**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 22 02:59:56 2009 Jul 22 03:19:31 who's working on the packaging of shr version of intone? - or is it just upstream? Jul 22 03:19:44 some buttons are missing image Jul 22 07:18:46 morning Jul 22 08:59:45 Hi. I'm preparing translations for SHR (http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Translating) but I need help with two things. Jul 22 08:59:55 a) screenshots to see where some of the strings are used Jul 22 09:00:27 b) formatting of the POT file, regarding comments and also multiline translations Jul 22 09:01:42 as an addition, there are two places where the word "New" is used, and I need them to be different to be correct Swedish Jul 22 09:01:57 (should be "Ny" in one place and "Nytt" in the other) Jul 22 09:02:24 Heya Jul 22 09:02:34 I believe you translate by phrase, not word Jul 22 09:02:39 ceda_wrk: hmmm screenshots Jul 22 09:02:43 I'll try to fix a) myself by running SHR on my openmoko Jul 22 09:03:05 ceda_wrk: there are some in my slides there http://build.shr-project.org/fsoshrudcon ("Julien Cassignol") Jul 22 09:03:12 (but that'll take some time, if screenshots are available that'd be good) Jul 22 09:03:21 as for multiline and formatting I'd suggest check other translations Jul 22 09:03:32 Ainulindale: perfect. I'll see if that contains what I need. :) Jul 22 09:03:41 ceda_wrk: there aren't that many screens, just some examples Jul 22 09:03:55 I'd suggest try to run it, it'd be the safe way :-) Jul 22 09:06:14 ceda_wrk: Page 8 Jul 22 09:06:26 I'm at 9 now Jul 22 09:06:31 Ok fine :-) Jul 22 09:06:43 Well anyhow if you need some info tell me so :-) Jul 22 09:07:00 mrmoku ? Jul 22 09:07:02 Ainulindale: ok, one question them Jul 22 09:07:03 then* Jul 22 09:07:19 Yep? Jul 22 09:07:33 on page 10 (the message list) the button should say "Nytt" in Swedish, but on page 9 the New button should say "Ny" Jul 22 09:07:57 in the POT file I only have one msgid "New" referencing those two places Jul 22 09:08:07 Hmmm Jul 22 09:08:14 I'm not sure it's "hackable" right now Jul 22 09:08:24 ok Jul 22 09:08:27 Ainulindale, yep Jul 22 09:09:01 Ainulindale: I'll see if I can get in touch with some of the people from 7-8 years back when I did some translations and see how they usually solve this Jul 22 09:09:21 mrmoku: need a hand with something? :-) Jul 22 09:09:32 tell me Jul 22 09:09:33 ceda_wrk: well you should have a look at the wiki first Jul 22 09:09:42 Ainulindale: btw, is there an easy way for me to try the POT file out once I've got it Jul 22 09:09:58 Well Jul 22 09:10:01 oh, fate not here Jul 22 09:10:05 You give it to me, I recompile with it, I give you the package Jul 22 09:10:10 Other than that I don't know :-) Jul 22 09:10:19 i tried mokonnect svnr100 but that still doesn't do the trick for me Jul 22 09:10:25 Ainulindale: that sounds just fine too me. :) Jul 22 09:13:42 Ainulindale, left hand or right hand? :P Jul 22 09:13:44 Ainulindale: multiline issue fixed Jul 22 09:14:02 also, wenn i want to bake connman myself i get the 0.19 from git, while on my phone i've already got 0.22-git, has there been a rollback? Jul 22 09:14:34 Ainulindale: hm, btw, which jffs should I use from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D Jul 22 09:14:48 latest and greates? Jul 22 09:14:56 +t Jul 22 09:15:17 yep Jul 22 09:15:28 Do I need Qi? Jul 22 09:15:30 mrmoku: and more seriously? Do you need me for something? Jul 22 09:15:33 It's not mandatory Jul 22 09:15:36 But you should install it Jul 22 09:15:38 It's smarter Jul 22 09:16:42 Ainulindale, ahh... thought you would need something from me :) Jul 22 09:17:01 Ainulindale, one thing we should get in shape is gta01 Jul 22 09:18:36 Yeah Jul 22 09:18:39 First suggestion is Jul 22 09:18:53 Create a new ringtone package with a simple sid file or something Jul 22 09:18:55 or a tiny wav Jul 22 09:19:00 put it as a default for GTA01 Jul 22 09:19:04 remove fso-sounds for both image Jul 22 09:19:05 +s Jul 22 09:19:45 will that shrink it enough? Jul 22 09:20:03 fso-sounds is 3 megs Jul 22 09:20:08 so is frameworkd-config-shr with ringroll Jul 22 09:20:11 so -6 megs Jul 22 09:20:35 sid is no more me thinks Jul 22 09:20:42 so a tiny wav is needed Jul 22 09:20:46 where to get one? Jul 22 09:21:27 well old 2007.2 Jul 22 09:21:30 "ring" Jul 22 09:21:45 mwester should know :-p Jul 22 09:21:59 mrmoku: I'd suggest we package a shr-sounds theme which would provide fso-sounds Jul 22 09:22:04 (I can't recall if thisis the exact name) Jul 22 09:23:00 think so, yeah Jul 22 09:24:03 oh, i have another thing, connman_git.bb writes PV = "0.22+gitr${SRCPV}" Jul 22 09:24:27 while the installed connmand is 0.29 already :) Jul 22 09:24:38 bad PV :-) Jul 22 09:24:58 hmm, the link to the kernel to use from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR gives 403 (Forbidden) Jul 22 09:25:06 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jul 22 09:25:13 ceda_wrk: don't use testing Jul 22 09:25:14 use unstable Jul 22 09:25:20 testing is in a migration process these days Jul 22 09:25:35 ceda_wrk: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02 Jul 22 09:25:40 ceda_wrk: use latest/latest Jul 22 09:26:24 sure Jul 22 09:26:48 mrmoku: in frameworkd-config-shr are default sounds both for call and for messages Jul 22 09:26:58 hehe, my GSM firwmare is -8. It's been a while since I used my FreeRunner :) Jul 22 09:27:04 ceda_wrk: update it :-) Jul 22 09:27:08 dos1: this is dumb Jul 22 09:27:12 I know it I made it that way Jul 22 09:27:30 That's why I think we should package it out of the conf Jul 22 09:27:45 And we should fix revs for binary packages Jul 22 09:27:49 (splashscreens, sounds, themes) Jul 22 09:27:50 Ainulindale: i just said that we don't need that sid :P Jul 22 09:28:05 dos1? We weren't talking about sid :-) Jul 22 09:30:06 Ainulindale: Jul 22 09:30:07 [11:19] sid is no more me thinks Jul 22 09:30:09 [11:19] so a tiny wav is needed Jul 22 09:30:16 i just said it is not needed :P Jul 22 09:30:22 as it already is there Jul 22 09:32:34 Ah ok Jul 22 09:32:42 dos1: as you can see I didn't get much sleep :-) Jul 22 09:39:25 hi does anybody know if bug #435 is already fixed in the newest om2009 unstable image? Jul 22 09:44:38 Ainulindale, mrmoku: why we didn't merge with oe dev bnranch? Jul 22 09:44:51 they have some things that could be nice Jul 22 09:45:04 methril|work: well because we follow ms5.5 Jul 22 09:45:12 I can't recall if they merged or not Jul 22 09:45:15 They merged with us though Jul 22 09:45:22 So maybe it's time we merge dev in our branch Jul 22 09:45:29 But I think first thing to do is to be able to regenerate stuff :-) Jul 22 09:46:09 ok Jul 22 09:46:19 i was tring to merge and they've a lot of changes Jul 22 09:46:27 but i don't know how to carry on :) Jul 22 09:46:55 Ainulindale: what does "be able to regenerate stuff" means? Jul 22 09:48:44 regenerage a proper and stable image for unstable and testing :-) Jul 22 09:48:49 s/age/ate/ Jul 22 09:48:49 Ainulindale meant: regenerate a proper and stable image for unstable and testing :-) Jul 22 09:50:55 Ainulindale, I cherry-pick things here and there from oedev Jul 22 09:51:50 and we should do that merge when we create the new freesmartphone branch Jul 22 09:52:03 well we should have created that a while ago Jul 22 09:52:10 I don't get why people from FSO kept working on MS5.5 Jul 22 09:52:13 The bastards! :-) Jul 22 09:52:34 Ainulindale, I was talking with mickey|dinner about that... and we decided to do that after the release of ms5.5 Jul 22 09:53:08 which would be now :) Jul 22 09:53:42 yeah but IRC talks should be concluded by a mail you know my point of view :-p Jul 22 09:54:07 Else people with real jobs, as me, can't follow :-p Jul 22 09:54:44 rawr, upgrading connman to 0.30 didn't get me anywhere :) Jul 22 09:55:36 Jul 22 11:55:22 t61-laptopt kernel: [29478.959700] lost page write due to I/O error on mmcblk0 Jul 22 09:55:39 Jul 22 11:55:22 t61-laptopt kernel: [29478.959709] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 1040 Jul 22 09:55:43 darn, need another uSD card :P Jul 22 09:55:51 Meomer, where does it hang Jul 22 09:55:58 woah Jul 22 09:56:04 but that might not be the card Jul 22 09:56:09 see if it happens again Jul 22 09:56:14 after reboot Jul 22 09:56:20 * mrmoku goes downstairs to give mokonnect a ride Jul 22 09:56:23 mrmoku: can't find any network devices, and tells me i should check if the plugins are installed :) Jul 22 09:56:37 mrmoku: mokonnect only works at a given altitude? :-) Jul 22 09:57:30 the wifi waves need a certain atmospheric pressure :p Jul 22 10:05:30 Ainulindale, my AP is in the basement :P Jul 22 10:05:53 mrmoku: was it working for you? Jul 22 10:05:59 Meomer, no Jul 22 10:06:29 hmm, i didn't copy/install connman-scrits, how dependent is it on that? Jul 22 10:06:42 by install i mean upgrade Jul 22 10:08:05 no idea Jul 22 10:08:15 now i'm at the point again where i can't connect with either wifi or usb :) Jul 22 10:09:02 neomilium, well... yeah it depends on those scripts for dhcp Jul 22 10:09:15 and usb works fine for me Jul 22 10:09:33 though I have a dhcp server running on my laptop :P Jul 22 10:09:54 ? Jul 22 10:10:01 neomilium: YEAH YOU ASKED FOR IT! :-) Jul 22 10:10:05 neomilium: howdy? Jul 22 10:10:48 Meomer, ok, just tried static usb config... seems to work too Jul 22 10:11:18 "Ethernet device was not found in connman. Do you have connman-plugin-ethernet installed?" when i try static usb in mokonnect Jul 22 10:11:31 Meomer, had that on first try too... retry worked then Jul 22 10:11:34 Ainulindale: I don't understand what happends, but... Jul 22 10:11:46 Ainulindale: i'm fine and you ? Jul 22 10:11:47 neomilium: tab error :-) Jul 22 10:11:50 neomilium: fine :-) Jul 22 10:11:55 :p Jul 22 10:12:00 Did you try -Os in the end? Jul 22 10:13:13 BillK, intone icons are fixed now Jul 22 10:18:33 does opkg save downloaded ipks somewhere? :) Jul 22 10:35:58 * mrmoku lunch Jul 22 10:36:26 hmm, my problems with ophonekitd are not yet solved. Jul 22 10:36:38 it refuses to start once again, and this time manually launching it doesn't help Jul 22 10:36:50 http://farhaven.pastebin.com/d313a0b9c <-- this is its output Jul 22 10:42:26 mickeyl: when is planned the oe dev merge with the fso/ms5.5 ? :) Jul 22 10:42:38 mickeyl: i'm waiting it desperately Jul 22 10:42:51 mickeyl: if i could help.... Jul 22 10:45:35 ah, nevermind, solved it Jul 22 10:53:37 farhaven: ah, was just looking at it :-) Jul 22 10:53:48 hehe Jul 22 10:53:56 looks like issues won't stop :) Jul 22 10:54:02 let me guess what it was before telling me :-) Jul 22 10:54:04 ophonekitd now complains about GSM not being available Jul 22 10:54:06 k Jul 22 10:54:52 whee, randomly restarting frameworkd and ophonekitd solved the gsm issue :D Jul 22 10:55:03 ok dbus names not properly registered? Frameworkd not launched? Jul 22 10:55:14 farhaven: if you have any kind of problem with the GSM Jul 22 10:55:16 the frameworkd install was broken Jul 22 10:55:24 do /etc/init.d/framework stop Jul 22 10:55:27 killall gsm0710muxd Jul 22 10:55:33 check if fso-abyss is launched as well Jul 22 10:55:36 then killall -9 ophonekitd Jul 22 10:55:39 then restart the framework Jul 22 10:55:41 then ophonekitd& Jul 22 10:56:00 but this isn't due to ophonekitd (GSM) Jul 22 10:56:07 what is the issue then? Jul 22 10:56:21 well ophonekitd merely asks for the GSM resource Jul 22 10:56:31 i figured as much :P Jul 22 10:56:32 if it is unavailable the problem comes from the framework and/or fso-abyss and/or GSM Jul 22 10:56:55 (as in SIM isn't sitting properly in its slot) Jul 22 10:57:06 hmm Jul 22 10:57:12 Did