**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 12 02:59:57 2009 Jul 12 04:20:23 I noticed the latest gta01 kernel from shr-unstable downloads is from before mrmoku's email about OABI being disabled. Could someone post a new build with CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT enabled when they have time? (no rush, I have a working kernel, but this might help others) Jul 12 04:22:02 ( gps/gllin on gta01 requires OABI ) Jul 12 06:18:43 mrmoku|a`: probably you just need to trigger a kernel rebuild for gta01? Jul 12 07:38:19 tmzt: yep Jul 12 07:42:38 hello Jul 12 07:42:40 good Jul 12 07:42:49 I've been looking at your code Jul 12 07:42:52 looks good Jul 12 07:42:56 thanks :D Jul 12 07:43:07 there are some temporary nastinesses to get rid of still Jul 12 07:44:30 yeah Jul 12 07:44:49 I thought one of the reasons for drm was to allow fbdev to be a client Jul 12 07:45:02 it should be able to share the front buffer Jul 12 07:46:00 fbdev kind of becomes a "second-class citizen", but otherwise yes Jul 12 07:47:16 normally with KMS, you only allocate just the right amount of memory to make the kernel's framebuffer console work. in this work, we allocated about 4Mb (half of Glamo's VRAM), so that (hopefully) a non-KMS-aware DDX can still have offscreen pixmaps and acceleration Jul 12 07:47:33 what's the issue with lcd controller? Jul 12 07:47:53 then there can be a kernel option which you select if you *know* you're going to use a KMS-aware DDX, in which case KMS gets all the VRAM Jul 12 07:47:55 ah, okay Jul 12 07:47:57 hmm.. what issue? Jul 12 07:48:18 your latest commits Jul 12 07:48:40 disabling/ebabling the lcd pipe, clock, lcm, etc. Jul 12 07:48:43 I see Jul 12 07:49:04 ah, that's just to restore the settings on resume (the LCD engine gets reset) Jul 12 07:49:38 okay Jul 12 07:49:52 is the X ddx glamo specific Jul 12 07:50:07 I guess your working a dri driver for the 3d stuff Jul 12 07:50:11 but for 2d Jul 12 07:50:17 yep, but it's based on xf86-video-fbdev Jul 12 07:50:51 how do blits work? Jul 12 07:51:29 at the moment, the DDX takes control of Glamo and sends it commands. with DRI, it prepares command sequences to send to DRM Jul 12 07:51:33 (EXA) Jul 12 07:52:21 not uxa? Jul 12 07:52:53 that's what I'm wondering, you have gpu hardware to process commands Jul 12 07:53:05 I do as well, but we aren't going to use it yet Jul 12 07:53:16 just the 2d accel:blitter Jul 12 07:53:41 so I'm wondering if I should have fake commands for simple things Jul 12 07:53:46 ah, yes.. the infrastructure for accelerating blits in DRI is all there, it just hasn't been done yet Jul 12 07:53:48 like src to dest Jul 12 07:54:10 well, we don't have docs for the ati chip Jul 12 07:54:31 only a closed driver in userspace on the g1 Jul 12 07:54:56 so my goal is to get the mdp, which a simple 2d engine working first Jul 12 07:55:11 like you, converting a fb driver to drm/gem Jul 12 07:55:37 hmm.. MSM is the chip, MDP is the Android framework? Jul 12 07:55:44 it shares ram with gpu Jul 12 07:55:46 no Jul 12 07:55:52 msm is the chip family Jul 12 07:56:00 mdp is one component of the soc Jul 12 07:56:49 the lcd interface is a serial interface Jul 12 07:57:01 the lcdc is in an external chip Jul 12 07:57:24 updates are sent over this serial bus - mddi Jul 12 07:57:43 so it can do partial updates Jul 12 07:58:04 mdp and gpu - ati imageon based - share ram Jul 12 07:58:33 actually it's system ram, but th ram inside of the soc is faster - sram Jul 12 07:59:09 what mailing list are the comments from dri developers on? Jul 12 07:59:18 couldn't find them Jul 12 07:59:47 dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, but i normally pester then on IRC (#dri-devel) Jul 12 08:00:03 any logs? Jul 12 08:00:06 they're very helpful (particularly if you've done your homework) Jul 12 08:00:11 