr :(
Jul 11 14:55:06 <mrmoku> F4t, and in the shr feed :-)
Jul 11 14:55:18 <F4t> coool! :D
Jul 11 14:55:26 <mrmoku> F4t, I packaged it with mokonnect.py in /usr/bin and the others in site-packages
Jul 11 14:55:42 <F4t> mrmoku, ow, i dislike that method...
Jul 11 14:55:55 <mrmoku> hmm
Jul 11 14:56:09 <F4t> it will cause mkconfig.py to be created in /usr/bin
Jul 11 14:56:29 <F4t> and it will imply the other files are python librarys rather then integral part of the app, i think,...
Jul 11 14:56:40 <mrmoku> yep, which is as bad as installing it in the homedir ;)
Jul 11 14:56:57 <F4t> whats wrong with /usr/share/mokonnect?
Jul 11 14:57:19 <mrmoku> hmm... nothing
Jul 11 14:57:21 <dos1> mrmoku: tell me when building that packages which i told you finish
Jul 11 14:57:24 <F4t> ahh your talking about the hackinsh install.sh? 
Jul 11 14:57:26 <mrmoku> did not think correctly about it
Jul 11 14:57:31 <mrmoku> yep
Jul 11 14:57:45 <mrmoku> /usr/share/mokonnect and a link in /usr/bin
Jul 11 14:57:49 <mrmoku> will do that... later ;)
Jul 11 14:57:52 <mrmoku> have to go now
Jul 11 14:58:18 <F4t> lol ok... take a look at the script that builds the ipk...
Jul 11 14:58:30 <F4t> it has the paths correctly...
Jul 11 14:58:31 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, could please take a look why registering in our trac is painful?
Jul 11 14:58:50 <mrmoku> it creates some kind of loop-link for confirming the password
Jul 11 14:58:55 <dos1> mrmoku: oh, it already finished?
Jul 11 14:58:55 <mrmoku> anyway.. have to run
Jul 11 14:59:00 <mrmoku> dos1, yep
Jul 11 14:59:04 <dos1> mrmoku: ok, thanks :D
Jul 11 14:59:10 <mrmoku> finished and synced
Jul 11 14:59:11 <mrmoku> cu
Jul 11 14:59:12 <dos1> so i can start to break things ;)
Jul 11 14:59:17 <mrmoku> go ahead ;)
Jul 11 15:03:38 <F4t> crap, did i miss the answer?
Jul 11 15:10:07 <F4t> anyone? where the bitbake scripts stored for shr?
Jul 11 15:11:31 <dos1> F4t: which answer?
Jul 11 15:12:25 <F4t> <F4t> could someone link me to the bitbake script for mokonnect i wanna take a look and perhaps save mrmoku some work
Jul 11 15:12:31 <F4t> my conn died after that
Jul 11 15:12:45 <dos1> F4t: and we didn't get that
Jul 11 15:12:58 <F4t> oh
Jul 11 15:13:00 <dos1> F4t: here: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/?h=shr/import
Jul 11 15:13:07 <Slyon> F4t: look here: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/connman?h=shr/import&id=d9bcf03260047bc61c92d77330a6d0479d16fda8
Jul 11 15:13:37 <F4t> thanks
Jul 11 15:20:45 <CIA-45> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rdee4b2bc7cf0 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/profiles/phone/ (default.yaml ring.yaml silent.yaml vibrate.yaml): frameworkd-config-shr: remove message-length (we're using now wav file), add message-loop, change 0 and 1 to false and true in boolean keys
Jul 11 15:32:55 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: remove length, add loop??? o.O how's that supposed to work together then? For call it's rather concludent, for message I don't get it
Jul 11 15:33:21 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: add message-loop, but false :D
Jul 11 15:33:51 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: and message-length is necessary only for SIDs, which doesn't have any info about length i think...
Jul 11 15:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> €ou won't see me taken by surprise if there's some flaws in that (still or now)
Jul 11 15:36:26 <DocScrutinizer> anyway seems all that never woked correctly before. So I guess it won't get worse ;-P
Jul 11 15:36:26 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: well, it looping without specified length already works in calls :P
Jul 11 15:36:41 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: in messages there is no length and no looping :D
Jul 11 15:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> formerly loop for sms worked, but length didn't, so signal on inbound sms never stopped until boot ;-P
Jul 11 15:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> volume also seems void
Jul 11 15:43:02 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I never seen a decent (=meeting my needs) handling of signaling in any phone/OS, except for twinkephone (guess who invented the idea of scripthooks there ;-P )
Jul 11 15:45:45 <DocScrutinizer> it's always like choosing from fastfood restaurant menu if basically you intended to cook for your GF and you
Jul 11 15:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> braindead winmoob6 has "vib then ring" and "ramp up ring", where I would want "vib, then ramp up ring" :-(
Jul 11 15:48:00 <DocScrutinizer> and sometimes I even would want display backlite to flash. 