you ever update your GSM firmware? Jul 22 10:57:20 yeah, it's moko11 now, iirc Jul 22 10:57:34 then it should work properly, although I heard some complaining about fso-abyss Jul 22 10:58:05 well, it's running now Jul 22 10:58:14 i think i simply won't reboot the phone anymore :D Jul 22 10:59:01 ok, something is wrong with dbus here Jul 22 10:59:08 shr-contacts fails, too Jul 22 10:59:22 Which image are you using? Jul 22 10:59:23 http://farhaven.pastebin.com/d4e70a55b Jul 22 10:59:24 Latest unstable? Jul 22 10:59:27 shr unstable, yeah Jul 22 10:59:37 i upgraded just yesterday :) Jul 22 10:59:52 resource device not enabled? Jul 22 10:59:56 I have an idea about what your problem may be Jul 22 11:00:04 Did you modify the framework conf? Jul 22 11:00:04 :D Jul 22 11:00:07 uhm Jul 22 11:00:10 not that i know of Jul 22 11:00:16 Ok then do the following Jul 22 11:00:27 opkg -force-reinstall install frameworkd-config-shr Jul 22 11:00:45 And answer Y to the conf file dialog Jul 22 11:00:46 Then reboot Jul 22 11:00:54 k Jul 22 11:01:09 If it doesn't ask to overwrite your conf Jul 22 11:01:10 Just to be sure Jul 22 11:01:18 opkg -force-depends remove frameworkd-config-shr Jul 22 11:01:26 then opkg install frameworkd-config-shr Jul 22 11:01:28 and reboot again Jul 22 11:01:38 farhaven: device should be enabled by the framework Jul 22 11:01:43 If it isn't there's a problem Jul 22 11:01:47 okay Jul 22 11:01:50 And your frameworkd.log might come in handy Jul 22 11:02:03 hmm, it complains about some files not having an md5sum O_o Jul 22 11:02:15 /etc/frameworkd.conf is among them Jul 22 11:03:06 No problem with that Jul 22 11:03:12 okay Jul 22 11:03:20 about shr (updated) : after a suspend, the phone does not play the ringtone anymore for incoming calls Jul 22 11:03:20 Did it ask you to overwrite or not? Jul 22 11:03:29 nope, no questions were asked Jul 22 11:03:31 tsaitgaist: did you install navit? Jul 22 11:03:40 farhaven: then remove reinstall to make sure & reboot Jul 22 11:03:46 tsaitgaist: yes, from there repo Jul 22 11:03:52 yep, will do Jul 22 11:03:56 tsaitgaist: opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher Jul 22 11:04:01 tsaitgaist: and all will be well again Jul 22 11:04:15 Ainulindale : thanks Jul 22 11:04:20 you're welcome Jul 22 11:04:59 http://farhaven.pastebin.com/d1854191a <-- this is frameworkd.log btw Jul 22 11:05:05 line 210 looks... odd Jul 22 11:05:39 It was corrected recently Jul 22 11:05:45 That's a race when opimd starts before ogsmd Jul 22 11:05:50 okay Jul 22 11:05:56 other question : is it possible (will it be) to have a delivery report for sms ? and an inbox for sent sms ? Jul 22 11:05:57 I'll rebuild the package immediately Jul 22 11:06:05 tsaitgaist: for the time being no Jul 22 11:06:06 But it will Jul 22 11:06:10 tsaitgaist++ Jul 22 11:06:11 I think it already is with opimd Jul 22 11:06:27 oh, so i get disconnected if i stop connman, who'd have thought 8-) Jul 22 11:06:27 especially the box for sent sms would be neat Jul 22 11:06:31 lol Jul 22 11:10:57 I made a swap on usd in fstab (for navit updates). The first time it's impossible to mount (no mount point). after reboot, the swap is there (free), but not in the mount table (mount -l). why ? Jul 22 11:12:10 tsaitgaist: made swap fs? Jul 22 11:12:55 DocScrutinizer : the partition, yes, it's swap fs (and used/mounted on rebbot) Jul 22 11:13:04 mkswap (8) Jul 22 11:14:11 DocScrutinizer : perfect. now I untersand better Jul 22 11:16:15 Marf :-) Jul 22 11:19:09 tsaitgaist: so does this mean it's been the missing "formatting" via mkswap that was the cause? Does it work now? Jul 22 11:19:26 farhaven: feed updated Jul 22 11:19:32 opkg update/upgrade :-) Jul 22 11:19:51 thx :) Jul 22 11:19:55 Dolby Jul 22 11:21:10 Ainulindale : I did not use the swapon command, I only created the entry in /etc/fstab and used mount -a Jul 22 11:21:13 swap isn't in the mount table (mount -l) at least on my ubuntu Jul 22 11:21:39 and it shouldn't be, because it isn't really mounted Jul 22 11:21:39 you have to cat /proc/swaps Jul 22 11:21:42 Ainulindale : at next boot, swapon is used for the fstad entries Jul 22 11:21:46 or do swapon -l Jul 22 11:21:50 or was that -S? Jul 22 11:21:59 swapon -s it is Jul 22 11:22:06 yes Jul 22 11:23:10 tsaitgaist: I don't know how to help with that :-) Jul 22 11:23:11 bah, buntkuh :-/ Jul 22 11:23:17 Plus I don't have that much time sorry :-) Jul 22 11:23:34 it is solved : use swapon Jul 22 11:23:39 tsaitgaist: that should work, but you still have to use mkswap Jul 22 11:23:44 without the magic it won't work Jul 22 11:23:47 swapon -a then? Jul 22 11:24:05 yup Jul 22 11:24:07 yeah Jul 22 11:24:20 though if it appears in /etc/fstab, it should be activated by some initscript Jul 22 11:24:21 does mount -a attach swaps? Jul 22 11:25:27 swapon -s does not exist, swapon -a mounts it, cat /proc/swap shows the entry Jul 22 11:25:42 yeah, maybe swapon is some link to busybox there Jul 22 11:26:16 tmzt: tsaitgaist seems to be determined to gnore our sugestions regarding mkswap Jul 22 11:27:33 DocScrutinizer : mkswap is not needed anymore, the partition it already there and mounted. but the man showed me how to do it right for the next time Jul 22 11:27:54 ([2009-07-22 13:24:21] does mount -a attach swaps?) should, no? how to create multiple swaps with prio otherwise? Jul 22 11:28:24 *sigh* Jul 22 11:28:25 mount -a does not mount swap Jul 22 11:28:41 hey all Jul 22 11:29:01 mrmoku, i see svnr100 was built :) thanks... Jul 22 11:29:59 f4t: did r100 work for you? Jul 22 11:30:25 Meomer, yep... so im here to debug urs, and von_fritz's problems :D Jul 22 11:31:19 i have raised the stakes :p i've updated connman from 0.29 to 0.30 with the result that it doesn't work at all anymore :) Jul 22 11:31:26 Ainulindale: opkg just said fork failed while installing frameworkd O_o Jul 22 11:31:33 and there were a lot of files with missing md5sums Jul 22 11:31:52 f4t: what connman version are you running it against? Jul 22 11:32:04 farhaven: /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop Jul 22 11:32:12 k Jul 22 11:32:13 farhaven: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop Jul 22 11:32:14 tmzt: (mount -a) == swapon -a Jul 22 11:32:17 then redo opkg upgrade Jul 22 11:32:21 Meomer, for me it worked with opkg's gitr... and my own compilation... Jul 22 11:32:25 i noticed that bitbake want's to make 0.19 wenn i don't specify a .bb Jul 22 11:32:29 is the fix-update.sh script still needed for the latest built ? Jul 22 11:32:33 Ainulindale: opky Jul 22 11:32:35 *aoky Jul 22 11:32:38 *okay Jul 22 11:32:39 damnit Jul 22 11:32:40 :) Jul 22 11:32:41 opkg is the 0.29 i was using until earlier today Jul 22 11:32:48 Meomer, you are building 0.30 using the bitbake script? Jul 22 11:33:03 yes Jul 22 11:33:06 Meomer, the one in opkg (0.29) is 2 commits away from 0.30 :) Jul 22 11:33:24 well, lets debug it then, did u update the plugins too? Jul 22 11:33:35 yes, and scripts and test-utils Jul 22 11:33:53 list_installed |grep connman says all is 0.30 Jul 22 11:35:03 when i press scan now the scan butten raises for a moment and then goes back to normal, nothing happens Jul 22 11:35:30 Meomer, run it from terminal, you should see a message after that... Jul 22 11:35:33 oh, i loose the usb connection, that's what happens, i think it's restarting connmand Jul 22 11:35:55 its trying to find the wifi connection.... failing to do so, it tryes to restart it and find it again.... Jul 22 11:36:55 booting SHR for first time Jul 22 11:36:55 if you are working from SSH, i recommend removing connman-ethernet-plugin for now... Jul 22 11:37:08 so connman will stop bugging ur usb con while we debug wifi Jul 22 11:37:46 "Failed powering on the device or it was still not found in connman." Jul 22 11:38:05 yep, connman doesnt see the wifi device.... Jul 22 11:39:13 Meomer, .... killall connamnd; opkg remove connman-plugin-ethernet; connmand -nd > log.txt 2> log2.txt Jul 22 11:39:19 connmand* Jul 22 11:39:20 Ainulindale: http://wendt.se/openmoko/shr/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.pot Jul 22 11:40:06 I'm not sure your stuff satisfies the "language" part Jul 22 11:40:11 Ainulindale: swedish is "sv" Jul 22 11:40:20 It looks more as random letters than an actual language :-p Jul 22 11:40:47 Ainulindale: sorry? Jul 22 11:40:54 Just a bad joke :-) Jul 22 11:40:55 UTF-8 Jul 22 11:41:00 :) Jul 22 11:41:21 I can read utf8 don't worry :-) Jul 22 11:41:25 Ainulindale: the issue persists :/ Jul 22 11:41:26 It's just that I can't read swedis Jul 22 11:41:35 farhaven: which one again? Jul 22 11:41:42 Ainulindale: you're french? Jul 22 11:41:45 Yep Jul 22 11:41:47 ophonekitd says GSM not enbaled Jul 22 11:41:50 *enabled Jul 22 11:41:54 farhaven: give me full logs Jul 22 11:41:56 and the contacts app crashes Jul 22 11:41:58 k, second Jul 22 11:43:08 ah, gsm just came up... Jul 22 11:43:27 and shr-contacts works... Jul 22 11:43:33 so it just took some time to come up Jul 22 11:43:37 thanks a lot for your help :) Jul 22 11:44:57 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr * r8bc4cc67c298 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/po/sv.po: libframeworkd-phponegui-efl: Added new swedish translation thanks to Fredrik Went. Jul 22 11:45:00 farhaven: yeah once gsm is enabled on the framework side Jul 22 11:45:05 farhaven: ophonekitd will use it Jul 22 11:45:08 then contacts will be launchable Jul 22 11:45:34 ok, great Jul 22 11:47:33 ceda_wrk: currently building Jul 22 11:47:39 f4t: nothing on stdout, stderr only has output on the first attempt, nothing happening on subsequent clicks even after restarting mokonnect Jul 22 11:48:16 Meomer, upload the stderr log to some pastebin Jul 22 11:48:17 oh wait Jul 22 11:48:31 ? Jul 22 11:48:33 there's a reason it stopped reporting :) Jul 22 11:48:40 Meomer, whats that? Jul 22 11:48:59 segfaulted? :P Jul 22 11:49:04 *** glibc detected *** connmand: corrupted double-linked list: 0x00036458 *** Jul 22 11:49:07 :) Jul 22 11:49:13 close enough... Jul 22 11:49:30 anyway upload the log to some pastebin... ill have the devs of connman and myself take a look Jul 22 11:49:40 then the last line in stderr makes more sense, which is just "aborted" :) Jul 22 11:50:03 :) Jul 22 11:52:03 Meomer, so are you pasting it? Jul 22 11:53:06 http://pastebin.org/3552 Jul 22 11:53:36 ceda_wrk: it's online Jul 22 11:53:45 ceda_wrk: opkg update && opkg upgrade Jul 22 11:56:01 Hey GNUtoo Jul 22 11:56:14 Ainulindale, hi Jul 22 11:56:56 mickey|cafe, have a nice capuccino for me too :) Jul 22 11:57:00 Meomer, thanks, im taking a look Jul 22 11:59:26 Meomer, where is the corrupted double-linked list message? Jul 22 12:00:38 Meomer, u compiled with the fake driver? Jul 22 12:00:55 that one was on the terminal funny enough Jul 22 12:01:45 i've checked now... the 0.22 git 5b69, is the newest one in shr repo, it was added today, you should update to that... Jul 22 12:02:19 erm, is that 0.22 the one that pulls 0.30? Jul 22 12:02:44 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/connman-dbg_0.22+gitr1578+5b69740e1c72bd261bc37adc6fbbf09fa50cc5a2-r1_armv4t.ipk Jul 22 12:02:49 this is latest connman.... Jul 22 12:02:51 * mrmoku will update PV on next rebuild :P Jul 22 12:02:59 :P Jul 22 12:03:53 I built some stuff today mrmoku Jul 22 12:04:01 ceda_wrk: could you test if your translation is online? Jul 22 12:04:41 Ainulindale: me too :;P Jul 22 12:05:16 hello there Jul 22 12:05:24 Ainulindale: sure, I'll just finish my lunch Jul 22 12:05:48 Ainulindale: oh, is there a GUI way to change locale? Jul 22 12:06:39 ceda_wrk: yep through e Jul 22 12:06:46 hi, I've a