freenode? Jul 12 08:00:14 yep Jul 12 08:00:36 F4t, committed and building now Jul 12 08:02:27 mrmoku: hi, i had some problems yesterday with the new build Jul 12 08:02:56 tmzt: "interesting"-sounding hardware... Jul 12 08:03:03 mrmoku: gsm stopped working, restarting of xserver/rebooting didnt worked Jul 12 08:03:35 mrmoku: ophonekitd crashed and i couldnt restart it as "dbus was busy" whatever ... Jul 12 08:04:30 mrmoku: is this a known problem with teh new builds? suspending is also not reliable Jul 12 08:05:44 Weiss: yeah, it's been fun, unfortunately a lot of things are dependent on the modem firmware which has been really hard to work with Jul 12 08:07:11 MODEM firmware? :S Jul 12 08:09:47 BluesLee, no, It works perfectly for me (and others) Jul 12 08:09:55 BluesLee, did you upgrade or reflash? Jul 12 08:10:34 Weiss: yes, it boots first and provides certain system functions, this a dual core device with a shared ram interface Jul 12 08:10:44 mrmoku: i reflashed Jul 12 08:10:46 like I said, it's been fun Jul 12 08:11:03 tmzt: eek.. you make Glamo sound straightforward and trivial Jul 12 08:11:30 fortunately it has minimal involvement with graphics Jul 12 08:12:04 with 3d we have to to initialize the gpu but that's about it Jul 12 08:12:08 mrmoku: but also with the image from 3th of july gsm crashed nearly every 2nd day Jul 12 08:12:13 to tell it Jul 12 08:12:35 for 2d none of that, except clocks but there are registers for that as well Jul 12 08:12:43 so we set those manually Jul 12 08:12:50 how does your fb driver work at the moment? updates the whole screen via the serial interface? Jul 12 08:13:07 well, there are two framebuffers Jul 12 08:13:28 we update the local one and trigger dma in a kernel thread Jul 12 08:14:04 that does dma and sends I think the whole frame over the serial interface to the remote framebuffer Jul 12 08:14:05 mrmoku: the problem is that there is no feedback for instance from the shelf gadget app which shows the provider and the signal strength Jul 12 08:14:23 we could do partial updates but it's not implemented Jul 12 08:14:34 mrmoku: i have always full gsm strength?! Jul 12 08:15:58 tmzt: hmm... but there's no 2D acceleration? Jul 12 08:16:12 yeah, blitting, fills I think Jul 12 08:16:17 that's about it Jul 12 08:16:19 BluesLee, hmm.. the gadget changes for me Jul 12 08:16:58 is the serial link slow, or reasonable? Jul 12 08:18:01 slow enough that doing the whole fb each time isn't great, i guess? Jul 12 08:22:11 Weiss: well, we don't really notice Jul 12 08:22:19 it's high speed serial link Jul 12 08:22:29 mrmoku: i will try the sim of my wife Jul 12 08:22:33 not sure what speed Jul 12 08:22:40 but dma handles it for us Jul 12 08:25:27 mrmoku connman yet the old version 0.19 in repo, why ? :) Jul 12 08:27:01 tmzt: hmm, so it's a question of implementing DRM for mananging your hardware for 2D blits/fills and perhaps 3D, with KMS thrown in more-or-less for fun? Jul 12 08:28:14 von_fritz, because there is something wrong with the way we set the preferred version for connman :( Jul 12 08:28:28 PaulFertser, I found the OABI issue for gta01 I think Jul 12 08:28:32 :) i have seen Jul 12 08:29:26 von_fritz, building it manually now Jul 12 08:29:58 Weiss: yes :) Jul 12 08:30:09 kms to kill the fbdev ioctls Jul 12 08:30:19 which make things harder Jul 12 08:30:29 but Jul 12 08:30:42 android uses them for page flipping Jul 12 08:31:01 I want to have dynamic framebuffer and page flipping Jul 12 08:31:11 Ainulindale, ping Jul 12 08:31:27 planning a simlified compositor for a prject I'm working on Jul 12 08:32:05 cool :) Jul 12 08:32:30 mickeyl, ping Jul 12 08:32:34 android compatability could get a little interesting.. i guess you could allocate twice the amount of framebuffer RAM that's strictly necessary, and let it pan up and down (as it does