Jul 11 15:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> all a snap with a script called on inbound call, and another one called on call-aborted/accepted etc
Jul 11 15:49:03 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: looks like you misunderstoond lenght
Jul 11 15:49:09 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it isn't for looping ;)
Jul 11 15:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> honestly I don't get it what's it worth for at all
Jul 11 15:50:06 <DocScrutinizer> and honestly I don't care
Jul 11 15:50:19 <DocScrutinizer> see above notes
Jul 11 15:50:26 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it's for SID files, where you don't know when to stop playing, as sid files doesn't contain informations about length
Jul 11 15:50:35 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: or for cutting too long ringtone
Jul 11 15:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> :x
Jul 11 15:51:43 <DocScrutinizer> no comment, as I'm sure with 10sec of thinking you can imagine all I might utter
Jul 11 15:52:29 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: but i agree with you
Jul 11 15:52:41 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i'm only telling you how it works now ;)
Jul 11 16:00:37 <dos1> i've updated opimd wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd
Jul 11 16:00:43 <dos1> maybe it'll be usable for someone
Jul 11 16:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> SCNR. one comment: if I play back a ringtone, I give a f*ck about if there's any length info in the file. I simply choose whether it may loop, and it instanciate a timer to trigger teardown of playback process if this process didn't stop yet by itself when timer expires
Jul 11 16:02:46 <DocScrutinizer> that's "length" then
Jul 11 16:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> nothing more to it, no matter if that's wav or SID or whatever
Jul 11 16:08:56 <DocScrutinizer> if sid is such a braindamaged format to allow multiple tunes in one file, but even the shortest tune pads the end with silence until it reaches playback time of longest tune in same file... Well then this type of ringtone file simply isn't usable for ringtones
Jul 11 16:10:20 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I wonder if that's correct behaviour for sid, and if it actually is, wtf defined this and for WHAT?
Jul 11 16:14:09 <PaulFertser> mrmoku|away: really? i think it's non-safe. :-/
Jul 11 16:31:16 <dos1> looking at oxygen iconset... i'm searching for phone icon, and i found two: phone.png and phone-openmoko-freerunner.png... and i don't know which to use :D
Jul 11 16:31:21 <dos1> (for opimd-utils)
Jul 11 16:38:47 <Ainulindale> Hey there
Jul 11 16:45:51 <DocScrutinizer> ok, sid(play) is definitely braindead product of a fool. It obviously knows when to stop playing notes, but it isn't capable of detecting this condition as a exit-criterion. Finally sid isn't a sensible format for ringtones in any way then
Jul 11 16:47:05 <DocScrutinizer> I guess we should convert those lovely tunes to wav (might do that eventually)
Jul 11 16:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> still I wonder what might mean "loop" for (x)sidplay then
Jul 11 16:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> honestly a wellthought system architecture might use "mp3-player" app RPC to playback ringtones. Would solve handling of concurrent music playback in a very natural way en passent
Jul 11 16:57:12 <DocScrutinizer2> and for this sidplay crap: it probably would do better to defina a silence-duration-threshold to detect end-of-tune rather than having a length-parameter. I just can't believe it... >:-(
Jul 11 16:58:08 <DocScrutinizer2> well, C64... :x
Jul 11 17:05:40 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: please explain to me THAT: http://pastebin.com/f483f027b
Jul 11 17:06:16 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: | Song Length  : 03:30
Jul 11 17:06:23 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: dunno, i was only repeating what i saw in FSO sources :x
Jul 11 17:07:17 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: yes, if you do *not* create a wav, rather simply playback it tells " Song Length  : UNKNOWN" and never finishes
Jul 11 17:07:44 <DocScrutinizer2> probably the coder of this app wasn't aware you shouldn't mix vodka and crack
Jul 11 17:08:39 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, wait - C64 age, so s/crack/LSD/
Jul 11 17:13:01 <DocScrutinizer2> SIDPLAY2 Home Page 
Jul 11 17:13:03 <DocScrutinizer2>  Sidplay 2 is the second in the Sidplay series originally developed by Michael Schwendt. This version is written by Simon White and is cycle accurate for improved sound reproduction
Jul 11 17:13:14 <DocScrutinizer2> LATEST INFORMATION
Jul 11 17:13:15 <DocScrutinizer2> SIDPLAY V2.0.9 RELEASED (14th Jun 2004)
Jul 11 17:13:45 <DocScrutinizer2> no more to say
Jul 11 17:14:35 <DocScrutinizer2> :-P
Jul 11 17:16:14 <DocScrutinizer2> and I was wondering "WTF no ALSA, only OSS and ARTs??" - lol
Jul 11 17:25:14 <mbuf> Is it possible to use poky to build an image for FreeRunner (gta02)? officially they have support for FIC gta01;
Jul 11 17:34:42 <PaulFertser> eolson: have you tried to echo fast_cccv > chgmode ?
Jul 11 17:36:35 <PaulFertser> eolson: seem to do exactly what you want
Jul 11 18:14:23 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/arkanoid-wav/
Jul 11 18:15:38 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: :)
Jul 11 18:15:43 <DocScrutinizer2> PaulFertser: AIUI we always should have fast_cccv, no?
Jul 11 18:16:21 <DocScrutinizer2> isn't that (bat|usb-)curlim that needs to be tweaked by eolson ?
Jul 11 18:16:50 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer2: i guess it's turned off until the device is enumerated. And pcf50606 is different (simpler), so pcf50633 curlim nodes do not apply.
Jul 11 18:17:05 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer2: at least it's how the driver currently in kernel works.
Jul 11 18:17:06 <DocScrutinizer2> aah, i c
Jul 11 18:17:10 <DocScrutinizer2> yes possible
Jul 11 18:17:27 <DocScrutinizer2> shitty gta01 ;-)
Jul 11 18:18:59 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: add also source sid file to that directory ;)
Jul 11 18:19:21 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: yup, almost forgot ;-)
Jul 11 19:02:32 <eolson> PaulFertser, that worked  :)  thanks!  I updated the wiki with the right text
Jul 11 19:16:18 <PaulFertser> eolson: :D it was easy, the answer was right in the write function of that attribute :)
Jul 11 19:34:05 <Weiss> who runs planet.openmoko.org these days?