problem...what's the correct way to have an icon on the desktop on SHR? Jul 22 12:06:49 if you just installed Jul 22 12:06:53 then install your locale Jul 22 12:07:00 ( libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0-locale-sv I suppose) Jul 22 12:07:06 (or something like that) Jul 22 12:07:10 Then rm -rf ~/.e Jul 22 12:07:16 and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Jul 22 12:07:23 softlinking /usr/share/applications/something.desktop to .e/don'tremember gives me wesnoth Jul 22 12:07:53 and I want others things than wesnoth Jul 22 12:11:13 GNUtoo, Jul 22 12:11:17 What do you want to do? Jul 22 12:11:22 Make the desktop file appear? Jul 22 12:12:28 Ainulindale, yes Jul 22 12:12:32 and remove some of them Jul 22 12:12:44 basically I copied /home into my new sdcard Jul 22 12:12:52 and I have different icons Jul 22 12:13:51 GNUtoo: edit /etc/xdg something Jul 22 12:13:56 there's an applications.menu file Jul 22 12:14:00 you just have to modify it Jul 22 12:14:12 Ainulindale, ok thanks a lot Jul 22 12:14:25 you're welcome Jul 22 12:16:35 Ainulindale, my question wasn't clear Jul 22 12:16:56 GNUtoo: this file allows you to specify additional categories appearing on the desktop Jul 22 12:17:02 if you don't have *.desktop file Jul 22 12:17:05 yes but that's not the problem Jul 22 12:17:08 then you have to add them in /usr/share/applications Jul 22 12:17:13 the problem is that /home/root/.e/e/appshadow was overwritten Jul 22 12:17:17 Oh Jul 22 12:17:21 Then I don't know :-) Jul 22 12:17:25 ok Jul 22 12:17:47 Sorry :-) Jul 22 12:30:34 hmm, can anyone suggest a good headset for my freerunner? Jul 22 12:30:38 i'd prefer wired Jul 22 12:37:23 hi Jul 22 12:37:30 hmm Jul 22 12:37:41 why Qi Hardware isn't using Qi as bootloader? :D Jul 22 12:39:52 hehe Jul 22 12:39:59 i wondered that Jul 22 12:40:19 (the origin of the name is the same? i wondered if Andy named the bootloader Qi after the TV series instead..) Jul 22 12:42:57 anyone else tested mokonnect svnr100? Jul 22 12:43:11 mrmoku, ? Jul 22 12:43:30 gave it a short shot without success Jul 22 12:44:06 mrmoku, what failed u this time? Jul 22 12:44:39 I had the issue that it does not find the wifi Jul 22 12:44:58 * mrmoku retries to get console output Jul 22 12:45:29 mrmoku, doesnt find the wifi device? Jul 22 12:45:35 doh :P Jul 22 12:45:38 "can't get //usr/lib/opkg/info/frameworkd.control open for read" Jul 22 12:45:48 mrmoku: do you have http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2277/wifi_ifupdown.patch ? Jul 22 12:45:53 Meomer, you still want to solve that glibc and abort issue? Jul 22 12:46:03 lindi-, not that I would know off Jul 22 12:46:19 Meomer, join #connman and talk to talk to holtman... i already gave him your paste... Jul 22 12:46:39 F4, ahh, now it found something :) Jul 22 12:46:55 something good? or something bad? :) Jul 22 12:47:17 F4t, well... my network... so I would guess something good ;) Jul 22 12:47:22 mrmoku: then don't expect wifi to work :) Jul 22 12:47:28 * mrmoku going downstairs to actually try to connect Jul 22 12:47:38 lindi-, hmm... ok - though it worked before Jul 22 12:47:45 brb Jul 22 12:48:28 "xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `//usr/lib/opkg/info/libframeworkd-phonegui0.postinst configure'" Jul 22 12:48:40 lots of those :P Jul 22 12:50:27 i just updated a new installed sdcard shr, but i still have this ophonekitd "dbus-daemon-launch-helper" problem. i added the sleep but its still not working. are there any other workarounds or fixes? Jul 22 12:50:43 mrmoku: it broke near February Jul 22 12:51:11 Mortak: which problem? Jul 22 12:51:22 Mortak: log please? Jul 22 12:51:28 ceda_wrk: /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop Jul 22 12:51:36 ceda_wrk: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop Jul 22 12:51:37 opkg upgrade Jul 22 12:51:44 should go through Jul 22 12:52:20 F4t: works :D Jul 22 12:52:29 mrmobil, :D Jul 22 12:53:20 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.ca/1503147 Jul 22 12:54:05 Mortak: that's not a problem Jul 22 12:54:16 it just means there was a dbus error Jul 22 12:54:22 check that framework & fsousage are launched Jul 22 12:54:29 (ps auxw | grep usage) Jul 22 12:54:32 Ainulindale: second Jul 22 12:54:34 (and ps auxw | grep framework) Jul 22 12:55:04 mrmobil, mrmoku, party! Jul 22 12:55:57 Ainulindale: I fixed it by running -force-reinstall and install on each package. However, the e settings only let me choose locale from those in the list is shows, and that list contains english only Jul 22 12:55:58 Ainulindale: both not started Jul 22 12:56:16 Mortak: then that's not normal :-) Jul 22 12:56:22 Mortak: /etc/init.d/framework start Jul 22 12:56:27 killall -9 ophonekitd Jul 22 12:56:29 wait ten seconds Jul 22 12:56:31 ophonekitd& Jul 22 12:56:51 ceda_wrk: glibc-binary-localedata-sv IIRC Jul 22 12:56:56 eek.. i dont have a framework init script :) Jul 22 12:56:57 ok Jul 22 12:56:57 ceda_wrk: check it with a opkg list | grep -sv Jul 22 12:57:12 Mortak: I don't know what you did but that's wrong :-) Jul 22 12:57:52 just installed shr from yesterday and run a update/upgrade Jul 22 12:57:54 :) Jul 22 12:58:16 well I did the same yesterday Jul 22 12:58:19 And I had no problem Jul 22 12:58:24 opkg list_installed | grep framework Jul 22 12:58:35 and opkg list_installed |grep fsousage Jul 22 12:58:53 Ainulindale: 8 packages are installed Jul 22 12:59:06 (grepping for -sv matches a lot of mumbo-yumbo-svn1234 btw :) Jul 22 12:59:30 Ainulindale: fsousaged is installed too :) Jul 22 12:59:47 Mortak: opkg install -force-reinstall frameworkd Jul 22 13:00:00 (the init script is frameworkd not framework IIRC) Jul 22 13:00:03 Ainulindale: just started that :) thx Jul 22 13:00:29 it should have started though Jul 22 13:00:36 did you updated/upgraded and didn't reboot? Jul 22 13:01:07 Ainulindale: nope, i rebooted (im a reboot professional!!) Jul 22 13:01:12 heh :-) Jul 22 13:01:15 then frameworkd should have started Jul 22 13:01:25 its starting Jul 22 13:01:41 waiting.. Jul 22 13:02:04 ophonekitd& :-) Jul 22 13:02:06 ophonekitd doesnt give any errors atm Jul 22 13:02:14 is usage running? Jul 22 13:02:31 yes sir :) Jul 22 13:02:36 that's good news then Jul 22 13:02:51 "Unknown internal dbus error: Activation of org.freesmartphone.ousaged timed out, 79 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 20" *cough* Jul 22 13:02:59 ill try to reboot Jul 22 13:03:01 ophonekitd? Jul 22 13:03:08 yeah safe path Jul 22 13:03:16 its the ophonekitd msg Jul 22 13:03:19 reboot, retry, whine, spank me, make me fix potential bugs Jul 22 13:03:23 hold on :) Jul 22 13:03:24 Meomer, here? Jul 22 13:03:28 Mortak: nah, hold power Jul 22 13:03:39 * Ainulindale hangs himself for such a joke Jul 22 13:03:51 ^^ Jul 22 13:04:14 heh Jul 22 13:04:31 mickey|cafe: heya Jul 22 13:06:36 hi Ainulindale Jul 22 13:06:50 how's life? Jul 22 13:07:09 pretty good, sitting in a sunny cafe, catching up with mail Jul 22 13:07:13 :-) Jul 22 13:07:24 I'd like to do that as well Jul 22 13:07:30 But I'm attending a boring meeting with Oracle right now Jul 22 13:07:37 hehe Jul 22 13:08:12 ah btw. Jul 22 13:08:22 i'll send my itiniary when I'm home Jul 22 13:08:32 good! :-) Jul 22 13:09:25 hmm, frameworkd wasnt startet on reboot Jul 22 13:10:13 That's not normal Jul 22 13:10:15 reinstall it Jul 22 13:11:18 Ainulindale, i love how all the upgrade problems are solved with reinstalling packages one by one... how sucky opkg has to be not to manage that one right? Jul 22 13:11:33 well first time I hear about that Jul 22 13:11:37 So I don't know :-) Jul 22 13:11:41 It may be coincidental Jul 22 13:11:45 It may be a PEBKAC Jul 22 13:11:48 It may be an opkg problem Jul 22 13:11:50 I have no idea :-) Jul 22 13:12:25 it may be fate :P Jul 22 13:12:56 doing "opkg install -force-reinstall frameworkd ophonekitd" Jul 22 13:13:05 Ainulindale: I am leaning towards an opkg problem. I had all sorts of issues with my upgrade and had to re-install loads of packages in the end I just reflashed and everything is back to being wonderful Jul 22 13:13:18 that's weird :-/ Jul 22 13:13:24 yep :( Jul 22 13:14:19 by the way does SHR now automatically sort out the phonegui.conf stuff where you used to have to put your country prefix now? Jul 22 13:14:43 as I have lost the file but it seems to be working already Jul 22 13:15:08 no it doesn't Jul 22 13:15:29 oh :/ I better look for it then :) Jul 22 13:17:00 ah found it :) /etc/phone-utils.conf Jul 22 13:18:50 nope Jul 22 13:18:57 should be /etc/libframe* Jul 22 13:19:09 Except if someone changed it Jul 22 13:19:34 (which I think Tasn did) Jul 22 13:25:35 Ainulindale: still no success, ill reinstall shr, and try to re-update Jul 22 13:28:42 Mortak: that's mightily weird anyway Jul 22 13:29:23 Ainulindale: :) Jul 22 13:31:36 Ainulindale: btw, the french word for "old" - isn't that differently spelled for men compared to women? (Le/la) Jul 22 13:31:44 hmm, f4t, that 'latest' 0.22 ipk is gitr1578, the one i fetched is gitr1591, so which one do you think i should go for? Jul 22 13:32:26 and how do i tell opkg to downgrade from my 0.30 to the 0.22 in the repo? :) Jul 22 13:32:41 omfg.... holtman just updated the whole thing to 0.31 Jul 22 13:32:56 lol, sec im going over the changes Jul 22 13:33:00 http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/connman/connman.git;a=summary Jul 22 13:35:38 ceda_wrk: vieux/vieille Jul 22 13:35:46 (vieux being old for a man) Jul 22 13:35:50 Why is that? Jul 22 13:36:22 it's the same with New in swedish (which is why I want two strings to translate) Jul 22 13:36:43 I can relate to that :-) Jul 22 13:36:48 it's one word that I remember from my french classes :) Jul 22 13:36:54 I'd have put the verb for "Create" :-) Jul 22 13:37:06 Just to avoid that :-p Jul 22 13:37:18 oh :P Jul 22 13:37:54 you can't simply use New_SMS and New_Contact and let translator leave the _PART out? Jul 22 13:38:23 (including the english/C translation) Jul 22 13:38:28 (vieux/vieille) makes much sense, since men age differently :D Jul 22 13:38:31 Jul 22 13:38:52 :-) Jul 22 13:39:21 mickey|cafe: true true :) Jul 22 13:39:26 * mrmoku always thought men ripe and women get older... Jul 22 13:39:33 hehe Jul 22 13:39:37 mrmoku: righto Jul 22 13:40:43 Well my girl would surely disagree THEN spank me for that Jul 22 13:40:47 hehe Jul 22 13:40:50 mine as well Jul 22 13:40:52 _if_ she'd read that Jul 22 13:40:56 me whistles innocently Jul 22 13:40:57 but look Jul 22 13:41:07 * Ainulindale hastily writes a mail Jul 22 13:41:09 it's Brigitte Bardot vs. Sean Connery Jul 22 13:41:11 :D Jul 22 13:41:24 misslauer@vanilla-media.De ? :-p Jul 22 13:41:28 hahaha Jul 22 13:41:29 mickey|cafe: that's why you're sitting in a cafe and not at home? ;) Jul 22 13:41:33 it's sabine@vanille.de Jul 22 13:41:41 but i'm admin for that account ;) Jul 22 13:41:44 well she told him to sort out his room Jul 22 13:41:48 so he fled Jul 22 13:41:58 Wonka: never got around to buying a nice Latte Machiatto machine Jul 22 13:42:04 heh Jul 22 13:42:05 Yuk Jul 22 13:42:07 Latte Machiatto Jul 22 13:42:11 Ristretto only! Jul 22 13:42:21 can't wait to taste one of your coffees! Jul 22 13:42:23 next week Jul 22 13:42:24 i don't like no coffee Jul 22 13:42:32 (although I did a latte macchiatto for my girl this morning) Jul 22 13:42:36 (if it is what I think it is) Jul 22 13:42:38 Ainulindale: I got segmentation fault when I changed to sv_SE from en_US in Dialer Jul 22 13:43:04 Error Signal Information: shr-dialer -s was interrupted by a Segmentation Fault. Jul 22 13:43:05 don't change that... the dialer is swedish only Jul 22 13:43:07 did