right now?) Jul 12 08:32:45 mickeyl, did you check if the gta01 kernel of ms5.5 has OABI support? Jul 12 08:33:04 well, X as a lightweight interface, with clients using dri Jul 12 08:33:10 yes, it does Jul 12 08:33:29 so does palm pre Jul 12 08:33:59 beware: you run into an interesting stumbling point if you use DRI2 without KMS: the framebuffer has no GEM handle, so you can't easily blit to i Jul 12 08:34:03 it* Jul 12 08:34:09 and maybe an inprocess compositor/wm like wayland uses Jul 12 08:34:22 ah Jul 12 08:34:30 okay, thanks Jul 12 08:34:32 (though you could try and make something like this work: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8e4b9ff4dc8bf57e53fa174f977c8fb00ec4e90) Jul 12 08:36:00 with EXA, that particular kludge can't be made to work as far as i can see. with other graphics infrastructures, maybe it can Jul 12 08:39:06 tamdararam: Jul 12 08:39:20 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rb60b4ca9a18a 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_pim.py: [PIM] add is_handler to known properties Jul 12 08:39:21 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r50c3573613e4 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: add missing PIMB_CAN_UPD_ENTRY_WITH_NEW_FIELD to properties Jul 12 08:39:22 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rb66c8ba2662e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (3 files): opimd: add new property PIMB_IS_HANDLER Jul 12 08:39:24 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r16ece4ad8784 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: fix poor typo... Jul 12 08:39:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6cf3986c62ac 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: cosmetic changes in _limit handling Jul 12 08:39:28 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r834dfcad243a 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: implement NewMissedCalls signal and make Update a bit faster Jul 12 08:39:31 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r4209e8697945 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: oeventsd: fso_triggers: add NewMissedCalls and NewMissedCallsTrigger Jul 12 08:40:23 Weiss: uxa is supposed to be similar to exa but for gem, though not for your hardware (with dedicated vram) Jul 12 08:40:33 Weiss: you don't have kms yet? Jul 12 08:49:15 i have almost implemented http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/4 :) Jul 12 08:54:15 dos1: plz, when you will be doing sorting, make the possibility to select the name or sirname to be at 1st sorting position. Jul 12 08:55:17 tmzt: yeah.. UXA seems to be intel-specific. and the EXA API is quite easy.. Jul 12 08:55:28 Q-Master: hmm? Jul 12 08:55:41 Q-Master: i want to add two fields, _sortby and _sortdesc Jul 12 08:55:44 I thought it was the same api Jul 12 08:55:56 very similar, but UXA only exists in the Intel tree Jul 12 08:56:03 yeah, it's very much for share ram devices Jul 12 08:56:23 but ati/nouveu are adapting it I think Jul 12 08:56:40 hmm..really? Jul 12 08:56:57 maybe, could be remebering wrong Jul 12 08:57:18 I follow these things pretty losely Jul 12 08:57:20 in any case, i'd rather not pull a load of extra code into our codebase unless there's a large advantage over EXA Jul 12 08:57:33 exa works? Jul 12 08:57:42 dos1: when sorting the contacts it will be good if the sorting could be made by name or sirname and if it will be possibility to select the position by which they will be shown in contacts. like name, sirname or sirname,name Jul 12 08:58:21 Display name, but automatic not with a field (like windows mobile and Outlook do) Jul 12 08:58:41 though having an override per contact might be nice too Jul 12 08:58:51 tmzt: EXA works without DRM at the moment. our next step is to get "EXA-via-DRM" to work - then we have everthing that exists in the standard Xorg driver, plus the ability to have 3D/video/whatever working alongside it Jul 12 08:59:10 I think exa via gem is uxa Jul 12 08:59:44 pretty much, yep Jul 12 08:59:51 okay Jul 12 08:59:55 mrmoku: alarm in e now shows the time with too big numbers. Not fit to screen. 