Jul 11 19:37:39 <eolson> PaulFertser, I'm glad it was easy for you :)  hopefully I can get familiar with the kernel source so I know where to look next time I see a problem.
Jul 11 20:12:05 <pepe_cat> hi!
Jul 11 20:15:00 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, what's non-safe?
Jul 11 20:15:26 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: not letting people without simcard to call emergency.
Jul 11 20:16:19 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, I heard it got abused quite a lot... for nonsense-emergency calls
Jul 11 20:16:43 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: it's like a phone with simcard can't be abused in exactly the same way.
Jul 11 20:25:17 <dos1> PaulFertser: here, in Poland, i accidentaly called emergency number without sim card, and call wasn't placed
Jul 11 20:25:45 <PaulFertser> dos1: do you propose me to try the same? 
Jul 11 20:26:14 <dos1> no, i'm just saying AFAIK calling emergency numbers without sim card isn't possible here
Jul 11 20:26:35 * dos1 checks
Jul 11 20:26:36 <dos1> in internet of course :D
Jul 11 20:28:00 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, yeah, but with activated SIM they have an easier way to catch you
Jul 11 20:28:09 <dos1> you're talking about Germany?
Jul 11 20:28:27 <mrmoku> I'm talking about Germany
Jul 11 20:28:33 <dos1> i found they don't allow to do that for 11 days :P
Jul 11 20:28:56 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: how?
Jul 11 20:29:38 <dos1> well, without SIM you can still have IMEI, or am i wrong?
Jul 11 20:29:46 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, via your provider, who knows the owner of the SIM
Jul 11 20:30:44 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: can't you obtain a sim anonymously in Germany?
Jul 11 20:31:21 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, don't think so, no
Jul 11 20:31:27 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: shit
Jul 11 20:31:30 <mrmoku> :)
Jul 11 20:31:40 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i thought it's the case only for totalitarian countries like Russia.
Jul 11 20:32:30 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, one would think so... but no
Jul 11 20:32:36 <mrmoku> we have such things too
Jul 11 20:34:01 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: anyway that doesn't mean much. You make a false call, hide the phone with the sim. If they came and ask you tell them you lost the sim in the park while switching sims (show them a hole in your pocket), they can't prove anything based on that.
Jul 11 20:35:00 <dos1> obtaining sim anonymously?
Jul 11 20:35:22 <dos1> why? here you just buy pre-paid starter
Jul 11 20:35:27 <dos1> and you register only if you want
Jul 11 20:35:45 <dos1> (register - send your personal information to operator)
Jul 11 20:38:02 <PaulFertser> dos1: that's exactly the case it was here 10 years ago.
Jul 11 20:38:47 <PaulFertser> Germany is fucked up :-/ Also consider that anti-reversing legislation...
Jul 11 20:39:27 <dos1> 10 years ago i was 7 years old ;)
Jul 11 20:39:32 <vanous123> you could always get that anonymous  card abroad and do a roaming call :)
Jul 11 20:39:50 <dos1> but i think 7 years ago pre-paids wasn't as popular in poland as now
Jul 11 20:42:56 <Sharwin_F_> in spain I think giving your info to your provider when using prepaid services is now mandatory since a law was approved not so long ago
Jul 11 20:43:23 <Sharwin_F_> and now companies are telling customers to go to the nearest shop in order to give them the info
Jul 11 20:43:30 <PaulFertser> Seems people are stupid and not caring about privacy everywhere :(
Jul 11 20:43:49 <Sharwin_F_> I think it's like an "antiterrorism law"
Jul 11 20:43:58 <Sharwin_F_> or at least the person in the shop told me that :P
Jul 11 20:44:28 <PaulFertser> Sharwin_F_: it's like citizens of Spain are not interested in their freedom enough :(
Jul 11 20:44:47 <Sharwin_F_> PaulFertser, of course not :)
Jul 11 20:45:03 <Sharwin_F_> they don't mind at all
Jul 11 20:46:28 <vanous123> i found a UK O2 sim in Frankfurt airport once, but has no credit. good anonym. card. have been thinking ever since how to put there some money but not via credit card (too personal :), but cannot figure out the phone number... :)
Jul 11 20:48:50 <dos1> vanous123: ask someone in UK to buy pre-paid cards with charge code ;)
Jul 11 20:49:27 <vanous123> no problem with that, but to what number? :)
Jul 11 20:49:41 <vanous123> dos1: oh, i see
Jul 11 20:49:45 <dos1> vanous123: ussd?
Jul 11 20:50:25 <dos1> here in plus gsm in poland you can type *123*CODE# (USSD request)
Jul 11 20:52:21 <budfive> any of yall here use shr?
Jul 11 20:52:22 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #543 (Alarm doesn't work) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/543#comment:2>
Jul 11 20:52:34 <dos1> budfive: yall?
Jul 11 20:52:45 <budfive> you all
Jul 11 20:52:58 <budfive> english doesn't really have a second person plural
Jul 11 20:53:54 <PaulFertser> budfive: in fact it's the opposite ;)
Jul 11 20:54:13 <budfive> opposite? whoa. how so?
Jul 11 20:54:38 <PaulFertser> budfive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou
Jul 11 20:54:55 <budfive> ha. yeah. right.
Jul 11 20:58:27 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #543 (Alarm doesn't work) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/543#comment:3>
Jul 11 20:58:30 <dos1> budfive: i think not all, but most of
Jul 11 20:58:59 * dos1 was trying to implement sorting in opimd all day
Jul 11 20:59:01 <dos1> wrong
Jul 11 20:59:13 * dos1 was trying to *start to* implementing sorting in opimd all the day :D
Jul 11 20:59:25 <budfive> dos1: have you tried the scrolling patches from the ML?