you install the locale for libframeworkd-phonegui-efl? Jul 22 13:43:09 * mickey|cafe chuckles Jul 22 13:43:28 double check Jul 22 13:43:32 ing Jul 22 13:44:02 ok mickey|cafe I know how to make that Jul 22 13:44:07 goood :) Jul 22 13:44:09 I'll train tonight :-) Jul 22 13:44:13 My milk foam is quite good Jul 22 13:44:15 I have MAD SKILZZ! Jul 22 13:44:18 that's the secret :D Jul 22 13:44:34 usually for my girl it's Jul 22 13:44:44 first espresso, then milk, then foam, then whipped cream Jul 22 13:44:50 sparkle that with cocoa Jul 22 13:44:55 and you're done Jul 22 13:45:11 reinstalling just to be sure nothing got screwed up when I got all those "can't fork" errors Jul 22 13:45:28 ceda_wrk: when or if you have that Jul 22 13:45:33 just stop framework & X Jul 22 13:45:38 and relaunch them afterwards Jul 22 13:45:41 that's what I do Jul 22 13:45:57 yes. Had to do that now to reinstall libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 as well Jul 22 13:46:22 sheesh opkg is annoying Jul 22 13:46:44 I saw some swedish words in e settings (wrench), so the switch was in effect at least :) Jul 22 13:48:25 Ainulindale: help me feel less stupid: any other package than libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0? Jul 22 13:48:42 what for? Jul 22 13:48:53 to get swedish going Jul 22 13:49:01 a -sv package too? Jul 22 13:49:52 yep Jul 22 13:49:58 let me look Jul 22 13:52:36 ceda_wrk: (ambiguity of C-locale strings) that's why I always suggest to have rather technical genuine tests in sourcecode (C locale), and even "translate" to English Jul 22 13:53:09 s/tests/texts/ Jul 22 13:53:10 DocScrutinizer meant: ceda_wrk: (ambiguity of C-locale strings) that's why I always suggest to have rather technical genuine texts in sourcecode (C locale), and even "translate" to English Jul 22 13:53:24 yo DocScrutinizer Jul 22 13:53:28 DocScrutinizer: how's life? Jul 22 13:54:19 feel like I flew whatever closed facility (mental care, prison, whatever) ;-) Jul 22 13:54:33 DocScrutinizer: sounds good. The word "test" needs to be translated - as a noun or verb? Can't tell without running the program and hoping you get into that state when it shows in the GUI Jul 22 13:55:06 ceda_wrk: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-locale-sv Jul 22 13:55:08 it's not very fast to get to the point when you get "Your storage is full. Please remove messages (SMS) to be able to receive new ones." for instance Jul 22 13:55:30 Ainulindale: Ah, without the zero :P Jul 22 13:55:34 ceda_wrk: exactly. I run into that multiple times when doing the twinkle ->de_DE Jul 22 13:56:40 but it's great to actually be able to HAVE it translated in the first place. :) Jul 22 13:57:02 ceda_wrk: also there's another catch you easily avoid this way: change source code strings, e.g. to fix a spelling. You run into *lots* of trouble with all existing translations on this Jul 22 13:57:28 Damn ceda_wrk Jul 22 13:57:31 The package isn't there Jul 22 13:57:41 I did something wrong it seems Jul 22 13:57:47 Wait until I'm done Jul 22 13:57:51 Ainulindale: I'm purely guessing here, but I just saw that the status bar reads "No Service". I guess that's why it segfaults? Jul 22 13:58:04 Ainulindale: sure Jul 22 13:58:18 ceda_wrk: yeah that's because of that Jul 22 13:59:30 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr * rd39cea7ab6be 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/configure.ac: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: Fixed commiter's forgetfullness regarding po files Jul 22 14:00:18 Regenerating it :-) Jul 22 14:03:22 :) Jul 22 14:08:24 ceda_wrk: opkg update && opkg install libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-locale-sv Jul 22 14:08:35 in ten seconds Jul 22 14:08:38 ah now Jul 22 14:15:36 ceda_wrk: so? Jul 22 14:15:50 ceda_wrk: if you want to be able to commit it yourself I can give you access :-) Jul 22 14:15:59 (I already commited it, but in the future...) Jul 22 14:19:10 Ainulindale: sure. By the looks of it, I'd be able to actually use my openmoko for work and life by now. :) Jul 22 14:19:29 ... which means I'll be motivated to spend time on getting it all in swedish too Jul 22 14:19:41 :) Jul 22 14:21:30 halfway through shr-settings Jul 22 14:22:54 * mickey|cafe_ wanders home Jul 22 14:26:18 ceda_wrk: good! :-) Jul 22 14:26:20 Ainulindale: working on it. Got random download errors because at times it chose wifi which isn't correctly setup (apparently) Jul 22 14:26:23 ceda_wrk: well send me your key Jul 22 14:26:32 (public key) Jul 22 14:26:36 for the git access :-) Jul 22 14:26:40 Ainulindale: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9B1E4234 Jul 22 14:26:53 or do you want me to send it some other way? Jul 22 14:27:18 public dsa key (ssh) Jul 22 14:27:24 aha Jul 22 14:27:28 :-) Jul 22 14:27:29 was thinking signing Jul 22 14:27:37 Nah :-) Jul 22 14:27:44 and just send it to my nick at gmail Jul 22 15:06:36 ceda_wrk: key uploaded. Jul 22 15:06:43 You have access to shr and shr-settings Jul 22 15:06:46 Do you know how to use git? Jul 22 15:25:19 f4t: was there any feedback for people that it works out of the box? for instance, people who used the images? Jul 22 15:32:18 Meomer: yep works for me Jul 22 15:41:55 Ainulindale: I've used git for two hours so I can't say I'm used to it but getting the hang of it Jul 22 15:42:29 ceda_wrk: gitk and git gui ... could not live without them :) Jul 22 15:42:51 I'll look at how you guys normally comment your commits Jul 22 15:43:35 mrmoku: will look at those Jul 22 15:44:22 mrmoku: thanks for fixing whatever was broken, I have finally got a full build with no local patches/fixes/hacks! :-D Jul 22 15:44:25 * mwester dances for joy Jul 22 15:44:52 * mwester will have a new image on his FR for his next trip Jul 22 15:45:29 * mrmoku joins the dance ... just because mwester is happy again :) Jul 22 15:47:18 wish i could too :) Jul 22 15:47:22 * ceda_wrk would've danced yesterday (folkish) but someone had to hold our baby daughter, so I did that and grabbed the piano chair and "jamed" with the musicians instead. :) Jul 22 15:48:07 and wifi has no problems for you guys? :) Jul 22 15:48:21 mrmoku: hallo Jul 22 15:48:55 mrmoku: thanks for having added the last obm recipe to the shr feed. I was wondering when will it be built and available via opkg update? Jul 22 15:48:59 wifi works fine here until I suspend then I can't get mokonnect to see any APs, but not had chance to debug it properly today Jul 22 15:49:20 onen|openBmap: uhhh... forgot to build it :( Jul 22 15:49:22 moment Jul 22 15:49:36 mrmoku: I use neither gitk nor git gui :-p Jul 22 15:49:44 (that's why I usually commit in rows) Jul 22 15:50:09 onen|openBmap: well I've been told that obm is a crappy software anyways Jul 22 15:50:17 So I won't bet on it hitting the feed soon Jul 22 15:51:06 Ainulindale: aaaah, nice to have you back :-P Jul 22 15:51:07 Ainulindale: you should try them out Jul 22 15:51:18 gitk to view the history Jul 22 15:51:21 and git gui to commit Jul 22 15:51:35 I know mrmoku Jul 22 15:51:36 I should Jul 22 15:51:40 But I usually work remotely Jul 22 15:51:50 Ainulindale: mrmoku: with om2009 and paroli future uncertain, people will come more to shr. good for you :-) Jul 22 15:51:51 (with no X) Jul 22 15:51:59 well it's sad onen|openBmap Jul 22 15:52:07 paroli is necessary even if I don't like it :-) Jul 22 15:52:23 Ainulindale: I think there is a git ncurse UI... Jul 22 15:52:31 hmmm Jul 22 15:52:33 don't tempt me Jul 22 15:52:51 Ainulindale: paroli seems to be very nice. of course it is sad if it does not keep being developped Jul 22 15:53:11 Ainulindale: but why do you say paroli is necessary? Jul 22 15:53:14 called tig Jul 22 15:53:27 Because if there is no "friendly challenge" Jul 22 15:53:30 or no competition Jul 22 15:53:36 then it's hard to innovate Jul 22 15:53:45 But anyway as I'll work on two distros at the same time Jul 22 15:53:47 I think it'll be fun =) Jul 22 15:54:13 yeah, we will sit down and do nothing... because people are forced to use our crap anyway ;) Jul 22 15:54:29 Hi. Is there a terminal suitable for the FreeRunner, that automatically pops up Illume’s keyboard? Jul 22 15:54:31 mrmoku: I had to stop my upgrade yesterday. I keep going right now. I let you know the outcome Jul 22 15:54:41 ok Jul 22 15:55:09 Ainulindale: what is the second? Jul 22 15:56:17 onen|openBmap: H:1 Jul 22 15:56:27 nomeata: vala-terminal Jul 22 15:56:34 nomeata: with the right plugin for the keyboard it does Jul 22 15:56:46 nomeata: there's a simple plugin deployed on SHR to automatically popup keyboard on text input Jul 22 15:56:58 I think dos1 or tasn deployed that Jul 22 15:57:49 and it is in the lite image even Jul 22 15:58:06 * nomeata looks at that for Debian then. Jul 22 15:58:45 * onen|openBmap is happy because openBmap is not in Debian feed :-) Jul 22 15:58:49 heh :-) Jul 22 15:59:13 oops Jul 22 15:59:15 Ainulindale: sorry Jul 22 15:59:20 openbmap hit our feed ;) Jul 22 15:59:30 Ainulindale: do you have some plans to tell us about H:1? Will you switch the gsm/gps part? (to fso?) Jul 22 16:00:05 mrmoku: neat. will check if everything works as expected :-) Jul 22 16:00:19 mrmoku: after the upgrade, I guess I need to reboot my FR, right? Jul 22 16:00:55 yep Jul 22 16:02:08 onen|openBmap: gsm will go to FSO and gps I don't know yet but I hope Jul 22 16:03:43 Ainulindale: fyi, after reinstalling shr everything is fine now Jul 22 16:03:47 :) Jul 22 16:03:51 Mortak: good! glad for you Jul 22 16:03:58 Now I don't want you to fiddle with it again :-) Jul 22 16:04:10 :) hehe Jul 22 16:04:26 hmm, so iwlist can scan for aps, but mokonnect/connman think the device is disabled Jul 22 16:06:37 Ainulindale: great news! so as obm is in debian, and use fso, it will be available under H:1 Jul 22 16:08:38 hmpf. "make dist" does not work in the vala-terminal Jul 22 16:08:57 nomeata: IIRC it uses autotools Jul 22 16:09:22 And yes it does Jul 22 16:10:21 Ainulindale: make: *** No rule to make target `src/terminal.c', needed by `distdir'. Stop. Jul 22 16:10:54 Ainulindale: is there a better way to create a clean tarball? Jul 22 16:11:40 errr Jul 22 16:11:46 mickeyl: you have a customer Jul 22 16:11:58 Sorry I have no time to check nomeata :-) Jul 22 16:12:31 np Jul 22 16:16:41 I just found time, let me check Jul 22 16:21:24 nomeata: ah Jul 22 16:21:31 I know Jul 22 16:21:40 make and then make dist Jul 22 16:21:58 (although it lacks .h) Jul 22 16:31:24 Ainulindale: illume can listen to matchbox keyboard signals, so installing matchbox-keyboard-im (library for gtk to emit that signals) was enough to make GTK+ apps popping up illume keyboard Jul 22 16:31:42 ok tell that to nomeata :-) Jul 22 16:33:09 nomeata: i'm telling you that Jul 22 16:33:12 :D Jul 22 16:34:34 ahhh, finally dinner :) Jul 22 16:34:36 bbiab Jul 22 16:37:01 dos1: thx. I was just told by zecke on another channel :-) Jul 22 16:52:21 pong? Jul 22 16:56:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * rfd44042538b2 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): vala-terminal: add Makefile.in.in; fix make dist Jul 22 16:56:19 nomeata: ^^^ Jul 22 16:57:27 mickeyl: :-) I also sent a patch Jul 22 16:57:48 mickeyl: not sure why it’s not yet on smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org Jul 22 16:59:11 mickeyl: hmm, not sure what your patch does, mine marks vala_terminal_SOURCES as nodist (as these files are genrated), and add them to clean Jul 22 17:02:44 f4t: i tried to find out if there's anything else interfering with wpa_supplicant but couldn't find anything Jul 22 17:03:16 Meomer, that wierd, mrmoku says it worked for him