8) Jul 12 09:00:22 but the Intel people gave it a new name and re-wrote the insides to remove stuff that's not strictly necessary for them Jul 12 09:00:36 yeah Jul 12 09:00:48 sometimes exa is slower if I remeber right Jul 12 09:01:03 some things are faster with shm Jul 12 09:01:43 what is gem anyway, like anonymous mappings? Jul 12 09:02:09 lsof looks weird on ubuntu karmic Jul 12 09:02:33 it's an ioctl interface for managing graphics memory Jul 12 09:03:01 so each time you open the device you can map more memory? Jul 12 09:04:13 kind of.. if you google "DRM GEM" you should get the (very slightly out-of-date) documentation Jul 12 09:04:20 Q-Master, yeah, have that too Jul 12 09:04:35 sure Jul 12 09:10:52 mickeyl: ping Jul 12 09:24:54 mrmoku: ping Jul 12 09:30:25 Ainulindale, hey Jul 12 09:30:32 Ainulindale, two problems Jul 12 09:30:35 yeah Jul 12 09:30:41 Ainulindale, first, kernel for gta01 is broken Jul 12 09:30:42 I'm waking up so be slow :-) Jul 12 09:30:56 it get's build without OABI_COMPAT Jul 12 09:31:06 and I know why, but don't know how to fix it Jul 12 09:31:18 Isn't the defconfig in the recipe? Jul 12 09:31:50 linux.inc is removing OABI_COMPAT if ARM_KEEP_OABI is 0 Jul 12 09:32:06 we set that to 1 in shr-om-gta01.inc Jul 12 09:32:25 but it gets set fixed to 0 by angstrom.inc first (I think) Jul 12 09:33:26 ARM_KEEP_OABI_pn-linux-openmoko-2.6.28_om-gta01 = "1" Jul 12 09:33:26 I'll have a look Jul 12 09:33:31 is in angstrom.inc Jul 12 09:33:41 I tried to add Jul 12 09:33:42 ARM_KEEP_OABI_pn-linux-openemoko-shr-devel_om-gta01 = "1" Jul 12 09:33:42 We don't use linux-openmoko Jul 12 09:33:48 And? Jul 12 09:33:52 does not work :( Jul 12 09:34:16 the other problem is PREFERRED_VERSION for connman Jul 12 09:34:42 ahh... ok. no other problem :P Jul 12 09:35:02 is there a reason for userspace to be oabi on gat01, gps was it? Jul 12 09:35:03 if you can take a look at the gta01 kernel... Jul 12 09:35:10 tmzt, yep gps Jul 12 09:35:23 and OABI COMPAT doesn't work? Jul 12 09:35:33 not mixed I mean Jul 12 09:35:37 but at all Jul 12 09:36:02 works fine if it is enabled Jul 12 09:36:58 That's weird according to what I see it should get set properly Jul 12 09:38:46 hey all Jul 12 09:39:14 Ainulindale, it get's removed in linux.inc Jul 12 09:40:05 Where? Jul 12 09:40:41 Hmmm Jul 12 09:40:44 Maybe because of that Jul 12 09:40:45 if [ "${TARGET_OS}" = "linux-gnueabi" -o "${TARGET_OS}" = "linux-uclibcgnueabi" ]; then Jul 12 09:43:36 mrmoku, i see the new bitbake is up and running :) thanks... Jul 12 09:45:23 F4t, yep :) Jul 12 09:45:42 Ainulindale, no, i loggered that one. TARGET_OS is linux-gnueabi Jul 12 09:45:54 but I loggered ARM_KEEP_OABI too and that one is 09 Jul 12 09:45:55 -9 Jul 12 09:46:08 "loggered" ? :-) Jul 12 09:46:10 logged? Jul 12 09:46:12 oenote Jul 12 09:46:17 :) Jul 12 09:46:28 I don't get you =) Jul 12 09:46:29 s/loggered/oenoted/ Jul 12 09:46:55 I stuffed some oenote into linux.inc to see the values of those Jul 12 09:47:26 mrmoku: ARM_KEEP_OABI_pn-linux-openmoko-2.6.28_om-gta01="1" Jul 12 09:47:32 That's wrong for example Jul 12 09:47:43 (bitbake -e) Jul 12 09:48:45 wrong for our kernel, yeah Jul 12 09:48:54 yep Jul 12 09:49:13 but ARM_KEEP_OABI_pn-linux-openemoko-shr-devel_om-gta01 = "1" should be good Jul 12 09:49:43 But I have none in my env Jul 12 09:49:53 None at all Jul 12 09:51:08 Ainulindale, tried that one locally Jul 12 09:51:33 we are trying to set ARM_KEEP_OABI in conf/distro/include/shr-om-gta01.inc Jul 12 09:51:47 yeah saw that Jul 12 09:51:55 