Jul 11 20:59:37 <dos1> budfive: no, i haven't
Jul 11 20:59:48 <Q-Master> dos1: better do the phone:[1,2,3] 8)
Jul 11 21:00:09 <dos1> Q-Master: that's in my TODO right after sorting ;)
Jul 11 21:00:19 <Q-Master> hehe
Jul 11 21:00:45 <FiXion_> mrmoku: where can I find moconnect?
Jul 11 21:00:48 <dos1> ok, i'm off now
Jul 11 21:00:56 <dos1> FiXion_: in feed, just opkg install mokonnect
Jul 11 21:01:06 <FiXion_> www.opkg.org doesn't have it :(
Jul 11 21:01:26 <dos1> FiXion_: it's in SHR feed
Jul 11 21:01:31 <budfive> dos1: I've been running with them installed and I'm getting more and more convinced that elementary and friends are doing it all wrong, implementing the scrolling in them. 
Jul 11 21:02:00 <FiXion_> dos1: I had to go away from shr - the messages and contacts apps died EVERY TIME after suspend
Jul 11 21:02:11 <FiXion_> worked perfectly after boot - died after first suspend :(
Jul 11 21:02:16 <FiXion_> in latest unstable
Jul 11 21:02:17 <dos1> FiXion_: what logs says?...
Jul 11 21:02:27 <FiXion_> nothing in any logs that I could find.
Jul 11 21:02:40 <FiXion_> the message was something like "app segfaulted" - no message. save ?
Jul 11 21:02:43 <dos1> nothing about changing some resource to "suspending" state and never changing it back?
Jul 11 21:02:44 <dos1> :p
Jul 11 21:02:56 <FiXion_> the phone came back from suspend just fine
Jul 11 21:03:05 <FiXion_> those apps just segfaulted on start - after the phone had been suspended
Jul 11 21:03:08 <FiXion_> worked fine beforehand
Jul 11 21:03:17 <dos1> FiXion_: that looks like issue about which i'm talking
Jul 11 21:03:23 <FiXion_> and the feed doesn't have paroli
Jul 11 21:03:33 <dos1> FiXion_: paroli wouldn't fix that
Jul 11 21:03:45 <FiXion_> paroli works (on om2009 testing5) atleast
Jul 11 21:03:50 <dos1> FiXion_: looks like OccupyResource problem still isn't fixed
Jul 11 21:03:53 <FiXion_> so it would be nice to test it on shr - to see if it worked there
Jul 11 21:03:57 <dos1> FiXion_: cause it uses different FSO configuration
Jul 11 21:04:03 <dos1> FiXion_: it wouldn't work on SHR ;P
Jul 11 21:04:09 <FiXion_> but trying paroli would verify that.
Jul 11 21:04:12 <FiXion_> I don't like to assume
Jul 11 21:04:29 * Q-Master off
Jul 11 21:04:34 <FiXion_> it could def. be some fso resource - if the two shr-programs use that to connect to the sim or something
Jul 11 21:04:35 <dos1> FiXion_: but segfaulting SHR apps after suspends says everything, you don't have to assume
Jul 11 21:04:51 <FiXion_> it could be the apps 
Jul 11 21:04:56 <FiXion_> and not the libs they use.
Jul 11 21:05:02 <dos1> why apps?
Jul 11 21:05:10 <FiXion_> apps can have bugs too :)
Jul 11 21:05:11 <dos1> they do exactly the same before suspend, and after suspends
Jul 11 21:05:13 <dos1> :P
Jul 11 21:05:17 <FiXion_> you are right
Jul 11 21:05:20 <FiXion_> so does the fso
Jul 11 21:05:29 <dos1> yep, that's what i'm saying
Jul 11 21:05:30 <FiXion_> always nice to verify
Jul 11 21:05:36 <dos1> fso and its configuration
Jul 11 21:05:44 <dos1> it would be nice if you could provide logs
Jul 11 21:05:51 <FiXion_> I have wiped the phone.
Jul 11 21:06:00 <FiXion_> I kinda needed a phone that could actually phone someone :)
Jul 11 21:06:02 <dos1> even if you'll say they are not interesting
Jul 11 21:06:10 <FiXion_> they were empty.
Jul 11 21:06:11 <dos1> (well, for me SHR works ok)
Jul 11 21:06:13 <FiXion_> when it segfaulted.
Jul 11 21:06:20 <dos1> FiXion_: i mean frameworkd.log
Jul 11 21:06:26 <dos1> after suspend
Jul 11 21:06:39 <FiXion_> I looked in it - it said the same as it did before.. but I could ofcourse have missed something
Jul 11 21:06:43 <dos1> logs from SHR apps aren't interesting at all
Jul 11 21:06:48 <FiXion_> :)
Jul 11 21:06:55 <FiXion_> but your shr works fine after suspend?
Jul 11 21:06:59 <FiXion_> shr-apps that is
Jul 11 21:07:00 <dos1> yes
Jul 11 21:07:05 <dos1> everything works ok
Jul 11 21:07:09 <FiXion_> typical
Jul 11 21:07:11 <FiXion_> :)
Jul 11 21:07:15 <dos1> i have only two issues
Jul 11 21:07:23 <FiXion_> one would think the bugs would be rather the same.. when we all have "almost" the same phone
Jul 11 21:07:25 <dos1> WiFi - it used to work with old connman, now it doesn't
Jul 11 21:07:56 <dos1> and sometimes CPU resource stays requested (dunno way), and it doesn't autosuspend
Jul 11 21:08:00 <dos1> but manual suspend works
Jul 11 21:08:35 <dos1> but i had it only once, and once again after reboot
Jul 11 21:08:40 <dos1> today morning
Jul 11 21:08:44 <Q-Master> dos1: plz, also make a screen brightness setting persistent.