ootb Jul 22 17:03:26 what not workin currently? (after a reboot) Jul 22 17:03:35 (with connman from shr repo) Jul 22 17:04:09 i'm still on 0.31, i'm gonna get the one from the repo i suppose, maybe the build is not right Jul 22 17:04:23 could be.. Jul 22 17:04:41 nomeata: your patch is wrong :) Jul 22 17:04:55 i also replied via E-Mail Jul 22 17:05:23 mickeyl: oh. it works fine here ;-) Jul 22 17:05:25 * nomeata looks for mail Jul 22 17:05:28 well Jul 22 17:05:30 sure it works Jul 22 17:05:36 but it's wrong since we do want to ship Vala files Jul 22 17:05:38 errr Jul 22 17:05:39 C files Jul 22 17:06:05 I thought my patch makes it ship vala files, and no .c files Jul 22 17:06:19 yes Jul 22 17:06:25 ah, parser error Jul 22 17:06:27 :) Jul 22 17:06:39 but why? Aren’t the vala files the real sources? Jul 22 17:06:50 they are Jul 22 17:06:59 however it's kind of policy unless Vala is in development so much Jul 22 17:07:09 when Vala goes 1.0 we stop shipping C files Jul 22 17:07:20 since by then all distros have Vala and we have a syntax standard Jul 22 17:07:31 s/unless/while/ Jul 22 17:07:59 for FSO it's very important, since we even use our own experimental Vala version Jul 22 17:08:03 hmm, ok. When I package the next snapshop I’ll use your style tarball (already started with mine, it compiles fine on Debian unstable). Just make sure the .vala files are still included, so that we don’t break your license :-) Jul 22 17:08:09 (cause we help Vala development) Jul 22 17:08:20 (.vala) of course Jul 22 17:08:44 ok, makes sense, though probably no problem for the case of vala-terminal, right? Jul 22 17:09:03 no Jul 22 17:09:05 anyways, i fixed it Jul 22 17:09:09 upstream Jul 22 17:11:00 yes, thx Jul 22 17:11:44 for the records Jul 22 17:12:00 the problem was that previous vala versions generated a .h and a .c for every Vala file Jul 22 17:12:07 recent vala versions only generate .c files Jul 22 17:12:22 so the .h files were not getting generated, but listed as sources Jul 22 17:13:56 mickeyl: allright, I’ll know if I’ll hit it again Jul 22 17:15:45 *nod* Jul 22 17:22:24 Is there an enlightenment shelf gadged to rotate the screen? Or is there another smart solution for people using e17? Jul 22 17:24:38 nomeata: search for tapuntap Jul 22 17:28:12 mickeyl: anyways, vala-terminal is packaged and uploaded for inclusion in Debian unstable, and until that happens, available from the pkg-fso debian repository Jul 22 17:28:51 nomeata: great. thanks for packaging! Jul 22 17:29:15 btw., I'll move more and more components to tarballs eventually Jul 22 17:29:18 that should suit all packagers Jul 22 17:29:35 as things stabilize we no longer need to build random git versions Jul 22 17:31:26 mickeyl: yes, that would be great. Is there an central place where I should look for tarballs when packaging something, and to point watch files to? Jul 22 17:32:52 mickeyl: did you see freesmartphone #450 Jul 22 17:32:53 ? Jul 22 17:32:56 it's kinda critical ;) Jul 22 17:38:28 What happened with number prefixes? Update want remove '[local]' settings Jul 22 17:39:54 Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/frameworkd_0.9.5.9+gitr1537+29e5316c13768dff8a94b879e8f30c7baebef0cc-r0_armv4t.ipk Jul 22 17:39:54 opkg: fork failed Jul 22 17:39:54 Segmentation fault Jul 22 17:39:58 oops Jul 22 17:40:22 max_posedon: are you talking about phonegui.corf? Jul 22 17:40:40 conf* Jul 22 17:40:46 about /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf, yes Jul 22 17:40:51 if so, that's because we moved to Jul 22 17:41:07 /etc/phone-utils.conf Jul 22 17:41:12 another lib that does just that Jul 22 17:41:25 more correctly than phonegui Jul 22 17:41:29 ah, ok. Jul 22 17:41:41 yeah, sorry about the mix up ;) Jul 22 17:42:05 np, I trust developers more then users. Jul 22 17:42:41 lol, what does that have to do with anything? :) Jul 22 17:43:38 heyho Jul 22 17:43:54 i'm getting lots of "opkg: fork failed" on shr opkg upgrade. what gives? Jul 22 17:44:09 morphis: hallo Jul 22 17:44:15 nomeata: http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ Jul 22 17:44:17 tim_abell, add swap Jul 22 17:44:21 tim_abell: yes. me too Jul 22 17:44:33 uh, how? Jul 22 17:44:34 tim_abell: i upgrade package per package Jul 22 17:44:51 tasn-hates-isp: yep, seen it. will check, thanks. Jul 22 17:44:59 mickeyl: np, thank you :) Jul 22 17:45:05 it's just very weird ;) Jul 22 17:45:14 and blocks up from closing a bug on our trac ;) Jul 22 17:46:42 ah ha. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2271 Jul 22 17:48:47 Hmm, plain vala-terminal does not make the keyboard pop up. I guess I really need the matchbox-keyboard-im for that. Jul 22 17:51:14 mickeyl: which vala version I need to compile libfso-glib? Jul 22 17:52:34 maybe the branch 'async-fixes' from vala. Jul 22 17:52:43 s/vala./vala-lang.git?/ Jul 22 17:52:44 morphis meant: maybe the branch 'async-fixes' from vala-lang.git? Jul 22 17:53:26 * nomeata has to raise the default font size for vala-terminal in Debian, it seems... Jul 22 17:53:45 morphis: the recommended branch is pending-upstream-move Jul 22 17:53:58 this is a combined branch with all fixes and enhancements Jul 22 17:54:11 mickeyl: ah ok, thanks Jul 22 17:54:18 nomeata: only if you submit the wrong DPI value to X Jul 22 17:54:32 nomeata: with the correct DPI value, 5pt is quite readable Jul 22 17:55:03 nomeata: as for the keyboard popup, i need to work on that. feel free to create a ticket to remind me :) Jul 22 17:55:06 default font size of vala-terminal is too big for me in SHR Jul 22 17:55:20 mickeyl: keyboard popup works with matchbox-keyboard-im Jul 22 17:55:20 dos1: same here Jul 22 17:55:27 hmm, what could prevent me from being able to disable the wifi in the settings? Jul 22 17:55:28 mickeyl: doesn’t it just work when matchbox-keyboard-im runs? Jul 22 17:55:32 dos1: though it's pretty annoying with pidgin ;\ Jul 22 17:55:33 oh, matchbox Jul 22 17:55:37 sorry, no idea about that one Jul 22 17:55:42 yes Jul 22 17:55:50 i always have to click zoom out icon two times to have acceptable font size :P Jul 22 17:55:51 It’s just the -im, not necessary the -keyboard Jul 22 17:55:55 mickeyl: no, no matchbox keyboard Jul 22 17:55:55 *nod* Jul 22 17:56:04 mickeyl: that's just library for GTK+ Jul 22 17:56:22 mickeyl: which makes it talking with matchbox protocol, which is supported by illume Jul 22 17:58:09 great, now libfso-glib compiles fine :) Jul 22 17:58:27 morphis: : Jul 22 17:58:37 mickeyl: given that vala-terminal might be used on other devices on debian, 5pt is too low. Most DebianOnFreeRunner users set a wrong dpy value anyways, as it seems to make the greatest number of applications behave. Jul 22 17:58:56 nomeata: *nod* Jul 22 17:59:05 vala-terminal is a great success, it's also used on the Palm Pre Jul 22 17:59:22 mickeyl: by palm? Jul 22 17:59:25 if yes Jul 22 17:59:29 yes Jul 22 17:59:31 congrats Jul 22 17:59:34 thanks Jul 22 18:00:08 speaking of that... Jul 22 18:00:09 mickeyl: have they wrapped around a js ui or how do they use it? Jul 22 18:00:14 * mickeyl can't wait for the GSM version Jul 22 18:00:24 bumbl: no idea actually, this is what someone reported to me. i didn't check Jul 22 18:00:54 i'd think it's hidden for the standard user Jul 22 18:01:04 probably using gtkdirectfb or so Jul 22 18:01:05 *shrug* Jul 22 18:05:43 mickeyl: do you know if palm uses the fb directly or running on top of X11? Jul 22 18:05:52 directfb Jul 22 18:06:10 (not direct fb, note the missing space ;) Jul 22 18:07:01 :) Jul 22 18:07:17 I know about directfb without the space :) Jul 22 18:08:18 I'd say lets start X on another VT and forget about it ;) Jul 22 18:08:40 hehe Jul 22 18:09:20 the best thing I heard about the pre in the last time is that they are using lvm Jul 22 18:09:25 great decision Jul 22 18:10:05 logical volume manager? Jul 22 18:10:09 jap Jul 22 18:10:23 how's that beneficial on a mobile device? Jul 22 18:10:36 don't know Jul 22 18:10:56 but it makes it very easy for us the store another rootfs on the phones nand Jul 22 18:11:18 mickeyl: just look here: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/palm_pre/ Jul 22 18:12:04 so I have to leave Jul 22 18:12:06 bye Jul 22 18:25:57 f4t: have you got any more ideas, i'm about to give up and just flash yesterday's build Jul 22 18:26:48 see if that helps Jul 22 18:36:19 mrmoku: ping Jul 22 18:37:17 BluesLee, pong Jul 22 18:37:19 where can i get this "sortdesktop" app? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/de1132b48985a8a438d3431b2317295e.png Jul 22 18:37:41 no idea Jul 22 18:37:50 BluesLee: that's not app Jul 22 18:37:53 BluesLee: that's illume Jul 22 18:38:07 okay, who did it Jul 22 18:38:20 BluesLee: you have it already ;P Jul 22 18:38:22 right mouse click on icon in illume launcher Jul 22 18:38:33 (use vnc or literki) Jul 22 18:38:50 and how do i activate right mouse click? Jul 22 18:39:02 BluesLee: as i said, with vnc or literki Jul 22 18:39:21 one mo, will install the latter# Jul 22 18:40:27 BluesLee: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/806125348c6ae731005964dbb341a3be.png - this screenshot is also plain illume Jul 22 18:43:04 hi gang. Question: I ran an upgrade today, and now it seems that half my applications failed to re-install. Dailer and settings (among others) are nowhere to be found. Re-running opkg upgrade does nothing. Jul 22 18:45:28 am I SOL, and should just re-install the image? I'm using shr testing Jul 22 18:46:27 dos1: literki is not in the feed Jul 22 18:47:13 dos1: on opkg.org it fails as libfakekey0 is not available Jul 22 18:50:04 hmm Jul 22 18:50:07 got it# Jul 22 18:51:40 mrmoku: upgrade done Jul 22 18:51:56 mrmoku: reboot -> xserver refuses to start (seems to hang forever) Jul 22 18:53:31 dos1: literki dosnt start at all Jul 22 18:53:33 mrmoku: is current unstable unstable or as stable as it normally is? Jul 22 18:54:39 dos1: has someone implemented ordering + folders to illume itself? nice Jul 22 18:54:41 damn raid Jul 22 18:55:43 hey, cool Jul 22 18:56:32 sr Jul 22 18:56:34 hmpf Jul 22 18:56:41 where is the right mouse click on the literki kbd? Jul 22 18:59:13 BluesLee: read "touchpad on Om" on maillist Jul 22 18:59:26 bumbl: no, it was for ages Jul 22 18:59:41 but it needs right click Jul 22 18:59:52 and on our actual revision segfaults Jul 22 19:00:25 * tasn-hates-isp is bored again ;) Jul 22 19:01:01 brb Jul 22 19:02:07 bumbl, testing stable :P Jul 22 19:02:16 onen|openBmap, hmm... any log? Jul 22 19:08:51 mrmoku: I have tried to restart xserver manually. no success Jul 22 19:09:18 mrmoku: I am looking for the x server logs, but it seems they are located at some different place than on my desktop Jul 22 19:13:49 mrmoku: ok I feel stupid, but where are the logs located? Jul 22 19:16:01 onen|openBmap, /tmp/x.log Jul 22 19:17:52 mrmoku: weird place, what is /var/log for :p Jul 22 19:17:57 mrmoku: ok I have a look Jul 22 19:19:54 onen|openBmap: maybe ;D Jul 22 19:21:08 dos1: touchpad doesnt work properly, it crashed and all of x too Jul 22 19:21:17 dos1: so let me sum it up: s/tty us0/tty usb1/, rename ogsmd -> oumtsd, run both together (dbus names renamed too) Jul 22 19:21:24 it works here Jul 22 19:21:44 dos1: then you would need an obm logger able to handle both dbus services Jul 22 19:21:49 dos1: is that correct? Jul 22 19:21:50 onen|openBmap: s/ttyUSB2/ttyUSB1/, but that's with my modem Jul 22 19:22:01 onen|openBmap: yep, looks like ;) Jul 22 19:22:11 dos1: for me it was getting slower when using the mouse, i tried a right click on a folde Jul 22 19:22:28 yep, it's slow Jul 22 19:22:34 dos1: buying a 3g key could turn out to be much cheaper than