s/inc/conf/ Jul 12 09:51:55 mrmoku meant: we are trying to set ARM_KEEP_OABI in conf/distro/conflude/shr-om-gta01.inc Jul 12 09:52:01 grr Jul 12 09:52:25 though it has no effect, because angstrom.inc sets it with = to 0 Jul 12 09:53:03 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rfbc6fb6273a4 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: implement UnreadMessages signal Jul 12 09:53:04 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r69d3f02d2303 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: oeventsd: fso_triggers: add UnreadMessages and UnreadMessagesTrigger Jul 12 09:53:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rd3a7b2221feb 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: oeventsd: fso_triggers: add IncomingUssd trigger Jul 12 09:53:19 mrmoku: well is angstrom loaded before in our default conf? Jul 12 09:53:23 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/4 implemented :) Jul 12 09:53:41 If it is, our inc should be = and not ?= Jul 12 09:54:14 our inc is = Jul 12 09:54:26 the thing is the second = won't overwrite the first = , no? Jul 12 09:54:32 Yes it will Jul 12 09:54:46 hmm... then maybe angstrom.inc comes after our inc Jul 12 09:55:28 So to me we should add our kernel into angstrom.inc Jul 12 09:56:13 yep Jul 12 10:29:55 Ainulindale, have to go now... bbl Jul 12 10:35:03 good morning Jul 12 10:35:31 Ainulindale: you asked me to anwser your mail on core ML, but I don't see what mail... Jul 12 10:36:34 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r380646c309dd 10/data/po/pl/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [data] update polish translation Jul 12 10:36:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r9afe2af7ba2d 10/data/po/shr-settings.pot: [data] update pot file Jul 12 10:52:10 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rd178d949013d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/api_overview.txt: opimd: docs: update api overview Jul 12 11:01:09 ptitjes: That's because I didn't ask anything Jul 12 11:04:52 Ainulindale: what about changing to x11-16 engine as default? we have now theme, which looks almost exactly the same in x11-16 as default in x11 Jul 12 11:18:09 Ainulindale: ah... oki Jul 12 11:33:56 about notifing users, when it's time to upgrade or when they shouldn't - what about RSS-Messages backend for opimd, configured as default with some SHR feed? :) Jul 12 11:36:17 or even dedicated backend for notifications Jul 12 11:50:15 i wonder if we can reach milestone6 in 3 weeks ;) Jul 12 11:56:36 Hi there! Can I ask you a thing? Jul 12 11:57:32 xela929: you just did... Jul 12 11:57:42 lol XD Jul 12 11:57:52 xela929: don't ask to ask, just ask Jul 12 11:57:58 Ok :) Jul 12 11:59:27 I use SHR unstable, and I want to know if is possible to deny messages to auto-open when they arrive... Jul 12 12:01:27 xela929: i'm sure it is, I just don't kknow how :) Jul 12 12:01:45 XD Jul 12 12:03:41 Anyone knows how? Jul 12 12:03:56 try dos1 or Ainulindale maybe Jul 12 12:04:47 Zorkman, xela929: now it isn't possible Jul 12 12:05:09 except using opimd Jul 12 12:05:32 but that's because ophonekitd ignores opimd signals :P Jul 12 12:05:33 Can I use it ATM? Jul 12 12:05:42 XD Jul 12 12:05:50 Perfect XD Jul 12 12:08:18 DocScrutinizer: please look at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/393 Jul 12 12:09:12 dos1: which theme? Jul 12 12:09:15 dos1: the neo theme? Jul 12 12:09:20 if you're talking about it it's ugly Jul 12 12:09:30 Ainulindale: no, sixteen theme Jul 12 12:09:35 Ainulindale: it's in SHR feed already :P Jul 12 12:09:36 dos1: screen please? :-) Jul 12 12:09:47 dos1: I was busy last week with a convention Jul 12 12:09:49 I'm a bit outdated Jul 12 12:10:58 Ainulindale: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=7 Jul 12 12:11:33 Is there an elm theme