Jul 11 21:08:45 <dos1> now it's gone :x
Jul 11 21:08:54 <dos1> Q-Master: FSO issue :P
Jul 11 21:09:01 <vanous123> dos1: can you see who is holding the resource?
Jul 11 21:09:01 <Q-Master> ?
Jul 11 21:09:11 <dos1> Q-Master: FSO should handle that, not SHR
Jul 11 21:09:24 <dos1> vanous123: dunno. now it works correctly
Jul 11 21:09:26 <Q-Master> damn
Jul 11 21:09:49 <dos1> Q-Master: and i'm hacking only opimd ATM ;)
Jul 11 21:09:53 <dos1> Q-Master: not odeviced
Jul 11 21:10:01 <dos1> but maybe i'll add something for that
Jul 11 21:10:06 <dos1> some conf setting with brightness
Jul 11 21:10:08 <dos1> maybe
Jul 11 21:10:10 <Q-Master> heh.
Jul 11 21:10:16 <dos1> if i'll have time for that :)
Jul 11 21:10:21 <Q-Master> thnx
Jul 11 21:10:52 <dos1> ok, i'm off now
Jul 11 21:11:03 <dos1> good night
Jul 11 21:11:12 <Q-Master> g'night
Jul 11 21:11:58 <agg1n1> does anyone here know anything about .vapi files? :< i'm trying to create vala bindings for e_dbus (actually one function would be enough)..
Jul 11 21:12:08 <agg1n1> that's what i have so far: http://pastebin.com/m2162436d
Jul 11 21:13:25 <agg1n1> when i try valac --pkg edbus [..] then i get an error message: "undefined reference to `e_dbus_connection_unref'"
Jul 11 21:22:10 <FiXion_> dos1: any links to the case about this suspend bug?
Jul 11 21:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> It's easy to get anonymous prepaid sim in germany
Jul 11 21:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> also you may ask someone to go and buy one for you, if you don't find a dealer who gives a sh*t on that law about IDcard for getting SIM
Jul 11 21:29:22 <DocScrutinizer> and for "112" emergency calls, that's pure nonsense. Providers can associate IMEI to IMSI (=SIM) easily, in fact they need to do every time you register (iirc).
Jul 11 21:29:56 <F4t> mrmoku, here?
Jul 11 21:30:04 <mrmoku> almost gone :)
Jul 11 21:30:21 <mrmoku> I adjusted the bb
Jul 11 21:30:32 <F4t> so all ok now? with the symlink and all?
Jul 11 21:30:33 <DocScrutinizer> so the whole story about stopping 112 cals without SIM is probably about making money (like it always is)
Jul 11 21:30:54 <F4t> install -m 755 mokonnect.py ${D}${bindir}/
Jul 11 21:31:01 <mrmoku> F4t, it built nicely... have to test it
Jul 11 21:31:07 <mrmoku> and then commit it
Jul 11 21:31:19 <mrmoku> will do that tomorrow morning though
Jul 11 21:31:22 <F4t> oh.. thought it was commited already :)
Jul 11 21:31:22 <mrmoku> need some sleep now
Jul 11 21:31:26 <F4t> sure thing :)
Jul 11 21:31:28 <mrmoku> not yet :)
Jul 11 21:31:36 <mrmoku> gnight all
Jul 11 21:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> night mrmoku 
Jul 11 21:31:47 <F4t> gnight man
Jul 11 21:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> *if* it was about messing with 112, providers could automatically put every IMEI to the "stolen"-list that calls 112, and you need to get a unlock-ticket from authority (probably for a lot of money) to get the device off the list again. Would serve *much* better to stop deliberate mesing, would work with AND WITHOUT SIM, and is supereasy to implement. But obviously it's not the real aim of this operation >:-(
Jul 11 21:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> a few years ago alpine rescue collected old cellphones to put a means to place emergency calls on every alpine hut. Won't work anymore with the new policy of mandatory SIM for 112. Now add to that the new law about *all* new cars have to automatically place a GSM-emergency call in case of accident (starting in a few years)... I think you might be able to guess the real motivation of this new policy now.
Jul 11 21:58:45 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #543 (Alarm doesn't work) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/543#comment:4>
Jul 11 22:05:31 * Weiss is running his FR with KMS while relying on it in a foreign country.. he's *that* sure of his code...
Jul 11 22:08:21 <F4t> i love VLC so much, it can start playing a video while its still downloading, without interrupting the download, and with updating its length as it goes along :D
Jul 11 22:15:25 <FiXion_> Weiss: what distro are you running?
Jul 11 22:16:33 <Weiss> SHR-testing, but it's not particularly relevant for this
Jul 11 22:17:58 <FiXion_> Weiss: your own kernel - or does std. shr use kms ?
Jul 11 22:18:18 <Weiss> absolutely nothing apart from my tests run KMS, as far as i know
Jul 11 22:18:25 <FiXion_> 2.6.29 on my debian sid uses kms - runs flawless
Jul 11 22:18:35 <F4t> whats kms?