a new FR :P Jul 22 19:22:41 dos1: cannot ssh to freerunner qnymore Jul 22 19:22:42 cause that mouse pointer is X window Jul 22 19:23:25 dos1: i only need it to setup the desktop icons, afterwards i will forget about it, maybe scummvm?! Jul 22 19:24:10 mrmoku: /usr/bin/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/enlightenment_start.oe, the latter script is missing Jul 22 19:24:17 mrmoku: found in e-wm package Jul 22 19:24:24 mrmoku I currently try installing it Jul 22 19:26:46 mrmoku: Package e-wm (0.16.999.050+svnr41040-r5.4) installed in root is up to date. Jul 22 19:26:55 mrmoku: I try force reinstall Jul 22 19:35:31 mrmoku: reinstalled, now: EDJE ERROR: file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume-shr.edj, group e/modules/kbd/base/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ??? Jul 22 19:35:43 hmm, what is the usual cause for usb-eth connection not coming up Jul 22 19:35:51 onen|openBmap, that one is harmless Jul 22 19:35:59 mrmoku: provided by e-wm-theme-illume-shr. resintalled (force reinstall), x server starts :-) Jul 22 19:35:59 onen|openBmap: i upgraded openBmap and i get errors Jul 22 19:36:16 Zorkman: nooooooooooooooooooooo damn it Jul 22 19:36:32 Zorkman: I try too, right now that I have x server up again. Jul 22 19:36:41 onen|openBmap: http://pastebin.com/m7effd494 Jul 22 19:37:09 mrmoku: correct, error is still here. but this time x server started :-S Jul 22 19:37:57 :) Jul 22 19:39:05 Zorkman: me too. it complains: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ogpsd was not provided by any .service files Jul 22 19:39:20 Zorkman: mdbus -s => no ogpsd, no ogsmd !!! Jul 22 19:39:21 mmmh hello... on latest shr unstabe I'm not able to get a fix nor list satellite signals on settings page Jul 22 19:39:36 can u try please? Jul 22 19:40:06 Zorkman: in your case, try turning gsm on ;-) Jul 22 19:40:12 I get only timestamp from satellites Jul 22 19:40:16 dos1: can you click on folders? Jul 22 19:40:46 mrmoku: heeeeeeeelp!!! Jul 22 19:41:24 BluesLee: no, it segfaults Jul 22 19:41:38 onen|openBmap: my gsm is on... Jul 22 19:41:40 will double check Jul 22 19:41:50 onen|openBmap, hmm Jul 22 19:42:23 onen|openBmap: o, it seems a shr problem... illume tells me gsm is on, but can't make phonecalls Jul 22 19:42:25 i'll reboot Jul 22 19:42:29 Zorkman: the exception says your ressource is not enabled... Jul 22 19:42:45 Zorkman, better wait a bit longer :P Jul 22 19:42:50 can you open messages/contacts? Jul 22 19:43:03 oh pants. "opkg: error while loading shared libraries: libopkg.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Jul 22 19:43:09 mrmoku: I have no ogsmd neither ogpsd running! Jul 22 19:43:13 mrmoku, btw, what about adding samba to repos? Jul 22 19:43:58 todays shr upgrade is a disaster for me Jul 22 19:43:59 max_posedon, client or server? Jul 22 19:44:30 I mainly interested in server, but think both should be present Jul 22 19:44:36 anyone with latest shr unstable in pvt with me please? Jul 22 19:45:01 audio/video from network is a nice idea, even if it samba network Jul 22 19:45:32 raster: why it segfaults?;-) Jul 22 19:45:58 looks like opkg is removing packages, instead of upgrading them! Jul 22 19:46:09 three cheers for opkg! Jul 22 19:46:24 opkg is not my friend today Jul 22 19:46:29 bring back apt! Jul 22 19:46:43 there was only one person, who worked on opkg these days Jul 22 19:46:51 TAAAAAAAAAAsnnnnnnnn!!!!! Jul 22 19:47:07 ? Jul 22 19:47:08 did tasn-hates-isp make those improvements to opkg lately Jul 22 19:47:10 mrmoku: I have no /usr/bin/frameworkd ! => force reinstall Jul 22 19:47:20 Zorkman: no Jul 22 19:47:22 I made others Jul 22 19:47:24 tasn-hates-isp: i hope you didn't broke opkg Jul 22 19:47:29 :P Jul 22 19:47:30 dos1: I didn't. Jul 22 19:47:34 I don't think I did :) Jul 22 19:47:40 as it still works here :) Jul 22 19:47:51 tasn-hates-isp: well, seems like upgrading is very faulty Jul 22 19:47:55 i think mine just ran out of memory half way through and destroyed itself Jul 22 19:47:56 furthermore, I only changed config files handling. Jul 22 19:48:05 dos1: wasn't it always? Jul 22 19:48:15 it's been at least two weeks since my last update Jul 22 19:48:20 dos1: anyhow, my patch was a feature, if there's a doubt revert it Jul 22 19:48:35 tasn-hates-isp: but not with removing files! ;x Jul 22 19:48:41 onen|openBmap: i rebooted and now it works Jul 22 19:48:59 dos1: as I said, I didn't touch those parts ;) Jul 22 19:49:10 Zorkman: I force reinstall frameworkd and now I have the same error as you Jul 22 19:49:11 did you just become accidental opkg maintainer tasn-hates-isp? i saw an article about that kind of thing once. most amusing Jul 22 19:49:20 tim_abell: heck no. Jul 22 19:49:34 I'm not responsible/want to be responsible for that horrible code :) Jul 22 19:49:36 lol Jul 22 19:49:42 onen|openBmap: have you rebooted? Jul 22 19:49:55 although I must admit Jul 22 19:49:58 mrmoku: dos1: tasn-hates-isp: it seems to me that my system considers packets installed, but files are missing here and there :-S Jul 22 19:49:59 I have another patch in mind :) Jul 22 19:50:25 onen|openBmap: that's plain odd. Jul 22 19:51:04 tasn-hates-isp: indeed. had to force reinstall e-wm and frameworkd to have the bin files to run x server and frameworkd Jul 22 19:51:47 onen|openBmap: do you have ophonekitd ? :P Jul 22 19:51:52 tasn-hates-isp: it is worth than if packets were missing, they are installed, but files are missing! Jul 22 19:52:04 onen|openBmap: hm... ;\ Jul 22 19:52:11 dos1: isn't it the old gsm system from first distribution? Jul 22 19:52:22 onen|openBmap: you got an image without those? Jul 22 19:52:25 onen|openBmap: no... it was gsmd and phone-kit Jul 22 19:52:26 tasn-hates-isp: I meant worse, not worth Jul 22 19:52:34 or did opkg upgrade break it? Jul 22 19:52:44 tasn-hates-isp: no, I had an unstable installed, and did opkg upgrade through ssh Jul 22 19:52:50 onen|openBmap: ophonekitd is GSM gui in SHR Jul 22 19:52:54 i c. Jul 22 19:53:10 yay, now i can't boot Jul 22 19:53:14 reflash time. sigh Jul 22 19:53:17 * onen|openBmap rebooting shr, and crosses his fingers Jul 22 19:54:28 lol. Jul 22 19:54:39 dos1: I think that if theres' a doubt we should revert. Jul 22 19:54:43 can u do this test? open shr unstable settings and see if you can get the satellites list Jul 22 19:54:52 as I haven't properly tested this fix (and I also stated that here) Jul 22 19:55:01 I did nothing more than using it ;) Jul 22 19:55:06 no stress tests at all. Jul 22 19:55:21 though I must admit Jul 22 19:55:29 I don't see how this can be related. Jul 22 19:55:49 ok dead Jul 22 19:55:58 no gsm, contacts crashes Jul 22 19:56:04 ophonekitd is not running Jul 22 19:56:05 reflash time Jul 22 19:56:09 ps aux | grep ophone Jul 22 19:56:10 ... Jul 22 19:56:22 tasn-hates-isp: I check Jul 22 19:56:47 dos1: btw I saw someone here yesterday that complained abotu the sleep 3 bug even after your fix... weird. Jul 22 19:56:53 tasn-hates-isp: but as said earlier files seem to be missing here and there. so my phone might turn to be unstable only because of this Jul 22 19:57:07 tasn-hates-isp: a reflash would ensure me that it is correctly installed Jul 22 19:57:13 probably Jul 22 19:57:17 though this is still a bitch. Jul 22 19:57:25 oh and btw Jul 22 19:57:46 tasn-hates-isp: ophonekitd is running Jul 22 19:58:05 onen|openBmap: just wait then Jul 22 19:58:10 onen|openBmap: cat /var/log/ophonekitd. Jul 22 19:58:12 log Jul 22 19:58:13 :{ Jul 22 19:58:35 dos1: reverting opkg will break it without some sed work on it's db files. Jul 22 19:58:35 mrmoku: the problem that there is a delay when accepting a call seems to be solved right? Jul 22 19:59:23 really? Jul 22 19:59:47 grmbl dmraid sucks Jul 22 20:00:08 tasn-hates-isp: I don't see a ousaged anymore... Jul 22 20:00:26 onen|openBmap: it got replaced with fsousage Jul 22 20:00:31 ps aux | grep fsousage Jul 22 20:00:59 tasn-hates-isp: great, so if my app is not updated, it won't find this new dbus service? Jul 22 20:01:10 it will Jul 22 20:01:12 same path Jul 22 20:01:16 (dbus path) Jul 22 20:01:22 just implemented in vala Jul 22 20:01:30 it's a transparent change Jul 22 20:01:39 tasn-hates-isp: no fso usage Jul 22 20:01:50 that's your issue then. Jul 22 20:02:03 tasn-hates-isp: ah, I was very surprised to understand sth else. :-) Jul 22 20:02:35 tasn-hates-isp: that's not the kind of things the fso team has been used to do, thus the surprise with my misunderstanding Jul 22 20:03:09 onen|openBmap: it's not surprising as it's transparent to the user and was officialy published many times :) Jul 22 20:03:39 mrmoku: with the version from yesterday i had several successful calls today without a delay Jul 22 20:03:59 mrmoku: at least the delay was much much shorter than before Jul 22 20:04:04 BluesLee: I don't know if I'm just lucky Jul 22 20:04:07 but I don't get any delays Jul 22 20:04:11 tasn-hates-isp: no no, I was surprised because I misundertood it. what you explain is what I was expecting Jul 22 20:04:38 and actually except for one bug to which we had an instant workaround and a fix after a couple of hours i had no bugs :) Jul 22 20:04:43 onen|openBmap: oh, cool :) Jul 22 20:05:37 tasn-hates-isp: still no fsousage :-( Jul 22 20:06:18 onen|openBmap: got any idea whats wrong? Jul 22 20:06:24 I mean misssing files or anything? Jul 22 20:06:29 tasn-hates-isp: Package fsousaged (0.0.0.0+gitr346+92306b51d8760c688a1370636db096ce66120dca-r5.0) is installed on root and has the following files: Jul 22 20:06:35 tasn-hates-isp: empty list :-D Jul 22 20:06:39 lol. Jul 22 20:06:41 onen|openBmap: pastebin Jul 22 20:06:47 tasn-hates-isp: sorry Jul 22 20:06:52 no that's ok Jul 22 20:06:59 it's only a one liner Jul 22 20:07:03 I meant pastebin the following Jul 22 20:07:05 and sec Jul 22 20:07:10 I'll give you a path Jul 22 20:07:57 tasn-hates-isp: but there is not following :-D no file is listed ;-) Jul 22 20:08:03 tasn-hates-isp: -force-reinstall ... Jul 22 20:08:40 cat /usr/lib/opkg/info/fsousaged.list Jul 22 20:08:41 tasn-hates-isp: opkg files fsousaged returns 0 file... ??? Jul 22 20:08:54 please. Jul 22 20:08:58 tasn-hates-isp: empty Jul 22 20:09:19 hm.. now this is definately doesn't seem like a bug from my fix Jul 22 20:09:26 but sec will check to make sure. Jul 22 20:09:47 tasn-hates-isp: you are only happy not to be guilty! but I suffer at the same time ;-) Jul 22 20:09:57 onen|openBmap: not only Jul 22 20:10:01 I mean I'm happy about that Jul 22 20:10:05 though I have to admit Jul 22 20:10:09 tasn-hates-isp: i had that issue since i know shr Jul 22 20:10:15 I care more about if this is a global issue Jul 22 20:10:23 than if it's an issue you suffer from Jul 22 20:10:28 so I'm trying to find the source :) Jul 22 20:10:32 BluesLee: what issue? missing files? Jul 22 20:10:47 tasn-hates-isp: no, delay accepting a call Jul 22 20:10:54 BluesLee: oh. Jul 22 20:12:18 tasn-hates-isp: as said earlier. I had to reinstall some packages. so maybe my system is all broken because of missing files here and there. and you won't be able to figure out now, why they are gone Jul 22 20:12:53 onen|openBmap: they are gone because of an opkg issue Jul 22 20:12:55 or so it seems Jul 22 20:13:06 sec Jul 22 20:13:10 * tim_abell is pleased to not be the only one Jul 22 20:13:12 I'll upgrade my system Jul 22 20:13:23 I hope I won't see this bug as well but who knows ... Jul 22 20:13:45 tasn-hates-isp: becaues opkg upgrade was fork failing and seg faulting I did: Jul 22 20:14:18 tasn-hates-isp: for package in `opkg list_upgradable | awk '{print $1}`; do opkg install "$package";done Jul 22 20:14:39 tasn-hates-isp: and had to make a last opkg upgrade in the end, because some packages failed Jul 22 20:15:28 I'm opkg upgrading my perfect installation Jul 22 20:15:33 I hope this won't break it :) Jul 22 20:15:45 because I relaly liked my phone in the last couple of days :) Jul 22 20:15:56 tasn-hates-isp: is it normal that the fsousaged package has a version of 0.0.0.0 Jul 22 20:16:02 NO. Jul 22 20:16:08 :) Jul 22 20:16:20 looks like a corrupted package Jul 22 20:16:31 consider running your script with Jul 22 20:16:34 * onen|openBmap sight Jul 22 20:16:38 list_installed Jul 22 20:16:42 -force-reinstall Jul 22 20:16:53 though don't forget to use screen as it'll reinstall dropbear Jul 22 20:17:02 tasn-hates-isp: right, it last for hours!!! damn :-( Jul 22 20:17:13 put it running over nigt Jul 22 20:17:48 tasn-hates-isp: you won't have the result of your upgrade any time soon I presume, you will need hours too, right? Jul 22 20:17:59 no Jul 22 20:18:07 I think I'll have results in no time Jul 22 20:18:08 .... Jul 22 20:18:11 why don't you want just add swap? Jul 22 20:18:39 max_posedon: I was not aware of the why segfaulting and fork failing. this is only a matter of swap? Jul 22 20:18:51 onen|openBmap: lack of memory Jul 22 20:18:55 you can also stop X Jul 22 20:18:56 ... Jul 22 20:19:11 onen|openBmap, its matter of lack of memory Jul 22 20:19:25 I prefer enable swap, and set swappness to very small value Jul 22 20:19:29 tasn-hates-isp: max_posedon: I see. I rarely upgrade too. thus I have a lot of packages to upgrade usually Jul 22 20:19:58 max_posedon: but beside the time overhead, my one liner script, would do the trick doesn't it? Jul 22 20:20:28 no it doesn't because alpha order Jul 22 20:20:42 so, some package may require 90% of others Jul 22 20:21:09 e.g. theoretically it might be not work without running it 10-20 times. Jul 22 20:21:34 max_posedon: ah I see. If the third package requires 90% of the others, opkg will try to upgrade all of them at the same time? Jul 22 20:21:40 yes Jul 22 20:22:10 max_posedon: turning x off would be sufficient? Jul 22 20:22:20 may be yes, or/and might be not Jul 22 20:22:35 I prefer 512 Mb swap file and set vm.swappiness = 10 Jul 22 20:22:52 max_posedon: sorry not familiar. so you add a swap partition Jul 22 20:23:10 max_posedon: and what is the value you describe? Jul 22 20:23:20 add swap file to uSD ext3 partition Jul 22 20:23:38 kernel have different algos, when he start swapping Jul 22 20:24:08 if swappiness is big, it will swap sometimes even if it have enough memory Jul 22 20:24:13 max_posedon: so I create a file (touch filenmae) then I add fstab a mount point for that file as a swap? Jul 22 20:24:29 because it may more effective to use memory for caches Jul 22 20:24:55 with small values - swapping done, only if memory is full. Jul 22 20:25:04 onen|openBmap, yes you can do this Jul 22 20:25:29 as for me, I just do swapon /path/file every time before opkg update (once a week) Jul 22 20:25:39 no need for persistant swap. Jul 22 20:26:09 (that value should be added in sysctl.conf, btw) Jul 22 20:26:11 max_posedon: sorry you go too fast for me ;-) could you give me a step by step? Jul 22 20:26:45 create some big file (dd if=/dev/zero; of=/media/card/512M.swap) Jul 22 20:26:57 or any other your way. Jul 22 20:27:08 mkswap /media/card/512M.swap Jul 22 20:27:17 (I use swap file, not swap partition) Jul 22 20:27:29 max_posedon: your command without the ; right? Jul 22 20:27:41 oh, of course, yes, sorry) Jul 22 20:27:54 max_posedon: mkswap seems easier ;-) Jul 22 20:27:56 and dd from coreutils, not from busybox) Jul 22 20:28:11 max_posedon: |-( Jul 22 20:28:20 mkswap can't allocate file as I know Jul 22 20:28:51 max_posedon: I have dd from busy box :-( Jul 22 20:29:16 max_posedon: why not busybox one? Jul 22 20:29:17 you can just do dd if=/dev/zero of=/file, and stop it after 60secs Jul 22 20:29:29 because full command looks like Jul 22 20:29:50 dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/512M.swap bs=1M count=512 Jul 22 20:30:02 and busyboxes dd doesn't support such params Jul 22 20:30:08 there is something wrong with opkg Jul 22 20:30:09 but, you can just wait and stop) Jul 22 20:30:18 max_posedon: ah ok, so if busybox, interrupt after 60 sec Jul 22 20:30:18 BluesLee, yes, yes, you need swap) Jul 22 20:30:25 what the hell Jul 22 20:30:38 it doesnt resolve dependencies anymore Jul 22 20:30:55 the packages are there Jul 22 20:31:25 onen|openBmap, so, when file created, do mkswap Jul 22 20:31:38 after this file will be "ready, but disabled" Jul 22 20:31:59 max_posedon: mkswap /sf/sf/f/sd/fs/my_file.swap Jul 22 20:32:51 max_posedon: 34.6 MB need to let it more time :-( Jul 22 20:33:49 max_posedon: that means I need to let it run more than 10 minutes??? Jul 22 20:34:21 you can monitor file size with ls -la Jul 22 20:34:32 ah!, you microSD mounted in sync mode I think! Jul 22 20:34:36 remount it in async Jul 22 20:35:26 max_posedon: is async Jul 22 20:35:44 hm.. its strange, are you sure that file created on uSD? Jul 22 20:35:58 my card do smth like 1.5Mb/s on write Jul 22 20:37:22 ok, anyway, 128Mb will be enough, so, if you want save time and memory, just stop it after 2-3min Jul 22 20:39:24 max_posedon: 230 MB Jul 22 20:39:36 enough) Jul 22 20:39:46 max_posedon: now mkswap /media/card/my_file.swap Jul 22 20:40:12 max_posedon: ? Jul 22 20:40:16 yes Jul 22 20:41:15 max_posedon: done Jul 22 20:41:26 max_posedon: for what do you use swap? Jul 22 20:41:39 BluesLee, for disabling opkg bugs) Jul 22 20:41:39 max_posedon: only for opkg or? Jul 22 20:41:44 yes, only Jul 22 20:41:45 BluesLee: opkg fork failed and seg faults comes from lack of memeory Jul 22 20:42:05 ok Jul 22 20:42:06 onen|openBmap, so, now, before opkg update, just do swapon /media/card/my_file.swap Jul 22 20:42:11 once a week) Jul 22 20:42:14 max_posedon: that simple? Jul 22 20:42:18 max_posedon: neat Jul 22 20:42:47 or, you can add using swap to fstab, but after set swappines will be important Jul 22 20:42:58 max_posedon: and swapoff once finished. Jul 22 20:43:05 yes, or just reboot Jul 22 20:43:10 max_posedon: ok, will stick to this version, easier Jul 22 20:43:20 you need do reboot or framework restart anyway) Jul 22 20:44:02 max_posedon: I should add this to the om wiki about opkg! Jul 22 20:44:24 as you wish, I thought its a very simple tip Jul 22 20:45:19 max_posedon: I am not familiar with this swap file creation, and opkg was always seg faulting and I found no help on the web Jul 22 20:45:55 you can even write simple script Jul 22 20:46:05 'wrapper for this 3 commands') Jul 22 20:46:08 max_posedon: for package in `opkg list_installed | awk '{print $1}`; do opkg install -force-reinstall "$package";done Jul 22 20:46:08 or alias Jul 22 20:46:16 max_posedon: should now resintall all my system Jul 22 20:47:06 max_posedon: right, maybe wrapping opkg calls to activation of swap, for example Jul 22 20:47:32 max_posedon: my one line script should work, right? Jul 22 20:48:47 I'm not sure Jul 22 20:48:57 for example if some package haven't dep Jul 22 20:49:03 but in new version have Jul 22 20:49:22 sorry, your script will work, but do wrong things Jul 22 20:50:53 max_posedon: you mean, my script will work, but it does a lot of overhead? Jul 22 20:51:35 no, I mean your script will work Jul 22 20:51:40 * tim_abell is excited about discovering ssh-copy-id Jul 22 20:51:44 but don't install important deps sometimes Jul 22 20:51:47 hi mickeyl wants the logs of fso-abyss for my crash,I am supposed to start fso-abyss before fso...how do I do that? just start it but then fso will start it again? Jul 22 20:54:40 max_posedon: sorry I don't understand. It will work, but will not install important deps? so it will not work, and break my system... ? Jul 22 20:55:10 I don't know will it or not Jul 22 20:55:13 but can Jul 22 20:55:34 max_posedon: what other choice do I have? now opkg upgrade does nothing as the system thinks everything is up to date :-( Jul 22 20:56:05 damn raid controller Jul 22 20:56:10 usually I do next things Jul 22 20:56:16 just call myself from skype Jul 22 20:56:24 if it works - I'm lucky Jul 22 20:56:34 e.g. happy) Jul 22 20:56:46 max_posedon: I think it will, I think some packages grabed their dependencies for upgrading Jul 22 20:56:50 onen|openBmap, so, do similar test, and just want next update) Jul 22 20:57:07 yes, I think i was wrong Jul 22 20:57:15 your command is fine Jul 22 20:57:48 max_posedon: I try this night. we will see. Jul 22 20:58:19 btw, e begin use very big fonts for time widget Jul 22 20:58:32 dos1, I think your familar with this Jul 22 20:58:37 max_posedon: big thanks to you for the swap help Jul 22 20:58:42 alarm doesn't fit window! Jul 22 20:58:53 max_posedon: bug raster Jul 22 20:58:54 i'm constantly staggered by how fast things move in the open moko community. I'm just reading newsletter from 7/july, and i'd never heard of half of it before. it's not like i don't pay attention! Jul 22 20:58:57 ;) Jul 22 20:59:03 max_posedon: and the rest. thanks and good night ;-) Jul 22 20:59:22 raster, start Alarm plz! Jul 22 21:00:26 gnight onen|openBmap Jul 22 21:00:38 onen|openBmap, np) Jul 22 21:00:48 tim_abell: try openBmap, it moves fast too :p Jul 22 21:00:59 dos1, btw, may be you know how to disable text under icons on "desktop"? Jul 22 21:01:14 I don't need them, and don't want do "4 px scrolling" Jul 22 21:01:32 ooh, nice Jul 22 21:02:16 max_posedon: hmm... i think you can do that by tweaking edc file Jul 22 21:02:46 tweaking edc is similar to editing config, or some gdb/gcc-like magic? Jul 22 21:03:20 max_posedon: well, it's text file Jul 22 21:03:28 but it's more like ui programming Jul 22 21:03:50 pants, even a clean install of shr-unstable fails to opkg upgrade Jul 22 21:04:18 tim_abell, I can repeat it every minute, you should just add swap Jul 22 21:04:46 yeah, but i'd hoped it was just my image was just too old Jul 22 21:04:50 hey ho Jul 22 21:04:58 dos1, may be you know where find this file, and how to edit it? (and can I do it from neo?) Jul 22 21:06:04 has someone documented this opkg failure issue somewhere? Jul 22 21:06:31 may be onen|openBmap did it) Jul 22 21:06:49 it probably ought to go into at least http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#Known_Issues Jul 22 21:07:57 i'll add a link to http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/531 Jul 22 21:08:01 max_posedon: I did not, but I wrote it in a file, I should Jul 22 21:08:14 tim_abell: better in wiki openmoko opkg page, isn't it? Jul 22 21:08:27 probably in both would be good Jul 22 21:08:30 catch everyone Jul 22 21:08:52 i'm thinking of users (like me) who install shr from fresh and wonder what the hell happened. Jul 22 21:09:02 for these users, the shr page is appropriate Jul 22 21:09:17 others might think of looking for opkg info first Jul 22 21:09:23 I still see fsousaged at a version of 0.0.0.0+gitr346.... is it the same for you? Jul 22 21:11:57 same here, but it works, no reason to worry) Jul 22 21:12:18 oops. or don't ... Jul 22 21:14:53 nope, it works) Jul 22 21:15:42 max_posedon: ok :-) then it is time to one liner script upgrade night Jul 22 21:17:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#opkg_upgrade_.22fork_failed.22 updated Jul 22 21:18:01 God dammit Jul 22 21:18:26 fsm dammit, surely Ainulindale Jul 22 21:18:37 * mwester suspects that he knows why that message appears, and suspects that patches to address it already exist (although they will not automatically apply on the much-newer opkg version used in SHR). Jul 22 21:19:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc6299e2fc43b 