too? Jul 12 12:11:37 few things still looks ugly, but look at buttons in shr-settings :P Jul 12 12:11:38 Ainulindale: yep Jul 12 12:11:48 elementary-theme-sixteen and e-wm-theme-illume-sixteen Jul 12 12:11:50 Well you know the thing Jul 12 12:11:58 Mail the ML, ask users, then go for it Jul 12 12:12:02 I'll install it myself that's for sure Jul 12 12:12:14 Ainulindale: there was topic about that Jul 12 12:12:23 As I just said, I had no time Jul 12 12:12:31 But if there was and people agreed, then good :-) Jul 12 12:12:40 but i think on community maillist... i'll check Jul 12 12:12:44 Ah and we should once and for all package the default theme properly :-) Jul 12 12:18:25 but... What is this sixteen theme? It's like the default theme..! Jul 12 12:19:59 xela929: yes, that's the point. Jul 12 12:20:14 dos1: ? Jul 12 12:20:14 <|Fate|> lol, whoo took a screenshot of mokonnect? :P Jul 12 12:20:20 xela929: it looks like default theme on x11-16 engine, so it can be faster and not ugly as default ;) Jul 12 12:22:03 I tried to open in the settings the theme selection in x11-16, but it's the same than other themes: enlightenment hangs... Then I can't see difference between this and the default theme (in the settings, it's always awful..!) Jul 12 12:22:26 xela929: change to x11 when changing theme Jul 12 12:22:34 xela929: and after that change to x11-16 Jul 12 12:22:54 xela929: and install also elementary-theme-sixteen correctly Jul 12 12:22:58 dos1: I know, I did it Jul 12 12:23:02 (set is as default) Jul 12 12:23:17 e wrench settings aren't optimized now Jul 12 12:23:18 And I saw some improvements, but it's not the same yet Jul 12 12:23:50 Ok... But I think it's still very slow... Jul 12 12:24:14 xela929: did you also change ELM_ENGINE? Jul 12 12:25:13 Yes, in /etc/profile I added at the last line "export ELM_ENGINE=x11-16" Jul 12 12:26:18 it's correct, isn't it? Jul 12 12:27:42 dos1: how do i get rid of Collected errors: Jul 12 12:27:42 * Package etk-theme-shr wants to install file /usr/share/etk/themes/default.edj Jul 12 12:27:42 But that file is already provided by package * etk-themes Jul 12 12:27:42 ? Jul 12 12:27:59 Zorkman: what did you install? Jul 12 12:28:10 Zorkman: you can --force-overwrite Jul 12 12:28:54 dos1: just a normal opkg upgrade (-test) Jul 12 12:29:23 it's been almost two weeks since I upgraded I think Jul 12 12:34:29 Zorkman: did you install assassin? Jul 12 12:37:54 <|Fate|> guys, i was wondering, did anyone manage to install flash on the openmoko? Jul 12 12:38:30 |Fate|: flash? you mean adobe flash player? Jul 12 12:38:37 <|Fate|> dos1, yea Jul 12 12:38:41 |Fate|: if yes, i had running gnash on 2007.2 Jul 12 12:38:50 F4t: it was slow as hell Jul 12 12:39:08 whats gnash? and how slow? can it run lets say gem craft? :D Jul 12 12:42:52 F4t: gnash, gnu implementation of flash player Jul 12 12:43:07 F4t: except gnash or swfdec, how would you like to run flash on neo? :P Jul 12 12:43:16 it isn't open source... Jul 12 12:43:35 so whats in the tar.gz package that adobe provides? binaries? Jul 12 12:43:58 ah crap, yea, binaries... Jul 12 12:48:14 But does swfdec work now on the FR? Jul 12 12:48:27 It's better than gnash, isn't it? Jul 12 12:49:27 xela929: better? Jul 12 12:51:42 Ehm... Isn't it? XD Jul 12 12:52:31 any ready package of either? Jul 12 12:53:30 xela929: how do you measure that? Jul 12 12:53:54 F4t: gnash has been in debian for years Jul 12 12:54:21 F4t: why do you need flash? Jul 12 12:55:12 lindi-, i want to see how the moko handles some flash games, if it does well, theres a great amount of nice flash games out there... Jul 12 12:56:12 F4t: but most of them are non-free games? Jul 12 12:56:31 lindi-, no... www.armorgames.com Jul 12 12:57:25 F4t: are we talking about free as in feereedom here Jul 12 12:57:45 oh your talking like free speach, not