Jul 11 22:18:40 <FiXion_> kernel mode setting
Jul 11 22:18:48 <FiXion_> finally got that out of x.org
Jul 11 22:18:57 <Weiss> FiXion_: ah, you don't mean on your FR in that context? :)
Jul 11 22:18:59 <FiXion_> now graphic card drivers are in kernel
Jul 11 22:19:19 <FiXion_> Weiss: I run kms on my laptop - was wondering if it is used on FR as well
Jul 11 22:19:31 <FiXion_> but it seems it isn't. I'm wondering why that is?
Jul 11 22:19:37 <FiXion_> bad glamo support?
Jul 11 22:19:49 <FiXion_> in kernel driver that is
Jul 11 22:20:23 <Weiss> Glamo DRM+KMS+Mesa+other fun stuff is what a few of us here are working on for FR at the moment. currently there's no support apart from our experimental stuff
Jul 11 22:20:44 <FiXion_> is the driver in the default kernel?
Jul 11 22:20:56 <FiXion_> or "on its way" ?
Jul 11 22:21:35 <FiXion_> like in mm-testing or something
Jul 11 22:22:16 <Weiss> it's in a special branch on git.openmoko.org only: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/drm-kms
Jul 11 22:22:31 <Weiss> it'll be a long time before it gets into distros, i imagine
Jul 11 22:23:22 <Weiss> it's a very invasive change
Jul 11 22:23:34 <FiXion_> I hope it's headed for kernel-tree
Jul 11 22:23:59 <FiXion_> I still remember the 2.2 days (and 2.4) with patch+patch+patch.. and the problems with merging them all
Jul 11 22:24:10 <Weiss> the video mode setting in our Xorg driver is already quite "kernel-orientated", in that all the mode setting is done by making calls into the FB driver, so it actually doesn't make much difference at this stage
Jul 11 22:24:44 <Weiss> the real reason (at least from my point of view) is that it makes some of the memory management work for doing accelerated graphics via DRI
Jul 11 22:25:54 <FiXion_> you're not shooting for adding it to the kernel - or atleast see if mm-testing will take it?
Jul 11 22:26:08 <FiXion_> doesn't hurt to have a bunch of smart kernel devs looking at it :)
Jul 11 22:26:10 <Flyser_> .oO(What for?)
Jul 11 22:26:31 <FiXion_> Flyser_: you asking me?
Jul 11 22:26:36 <Flyser_> yes
Jul 11 22:27:17 <FiXion_> as to avoid the necessity of X patches to the kernel
Jul 11 22:27:37 <FiXion_> it's a pain to upgrade kernel version if you have to re-apply X patches
Jul 11 22:28:01 <FiXion_> if it's in kernel - it's just there and you get whatever other features/fixes got in the kernel for free
Jul 11 22:28:15 <Flyser_> I don't think this is an issue for a such a specific hardware like openmoko
Jul 11 22:28:49 <FiXion_> I'm rather certain that much of what is used in the kernel isn't specific to the freerunner
Jul 11 22:28:58 <FiXion_> otherwise they wouldn't be able to use the linux kernel.
Jul 11 22:29:04 <Weiss> well, our route upstream is via the main openmoko tree, and from there via Ben Dooks, and then via RMK i think. the Glamo KMS stuff is completely meaningless without the other code going with it
Jul 11 22:29:19 <Weiss> and, as i stress, this is all about some people wanting to play with the graphics system at the moment
Jul 11 22:29:29 <FiXion_> fair enough :)
Jul 11 22:29:34 <Weiss> s/play/experiment/
Jul 11 22:29:34 <bzzbot> Weiss meant: and, as i stress, this is all about some people wanting to experiment with the graphics system at the moment
Jul 11 22:30:01 <FiXion_> that's what I understood as well :)
Jul 11 22:31:10 <Weiss> at the moment, we have "standard framebuffer managed by KMS" working. the next step, after a little bit of memory management debodging, is to add code from xf86-video-modesetting to xf86-video-glamo. then we start to unleash the real power
Jul 11 22:31:12 <FiXion_> wouldn't hurt to throw the thing by some kernel-devs.. if you want to shoot for a stable driver at some point, with easy merging
Jul 11 22:31:25 <FiXion_> nice.
Jul 11 22:31:57 <FiXion_> I don't know much about kms.. so I don't know how the other drivers work
Jul 11 22:32:06 <Weiss> yeah. i have a lot of guidance from the code DRI developers
Jul 11 22:32:24 <FiXion_> not a bad source of assistance :)
Jul 11 22:32:24 <Weiss> s/code/core/
Jul 11 22:32:25 <bzzbot> Weiss meant: yeah. i have a lot of guidance from the core DRI developers
Jul 11 22:32:41 <tmzt> Weiss: great, are you using any kind of emulated graphics card to handle commands?
Jul 11 22:32:42 * FiXion_ thinks bzzbot is a bit annoying :)
Jul 11 22:33:48 <Weiss> tmzt: nope - not much point..
Jul 11 22:33:48 <tmzt> Weiss: I'm looking to add msm mdp (not gpu) support to this
Jul 11 22:34:03 <FiXion_> anyone know how to extract files form an ipk package?
Jul 11 22:34:11 <FiXion_> I wnated to install danish-illume package
Jul 11 22:34:14 <tmzt> yeah, but do you think such an approach would work?
Jul 11 22:34:17 <FiXion_> but it just says: Terminated
Jul 11 22:34:19 <tmzt> FiXion_: ar x
Jul 11 22:34:20 <FiXion_> crap opkg
Jul 11 22:34:35 <Weiss> actually at the moment most of the "learning curve" is to do with the kernel interfaces rather than the hardware. that'll change quite soon..