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/logger.vala: fsobasics: fix warning in logger Jul 22 21:20:03 tim_abell: Of course Jul 22 21:20:05 Someone should take a look at the opkg_wget_nogpg_* patches in the opkg recipes in OE. Jul 22 21:20:06 max_posedon: file_md5sum_alloc: Failed to open file /usr/share/shr/scenarii/*: No such file or directory\ Jul 22 21:20:13 I'm just angry at RAID stuff Jul 22 21:20:15 :) Jul 22 21:20:33 Apparently I don't know how to be able to detect my RAID array freshly created Jul 22 21:20:39 And that drives me mad Jul 22 21:20:45 max_posedon: but that could be normal, as I said, many files seem to be missing Jul 22 21:20:58 onen|openBmap, its ok, just ignore this Jul 22 21:21:00 * mwester sends Ainulindale the mdadm command. Jul 22 21:21:05 i love open source [repeat through clenched teeth whilst working around today's randomness] Jul 22 21:21:24 mwester: hardware raid here Jul 22 21:21:26 * tim_abell makes another coffee while reflashing Jul 22 21:21:34 Ainulindale: ouch. :( Jul 22 21:21:48 Ainulindale: hopefully a reputable vendor... Jul 22 21:21:51 VIA Jul 22 21:21:59 AHCI compliant and all Jul 22 21:22:06 I just can't make it see the array Jul 22 21:22:07 Didn't know they made RAID. Jul 22 21:22:14 mwester: well VIA EPIA SN Jul 22 21:22:17 VT8251 Jul 22 21:22:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0b4525783317 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/alsa.vala: fsoframework: alsa.vala: remove warning Jul 22 21:22:20 It is supported Jul 22 21:22:26 And it supports RAID 5 nativelyt Jul 22 21:22:27 -t Jul 22 21:22:32 But according to my kernel it doesn't Jul 22 21:22:35 AND THAT DRIVES ME MAD Jul 22 21:22:51 I have a card that claims to do RAID 5 in hardware too; I had so much trouble I now run software RAID 5 on it. Jul 22 21:22:55 SIIG Jul 22 21:23:17 sigh Jul 22 21:25:09 apart from that everything went smoothly Jul 22 21:25:20 it's just raid Jul 22 21:25:28 And I have 4*500G to raidify Jul 22 21:27:08 mwester: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/ProductDetail.jsp?motherboard_id=550 Jul 22 21:27:13 A good piece of hardware Jul 22 21:34:45 itty-bitty Jul 22 21:35:10 fanless? Jul 22 21:37:13 yep Jul 22 21:39:44 Damn Jul 22 21:39:51 It is supposed to work Jul 22 21:39:55 Why can't I make it work! Jul 22 21:40:46 because you aren't using the Windows utility necessary to initialize the RAID? (Like the bad-axe2 Intel MBs I have) Jul 22 21:40:56 I think I'll end up doing it software Jul 22 21:40:59 mwester: nah Jul 22 21:41:03 The chipset IS supported Jul 22 21:41:05 the only bad thing is Jul 22 21:41:14 It's just not declared it handles RAID 5 Jul 22 21:41:25 And I have no freaking idea about how to handle that Jul 22 21:42:01 The chipset I had was also listed as supported; but it seems that what they meant by "supported" was that it would read/write -- you had to dual-boot into Windows to initialize or maintain the RAID devices. Jul 22 21:42:57 I already created the array (through bios) Jul 22 21:42:59 THe problem is Jul 22 21:43:02 It's not detected Jul 22 21:43:22 my kernel can see all the disks Jul 22 21:43:24 but not the array Jul 22 21:44:15 Should the kernel see the disks at all? If it's hardware, the kernel should only see a meta-disk provided by the hardware, no? Jul 22 21:45:29 I agree Jul 22 21:45:34 I disabled all I could Jul 22 21:45:38 No I only have AHCI sata wise Jul 22 21:46:16 +w Jul 22 21:46:32 Hmm... I wonder if you need to modprobe a RAID driver that would set the hardware to RAID mode, then? Jul 22 21:46:44 well I have everything built in Jul 22 21:46:47 (I don't like modules) Jul 22 21:52:55 hi is fso-abyss > logfile sufficent to get the log? Jul 22 21:58:08 haha Jul 22 21:58:11 opkg just sucks Jul 22 21:58:12 :) Jul 22 21:58:23 it now didn't run any postinst files for some reason Jul 22 21:58:31 it's certainly sucking up my evening Jul 22 21:59:26 opkg upgrade, attempt 3 in progress Jul 22 21:59:37 attempt 1.5 done Jul 22 21:59:39 rebooting Jul 22 21:59:42 and crossing fingers :) Jul 22 21:59:59 i love wikis Jul 22 22:00:16 it seems less futile when you can immediately improve the experience for others Jul 22 22:00:23 my pain is not wasted Jul 22 22:00:49 oh, and I love screen for split screen console to see top and opkg at the same time Jul 22 22:01:09 lol. Jul 22 22:01:15 you just know when it'll break ;) Jul 22 22:01:20 ;) Jul 22 22:01:22 fun fun fun Jul 22 22:01:48 ok Jul 22 22:01:51 found the first bad thing Jul 22 22:01:56 icons died Jul 22 22:01:56 :) Jul 22 22:02:03 for my part I usually not upgrade. under any distribution did it work. never. I flash images. that is th eonly way to get sth stable Jul 22 22:02:03 dos1: here? Jul 22 22:02:10 tasn-hates-isp: therew Jul 22 22:02:12 :D Jul 22 22:02:21 how do I get my icons back? :) Jul 22 22:02:35 dos1: do you know if huawei 3g usb sticks are fso compliant? Jul 22 22:02:35 onen|openBmap: i've flashed the rootfs, but even that is out of date! Jul 22 22:02:45 tim_abell: :-D Jul 22 22:02:53 screen joy: http://imagebin.ca/view/SgFutdsg.html Jul 22 22:03:04 onen|openBmap: i have huawei e160e Jul 22 22:03:18 onen|openBmap: and it works after s/ttyUSB2/ttyUSB1/ ;) Jul 22 22:03:23 dos1: on latest update fsousage doesn't start Jul 22 22:03:25 any idea why? Jul 22 22:03:50 dunno Jul 22 22:03:54 dos1: great. I see here SFR e160 3g keys. but not sure wha tis the manufacturer and modem. probably the same Jul 22 22:04:02 at least i have my LXF for sep 09 to read while I wait Jul 22 22:04:06 :D Jul 22 22:04:31 dos1: but not neighbour cells, right? Jul 22 22:04:39 onen|openBmap: right Jul 22 22:05:08 how do I get the logs of fso-abyss? Jul 22 22:05:18 I need to send a log to mickey Jul 22 22:05:32 fso-abyss 2>&1 > file Jul 22 22:05:35 doesn't work Jul 22 22:05:41 nothing seem to apear on the log Jul 22 22:05:48 onen|openBmap: I can verify Jul 22 22:05:53 I also lost frameworkd Jul 22 22:05:56 Gnutoo: killall -9 ophonekitd; /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop; killall fso-abyss; fso-abyss 2>&1 > file Jul 22 22:05:58 time for a nice cup of tee? Jul 22 22:06:11 and on another session /etc/init.d/frameworkd start Jul 22 22:06:18 and then shr-settings -> start ophonekitd Jul 22 22:06:34 dos1, I'll retry but it seems not to write to the file... Jul 22 22:06:35 * tim_abell wonders if the author gains enjoyment from typing "make tee" Jul 22 22:06:37 tasn-hates-isp: :-D so maybe my installation was good, and only the upgrade is really broken :-) Jul 22 22:06:44 probably Jul 22 22:06:49 though I wonder what could be the cause Jul 22 22:07:57 onen|openBmap: here only frameworkd was broken Jul 22 22:07:59 dos1, maybe it prints only debug thing on the file...I'll retry Jul 22 22:08:01 it seems like opkg just sucks ;\ Jul 22 22:08:15 btw, I'm making it use sqlite instead Jul 22 22:08:15 if tomorrow things are broken, I reflash, enough tinkering, that is not very interesting Jul 22 22:08:50 /W 14 Jul 22 22:08:51 grmbl Jul 22 22:09:06 tasn-hates-isp: I was just waiting for the new version of my app to hit the repo to test that everything was working fine... in the end, nothing works anymore :-D Jul 22 22:09:19 haha. Jul 22 22:09:23 lol Jul 22 22:09:29 dos1: what's the icons package? Jul 22 22:09:48 so this time I am off for good Jul 22 22:09:53 good night everyone Jul 22 22:12:13 sweet connected Jul 22 22:12:21 woo, opkg upgraded Jul 22 22:12:27 finally Jul 22 22:13:05 dos1, thanks I'll see if it works Jul 22 22:15:24 hm.. ok Jul 22 22:15:35 it seems that opkg just doesn't install all the packages Jul 22 22:15:38 mwester: here? Jul 22 22:15:43 yep Jul 22 22:15:53 I was just wondering Jul 22 22:16:01 do you think sqlite3 opkg Jul 22 22:16:07 would preform better or worst on slugos ? Jul 22 22:16:56 wow, I just don't undrestand how this can even happen?! opkg writes errors to stdout :( Jul 22 22:18:14 ok Jul 22 22:18:24 opkg just removed (though marked as installed) Jul 22 22:18:27 all my theme packages Jul 22 22:18:28 lol Jul 22 22:18:44 I've wondered that myself. The argument has always been that using a real DB for ipkg would be inefficient. But from what I've seen of the way opkg manages the in-memory database it builds, I wonder if an embedded DB would really be worse. Jul 22 22:20:26 dos1, thatnks it worked...I was only over-impatient to make it work Jul 22 22:33:22 tasn-hates-isp: /me hates TLA Jul 22 22:33:33 tla = tel aviv? Jul 22 22:33:58 Three Letter Acronyms Jul 22 22:34:03 oh ;) Jul 22 22:34:10 hehe ;] Jul 22 22:34:24 mwester: I'm starting to port it to sqlite3 Jul 22 22:34:27 end ETLA Jul 22 22:34:35 extended tla? Jul 22 22:34:36 Extended TLA Jul 22 22:34:48 XD Jul 22 22:35:08 mwester: as I think that with correct indexes and db design I can make it better, especially since opkg parses text files, bah. Jul 22 22:35:12 And Jul 22 22:35:31 rather than End Jul 22 22:36:00 mwester: actually, from what I have seen, opkg is amazingly inefficient. ;\ I'm waiting for a free weekend to start a more proper rewrite for the whole pkg.c pkg.h files :) as I think the biggeset issues are there. Jul 22 22:36:39 Ainulindale: i'm getting a git error (not with shr) -- error: unable to create temporary sha1 filename ./objects/69: No such file or directory Jul 22 22:37:14 Ainulindale: the only ref i can find that matches using google is a conversation between you and quickdev, nov 16 2008 Jul 22 22:39:46 Ainulindale: do you remember what the problem was or how you fixed it ? Jul 22 22:50:31 mwester: anyhow, I'm going to bed, please pm me and let me know what you think... Jul 22 22:54:46 ffs I also can't close stupid phone as e doesn't have permissions to do so Jul 22 22:54:56 what's the package responsible for that?! Jul 22 22:54:57 night. Jul 22 23:05:46 what the hell? i just rebooted my freerunner, and now it won't come on at all Jul 22 23:07:00 oh, there it goes. wonder what that was all about Jul 22 23:21:12 Hi. e17 on Debian currently wants a password to leave the lock screen, which is obviously hard to do. How does that work on other distros? Jul 22 23:21:35 Is there a slider to move? Or maybe the touchscreen is competely disabled and you have to press a button? Jul 22 23:21:55 lol. on shr the aux button locks and unlocks the screen Jul 22 23:22:10 tim_abell: do you know what applications handles that? Jul 22 23:22:48 nope. i'm just a user for now :) Jul 22 23:22:57 (apologies maddog) Jul 22 23:26:19 lytles: I don't remember at all Jul 22 23:26:39 lytles: I guess you could try git clean and git gc maybe Jul 22 23:27:06 Ainulindale: ok - thanks, i figured it was a long shot Jul 22 23:27:33 well point me to the log maybe I can try to remember :- Jul 22 23:27:34 :-) Jul 22 23:28:00 I have time, I'm resyncing a RAID 5 array Jul 22 23:28:07 ( mwester, software, in the end) Jul 22 23:28:19 (turns out via V-RAID is mostly software anyway, so why bother) Jul 22 23:28:49 /dev/mapper/vg-lvol0 2.8T 202M 2.6T 1% /mnt/data Jul 22 23:28:55 lots of video of my gran Jul 22 23:29:08 (it's not even my RAID anyway) Jul 22 23:30:30 Ainulindale: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/openmoko-cdevel.20081117.txt Jul 22 23:30:42 Ainulindale: search for sha1 Jul 22 23:32:26 lytles: is it on a push? Jul 22 23:32:31 yes Jul 22 23:33:16 Ok our stuff was due to a problem with the server Jul 22 23:33:26 Nothing more Jul 22 23:33:33 cool - thanks Jul 22 23:33:33 I'd suggest Jul 22 23:33:37 git clean Jul 22 23:33:40 git pull Jul 22 23:33:50 (even git clean -d -f after a backup) Jul 22 23:33:52 then git pull Jul 22 23:33:53 then git push **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 23 02:59:57 2009