free beer... Jul 12 12:58:11 i dont mind, if its free only in the sense i dont need to pay for them.... Jul 12 13:04:40 dos1: nope, never installed assassin, why? Jul 12 13:05:00 any easy way to install a debian package with its dependencies on SHR distro? Jul 12 13:15:42 F4t: i kind of assumed free software would mean that on #openmoko-cdevel Jul 12 13:16:59 like i said, i dont really mind using free as in no-pay software, even if its no free as in open source... but its my personal opinion... Jul 12 13:17:14 no free = not free Jul 12 13:39:34 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r4cb352e86f8c 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_ogsmd_calls.py: opimd: ogsmd-Calls: handle calls on multiple lines Jul 12 13:57:09 can someone test calls on multiple lines now? Jul 12 14:00:31 dos1: thanks Jul 12 14:01:01 DocScrutinizer: i've fixed opimd to handle multiple lines, now i want to fix oeventsd rule Jul 12 14:01:20 soraw ticket closed Jul 12 14:02:22 DocScrutinizer: so we have only 23 active tickets for ms6 :D Jul 12 14:02:25 no multi-line SIM here, can't test Jul 12 14:02:33 DocScrutinizer: also here Jul 12 14:03:33 moin, btw Jul 12 14:09:40 dos1: btw, to work with opimd do i need to set efl2? Jul 12 14:09:57 Q-Master: if you want to use efl2 then yes :P Jul 12 14:10:01 i'm using opimd-utils Jul 12 14:10:16 which isn't now ready, but will be soon Jul 12 14:10:56 dos1: opimd utils lacked for a dialer... do they have now? Jul 12 14:11:05 Q-Master: dialer? why for? Jul 12 14:11:44 i'm using dialer from phonegu-efl, and messages app from opimd-utils Jul 12 14:12:07 well, opimd-utils isn't phone suite Jul 12 14:12:08 dos1: to select the phones from opimd sqlite db, but not from sim Jul 12 14:12:11 that's only few test scripts ;p Jul 12 14:16:54 dos1: you seen my "ticket" for fso totally borking on inbound call during test-playback Jul 12 14:17:44 DocScrutinizer: where? Jul 12 14:17:49 i can't see it in FSO tracker Jul 12 14:17:54 dos1: I didn't do the suggested start of framworkd from shell yet Jul 12 14:18:18 dos1: (can't see) that's my point Jul 12 14:19:21 I reported here, as I can't file a bug against FSO if I'm not sure it's not a settings issue. And I can't open ticket at trac.shr Jul 12 14:19:52 I reported here in IRC several times Jul 12 14:28:42 dos1: sms notify sound during call also needs check (somewhat related topic I guess) Jul 12 14:29:08 DocScrutinizer: i think it can't be settings issue Jul 12 14:29:28 it just calls odeviced method to play sound Jul 12 14:29:41 it looks like odeviced doesn't handle few sounds played at the same time Jul 12 14:29:46 at produces traceback Jul 12 14:29:51 s/at/and/ Jul 12 14:29:51 dos1 meant: and produces traceback Jul 12 14:30:16 that's why starting frameworkd from shell is necessary before we start to talk about it Jul 12 14:33:02 well, yesterday I had another nice coremelt. Absolutely *everyting* I started immediately segfaulted :-O Jul 12 14:34:27 no idea how I managed to get there :-D Jul 12 14:35:04 DocScrutinizer: neo just tired of you. 8) Jul 12 14:35:22 well, that's mutual Jul 12 14:42:09 DocScrutinizer: i'm not able to reproduce it Jul 12 14:42:35 dos1: I wonder if you can duplicate the call-while-ringtoneTestplayback Jul 12 14:42:39 hehe Jul 12 14:42:45 telepathy Jul 12 14:43:31 DocScrutinizer: what type of ringtone are you using? Jul 12 14:43:38 with waves it works ok Jul 12 14:43:48 dos1: I used arkanoids[1] for ringtone, then during playback called the FR Jul 12 14:44:03 DocScrutinizer: in sid format? Jul 12 14:44:09 hmm, telepathy works well Jul 12 14:44:13 yup Jul 12 14:44:15 sid Jul 12 14:44:44 maybe that's why, checking it now Jul 12 14:45:47 dos1: note I seen once everything worked great until FE finished call Jul 12 14:46:06 DocScrutinizer: so i have to answer calls? Jul 12 14:46:13