Jul 11 22:34:43 <FiXion_> tmzt: ar: short read
Jul 11 22:34:53 <tmzt> the pacakge is corrupt
Jul 11 22:35:14 <FiXion_> darn
Jul 11 22:35:27 <FiXion_> coulnd't opkg just say that then..
Jul 11 22:35:32 * FiXion_ kicks opkg into oblivion
Jul 11 22:35:37 <tmzt> Weiss: we essentially have 2d hardware that can do partial updates, mostly I want to make framebuffer allocation dynamic
Jul 11 22:35:43 <FiXion_> still waiting for my sd so I can run debian on my phone
Jul 11 22:36:31 <Weiss> tmzt: dynamic in what sense?
Jul 11 22:36:38 <tmzt> Weiss: as it is the framebuffer allocates vyres=yres*4 or similar staically
Jul 11 22:36:45 <tmzt> then uses pan to page flip
Jul 11 22:37:02 <tmzt> so that memory is only allocated when it's used
Jul 11 22:38:08 <tmzt> are you using ttm?
Jul 11 22:39:02 <Weiss> not at the moment, currently it's the basic DRM block allocator wrapped with a GEM interface
Jul 11 22:39:22 <tmzt> or
Jul 11 22:39:23 <tmzt> gem
Jul 11 22:39:25 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 11 22:39:42 <Weiss> (since we only have static VRAM, no GART or anything, there isn't a lot of room for being clever just yet)
Jul 11 22:39:52 <tmzt> do you have source code somewhere, even early?
Jul 11 22:40:00 <tmzt> ah, right
Jul 11 22:40:05 <tmzt> and the bus is slow
Jul 11 22:40:21 <Weiss> sure - take a look at the link  i pasted a little while ago (branch drm-kms on git.openmoko.org / kernel.git)
Jul 11 22:40:29 <tmzt> ok
Jul 11 22:40:46 <tmzt> this is discussed on dri-devel?
Jul 11 22:41:49 <Weiss> mostly via IRC (#dri-devel)
Jul 11 22:43:01 <Weiss> it's really not very clever as far as DRI drivers go, just a question of the learning curve at the moment
Jul 11 22:43:07 <F4t> FiXion_, btw, if u mentioned opkg, it also sucks badly since it overwrites other peoples screenshots if u upload the same name... :-/
Jul 11 22:43:45 <FiXion_> I was talking about opkg - the package manager.
Jul 11 22:43:50 <Weiss> for me, the learning curve is levelling off a bit though..
Jul 11 22:44:01 <FiXion_> I'm sure the site has bugs as well though :)
Jul 11 22:44:11 <FiXion_> s/the site/opkg.org/
Jul 11 22:44:12 <bzzbot> FiXion_ meant: I'm sure opkg.org has bugs as well though :)
Jul 11 22:44:27 <Weiss> tmzt: what's MSM MDP?
Jul 11 22:45:08 <FiXion_> Weiss: how long does it take to start "x+window manager" with kms ?
Jul 11 22:45:15 <FiXion_> it's painfully slow on std. shr/om2009
Jul 11 22:45:23 <FiXion_> blank screen waiting.. forever
Jul 11 22:45:31 <FiXion_> I'd expect it to be much faster
Jul 11 22:46:13 <Weiss> don't know... maybe
Jul 11 22:46:52 <FiXion_> :)
Jul 11 22:47:00 <FiXion_> looking forward to a release of sorts :)
Jul 11 22:47:03 <Weiss> hehe
Jul 11 23:17:20 <tmzt> Weiss: you have fb working through drm with an X ddx?
Jul 11 23:24:05 <FiXion_> anyone know of any docs for the .dic format (used for the default keyboard) ?
Jul 11 23:24:25 <FiXion_> I want to write my own - but after each word there's an odd (seemingly random) number
Jul 11 23:24:55 <FiXion_> if you know how one figures out what that number should be - I'll be happy :)
Jul 11 23:27:08 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #551 (Ophonekitd doesn't start at boot after latest upgrade) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/551#comment:3>
Jul 11 23:28:12 <TAsn> FiXion_, I used a dictionary without numbers in it, just words separated by newlines...
Jul 11 23:28:23 <TAsn> though I think there's an issue with utf8
Jul 11 23:28:24 <TAsn> not sure.
Jul 11 23:28:27 <TAsn> ciao, gn.
Jul 11 23:28:33 <FiXion_> TAsn: thanks I'll try that
Jul 11 23:31:39 <TAsn> bah, intone segfaults
Jul 11 23:31:39 <TAsn> ;\
Jul 11 23:31:41 <TAsn> bah, night.
Jul 11 23:40:28 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: here same
Jul 11 23:40:45 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, damn shr ;)
Jul 11 23:40:53 <TAsn> (I can't believe I stayed here ffs it's 3am)
Jul 11 23:41:06 <DocScrutinizer> don't think that's SHR fault
Jul 11 23:41:22 <TAsn> that's probably not.
Jul 11 23:41:27 * TAsn hates segfaults :)
Jul 11 23:41:36 <TAsn> <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: could you check what it gets you to when you accept an inbound call that arrives during test-playback of new ringtone in settings-profiles?
Jul 11 23:41:39 <TAsn> will test tomorrow
Jul 11 23:41:41 <TAsn> too late now ;)
Jul 11 23:41:52 <TAsn> though I have been testing opimd-phonelog all day long, super sweet :)
Jul 11 23:41:55 <DocScrutinizer> npp
Jul 11 23:42:02 <TAsn> works a lot faster
Jul 12 00:31:12 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, doesn't segfault here, did you remove the databse¿ I think you have to because the strucute have changed
Jul 12 00:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> err, database of intone?
Jul 12 00:32:41 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, AFAIC yes
Jul 12 00:33:08 <Sharwin_F_> rm -r ~/.intone
Jul 12 00:33:15 <Sharwin_F_> try, hope it works then :D
Jul 12 00:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I installed a fresh U20090703 and it segfaults on frist invocation. If this had to be done, it's for sure not me who should do it ;-)
Jul 12 00:34:24 <Sharwin_F_> nope :)
Jul 12 00:35:46 <DocScrutinizer> btw filemanager segfaults as well, when I cd to my 4GB sdcard
Jul 12 00:36:14 <DocScrutinizer> so maybe it's the same issue for intone and filemanager
Jul 12 00:37:51 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, gpe-filemanager sgfaults for me too when accessing /media/card
Jul 12 00:38:03 <Sharwin_F_> but I was able to play a song with intone
Jul 12 00:38:06 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Jul 12 00:38:23 <TAsn> bah, I can't believe I'm still awake
Jul 12 00:38:25 <TAsn> ;\
Jul 12 00:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, not sure here
Jul 12 00:38:28 <TAsn> anyhow, Sharwin_F_ this fixed it for me.
Jul 12 00:38:40 <Sharwin_F_> :)
Jul 12 00:38:41 <TAsn> thanks :)
Jul 12 00:38:49 <TAsn> what's the "view" tab?
Jul 12 00:39:07 <Sharwin_F_> TAsn, to see the album picture
Jul 12 00:39:49 <Sharwin_F_> you've to put the image in the same dir as the album, with a special filename I thnik
Jul 12 00:40:33 <TAsn> sucks :)
Jul 12 00:40:37 <TAsn> okie :)
Jul 12 00:40:45 <TAsn> anyhow, looks like intone is maturing
Jul 12 00:40:55 <TAsn> it's getting really polished.
Jul 12 00:42:14 <Sharwin_F_> yes, today I saw the settings tab, don't know if it was before, but the options are great :D
Jul 12 00:42:39 <budfive> is intone a frontend for mplayer?
Jul 12 00:42:59 <Sharwin_F_> yes
Jul 12 00:43:23 <budfive> aah. I'm instaling it for the first time and seeing it pull in mplayer too. cool.
Jul 12 00:43:37 <TAsn> budfive, though there's no video yet
Jul 12 00:43:42 <TAsn> as far as I can tell
Jul 12 00:44:08 <TAsn> which is a shame because iirc, mplayer is easy to embed
Jul 12 00:44:19 <Sharwin_F_> TAsn, there's intone-video
Jul 12 00:44:26 <Sharwin_F_> it's in opkg.org
Jul 12 00:44:35 <Sharwin_F_> it's quite alhpa though
Jul 12 00:44:50 <TAsn> Sharwin_F_, thought it got dropped...
Jul 12 00:44:52 <TAsn> anyhow cool :)
Jul 12 00:47:21 <Sharwin_F_> hehe, btw my neo it's useful while waiting for people: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c425053ca3dcbbd7e9eb7d78c3807197.png
Jul 12 00:47:31 <Sharwin_F_> xD
Jul 12 00:49:11 <agg1n1> nice! :D
Jul 12 00:50:36 <TAsn> Sharwin_F_, what's the name of this app?
Jul 12 00:51:15 <Sharwin_F_> TAsn, gpe-sketchbook
Jul 12 00:51:19 <Sharwin_F_> it's in the repos ;)
Jul 12 00:51:22 <TAsn> thanks
Jul 12 00:51:22 <TAsn> ;)
Jul 12 00:51:58 <TAsn> libsqlite0 ftw?
Jul 12 00:54:01 <TAsn> night.
Jul 12 01:24:13 <DocScrutinizer> Sharwin_F_: nah, intone segfaults every time I try to add my mp3dir 
Jul 12 01:25:36 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, may it crash when reading some weird char in some filename?
Jul 12 01:25:48 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Jul 12 01:25:58 <Sharwin_F_> try adding another mp3dir with a file which looks ok
Jul 12 01:26:17 <DocScrutinizer> filemanager segfaults 2sec after clicking icon to start it
Jul 12 01:26:51 <Sharwin_F_> is the devil inside your neo? :P
Jul 12 01:29:18 <DocScrutinizer> yes :-O
Jul 12 01:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> 'date' ->segfault
Jul 12 01:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> 'echo xxx' ->segfault
Jul 12 01:34:46 <DocScrutinizer> dialer ->segfault, numptyphysics,, even terminal now. all segfault
Jul 12 01:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> seems access to that 8GB card *really* borked the kernel
Jul 12 01:42:17 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, happened something similar to me today, but in my desktop computer... disk I/O error :P
Jul 12 01:49:28 <DocScrutinizer> adding the winmoob-default music dir  worked
Jul 12 01:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> adding my own dir called allofmp3 segfaults
Jul 12 02:01:40 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, to be precise it segfaults when trying to add the album/drawer "vision thing" (sisters of mercy)
Jul 12 02:24:04 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's the .flac files?
Jul 12 02:24:17 <DocScrutinizer> all other albums have .mp3
Jul 12 02:26:31 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, try removing different files and trying some combinations.. or strace? :P
Jul 12 02:26:50 <Sharwin_F_> going to sleep, g night
Jul 12 02:27:03 <DocScrutinizer> tedious with terminal-kbd and toothpic ;-)
Jul 12 02:27:14 <DocScrutinizer> good night
Jul 12 02:27:58 <Sharwin_F_> DocScrutinizer, no computer around? xD
Jul 12 02:34:06 <DocScrutinizer> actually not
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